Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 1)

May 26, 2025 | S

Pastor Lawson Perdue from the Charis Christian Center outreach speaks to viewers across the globe about the practical message of Jesus Christ

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Grace for Today with Lawson Perdue | Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 1) | May 26, 2025

(light uplifting music)
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- welcome friends of the broadcast.
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I'm so glad that you've tuned in today.
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We're beginning a brand new series today,
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On being a influencer for the lord jesus christ.
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And whether you realize it or not,
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If you're a believer,
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Your life is speaking to other people around you.
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Some of them, you may understand that and know that.
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Others you may not.
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But stay tuned.
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I believe you're gonna be blessed.
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(light uplifting music fades)
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Friends, it's so good to have you with us today.
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I'm so happy to have aaron, sharing the word of god.
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We're actually gonna be sharing
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One of his teachings this week,
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And we're talking about being an influence
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For jesus christ.
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And aaron and his wife heather
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Took over our youth department.
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As we're speaking today, it was about a year ago.
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It's doubled since they took it over,
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But this is a teaching they did in the youth,
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But i felt like it was really great teaching
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For all believers,
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And so i asked aaron if he would share it.
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And so we're gonna jump into the word today.
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- awesome, well, i just want to just encourage
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Each and every one of you watching right now
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That you do have an influence,
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That jesus has strategically placed you
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Around certain people,
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Maybe in your neighborhood,
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Maybe in your own family, at work,
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Where you can really have an influence on them
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And minister to them and point people to jesus.
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You know, sometimes we think of people of influence,
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We think of people that have, you know,
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Maybe they have a big ministry on television
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Or a big following.
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But actually you have more of an influence
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On a lotta people than even those people do-
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- yeah. - you know,
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Because they know you personally.
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They get to see the gospel- - right.
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- lived out in your life.
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And so it's really important
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To realize the influence that we have.
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You know, i preach this, like you said, to the youth,
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And you know, a lotta these students
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Who are just teenagers,
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They have a big influence over their own parents even-
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- right. - you know, like where
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We're gonna eat, what clothes, you know,
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Are cool for your parents to wear or not to wear.
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(lawson laughs)
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So even, you know, god can give you influence
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No matter who you are.
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No matter how old or young you are,
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No matter how wealthy or not wealthy you are,
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You have influence and god wants you
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To make a difference, so.
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- you know, there's a scripture in 1 peter 4:10.
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It says, "as every person has received the gift,
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So let them minister one to another
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As good stewards of the many-sided grace of god."
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- and when you look at that,
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It's talking about every believer has received the gift,
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The gift of salvation.
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And we need to be sharing jesus with the world around us,
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Whether we're a school teacher, a doctor, attorney,
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You know, a farmer, what, banker, whatever we are,
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We need to share jesus with those around us.
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And you know, there are people that will hear you
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That might not ever come to a church
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Or might not watch a christian broadcast.
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- mm-hmm, that's true.
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So i wanna dive into the word here.
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And you know, god really wants us to be looked up to.
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You know, his children, his sons, his daughters,
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He wants you to be a person
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That other people around you look up to,
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Not look down on.
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- [lawson] right.
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- and, you know, we should have a good testimony.
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There's a lotta scriptures that talk about that,
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That our lives should be a testimony even to nonbelievers,
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That they shouldn't be able to accuse you of anything.
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- right. - because you're really
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Living the gospel.
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So i'm gonna read from 1 timothy 4:12-14.
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And paul is writing to timothy
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On how to be a good minister,
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A good leader, a good pastor.
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But this applies to anyone
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In whatever you're called to do.
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It might be to be a mother, a grandmother,
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You know, working at a store.
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Whatever you're called to do, you know,
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We're called to be a leader
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And have influence in that area.
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So here, paul writes him, "let no one despise your youth."
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So timothy was a younger person,
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And paul's saying, "hey, timothy,
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Don't let people look down on you because of your age."
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- right. - and a lotta people
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Like to make excuses why they're not stepping out
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And making a difference.
