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September 21, 2019
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Creation in the 21st Century with David Rives

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  • - DAVID RIVES: COMING UP ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY":
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  • WHERE DID WE COME FROM?
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  • WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF
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  • THE UNIVERSE?
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  • THE ORIGIN OF STUFF?
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  • THE ORIGIN OF LIFE ITSELF?
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  • - JAY SEEGERT: CAN YOU IMAGINE
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  • SOLVING A RUBIK'S CUBE
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  • BY ACCIDENT?
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  • HOW 'BOUT OVER 2.000 IN A ROW?
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  • WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE CHANCES
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  • ARE THAT LIFE FORMED FROM DEAD
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  • CHEMICALS 3.8 BILLION
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  • YEARS AGO.
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  • - DAVID: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
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  • A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO LOOK AT
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  • THE BIG PICTURE AND ENGAGE WITH
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  • PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE SKEPTICAL.
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  • - JAY: BUT THEN, WHEN YOU GO
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  • AND LOOK AT EVIDENCES OF THE
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  • INSPIRATION OF SCRIPTURE, IT
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  • DOES TAKE US TO THE NEXT STEP
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  • TO NOT ONLY SAY THERE IS A
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  • DESIGNER BUT WHO THAT
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  • [DRAMATIC THEME MUSIC PLAYS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - DAVID: WELCOME TO "CREATION
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  • IN THE 21ST CENTURY,"
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  • WHERE SCIENTIFIC
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  • DISCOVERY CONNECTS
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES, AND,
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  • MY JOURNEY INTO OUR ORIGINS,
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  • OUR BEGINNING, HAS TAKEN ME
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  • AND IT'S CONSISTENTLY POINTED
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  • BACK TO ONE THING --
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  • GOD'S WORD.
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  • THAT'S RIGHT -- YOU ARE NOT
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  • 14-BILLION-YEAR-OLD STARDUST.
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  • BUT, INSTEAD, OUR BRAINS AND
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  • OUR BODIES ARE ONE OF THE MOST
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  • COMPLEX, AMAZING DESIGNS
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  • EVER CREATED.
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  • AND THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE
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  • LIFE'S MOST DIFFICULT QUESTIONS
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  • POINTS US BACK TO CREATION.
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  • WELL, ON "CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY," TODAY, WE TACKLE
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  • THOSE QUESTIONS.
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  • AND I WANNA GET STARTED WITH
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  • THIS WEEK'S HEAVENS DECLARE BY
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  • LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE.
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  • WHAT ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE
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  • UNIVERSE ITSELF.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • GENESIS 1:1 SAYS, "IN THE
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  • BEGINNING, GOD CREATED THE
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  • IN THE HEBREW, IT SAYS:
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  • "BERESHITH BARA ELOHIM ETH
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  • HASHSHAMAYIM VEETH HAARETS."
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  • NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE
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  • VERSE, BUT, COULD THERE BE
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  • SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES WITHIN
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  • LET'S BREAK IT DOWN
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  • FOR A SECOND.
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  • [MOOD MUSIC]
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  • "IN THE BEGINNING..."
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  • -- THAT WOULD BE THE VERY
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  • ORIGIN OF TIME ITSELF.
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  • "...GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN..."
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  • MM...THAT COULD BE SPACE.
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  • "...AND THE EARTH..."
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  • -- THAT COULD BE MATTER.
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  • THE BIG BANG THEORY -- THE IDEA
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  • THAT 14 BILLION YEARS AGO
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  • EVERYTHING RAPIDLY EXPANDED,
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  • CREATING THE UNIVERSE
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  • AS IT WENT -- TRIES TO
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  • EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE
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  • COULD FORM TIME AND SPACE.
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  • BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHERE
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  • THE MATTER IN THE
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  • UNIVERSE CAME FROM.
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  • AND THERE'S A LOT OF MATTER.
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  • SO...THE FIRST VERSE OF GENESIS
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  • TELLS US WHERE TIME, SPACE, AND
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  • MATTER ALL ORIGINATED.
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  • THAT MAKES GENESIS VERY
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  • SCIENTIFIC.
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  • I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SPECIAL.
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
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  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THE
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  • I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THE
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  • BIG PICTURE.
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  • AND, TODAY, TO TALK ABOUT WITH
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  • ME IS MY FRIEND JAY SEEGERT.
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  • NOW, HE HAS HIS BACHELOR'S IN
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  • PHYSICS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
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  • WISCONSIN-WHITEWATER.
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  • HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF
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  • THE STARTING POINT PROJECT.
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  • AND HE HAS BEEN SPEAKING ON
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  • APOLOGETICS FOR OVER 30 YEARS,
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  • NOW.
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  • JAY LIVES IN WISCONSIN AND HE
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  • HAS A GREAT PASSION FOR HELPING
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  • CHRISTIANS STRENGTHEN
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  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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  • - JAY: IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ON
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  • THE SHOW.
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  • THANKS FOR THE INVITE.
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  • - DAVID: IT IS GREAT TO HAVE
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  • YOU HERE.
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  • UH, TELL ME, NOW -- YOU TRAVEL
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  • ALL OVER THE WORLD SPEAKING ON
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  • THESE ISSUES, BUT, YOU ALSO
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  • TALK TO THOSE WHO MIGHT BE
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  • SKEPTICAL, RIGHT?
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  • AND THEY OFTEN HAVE VERY, VERY
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  • GOOD QUESTIONS.
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  • MOST SKEPTICS THAT I MEET
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  • ARE...REALLY BRIGHT AND THEY'RE
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  • REALLY STRUGGLING WITH
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  • AND SO, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT HOW
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  • WE APPROACH THEM AND NOT JUST
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  • WANNA WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH
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  • THEM, BUT PROVIDE A
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  • FOUNDATIONAL TEACHING AS
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  • TO THE VALIDITY OF THE
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  • CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW.
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  • - DAVID: YOU KNOW, SO OFTEN,
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  • TODAY, WE THINK THE BEST WAY TO
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  • TACKLE THIS IS TO GO IN
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  • HEADSTRONG AND TO SHOW THEM
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  • WHO'S BOSS AND WHO HAS THE
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  • ANSWERS, AND TO THUMP THAT
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  • BIBLE, AND TO TELL THEM THAT
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  • THEY MUST BE INSANE FOR
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  • BELIEVING ANYTHING OTHER THAN
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  • WHAT WE BELIEVE, RIGHT?
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  • WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO
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  • TACKLE IT?
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  • - JAY: WELL, WE REALLY NEED TO
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  • BE VERY GRACIOUS.
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  • I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO
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  • FIND OUT THEY'RE WRONG.
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  • THEY'RE NOT HOPING TO FIND OUT
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  • THEY'VE BEEN WRONG
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  • ABOUT EVERYTHING.
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  • IN THINKING EVEN IN MY OWN
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  • MARRIAGE, I'M NOT, LIKE,
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  • EXCITED WHEN MY WIFE POINTS OUT
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  • THAT I'M WRONG.
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  • EVEN I KNOW INSIDE, "OKAY,
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  • SHE'S RIGHT," BUT IT DOESN'T
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  • MAKE YOU HAPPY.
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  • SO, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN
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  • MIND WHEN WE'RE
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  • TALKING TO SKEPTICS.
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  • THEY'RE NOT HOPING TO FIND OUT
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  • THEY'VE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG.
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  • SO, WE NEED TO
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  • BE VERY GRACIOUS.
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  • BECAUSE THIS IS LARGELY A
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  • SPIRITUAL ISSUE WE'RE DEALING
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  • WITH AND IT'S NOT JUST AN
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  • ACADEMIC DEBATE.
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  • SO, THAT MEANS WE ALSO NEED TO
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  • LISTEN TO THEM.
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  • AND THAT'S A SKILL I
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  • HAD TO LEARN.
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  • I'VE BEEN SPEAKING FOR
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  • 33 YEARS.
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  • I HAD TO LEARN HOW
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  • TO LISTEN.
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  • - DAVID: ANY OTHER ADVICE
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  • AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH
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  • THESE THINGS
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  • WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THOSE WHO
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  • MIGHT NOT BELIEVE THE
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  • WAY WE BELIEVE?
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  • - JAY: SURE.
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  • WE DEFINITELY NEED TO STICK TO
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  • THE BIG PICTURE AND NOT BE SO
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  • QUICK TO JUST JUMP AND PROVE
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  • EVERYTHING THAT WE BELIEVE.
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  • WE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT
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  • THEY'RE SAYING, TO ASK
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  • FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT
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  • IT IS THEY MEAN BY WHAT THEY'RE
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  • SAYING AND HOW DID THEY COME TO
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  • THAT CONCLUSION.
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  • WHY ARE THEY CONFIDENT THAT
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  • THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE?
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  • AND THEN, WE NEED TO BE
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  • VERY SPECIFIC.
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  • AND I SAY: DON'T GET PULLED
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  • DOWN INTO THE WEEDS.
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
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  • - JAY: WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?
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  • WELL, SOMEONE MIGHT SAY,
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  • "WELL, YOU KNOW,
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  • EVOLUTION'S AN ABSOLUTE FACT,"
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  • YOU KNOW,
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  • "BECAUSE BACTERIA CAN BECOME
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  • RESISTANT TO ANTIBIOTICS."
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  • AND, FOR MANY CHRISTIANS, THEY
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  • MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR
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  • WITH THAT.
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  • THEY'RE NOT SURE
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  • WHAT'S BEING SAID.
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  • AND THEY'RE LIKE, "WELL...I'M
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  • NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT WHAT
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  • YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I
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  • JUST BELIEVE THE BIBLE."
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  • UM, IT PUTS 'EM IN A
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  • DEFENSIVE POSITION.
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  • THEY DON'T HAVE ANSWERS.
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  • AND, AT THAT POINT, THEY'VE
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  • GOTTEN DOWN INTO THE WEEDS,
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  • THINGS THAT CAN BE TECHNICAL
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  • AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND AND
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  • THEY'RE MISSING THE
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  • BIG PICTURE.
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  • SO, AN ANALOGY THAT I TYPICALLY
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  • USE WITH PEOPLE -- I SAY:
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  • PRETEND THAT YOU'RE ON
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  • USED-CAR LOT...
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
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  • - JAY: ...LOOKIN' FOR A CAR.
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  • AND YOU'RE LOOKIN' AROUND, AND
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  • THE SALESMAN COMES OUT AND HE
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  • SAYS, "CAN I HELP YOU?"
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  • AND YOU SAY, "YEAH, I'M
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  • LOOKING AT THIS CAR, HERE."
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  • HE GOES, "OH!"
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  • HE GOES, "LET ME SHOW
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  • YOU SOMETHING."
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  • TAKES YOU AROUND TO THE
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  • PASSENGER SIDE, OPENS THE DOOR,
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  • FLIPS OPEN THE GLOVE
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  • COMPARTMENT, SAYS, "BEND DOWN."
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  • SEE THAT BOLT IN THE BACK OF
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  • THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT THAT'S
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  • HOLDING IT INTO PLACE?"
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  • YOU'RE LIKE, "AGH-- I THINK I
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  • CAN SEE IT."
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  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
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  • "THAT IS THE MOST PRECISELY
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  • MANUFACTURED BOLT ON
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  • THE PLANET.
