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ACLJ This Week with Jay Sekulow, "IRS - Social Security Victory"

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January 26, 2016
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ACLJ This Week with Jay Sekulow, "IRS - Social Security Victory"

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  • [ANNOUNCER]
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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW
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  • AND JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW! JAY SEKULOW: WELCOME TO THE
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  • BROADCAST EVERYBODY. TWO BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND WE'RE GLAD
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  • OUR TELEVISION AUDIENCE IS WITH US, AND THAT IS 2 WINS AGAINST
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  • THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. FIRST, IN THE UNITED STATES
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  • DISTRICT COURT WE BEAT THE IRS ON A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT
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  • REQUEST THAT WE WANTED TO GET INFORMATION ON, OBVIOUSLY. TAX
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  • PAYERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. THE IRS REFUSED TO HAND
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  • OVER THE DOCUMENTS. WE WENT TO FEDERAL COURT AND A JUDGE ISSUED
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  • AN ORDER COMPELLING THE IRS TO DISCLOSE THE DOCUMENTS. THAT WAS
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  • GOOD NEWS, BUT EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, I THINK, IS THE
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  • IRS WAS PROPOSING AT THE END OF LAST YEAR TO DO A SCENARIO WHERE
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  • THEY WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
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  • THE NETWORKS YOU'RE WATCHING RIGHT NOW TO HAVE TO ASK YOU FOR
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  • YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO GIVE A DONATION OVER $250. THEY
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  • SAID, WELL, IT WOULD BE VOLUNTARY BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT
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  • VOLUNTARY MEANS WITH THE IRS. WELL, WE WENT TO WORK ON THAT. I
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  • AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE REGULATION HAS NOW BEEN
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  • WITHDRAWN BY THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. I'M GOING TO
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  • READ IT TO YOU; IT SAYS THIS VERY CLEARLY, THE NOTICE OF
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  • PROPOSED RULE MAKING PUBLISHED IN 2015, IS WITHDRAWN. WE WON.
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  • PROPOSED RULE MAKING PUBLISHED IN 2015, IS WITHDRAWN. WE WON.
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  • HAS FILED SAYING THEY ARE WITHDRAWING THE PROPOSED RULE
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  • MAKING ASKING FOR THIS TAX PAYER INFORMATION. AGAIN, HERE IT IS,
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  • THIS IS A BIG WIN BUT THE IRS WAS, AGAIN, WITH THIS
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  • ADMINISTRATION, OVERSTEPPING ITS BOUNDS. JORDAN SEKULOW: THIS IS
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  • NOT A SITUATION WHERE THE IRS IS PUTTING THIS ALONG, SO THEY'RE
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  • NOT JUST PAUSING THIS. THEY HAVE FULLY WITHDRAWN THIS PROPOSED
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  • RULE. THERE WAS MAJOR BACKLASH. OVER 38.000 PRIVATE COMMENTS, A
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  • LETTER SIGNED BY 215 CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, WARNING THE IRS,
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  • BASICALLY, THEY'RE NOT SET UP TO PROTECT THIS KIND OF PRIVATE
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  • INFORMATION; THIS DATA LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. AND
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  • AGAIN, THE ACLJ FILING A LETTER OF PROTEST AGAINST THIS RULE. IT
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  • IS A REAL VICTORY. AND I THINK THIS ALL TIES BACK TO THE
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  • PRESSURE PUT ON THE IRS DURING THE TARGETING SCANDAL. BECAUSE
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  • OF THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE IRS AND
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  • THEN WE SEE THESE POSITIVE RESULTS. -WE'RE TAKING YOUR
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  • CALLS AND COMMENTS, AGAIN, THE BIG WIN AT THE IRS SITUATION,
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  • FOLKS. IT GOT THIS RULE MAKING BEATEN BACK, IT WAS A HUGE DEAL.
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  • IT WOULD HAVE HAD A BIG IMPACT ON MINISTRIES AND ORGANIZATIONS,
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  • THAT YOU'RE WATCHING THIS BROADCAST ON RIGHT NOW WOULD
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  • HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THIS. WE WENT TO WORK ON THAT. YOU WENT
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  • AND WORKED ON IT WITH US AND HELPED US. THE ACLJ GOVERNMENT
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  • AFFAIRS TEAM WENT TO WORK. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS?
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  • THAT REGULATION IS WITHDRAWN. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD TO
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  • DISCUSS ON THIS. A BIG WIN, THOUGH. GREAT WAY TO START THE
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  • NEW YEAR. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • [BREAK]
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  • JAY
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  • SEKULOW: A BIG WIN, 2 WINS ACTUALLY, AND LET ME GO OVER
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  • THEM AGAIN. DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY REVOKING THEIR DECISION
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  • TO ASK FOR, WHAT THEY CALL VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THERE'S
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  • NOTHING VOLUNTARY WITH THE IRS, SO IF YOU DONATED TO THE ACLJ,
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  • AS SO MANY OF YOU DID GENEROUSLY, THAT WE WOULD HAVE
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  • TO THEN ASK FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. NOW WE FILED A
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  • PROTEST ON THIS AND, THAN, THE REACTION ON CAPITOL HILL WAS
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  • ALSO VERY STRONG. I MEAN, NO ONE COULD BELIEVE THAT IN THE MIDST
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  • OF THIS IRS TARGETING SCANDAL THAT THE IRS WOULD ACTUALLY DO
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  • THIS AND THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PUT THIS FORWARD. -IN AN
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  • ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE IRS HAS PROVEN THEMSELVES COMPLETELY
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  • UNTRUSTWORTHY WITH SENSITIVE INFORMATION, ESSENTIALLY WHAT
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  • THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A DATA BASE OF SOCIAL SECURITY
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  • NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU LAID THIS OUT VERY WELL, JAY. YES, IT
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  • WOULD HAVE BEEN THE GROUPS THAT WERE COLLECTING THE LETTER, BUT
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  • THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO SEND THAT TO THE
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  • IRS. AND IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE
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  • DONATIONS WOULD HAVE HAD TO SELF-REPORT AND SELF-TRACK. THAT
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  • IS SOMETHING THAT DONORS DON'T LIKE TO DO. THEY WON'T DO. SO
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  • THEY JUST WON'T MAKE THE DONATION IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO
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  • THESE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS WERE GOING TO END UP IN A DATA
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  • BASE AT THE IRS. THIS WAS JUST A SNEAKY WAY OF ACCOMPLISHING
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  • THAT. -I WANT TO PLAY BACK FOR YOU, THIS IS WORTH DOING, THIS
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  • IS LOIS LERNER'S SO-CALLED APOLOGY FROM 2 YEARS AGO. -THEY
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  • USED NAMES LIKE TEA PARTY OR PATRIOTS AND THEY SELECTED CASES
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  • SIMPLY BECAUSE THE APPLICATION HAD THOSE NAMES IN THE TITLE.
