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November 2, 2017
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Living by Faith with Mike & DeeDee Freeman

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Marriage Made EZ: Derek & Sophia Luke's Story

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  • now imagine them right here and right here,
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  • and then there's maybe
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  • half of the room around you as well,
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  • and you're trying to do a scene together.
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  • There's nothing romantic about it.
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  • I know behind the veil.
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  • I'm not on set when he does those scenes.
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  • If so, I will go into my trailer.
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  • Or I'll just wait in there and I'll just be praying.
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  • - Oh, you don't stick around for the scene.
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  • - No, uh uh.
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  • - Oh, you can't handle it.
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  • (audience laughter) - I don't mind.
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  • He doesn't... - You can't, you can't
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  • handle it. (audience laughter)
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  • - I don't mind.
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  • - You can't handle the truth.
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  • - It's uncomfortable for Derek.
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  • - You so saved, but what about the spiritual?
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  • Ahhhhhh
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - I'm like, babe, I'm cool being there.
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  • Derek's like, that's uncomfortable for me.
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  • Today, on Living by Faith...
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  • Which are really good nuggets.
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  • You have really ministered to us a lot.
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  • And I was thinking about something earlier,
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  • and never even thought about why I even thought about this.
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  • There is an approach or a therapy that is given
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  • when you go to different therapists,
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  • and it's called a narrative therapy.
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  • Narrative therapy,
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  • but you can already see what that is.
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  • It's about story.
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  • It's like if you go to a therapist,
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  • they're gonna introduce you to narrative therapy,
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  • what they would do is have you to discuss your story,
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  • to just tell your story.
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  • They want you to tell it in story form,
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  • and they don't want you to take anything out.
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  • But then what they will do is to direct you to
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  • the negative parts in the story,
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  • and they will help you to rewrite your story.
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  • And it gives you another perspective on your story,
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  • because most of the time, we look at our story as
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  • a big picture, like how it is opposed to
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  • allowing somebody else to hear us tell our story,
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  • so we can really start thinking about
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  • is this really our story?
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  • And what happens is, it allows you to look at
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  • your spouse in a different way
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  • because you begin to separate the person
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  • from the problem, if you will.
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  • It's like just storytelling.
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  • And I'm thinking about you guys,
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  • and you're in the story.
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  • You're in the movies, you're in creating your own world,
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  • and if I could really introduce that to you all,
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  • it's like,
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  • you're looking at their story
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  • and you're hearing their story,
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  • what does your story look like?
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  • And is it the story that you would want to tell everybody?
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  • And listen to it and allow others to interject
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  • and to cause you to maybe rewrite parts of your story,
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  • so you can have the story that you want to have
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  • so you can present it the way God wants us to present it.
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  • Because all of us in our lives have something in our story
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  • that we don't like.
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  • But it's like, okay, how can we rewrite that
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  • that part of our story to be able to minister
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  • to somebody else?
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  • And so I think this is great because all you've been doing
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  • is telling us your story.
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  • - [Mike] Telling us your story.
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  • - You've been telling your story, and so I know
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  • I've received, and I know they have received tonight.
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  • - How do they rewrite their story?
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  • - They rewrite their story because,
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  • most of the time, we look at individuals as the problem.
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  • Like, if I'm telling my story,
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  • before I tell my story,
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  • I'm already seeing you as my problem.
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  • But once I communicate my problem,
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  • I realize that you really aren't my problem.
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  • It's what you do is the problem.
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  • - Okay, the Bible.
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  • We wrestle not against flesh and blood.
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  • - Flesh and blood.
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  • - Let's throw some Scripture in there.
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  • - But against powers, principalities, powers in high places.
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  • - That's what?
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  • - Rulers of darkness, or however it goes.
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  • So we can rewrite it with our words,
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  • the words of our mouth, and our actions.
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  • - By going to the box and there's bills
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  • and now I'm rewriting my story by saying,
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  • checks in the mail.
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  • I open my closet doors and speak Gucci, Gucci, Gucci
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • come forth.
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  • Man, you guys...
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  • You're going to probably consider me carnal,
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  • but I asked you about Cookie.
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  • - Ooh, can I give you part two?
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  • - Oh yeah.
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  • - One, there was two, and then there's a three.
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  • You said there's three things.
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  • We know you pray for him in 2020.
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  • (laughter)
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  • So God is the only one in our tomorrow right now.