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  • YOU WON'T FIND A BETTER
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  • BOLT ANYWHERE."
  • 00:06:50.260 --> 00:06:51.280
  • AND YOU SAY: "WELL, I-- I GUESS
  • 00:06:51.280 --> 00:06:52.280
  • I'D HAVE TO TAKE YOUR
  • 00:06:52.280 --> 00:06:54.160
  • WORD FOR IT.
  • 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:55.270
  • I CAN BARELY SEE IT, BUT I'VE
  • 00:06:55.270 --> 00:06:57.000
  • GOT A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS THAT
  • 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.020
  • MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME
  • 00:06:58.020 --> 00:06:58.260
  • WITH FIRST."
  • 00:06:58.260 --> 00:06:59.110
  • AND HE'S, "LIKE WHAT?"
  • 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:00.200
  • "WELL, BEFORE YOU GOT OUT HERE,
  • 00:07:00.200 --> 00:07:02.100
  • I WAS WALKIN' AROUND THE CAR
  • 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:03.070
  • AND I NOTICED...IT DIDN'T
  • 00:07:03.070 --> 00:07:04.030
  • HAVE ANY WHEELS.
  • 00:07:04.030 --> 00:07:06.000
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:06.210
  • AND THEN, WHEN I GOT IN -- I
  • 00:07:06.210 --> 00:07:07.130
  • DON'T WANNA COMPLAIN, BUT EVERY
  • 00:07:07.130 --> 00:07:08.250
  • CAR I'VE HAD PRIOR TO THIS HAD
  • 00:07:08.250 --> 00:07:09.210
  • A STEERING WHEEL.
  • 00:07:09.210 --> 00:07:11.130
  • THIS ONE JUST HAS THIS COLUMN
  • 00:07:11.130 --> 00:07:12.110
  • STICKING OUT.
  • 00:07:12.110 --> 00:07:12.260
  • AND THEN, ALSO, I POPPED THE
  • 00:07:12.260 --> 00:07:14.080
  • HOOD AND NOTICED THERE
  • 00:07:14.080 --> 00:07:16.160
  • WASN'T ANY ENGINE.
  • 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:17.250
  • BUT IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN
  • 00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:18.170
  • TO ME HOW THOSE THINGS ARE NOT
  • 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:20.210
  • GONNA BE AN ISSUE, I CAN STILL
  • 00:07:20.210 --> 00:07:21.210
  • DRIVE THAT CAR WITHOUT A
  • 00:07:21.210 --> 00:07:22.170
  • PROBLEM, THEN YOU CAN TELL ME
  • 00:07:22.170 --> 00:07:23.140
  • MORE ABOUT THE BOLT IN THE BACK
  • 00:07:23.140 --> 00:07:24.130
  • OF THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT.
  • 00:07:24.130 --> 00:07:25.230
  • BUT IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THOSE
  • 00:07:25.230 --> 00:07:26.280
  • OTHER QUESTIONS -- HONESTLY, I
  • 00:07:26.280 --> 00:07:28.030
  • DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT
  • 00:07:28.030 --> 00:07:29.170
  • THAT BOLT."
  • 00:07:29.170 --> 00:07:30.040
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:30.290
  • - JAY: STICK WITH THE
  • 00:07:30.290 --> 00:07:31.200
  • BIGGER PICTURE.
  • 00:07:31.250 --> 00:07:34.250
  • THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN
  • 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:36.020
  • WE GET IN DISCUSSIONS
  • 00:07:36.020 --> 00:07:36.210
  • WITH SKEPTICS.
  • 00:07:36.210 --> 00:07:37.070
  • WHEN THEY BRING UP SOMETHING
  • 00:07:37.070 --> 00:07:37.270
  • MAYBE VERY DETAILED WE'RE NOT
  • 00:07:37.270 --> 00:07:38.230
  • SURE ABOUT, WE NEED TO BACK UP
  • 00:07:38.230 --> 00:07:40.030
  • AND THEN BRING UP
  • 00:07:40.030 --> 00:07:41.170
  • THE BIG PICTURE.
  • 00:07:41.170 --> 00:07:42.290
  • - DAVID: I LIKE THAT.
  • 00:07:42.290 --> 00:07:43.170
  • I LIKE THAT.
  • 00:07:43.170 --> 00:07:44.130
  • SO, BIG PICTURE -- WE'RE
  • 00:07:44.130 --> 00:07:45.220
  • TALKING ABOUT: YOU DON'T HAVE
  • 00:07:45.220 --> 00:07:48.050
  • TO BE AN ASTROPHYSICIST.
  • 00:07:48.050 --> 00:07:49.150
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A
  • 00:07:49.150 --> 00:07:51.080
  • ROCKET SCIENTIST.
  • 00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:52.060
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO,
  • 00:07:52.060 --> 00:07:53.120
  • UH...COMPLEX GENETICS RESEARCH.
  • 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:56.180
  • YOU CAN...TACKLE JUST A NUMBER
  • 00:07:56.200 --> 00:07:59.200
  • OF VERY, VERY BROAD CATEGORIES
  • 00:07:59.200 --> 00:08:01.190
  • WITH PRETTY MUCH ANYONE.
  • 00:08:01.190 --> 00:08:04.090
  • AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE A
  • 00:08:04.090 --> 00:08:06.050
  • LIMITED AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE
  • 00:08:06.050 --> 00:08:07.100
  • WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO
  • 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:08.250
  • QUESTION WHERE THEY CAME UP
  • 00:08:08.250 --> 00:08:10.110
  • WITH ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING THE
  • 00:08:10.110 --> 00:08:11.190
  • TECHNICAL STUFF.
  • 00:08:11.190 --> 00:08:12.190
  • - JAY: RIGHT.
  • 00:08:12.190 --> 00:08:13.200
  • IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
  • 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:14.140
  • I LIKE TO DO THINGS IN A
  • 00:08:14.140 --> 00:08:15.100
  • PRACTICAL SENSE.
  • 00:08:15.100 --> 00:08:16.110
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO GO
  • 00:08:16.110 --> 00:08:17.170
  • OUT AND LEARN A LOT OF FACTS,
  • 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:18.210
  • WHICH IS TOUGH.
  • 00:08:18.210 --> 00:08:19.090
  • NOT EVERYONE CAN DO THAT AND
  • 00:08:19.090 --> 00:08:20.110
  • MEMORIZE THOSE AND KNOW
  • 00:08:20.110 --> 00:08:20.290
  • THEIR CONTEXT.
  • 00:08:20.290 --> 00:08:23.060
  • IT'S ANOTHER THING JUST
  • 00:08:23.060 --> 00:08:23.240
  • TO LEARN SKILLS OF LISTENING
  • 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:24.170
  • AND CARING AND ASKING
  • 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:25.040
  • FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
  • 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:26.210
  • AND SO, AS THE SKEPTIC TELLS
  • 00:08:26.210 --> 00:08:27.260
  • YOU WHAT THEIR BELIEF IS,
  • 00:08:27.260 --> 00:08:29.060
  • WHETHER THEY'RE AN ATHEIST OR
  • 00:08:29.060 --> 00:08:31.000
  • WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, YOU CAN
  • 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:31.210
  • ASK A NUMBER OF
  • 00:08:31.210 --> 00:08:32.080
  • AND THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU
  • 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:35.190
  • COULD COVER, YOU KNOW, VERY
  • 00:08:35.190 --> 00:08:36.210
  • SUCCINCTLY, WOULD BE...THE
  • 00:08:36.210 --> 00:08:38.050
  • ORIGIN OF STUFF.
  • 00:08:38.050 --> 00:08:38.290
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:08:38.290 --> 00:08:39.130
  • - JAY: WHERE DID, LIKE, MATTER
  • 00:08:39.130 --> 00:08:40.170
  • AND ENERGY COME FROM?
  • 00:08:40.170 --> 00:08:41.050
  • THEN, THE ORIGIN OF LIFE.
  • 00:08:41.050 --> 00:08:42.190
  • ONCE YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE
  • 00:08:42.190 --> 00:08:44.070
  • UNIVERSE OF STUFF, HOW DID DEAD
  • 00:08:44.070 --> 00:08:45.140
  • CHEMICALS COME TOGETHER TO FORM
  • 00:08:45.140 --> 00:08:47.080
  • A LIVING CELL?
  • 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:48.230
  • THEN, YOU HAVE THE ORIGIN OF
  • 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.010
  • INFORMATION, WHICH IS RELATED
  • 00:08:50.010 --> 00:08:50.220
  • TO LIFE.
  • 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:52.250
  • WHERE DID INFORMATION
  • 00:08:52.250 --> 00:08:53.120
  • COME FROM?
  • 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:53.230
  • THEN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE ORIGIN
  • 00:08:53.230 --> 00:08:54.150
  • OF CONSCIOUSNESS.
  • 00:08:54.150 --> 00:08:55.000
  • HOW DID PARTICLES BECOME AWARE
  • 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.020
  • OF THEMSELVES?
  • 00:08:56.020 --> 00:08:57.140
  • AND THEN, FINALLY, THE ORIGIN
  • 00:08:57.140 --> 00:08:58.220
  • OF WHAT I CALL PINK AND BLUE --
  • 00:08:58.220 --> 00:08:59.280
  • MALE AND FEMALE.
  • 00:08:59.280 --> 00:09:01.210
  • SO, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF
  • 00:09:01.210 --> 00:09:02.270
  • THOSE CATEGORIES AND JUST
  • 00:09:02.270 --> 00:09:04.000
  • EXPLAIN HOW EACH WORKS.
  • 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:05.040
  • - DAVID: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:06.230
  • WELL, I MEAN, LET'S START
  • 00:09:06.230 --> 00:09:07.120
  • WITH...THE VERY FIRST ONE.
  • 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:08.080
  • LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF
  • 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.100
  • STUFF OR THE ORIGIN OF
  • 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:10.160
  • EVERYTHING WE SEE
  • 00:09:10.160 --> 00:09:11.240
  • IN THE UNIVERSE.
  • 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:12.270
  • IN FACT, ALL OF THE LAWS AND
  • 00:09:12.270 --> 00:09:14.120
  • PHYSICS AND PRINCIPLE--
  • 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.040
  • EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS.
  • 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:16.220
  • - JAY: SURE.
  • 00:09:16.220 --> 00:09:18.000
  • NO MATTER WHO SOMEONE IS --
  • 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:18.270
  • WHETHER AN ATHEIST, A BUDDHIST,
  • 00:09:18.270 --> 00:09:20.090
  • A MUSLIM, A CHRISTIAN, A MORMON
  • 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:21.050
  • -- THEIR WORLDVIEW, THEIR
  • 00:09:21.050 --> 00:09:23.080
  • STARTING POINT HAS TO EXPLAIN A
  • 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:24.220
  • NUMBER OF BASIC QUESTIONS, ONE
  • 00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:25.230
  • OF WHICH IS: WHERE DID
  • 00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:26.280
  • EVERYTHING COME FROM TO
  • 00:09:26.280 --> 00:09:27.250
  • BEGIN WITH?
  • 00:09:27.250 --> 00:09:28.130
  • UH, STEPHEN HAWKING -- HE WAS
  • 00:09:28.130 --> 00:09:30.210
  • ONE OF THE WORLD'S LEADING
  • 00:09:30.210 --> 00:09:31.170
  • ASTROPHYSICISTS --
  • 00:09:31.170 --> 00:09:32.130
  • BRILLIANT GUY.
