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November 23, 2016
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Episode 3

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  • - Jason Mendis: How do you
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  • identify and raise up
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  • a standout leader?
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  • - Chris Sajnendra: How do you
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  • raise leaders to stand on your
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  • shoulders and be bigger
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  • and better than you?
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  • - Brent Liebezeit: How do you
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  • hear from God?
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  • And how do you differentiate
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  • between his voice
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  • and your own thoughts?
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  • - Tiare Lando: What is it that
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  • God is saying in this season?
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  • Are there any themes that are
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  • relevant to the body of Christ?
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  • - Michelle Hobbs: In a
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  • generation where there's so much
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  • change, how do you communicate?
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  • And do you change the way
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  • that you communicate?
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  • - Jeremy Chua: Have there been
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  • any moments in your journey
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  • where you had to encourage
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  • yourself to keep going?
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  • - Darren Kitto: Thanks
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  • for joining us
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  • at the "Leadership Collective."
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  • Here we are onsite
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  • at the Hillsong Conference.
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  • We're hosting questions from
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  • some of our special pastors from
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  • the Hillsong Leadership Network.
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  • And they've been asking us
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  • questions.
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  • And we've got some special
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  • guests who are gonna be comin'
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  • in an answerin' the questions.
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  • I'm looking forward to grilling
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  • 'em and getting the answers
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  • for you right here on
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  • - male announcer: This week
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  • on "Leadership Collective,"
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  • Robert Fergusson
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  • from Hillsong Church,
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  • Cathy Clarke
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  • from Hillsong Church London,
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  • Chris Mendez from
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  • Hillsong Church South America,
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  • and special guest Chris Caine,
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  • - Darren: At Hillsong Church
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  • we're so passionate about
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  • championing the cause
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  • of the local church.
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  • And we do that through
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  • our Hillsong Leadership Network.
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  • Today we've been fielding
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  • some questions from some of
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  • our Leadership Network pastors.
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  • And I've got some great friends
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  • here on the panel that are gonna
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  • help us to answer these
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  • questions today.
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  • So why don't we hear from one
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  • of our pastors and hear
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  • - Jason: How do you identify
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  • - Darren: Now, that's a great
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  • question.
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  • Chris, I know that you have been
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  • identifying standout leaders
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  • in--through our, a lot through
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  • our college, but now through
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  • pastoring a church in Argentina.
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  • Do you wanna tell us how you,
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  • what you look for?
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  • - Chris Mendez: Yeah, look,
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  • the journey's been amazing since
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  • we've moved overseas.
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  • We've been doing church
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  • for 6 months,
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  • and so we're always looking
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  • for people who stand out.
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  • And I think something that
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  • Pastor Brian always speaks
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  • about and that we adopt
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  • is always looking at the heart
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  • of a person.
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  • And right now, for us,
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  • as we're building team
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  • and trying to build a foundation
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  • for our volunteers,
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  • we look at people
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  • who are always turning up,
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  • people who are always
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  • positioning themselves
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  • and getting their hands dirty,
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  • people who have
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  • the sort of heart attitude,
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  • and spirit that says,
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  • "No task is too difficult."
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  • And I think with that sort of
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  • person you can work with them
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  • and start to disciple them
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  • and believe in the potential
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  • in them.
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  • I think a standout leader
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  • identifies themselves because
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  • they're always there,
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  • or wherever you look,
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  • they're there.
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  • And that's the person
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  • you wanna work with.
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  • And that's the person you wanna
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  • invite onto your team, where
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  • you can help develop them and
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  • speak words of life over them.
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  • But it all comes down to heart
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  • because the person that has the
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  • right heart and the willingness,
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  • they're always gonna position
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  • themselves, not to be seen in
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  • the wrong sense, but to be seen
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  • through their service.
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  • - Darren: So with that, like,
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  • thinking about, you've just
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  • planted a church, how long ago?
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  • - Chris: We've been going now
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  • for 6 months, 6 months.
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  • - Darren: So in that
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  • 6-month period, obviously,
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  • the test of time isn't available
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  • to you.
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  • - Chris: No, no.
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  • - Darren: So how do you make
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  • sure that you don't make
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  • mistakes, or what do you look
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  • for to try and avoid making
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  • mistakes when it comes
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  • to leaders in that early stage,
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  • where, you know, there's no test
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  • of time that really helps you
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  • to identify those things?
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  • - Chris: Yeah, like you said,
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  • our test of time isn't long
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  • right now.
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  • - Darren: Three weeks,
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  • you're in.
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  • - Chris: Yeah, 3--basically,
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  • it's like, if your hand's up,
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  • you're in.
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  • Because we actually need to
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  • fill teams.
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  • We need to get things done
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  • 'cause of the way church
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  • is going on the weekends
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  • and the amazing people that
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  • God's bringing into the house.
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  • And so for us,
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  • it's just willingness.
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  • - Darren: Right.
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  • - Chris: Willingness where
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  • everything that Lucy and I do
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  • is on purpose,
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  • in terms of trying to establish
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  • the DNA of our house,
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  • the heart of our house,
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  • the culture that we have
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  • as a house, and trying to model
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  • that in our leadership.
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  • So for us, it's like,
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  • if you're willing, we're willing
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  • to take a chance on you.
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  • - Darren: So have you avoided,
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  • like, giving people titles, and
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  • that sort of thing in this area?
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  • - Chris: Hundred percent.
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  • Everyone is on the same page.
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  • There is no titles because we
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  • just need a "whatever it takes"
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  • attitude because we're building
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  • from the ground up.
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  • And so Lucy and I have that
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  • attitude, and we're trying
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  • to implement that in our team.
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  • It's not about position
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  • or title.
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  • It's about all of us carrying
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  • the weight of responsibility,
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  • having a "whatever it takes"
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  • attitude to build something
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  • that's gonna help people,
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  • and at the end, when everything
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  • is said and done, glorifies God.
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  • - Darren: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  • So, Cathy, you know,
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  • that word "standout,"
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  • what makes someone stand out
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  • to you?
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  • What makes someone,
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  • you know, when you're looking
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  • for a leader,
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  • what catches your attention?
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  • - Cathy Clarke: You know,
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  • it's--sometimes we think of
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  • the big things,
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  • that they're standout things.
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  • Whereas, really, I remember back
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  • quite a few years ago now I went
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  • to a wedding with one of our
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  • young guys that just came up
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  • through church, great guy,
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  • great family, getting married.
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  • So Gary and I were there.
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  • We were sitting at the table
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  • with all the people that
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  • we didn't know.
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  • But nevertheless, so we had to
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  • go around and kind of introduce
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  • ourselves to everybody.
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  • And as it turned out,
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  • they were all QCs.
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  • So they were all from
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  • the Queen's Council,
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  • and their husbands or wives
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  • that were all sitting around
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  • there.
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  • So it really made me ask
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  • the question,
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  • "Why are all of these guys,"
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  • there were three couples,
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  • and Gary and I, at the table.
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  • "Why are these guys coming to
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  • these kids' wedding?"
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  • Because he did work in that
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  • environment, but he wasn't a QC.
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  • He wasn't a lawyer.
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  • He wasn't anything like that.
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  • And I did, I had to ask,
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  • "Why, what was the standout
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  • about this kid?"
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  • And they said,
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  • "He became the go-to person.
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  • He was reliable.
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  • If he said something,
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  • he always did it.
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  • We could always trust him.
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  • He was always there."
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  • So just looking for the go-to
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  • person sometimes, I think,
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  • is a huge standout and something
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  • to look for, yeah.
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  • - Darren: That's actually
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  • awesome.
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  • I love that thought that you
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  • would even think to go,
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  • to follow that far down
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  • the track to go,
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  • "What is it?" you know?
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  • 'Cause I know, definitely
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  • in life, you find yourself
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  • surrounded by people, and I find
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  • myself, like, pinching myself,
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  • you know, at how my, you know,
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  • "How do I share an office
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  • with Robert Fergusson?"
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  • you know, for example.
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  • And you know, it's not like, you
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  • don't see yourself in any way
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  • as a standout, but I think
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  • sometimes it is that.
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  • It's the being able to get
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  • things done, just showing up.
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  • What about you, Robert?
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  • What do you think about?
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  • - Robert Fergusson: I think,
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  • obviously, everything
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  • that Cathy and Chris have said
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  • is absolutely gold.
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  • But what I would like to add
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  • is that the Bible says that
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  • fruit is essential
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  • to find out what really
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  • is in someone.
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  • Often, someone will say,
  • 00:07:20.030 --> 00:07:20.290
  • "Well, how do you know whether
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  • someone's a good leader?"
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  • I say,
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  • "Time and fruit will tell."
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  • But sometimes we don't have
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  • the time.
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  • If you think of someone
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  • like Paul the Apostle, he set up
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  • churches in the early church
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  • and he didn't have any time
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  • to choose the leaders.
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  • Often, within months, not years,
  • 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.030
  • months, he was appointing elders
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  • of a brand-new church
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  • and leaving.
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  • And I think that takes a lot
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  • of courage, but it also takes
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  • a measure of gift to look
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  • for the right things.
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  • So you're looking for astute.
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  • You're looking for the go-to.
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  • I think you could add
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  • consistency and faithfulness
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  • to that.
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  • Is that person there?
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  • One of the great keys to success
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  • in the church and in life is
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  • to turn up.
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  • And I'm looking for people
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  • who are gonna turn up.
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  • They're gonna turn up on time.
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  • They're gonna turn up every day.
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  • They're gonna turn up when
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  • we need them.
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  • They're what one of our team,
  • 00:08:14.010 --> 00:08:14.280
  • Julia A'Bell, calls,
  • 00:08:14.280 --> 00:08:16.070
  • "Gap fillers."
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  • They're always filling the gap.
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  • And you, the strange thing is
  • 00:08:19.130 --> 00:08:20.260
  • we've got a leadership training
  • 00:08:20.260 --> 00:08:21.280
  • college.
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  • You can almost pick them
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  • within the first week.
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  • You'll know that 3 years later,
  • 00:08:26.030 --> 00:08:28.080
  • these are the ones.
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  • They're gonna capture the heart
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  • of the church.
  • 00:08:31.270 --> 00:08:33.030
  • Now, obviously,
  • 00:08:33.030 --> 00:08:34.130
  • time and fruit will tell.
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  • But there's something that you
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  • pick right from the beginning.
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  • - Darren: Have you ever been
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  • in a situation where
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  • you've thought, you know,
  • 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:41.280
  • in that early period,
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  • you've thought,
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  • "This person is a standout.
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  • They are somebody who I think
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  • is gonna really highly perform,"
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  • but that fruit hasn't actually
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  • followed their life?
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  • Do you see, I mean--
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  • I've found that.
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  • I mean, I find there's people
  • 00:08:55.050 --> 00:08:56.140
  • that it just doesn't make sense.
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  • You think, you know,
  • 00:08:57.160 --> 00:08:58.160
  • "What is it about them?"
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  • 'Cause it all looks like,
  • 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.220
  • it looks like all the ducks
  • 00:09:01.220 --> 00:09:02.270
  • are lined up in a row.
  • 00:09:02.270 --> 00:09:03.260
  • But then, you know,
  • 00:09:03.260 --> 00:09:04.260
  • years and years on,
  • 00:09:04.260 --> 00:09:05.240
  • and the fruit hasn't followed.
  • 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.020
  • Have you seen any patterns
  • 00:09:07.020 --> 00:09:08.120
  • in that, or anything that you
  • 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.230
  • would--
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  • - Robert: Well, I think what
  • 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.190
  • Chris said in terms
  • 00:09:11.190 --> 00:09:12.210
  • of attitude is really important
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  • because we tend to look
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  • at the outward appearance.
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  • We look at performance.
  • 00:09:17.100 --> 00:09:19.060
  • So if somebody is enthusiastic,
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  • they're passionate, they're
  • 00:09:21.160 --> 00:09:22.090
  • on the front row, that can be
  • 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:25.110
  • a clue to good attitude,
  • 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:26.250
  • but it could be just a façade.
  • 00:09:26.250 --> 00:09:29.100
  • So you've gotta look beyond
  • 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:30.230
  • the simple performance.
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  • And it almost takes a measure
  • 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.210
  • of intuition.
  • 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:34.220
  • "What's really going on here?"
  • 00:09:34.220 --> 00:09:37.040
  • And I've been conned,
  • 00:09:37.040 --> 00:09:38.100
  • perhaps a bad word,
  • 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:40.140
  • but I've been taken by surprise
  • 00:09:40.140 --> 00:09:43.100
  • by the most enthusiastic people,
  • 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:45.240
  • and yet, underneath,
  • 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.070
  • they weren't like that at all.
  • 00:09:47.070 --> 00:09:48.220
  • And yet, some of the quietest
  • 00:09:48.220 --> 00:09:49.250
  • people on the back row,
  • 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:51.170
  • who I wouldn't have picked,
  • 00:09:51.170 --> 00:09:53.040
  • have turned out to be the great
  • 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:54.050
  • leaders.
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  • So I could give you actual
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  • examples.
  • 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:57.100
  • I remember many years ago when
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  • I was the principal of our much
  • 00:09:59.160 --> 00:10:01.100
  • smaller Bible college.
  • 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:02.280
  • And one enthusiastic person on
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  • the front row, always at every
  • 00:10:05.140 --> 00:10:07.240
  • prayer meeting, turned out,
  • 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.070
  • we actually had the fraud squad
  • 00:10:10.070 --> 00:10:11.290
  • ring us because he turned out
  • 00:10:11.290 --> 00:10:13.150
  • to be a fraudster.
  • 00:10:13.150 --> 00:10:15.130
  • And one of the quietest people I
  • 00:10:15.130 --> 00:10:17.240
  • met 18 years later, and I asked,
  • 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:20.250
  • "What have you done in the last
  • 00:10:20.250 --> 00:10:21.200
  • 18 years?"
  • 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:22.240
  • And she said, "I started
  • 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:23.280
  • a church-planting campaign, and
  • 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:25.130
  • I've planted 2.000 churches."
  • 00:10:25.130 --> 00:10:27.250
  • So that just showed how wrong
  • 00:10:27.250 --> 00:10:29.130
  • I was.
  • 00:10:29.130 --> 00:10:30.160
  • I would never have picked her,
  • 00:10:30.160 --> 00:10:32.110
  • and I did pick him.
  • 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:33.270
  • I got it totally wrong, so.
  • 00:10:33.270 --> 00:10:35.030
  • - Darren: Isn't that,
  • 00:10:35.030 --> 00:10:36.040
  • even in that context,
  • 00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:37.160
  • isn't that an amazing thought,
  • 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:39.090
  • that maybe what you think
  • 00:10:39.090 --> 00:10:41.030
  • is gonna stand out
  • 00:10:41.030 --> 00:10:42.040
  • doesn't stand out, and not
  • 00:10:42.040 --> 00:10:43.100
  • to write people off too soon?
  • 00:10:43.100 --> 00:10:44.190
  • I think that's one of
  • 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:45.270
  • the vital lessons.
  • 00:10:45.270 --> 00:10:47.010
  • That's awesome.
  • 00:10:47.010 --> 00:10:48.070
  • - announcer: Coming up next.
  • 00:10:48.070 --> 00:10:49.180
  • - Chris: Kingdom leadership
  • 00:10:49.180 --> 00:10:50.110
  • is one that always wants
  • 00:10:50.110 --> 00:10:51.190
  • to raise people up for them
  • 00:10:51.190 --> 00:10:53.170
  • to achieve more than you,
  • 00:10:53.170 --> 00:10:54.240
  • but it comes down to that
  • 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:55.250
  • question on the inside,
  • 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:56.220
  • "Am I secure enough to be able
  • 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:58.250
  • to inspire and lead them
  • 00:10:58.250 --> 00:11:00.140
  • in a way where that's gonna be
  • 00:11:00.140 --> 00:11:01.160
  • the fruit?"
  • 00:11:01.160 --> 00:11:02.250
  • - Robert: The voices that we
  • 00:11:02.250 --> 00:11:03.210
  • hear in the world cannot create
  • 00:11:03.210 --> 00:11:05.180
  • faith.
  • 00:11:05.180 --> 00:11:06.190
  • God's Word, and God's Word only,
  • 00:11:06.190 --> 00:11:08.190
  • creates faith.
