January 30, 2025

January 30, 2025 | S25:E21

The 700 Club features a distinctive blend of news from a biblical perspective, inspirational interviews and biblical teaching for everyday life.

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The 700 Club | January 30, 2025 | January 30, 2025
  • - [narrator] the following program is sponsored by cbn.
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  • - [gordon] coming up later, a prison guard
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  • Is gunned down in his own home.
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  • - i said, "lord, in the name of jesus, god let bobby live."
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  • - [gordon] six bullets ripped through his body.
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  • - he was bleeding profusely.
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  • - [gordon] see what kept him alive.
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  • - i said, "the lord is bringing him through."
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  • - [gordon] and hear his stunning words
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  • For his attacker, on today's 700 club.
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  • - hatred and bitterness put you in.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - welcome to the 700 club, one of france's
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  • Largest evangelical churches is named after
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  • An american icon, it's also a thriving community center.
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  • - anyway, you look at it, the martin luther king church
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  • Is a foretaste of heaven.
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  • George thomas traveled to paris to see firsthand
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  • How this church is changing one of europe's most
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  • Famous cities.
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  • - [george] in a communist, socialist
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  • And conservative suburb of paris.
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  • A song of reconciliation and unity is rising.
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  • And with it a message that's attracting people
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  • From diverse backgrounds.
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  • - i don't have to build a church, i have to build a place
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  • Where people will be love, will be changed by
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  • The holy spirit and by the power of god.
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  • - i have a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia,
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  • The sons of former slaves and the sons of former
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  • Slave owners will they be able to sit down together
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  • At the table of brotherhood, i have a dream.
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  • - french pastor ivan carluer founded
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  • Martin luther king church here in paris's
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  • Creteil neighborhood after drawing inspiration
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  • From the civil rights leaders message of unconditional love.
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  • - loving people as they are and don't try to make them
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  • Look like you are, but just love them and introduce them
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  • To a god will change them.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - every ballet shall be exalted.
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  • - [george] like martin luther king carluer says,
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  • He too had a dream to create a space where blacks,
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  • Whites and people of other racial backgrounds
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  • Could come together and reflect the diversity of paris.
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  • - when god asked me to ministry, he asked me to be
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  • A minister in paris area.
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  • So when i came, i realized that more than 50%
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  • Of the kids in paris area or have an african dad or mother,
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  • So more than 50% of the newborn babies are mixed
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  • And i love it.
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  • - [george] carluer dream is now a reality.
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  • - we have now like 20% all black, 10%, all white,
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  • 10% asian and 60% cannot be defined,
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  • Jesus color.
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  • - ♪ we are the children. ♪
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  • - [george] and that message of love shared
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  • Across racial lines has been a unifying force
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  • For positive change.
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  • - this is what i think is the most touching
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  • And most extraordinary aspect of this church,
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  • Everyone is mixed, all cultures are represented.
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  • - i've been here since the church first launched
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  • And to see how much it's grown is amazing,
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  • The work is enormous and it's a blessing to many people.
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  • - [george] mlk is now one of the country's
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  • Largest evangelical churches prompting french newspaper
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  • Le monde to call ivan carluer, a rising figure
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  • In france's protestant movement.
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  • Mlk, which is about seven miles southeast of paris,
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  • Is rather remarkable for its size.
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  • You see in all of france there are about 2,500 evangelical
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  • Churches and the average church has about 100 people.
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  • Mlk went from 20, 17 years ago to over 3000 people today.
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  • (speaking in foreign language)
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  • - [george] during a recent weekend service
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  • 76 people from different walks of life
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  • And racial backgrounds professed faith in jesus christ
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  • In water baptism.
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  • - and we haven't seen so many people coming to jesus
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  • Like now god is moving in france, like never.
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  • - [george] evangelicals make up just 2% of the population
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  • Here and their numbers are growing.
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  • A recent report found evangelicals becoming
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  • A majority within the french protestant movement,
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  • Carluer says the pandemic led to even greater numbers,
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  • As new people flocked to the churches online services.
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  • - we already reach more than 30 to 40,000 every week.
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  • And when you look at google analytics, we see what is
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  • Very good that a lot of non-believer are watching.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - because of the growth.
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  • Carluer says the church needed a bigger place to meet.
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  • So in september, 2021, the new martin luther king space
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  • Opened here in the southeastern suburbs of paris
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  • At a cost of $30 million.
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  • A foundation operates it as part church,
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  • Part community center, and because of its
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  • Community influence, pastor carluer says
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  • Local government authorities were all too happy
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  • To chip in more than $3 million toward the building's fund.
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  • - that's why we can have money from to stay the government,
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  • The county, et cetera.
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  • They all give to the foundation, the foundation is the
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  • Owner of the building and the church rent the building.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - church services are held saturday and sunday
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  • In the building's 1000 seat auditorium,
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  • The rest of the week it's open to the community for rent.
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  • Companies have held fashion shows,
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  • Car shows and music concerts.
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  • Members of other religious groups have also held
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  • Their events here, carluer sees it as a model for people
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  • Not typically drawn to a church building per se,
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  • To be introduced to the gospel.
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  • - my goal for me is i want jewish, muslim, atheist,
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  • Political, artists, all of them, they all need to be loved
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  • By god.
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  • To be transformed by your holy spirit and to become a loving
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  • Of each other like martin luther king did.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - [george] in spite of its staunchly secular traditions,
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  • Pastor carluer says god is on the move in france
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  • And takes heart in what he's doing in churches like mlk.
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  • - so now it's really a foretaste of heaven.
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  • - [george] george thomas, cbn news paris.
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  • - i love it, i love what he said.
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  • We 20% black, 10% white, 10% asia
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  • And 60% the color of jesus, a foretaste of heaven.
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  • When you read the book of revelation,
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  • You see it all languages, all tribes, all tongues.
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  • Everyone coming together singing is one a new song
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  • To the lamb.
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  • We'll be right back with more the 700 club after this.
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  • - [female speaker] when i was a young girl,
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  • I went to fetch water for my mother, the weight of the water
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  • Made my neck hurt so bad, i just poured the water out
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  • And went home with an empty container.
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  • The stream is very far and i go four times a day,
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  • I get home exhausted.
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  • I feel terrible drinking that water and giving it
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  • To my family.
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  • We often get intense stomach aches and vomit.
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  • When my son was three, he got very sick from the water.
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  • Thank you (indistinct) blessing for giving us a new life.
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  • When you came, we were all so grateful
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  • We could not hold back our joy, i've never had this kind
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  • Of water before.
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  • Every time i drink it, i feel good and healthy.
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  • With the well so close, even my daughter can easily
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  • Fetch water.
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  • We are healthy and we are happy.
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  • Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  • - you considered yourself an atheist.
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  • - yeah.
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  • - what did you specifically have against christianity?
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  • - my dad was a former music minister.
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  • You know, i saw a lot of hurt in that church.
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  • - in 2015, walker lost his record deal
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  • And had their family van repossessed by the label,
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  • That's when craig decided to give their family van
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  • To walker.
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  • - their unconditional love, it was so different
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  • From what we were used to.
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  • I went and got a bible and just started reading and reading
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  • And reading.
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  • - it was amazing to watch the transformation and the,
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  • Just the power of the holy spirit.
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  • - walker had given his life to christ and couldn't wait
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  • To share the news with craig.
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  • - i said, i believe.
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  • - are you telling me that you believe that jesus is the
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  • Son of god and that you wanna live your life for him?
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  • And he said, that's exactly what i'm saying.
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  • - well, zachary levi is well known for his roles in shazam,
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  • American underdog and the marvelous mrs. maisel.
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  • Now he's using his fame as a platform to tell his
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  • Personal story and to shed light on the issue
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  • Of mental health.
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  • The actor sat down with efrem graham to talk about his
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  • Childhood trauma, his healing, and how it all led
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  • To the role of a lifetime.
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  • - shazam.
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  • - [efrem] from superhero.
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  • - i don't know where we go from here, i don't know
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  • What comes next, but this, we did this.
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  • - [efrem] to super bowl champ.
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  • - yeah, yeah, man, i know who you are, i'm kurt.
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  • - [efrem] zachary levi lands larger than life
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  • Acting roles quite regularly.
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  • How would you describe the childhood
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  • Or the life of zachary levi pugh?
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  • - how much time do you got?
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  • I mean, i think like most kids in the moment
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  • When i was a kid, it was normal.
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  • There wasn't anything, you know particularly traumatic
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  • Or that i could point to and say like,
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  • "oh, i'm living a traumatized life."
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  • You don't realize that until far later in life, hopefully.
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  • A lot of people don't ever realize that.
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  • Looking back on it, i can assure you an incredibly
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  • Traumatizing childhood.
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  • There was just lots and lots of unhealthy toxic behavior
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  • That was going on.
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  • Again, i could tell you that there were things
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  • That were making me cry on a regular basis or things
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  • That i was afraid of on a regular basis,
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  • But i didn't necessarily see those as being anything
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  • Other than, well, i guess this is normal.
