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Marriage Made EZ: The Donnie and Pam Simpson Story Part 1

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September 6, 2017
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Living by Faith with Mike & DeeDee Freeman

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Marriage Made EZ: The Donnie and Pam Simpson Story Part 1

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  • - Ladies and Gentleman, I believe
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  • it's a greater sin to not get back up and fight again.
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  • That's what God wants you to do.
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  • When you fall, he says rise up and go forward.
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  • (clapping)
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  • - We don't just survive things,
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  • we overcome in every area of our lives.
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  • - God has some design the human mechanism,
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  • the spirit, soul, and body
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  • that your life begins to move in the direction
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  • of what you see.
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  • - You got to visualize.
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  • You gotta verbalize.
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  • You gotta internalize until it materializes.
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  • - If you see health, your body will move in that direction.
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  • - Whew.
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  • They don't even know they got a good base.
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  • As a matter of fact, the scripture says,
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  • and have found favor when you identify your base.
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  • - Yeah, wow.
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  • Wow.
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  • Yeah, man.
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  • Well, she is that.
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  • She is my rock, man.
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  • She's always been with me.
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  • As LL Cool J said, my "around the way girl."
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  • My ride or die.
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  • I know where she stands.
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  • I can count on that, man,
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  • for the rest of my life.
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  • - [Announcer] A native of Detroit, Michigan,
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  • Donnie Simpson has been called
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  • a trailblazer and media legend.
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  • At just 15 years of age,
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  • he was the host of his own radio show.
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  • After eight years on the air in Detroit,
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  • Donnie became the morning show host and program director
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  • at WKYS in Washington, DC,
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  • where he was named program director of the year
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  • and air personality of the year by Billboard Magazine.
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  • Considered one of the nation's first video jockeys,
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  • Donnie hosted BET's ultra popular Video Soul.
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  • Donnie and his wife Pam have been married for 43 years
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  • and are the proud parents of Donnie, Jr. and Dawn
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  • and grandparents of Nora, Cooper, Ellie, and Eden.
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  • Marriage Made EZ is pleased
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  • to welcome Donnie and Pam Simpson.
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  • (cheering and applause)
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  • - Yeah!
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  • Whoop, whoop!
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  • Yeah!
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  • (laughs)
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  • - Hey.
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  • Yo brother man, come on.
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  • - [Donnie] Good to see you.
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  • - Bless you, baby.
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  • Come on, let's hear it for Donnie and Pam Simpson.
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  • (cheering and applause)
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  • - [Donnie] How are y'all?
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  • Good to see you.
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  • - Be seated, be seated.
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  • - Alright, thank you.
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  • - 43 years!
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  • - That's a long time. - 43 years.
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  • - Easy years. - Easy years!
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  • - Well, not all of 'em.
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  • (laughter)
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  • - Is that a confession? - Some of them were rough.
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  • - 43. - It's a little easier now.
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  • Now that we're old.
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  • - See, that's gonna be good.
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  • I love her.
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  • I was telling a friend this just two days ago.
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  • I don't mean to dominate this, I'm sorry.
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  • I was talking to Terry Lewis,
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  • Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.
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  • And I was telling them--
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  • - I name drop, too.
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  • - Yeah, that's cool.
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  • Yeah, yeah.
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  • - [Mike] Always dropping names.
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  • - But I was telling Terry
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  • that it's almost like I love her more now than I ever did.
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  • It's like it's just growing.
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  • To see this woman who was...
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  • This person who was my high school sweetheart
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  • now in the role of grandmother,
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  • it's just cool to see that much of someone's life.
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  • And she's so good at it,
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  • and still just the cool person that I met 47 years ago.
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  • - And that's the way at one point in time
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  • you talked about her on the radio.
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  • Her, your family, and then all of the sudden
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  • one day that just kinda stopped.
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  • And we didn't know, in fact,
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  • that there had been some type of breakdown--
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  • - You get into all of it, don't you?
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  • - [Mike] Yeah, man!
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  • - See, that's what you do.
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  • - There was some kind of breakdown of the relationship.
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  • - Smooth about it, too, y'all.
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  • - No, I mean,
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  • because you'll be amazed,
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  • Donnie and Pam, how much you are going,
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  • I already know.
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  • I already know how much you
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  • are going to bless couples in this room tonight.
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  • I already know.
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  • Already know that your story, your testimony,
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  • is going to help heal some wounds
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  • that have been given in a relationship
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  • and now people are trying to restore.
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  • Had a lot of growing to do.
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  • We were married for 19 years,
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  • and then we just started drifting apart,
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  • like a lot of couples do.
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  • - After 19 years?
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  • - Yeah, we were married for 19 years,
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  • and we had the two kids.