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  • THAT WAS WRONG. THE IRS WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
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  • -THE IRS WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WOULD THEY
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  • LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE FACT THAT THE ACLJ SECURED A HUGE
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  • VICTORY IN FEDERAL COURT AGAINST THE IRS BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T
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  • COMPLY WITH A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST? THE IRS
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  • WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER WHEN
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  • YOU MAKE A DONATION? NOT ON YOUR TAX RETURN. I'M TALKING ABOUT
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  • WHEN YOU MAKE A DONATION TO A CHURCH OR A RELIGIOUS GROUP OR A
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  • NON-PROFIT OR A HOSPITAL, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. WE HAVE TO
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  • ASK YOU FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE
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  • PROPOSING. WELL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO A BIG WIN, TWO BIG
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  • WINS AGAINST THE IRS. GOOD WAY TO START THE YEAR. WE'VE GOT A
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  • LOT OF COMMENTS COMING IN AND CALLS COMING IN AS WELL. LOGAN,
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  • WHAT'S NEXT? LOGAN SEKULOW: SURE. WE HAD A COMMENT COME IN
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  • JUST NOW FROM GREG ON FACEBOOK. SAID, JAY, I'VE READ YOUR BOOK
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  • "UNDEMOCRATIC" AND I SEE THIS AS FURTHER CONFIRMATION OF YOUR
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  • PREMISE. SO, HOW CAN WE CHANGE ALL THIS? THE FATE OF OUR
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  • COUNTRY IS AT STAKE. -I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO ABOLISH THE IRS
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  • AS WE KNOW IT AS AN ENTITY. AND I WORKED FOR THE IRS. MY FIRST
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  • JOB OUT OF LAW SCHOOL WAS IN THE OFFICE OF CHIEF COUNSEL INTERNAL
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  • REVENUE SERVICE. AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS, I THINK THAT THE
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  • INSTITUTION IS NOT CAPABLE OF SELF-CORRECTING. I THINK THAT'S
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  • THE REAL PROBLEM HERE. AND JORDAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
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  • PEOPLE CALLING FOR THIS POLITICALLY. WE'VE BEEN SAYING
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  • IT FOR YEARS. WHEN WE GOT INTO THAT IRS LITIGATION, WE KNEW, I
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  • MEAN, I WORKED FOR THEM. IT WAS NOT THAT WAY WHEN I WAS THERE.
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  • THAT WAS A LONG TIME, THAT WAS 35 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS FIRST
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  • OUT OF LAW SCHOOL, SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. BUT THIS IDEA THAT
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  • THE IRS EVEN THOUGHT THEY COULD DO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW DANGEROUS
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  • IT IS. BUT, AGAIN, I THINK THE SOLUTION HERE IS ABOLISH THE IRS
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  • AS WE KNOW IT. PERIOD. JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. AND
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  • THE FACT IS, THAT THE IRS IS SHOWING THAT IT IS IN A
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  • SITUATION WHERE THEY KEEP PRESSING AND PRESSING. SO YOU
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  • WOULD THINK AFTER THE IRS TARGETING SCANDAL, THEY WOULD
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  • NOT BE PUSHING FORWARD NEW REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT ALL
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  • CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS AND THIS REPORTING OF SOCIAL
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  • SECURITY NUMBERS, WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS WOULD HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE
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  • IMPACT. PEOPLE WOULD GET FREAKED OUT AND THEY WOULD BE SCARED TO
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  • DONATE BECAUSE THEY'D THINK, OKAY, I'M NOW MORE LIKELIHOOD OF
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  • IDENTITY THEFT, ALL THESE PROBLEMS. GIVING MORE
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  • INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT, AS IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
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  • DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON ALL OF US ALREADY. AND SO
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  • ULTIMATELY HERE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS, THOUGH THE IRS
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  • CONTINUES TO BE SO BOLD AS WE SAID, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT
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  • THEY'RE INSTITUTIONALLY CAPABLE OF SELF-CORRECTING AND THERE
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  • NEEDS TO BE A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF OUR TAX SYSTEM, -YEAH.
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  • -INCLUDING THE AGENCY THAT RUNS OUR TAX SYSTEM, AND GET UP TO
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  • SPEED WITH THE TIMES AND THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE. AND THE
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  • 2ND PLACE, IT'S A BIG VICTORY BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT ONCE WE
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  • PUT THAT PRESSURE, TOOK THEM TO COURT, FOUGHT BACK, THAT THE IRS
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  • IS NOT ACTING QUITE AS STRONG AS THEY USED TO. -THAT'S FOR SURE.