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  • I guess this is what other kids probably deal with as well,
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  • You know, so that would be, you know a snapshot
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  • Into my life, i suppose.
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  • - what do you think childhood for you did to your adulthood?
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  • - young zach was this, i don't know, little boy kind of just
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  • Lost in a sea of estrogen between my sisters,
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  • My mom, my aunts, my grandma.
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  • But fortunately and this is the grace of god,
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  • Not just the grace of god, but the plans of god.
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  • I figured out very early on in life, probably around four,
  • 00:13:05.994 --> 00:13:09.964
  • Was when i was first truly cognizant of the idea
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  • That i could make someone laugh intentionally
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  • Before that every kid makes people laugh accidentally,
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  • You don't know why?
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  • Around four i think i was finally smart enough to go,
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  • Oh, i can do this thing.
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  • I can do x or y and that will make somebody laugh.
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  • And i also knew, 'cause i think at four you're emotionally
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  • Intelligent enough to know that a laughing,
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  • Smiling person feels good and i never ever wanted
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  • To stop doing that.
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  • I was immediately called to, addicted to not realizing also
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  • That because i was lost in this world
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  • And trying to find identity and worth and value
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  • And all that jazz, i was both, you know fulfilling a calling
  • 00:13:45.166 --> 00:13:50.238
  • I think in my life, but also figuring out very quickly
  • 00:13:51.572 --> 00:13:54.876
  • How to run away from metabolizing my pain.
  • 00:13:54.876 --> 00:13:57.745
  • Figuring out how to be the clown, be the guy,
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  • Bring the happy, bring the joy.
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  • You don't wanna have a tape in here.
  • 00:14:02.350 --> 00:14:04.519
  • - but it's digital.
  • 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:06.321
  • - [efrem] being a quick study earned levi,
  • 00:14:06.321 --> 00:14:08.456
  • A starring role early and an escape from real life.
  • 00:14:08.456 --> 00:14:12.527
  • Abuse a mom with mental struggles and an absent father.
  • 00:14:12.527 --> 00:14:16.764
  • - i was running from pain my whole life,
  • 00:14:16.764 --> 00:14:18.399
  • I was running from pain.
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  • I'm grateful that i was able to find what i loved to do
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  • And what i was good at doing at such a young age,
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  • Because i think a lot of people don't,
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  • Even though that was also something that was,
  • 00:14:29.811 --> 00:14:32.413
  • I think, you know insulating me from doing a lot of the work
  • 00:14:32.413 --> 00:14:35.783
  • That i needed to do, that eventually led me to having
  • 00:14:35.783 --> 00:14:37.852
  • A massive breakdown later on in life.
  • 00:14:37.852 --> 00:14:39.988
  • - [efrem] he shares his story with us
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  • And even more in his memoir, radical love,
  • 00:14:41.889 --> 00:14:45.326
  • Learning to accept yourself and others.
  • 00:14:45.326 --> 00:14:48.730
  • - you talk about going from suicidal to superhero.
  • 00:14:48.730 --> 00:14:53.801
  • - mm-mm.
  • 00:14:54.202 --> 00:14:55.103
  • - and then suicidal again.
  • 00:14:55.103 --> 00:14:56.004
  • - mm-mm, mm-mm.
  • 00:14:56.004 --> 00:14:58.039
  • - take me back to the rock bottom moment, what happened?
  • 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.309
  • - i felt like i was failing ultimately.
  • 00:15:01.309 --> 00:15:03.077
  • - mm. - like most of my life,
  • 00:15:03.077 --> 00:15:05.146
  • I've felt like a failure even though i,
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  • Even though from the outside it looks like
  • 00:15:06.614 --> 00:15:08.116
  • I'm very much succeeding, but i'm not succeeding
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  • On the level that i feel like i'm supposed to
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  • Or that i was called to.
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  • ♪ she's a little artsy. ♪
  • 00:15:14.222 --> 00:15:16.958
  • - [efrem] with music.
  • 00:15:16.958 --> 00:15:18.326
  • Broadway, the big and small screens on his resume,
  • 00:15:18.326 --> 00:15:22.797
  • He left hollywood
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  • - with a head full of steam and dreams.
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  • I moved out to austin and i didn't know anyone out there
  • 00:15:27.402 --> 00:15:29.137
  • And all of a sudden after 15 years of living in los angeles
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  • And having community and support structure and all of those
  • 00:15:32.006 --> 00:15:34.742
  • Things, i was now, you know geronimo, let's go.
  • 00:15:34.742 --> 00:15:39.981
  • Oh, wait a minute now i'm alone.
  • 00:15:40.782 --> 00:15:42.316
  • Oh, wait a minute, this isn't happening the way that i felt
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  • Like god was calling me out here to do this
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  • And why aren't the doors opening?
  • 00:15:47.121 --> 00:15:49.490
  • Oh my gosh, i have blown up my life.
  • 00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:53.528
  • I have now entirely failed my life, there is no coming back
  • 00:15:53.528 --> 00:15:57.231
  • From this failure or i would say if suicide is a,
  • 00:15:57.231 --> 00:16:00.968
  • You know climbing a 10 rung ladder.
  • 00:16:00.968 --> 00:16:03.471
  • I was at rung nine and thankfully i have family and friends
  • 00:16:03.471 --> 00:16:08.543
  • That surrounded me, supported me, were there for me
  • 00:16:09.811 --> 00:16:11.546
  • And just enough for me to get up and go to therapy,
  • 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:16.451
  • This lifesaving therapy.
  • 00:16:16.451 --> 00:16:18.019
  • But you know it was a perfect storm but it was 37 years
  • 00:16:18.019 --> 00:16:21.989
  • Of lots and lots and lots and lots of trauma.
  • 00:16:21.989 --> 00:16:25.393
  • Unhealed trauma, a real testament of how i think,
  • 00:16:25.393 --> 00:16:29.997
  • You know god works and what we ought to prioritize.
  • 00:16:29.997 --> 00:16:35.136
  • I was not prioritizing the most important thing,
  • 00:16:36.370 --> 00:16:39.941
  • Which was to actually invest in myself
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  • And to care for myself and love myself,
  • 00:16:42.944 --> 00:16:44.912
  • 'cause i didn't understand that.
  • 00:16:44.912 --> 00:16:46.547
  • So to go away and do this therapy finally and really figure
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  • Out, oh my gosh, i haven't loved myself my entire life,
  • 00:16:49.984 --> 00:16:52.153
  • I've never even understood what that meant.
  • 00:16:52.153 --> 00:16:54.322
  • And also, oh, this feeling that i feel inside
  • 00:16:54.322 --> 00:16:56.224
  • That i felt my whole life, that's anxiety.
  • 00:16:56.224 --> 00:16:58.059
  • Oh, i'm glad i finally know what anxiety is.
  • 00:16:58.059 --> 00:17:00.361
  • - [efrem] therapy began his healing,
  • 00:17:00.361 --> 00:17:02.697
  • A rebirth of his faith and the role of a lifetime.
  • 00:17:02.697 --> 00:17:06.868
  • - say my name.
  • 00:17:06.868 --> 00:17:08.236
  • Shazam literally happened while i was still like
  • 00:17:08.236 --> 00:17:10.905
  • Finishing up my therapy, but only you know because god
  • 00:17:10.905 --> 00:17:13.541
  • Was like, good, now you've done the thing.
  • 00:17:13.541 --> 00:17:15.943
  • Now i can give you the blessing,
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  • You would've self-destructed had i given you this blessing
  • 00:17:17.445 --> 00:17:19.547
  • Before you did the work and that's the work.
  • 00:17:19.547 --> 00:17:21.983
  • - how does it feel sitting here now knowing,
  • 00:17:21.983 --> 00:17:23.384
  • I think at one point i'm reading that you felt
  • 00:17:23.384 --> 00:17:25.887
  • You lost god and he was gone.
  • 00:17:25.887 --> 00:17:27.655
  • - oh man and i was driving around in austin recently
  • 00:17:27.655 --> 00:17:31.025
  • Driving up this road that was kind of near the house
  • 00:17:31.025 --> 00:17:34.562
  • That i was staying in when i was having this breakdown
  • 00:17:34.562 --> 00:17:37.298
  • And this cilantro restaurant where i was
  • 00:17:37.298 --> 00:17:39.367
  • Having this breakdown and i was driving by it
  • 00:17:39.367 --> 00:17:43.070
  • And it just all flooded back.
  • 00:17:43.070 --> 00:17:44.772
  • I was like, oh wow.
  • 00:17:44.772 --> 00:17:45.973
  • Like i remember being right here and thinking
  • 00:17:47.108 --> 00:17:49.777
  • There is no hope and there's no way i'm moving beyond this,
  • 00:17:49.777 --> 00:17:52.847
  • There is no way i'm going to live beyond this month.