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  • They were teenagers at the time,
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  • which was also a difficult thing,
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  • you know, to have teenage kids and start going through that.
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  • But I just felt like we needed a break.
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  • We both had some growing to do,
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  • and you know, just some things to figure out.
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  • And we separated for three and a half years.
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  • - You felt like you needed a break?
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  • - [Pam] I think we both needed a break.
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  • - But you felt like you needed a break.
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  • - Well, things started happening,
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  • and I'm like, this is not working.
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  • - [Mike] Donnie, she quit you, man?
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  • - No, it was a--
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  • - You the GOAT!
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  • - And that probably was the problem,
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  • but that was really good.
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  • (laughs)
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  • No, no.
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  • - You said that that was probably the problem.
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  • - Uh-huh.
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  • - The GOAT ain't always the GOAT in my house, okay?
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  • - I know that, I know that.
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  • - Yeah, and that's a nugget right there.
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  • Please let me jump on that nugget.
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  • - Uh-uh, uh-uh.
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  • - You didn't let her--
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  • - [Mike] Okay, alright, alright.
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  • - DeeDee. - Thank you.
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  • - If I knew you were become the referee, Pam, I would...
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  • - Nope, that's good.
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  • about the drift, how you can drift.
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  • I've shared these things in here before about,
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  • you know, there's what we consider a healthy drift,
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  • meaning that it's not like you just...
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  • Separate and get away from each other.
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  • But it's a slow, anytime something is a drift, it's subtle.
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  • It's like...
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  • It goes under the radar.
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  • Sometimes you don't even recognize it.
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  • It's really one of the most dangerous things
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  • that can happen in a relationship,
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  • because it appears to be healthy.
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  • When other people are around you,
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  • they will look at you and say,
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  • oh wow, they got a good relationship!
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  • And so then when you separate, it shocks people.
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  • Have you ever noticed anybody or know anyone
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  • that's gone through that?
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  • And you be like, what?
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  • What happened?
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  • They didn't even realize that they were separated.
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  • Because just about...
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  • Statistics say that most relationships,
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  • well really, it says all,
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  • but I would choose to disagree with this part,
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  • that all relationships
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  • go through some type of dissatisfaction
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  • because they haven't surveyed everybody,
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  • so there's no way to just make that a blanket statement.
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  • But dissatisfaction will occur in some relationships,
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  • and if you don't deal with that, you will get to the place
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  • where you'll say,
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  • you know, I need a break.
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  • I need to separate because you have separated really
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  • in your heart the whole time.
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  • - You're together but you're not together.
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  • - Wow. - Yeah, exactly.
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  • - Terry Lewis again.
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  • Terry's like my conscience,
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  • he's like that little Gazoo on your shoulder.
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  • Saying, "Brother, hey man,
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  • "you can go on, do what you wanna do, have fun.
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  • "Do it, but if you wanna know how this ends,
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  • "I'll tell you that now.
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  • "This ends with you back home.
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  • "You can't do what you're trying to do.
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  • "If you can do what you're trying to do, I don't know you.
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  • "Your makeup won't allow it."
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  • That's what Terry said to me.
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  • I'll never forget it.
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  • And he was absolutely right.
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  • My makeup wouldn't allow it, man.
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  • I need to be with my family, bruh.
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  • This is what I do.
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  • (applause)
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  • - And you guys were talking about friendship earlier?
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  • We watching you,
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  • and Terry managed,
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  • there are very few people
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  • during a period of what Donnie and I were going through
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  • that can manage to be friends with both of us.
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  • - [Mike] Terry's that guy.
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  • - Yeah, Terry's that guy,
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  • because usually people pick a side, okay?
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  • He didn't pick a side.
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  • If I needed to pick the phone up
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  • and call Terry in the middle of the night,
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  • he was there for me.
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  • And we have another friend, Donnie's best friend George,
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  • he managed to do the same thing, too,
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  • that he was friends for both of us,
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  • that they knew that we needed that,
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  • that common friendship.
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  • - Here's the objective through our discussion.
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  • I'm always interested in getting the nuggets
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  • out of what you are discussing.
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  • Successful people are always leaving clues.
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  • I don't want to pry or I don't wanna get too far,
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  • I don't wanna make you uncomfortable
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  • about what you discuss here today.
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  • However, just like that nugget,
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  • Terry is a friend who will not be biased
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  • in his friendship.
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  • There are some couples here
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  • who have friends that are biased,
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  • and either the husband or the wife
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  • can't stand them having any input
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  • in the relationship because they're one-sided.
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  • Already I've discovered through just what you have shared,
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  • if DeeDee and I are gonna have a friend,
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  • we need a friend that knows
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  • how to go straight up the middle of the road
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  • and pledge allegiance to the truth.
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  • - [Pam] Exactly, exactly.