  • 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:35.050
  • HE WAS AN ATHEIST.
  • 00:09:35.050 --> 00:09:36.170
  • SO, HE HAD TO ADDRESS THIS
  • 00:09:36.170 --> 00:09:38.090
  • ISSUE OF "WHERE DID STUFF
  • 00:09:38.090 --> 00:09:38.280
  • COME FROM?"
  • 00:09:38.280 --> 00:09:39.180
  • AND HERE IS ONE OF HIS QUOTES.
  • 00:09:39.180 --> 00:09:40.240
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.180
  • - JAY: SAID: "BECAUSE THERE IS
  • 00:09:42.180 --> 00:09:43.280
  • A LAW SUCH AS GRAVITY, THE
  • 00:09:43.280 --> 00:09:44.270
  • UNIVERSE CAN AND WILL CREATE
  • 00:09:44.270 --> 00:09:46.050
  • ITSELF FROM NOTHING."
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:46.220
  • NOW, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANNA
  • 00:09:46.220 --> 00:09:49.080
  • GET INTO A DEBATE WITH THE
  • 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:50.030
  • WORLD'S LEADING
  • 00:09:50.030 --> 00:09:51.220
  • THEORETICAL PHYSICIST.
  • 00:09:51.220 --> 00:09:52.180
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:09:52.180 --> 00:09:53.120
  • - JAY: BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT
  • 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.030
  • WHAT HE SAID.
  • 00:09:54.030 --> 00:09:55.120
  • WE NEED TO SEPARATE STATEMENTS
  • 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.030
  • FROM WHO THE PERSON IS.
  • 00:09:56.030 --> 00:09:58.100
  • HE SAID BECAUSE THERE IS
  • 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:00.090
  • SOMETHING SUCH AS THE LAW OF
  • 00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:01.180
  • GRAVITY, THE UNIVERSE CAN AND
  • 00:10:01.180 --> 00:10:02.220
  • WILL CREATE ITSELF
  • 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:03.070
  • FROM NOTHING.
  • 00:10:03.070 --> 00:10:04.060
  • LET'S SIMPLIFY IT.
  • 00:10:04.060 --> 00:10:05.130
  • BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING, THE
  • 00:10:05.130 --> 00:10:06.260
  • UNIVERSE WILL CREATE ITSELF
  • 00:10:06.260 --> 00:10:07.250
  • FROM NOTHING.
  • 00:10:07.250 --> 00:10:08.210
  • WELL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING,
  • 00:10:08.210 --> 00:10:09.200
  • YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
  • 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.010
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:10:11.010 --> 00:10:12.070
  • - JAY: AND WHAT WAS THE
  • 00:10:12.070 --> 00:10:12.280
  • SOMETHING HE TALKED ABOUT?
  • 00:10:12.280 --> 00:10:14.040
  • HE SAID THE LAW OF GRAVITY.
  • 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:15.110
  • WELL, WHAT IS THE
  • 00:10:15.110 --> 00:10:15.270
  • LAW OF GRAVITY?
  • 00:10:15.270 --> 00:10:16.190
  • LAW OF GRAVITY ISN'T A PHYSICAL
  • 00:10:16.190 --> 00:10:18.030
  • THING YOU CAN WEIGH, PAINT,
  • 00:10:18.030 --> 00:10:19.220
  • AND BEND.
  • 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:21.020
  • IT'S A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE
  • 00:10:21.020 --> 00:10:21.250
  • UNIVERSE OPERATES.
  • 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:24.010
  • BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A
  • 00:10:24.010 --> 00:10:24.270
  • DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:10:24.270 --> 00:10:25.270
  • OPERATES UNLESS YOU HAVE A
  • 00:10:25.270 --> 00:10:26.260
  • UNIVERSE TO DESCRIBE.
  • 00:10:26.260 --> 00:10:27.200
  • BUT IF YOU HAVE A UNIVERSE TO
  • 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:28.260
  • DESCRIBE, YOU'RE NOT CREATING
  • 00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:29.270
  • IT FROM NOTHING.
  • 00:10:29.270 --> 00:10:31.110
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:32.040
  • SO, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A
  • 00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:33.080
  • BRILLIANT GUY -- I DON'T DOUBT
  • 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.000
  • THAT -- BRILLIANT -- SAYING
  • 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.050
  • SOMETHING THAT MAKES NO
  • 00:10:36.050 --> 00:10:37.220
  • SENSE WHATSOEVER.
  • 00:10:37.220 --> 00:10:39.060
  • - DAVID: NOW, ISN'T AN ISSUE
  • 00:10:39.060 --> 00:10:40.130
  • THAT... HE STARTED WITH
  • 00:10:40.130 --> 00:10:42.280
  • "BECAUSE THERE IS A LAW," WHICH
  • 00:10:42.280 --> 00:10:45.210
  • ALREADY MEANS THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:10:45.210 --> 00:10:47.180
  • SOMETHING IN EXISTENCE?
  • 00:10:47.180 --> 00:10:48.290
  • AND LAWS AND PHYSICS ARE SO
  • 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:52.080
  • AMAZING BECAUSE...
  • 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.000
  • THEY'RE CALCULABLE.
  • 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.160
  • OFTENTIMES, WE CAN CONDENSE
  • 00:10:56.160 --> 00:10:58.000
  • THEM DOWN TO A SCRAP OF PAPER,
  • 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.120
  • A FORMULA ON A SCRAP OF PAPER.
  • 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.120
  • DOESN'T THAT SPEAK TO
  • 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:03.290
  • A DESIGNER?
  • 00:11:03.290 --> 00:11:05.100
  • - JAY: IT SHOULD.
  • 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:06.060
  • BUT, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT
  • 00:11:06.060 --> 00:11:06.280
  • YOUR WORLDVIEW IS.
  • 00:11:06.280 --> 00:11:08.270
  • THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT
  • 00:11:08.270 --> 00:11:10.140
  • INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:11:10.140 --> 00:11:11.020
  • FOR A CHRISTIAN, IT MAKES
  • 00:11:11.020 --> 00:11:12.010
  • PERFECT SENSE THAT WE SEE THOSE
  • 00:11:12.010 --> 00:11:13.000
  • THINGS DESIGNED.
  • 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:14.030
  • BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO AN
  • 00:11:14.030 --> 00:11:15.100
  • ATHEIST ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE
  • 00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:16.050
  • UNIVERSE, THEY'LL OFTEN TALK
  • 00:11:16.050 --> 00:11:17.150
  • ABOUT QUANTUM FLUCTUATIONS IN
  • 00:11:17.150 --> 00:11:18.250
  • THE VACUUM AND ALL THAT, YOU
  • 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:20.030
  • SAY: WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:21.100
  • WHAT'S FLUCTUATING?
  • 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:22.010
  • WHERE'D YOU GET THE VACUUM?
  • 00:11:22.010 --> 00:11:23.050
  • AND YOU PUSH 'EM FAR ENOUGH,
  • 00:11:23.050 --> 00:11:24.120
  • THEY WILL, AT SOME POINT,
  • 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:25.100
  • ADMIT: WELL, OKAY...EVERYTHING
  • 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:27.050
  • DID COME FROM NOTHING.
  • 00:11:27.050 --> 00:11:28.080
  • SO, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS
  • 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:29.120
  • LITERALLY TEACH THAT NOTHING
  • 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.130
  • CREATED EVERYTHING.
  • 00:11:31.130 --> 00:11:34.060
  • - DAVID: MMH.
  • 00:11:34.060 --> 00:11:35.020
  • - JAY: AND THEY SAY
  • 00:11:35.020 --> 00:11:35.190
  • THAT'S SCIENCE.
  • 00:11:35.190 --> 00:11:36.130
  • IF YOU SAY, "SOMETHING CREATED
  • 00:11:36.130 --> 00:11:37.200
  • EVERYTHING," THEY SAY, "NO,
  • 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:38.220
  • THAT'S RELIGION -- YOU GOTTA
  • 00:11:38.220 --> 00:11:39.170
  • KEEP THAT OUT OF SCHOOL;
  • 00:11:39.170 --> 00:11:40.050
  • SEPARATION OF CHURCH
  • 00:11:40.050 --> 00:11:41.060
  • AND STATE."
  • 00:11:41.060 --> 00:11:42.190
  • BUT LET'S JUST THINK THAT
  • 00:11:42.190 --> 00:11:43.170
  • THROUGH, SIMPLY, PRACTICALLY.
  • 00:11:43.170 --> 00:11:44.150
  • THE IDEA THAT NOTHING
  • 00:11:44.150 --> 00:11:46.140
  • CREATED EVERYTHING.
  • 00:11:46.140 --> 00:11:48.230
  • IT'S NEVER BEEN OBSERVED.
  • 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:49.210
  • WE'VE NEVER SEEN NOTHING CREATE
  • 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:51.040
  • ANYTHING, LET ALONE A
  • 00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:51.250
  • WHOLE UNIVERSE.
  • 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:52.270
  • IT GOES TOTALLY AGAINST THE
  • 00:11:52.270 --> 00:11:54.170
  • KNOWN LAWS OF SCIENCE.
  • 00:11:54.170 --> 00:11:57.070
  • THE FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
  • 00:11:57.070 --> 00:11:58.190
  • -- YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING OUT
  • 00:11:58.190 --> 00:11:59.200
  • OF NOTHING.
  • 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:00.280
  • AND IT'S COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL.
  • 00:12:00.280 --> 00:12:02.000
  • HOW COULD NOTHING DO ANYTHING?
  • 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.040
  • NOTHING IS NOTHING BUT NOTHING.
  • 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:05.140
  • THAT'S WHY WE CALL IT NOTHING.
  • 00:12:05.140 --> 00:12:06.170
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:12:06.170 --> 00:12:07.060
  • - JAY: NOW, YOU LOOK AT THE
  • 00:12:07.060 --> 00:12:08.110
  • IDEA OF SOMETHING
  • 00:12:08.110 --> 00:12:09.090
  • CREATING EVERYTHING.
  • 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:10.130
  • WELL, IT HAS BEEN OBSERVED.
  • 00:12:10.130 --> 00:12:12.040
  • WE'VE OBSERVED SOMETHING
  • 00:12:12.040 --> 00:12:13.230
  • CREATING SOMETHING ELSE.
  • 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:14.230
  • IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAWS
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:16.160
  • OF SCIENCE, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY
  • 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:18.050
  • OBSERVED IT, AND IT'S LOGICAL
  • 00:12:18.050 --> 00:12:19.130
  • THAT SOMETHING COULD
  • 00:12:19.130 --> 00:12:20.140
  • DO SOMETHING.
  • 00:12:20.140 --> 00:12:21.180
  • SO, IN REALITY, THE IDEA THAT
  • 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:23.200
  • NOTHING CREATED EVERYTHING IS
  • 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.010
  • MORE OF A RELIGIOUS BELIEF, A
  • 00:12:25.010 --> 00:12:26.290
  • BLIND FAITH, WHEREAS SAYING
  • 00:12:26.290 --> 00:12:28.110
  • THAT SOMETHING CREATED
  • 00:12:28.110 --> 00:12:29.110
  • EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH
  • 00:12:29.110 --> 00:12:30.170
  • THE LAWS OF SCIENCE.