  • 00:11:08.190 --> 00:11:10.090
  • - announcer: That's next on
  • 00:11:10.090 --> 00:11:11.080
  • the "Leadership Collective."
  • 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.050
  • - Darren: Let's take our
  • 00:11:13.050 --> 00:11:13.280
  • next question.
  • 00:11:13.280 --> 00:11:16.230
  • - Chris Sajnendra: How do you
  • 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:17.180
  • raise leaders to stand on your
  • 00:11:17.180 --> 00:11:19.010
  • shoulders and be bigger
  • 00:11:19.010 --> 00:11:20.210
  • and better than you?
  • 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:21.070
  • And do you find that
  • 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:22.070
  • - Darren: Ah, the old
  • 00:11:25.030 --> 00:11:26.050
  • threatening question.
  • 00:11:26.050 --> 00:11:27.140
  • [laughing]
  • 00:11:27.140 --> 00:11:28.260
  • I mean, we all know the right
  • 00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:30.060
  • answer to this one, right?
  • 00:11:30.060 --> 00:11:31.160
  • And I'm sure that if we want, we
  • 00:11:31.160 --> 00:11:32.200
  • can spend the next few minutes
  • 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:33.170
  • giving the right answer to this.
  • 00:11:33.170 --> 00:11:35.000
  • But it'd be good to have
  • 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.110
  • an element of vulnerability
  • 00:11:36.110 --> 00:11:37.140
  • with this.
  • 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:38.090
  • I think, you know, Chris,
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:39.090
  • I mean, is that, is there an
  • 00:11:39.090 --> 00:11:40.240
  • element of that with you?
  • 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:41.230
  • I know that when you plant a
  • 00:11:41.230 --> 00:11:43.020
  • new church, a lot of people will
  • 00:11:43.020 --> 00:11:44.080
  • come because of, potentially,
  • 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.020
  • their opportunity.
  • 00:11:46.020 --> 00:11:47.140
  • How do you view that?
  • 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:49.060
  • - Chris: Yeah, it's a amazing
  • 00:11:49.060 --> 00:11:50.140
  • question.
  • 00:11:50.140 --> 00:11:51.120
  • And it's something that,
  • 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:52.190
  • as leaders, we grapple with,
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:54.000
  • I think, on a daily basis
  • 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.080
  • in our leadership.
  • 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.190
  • You know, even before going
  • 00:11:57.190 --> 00:11:58.270
  • to Argentina and planting
  • 00:11:58.270 --> 00:12:00.120
  • our church over there,
  • 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.110
  • being a pastor on staff here
  • 00:12:02.110 --> 00:12:04.050
  • in Sydney for 11 years,
  • 00:12:04.050 --> 00:12:06.020
  • and leading different teams,
  • 00:12:06.020 --> 00:12:07.240
  • and being in different roles,
  • 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.010
  • and always trying to bring
  • 00:12:09.010 --> 00:12:10.080
  • people through, those who were
  • 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.250
  • more talented, those who were
  • 00:12:12.250 --> 00:12:14.040
  • more gifted, you know,
  • 00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:16.120
  • it comes down to the question,
  • 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:17.120
  • "Well, how secure am I,
  • 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:18.260
  • as a leader, on the inside?"
  • 00:12:18.260 --> 00:12:20.280
  • And you need to grapple with
  • 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:22.110
  • that because kingdom leadership
  • 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:24.240
  • is one that always wants
  • 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:25.240
  • to raise people up for them
  • 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.220
  • to achieve more than you,
  • 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:29.030
  • go further than you,
  • 00:12:29.030 --> 00:12:30.110
  • be better than you.
  • 00:12:30.110 --> 00:12:32.070
  • But it comes down that question
  • 00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:33.120
  • on the inside, "Am I secure
  • 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.150
  • enough to be able to inspire
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:37.040
  • and lead them in a way where
  • 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:38.120
  • that's gonna be the fruit?"
  • 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.000
  • And I know I've failed
  • 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:40.260
  • that question many times.
  • 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:42.140
  • And it's a journey that I
  • 00:12:42.140 --> 00:12:43.190
  • believe we're all on as leaders.
  • 00:12:43.190 --> 00:12:46.010
  • And I think that we are blessed
  • 00:12:46.010 --> 00:12:47.130
  • with the culture that we're
  • 00:12:47.130 --> 00:12:49.070
  • involved in as a church
  • 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:51.240
  • because everything in the heart
  • 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.060
  • of our senior pastors is about
  • 00:12:53.060 --> 00:12:55.030
  • empowering and raising
  • 00:12:55.030 --> 00:12:56.200
  • the next generation.
  • 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:57.270
  • And I think that we always
  • 00:12:57.270 --> 00:12:59.140
  • need to, yeah, we always need to
  • 00:12:59.140 --> 00:13:01.110
  • die to self and realize that the
  • 00:13:01.110 --> 00:13:04.110
  • kingdom is most effective when
  • 00:13:04.110 --> 00:13:06.140
  • the generations get stronger.
  • 00:13:06.140 --> 00:13:08.230
  • But it's not an easy thing.
  • 00:13:08.230 --> 00:13:09.260
  • It's a daily journey.
  • 00:13:09.260 --> 00:13:10.290
  • And I love it.
  • 00:13:10.290 --> 00:13:12.170
  • You know, I always say to our
  • 00:13:12.170 --> 00:13:13.270
  • team back home right now,
  • 00:13:13.270 --> 00:13:15.110
  • 6 months in, I say, "The most
  • 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:17.090
  • successful day that we will ever
  • 00:13:17.090 --> 00:13:19.120
  • have in Hillsong Buenos Aires,
  • 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.200
  • or Hillsong São Paulo, when we
  • 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.030
  • start it, is the day where I'm
  • 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:26.090
  • not emceeing, or I'm not talking
  • 00:13:26.090 --> 00:13:28.050
  • about the offering,
  • 00:13:28.050 --> 00:13:29.220
  • I'm not preaching,
  • 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:31.150
  • but along with my wife,
  • 00:13:31.150 --> 00:13:32.250
  • we're sitting on the front row,
  • 00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:34.190
  • applauding people who have
  • 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:36.180
  • come through in our house and
  • 00:13:36.180 --> 00:13:38.220
  • who are now takin' their place
  • 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:39.270
  • in the kingdom."
  • 00:13:39.270 --> 00:13:41.190
  • That's an easy thing to say.
  • 00:13:41.190 --> 00:13:43.100
  • [laughing]
  • 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:44.130
  • But it's not such an easy thing
  • 00:13:44.130 --> 00:13:45.210
  • to do.
  • 00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:47.040
  • But it's a daily journey.
  • 00:13:47.040 --> 00:13:48.200
  • - Darren: Yeah, that's awesome.
  • 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:49.280
  • I know for you, Cathy,
  • 00:13:49.280 --> 00:13:50.260
  • you would've seen, you know,
  • 00:13:50.260 --> 00:13:52.010
  • for all over the years
  • 00:13:52.010 --> 00:13:53.080
  • in London, as you started
  • 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.040
  • to start campuses,
  • 00:13:54.040 --> 00:13:56.090
  • and see people come to--
  • 00:13:56.090 --> 00:13:57.280
  • how do you negotiate that?
  • 00:13:57.280 --> 00:13:59.190
  • Or is it for you a celebration
  • 00:13:59.190 --> 00:14:01.150
  • when someone steps into
  • 00:14:01.150 --> 00:14:02.180
  • their own?
  • 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:03.110
  • - Cathy: Yeah.
  • 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:04.230
  • You know, I think one of the
  • 00:14:04.230 --> 00:14:05.210
  • things that I've appreciated
  • 00:14:05.210 --> 00:14:06.260
  • more than anything of getting
  • 00:14:06.260 --> 00:14:08.200
  • a little bit older is valuing
  • 00:14:09.050 --> 00:14:12.050
  • that more and more.
  • 00:14:12.050 --> 00:14:14.130
  • So you can say that,
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:15.260
  • and absolutely, young people
  • 00:14:15.260 --> 00:14:18.100
  • can say it, and they mean it.
  • 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:20.250
  • But I mean it a lot more, more
  • 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:24.200
  • now that what I ever did when
  • 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.020
  • I was in my 30s, or maybe even
  • 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:28.040
  • in my 40s.
  • 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:29.040
  • But now that I'm in my 50s,
  • 00:14:29.040 --> 00:14:30.080
  • I realize and I value it so much
  • 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.220
  • more, that these guys seriously
  • 00:14:33.050 --> 00:14:36.050
  • have to step up.
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  • And if we don't allow them,
  • 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.200
  • and if you don't give them that
  • 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.200
  • space to step up and have
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.200
  • the confidence to be able to go,
  • 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:42.200
  • "We're not threatened by you.
  • 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.060
  • You can get on there,
  • 00:14:44.060 --> 00:14:45.090
  • and you can do that,
  • 00:14:45.090 --> 00:14:46.050
  • or you can preach,
  • 00:14:46.050 --> 00:14:46.270
  • or you can whatever."
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  • But that is the best thing.
  • 00:14:48.010 --> 00:14:50.130
  • And I'm really enjoying that.
  • 00:14:50.130 --> 00:14:52.020
  • And it's actually not that long
  • 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.100
  • ago when I really had that,
  • 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.150
  • kind of, hmm,
  • 00:14:54.150 --> 00:14:56.110
  • shouldn't really call it
  • 00:14:56.110 --> 00:14:57.130
  • a "revelation," or whatever.
  • 00:14:57.130 --> 00:14:58.260
  • But I really did have a bit of
  • 00:14:58.260 --> 00:14:59.280
  • a moment with God,
  • 00:14:59.280 --> 00:15:00.270
  • where I just thought,
  • 00:15:00.270 --> 00:15:02.150
  • "God, this is so important,
  • 00:15:02.150 --> 00:15:04.030
  • these young people.
  • 00:15:04.030 --> 00:15:05.180
  • I don't care about me.
  • 00:15:05.180 --> 00:15:07.000
  • These young people
  • 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:07.290
  • are so important."
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  • - Darren: Do you think that's
  • 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:10.060
  • an ambition thing that maybe
  • 00:15:10.060 --> 00:15:11.240
  • wanes a little?
  • 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.140
  • Do you think it's--
  • 00:15:13.140 --> 00:15:14.190
  • I'm not sure.
  • 00:15:14.190 --> 00:15:15.130
  • I know Gary said to me, he goes,
  • 00:15:15.130 --> 00:15:17.200
  • "Oh, yeah, you're over 40.
  • 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.040
  • You don't care about that stuff
  • 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:20.010
  • anymore," you know?
  • 00:15:20.010 --> 00:15:21.010
  • And I know that there's
  • 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:22.090
  • definitely a truth to that,
  • 00:15:22.090 --> 00:15:24.260
  • but you know, I don't know.
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  • I'd be interested in your
  • 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:27.220
  • thoughts on that.
  • 00:15:27.220 --> 00:15:28.180
  • - Cathy: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:29.180
  • To be honest, I think you
  • 00:15:29.180 --> 00:15:30.290
  • just really just look at life
  • 00:15:30.290 --> 00:15:32.030
  • a little bit differently.
  • 00:15:32.030 --> 00:15:33.020
  • And you do see, "Oh my goodness.
  • 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:34.270
  • The last 20 years went fast.
  • 00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:36.010
  • So the next 20 years
  • 00:15:36.010 --> 00:15:38.020
  • are gonna go fast."
  • 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:40.210
  • So then you say, "Oh, 50, 70,
  • 00:15:40.210 --> 00:15:42.240
  • oh my goodness,
  • 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.000
  • it's gonna go fast."
  • 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.110
  • - Darren: Comin' through this.
  • 00:15:47.110 --> 00:15:49.170
  • - Cathy: Yeah, yeah,
  • 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:50.110
  • you really do.
  • 00:15:50.110 --> 00:15:51.050
  • And I know that, I just,
  • 00:15:51.050 --> 00:15:52.040
  • I so do not want to see
  • 00:15:52.040 --> 00:15:53.140
  • church rising and falling
  • 00:15:53.140 --> 00:15:55.090
  • on Brian Houston,
  • 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:57.140
  • Brian and Bobbie Houston.
  • 00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:58.280
  • I do not want our kids
  • 00:15:58.280 --> 00:16:00.240
  • to grow up and go,
  • 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.070
  • "Oh, yeah, Hillsong Church,
  • 00:16:02.070 --> 00:16:03.140
  • that was a great church.
  • 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:04.210
  • That was a great church."
  • 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:07.190
  • I really want our kids to be
  • 00:16:07.190 --> 00:16:08.270
  • able to grow up, saying,
  • 00:16:08.270 --> 00:16:10.090
  • "Oh my gosh,
  • 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.250
  • Hillsong Church is still
  • 00:16:11.250 --> 00:16:12.230
  • a thriving, lively, happening,
  • 00:16:12.280 --> 00:16:15.280
  • cutting-edge church," yeah.
  • 00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:17.260
  • - Darren: Yeah, that's awesome.
  • 00:16:17.260 --> 00:16:19.030
  • Okay, let's take our next
  • 00:16:19.030 --> 00:16:19.190
  • - Brent: The question I have
  • 00:16:23.140 --> 00:16:24.170
  • is, how do you hear from God?
  • 00:16:24.170 --> 00:16:26.190
  • And how do you differentiate
  • 00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:27.170
  • between his voice
  • 00:16:27.170 --> 00:16:29.260
  • - Darren: This is the one
  • 00:16:33.050 --> 00:16:34.030
  • that I really wanna hear
  • 00:16:34.030 --> 00:16:34.210
  • from you about, Robert.
  • 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:35.180
  • And I am listening intently
  • 00:16:35.180 --> 00:16:36.170
  • because--
  • 00:16:36.170 --> 00:16:37.030
  • - Robert: So just tell me
  • 00:16:37.030 --> 00:16:37.190
  • the question again.
  • 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:38.120
  • - Darren: So we're asking,
  • 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:39.060
  • do you, how do you differentiate
  • 00:16:39.060 --> 00:16:41.030
  • between the voice of God, or
  • 00:16:41.030 --> 00:16:42.210
  • hearing from God, and your own
  • 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:44.010
  • thoughts, like a good idea?
  • 00:16:44.010 --> 00:16:45.180
  • - Robert: That is a cool
  • 00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:47.030
  • question, to which, I think,
  • 00:16:47.030 --> 00:16:48.280
  • I should pass.
  • 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:50.020
  • No.
  • 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:50.170
  • [laughing]
  • 00:16:50.170 --> 00:16:52.000
  • And I, the Bible says
  • 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.270
  • in Romans 10:17, it says:
  • 00:16:53.270 --> 00:16:56.020
  • "Faith comes by hearing,
  • 00:16:56.020 --> 00:16:57.180
  • hearing by the Word of God."
  • 00:16:57.180 --> 00:16:58.290
  • In other words, my own voice,
  • 00:16:59.180 --> 00:17:02.200
  • or the voices that we hear in
  • 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.040
  • the world, cannot create faith.
  • 00:17:04.230 --> 00:17:07.230
  • God's Word, and God's Word only,
  • 00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:10.060
  • create faith.
  • 00:17:10.060 --> 00:17:11.180
  • So I think, as Christian
  • 00:17:11.180 --> 00:17:13.260
  • leaders, we've gotta have
  • 00:17:13.260 --> 00:17:15.010
  • a faith monitor.
  • 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:17.190
  • We've got to actually appreciate
  • 00:17:17.190 --> 00:17:20.020
  • what it is to receive faith.
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:22.260
  • We've gotta know what that
  • 00:17:22.260 --> 00:17:24.030
  • is like so that when we hear
  • 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:26.260
  • from God, faith rises.
  • 00:17:26.260 --> 00:17:29.070
  • So I would say there
  • 00:17:29.070 --> 00:17:30.270
  • are pretty much three tests
  • 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:34.040
  • of the Word of God.
  • 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:35.140
  • Number one, faith,
  • 00:17:35.140 --> 00:17:36.250
  • does it create faith?
  • 00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:38.080
  • Number two,
  • 00:17:38.080 --> 00:17:39.030
  • does it produce fruit?
  • 00:17:39.030 --> 00:17:40.180
  • Number three, does it last?
  • 00:17:40.180 --> 00:17:43.030
  • And when I say, "Does it last?"
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:45.030
  • sometimes I have a pizza dream.