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  • -IT USED TO BE THE AGENCY THAT YOU DIDN'T MESS WITH. I MEAN,
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  • THAT IT WAS THE MOST CONCERNING OF ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO BE
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  • INVOLVED WITH. I'D SAY EVEN TO AN EXTENT GREATER THAN THE FBI,
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  • THE DEA AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THE IRS IS WHAT SCARED PEOPLE
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  • THE MOST. AND THEY LEARNED IF WE ALL JOINED TOGETHER THEY ARE
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  • STILL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, THEY RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE. THEY
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  • HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW
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  • HERE. -I HAVE A FUN ONE THAT JUST CAME IN, IT JUST SAID, YES,
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  • NOW IT SEEMS LIKE CHARITY IS NOW CONSIDERED WORSE THAN TERRORISM.
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  • THERE'S MORE CHECK-UPS ON CHARITY THAN THERE ARE ON
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  • POTENTIAL TERRORISTS. THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW.
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  • DEFINITELY TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, BUT INTERESTING. -INTERESTING
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  • BECAUSE, WE SAID YESTERDAY IN THE BROADCAST, REMEMBER THOSE
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  • SNAP-BACK PROVISIONS ON THE SANCTIONS? THAT WAS A TREASURY
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  • PROPOSAL. RIGHT, THAN? I MEAN, THAT WAS A TREASURY PROPOSAL
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  • THAT THE GOVERNMENT STOPPED DOING EVEN THOUGH THE TREASURY
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  • WAS GOING TO PUT IT IN PLACE. -YEAH, AS A REGULATION
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  • PROMULGATED OUT OF THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF EXISTING
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  • REGULATIONS IN VIOLATION OF U.N. SANCTIONS. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR
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  • WHAT HAPPENED, JAY, THOSE REGULATIONS GOT TO A CERTAIN
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  • POINT. THE WHITE HOUSE NOTICED THEM AND THEY SAID, OH, WE'VE
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  • GOT TO SHUT THAT DOWN AND SO THEY WORKED THROUGH THE STATE
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  • DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE IN SO-CALLED INTER-AGENCY
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  • CONVERSATIONS, THAT THOSE REGULATIONS WENT AWAY. -SO THE
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  • TREASURY DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS THE IRS, WANTS YOUR SOCIAL
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  • SECURITY NUMBER. THAT'S WHY THAT COMMENT WAS VERY INTERESTING,
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  • WANTS YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, BUT, AND THIS IS WHAT'S
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  • SO INTERESTING HERE, THE SCENARIO THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW,
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  • AND THIS IS THE REALITY, IS, THEY WANT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY
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  • NUMBER BUT THEY WOULDN'T LET TREASURY PUT IN THE SNAP-BACK
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  • PROVISIONS THAT THEY HAD IN PLACE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT? GO
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  • AFTER THE SANCTIONS THAT THE LAW REQUIRED AGAINST IRAN. SO, YEAH,
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  • THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING YOUR TAXPAYER, OUR
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  • SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS IN A DATA BASE, THAN THEY ARE ABOUT
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  • STOPPING TERRORISM. THAT'S A PRETTY SCARY THOUGHT. BUT I
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  • UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY THE COMMENT CAME IN. -ALRIGHT,
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  • LET'S GO BACK TO THE PHONES. JONATHAN IS CALLING FROM
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  • HILLSBORO, KS ON LINE FOUR. JONATHAN, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW
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  • HILLSBORO, KS ON LINE FOUR. JONATHAN, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW
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  • HILLSBORO, KS ON LINE FOUR. JONATHAN, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW
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  • HILLSBORO, KS ON LINE FOUR. JONATHAN, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. A QUESTION THAT WE'RE GETTING A LOT RIGHT NOW ON
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  • SOCIAL AS WELL. -HEY, JONATHAN. WELCOME TO THE BROADCAST. -HEY,
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  • THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND THE IRS
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  • TARGETING NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS? -WELL, THEY'RE
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  • TARGETING NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. THE TARGETING
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  • SCANDAL WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE POLITICS, AS THEY
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  • CALLED IT, OR THE POSITION, THE ADVOCACY POSITIONS OF VARIOUS
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  • NON-PROFITS. THEY ONLY TARGETED CONSERVATIVE GROUPS, PRO-LIFE
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  • GROUPS, SOME OF THE TEA PARTY GROUPS. BUT THEY WERE ASKING THE
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  • PRO-LIFE GROUPS WHO YOU WERE PRAYING WITH. THEY WANTED TO
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  • KNOW WHO YOU WERE IN CONTACT WITH. THEY WANTED A CONSERVATIVE
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  • EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATION TO GIVE THEM A LIST OF THE STUDENT'S
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  • NAMES. AND THESE WERE TEENAGE STUDENTS. AND THIS IS WHAT THE
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  • IRS THOUGHT THEY COULD GET. NOW WE FOUGHT BACK ON ALL THAT AND
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  • WON. I MEAN, THEY CHANGED THOSE. THEY STOPPED ASKING FOR THAT
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  • INFORMATION. THIS PARTICULAR THING WAS CALLED A
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  • SUBSTANTIATION REQUIREMENT FOR CONTRIBUTIONS OVER $249.99. AND
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  • THIS WAS WHAT THEY WANTED TO CALL COMPLIANCE. SO THAT IF YOU
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  • DONATED $250.00 TO THE ACLJ, I HAD TO, THEN, COME BACK AND ASK
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  • YOU FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. NOW IS THAT NOT ABSURD?
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  • I MEAN, THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS CALLED HARRASSMENT. YOU KNOW,
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  • JORDAN, YOU CAN CALL THAT A LOT OF THINGS BUT HARRASSMENT IS
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  • REALLY WHAT IT IS AT THE END OF THE DAY. -YEAH, EXACTLY RIGHT.
