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David & Tamela Mann's Story

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March 29, 2017
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Living by Faith with Mike & DeeDee Freeman

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David & Tamela Mann's Story

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  • It's like I want to do the best that I can but it's like
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  • I don't know what to do at this point because it's gone
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  • so far, I feel like I've allowed so much to happen
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  • but then it's like I don't know what I did to cause
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  • it to happen.
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  • Like custody battles, restraining orders,
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  • second degree assault charges and all in the midst of all
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  • of that we still have two kids.
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  • - Sounds like you here to stop her.
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  • - Listen I'm trying to get some good advice.
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  • - No that's true, that's right.
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  • Today, on Living by Faith...
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  • - [Mike] And I promise you she ain't gonna sing like Tam,
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  • there's very few women.
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  • - I'd be sneaking back constantly.
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  • Gee girl what you doing?
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  • - But now every wife doesn't have to cook right?
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  • - No you don't have to cook, you don't have to love to cook,
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  • now this is what I teach my kids, my girls.
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  • You don't have to love to cook but you need to know
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  • how to cook.
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  • - And what we teach 'em is to be well rounded.
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  • Now this is just the more practical stuff.
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  • - Now you mean, you don't cook?
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  • - Ah well.
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  • (congregation laughs)
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  • - It's all right, I got you girl.
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  • - Well, well.
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  • - I got you good.
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  • - We teach people to be well rounded, see 'cause I tell
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  • you I can go outside, change a tire, change the flat on
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  • your car, kill a lion, come back in, bake you a cake
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  • and put a perm on your hair, that's where I wanna be.
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  • (congregation laughs)
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  • - Drop the mic.
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  • - We getting new ones anyway, drop it.
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  • - He said we getting new ones.
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  • Is anybody getting anything, are ya'll getting anything?
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  • - Oh yes.
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  • - Is anybody being blessed up there?
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  • (congregation applauds)
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • Can we just give the Lord a hand praise.
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  • - Yeah!
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  • - For everything that he's done.
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  • How great he is, how marvelous he is!
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  • How excellent, we love you Lord!
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  • We glorify you!
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  • - Yeah!
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  • - We thank you for blessin' these people,
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  • your people oh God!
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  • Everybody that's represented here Lord Jesus!
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  • Let your glory fall on them Jesus!
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  • Let you presence fall in their houses!
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  • Bless their children oh God!
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  • God we thank you right now in advance for what you're about
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  • to do in our lives!
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  • We have great expectation oh God!
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  • We have great expectation on what you're gonna do in our
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  • lives Lord, show up in us Jesus!
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  • Stand up and be your God, hallelujah!
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  • Lord I thank you right now for your grace and your mercy!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Glory for everything you doing!
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  • For all the ways you've made oh God!
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  • Thank you Jesus!
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  • Thank you Lord, hallelujah!
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  • I love you Lord, we love you today!
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  • We love you today Jesus!
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  • Cover us in your blood Lord!
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  • Cover us in your blood in our everyday world,
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  • cover us Jesus!
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  • Oh God I thank you, I thank you, I thank you,
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  • I thank you!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • I know I just went all out of there,
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  • oh but God is worthy to be praised!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Thank you Jesus!
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  • Hallelujah!
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  • Glory glory glory glory glory!
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  • Thank you Jesus!
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  • - [Mike] Hallelujah!
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  • - I want my ways to please him.
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  • - Come on.
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  • - I want him to say well done, hallelujah!
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  • I want him to be pleased with me, hallelujah!
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  • I never want to take the Lord for granted,
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  • I never want to take him granted.
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  • Hallelujah, I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful.
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  • (congregation applauds)
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  • Hallelujah, we have to seize the moments people of God.
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  • We have to seize the moments cause time is winding up,
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  • time is winding up, we've been hearing that since we was
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  • kids but God is soon to come.
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  • So many signs and wonders are happening you guys
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  • and we have a job to do.
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  • We looking at your pastor and you're looking at people
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  • that's out in the forefront but we all have a job to do.
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  • God is calling us all in.
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  • He need all of our help, just like we need his help,
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  • God needs all of our help.