  • 00:17:45.030 --> 00:17:48.030
  • It's not a God dream at all,
  • 00:17:48.030 --> 00:17:50.010
  • but it seems very bright
  • 00:17:50.010 --> 00:17:51.110
  • in the morning.
  • 00:17:51.110 --> 00:17:52.010
  • - Darren: Dreaming about pizza?
  • 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:52.210
  • Or the pizza caused you
  • 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:53.210
  • to dream?
  • 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:54.200
  • - Robert: Yeah, exactly.
  • 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:55.090
  • - Darren: Okay, I just wanted
  • 00:17:55.090 --> 00:17:55.270
  • clarification.
  • 00:17:55.270 --> 00:17:56.190
  • - Robert: It could go either
  • 00:17:56.190 --> 00:17:57.070
  • way, but--
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:17:57.210
  • - Darren: Yeah, that's right,
  • 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:58.090
  • yeah.
  • 00:17:58.090 --> 00:17:59.090
  • - Robert: But you wake up in
  • 00:17:59.090 --> 00:17:59.290
  • the morning and it's like this
  • 00:17:59.290 --> 00:18:02.010
  • very real, colorful thought,
  • 00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:04.010
  • but 3 hours later you don't even
  • 00:18:04.010 --> 00:18:06.260
  • remember it.
  • 00:18:06.260 --> 00:18:08.000
  • If it's a God Word,
  • 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.090
  • if it's a God dream,
  • 00:18:09.090 --> 00:18:10.210
  • whether at night or in the day,
  • 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:13.010
  • it just doesn't leave you.
  • 00:18:13.010 --> 00:18:15.090
  • It stays there.
  • 00:18:15.090 --> 00:18:16.170
  • It produces good fruit,
  • 00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:18.010
  • and it creates faith.
  • 00:18:18.010 --> 00:18:20.080
  • So those are always
  • 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:21.020
  • my three tests.
  • 00:18:21.020 --> 00:18:22.230
  • - Darren: Have you ever, Chris,
  • 00:18:22.230 --> 00:18:24.060
  • got to the point where you
  • 00:18:24.060 --> 00:18:25.080
  • thought you'd heard from God,
  • 00:18:25.080 --> 00:18:26.090
  • and you were almost sure
  • 00:18:26.090 --> 00:18:27.120
  • about it, but then, kind of,
  • 00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:28.170
  • maybe the time's not done on it,
  • 00:18:29.040 --> 00:18:32.040
  • but you know,
  • 00:18:32.040 --> 00:18:33.010
  • feel like maybe you might have
  • 00:18:33.010 --> 00:18:33.200
  • missed it, or--
  • 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.110
  • - Chris: Yeah, hundred percent,
  • 00:18:34.110 --> 00:18:35.250
  • hundred percent.
  • 00:18:35.250 --> 00:18:37.000
  • And that's where you just keep
  • 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.100
  • stepping out in faith, 100%.
  • 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:41.250
  • And that's where, you know,
  • 00:18:41.250 --> 00:18:42.270
  • one of the things Robert
  • 00:18:42.270 --> 00:18:43.230
  • taught me in Bible college,
  • 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:46.090
  • and then in the times that
  • 00:18:46.090 --> 00:18:47.140
  • over years we would catch up
  • 00:18:47.140 --> 00:18:48.170
  • regularly and talk about
  • 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:49.230
  • preaching, and any thought,
  • 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:52.020
  • or any idea.
  • 00:18:52.020 --> 00:18:53.080
  • For me, if it doesn't line up
  • 00:18:53.080 --> 00:18:55.040
  • with the Word of God,
  • 00:18:55.040 --> 00:18:56.050
  • 'cause you can be in a movie,
  • 00:18:56.050 --> 00:18:57.170
  • and you get inspiration
  • 00:18:57.170 --> 00:18:59.080
  • by the story you're watching,
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.280
  • and then you say,
  • 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:01.210
  • "Okay, does that line up
  • 00:19:01.210 --> 00:19:02.200
  • with Scripture?
  • 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:03.200
  • Does that line up with truth?"
  • 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.130
  • And that will always be my test.
  • 00:19:05.130 --> 00:19:06.240
  • "Is what I'm thinking,
  • 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.230
  • is what I'm feeling,
  • 00:19:07.230 --> 00:19:09.030
  • lining up with the truth
  • 00:19:09.030 --> 00:19:10.110
  • of the Word?"
  • 00:19:10.110 --> 00:19:11.130
  • And there's been times
  • 00:19:11.130 --> 00:19:12.160
  • where I've had thoughts,
  • 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:13.130
  • and it's like,
  • 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:14.190
  • "No, that wasn't right,"
  • 00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:15.200
  • you know?
  • 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.140
  • And that's where you grow.
  • 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.110
  • And we're all on a journey,
  • 00:19:17.110 --> 00:19:19.000
  • and I'm believing God that
  • 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.180
  • in 10 years from now
  • 00:19:20.180 --> 00:19:22.060
  • I'm gonna be further along
  • 00:19:22.060 --> 00:19:23.010
  • the track than I was 10 years
  • 00:19:23.010 --> 00:19:25.000
  • prior to now, you know?
  • 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:26.000
  • So and I just think that's
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.090
  • where faith steps in.
  • 00:19:27.090 --> 00:19:28.260
  • - Darren: Yeah, oh, it's been
  • 00:19:28.260 --> 00:19:30.120
  • amazing watching you step out
  • 00:19:30.120 --> 00:19:31.140
  • in faith, even in this season.
  • 00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:32.210
  • But you know, throughout your
  • 00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:34.080
  • life and your walk as one of our
  • 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:36.220
  • pastors and one of our teams,
  • 00:19:36.220 --> 00:19:38.040
  • just see you constantly
  • 00:19:38.040 --> 00:19:39.130
  • takin' that step of faith,
  • 00:19:39.130 --> 00:19:40.200
  • and takin' that step of faith.
  • 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.190
  • - announcer: Join us after
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  • the break.
  • 00:19:45.220 --> 00:19:46.200
  • - Cathy: Well, if you look at
  • 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:47.120
  • the world today, it's undeniable
  • 00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:48.260
  • that stuff is happening.
  • 00:19:48.260 --> 00:19:50.220
  • Everyone is searching for truth.
  • 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:52.100
  • And that's where the church
  • 00:19:52.100 --> 00:19:53.240
  • can truly, really,
  • 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.060
  • stand up and make a difference.
  • 00:19:55.060 --> 00:19:56.270
  • - announcer: That's next on
  • 00:19:56.270 --> 00:19:57.250
  • the "Leadership Collective."
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  • - Darren: All right,
  • 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.180
  • - Tiare: What is it that God is
  • 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:04.160
  • saying in this season?
  • 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:05.160
  • Are there any themes that are
  • 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:06.190
  • - Darren: Whoa,
  • 00:20:09.260 --> 00:20:11.160
  • that's an easy question.
  • 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:12.220
  • I'm sure we've all got a,
  • 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:14.130
  • you know, cookie-cutter answer
  • 00:20:14.130 --> 00:20:15.140
  • for that one.
  • 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:16.220
  • I mean, is that something
  • 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:17.270
  • that we can even answer?
  • 00:20:17.270 --> 00:20:19.060
  • I mean, Cathy, do you feel like
  • 00:20:19.060 --> 00:20:20.210
  • God's speakin' to the body
  • 00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:22.210
  • of Christ in any--I mean?
  • 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:25.120
  • - Cathy: Well, if you look at
  • 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:26.100
  • the world today, it's undeniable
  • 00:20:26.100 --> 00:20:29.030
  • that stuff is happening, that
  • 00:20:29.030 --> 00:20:31.080
  • there is darkness, and things.
  • 00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:32.260
  • Even just from the UK, just
  • 00:20:32.260 --> 00:20:35.000
  • looking over the last few weeks,
  • 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.100
  • and just briefly, how Brexit's
  • 00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:38.030
  • happening, and you hear a lot
  • 00:20:38.030 --> 00:20:40.040
  • of political talk going on,
  • 00:20:40.040 --> 00:20:41.240
  • and the value of the dollar,
  • 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.240
  • and all that kind of stuff.
  • 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:44.290
  • But that's happening,
  • 00:20:44.290 --> 00:20:46.250
  • without a doubt.
  • 00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:48.050
  • And you'd have to be blind
  • 00:20:48.050 --> 00:20:49.090
  • not to see that.
  • 00:20:49.090 --> 00:20:50.180
  • So in that, you kinda go,
  • 00:20:50.180 --> 00:20:52.220
  • "What I love is that the church
  • 00:20:52.220 --> 00:20:53.260
  • is truth."
  • 00:20:53.260 --> 00:20:55.000
  • And I believe that everyone
  • 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.290
  • is searching for truth.
  • 00:20:56.290 --> 00:20:58.220
  • So if that's a politician
  • 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:00.230
  • and then they disappoint,
  • 00:21:00.230 --> 00:21:01.230
  • and they say,
  • 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:02.210
  • they're promising all of this,
  • 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:03.170
  • and then it doesn't happen,
  • 00:21:03.170 --> 00:21:04.150
  • or it's this referendum
  • 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:05.290
  • I voted for, and I didn't get
  • 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:06.270
  • the result that I was voting
  • 00:21:06.270 --> 00:21:08.020
  • for, and all that kinda stuff.
  • 00:21:08.020 --> 00:21:09.160
  • Life comes, life goes.
  • 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:10.280
  • But everyone really
  • 00:21:10.280 --> 00:21:12.180
  • is searching for truth.
  • 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:14.280
  • And I love the fact that
  • 00:21:14.280 --> 00:21:16.240
  • the Bible is just, and that God,
  • 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:18.150
  • the Word of God,
  • 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:19.250
  • is just, it's there.
  • 00:21:19.250 --> 00:21:21.260
  • It stays.
  • 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:22.240
  • Constantly, it never changes.
  • 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.050
  • It's always gonna be the same.
  • 00:21:24.050 --> 00:21:24.280
  • God is always gonna be the same.
  • 00:21:24.280 --> 00:21:26.170
  • So I definitely think that stuff
  • 00:21:26.170 --> 00:21:28.230
  • is happening in the world.
  • 00:21:28.230 --> 00:21:30.130
  • And that we can see, with the
  • 00:21:30.130 --> 00:21:31.180
  • refugees, and all of that kinda
  • 00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:33.030
  • stuff is happening everywhere.
  • 00:21:33.030 --> 00:21:35.070
  • And people are questioning.
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  • They really are questioning
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  • life, and that's shown by,
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  • well, I'll just throw to the
  • 00:21:39.090 --> 00:21:40.160
  • politicians again, but just that
  • 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.000
  • they're voting for all sorts
  • 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.080
  • of independent people and so on,
  • 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:44.220
  • and they're kinda going away
  • 00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:45.270
  • from the established parties.
  • 00:21:45.270 --> 00:21:47.160
  • But that people are really just,
  • 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.230
  • they're just, like,
  • 00:21:48.230 --> 00:21:49.250
  • they're disappointed.
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  • They're let down.
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  • They're looking for truth.
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  • They're looking for something.
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  • And that's where the Bible,
  • 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.250
  • that's where the church can
  • 00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:58.000
  • truly, really, stand up
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  • and make a difference.
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  • - Darren: What about you,
  • 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:02.120
  • Robert?
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  • Do you have a prophetic word
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  • for the church in this season?
  • 00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:05.110
  • Do you--
  • 00:22:05.110 --> 00:22:06.110
  • - Robert: It's a really
  • 00:22:06.110 --> 00:22:07.020
  • interesting question.
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:09.090
  • It's a really interesting
  • 00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:10.210
  • question because, as the Bible
  • 00:22:10.210 --> 00:22:12.130
  • says in Amos 3:7, it says:
  • 00:22:12.130 --> 00:22:14.140
  • "God doesn't do anything
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  • on earth without first revealing
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  • himself to his servants,
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  • the prophets.
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  • In other words, whenever
  • 00:22:21.110 --> 00:22:22.180
  • something happens,
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  • somebody knows.
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  • The whole trouble is
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  • it doesn't seem to be us.
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  • But somebody knows.
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  • But if you ask someone
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  • in America, someone in Europe,
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  • someone in Africa,
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  • someone in Asia,
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  • someone in Australia,
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  • what they thought God was doing,
  • 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:35.050
  • it would all be very different
  • 00:22:35.050 --> 00:22:36.290
  • because everybody is so local.
  • 00:22:36.290 --> 00:22:39.120
  • So I think we've gotta
  • 00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:40.100
  • go back to what Cathy said.
  • 00:22:40.100 --> 00:22:42.140
  • Go back to the fundamental
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  • truths.
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  • Don't try and find the big
  • 00:22:44.180 --> 00:22:46.040
  • God Word.
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  • Go back to the actual truth.
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  • We live in uncertain times.
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  • There is no doubt about
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  • that in any of the continents.
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  • We live in uncertain times.
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  • Now's the time for the church to
  • 00:22:56.250 --> 00:22:58.230
  • be certain, not to fall for the
  • 00:22:58.230 --> 00:23:01.050
  • post-modern idea of being
  • 00:23:01.050 --> 00:23:02.270
  • uncertain, "I'm not sure."
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  • No, we need to be certain.
  • 00:23:04.280 --> 00:23:06.100
  • And I would add, I think we need
  • 00:23:06.100 --> 00:23:07.280
  • to be a little more urgent
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  • than we are.
  • 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:10.190
  • Because I think there
  • 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:11.220
  • is a measure of urgency about
  • 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.040
  • what we're doing.
  • 00:23:13.040 --> 00:23:14.110
  • So certainty and urgency
  • 00:23:14.110 --> 00:23:16.100
  • I would say could be two words
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  • to bear in mind.
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  • - Darren: I know Pastor Brian
  • 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:20.230
  • always talks about the church
  • 00:23:20.230 --> 00:23:22.030
  • kind of being constant, and not,
  • 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:23.260
  • you know, following different
  • 00:23:23.260 --> 00:23:25.110
  • fads, even within church life
  • 00:23:25.110 --> 00:23:26.170
  • fads, you know, but try to stay
  • 00:23:26.170 --> 00:23:28.070
  • true to who God's called us
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  • to be as a church.
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  • And I know for people
  • 00:23:30.270 --> 00:23:31.270
  • who are having, like,
  • 00:23:31.270 --> 00:23:32.270
  • a point of contact, where,
  • 00:23:32.270 --> 00:23:34.050
  • you know, it is consistent,
  • 00:23:34.050 --> 00:23:36.020
  • and it is constant,
  • 00:23:36.020 --> 00:23:37.030
  • and you know, obviously
  • 00:23:37.030 --> 00:23:38.090
  • the Word of God in their life,
  • 00:23:38.090 --> 00:23:39.110
  • but also the community,
  • 00:23:39.110 --> 00:23:40.120
  • and the church community
  • 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:41.140
  • that they're in, it's, I think
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:43.010
  • it's, that's another one of our
  • 00:23:43.010 --> 00:23:44.120
  • responsibilities, is actually
  • 00:23:44.120 --> 00:23:45.210
  • just to stay true to what we
  • 00:23:45.210 --> 00:23:46.280
  • believe and who we're doin' it
  • 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:48.290
  • for, and to see people have
  • 00:23:48.290 --> 00:23:50.110
  • a bit of a safe place, you know?
  • 00:23:50.110 --> 00:23:52.020
  • I know in our church in Paris,
  • 00:23:52.020 --> 00:23:54.210
  • after, you know, they had some
  • 00:23:54.210 --> 00:23:56.080
  • turmoil there that, you know,
  • 00:23:56.080 --> 00:23:57.190
  • changed the landscape of the
  • 00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:58.290
  • church, and you know, initial,
  • 00:23:58.290 --> 00:24:00.290
  • early stages, you know,
  • 00:24:00.290 --> 00:24:02.050
  • the church dropped down in size,
  • 00:24:02.050 --> 00:24:03.270
  • and security was of concern.
  • 00:24:03.270 --> 00:24:05.270
  • And you know, but over time, as
  • 00:24:05.270 --> 00:24:07.100
  • they've just kept on doin' what
  • 00:24:07.100 --> 00:24:08.190
  • God's called 'em to do, they've
  • 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:09.260
  • seen that, you know, come back,
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  • and more.