  • 00:17:52.847 --> 00:17:55.683
  • And i was very much alive and i was very much
  • 00:17:56.884 --> 00:18:00.988
  • Living my dreams as i was now driving by the same road
  • 00:18:00.988 --> 00:18:04.892
  • And i was so grateful, oh man, so grateful that i didn't
  • 00:18:04.892 --> 00:18:09.263
  • Do something so stupid and so drastic
  • 00:18:09.263 --> 00:18:11.432
  • And that i get to sit here and talk about this book
  • 00:18:12.667 --> 00:18:16.370
  • That hopefully, hopefully if nothing else helps
  • 00:18:16.370 --> 00:18:19.373
  • At least one person walk through the flames that i was
  • 00:18:19.373 --> 00:18:23.578
  • Able to get through.
  • 00:18:23.578 --> 00:18:25.313
  • - [efrem] efrem graham, cbn news, washington dc.
  • 00:18:25.313 --> 00:18:27.815
  • - what an incredible story and incredible journey
  • 00:18:29.050 --> 00:18:31.886
  • And i'm glad he made it through and made it through
  • 00:18:31.886 --> 00:18:34.689
  • To help others.
  • 00:18:34.689 --> 00:18:36.157
  • If you had trauma in your childhood, if you had trauma
  • 00:18:36.157 --> 00:18:40.528
  • Any time in your life and you're wondering, what do i do?
  • 00:18:40.528 --> 00:18:43.764
  • Where do i go?
  • 00:18:43.764 --> 00:18:45.399
  • I encourage you to get his book, it's called radical love.
  • 00:18:45.399 --> 00:18:49.070
  • You find it wherever books are sold
  • 00:18:49.070 --> 00:18:51.772
  • And hopefully his journey can help you on your journey.
  • 00:18:51.772 --> 00:18:55.376
  • Terry?
  • 00:18:55.376 --> 00:18:57.011
  • - well, up next wounds to his chest, abdomen,
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:18:59.981 --> 00:19:00.915
  • Liver and lungs.
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  • This wife was told repeatedly there was no hope
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  • For her husband's survival.
  • 00:19:04.051 --> 00:19:06.020
  • Hear how she battled for his life in prayer
  • 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:08.956
  • And see the series of miracles that saved him.
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  • Plus we're gonna be praying for you, so stay with us,
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:20.835
  • - [male speaker two] melissa and her husband rick
  • 00:19:20.835 --> 00:19:21.769
  • Have come a long way from when they met,
  • 00:19:22.837 --> 00:19:24.405
  • Melissa was in real estate.
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  • Rick had been living on credit cards trying to start
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  • A number of businesses and was $80,000 in debt.
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  • All the while the (indistinct) were tithing
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  • And the newly married couples started working their
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  • Way out of the red.
  • 00:19:36.250 --> 00:19:37.652
  • - i think i had bought into society saying,
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  • Here's what you should have.
  • 00:19:41.022 --> 00:19:42.390
  • I simply asked god, "do i have money before you?"
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  • I asked god to forgive me instantly.
  • 00:19:45.726 --> 00:19:48.696
  • I told god whether i make a lot of money or not,
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  • I'm done striving.
  • 00:19:52.767 --> 00:19:53.868
  • - [male speaker two] today rick and melissa have
  • 00:19:55.136 --> 00:19:57.004
  • Three children and choose to live way below their means
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  • So they can help the poor.
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  • They've already built 13 orphanages and a freedom house
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  • In india.
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  • - what i loved about operation blessing is that
  • 00:20:05.780 --> 00:20:07.815
  • We were really able to see the fruit of that gift.
  • 00:20:07.815 --> 00:20:11.018
  • - now i have the hunger to make more money,
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  • So we truly can give to all of these places.
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  • 'cause there's a lot of need out there.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - [narrator] life it's meant to be lived fully.
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  • Jesus said it, "i came to give you life."
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  • Life to the fullest.
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  • Life in your family.
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  • Life in your body mind and spirit.
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  • Life in your every day.
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  • At cbn.com we're taking what jesus said, seriously.
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  • Were here to help you discover life.
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  • Life live it fully, cbn.com.
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  • - it was alarming how much i was vomiting.
  • 00:21:20.221 --> 00:21:22.423
  • - it was a condition called acute tubular necrosis.
  • 00:21:22.423 --> 00:21:25.159
  • - they kept saying septic, septic, i think she's getting
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  • Septic.
  • 00:21:27.361 --> 00:21:28.863
  • - they sent this lady in to prepare us for a lifetime
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  • Of dialysis and this medicine was going to destroy
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  • Every dream my girl could possibly have.
  • 00:21:34.702 --> 00:21:36.904
  • - thousands and thousands, literally around the world
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  • Were praying for.
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  • - her mom runs out into the hallway and she's like,
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  • He just told me he canceled your surgery.
  • 00:21:44.378 --> 00:21:47.248
  • He was like, your kidney biopsy came back completely clean.
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  • I stood up on my hospital bed with my iv bag
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  • Just we were hugging and screaming, it was like
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  • Just the biggest celebration.
  • 00:21:56.056 --> 00:21:58.659
  • - i know there were a lot of people praying for her,
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  • I think those prayers were answered.
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  • - hi, yay.
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  • - i'm beyond thankful that i have been singing nonstop.
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  • Prayers work, they work.
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  • Ask people to pray for you and like really believe,
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  • Really believe that anything is possible.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - giving to the 700 club is giving to the world,
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  • 700 club are my feet, they're walking it there,
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  • All i'm doing is helping write the check.
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  • - it's just like planting a seed in the ground
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  • And the water comes and the sun hits it and it grows.
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  • - you can trust cbn, they're gonna take your money
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  • And invest it wisely.
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  • - you are saving souls through your giving.
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  • - captain contraband, how prison guard robert johnson
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  • Was known behind bars.
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  • He and his team seized drugs, guns, knives and cell phones
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  • That were smuggled into the prison.
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  • The job put a big target on robert's back
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  • And a hit on his life.
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  • (ominous ambient music)
  • 00:23:10.331 --> 00:23:15.236
  • - [female speaker] it was an early morning in march, 2010.
  • 00:23:16.604 --> 00:23:20.140
  • Mary johnson heard gunshots, she frantically ran through
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  • The house looking for her husband robert.
  • 00:23:24.211 --> 00:23:27.114
  • - i kept praying, let him live, let him be alive.
  • 00:23:27.114 --> 00:23:30.184
  • - [female speaker] she found him on the bathroom floor.
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  • He had been shot six times by a man who broke into
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  • Their home.
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  • - i grabbed the towel and i pressed it against his chest,
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  • 'cause he was bleeding profusely.
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  • - [female speaker] doctors at a nearby hospital
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  • Couldn't stop the bleeding and robert was life flighted to
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  • Richland memorial hospital in columbia, south carolina.
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  • When mary arrived, robert was in surgery where doctors tried
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  • To repair the wound to his chest, abdomen, liver and lungs.
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  • A chaplain was sent to talk to mary
  • 00:24:06.487 --> 00:24:08.255
  • About robert's condition.
  • 00:24:08.255 --> 00:24:10.357
  • - he said, "well the doctor want me to let you know
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  • That he wasn't gonna make it, they can't get a handle
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  • On the bleeding from the liver."
  • 00:24:16.931 --> 00:24:19.033
  • So i yell, "god will get a handle on the bleeding."
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  • And i walked off.
  • 00:24:22.503 --> 00:24:24.071
  • - [female speaker] moments later the lead surgeon
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  • Came out and told her the same thing,
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  • He allowed mary to come into the operating room
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  • To say goodbye.
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  • - and the doctor took me around to the head and said,
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  • "kiss him."
  • 00:24:36.216 --> 00:24:37.451
  • So i grabbed his head and i kissed him.
  • 00:24:37.451 --> 00:24:38.953
  • He was swollen beyond recognition and i said,
  • 00:24:38.953 --> 00:24:41.288
  • "lord, in the name of jesus, god let bobby live."
  • 00:24:41.288 --> 00:24:44.592
  • - when mary left the or, she began calling family
  • 00:24:44.592 --> 00:24:47.595
  • And church friends to pray.
  • 00:24:47.595 --> 00:24:49.697
  • - how about two hours or so later, the doctor came out,
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  • The head surgeon came out smiling and he hugged me.
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  • In that time i knew things had turned around
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  • And i said, "god did it, god did it." and he kept smiling
  • 00:24:58.138 --> 00:25:03.010
  • - [female speaker] while doctors had stopped the bleeding,
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  • They still didn't expect robert to live much more
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  • Than two weeks.
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  • If he did, he'd lost so much blood,
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  • He would likely have permanent brain damage.
  • 00:25:11.852 --> 00:25:14.955
  • - one male nurse came back a week later
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  • And he's like, "oh, he's still here." and i got upset.
  • 00:25:17.324 --> 00:25:21.295
  • I'm like, "what do you mean he's still here?"
  • 00:25:21.295 --> 00:25:23.497
  • I said, "the lord is bringing him through."
  • 00:25:23.497 --> 00:25:26.000
  • - [female speaker] with robert in a medically induced coma
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  • To minimize brain swelling.
  • 00:25:28.469 --> 00:25:30.537
  • Mary prayed by her husband's bedside every day.
