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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: January 29, 2025 | Allen Jackson | January 29, 2025
- Well good
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- Evening, i'm alan jackson, and welcome back to nashville.
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- You don't have to travel
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- To a distant country to find division, hate and racism.
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- It's all around us. well, fortunately.
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- So our efforts to fight against them.
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- It was just days ago
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- That marchers descended on washington
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- For international holocaust remembrance day.
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- It's an annual event to remind us
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- All of the human capacity for evil.
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- Tragically, the anti-semitism is brought
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- Forth by an event like that, and we see the hatred
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- Of the jewish people is still alive
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- And well just below the surface, even in our nation.
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- On american campuses, this has been
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- A season of protest by students
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- Who support israel and those who support
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- The efforts of the terrorist group hamas.
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- It's almost beyond imagination that people will campaign
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- On behalf of terrorist, whose stated objective
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- Is the annihilation of the jewish people,
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- And yet it's a reality amongst us
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- In the middle east as the fragile peace continues.
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- U.s. intelligence sources
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- Estimate that hamas has used the pause in combat
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- To recruit more than 15,000 additional fighters.
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- So far, the promised exchange of hostages for prisoners
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- Goes on, but the world awaits understanding.
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- It's a very tenuous agreement.
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- The tension of hatred lurks over the temporary pause
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- In the conflict,
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- And one of the principal ingredients in that hatred
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- Is the aforementioned anti-semitism,
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- Hostility against the jews.
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- It's nothing new.
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- You find examples across history,
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- But it continues to find fertile ground
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- Around the world, including here in the united states.
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- Well, our guest tonight has studied that philosophy of hate
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- From several perspectives as a scholar, a journalist,
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- And as a government official.
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- Ellie cohen served at the state department
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- In the first trump administration.
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- She's an expert on the middle east,
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- Especially israel and iran, where she was born.
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- I'm so glad you could join us for the program.
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- Ellie, welcome to nashville.
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- Thank you.
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- Pastor. it's so wonderful to be with you.
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- Thank you for having me on.
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- Well, we are delighted to have the time with you to start.
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- Tell me, if you will,
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- What you think of the current ceasefire,
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- Or are you pleased with its progress?
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- Pastor, i am pleased with the progress.
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- And i think that, most importantly, the israeli people
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- Are thrilled from everything i've been observing,
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- Watching israeli television, israeli social media.
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- As you know, pastor allen, there is there is,
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- A thought in the bible, in the jewish tradition
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- That every life that's saved
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- Is like a universe that has been saved.
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- And so, you know,
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- When we see these young women
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- Coming out of the tunnels of gaza,
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- Understanding the hell that they've been through and,
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- Seeing them reunited with their families, their loved
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- Ones, all of israel society is celebrating right now.
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- And so, certainly, we know that this hostage deal
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- Is incredibly impactful, important for israel.
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- And, again, israeli society and and really world jewry.
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- Everyone is celebrating right now.
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- So i think that, this deal has been critical for,
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- For israel, for the jewish people.
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- And, it's a multi-phase deal.
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- So phase two and phase three, i think we'll have to,
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- Suspend judgment and see if it pulls through.
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- A friend of israel sent me
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- Some video of those four young women
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- When they were reunited with their families.
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- It was truly remarkable, as if their families
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- Had received them back from the dead.
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- It's a remarkable gift to the families
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- And to all of israel.
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- I think when i watch it unfold.
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- Exactly right. exactly right.
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- And, israeli society has gone through
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- Just the worst that anyone could imagine,
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- As, you know, as your audience knows, since october 7th.
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- October 7th was the deadliest,
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- Massacre of the jewish people since the holocaust.
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- And so seeing these, hostages returned to israel
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- And to the embrace of their families,
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- I think it has been just, a small ray of light in,
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- Some of the most painful days, for all of israel.
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- I mean, were you at all surprised by events so far?
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- Maybe. what hopes do you have for the future?
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- I have to say, i think it it's also been
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- Just dark times for these past four years.
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- And, the beginning of the trump administration,
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- I think, is giving a lot of hope for many millions of people
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- Worldwide, including here at home in the united states.
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- I can share with you some of, of the executive orders
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- That we've seen issued from the trump administration
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- Already, from president trump and the white house,
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- That i think has been giving hope to a lot of people,
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- Including the executive order that, gives the united states
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- A pathway to, expel and deport any,
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- Any immigrants or migrants who are in the united states
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- Who are expressing support for foreign terrorist
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- Organizations, hamas and hezbollah.