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You know, it might be, "well, i'm too young,"
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Or it could be, "i'm too old,"
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Or, you know, "i'm not wealthy enough,"
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Or, "i'm not smart enough."
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- [lawson] mm-hmm.
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- but whatever that excuse is,
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That's not god placing that excuse in your mind
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For why you shouldn't step out and make a difference.
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So don't let people despise
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Whatever you think it is that's-
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- right. - wrong about you.
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- you know, it's not in someone else's opinion of you
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That really makes a difference.
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It's in god's opinion of you.
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And i tell people often,
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Don't take anyone's opinion of you
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Except for god's or christ.
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Yeah, it's okay to, you know,
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I mean, people, we want to be loved.
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We want to be accepted by other people,
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But sometimes people have the wrong perceptive,
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And many times, even really well-meaning people
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And good people can have a perception
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That may be incorrect.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- and so-
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- don't let that stop you.
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- right, lester sumrall said this years ago.
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"your happiness, a bad place for you
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To have your happiness, is in another person's head."
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You don't, it doesn't matter what they say.
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What matters is what god says,
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So keep your eyes on god.
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Keep your eyes on christ.
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Keep your eyes on the word of god
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And what god says about you, ultimately.
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- he says, "don't let anyone despise you
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Because of your youth, but be an example."
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You know, that's a great word for all of us.
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We need to be an example,
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And he talks about how we're to be an example
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To the believers "in word, in conduct, in love,
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In spirit, in faith, in purity."
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And those are really great things to really delve into
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And just talk about how we're to live out the gospel,
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How we're to have an influence in a, you know,
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And paul has several things,
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And in the next couple verses he talks about
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How to really grow in those things.
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- right. - so we'll talk about that
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In verse 13,
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But i wanna explain each of these, you know,
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What it means to be an example in word.
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You know, your words are powerful.
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- right, you know, jesus said this in matthew 12:37.
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He said, "by your words, you're justified,
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And by your words, you're condemned."
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And he also said prior to that, in matthew 12:34,
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"out of the abundance of the heart,
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The mouth speaks."
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- so, mark says that, you know, it's not the things
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That are going into the mouth that defile us,
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But the things that are coming out of the mouth.
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- mm-hmm. - because the things
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That come out of our mouth
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Really come out of our heart or where,
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What we've been thinking or meditating on.
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And so, you know, you need to, you know,
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Meditate the word of god and speak.
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There's actually power in life,
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In speaking the word of god.
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- yeah, proverbs 18:21 says,
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"death and life are in the power of the tongue.
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And those who love it will eat its fruit."
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So that's talking about, you know,
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The words that you have can build people up,
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Can tear people down,
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Can bring life, or bring death.
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And even though you might be looking at a situation
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Where there's a lotta death,
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Where there's not a lotta hope,
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You can actually speak life,
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You can speak the word of god, you can speak faith.
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You know, god spoke those things
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"that be not as though they were."
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- [lawson] right.
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- it says that in romans about abraham,
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And that's how god is.
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You know, he would speak things.
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- "he calls those such things
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That be not as though they are."
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- so you don't just have to look on the surface.
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You know, we know that there's a natural realm,
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But there's also a spiritual realm,
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And you can see things beyond the natural.
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- [lawson] right.
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- you can see that there's truth
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Beyond just what you're seeing with your natural eyes.
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You know, some people actually can't even see
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With their natural eyes.
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- right. (laughs) - you know, recently,
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You know, and even believers have a hard time
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Just seeing with their natural eyes.
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- [lawson] right.
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- you know, a couple weeks ago, someone,
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I heard someone mention like,
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"oh, this church doesn't have hardly any young people."
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Then just the following sunday, i looked up on stage,
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And of the nine people on stage,
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Eight of them were under 30 years old.
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- yeah. (laughs) - it's like, this person
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Doesn't even have eyes to see with,
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In the natural.
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- eight outta nine.
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So, these are people- - actively involved-
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- involved in leadership roles,
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And, you know, doing awesome things.
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So, you know, you have to,
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You have to see, at least see the natural.
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- you can't just listen to everybody around there.