  • 00:25:30.537 --> 00:25:34.508
  • - i would go with his whole body and said,
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  • "lord, let everything work and be heal in his body."
  • 00:25:35.976 --> 00:25:38.445
  • - [female speaker] two weeks came and went,
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  • Robert was still alive and in a coma and mary
  • 00:25:41.348 --> 00:25:43.417
  • And a multitude of people were still praying.
  • 00:25:43.417 --> 00:25:46.987
  • Week three would bring more bad news, robert's heart
  • 00:25:46.987 --> 00:25:50.824
  • Developed afib, where chaotic heart signals
  • 00:25:50.824 --> 00:25:54.261
  • Cause a rapid erratic heartbeat.
  • 00:25:54.261 --> 00:25:57.197
  • In addition, blood clots had formed in robert's leg
  • 00:25:57.197 --> 00:26:01.235
  • And his lungs were collecting fluid, he was back
  • 00:26:01.235 --> 00:26:04.538
  • In surgery again.
  • 00:26:04.538 --> 00:26:06.273
  • - they told me and my son said, "he could die on the table."
  • 00:26:07.641 --> 00:26:11.111
  • You know that really scared me.
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  • I said, "lord."
  • 00:26:12.713 --> 00:26:13.881
  • I said, "no, he's not gonna die."
  • 00:26:13.881 --> 00:26:16.016
  • I said, "you brought him this far, he's gonna live."
  • 00:26:16.016 --> 00:26:18.285
  • I trust god.
  • 00:26:18.285 --> 00:26:19.753
  • I said, "i trust you lord, i trust you."
  • 00:26:19.753 --> 00:26:21.388
  • - [female speaker] again, robert pulled through,
  • 00:26:21.388 --> 00:26:24.425
  • But doctors still warned mary that his prognosis was poor.
  • 00:26:24.425 --> 00:26:28.228
  • - and he was just weak and you know, like they thought
  • 00:26:28.228 --> 00:26:30.597
  • He was gonna die.
  • 00:26:30.597 --> 00:26:31.699
  • Things were going through my mind,
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  • "lord, why does this happen?"
  • 00:26:32.633 --> 00:26:34.802
  • Started crying, said he didn't deserve this.
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  • I said, is this working together for our good?
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  • Lord you said in everything give thanks.
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  • So i just started praising him, i just thank the lord.
  • 00:26:41.709 --> 00:26:45.012
  • I said, "lord, no matter what it looks like,
  • 00:26:45.012 --> 00:26:46.947
  • I give you the honor, the glory and the praise
  • 00:26:46.947 --> 00:26:48.615
  • And i thank you."
  • 00:26:48.615 --> 00:26:50.117
  • - [female speaker] after more than a month of surgeries,
  • 00:26:50.117 --> 00:26:53.120
  • Doctors had fixed everything they could, but robert wasn't
  • 00:26:53.120 --> 00:26:56.056
  • Coming out of the coma.
  • 00:26:56.056 --> 00:26:57.925
  • They asked mary to try to a rouse him.
  • 00:26:57.925 --> 00:27:00.994
  • For days, she and her son kenneth tried
  • 00:27:00.994 --> 00:27:03.697
  • With no success until one day.
  • 00:27:03.697 --> 00:27:07.267
  • - kenneth was on one side, i was on the other side
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  • And i was calling him bobby, bobby wake up.
  • 00:27:09.636 --> 00:27:13.941
  • He said, "daddy." his eyes popped open.
  • 00:27:13.941 --> 00:27:18.645
  • We grabbed hands and he just pulled up close to us
  • 00:27:18.645 --> 00:27:21.448
  • Like that.
  • 00:27:21.448 --> 00:27:22.816
  • And of course tears came, you know from us.
  • 00:27:22.816 --> 00:27:26.019
  • - robert would spend many weeks in rehab
  • 00:27:26.019 --> 00:27:28.388
  • Regaining his physical strength and ability to talk.
  • 00:27:28.388 --> 00:27:32.159
  • - it was a slow process i would say.
  • 00:27:32.159 --> 00:27:34.428
  • He would talk some and then it just came back like natural,
  • 00:27:34.428 --> 00:27:38.031
  • His mind was coming together more.
  • 00:27:38.031 --> 00:27:40.801
  • - as robert regained his memory, he realized there were
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  • Some things doctors couldn't fix.
  • 00:27:44.171 --> 00:27:46.840
  • Robert worked as a prison guard captain at
  • 00:27:46.840 --> 00:27:49.376
  • Lee correctional institute.
  • 00:27:49.376 --> 00:27:51.612
  • He and his team seized contraband, the illegal drugs, guns,
  • 00:27:51.612 --> 00:27:56.517
  • Knives and cell phones smuggled inside the prison.
  • 00:27:56.517 --> 00:28:00.354
  • He had made some enemies and they wanted him dead.
  • 00:28:00.354 --> 00:28:04.625
  • Ex-con sean eccles had been sent to do the job
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  • Even though eccles was convicted and sentenced to prison,
  • 00:28:08.729 --> 00:28:12.466
  • Robert struggled with anger.
  • 00:28:12.466 --> 00:28:15.102
  • - 'cause i was thinking, they said, these guys,
  • 00:28:15.102 --> 00:28:17.938
  • They hunted me down.
  • 00:28:17.938 --> 00:28:19.439
  • They tried to kill me and my wife and bitterness
  • 00:28:19.439 --> 00:28:21.642
  • Was starting to build.
  • 00:28:21.642 --> 00:28:23.644
  • One morning about three in the morning, sounded like someone
  • 00:28:23.644 --> 00:28:26.346
  • Was speaking to me and it said, "forgive."
  • 00:28:26.346 --> 00:28:29.249
  • 'cause i couldn't let this root of bitterness grow up in me.
  • 00:28:29.249 --> 00:28:32.886
  • It just, it's a great freedom.
  • 00:28:32.886 --> 00:28:34.688
  • Hatred and bitterness put you in.
  • 00:28:34.688 --> 00:28:37.124
  • - [female speaker] after three months in the hospital,
  • 00:28:37.124 --> 00:28:38.859
  • Robert went home where he continued his recovery.
  • 00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:42.563
  • Although he still has pain and sometimes walks with a cane,
  • 00:28:42.563 --> 00:28:46.066
  • He's grateful for every day.
  • 00:28:46.066 --> 00:28:48.335
  • - i take each day as precious, it's a precious time to me.
  • 00:28:49.736 --> 00:28:53.207
  • - [female speaker] today he's a pastor,
  • 00:28:53.207 --> 00:28:55.509
  • Author and public speaker.
  • 00:28:55.509 --> 00:28:56.944
  • Telling other victims of violent crime about the power
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  • Of prayer and the loving god who saved his life.
  • 00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:04.218
  • - do not give up, when those doctors were ready to
  • 00:29:04.218 --> 00:29:08.055
  • Give up on me, my wife did not give up, she trusted god.
  • 00:29:08.055 --> 00:29:12.759
  • - it is taught me that god is there.
  • 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.896
  • Don't ever doubt, no matter what happens, god is the
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  • Only hope that anyone could ever have.
  • 00:29:18.665 --> 00:29:21.735
  • - prayer is powerful, it's not over till he says it's over.
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  • - do not give up, prayer is power.
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  • We believe that as well and that's why we set aside time
  • 00:29:31.678 --> 00:29:35.716
  • During our program to pray for you.
  • 00:29:35.716 --> 00:29:38.018
  • We know that many of you are struggling with things
  • 00:29:38.018 --> 00:29:40.153
  • That just like robert and mary's situation,
  • 00:29:40.153 --> 00:29:42.389
  • You know they might look impossible.
  • 00:29:42.389 --> 00:29:43.957
  • There might even be people like some of the
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  • Medical people in this scenario that are telling you
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  • It's not gonna work out.
  • 00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:50.864
  • It might be financial people telling you you're never
  • 00:29:50.864 --> 00:29:53.667
  • Gonna get out of this hole that's been dug.
  • 00:29:54.835 --> 00:29:56.670
  • Listen, it can be many, many things.
  • 00:29:56.670 --> 00:29:58.071
  • Maybe it's an addiction you struggle with yourself,
  • 00:29:58.071 --> 00:29:59.973
  • Always, always there is hope and always god is there
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  • And he is the one who has the power to touch
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  • And to change and to make a difference in your lives.
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  • So we wanna pray to that end with you today,
  • 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.955
  • Joining with you asking god to do the impossible
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  • For you in your circumstance.
  • 00:30:17.925 --> 00:30:19.960
  • This is tammy who lives in high point, north carolina,
  • 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.763
  • Gordon.
  • 00:30:22.763 --> 00:30:24.264
  • She started having significant pain in her right shoulder,
  • 00:30:24.264 --> 00:30:27.100
  • She was watching this program and she heard you say
  • 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:29.169
  • Someone else has a frozen shoulder and you're saying,
  • 00:30:29.169 --> 00:30:31.538
  • "please say that."
  • 00:30:31.538 --> 00:30:32.873
  • So i'm saying frozen shoulder is just for you,
  • 00:30:32.873 --> 00:30:35.509
  • It's your right shoulder.
