Greg Laurie - Walk This Way

May 12, 2025 | S25:E113

Join Pastor Greg Laurie for a time of encouragement, worship, and Bible study.

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  • Joel rosenberg: if the god of the bible said israel would be
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  • Reborn and everybody said it wouldn't but it is, what else
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  • Does god know that we ought to listen to?
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  • Like, how to have a personal relationship with him, right?
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  • It is prophecy to say, "if you don't believe in him and you
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  • Don't accept his forgiveness through christ, you will spend
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  • An eternity separated from him in hell."
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  • That's a prophecy.
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  • ♪ this is the day, ♪
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  • ♪ the day when life begins. ♪
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  • ♪ this is the day, ♪
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  • ♪ the day when life begins. ♪♪
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  • Greg laurie: israel, you know, it really is a
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  • Beautiful country.
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  • I mean think about it, there's such rich history here,
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  • Literally jesus christ walked in this very place.
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  • Just imagine for a moment what it would have been like.
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  • You hear people in the streets, they're mingling, and the
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  • Merchants and traders are preparing their wares, opening
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  • Their stores for business.
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  • The hustle and bustle of the morning, the birds are chirping
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  • As the city wakes up and the walls come to life.
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  • You hear prayers and songs offered up all around the city.
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  • Then you imagine for a moment, this is not only where jesus
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  • Walked, this is also where the apostles walked.
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  • You would have heard the voice of paul preaching a sermon or
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  • The voice of peter speaking to a person to be healed.
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  • Then all of a sudden you hear voices, strong voices that you
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  • May have heard outside of the gates, men whom i call "heroes
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  • Of faith" as they moved together through the streets.
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  • Imagine the conversations between the apostles john and
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  • Paul and the others, and suddenly there's a hush among
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  • The crowd as jesus himself approaches.
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  • Yes, he was god in human form, but let's not forget he was
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  • A man.
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  • The son of a carpenter who walked where others walked, who
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  • Talked to children playing games, who broke bread with his
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  • Disciples, who purchased herbs and spices from the merchants.
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  • This city, rich in history, rich in food and culture, the city of
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  • Jerusalem was the place where jesus walked.
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  • Greg: israel is bordered by egypt, jordan, syria, and
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  • Lebanon, and the country of israel spans a total area of
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  • 20,770 square kilometers.
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  • That's basically the size of new jersey,
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  • Yet israel is considered
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  • To be the epicenter of the world.
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  • The city of jerusalem, located on a plateau in the judean
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  • Mountains between the mediterranean and the dead sea,
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  • Is considered to be the epicenter of israel.
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  • Hey, think about this.
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  • The children of israel wandered around in this very desert for
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  • 40 years.
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  • Hey, why was that?
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  • Is it because men were in charge and they just didn't want to
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  • Stop and ask for directions, or was it because they were
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  • Wandering around and around in circles?
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  • Yeah, i think it was the latter.
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  • Abraham fought a war here, david hid from king saul in the caves
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  • Right around here, and of course the story of masada took place,
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  • And king herod actually built that as his getaway palace.
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  • Greg: hey, i'm all about history and tradition, and i can walk
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  • And i've ridden camels and i've ridden donkeys, but today i'm
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  • Visiting the dead sea, and i plan to put a lot more
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  • Horsepower into this journey.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • Greg: on this day trek, my friend ido keynan,
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  • A seventh generation israeli, and my beautiful wife cathe,
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  • Are all buckled in our jeep.
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  • The terrain's pretty rough and rocky, and we're up for
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  • Adventure as we set off in this four-wheel excursion.
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  • As a guide, you know where you're headed and, you know,
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  • Something about where you're going.
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  • And in this case, he just overflows with a wealth of
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  • Knowledge and a sense of direction.
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  • Mesmerized by his stories, his insight, and accounts from
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  • Scripture, our two-hour journey came to life with some
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  • Vivid depictions.
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  • Greg: so when jesus was tempted in the wilderness, is this what
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  • It would have looked like to him?
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  • Ido keynan: pastor greg, it's exactly how it would look out
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  • To him.
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  • Look around you, the same formations that you see of those
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  • Mountains and of those hills, of those narrow passes, that's what
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  • Our lord saw every morning and every evening here in
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  • The desert.
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  • As you can see, there's no electricity, there's nothing
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  • That is off the 20, 21st century.
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  • Everything you see over here is natural, going back all the way,
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  • Thousands and thousands of years ago.
