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McManus | Hope In Isolation | July 13, 2021
- Aaron: Hi, I'm Aaron McManus. Erwin: And I'm Erwin McManus.
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- Aaron: And you'll notice that we're doing things a little bit
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- differently this week.
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- Erwin: Well, because of the Covid-19 crisis,
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- we've all been asked to quarantine.
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- And so, we're not in studio.
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- Aaron: No, we are outside of our garage and outside
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- of my dad's creative space, where he writes his books.
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- And we are going to basically do our show at home,
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- and producing it, shooting it ourselves.
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- Erwin: Because we wanted to make sure
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- that we're with you every week.
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- We wanted to make sure that we're bringing some fresh
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- insights, some clarity, some hope even in the middle
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- of all this crisis.
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- Aaron: I think right now is a time more than ever that we need
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- to be a voice of hope, and bring together our faith, bring
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- together our prayers, and bring together our community, and
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- really get into some questions that I think are going on in
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- people's lives and in people's hearts and minds.
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- Erwin: So, we want to invite you into our life, into our
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- family, into our home, and invite you to join on "McManus."
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- Aaron: Erwin McManus is an artist, author, filmmaker,
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- futurist, and entrepreneur.
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- He speaks to Fortune 500 companies and at arena events.
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- He's a preacher and a thought-provoking leader.
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- Erwin: Find your tribe because that's how you will find
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- your future.
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- Aaron: He's also my dad.
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- I'm Aaron, and on this show, my friends and I will bring to
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- Erwin some of the hot issues that impact our world today.
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- We'll open up the discussion and get insights to help shape the
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- minds of the next generation.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Aaron: Welcome to "McManus."
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- As you can realize, this show looks a little bit different
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- than what it normally does.
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- Hello, guys. How are you guys doing?
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- female: Hi.
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- male: Hey, how you doing?
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- Aaron: We are all in separate houses.
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- Most of us are in--I live by myself.
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- And luckily, I was able to go to my family's house kind of before
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- everything ended up being what it is.
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- And so, I'm fortunate enough to be around people.
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- I don't know if it's a good thing that me and my mom are in
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- this close of quarters again.
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- You guys, some of you work from home.
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- Some of you work in an office.
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- But how has it been, that mental side of being isolated,
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- being quarantined?
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- Joshua: It's funny, our office like works from home
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- about once a week every Friday.
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- And but it's--when you work from home,
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- it's not really a work from home.
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- You're kind of just chilling and running around,
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- doing errands and stuff.
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- And now it's like full days of work, even longer because
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- you're kind of trying to catch up with not being
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- in the office, and dealing with face to face.
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- So, you're catching up, doing meetings, working from home.
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- And then yeah, like you said, when it's done, you're trying to
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- figure out how you're going to, like, have a regular life, like
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- see people, have a community around you.
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- So, it is though to, like, not have like human interaction
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- during the day, and then figure out how to catch up on regular
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- human interaction once like work is done.
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- Aaron: Have any of you guys had moments where you've been
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- like asking God questions about whether it's your faith,
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- whether it's being in isolation, or whether it's people
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- hurting around the world?
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- Has there been any questions that have come to the surface?
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- Eric: My continuous question is, is what I'm doing a response
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- out of fear, or is this a wise choice to make?
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- And Aaron, you know my wife's pregnant right now.
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- And so, when we walk outside, if we're saying hi to someone,
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- am I reaching out of fear of her getting sick,
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- and then that impacting like the rest of the pregnancy?
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- Or is that like kind of that moment of wisdom, where okay,
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- I want to make the right choices,
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- I want her to make the right choices.
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- And so, just trying to find that balance, like that's the
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- question I keep going back to God of like, "Hey, can you,
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- like, help me deal with this with, like, some wisdom?"
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- Joshua: I don't know if you guys have noticed, like everyone
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- who's like, you know, older and in that zone of like this is
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- dangerous doesn't care 'cause they're like, "Yeah, we've lived
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- life this long, like no one's going to tell me what to do."
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- And I'm trying to like--you know, like talk to them like,
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- "Yeah, but this is like really serious.
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- And you guys need to--" So it's like--but I don't want to
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- instill fear in them either, you know?
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- So, it's definitely that question of like how much do I,
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- you know, think logically versus press through that fear, and
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- just have faith that everything's going to be okay?
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- And yeah, it's definitely a struggle.
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- Aaron: Adeline, you work, you hustle.
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- How has this affected you?
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- Is like--does the conversation of maybe
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- losing your job make you afraid?
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- Adeline: Yeah, so personally, I'll be super vulnerable.