  • 00:30:35.509 --> 00:30:36.777
  • Do what you could not do before, lift your arm up
  • 00:30:36.777 --> 00:30:39.246
  • And realize the pain is gone now.
  • 00:30:39.246 --> 00:30:42.616
  • Without hesitation, tammy claimed it, she raised her arms
  • 00:30:42.616 --> 00:30:46.386
  • And tammy was instantly healed.
  • 00:30:46.386 --> 00:30:48.555
  • - thanks god, here's margaret from sarasota, florida.
  • 00:30:48.555 --> 00:30:52.059
  • She began seeing double, one day she turned on the tv
  • 00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:55.829
  • And terry was praying.
  • 00:30:55.829 --> 00:30:57.564
  • Someone you have an eye condition, it's something to do with
  • 00:30:57.564 --> 00:31:00.434
  • The muscles of your eye, not having enough tension in them
  • 00:31:00.434 --> 00:31:04.771
  • And it is affecting your vision.
  • 00:31:04.771 --> 00:31:07.341
  • God is correcting that for you right now,
  • 00:31:07.341 --> 00:31:10.310
  • Your eyesight will be perfect.
  • 00:31:10.310 --> 00:31:13.547
  • Well by faith, margaret agreed with terry.
  • 00:31:13.547 --> 00:31:16.450
  • Immediately the double vision was gone, her sight was clear.
  • 00:31:16.450 --> 00:31:21.521
  • Believe in god that's the fundamental message,
  • 00:31:22.656 --> 00:31:25.993
  • Believe in god.
  • 00:31:25.993 --> 00:31:27.427
  • That's what jesus taught in matthew chapter 11,
  • 00:31:27.427 --> 00:31:30.063
  • "if you want to see miracles, have faith in god."
  • 00:31:30.063 --> 00:31:34.868
  • Don't have faith in your prayer, don't have faith
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  • In other things.
  • 00:31:37.604 --> 00:31:39.139
  • Don't have faith in how much you've read the bible
  • 00:31:39.139 --> 00:31:41.575
  • Or how much you haven't read the bible.
  • 00:31:41.575 --> 00:31:43.443
  • Have faith in god, believe in him.
  • 00:31:43.443 --> 00:31:47.347
  • Believe in his power.
  • 00:31:47.347 --> 00:31:49.049
  • Believe he sent jesus.
  • 00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:51.084
  • Believe that jesus is the messiah.
  • 00:31:51.084 --> 00:31:53.720
  • Believe that by his blood you are forgiven,
  • 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.525
  • You are set free from all unrighteousness
  • 00:31:58.525 --> 00:32:02.162
  • And by his stripes you are healed.
  • 00:32:02.162 --> 00:32:06.767
  • Believe that you can rest in it, it's secure.
  • 00:32:06.767 --> 00:32:11.838
  • It's set for all time, for all eternity, it's set.
  • 00:32:13.073 --> 00:32:17.044
  • Jesus said it's finished and when he said that, he meant it.
  • 00:32:17.044 --> 00:32:22.115
  • All we have to do is to walk into the finished work
  • 00:32:23.350 --> 00:32:26.319
  • Of the cross.
  • 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.821
  • When you have that faith, you leave your symptoms behind,
  • 00:32:27.821 --> 00:32:31.024
  • You leave the reports behind.
  • 00:32:31.024 --> 00:32:33.226
  • You leave any thought that you're righteous enough
  • 00:32:33.226 --> 00:32:35.662
  • To enter into his presence, he is the one who
  • 00:32:35.662 --> 00:32:39.266
  • Makes you righteous.
  • 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:41.268
  • He is the one who heals you, he is your all in all.
  • 00:32:41.268 --> 00:32:45.105
  • Go all in and get your healing, your need,
  • 00:32:45.105 --> 00:32:50.043
  • Your answer to prayer.
  • 00:32:50.043 --> 00:32:51.978
  • Let's pray and do it right now.
  • 00:32:51.978 --> 00:32:54.981
  • Lord, we come to you.
  • 00:32:54.981 --> 00:32:56.249
  • We come to you believing just as little children.
  • 00:32:56.249 --> 00:32:59.786
  • We come to a loving heavenly father who wants to take care
  • 00:32:59.786 --> 00:33:04.391
  • Of every single need.
  • 00:33:04.391 --> 00:33:06.159
  • So lord, we walk into the finish work of the cross.
  • 00:33:07.494 --> 00:33:11.465
  • We see you, we look to you for you are the author
  • 00:33:11.465 --> 00:33:16.536
  • And the finisher of our faith.
  • 00:33:17.337 --> 00:33:19.673
  • We receive all that you have for us now in jesus name, amen.
  • 00:33:21.041 --> 00:33:26.713
  • There's someone, you've got searing pain in your right lung
  • 00:33:28.081 --> 00:33:30.484
  • With every single breath.
  • 00:33:30.484 --> 00:33:32.419
  • God is healing that you just felt that, that pain
  • 00:33:32.419 --> 00:33:36.223
  • Is leaving you now and the wonderful news,
  • 00:33:36.223 --> 00:33:39.092
  • It's never going to come back.
  • 00:33:39.092 --> 00:33:41.394
  • You are healed, completely healed in jesus name, terry?
  • 00:33:41.394 --> 00:33:46.133
  • - the word that comes is entwined and i believe this
  • 00:33:47.367 --> 00:33:50.003
  • Is somebody you have some kind of a mass in your head
  • 00:33:50.003 --> 00:33:55.075
  • And it's operable, but the problem is it's entwined
  • 00:33:56.309 --> 00:33:59.279
  • With other things that make it very, very difficult.
  • 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.482
  • God is creating pathways to healing for you right now.
  • 00:34:03.884 --> 00:34:07.254
  • Just lift up your hands and begin to receive that
  • 00:34:07.254 --> 00:34:10.790
  • As he solves this dilemma that doctors can't seem to solve
  • 00:34:10.790 --> 00:34:14.794
  • Just right now receive it, god is healing you
  • 00:34:14.794 --> 00:34:17.164
  • In powerful ways.
  • 00:34:17.164 --> 00:34:18.865
  • - there's someone you're involved in an
  • 00:34:19.966 --> 00:34:22.135
  • Abusive relationship and you just can't seem to get
  • 00:34:22.135 --> 00:34:26.706
  • Free from it and god just wants to give you the boldness
  • 00:34:26.706 --> 00:34:29.876
  • To get free that he just wants to assure you,
  • 00:34:29.876 --> 00:34:32.946
  • You don't have to take this.
  • 00:34:32.946 --> 00:34:35.315
  • You can get up and leave it and so do that right now.
  • 00:34:35.315 --> 00:34:40.387
  • Just have the faith to believe that he has made
  • 00:34:41.521 --> 00:34:43.790
  • A way for you, he will provide for you,
  • 00:34:43.790 --> 00:34:46.393
  • He will be your all in all.
  • 00:34:46.393 --> 00:34:48.461
  • He never intended this for you, he wants to set you
  • 00:34:48.461 --> 00:34:51.364
  • Free from it now in jesus name.
  • 00:34:51.364 --> 00:34:55.068
  • - yes, someone else.
  • 00:34:55.068 --> 00:34:56.403
  • You have had severe infection in your kidneys
  • 00:34:56.403 --> 00:34:59.539
  • And problems with your liver as well,
  • 00:34:59.539 --> 00:35:01.474
  • This is the same person.
  • 00:35:01.474 --> 00:35:03.843
  • God's healing that condition for you, you've had it
  • 00:35:03.843 --> 00:35:06.213
  • For a while and it's been so frustrating, he's healing it
  • 00:35:06.213 --> 00:35:09.316
  • For you now.
  • 00:35:09.316 --> 00:35:10.884
  • Just feel that warmth come across your back
  • 00:35:10.884 --> 00:35:13.086
  • And the side of your body as he heals you.
  • 00:35:13.086 --> 00:35:15.422
  • - so when you scratch your cornea in your left eye
  • 00:35:16.656 --> 00:35:18.592
  • And it's very painful for you, god is able to heal
  • 00:35:18.592 --> 00:35:22.128
  • That cornea.
  • 00:35:22.128 --> 00:35:23.597
  • He's able to make it whole again, give you everything
  • 00:35:23.597 --> 00:35:26.433
  • That you've lost, give you vision, give you everything
  • 00:35:26.433 --> 00:35:29.936
  • That's been taken in jesus name, be healed and be
  • 00:35:29.936 --> 00:35:33.473
  • Set free from it.
  • 00:35:33.473 --> 00:35:34.975
  • Lord, we thank you.
  • 00:35:35.609 --> 00:35:36.743
  • We thank you for your wonderful power.
  • 00:35:36.743 --> 00:35:40.780
  • We thank you for your wonderful love towards us.
  • 00:35:40.780 --> 00:35:44.651
  • You forgive all our iniquities, you heal all our diseases.
  • 00:35:44.651 --> 00:35:49.723
  • We receive everything now in jesus name, amen.