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  • AND THAT IS WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE, TOO, THIS
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  • COLLECTING OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. I THINK IT'S KIND OF A
  • 00:09:59.230 --> 00:10:01.140
  • BACK DOOR HARRASSMENT. FIRST IT WOULD AFFECT THE CHARITABLE
  • 00:10:01.150 --> 00:10:05.040
  • ORGANIZATIONS GREATLY. THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON, NOT
  • 00:10:05.050 --> 00:10:07.290
  • ONLY THE FEAR OF NOW MAKING A DONATION MEANS GIVING AWAY MORE
  • 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.020
  • OF THIS DATA, WHICH PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
  • 00:10:10.030 --> 00:10:13.220
  • THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, AND KNOWING THAT THAT'S GOING TO
  • 00:10:13.230 --> 00:10:16.080
  • THE IRS AND ALL THAT THE IRS HAS BEEN MIRED IN AND WHAT THEY
  • 00:10:16.090 --> 00:10:19.020
  • STAND FOR. AND THEN 2ND, ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S NOT JUST THE BACK
  • 00:10:19.030 --> 00:10:21.220
  • DOOR IMPACT, IT'S ALSO, AGAIN, POWER GRAB BY THE IRS FOR
  • 00:10:21.230 --> 00:10:29.020
  • INFORMATION THAT THEY SHOULD NOT REQUIRE IN THE CASE OF
  • 00:10:29.030 --> 00:10:32.260
  • CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS. THEY ARE PART OF THE FEDERAL
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  • GOVERNMENT. IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON, IF
  • 00:10:35.020 --> 00:10:38.080
  • THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG, THEY'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION
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  • NECESSARY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN TO MAKE
  • 00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:44.100
  • CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS EVEN. -NO, OF COURSE NOT. -YOU CAN
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  • DONATE TO AN AMERICAN NON-PROFIT. -EXACTLY. -IF
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  • YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS BROADCAST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD,
  • 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:51.180
  • THE ONLY TIME THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IS WHEN IT COMES TO
  • 00:10:51.190 --> 00:10:53.110
  • FEDERAL ELECTIONS, SOME STATE LAWS ON ELECTIONS, AND THAT HAS
  • 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.200
  • TO DO WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. SO
  • 00:10:56.210 --> 00:11:00.070
  • ULTIMATELY, ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT A POWER GRAB THAT WOULD HAVE
  • 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:06.020
  • CAUSED INTIMIDATION BY THE IRS. -SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE LAID
  • 00:11:06.030 --> 00:11:08.110
  • OUT IN OUR LETTER TO THE IRS WAS THIS CONCERN ABOUT IDENTITY
  • 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.090
  • THEFT AT THE IRS. WE PUT THIS, JUST THIS YEAR, TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:16.140
  • 2015, HACKERS ACCESS SENSITIVE EMPLOYEE DATA AT THE FEDERAL
  • 00:11:16.150 --> 00:11:19.170
  • OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT IN THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
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  • AGENCY AND THE IRS AS WELL. TWO SOPHISTICATED ORGANIZATIONS WITH
  • 00:11:29.060 --> 00:11:31.180
  • THE RESOURCES TO PROTECT IDENTITY THEFT AND THAT
  • 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:33.270
  • INFORMATION WAS HACKED. ONE OF MY ASSOCIATES IN MY OFFICE IN
  • 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:35.100
  • ATLANTA WHEN I WAS WITH THE IRS SAID HE GOT A NOTICE FROM OPM,
  • 00:11:35.110 --> 00:11:36.180
  • OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, THAT HIS INFORMATION, WHICH MINE
  • 00:11:36.190 --> 00:11:39.220
  • WAS TOO, THEY PROBABLY JUST DIDN'T HAVE MY CURRENT ADDRESS,
  • 00:11:39.230 --> 00:11:40.290
  • WAS COMPROMISED, YEAH. SO THIS IS, DO YOU THINK, THEY CAN'T
  • 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:42.200
  • EVEN KEEP INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL. WHY IN THE WORLD
  • 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:44.100
  • WOULD YOU GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL SOCIAL SECURITY DATA? AND I KNOW
  • 00:11:44.110 --> 00:11:50.220
  • A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE COMING IN. -ONE OF THE COMMENTS
  • 00:11:50.230 --> 00:11:53.140
  • THAT CAME IN JUST SAID, JAY, THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO THIS,
  • 00:11:53.150 --> 00:11:55.140
  • DO YOU THINK IT WAS FOR FUTURE INTRUSIONS ON OUR LIBERTIES?
  • 00:11:55.150 --> 00:11:58.130
  • THIS IS FROM CAROLYN. -YES, I DO. I THINK IT WAS, LOOK, THAN,
  • 00:11:58.140 --> 00:12:06.090
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN
  • 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:06.110
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN
  • 00:12:06.110 --> 00:12:06.120
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN
  • 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:06.130
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN
  • 00:12:06.130 --> 00:12:07.160
  • THE DATA BASE. -YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THEY WANTED
  • 00:12:07.170 --> 00:12:09.110
  • TO KNOW WHO GROUP'S DONORS ARE SO THAT THEY CAN PROMULGATE
  • 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.240
  • ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS IN THE FUTURE. SO THEY WENT AFTER THIS
  • 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:13.030
  • WAY OF DOING IT. BUT, JAY, WE JUST NEED TO SAY THIS, THIS IS
  • 00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:15.150
  • THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU ENGAGE THE PROCESS AT EVERY
  • 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:19.210
  • STAGE. IF YOU READ OUR LETTER, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. IT'S VERY
  • 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:24.070
  • IN THE WEEDS. THAT'S WHY WE ENGAGE IT, THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU
  • 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.170
  • CAN SHUT THESE THINGS DOWN BEFORE THEY GET OUT THE DOOR.