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  • And I don't know that that's,
  • 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.050
  • you know, I guess, my
  • 00:24:13.050 --> 00:24:14.070
  • encouragement would be, "Yeah,
  • 00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:15.210
  • let's be true to who God's
  • 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:17.070
  • called us to be in this season,
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  • and let's see where it goes."
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  • - Chris: You need to know
  • 00:24:21.060 --> 00:24:22.020
  • what's going on in the world.
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  • You know what another thing,
  • 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.290
  • sir, I'm throwing to you,
  • 00:24:25.290 --> 00:24:27.080
  • my teacher, that Robert always
  • 00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:31.190
  • taught, and I think it's,
  • 00:24:31.190 --> 00:24:34.080
  • and we see it modeled
  • 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:35.070
  • in Pastor Brian, you know, like,
  • 00:24:35.070 --> 00:24:37.200
  • "Oh, what's the prophetic word
  • 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.280
  • for the church?"
  • 00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:39.250
  • I just think if you know
  • 00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:40.270
  • what's going on in the world,
  • 00:24:40.270 --> 00:24:42.090
  • and you can have the newspaper
  • 00:24:42.090 --> 00:24:43.170
  • in one hand, and you know
  • 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:45.100
  • what people are facing
  • 00:24:45.100 --> 00:24:46.250
  • from Monday to Saturday,
  • 00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:48.160
  • and have the Bible
  • 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:49.160
  • in another hand,
  • 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:50.240
  • and marry truth with what
  • 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.150
  • the world is facing to bring
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  • people hope, to bring people
  • 00:24:54.290 --> 00:24:56.120
  • answers, that every weekend,
  • 00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:59.170
  • when we get up and we share
  • 00:24:59.170 --> 00:25:00.220
  • God's Word, we have the
  • 00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:02.250
  • opportunity to prophesy
  • 00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:04.220
  • into people's lives,
  • 00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:05.260
  • and adding truth to the
  • 00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:07.270
  • everyday situations and bringing
  • 00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:09.150
  • hope to people, you know?
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  • And so I just think we have an
  • 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.220
  • amazing opportunity to be able
  • 00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:15.040
  • to speak life and point people
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  • with what we do always
  • 00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:18.100
  • to Jesus, who,
  • 00:25:18.100 --> 00:25:19.260
  • no matter what the situation,
  • 00:25:19.260 --> 00:25:21.060
  • he's always the answer.
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  • - Darren: Yeah, come on.
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  • Yeah, that's awesome.
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  • - announcer: Coming up next.
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  • - Chris: Going on that journey
  • 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.150
  • of self-discovery
  • 00:25:27.150 --> 00:25:28.250
  • as a communicator.
  • 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:30.070
  • The way I communicate today
  • 00:25:30.070 --> 00:25:31.260
  • is very different to the way
  • 00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:33.060
  • it was when I first started.
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  • And as long as you embrace
  • 00:25:35.010 --> 00:25:36.040
  • that journey, and you're always
  • 00:25:36.040 --> 00:25:38.000
  • trying to grow, you wanna be
  • 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.050
  • used by God to connect people
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  • to him.
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  • - announcer: That's next
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  • on the "Leadership Collective."
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  • - Darren: Well, let's see
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  • - Michelle: The question I have
  • 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.120
  • is, in a generation where
  • 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:53.090
  • there's so much change,
  • 00:25:53.090 --> 00:25:55.100
  • how do you communicate?
  • 00:25:55.100 --> 00:25:56.270
  • And do you change the way
  • 00:25:56.270 --> 00:25:58.100
  • - Darren: This one has just got
  • 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:02.100
  • your name written all over it,
  • 00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:03.170
  • Robert.
  • 00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:04.160
  • I mean, how long have you been
  • 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:05.150
  • a preacher for?
  • 00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:06.150
  • - Robert: I've been
  • 00:26:06.150 --> 00:26:07.070
  • a preacher for--
  • 00:26:07.070 --> 00:26:08.110
  • Well, I started preaching
  • 00:26:08.110 --> 00:26:09.130
  • just as soon as I became
  • 00:26:09.130 --> 00:26:10.090
  • a Christian.
  • 00:26:10.090 --> 00:26:11.090
  • I'm not saying the sermons
  • 00:26:11.090 --> 00:26:12.060
  • were very good,
  • 00:26:12.060 --> 00:26:13.030
  • but I did start preaching right
  • 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:14.150
  • at the beginning.
  • 00:26:14.150 --> 00:26:15.150
  • So I've been preaching
  • 00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:16.150
  • since 1974, so 42 years.
  • 00:26:17.030 --> 00:26:20.030
  • So lots of changes in that time.
  • 00:26:20.030 --> 00:26:22.130
  • - Darren: So, you know,
  • 00:26:22.130 --> 00:26:24.060
  • maybe take us back there.
  • 00:26:24.060 --> 00:26:25.060
  • What did it look like
  • 00:26:25.060 --> 00:26:26.020
  • as a church service,
  • 00:26:26.020 --> 00:26:27.140
  • or you communicating
  • 00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:28.140
  • in those days versus maybe
  • 00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:30.210
  • some of the more, you know,
  • 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:32.010
  • I guess, on the edge things
  • 00:26:32.010 --> 00:26:33.060
  • that you've done in these times?
  • 00:26:33.060 --> 00:26:34.220
  • - Robert: Well, I think
  • 00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:35.150
  • in light of the question, we
  • 00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:36.200
  • live in a very post-modern era
  • 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.260
  • with a whole distrust.
  • 00:26:38.260 --> 00:26:41.260
  • - Darren: What does that mean?
  • 00:26:41.260 --> 00:26:42.200
  • What does "post-modern" mean?
  • 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.200
  • Sorry, excuse my ignorance,
  • 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.170
  • but--
  • 00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:45.080
  • - Robert: Well, it means
  • 00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:46.200
  • "after modern."
  • 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.020
  • - Darren: Right.
  • 00:26:48.020 --> 00:26:48.280
  • [all laughing]
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  • - Darren: Okay, that makes
  • 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:50.120
  • sense.
  • 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:50.280
  • Perfect.
  • 00:26:50.280 --> 00:26:51.180
  • - Chris: Clarity.
  • 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:52.190
  • Clarity, yeah.
  • 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:53.190
  • Clear as mud.
  • 00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:54.210
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:56.030
  • - Robert: I thought I'd do
  • 00:26:56.030 --> 00:26:56.210
  • that.
  • 00:26:56.210 --> 00:26:57.120
  • Well, the way people describe
  • 00:26:57.120 --> 00:26:59.150
  • this generation is,
  • 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:00.260
  • one of the ways,
  • 00:27:00.260 --> 00:27:01.280
  • is that they find absolute truth
  • 00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:07.050
  • very difficult to deal with.
  • 00:27:07.050 --> 00:27:09.210
  • Truth is relative in their view.
  • 00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:12.070
  • So the idea of saying to them,
  • 00:27:12.070 --> 00:27:15.070
  • "Jesus is the way, the truth,
  • 00:27:15.070 --> 00:27:17.000
  • and the life.
  • 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:17.230
  • No one comes to the Father
  • 00:27:17.230 --> 00:27:18.290
  • except through me,"
  • 00:27:18.290 --> 00:27:20.210
  • to a post-modern generation
  • 00:27:20.210 --> 00:27:22.090
  • is almost offensive.
  • 00:27:22.090 --> 00:27:24.040
  • "How could you possibly be
  • 00:27:24.040 --> 00:27:25.090
  • as absolute as that?
  • 00:27:25.090 --> 00:27:26.280
  • Surely, there many ways to God."
  • 00:27:26.280 --> 00:27:29.150
  • So the difference between when
  • 00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:31.020
  • I started and now is that
  • 00:27:31.020 --> 00:27:32.070
  • if I said John 14:6:
  • 00:27:32.100 --> 00:27:35.100
  • "'I am the way, the truth,
  • 00:27:35.100 --> 00:27:36.070
  • and the life,'" in 1974,
  • 00:27:36.070 --> 00:27:38.240
  • in a modernist generation,
  • 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.140
  • it was like, "Sure."
  • 00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:42.010
  • They understood the authority
  • 00:27:42.010 --> 00:27:42.290
  • of the Scriptures.
  • 00:27:42.290 --> 00:27:44.000
  • They understood the relevance
  • 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.100
  • of the Scriptures.
  • 00:27:45.100 --> 00:27:46.100
  • They understood that God
  • 00:27:46.100 --> 00:27:49.040
  • was real.
  • 00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:50.210
  • Forty years later there is,
  • 00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:52.150
  • "Well, what God are you talking
  • 00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:54.190
  • about?
  • 00:27:54.190 --> 00:27:56.000
  • What's he like?
  • 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.240
  • Why are you quoting from
  • 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.240
  • the Scripture?
  • 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.020
  • And anyway, you can't make
  • 00:28:00.020 --> 00:28:01.040
  • absolute statements.
  • 00:28:01.040 --> 00:28:02.270
  • I'd rather--" So you say, "Well,
  • 00:28:02.270 --> 00:28:04.200
  • should we change our ideas?"
  • 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.150
  • Well, we should never change
  • 00:28:07.150 --> 00:28:08.290
  • the truths, but we should change
  • 00:28:09.030 --> 00:28:12.030
  • how we communicate the truth.
  • 00:28:12.030 --> 00:28:13.260
  • So as Paul said,
  • 00:28:13.260 --> 00:28:14.250
  • "To the Jew, I'm a Jew.
  • 00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:15.250
  • To the Gentile, I'm a Gentile."
  • 00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:17.030
  • So I would say
  • 00:28:17.030 --> 00:28:18.000
  • to the post-modern,
  • 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.020
  • you should be a post-modern.
  • 00:28:19.020 --> 00:28:20.080
  • One of the things they love
  • 00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:22.060
  • is storytelling,
  • 00:28:22.060 --> 00:28:23.030
  • and they love feelings.
  • 00:28:23.030 --> 00:28:25.030
  • So I'm gonna tell the truth, but
  • 00:28:25.030 --> 00:28:27.200
  • I'm gonna frame it in a story,
  • 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.160
  • and I'm gonna say, "I'm gonna
  • 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.270
  • talk about your emotions."
  • 00:28:32.270 --> 00:28:34.240
  • Because as soon as I do that, a
  • 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.270
  • post-modern generation will say,
  • 00:28:36.270 --> 00:28:38.040
  • "Oh, I'll listen to this."
  • 00:28:38.040 --> 00:28:39.240
  • But it's the same truth.
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  • - Darren: I remember the time
  • 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:41.220
  • when you baptized yourself
  • 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.110
  • in the middle of a sermon.
  • 00:28:43.110 --> 00:28:44.060
  • - Chris: Yes!
  • 00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:44.290
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:28:44.290 --> 00:28:46.090
  • - Robert: It is true.
  • 00:28:46.090 --> 00:28:46.260
  • What do you do?
  • 00:28:46.260 --> 00:28:47.170
  • - Darren: I mean--
  • 00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:48.250
  • - Chris: With the microphone
  • 00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:49.160
  • held up.
  • 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:50.050
  • - Darren: Yeah, that's right.
  • 00:28:50.050 --> 00:28:50.250
  • Now, is your hand okay?
  • 00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:51.260
  • I mean, you baptized everything
  • 00:28:51.260 --> 00:28:53.060
  • but your hand.
  • 00:28:53.060 --> 00:28:54.010
  • It's been okay?
  • 00:28:54.010 --> 00:28:56.080
  • - Robert: It's been my
  • 00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:56.280
  • Achilles' heel.
  • 00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:58.010
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:28:58.010 --> 00:28:58.260
  • - Darren: Your Achilles' hand.
  • 00:28:58.260 --> 00:29:00.050
  • - Robert: Yeah.
  • 00:29:00.050 --> 00:29:01.040
  • - Darren: How 'bout you, Cathy?
  • 00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:02.010
  • What do you think about that?
  • 00:29:02.010 --> 00:29:02.290
  • - Cathy: Well, I don't preach
  • 00:29:02.290 --> 00:29:05.170
  • because I don't like preaching.
  • 00:29:05.170 --> 00:29:06.220
  • [laughing]
  • 00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:08.130
  • - Darren: Right, okay.
  • 00:29:08.130 --> 00:29:09.140
  • - Robert: Well, that's okay.
  • 00:29:09.140 --> 00:29:10.120
  • - Cathy: And that's okay.
  • 00:29:10.120 --> 00:29:11.070
  • Yes, it took me a while to get
  • 00:29:11.070 --> 00:29:12.020
  • to that point, but that's okay.
  • 00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:13.000
  • - Darren: But communication's
  • 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.020
  • far more than preaching, right?
  • 00:29:14.020 --> 00:29:14.250
  • - Cathy: Yep.
  • 00:29:14.250 --> 00:29:15.270
  • And I would say, there are
  • 00:29:15.270 --> 00:29:17.220
  • some things about communication
  • 00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:19.070
  • that will never grow old.
  • 00:29:19.070 --> 00:29:20.160
  • And the storytelling,
  • 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:21.200
  • as Robert just said,
  • 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.020
  • will never grow old.
  • 00:29:23.020 --> 00:29:24.080
  • So, actually, I've just started
  • 00:29:24.080 --> 00:29:25.080
  • recently a radio program.
  • 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:27.120
  • And we're just simply telling
  • 00:29:27.120 --> 00:29:28.150
  • stories.
  • 00:29:28.150 --> 00:29:29.220
  • That's all we're doing, is
  • 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:30.180
  • telling stories, telling stories
  • 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:32.110
  • in the light of people
  • 00:29:32.110 --> 00:29:35.010
  • overcoming things,
  • 00:29:35.010 --> 00:29:36.120
  • and the Word of God,
  • 00:29:36.120 --> 00:29:37.100
  • and how they've got through
  • 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:38.140
  • things, and so on.
  • 00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:39.230
  • So, yeah, we're just telling
  • 00:29:39.230 --> 00:29:41.150
  • stories.
  • 00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:42.140
  • So those sort of things never
  • 00:29:42.140 --> 00:29:43.120
  • grow old.
  • 00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:44.060
  • You know, and there's all this,
  • 00:29:44.060 --> 00:29:45.210
  • the modern stuff.
  • 00:29:45.210 --> 00:29:47.250
  • And I tried to get on Snapchat,
  • 00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:50.040
  • and my daughter deleted me.
  • 00:29:50.040 --> 00:29:51.140
  • - Darren: Right, yeah,
  • 00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:53.020
  • or she unfriended you because
  • 00:29:53.020 --> 00:29:53.250
  • she didn't want you to see
  • 00:29:53.250 --> 00:29:55.010
  • what she's been posting.
  • 00:29:55.010 --> 00:29:55.190
  • And I mean,
  • 00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:56.150
  • that's understandable.
  • 00:29:56.150 --> 00:29:57.080
  • - Cathy: And it was almost
  • 00:29:57.080 --> 00:29:58.000
  • like, "It just doesn't connect
  • 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:58.280
  • that my mother would be
  • 00:29:58.280 --> 00:30:01.030
  • on Snapchat."
  • 00:30:01.030 --> 00:30:01.230
  • - Darren: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:30:01.230 --> 00:30:02.120
  • - Cathy: Whereas,
  • 00:30:02.120 --> 00:30:03.070
  • not that I'm--
  • 00:30:03.070 --> 00:30:03.290
  • - Darren: Is it your daughter
  • 00:30:03.290 --> 00:30:04.220
  • tryin' to put you in your place,
  • 00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:05.150
  • though?
  • 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:06.050
  • I mean, do we rise up
  • 00:30:06.050 --> 00:30:06.240
  • against that?
  • 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.190
  • - Cathy: She put in my place.
  • 00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:09.070
  • 'Cause I did have a conversation
  • 00:30:09.070 --> 00:30:11.000
  • via text after that, saying,
  • 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.220
  • "I can't find you on Snapchat."
  • 00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:14.070
  • She said, "Mum, get over
  • 00:30:14.070 --> 00:30:15.080
  • yourself."
  • 00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.040
  • [Darren laughing]
  • 00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:16.280
  • - Darren: "I've blocked you."
  • 00:30:16.280 --> 00:30:18.050
  • "How am I supposed to
  • 00:30:18.050 --> 00:30:19.180
  • communicate to you?
  • 00:30:19.180 --> 00:30:21.010
  • How do I know what's going on
  • 00:30:21.010 --> 00:30:21.220
  • in your world?