  • 00:35:50.857 --> 00:35:54.728
  • If you've been healed, if you've been set free,
  • 00:35:55.862 --> 00:35:57.831
  • Give us a call 1-800-700-7000.
  • 00:35:57.831 --> 00:36:01.234
  • If you need prayer, we're here for you.
  • 00:36:01.234 --> 00:36:03.003
  • We're here for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
  • 00:36:03.003 --> 00:36:06.339
  • All you have to do is pick up the phone and call
  • 00:36:06.339 --> 00:36:08.675
  • 1-800-700-7000, terry?
  • 00:36:08.675 --> 00:36:12.145
  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:36:12.145 --> 00:36:13.513
  • - well still ahead 17 credit cards and proud of them,
  • 00:36:13.513 --> 00:36:17.083
  • This woman was born to shop, her husband not so much.
  • 00:36:17.083 --> 00:36:22.155
  • See how this spender and this saver finally wind up
  • 00:36:23.390 --> 00:36:25.892
  • On the same page, plus fighting, drinking, womanizing
  • 00:36:25.892 --> 00:36:30.964
  • A bareback champion was drowning in debauchery.
  • 00:36:32.098 --> 00:36:35.101
  • See what finally tamed this bronco that's coming up.
  • 00:36:35.101 --> 00:36:48.615
  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:36:49.282 --> 00:36:50.483
  • - i didn't even give it a second thought
  • 00:36:50.483 --> 00:36:51.818
  • That there could be a miscarriage.
  • 00:36:51.818 --> 00:36:54.621
  • I don't think i really processed it until
  • 00:36:54.621 --> 00:36:56.756
  • We were driving home, that's when i finally cried about it.
  • 00:36:56.756 --> 00:37:00.327
  • - god, if this doesn't happen, i still love you.
  • 00:37:00.327 --> 00:37:03.830
  • - i was mad in the way where you are boiling on the inside.
  • 00:37:03.830 --> 00:37:15.342
  • I was surrendering myself, i felt held.
  • 00:37:16.409 --> 00:37:23.917
  • - well we saw the heartbeat and that was like, okay.
  • 00:37:25.151 --> 00:37:28.288
  • - we've never been this far.
  • 00:37:28.288 --> 00:37:30.156
  • - eight years of wanting that moment.
  • 00:37:30.156 --> 00:37:32.992
  • - my little girl is in my arms.
  • 00:37:32.992 --> 00:37:36.429
  • - finally have the guts to let go, that allows the
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  • Lord to move in a way that we can't even imagine.
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  • ♪ action it's like a great attraction. ♪
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  • ♪ there's a lot of chain reaction. ♪
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  • ♪ a lot of normal satisfaction. ♪
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  • ♪ i love the way the joy makes me move. ♪
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  • - in the last five minutes of my labor and delivery
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  • Was when i noticed something was wrong.
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  • They put her on my chest and right away they took her away
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  • And she wasn't crying and she looked sort of gray,
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  • I didn't know if she was gonna live or die.
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  • Then they came back in the room and said,
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  • "she's had a brain injury."
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  • That's when i really started praying, god, please,
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  • Please let her mind be okay.
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  • Turned on the tv and just randomly flipping the channels,
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  • After that, i really felt like things started
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  • Moving even more.
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  • She went from being behind to advanced for her age.
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  • I could never deny the power of prayer.
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  • I would always just say, pray and pray more
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  • And just keep trusting god.
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  • His word is true.
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  • He saw me through all the bad things i thought
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  • Would happen to my daughter and he healed her.
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  • Psalms 34:4, "i sought the lord and he answered me.
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  • He delivered me from all of my fears."
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  • - jason was a saver, his wife angie was a spender.
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  • Angie had an arsenal of 17 credit cards at her fingertips
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  • In one day she dug through her wallet,
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  • Took out all her credit cards and cut them all up.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - i just like to spend, at the last point,
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  • I had 17 credit cards.
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  • A lot of them were department stores, jewelry stores
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  • Or american express, visa those kind.
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  • - any kind of debt stressed me out and we had
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  • A couple of car payments at that time also.
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  • That really stressed me out, i didn't like it.
  • 00:40:58.197 --> 00:41:00.733
  • - [narrator three] like many couples, jason and angie kabler
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  • Had conflicting views about money.
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  • - when we fought, we fought about money.
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  • I think if we would have had open communication
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  • In the beginning, i think our first seven years
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  • Of marriage would not have been so hard.
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  • - [narrator three] jason grew up not quite sold on tithing.
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  • - you know, if somebody asked me to share my money
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  • Or to give my money for something, it was like, yeah,
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  • No, i'm not gonna do that.
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  • This is my money, i want it.
  • 00:41:26.626 --> 00:41:28.328
  • - [narrator three] however, by the time he married angie,
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  • Jason had warmed up to the idea of tithing
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  • While she managed the checkbook,
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  • He focused on building up his dental practice.
  • 00:41:36.369 --> 00:41:39.005
  • - i was trying to figure out how to run a practice,
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  • Run a business and it was very stressful,
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  • So i gave all that over to her, but when it came down to it,
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  • It wasn't her natural inclination to want to deal with that.
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  • - [narrator three] the stress of handling their bills
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  • Finally got to angie.
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  • - he started just questioning me and i got
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  • Very offensive like, why are you questioning what i'm doing?
  • 00:41:58.691 --> 00:42:02.795
  • So much to the point that one night i threw the checkbook
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  • At him and i told him, you will take care of it,
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  • I will no longer pay the bills.
  • 00:42:10.069 --> 00:42:12.705
  • At that point, he took the lead, he became more of
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  • The head of our household.
  • 00:42:17.410 --> 00:42:18.845
  • - [narrator three] jason then began paying the bills.
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  • He also suggested the couple enroll in a financial strategy
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  • Program through their church.
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  • - the first few sessions that she went to, she basically
  • 00:42:26.386 --> 00:42:29.155
  • Sat there with her arms crossed and doing this number,
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  • But as time went, she started catching the vision a little
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  • Bit and so did i, i started learning a lot of things
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  • That i didn't know.
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  • - [narrator three] at the end of one of the classes,
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  • Angie surprised jason.
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  • - the coordinator would always, at the end of the night,
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  • He would say, is there anybody that wants to cut
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  • Up their credit cards tonight?
  • 00:42:50.843 --> 00:42:52.412
  • Angie stood up and started digging through her billfold,
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  • Took out all of those credit cards.
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  • I believe it was 17, and cut every last one of 'em up
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  • And i had no idea this was gonna happen.
  • 00:43:05.124 --> 00:43:07.994
  • - [narrator three] the kablers also took marriage
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  • Counseling to help them communicate better about money.
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  • - i had to really go through a transition to learn how
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  • To let go and learn that really it all belongs to god
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  • And that it's mine to manage and it's more of a joy
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  • Now to be able to give rather than a stress
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  • And obviously that's gotten much easier over the years.
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  • - once we got on the same page with money and finances,
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  • I think that's where our marriage did a 180
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  • And we started flourishing.
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  • - [narrator three] today, the kablers have no credit
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  • Cards and no debt other than their mortgage.
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  • Jason's practice has grown as well and he even writes
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  • A weekly blog about finances.
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  • - a blessed 90% is always greater than an unblessed 100%.
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  • It's not the kind of math we learned in school,
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  • But when you exercise that faith, he will bless
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  • That 10% and multiply it.
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  • - be obedient with your finances and tithing and trust god.
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  • If i could encourage someone to just step out on faith
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  • And do it, try it for 90 days, go ahead and give that 10%
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  • And trust god and watch the miracles that will take place.
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  • - trust god and watch the miracles that will take place
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  • In your life when you just trust him and one of
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  • The best ways to trust him is to trust him
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  • With your finances, it's the only time you get to prove god.
  • 00:44:38.785 --> 00:44:41.487
  • He says it very clearly in malachi, "test me now on this.
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  • Prove me now on this, if i will not open for you
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  • The windows of heaven."
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  • You live life his way, wonderful things can happen.
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  • You just saw it with jason and angie.
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  • The first thing they had to do is get rid of
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  • The credit cards.
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  • Consumer spending is an absolute curse on you,
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  • Because it puts you into debt and then it gets you
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  • Into interest payments and it seems like you can never
  • 00:45:06.479 --> 00:45:09.515
  • Catch up, but when you live his way,
  • 00:45:09.515 --> 00:45:13.286
  • Say, i'm going to live within my income,
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  • I'm going to tithe 10%, i'm going to save 10%,
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  • - when i was eight years old, i was molested by a boy
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  • That was only a year older than me,
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  • I became very sexualized.
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  • I started going all over the state just for random
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  • Sexual encounters that i would find online.
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  • Nothing was satisfying anymore and so i began to
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  • Remember all the fantasies i had as a child
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  • Of feeling like a boy, i began to transition,
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  • It was the greatest thing ever.
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  • I was really excited about the results and i liked
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  • How it looked physically.
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  • I realized that my surgery hadn't made me a man
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  • And that was devastating to me.