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  • Because I don't wanna be in that area.
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  • So in the three and a half years,
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  • were you all talking a lot?
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  • - Well, we have kids together,
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  • so we had to communicate.
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  • - What kind of communicating, though?
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  • You know, it's a difference.
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  • Did you just talk kid talk,
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  • or did you talk like opportunities--
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  • - Well, it was about the kids,
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  • and then towards the end of the three and a half years...
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  • It was three years, and that's when we started talking
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  • about getting back together,
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  • and yeah, so it took about six months
  • 00:10:55.270 --> 00:10:58.080
  • for us to actually get back together.
  • 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:00.240
  • - So who made the first move in that respect?
  • 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:04.170
  • Okay, what were you thinking?
  • 00:11:05.170 --> 00:11:08.160
  • - I thought this wasn't going to be like Maury Povich.
  • 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:10.170
  • (laughter)
  • 00:11:10.170 --> 00:11:12.040
  • - Or Jerry Springer.
  • 00:11:12.040 --> 00:11:13.250
  • - [Donnie] Whoever you said.
  • 00:11:13.250 --> 00:11:16.050
  • - [Mike] I said Jerry Springer, man.
  • 00:11:17.290 --> 00:11:19.190
  • - Jerry Springer. - Yeah.
  • 00:11:19.190 --> 00:11:20.210
  • - You start getting Springer.
  • 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:21.280
  • You just bringing on the edge of your seat.
  • 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:23.130
  • So what--
  • 00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:24.080
  • - Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!
  • 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.240
  • (laughter)
  • 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.250
  • - And you got to hear-- - We just, we're ask,
  • 00:11:28.250 --> 00:11:30.150
  • oh, go ahead.
  • 00:11:30.150 --> 00:11:31.230
  • - You have to hear it in a positive,
  • 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:34.060
  • because you know most of the majority of the couples here
  • 00:11:34.060 --> 00:11:37.190
  • are married, or they either have to be married or engaged.
  • 00:11:37.190 --> 00:11:41.130
  • And it's so important sometimes to hear information
  • 00:11:41.130 --> 00:11:44.130
  • about others because it's like,
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:46.080
  • how can we not go through that?
  • 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.070
  • We tell our story all the time
  • 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:50.230
  • because we don't want people to have to go through
  • 00:11:50.230 --> 00:11:52.200
  • what we went through.
  • 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.290
  • It's like it's a fool to me to have to experience
  • 00:11:53.290 --> 00:11:57.000
  • the troubles that somebody else experienced,
  • 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.090
  • especially if we can put it out there to say,
  • 00:11:59.090 --> 00:12:01.220
  • don't do that.
  • 00:12:01.220 --> 00:12:02.270
  • Don't jump in that hole.
  • 00:12:02.270 --> 00:12:04.130
  • But then you jump in the hole and say, how did we get here?
  • 00:12:04.130 --> 00:12:07.010
  • - You can learn from other people's mistakes.
  • 00:12:07.010 --> 00:12:09.070
  • - And so that's what I'm really asking of you,
  • 00:12:09.070 --> 00:12:10.280
  • to just share so that we don't have to encounter...
  • 00:12:10.280 --> 00:12:14.140
  • I yield.
  • 00:12:14.140 --> 00:12:15.100
  • - Really, but that's why we have you here,
  • 00:12:15.130 --> 00:12:16.210
  • because of where you are today.
  • 00:12:16.210 --> 00:12:19.200
  • Because we got enough stories in here
  • 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.170
  • that we can talk about what we have gone through.
  • 00:12:22.170 --> 00:12:25.140
  • We wanna know how you overcame,
  • 00:12:25.140 --> 00:12:27.140
  • and what pushed you to the point of reconciliation?
  • 00:12:27.140 --> 00:12:31.020
  • And then did you have challenges
  • 00:12:31.020 --> 00:12:33.010
  • once you decided to come back together?
  • 00:12:33.010 --> 00:12:35.120
  • Because surely, I would be thinking there,
  • 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.230
  • okay, so who have you been with
  • 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:39.110
  • and how many women?
  • 00:12:39.110 --> 00:12:40.200
  • - Okay, DeeDee, DeeDee.
  • 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:41.260
  • - No, really. - DeeDee, DeeDee.
  • 00:12:41.260 --> 00:12:44.110
  • DeeDee.
  • 00:12:45.140 --> 00:12:46.260
  • You should have let me talk.
  • 00:12:46.260 --> 00:12:48.070
  • (laughter)
  • 00:12:48.070 --> 00:12:50.140
  • - No, but you know what I'm saying.
  • 00:12:54.070 --> 00:12:55.150
  • - So who have you been with, Donnie?
  • 00:12:55.150 --> 00:12:57.240
  • Donnie, who you been with?