  • 00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:22.080
  • I'm not on Snapchat."
  • 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:23.130
  • I mean, Robert is all over
  • 00:30:23.130 --> 00:30:24.290
  • social media.
  • 00:30:24.290 --> 00:30:25.230
  • You love it, don't you?
  • 00:30:25.230 --> 00:30:26.140
  • - Robert: Of course, of course.
  • 00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:27.050
  • - Cathy: Yes.
  • 00:30:27.050 --> 00:30:27.270
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:30:27.270 --> 00:30:29.110
  • - Cathy: Yeah, so I think,
  • 00:30:29.110 --> 00:30:30.180
  • you know, that sometimes
  • 00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.080
  • there's places for things,
  • 00:30:31.080 --> 00:30:32.260
  • and there's places where
  • 00:30:32.260 --> 00:30:34.090
  • I've thought, "Okay, babe,
  • 00:30:34.090 --> 00:30:35.130
  • I'm gonna just leave you to it.
  • 00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:36.090
  • You can have your Snapchat,
  • 00:30:36.090 --> 00:30:37.090
  • and your whatever."
  • 00:30:37.090 --> 00:30:39.030
  • Because to be honest,
  • 00:30:39.030 --> 00:30:40.070
  • I haven't even used it since.
  • 00:30:40.070 --> 00:30:41.070
  • I probably used it for about
  • 00:30:41.070 --> 00:30:42.200
  • 6 hours 'cause some of the guys
  • 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.170
  • were saying,
  • 00:30:44.170 --> 00:30:45.050
  • "You need to get on Snapchat,
  • 00:30:45.050 --> 00:30:45.230
  • and this is how you do it."
  • 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:46.110
  • - Darren: This has been
  • 00:30:46.110 --> 00:30:47.020
  • a free advertising for Snapchat
  • 00:30:47.020 --> 00:30:48.150
  • on our Leadership Team.
  • 00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:49.130
  • - Cathy: Sorry.
  • 00:30:49.130 --> 00:30:49.290
  • - Darren: No, it's great.
  • 00:30:49.290 --> 00:30:50.150
  • It's great.
  • 00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:50.290
  • I mean, they're sponsoring
  • 00:30:50.290 --> 00:30:52.170
  • the program now,
  • 00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:53.110
  • and we're appreciative for it.
  • 00:30:53.110 --> 00:30:54.050
  • - Chris: We should Snapchat
  • 00:30:54.050 --> 00:30:54.240
  • this moment.
  • 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.100
  • - Darren: We should do
  • 00:30:55.100 --> 00:30:55.280
  • a Snapchat this moment.
  • 00:30:55.280 --> 00:30:56.280
  • - Cathy: Get your phone out
  • 00:30:56.280 --> 00:30:57.150
  • now.
  • 00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:58.010
  • - Darren: I'm sure quick draw
  • 00:30:58.010 --> 00:30:58.190
  • Snapchat over here wouldn't mind
  • 00:30:58.190 --> 00:30:59.120
  • doing that.
  • 00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:00.160
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.030
  • - Darren: What about you?
  • 00:31:02.030 --> 00:31:02.250
  • I mean, obviously, you know,
  • 00:31:02.250 --> 00:31:04.180
  • you've definitely been sitting
  • 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:07.150
  • under Robert, as far as learning
  • 00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:08.220
  • and understanding the art
  • 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:10.000
  • of communication.
  • 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:10.270
  • But you've got your own style
  • 00:31:10.270 --> 00:31:12.100
  • as well, and--
  • 00:31:12.100 --> 00:31:13.080
  • - Chris: Yeah, and I think
  • 00:31:13.080 --> 00:31:14.060
  • that that's the key,
  • 00:31:14.060 --> 00:31:15.110
  • discovering yourself
  • 00:31:15.110 --> 00:31:17.130
  • as a communicator.
  • 00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:19.140
  • I remember when I first started
  • 00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:20.180
  • preaching.
  • 00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:21.120
  • I've had the privilege of being
  • 00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:22.170
  • able to preach for over
  • 00:31:22.170 --> 00:31:24.020
  • 10 years now.
  • 00:31:24.020 --> 00:31:26.080
  • And going on the journey,
  • 00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:28.050
  • you know, you start off, you're
  • 00:31:28.050 --> 00:31:30.050
  • inspired by that preacher,
  • 00:31:30.050 --> 00:31:31.130
  • or by that communicator,
  • 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.170
  • and you try to copy
  • 00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:33.150
  • because you think that
  • 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:35.060
  • the anointing's in the form.
  • 00:31:35.060 --> 00:31:36.150
  • And then you realize,
  • 00:31:36.150 --> 00:31:38.030
  • "Whoa, whoa, that's got nothing
  • 00:31:38.030 --> 00:31:39.080
  • to do with anything."
  • 00:31:39.080 --> 00:31:40.160
  • And one of the greatest journeys
  • 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:41.210
  • I've gone on is just discovering
  • 00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:43.210
  • who I am as a communicator.
  • 00:31:43.210 --> 00:31:46.150
  • And something Pastor Brian
  • 00:31:46.150 --> 00:31:47.220
  • has always said to me was like,
  • 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.050
  • "Chris, be true to yourself."
  • 00:31:49.050 --> 00:31:51.120
  • And when you can discover
  • 00:31:51.120 --> 00:31:52.080
  • who you are, and that becomes
  • 00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:54.050
  • to shine through your style
  • 00:31:54.050 --> 00:31:55.230
  • of communicating, that's
  • 00:31:55.230 --> 00:31:57.180
  • what makes you vulnerable.
  • 00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:58.240
  • That's what makes you personal.
  • 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.230
  • That's what makes you unique,
  • 00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:02.180
  • because we're all unique.
  • 00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:03.200
  • I don't need to preach
  • 00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:04.190
  • like Robert does
  • 00:32:04.190 --> 00:32:05.250
  • or like Pastor Brain does
  • 00:32:05.250 --> 00:32:07.020
  • or like you do.
  • 00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:08.160
  • Because you're the only Darren.
  • 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.040
  • - Darren: Well, there's other
  • 00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:11.270
  • Darrens.
  • 00:32:11.270 --> 00:32:12.130
  • - Chris: There's other
  • 00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:12.280
  • Darrens--
  • 00:32:12.280 --> 00:32:13.130
  • - Darren: Actually,
  • 00:32:13.130 --> 00:32:14.010
  • there is another Darren Kitto.
  • 00:32:14.010 --> 00:32:14.260
  • I'm friends with him
  • 00:32:14.260 --> 00:32:15.160
  • on Facebook, yeah, yeah, so.
  • 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.250
  • - Chris: Oh, wow, wow, wow.
  • 00:32:16.250 --> 00:32:17.290
  • That's sad that
  • 00:32:17.290 --> 00:32:18.180
  • he's in your second place.
  • 00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:19.160
  • But anyway--
  • 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:20.080
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:32:20.080 --> 00:32:21.030
  • - Darren: That's right.
  • 00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:21.240
  • - Chris: But you know,
  • 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:22.130
  • that journey--
  • 00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:22.280
  • - Darren: We've been
  • 00:32:22.280 --> 00:32:23.130
  • communicating, though,
  • 00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:23.280
  • so it's good.
  • 00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:24.170
  • - Chris: Yeah, there you go.
  • 00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:25.050
  • There you go.
  • 00:32:25.050 --> 00:32:26.020
  • But it's going on that journey
  • 00:32:26.020 --> 00:32:28.010
  • of self-discovery as a
  • 00:32:28.010 --> 00:32:29.150
  • communicator.
  • 00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:31.040
  • And I love that the way
  • 00:32:31.040 --> 00:32:32.190
  • I communicate today is very
  • 00:32:32.190 --> 00:32:34.050
  • different to the way it was when
  • 00:32:34.050 --> 00:32:35.240
  • I first started.
  • 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.150
  • And as long as you embrace
  • 00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:38.150
  • that journey, and you're always
  • 00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:40.070
  • trying to grow and get better,
  • 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:43.140
  • not because you wanna impress
  • 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:44.290
  • people but because in a
  • 00:32:44.290 --> 00:32:46.060
  • powerful, more genuine,
  • 00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:48.120
  • and real way, you wanna be used
  • 00:32:48.120 --> 00:32:50.180
  • by God to connect people to him.
  • 00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:52.220
  • - Darren: Can you think of
  • 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:53.250
  • a piece of feedback that you got
  • 00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:56.090
  • from either Robert or just from
  • 00:32:56.090 --> 00:32:57.200
  • someone else that really just
  • 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.240
  • made you change something about
  • 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.180
  • the way that you communicated?
  • 00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:02.140
  • - Chris: Yeah, hundred percent.
  • 00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:03.180
  • Things like, Robert would tell
  • 00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.270
  • me, "You speak too fast."
  • 00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:07.050
  • So something so practical,
  • 00:33:07.050 --> 00:33:08.050
  • you know?
  • 00:33:08.050 --> 00:33:09.170
  • And when you get--I'm Latino.
  • 00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:11.030
  • I'm Latin, you know?
  • 00:33:11.030 --> 00:33:12.040
  • Latin blood.
  • 00:33:12.040 --> 00:33:13.020
  • - Darren: I didn't notice.
  • 00:33:13.020 --> 00:33:14.080
  • - Chris: Yeah, I know, I know.
  • 00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:14.270
  • I was born in Australia.
  • 00:33:14.270 --> 00:33:15.230
  • And I know I look Australian
  • 00:33:15.230 --> 00:33:16.200
  • 'cause of my blonde hair
  • 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:17.210
  • and blue eyes.
  • 00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:18.280
  • - Darren: Yes.
  • 00:33:18.280 --> 00:33:19.250
  • - Chris: But you know, you get
  • 00:33:19.250 --> 00:33:20.210
  • passionate, you know.
  • 00:33:20.210 --> 00:33:21.170
  • We're a passionate culture.
  • 00:33:21.170 --> 00:33:23.040
  • I'm a passionate person.
  • 00:33:23.040 --> 00:33:24.200
  • And sometimes in the passion, it
  • 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.200
  • would lead me to speak faster.
  • 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.010
  • And although I was passionate,
  • 00:33:29.010 --> 00:33:30.170
  • I wasn't clear.
  • 00:33:30.170 --> 00:33:32.130
  • And so learning how to not allow
  • 00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.280
  • that passion to override your
  • 00:33:34.280 --> 00:33:36.210
  • communication so that people
  • 00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:38.280
  • could catch what it was you were
  • 00:33:38.280 --> 00:33:40.130
  • trying to passionately
  • 00:33:40.130 --> 00:33:41.150
  • communicate.
  • 00:33:41.150 --> 00:33:43.050
  • And things like that, which
  • 00:33:43.050 --> 00:33:45.040
  • helped me grow.
  • 00:33:45.040 --> 00:33:46.180
  • And not going on tangents,
  • 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:47.220
  • because it's not about taking
  • 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:50.050
  • people on many different
  • 00:33:50.050 --> 00:33:51.110
  • thoughts.
  • 00:33:51.110 --> 00:33:52.060
  • It's about taking them on a
  • 00:33:52.060 --> 00:33:53.220
  • journey, and landing where you
  • 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:55.080
  • started so a message has a
  • 00:33:55.080 --> 00:33:57.020
  • closure, so that people can walk
  • 00:33:57.020 --> 00:33:58.260
  • away thinking, you know,
  • 00:33:58.260 --> 00:34:00.120
  • "This was the one point I walked
  • 00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:01.190
  • away with today."
  • 00:34:01.190 --> 00:34:03.070
  • And where the Spirit of God can
  • 00:34:03.070 --> 00:34:04.130
  • breathe on that and so that they
  • 00:34:04.130 --> 00:34:05.280
  • can bring application.
  • 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:07.230
  • Because it's in the application
  • 00:34:07.230 --> 00:34:09.010
  • that transformation comes.
  • 00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:10.270
  • So little things like that that
  • 00:34:10.270 --> 00:34:12.040
  • I learnt along the way which
  • 00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:13.060
  • have helped me grow.
  • 00:34:13.060 --> 00:34:14.170
  • And I hope it's still helping me
  • 00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:15.290
  • grow as we move forward.
  • 00:34:15.290 --> 00:34:18.010
  • - Darren: I love it.
  • 00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:19.050
  • Very helpful.
  • 00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:20.020
  • I'm all ears and learning.
  • 00:34:20.020 --> 00:34:21.030
  • - announcer: Join us
  • 00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:22.100
  • after the break.
  • 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:23.080
  • - Robert: I always remind
  • 00:34:23.080 --> 00:34:24.050
  • myself of my calling.
  • 00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:25.210
  • I don't think anybody who's been
  • 00:34:25.210 --> 00:34:26.280
  • under the pressures of ministry
  • 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.160
  • and some of the scrutiny
  • 00:34:28.160 --> 00:34:30.160
  • of ministry has never had
  • 00:34:30.160 --> 00:34:31.230
  • a challenge or a problem.
  • 00:34:31.230 --> 00:34:33.230
  • - Chris: "Should we go back?
  • 00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:35.020
  • Should we give up on this dream
  • 00:34:35.020 --> 00:34:36.130
  • for the sake of our kids?"
  • 00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:37.270
  • But you learn to draw from new
  • 00:34:37.270 --> 00:34:40.080
  • levels of the grace of God
  • 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:41.140
  • like never before.
  • 00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:43.190
  • - announcer: Don't go anywhere.
  • 00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:44.200
  • It's all here
  • 00:34:44.200 --> 00:34:45.210
  • - Jeremy: Have there been any
  • 00:34:52.230 --> 00:34:53.220
  • moments in your journey where
  • 00:34:53.220 --> 00:34:55.110
  • you had to encourage yourself
  • 00:34:55.110 --> 00:34:56.220
  • to keep going forward?
  • 00:34:56.220 --> 00:34:59.040
  • And how do you then keep,
  • 00:34:59.040 --> 00:35:02.050
  • you know, your sense of godly
  • 00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:03.220
  • - Darren: Well, funnily enough,
  • 00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:08.120
  • I had a bit of a sneak preview
  • 00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:09.160
  • to these questions.
  • 00:35:09.160 --> 00:35:10.290
  • And I was thinking about you,
  • 00:35:10.290 --> 00:35:12.080
  • Cathy.
  • 00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:13.230
  • Has there ever been a time where
  • 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:15.040
  • you had to really encourage
  • 00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:16.100
  • yourself to keep going?
  • 00:35:16.100 --> 00:35:17.090
  • Like, for example,
  • 00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:18.260
  • maybe Colour Conference
  • 00:35:18.260 --> 00:35:21.000
  • in London this year when you
  • 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.130
  • were emceeing.
  • 00:35:22.130 --> 00:35:24.010
  • And apparently, apparently, I've
  • 00:35:24.010 --> 00:35:26.190
  • tried to get the video footage,
  • 00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:27.250
  • but apparently--
  • 00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:28.260
  • - Cathy: I have it.
  • 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:29.130
  • - Darren: You disappeared.
  • 00:35:29.130 --> 00:35:30.030
  • - Cathy: I can give it to you.
  • 00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:30.220
  • - Darren: Can you give it to
  • 00:35:30.220 --> 00:35:31.100
  • me?
  • 00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:31.200
  • [laughing]
  • 00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:32.110
  • Everyone's trying to protect
  • 00:35:32.110 --> 00:35:33.060
  • you.
  • 00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:33.250
  • Can you tell us that story?
  • 00:35:33.250 --> 00:35:35.090
  • I mean, what it's--
  • 00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:36.080
  • - Cathy: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:35:36.080 --> 00:35:38.040
  • I mean, surely, everyone's,
  • 00:35:38.040 --> 00:35:39.150
  • or will do, if they haven't
  • 00:35:39.150 --> 00:35:41.190
  • already, fall off the stage
  • 00:35:41.190 --> 00:35:43.070
  • [laughing]
  • 00:35:43.070 --> 00:35:44.140
  • while they're speaking,
  • 00:35:44.140 --> 00:35:45.210
  • or emceeing, or whatever.
  • 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.210
  • Yes, yes, and I do have
  • 00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:49.180
  • the footage.
  • 00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:50.180
  • I actually have it, so I can,
  • 00:35:50.180 --> 00:35:51.240
  • and I'm more than happy
  • 00:35:51.240 --> 00:35:52.170
  • to give it to you.