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  • No one is exempt, you can't say that you don't know how,
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  • even if you can say the Lord loves you, we gotta tell people
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  • ya'll, people are dying and don't know the Lord.
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  • But he said his word wouldn't return void so everybody
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  • gonna have a chance.
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  • But make it your choice to tell somebody about the
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  • goodness of the Lord.
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  • I love ya'll, I love ya'll so much.
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  • (audience applauds)
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  • - Oh God.
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  • Oh God.
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  • - I'm sorry pastor, first lady.
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  • I don't know but I just had to do that.
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  • - It's no apology necessary.
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  • - If I could play the organ I would have gone on there.
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  • - But you can tell the reality of the relationship
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  • with Holy Spirit and your relationship and I think that's
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  • where the.
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  • - [Dee Dee] The whole strength and the power of
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  • the relationship.
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  • The whole stability,
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  • it's like the - Yes that's where it resides.
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  • foundation, the core, it's everything.
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  • - You got to have a relationship with the Lord.
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  • - You have to.
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  • - Dee Dee used to rely so much on me,
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  • that when I wasn't responding to her properly
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  • nothing was right in the house.
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  • - I made him the source of my satisfaction,
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  • you know it was like okay whatever he does it would
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  • determine what I would do and I had to realize that
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  • he was not my God.
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  • And not until I decided that I would build a relationship
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  • with the Holy Spirit, knowing that he was the real person.
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  • Holy Spirit is a real person, that's what.
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  • - [David] That's the same deal.
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  • - The same, I mean, and that's it really because a lot of
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  • us are always looking to the other spouse to fulfill
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  • certain things and it's like God I can come to you.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - You will obligate him to do what he is supposed to do
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  • you know.
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  • That's it and so I had to take my attention off of him.
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  • - [Tamela] Amen.
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  • - Put my attentions on God, God you will satisfy me
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  • so regardless of what he did I still was satisfied.
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  • - Yes that is so true because the Lord told me,
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  • he's like, I'm your first love.
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  • He reminded me, I'm your first love because it was like
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  • I kept having dreams and I wasn't telling him like
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  • about him dying.
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  • So I took it as like the Lord is thinking okay now,
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  • you getting too caught up in David that you're
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  • forgetting about me.
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  • And it's like okay Lord.
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  • - [Mike] Wow.
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  • - It's like okay I get it, that I will not put nobody
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  • before you Lord and it's like you said and that's the same
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  • thing and I been really kinda talking to even with my
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  • family, my kids about relationship and I been praying Lord,
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  • let them have a relationship.
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  • 'Cause when you in relationship you go out of your
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  • way for it.
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  • - [Mike] Come on, come on, come on.
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  • - You want to make sure that its alright,
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  • you want everything to line up perfect because you don't
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  • wanna, first of all let that person down
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  • and that's how I look at the Lord.
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  • - [Dee Dee] Yes.
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  • - I mean all of ya'll are sitting there but I'm looking
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  • like he's sitting right there in the front row
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  • and he's looking at me and I got to make sure that the
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  • Lord, my Father is getting everything what I'm doing,
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  • what I'm saying, that I'm not getting caught up into me.
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  • But I mean I love him but we can't put our spouses
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  • before God, thank you for that.
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  • - I'm glad to the Lord that he didn't have to kill me.
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  • (congregation laughs)
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  • - I feel the same way.
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  • - I mean but it's it, 'cause if we would just all just
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  • be a Christian we could have a great relationship.
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  • No really if we could all just be a Christian,
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  • don't you think? - I agree.
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  • Because, I mean look, Christians forgive, Christians love,
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  • Christians move on, it's like we won't have to sit there
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  • and deserve, okay am I just a wife?
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  • Or am I, you know, a Christian?
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  • What am I first?
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  • It's like I'm a Christian and I'm a believer so I'm
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  • obligated to fulfill this word right here.
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  • If I'm just gonna look at wife duties and not Christian
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  • duties something is not gonna be right.
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  • - Ain't it good to know that once we put our self in him
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  • that everything else will just fall into line?
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  • Once we line up with his word and what he said everything
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  • else will line up.
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  • The husband will act right, the wife'll act right.
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  • - Absolutely.