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You know, people will say things,
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But a lotta times, a lotta things people say
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Don't even really have any validity.
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- and i have this to say too about that.
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You know, god wants multi-generational churches.
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He wants a multi-generational kingdom.
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And maybe, you know, you're a young person
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Watching this right now.
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It might be good for you to be at a church
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Where there's some people with gray hair.
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You might learn something.
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(lawson laughs)
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The bible actually says, you know,
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"the older men are to teach the younger men,
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And the older women are teach the younger women."
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So that, that means you need to have
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Older people and younger people.
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- right, aaron, when i first got baptized
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In the holy spirit,
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I was 14 years old.
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It was andrew wommack's bible study in lamar, colorado.
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And it was actually held for a period of time
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In my aunt's apartment.
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But, you know, a lotta people didn't know andrew then,
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But it really changed my life.
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But andrew left a couple years after we got started
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In that bible study,
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And moved up here to colorado springs,
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And we ended up going to a, you know,
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Word of faith full gospel, you know, church,
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And had a great pastor.
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But i got some friends in that church,
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But my friends were about 10 years older than i was.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- and it was really good for me to connect
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With some older people in that church that, you know,
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Really had faith and were living out their faith.
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And it helped me as i walked with the lord.
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And i know you kinda had that happen, same thing,
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When you went to pittsburgh, pennsylvania
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To go to carnegie mellon university.
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You got involved in a church.
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It wasn't a big church, but it was the church
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Where god had you get involved.
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And there were older people in that church
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That began to kinda take care of you.
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And you built relationships.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- many of them you still have today.
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- yeah, and i wouldn't be where i am today
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Without having those relationships at that, you know,
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Important time in my life.
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- yeah, so it's so important.
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But he says we need to be example of believers
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And starting with the words we speak.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- you know, my mom had this saying when we lived
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As a child in our trailer house, above the kitchen sink,
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But it said, "be careful of the words you speak.
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Keep them short and sweet.
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You never know from day to day,
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Which ones you'll have to eat."
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- mm-hmm. - and we need
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To guard our tongue.
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The bible says, "set a watch over our mouth," you know,
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And jesus, like we said before, he said,
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"by our words we're justified.
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By our words, we're condemned,"
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So we need to be an example.
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And one way we live out the gospel
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Is through believing and speaking god's word,
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And guarding the words.
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Are the words we're speaking bringing life?
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Are they bringing health?
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Are they bringing blessing?
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Are we speaking words of death, of disease, and cursing?
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We need to guard our tongue.
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- mm-hmm, and people notice you.
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They'll know you by the words you speak.
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- right.
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- you know, that's how you'll have a reputation,
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A positive reputation or a negative reputation.
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- right. - you know, years back,
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I went to school for classical music.
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I have a doctorate in classical music.
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And while i was getting my doctorate,
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I played the flute,
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And several of the flute students
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Were complaining to our professor about a girl
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That played violin in the orchestra,
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Because this girl, you know, she was,
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She had some problems.
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The thing that bothered them
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Was that she didn't dress appropriately.
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She wasn't wearing very much clothes, and it bothered,
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Especially the girls that played flute
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And sat right, you know, next to her.
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And my flute professor said, "you know what?
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That violin player, she needs to talk to aaron."
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And i thought that was really interesting that, you know,
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And this professor wasn't a believer.
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Some of these students weren't a believer,
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But she knew me, that the words i speak could help people.
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- [lawson] right.
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- and, you know, years later when i told her
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I was actually gonna have a career shift, you know,
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And leave the classical music pursuit,
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And go into ministry, she was actually very for it.
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She said, "you know what?
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You always help a lotta people
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And you're gonna, you know, help"-
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- right.
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- "help a lotta people tremendously."
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And but people can see the,
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They know you by the words you speak.
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And in a tough situation- - yeah.
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- they're gonna have people that speak the right things
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And can really help people, and not-
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- amen. - tear people down
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And make things worse.
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- yeah, our words are powerful.
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So, we're gonna take a short break in a few seconds,
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And i want you to feel welcome to call in.