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- I just actually got my rate lowered this past week
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- with my job.
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- Just financially, like being a small business owner and where
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- they're at and what they need, they have to come to me and say,
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- "Hey, this is where we're at, and this is something that
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- we're--you know, it's unfortunate,
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- but we really want to keep you.
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- We want to still keep--give you those hours,
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- but we're not able to right now."
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- But just kind of finding the grace in that and being like,
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- "Hey, I understand.
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- I still want to work with you. I want to have my job."
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- But I do have a second job, and I don't have that job right now.
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- So I was--technically, we're like in a laid off season
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- until the gym does reopen.
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- So, definitely stresses me out.
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- I had a lot of anxiety the first week because of the not knowing,
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- not knowing what's enough, not knowing what's too much.
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- You know, a lot of people are filing for unemployment,
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- like a lot of my friends.
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- That's a huge topic in our friend group is who's filing,
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- who's done it, when should you do it, when's a good time.
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- You know, like all those details, people are trying to
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- process as fast as possible just to, like, not have the worry
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- of feeling scared about job insecurity.
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- But yeah, it's pretty interesting right now.
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- Aaron: What are you guys doing to stay connected?
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- Have you guys FaceTimed people? Are you calling people more?
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- What are you guys doing?
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- male: Never FacedTimed--never FaceTimed so many people
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- in my life.
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- Nicole: It's actually been really cool, at least for me and
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- my friends, to use FaceTime.
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- Like right before all of this started, one of our friends--we
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- found out one of our friends has to go into like a very risky
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- heart surgery, where she has to remove a tumor.
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- And because of the quarantine, she now can't leave her house.
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- And the only person that can be with her is her roommate
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- that has still been in the house.
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- And so, both of them are safe and healthy.
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- So, we've been FaceTiming with her every day.
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- And just seeing how she sees life in such, like, a painful
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- situation, and how she still has hope and still trusts in God,
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- I feel like she has poured so much more into us
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- just by having conversations.
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- And even just like how the fact that her roommate doesn't even
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- know Jesus, but he's seeing Jesus through
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- how we've responded to her and how we've loved her.
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- And I think that's like one beautiful thing that this has
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- brought is just like we're able to have
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- deeper conversations faster.
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- And like, we're willing to, like, go there and because we
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- need it, we crave human connection so much, and this is
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- like the only way we can do it is through conversation.
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- So, I think that's opened up like a really beautiful space
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- for people just to, like, actually talk about things.
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- I've never felt so close to people than I do now,
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- even though I haven't seen them in so long.
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- And I think that's, like, a really cool thing
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- that's happened.
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- Marcos: One of the things that I notice too in my
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- relationships is that I feel like most of our relationships
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- are kind of accidental in a sense.
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- Like we bump into someone and you have a conversation at work,
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- or in church, or wherever it is.
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- And it's kind of like now if you don't start the--if you don't
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- take this step of reaching out to someone, that relationship
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- doesn't go forward at all.
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- Does that make sense?
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- So, it feels like you have to engage people way more often
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- than you are being engaged in a sense.
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- And I think it's super interesting.
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- It's forcing me to, like, reach out to my friends a little more.
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- Aaron: Have any of you guys seen what else
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- is going on in the world?
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- Like have you seen a hopeful moment?
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- Have you seen a good moment?
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- Have you seen something where you're just reminded
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- how great humanity is?
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- Adeline: Yeah, it's just interesting to see our friend,
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- we have a friend named Kate.
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- So, Kate lost all of her jobs.
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- She had a couple things going.
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- But just to see her effort and her just, like, unconditional,
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- like, effort to serve people in this time.
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- She's coordinating groups of like 30 people to get groceries
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- and deliver them to homeless people, to deliver them to
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- people in need, a lot of our senior citizens in our church
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- community, and just to look out for those people.
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- And she is actually inspiring more and more people to do more
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- things just out of, like, selflessness versus selfishness.
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- It just reminds me like, hey, even if you have nothing going
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- on, you've lost all of your jobs, you've lost everything,
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- you're still able to help the people in your community,
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- even the people you don't know in a time like this.
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- So, it's been super incredible to watch her do that.
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- Joshua: That's cool.
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- Eric: I've seen it like walking around.
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- Kind of on a smaller scale, but Tess and I will take our dog out
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- on a walk and get outside.
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- It's something that I do regularly because I do work from
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- home full-time, and I have for the last couple years.
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- But what's so cool is that, like, there was a guy on his
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- balcony, a house a couple houses down from us.
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- And as we were walking by, he said hello.