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  • This is the wilderness.
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  • This is--there's nothing here, and miles and miles away, and
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  • This is where it was chosen to take our lord for 40 days and 40
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  • Nights away from any civilization to be tempted in
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  • Any way possible.
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  • That's where he was in this area, because this is the
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  • Judean mountains.
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  • Oh, that is an interesting one, folks.
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  • You're gonna feel that, and that little bump is a slide of the
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  • Left back wheel.
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  • Oh, there we go.
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • Greg: did it better than him.
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  • Oh my goodness, it's like the other one looks so hairy and
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  • Then i get nothing.
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  • Just hold on, mom.
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  • This is crazy.
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  • Greg: it was in 1947 that a young bedouin shepherd
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  • Discovered in these qumran caves, some well-preserved
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  • Written remains, and then later in 1949, archaeologists
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  • Excavated which were later to be referred to as the dead
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  • Sea scrolls.
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  • Ido: now pastor, the dead sea scrolls.
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  • Do you believe in luck?
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  • Greg: no.
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  • Ido: good, do you believe that things happen
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  • Just as they happen?
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  • Greg: no.
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  • Ido: so why do you think the dead sea scrolls were found?
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  • Greg: to confirm what is taught already in scripture.
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  • Ido: amen, and you're so right.
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  • At a certain point, god decided, "okay, i'm gonna bring my
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  • People back to the land.
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  • I've got to prove to the world that they have the right
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  • To a deed."
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  • And what is the deed?
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  • The bible.
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  • So let me find them, let's make them find the oldest one, and
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  • That's 2000 years old, that if anyone comes to say, "hey, come
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  • On, what you have today is not what they had 2000 years ago,"
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  • You can prove it.
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  • And that's the way i'll put it together.
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  • Look straight ahead, that's the dead sea.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • Greg: you know, the bible tells us to not give the devil
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  • A foothold.
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  • What does that mean?
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  • It's sort of the idea of, don't let something happen in your
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  • Life that gives the devil an advantage over you.
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  • Here's what ephesians chapter 4, verse 25 says, "stop
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  • Telling lies.
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  • Let us tell our neighbor the truth, for we're all parts of
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  • The same body.
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  • Don't sin by letting anger control you.
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  • Don't let the sun go down while you're still angry, for anger
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  • Gives a foothold to the devil."
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  • Anger, bitterness, resentment; these things give a foothold to
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  • The devil.
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  • You say, "but, greg, someone hurt me.
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  • I have a right to be angry."
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  • Well, listen, if you allow anger or resentment to control you, it
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  • Can give the enemy a foothold in your life, and then that
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  • Separates you from the lord.
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  • So don't give a place for the devil.
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  • He'll knock on the door of your mind with temptations.
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  • "oh, why don't you do this?
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  • Why don't you do that?"
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  • Don't listen to him.
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  • Listen to this.
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  • It's not the bait that constitutes sin; it's the bite.
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  • By that i mean, it's not a sin when the devil comes with a
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  • Temptation or something to allure you.
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  • The problem is when you open the door and invite him in for
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  • Tea, right?
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  • So don't give the devil a foothold.
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  • What does the bible say?
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  • It says, "resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
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  • Greg: israel is relatively small in size, but, oh, it's
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  • So mighty.
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  • And i really agree with what ido said.
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  • God wanted the dead sea scrolls to be discovered so the world
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  • Would know of the jewish people's right and inheritance
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  • To the land of israel.
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  • Of course that is found in scripture, and the dead sea
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  • Scrolls just confirm what we have known all along.
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  • This land belongs to the jewish people and jerusalem is
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  • Their capital.
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  • You know, i find this interesting.
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  • Today israel is no longer dusty little roads leading in and out
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  • Of small villages and towns, now there are thriving cities.
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  • Filled with culture and art and outstanding schools and major
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  • Universities, the world's fifty-fifth largest export
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  • Economy, leading the world in military advancement,
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  • Cutting-edge tech, and the world of medical science, jerusalem is
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  • A modern city complete with commerce, retail, finance, and
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  • It's one of the world's leading destinations for tourism.
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  • In this neighborhood of jerusalem there are many bazaars
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  • And open markets, and i'm meeting with my good friend joel
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  • Rosenberg, bestselling author and speaker, for a cup of really
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  • Good espresso.
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  • Joel and i are gonna meet in an area called the shuk.