  • 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:28.140
  • -LOOK, FOLKS, WHEN YOU ASK DO THE PETITIONS, DO THE LETTERS,
  • 00:12:28.150 --> 00:12:30.200
  • DOES IT MATTER? YEAH! IT MATTERS. BECAUSE WE JUST HAD A
  • 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:33.260
  • HUGE WIN. I'M GOING TO READ YOU WHAT THE IRS SAID: WITHDRAW OF
  • 00:12:33.270 --> 00:12:38.100
  • NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULING. THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE HAS
  • 00:12:38.110 --> 00:12:42.010
  • WITHDRAWN THAT PROPOSAL ON THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. THAT'S
  • 00:12:42.020 --> 00:12:46.190
  • CALLED A HUGE WIN. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD ON THIS ISSUE
  • 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.220
  • WITH THE IRS. AGAIN, 2 BIG WINS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE
  • 00:12:48.230 --> 00:12:51.150
  • DETAILS ON THOSE WHEN WE COME BACK.
  • 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:53.140
  • [BREAK]
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  • BAND PUT TOGETHER A GREAT SONG CALLED "UNDEMOCRATIC". WE'VE
  • 00:12:58.210 --> 00:13:00.030
  • BEEN PLAYING IT IN SOME OF THE BREAKS. WE ARE NOW GOING TO PLAY
  • 00:13:00.040 --> 00:13:02.030
  • YOU THE FULL VERSION OF THIS LYRIC VIDEO. IT WAS BASED ON OUR
  • 00:13:02.040 --> 00:13:06.060
  • BOOK "UNDEMOCRATIC" BUT THE LYRICS REALLY SPEAK TO THIS
  • 00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:08.240
  • GREAT WIN WE JUST HAD TODAY AGAINST THE IRS. SO YOU'LL WANT
  • 00:13:08.250 --> 00:13:13.160
  • TO TAKE A LISTEN TO THIS.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • STRUMMIN' ON MY GIBSON
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  • SINGIN' MY SONG NOW HOPING THAT THE FEDS WON'T TAKE IT AWAY NOW
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • I USED TO THINK AMERICAN WAS HAVING A VOICE NOW I'M IN A
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  • WORLD OF TROUBLE JUST FOR MAKING THAT CHOICE
  • 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.090
  • [MUSIC]
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  • WE'RE GOING
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  • DOWN AS WE FOLLOW DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE WE'RE LOSING GROUND
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  • AND JUST A LITTLE MORE OF OUR SOULS NOW WE'RE WRONG IF WE'RE
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:04.110
  • RIGHT IT'S BECOME SYSTEMATIC NOW WE KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE
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  • UNDEMOCRATIC COME ON
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • YOU TOOK THE LEAD TO ACT BY WHAT YOU
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  • WANTED TO DO ONLY TROUBLE IS NOBODY VOTED FOR YOU NO, NO, NO
  • 00:14:29.030 --> 00:14:38.290
  • DEMOCRACY IN MOTION MEANS THE RIGHT TO TAKE SIDES SINCE WHEN
  • 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.220
  • IS ONE REWARDED FOR THE EMAILS SHE HIDES
  • 00:14:41.230 --> 00:14:47.250
  • [MUSIC]
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  • WAS IT SO LONG
  • 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:51.150
  • AGO THAT WE FORGOT HOW TO PUT UP A FIGHT DON'T YOU BACK DOWN
  • 00:14:51.160 --> 00:14:55.220
  • BREAK DOWN OR GIVE GROUND FROM THE THINGS YOU KNOW IN YOUR
  • 00:14:55.230 --> 00:14:59.030
  • HEART TO BE RIGHT NOW THE 3 LETTER WORDS HAVE BECOME
  • 00:14:59.040 --> 00:15:04.050
  • PROBLEMATIC AND OUR LEADERS IT SEEMS SMELL OF MELODRAMTIC NOW
  • 00:15:04.060 --> 00:15:10.050
  • I'M WRONG IF I'M RIGHT IT'S BECOME SYSTEMATIC NOW WE KNOW
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  • HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE UNDEMOCRATIC
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • WE'VE GOT
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  • TO RESIST JUST THROWING HANDS IN THE AIR WE NEED TO REFORM THE
  • 00:15:40.130 --> 00:15:41.280
  • PIECE IS ALREADY THERE A CHANCE TO RESTORE WHAT'S GREAT WITHOUT
  • 00:15:41.290 --> 00:15:45.140
  • ANY FEAR WHEN COMMON SENSE IS COMMON HERE IT'S SUCH A CRIME
  • 00:15:45.150 --> 00:15:51.050
  • AND OUR MONEY IS ALREADY SPENT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT IT CAN'T
  • 00:15:51.060 --> 00:15:57.060
  • BE WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT NOW I'M WRONG IF I'M RIGHT IT'S BECOME
  • 00:15:57.070 --> 00:16:03.120
  • SYSTEMATIC NOW WE KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE UNDEMOCRATIC
  • 00:16:03.130 --> 00:16:09.190
  • CITIES BURN, NOTHING LEARNED AND IT'S JUST SYMPTOMATIC OF A
  • 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:15.000
  • NATION THAT DEEMS ITSELF TO LIVE UNDEMOCRATIC AND WE'RE WRONG IF
  • 00:16:15.010 --> 00:16:20.020
  • WE'RE RIGHT AND CALLED OVERDRAMATIC WHEN WE SAY HOW IT
  • 00:16:20.030 --> 00:16:25.180
  • FEELS TO LIVE UNDEMOCRATIC YEAH
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW : I LIKE THAT
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  • SONG. IT GROWS ON YOU KNOW, IT'S A 1960-70 ROCKER. IT'S