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We have trained prayer ministers that are here today
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That can take your calls and pray for you, minister to you.
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Also, if you wanna become a partner, you could call in.
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But we're gonna be back right after this short break
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And we're gonna continue to share
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On different aspects,
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How we can be good examples to other believers.
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So stay tuned.
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We'll be right back after this.
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- the church is the best thing
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That has ever happened to the world.
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I'm so thankful for the church.
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I am so thankful for the global body of believers.
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I'm so thankful for local church bodies like this.
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I love the local church
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Because jesus loves the local church.
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This is the thing that is holding our country together.
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- friends, i'm so glad that you stayed with us
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And we're talking about how we can be
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An example of believers.
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In the first half of the broadcast,
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We're sharing from 1 timothy 4:12,
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We talked about being an example of believers
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In the words that we speak.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- now we wanna move on.
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And it talks about not only being an example of believers
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In 1 timothy 4:12, in word,
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But also in your behavior, or in your lifestyle.
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And the word used here in the king james is conversation.
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And that word conversation is an old english word,
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And it's talking about citizenship or lifestyle.
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Citizens of a certain country behave in a certain way,
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Because of the culture.
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- mm-hmm. - well, we're citizens
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Of heaven on loan to the earth from god.
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And we ought to have,
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Bring the culture of heaven to earth.
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And we begin to think about it.
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We need to begin to live differently
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So people can see jesus really living through us.
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You know, years ago they said,
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The only jesus some people may see
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Is the jesus that's living in you and living in me,
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So we need to be examples.
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- yeah, and your conduct has an impact on people.
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Your behavior, the-
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- right. - just how you do things.
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You know, you have to put action to your faith.
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- right. (laughs) - you know, there's a quote
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That's really powerful, but it says,
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"preach the gospel at all times,
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And if necessary use words."
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- yeah. (laughs) - so your actions
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Really speak loudly.
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And you know, i've taught people this principle before,
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But you know, if you're leading people,
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If you're influencing people, they're gonna, you know,
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The people that are around you
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Are gonna kinda copy what you're doing.
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They're gonna do
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What you're doing. - right.
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- so i can tell if someone's being a good leader
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By who's around them, who's following them.
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And if those people following 'em
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Are kinda detached and not going in the right direction,
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I know that the leader.
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You know, and if it's just a single person,
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It might just be one in,
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But if everyone around them is detaching,
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Is going in the wrong direction,
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I know that the leader is probably the captain of that ship.
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- right. (laughs) - so it's pretty easy
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To figure out.
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And, you know, as ministers, as pastors especially,
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You know, that we have a big impact
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And, you know, people are gonna kinda do what you do.
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You know, this church, i was actually talking
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To someone who's interested in coming here,
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A very, very talented person.
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He is a talented musician.
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That's why he reached out to the church.
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He plays guitar, but he also,
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He's a multimillionaire, a real estate-
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- that's awesome. - lawyer, and i was
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Just telling him about this church,
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But i, you know, 'cause i've been a part of it
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For a long time, since we started,
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But i've been on staff for nine years now.
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But i told him, you know,
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"i think you'll actually really like it here," and-
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- i think he will too. - and i think, yeah,
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And you know why, but i told him, you know,
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"the things that i've observed here,
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That people really grow and people really flow,
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And people, and it's coming from the top,"
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You know- - right.
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- from the leader in his conduct.
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You know, people really flow.
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There's a strong anointing
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For entrepreneurship, for finances.
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- right. - and also a strong anointing
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And flow for strong families.
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- yes.
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- those things are very strong here.
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And there's other areas where people can grow
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And be ministered to as well.
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But, you know, those things flow from the top.
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- amen. - and you don't always
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Just preach all the time about, you know, starting business
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And preach all the time about how to parent.
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But it's just your conduct.
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- right, well you can- - and you live it out.
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- you can see it in our life.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- you know, years ago when we moved here,
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Brother bierman was one of my mentors.
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And brother bierman had pioneered at least two churches
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In the state of colorado.
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And he had pioneered this church in burlington, colorado.