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- And that is what we've been seeing unfold
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- Across our campuses, sadly, since october 7th
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- Is a lot of support for these foreign terrorist organizations.
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- And, and so the trump
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- Administration is now giving the pathway
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- For the united states authorities
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- To, deport these people from from our campuses
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- And from our streets.
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- And so i think that, besides
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- Giving again, the authorities the ability to, to deport
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- Those who are expressing support
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- For foreign terrorist organizations,
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- What this executive order does also is create a cultural shift
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- Where the message of the united states is giving
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- Is that we will not harbor those who support
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- Terrorists and those who want to see
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- Genocide committed against the jewish people,
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- Those who are calling for, you know,
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- From the river to the sea, expulsion
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- Of of the jewish presence in the middle east.
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- And so this is a huge, sea shift
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- That we're going to experience, i think, in, in the days
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- Ahead of us in the united states.
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- It's a welcome change
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- From the trump administration, from president trump himself.
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- You know, i know we all pray for the peace of jerusalem
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- Or i hope we do.
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- But is there a realistic chance that a lasting peace
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- Can be achieved?
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- Well, pastor, i
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- Would really honored, to be,
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- Served as deputy envoy to combat anti-semitism
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- In the first trump administration.
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- And in that role, i was i played a small part
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- In what we call the warm peace team, and that was a team
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- That worked on what eventually would become
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- The abraham accords, peace deals.
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- And, and so, you know, i was, honored and privileged
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- To be a part of that history that president trump
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- And the team made in terms of bringing peace to the region,
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- The first peace deal in the region
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- At that time in 26 years.
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- I have no doubt that, president trump is going to prioritize
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- Bringing further peace to the region.
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- He has told us that this is a priority for him.
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- And at the end of the first trump
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- Administration, president trump announced
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- That there were at least 8 to 10 countries that were ready
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- At that time to, to make peace deals with israel,
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- To, to, have more normalization with israel.
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- And so, without a doubt,
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- This is something that we're going to see.
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- President trump work on.
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- I just have no,
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- No doubt that this is a priority for the president.
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- What what he's doing right now,
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- Though, is stabilizing the region, right?
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- President trump is stabilizing the region.
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- He's working on the ceasefire with hamas.
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- He's, he's
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- Working on the ceasefire between israel and lebanon.
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- And so once we have kind of like a stability in the region,
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- I think i think we will see the trump administration work on
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- Further peace deals.
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- Now, the kingdom of saudi arabia is certainly,
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- It is the crown jewel.
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- It's it's the ultimate peace deal
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- That everybody wants to see normalization
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- Between the kingdom, saudi arabia and israel.
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- The reason for that is that,
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- The saudis are considered the holder of islam.
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- They are the country that has mecca and medina
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- In, in their country.
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- And so as the holder of islam,
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- The kingdom of saudi arabia, whatever they do,
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- They are the ultimate leaders for the entire muslim world.
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- And so when the saudis,
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- Make peace a host, i hope for peace with israel.
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- What they will do is they will green light
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- For the entire muslim world to follow that lead.
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- And so that is going to really change history as we know it.
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- And, and i know that if there's anyone
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- Who can make that happen, it is president donald trump.
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- And, and so, you know, i expect that,
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- That work that he, he did in the first administration
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- To pave the path for peace, i have no doubt
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- That president trump will continue to do that.
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- And again, if there's anyone who can make that history
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- Happen, it is president trump.
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- Well, we'll be back with ellie cohen after a short break.
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- If you'd like to jump in on this conversation,
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- You can use this time to write us an email.
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- So into the comments at alan jackson now.com.
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- We'll be right back.
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- We'll be right back.
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- Welcome back to nashville.
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- We're talking with ellie cohen.
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- She's a scholar of the middle east
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- And an expert on the painful subject of anti-semitism.
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- Well, the holocaust is more than 80 years behind us,
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- But it's still cast a long and painful shadow.
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- You and many others
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- Worked ceaselessly to make sure we'll never forget.
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- Do you think there's a danger
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- That we could lose touch with the horrors of that?
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- Pastor, i can't thank you enough for, raising this subject.
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- As you know,
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- Just yesterday
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- We marked international holocaust remembrance day.