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  • You got him covered for years to come.
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  • Awesome.
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  • Number two, you didn't get to.
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  • You know, cause Cookie homegirl.
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  • She was raised right here.
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  • - [Derek] Oh really?
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  • - Her father attended this ministry.
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  • - [Derek] Oh wow.
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  • - We funeralized him.
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  • - [Derek] Really?
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  • - Yeah, and so
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  • when I saw you hanging out with Cookie,
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  • and then you grabbed him one time, you know...
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • And I'm thinking, what is Sophie feeling now?
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  • How does the wife handle that kind of thing?
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  • Okay, see, we know you've got him covered in prayer.
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  • - So I'm a Lamborghini, right?
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  • - Yeah, a Ferrari.
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  • - A Ferrari, excuse me.
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  • And then there's things that ladies know,
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  • you know, like there's just a little too much like
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  • in this scene.
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  • You just sense that, and that's when
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  • that's when my wheel start going vroom!
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  • - Does he listen to that?
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  • - Yes, he does.
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  • - When you come and say, look D, that was just
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  • a little bit too much.
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  • - [Sophia] Yes, yes.
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  • - He doesn't call you jealous, or you're insecure?
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  • - No, no, no, never.
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  • He's like, honey, how do you feel about this?
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  • Derek, I'm telling you, this man is such a gentleman.
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  • - But did you see him up in the cabin when it was snowing?
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - Yes, and you know what I was saying to him?
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  • I said, babe. (audience laughter)
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  • - You saw that scene?
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  • - My whole thing is, babe...
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • You're gonna laugh at this, but it's the truth.
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  • I'll tell you about one set where I drove off.
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  • I drove off set and I'll tell you what the Lord told me,
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  • but this to address that.
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  • In that scene, I was like, Babe, you got to make it look
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  • really real, like it's got to be
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  • to me, I know what as an actor
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  • what is real and what's not.
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  • And when I saw the scene, I was like, that wasn't real.
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  • It's gotta be real, babe.
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  • And to me, there's an anointing on Derek
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  • and a grace on him, because I've covered him,
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  • because God's telling me how to cover him,
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  • that I'm not like
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  • there's no movement, and if there's any fear in there,
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  • I'm like, wait a second, where's my faith level, number one,
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  • and number two is,
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  • Okay, is there an open door somewhere that I need to check?
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  • But there's majority of the time, there's that peace.
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  • However...
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  • - Okay, but.
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  • - And I want Derek to always be his best that he can be,
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  • and if there's something that's hindering that moment
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  • in time in a scene,
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  • see these cameras here,
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  • now imagine them right here and right here,
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  • and then there's maybe
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  • half of the room around you as well,
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  • and you're trying to do a scene together.
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  • There's nothing romantic about it.
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  • I know behind the veil.
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  • I'm not on set when he does those scenes.
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  • If so, I will go into my trailer.
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  • Or I'll just wait in there and I'll just be praying.
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  • - Oh, you don't stick around for the scene.
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  • - No, uh uh.
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  • - Oh, you can't handle it.
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  • - Oh, you can't handle it.
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  • (audience laughter) - I don't mind.
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  • He doesn't... - You can't, you can't
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  • handle it. (audience laughter)
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  • - I don't mind.
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  • - You can't handle the truth.
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  • - It's uncomfortable for Derek.
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  • - You so saved, but what about the spiritual?
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  • Ahhhhhh
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - I'm like, babe, I'm cool being there.
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  • Derek's like, that's uncomfortable for me.
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  • Derek's like, that's uncomfortable for me.
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  • And I can't explain it, it's just a supernatural anointing.
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  • But let me tell you the flipside.
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  • - Okay, let's go flipside.
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  • - So one day, one time in this particular movie,
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  • I was sensing a little more vibrations from the girl
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  • then like... - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  • That's the part we want to hear right there.
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  • - Something isn't right here. (audience laughter)
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  • Something isn't right here.
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  • I was about to take off my heels.
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it!
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  • - Something just wasn't right.
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  • And so I'm like, Man, I'm pissed, and--
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  • - Can you say pissed in ministry?
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  • - Yeah, you can say pissed.
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  • - You can say pissed?
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  • - You can say pissed.
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  • It's in the Bible, it's in the Bible.
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - I was very upset.
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  • - I wouldn't say pissed.
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  • - I was very upset, excuse me.
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  • - You getting too comfortable.
