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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: January 30, 2025 | Allen Jackson Now | January 30, 2025
- Well good
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- Evening, i'm alan jackson, and welcome back to nashville.
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- There's no question that president trump is large
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- And in charge in the white house.
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- Just ask the president of columbia
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- Who tried to push back on the migrant issue
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- And then quickly folded his tent when mr.
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- Trump upped the ante with the threat of big tariffs,
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- Or asked the leadership in greenland
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- If they really think they'll win,
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- If they go up against the president.
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- But i suspect it'll be a much bigger challenge
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- If president trump tries to tangle with china.
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- There are great challenges that need to be addressed.
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- It's a long list.
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- The significant increase in chinese trying to enter the u.s.
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- Illegally.
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- 37,000 were apprehended in just one year.
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- China is trying to undermine u.s.
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- Technology with a claim
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- Of launching an ai app for only $5 million.
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- The chinese spies who were trying to suppress
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- Pro-democracy chinese americans in the us.
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- China is building
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- More car plants in mexico to avoid tariffs again claiming
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- That the cars were made in mexico.
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- Several states
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- Are now banning land ownership of chinese nationals,
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- Especially near our u.s.
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- Military bases.
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- The considerable build up of the chinese military
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- With their eye on taiwan and more of southeast asia.
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- With all of that said,
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- The new secretary of state, marco rubio,
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- Had an initial phone conversation
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- With china's foreign minister
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- Just a few days after president trump was sworn in.
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- Well, it's surely helpful that they talked.
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- The reports and how it went suggests
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- That each side simply stated previous us-china arguments.
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- Rubio brought up the taiwan threat, and wang yi reportedly
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- Tried to claim that taiwan
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- Has been a part of china's territory since ancient times.
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- Yeah.
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- Which means it's our time to check in with our friend
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- Gordon chang.
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- There's no one who understands how the chinese work
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- Better than gordon.
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- Welcome back to our show, sir.
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- Thank you so much, alan.
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- Gordon, you have often said that the chinese are prepared
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- To play the long game and will wait out mr.
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- Trump or anyone who tries to push them around.
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- Can you start by giving us your overview
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- Of how the chinese
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- President trump versus
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- The rather easy past they seem to have with joe biden?
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- I think beijing and jinping in particular, are apprehensive
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- Because they know that there's a new sheriff in town,
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- As they saw during trump's first term.
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- They're not going to be able to push the united states around
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- Like they did under biden,
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- Where they had their way with the white house.
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- So i think china is preparing for a very difficult four years.
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- And i'm very happy that president trump is willing
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- To give them that very difficult four years,
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- Because we need to start defending ourselves
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- Because the chinese believe during the biden years
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- That they could do anything they want.
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- And matter of fact, they tried to do
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- Almost everything during those four year period.
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- Well, it's reported that the chinese government
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- Is prepared to take back
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- Some of the chinese nationals who are here illegally.
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- Some have been accused of working
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- With mexican drug lords to set up fentanyl production.
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- Others are here to spy.
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- Should we believe their government
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- When they say they'll take some of these bad guys back.
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- They might take them back.
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- They've done that in the past.
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- But they're not going to take back
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- The people that we should be sending.
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- So, for instance, you know, we have seen
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- Some of these migrants
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- Come across under very suspicious circumstances.
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- So, for instance, border patrol has seen packs
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- Of chinese males all with the same kit.
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- And that's an indication that they use our military
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- Or they are
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- Ministry of state security or there's some other officials.
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- And they're here for no good.
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- You know, many chinese
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- Migrants are just desperate chinese.
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- They wanted to escape the communist system
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- And live in freedom.
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- We don't want to send them back,
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- But we certainly want to send the tens of thousands, perhaps,
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- Of military personnel who have infiltrated into the us.
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- Well, president trump is
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- Furious with the fact that china has done
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- Nothing to address the fentanyl problem.
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- And as a result, he now has big plans
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- For leveling the playing field with china.
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- Listen to how he put it.
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- We're talking about a,
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- A tariff of 10%
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- On china, based on the fact that they're
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- Sending fentanyl to mexico and canada.
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- Until i was president, china never paid
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- Not $0.10 to the united states with me.
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- They paid hundreds of $600 billion or so or more.
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- More than that, even of tariffs.
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- And if i didn't do that, you wouldn't have a steel
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- Mill open.
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- So it worked with china once,
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- But could it work again?
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- I think that it will.