  • 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.210
  • - No, and I'm not asking you to tell--
  • 00:13:00.210 --> 00:13:02.100
  • - I don't think I ever been to church like this.
  • 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:03.270
  • (laughter)
  • 00:13:03.270 --> 00:13:06.100
  • - This ain't church!
  • 00:13:06.100 --> 00:13:07.280
  • - We're talking about some keep-it-real stuff up in here.
  • 00:13:07.280 --> 00:13:11.070
  • - But you know what I'm talking about
  • 00:13:11.070 --> 00:13:12.160
  • because the enemy comes to your mind
  • 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:15.040
  • to cast blame and fault so you can separate again.
  • 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:19.030
  • And so how did you deal with--
  • 00:13:19.030 --> 00:13:21.080
  • - [Pam] It's called forgiveness.
  • 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.110
  • - That's it, talk about it.
  • 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:25.180
  • - You don't forget, and you don't, you know,
  • 00:13:27.030 --> 00:13:29.210
  • put your head in the sand somewhere
  • 00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:31.150
  • and act like something didn't happen,
  • 00:13:31.150 --> 00:13:33.170
  • but life is not just about forgiving him.
  • 00:13:33.170 --> 00:13:37.000
  • I have forgiven a lot of people in my life.
  • 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.150
  • - [Mike] I've forgiven DeeDee.
  • 00:13:42.150 --> 00:13:43.290
  • - (laughs) But that's the power within me: forgiveness.
  • 00:13:43.290 --> 00:13:47.250
  • That's what you have to do - I love it.
  • 00:13:50.110 --> 00:13:51.180
  • - Because forgiveness is for me, not for him.
  • 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:55.240
  • I do it for myself.
  • 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:56.280
  • Takes power over me, and I'm not willing to let that happen.
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:57.150
  • - Don't give 'em your power.
  • 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.220
  • - [Pam] Don't give 'em your power.
  • 00:13:58.220 --> 00:14:00.020
  • - Say, I'm taking my power back tonight.
  • 00:14:00.020 --> 00:14:02.270
  • Amen.
  • 00:14:02.270 --> 00:14:04.040
  • So I really have another question.
  • 00:14:04.040 --> 00:14:06.000
  • (laughter)
  • 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.170
  • - Come on, DeeDee.
  • 00:14:07.170 --> 00:14:09.020
  • - I thought we was gonna go back and forth, but go ahead.
  • 00:14:09.020 --> 00:14:12.020
  • - So in your forgiving,
  • 00:14:12.020 --> 00:14:13.290
  • was it ever a constant conversation that you had
  • 00:14:15.270 --> 00:14:19.270
  • in challenging him,
  • 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.030
  • or did you say, okay, I forgive
  • 00:14:23.030 --> 00:14:25.080
  • and now I want to move on?
  • 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.130
  • - Well, I mean, you deal with things,
  • 00:14:28.180 --> 00:14:30.000
  • but I didn't wanna live in the past
  • 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.060
  • because that's really how you forgive,
  • 00:14:33.060 --> 00:14:35.260
  • is to, let's move forward.
  • 00:14:35.260 --> 00:14:37.120
  • - Absolutely. - Let's see how we can
  • 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.120
  • make our marriage better.
  • 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.060
  • Let's think about the kids.
  • 00:14:41.060 --> 00:14:43.130
  • The history, what Donnie and I have,
  • 00:14:45.260 --> 00:14:49.130
  • he could not have with anybody else
  • 00:14:49.130 --> 00:14:51.070
  • because we have history.
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:54.010
  • I mean, he would have to live to be about...
  • 00:14:54.010 --> 00:14:56.220
  • How old are you gonna live to be?
  • 00:14:56.220 --> 00:14:58.200
  • - 137. - Okay.
  • 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:59.250
  • - That's my number. - He ain't even halfway there,
  • 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:04.100
  • but we have history
  • 00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:06.170
  • and now we have the grandkids.
  • 00:15:06.170 --> 00:15:08.140
  • And you talk about the biggest blessing there is,
  • 00:15:08.140 --> 00:15:11.040
  • is your-- - But she said that,
  • 00:15:11.040 --> 00:15:12.210
  • excuse me, Pam.
  • 00:15:12.210 --> 00:15:13.280
  • She said that with so much confidence.
  • 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:16.170
  • What we have, and what we have acquired,
  • 00:15:16.170 --> 00:15:20.180
  • we've acquired together.
  • 00:15:20.180 --> 00:15:22.050
  • And like you wouldn't be able to do that without her.
  • 00:15:22.050 --> 00:15:26.030
  • because that's very good.
  • 00:15:26.030 --> 00:15:26.150
  • That confidence came from somewhere.