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:32.220
  • - DAVID: OKAY, SO, THE FIRST
  • 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:33.220
  • LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS: ENERGY
  • 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:35.050
  • CAN NEITHER BE CREATED
  • 00:12:35.050 --> 00:12:35.220
  • NOR DESTROYED.
  • 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:37.140
  • WELL, EINSTEIN SAID, WELL, THAT
  • 00:12:37.140 --> 00:12:38.060
  • WOULD APPLY TO MATTER, AS WELL,
  • 00:12:38.060 --> 00:12:39.150
  • WHICH MEANS THAT MATTER CAN
  • 00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:40.050
  • NEITHER BE CREATED
  • 00:12:40.050 --> 00:12:40.210
  • NOR DESTROYED.
  • 00:12:40.210 --> 00:12:43.050
  • IT CAN CHANGE FORMS, OF COURSE.
  • 00:12:43.050 --> 00:12:43.270
  • BUT NOT CREATED OR DESTROYED.
  • 00:12:43.270 --> 00:12:45.160
  • SO, IF THIS LAW, WHICH HAS
  • 00:12:45.270 --> 00:12:48.270
  • NEVER BEEN BROKEN, SAYS THAT
  • 00:12:48.270 --> 00:12:49.260
  • MATTER DOESN'T SIMPLY POP INTO
  • 00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:51.250
  • EXISTENCE FROM NOTHING,
  • 00:12:51.250 --> 00:12:54.030
  • THEN...YOU COULD TRY TO PUSH IT
  • 00:12:54.030 --> 00:12:56.240
  • BACK ALL YOU WANT IT TO, BUT,
  • 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.070
  • EVENTUALLY, THERE HAD TO
  • 00:12:58.070 --> 00:12:59.130
  • BE A DESIGNER.
  • 00:12:59.130 --> 00:13:00.140
  • - JAY: YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE
  • 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:02.120
  • FAITH THAT, AGAIN, NOTHING DID
  • 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.210
  • EVERYTHING, BECAUSE YOU DON'T
  • 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:05.050
  • WANNA RELY ON A GOD,
  • 00:13:05.050 --> 00:13:05.270
  • OR EVEN SOMETHING.
  • 00:13:05.270 --> 00:13:07.130
  • BECAUSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING,
  • 00:13:07.130 --> 00:13:08.280
  • THEY'RE GONNA ASK, "WHERE DID
  • 00:13:08.280 --> 00:13:09.210
  • THAT SOMETHING COME FROM?"
  • 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:10.100
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:13:10.100 --> 00:13:11.020
  • SO, IT'S EITHER AN ETERNAL
  • 00:13:11.020 --> 00:13:13.040
  • NOTHINGNESS OR...
  • 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:13.260
  • AN ETERNAL CREATOR.
  • 00:13:13.260 --> 00:13:15.000
  • AND THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS
  • 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:15.270
  • US -- THAT GOD HAS
  • 00:13:15.270 --> 00:13:16.170
  • ALWAYS EXISTED.
  • 00:13:16.170 --> 00:13:17.170
  • AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOGIC AND
  • 00:13:17.170 --> 00:13:19.030
  • SCIENCE, IT BACKS UP WHAT
  • 00:13:19.030 --> 00:13:20.250
  • SCRIPTURE'S BEEN TELLING
  • 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:21.130
  • US ALL ALONG.
  • 00:13:21.130 --> 00:13:22.090
  • - DAVID: AND THAT'S THE
  • 00:13:22.090 --> 00:13:24.030
  • BIG...PICTURE ON ALL THE ORIGIN
  • 00:13:24.030 --> 00:13:24.250
  • OF STUFF IN THE UNIVERSE.
  • 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:26.040
  • THIS ALSO APPLIES TO THE ORIGIN
  • 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:27.240
  • OF LIFE ITSELF.
  • 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.070
  • NOW, WE ASKED PEOPLE ON THE
  • 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:31.080
  • STREET A BIG-PICTURE QUESTION.
  • 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.020
  • WE SAID, "DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE
  • 00:13:33.020 --> 00:13:34.100
  • EVOLUTION OF MAN...AND WHY?"
  • 00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:37.020
  • AND HERE'S WHAT WE GOT.
  • 00:13:37.020 --> 00:13:39.220
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:41.050
  • - VOICE OF WOMAN: I WANNA
  • 00:13:41.050 --> 00:13:41.280
  • BRING MY CAMERA.
  • 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:43.180
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UM...I BELIEVE
  • 00:13:43.180 --> 00:13:44.090
  • SO, BUT, THERE'S ALSO LIKE THE
  • 00:13:44.090 --> 00:13:45.160
  • MIDDLE...THING, LIKE THE--
  • 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:48.030
  • WHERE'S THE...THE BIG FOOT?
  • 00:13:48.030 --> 00:13:49.230
  • [GIGGLES]
  • 00:13:49.230 --> 00:13:50.160
  • SO, I BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:13:50.160 --> 00:13:52.230
  • IT'S, UH, JUST...YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:52.230 --> 00:13:54.020
  • THERE'S A GAP.
  • 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:55.050
  • SO, I WANNA FIGURE OUT WHERE
  • 00:13:55.050 --> 00:13:55.290
  • THE GAP IS.
  • 00:13:55.290 --> 00:13:58.070
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UM, I DO,
  • 00:13:58.070 --> 00:13:59.010
  • BECAUSE I THINK I'M MORE
  • 00:13:59.010 --> 00:13:59.260
  • PRONE TO SCIENCE.
  • 00:13:59.260 --> 00:14:01.040
  • UM...I WAS NEVER RAISED,
  • 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:02.210
  • LIKE, RELIGIOUS.
  • 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:04.070
  • SO, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE
  • 00:14:04.070 --> 00:14:04.280
  • ARGUMENT: IS IT RELIGION OR--
  • 00:14:04.280 --> 00:14:05.230
  • OR SCIENCE?
  • 00:14:05.230 --> 00:14:07.090
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I DO NOT.
  • 00:14:07.090 --> 00:14:08.250
  • I BELIEVE, UH, THAT...GOD
  • 00:14:08.250 --> 00:14:10.180
  • CREATED US IN HIS IMAGE.
  • 00:14:12.190 --> 00:14:15.190
  • AND I THINK THAT, UM...HE...
  • 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:16.290
  • CREATED A BUNCH OF BEINGS TO
  • 00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:19.110
  • HAVE THE ABILITY TO
  • 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:19.280
  • ADAPT AND...
  • 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:21.110
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I GUESS YOU'D
  • 00:14:21.110 --> 00:14:23.000
  • HAVE TO JUST LOOK AT THE PROOF
  • 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:23.260
  • AND SAY...
  • 00:14:23.260 --> 00:14:24.250
  • IF-- EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT HUMANS
  • 00:14:24.250 --> 00:14:27.010
  • JUST A FEW THOUSAND YEARS AGO,
  • 00:14:27.010 --> 00:14:28.220
  • HOW DIFFERENT HUMANS ARE,
  • 00:14:28.220 --> 00:14:29.230
  • NOW...
  • 00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:30.070
  • LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE
  • 00:14:30.070 --> 00:14:31.090
  • MUMMIES FROM THE EGYPTIAN
  • 00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:32.060
  • TIMES, HOW THEY'RE ALL LESS
  • 00:14:32.060 --> 00:14:33.060
  • THAN FIVE FOOT.
  • 00:14:33.060 --> 00:14:33.240
  • AND...
  • 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.030
  • SO, I'D LOVE TO LIVE BACK THEN,
  • 00:14:35.030 --> 00:14:36.060
  • BECAUSE I'M ONLY 5'9".
  • 00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:38.200
  • I'D BE CONSIDERED TALL BACK
  • 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.190
  • THEN.
  • 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:40.100
  • AND...HERE I AM.
  • 00:14:40.100 --> 00:14:41.030
  • I'M A MIDGET, COMPARED TO MOST
  • 00:14:41.030 --> 00:14:42.110
  • PEOPLE NOWADAYS.
  • 00:14:42.110 --> 00:14:43.040
  • SO, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO
  • 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:43.250
  • SAY YEAH.
  • 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:44.280
  • YOU'VE JUST GOT TO LOOK
  • 00:14:44.280 --> 00:14:45.160
  • AT THE FACTS.
  • 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:46.010
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UH...NO.
  • 00:14:46.010 --> 00:14:46.240
  • JUST-- I'M A CHRISTIAN, SO I
  • 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.080
  • BELIEVE IN...CREATION.
  • 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.040
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I DO NOT
  • 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:52.000
  • BELIEVE IN APES TO HUMANS, BUT
  • 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.090
  • I DO BELIEVE MAN MAY HAVE
  • 00:14:54.090 --> 00:14:55.250
  • EVOLVED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE,
  • 00:14:55.250 --> 00:14:57.150
  • JUST THROUGH...THROUGH GOD'S
  • 00:14:57.150 --> 00:14:59.290
  • HELP AND THROUGH NATURE.
  • 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:01.210
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:15:01.210 --> 00:15:02.260
  • THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME.
  • 00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:03.200
  • I'M NOT SURE THAT I BELIEVE IN
  • 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.040
  • THE STANDARD DEFINITION
  • 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:05.290
  • OF EVOLUTION.
  • 00:15:05.290 --> 00:15:06.150
  • BUT, I'VE WATCHED A BABY GROW,
  • 00:15:06.150 --> 00:15:08.060
  • AND SO, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE
  • 00:15:08.060 --> 00:15:09.160
  • SAME THING.
  • 00:15:09.160 --> 00:15:10.070
  • AND SO, MAYBE THE LORD DOES IT
  • 00:15:10.070 --> 00:15:12.000
  • A DIFFERENT WAY THAN...WHAT
  • 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.170
  • WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT IN SCHOOL,
  • 00:15:13.170 --> 00:15:14.180
  • SOMETIMES.
  • 00:15:14.180 --> 00:15:15.020
  • - INTERVIEWEE: YEAH, I THINK I
  • 00:15:15.020 --> 00:15:16.000
  • PROBABLY BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION.
  • 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:16.290
  • - INTERVIEWEE: OH, YES, I DO.
  • 00:15:16.290 --> 00:15:18.270
  • BECAUSE, UH...UH, THERE'S JUST
  • 00:15:18.270 --> 00:15:20.270
  • OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SCIENCE
  • 00:15:20.270 --> 00:15:22.110
  • TO PROVE IT.
  • 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:23.060
  • AND, UM, I'M...KIND OF AN
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:25.150
  • ATHEIST, MYSELF.
  • 00:15:25.150 --> 00:15:26.150
  • [LAUGHS]
  • 00:15:26.150 --> 00:15:27.290
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): I THINK
  • 00:15:27.290 --> 00:15:28.210
  • SO.
  • 00:15:28.210 --> 00:15:29.060
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): I
  • 00:15:29.060 --> 00:15:30.060
  • BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION, TO SOME
  • 00:15:30.060 --> 00:15:30.270
  • POINT.
  • 00:15:30.270 --> 00:15:31.060
  • I MEAN, I DO WONDER WHY WE
  • 00:15:31.060 --> 00:15:31.250
  • DON'T JUST HAVE PIECE
  • 00:15:31.250 --> 00:15:33.190
  • SPECIES IN THE PROCESS.