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  • May I give them an opportunity to ask any questions?
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  • - For sure.
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  • - Ya'll not ready to go are you?
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  • - Interested in asking, get two mics in the.
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  • - Ya'll ready to go?
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  • Ya'll ready to go?
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  • - [Congregation] No!
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  • - Okay I ain't ready to go either, I'll leave 10 in the
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  • morning.
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  • - Who has a question, just for a few moments,
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  • if you want to ask them a question about anything.
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  • - Everybody scared now.
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  • - Or if in fact there's something that they have not
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  • mentioned would you come.
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  • - Please secure permission from whomever you're with.
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  • - Yes how can I help you sir?
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  • Pass him the mic back there.
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  • - I wanted to know did God let you know, or let her know
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  • that ya'll was gonna be husband and wife?
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  • Before it happened?
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  • - [Mike] What was the question?
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  • - He said, "Did God let either one of us know that we were
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  • "gonna be husband and wife before it happened?"
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  • You know how when you know that you know and you kinda
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  • try to stay away because you know.
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  • I knew that if I got involved with this woman it wasn't
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  • gonna be one of those temporary things like with everybody
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  • else so I was like, I tried to steer clear of her for a
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  • while and I told her.
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  • So when I finally said Lord okay what you have,
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  • I started calling everybody and say, hey I got this thing
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  • I'm about to enter into that's gonna probably be for a
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  • lifetime so I can't see you no more.
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  • So I knew, I knew the kind of woman that she was before
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  • I married her, even made her my girlfriend,
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  • so I can say yes, I already knew.
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  • - Was that based upon the standard she sat and presented
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  • to you that this was a no nonsense kind of deal?
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  • - She was a no nonsense, not in the sense that, it's just
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  • the anointing that she carried then, that she carries now
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  • she carried then and I knew that okay I have to work this
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  • gently, I can't just run up on her,
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  • even though she was kissing me on the mouth.
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  • (congregation laughs)
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  • - Yes sir.
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  • - When ya'll was in the East when ya'll was younger right,
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  • the ride and die and stuff like that, how did you continue
  • 00:11:24.220 --> 00:11:27.280
  • on to show and prove right that you're not that little boy
  • 00:11:27.280 --> 00:11:31.110
  • anymore, ya'll had grown now?
  • 00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:33.090
  • Ya'll endorsing him and she still looking at you like
  • 00:11:33.090 --> 00:11:38.020
  • that little, youth.
  • 00:11:38.020 --> 00:11:39.190
  • - [David] The answer to your question is I had
  • 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.180
  • to be consistent.
  • 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:45.200
  • - [Mike] Come on.
  • 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.180
  • - She seen my consistent growth.
  • 00:11:46.180 --> 00:11:48.110
  • - Come on.
  • 00:11:48.110 --> 00:11:49.250
  • - And see people, people aren't looking for perfect people,
  • 00:11:49.250 --> 00:11:52.120
  • what they're looking at is consistent people.
  • 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.100
  • So she seen, even if there was a day when I slipped back
  • 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:58.210
  • into that she knew consistently that I was trying to grow.
  • 00:11:58.210 --> 00:12:02.230
  • She knew consistently that I wanted to be the husband
  • 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:05.270
  • that she wanted me to be.
  • 00:12:05.270 --> 00:12:07.120
  • So I had to learn to be consistent in what I said.
  • 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.130
  • - And push, I had to push him too.
  • 00:12:11.130 --> 00:12:13.240
  • I had to push him into continuing to be that man
  • 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:17.180
  • that I was needing.
  • 00:12:17.180 --> 00:12:19.030
  • So it's like not bashing, you know it's like,
  • 00:12:19.030 --> 00:12:21.240
  • of course sometime you would get angry and a little
  • 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.150
  • frustrated as the woman but it was like,
  • 00:12:24.150 --> 00:12:27.050
  • okay remember you said you was gonna do this, you remember?
  • 00:12:27.050 --> 00:12:30.240
  • So it's like kinda sweeter, to be sweet versus being sour.
  • 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:34.290
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:12:35.280 --> 00:12:37.010
  • - You know because I could have came at him sour,
  • 00:12:38.140 --> 00:12:39.250
  • like look you said you was gonna.