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  • It's one of the newer open markets still honoring the
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  • Layout and structure of the past, but it's more along the
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  • Lines of, well, home depot meets whole foods.
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  • Greg: one, two, three.
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  • Great, i'm gonna bring my wife back and get some.
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  • Male: oh, thank you so much, toda.
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  • Greg: toda.
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  • "toda" is thank you, isn't it?
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  • Joel rosenberg: yeah, "toda raba" is thank you very much,
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  • "toda lakh" is thank you.
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  • Greg: i wanted a bit more insight on the people of the
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  • Holy land, the significance of what's happening today in israel
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  • As it relates to bible prophecy, and why jews from all around the
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  • World are uprooting their families, selling their homes
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  • And quitting their jobs, and moving back to the land of their
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  • Ancestors, the land of their bloodline, the land of jesus.
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  • What's it like to live in israel now because
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  • You were born where?
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  • Joel: i was born in the united states in upstate new york,
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  • Syracuse, and i grew up in the states.
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  • My father was orthodox jewish, came to faith in jesus as
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  • Messiah in 1973, thought he was the first jew since the apostle
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  • Paul who believed this.
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  • Greg: because there were so few--
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  • Joel: he never heard of a jewish person who believed that,
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  • Never met one, and in 1973 there weren't that many.
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  • But the spirit of god was moving, not just among jewish
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  • People, but the whole jesus movement.
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  • You got saved in that time.
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  • My parents, i, later, you know, a couple of years later, '75.
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  • Greg: when israel became a nation on may 14th, 1948, there
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  • Were how many messianic believers?
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  • Joel: maybe two dozen, 23 that i know of and maybe there was
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  • 12 more.
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  • Greg: today maybe approximately how many?
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  • Joel: fifteen thousand.
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  • Greg: see, that doesn't sound like a big number, but
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  • Comparatively, and considering it's israel, it is a big number.
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  • Joel: well, right, and if you-- look, you go from 23 people
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  • 68 years ago, 23 to 15,000--
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  • Greg: is it harder for someone who is jewish to believe in
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  • Jesus as messiah than it is for someone, a gentile, a non-jew,
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  • Is it a harder process?
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  • Joel: well, it's a miracle in any case, but god does say in
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  • The scriptures that we have a partial hardening on us, that we
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  • Have a blindness.
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  • Because god brought the, you know, sent yeshua, messiah, to
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  • Us first.
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  • You know, he came to his own, john chapter 1, "his own
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  • Received him not."
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  • We didn't get it, most of us didn't.
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  • I mean, obviously a few did, but then to put to him who, you
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  • Know, who gets it, right, who did receive him, to them he gave
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  • The right to become children of god.
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  • So the gospel went from israel to the gentile world.
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  • Many jews did come to faith in that time, but not the majority,
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  • Not even close to the majority.
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  • Oh hey, now we're talking.
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  • Thank you, toda raba.
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  • Greg: cheers.
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  • Joel: cheers, welcome to jerusalem.
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  • It's fun to have this conversation here.
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  • Greg: now you've--thank you, and you've called jerusalem
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  • The epicenter.
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  • Joel: i have.
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  • Greg: why--the epicenter of what and why that word?
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  • Joel: well, epicenter is a geological term, obviously.
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  • It's the point above the beginning of an
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  • Earthquake, right?
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  • So i'm using that term because this is the center of god's plan
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  • And purpose for the nations.
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  • Ezekiel chapter 5 verse 5, god says, "i set jerusalem at the
  • 00:13:32.288 --> 00:13:35.758
  • Center of the nation."
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  • Greg: that's true.
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  • Joel: ezekiel chapter 38 verse 7, "i put israel," or verse 14,
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  • "i put israel at the navel of the earth."
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  • I mean, literally the belly button of the earth.
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  • So, and then acts chapter 1 verse 8, "the gospel will go
  • 00:13:47.036 --> 00:13:50.906
  • From jerusalem to judea to samaria to the very ends of
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  • The earth."
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  • So you and i are from the ends of the earth, right?
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  • You're from--you're really from the end of the earth,
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  • You're talking about california, i'm from new york.
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  • But this is the beginning, the gospel went from here and now it
  • 00:14:01.050 --> 00:14:04.753
  • Needs to come back here.
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  • And this is, you know, when you look at the little prophecies,
  • 00:14:06.222 --> 00:14:09.258
  • There are more prophecies about the future of israel and the
  • 00:14:09.258 --> 00:14:11.660
  • Jewish people than of any other nation in the scriptures.