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- There were ceremonies that took place
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- Across the united states at the united nations,
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- In poland, which was, the location of the,
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- Auschwitz-birkenau liberation memorial.
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- And, and in israel as well,
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- I am incredibly
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- Concerned about the next generation,
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- Forgetting about the holocaust, not learning
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- The lessons of the holocaust.
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- What we're finding is that americans in particular,
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- Can't name any of the death camps.
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- They, don't know how many jews were murdered
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- Or that jews were murdered at all
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- In, in a genocide that was, just,
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- One of the darkest periods of world history.
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- I also think, one of the lessons that's lost
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- On, on the international community
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- Is something that ambassador ronald lauder
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- Spoke about at the, ceremony in poland yesterday,
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- Which is that jews are the canary in the coal mine.
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- The the hatred that begins
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- With the jew never ends with the jew.
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- We lost 6 million jews in the holocaust.
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- But does your audience know that 60 million people
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- Were killed during the holocaust and world war two?
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- That devastation that took place of
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- 60 million and others that were killed
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- As, as a part of world war two and the holocaust,
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- That devastation took place because world leaders
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- Did not bring a stop up to to hitler and the nazis.
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- They didn't stop the anti-semitism
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- And the jewish hate.
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- When it was starting in germany
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- And spreading all across europe.
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- So i think one of the key lessons
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- For the international community, for my christian friends,
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- For everyone who's listening right now,
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- Is that it's so imperative to stop jew
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- Hate at the beginning when it's first, raising its ugly head
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- Because, the devastation never stops with jews.
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- It hits everyone and it wreaks havoc on societies.
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- It allows anti-semitism to flourish.
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- And so that, to me, is one of the key
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- Lessons of the holocaust.
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- It's it's it's not a jewish problem.
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- It's an everyone problem.
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- I agree.
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- Know there's a biblical phrase that tells us
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- To train up the children in the way they should go.
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- In israel,
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- I think they do a much better job of training the generations,
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- As they're coming up
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- To be familiar
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- With the history of the jewish people, the holocaust.
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- How can we do
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- A better job of that in america to help our younger people
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- Remember history, so we don't repeat those darkest chapters?
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- Well, i
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- Certainly believe that, holocaust education
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- Should be a part of the curriculum.
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- And i know that the united states congress
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- Right now has a bill in front of it to do that.
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- But, pastor, you know, i would argue
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- That what happens in
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- The home is more important than anywhere else.
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- And so, you know, to
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- All of your incredible listeners that are watching
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- And who are with us right now, please talk to your children.
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- And, and your the clergy that are watching right now.
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- Please talk in your churches, about what
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- Took place in, in the holocaust and world war two.
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- But also, you know what what our country has experienced
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- Over this last year, which has been horrific,
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- Horrific anti-semitism with these pro hamas rallies
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- That have taken place all across our country.
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- Talk to the kids about it, about why we cannot let
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- Anti-semitism grow.
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- Why we need to each take a stand.
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- And, you know, every person has a voice and a duty.
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- So, you know, for the kids, it's
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- Maybe speaking out on social media
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- And taking a stance and saying that, you know, they stand
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- With the jewish people,
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- That they stand with their jewish neighbors,
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- That they stand
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- With the jewish state of israel as she fights, seven war,
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- That they stand with the jewish students
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- On campus who are being assaulted.
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- Often times just for the fact that they're jewish.
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- Again, i think that, if each one of us
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- Can, can show courage and bravery,
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- It it means so much to, every american jew.
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- And again, i think that, that what parents teach their kids,
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- What what pastors and, ministers and clergy
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- Speak about in their churches that often can go a long way
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- And even further than, what the government can do.
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- How has the current conflict in israel with hamas
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- And then hezbollah affected the american jewish community?
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- Well, i think that,
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- It has been heartbreaking for american jews, one,
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- To, witness the horrific scenes that came out on october 7th,
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- Often from the hamas terrorists own gopro cameras.
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- We've seen the just the most horrible, images
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- Of what hamas
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- Committed, the atrocities that they committed on october 7th.
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- You know, the the sexual atrocities committed
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- Against women.
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- The slaughter of babies and children and,
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- The again, since it came out of israel on
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- October 7th, have been
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- Some of the most horrific scenes since the holocaust.
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- And then after that passed, we saw october 7th denialism.