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- And if you've ever walked in LA for more than five minutes, you
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- know that people don't just, like, say hi to each other.
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- If someone says hi to you, you're like,
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- "Why are you talking to me?"
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- But as we walked around, everyone that we walked past or
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- were at least within shouting distance, "Hey, how's it going?"
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- And it's just kind of like a testament to how humans
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- were created to do life with each other, and how there's
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- that longing for community.
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- And it's things that I think I can so often take advantage of,
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- and I'm really realizing like my community is what keeps me sane.
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- And so, when that's taken away from me, I'm like--I'm used to
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- working at home, but I'm not used to not being able
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- to see my own community.
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- It's making it I think more of an awareness thing
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- for--just for me.
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- Aaron: Well, I want to thank you guys.
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- And I think it's going to be such a good conversation that we
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- open up today, and I'm going to hop in with my dad in a minute
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- and talk about kind of more what's going on around us.
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- But I'm grateful you guys jumped on this thing with me
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- and you guys were able to just tell some stories,
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- and be super honest and transparent.
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- And I just want to thank you guys.
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- Thanks for being on "McManus."
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- Grateful, keep doing good, keep distancing
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- socially, not spiritually.
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- Love you guys, bye.
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- Aaron: Okay.
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- Erwin: Here we go. Aaron: Here we go.
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- This is a different way of doing the show.
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- Erwin: Well, we still have McManus and McManus.
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- Aaron: And if you're joining us, this looks a little
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- different than usual.
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- Erwin: And before we dive into the conversation that we
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- want to lean into, I just want to just thank the Hillsong
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- Channel for being so creative and inventive to keep the show
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- alive and going on in the middle of all this lockdown.
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- Aaron: Yeah, I mean, they dropped off a bunch
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- of gear at our house.
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- Erwin: Kept social distance.
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- Aaron: Social distance.
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- And then I went out with a hazmat suit.
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- No, we picked up the gear and outside the front porch,
- 00:11:37.014 --> 00:11:39.550
- and we set it up in our--basically your back house
- 00:11:39.550 --> 00:11:43.086
- and where you write your books.
- 00:11:43.086 --> 00:11:44.955
- And we're able to have a conversation.
- 00:11:44.955 --> 00:11:46.957
- And I was on a Zoom call, a FaceTime call with a bunch
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- of young people, and all over the country,
- 00:11:50.828 --> 00:11:54.531
- from all over the world.
- 00:11:54.531 --> 00:11:55.999
- And it's so interesting to see where people are at because
- 00:11:55.999 --> 00:11:58.402
- we're in an interesting time amidst the Covid-19 virus,
- 00:11:58.402 --> 00:12:02.573
- the coronavirus.
- 00:12:02.573 --> 00:12:03.907
- And we did an episode about this before, but now we are all in
- 00:12:03.907 --> 00:12:07.044
- isolation, and we are pretty much on lockdown from Seattle
- 00:12:07.044 --> 00:12:11.448
- to Mexico City and all over the world, Australia.
- 00:12:11.448 --> 00:12:14.551
- And it's kind of bizarre.
- 00:12:14.551 --> 00:12:18.322
- Erwin: It is, it's a really challenging time.
- 00:12:18.322 --> 00:12:20.724
- And by the way, welcome to our creative space at our home.
- 00:12:20.724 --> 00:12:25.028
- And one of the upsides is we have family here, and so a lot
- 00:12:25.028 --> 00:12:29.166
- of people don't have family.
- 00:12:29.166 --> 00:12:30.567
- A lot of people are alone, all by themselves.
- 00:12:30.567 --> 00:12:32.836
- And I know that makes this so much more difficult.
- 00:12:32.836 --> 00:12:34.638
- And in fact, I was on the phone with a friend of mine just a
- 00:12:34.638 --> 00:12:38.075
- couple hours ago, and he was talking about how, while we're
- 00:12:38.075 --> 00:12:41.278
- focusing on the virus, so many people who struggle with
- 00:12:41.278 --> 00:12:45.883
- depression and already feel overwhelmed by life are going to
- 00:12:45.883 --> 00:12:51.922
- really feel more pressure and more challenge during this time.
- 00:12:51.922 --> 00:12:56.793
- And just even as we dive in and talk about some of the different
- 00:12:56.793 --> 00:13:00.898
- issues, you know, if you're listening right now and you're
- 00:13:00.898 --> 00:13:04.534
- alone, or you feel isolated and you feel disconnected, and maybe
- 00:13:04.534 --> 00:13:09.106
- you already struggle with depression, or maybe you already
- 00:13:09.106 --> 00:13:12.342
- struggle with feeling intensely anxious in life, we just want
- 00:13:12.342 --> 00:13:17.214
- you to know that you're alone.