  • 00:12:39.250 --> 00:12:41.280
  • - Then sometime she use that woman trick on me.
  • 00:12:41.280 --> 00:12:45.250
  • Gave me that good love and I did whatever she wanted
  • 00:12:47.090 --> 00:12:49.080
  • me to do.
  • 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.030
  • (congregation laughs)
  • 00:12:50.030 --> 00:12:51.240
  • - That's what I'm talkin' about.
  • 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.220
  • The re-enforcing.
  • 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:55.050
  • - Women ya'll know you do that to us.
  • 00:12:57.220 --> 00:13:00.210
  • I think I want a new car, see.
  • 00:13:00.210 --> 00:13:03.210
  • (congregation laughs)
  • 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:07.170
  • Here go the keys.
  • 00:13:07.170 --> 00:13:09.000
  • - Hey David she just loves you man,
  • 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:14.170
  • I'm sitting here looking at her, how she's looking at you.
  • 00:13:14.170 --> 00:13:17.040
  • - That's 'cause she never know what I'm gonna say
  • 00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:18.130
  • and sometimes she embarrassed.
  • 00:13:18.130 --> 00:13:21.040
  • - I know she's waiting to hit you to say, "Don't say that."
  • 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:24.250
  • - I love it man, it's so genuine and authentic
  • 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:28.220
  • and that's what we need in the body of Christ.
  • 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:31.020
  • Yes sir.
  • 00:13:31.020 --> 00:13:32.170
  • - I got a question as far as the blended family.
  • 00:13:32.170 --> 00:13:35.070
  • Miss Tamela you said the biggest thing, my wife did
  • 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:37.250
  • exactly what you've been doing, she has been the mentor,
  • 00:13:37.250 --> 00:13:41.130
  • she has been the mediator, she has been the punching bag
  • 00:13:41.130 --> 00:13:45.270
  • for four and a half, almost five years of
  • 00:13:45.270 --> 00:13:48.080
  • this blended family.
  • 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:49.290
  • I'm going through hell, hell with my kids mother,
  • 00:13:49.290 --> 00:13:54.220
  • consistently to this day and my wife has endured so much,
  • 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:58.080
  • how as a man do I?
  • 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.230
  • It's like I want to do the best that I can but it's like
  • 00:14:02.110 --> 00:14:06.220
  • I don't know what to do at this point because it's gone
  • 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:07.160
  • I don't know what to do at this point because it's gone
  • 00:14:07.270 --> 00:14:09.040
  • so far, I feel like I've allowed so much to happen
  • 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:12.030
  • but then it's like I don't know what I did to cause
  • 00:14:12.030 --> 00:14:14.160
  • it to happen.
  • 00:14:14.160 --> 00:14:15.230
  • Like custody battles, restraining orders,
  • 00:14:15.230 --> 00:14:18.260
  • second degree assault charges and all in the midst of all
  • 00:14:18.260 --> 00:14:23.200
  • of that we still have two kids.
  • 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.090
  • - Sounds like you here to stop her.
  • 00:14:25.090 --> 00:14:28.070
  • - Listen I'm trying to get some good advice.
  • 00:14:29.130 --> 00:14:30.290
  • - No that's true, that's right.
  • 00:14:30.290 --> 00:14:31.000
  • - No that's true, that's right.
  • 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:32.130
  • - No so answer me this, do ya'll communicate in any way.
  • 00:14:32.260 --> 00:14:35.270
  • - Me and my kids mother don't communicate at all
  • 00:14:35.270 --> 00:14:38.230
  • and it's to a point that my children don't even want
  • 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:40.180
  • to go over there and they have looked towards my wife
  • 00:14:40.180 --> 00:14:43.080
  • as their mother and you know.
  • 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.200
  • - [Tamela] The babies live with you now?
  • 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.280
  • - They stay with me right now.
  • 00:14:46.280 --> 00:14:48.010
  • - [Tamela] Praise the Lord.
  • 00:14:48.010 --> 00:14:49.140
  • - I mean like I said, we still going to custody battle,
  • 00:14:49.140 --> 00:14:50.240
  • we still going to court, I mean it's consistent
  • 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.240
  • but the biggest thing is that my wife has done everything
  • 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.200
  • have endured so much, what do I do?