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  • Greg: and you think about the critical role that
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  • Jerusalem plays.
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  • I mean, of all the cities in the world, you know, paris and
  • 00:14:17.533 --> 00:14:21.604
  • Moscow and, you know, washington d.c., and yet the bible speaks
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  • Of this tiny little sliver of land called israel, and in the
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  • Tiny little sliver of land, this little city called jerusalem,
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  • And here we are in the very middle of the epicenter, tip of
  • 00:14:33.983 --> 00:14:38.621
  • The spear if you like, you know, and it's all happening
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  • Right here.
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  • Joel: this has been a city that god has chosen for himself.
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  • That's what he says, "i chose jerusalem."
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  • That's a sovereign act.
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  • He could have chose tokyo, he could have chose, you know,
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  • Costa mesa, he could've chose wherever,
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  • But he chose jerusalem to be the city of the great kings.
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  • Greg: that's right.
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  • "if i forget you o jerusalem, let my right hand
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  • Forget her cunning."
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  • You know, it's like god said, "i'll never forget you."
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  • So god remembers his city, that's the city of the past.
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  • But now the city of the present, bustling city, we have kind of
  • 00:15:05.714 --> 00:15:09.485
  • The old city that people will often go to, the arab quarters
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  • There, and then around that area is the western wall, which the
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  • Lower part of the original stones from herod's era
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  • Or before?
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  • Joel: herod's era.
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  • Greg: yeah, and then on up above you see the crusader and
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  • The various groups that are built on this wall.
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  • Jewish people, not only jewish people, primarily, they're at
  • 00:15:29.104 --> 00:15:32.675
  • The wall taking little slips of paper with prayers.
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  • Why is that a holy site to them?
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  • Joel: what we see is--the western wall is a portion of the
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  • Retaining wall that was built-- the temple was above it.
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  • There are no stones left from the temple.
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  • Jesus himself said there would be no stones left, they would
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  • Be overthrown.
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  • Greg: not one stone left upon another.
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  • Joel: --because out of judgment.
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  • Greg: what is the future of jerusalem in the bible?
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  • What's gonna happen here in the future?
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  • Joel: well, there's several things.
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  • First of all, we know that the anti--we know that a third
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  • Temple will be built, and then we know that an antichrist, the
  • 00:16:01.170 --> 00:16:06.709
  • Antichrist, but an anti-messiah figure from the european roman
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  • Rebuilt empire will come and take over, "and he will invade
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  • The beautiful land," daniel tells us, "and he will desecrate
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  • The temple."
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  • Jesus tells us--
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  • Greg: he will seem like a good guy at first.
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  • Joel: he will seem like a peacemaker,
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  • He will seem like a diplomat.
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  • Like, finally somebody has come to make it right.
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  • Greg: and rebuilding the temple for the jews.
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  • Joel: the temple will probably have already been built.
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  • It's possible that he's involved in that, but it's possible that
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  • It's already rebuilt.
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  • Prophecy scholars differ on that.
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  • Greg: we know he desecrates it.
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  • Joel: we know he will desecrate it.
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  • He will in fact probably set up his throne inside the temple
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  • Because he proclaims himself to be god.
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  • We know that daniel tells us this and paul tells us this to
  • 00:16:49.351 --> 00:16:53.288
  • The thessalonians.
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  • So when christ, the real true christ, the second coming
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  • Happens, and christ will physically touch down on the
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  • Mount of olives overlooking the temple mount, he will split that
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  • Mountain in two, and then he will defeat all the forces of
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  • The antichrist, including the antichrist himself, and he is
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  • Not going to inhabit that desecrated third temple.
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  • He will destroy it, he will raze it to the ground and then build
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  • What we call ezekiel's temple, which described in the last few
  • 00:17:21.116 --> 00:17:24.486
  • Chapters of the book of ezekiel, "a magnificent monumental
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  • Structure never been built before."
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  • That's the one that christ will reign from
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  • For a thousand years.
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  • Greg: you know, it's interesting, jesus in matthew
  • 00:17:34.196 --> 00:17:35.931
  • 24, the olivet discourse, the mount of olives, facing the old
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  • City of jerusalem, you know, you have that statement he says,
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  • "and when you see the abomination of desolation, let
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  • The reader understand."
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  • That to me is a clue as to why bible prophecy matters.
  • 00:17:47.843 --> 00:17:51.580
  • Here we're looking at eschatology, the study of times,
  • 00:17:51.580 --> 00:17:55.684
  • Events in the bible.