  • 00:15:26.290 --> 00:15:28.130
  • That wasn't a cockiness, like, you wouldn't be.
  • 00:15:28.130 --> 00:15:31.250
  • You can tell that has been reassured--
  • 00:15:31.250 --> 00:15:33.060
  • - The way you show that.
  • 00:15:33.060 --> 00:15:35.080
  • - Well, let me just say that...
  • 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.090
  • From the beginning, this kind of history,
  • 00:15:38.090 --> 00:15:41.040
  • you're not talking about just years we spent together.
  • 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:45.090
  • I took her out of her situation out of college
  • 00:15:46.190 --> 00:15:48.190
  • to come back and live, to be with me.
  • 00:15:48.190 --> 00:15:51.060
  • We didn't live together,
  • 00:15:51.060 --> 00:15:52.120
  • she was staying with her father then.
  • 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:53.150
  • But I'm still in college.
  • 00:15:53.150 --> 00:15:56.040
  • This woman, man, I'm in bed asleep,
  • 00:15:56.040 --> 00:15:58.140
  • she's up typing my papers.
  • 00:15:58.140 --> 00:16:00.030
  • - 'Cause he didn't know how to type.
  • 00:16:00.030 --> 00:16:01.090
  • - 'Til 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning.
  • 00:16:01.090 --> 00:16:02.150
  • Yeah, because I didn't know how to type.
  • 00:16:02.150 --> 00:16:03.250
  • It's gotta be typed.
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:05.090
  • She was up doing that with a little baby at home.
  • 00:16:05.090 --> 00:16:07.290
  • I mean, life started so early for us.
  • 00:16:07.290 --> 00:16:11.010
  • We were 19 when we were married,
  • 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:14.230
  • had our first child one year, and two days later,
  • 00:16:14.230 --> 00:16:16.260
  • I'm in college trying to graduate and stuff.
  • 00:16:16.260 --> 00:16:21.100
  • I had my career going.
  • 00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:22.150
  • I've been on the radio since I was 15.
  • 00:16:22.150 --> 00:16:26.010
  • It was just so much.
  • 00:16:26.010 --> 00:16:28.010
  • So she helped me to get through college,
  • 00:16:28.010 --> 00:16:29.290
  • and just all kinds of stuff.
  • 00:16:29.290 --> 00:16:32.090
  • Here I go again.
  • 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:35.210
  • Gazoo.
  • 00:16:35.210 --> 00:16:36.280
  • Like Terry Lewis was saying,
  • 00:16:36.280 --> 00:16:38.170
  • one of the reasons you're so successful
  • 00:16:38.170 --> 00:16:40.100
  • is because you had your base so early.
  • 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:43.150
  • It was already set.
  • 00:16:46.010 --> 00:16:47.250
  • - Had your base so early.
  • 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:50.150
  • - You had your base so early.
  • 00:16:50.150 --> 00:16:52.170
  • You weren't out there looking for somebody,
  • 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:54.050
  • for a woman and all that stuff
  • 00:16:54.050 --> 00:16:55.140
  • that me and Jimmy are going through,
  • 00:16:55.140 --> 00:16:56.220
  • all that kinda stuff, man.
  • 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:57.260
  • Your base was set.
  • 00:16:57.260 --> 00:16:59.040
  • You got family, everything, man.
  • 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:01.010
  • You focused on career and family and life.
  • 00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:04.260
  • That was a tremendous advantage for me.
  • 00:17:04.260 --> 00:17:05.220
  • (laughter)
  • 00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:06.190
  • I've had my base so early.
  • 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:08.240
  • It's so good to have a good base so early.
  • 00:17:10.070 --> 00:17:13.090
  • And some cats don't even know they got a good base.
  • 00:17:13.090 --> 00:17:16.280
  • (laughter)
  • 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:18.110
  • They don't even know they got a good base.
  • 00:17:18.110 --> 00:17:20.010
  • As a matter of fact, the scripture says,
  • 00:17:20.010 --> 00:17:22.070
  • and have found favor when you identify your base.
  • 00:17:22.070 --> 00:17:26.090
  • - Yeah, wow.
  • 00:17:27.110 --> 00:17:28.250
  • Wow.
  • 00:17:28.250 --> 00:17:29.260
  • Yeah, man.
  • 00:17:29.260 --> 00:17:30.250
  • Well, she is that.
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:32.020
  • She is my rock, man.
  • 00:17:32.020 --> 00:17:34.130
  • She's always been with me.
  • 00:17:34.130 --> 00:17:36.070
  • As LL Cool J said, my "around the way girl."
  • 00:17:36.070 --> 00:17:40.110
  • My ride or die.
  • 00:17:40.110 --> 00:17:41.180
  • I know where she stands.