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  • - Just call it pissed, I was pissed.
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - I was very upset.
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  • Excuse me, my apologies.
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  • - No, no, no (chuckle).
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  • DeeDee says it all the time.
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - I do.
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  • - My apologies.
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  • So uhm, the director was pushing the scene,
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  • pushing the actors,
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  • but I still didn't have that...
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  • I just didn't feel good about it,
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  • and I'm in the trailer and I'm like,
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  • you know what, pfft, forget this, I'm outta here.
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  • I got in my car, I drove halfway down the freeway,
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  • and the Holy Spirit was like, you need to turn right back.
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  • Don't ever leave.
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  • Don't ever leave your husband's side ever.
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  • This will all work out.
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  • And so we had a conversation about it,
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  • and I was like, honey, to me, that went way too far.
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  • We need to have a conversation with the directors.
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  • I felt this, and I think it crossed the line for me.
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  • And Derek is always gracious.
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  • He's never yelled at me for that.
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  • He's like, Okay, honey, you're right.
  • 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:42.280
  • I apologize and I repent, and we just deal with it.
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  • - I love it.
  • 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.190
  • - Yeah, my apologies for saying the p-word.
  • 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:48.210
  • - Girl, I say it, it's in the Bible.
  • 00:09:48.210 --> 00:09:50.120
  • - I'm watching it and I'm saying,
  • 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.140
  • He's supposed to be saved!
  • 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:54.040
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:09:54.040 --> 00:09:55.050
  • Any of y'all ever looked at it?
  • 00:09:55.050 --> 00:09:56.130
  • He's so saved, he ain't that saved.
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  • Look at him and Cookie Lyon.
  • 00:09:57.160 --> 00:09:59.290
  • Cookie Lyon and Derek.
  • 00:09:59.290 --> 00:10:02.010
  • - And Cookie's amazing.
  • 00:10:02.010 --> 00:10:03.190
  • The majority, like 98% of the women,
  • 00:10:03.190 --> 00:10:07.010
  • they're gracious, we talk, we have conversation,
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:11.200
  • and they're like how you feel, is this okay in this?
  • 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.170
  • And I'm like, guys, this is about the scene.
  • 00:10:13.170 --> 00:10:15.280
  • It's not about feelings and all that, just squash it.
  • 00:10:15.280 --> 00:10:18.190
  • She's lovely, amazing.
  • 00:10:18.190 --> 00:10:20.140
  • - So how does it feel to you, Derek?
  • 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:23.290
  • - How does it feel to you, Derek?
  • 00:10:23.290 --> 00:10:25.120
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:26.250
  • - You just smiling.
  • 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:28.030
  • - Is there a line, do you sense like,
  • 00:10:28.030 --> 00:10:30.240
  • God, this isn't...?
  • 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:32.230
  • I mean, how does the acting piece align with
  • 00:10:32.230 --> 00:10:37.000
  • this is a role?
  • 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:38.070
  • I was talking to Denzel about
  • 00:10:40.170 --> 00:10:42.190
  • that last shoot em up.
  • 00:10:42.190 --> 00:10:45.030
  • - [Sophia] Training Day.
  • 00:10:45.030 --> 00:10:45.280
  • - Training Day.
  • 00:10:45.280 --> 00:10:47.120
  • File mouth, I'm saying what did Bishop say to you
  • 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.210
  • after that movie?
  • 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:51.030
  • - [Derek] What'd he say?
  • 00:10:52.020 --> 00:10:53.210
  • - He said, Brother, I'm an actor.
  • 00:10:53.210 --> 00:10:56.140
  • This is what I've been called of God to do.
  • 00:10:57.190 --> 00:11:00.240
  • And so, I do my role and it's just my role.
  • 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.170
  • When they say cut, I'm born again.
  • 00:11:03.170 --> 00:11:05.270
  • But is there a line that you guys feel
  • 00:11:05.270 --> 00:11:09.130
  • in your roles that may
  • 00:11:09.130 --> 00:11:11.080
  • I guess this is when the interview get tough right here.
  • 00:11:13.290 --> 00:11:16.230
  • That may send the wrong message as a believer?
  • 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:20.180
  • How have you dealt with that?
  • 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.180
  • Because I'm sitting there, I'm like, my man,
  • 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:27.160
  • I just saw him at Copeland's meeting, now,
  • 00:11:27.160 --> 00:11:29.290
  • he with Cookie.