- 00:13:17.214 --> 00:13:18.749
- That there are people here who are here for you.
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- Aaron: That is so important.
- 00:13:21.251 --> 00:13:22.586
- I mean, I have been at a place where I struggle
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- with being alone.
- 00:13:24.755 --> 00:13:26.290
- And from a perspective of everyone else pretty much that
- 00:13:26.290 --> 00:13:28.992
- I'm close with is married to a degree,
- 00:13:28.992 --> 00:13:32.262
- and a lot of them have kids.
- 00:13:32.262 --> 00:13:33.597
- And when you're on your own, I have my dog, Solo,
- 00:13:33.597 --> 00:13:37.601
- which is so ironic now.
- 00:13:37.601 --> 00:13:39.269
- Erwin: That his name means alone?
- 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:40.604
- Aaron: That his name means alone, and which is me and him.
- 00:13:40.604 --> 00:13:42.739
- But it's an--it brings up a lot of interesting thoughts.
- 00:13:42.739 --> 00:13:45.943
- It brings up a lot of self-talk.
- 00:13:45.943 --> 00:13:47.477
- It brings up a lot of inner narrative of you're all alone,
- 00:13:47.477 --> 00:13:50.414
- who's with you.
- 00:13:50.414 --> 00:13:51.748
- And I know that I have my family, but when I go to sleep,
- 00:13:51.748 --> 00:13:55.085
- there is this kind of daunting reality of what's going on with
- 00:13:55.085 --> 00:13:59.089
- my friends, people are losing their jobs.
- 00:13:59.089 --> 00:14:01.792
- Will I have a job?
- 00:14:01.792 --> 00:14:03.293
- Will our church survive?
- 00:14:03.293 --> 00:14:04.928
- Will we be able to keep on meeting?
- 00:14:04.928 --> 00:14:08.665
- What's going to happen?
- 00:14:08.665 --> 00:14:10.100
- Will I be able to keep my apartment?
- 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:11.435
- Will I be able to pay my car payment?
- 00:14:11.435 --> 00:14:12.769
- There's--and I know that I'm very blessed.
- 00:14:12.769 --> 00:14:15.205
- There's so many people in the world who have even less than I
- 00:14:15.205 --> 00:14:18.408
- do, and my heart goes out to every single person feeling
- 00:14:18.408 --> 00:14:23.113
- isolated, also feeling trapped and feeling stuck in this place
- 00:14:23.113 --> 00:14:26.783
- where they don't know what God has for them in the next season.
- 00:14:26.783 --> 00:14:31.421
- Does God have anything else for us in the next season?
- 00:14:31.421 --> 00:14:33.590
- There's so much inner kind of monologue going on.
- 00:14:33.590 --> 00:14:37.127
- Erwin: Yeah, actually, I don't think there is language
- 00:14:37.127 --> 00:14:39.663
- for what we're going through right now.
- 00:14:39.663 --> 00:14:41.498
- Aaron: No.
- 00:14:41.498 --> 00:14:42.899
- Erwin: 'Cause we had a Great Depression, and we've been
- 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:44.935
- through multiple recessions.
- 00:14:44.935 --> 00:14:47.104
- But frankly, this is not a depression or a recession.
- 00:14:47.104 --> 00:14:51.675
- This is almost like a reset.
- 00:14:51.675 --> 00:14:53.744
- It's almost as if--it's like when your computer doesn't work,
- 00:14:53.744 --> 00:14:57.114
- or it just keeps spinning and spinning, and then you have to
- 00:14:57.114 --> 00:15:00.584
- just turn it off and reset it.
- 00:15:00.584 --> 00:15:02.552
- Our entire financial institutions have been shut
- 00:15:02.552 --> 00:15:04.821
- down.
- 00:15:04.821 --> 00:15:06.223
- Everything virtually in our society is being shut down.
- 00:15:06.223 --> 00:15:08.558
- People are losing their jobs everywhere, and businesses are
- 00:15:08.558 --> 00:15:12.396
- losing their livelihood everywhere.
- 00:15:12.396 --> 00:15:14.998
- And when we come out of this, it's going to be
- 00:15:14.998 --> 00:15:17.567
- a cultural reset.
- 00:15:17.567 --> 00:15:19.202
- It's not--like people are saying, "Well, this is
- 00:15:19.202 --> 00:15:20.637
- a depression, a recession."
- 00:15:20.637 --> 00:15:22.172
- I actually think the language is inadequate to describe what
- 00:15:22.172 --> 00:15:24.941
- we're going through right now.