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He had been there about close to 20 years
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When we moved to kit carson.
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And he really had some influence in my life.
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But then he moved into full-time missionary work,
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Traveled all around the world and ministered,
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And actually sent forth a lot of young ministers,
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In the gospel, and,
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Brother bill bierman, his wife ginger,
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And they had five children of their own.
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All five of their children are in ministry.
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All five of their children are great leaders
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In the body of christ.
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And you know, but she gave us a word
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When we moved to colorado springs
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That you three boys, you and your two brothers,
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Were gonna be witnesses,
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And your lives would speak to people.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- and that's proven out to be true.
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And that was already happening prior to us coming here,
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But it actually grew when we came here.
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And i remember one time we moved here
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And we were part of a school district
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In the southwest part of the town,
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One of the top school districts in the state at that time.
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But some of the administrators were talking to me
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Within a fairly short time
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After we moved to colorado springs,
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Within a year, a year-and-a-half.
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And they were saying,
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"well, we talked to the administrators at kit carson,
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And they praised your kids."
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And we see that happening.
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And, you know, our life speaks to people.
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You know, even the other day i was in the gym
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And there's a guy, and he,
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He's often different than me politically
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Or what we think about the scripture.
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And he may or may not be a believer,
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But he was talking to me about some things
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That he didn't believe, that i believe.
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And so i gave him a couple of, you know,
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Testimonies about some of these things
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That have happened in our ministry, so on and so,
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He said, "well, you know,
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I don't really believe in this, but i believe in you.
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I know you." - he knows your,
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You have integrity.
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- because my life speaks to him, right, every day,
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And i'm respectful of him.
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And even though he might have been
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On a different page about these things, you know, he said,
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"well, i believe you, i know you."
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- and when people know your conduct,
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When they know your conversation, just how you are,
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How you behave, how you live your life,
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They're gonna be more receptive to receive your word.
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- [lawson] right.
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- through, you know, this all flows together.
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That's why paul puts 'em all together,
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All these things of how we're to be an example to believers,
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But even non-believers too.
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- [lawson] right.
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- and, you know, he talks about conduct,
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And these things, you might feel like,
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"well, i made a lotta mistakes."
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And when people see the shift in your conduct,
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When they see the shift in your life,
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That speaks volumes to people as well.
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You know, one of my favorite books of the bible is james,
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'cause it's very black and white, very pointed.
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You know, james said, "faith without works
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Or faith without action," without-
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- corresponding action.
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- that conduct is dead.
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And he uses two examples
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Of faith and action working together.
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He uses abraham as an example, but also rahab.
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- yeah, so abraham's this person
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Of 50 years of faith in god,
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Lives a tremendous, you know, lifestyle.
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And sure, abraham makes some mistakes-
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- mm-hmm. - right, because he's
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A human person.
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You know, all men of god,
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All people of god have clay feet, right?
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If you know someone well enough, you're gonna know
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That we don't hit 100% all the time.
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So those are very evident in scripture,
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But then he uses rahab.
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Well, rahab is a harlot.
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And it says, by faith, the rahab harlot,
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The harlot rahab, you know, you can find faith,
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Anybody can believe god.
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God doesn't care where you came from.
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Where you're going is a lot more important
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Than where you came from.
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But if you'll believe him, your life can change.
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- mm-hmm, and you know, the next thing he talks about
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Of being an example too
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Where people should look up to you is in love.
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- yeah. - and this is
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Really powerful too, and, and very-
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- i think we should continue
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To talk about our behavior
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For a little bit. - oh yeah, yeah.
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- but you know, our lifestyle really, you know,
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When we went to kit carson,
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Kit carson's a town of 300,
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And we pastored there.
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You were just a little boy,
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And we raised you and your brothers there.
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We pastored there for 13 years, pioneered a church.
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And in that town,
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There were three traditional churches, right,
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And then we started a full gospel,
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You know, charismatic church,
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And people, mom said, when we went there,
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They would almost walk
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On the other side of the street, to get away from us.
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But after a period of time, we had people
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Who were from the other churches
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Who really looked up to us.