  • 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:34.140
  • YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN'?
  • 00:15:34.140 --> 00:15:35.060
  • BUT, ADAPTATION...YOU KNOW.
  • 00:15:35.060 --> 00:15:38.000
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): YEAH.
  • 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:38.200
  • - INTERVIEWEE: NO, I DON'T.
  • 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.120
  • I JUST...THINK THERE'S...A LOT
  • 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.180
  • OF UNEXPLAINED THINGS...
  • 00:15:41.180 --> 00:15:42.180
  • ABOUT LIFE.
  • 00:15:42.180 --> 00:15:45.110
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): MICRO.
  • 00:15:45.110 --> 00:15:46.020
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): YEAH.
  • 00:15:46.020 --> 00:15:47.010
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): YOU
  • 00:15:47.010 --> 00:15:48.010
  • KNOW, MICROEVOLUTION, UM...
  • 00:15:48.010 --> 00:15:48.210
  • ADAPTATION.
  • 00:15:48.210 --> 00:15:49.040
  • OR...MACRO.
  • 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:51.180
  • - INTERVIEWEE: NOT SO MUCH.
  • 00:15:51.180 --> 00:15:52.170
  • UM...I BELIEVE WE ARE MAMMALS.
  • 00:15:53.050 --> 00:15:56.050
  • BUT I BELIEVE THAT GOD
  • 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.200
  • CREATED US.
  • 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.120
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UM...YEAH, I
  • 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.020
  • BELIEVE IN THE THEORY OF
  • 00:16:02.020 --> 00:16:02.220
  • NATURAL SELECTION.
  • 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:04.000
  • UM...I-I-- I DO BELIEVE IN THE
  • 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.020
  • EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS.
  • 00:16:05.020 --> 00:16:07.210
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:09.290
  • - DAVID: NOW, THIS WAS
  • 00:16:09.290 --> 00:16:10.280
  • INTERESTING, BECAUSE, ACROSS
  • 00:16:10.280 --> 00:16:12.120
  • THE BOARD, PEOPLE KEPT DEFINING
  • 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.120
  • EVOLUTION DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.010
  • DID YOU NOTICE THAT?
  • 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:18.110
  • SO, WE WOULD GET ANYTHING FROM,
  • 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:20.050
  • "WELL, YES, I BELIEVE IN
  • 00:16:20.050 --> 00:16:21.130
  • EVOLUTION BECAUSE WE SEE
  • 00:16:21.130 --> 00:16:22.170
  • ADAPTATION," OR "YES, I BELIEVE
  • 00:16:22.170 --> 00:16:24.100
  • IN EVOLUTION, BECAUSE, YOU
  • 00:16:24.100 --> 00:16:25.220
  • KNOW, APES EVOLVED
  • 00:16:25.220 --> 00:16:27.250
  • INTO HUMANS."
  • 00:16:27.250 --> 00:16:28.160
  • OR, "NO, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE
  • 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:30.010
  • IN EVOLUTION, PERIOD."
  • 00:16:30.010 --> 00:16:31.250
  • EVOLUTION WAS DEFINED IN
  • 00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:33.100
  • PEOPLE'S MINDS IN SO MANY
  • 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:35.150
  • DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:16:35.150 --> 00:16:36.190
  • AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
  • 00:16:36.190 --> 00:16:38.050
  • YOU DON'T DEFINE THE TERMS.
  • 00:16:38.050 --> 00:16:39.170
  • - JAY: RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE
  • 00:16:39.170 --> 00:16:40.290
  • NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
  • 00:16:40.290 --> 00:16:42.100
  • IF SOMEONE SAYS THEY BELIEVE IN
  • 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:43.150
  • EVOLUTION, THE FIRST QUESTION
  • 00:16:43.150 --> 00:16:44.170
  • YOU SHOULD ASK IS,
  • 00:16:44.170 --> 00:16:45.130
  • "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY EVOLUTION?"
  • 00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:46.130
  • 'CAUSE IF THEY'RE JUST THINKING
  • 00:16:46.130 --> 00:16:47.200
  • CHANGE, I'D SAY: "I'M RIGHT
  • 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:48.130
  • THERE WITH YA.
  • 00:16:48.130 --> 00:16:49.030
  • I BELIEVE IN CHANGE, TOO."
  • 00:16:49.030 --> 00:16:49.250
  • BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE CHANGES
  • 00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:50.270
  • ARE GOING UPHILL THAT COULD
  • 00:16:50.270 --> 00:16:52.050
  • CHANGE A SINGLE-CELLED ORGANISM
  • 00:16:52.050 --> 00:16:53.020
  • INTO A HUMAN BEING.
  • 00:16:53.020 --> 00:16:54.190
  • - DAVID: VERY GOOD.
  • 00:16:54.190 --> 00:16:57.110
  • UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ORIGIN
  • 00:16:57.110 --> 00:16:58.030
  • OF LIFE FOR A MOMENT.
  • 00:16:58.030 --> 00:16:58.200
  • UH, BIG-PICTURE VIEW.
  • 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.020
  • - JAY: ANOTHER BIG PICTURE --
  • 00:17:01.020 --> 00:17:02.050
  • AGAIN, SIMPLE CATEGORY: WHERE
  • 00:17:02.050 --> 00:17:02.270
  • DID STUFF COME FROM?
  • 00:17:02.270 --> 00:17:03.290
  • AND THEN, ONCE YOU GET STUFF,
  • 00:17:03.290 --> 00:17:05.150
  • HOW DID DEAD CHEMICALS
  • 00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:06.080
  • BECOME ALIVE?
  • 00:17:06.080 --> 00:17:08.020
  • WITH, WITH LIMITED TIME, HERE,
  • 00:17:08.020 --> 00:17:08.230
  • WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT THE
  • 00:17:08.230 --> 00:17:09.210
  • PROBABILITY OF DEAD CHEMICALS
  • 00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:11.150
  • BECOMING ALIVE.
  • 00:17:11.150 --> 00:17:12.180
  • AND SIR FRED HOYLE
  • 00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:15.050
  • HE WAS ONE OF THE
  • 00:17:15.050 --> 00:17:15.250
  • WORLD'S LEADING ASTRONOMERS
  • 00:17:15.250 --> 00:17:16.260
  • AND MATHEMATICIANS.
  • 00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:18.200
  • HE WAS AN ATHEIST FOR MOST OF
  • 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.170
  • HIS LIFE.
  • 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:20.040
  • CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THERE
  • 00:17:20.040 --> 00:17:21.080
  • MUST BE A GOD, JUST BY STUDYING
  • 00:17:21.080 --> 00:17:22.080
  • MATH AND SCIENCE.
  • 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:23.050
  • HE SAID THAT THE CHANCES THAT
  • 00:17:23.050 --> 00:17:24.270
  • LIFE COULD HAVE FORMED BY
  • 00:17:24.270 --> 00:17:26.090
  • ACCIDENT, IN ALL THE GIVEN TIME
  • 00:17:26.090 --> 00:17:27.210
  • THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:29.250
  • BILLIONS OF YEARS --
  • 00:17:29.250 --> 00:17:30.260
  • THERE'S JUST ONE CHANCE IN...
  • 00:17:30.260 --> 00:17:31.170
  • NOW, BEFORE I SAY THE NUMBER --
  • 00:17:31.270 --> 00:17:34.270
  • I JUST RECENTLY STARTED DOING
  • 00:17:34.270 --> 00:17:36.090
  • THIS -- I ASKED THE AUDIENCE,
  • 00:17:36.090 --> 00:17:38.240
  • "WHAT'S YOUR CUTOFF?"
  • 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.130
  • AND THEY SAY, "WELL, WHAT DO
  • 00:17:41.130 --> 00:17:42.030
  • YOU MEAN?"
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:42.170
  • I SAID, "IF YOU FIND OUT THE
  • 00:17:42.170 --> 00:17:43.120
  • CHANCES ARE LESS THAN ONE
  • 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:44.240
  • CHANCE IN SOME NUMBER, YOU'RE
  • 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.120
  • GONNA SAY, 'OKAY, THAT CAN'T BE
  • 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:47.150
  • AN ACCIDENT.'"
  • 00:17:47.150 --> 00:17:48.130
  • SAID, "IF YOU DON'T COME UP
  • 00:17:48.130 --> 00:17:49.230
  • WITH THAT CRITERIA, NO NUMBER I
  • 00:17:49.230 --> 00:17:50.200
  • THROW OUT THERE'S GONNA HAVE
  • 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.050
  • ANY MEANING."
  • 00:17:52.050 --> 00:17:53.010
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:17:53.010 --> 00:17:54.060
  • - JAY: "YOU GOTTA HAVE--
  • 00:17:54.060 --> 00:17:54.250
  • WHAT'S YOUR CUTOFF?"
  • 00:17:54.250 --> 00:17:55.110
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:17:55.110 --> 00:17:55.270
  • - JAY: SO, LET'S JUST SAY, FOR
  • 00:17:55.270 --> 00:17:56.190
  • ARGUMENT'S SAKE, THEY SAY,
  • 00:17:56.190 --> 00:17:57.100
  • 10 MILLION BILLION.
  • 00:17:57.100 --> 00:17:59.160
  • IF THERE WAS LESS THAN ONE
  • 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.170
  • CHANCE IN 10 MILLION BILLION,
  • 00:18:00.170 --> 00:18:01.190
  • THEY WOULD SAY, "NO, THAT'S NOT
  • 00:18:01.190 --> 00:18:02.160
  • OKAY, THE NUMBER HE
  • 00:18:03.120 --> 00:18:03.280
  • GAVE US IS ONE CHANCE IN 10
  • 00:18:04.090 --> 00:18:07.090
  • RAISED TO THE FORTY-THOUSANDTH
  • 00:18:07.090 --> 00:18:08.270
  • POWER, WHICH IS A 1 WITH 40.000
  • 00:18:09.250 --> 00:18:12.250
  • NOW, HOW BIG IS THAT?
  • 00:18:14.060 --> 00:18:16.100
  • IS THAT BIGGER THAN 10 MILLION
  • 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:17.060
  • BILLION, THE NUMBER I THREW OUT
  • 00:18:17.060 --> 00:18:18.290
  • THERE FOR THEIR CRITERIA?
  • 00:18:18.290 --> 00:18:19.250
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:18:19.250 --> 00:18:20.140
  • - JAY: IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER.
  • 00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:21.090
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:22.270
  • - JAY: IT'S ACTUALLY
  • 00:18:22.270 --> 00:18:23.150
  • 10 MILLION BILLION
  • 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:24.030
  • X
  • 00:18:24.030 --> 00:18:25.050
  • 10 MILLION BILLION
  • 00:18:25.050 --> 00:18:25.250
  • X
  • 00:18:25.250 --> 00:18:26.080
  • 10 MILLION BILLION
  • 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:26.230
  • X
  • 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:27.030
  • 10 MILLION BILLION,
  • 00:18:27.030 --> 00:18:28.030
  • TWO AND A HALF THOUSAND TIMES!
  • 00:18:28.030 --> 00:18:29.140
  • MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER BY ITSELF.