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:45.200
  • I can count on that, man,
  • 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.040
  • for the rest of my life.
  • 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:47.200
  • I have total faith in that.
  • 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.110
  • I look at the woman that she has become.
  • 00:17:49.110 --> 00:17:53.020
  • It's all a learning process.
  • 00:17:53.020 --> 00:17:55.120
  • I remember I had a guy coming on my show,
  • 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.090
  • I don't remember his name, but he wrote the book,
  • 00:17:58.090 --> 00:18:01.040
  • Women Are from Venus and Men Are from Mars
  • 00:18:01.040 --> 00:18:02.270
  • or whatever it was.
  • 00:18:02.270 --> 00:18:04.080
  • - Gary Smalley. - Right.
  • 00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:06.080
  • So I remember one of the sections in there
  • 00:18:06.080 --> 00:18:09.120
  • he was talking about how when a woman tells you...
  • 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:14.110
  • She's telling you what she's going through
  • 00:18:14.110 --> 00:18:16.250
  • at work or whatever, I've got these issues,
  • 00:18:16.250 --> 00:18:18.120
  • then she doesn't want you to fix it.
  • 00:18:18.120 --> 00:18:21.180
  • She just wants to tell you.
  • 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:23.100
  • She's gonna fix it.
  • 00:18:23.100 --> 00:18:24.210
  • - Just want you to listen.
  • 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:25.290
  • - Just want you to listen, that's all.
  • 00:18:25.290 --> 00:18:27.130
  • And I was that,
  • 00:18:27.130 --> 00:18:29.050
  • I wanted to be her superhero, you know.
  • 00:18:29.050 --> 00:18:31.080
  • And she would sometimes think
  • 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:32.240
  • that I was not listening
  • 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.000
  • because I've already shifted into fix-it mode.
  • 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:39.050
  • I'mma fix this for you, baby.
  • 00:18:39.050 --> 00:18:41.050
  • I got this.
  • 00:18:41.050 --> 00:18:42.050
  • But when I read that excerpt,
  • 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:43.150
  • that was so significant to me
  • 00:18:43.150 --> 00:18:45.050
  • because it taught me to listen and to back up,
  • 00:18:45.050 --> 00:18:47.260
  • that she's woman enough.
  • 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:49.110
  • She's got this, she can handle this.
  • 00:18:49.110 --> 00:18:51.130
  • She doesn't need me to handle this.
  • 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:52.180
  • She's got it.
  • 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:53.200
  • But with that, the bigger thing
  • 00:18:55.030 --> 00:18:57.000
  • was that that took my level of respect for her
  • 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.270
  • to a whole different level.
  • 00:19:02.270 --> 00:19:04.290
  • And then I respected her for who she was.
  • 00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:08.200
  • She didn't have to have me.
  • 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:09.240
  • She's got this.
  • 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.280
  • She's woman on her own.
  • 00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:12.250
  • She can handle on it.
  • 00:19:13.270 --> 00:19:15.030
  • And it's just a really cool place to be.
  • 00:19:15.030 --> 00:19:18.070
  • There was a lot of growth in that for me.
  • 00:19:19.110 --> 00:19:20.180
  • One of the reasons why my ministry, along with my wife,
  • 00:19:21.150 --> 00:19:25.200
  • is so successful: we are so transparent.
  • 00:19:26.260 --> 00:19:29.250
  • First of all, I've divorced myself
  • 00:19:34.270 --> 00:19:36.150
  • from the opinions of people.
  • 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:38.250
  • And what people say about us doesn't even matter,
  • 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:44.110
  • 'cause I'm still jumping on private jets,
  • 00:19:44.110 --> 00:19:47.050
  • I'm still living in my home,
  • 00:19:47.050 --> 00:19:48.230
  • I'm still driving the way I wanna drive,
  • 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:50.260
  • eat like I wanna eat, live like I wanna live.
  • 00:19:50.260 --> 00:19:54.040
  • I'm not concerned.
  • 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:55.040
  • People are gonna talk about you
  • 00:19:55.040 --> 00:19:56.190
  • whether you're doing good, bad, or nothing at all.
  • 00:19:56.190 --> 00:20:00.030
  • God knows my heart,
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:01.160
  • and it is my intent to really bring people
  • 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:05.050
  • and especially their relationship to another level
  • 00:20:05.050 --> 00:20:08.260
  • through our experience.
  • 00:20:08.260 --> 00:20:10.150
  • That's why I talk about the puredee hell
  • 00:20:10.150 --> 00:20:13.160
  • that DeeDee and I have been through,
  • 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.190
  • some of the nights where we didn't get any sleep,
  • 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:18.260
  • tossing and turning, I'm throwing stuff,
  • 00:20:18.260 --> 00:20:20.240
  • she's screaming, hollering, acting the cold fool.