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- So again, while it was the terrorists
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- Themselves who captured
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- Much of these scenes on their gopro cameras,
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- And also security cameras and other very verifiable sources
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- That have documented what happened on october 7th.
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- There's also been this wave of denial of the atrocities
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- Of october 7th, just like we seen denial of the holocaust.
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- And then for american jews to, you know, experience
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- This trauma,
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- And then to have a pro
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- Hamas movement take over our country.
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- That has been an additional horror for us.
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- And so,
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- I think and then seeing authorities in a lot of places,
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- You know, i don't want to politicize this,
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- But sadly, it's been many democrat run states and cities
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- Where they've allowed this, lawlessness to take place, where
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- We've seen this pro hamas movement all across the country.
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- And, look, i can point to places like university of texas,
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- A red state where, immediately the,
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- The authorities brought in the police
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- And they shut down
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- Wherever there was violence and lawlessness.
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- So, there are steps that authorities can take,
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- And often we're not seeing it in democrat run states.
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- We are seeing it in republican run states.
- 00:16:37.855 --> 00:16:40.091
- Again, i am hopeful that with this
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- Incoming trump administration, we're going to see
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- A different approach where the lawlessness
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- Is not going to be tolerated.
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- And, and we're going to see this,
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- You know, from the white house and on down.
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- And so i do expect, pastor, that,
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- The country is going to have a different, a different approach
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- When laws are broken and when we're seeing pro terror,
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- Sentiment, it's just not going to be tolerated any longer.
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- Sounds wonderful to me.
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- Well, ellie cohen,
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- Thank you so much for being with us tonight.
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- I've learned a lot, and i'm sure our audience did as well.
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- Pastor, i want to thank you again for having me on
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- And for all the support that we're seeing
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- From our christian friends,
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- Both for jewish americans and for the jewish state of israel.
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- We are so grateful for it.
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- We stand together.
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- In a moment, i'll have some thoughts
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- Of my own to share with you and later, your emails.
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- The inbox is full.
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- We'll be right back.
- 00:17:36.113 --> 00:17:42.006
- We'll be right back.
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- If you visit the holocaust museum in jerusalem,
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- You'll find they have planted
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- Trees on the perimeter of a good bit of the campus
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- In memory of the righteous among the gentiles,
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- The non-jewish people who stood up for the jews
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- During the world war two and the holocaust.
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- The question my israeli friends ask
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- When you're there at that is, why are there so few trees?
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- Well, i believe history helps us understand how we can respond.
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- Today, in my invitation
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- To use to use your voice, to be an advocate
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- For the jewish people, for the state of israel.
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- That will often put you in a minority position,
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- But it will put you in the midst of the purposes of god.
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- I'm quite willing to stand with god,
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- Even if it's not fashionable.
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- And my advocacy for the state of jerusalem
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- And the jewish people and their right to be in
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- That land
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- Is derived from the word of god, and not just my opinion.
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- I hope you'll join me in that.
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- If you have jewish friends in your community,
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- Use your voice to tell them you're praying for them,
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- That you.
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- It's a delight to stand with them
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- And to see the purposes
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- Of the nation of israel emerge in this generation.
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- We'll do that.
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- There's more reasons for hope than despair.
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- I promise we'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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- I promise we'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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- Thank you for
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- Your emails, your thoughts and perspectives.
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- They are valuable to us.
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- Catherine wrote.
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- Thank you for your good ministries
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- That help us understand
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- The world we live in from a judeo-christian perspective.
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- Please help us understand why the mass
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- Deportations of illegals is not against christian values.
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- I need to know how to think about these actions
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- And how to respond to statements and questions addressed to me
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- By people trying to either understand or undermine.
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- It's a really good question, catherine,
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- And i think it's centered in that world.
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- Word illegal.
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- Anything that begins with illegal,
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- We don't want to overlook or encourage more of.
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- If you're making illegal withdrawals from the bank,
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- Even if you're doing them
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- For what you imagine to be good motives.
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- If you're going to help people, if you're going to be generous,
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- If you're going to feed the poor,
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- It's still illegal and you're stealing someone else's money.
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- Well, illegal immigration,
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- Everything that comes after the word illegal is destructive.
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- It's not compassionate.
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- There's a lot of voices trying to bring confusion.
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- I think we can find clarity in the midst of it.
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- Thank you for your email.
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- I'm alan jackson, and i pray you have a wonderful
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