  • 00:17:55.684 --> 00:17:57.019
  • Jesus is saying, "let the reader understand."
  • 00:17:57.019 --> 00:17:59.188
  • Why would he say that if we shouldn't study bible prophecy?
  • 00:17:59.188 --> 00:18:02.191
  • Because some people, and we talked about this before, sort
  • 00:18:02.191 --> 00:18:04.960
  • Of a trend maybe in the church, to not look at these end times
  • 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.230
  • Events like maybe we did in earlier generations.
  • 00:18:08.230 --> 00:18:11.567
  • And so, but there's a great blessing promise to the person,
  • 00:18:11.567 --> 00:18:15.737
  • For instance, who reads and studies and keeps the words of
  • 00:18:15.737 --> 00:18:19.041
  • The book of revelation, right?
  • 00:18:19.041 --> 00:18:20.409
  • So bible prophecy is important, isn't it?
  • 00:18:20.409 --> 00:18:23.011
  • Very important, 27%, 27% of all scripture is prophecy.
  • 00:18:23.011 --> 00:18:29.218
  • Now a bunch of that, at least half of it, has already
  • 00:18:29.218 --> 00:18:31.587
  • Come true.
  • 00:18:31.587 --> 00:18:32.955
  • This is one of the validators that scripture is divine, that
  • 00:18:32.955 --> 00:18:35.757
  • It really is from the words of an all-seeing, all-knowing god,
  • 00:18:35.757 --> 00:18:39.128
  • All-powerful god, because he can tell us the future.
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  • And he gave us a certain set of prophecies that came true,
  • 00:18:41.563 --> 00:18:44.533
  • Including the messianic prophecies, and then the next
  • 00:18:44.533 --> 00:18:47.002
  • Set of prophecies are about things that will come true, and
  • 00:18:47.002 --> 00:18:50.205
  • That's exciting.
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  • Greg: who would ever thought that these people, the jewish
  • 00:18:51.540 --> 00:18:53.375
  • People who have suffered so greatly, would not only return
  • 00:18:53.375 --> 00:18:57.212
  • To their land but build this nation, survive the attacks and
  • 00:18:57.212 --> 00:19:00.883
  • The war of independence, the '67 war, the '73 war, and now here
  • 00:19:00.883 --> 00:19:05.087
  • They stand, you know, able to defend themselves.
  • 00:19:05.087 --> 00:19:07.556
  • I mean, it is a modern day miracle, there's no
  • 00:19:07.556 --> 00:19:09.992
  • Logical explanation.
  • 00:19:09.992 --> 00:19:11.326
  • Joel: it is, and so i think for many of your viewers who are
  • 00:19:11.326 --> 00:19:16.031
  • Thinking, well, come on, bible prophecy, end times prophecy, i
  • 00:19:16.031 --> 00:19:19.067
  • Mean isn't that a little out there?
  • 00:19:19.067 --> 00:19:21.236
  • Like, i don't really believe that.
  • 00:19:21.236 --> 00:19:22.604
  • Listen, the fact that israel exists, that you hear about it
  • 00:19:22.604 --> 00:19:24.806
  • In the news all the time, this is evidence that end times bible
  • 00:19:24.806 --> 00:19:29.044
  • Prophecy is true.
  • 00:19:29.044 --> 00:19:30.679
  • Now there are people who teach it badly, there are people who
  • 00:19:30.679 --> 00:19:32.681
  • Sensationalize it, who are weird.
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  • Greg: you're talking about people with websites,
  • 00:19:34.550 --> 00:19:36.685
  • Everything's in caps, and it's usually reversed out of black or
  • 00:19:36.685 --> 00:19:40.155
  • Of dark background so you can barely read it.
  • 00:19:40.155 --> 00:19:42.324
  • Joel: their websites look like they were built at area 51 in
  • 00:19:42.324 --> 00:19:44.560
  • Roswell, new mexico, or whatever.
  • 00:19:44.560 --> 00:19:47.095
  • Greg: i think those people are weird to start with, and they
  • 00:19:47.095 --> 00:19:49.298
  • Just found something to be weird about.
  • 00:19:49.298 --> 00:19:51.300
  • There's nothing weird about bible prophecy.