  • 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.110
  • This girl from southeast Washington, DC.
  • 00:20:23.110 --> 00:20:26.260
  • - 'Nuff said.
  • 00:20:26.260 --> 00:20:27.260
  • (laughter)
  • 00:20:27.260 --> 00:20:30.040
  • Mine from Detroit.
  • 00:20:31.190 --> 00:20:33.040
  • - D Style!
  • 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:35.130
  • (laughs)
  • 00:20:35.130 --> 00:20:37.150
  • - And so inside of this,
  • 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:41.210
  • Donnie, your book would be such an incredible inspiration.
  • 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:45.260
  • Like in the article you mentioned,
  • 00:20:48.040 --> 00:20:50.250
  • going back home is more than just packing your bags
  • 00:20:50.250 --> 00:20:53.140
  • and showing up.
  • 00:20:53.140 --> 00:20:55.020
  • - That's good.
  • 00:20:55.020 --> 00:20:57.010
  • - You just can't pack your bags, put some stuff together,
  • 00:20:57.010 --> 00:20:59.170
  • say, baby, I'm coming home.
  • 00:20:59.170 --> 00:21:00.230
  • - Oh, I'm back!
  • 00:21:00.230 --> 00:21:01.230
  • - You talked about the work--
  • 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:02.280
  • - But you know, that's what I thought.
  • 00:21:02.280 --> 00:21:04.160
  • I'mma tell you that.
  • 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.090
  • - Yeah, let's talk, Donnie!
  • 00:21:06.090 --> 00:21:07.100
  • Donnie, let's talk!
  • 00:21:07.100 --> 00:21:08.280
  • - I really did.
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  • You want the pain?
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  • First of all, I'll say this without all the details.
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  • This, without doubt, was the most...
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  • Frustrating and difficult and depressing period in my life.
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  • Without Pam.
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  • No question about it.
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  • It was awful.
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  • And I was going to therapy, I'm not ashamed of that.
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  • - [Mike] That's good.
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  • - But thank God
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  • I was going to therapy-- - DeeDee going to therapy.
  • 00:21:36.060 --> 00:21:37.090
  • When's your therapist's next session?
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  • (laughter)
  • 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.160
  • - But when I decided I wanted to go back home,
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  • I just so happened to have a session
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  • scheduled that morning, right?
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  • So that morning, I know this sounds crazy,
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  • but this is what I did.
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  • I decided I wanted to go home.
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  • I went out to buy a makeup gift.
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  • I bought this brand new red convertible Mercedes two-seater.
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  • - Come on home, Donnie!
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  • How many of ladies say, come on home?
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  • - You don't bring no two-seater home.
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  • Come home to the house and kids.
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  • - I bought a dozen,
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  • a gross of roses.
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  • Put 'em in the car.
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  • And I'm all ready.
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  • I'm gonna drive over there, she's gonna see this,
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  • man, I'm back in.
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  • I'm in there tonight, sitting in my drawers,
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  • watching Andy Griffith!
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  • (laughter)
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  • - Not too dark, Donnie, not too dark.
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  • - Well, you asked!
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  • - That was good.
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  • - They were transparent.
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  • They were see-through drawers.
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  • Y'all transparent here, right?
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  • - But we don't say drawers in church.
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  • We say underwear.
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  • No, go right ahead.
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  • - So that's where my head was.
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  • Wow, she's gonna,
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  • aw, I'm so happy to have you back.
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  • I, again, had this therapy session.
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  • I go to my therapist.
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  • I told him what I did, what I'm getting ready to do,
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  • and he said, "Well, hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute.
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  • "You don't know how she feels about this."
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  • I was like, "What?
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  • "I'm the GOAT!"
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  • (laughter)
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  • - Not in my house.
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  • - You don't know who I am1
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  • - Enough said.
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  • - You know who I think I am?
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  • - Right?
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  • So we had this whole conversation about, man,
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  • you talk about God putting people in place
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  • for giving you what you need when you need it.
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  • That's exactly what I needed,
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  • just tap on the brakes here.
  • 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.270
  • And he tapped on the brakes for me,
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  • said slow my expectations down.
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  • And when I went over there
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  • and gave her the card and everything,
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  • she's like, I mean, just like, wow!
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  • Whoa.
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  • You know.
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  • It wasn't like, oh, come on back home tonight.
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  • It's like, well, let's talk about this.
  • 00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:57.000
  • - I said,
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  • "I'll take the car."
  • 00:23:58.150 --> 00:23:59.260
  • (laughter)
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  • "Okay, I'm not stupid.
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  • "But we'll talk, okay?"
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  • And that was the beginning of the six months
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  • that it took for us to work it out
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  • with some therapy and came back home.