  • 00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:53.050
  • - Darren: We need to maybe
  • 00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:53.240
  • put it on the Hillsong Channel
  • 00:35:53.240 --> 00:35:54.150
  • website and let the people
  • 00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:55.110
  • at home view it as well.
  • 00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:56.150
  • - Chris: Colour Conference
  • 00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:57.030
  • Bloopers.
  • 00:35:57.030 --> 00:35:57.200
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:35:57.200 --> 00:35:58.240
  • - Cathy: Totally.
  • 00:35:58.240 --> 00:35:59.170
  • I'm very happy.
  • 00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:00.090
  • In fact, I haven't seen
  • 00:36:00.090 --> 00:36:01.280
  • my husband laugh so much.
  • 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.170
  • - Darren: Oh, wow.
  • 00:36:03.170 --> 00:36:06.100
  • - Cathy: He sat and watched
  • 00:36:06.100 --> 00:36:07.070
  • 'cause he wasn't in the room
  • 00:36:07.070 --> 00:36:08.040
  • when I fell off the stage.
  • 00:36:08.040 --> 00:36:09.240
  • So I showed him the footage, and
  • 00:36:09.240 --> 00:36:12.010
  • he just laughed, and laughed.
  • 00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:13.090
  • Like, there were wet tears,
  • 00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:14.200
  • laughing, laughing, laughing.
  • 00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:15.280
  • - Darren: Yeah,
  • 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:16.270
  • how do you fall?
  • 00:36:16.270 --> 00:36:17.230
  • Like, what happened?
  • 00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:18.200
  • You just disappeared,
  • 00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:19.130
  • apparently.
  • 00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:20.120
  • - Cathy: Yeah, I did.
  • 00:36:20.120 --> 00:36:21.100
  • Well, it was just the design
  • 00:36:21.100 --> 00:36:22.120
  • of the stage, and it was kind of
  • 00:36:22.120 --> 00:36:23.050
  • white, and then black,
  • 00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:24.080
  • and then white, and then black.
  • 00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:25.200
  • But the next black bit
  • 00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:26.170
  • was actually a hole.
  • 00:36:26.170 --> 00:36:29.130
  • - Darren: I'm sorry.
  • 00:36:29.130 --> 00:36:30.010
  • - Cathy: And there I was.
  • 00:36:30.010 --> 00:36:31.000
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.130
  • - Cathy: And I've gotta tell
  • 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:33.010
  • you the whole story just so you
  • 00:36:33.010 --> 00:36:33.280
  • understand.
  • 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.250
  • But we were at that point
  • 00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:36.140
  • in time.
  • 00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:37.080
  • I was just talking about our
  • 00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:38.010
  • groups, "And we have groups,
  • 00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:39.060
  • and we have group leaders,
  • 00:36:39.060 --> 00:36:40.130
  • and we wanna congratulate
  • 00:36:40.130 --> 00:36:41.120
  • the group leaders for organizing
  • 00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:42.180
  • their groups and coming to
  • 00:36:42.180 --> 00:36:43.150
  • conference.
  • 00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:44.240
  • So why don't you stand up,
  • 00:36:44.240 --> 00:36:46.030
  • because we'd love to give you
  • 00:36:46.030 --> 00:36:47.010
  • a little gift."
  • 00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:47.280
  • And so, you know,
  • 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.230
  • you're on the stage.
  • 00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:49.230
  • Lights are in your eyes.
  • 00:36:49.230 --> 00:36:51.000
  • And I'm tryin' to kinda, "I'm
  • 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.240
  • sure, I know you're out there.
  • 00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:52.260
  • There's 91 of you out there."
  • 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:55.160
  • So I'm kinda, really,
  • 00:36:55.160 --> 00:36:56.250
  • "You're out there,
  • 00:36:56.250 --> 00:36:57.230
  • and we've got a gift for you."
  • 00:36:57.230 --> 00:36:58.270
  • Phoom!
  • 00:36:58.270 --> 00:37:00.030
  • I just fell.
  • 00:37:00.030 --> 00:37:01.070
  • [laughing]
  • 00:37:01.070 --> 00:37:02.100
  • I just disappeared.
  • 00:37:02.100 --> 00:37:04.070
  • So I just fell.
  • 00:37:04.070 --> 00:37:04.280
  • I just took that--
  • 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.140
  • - Robert: Did you hurt
  • 00:37:05.140 --> 00:37:05.290
  • yourself?
  • 00:37:05.290 --> 00:37:06.150
  • We should ask.
  • 00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:07.030
  • - Cathy: I just took that step
  • 00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:07.220
  • too far.
  • 00:37:07.220 --> 00:37:08.100
  • - Chris: Yeah, we should ask.
  • 00:37:08.100 --> 00:37:08.280
  • - Robert: We should ask.
  • 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.140
  • - Darren: She's okay,
  • 00:37:09.140 --> 00:37:09.290
  • she's okay.
  • 00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:10.140
  • - Robert: Did you hurt
  • 00:37:10.140 --> 00:37:11.020
  • yourself?
  • 00:37:11.020 --> 00:37:11.180
  • - Cathy: Yeah, yeah, well, just
  • 00:37:11.180 --> 00:37:12.100
  • bruises, and bumps and bruises.
  • 00:37:12.100 --> 00:37:14.030
  • - Chris: I would make that
  • 00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:14.260
  • story so spiritual.
  • 00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:16.160
  • Like, the anointing was
  • 00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:17.110
  • so strong on the stage.
  • 00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:19.100
  • The Holy Spirit--
  • 00:37:19.100 --> 00:37:20.040
  • - Darren: The stage just opened
  • 00:37:20.040 --> 00:37:20.230
  • up.
  • 00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:21.090
  • - Cathy: Okay.
  • 00:37:21.090 --> 00:37:21.260
  • - Chris: And you just went
  • 00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:22.130
  • flying.
  • 00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:23.160
  • - Darren: And then my favorite
  • 00:37:23.160 --> 00:37:24.050
  • part about the story is,
  • 00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:24.220
  • apparently, you actually needed
  • 00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:25.200
  • somebody to come and help you
  • 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:26.250
  • get out of the stage, true?
  • 00:37:26.250 --> 00:37:28.190
  • - Cathy: Yes, 'cause the stage
  • 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:29.120
  • was quite high.
  • 00:37:29.120 --> 00:37:30.050
  • I couldn't reach the ground.
  • 00:37:30.050 --> 00:37:31.230
  • - Darren: People weren't
  • 00:37:31.230 --> 00:37:32.160
  • laughing.
  • 00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:33.050
  • It was not a funny moment.
  • 00:37:33.050 --> 00:37:33.250
  • - Cathy: No.
  • 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:34.200
  • - Darren: But then you got
  • 00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:35.080
  • helped out of the cavity.
  • 00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:38.050
  • And then you got up, and what
  • 00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:39.090
  • did you do when you got up?
  • 00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:40.130
  • - Cathy: Yeah, well,
  • 00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:41.100
  • what do you when you fall over?
  • 00:37:41.100 --> 00:37:42.260
  • What do you do?
  • 00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:44.140
  • - Darren: Usually, I cry.
  • 00:37:44.140 --> 00:37:45.200
  • I get my wife to bring the
  • 00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:46.270
  • Betadine, and you know?
  • 00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:48.070
  • - Cathy: Well, you know what?
  • 00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:49.090
  • I have sat beside a football
  • 00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:50.110
  • pitch and watched my son play
  • 00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:51.160
  • way too many football games,
  • 00:37:51.160 --> 00:37:53.000
  • and he's, and they fall over.
  • 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:54.080
  • I'm like, "Get up.
  • 00:37:54.080 --> 00:37:55.220
  • Get up.
  • 00:37:55.220 --> 00:37:56.120
  • The game needs you.
  • 00:37:56.120 --> 00:37:57.260
  • The team needs you.
  • 00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.270
  • Keep playing!"
  • 00:37:58.270 --> 00:38:00.210
  • So I, yeah, sorry,
  • 00:38:00.210 --> 00:38:02.000
  • I was just like, "Get up.
  • 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.070
  • Get up.
  • 00:38:03.070 --> 00:38:04.040
  • Get up.
  • 00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:05.060
  • Get up, Cathy.
  • 00:38:05.060 --> 00:38:05.270
  • Keep going."
  • 00:38:05.270 --> 00:38:07.100
  • - Darren: And you did.
  • 00:38:07.100 --> 00:38:08.110
  • And that's when the crowd
  • 00:38:08.110 --> 00:38:09.210
  • was afforded the opportunity to
  • 00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:11.100
  • be able to have a little laugh
  • 00:38:11.100 --> 00:38:12.220
  • at the situation, true?
  • 00:38:12.220 --> 00:38:13.230
  • - Cathy: Yes.
  • 00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:14.250
  • - Darren: Amazing.
  • 00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:15.230
  • - Cathy: Yes, yes, yes, yes,
  • 00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:17.040
  • so there we go.
  • 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:18.020
  • And I will pass you
  • 00:38:18.020 --> 00:38:18.240
  • on that footage.
  • 00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:19.210
  • - Darren: Yes, oh,
  • 00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:20.200
  • I'm looking forward to it.
  • 00:38:20.200 --> 00:38:21.230
  • This has been a great day.
  • 00:38:21.230 --> 00:38:22.210
  • This had been a great day.
  • 00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:23.230
  • My mission in life
  • 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:25.010
  • is now accomplished.
  • 00:38:25.010 --> 00:38:26.200
  • What about you, Robert?
  • 00:38:26.200 --> 00:38:28.040
  • I mean, maybe not a funny story.
  • 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:30.110
  • But just, has there been times
  • 00:38:30.110 --> 00:38:31.100
  • where you've felt like--
  • 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:33.220
  • - Robert: To be honest--
  • 00:38:33.220 --> 00:38:34.210
  • - Darren: Clocking off?
  • 00:38:34.210 --> 00:38:35.190
  • - Darren: I think it happens
  • 00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:36.170
  • regularly, not necessarily every
  • 00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:39.170
  • day, but certainly most years
  • 00:38:41.110 --> 00:38:44.110
  • I've felt like giving up.
  • 00:38:44.110 --> 00:38:46.170
  • And the one thing that I,
  • 00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:50.140
  • well, there's a couple of things
  • 00:38:50.140 --> 00:38:51.150
  • that I do.
  • 00:38:51.150 --> 00:38:52.090
  • Number one, I always remind
  • 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:53.180
  • myself of my calling.
  • 00:38:53.180 --> 00:38:55.030
  • I don't think anybody
  • 00:38:55.030 --> 00:38:56.080
  • who's been under
  • 00:38:56.080 --> 00:38:57.070
  • the pressures of ministry
  • 00:38:57.070 --> 00:38:58.100
  • and some of the scrutiny
  • 00:38:58.100 --> 00:39:00.020
  • of ministry has never had
  • 00:39:00.020 --> 00:39:02.140
  • a challenge or a problem,
  • 00:39:02.140 --> 00:39:03.160
  • and felt like,
  • 00:39:03.160 --> 00:39:04.130
  • "I'm just not able to do this."
  • 00:39:04.130 --> 00:39:06.010
  • But I've reminded myself
  • 00:39:06.010 --> 00:39:07.000
  • of my calling.
  • 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:07.270
  • "What did God say
  • 00:39:07.270 --> 00:39:08.250
  • at the beginning?"
  • 00:39:08.250 --> 00:39:10.040
  • And I've also surrounded myself
  • 00:39:10.040 --> 00:39:11.200
  • with friends who believe in me,
  • 00:39:11.200 --> 00:39:14.160
  • friends who I can be real
  • 00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:16.170
  • and honest and raw with,
  • 00:39:16.180 --> 00:39:19.180
  • and I've got a couple
  • 00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:20.250
  • of those friends.
  • 00:39:20.250 --> 00:39:21.270
  • And I walk into their office,
  • 00:39:21.270 --> 00:39:23.010
  • and I say, basically, you know,
  • 00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:25.150
  • "I wanna resign today."
  • 00:39:25.150 --> 00:39:27.040
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:39:27.040 --> 00:39:28.240
  • - Robert: And we talk about it,
  • 00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:30.040
  • and we laugh,
  • 00:39:30.040 --> 00:39:31.030
  • and 5 minutes later I'm fine.
  • 00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:32.190
  • So you need those, you need
  • 00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:34.110
  • some really good friends.
  • 00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:36.130
  • But with God, it's all about,
  • 00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:37.230
  • "What did I ask you to do
  • 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.100
  • in the first place?"
  • 00:39:39.100 --> 00:39:40.150
  • - Chris: So good.
  • 00:39:40.150 --> 00:39:41.150
  • - Robert: That's where I go
  • 00:39:41.150 --> 00:39:42.080
  • back to.
  • 00:39:42.080 --> 00:39:43.040
  • - Darren: Firm reminder.
  • 00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:45.020
  • How 'bout you, Chris?
  • 00:39:45.020 --> 00:39:45.290
  • I mean, obviously, you've been
  • 00:39:45.290 --> 00:39:47.000
  • afforded the opportunity
  • 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.000
  • to plant Hillsong South America,
  • 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.250
  • and you know, working on
  • 00:39:49.250 --> 00:39:50.250
  • the second location, and--
  • 00:39:50.250 --> 00:39:51.290
  • - Chris: Yep.
  • 00:39:51.290 --> 00:39:53.000
  • - Darren: But I know your
  • 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000
  • journey was a small
  • 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.100
  • Spanish-speaking extension
  • 00:39:56.100 --> 00:39:57.190
  • service in the Western suburbs
  • 00:39:57.190 --> 00:39:59.290
  • of Sydney, which, I guess,
  • 00:39:59.290 --> 00:40:01.250
  • was far from, you know,
  • 00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:03.160
  • what was in your heart,
  • 00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:04.130
  • but it was definitely what was
  • 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:05.100
  • in your hand.
  • 00:40:05.100 --> 00:40:06.030
  • How did you negotiate
  • 00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:06.290
  • that period?
  • 00:40:06.290 --> 00:40:07.250
  • - Chris: Yeah, just going back
  • 00:40:07.250 --> 00:40:09.020
  • to what Robert said,
  • 00:40:09.020 --> 00:40:10.220
  • knowing what God has spoken
  • 00:40:10.220 --> 00:40:11.140
  • to you, knowing what he's called
  • 00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:12.280
  • you to, and man, I think you
  • 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.000
  • wanna give up all the time.
  • 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.060
  • And that's where you just rely
  • 00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:19.140
  • on the grace of God.
  • 00:40:19.140 --> 00:40:20.120
  • Even moving to Argentina, the
  • 00:40:20.120 --> 00:40:22.230
  • first 3 months our kids cried
  • 00:40:22.230 --> 00:40:24.200
  • every night as we had our
  • 00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:27.030
  • bedtime prayers.
  • 00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:27.250
  • - Darren: Did you think about
  • 00:40:27.250 --> 00:40:28.130
  • stop smacking them, or--
  • 00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:29.040
  • [all laughing]
  • 00:40:29.040 --> 00:40:30.000
  • - Darren: No, we don't endorse
  • 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.290
  • smacking here.
  • 00:40:30.290 --> 00:40:31.210
  • We don't endorse smacking.
  • 00:40:31.210 --> 00:40:33.090
  • - Chris: As we prayed
  • 00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:34.010
  • our bedtime prayers, they would
  • 00:40:34.010 --> 00:40:36.040
  • finish their prayer with saying,
  • 00:40:36.040 --> 00:40:37.210
  • "God, I wanna go back to
  • 00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:38.190
  • Australia," and start weeping.
  • 00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:41.130
  • And as parents,
  • 00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:42.170
  • 2, 3 weeks of that,
  • 00:40:42.170 --> 00:40:43.160
  • okay, but when it's 10 weeks,
  • 00:40:43.160 --> 00:40:44.280
  • 11 weeks, nightly,
  • 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.010
  • what do you do?
  • 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:48.000
  • We would walk out in tears
  • 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.140
  • with my wife, and we'd say,
  • 00:40:49.140 --> 00:40:51.160
  • "Have we made the wrong
  • 00:40:51.160 --> 00:40:52.160
  • decision?
  • 00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:53.130
  • Should we go back?