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- And the reason is that china right now
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- Is in a desperate position.
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- In 2018, when president trump first
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- Imposed his section 301 tariffs on china,
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- China was actually doing okay in terms of its economy.
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- Right now, though, the chinese economy is
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- Not growing at the 5.0% base that they claimed for last year.
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- It's probably somewhere around zero.
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- And c jinping, it has only one plan to rescue
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- A desperate situation, and that is to export more.
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- And he can't replace the us market
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- Because we're the biggest in the world.
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- So right now,
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- Xi jinping realizes that he's in a pretty weak position
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- When it comes to negotiations and discussions
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- With the trump administration.
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- You know, i'm old enough to remember the soviet union,
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- And i think the united states
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- In general understood that the soviet union was a threat.
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- I don't believe
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- The general public understands that about china today.
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- Why are we so slow to recognize
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- The threat that china poses to our freedom and liberty?
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- That's a great question.
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- And there are a number of answers for it.
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- There are some americans who have a direct interest
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- In doing business with china,
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- So they certainly aren't going to talk about a chinese threat.
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- But also during the biden years,
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- You know,
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- The president
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- In private discussions, he was actually quite candid
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- About china,
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- But he absolutely refused to have those discussions
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- With the american people as a whole.
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- And i think that was an
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- Abrogation of his most important constitutional duty,
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- Which is to protect the united states from foreign attack.
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- So i would like to see, president trump
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- Have those candid conversations with us because, you know,
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- The chinese are preparing to go to war.
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- They're preparing to kill americans.
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- And we need to know that
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- So that we can prepare to defend our society.
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- And it's not just over there.
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- It's over here, as you pointed out, with all of those migrants.
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- Well, i think we have to help the people understand
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- The difference between the chinese government
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- And the chinese people.
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- We can have compassion on one without embracing the communist
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- Chinese government. am i right on that?
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- Oh, absolutely.
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- Because the biggest
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- And the most immediate victims of the communist party of china
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- Are the chinese people themselves.
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- And that's why so many of them
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- Have tried to leave their country,
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- Because they realize that they have no future in china,
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- And they don't want to live under a totalitarian system,
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- The one that xi jinping
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- Has been putting into place relentlessly.
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- So yes, there is that difference.
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- And when mike pompeo was secretary of state,
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- He said that the one type of conversation
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- That got his chinese interlocutors
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- More upset than anything else was when pompeo
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- Talked about talking to the chinese people directly.
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- And so i think that's a real cue to how insecure the regime in
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- Beijing is.
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- Well, the us chinese
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- Relationship is obviously a big piece of our future.
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- So we'll be back with more from gordon chang in just a moment.
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- Tell us what you think the u.s. should do.
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- We'd love to hear your thoughts.
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- You can send the comments at alan jackson now.com.
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- You can send the comments at alan jackson now.com.
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- We're back now with the country's best informed expert
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- On china and its relationship with the u.s., gordon chang.
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- He's also the author of a new book.
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- Your new book is called plan red china's
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- Project to destroy america,
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- In which you describe the chinese leadership
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- Actively working to undermine and destroy the united states.
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- They're using a comprehensive strategy
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- That hits every point of contact in our society.
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- Why are they so intent on taking the united states down?
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- There are a lot of
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- Reasons, but one of them is the regime is insecure.
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- It sees the united states as an existential threat,
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- Not because of anything that we say or do,
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- But because of who we are.
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- They're worried about
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- The inspirational impact of america's
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- Values and form of governance on the chinese people.
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- And so they don't feel that they'll be secure
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- As long as the united states exists.
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- The other reason is that c jinping has been promoting
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- This idea of worldwide chinese rule, and he understands
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- That the united states stands in the way of his ambitions.
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- You know, we just don't want,
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- Everyone in the world having to bow down
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- To the chinese literally and figuratively.
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- And they know the u.s.
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- Won't permit that. so they've got to get rid of us.
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- Well, there's one economic question that's making headlines
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- Now, fresh news
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- That china has been able to enter the
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- Ai race by launching an app called deep seek
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- At a fraction of the cost of its american competitors.
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- Or at least that's what they're saying.
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- China claims they developed it for only $5 million.
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- In addition to hitting wall street hard,
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- The app would be another one that collects data
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- On american users for the chinese leadership.
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- Where do you think this is all headed?
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- Well, you know, this is another tiktok,
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- But only worse because with ai
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- They collect much more information.