- 00:15:24.941 --> 00:15:26.910
- What do you think are some of the main questions
- 00:15:26.910 --> 00:15:28.311
- that your group is asking?
- 00:15:28.311 --> 00:15:30.847
- Aaron: I think the main question is, one,
- 00:15:30.847 --> 00:15:32.549
- what is going to happen next?
- 00:15:32.549 --> 00:15:35.619
- The virus is real, but it doesn't affect us as young
- 00:15:35.619 --> 00:15:39.122
- people physically as much as it affects, you know, the elderly.
- 00:15:39.122 --> 00:15:43.326
- Erwin: You're looking at me.
- 00:15:43.326 --> 00:15:44.828
- Aaron: I am not--I'm looking at you 'cause you're the only
- 00:15:44.828 --> 00:15:46.196
- person--other person on this show, but you are not the
- 00:15:46.196 --> 00:15:48.331
- elder--you're not the elderly in my eyes.
- 00:15:48.331 --> 00:15:50.801
- But what I'm saying is the virus doesn't physically affect us,
- 00:15:50.801 --> 00:15:53.603
- but now I'm being physically affected by everything the virus
- 00:15:53.603 --> 00:15:55.839
- is affecting: my job, my living place, my income, being able to
- 00:15:55.839 --> 00:15:59.342
- eat, being able to drive, being able to do anything.
- 00:15:59.342 --> 00:16:01.378
- Will I--I get that a restart is happening, but a restart is
- 00:16:01.378 --> 00:16:04.714
- costing me everything.
- 00:16:04.714 --> 00:16:06.049
- Erwin: Yeah, when you ask the question,
- 00:16:06.049 --> 00:16:07.384
- what's going to happen next?
- 00:16:07.384 --> 00:16:08.718
- Aaron: Yes.
- 00:16:08.718 --> 00:16:10.053
- Erwin: I think we have to begin here.
- 00:16:10.053 --> 00:16:11.455
- No matter how bad things get, you have the capacity
- 00:16:11.455 --> 00:16:17.227
- to overcome this crisis.
- 00:16:17.227 --> 00:16:19.563
- And I think sometimes, we have certain emotional,
- 00:16:19.563 --> 00:16:24.301
- psychological, and spiritual muscles that we've never had to
- 00:16:24.301 --> 00:16:27.504
- exercise because the times have not required it.
- 00:16:27.504 --> 00:16:32.209
- So, when you live in a time of peace, you actually--I think
- 00:16:32.209 --> 00:16:35.912
- it's smaller, your capacity.
- 00:16:35.912 --> 00:16:38.582
- And when you live in a time of comfort,
- 00:16:38.582 --> 00:16:40.383
- you get smaller in your capacity.
- 00:16:40.383 --> 00:16:42.285
- It doesn't mean you don't have greater capacity, it just means
- 00:16:42.285 --> 00:16:44.287
- you haven't built those.
- 00:16:44.287 --> 00:16:46.123
- And I'm convinced at this time of crisis that everyone is going
- 00:16:46.123 --> 00:16:50.694
- to find out that they're more resilient than they thought,
- 00:16:50.694 --> 00:16:53.296
- they have more capacity in you.
- 00:16:53.296 --> 00:16:55.132
- They're going to be stronger than they ever
- 00:16:55.132 --> 00:16:57.100
- thought they could be.
- 00:16:57.100 --> 00:16:58.435
- So, I want to just begin by making this declaration of hope,
- 00:16:58.435 --> 00:17:02.939
- that no matter what we face, we're going
- 00:17:02.939 --> 00:17:04.441
- to come through this.
- 00:17:04.441 --> 00:17:06.176
- And when people say, "What's going to happen next?"
- 00:17:06.176 --> 00:17:08.111
- that matters less than what are we going to do next.
- 00:17:08.111 --> 00:17:11.381
- And what you don't want to do next is panic.
- 00:17:11.381 --> 00:17:13.717
- What you don't want to do next is be paralyzed with fear.
- 00:17:13.717 --> 00:17:17.487
- What you don't want to do next is let this define your life
- 00:17:17.487 --> 00:17:21.324
- in a negative way.
- 00:17:21.324 --> 00:17:23.160
- And I think one of the great challenges is there's so much
- 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.229
- misinformation and so much hysteria that we end up
- 00:17:26.229 --> 00:17:30.634
- being afraid of things that we should not be afraid of.
- 00:17:30.634 --> 00:17:33.436
- Aaron: But we're--but we're in it now, though.