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  • - [Mike] Talk about that.
  • 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:13.210
  • - Certainly communication.
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  • Definitely.
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  • Communication.
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  • - [Mike] Talking.
  • 00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:19.220
  • - Yeah, talking.
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  • And not talking at a person, talk to a person, you know?
  • 00:24:21.080 --> 00:24:24.230
  • We still get on each other's nerves, of course,
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  • and he might do something that I don't like,
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  • but I think I've changed my approach,
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  • that I don't attack.
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  • Let's talk about this.
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  • You said so-and-so, and--
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  • - [Mike] That's what I'm talking about.
  • 00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:41.070
  • - Yeah, exactly.
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  • - You see that, Dee?
  • 00:24:43.260 --> 00:24:45.280
  • No, we were just talking about that very same thing.
  • 00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:48.240
  • - And you do have to be friends.
  • 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.060
  • - And you have to grow up in that area.
  • 00:24:50.060 --> 00:24:52.120
  • - Yeah, definitely. - You have to grow up
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  • in the area of communication.
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  • I mean, how long are you going to stay
  • 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.080
  • in elementary communication?
  • 00:24:57.080 --> 00:24:59.180
  • You're going to have to graduate
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  • and move to the next level.
  • 00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:05.000
  • - I think it's better to communicate
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  • than walk around mad at each other
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  • and not speaking.
  • 00:25:08.270 --> 00:25:10.100
  • And you might need a little cooling-off period
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  • so you can figure out,
  • 00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:14.010
  • let me see how I'm gonna say this to him,
  • 00:25:14.010 --> 00:25:16.000
  • that he'll receive it.
  • 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.250
  • And then--
  • 00:25:19.020 --> 00:25:20.180
  • - Because some people think that they can just haul off
  • 00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:22.020
  • and say what they wanna say because they grown
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  • and they can do whatever they want to do.
  • 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.030
  • - No, being grown is knowing how to say it.
  • 00:25:26.030 --> 00:25:28.280
  • Exactly. (laughs)
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  • (applause)
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  • And I think friendship is very important.
  • 00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:35.160
  • You gotta be friends, definitely.
  • 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.230
  • - Do you have to be best friends?
  • 00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:39.160
  • - Yeah!
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  • I think you should be.
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  • Because best friends have each other's backs.
  • 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.260
  • - Well, well...
  • 00:25:44.260 --> 00:25:46.040
  • What you don't know is many months ago,
  • 00:25:48.060 --> 00:25:51.120
  • DeeDee informed me--
  • 00:25:53.290 --> 00:25:56.030
  • - She has another best friend?
  • 00:25:56.030 --> 00:25:57.160
  • - That she has another best friend,
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  • that I was not her best friend.
  • 00:26:00.030 --> 00:26:01.230
  • 'Cause it was in front of all these people.
  • 00:26:01.230 --> 00:26:02.150
  • - She's my best friend, but I'm not her best friend.
  • 00:26:02.270 --> 00:26:06.040
  • - But-- - Is there anything
  • 00:26:06.040 --> 00:26:07.080
  • you can say to DeeDee?
  • 00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:08.180
  • (laughter)
  • 00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:10.060
  • (laughter)
  • 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:10.270
  • - Girl, you know what you gotta do.
  • 00:26:11.010 --> 00:26:13.260
  • - And I did it, I made him my husband,
  • 00:26:13.260 --> 00:26:15.210
  • and he trumps best friends.
  • 00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:17.190
  • - [Audience] Aww!
  • 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:19.020
  • And I think some of them have pseudo best friends.
  • 00:26:20.060 --> 00:26:20.100
  • I think it's the terminology for relationship,
  • 00:26:21.070 --> 00:26:24.140
  • but it really doesn't exist in their relationship.
  • 00:26:24.140 --> 00:26:28.020
  • They say we're best friends, but--
  • 00:26:28.020 --> 00:26:31.070
  • - Really ain't talking about everything.
  • 00:26:31.070 --> 00:26:33.070
  • - I think that you should be best friends,
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  • but you shouldn't be only friends,
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  • that you need other friends.
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  • I mean, I have an adult daughter
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  • and she's definitely up there
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  • as far as being my best friend.
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  • - Ladies and Gentleman, I believe
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  • it's a greater sin to not get back up and fight again.
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  • When you fall, he says rise up and go forward.
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  • (clapping)
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  • - We don't just survive things,
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  • we overcome in every area of our lives.
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  • - God has some design the human mechanism,
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  • the spirit, soul, and body
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  • that your life begins to move in the direction
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  • of what you see.
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  • - You got to visualize.
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  • You gotta verbalize.
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  • You gotta internalize until it materializes.
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  • - If you see health, your body will move in that direction.
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  • - Whew.
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