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- You know, it is true for all ai systems.
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- They collect data.
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- But china will do this and they'll use it
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- For malicious purposes. blackmail.
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- All the rest of it.
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- So, yeah, we have to worry about, deep seek.
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- No deep seek was very impressive.
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- They were able to accomplish what?
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- It takes us much longer.
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- And much more money.
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- But nonetheless, remember,
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- We have
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- Had so many revolutionary breakthroughs of kids in garages
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- Being able to figure out what big companies couldn't.
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- And i think that that's probably going to happen again.
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- You know, america's ai is not only going to be open ai.
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- You know, sam altman's company, but it's also going to be kids
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- Just doing this in their bedrooms,
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- Figuring out
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- How to create the world's best technology for next to nothing.
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- The chinese just did it.
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- Or at least they claim we could do it again.
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- And i'm sure we will.
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- You know, the
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- Chinese government practices aggressive censorship.
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- Don't we have to assume that
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- If they push forward ai into the marketplace,
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- It's going to reflect a very limited view of china,
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- Or at least
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- The chinese government's view of china and our world.
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- Yeah, we don't have to speculate.
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- You know, people have run searches on
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- Deep sea, on sea, jumping, on tenement square.
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- All sorts of other issues.
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- And they've come back with answers, which you can guess,
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- You know, so clearly, china's views as propagated through
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- Ai are not going to be good for us.
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- And that's one of reasons why i'm
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- So optimistic about the us, because ultimately,
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- Our ai systems are going to be much more open, much more free.
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- And i think that that means people around the world
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- Will want a freer system.
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- They will not want something that has a lot of c
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- Jinping thought in it, as they say in china.
- 00:11:21.973 --> 00:11:25.443
- Yeah, freedom really
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- Is more attractive than an authoritarian government.
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- Thank god.
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- Well, let's move to the new report on the origins of covid.
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- Clearly, the new leadership of
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- The cia is ready to disclose what is known for a while.
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- Listen to the cia director, john ratcliffe.
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- The cia has assessed that the most likely cause of this,
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- Pandemic that has wrought so much devastation around
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- The world was because of a lab related incident in wuhan.
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- And so we'll continue to investigate.
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- That moving forward.
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- But i think it was important for the american people to see,
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- An institution like the cia get off the sidelines and,
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- And be truthful about what
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- Our intelligence shows at the same time
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- Of protecting us from adversaries like china
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- If they caused or contributed to this.
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- There are more than 7 million people who have died
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- And covet is still spreading.
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- In addition, there are millions
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- More suffering long term effects.
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- Many businesses were forced to close.
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- Millions of our children
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- Had their key learning years disrupted.
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- Should we just assume that the chinese will never admit
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- To the lab leak at the wuhan lab
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- And apologize to the rest of the world?
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- They will never admit
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- To the lab leak in wuhan, and they will not apologize.
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- That's just not jinping style.
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- Clearly, what happened was a lab leak.
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- That's almost all the evidence shows
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- That there is almost no evidence for an idea of a zoo,
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- Not a transfer.
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- In other words, a natural transfer from a yunnan
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- Province to, another mammal to, something in wuhan.
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- And also,
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- You know, it's not just the origins of this disease.
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- The other thing is what the chinese did after
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- This disease, got out into the chinese public.
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- They deliberately spread this disease beyond their borders.
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- For instance, they lied about transmissibility.
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- They knew this was highly contagious,
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- But they told the world it was not to lull
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- Other countries into not taking precautions.
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- So this is not just a question of origin.
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- This is a question of what the chinese did after the outbreak.
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- In watching all that unfold in real time,
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- The w.h.o., the world health organization,
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- Seemed to support any narrative that china put out.
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- Do they control that organization?
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- They certainly do.
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- And we know it because in january
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- Of 2020, the w.h.o.,
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- Propagated china's narrative of non
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- Transmissibility, even though senior doctors at the w.h.o.
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- Knew this was a highly contagious disease.
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- So the w.h.o.,
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- Was a complicit part in this plan that china had.
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- And as let's remember, as you said, there are 7 million
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- People outside of china who died from this disease.
- 00:14:04.402 --> 00:14:07.505
- They should have this disease,
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- Should have never left central china.
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- And by the way, that number includes 1.2 million americans.
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- Now the number is is subject to dispute,
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- But any number above zero is completely unacceptable.
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- Amen.
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- Gordon chang, it is always a great learning experience
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- And we have you on our show. thank you. and please come back.