- 00:17:33.436 --> 00:17:35.305
- This is the thing, right?
- 00:17:35.305 --> 00:17:36.673
- So, I think a week ago, it was hysteria and panic.
- 00:17:36.673 --> 00:17:39.075
- And there is still that.
- 00:17:39.075 --> 00:17:40.644
- There is that, there's people going and buying
- 00:17:40.644 --> 00:17:42.112
- all the toilet paper.
- 00:17:42.112 --> 00:17:43.446
- There's people going and buying all the produce and making it
- 00:17:43.446 --> 00:17:45.348
- really hard for the elderly and the people who can't afford to
- 00:17:45.348 --> 00:17:49.553
- live beyond a paycheck to get food, and to eat,
- 00:17:49.553 --> 00:17:52.355
- and be sustainable.
- 00:17:52.355 --> 00:17:53.690
- But what I'm saying, though, is that we are now
- 00:17:53.690 --> 00:17:55.759
- in a status of quarantine.
- 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.528
- Erwin: Yes, but the economic crisis will be more real for
- 00:17:58.528 --> 00:18:02.132
- your generation than the viral crisis.
- 00:18:02.132 --> 00:18:08.305
- Social distancing and the precautions that we're taking
- 00:18:08.305 --> 00:18:12.409
- across the nation with quarantines and lockdowns,
- 00:18:12.409 --> 00:18:15.579
- those are really about protecting people
- 00:18:15.579 --> 00:18:17.447
- who are vulnerable.
- 00:18:17.447 --> 00:18:18.882
- So, if you're in your 20s or 30s, if you're physically
- 00:18:18.882 --> 00:18:21.718
- healthy, you don't need to be afraid.
- 00:18:21.718 --> 00:18:25.455
- You need to be responsible, but not afraid.
- 00:18:25.455 --> 00:18:27.824
- And I think we're getting confused between the two.
- 00:18:27.824 --> 00:18:29.960
- They've been--we've been asked to isolate not because
- 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.929
- everyone's in danger, but because everyone can potentially
- 00:18:32.929 --> 00:18:36.800
- put someone else in danger.
- 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:38.635
- Aaron: It just is a different reality when you're not supposed
- 00:18:38.635 --> 00:18:41.271
- to get close.
- 00:18:41.271 --> 00:18:42.739
- Like we've been in the same room, so we're allowed to be
- 00:18:42.739 --> 00:18:44.207
- close, but every time I go get us groceries, it's a danger for
- 00:18:44.207 --> 00:18:47.143
- you to be in contact with me.
- 00:18:47.143 --> 00:18:49.446
- And it has us questioning of we can't meet as a church.
- 00:18:49.446 --> 00:18:53.316
- There's 1.000 churches in America, around the world,
- 00:18:53.316 --> 00:18:56.853
- thousands and thousands of churches that cannot meet
- 00:18:56.853 --> 00:18:59.055
- because we're not allowed.
- 00:18:59.055 --> 00:19:00.690
- Erwin: Well, first of all, I think the language of social
- 00:19:00.690 --> 00:19:02.359
- distancing is terrible language, and it's really unfortunate.
- 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.763
- They should have said physical distancing.
- 00:19:06.763 --> 00:19:09.032
- We don't have to be socially distant.
- 00:19:09.032 --> 00:19:11.201
- We can actually be socially connected.
- 00:19:11.201 --> 00:19:13.603
- We can be relationally connected.
- 00:19:13.603 --> 00:19:15.338
- We can be emotionally connected.
- 00:19:15.338 --> 00:19:17.340
- And I don't--I think that this mindset is actually hurting us.
- 00:19:17.340 --> 00:19:23.513
- The concept of social distancing is creating a deeper sense of
- 00:19:23.513 --> 00:19:26.149
- isolation and disconnection.
- 00:19:26.149 --> 00:19:28.852
- And we are more connected right now than maybe we've ever been.
- 00:19:28.852 --> 00:19:33.123
- Aaron: There's so many people who need help and need
- 00:19:33.123 --> 00:19:36.760
- conversation, they just need human interaction.
- 00:19:36.760 --> 00:19:38.862
- Erwin: Yeah, I think people are going to go stir crazy, and
- 00:19:38.862 --> 00:19:40.330
- I think that's part of the challenge of it.
- 00:19:40.330 --> 00:19:41.665
- And that's one of the reasons we've committed to this show and
- 00:19:41.665 --> 00:19:44.734
- is because we feel like people need to find ways
- 00:19:44.734 --> 00:19:47.070
- to connect together.
- 00:19:47.070 --> 00:19:48.405
- They need places to find positive information.