  • 00:19:51.300 --> 00:19:53.902
  • These are extreme people, but sometimes people see that
  • 00:19:53.902 --> 00:19:57.506
  • And want to sort of throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  • 00:19:57.506 --> 00:19:59.641
  • Joel: that's right, and so a lot of the church, a lot of pastors
  • 00:19:59.641 --> 00:20:01.944
  • Have said, like, "i don't want to be identified with a prophecy
  • 00:20:01.944 --> 00:20:04.613
  • Nut, so let's just not go there, we're not gonna teach
  • 00:20:04.613 --> 00:20:06.715
  • This stuff.
  • 00:20:06.715 --> 00:20:08.050
  • But 27% of the scripture, that's a big chunk of change, right?
  • 00:20:08.050 --> 00:20:10.919
  • You ignore that at your peril.
  • 00:20:10.919 --> 00:20:12.754
  • There's something serious that god wants us to know about
  • 00:20:12.754 --> 00:20:15.023
  • The future.
  • 00:20:15.023 --> 00:20:16.391
  • And not just about israel's future, not just about
  • 00:20:16.391 --> 00:20:17.993
  • Jerusalem's future, or the future of israel neighbors or
  • 00:20:17.993 --> 00:20:20.562
  • Her enemies, whom god also loves, it's about our future.
  • 00:20:20.562 --> 00:20:24.199
  • If the god of the bible said israel would be reborn and
  • 00:20:24.199 --> 00:20:27.135
  • Everybody said it wouldn't but it is, what else did that god
  • 00:20:27.135 --> 00:20:30.706
  • Knows that we ought to listen to, like how to have a personal
  • 00:20:30.706 --> 00:20:33.909
  • Relationship with him, right?
  • 00:20:33.909 --> 00:20:35.611
  • It is prophecy to say, if you don't believe in him and you
  • 00:20:35.611 --> 00:20:38.714
  • Don't accept his forgiveness through christ, you will spend
  • 00:20:38.714 --> 00:20:42.451
  • An eternity separated from him in hell.
  • 00:20:42.451 --> 00:20:44.553
  • That's a prophecy, but it's a very practical one.
  • 00:20:44.553 --> 00:20:47.356
  • You either choose to follow or you reject him, but that tells
  • 00:20:47.356 --> 00:20:50.993
  • Us what our future will be.
  • 00:20:50.993 --> 00:20:53.562
  • Greg: okay, so the bible says, "for those that look for him,
  • 00:20:53.562 --> 00:20:57.132
  • He'll return."
  • 00:20:57.132 --> 00:20:58.500
  • Christ is gonna return, but he's gonna return for those who are
  • 00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:01.637
  • Looking for him.
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  • That doesn't mean we stand on street corners, you know,
  • 00:21:02.971 --> 00:21:04.439
  • Staring at the sun like a bunch of idiots, it means that we live
  • 00:21:04.439 --> 00:21:07.643
  • In anticipation of his return, but i think sometimes we
  • 00:21:07.643 --> 00:21:11.179
  • Misunderstand how they're to live in light of the imminent
  • 00:21:11.179 --> 00:21:14.516
  • Return of jesus.
  • 00:21:14.516 --> 00:21:15.884
  • We talk about all these prophecies being fulfilled, so
  • 00:21:15.884 --> 00:21:17.919
  • Someone who's watching this, they're thinking this,
  • 00:21:17.919 --> 00:21:20.355
  • "so what?"
  • 00:21:20.355 --> 00:21:21.690
  • Like, not "so what, it doesn't matter," but "so what am i
  • 00:21:21.690 --> 00:21:25.694
  • Supposed to do?"
  • 00:21:25.694 --> 00:21:27.062
  • So okay, we believe this, jesus is coming.
  • 00:21:27.062 --> 00:21:30.565
  • What should a person do who's a believer in jesus?
  • 00:21:30.565 --> 00:21:33.468
  • What should their focus be, their priority be, knowing that
  • 00:21:33.468 --> 00:21:36.938
  • He could come at any moment?
  • 00:21:36.938 --> 00:21:38.273
  • Joel: well, i think the fact that we're seeing prophecies
  • 00:21:38.273 --> 00:21:40.776
  • Come true in our lifetime, that many of our--even of our
  • 00:21:40.776 --> 00:21:44.746
  • Church fathers were skeptical at best that they would,
  • 00:21:44.746 --> 00:21:47.883
  • That's encouraging.