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- I certainly will, ellen, and thank you so much.
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- I really appreciate. it. we'll look forward to it.
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- When i come back, i'll have some thoughts
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- Of my own
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- About what we can do about this constant pushing from china.
- 00:14:36.634 --> 00:14:39.070
- And later, your emails.
- 00:14:39.570 --> 00:14:46.005
- And later, your emails.
- 00:14:46.005 --> 00:14:48.547
- And our experiences together from the last five years
- 00:14:49.614 --> 00:14:53.118
- Have been very insightful,
- 00:14:53.118 --> 00:14:54.319
- But they've also been very different
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- Than any other time in my lifetime.
- 00:14:55.821 --> 00:14:57.522
- At least we faced a pandemic like china.
- 00:14:57.522 --> 00:15:00.726
- The country where it originated,
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- Hid the facts
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- From the world, denied it, did their best to cover it up,
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- And they never suffered
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- Any true consequences for the devastation
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- They unleashed on the rest of the globe.
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- Our church is on the heels of that were told to close,
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- And we complied.
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- Almost universally.
- 00:15:16.208 --> 00:15:17.843
- We lost sight of a fundamental component of the people of god,
- 00:15:17.843 --> 00:15:21.380
- And that is in the face of great suffering.
- 00:15:21.380 --> 00:15:23.882
- Our assignment that god is god's people
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- Is to serve the suffering, not to hide in our homes.
- 00:15:25.951 --> 00:15:29.855
- Our schools were closed for many months,
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- Then our children were mask.
- 00:15:31.957 --> 00:15:33.692
- We know a bit about the outcomes now.
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- It's begrudgingly
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- Kind of leaked into the public square
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- That there are significant learning deficits
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- That we're still struggling to overcome.
- 00:15:41.533 --> 00:15:44.302
- Then there were all these random instructions that were issued
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- As if they were rooted firmly in scientific fact.
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- Cover your face, even if it's with a bandana.
- 00:15:50.108 --> 00:15:54.079
- Hey folks, a bandana didn't stop a virus
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- Stay six feet away from one another.
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- We called it social distancing.
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- It's another random number we put up plexiglass
- 00:16:00.552 --> 00:16:03.655
- Because plexiglass is the great destroyer of viruses.
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- I'm sure you've got your own list.
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- Well, i want to remind you of a biblical character.
- 00:16:09.194 --> 00:16:11.063
- I suspect you know him.
- 00:16:11.063 --> 00:16:11.963
- He was a prophet in ancient israel.
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- His name was elijah.
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- He lived in a time of great division in the land of israel,
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- And he called the people to account.
- 00:16:19.171 --> 00:16:21.573
- He said, how long will you waver between two opinions?
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- If the lord is god, serve him.
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- If the canaanite fertility or gods are gods, serve them well.
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- I would submit to you that we're at a
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- Point of decision in our nation.
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- Are we going to honor god as people of faith?
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- Or will we submit to the voices around us and yield
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- To a secular culture?
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- I pray that we choose to honor god.
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- If we'll do that, i assure you there's more reasons for hope
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- Than for despair.
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- We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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- We'll be back in just a moment with your emails.
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- Thank you for taking the time to send us your emails.
- 00:17:01.781 --> 00:17:04.750
- Your thoughts and opinions are an important part
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- Of our preparation for each program.
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- Caleb, from tennessee wrote.
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- This was the second election
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- I've been old enough to participate in this election.
- 00:17:12.892 --> 00:17:15.895
- I've been far more aware and invested in the process.
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- Although i may only be 23, i believe that my generation
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- Is showing signs of embracing a more biblical worldview.
- 00:17:22.068 --> 00:17:25.771
- When they did a toast, everyone else had a glass
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- Of champagne and mr.
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- Trump toasted with a diet coke.
- 00:17:28.941 --> 00:17:31.277
- That really spoke to me
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- That we don't have
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- To compromise ourselves to fit in with everyone else.
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- It's okay to be outside the crowd.
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- Kayla, that's a great observation.
- 00:17:39.418 --> 00:17:40.920
- I would suggest that on most occasions
- 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.689
- It's probably healthier to be outside the crowd.
- 00:17:43.689 --> 00:17:46.859
- Being a christ follower has always been a minority position.
- 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:50.429
- Jesus described it in terms of a narrow
- 00:17:50.429 --> 00:17:52.698
- Gate and a small road, and few enter into his kingdom.