- 00:19:48.405 --> 00:19:51.608
- And I feel like everything that all of us can do to connect
- 00:19:51.608 --> 00:19:54.911
- each other together is better.
- 00:19:54.911 --> 00:19:57.047
- And I also think that whenever you lose something,
- 00:19:57.047 --> 00:20:01.184
- you want it more.
- 00:20:01.184 --> 00:20:04.054
- Aaron: I know.
- 00:20:04.054 --> 00:20:05.388
- Erwin: Like somebody said to me, "Hey, we need to make sure
- 00:20:05.388 --> 00:20:07.490
- that we, you know, keep social distance to protect
- 00:20:07.490 --> 00:20:10.360
- the wisdom of our culture."
- 00:20:10.360 --> 00:20:12.162
- And my immediate thought was, "No one in our culture cares
- 00:20:12.162 --> 00:20:15.932
- what old people think."
- 00:20:15.932 --> 00:20:18.001
- Like you know, I'm 61, and I'm telling you--
- 00:20:18.001 --> 00:20:20.937
- Aaron: I care what you think.
- 00:20:20.937 --> 00:20:22.339
- Erwin: We live in a culture where we care more about what
- 00:20:22.339 --> 00:20:24.574
- a 22-year-old thinks than what an 82-year-old thinks.
- 00:20:24.574 --> 00:20:27.977
- And but the moment we might lose that part of our culture,
- 00:20:27.977 --> 00:20:31.281
- then we value it.
- 00:20:31.281 --> 00:20:32.849
- So many people, you know what it's like.
- 00:20:32.849 --> 00:20:34.951
- You guys are in a room, you're not even talking to each other.
- 00:20:34.951 --> 00:20:36.820
- You're all on your phones.
- 00:20:36.820 --> 00:20:38.588
- Aaron: You say me, but you're on your phone.
- 00:20:38.588 --> 00:20:40.824
- You do the same thing, you do the same.
- 00:20:40.824 --> 00:20:42.592
- You're a modern man.
- 00:20:42.592 --> 00:20:44.160
- Erwin: We all do this. Aaron: Yes, we all do this.
- 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:45.862
- Erwin: And so, we're already socially distancing ourselves,
- 00:20:45.862 --> 00:20:48.298
- but we're in the same room.
- 00:20:48.298 --> 00:20:49.632
- Now that it's been taken away from us, we really value it.
- 00:20:49.632 --> 00:20:52.936
- Aaron: I want it so bad, bring it back.
- 00:20:52.936 --> 00:20:55.004
- Erwin: So, maybe we could see this as a moment where God
- 00:20:55.004 --> 00:21:00.110
- could reintroduce the values that actually matter most.
- 00:21:00.110 --> 00:21:04.314
- Maybe this is a moment where we could get our priorities right
- 00:21:04.314 --> 00:21:07.584
- and begin realizing people are what matter most.
- 00:21:07.584 --> 00:21:10.186
- Connecting to each other is an invaluable gift
- 00:21:10.186 --> 00:21:13.823
- that we've been given.
- 00:21:13.823 --> 00:21:15.191
- Friendships are the greatest resource in the world.
- 00:21:15.191 --> 00:21:18.061
- Aaron: So, this is what I'm worried about.
- 00:21:18.061 --> 00:21:19.496
- I am worried about my friends who can't pay the rent,
- 00:21:19.496 --> 00:21:21.531
- who they're all getting let go, and they can't survive in LA.
- 00:21:21.531 --> 00:21:26.236
- And they can go back home to family, but what happens
- 00:21:26.236 --> 00:21:28.872
- when their family can't survive?
- 00:21:28.872 --> 00:21:30.473
- What happens when it goes layers deep?
- 00:21:30.473 --> 00:21:32.776
- If everyone files for unemployment, there's going to
- 00:21:32.776 --> 00:21:34.644
- be no one left to pay for it.
- 00:21:34.644 --> 00:21:37.313
- What do we do?
- 00:21:37.313 --> 00:21:38.848
- Erwin: Yeah, I mean, those are big economic questions.
- 00:21:38.848 --> 00:21:40.850
- And I think that this is one of those moments where if you have
- 00:21:40.850 --> 00:21:45.288
- the capacity, you have to create work as fast
- 00:21:45.288 --> 00:21:47.157
- as possible for people.
- 00:21:47.157 --> 00:21:48.892
- If you have the capacity, you have to be careful not to hoard
- 00:21:48.892 --> 00:21:52.695
- wealth, but actually use your wealth to generate
- 00:21:52.695 --> 00:21:56.433
- momentum for our economy.