  • 00:21:47.883 --> 00:21:49.217
  • The fact that israel exists now, not because we're a perfect
  • 00:21:49.217 --> 00:21:52.954
  • Nation, not because everything here is going right, but because
  • 00:21:52.954 --> 00:21:55.691
  • God sovereignly decided this will be a nation because i said
  • 00:21:55.691 --> 00:21:58.794
  • It would be, and these prophecies are fulfilled, this
  • 00:21:58.794 --> 00:22:00.962
  • Should give us encouragement.
  • 00:22:00.962 --> 00:22:02.297
  • God who is sovereign, god who wrote the scriptures, he's
  • 00:22:02.297 --> 00:22:04.933
  • Moving, and we are definitely in the last days because
  • 00:22:04.933 --> 00:22:07.369
  • Israel exists.
  • 00:22:07.369 --> 00:22:08.704
  • Okay, now the question is, so what?
  • 00:22:08.704 --> 00:22:10.872
  • So the question--so to me the answer is, when i think about
  • 00:22:10.872 --> 00:22:13.842
  • Looking for the return of christ, what i mean--what i
  • 00:22:13.842 --> 00:22:16.411
  • Think that means is we look as though--we live as though
  • 00:22:16.411 --> 00:22:20.215
  • We're gonna see in his eyes the face of jesus soon, and the
  • 00:22:20.215 --> 00:22:24.286
  • Question will be, how did we use our time, how did we invest the
  • 00:22:24.286 --> 00:22:28.123
  • Time that we have, knowing that his return was getting close but
  • 00:22:28.123 --> 00:22:31.526
  • Not knowing exactly when?
  • 00:22:31.526 --> 00:22:33.161
  • And to me the answer is the great commission.
  • 00:22:33.161 --> 00:22:35.364
  • Greg: what is the great commission?
  • 00:22:35.364 --> 00:22:36.732
  • Joel: the great commission from matthew 28--
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  • Greg: by the way, i know.
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  • Joel: i appreciate it.
  • 00:22:39.735 --> 00:22:41.069
  • Greg: so you don't think i'm like the worst evangelist.
  • 00:22:41.069 --> 00:22:43.205
  • "you're an evangelist, you don't know the great commission?"
  • 00:22:43.205 --> 00:22:44.573
  • Go ahead.
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  • Joel: 101.
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  • Greg: so define it for us.
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  • Joel: if all authority has been given to jesus, all
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  • Authority in heaven and earth, and therefore he tells us to go
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  • And make disciples of all nations, right, baptizing them
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  • In the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit, teaching
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  • Them--the disciples to obey everything he can, not just bits
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  • And pieces, but the whole council of scripture, and that
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  • He would be with us even to the end of the age, this means we
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  • Need to proclaim the gospel of jesus christ to every jew, every
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  • Muslim, every communist, every atheist, every--you know,
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  • Everybody in the entire world.
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  • Greg: we're not favoring israel, saying, "oh, you know, it's only
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  • The jews," we love the jewish people, god wants us to.
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  • We love arab people, we love all people, everybody needs
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  • The gospel.
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  • The answer is the same for everybody.
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  • Joel: absolutely, but unfortunately for a long time,
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  • The church has ignored, largely, ignored preaching the gospel to
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  • Jewish people or ignored preaching to the muslim people.
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  • Greg: it's not just that we're failing to bring the gospel to
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  • Jews and muslims, we're not bringing the gospel in the
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  • Church to anyone.
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  • The church is so behind in evangelism right now.
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  • And you know, here's something i've said before is, i've said
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  • That i actually think to not share the gospel can potentially
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  • Be a sin.
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  • Here's why, there are sins of commission and omission.
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  • A sin of commission is doing what you should not do, a sin of
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  • Omission is not doing what you should do.
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  • And james says, "to him that knows to do good and does not do
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  • It, to him it is sin."
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  • So if i'm walking down the street and there's a house on
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  • Fire, someone tells me there's people inside, maybe i'll be a
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  • Hero and rush in and try to save them, at the very least i'll
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  • Call 911.
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  • But if i walk by with, thank you, but if i walk by with
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  • Complete indifference, that's criminal.
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  • And here we know the gospel, we're commanded to share it.
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  • Why do you think christians are not doing this?
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  • Joel: it's a lack of love for our savior.
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  • Jesus said, "if you love me you'll obey me."
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  • And the more we understand who he is and what he's really done
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  • For us, and the consequences of what would have happened if he
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  • Didn't do it for us and didn't open our particular eyes to
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  • Understanding it, and the fires of hell, using the fire analogy,
  • 00:24:46.862 --> 00:24:51.466
  • This ought to compel us, compel us.