- 00:17:52.698 --> 00:17:56.636
- The alternative was a broad road
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- Where the majority of the people travel,
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- And he said it leads to destruction.
- 00:18:00.273 --> 00:18:02.408
- I'll take the narrow gate and the road less traveled any day.
- 00:18:02.408 --> 00:18:06.312
- Kevin from smyrna, georgia wrote i love your show.
- 00:18:07.313 --> 00:18:10.583
- The only problem is
- 00:18:10.583 --> 00:18:11.651
- It goes off too fast trying to push it to one hour.
- 00:18:11.651 --> 00:18:14.654
- Try pushing it to one hour.
- 00:18:14.654 --> 00:18:16.622
- I bet you could get more viewers.
- 00:18:16.622 --> 00:18:18.791
- I wanted to let you know that
- 00:18:18.791 --> 00:18:19.792
- I watch alan jackson ministries as well.
- 00:18:19.792 --> 00:18:22.161
- God talks to me through it. way to go.
- 00:18:22.161 --> 00:18:23.963
- Keep it up.
- 00:18:23.963 --> 00:18:25.431
- Well, kevin, there's some discussion
- 00:18:25.431 --> 00:18:26.766
- About expanding the program.
- 00:18:26.766 --> 00:18:28.100
- Governor huckabee took that assignment in israel
- 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:31.070
- And left us all alone on the air, so to speak.
- 00:18:31.070 --> 00:18:35.107
- There's two things to pray about.
- 00:18:35.107 --> 00:18:36.375
- One is
- 00:18:36.375 --> 00:18:37.210
- We need the network to cooperate,
- 00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:38.844
- And then we would need the funding to be provided.
- 00:18:38.844 --> 00:18:40.880
- If those things happen, you'll see in our
- 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:44.817
- Dixie email.
- 00:18:45.151 --> 00:18:46.552
- First of all, thank you for your great program.
- 00:18:46.552 --> 00:18:48.988
- It's so needed.
- 00:18:48.988 --> 00:18:50.223
- I live in oregon, which is extremely liberal.
- 00:18:50.223 --> 00:18:53.125
- Abortion pills are sold over the counter to anyone.
- 00:18:53.125 --> 00:18:56.429
- We're overrun with drugs and crime as a sanctuary state,
- 00:18:56.429 --> 00:18:59.999
- Yet our leaders are opposing kicking out the illegal
- 00:18:59.999 --> 00:19:02.935
- Alien criminals who are causing so much of it.
- 00:19:02.935 --> 00:19:06.439
- Whatever happened to common sense?
- 00:19:06.439 --> 00:19:09.108
- Well, dixie, i've got good news.
- 00:19:09.108 --> 00:19:11.377
- It seems like common sense is rolled back into washington,
- 00:19:11.377 --> 00:19:15.314
- But that was only made possible because common sense prevailed
- 00:19:15.314 --> 00:19:18.251
- Across the heartland of america,
- 00:19:18.251 --> 00:19:20.419
- And millions and millions of people
- 00:19:20.419 --> 00:19:22.221
- Went to the ballot boxes and raised their hands
- 00:19:22.221 --> 00:19:25.324
- And said, we need a change of direction now.
- 00:19:25.324 --> 00:19:27.693
- We're going to have to keep up our courage
- 00:19:27.693 --> 00:19:29.061
- And continue to use our voices and share our opinions
- 00:19:29.061 --> 00:19:32.031
- So that the people in washington
- 00:19:32.031 --> 00:19:33.599
- Can recognize we're standing with them.
- 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.002
- If we'll do that, i believe we'll see a good outcome.
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- I hope you watch the show every day.
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- If you ever miss it,
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- You can go to the youtube channel and find the program.
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- Some of you sent a message
- 00:19:44.777 --> 00:19:45.745
- And said you were having trouble finding it,
- 00:19:45.745 --> 00:19:47.513
- So we've given you a bit of a shortcut.
- 00:19:47.513 --> 00:19:49.582
- If you just go to alan jackson.com backslash
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- Now, it'll take you directly to the archives of every alan
- 00:19:52.318 --> 00:19:56.255
- Jackson now program.
- 00:19:56.255 --> 00:19:57.456
- You can watch them at your leisure.
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- That will help all of us.
- 00:19:59.859 --> 00:20:02.061
- Well, from all of us here in nashville.
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- Thank you for joining us tonight.
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- And i pray you have a wonderful evening.
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