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And they would come to us
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For counsel in different things.
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And people began to love us and accept us.
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And even though they went to different churches,
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The mayor went to a different church.
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But i remember when we made a decision
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To move here to colorado springs,
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And felt like god had called us to come here,
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The mayor called us and said,
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"well, what are we gonna do
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Without your children in our school?
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Your family is such a great family."
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I know the head coach at the school,
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And he coached football, he coached, you know,
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In basketball, he worked with, you know,
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All the sports really,
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And he was a very strong leader in the community.
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He called me and said, you know,
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"why are you leaving?
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We don't want you to leave."
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And he went to a different church, you know,
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But i'm like, well, you know, "jesus told us to go."
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And he's like, "well, jesus is telling me
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You're supposed to stay."
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Well, our life should really
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Speak to other people around us,
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Of the faith that we have in god.
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And people should be able to see that.
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And you know, especially like in kit carson,
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I know one thing about that community,
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Everybody kinda kept each other, you know, in check.
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Sometimes we live in a bigger city
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And people think, "well, nobody sees, nobody cares,
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Nobody's ever gonna know.
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I'm never gonna see that person again."
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I remember one time we were visiting a church here,
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And i was, another minister was taking me somewhere
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To get something for me.
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And we were at this church
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And he sped out of the parking lot
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And i didn't know where he was going,
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So i was kinda trying to keep up.
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But he really made some people mad
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At this church parking lot.
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And i mentioned it to him when we got to his house.
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And he said, "well, we'll never see him again."
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And that's just not the way that we want
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To conduct our lives. - and i have this
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To say as well.
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You know, paul is writing to timothy-
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- right. - who's a pastor,
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And he's telling him how to be a leader.
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- right. - so this is something
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You should look for in a pastor as well.
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Is this person setting a good example-
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- right. - in their word,
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In their conduct?
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- right. - and not everyone's perfect.
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And that doesn't mean like your pastor has to be perfect.
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Like you said, everyone has, you know, clay feet,
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Everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time.
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- right. - but overall, you know,
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Is this person setting a good example?
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You know, jesus said this about knowing prophets,
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You know, "you'll know them by their fruit."
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- right. - so sometimes it takes
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A period of time to get to know people as well.
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- right, sometimes you don't really know them.
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They say one thing and do another.
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Here's another area i think is so important.
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And you were talking to this individual
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That called you about possibly being on the worship team.
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But our finances.
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- [aaron] mm-hmm.
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- you know, when we went to kit carson,
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Ministers of the gospel,
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At least they used to have a very bad reputation
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In the area of finances.
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And i know one of my mentors there,
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That became my mentor, was friends with the banker
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Of eastern colorado bank.
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And that banker told him, he said,
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"hey, you know, there's three types of people
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I don't like to loan money to.
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Number one on the list is preachers.
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Number two is teachers, like school teachers.
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Number three is police officers,"
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'cause they're lower paid, you know, professions.
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And if they ever get behind,
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It's hard for 'em to get ahead.
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Well, i could borrow money and i can borrow millions
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And millions of dollars,
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And it's because i have a track record,
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And we pay our bills.
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But, you know, there's different ways
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That our life can testify to people around us.
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But our conduct in certain areas needs to testify of jesus.
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And so we need to testify of jesus not only in our words,
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But also in our actions,
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Because just like you said, aaron,
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Faith without works is dead being alone.
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- mm-hmm, that's really good.
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Yeah, i hope you're enjoying this message.
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You know, we've been talking about jesus influencers,
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How we're to have an impact, make a difference for jesus,
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And really our life should be speaking to other people.
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We're gonna continue this throughout the week,
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Talking about how to be a jesus influencer.
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You know, we're kinda sharing right now on specific things
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We need to, you know, be a leader in.
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But we're gonna talk more about how to grow in those things.
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You know, these are pretty important things.
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And, but right here in the scripture,
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Paul actually tells you how you can keep growing,
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How you can stay on track, how you can grow
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In your influence of other people.
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Lawson Perdue - Jesus Influencers (Part 1)

May 26, 2025 | S

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