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  • But after about a month of just crying out to the lord night
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  • After night after night, i had a clear vision
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  • Of jesus christ himself getting down on one knee.
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  • He reached his hand into the pit and he said,
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  • "do you trust me?"
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  • I took his hand, i walked away from my entire identity.
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  • You are who god created you to be and you are put
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  • On this earth for his purpose.
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  • God loves you more than you could ever even imagine.
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  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - it was so intense with the sinus pressure
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  • That it was to the point where my jaws
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  • Were even hurting from coughing so intensely.
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  • It was a battle, it really was.
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  • He kept saying to me, this to will pass,
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  • So i just stand up and say, "i'm waiting on you, lord."
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  • I just kept confessing, god is my healer, he is my healer.
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  • They were to the section where they were talking about
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  • People were receiving healings, they were gonna pray
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  • For anyone who was sick.
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  • - there's someone, you heard the report about sinus
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  • Conditions and you're saying, please say sinus conditions,
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  • So for you, i'm saying sinus condition,
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  • All of that inflammation, everything that seems to be
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  • Swollen and closed up, open now in jesus name.
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  • - i jumped up and my spirit just kind of leaped
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  • And i said, "that's for me, lord, that's it."
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  • You think maybe he's not mindful of those things,
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  • But he's mindful of everything, he's just faithful
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  • And he is our healer.
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  • - i was muslim for four years.
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  • I had spells cast on me and just everything
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  • You can think of.
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  • I never got what i was looking for, there was no real power
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  • To change my life.
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  • I had tried everything, it was just came to a point
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  • Where it was like, you know what?
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  • I don't want to do this anymore.
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  • The little old lady at the church, she'd come and get me.
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  • She prayed for me and all i know is i felt the love of god.
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  • We would read from genesis to revelation
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  • And we just went deep in the word of god.
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  • Everything about me, even my very continents
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  • Begin to change after that point, and now i just have
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  • A desire to see them experience the loving kindness of god
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  • That i have experienced.
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  • To see that true change is possible
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  • And that what you thought that you were looking
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  • For can only be found in christ.
  • 00:50:17.790 --> 00:50:22.862
  • - the horse bucks leaps in the air and then jerks
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  • In the opposite direction.
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  • Bareback rodeo is a wild ride and anthony thomas
  • 00:50:29.101 --> 00:50:33.339
  • Is one of the top champions.
  • 00:50:33.339 --> 00:50:35.207
  • So at the peak of his career, why was anthony at the lowest
  • 00:50:35.207 --> 00:50:39.545
  • Of lows and how did a supernatural date
  • 00:50:39.545 --> 00:50:43.215
  • Totally transform him?
  • 00:50:43.215 --> 00:50:45.117
  • Just watch.
  • 00:50:45.117 --> 00:50:46.418
  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - [narrator four] anthony thomas has lived life much like
  • 00:50:49.088 --> 00:50:52.258
  • How he rides a horse, some by saddle, some by bareback.
  • 00:50:52.258 --> 00:50:56.896
  • - i was a troubled kid that ran away from home,
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  • That had a dream to be a cowboy.
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  • God definitely placed horses in my life and in my heart,
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  • I was able to connect with a horse.
  • 00:51:05.771 --> 00:51:07.273
  • As a young kid, i've chased wild horses all over the world.
  • 00:51:07.273 --> 00:51:11.076
  • They're definitely a soulful creature that comes from god
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  • And did save my life.
  • 00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:16.382
  • - [narrator four] the rodeo cowboy and professional bareback
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  • Competitor left home in australia at 12 years old,
  • 00:51:19.818 --> 00:51:22.321
  • Surviving a difficult family life.
  • 00:51:22.321 --> 00:51:24.890
  • - i had a pretty traumatic childhood.
  • 00:51:24.890 --> 00:51:26.625
  • My parents had me doped up pretty bad on several
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  • Types of drugs.
  • 00:51:29.628 --> 00:51:31.163
  • I knew that i was troubled and confused and i would've ended
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  • Up in organized crime or in jail or dead
  • 00:51:33.966 --> 00:51:35.901
  • If i had have stayed there in that situation,
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  • Probably better off for me to stay away and being with
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  • The horses and the cows and the sheep,
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  • I knew that that's what gave me a sense of belonging.
  • 00:51:42.675 --> 00:51:45.878
  • - [narrator four] that belonging came at a ranch,
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  • A cattle station near the boarding school where he was sent.
  • 00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:50.916
  • Young anthony found stability identifying with the
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  • Unbroken horses.
  • 00:51:53.786 --> 00:51:55.287
  • - i think the immediate connection that i had
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  • With those wild horses that god placed me in front of,
  • 00:51:57.022 --> 00:52:00.025
  • Like me, they were confused and they had used their
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  • Defense mechanisms to protect themselves and i could
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  • Definitely relate to 'em in every way just because of
  • 00:52:06.865 --> 00:52:09.301
  • The similarities in the way that we thought
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  • And the circumstances that were brought to us.
  • 00:52:11.370 --> 00:52:14.773
  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:52:14.773 --> 00:52:16.976
  • - [narrator four] working long hours, seven days a week,
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  • Anthony learned the art of breaking horses.
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  • - establishing full trust between man versus beast.
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  • The horse has gotta be in the mindset that he
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  • Trusts you enough to want to do that for you.
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  • You can make these big creatures do things,
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  • But they're only gonna give you probably 70% of what they
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  • Can do, and when you can gain that full trust and have
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  • A full sense of understanding with the horse,
  • 00:52:36.595 --> 00:52:38.697
  • Then you'll get close to a hundred percent out of your horse
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  • Every time.
  • 00:52:41.600 --> 00:52:42.835
  • - [narrator four] the connection to horses
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  • Provided anthony opportunities on them.
  • 00:52:43.969 --> 00:52:46.138
  • He's learned instincts and neglected upbringing
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  • Prepared him as a bareback rider.
  • 00:52:48.674 --> 00:52:50.943
  • - they say bareback riding is taking control
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  • Of a completely uncontrollable situation.
  • 00:52:53.212 --> 00:52:56.048
  • You know, the horse buck jumps in the air as wild
  • 00:52:56.048 --> 00:52:58.884
  • Changes directions, and we just have to react and respond
  • 00:52:58.884 --> 00:53:02.187
  • And i think god prepared me to be a professional
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  • Bareback rider, because i need to trust the lord
  • 00:53:04.790 --> 00:53:07.459
  • And the holy spirit's playing a hundred percent surrendering
  • 00:53:07.459 --> 00:53:10.029
  • To the lord's that it's not up to me what happens.
  • 00:53:10.029 --> 00:53:12.698
  • - [narrator four] as a teen anthony look forward
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  • To the occasional weekend rodeos in the australian outback.
  • 00:53:15.401 --> 00:53:18.003
  • - all the crews in all of the keen young cattle hands,
  • 00:53:18.003 --> 00:53:20.673
  • We call 'em ringers, would enter the rodeos
  • 00:53:20.673 --> 00:53:22.975
  • And use their skills that they would use at their job
  • 00:53:22.975 --> 00:53:25.611
  • Every day, like riding bucking horses and catching bulls
  • 00:53:25.611 --> 00:53:28.047
  • And showcase their talents.
  • 00:53:28.047 --> 00:53:29.481
  • When i would go to those local rodeos, i ended up
  • 00:53:29.481 --> 00:53:31.350
  • Doing really well and all the events that i entered
  • 00:53:31.350 --> 00:53:33.852
  • And got caught, the rodeo buck.
  • 00:53:33.852 --> 00:53:35.821
  • - [narrator four] in 2011, anthony won
  • 00:53:35.821 --> 00:53:37.923
  • The australian bareback title.
  • 00:53:37.923 --> 00:53:39.658
  • The following year he moved to canada aiming
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  • For a north american title.
  • 00:53:42.261 --> 00:53:44.263
  • - the horses are so much bigger and stronger
  • 00:53:44.263 --> 00:53:47.566
  • And more athletic.
  • 00:53:47.566 --> 00:53:48.801
  • The bucking horses in canada and in the us
  • 00:53:48.801 --> 00:53:51.270
  • Is second to none.
  • 00:53:51.270 --> 00:53:52.671
  • You know, the bright lights and the big stadiums
  • 00:53:52.671 --> 00:53:55.040
  • And and the huge crowds.
  • 00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:57.242
  • Everything was just so much different and obviously
  • 00:53:57.242 --> 00:53:59.912
  • It pushed you to be far more of a professional athlete.
  • 00:53:59.912 --> 00:54:03.716
  • - [narrator four] injuries and surgeries mounted,
  • 00:54:03.716 --> 00:54:06.552
  • So did distractions that came with the touring territory.
  • 00:54:06.552 --> 00:54:09.188
  • - you're in a different city, in a different town
  • 00:54:09.188 --> 00:54:11.190
  • And there's always a bar.