  • 00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:54.050
  • Should we give up on this dream
  • 00:40:54.050 --> 00:40:55.070
  • for the sake of our kids?"
  • 00:40:55.070 --> 00:40:56.280
  • But you learn to draw from new
  • 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.180
  • levels of the grace of God like
  • 00:40:59.180 --> 00:41:01.270
  • never before, and that empowers
  • 00:41:01.270 --> 00:41:03.150
  • you to keep going.
  • 00:41:03.150 --> 00:41:04.190
  • - Robert: And now they're?
  • 00:41:04.190 --> 00:41:06.290
  • - Chris: Oh, they love it.
  • 00:41:06.290 --> 00:41:07.250
  • They love it.
  • 00:41:07.250 --> 00:41:08.250
  • They come to the, they're this
  • 00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.070
  • week sayin', "I can't wait to
  • 00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:11.070
  • get home," which is awesome.
  • 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:13.000
  • And that's the beauty
  • 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:13.230
  • of God's grace.
  • 00:41:13.230 --> 00:41:14.190
  • - Robert: Yep, yep.
  • 00:41:14.190 --> 00:41:15.250
  • - Darren: Hey, thanks so much,
  • 00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:16.170
  • guys.
  • 00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:17.130
  • I know, you know, we've been
  • 00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:18.100
  • talkin' about a whole lot
  • 00:41:18.100 --> 00:41:19.030
  • of questions.
  • 00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:19.290
  • But on a personal note,
  • 00:41:19.290 --> 00:41:20.200
  • thank you.
  • 00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:21.150
  • Thank you so much for everything
  • 00:41:21.150 --> 00:41:22.120
  • that you've invested into our
  • 00:41:22.120 --> 00:41:23.140
  • church, and what it's meant
  • 00:41:23.140 --> 00:41:24.270
  • for me and my family.
  • 00:41:24.270 --> 00:41:26.020
  • And we love you guys.
  • 00:41:26.020 --> 00:41:27.020
  • And thanks so much for
  • 00:41:27.020 --> 00:41:28.010
  • bein' a part of the
  • 00:41:28.010 --> 00:41:28.240
  • "Leadership Collective" today.
  • 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:30.000
  • - Chris: Thank you.
  • 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.150
  • - Cathy: Thank you.
  • 00:41:30.150 --> 00:41:31.010
  • - Robert: Thanks.
  • 00:41:31.010 --> 00:41:31.180
  • - Darren: And after the break
  • 00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:32.090
  • we're gonna be hearing from
  • 00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:33.090
  • Christine Caine,
  • 00:41:33.090 --> 00:41:34.060
  • who will be joining us here
  • 00:41:34.060 --> 00:41:35.120
  • on the "Leadership Collective."
  • 00:41:35.120 --> 00:41:37.000
  • - announcer: Stay with us.
  • 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:37.220
  • After the break.
  • 00:41:37.220 --> 00:41:38.240
  • - Christine Caine: We are
  • 00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:39.140
  • actually taught to be risk
  • 00:41:39.140 --> 00:41:41.050
  • averse.
  • 00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:41.270
  • We're taught to not step out,
  • 00:41:41.270 --> 00:41:43.120
  • but look for what's safe,
  • 00:41:43.120 --> 00:41:44.210
  • what's comfortable.
  • 00:41:44.210 --> 00:41:45.200
  • And yet, everything about the
  • 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:46.250
  • gospel, you know, the Lord says,
  • 00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:48.170
  • "Without faith, it's impossible
  • 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:49.190
  • to please God."
  • 00:41:49.190 --> 00:41:50.290
  • I think, in all of my leadership
  • 00:41:50.290 --> 00:41:52.010
  • journey, he who promised is
  • 00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:53.110
  • faithful.
  • 00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:54.080
  • And if he calls you,
  • 00:41:54.080 --> 00:41:55.040
  • he'll equip you.
  • 00:41:55.040 --> 00:41:56.020
  • You've gotta step out to find
  • 00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:57.100
  • out, and you've gotta do it
  • 00:41:57.100 --> 00:41:58.110
  • afraid.
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  • - announcer: Don't go anywhere.
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  • It's all here on
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  • k
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  • to the "Leadership Collective."
  • 00:42:04.140 --> 00:42:05.130
  • Here we are
  • 00:42:05.130 --> 00:42:06.140
  • with Christine Caine.
  • 00:42:06.140 --> 00:42:07.220
  • - Christine: Hey, Darren,
  • 00:42:07.220 --> 00:42:08.130
  • it's so cool to be here.
  • 00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:09.050
  • - Darren: Join us.
  • 00:42:09.050 --> 00:42:09.270
  • We've cleared the others out,
  • 00:42:09.270 --> 00:42:10.150
  • and you're in.
  • 00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:11.060
  • - Christine: I'm telling you,
  • 00:42:11.060 --> 00:42:11.270
  • you've saved the best til last.
  • 00:42:11.270 --> 00:42:12.270
  • - Darren: Exactly.
  • 00:42:12.270 --> 00:42:13.270
  • [Christine laughing]
  • 00:42:13.270 --> 00:42:14.170
  • - Darren: Exactly.
  • 00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:15.040
  • That's always the way it is.
  • 00:42:15.040 --> 00:42:16.010
  • - Christine: It is,
  • 00:42:16.010 --> 00:42:16.170
  • with the Lord.
  • 00:42:16.170 --> 00:42:17.080
  • [Darren laughing]
  • 00:42:17.080 --> 00:42:18.130
  • - Darren: So I wanted to focus
  • 00:42:18.130 --> 00:42:19.210
  • a little bit on you,
  • 00:42:19.210 --> 00:42:20.160
  • talking about stepping out
  • 00:42:20.160 --> 00:42:21.280
  • of your comfort zone.
  • 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.000
  • I know for you it's been a huge
  • 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.210
  • journey, especially the last
  • 00:42:24.210 --> 00:42:25.290
  • 10 years.
  • 00:42:25.290 --> 00:42:26.220
  • But I mean, obviously,
  • 00:42:26.220 --> 00:42:27.190
  • even before that.
  • 00:42:27.190 --> 00:42:28.190
  • - Christine: Well, totally.
  • 00:42:28.190 --> 00:42:29.170
  • You know, I think, I love
  • 00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:30.230
  • that whole question because
  • 00:42:30.230 --> 00:42:31.230
  • I think it's a constant, ongoing
  • 00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:33.060
  • stepping, I think, at any point.
  • 00:42:33.060 --> 00:42:35.010
  • When I first came to church,
  • 00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:36.170
  • I'm thinking, like, now,
  • 00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:37.150
  • that was 28 years ago
  • 00:42:37.150 --> 00:42:39.010
  • in Sydney, Australia,
  • 00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:41.040
  • well, that was way out of my
  • 00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:42.030
  • comfort zone because
  • 00:42:42.030 --> 00:42:42.270
  • I hadn't really been to
  • 00:42:42.270 --> 00:42:43.250
  • a Protestant church,
  • 00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:45.220
  • let alone a life-giving one.
  • 00:42:45.220 --> 00:42:48.030
  • You know, I came from
  • 00:42:48.030 --> 00:42:48.280
  • a very strict Greek Orthodox
  • 00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.170
  • background.
  • 00:42:50.170 --> 00:42:51.110
  • I remember, in fact,
  • 00:42:51.110 --> 00:42:52.080
  • when my mum, only once,
  • 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:53.140
  • in all these years,
  • 00:42:53.140 --> 00:42:54.110
  • has come to a church service.
  • 00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:55.130
  • I was speaking at
  • 00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:56.040
  • a Colour Conference.
  • 00:42:56.040 --> 00:42:56.290
  • And she comes in,
  • 00:42:56.290 --> 00:42:58.010
  • and in about 3 seconds,
  • 00:42:58.010 --> 00:42:58.270
  • she goes, "Christine, is this
  • 00:42:58.270 --> 00:43:00.240
  • a church or a discotheque?"
  • 00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:02.060
  • [laughing]
  • 00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:03.020
  • - Christine: And so I was
  • 00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:03.270
  • going, like--so it was just
  • 00:43:03.270 --> 00:43:05.070
  • so foreign to anything--
  • 00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:06.050
  • - Darren: What would she have
  • 00:43:06.050 --> 00:43:06.230
  • been more comfortable
  • 00:43:06.230 --> 00:43:07.080
  • with you being at,
  • 00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:08.040
  • the church or the discotheque?
  • 00:43:08.040 --> 00:43:09.100
  • - Christine: At that time,
  • 00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:10.000
  • the disco, mate.
  • 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:10.230
  • I'm telling you, she would've
  • 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:11.200
  • been, "What are you doing?"
  • 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:12.210
  • But so, you know, it was a step
  • 00:43:12.210 --> 00:43:15.000
  • out to actually, you know,
  • 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.120
  • I always say,
  • 00:43:16.120 --> 00:43:17.100
  • "The 15-minute drive from my
  • 00:43:17.100 --> 00:43:18.200
  • home in Blacktown to our church
  • 00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:19.260
  • in Castle Hill was a major step
  • 00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:22.120
  • out for me."
  • 00:43:22.120 --> 00:43:23.160
  • Because if I didn't take that
  • 00:43:23.160 --> 00:43:24.200
  • 15-minute drive, where I had
  • 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:25.270
  • to step out, away from culture,
  • 00:43:25.270 --> 00:43:27.110
  • away from tradition,
  • 00:43:27.110 --> 00:43:29.060
  • away from the approval
  • 00:43:29.060 --> 00:43:30.090
  • of my friends and family,
  • 00:43:30.090 --> 00:43:32.100
  • just all my networks at
  • 00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:33.070
  • that time, well, then I would
  • 00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:34.250
  • have been able to continue
  • 00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:36.120
  • to take other steps.
  • 00:43:36.120 --> 00:43:37.150
  • So my next step out was,
  • 00:43:37.150 --> 00:43:38.180
  • I remember one day
  • 00:43:38.180 --> 00:43:39.060
  • our youth pastor asked
  • 00:43:39.060 --> 00:43:40.090
  • if I would, if--she asked
  • 00:43:40.090 --> 00:43:41.290
  • the whole youth group,
  • 00:43:41.290 --> 00:43:43.090
  • "Can you come and help?
  • 00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:44.230
  • We're gonna have a big cleanup
  • 00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:45.190
  • day on a Tuesday."
  • 00:43:45.190 --> 00:43:46.280
  • And so I came up
  • 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.220
  • and Max Selecost* there,
  • 00:43:48.220 --> 00:43:50.070
  • was the pastor at the time
  • 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:51.020
  • in our church, yeah.
  • 00:43:51.020 --> 00:43:51.230
  • - Darren: "Max the Priest*"
  • 00:43:51.230 --> 00:43:52.130
  • I used to call him.
  • 00:43:52.130 --> 00:43:53.000
  • - Christine: That's him.
  • 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:53.230
  • Well, he used to--
  • 00:43:53.230 --> 00:43:55.110
  • he was running this clean up.
  • 00:43:55.110 --> 00:43:56.220
  • And the fact was,
  • 00:43:56.220 --> 00:43:58.030
  • it was a Tuesday afternoon,
  • 00:43:58.030 --> 00:43:59.080
  • I was the only one that came.
  • 00:43:59.080 --> 00:44:00.180
  • I think you were part of
  • 00:44:00.180 --> 00:44:01.120
  • the same youth group.
  • 00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:02.050
  • You didn't turn up at the time.
  • 00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:03.060
  • I don't know.
  • 00:44:03.060 --> 00:44:04.000
  • - Darren: Yeah, I mean,
  • 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:04.170
  • I was busy that day.
  • 00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:05.140
  • I had a hair appointment, yeah.
  • 00:44:05.140 --> 00:44:06.230
  • - Christine: That was, yeah,
  • 00:44:06.230 --> 00:44:07.240
  • all that.
  • 00:44:07.240 --> 00:44:08.200
  • Well, I remember going,
  • 00:44:08.200 --> 00:44:09.270
  • and I just started to clean up.
  • 00:44:09.270 --> 00:44:11.090
  • And there was an associate
  • 00:44:11.090 --> 00:44:12.060
  • youth pastor at the time,
  • 00:44:12.060 --> 00:44:13.090
  • and he just said to me,
  • 00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:14.180
  • you know, "Hi, Christine."
  • 00:44:14.180 --> 00:44:15.150
  • His name was John.
  • 00:44:15.150 --> 00:44:16.110
  • "I'm going on a missions trip
  • 00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:17.210
  • with Pastor Brian for a few
  • 00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:18.290
  • weeks, and we just got funding
  • 00:44:18.290 --> 00:44:20.130
  • for a youth center.
  • 00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:21.250
  • I'd like you to come
  • 00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:23.180
  • and be part of it."
  • 00:44:23.180 --> 00:44:25.110
  • I didn't even know he knew me.
  • 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:26.080
  • And I said,
  • 00:44:26.080 --> 00:44:27.000
  • "What's a youth center?"
  • 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.210
  • He said, "I don't know,
  • 00:44:27.210 --> 00:44:28.140
  • but we just got this funding."
  • 00:44:28.140 --> 00:44:29.170
  • And with that,
  • 00:44:29.170 --> 00:44:30.180
  • he threw me a pager.
  • 00:44:30.180 --> 00:44:32.030
  • And I mean, people don't know
  • 00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:33.040
  • what they are today, but
  • 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:34.020
  • you know, it's the time of the
  • 00:44:34.020 --> 00:44:35.110
  • dinosaurs, this little pager.
  • 00:44:35.110 --> 00:44:37.010
  • And that was
  • 00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:38.000
  • the beginning of the
  • 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.130
  • Hills District Youth Service,
  • 00:44:39.130 --> 00:44:40.270
  • and what now is
  • 00:44:40.270 --> 00:44:42.020
  • Hillsong Youth Services.
  • 00:44:42.020 --> 00:44:43.010
  • I remember then the stepping out
  • 00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:45.030
  • was going to clean up
  • 00:44:45.030 --> 00:44:47.100
  • when nobody else did.
  • 00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:48.090
  • I always say this.
  • 00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:49.050
  • God runs out of options.
  • 00:44:49.050 --> 00:44:50.070
  • If you step out, it's highly
  • 00:44:50.070 --> 00:44:51.160
  • likely hardly anybody else
  • 00:44:51.160 --> 00:44:53.020
  • is gonna be stepping out,
  • 00:44:53.020 --> 00:44:54.120
  • so God's gonna go,
  • 00:44:54.120 --> 00:44:55.130
  • "Tag, you're it,"
  • 00:44:55.130 --> 00:44:56.150
  • because that's it.
  • 00:44:56.150 --> 00:44:57.030
  • So that was, kind of, really,
  • 00:44:57.030 --> 00:44:58.080
  • the big first step that I had
  • 00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:00.110
  • in ministry.
  • 00:45:00.110 --> 00:45:01.160
  • And again, I just said, "Yes."
  • 00:45:01.160 --> 00:45:02.210
  • I knew nothing about
  • 00:45:02.210 --> 00:45:03.190
  • a youth center.
  • 00:45:03.190 --> 00:45:04.240
  • I knew nothing, even,
  • 00:45:04.240 --> 00:45:05.220
  • about youth ministry.
  • 00:45:05.220 --> 00:45:07.010
  • But there was a need,
  • 00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:08.010
  • and so I started turning up.
  • 00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:09.130
  • And I remember, out of all of
  • 00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:10.240
  • that, that I began to be invited
  • 00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:14.160
  • to just share my story,
  • 00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:15.240
  • you know?
  • 00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:16.190
  • I had a rough background, so--
  • 00:45:16.190 --> 00:45:17.230
  • - Darren: Let me just stop you
  • 00:45:17.230 --> 00:45:18.220
  • for 1 second.
  • 00:45:18.220 --> 00:45:19.180
  • I was just thinking about it,
  • 00:45:19.180 --> 00:45:20.240
  • 'cause for me, I actually became
  • 00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:22.200
  • a Christian right at that point
  • 00:45:22.200 --> 00:45:24.080
  • when that HDYS was being formed.
  • 00:45:24.080 --> 00:45:25.270
  • And I used to work in a print
  • 00:45:25.270 --> 00:45:27.180
  • shop across the road from it.
  • 00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:29.090
  • So it was in the old
  • 00:45:29.090 --> 00:45:29.240
  • police station.