  • 00:11:29.290 --> 00:11:30.280
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:11:30.280 --> 00:11:34.020
  • Copeland, Cookie, Copeland, Cookie.
  • 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:35.260
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:11:35.260 --> 00:11:38.260
  • - He'll chime in, so two things, one.
  • 00:11:41.150 --> 00:11:43.170
  • (laughter)
  • 00:11:43.170 --> 00:11:45.240
  • No, this is good.
  • 00:11:47.030 --> 00:11:48.280
  • This is so good.
  • 00:11:48.280 --> 00:11:50.080
  • In the Bible, you have Satan.
  • 00:11:52.050 --> 00:11:54.180
  • If Satan was to be portrayed, who would portray him?
  • 00:11:56.070 --> 00:12:00.210
  • Like, who would do it and how would they portray him?
  • 00:12:00.210 --> 00:12:02.190
  • Would he be like, Oh yes, it's so great.
  • 00:12:02.190 --> 00:12:06.010
  • - How bout that?
  • 00:12:06.010 --> 00:12:07.080
  • You got to get in total character.
  • 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.050
  • - You have to be, somebody plays the devil.
  • 00:12:09.050 --> 00:12:12.020
  • - I don't know if I could play the devil, though.
  • 00:12:12.020 --> 00:12:13.230
  • - Right, and this is it too.
  • 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:15.170
  • You know the Holy Spirit is your guide and your comforter
  • 00:12:15.170 --> 00:12:18.220
  • and your gauge.
  • 00:12:18.220 --> 00:12:19.280
  • There's been things that we have turned down
  • 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:21.130
  • with big dollar signs on it, but the Holy Spirit was like,
  • 00:12:21.130 --> 00:12:24.090
  • that's not for you. - [Mike] Really?
  • 00:12:24.090 --> 00:12:25.080
  • - Yeah, that's not, that's not.
  • 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.170
  • And just so having that step-by-step
  • 00:12:27.170 --> 00:12:31.030
  • personal relationship with Christ,
  • 00:12:31.030 --> 00:12:32.180
  • and knowing what to do and what not to do.
  • 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:35.090
  • The second thing is,
  • 00:12:35.090 --> 00:12:36.190
  • Denzel did Training Day, was it after?
  • 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:39.240
  • Before Antwone Fisher?
  • 00:12:41.110 --> 00:12:42.170
  • - It was before.
  • 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:43.110
  • - Just before
  • 00:12:43.110 --> 00:12:44.170
  • just before Antwone Fisher, so
  • 00:12:44.170 --> 00:12:47.040
  • the first time that Derek introduced me to Denzel,
  • 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:51.010
  • he was in the process of casting the female lead
  • 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:54.230
  • for the Antwone Fisher story.
  • 00:12:54.230 --> 00:12:57.040
  • And he just was so open and amazing and warm,
  • 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:00.130
  • and I walked up to him, and he's so generous.
  • 00:13:00.130 --> 00:13:02.290
  • He's such a good man.
  • 00:13:02.290 --> 00:13:04.220
  • And he walks me into the room,
  • 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:09.080
  • and he was asking my opinion about these two girls,
  • 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.000
  • and as we proceeded,
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.020
  • he then just hops on the subject of Training Day.
  • 00:13:14.020 --> 00:13:16.280
  • Cause we know that Denzel is a Christian as well.
  • 00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:19.220
  • And he's just giving information like freely,
  • 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:23.040
  • and he said, a lot of Christians are bashing me
  • 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:26.140
  • because I did this intense movie.
  • 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:29.000
  • But you know what God told me?
  • 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.070
  • Or, he didn't say what God told me, thank you Holy Spirit,
  • 00:13:31.070 --> 00:13:33.270
  • He said after I got done reading the script,
  • 00:13:33.270 --> 00:13:37.270
  • I put this in my heart to write down the scripture
  • 00:13:37.270 --> 00:13:41.120
  • that comes to my heart that conveys
  • 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.290
  • the vision of the script.
  • 00:13:42.290 --> 00:13:45.020
  • He said he read the script, he turned it over,
  • 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:47.060
  • and he wrote down on it the wages of sin is death.
  • 00:13:47.060 --> 00:13:51.090
  • So he wanted to be the epitome of the wages of sin.
  • 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:54.020
  • He wanted to be the epitome of sin in that movie.