  • 00:54:11.190 --> 00:54:12.324
  • There's always womanizing and partying
  • 00:54:12.324 --> 00:54:14.326
  • And making bad decisions and for probably a good 10 years
  • 00:54:14.326 --> 00:54:17.363
  • Of my life, i was as guilty as any man on earth fighting
  • 00:54:17.363 --> 00:54:21.367
  • And drinking and just all of the debauchery that comes
  • 00:54:21.367 --> 00:54:24.536
  • With being in a party scene all the time.
  • 00:54:24.536 --> 00:54:27.172
  • As i remember being down in the dumps at the
  • 00:54:27.172 --> 00:54:30.409
  • Lowest of low's.
  • 00:54:30.409 --> 00:54:31.877
  • - [narrator four] in 2018, anthony worked his way up
  • 00:54:31.877 --> 00:54:34.480
  • Among the world's best 15 bareback riders,
  • 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.416
  • But his life felt meaningless.
  • 00:54:37.416 --> 00:54:39.485
  • On a second date, at the request of his now wife, amanda,
  • 00:54:39.485 --> 00:54:42.921
  • They visited a church service at hope city in houston.
  • 00:54:42.921 --> 00:54:46.525
  • - the presence of the holy spirit just almost
  • 00:54:46.525 --> 00:54:48.961
  • Knocked me off my feet, i started crying.
  • 00:54:48.961 --> 00:54:51.530
  • I didn't know where it comes from and god was just
  • 00:54:51.530 --> 00:54:54.166
  • Speaking to me.
  • 00:54:54.166 --> 00:54:55.701
  • It was an undeniable sense of conviction, hope and renewal,
  • 00:54:55.701 --> 00:55:00.239
  • Transformation of my life to become a actual kingdom man.
  • 00:55:01.573 --> 00:55:04.143
  • Realizing how much of a relationship that i have with jesus
  • 00:55:04.143 --> 00:55:07.279
  • That i can talk to him as a friend, that he's always
  • 00:55:07.279 --> 00:55:09.982
  • Gonna be there for me, he's always gonna provide for me
  • 00:55:09.982 --> 00:55:12.518
  • - [narrator four] while the pandemic shut down rodeos,
  • 00:55:12.518 --> 00:55:14.453
  • Anthony opened a farm to table natural beef business,
  • 00:55:14.453 --> 00:55:17.890
  • The pasture also brought him a new perspective
  • 00:55:17.890 --> 00:55:20.325
  • With empathetic strength.
  • 00:55:20.325 --> 00:55:22.227
  • - 2020 really opened my eyes to some underlying racism.
  • 00:55:22.227 --> 00:55:26.865
  • I think that empathy is so important.
  • 00:55:26.865 --> 00:55:28.867
  • The western industry is a predominantly white culture,
  • 00:55:28.867 --> 00:55:32.304
  • It's not judgemental to anybody, it's just the way it is.
  • 00:55:32.304 --> 00:55:35.240
  • Even though i am a different color to everybody else
  • 00:55:35.240 --> 00:55:39.178
  • In the bareback riding sport, you would hope that
  • 00:55:39.178 --> 00:55:41.914
  • The judges in the sport have everybody
  • 00:55:42.981 --> 00:55:44.616
  • In their best interest, but it's not something
  • 00:55:44.616 --> 00:55:47.686
  • That i can allow myself to think about,
  • 00:55:47.686 --> 00:55:49.922
  • And i do believe that god's put me in rodeo,
  • 00:55:49.922 --> 00:55:52.224
  • Showing that people of all different colors
  • 00:55:52.224 --> 00:55:54.560
  • Can get along and be brothers and sisters and be family.
  • 00:55:54.560 --> 00:55:57.863
  • - [narrator four] the rodeo, bareback, cowboy, ranched
  • 00:55:57.863 --> 00:56:01.133
  • In humble texas embraces his story, journey with humility.
  • 00:56:01.133 --> 00:56:04.303
  • - be loyal to him and show him all the glory
  • 00:56:04.303 --> 00:56:06.905
  • For everything he's done for me.
  • 00:56:06.905 --> 00:56:08.440
  • God has placed me in every situation,
  • 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.676
  • And i can't even explain how that happened.
  • 00:56:10.676 --> 00:56:12.945
  • God is true and god is real and he's a real savior
  • 00:56:12.945 --> 00:56:15.981
  • And he's saved my life and he's provided for me
  • 00:56:15.981 --> 00:56:18.116
  • In every situation, every one of us has a platform
  • 00:56:18.116 --> 00:56:21.420
  • Right where they are and teach them about
  • 00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:23.489
  • The love of jesus no matter what, that there's a god
  • 00:56:23.489 --> 00:56:26.158
  • That's always there for you that has more for you
  • 00:56:26.158 --> 00:56:28.794
  • Than you could ever imagine.
  • 00:56:28.794 --> 00:56:32.164
  • - what a message anthony brings us, what a life
  • 00:56:33.298 --> 00:56:35.767
  • He has lived, that's a amazing testimony.
  • 00:56:35.767 --> 00:56:39.037
  • Well, we have a minute here for some email,
  • 00:56:39.037 --> 00:56:41.139
  • So let's hear from patricia, gordon.
  • 00:56:41.139 --> 00:56:43.275
  • She says, "hi, gordon. when i was 13 or 14,
  • 00:56:43.275 --> 00:56:45.477
  • I was saved and baptized. throughout my adulthood,
  • 00:56:45.477 --> 00:56:48.180
  • I backslid. i'm 60 now and have come to know the lord again.
  • 00:56:48.180 --> 00:56:51.550
  • Do i need to get saved and baptized again,
  • 00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:53.852
  • Please help because it really troubles my heart."
  • 00:56:53.852 --> 00:56:56.655
  • - you can, patricia, if you want to get baptized again,
  • 00:56:56.655 --> 00:56:59.691
  • Please do.
  • 00:56:59.691 --> 00:57:01.193
  • If married couples can reaffirm their vows
  • 00:57:01.193 --> 00:57:04.129
  • And go through the ceremony again, because they want to
  • 00:57:04.129 --> 00:57:07.065
  • Show the world we love each other, we're committed to
  • 00:57:07.065 --> 00:57:09.735
  • Each other.
  • 00:57:09.735 --> 00:57:11.236
  • You can go through baptism again and say, i want to show
  • 00:57:11.236 --> 00:57:15.541
  • The whole world that i am dead to my sins and my trespasses.
  • 00:57:15.541 --> 00:57:20.512
  • I'm raised again into newness of life with jesus christ,
  • 00:57:20.512 --> 00:57:24.650
  • And it doesn't matter what age you are.
  • 00:57:24.650 --> 00:57:27.185
  • I know some denominations disagree over this,
  • 00:57:27.185 --> 00:57:31.657
  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:57:31.657 --> 00:57:33.325
  • But you know, getting re-baptized in my view is a wonderful
  • 00:57:33.325 --> 00:57:36.662
  • Thing, and if it will make you feel better,
  • 00:57:36.662 --> 00:57:39.264
  • Then absolutely do it, do it as soon as you can.
  • 00:57:39.264 --> 00:57:43.569
  • We leave you today with these words from psalm 91,
  • 00:57:43.569 --> 00:57:46.638
  • "for he shall give his angels charge over you
  • 00:57:46.638 --> 00:57:50.275
  • To keep you in all of your ways."
  • 00:57:50.275 --> 00:57:53.145
  • For terry, for me, for all of us here.
  • 00:57:53.145 --> 00:57:55.881
  • God bless you, we'll see you again.
  • 00:57:55.881 --> 00:58:04.556
  • (upbeat ambient music)
  • 00:58:05.223 --> 00:58:06.592
  • - i remember just walking through the wilderness
  • 00:58:06.592 --> 00:58:08.093
  • And just mesmerized by the nature, the beauty, the silence,
  • 00:58:08.093 --> 00:58:11.930
  • But in the midst of that silence, god began
  • 00:58:11.930 --> 00:58:15.634
  • To reveal himself to me, god showed me what i had become.
  • 00:58:15.634 --> 00:58:20.706
  • I just got up and i said, i need something greater than me.
  • 00:58:22.074 --> 00:58:25.510
  • When you've tried everything and nothing's worked,
  • 00:58:26.745 --> 00:58:28.313
  • Cry out to jesus.
  • 00:58:28.313 --> 00:58:34.286
  • (upbeat ambient music)
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  • - i'm not breathing enough to make a feather move.
  • 00:59:34.813 --> 00:59:37.416
  • That really frustrated me because my quality of life
  • 00:59:37.416 --> 00:59:41.586
  • Had drastically changed.
  • 00:59:41.586 --> 00:59:44.456
  • I could just say, "just lord, i need your help."
  • 00:59:44.456 --> 00:59:47.225
  • - there's someone else, you have breathing issues.
  • 00:59:47.225 --> 00:59:49.428
  • Take a complete breath and exhale as jesus christ
  • 00:59:49.428 --> 00:59:53.165
  • Heals you completely.
  • 00:59:53.165 --> 00:59:54.733
  • - i can feel that air going clear down to my stomach
  • 00:59:54.733 --> 00:59:59.571
  • And back, he will always be there walking this out
  • 00:59:59.571 --> 00:59:59.571