  • 00:16:51.130 --> 00:16:53.020
  • CALLED "UNDEMOCRATIC". IT'S AN ORIGINAL BY THE JAY SEKULOW
  • 00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:54.260
  • BAND. AVAILABLE ON ITUNES I BELIEVE. LOGAN SEKULOW: ITUNES,
  • 00:16:54.270 --> 00:16:57.280
  • SPOTIFY, ANYWHERE YOU GET DIGITAL MUSIC IT'S AVAILABLE
  • 00:16:57.290 --> 00:17:01.000
  • THERE. -AND DON'T FORGET THE PODCAST THAT WE WERE IN THE TOP
  • 00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:03.080
  • 100. -THAT'S RIGHT. WE WERE IN THE TOP 2 YESTERDAY. IT WAS
  • 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:07.090
  • CRAZY AND WE STILL ARE IN THE TOP PODCAST SLOTS. IT'S REALLY
  • 00:17:07.100 --> 00:17:11.000
  • AMAZING; THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. WOULD YOU SAY PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:17:11.010 --> 00:17:13.010
  • NOTICING IN THE TECH INDUSTRY? -PEOPLE ARE NOTICING IN THE
  • 00:17:13.020 --> 00:17:15.290
  • TECH INDUSTRY. I'VE GOT TWEETS FROM RANDOM PEOPLE. I'M DOING AN
  • 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:21.030
  • INTERVIEW ON A RANDOM TECH WEBSITE, POSSIBLY SOMEONE WITH
  • 00:17:21.040 --> 00:17:23.170
  • APPLE TO EXPLAIN HOW THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, HOW THEIR
  • 00:17:23.180 --> 00:17:25.060
  • ALGORITHMS WORK TO FEATURE DIFFERENT THINGS. IT SHOULD BE
  • 00:17:25.070 --> 00:17:27.010
  • GREAT. I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THAT DOES HAPPEN. JANICE IS CALLING
  • 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:29.260
  • FROM DENVER, CO. YOU'RE ON THE AIR JANICE. -HEY, JANICE. -HI,
  • 00:17:29.270 --> 00:17:32.110
  • JAY. THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. -SURE. -I WAS JUST WONDERING,
  • 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:35.160
  • I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER HEARD, WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH LOIS
  • 00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:38.000
  • LERNER? AND WHAT WERE HER REPERCUSSIONS? -SHE BASICALLY
  • 00:17:38.010 --> 00:17:42.120
  • RESIGNED. SHE WAS NOT PROSECUTED. IN MY VIEW, THAN,
  • 00:17:42.130 --> 00:17:45.030
  • SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT, BUT WE BEAT THE IRS BACK. WE GOT THE
  • 00:17:45.040 --> 00:17:49.250
  • TAX EXEMPTIONS. THIS IS ERIC HOLDER AT A PRESS CONFERENCE
  • 00:17:49.260 --> 00:17:53.090
  • WHEN ALL THIS BROKE. LISTEN TO HIS OUTRAGE AND HE'S THE ONE
  • 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:57.190
  • WHO, BY THE WAY, BROUGHT UP THIS COULD BE CRIMINAL. IT WAS ERIC
  • 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.220
  • HOLDER THAT SAID IT. TAKE A LISTEN: -I HAVE ORDERED IN
  • 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:03.260
  • INVESTIGATION TO BE BEGUN. THE FBI IS COORDINATING WITH THE
  • 00:18:03.270 --> 00:18:06.220
  • JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF ANY LAWS WERE BROKEN IN CONNECTION
  • 00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:09.050
  • WITH THOSE MATTERS RELATED TO THE IRS. THOSE WERE, I THINK AS
  • 00:18:09.060 --> 00:18:13.030
  • EVERYONE CAN AGREE, IF NOT CRIMINAL, THEY WERE CERTAINLY
  • 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:16.240
  • OUTRAGEOUS AND UNACCEPTABLE. -HERE WAS THE PROBLEM: AS WE
  • 00:18:16.250 --> 00:18:20.040
  • DID THE CASE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE FOUND OUT? GUESS WHO WAS IN
  • 00:18:20.050 --> 00:18:22.290
  • COLLUSION WITH THE IRS? THE FBI AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
  • 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.120
  • SO JANICE, NOTHING HAPEPENED TO LOIS LERNER. BUT OUR CLIENTS DID
  • 00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:29.170
  • GET THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS; 95% OF THEM. AND WE'RE ARE
  • 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:31.270
  • CONTINUING TO LITIGATE AGAINST THEM IN FEDERAL COURT AND WE
  • 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:35.100
  • JUST WON ON THE REGULATORY ISSUE THIS WEEK AND WE BEAT THE IRS IN
  • 00:18:35.110 --> 00:18:39.050
  • NEW HAMPSHIRE IN OUR FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. WE'RE
  • 00:18:39.060 --> 00:18:42.040
  • EXPOSING THE IRS FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WE'RE GOING TO
  • 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:44.190
  • CONTINUE TO PUT THAT INTO PLAY. -LET'S GO BACK TO THE PHONES.
  • 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.210
  • BARBARA IS CALLING FROM FLAT ROCK, NC. AND THIS TIES INTO A
  • 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:50.230
  • COMMENT WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD ON PERISCOPE, SOMEONE SAID WHEN
  • 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.180
  • THEY REALIZED THEY COULDN'T GET THE FULL HOUR OF JAY SEKULOW
  • 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:55.010
  • LIVE, THEY DOWNLOADED PERISCOPE IMMEDIATELY AND FOUND US THERE.
  • 00:18:55.020 --> 00:18:57.020
  • SO BARBARA, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW LIVE. -HI, BARBARA.