  • 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:59.070
  • Or Mr Mann, Mr Dave, what do I do as far as try to ensure
  • 00:14:59.070 --> 00:15:03.120
  • her, like look man I'm still with you?
  • 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.160
  • Like I appreciate the times that you have fought this battle
  • 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:09.090
  • that I didn't want to fight anymore, I wanted to give up on
  • 00:15:09.090 --> 00:15:11.090
  • my kids 'cause I couldn't take it no more.
  • 00:15:11.090 --> 00:15:13.100
  • - You have to keep reassuring her.
  • 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:15.210
  • Now I'll tell you a story that I probably only shared about
  • 00:15:15.210 --> 00:15:18.120
  • once or twice publicly.
  • 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.030
  • Now I have another daughter but I didn't find out about
  • 00:15:20.030 --> 00:15:22.200
  • this daughter until she was five.
  • 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.200
  • So image she's at work and then you call her on her lunch
  • 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.020
  • break and say "The constable just came by and we got a new
  • 00:15:29.020 --> 00:15:32.240
  • "kid, what you want to eat for lunch?"
  • 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.010
  • (congregation laughs)
  • 00:15:35.010 --> 00:15:37.290
  • Now in her mind it's like, here we go and it was before
  • 00:15:37.290 --> 00:15:41.090
  • we married but in her mind it was like, okay now you
  • 00:15:41.090 --> 00:15:45.190
  • got to take the attention from here and go do something
  • 00:15:45.190 --> 00:15:48.270
  • else and here we go and I had to keep reassuring her,
  • 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:52.230
  • that listen and I use this right to this day,
  • 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:56.190
  • it's me and you against the world.
  • 00:15:56.190 --> 00:15:59.140
  • It's us against everything else, whether it's
  • 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:04.220
  • the kids, whether it's the mom, the other one,
  • 00:16:04.220 --> 00:16:08.200
  • you have to make sure that you two and you're affirming her
  • 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:12.100
  • like I said earlier and ya'll are a united front
  • 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:15.210
  • that no matter what comes, no matter what, the restraining
  • 00:16:15.210 --> 00:16:19.010
  • order, the whatever, you have to reassure her that it's
  • 00:16:19.010 --> 00:16:22.290
  • you and her and then everything else.
  • 00:16:22.290 --> 00:16:25.270
  • 'Cause our kids know that in any given moment we'll turn
  • 00:16:25.270 --> 00:16:29.220
  • on ya'll.
  • 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:30.210
  • - Yep.
  • 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:31.160
  • - Oh I will tell you in a minute.
  • 00:16:34.110 --> 00:16:37.040
  • - This sounds really funny.
  • 00:16:39.280 --> 00:16:42.130
  • - Oh we will, they come a distant second with me and her
  • 00:16:42.130 --> 00:16:45.210
  • and that's the way you should make her feel.
  • 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:48.000
  • Once she feels that way - Your wife.
  • 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.250
  • your wife, it has to be, the other party has to be
  • 00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:54.000
  • willing to be a willing participant in co-parenting.
  • 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.210
  • If she's not, keep praying for her 'cause sometime
  • 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:02.180
  • some people are just, I ain't gonna say ignorant,
  • 00:17:02.180 --> 00:17:05.220
  • but I'm gonna say ignorant.
  • 00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:06.210
  • - They special.
  • 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:07.280
  • - Special and I'm not calling her special.
  • 00:17:07.280 --> 00:17:10.200
  • - [White Shirt Man] She's super special.
  • 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.000
  • - Well I'm gonna let you call her special.
  • 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.240
  • - But you just keep showing love and keep, like he's saying,
  • 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.140
  • keep telling your wife how much you appreciate her,
  • 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:21.230
  • how much you love her for that that's she putting up
  • 00:17:21.230 --> 00:17:24.180
  • and dealing with with you, with your family.
  • 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:27.090
  • Because her love for you makes her want to fight for you.
  • 00:17:27.090 --> 00:17:30.250
  • - [Mike] Come on.