  • 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:58.170
  • And at the end, apparently they wanted
  • 00:13:58.170 --> 00:14:00.200
  • to do a Training Day Part 2,
  • 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.190
  • and Denzel, his whole take was, do you remember how he died?
  • 00:14:03.190 --> 00:14:08.090
  • He didn't just die with a bullet.
  • 00:14:08.090 --> 00:14:09.230
  • He was like, make me really die because that's what happens
  • 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:12.120
  • when you sin.
  • 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.030
  • The wages of sin is death.
  • 00:14:14.030 --> 00:14:16.200
  • So that's what happened.
  • 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.250
  • - Yeah, he didn't go into all of that.
  • 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:20.290
  • That's for sure.
  • 00:14:20.290 --> 00:14:22.090
  • - [Sophia] Yeah, that's what he shared with us.
  • 00:14:23.150 --> 00:14:24.260
  • - He must've got that revelation after he talked to me.
  • 00:14:24.260 --> 00:14:29.120
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.020
  • No because it's progressive.
  • 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:32.250
  • Revelation is progressive.
  • 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:35.190
  • And a lot of times, you'll get involved in something
  • 00:14:35.190 --> 00:14:38.090
  • and you'll never know
  • 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:40.040
  • what God had in store for it later for you to minister
  • 00:14:40.040 --> 00:14:43.230
  • right out of the crucible of an event
  • 00:14:43.230 --> 00:14:46.190
  • that you thought was so horrible.
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:49.110
  • And he has taken the evil and turned it around for his good.
  • 00:14:50.250 --> 00:14:54.230
  • Which is powerful, talk to me.
  • 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.190
  • - Well...
  • 00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:58.140
  • - [Mike] Which part are we talking about?
  • 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:03.050
  • - Uhm...Cookie.
  • 00:15:03.050 --> 00:15:04.120
  • - [Mike] Okay, talking about Cookie.
  • 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:08.220
  • - I've never ever gotten so much...
  • 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:11.190
  • - [Mike] Did you?
  • 00:15:13.090 --> 00:15:15.100
  • - Gotten so much...
  • 00:15:15.100 --> 00:15:16.230
  • - [Mike] Really?
  • 00:15:16.230 --> 00:15:18.130
  • - [DeeDee] (laughing) What? - So much feedback.
  • 00:15:18.130 --> 00:15:19.260
  • - I know, I know, I'm right there with you, but...
  • 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:22.020
  • - Cookie's (inaudible). - [Mike] Really?
  • 00:15:22.020 --> 00:15:26.140
  • - But Empire, just in general,
  • 00:15:26.140 --> 00:15:28.290
  • had opened up a whole new
  • 00:15:30.030 --> 00:15:32.060
  • space for me as an actor.
  • 00:15:33.280 --> 00:15:36.000
  • Empire wasn't something that I looked at in the script
  • 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:43.020
  • and said, Man, I just want to do this.
  • 00:15:43.020 --> 00:15:44.250
  • For me, doing
  • 00:15:44.250 --> 00:15:45.280
  • Antwone Fisher-type roles, and Sidney Portier, and Denzel,
  • 00:15:48.290 --> 00:15:53.040
  • and doing all those films to me is where my heart.
  • 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:59.140
  • And the guys that I look up to,
  • 00:16:00.170 --> 00:16:02.020
  • Denzel, Pacino, and Jeffrey Hunter, I didn't know them
  • 00:16:02.020 --> 00:16:05.200
  • as lovers on screen, I knew them as actors.
  • 00:16:06.250 --> 00:16:10.070
  • And I never even thought about
  • 00:16:11.150 --> 00:16:14.000
  • being a romantic anything on screen.
  • 00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:17.280
  • The whole romantic came in
  • 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.220
  • when a script would come or my wife would mention it
  • 00:16:21.220 --> 00:16:25.010
  • and go like...
  • 00:16:25.010 --> 00:16:26.060
  • Baggage Claim was the first?
  • 00:16:27.260 --> 00:16:30.150
  • So we did Baggage Claim,
  • 00:16:30.150 --> 00:16:32.210
  • and I was like,
  • 00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:34.070
  • I read the script,
  • 00:16:34.070 --> 00:16:36.090
  • but all I'm thinking is man, there's kissing in there.
  • 00:16:36.090 --> 00:16:38.190
  • And then I was like, Babe, here, read the script.