  • 00:18:57.030 --> 00:18:59.230
  • -OH, HI. AND I AM SO THANKFUL I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT I CAN HEAR
  • 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:04.110
  • YOU ON FACEBOOK. -YEAH, GREAT! -AND THE THING IS EVERY DAY IS
  • 00:19:04.120 --> 00:19:09.000
  • A LEARNING EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I HEAR THINGS I'M SHOCKED BECAUSE
  • 00:19:09.010 --> 00:19:13.220
  • I DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT AROUND HERE. SO I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:17.220
  • ON TOP OF THINGS. -SO YOU'RE WATCHING US, BARBARA, ON
  • 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:23.080
  • FACEBOOK? -I BEG YOUR PARDON? -YOU'RE WATCHING US ON
  • 00:19:23.090 --> 00:19:25.000
  • FACEBOOK? -YES. YES, I DO. -THAT'S GREAT. -IT'S JUST BEEN
  • 00:19:25.010 --> 00:19:27.270
  • SUCH A BLESSING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT
  • 00:19:27.280 --> 00:19:31.030
  • ARE GOING ON. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. -BEFORE YOU ASK YOUR
  • 00:19:31.040 --> 00:19:35.100
  • QUESTION, I WANT YOU TO ASK YOUR QUESTION BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU A
  • 00:19:35.110 --> 00:19:37.180
  • QUESTION, BEFORE YOU SAW US ON FACEBOOK, HAD YOU LISTENED TO
  • 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:39.270
  • THE BROADCAST BEFORE OR WERE YOU BRAND NEW TO IT? -YEAH, NOW HOW
  • 00:19:39.280 --> 00:19:48.190
  • DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT? -ABOUT THE IRS RULE? -TO BE
  • 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.290
  • ABLE TO BRING THAT TO US? -LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION FIRST,
  • 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.270
  • I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DID YOU LISTEN TO THE BROADCAST
  • 00:19:54.270 --> 00:19:56.130
  • BEFORE YOU HEARD US ON FACEBOOK OR DID YOU JUST FIND US ON
  • 00:19:56.140 --> 00:19:58.110
  • FACEBOOK? -NO, I DID NOT HEAR YOU BEFORE. -THAT'S GREAT. -I
  • 00:19:58.120 --> 00:20:00.070
  • DID NOT. I JUST, ONE DAY IT JUST SHOWED UP ON MY FACEBOOK JAY
  • 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:02.090
  • SEKULOW LIVE. AND IT WAS LIKE, WOW! -OKAY, GREAT. WELL, YOUR
  • 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:04.120
  • QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE. HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE NEW IRS
  • 00:20:04.130 --> 00:20:07.260
  • RULE? AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BIG OFFICE IN WASHINGTON
  • 00:20:07.270 --> 00:20:10.250
  • D.C. HEADED BY A VERY TALENTED GUY NAMED THAN BENNETT, WHO'S
  • 00:20:10.260 --> 00:20:13.080
  • OUR DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS. AND THAN, WE WATCH, WE
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:15.240
  • LOOK FOR THESE THINGS, ACTUALLY. -I MEAN, THIS IS WHY WE EXIST,
  • 00:20:15.250 --> 00:20:19.230
  • JAY, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE AMERICAN DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME
  • 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.210
  • OR THE INTEREST TO DIG THROUGH THE FEDERAL REGISTER AND READ
  • 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:29.040
  • ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE PROMULGATED. THERE'S A LOT OF
  • 00:20:29.050 --> 00:20:31.240
  • THEM. I MEAN, LET ME JUST TELL THE CALLER, THIS ONE WAS IRS
  • 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:33.020
  • REGULATION 138344-13. I WOULD GUESS NOBODY LISTENING TO THIS
  • 00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:34.240
  • SHOW READ THAT REGULATION BUT WE DID. AND WE ENGAGED. -I'M
  • 00:20:34.250 --> 00:20:36.230
  • SHOWING IT TO FACEBOOK AND PERISCOPE SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY
  • 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.050
  • SEE IT. I'M GOING TO SHOW IT TO OUR AUDIENCE THAT'S ON OUR
  • 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:41.220
  • WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE ACTUAL. THERE IT IS ON FACEBOOK
  • 00:20:41.230 --> 00:20:44.270
  • AND PERISCOPE. FOR OUR AUDIENCE ON T.V., THERE IT IS. GIVE THEM
  • 00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:52.020
  • THAT NUMBER AGAIN, THAN. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER OF THE REG? -IRS
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  • REG 138344-13. -BUT WE FOUND IT, BARBARA, BECAUSE WE WENT TO
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  • WORK ON THIS. SO WE'RE THRILLED THAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO US ON
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  • FACEBOOK AND WE'RE GOING TO SEND YOU A COPY OF OUR BRAND NEW BOOK
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  • AS WELL "UNDEMOCRATIC". SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT OUT TO YOU.
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  • -WE DO HAVE COMMENTS COMING IN. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CHIMED IN
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  • BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPEPENING ON FACEBOOK AND PERISCOPE AND,
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  • OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE DOWNLOADING THE ACLJ APP RIGHT
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  • NOW. -THAT'S GREAT. -ALRIGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO THE PHONES.
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  • LET'S GO TO CHIQUITA WHO'S CALLING FROM OREGON ON LINE
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  • THREE. CHIQUITA, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW LIVE. -YOU ARE ON THE
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  • AIR. -YES, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW
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  • IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE, THE PUBLIC, CAN DO TO ASSIST
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  • YOU IN HELPING US OUT LIKE YOU'RE DOING? -WELL, HERE'S THE
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  • THING, ON THE IRS, I THINK THE MATTER SUCCESSFULLY RESOLVED.