  • 00:18:29.140 --> 00:18:30.150
  • THEN, YOU GET THE NUMBERS
  • 00:18:30.150 --> 00:18:31.220
  • SIR FRED HOYLE GAVE US.
  • 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:33.160
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.220
  • - JAY: NOW, IT'S STILL SO BIG
  • 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:35.130
  • THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T
  • 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:36.000
  • COMPREHEND IT.
  • 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:36.160
  • SO, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ANALOGY,
  • 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.110
  • HERE.
  • 00:18:37.110 --> 00:18:38.180
  • AND THAT IS...A RUBIK'S CUBE.
  • 00:18:38.180 --> 00:18:40.110
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:41.270
  • - JAY: MOST PEOPLE HAVE PLAYED
  • 00:18:41.270 --> 00:18:42.190
  • WITH A RUBIK'S CUBE.
  • 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:43.080
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:18:43.080 --> 00:18:43.230
  • - JAY: A RUBIK'S CUBE
  • 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:44.100
  • IS INTERESTING.
  • 00:18:44.100 --> 00:18:45.130
  • IT HAS 10 MILLION TRILLION
  • 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:46.110
  • DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS.
  • 00:18:46.110 --> 00:18:47.100
  • - DAVID: AH.
  • 00:18:47.100 --> 00:18:47.260
  • OKAY.
  • 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:48.140
  • - JAY: ONLY ONE IS RIGHT.
  • 00:18:48.140 --> 00:18:49.050
  • SO, IF YOU'RE BLINDFOLDED,
  • 00:18:49.050 --> 00:18:50.070
  • SPINNING RANDOMLY, YOU GOT ONE
  • 00:18:50.070 --> 00:18:51.110
  • CHANCE IN 10 MILLION TRILLION
  • 00:18:51.110 --> 00:18:53.140
  • IN GETTING IT RIGHT.
  • 00:18:53.140 --> 00:18:55.060
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:55.060 --> 00:18:56.000
  • - JAY: MOST PEOPLE SAY,
  • 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:56.180
  • "YEAH..."
  • 00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:57.060
  • THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
  • 00:18:57.060 --> 00:18:57.240
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:58.080
  • - JAY: LET'S COMPARE SOLVING
  • 00:18:58.080 --> 00:18:59.080
  • THE CUBE BY ACCIDENT TO THE BIG
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.020
  • NUMBER SIR FRED HOYLE
  • 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:00.200
  • GAVE US.
  • 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:01.200
  • - DAVID: BLINDFOLD SOMEONE
  • 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.100
  • AND...
  • 00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:02.280
  • - JAY: YOU BLINDFOLD SOMEONE,
  • 00:19:02.280 --> 00:19:03.230
  • YOU HAND 'EM THE CUBE, THEY
  • 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:04.180
  • START SPINNING IT AWAY, AND
  • 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:06.040
  • THEY SOLVE THAT CUBE 2.105
  • 00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:07.060
  • TIMES IN A ROW, GETTING IT
  • 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:08.160
  • RIGHT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
  • 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.260
  • - DAVID: REALLY?
  • 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.100
  • - JAY: THOSE ARE THE ODDS.
  • 00:19:11.100 --> 00:19:12.020
  • - DAVID: I MEAN, WE'RE NOT
  • 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:12.280
  • TALKING ABOUT...THEY GET IT
  • 00:19:12.280 --> 00:19:13.290
  • RIGHT, ONCE.
  • 00:19:13.290 --> 00:19:14.160
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.120
  • 2.000 TIMES--
  • 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:16.190
  • - JAY: AND 105 TIMES.
  • 00:19:16.190 --> 00:19:19.010
  • - DAVID: --BLINDFOLDED, JUST
  • 00:19:19.010 --> 00:19:20.040
  • RANDOMLY GETTING IT RIGHT, AND
  • 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:21.060
  • THIS-- THESE ARE THE ODDS THAT
  • 00:19:21.060 --> 00:19:23.110
  • SIR FRED HOYLE CAME UP WITH,
  • 00:19:23.110 --> 00:19:25.260
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:19:25.260 --> 00:19:26.160
  • NOW, HE, EVENTUALLY,
  • 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:27.200
  • TURNED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE
  • 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.010
  • WAS A DESIGNER, RIGHT?
  • 00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:31.240
  • - JAY: A DESIGNER, NOT
  • 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.120
  • NECESSARILY THE GOD OF THE
  • 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:34.150
  • BIBLE, BUT HE, AT LEAST, SAW
  • 00:19:34.150 --> 00:19:35.230
  • JUST FROM MATH--
  • 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:36.180
  • - DAVID: JUST FROM
  • 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:38.070
  • INTELLIGENCE.
  • 00:19:38.070 --> 00:19:38.270
  • - JAY: --THAT THE WORLD WE'RE
  • 00:19:38.270 --> 00:19:39.180
  • LIVING IN CANNOT BE
  • 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:41.040
  • AN ACCIDENT.
  • 00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:41.170
  • - DAVID: SO...LET'S TALK ABOUT
  • 00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:42.090
  • THAT FOR JUST A SECOND.
  • 00:19:42.090 --> 00:19:44.210
  • BECAUSE, INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
  • 00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:45.230
  • MANY SCIENTISTS HAVE ADMITTED
  • 00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:47.080
  • THAT EVERYTHING IS SO COMPLEX,
  • 00:19:47.080 --> 00:19:49.190
  • SO ORDERLY, SO APPARENTLY
  • 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:52.010
  • DESIGNED THAT THEY THINK:
  • 00:19:52.010 --> 00:19:53.110
  • WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY
  • 00:19:53.110 --> 00:19:54.290
  • SOME OF AN INTELLIGENCE, SOME
  • 00:19:54.290 --> 00:19:56.110
  • SORT OF A DESIGNER OUT THERE.
  • 00:19:56.110 --> 00:19:58.090
  • BUT THEN, THEY WILL TAKE A LEAP
  • 00:19:58.090 --> 00:20:00.030
  • TO GO ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:01.170
  • BIBLE, BECAUSE THE BIBLE ISN'T
  • 00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:02.240
  • IN VOGUE, RIGHT?
  • 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.260
  • SO, THEY WOULD SAY: WELL, MAYBE
  • 00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:05.010
  • IT'S AN ALIEN.
  • 00:20:05.010 --> 00:20:06.160
  • OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE
  • 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:08.140
  • THAT WE STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:09.120
  • WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?
  • 00:20:09.120 --> 00:20:12.020
  • IS THERE ANY WAY TO POINT IT
  • 00:20:12.020 --> 00:20:13.040
  • BACK TO THE BIBLE,
  • 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:14.040
  • AT THAT POINT?
  • 00:20:14.040 --> 00:20:14.210
  • - JAY: SURE.
  • 00:20:14.210 --> 00:20:16.000
  • I WOULD FIRST AGREE WITH 'EM,
  • 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.050
  • SAYING: THIS IS GREAT.
  • 00:20:17.050 --> 00:20:18.160
  • YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT
  • 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:19.240
  • THERE'S EVIDENCE OF DESIGN.
  • 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:20.290
  • BUT, AGAIN, THE PHYSICAL THINGS
  • 00:20:20.290 --> 00:20:22.160
  • -- LOOKING AT DIRT AND DNA
  • 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.130
  • WOULD NEVER TELL YOU WHO
  • 00:20:24.130 --> 00:20:25.200
  • CREATED IT, SO THERE'S THE
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.250
  • PROBLEM, AT THAT POINT.
  • 00:20:26.250 --> 00:20:29.090
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:20:29.090 --> 00:20:29.230
  • - JAY: THE ONLY WAY WE COULD
  • 00:20:29.230 --> 00:20:30.140
  • KNOW IS IF THAT CREATOR, AGAIN,
  • 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:31.060
  • LEFT US A NOTE.
  • 00:20:31.060 --> 00:20:32.000
  • AND, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT'S
  • 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:32.220
  • WHAT THE BIBLE CLAIMS
  • 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:33.090
  • FOR ITSELF.
  • 00:20:33.090 --> 00:20:34.190
  • IT'S SAYING: HEY, I'M THE ONE
  • 00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:35.110
  • WHO CREATED EVERYTHING.
  • 00:20:35.110 --> 00:20:37.020
  • HERE'S WHY.
  • 00:20:37.020 --> 00:20:37.280
  • HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
  • 00:20:37.280 --> 00:20:38.200
  • TO YOU WHEN YOU DIE.
  • 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:39.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:20:39.080 --> 00:20:41.200
  • - JAY: NOW, JUST BECAUSE IT
  • 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:42.100
  • CLAIMS IT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS.
  • 00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:43.040
  • BUT THEN, WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK
  • 00:20:43.040 --> 00:20:43.250
  • AT EVIDENCES OF THE INSPIRATION
  • 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:44.240
  • OF SCRIPTURE, YOU FIND OUT IT
  • 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.150
  • BACKS ITSELF UP ALL
  • 00:20:45.150 --> 00:20:46.160
  • ALONG THE WAY.
  • 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:47.170
  • SO, IT DOES TAKE US THE NEXT
  • 00:20:47.170 --> 00:20:48.170
  • STEP TO NOT ONLY SAY THERE IS A
  • 00:20:48.170 --> 00:20:50.010
  • DESIGNER, BUT WHO THAT
  • 00:20:50.010 --> 00:20:51.140
  • DESIGNER IS.
  • 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:52.120
  • - DAVID: THAT'S FASCINATING.
  • 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:53.030
  • OKAY.
  • 00:20:53.030 --> 00:20:54.000
  • WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ORIGIN
  • 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.010
  • OF LIFE, WE TALK ABOUT THE
  • 00:20:56.010 --> 00:20:57.000
  • ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING
  • 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:57.270
  • IN THE UNIVERSE.
  • 00:20:57.270 --> 00:20:58.150
  • AND THEN, WE GET DOWN TO THE
  • 00:20:58.150 --> 00:21:00.120
  • NITTY-GRITTY.
  • 00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:02.180
  • SO, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE
  • 00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:03.180
  • HUMAN BODY, BUT INTO ALL LIFE,
  • 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:04.090
  • THE ORIGIN OF INFORMATION
  • 00:21:04.090 --> 00:21:06.060
  • ITSELF IN THE DNA CODE, IN OUR
  • 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:07.100
  • GENETICS, IN...EVERY BLADE
  • 00:21:09.090 --> 00:21:12.090
  • OF GRASS.
  • 00:21:12.090 --> 00:21:13.090
  • TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:21:13.090 --> 00:21:13.250
  • - JAY: SURE.
  • 00:21:13.250 --> 00:21:15.020
  • ALL LIVING THINGS
  • 00:21:15.020 --> 00:21:15.230
  • REQUIRE INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:16.190
  • SO, AGAIN, BIG PICTURE --
  • 00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:17.290
  • YOU'RE TALKING TO, LET'S SAY,
  • 00:21:17.290 --> 00:21:19.040
  • AN ATHEIST.
  • 00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:19.210
  • YOU ASK THEM: HELP
  • 00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:20.200
  • ME UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:21.060
  • WE SEE ALL THIS INFORMATION IN
  • 00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:22.100
  • LIVING WORLD, IN OUR DNA AND
  • 00:21:22.100 --> 00:21:24.040
  • ALL THAT.
  • 00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:25.020
  • WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION
  • 00:21:25.020 --> 00:21:26.070
  • COME FROM?