  • 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:41.060
  • (laughter)
  • 00:16:41.060 --> 00:16:42.100
  • Because I'm getting a witness,
  • 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:45.000
  • but I'm like, look, there's kissing in this, I don't...
  • 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.250
  • And for me, the professional aspect of acting is when...
  • 00:16:48.250 --> 00:16:53.000
  • Taraji has probably been one of the most professional
  • 00:16:56.060 --> 00:17:00.110
  • actors, let alone actresses, that I've ever worked with.
  • 00:17:00.110 --> 00:17:03.000
  • She knows her craft,
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.200
  • and she knows,
  • 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:07.270
  • I hope she don't mind me saying this,
  • 00:17:09.010 --> 00:17:10.050
  • but she understands
  • 00:17:10.050 --> 00:17:11.270
  • the gender side of it, but the way she holds herself
  • 00:17:11.270 --> 00:17:16.020
  • is a testament to where she is today.
  • 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:19.050
  • And so in doing that scene with her,
  • 00:17:20.130 --> 00:17:23.260
  • I'm sort of jumping, Baggage Claim,
  • 00:17:23.260 --> 00:17:26.060
  • the way that the Holy Spirit would always guide me,
  • 00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:30.220
  • to play the role, you got to play the role.
  • 00:17:30.220 --> 00:17:33.120
  • But to
  • 00:17:33.120 --> 00:17:34.070
  • act the role, or faith the role,
  • 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:38.190
  • it's something totally different.
  • 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:39.240
  • Because moment by moment, you're believing
  • 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.290
  • for what you need for that moment.
  • 00:17:42.290 --> 00:17:44.210
  • It's like ministry.
  • 00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:46.170
  • And so, I remember in Baggage Claim
  • 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:49.150
  • and other movies where it could require
  • 00:17:51.190 --> 00:17:54.170
  • me and that actress to spend more time than that's needed.
  • 00:17:54.170 --> 00:17:58.220
  • But the Lord kind of set the stage in the audition.
  • 00:18:00.070 --> 00:18:02.130
  • In the audition, sometimes, you guys,
  • 00:18:02.130 --> 00:18:03.290
  • are called chemistry reads.
  • 00:18:03.290 --> 00:18:05.170
  • It's to find out whether you and that other actress
  • 00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:08.090
  • or actor is vibing.
  • 00:18:08.090 --> 00:18:09.270
  • And I walked in,
  • 00:18:11.010 --> 00:18:13.040
  • instructions of my wife,
  • 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:15.250
  • and the Holy Spirit (chuckle),
  • 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:17.190
  • sometimes the same thing. - I'm always giving you
  • 00:18:17.190 --> 00:18:19.170
  • the ad-libs saying, Derek, do this with her hair.
  • 00:18:19.170 --> 00:18:21.210
  • It looks really good on camera.
  • 00:18:21.210 --> 00:18:22.250
  • - So I walked in,
  • 00:18:22.250 --> 00:18:24.280
  • and I was the least favorite for that role.
  • 00:18:24.280 --> 00:18:28.220
  • And that's why they asked me to read.
  • 00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:30.150
  • And I remember,
  • 00:18:30.150 --> 00:18:31.230
  • and when I read for her,
  • 00:18:33.260 --> 00:18:35.110
  • I just sensed like an anointing came.
  • 00:18:35.110 --> 00:18:38.280
  • And I'm like, but why?
  • 00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:40.120
  • It's kissing (chuckle).
  • 00:18:40.120 --> 00:18:41.270
  • And so, the Lord was like, I will keep you,
  • 00:18:41.270 --> 00:18:45.090
  • I will establish you,
  • 00:18:45.090 --> 00:18:47.020
  • I will never put you in a situation to compromise.
  • 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:51.280
  • And so, what I'm setting up is
  • 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:55.030
  • as you shoot these movies and shoot this movie,
  • 00:18:55.030 --> 00:18:57.270
  • you don't have to close your distance
  • 00:18:57.270 --> 00:19:01.020
  • to demonstrate the passion and love.
  • 00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:05.040
  • I'm your passion coach.
  • 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:07.010
  • - [Audience Member] Whoo!
  • 00:19:08.090 --> 00:19:09.240
  • - You don't have to spend time with that actress.
  • 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.040
  • - Did somebody shouting out there?
  • 00:19:12.040 --> 00:19:13.290
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:19:13.290 --> 00:19:15.280
  • - You know like... - Get your wife, man.