- 00:21:56.433 --> 00:21:58.401
- If you can hire people, hire them.
- 00:21:58.401 --> 00:22:00.770
- And if you're--if you're single and--
- 00:22:00.770 --> 00:22:04.774
- Aaron: Why did you look at me so long?
- 00:22:04.774 --> 00:22:06.810
- Erwin: In your 20s and if you're struggling, I think this
- 00:22:06.810 --> 00:22:09.412
- is a time we have to come together.
- 00:22:09.412 --> 00:22:11.147
- I mean, I think this is a moment where maybe three or four people
- 00:22:11.147 --> 00:22:14.083
- have to move in together and have one place to live rather
- 00:22:14.083 --> 00:22:16.519
- than four places to live.
- 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.222
- We can face anything if we're willing to go through some
- 00:22:19.222 --> 00:22:21.858
- short-term struggles to have long-term benefit.
- 00:22:21.858 --> 00:22:25.628
- And I know it's not always easy.
- 00:22:25.628 --> 00:22:27.297
- It's hard to feel like you've lost ground and you've
- 00:22:27.297 --> 00:22:30.333
- lost the progress you've made.
- 00:22:30.333 --> 00:22:31.868
- And it's hard to feel like you've lost your independence
- 00:22:31.868 --> 00:22:33.670
- and your freedom.
- 00:22:33.670 --> 00:22:35.004
- And but I do think this is a time where family and friends
- 00:22:35.004 --> 00:22:37.874
- become really important.
- 00:22:37.874 --> 00:22:39.609
- And that's why I think the church is so important.
- 00:22:39.609 --> 00:22:42.078
- And we need to take care of each other.
- 00:22:42.078 --> 00:22:43.980
- Aaron: I do think churches around the world--this is
- 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:45.982
- where I think the church shines.
- 00:22:45.982 --> 00:22:47.450
- Erwin: Yeah, I do too.
- 00:22:47.450 --> 00:22:48.818
- Aaron: In moments like this, you just--it's coming from the
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- church, the generosity, the willingness to sacrifice.
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- Erwin: The church needs to be frontline.
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- And church should not be a non-essential organization.
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- It has to be an essential organization during these times.
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- And if you remember in 2008 during that recession,
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- I remember finding myself having to let so many
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- people go from the church.
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- Aaron: And you let me go from our--from your business.
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- Erwin: Yeah, and then but that's actually what motivated
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- me to start businesses so that we could employ 20,
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- 30 more people through companies.
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- Aaron: Yeah, and you did, you started it all back up.
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- Erwin: And we needed to do that because if you have an
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- entrepreneurial gift, if you have the capacity to create
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- wealth and income, this is the time you help other people put
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- food on the table, pay their rent,
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- and take care of their families.
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- This is where capitalism can actually have ethics.
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- And this is where capitalism must be ethical to create
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- the good for everyone in our society.
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- Aaron: But how can we actually help,
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- the willing and able and the young?
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- 'Cause not everyone can.
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- And if you cannot, don't endanger yourself to be able
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- to--if you're what is it, prone to respiratory disease or heart
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- disease, or you're unhealthy, you're older, want to make sure
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- you're safe, stay safe.
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- But if you are young, like I'm young and I'm healthy
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- and I'm able to do this, but it feels--I feel trapped 'cause
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- what am I actually able to do?
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- Erwin: Well, I think in the next few weeks,
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- things are going to change.
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- And there are going to be--there's going to be greater
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- and greater need for young, healthy people to be more
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- involved in serving other people.
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- And I just say, look, take this moment and be socially
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- responsible, and do what you're being asked
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- so that we can contain this virus.
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- And then be ready the moment we're able to get out there
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- and serve and help people.
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- And remember, even when you're out of an income,
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- you're not out of work.
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- There's always work to be done in the world.
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- Sometimes, we don't have a job, but we have work.
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- And if you'll just get out there and find a way to serve, I'm
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- just telling you that's the best way to find a job, when you get
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- out there and just make yourself productive and do good.
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- Do not let a lack of a job move you to a paralysis,
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- where you stop being productive in life.
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- Be productive, do good, serve others.
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- Make the world a better place and watch how the job
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- will come when you do that.
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- Aaron: Hey, thanks so much for being here with me
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- and having this conversation.
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- I know it looks different than normal, but I'm grateful to keep
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- doing this and maybe keep being a voice of hope.
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- Erwin: Hey, let's keep having this conversation and bringing
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- hope to people all over the world.
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- Hey, I love you, buddy.
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- Aaron: Love you too. Bye guys.
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- ♪♪♪
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