  • 00:21:26.070 --> 00:21:27.260
  • 'CAUSE HERE'S THE PROBLEM: WHEN
  • 00:21:27.260 --> 00:21:28.180
  • YOU LOOK AT A NEWSPAPER, MADE
  • 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:29.180
  • OUT OF PAPER AND INK, IT'S GOT
  • 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:30.290
  • A LOT OF INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:30.290 --> 00:21:31.290
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:31.290 --> 00:21:32.240
  • - JAY: BOOKS -- PAPER AND INK
  • 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:33.150
  • -- EVEN MORE INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:33.150 --> 00:21:34.040
  • A CD, A SINGLE CD, CAN HOLD
  • 00:21:34.040 --> 00:21:36.210
  • ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PAGES
  • 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:37.230
  • OF TEXT IN IT; MADE OUT OF
  • 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:38.290
  • METAL AND PLASTIC.
  • 00:21:38.290 --> 00:21:40.090
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:21:40.090 --> 00:21:40.270
  • - JAY: COMPUTER HARD DRIVE --
  • 00:21:40.270 --> 00:21:41.240
  • METAL AND PLASTIC -- CAN HOLD
  • 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:42.220
  • EVEN MORE INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:42.220 --> 00:21:43.170
  • - DAVID: IT'S TRUE.
  • 00:21:43.170 --> 00:21:44.190
  • - JAY: IN EACH OF THESE CASES,
  • 00:21:44.190 --> 00:21:45.140
  • THE PHYSICAL MATERIALS
  • 00:21:45.140 --> 00:21:46.230
  • DO A GREAT JOB OF
  • 00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:47.270
  • STORING INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:47.270 --> 00:21:48.190
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:21:48.190 --> 00:21:49.100
  • - JAY: BUT, IN NONE OF THOSE
  • 00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:50.070
  • CASES, DID THOSE PHYSICAL
  • 00:21:50.070 --> 00:21:51.060
  • MATERIALS CREATE
  • 00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:52.190
  • THE INFORMATION.
  • 00:21:52.190 --> 00:21:53.100
  • - DAVID: TRUE.
  • 00:21:53.100 --> 00:21:54.050
  • - JAY: THE AUTHOR WROTE THE
  • 00:21:54.050 --> 00:21:55.030
  • BOOK, SOFTWARE ENGINEERS
  • 00:21:55.030 --> 00:21:56.120
  • DESIGNED MICROSOFT OFFICE
  • 00:21:56.120 --> 00:21:57.200
  • SOFTWARE THAT'S ON THE CD.
  • 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.040
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:00.220
  • - JAY: IN EACH CASE, YOU CAN
  • 00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:01.130
  • TRACE IT BACK TO AN
  • 00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:02.030
  • INTELLIGENT SOURCE.
  • 00:22:02.030 --> 00:22:02.240
  • SO, NOW, YOU FAST FORWARD AND
  • 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.170
  • YOU LOOK AT DNA, WHICH DOES AN
  • 00:22:04.170 --> 00:22:05.180
  • EVEN BETTER JOB OF
  • 00:22:05.180 --> 00:22:07.000
  • STORING INFORMATION.
  • 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:07.210
  • WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION
  • 00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:08.290
  • COME FROM?
  • 00:22:08.290 --> 00:22:10.020
  • AGAIN, AN ATHEIST DOESN'T HAVE
  • 00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:11.160
  • A MECHANISM TO CREATE THE
  • 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.060
  • VOLUMES AND VOLUMES
  • 00:22:13.060 --> 00:22:14.100
  • OF INFORMATION.
  • 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:15.070
  • JUST A PINHEAD AMOUNT OF OUR
  • 00:22:15.070 --> 00:22:16.160
  • OWN DNA, THE AMOUNT OF
  • 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.080
  • INFORMATION THAT COULD BE
  • 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:19.200
  • STORED THERE, IS THE EQUIVALENT
  • 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:20.250
  • TO ABOUT 2 MILLION 2 TERABYTE
  • 00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:23.140
  • HARD DRIVES.
  • 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:24.140
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:25.090
  • - JAY: SO, A 2 TERABYTE HARD
  • 00:22:25.090 --> 00:22:26.130
  • DRIVE CAN HOLD A LOT
  • 00:22:26.130 --> 00:22:27.020
  • OF INFORMATION!
  • 00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:29.240
  • - DAVID: YES!
  • 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:30.080
  • - JAY: PINHEAD OF OUR DNA
  • 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:31.020
  • COULD HOLD 2 MILLION OF THOSE
  • 00:22:31.020 --> 00:22:31.260
  • IN THAT SMALL AMOUNT.
  • 00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:32.180
  • SO, WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION
  • 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:33.090
  • COME FROM?
  • 00:22:33.090 --> 00:22:33.250
  • - DAVID: SO, NOT ONLY IS IT
  • 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:34.240
  • INFORMATION, BUT IT'S
  • 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:35.170
  • EFFICIENCY MORE THAN OUR
  • 00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:37.020
  • TECHNOLOGY COULD EVER
  • 00:22:37.020 --> 00:22:39.000
  • ALLOW TODAY.
  • 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:40.010
  • AND...NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WHEN
  • 00:22:40.010 --> 00:22:41.260
  • WE LOOK AT DNA, IT CAN BE
  • 00:22:41.260 --> 00:22:43.100
  • EXPRESSED AS A WRITTEN
  • 00:22:43.100 --> 00:22:45.160
  • LANGUAGE, AN INFORMATION
  • 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.050
  • LANGUAGE SYSTEM.
  • 00:22:47.050 --> 00:22:48.140
  • NOW, OF COURSE, WE DESIGNATE
  • 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:50.010
  • LETTERS TO THE BASE PAIRS.
  • 00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:51.170
  • BUT...WHEN YOU WRITE IT OUT, IT
  • 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:54.180
  • MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT THIS
  • 00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:55.150
  • IS SOME TYPE OF A...LANGUAGE
  • 00:22:56.010 --> 00:22:59.010
  • SYSTEM WITH INFORMATION ON HOW
  • 00:22:59.010 --> 00:23:01.060
  • TO MAKE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF
  • 00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:03.170
  • US -- IN FACT, INFORMATION ON
  • 00:23:03.170 --> 00:23:04.140
  • HOW TO MAKE EACH AND EVERY ONE
  • 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:05.230
  • OF US FROM A SINGLE CELL.
  • 00:23:05.230 --> 00:23:06.290
  • - JAY: RIGHT.
  • 00:23:06.290 --> 00:23:07.250
  • AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT
  • 00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:09.030
  • OTHER PROGRAMS ABOUT THE
  • 00:23:09.030 --> 00:23:10.040
  • INFORMATION CAN GO FORWARDS
  • 00:23:10.040 --> 00:23:11.280
  • AND BACKWARDS.
  • 00:23:11.280 --> 00:23:13.000
  • AND, JUST....REALLY
  • 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:13.260
  • QUICK ANALOGY.
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  • LET'S SAY YOU WORK FOR A
  • 00:23:14.230 --> 00:23:15.280
  • CELL-PHONE COMPANY AND IT'S
  • 00:23:15.280 --> 00:23:16.280
  • YOUR JOB TO WRITE THE
  • 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:18.160
  • INSTRUCTION MANUAL TO GIVE TO
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  • THE MANUFACTURING PLANT TO MAKE
  • 00:23:20.010 --> 00:23:21.190
  • THE CELL PHONE.
  • 00:23:21.190 --> 00:23:22.130
  • BOSS COMES TO YOU, ONE DAY, AND
  • 00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:23.130
  • SAYS: "I GOT A PROJECT FOR YOU.
  • 00:23:23.130 --> 00:23:24.200
  • I NEED YOU TO WRITE THE
  • 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:25.140
  • INSTRUCTION, THE CHAPTER, THAT
  • 00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:27.140
  • EXPLAINS HOW THE PHONE'S GONNA
  • 00:23:27.140 --> 00:23:28.160
  • DOWNLOAD APPS FROM THE WEB."
  • 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:29.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:30.050
  • - JAY: YOU SAY, "OKAY."
  • 00:23:30.050 --> 00:23:30.230
  • HE GOES, "OH, WAIT A MINUTE --
  • 00:23:30.230 --> 00:23:31.260
  • ONE OTHER MINOR DETAIL: WHEN
  • 00:23:31.260 --> 00:23:32.170
  • YOU WRITE THAT CHAPTER, YOU
  • 00:23:32.170 --> 00:23:33.230
  • HAVE TO WRITE IT IN SUCH A WAY
  • 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:34.280
  • THAT WHEN WE READ IT BACKWARDS,
  • 00:23:34.280 --> 00:23:36.110
  • IT WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE PHONE'S
  • 00:23:36.110 --> 00:23:37.210
  • GONNA PLAY MUSIC FILES."
  • 00:23:37.210 --> 00:23:38.210
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:39.240
  • AND YOU WOULD LAUGH, SAYING,
  • 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:40.160
  • "OH, GREAT."
  • 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:41.140
  • YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- THAT'S
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:42.120
  • IMPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:23:42.120 --> 00:23:43.030
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:23:43.030 --> 00:23:45.190
  • - JAY: HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:46.090
  • THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED
  • 00:23:46.090 --> 00:23:46.290
  • ABOUT OUT HUMAN DNA.
  • 00:23:46.290 --> 00:23:47.210
  • MUCH OF IT CAN NOT ONLY BE READ
  • 00:23:47.210 --> 00:23:48.220
  • FORWARDS, BUT ALSO BACKWARDS.
  • 00:23:48.220 --> 00:23:49.280
  • ENTIRE CHAPTERS OF COMPLEX
  • 00:23:49.280 --> 00:23:50.260
  • INSTRUCTIONS, CODING TO MAKE
  • 00:23:50.260 --> 00:23:52.010
  • CERTAIN PROTEINS.
  • 00:23:52.010 --> 00:23:54.010
  • YOU READ IT BACKWARDS, IT MAKES
  • 00:23:54.010 --> 00:23:54.260
  • COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROTEINS
  • 00:23:54.260 --> 00:23:55.190
  • CARRYING OUT A COMPLETELY
  • 00:23:55.190 --> 00:23:56.080
  • DIFFERENT FUNCTION IN
  • 00:23:56.080 --> 00:23:56.250
  • YOUR BODY.
  • 00:23:56.250 --> 00:23:57.190
  • THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GONNA
  • 00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:58.090
  • HAPPEN BY PARTICLES SMASHING
  • 00:23:58.090 --> 00:23:59.130
  • TOGETHER IN NATURE.
  • 00:23:59.130 --> 00:24:00.230
  • - DAVID: NO, THAT'S
  • 00:24:00.230 --> 00:24:01.220
  • INCREDIBLE.
  • 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:02.070
  • THAT IS-- IT TAKES AN--
  • 00:24:02.070 --> 00:24:03.240
  • IT SEEMS TO TAKE AN
  • 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:04.260
  • INTELLIGENCE TO DO THAT.
  • 00:24:04.260 --> 00:24:05.180
  • NOW, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WOULD
  • 00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:07.080
  • YOU BE WILLING TO TACKLE A
  • 00:24:07.080 --> 00:24:08.110
  • QUESTION FROM ONE OF
  • 00:24:08.110 --> 00:24:09.020
  • OUR VIEWERS?