  • 00:19:15.280 --> 00:19:17.210
  • (audience laughter)
  • 00:19:17.210 --> 00:19:19.280
  • - She was like, Whoo!
  • 00:19:19.280 --> 00:19:21.050
  • - You don't have to cross the line
  • 00:19:21.050 --> 00:19:24.060
  • to cross the line.
  • 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:25.210
  • You can operate as this character,
  • 00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:29.230
  • but you can operate it by faith.
  • 00:19:30.250 --> 00:19:32.210
  • Because once you get in close proximity,
  • 00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:36.110
  • it's imperative that you know the law of faith.
  • 00:19:36.110 --> 00:19:39.140
  • Because you're dealing with your sense realm.
  • 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:42.090
  • And your sense realm says, Ahh, I should go home with her.
  • 00:19:42.090 --> 00:19:45.190
  • We got so much chemistry, she's feeling me, you know?
  • 00:19:45.190 --> 00:19:48.120
  • - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:49.210
  • - And then the whole thing, your spirit goes,
  • 00:19:49.210 --> 00:19:52.070
  • No, this is where it stops.
  • 00:19:52.070 --> 00:19:54.080
  • And so,
  • 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:55.030
  • I'm on screen and
  • 00:19:58.010 --> 00:19:59.140
  • it's forbidden, or we would call it method acting.
  • 00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:03.160
  • Method acting is when you just embody
  • 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.190
  • everything your character is experiencing
  • 00:20:05.190 --> 00:20:09.010
  • so that you can relive this experience.
  • 00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:12.260
  • - [Mike] Yeah, yeah, get in it.
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:13.230
  • - And get into it.
  • 00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:15.010
  • But as a spirit actor,
  • 00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:17.170
  • your character is crafted from your spirit first,
  • 00:20:17.170 --> 00:20:22.000
  • not from your method, you know?
  • 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.100
  • So I'm in this proximity with this actress,
  • 00:20:24.100 --> 00:20:27.250
  • and the Lord was like, you don't have to,
  • 00:20:27.250 --> 00:20:30.180
  • you don't have to compromise who you are
  • 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:33.280
  • in spending time with her.
  • 00:20:34.260 --> 00:20:35.230
  • I'll show up.
  • 00:20:35.230 --> 00:20:37.080
  • Because I showed up, I'm the one that got you the job,
  • 00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:39.220
  • so let me continue, let me finish the job.
  • 00:20:39.220 --> 00:20:43.280
  • So when I'm on set with her and Cookie,
  • 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:47.080
  • it was interesting because
  • 00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:49.160
  • we're acting out all this passion, but at the same time,
  • 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.190
  • the Holy Spirit is setting a perimeter
  • 00:20:53.190 --> 00:20:56.070
  • and saying, Look,
  • 00:20:56.070 --> 00:20:57.200
  • this is what you do, this is what you don't do
  • 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:59.230
  • between takes.
  • 00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:01.030
  • You don't get into any conversations.
  • 00:21:01.030 --> 00:21:03.080
  • You don't get anything off your back.
  • 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:05.130
  • You don't have casual conversations with your actress.
  • 00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:08.180
  • When they say action,
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  • then you act on your faith.
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  • - Just like the secretary at the office.
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  • - [Derek] Exactly.
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  • - Yeah, I was getting ready to say that.
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  • - You ain't going out with her.
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  • - Yeah, I was about to say what?
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - No, that was good.
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  • I was going to say something like that.
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  • - Derek said, huh? - What!
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • No, but it's imperative that no matter what we do,
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  • that we employ the laws of faith
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  • because something happens when you
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  • when you're not aware of it, and you get in
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  • what you would call a steamy scene,
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  • you don't even have to be exchanging fluid.
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  • It's the fact that two bodies are touching.
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  • And when two bodies are touching,
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  • the only thing that can separate you is spirit,
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  • you know what I'm saying?
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  • There's no guard that will stop you and say, Hey,
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  • let's take this thing to another level,
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  • because it's so real,
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  • I mean you can sense it.
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  • - I certainly did.
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  • I was like, Derek...
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - So, what I'm saying. - [Mike] Good job, Derek.
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • - Yeah, you welcome.
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  • So again,
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  • what stands out is the platform that Empire has
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  • provided spiritually was not something
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  • I could have calculated.
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  • And we have friends, I think,
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  • he wouldn't mind me, David Oyelowo?