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:32.100
  • - Because that's what it was for David, I loved him so much
  • 00:17:32.100 --> 00:17:34.290
  • that I was willing to help carry the weight because
  • 00:17:34.290 --> 00:17:38.030
  • I know it's a weight.
  • 00:17:38.030 --> 00:17:39.170
  • I know it's a weight on you and we didn't go as far as that
  • 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:42.210
  • but I mean it's some blows did get a little low.
  • 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:45.160
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.010
  • - You know with the five year old mama when came with her,
  • 00:17:47.010 --> 00:17:49.090
  • you know I had to kind of get a little crazy a little bit.
  • 00:17:49.090 --> 00:17:53.160
  • I didn't cuss or nothin', I didn't cuss, I didn't,
  • 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.080
  • I didn't cuss her and she cussed me and I like, look here,
  • 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:58.080
  • I don't cuss you, I don't curse you so you don't curse me.
  • 00:17:58.080 --> 00:18:01.180
  • I don't talk like that so we not gonna talk like that.
  • 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:04.230
  • 'Cause it's almost like you have to take charge
  • 00:18:04.230 --> 00:18:07.220
  • 'cause some people feel like they can bully you
  • 00:18:07.220 --> 00:18:09.170
  • and push you around, you know just 'cause we Christians
  • 00:18:09.170 --> 00:18:12.140
  • they feel like, "Oh you supposed to take it 'cause you're
  • 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:14.270
  • "a Christian.", no ma'am, look here.
  • 00:18:14.270 --> 00:18:17.080
  • - And stand firm.
  • 00:18:17.080 --> 00:18:18.220
  • - I'm gonna treat your baby just like I would treat my own,
  • 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:22.100
  • I'm not gonna disrespect them, I'm gonna give for whoever
  • 00:18:22.100 --> 00:18:25.180
  • needs it the most is gonna get it.
  • 00:18:25.180 --> 00:18:27.100
  • Whoever needs some shoes, they'll get the shoes first,
  • 00:18:27.100 --> 00:18:29.270
  • whether it's yours or mine, it doesn't matter.
  • 00:18:29.270 --> 00:18:32.060
  • I'm gonna love them because I love the kid
  • 00:18:32.060 --> 00:18:34.190
  • and we gotta make sure that this kid is being taken care of,
  • 00:18:34.190 --> 00:18:37.210
  • I'm sorry it has nothing to do with you.
  • 00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:39.270
  • And I had to tell, I don't know where your wife is,
  • 00:18:39.270 --> 00:18:41.280
  • but I had to tell the mama that.
  • 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:44.180
  • I'm like, look please don't get it twisted,
  • 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.270
  • now if we do have to go to blows we can go to blows,
  • 00:18:48.270 --> 00:18:52.280
  • but we not gonna get ugly like that because it's not gonna
  • 00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:57.120
  • help, it's not gonna prove anything to this baby.
  • 00:18:57.120 --> 00:19:00.210
  • - Tam you a thug, ya'll didn't know Tamela Mann's a thug.
  • 00:19:00.210 --> 00:19:04.050
  • - I was raised in the hood.
  • 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:07.010
  • I look like this now but I didn't look like this then.
  • 00:19:07.010 --> 00:19:09.170
  • - No she was a gansta.
  • 00:19:09.170 --> 00:19:10.250
  • - Hallelujah.
  • 00:19:10.250 --> 00:19:12.020
  • She got tattoos on her neck and everything.
  • 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:13.100
  • - Be encouraged my brother, be encouraged.
  • 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:16.020
  • Be encouraged, you can make it, you and your wife and your
  • 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:18.210
  • family can make it, just keep pleading the blood,
  • 00:19:18.210 --> 00:19:21.220
  • but some oil on her on the sly.
  • 00:19:21.220 --> 00:19:24.170
  • (congregation laughs)
  • 00:19:24.170 --> 00:19:27.220
  • - Send the baby over there with oil in her hair
  • 00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:30.190
  • or something.
  • 00:19:30.190 --> 00:19:32.040
  • - Yeah put some on the baby and say, "Hug your mama."
  • 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:33.220
  • and just put it right on, rub in on her.
  • 00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:36.160
  • But hey with God all things are possible.