  • 00:24:09.030 --> 00:24:12.030
  • - JAY: YOU BET.
  • 00:24:12.030 --> 00:24:12.260
  • - DAVID: LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
  • 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:13.160
  • [MUSIC INTERLUDE]
  • 00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:16.260
  • - MALE ON CAMERA: SO, I'D LIKE
  • 00:24:16.260 --> 00:24:18.160
  • TO KNOW HOW I MIGHT RESPOND TO
  • 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.070
  • A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:24:19.070 --> 00:24:20.080
  • THE ANSWER TO.
  • 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:22.140
  • [MUSIC INTERLUDE]
  • 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.040
  • - JAY: VERY PRACTICAL
  • 00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:25.210
  • QUESTION.
  • 00:24:25.210 --> 00:24:26.220
  • HERE'S MY ADVICE: SAY,
  • 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:28.120
  • "I DON'T KNOW."
  • 00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:29.280
  • WHY?
  • 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:30.280
  • 'CAUSE IT'S TRUE!
  • 00:24:30.280 --> 00:24:32.100
  • YOU DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:24:32.100 --> 00:24:33.050
  • THEN, FOLLOW IT UP.
  • 00:24:33.050 --> 00:24:34.050
  • SAY: "YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:34.270
  • THAT IS AN INTERESTING
  • 00:24:34.270 --> 00:24:35.140
  • QUESTION.
  • 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:36.000
  • I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER,
  • 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:36.220
  • BUT, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
  • 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:37.160
  • IF I CAN GO AND GET A RESPONSE,
  • 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.030
  • A REASONABLE RESPONSE FOR YOU,
  • 00:24:40.030 --> 00:24:41.190
  • UM, WHAT DIFFERENCE
  • 00:24:41.190 --> 00:24:43.260
  • WILL IT MAKE?
  • 00:24:43.260 --> 00:24:44.180
  • WILL YOU BE WILLING TO HEAR
  • 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:45.180
  • MORE OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY
  • 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:46.070
  • ABOUT THE BIBLE AND JESUS?"
  • 00:24:46.070 --> 00:24:47.020
  • IF THEY SAY NO, THEN THEY'RE
  • 00:24:47.020 --> 00:24:48.250
  • NOT REALLY LOOKING
  • 00:24:48.250 --> 00:24:49.240
  • FOR AN ANSWER.
  • 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.130
  • YOU ALSO HAVE TO ASK THEM:
  • 00:24:51.130 --> 00:24:52.030
  • "IS THIS ONE OF YOUR MOST
  • 00:24:52.030 --> 00:24:53.100
  • IMPORTANT QUESTIONS?
  • 00:24:53.100 --> 00:24:55.040
  • IF IT'S NOT, CAN YOU GIVE ME
  • 00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:56.050
  • ONE OF THE TOP THREE OR FIVE?"
  • 00:24:56.050 --> 00:24:58.100
  • OTHERWISE, YOU ANSWER AND THEY
  • 00:24:58.100 --> 00:24:59.010
  • SAY, "YEAH, I DON'T CARE ABOUT
  • 00:24:59.010 --> 00:24:59.230
  • THAT; WHAT ABOUT THIS?"
  • 00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:00.190
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:25:00.190 --> 00:25:01.140
  • - JAY: SO, YOU WANNA QUALIFY:
  • 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:02.090
  • "IS THIS A BIGGIE?
  • 00:25:02.090 --> 00:25:02.250
  • IF IT IS, WE'LL TACKLE IT.
  • 00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:03.140
  • IF NOT, GIVE ME YOUR
  • 00:25:03.140 --> 00:25:04.170
  • TOP QUESTIONS."
  • 00:25:04.170 --> 00:25:05.260
  • AND THEN, ALSO: "WHAT WILL YOUR
  • 00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:07.050
  • RESPONSE BE IF I DO GIVE
  • 00:25:07.050 --> 00:25:08.090
  • YOU AN ANSWER?
  • 00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.160
  • ARE YOU WILLING TO HEAR MORE?"
  • 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:10.230
  • - DAVID: YEAH, SO-- SO, "WHAT
  • 00:25:10.230 --> 00:25:12.010
  • QUESTION COULD YOU ASK THAT
  • 00:25:12.010 --> 00:25:13.210
  • WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A
  • 00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:16.080
  • DIFFERENCE IN YOUR
  • 00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:16.290
  • THOUGHT PROCESS?"
  • 00:25:16.290 --> 00:25:18.080
  • AND WE NEED TO SORT OF NARROW
  • 00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:20.100
  • THOSE THINGS DOWN...AND TRY TO
  • 00:25:20.100 --> 00:25:21.170
  • TACKLE THOSE.
  • 00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:25.040
  • AND, OFTEN, IT'S BIG-PICTURE
  • 00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:25.240
  • QUESTIONS, ISN'T IT?
  • 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:26.100
  • - JAY: IT IS.
  • 00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:27.070
  • THE BIG ONES ARE IMPORTANT,
  • 00:25:27.070 --> 00:25:27.270
  • BECAUSE, IF YOU SOLVE A MINOR
  • 00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:28.180
  • QUESTION, WELL, THAT DOESN'T
  • 00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:29.090
  • MATTER AS MUCH.
  • 00:25:29.090 --> 00:25:29.230
  • THE BIG PICTURE IS SOMETHING
  • 00:25:29.230 --> 00:25:31.000
  • THAT'S VERY PRACTICAL FOR THE
  • 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.120
  • TYPICAL CHRISTIAN TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:25:32.120 --> 00:25:33.200
  • ADDRESS WITH AN ATHEIST.
  • 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.190
  • YOU KEEP IT ON A HIGHER LEVEL.
  • 00:25:35.190 --> 00:25:36.240
  • IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO KNOW
  • 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:37.200
  • RADIOMETRIC DATING OR ANYTHING
  • 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.290
  • LIKE THAT.
  • 00:25:38.290 --> 00:25:39.280
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:41.090
  • UH, IN 30 SECONDS,
  • 00:25:41.090 --> 00:25:41.250
  • ANY...TAKEAWAY MESSAGE THAT WE
  • 00:25:41.250 --> 00:25:43.120
  • CAN GET FROM...BY BETTER
  • 00:25:44.170 --> 00:25:47.170
  • EFFECTIVELY WITNESSING TO THE
  • 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.200
  • PEOPLE THAT WE REACH
  • 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:51.140
  • ON THE STREETS?
  • 00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:52.070
  • - JAY: SURE.
  • 00:25:52.070 --> 00:25:52.230
  • JUST REPEAT IT AS BEING
  • 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:55.160
  • GRACIOUS, GRACIOUS, GRACIOUS.
  • 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.200
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.240
  • - JAY: THIS IS A SPIRITUAL
  • 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.140
  • ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH.
  • 00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.090
  • GOD HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS
  • 00:25:59.090 --> 00:26:00.050
  • WITH US.
  • 00:26:00.050 --> 00:26:01.010
  • WHY WOULDN'T WE, IN TURN, BE
  • 00:26:01.010 --> 00:26:02.010
  • GRACIOUS WITH A SKEPTIC WHO IS
  • 00:26:02.010 --> 00:26:04.130
  • SPIRITUALLY BLINDED?
  • 00:26:04.130 --> 00:26:05.020
  • THEY DON'T JUST NEED MORE
  • 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:06.090
  • FACTS; THEY NEED A DIFFERENT
  • 00:26:06.090 --> 00:26:07.180
  • STARTING POINT TO USE TO
  • 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:08.200
  • INTERPRET THOSE FACTS.
  • 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:09.200
  • IF THEY DON'T SEE CHRIST IN US,
  • 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.060
  • NOTHING WE SAY IS GONNA
  • 00:26:11.060 --> 00:26:12.070
  • MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:13.040
  • - DAVID: JAY, THANK YOU SO
  • 00:26:13.040 --> 00:26:14.080
  • MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
  • 00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:14.270
  • - JAY: MY PLEASURE.
  • 00:26:14.270 --> 00:26:15.210
  • - DAVID: YOU KNOW, WHAT WE
  • 00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:17.160
  • READ IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
  • 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.000
  • DIRECTLY RELATES TO WHAT WE
  • 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.100
  • READ IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
  • 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:21.180
  • IN FACT, IT'S BACK IN THE
  • 00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:22.290
  • GARDEN OF EDEN THAT WE SEE THE
  • 00:26:22.290 --> 00:26:24.210
  • NEED FOR A SAVIOR.
  • 00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:27.000
  • THIS IS WHERE IT ALL LEADS TO,
  • 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:27.210
  • RIGHT HERE.
  • 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:29.060
  • AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD, WE
  • 00:26:29.060 --> 00:26:29.260
  • SEE A GLOBAL JUDGMENT, WHICH IS
  • 00:26:29.260 --> 00:26:31.150
  • A PATTERN OF JUDGMENT TO COME.
  • 00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:32.170
  • THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL HAVE
  • 00:26:32.170 --> 00:26:34.100
  • SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE
  • 00:26:34.100 --> 00:26:35.230
  • GLORY OF GOD.
  • 00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:36.270
  • NOW, THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH,
  • 00:26:36.270 --> 00:26:38.190
  • BUT, THROUGH THE SHED BLOOD OF
  • 00:26:38.190 --> 00:26:40.090
  • OUR MESSIAH, JESUS CHRIST, WE
  • 00:26:40.090 --> 00:26:41.230
  • CAN BE FORGIVEN OF OUR SINS AND
  • 00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:42.280
  • WE ARE OFFERED ETERNAL LIFE
  • 00:26:42.280 --> 00:26:44.030
  • WITH HIM.
  • 00:26:44.030 --> 00:26:45.160
  • WE'RE TOLD THAT NO ONE HAS EVEN
  • 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:46.150
  • IMAGINED THE THINGS THAT GOD
  • 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:47.240
  • HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE
  • 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.000
  • WHO LOVE HIM.
  • 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.120
  • NOW, WE HOPE THAT YOU'VE BEEN
  • 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:51.240
  • ENCOURAGED AND EDUCATED, TODAY.
  • 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.200
  • AND, WE WANNA GIVE YOU THE
  • 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.090
  • TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO BOLDLY
  • 00:26:56.090 --> 00:26:57.000
  • GO FORWARD AND SHARE THIS
  • 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:57.190
  • MESSAGE, SHARE WHAT YOU'VE
  • 00:26:57.190 --> 00:26:58.080
  • LEARNED TODAY.
  • 00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:00.270
  • LEAVE US QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
  • 00:27:00.270 --> 00:27:01.190
  • ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND GIVE
  • 00:27:01.190 --> 00:27:02.100
  • US A CALL TO LEARN MORE.
  • 00:27:02.100 --> 00:27:02.280
  • I'M DAVID RIVES, AND, UNTIL
  • 00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:03.190
  • NEXT TIME, I WANT YOU TO KEEP
  • 00:27:03.190 --> 00:27:04.220
  • LOOKING UP.
  • 00:27:04.220 --> 00:27:07.100
  • BECAUSE, TRULY, THE HEAVENS
  • 00:27:07.100 --> 00:27:08.050
  • [DRAMATIC CLOSING THEME]
  • 00:27:15.290 --> 00:27:18.290