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  • Who played Martin Luther King in Selma,
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  • we were on a farm together, and he began to share
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  • how the Lord led him to do a role,
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  • and he said this was not something that I would say,
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  • Hey, go watch me in this movie,
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  • but the outcome was that, I think that...
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  • Cause he said it publicly, so should I mention the names?
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - So I think Matthew McConaughey,
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  • I think Nicole Kidman,
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  • and all these other people was in this movie,
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  • and he wasn't playing what you would call a Christian part.
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  • But the director say, Hey listen, before we start shooting,
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  • I have what you would call a spiritual consultant
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  • that I consult with, so before I do anything,
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  • I want him to pray for us.
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  • And so the guys that were in the circle,
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  • and it was about three of four other people,
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  • probably represent some of Hollywood's even higher echelon,
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  • and after they finished praying,
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  • one of the actors came up to him and says, Hey man,
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  • man, I don't know what happened but
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  • that feeling that I got, that feels better than drugs, man.
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  • And so the Lord was just showing me, I'm bigger than
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  • the box that you put me in.
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  • Now, it's not giving you a liberty
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  • because you're responsible for the word that you hear.
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  • You're responsible for the wisdom, the understanding.
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  • You get top wisdom, you get understanding,
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  • you hear from generals.
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  • And you know your marching orders,
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  • and you know what's crossing the line.
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  • So this word is for this time and for you on those sets,
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  • and when David said that, he just kind of confirmed
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  • what I had been wrestling with because for me,
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  • I could go without the kissing scenes.
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  • I'd rather model Gary Oldman and Al Pacino.
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  • I don't even think about--
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  • I had a very hard time on Antwone Fisher.
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  • I think Denzel was behind me,
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  • I think he said, "Kiss her, man, kiss her!"
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  • (laughter)
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  • And I'm like,
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  • and it's a scene in Antwone Fisher
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  • where I kiss her and I start crying.
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  • (laughter)
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  • That wasn't acting.
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  • That was me going, Man, I got to go home, like...
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  • - I got to go home (laughter). (audience laughter)
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  • - I don't know how I'm gonna explain this thing,
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  • so hopefully I didn't dance around it.
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  • But acting has been an experience for me,
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  • because I said I would never curse in a role.
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  • I said that, but...
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  • I'm not saying God said.
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  • What I will say is that,
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  • I know that the Lord called me to do certain roles.
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  • Like Antwone was 98%
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  • - Oh my God, cussing.
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  • - More profanity than what it was.
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  • When we got the movie, it went down to 2%,
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  • and then the love scene,
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  • was heightened.
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  • We was supposed to do whatever,
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  • and then Denzel came out of the booth.
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  • He says, you know what, listen.
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  • And I had been thinking about this for months,
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  • and he looks, he says, Listen,
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  • from just what we've been doing on screen
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  • and how we've been taping it, he says look,
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  • what I'm gonna do is I'ma shoot it,
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  • and there's gonna be an insinuation that you guys
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  • were intimate.
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  • And he says I just feel like we don't need to
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  • go on through the shoot.
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  • And I'm like (sighs)
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  • (audience laughter)
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  • So, does that...?
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  • - And when the grace is there, it's there.
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  • But you know when you've crossed that grace.
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  • And that's when the hurt and the emotions start coming in,
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  • and Derek and I talk about it
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  • cause we're not perfect and we have missed it,
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  • and we have compromised and we have felt like,
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  • Man, I could've done that better.
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  • But now here you have it on camera, but
  • 00:26:38.060 --> 00:26:41.020
  • again, we just forgive ourselves and walk in faith
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  • and let the grace be greater than the mistake,
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  • and that's how we live.
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  • And we purpose in our heart to do,
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  • we love the Lord.
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  • We just want to do what he wants us to do.
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  • And we miss it like everybody else,
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  • but I sure believe that as we've grown
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  • in the things of the Lord, that we miss it less.
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  • And just keeping that grace, keeping the grace.
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  • - We have to stop.
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  • Listen, we are very, very honored,
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  • humbled. (cheering and applause)
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  • You guys represent us well
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  • as our brothers and sisters in the body.
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  • Come on, give it up.
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  • (cheering and applause)
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  • We have the right representation in Hollywood,
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  • and we're thankful that your standard is such,
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  • and that you are led by Holy Spirit,
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  • and He even led you here on tonight.
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