  • 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.040
  • - [Mike] All things are possible.
  • 00:19:39.040 --> 00:19:40.130
  • - Yes sir.
  • 00:19:40.130 --> 00:19:41.080
  • - [Mike] We're just gonna take these two that's next.
  • 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:45.020
  • - [Tamela] I'm having fun, I'm having a good time.
  • 00:19:45.020 --> 00:19:46.190
  • - See this is a passion of ours so we don't get tired ya'll.
  • 00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:49.060
  • We love this and we really, really, really honored.
  • 00:19:49.060 --> 00:19:52.270
  • - We appreciate, it shows.
  • 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:54.180
  • It's authentic.
  • 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:55.260
  • - See ya'll have to tell us to get off 'cause I ain't
  • 00:19:57.090 --> 00:19:58.140
  • got to go nowhere.
  • 00:19:58.140 --> 00:19:59.180
  • (congregation laughs)
  • 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:00.260
  • I'm going back to a hotel so I'm cool.
  • 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:04.090
  • - Yes sir.
  • 00:20:04.090 --> 00:20:05.250
  • - The craziest thing is that I wanted to say to him first
  • 00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:08.070
  • was don't think you're going through that alone because
  • 00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.280
  • I can promise you that my situation is identical.
  • 00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:15.000
  • I have the scar to show it when she tried to kill me
  • 00:20:17.010 --> 00:20:19.070
  • two weeks ago.
  • 00:20:19.070 --> 00:20:20.070
  • But God.
  • 00:20:20.070 --> 00:20:21.100
  • - [David and Tamela] But God.
  • 00:20:21.100 --> 00:20:22.280
  • - See what I'm sayin' so be encouraged.
  • 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:24.220
  • - [David] Did you get a retraining order?
  • 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:26.200
  • - They denied it, said I was the one that started it
  • 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.050
  • which I wasn't.
  • 00:20:29.050 --> 00:20:30.040
  • - [David] Stay away.
  • 00:20:30.040 --> 00:20:31.080
  • - I do.
  • 00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:32.240
  • - [David] Now I'm serious 'cause I do not deal with.
  • 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.180
  • - I do, I don't.
  • 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:36.040
  • - That stuff is, stay away and that keeps you safe
  • 00:20:36.040 --> 00:20:38.280
  • and her safe.
  • 00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:40.110
  • - You may have to get somebody to be the mediator like
  • 00:20:40.110 --> 00:20:41.260
  • for instance if you don't have custody of the babies.
  • 00:20:41.260 --> 00:20:44.160
  • - [Glasses Man] Oh I do.
  • 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:45.160
  • - You do?
  • 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.000
  • - [Glasses Man] I do, I have custody of the children
  • 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.070
  • and she wants to take them from me
  • 00:20:48.070 --> 00:20:49.140
  • and it's like, and it's like I tell my parents
  • 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:50.270
  • and all my friends, divorce is not an option,
  • 00:20:50.270 --> 00:20:54.090
  • giving up on my children is not an option either.
  • 00:20:54.090 --> 00:20:57.020
  • - Yes sir. - Yeah.
  • 00:20:57.020 --> 00:20:58.150
  • - [Glasses Man] I'm fighting the exact same battle.
  • 00:20:58.150 --> 00:21:00.290
  • - So this is your ex-wife?
  • 00:21:00.290 --> 00:21:02.110
  • - [Glasses Man] My ex-wife, right.
  • 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:04.000
  • But that's not, my question was that I just wanted to let
  • 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.130
  • him know that I'm going - He's not alone.
  • 00:21:06.130 --> 00:21:08.170
  • through the same thing, right.
  • 00:21:08.170 --> 00:21:10.030
  • But you know I just put it in God's hand 'cause he's
  • 00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:11.080
  • undefeated.
  • 00:21:11.080 --> 00:21:12.030
  • - Always.
  • 00:21:12.030 --> 00:21:13.100
  • - We always win, with Jesus we always win.
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:15.210
  • God we win, you winning, the Devil think he got you
  • 00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:20.030
  • but you gonna win.