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  • Greg: thank you for taking a little time to have a cup
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  • Of coffee.
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  • You didn't eat any of your baklava, take a bite of
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  • Your baklava.
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  • Joel: i think i'm gonna-- greg: you don't want it?
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  • Joel: well, i've had a few too many baklavas since i got to
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  • Israel, what can i tell you?
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  • Greg: well, thanks for joining us.
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  • Joel: thank you, great to be with you.
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  • Greg: you know, the jewish people have an expression they
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  • Use when they celebrate passover, and the expression is,
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  • "next year in jerusalem."
  • 00:25:15.323 --> 00:25:17.692
  • That's our hope, to meet again in the holy land and in this
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  • Very special city that god gave to them.
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  • It's been our privilege to walk the streets of jerusalem, to
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  • Breathe the air, to think back on what happened when jesus
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  • Walked here.
  • 00:25:33.542 --> 00:25:34.876
  • You know, jerusalem is a city of our past, our present, and
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  • Our future.
  • 00:25:38.179 --> 00:25:39.514
  • It's a city of our past because, well, so many biblical events
  • 00:25:39.514 --> 00:25:43.351
  • Happened here, it's a city where jesus was crucified outside of
  • 00:25:43.351 --> 00:25:47.656
  • Its walls, and it's a city where christ rose again from the dead.
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  • But it's also the city of our present.
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  • Jerusalem is a fulfillment of bible prophecy.
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  • On may 14, 1948, against all odds, the jewish people returned
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  • To their land and ultimately got control of jerusalem as well,
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  • And now it is a modern city that's impacting the world.
  • 00:26:07.375 --> 00:26:11.746
  • But it's also the city of our future, because the bible tells
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  • Us that prophecy will be fulfilled in this very place,
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  • And end time events will happen around this city, not paris, not
  • 00:26:19.154 --> 00:26:24.292
  • Rome, not los angeles, not washington dc or moscow.
  • 00:26:24.292 --> 00:26:29.264
  • No, the major events of the world, the end times are gonna
  • 00:26:29.264 --> 00:26:33.368
  • Happen right around the city of jerusalem, the city of our past,
  • 00:26:33.368 --> 00:26:38.540
  • Our present, and our future.
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  • Greg: there are so many things to be worried about right now,
  • 00:26:54.422 --> 00:26:56.691
  • Aren't there?
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  • The worrying about terrorism, worry about your personal
  • 00:26:58.026 --> 00:27:00.862
  • Safety, violent crime, the economy, the list goes on.
  • 00:27:00.862 --> 00:27:04.799
  • Here's what the bible says, "don't worry about anything,
  • 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.570
  • Pray about everything, turn your panic into prayer."
  • 00:27:08.570 --> 00:27:14.009
  • Jesus said, "come unto me, all of you that are laboring and are
  • 00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:17.112
  • Heavy laden, i will give you rest."
  • 00:27:17.112 --> 00:27:19.648
  • Give your burdens, give your problems over to god and let him
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  • Give you his peace in your heart.
  • 00:27:24.285 --> 00:27:28.490
  • Let me send for you at no charge what i call a new
  • 00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:31.993
  • Believer's bible to help you grow in a relationship with god
  • 00:27:31.993 --> 00:27:37.198
  • And learn how to turn your panic into prayer
  • 00:27:37.198 --> 00:27:39.968
  • And your worry into worship.
  • 00:27:39.968 --> 00:27:45.273
  • Greg: greg laurie, here.
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  • You know, at harvest ministries we're committing to reaching
  • 00:27:50.178 --> 00:27:52.747
  • Unexpected people in unexpected places with an
  • 00:27:52.747 --> 00:27:56.184
  • Unexpected message.
  • 00:27:56.184 --> 00:27:57.786
  • And thanks to your financial support we've been able to touch
  • 00:27:57.786 --> 00:28:02.524
  • People all over the world with the hope of jesus christ.
  • 00:28:02.524 --> 00:28:06.828
  • Your gifts today not only help us reach millions across the
  • 00:28:06.828 --> 00:28:10.465
  • Country through this television program, they also help us to
  • 00:28:10.465 --> 00:28:14.402
  • Bring hope to people and their biggest need.
  • 00:28:14.402 --> 00:28:17.472
  • So i'm asking you today to continue to support this
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  • Ministry so we can do everything possible to
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  • Fulfill the great commission.
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  • Let's do this together, thank you and god bless you.
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