  • 00:45:29.240 --> 00:45:30.250
  • I used to work in a print shop
  • 00:45:30.250 --> 00:45:31.240
  • called, whatever.
  • 00:45:31.240 --> 00:45:33.070
  • And I used to spend my lunch,
  • 00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:35.040
  • I used to go to the pub at my
  • 00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:36.180
  • lunch, in my lunch break,
  • 00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:38.030
  • and play the poker machines.
  • 00:45:38.030 --> 00:45:39.070
  • So I used to go and sit with
  • 00:45:39.070 --> 00:45:40.220
  • a guy that you had in
  • 00:45:40.220 --> 00:45:41.250
  • there doing graphic design and
  • 00:45:41.250 --> 00:45:43.040
  • all that in the youth service,
  • 00:45:43.040 --> 00:45:44.170
  • and spend my lunch.
  • 00:45:44.170 --> 00:45:45.170
  • It redeemed my lunch.
  • 00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.150
  • The youth service redeemed
  • 00:45:46.150 --> 00:45:48.040
  • my lunch.
  • 00:45:48.040 --> 00:45:49.050
  • And definitely formative years
  • 00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:51.010
  • for me as a young Christian
  • 00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:52.180
  • was havin' a place where
  • 00:45:52.180 --> 00:45:53.260
  • I could actually go and not be
  • 00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:55.280
  • distracted by the things
  • 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.040
  • that were tryin' to pull me back
  • 00:45:57.040 --> 00:45:58.010
  • into the world.
  • 00:45:58.010 --> 00:45:59.070
  • So just as a little segue into--
  • 00:45:59.070 --> 00:46:00.230
  • - Christine: Well, that makes
  • 00:46:00.230 --> 00:46:01.230
  • that worth it anyway.
  • 00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:02.160
  • - Darren: Yeah, yeah,
  • 00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:03.110
  • there you go.
  • 00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:04.060
  • - Christine: Well, isn't that
  • 00:46:04.060 --> 00:46:04.290
  • crazy?
  • 00:46:04.290 --> 00:46:05.260
  • 'Cause we built it from scratch,
  • 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:06.210
  • you know?
  • 00:46:06.210 --> 00:46:07.180
  • And so everything was a stepping
  • 00:46:07.180 --> 00:46:08.280
  • out because we lived by radical
  • 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.120
  • faith because we didn't know
  • 00:46:10.120 --> 00:46:11.230
  • there was anything else.
  • 00:46:11.230 --> 00:46:12.230
  • So I remember knocking
  • 00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:14.020
  • on the doors of businesses,
  • 00:46:14.020 --> 00:46:15.010
  • which I could've on your
  • 00:46:15.010 --> 00:46:15.240
  • print shop, and basically,
  • 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.010
  • you know, "You wanna sponsor
  • 00:46:17.010 --> 00:46:18.050
  • our youth center, or kids
  • 00:46:18.050 --> 00:46:19.190
  • from the park are gonna come
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  • and trash your, you know,
  • 00:46:20.110 --> 00:46:21.280
  • you and you business."
  • 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.100
  • And so, I started stepping out
  • 00:46:23.100 --> 00:46:24.100
  • by reading things in the Bible,
  • 00:46:24.100 --> 00:46:26.140
  • and then just understanding,
  • 00:46:26.140 --> 00:46:28.060
  • "Wow, well, this is,
  • 00:46:28.060 --> 00:46:29.260
  • faith could work for everybody.
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  • And if you don't step out,
  • 00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:33.010
  • you'll never find out."
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  • And so right from the beginning
  • 00:46:34.080 --> 00:46:35.140
  • we started to do that.
  • 00:46:35.140 --> 00:46:36.190
  • Then, obviously, the steps just
  • 00:46:36.190 --> 00:46:39.190
  • became bigger, and went higher,
  • 00:46:40.110 --> 00:46:43.110
  • but everyone built on
  • 00:46:43.110 --> 00:46:44.080
  • the next one.
  • 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:45.040
  • Then I went from
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  • Hills District Youth Service
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  • to Youth Alive.
  • 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.090
  • And so now I was speaking in,
  • 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:49.100
  • you know,
  • 00:46:49.100 --> 00:46:50.080
  • arenas to young people.
  • 00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:51.200
  • Which, again, was, at the time,
  • 00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:53.060
  • quite an unusual thing
  • 00:46:53.060 --> 00:46:54.020
  • for a woman.
  • 00:46:54.020 --> 00:46:54.270
  • So I was stepping out
  • 00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:55.190
  • of culture,
  • 00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:56.140
  • stepping out of tradition,
  • 00:46:56.140 --> 00:46:57.150
  • stepping out of familiarity.
  • 00:46:57.150 --> 00:46:59.130
  • You're always gonna have to let
  • 00:46:59.130 --> 00:47:00.150
  • go of what you know in order
  • 00:47:00.150 --> 00:47:02.010
  • to lay ahold of what you
  • 00:47:02.010 --> 00:47:02.240
  • don't know.
  • 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:03.190
  • And so, you're always gonna have
  • 00:47:03.190 --> 00:47:05.140
  • to do certain things afraid.
  • 00:47:05.140 --> 00:47:07.010
  • I think we wait for the fear
  • 00:47:07.010 --> 00:47:08.080
  • to go, and then we're gonna
  • 00:47:08.080 --> 00:47:09.120
  • step out.
  • 00:47:09.120 --> 00:47:10.180
  • - Darren: Do things afraid.
  • 00:47:10.180 --> 00:47:11.120
  • - Christine: I've learned to do
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  • it afraid.
  • 00:47:12.010 --> 00:47:12.200
  • Everything, I remember when
  • 00:47:12.200 --> 00:47:13.110
  • we started A21, which, you know,
  • 00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:14.180
  • now is worldwide.
  • 00:47:14.180 --> 00:47:15.280
  • What did I know about
  • 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.030
  • trafficking?
  • 00:47:17.030 --> 00:47:18.010
  • Nothing.
  • 00:47:18.010 --> 00:47:18.270
  • I wasn't educated in it.
  • 00:47:18.270 --> 00:47:19.290
  • I didn't have the money.
  • 00:47:19.290 --> 00:47:21.010
  • I didn't have the connections.
  • 00:47:21.010 --> 00:47:22.090
  • There was huge risk.
  • 00:47:22.090 --> 00:47:24.210
  • And I mean, we're talking
  • 00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:25.140
  • Russian and Albanian mafia.
  • 00:47:25.140 --> 00:47:26.240
  • We're talking about, I had
  • 00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:28.060
  • two small children, you know?
  • 00:47:28.060 --> 00:47:29.190
  • We lived in Australia.
  • 00:47:29.190 --> 00:47:31.100
  • It was far away from Europe.
  • 00:47:31.100 --> 00:47:33.160
  • So everything was a risk.
  • 00:47:33.160 --> 00:47:35.100
  • But you know, you and I,
  • 00:47:35.100 --> 00:47:36.060
  • we've grown up in Australia,
  • 00:47:36.060 --> 00:47:37.230
  • and I've grown up
  • 00:47:37.230 --> 00:47:38.270
  • in a Greek family.
  • 00:47:38.270 --> 00:47:40.000
  • And Greeks are fatalists.
  • 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.190
  • It doesn't matter how bad things
  • 00:47:41.190 --> 00:47:42.170
  • are, they can always get worse.
  • 00:47:42.170 --> 00:47:44.090
  • And so, you know, my mum would
  • 00:47:44.090 --> 00:47:46.010
  • be, "Christine, don't do that,
  • 00:47:46.010 --> 00:47:46.260
  • you know, you're gonna die."
  • 00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:47.200
  • And so we grew up in a culture
  • 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:49.050
  • that says, you know,
  • 00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:50.050
  • "Don't count your chickens
  • 00:47:50.050 --> 00:47:51.180
  • before they hatch."
  • 00:47:51.180 --> 00:47:52.270
  • You know, I'm just tryin'
  • 00:47:52.270 --> 00:47:54.200
  • to think of a whole bunch
  • 00:47:54.200 --> 00:47:55.230
  • of different, you know,
  • 00:47:55.230 --> 00:47:56.280
  • "If it's too good to be true,
  • 00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.240
  • it probably is."
  • 00:47:57.240 --> 00:47:58.200
  • I mean, you just think of
  • 00:47:58.200 --> 00:47:59.170
  • our culture.
  • 00:47:59.170 --> 00:48:00.100
  • - Darren: My dad used to say to
  • 00:48:00.100 --> 00:48:01.040
  • me, "Oh, it's okay that you've,
  • 00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:02.140
  • you know, become a pastor."
  • 00:48:02.140 --> 00:48:03.220
  • He goes, "You've always got your
  • 00:48:03.220 --> 00:48:04.180
  • printing trade to fall back on,"
  • 00:48:04.180 --> 00:48:05.190
  • you know?
  • 00:48:05.190 --> 00:48:06.160
  • - Christine: Always, you know?
  • 00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:07.270
  • And, "What goes up must
  • 00:48:07.270 --> 00:48:08.230
  • come down."
  • 00:48:08.230 --> 00:48:09.250
  • That's all right, Christie."
  • 00:48:09.250 --> 00:48:10.210
  • And so there's always,
  • 00:48:10.210 --> 00:48:11.210
  • we are actually taught to
  • 00:48:11.210 --> 00:48:12.220
  • be risk averse.
  • 00:48:12.220 --> 00:48:14.040
  • We're taught to not step out,
  • 00:48:14.040 --> 00:48:15.110
  • but look for what's safe,
  • 00:48:15.110 --> 00:48:16.210
  • what's comfortable.
  • 00:48:16.210 --> 00:48:17.210
  • And yet, everything about the
  • 00:48:17.210 --> 00:48:18.210
  • gospel, you know, the Lord says,
  • 00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:20.170
  • "Without faith,
  • 00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:21.130
  • it's impossible to please God."
  • 00:48:21.130 --> 00:48:22.290
  • 2 Corinthians says that,
  • 00:48:22.290 --> 00:48:24.010
  • you know,
  • 00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:24.290
  • "Our eyes haven't seen,
  • 00:48:24.290 --> 00:48:25.250
  • our ears haven't heard,
  • 00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:26.170
  • nor has it entered into our
  • 00:48:26.170 --> 00:48:27.250
  • hearts the things that God
  • 00:48:27.250 --> 00:48:28.270
  • has for us."
  • 00:48:28.270 --> 00:48:29.190
  • Ephesians 3:20 says that,
  • 00:48:29.190 --> 00:48:31.000
  • you know: "God is able to do
  • 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.070
  • exceedingly abundantly above and
  • 00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:33.200
  • beyond anything we could ask,
  • 00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:34.280
  • hope, or think."
  • 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.260
  • But what we do, I think,
  • 00:48:35.260 --> 00:48:37.020
  • as believers often, and often
  • 00:48:37.020 --> 00:48:38.060
  • as leaders, is that we pray for
  • 00:48:38.060 --> 00:48:40.150
  • signs, wonders, and miracles,
  • 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:42.180
  • and then we avoid any kind
  • 00:48:42.180 --> 00:48:44.020
  • of situation where you need one.
  • 00:48:44.020 --> 00:48:46.110
  • And so we go, "Okay, it's not--"
  • 00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:47.160
  • - Darren: Safety first.
  • 00:48:47.160 --> 00:48:48.170
  • - Christine: That's it, mate.
  • 00:48:48.170 --> 00:48:49.210
  • And so you go, "Okay."
  • 00:48:49.210 --> 00:48:50.190
  • I needed, to start A21,
  • 00:48:50.190 --> 00:48:52.040
  • we needed miracles.
  • 00:48:52.040 --> 00:48:53.110
  • And so that meant we had to
  • 00:48:53.110 --> 00:48:54.210
  • step out, and I remember
  • 00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:55.240
  • coming back and talking to
  • 00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:57.060
  • Bobbie, and it was so daunting.
  • 00:48:57.060 --> 00:48:58.280
  • We put it out before
  • 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.020
  • our Colour Sisterhood.
  • 00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:01.090
  • It was, like, "'Kay, a bunch of
  • 00:49:01.090 --> 00:49:02.050
  • chicks in the back of a--"
  • 00:49:02.050 --> 00:49:03.030
  • I mean, at that time,
  • 00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:04.060
  • in the back of Australia.
  • 00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.040
  • Could we?
  • 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:06.000
  • Well, that bunch of chicks
  • 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.110
  • in the back, you know,
  • 00:49:07.110 --> 00:49:08.130
  • here in Australia,
  • 00:49:08.130 --> 00:49:09.150
  • and it could've probably been
  • 00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:10.080
  • in this very arena that we were
  • 00:49:10.080 --> 00:49:11.090
  • launching it all, decided we
  • 00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:14.020
  • were gonna step out in prayer,
  • 00:49:14.020 --> 00:49:15.110
  • and by faith we're gonna take
  • 00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:16.140
  • a risk.
  • 00:49:16.140 --> 00:49:18.000
  • We're gonna embrace, you know,
  • 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.100
  • what we do know about God versus
  • 00:49:19.100 --> 00:49:21.050
  • what we don't know about the
  • 00:49:21.050 --> 00:49:22.050
  • future, and we're gonna trust
  • 00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:23.080
  • that God is faithful.
  • 00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:24.190
  • And that's the thing
  • 00:49:24.190 --> 00:49:25.100
  • that I've discovered, I think,
  • 00:49:25.100 --> 00:49:26.090
  • in all of my leadership journey,
  • 00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:27.170
  • he who promised is faithful.
  • 00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:28.280
  • And if he calls you,
  • 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.040
  • he'll equip you.
  • 00:49:30.040 --> 00:49:31.100
  • You've gotta step out to find
  • 00:49:31.100 --> 00:49:32.110
  • out, and you've gotta do it
  • 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:33.140
  • afraid.
  • 00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:34.080
  • - Darren: You stepping out into
  • 00:49:34.080 --> 00:49:35.080
  • that, I guess, that God whisper,
  • 00:49:35.080 --> 00:49:37.230
  • or that God voice, afraid, to
  • 00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:39.190
  • start A21, how many years ago?
  • 00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:41.170
  • - Christine: Eight years now.
  • 00:49:41.170 --> 00:49:42.160
  • - Darren: Eight years ago.
  • 00:49:42.160 --> 00:49:43.120
  • So 8 years ago.
  • 00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:44.140
  • What does it look like now?
  • 00:49:44.140 --> 00:49:45.170
  • - Christine: Well,
  • 00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:46.100
  • who would've known?
  • 00:49:46.100 --> 00:49:47.140
  • Now, we have 14 different
  • 00:49:47.140 --> 00:49:48.200
  • offices in 12 nations in the
  • 00:49:48.200 --> 00:49:50.020
  • world, over 150 traffickers that
  • 00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:55.110
  • have gone to trial, convicted,
  • 00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:57.030
  • sentenced, and are in prison,
  • 00:49:57.030 --> 00:49:58.210
  • which is just, you know,
  • 00:49:58.210 --> 00:49:59.240
  • unprecedented.
  • 00:49:59.240 --> 00:50:01.000
  • And hundreds, literally,
  • 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.120
  • multiplied hundreds of women
  • 00:50:02.120 --> 00:50:04.110
  • and children and young men,
  • 00:50:04.110 --> 00:50:05.240
  • certified victims of human
  • 00:50:05.240 --> 00:50:07.060
  • trafficking, that have gone
  • 00:50:07.060 --> 00:50:08.140
  • through the restoration program.
  • 00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:09.150
  • It's because we stepped out.
  • 00:50:09.150 --> 00:50:11.110
  • - Darren: Well, I wanna say
  • 00:50:11.110 --> 00:50:12.110
  • thank you.
  • 00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:13.040
  • Thank you for comin' in today.
  • 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:13.260
  • Thank you for stepping out,
  • 00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:15.200
  • and for continuing to do so.
  • 00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:16.280
  • We're with ya, and we're
  • 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.080
  • believin' and standing' with ya
  • 00:50:18.080 --> 00:50:19.110
  • as you continue to take those
  • 00:50:19.110 --> 00:50:21.100
  • steps of faith into what God's
  • 00:50:21.100 --> 00:50:22.140
  • called you to do.
  • 00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:23.180
  • - Christine: Love you,
  • 00:50:23.180 --> 00:50:24.080
  • thank you, and bless you, guys.
  • 00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:25.050
  • I love this.
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