  • 00:21:20.030 --> 00:21:21.180
  • - Right, my question was that,
  • 00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:23.080
  • me and my wife's situation was like we been so low,
  • 00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:25.200
  • we've dealt through a whole lot.
  • 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.020
  • And we've been reading your book "The Marriage Made Easy",
  • 00:21:28.020 --> 00:21:30.100
  • which has been a great help to us.
  • 00:21:30.100 --> 00:21:33.060
  • We're on the part where we've wrote our five year plan
  • 00:21:33.060 --> 00:21:35.190
  • and one of our goals in the five year plan was
  • 00:21:35.190 --> 00:21:37.200
  • to be better off financially and bring our families together
  • 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.150
  • but we wanted to look into starting our own,
  • 00:21:41.150 --> 00:21:43.270
  • not our own but getting involved in a marriage ministry
  • 00:21:43.270 --> 00:21:47.050
  • to help couples that our younger, our age.
  • 00:21:47.050 --> 00:21:50.080
  • And you know people that are coming up to see that
  • 00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:51.290
  • marriage is not always great, there is some tough times
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  • to build to a great marriage so I just wanted advice
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  • on what you would give to someone looking to start
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  • a marriage ministry or get involved with one?
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  • So what advice would you have a couple like that?
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  • - That's you guys.
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  • - I think he was asking you guys.
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  • - I would think that is, excuse me, a tremendous thing
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  • to do, anytime you make your self accountable
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  • or available to minister to other couples there's a
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  • silent demand inside of that when you're ministering to
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  • other's that you're gonna have to walk the walk yourselves.
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  • So it's important like doing this as a ministry
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  • it literally forces me to walk out what I'm talking.
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  • - [Dee Dee] Yes Sir.
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  • - You following what I'm saying?
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  • So if that's, if it's an assignment I don't subscribe
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  • to your going in this without God's hand and his permission.
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  • - [Glasses Man] Right.
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  • - See we know this is a part of why we are here.
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  • We're not just products of our parents passion but we are
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  • products of the purpose of God, part of my purpose is
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  • to literally teach other couples in this covenant called
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  • marriage but inside of that there's a demand that's placed
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  • on the both of us.
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  • We've been talking this so long how dare we now even
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  • think about we're going to be splitting up.
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  • So it's, but I would never advise anyone to get involved
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  • in this without the hand of God because when you start
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  • talking, Tamela you mentioned that, when you start
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  • talking that divorce is no option, Satan is gonna make
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  • you prove it.
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  • - [Glasses Man] Right.
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  • - Because we know that with every new level
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  • there's a new Devil and he's going to test with you.
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  • - [David] And a bigger Devil.
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  • - Huh?
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  • - It's a bigger Devil.
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  • - It's a bigger Devil.
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  • - Bigger.
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  • - So if in fact it is of God I would literally submit
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  • myself to someone whose doing it well because every
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  • leader needs a leader.
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  • - [Glasses Man] Okay.
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  • - I would submit myself to someone that's doing it well,
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  • follow their instructions, it's the order or God.
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  • - [Glasses Man] Like a mentor.
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  • - And then just watch, yeah a mentor and your marriage
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  • ministry where you can literally follow their instructions,
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  • grow up in this thing and bless the world
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  • with your marriage.
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  • - [Glasses Man] Thank you.
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  • - Yeah because it's truly God's desire to take all of
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  • our marriages and lift it up in his hand as a trophy
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  • that shows the world what he intended for marriage to be
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  • like from the beginning.
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  • using a page out of his book, and tell you
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  • My wife is preparing for you ladies all over the world.
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  • but Lady Jakes is one of the speakers.
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  • She is a phenomenal woman, just a woman of God
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  • who is a mother in Zion, who can just share with you
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  • principles that have the kind of ministry
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  • and the kind of home and the kind of a relationship
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  • that a lot of you women are looking for.
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  • In addition, men, hear me, hear me good,
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  • while the ladies are doing their thing.
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  • You didn't think there was anything for you,
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  • the excitement that we have here at
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  • But GGG, you won't want to miss it, I promise you.
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  • - Draw nigh unto him, and he'll draw nigh unto you.
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  • Jesus is calling me.
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  • He's the one that delivers us.
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  • He's the one that keeps his word.
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