  • 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.050
  • PEOPLE SPOKE OUT AND WE WERE GETTING IT RESOLVED. AND JORDAN,
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  • THIS GOES TO THE POINT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING THAT WHEN YOU
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  • SPEAK, WE FIND THESE REGULATIONS, AS THAN SAID, LET
  • 00:21:46.080 --> 00:21:50.120
  • ME GET THAT NUMBER, THIS WAS REGULATION #138344-13. BUT WE
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  • FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. WE WENT TO WORK ON IT AND BECAUSE WE'RE
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  • ABLE TO USE OUR MEDIA THIS WAY EFFECTIVELY, JORDAN, WE'RE ABLE
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  • TO GET THIS RESOLVED. AND WE, LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDER.
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  • I HAD THE FIRST ORDER AND THEN THIS ONE. THIS IS MY FAVORITE
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  • ONE, THE NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING IS WITHDRAWN. SO THE IRS
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  • GAVE UP. AND JORDAN, THAT'S HOW YOU WIN THESE THINGS. -YEAH,
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  • YOU PUSH BACK AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE'S
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  • 1.000S OF THESE REGULATIONS BUT THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE THE PUBLIC
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  • COMMENTS. IT'S VERY RARE FOR THEM TO GET THIS MANY AND FROM
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  • THIS WIDE VARIETY OF GROUPS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM FROM THOSE
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  • GROUPS YOU COULD SAY HAVE AN IDEOLOGY OR ARE CONSIDERED
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  • LIBERAL, BUT ALSO JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT CHARITABLE
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  • ORGANIZATIONS THAT EXIST, RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR
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  • ORGANIZATIONS THAT EXIT OUR THERE, TO HELP PEOPLE, THAT HAVE
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  • A CHARITABLE EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE. AND ULTIMATELY IT'S
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  • ABOUT TAKING IT PUBLIC WHEN NECESSARY AND FIGHTING BACK THAT
  • 00:22:44.190 --> 00:22:47.120
  • WAY. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO FIGHT
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  • BACK AGAINST THESE PROPOSED IRS RULES. AND OF COURSE, POLITICAL
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  • CHANGE, THESE ARE ULTIMATELY SET BY WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE
  • 00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:58.060
  • FEDERAL AGENCIES IN TRYING TO MAKE THESE MOVES. SO IF YOU HAD,
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  • AGAIN, THE RIGHT KIND OF ADMINISTRATION IN, THE RIGHT
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  • KIND OF OCCUPANT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THEN THIS WOULDN'T GET SO
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  • FAR. THERE MAY BE PLENTY OF BUREAUCRATS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO
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  • IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS EVEN AT THE
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  • PUBLIC COMMENTARY STAGE. LET'S GRAB ANOTHER CALL. LAST CALL OF
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  • THE SEGMENT. -LAST CALL OF THE SHOW TODAY, JODY IS CALLING FROM
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  • IOWA ON LINE FIVE. JODY, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW LIVE. THANKS FOR
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  • CALLING. -HI, JODY. -HI, I'M JUST WONDERING, THE OTHER
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  • CANDIDATES ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOLISHING THE IRS AND OTHER
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  • GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? -YES IF YOU GET
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  • A FLAT TAX OR FAIR TAX TO SIMPLIFY THE INTERNAL REVENUE
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  • CODE, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH I THINK YOU CAN REDUCE
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  • THE IRS TO A NON-MENACING AGENCY. IT WOULD BE AN
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  • INFORMATION AGENCY. AND IT WOULD JUST BE A STRAIGHT FORWARD FAIR
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  • TAX, FLAT TAX, I'M A PROPONENT OF A FLAT TAX. I DON'T WANT
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  • VALUE ADDED TAXES. I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO DO. AND I
  • 00:23:51.050 --> 00:23:53.290
  • THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YES, WE CAN. THE IRS AS AN
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  • INSTITUTION AS WE KNOW IT CANNOT CONTINUE TO GO THIS WAY. PERIOD.
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  • END OF DISCUSSION. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO DO IT FOR THE BROADCAST
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  • TODAY. I WANT TO THANK THE ENTIRE FAMILY AT THE TRINITY
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  • BROADCASTING NETWORK. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BROADCASTING THIS
  • 00:24:06.290 --> 00:24:09.130
  • PROGRAM ON TBN FOR, I THINK, CLOSE TO 25 YEARS. AND YOU SAW
  • 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:12.160
  • TODAY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER AND GET
  • 00:24:12.170 --> 00:24:14.270
  • RESOLUTIONS LIKE WE DID AGAINST THE IRS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
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  • LOOK, WE WANT YOU TO SUPPORT AND PRAY FOR THE WORK OF TBN, BUT
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:21.180
  • SUPPORT THE WORK OF TBN AS WELL. WE'RE ABLE TO BRING YOU THIS
  • 00:24:21.190 --> 00:24:24.020
  • BROADCAST EACH AND EVERY WEEK, NO CHARGE TO THE ACLJ. THAT
  • 00:24:24.030 --> 00:24:27.290
  • MEANS WE'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE JUST DID IN WASHINGTON D.C.
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  • BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR AIRTIME. YOUR SUPPORT OF THE
  • 00:24:29.260 --> 00:24:32.120
  • TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK KEEPS THE ACLJ PROGRAM, JAY
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  • SEKULOW LIVE, ON THE AIR EACH AND EVERY WEEK COMING INTO YOUR
  • 00:24:35.090 --> 00:24:37.150
  • HOME. SO AGAIN, A HUGE WIN. A HUGE THANK YOU. SUPPORT TBN.
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  • CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND PRAY FOR OUR LAWYERS AS WELL AND OUR
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  • TEAMS HERE AND AROUND THE GLOBE. WE'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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