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The Potter's Touch with T.D. Jakes | T.D. Jakes - Seminary From A Cemetery | January 27, 2025
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- ♪♪♪
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- Female announcer: coming up on "the potter's touch."
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- Dr. e. dewey smith: you've been struggling to care for a
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- Business or to care for the body that god authorized you to
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- Care for.
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- God send me one word for you, and the word is this, that he's
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- Gonna send a joseph and a nicodemus who's gonna invest in
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- Your efforts to care for the body.
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- ♪ the potter's touch, the potter's touch ♪
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- Dr. dewey: i believe nobody personifies what it literally
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- Means to be a pastor and to be a leader in the lord's army.
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- To be involved in marketplace and ministry more so than joseph
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- Of arimathea and nicodemus.
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- Here's why.
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- Because they are the first two individuals who literally took
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- Care of the body of christ.
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- Let me say it again.
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- They are the first two individuals who had
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- Responsibility for caring for the body of jesus
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- Before pentecost.
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- Before peter's masterful sermon.
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- Before paul's conversion on his road to damascus.
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- These two individuals literally were given charge of the
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- Physical body of the lord jesus christ.
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- You talk about volatile times.
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- Here as our lord has reached the summit of golgotha's brow, does
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- Joseph and nicodemus receive permission that you're going to
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- Care for the physical remains, the anatomical composition.
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- After jesus finished his assignment, mary perhaps was the
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- First one to hold his body after birth.
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- But nicodemus and joseph were the first ones to hold his body
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- After death.
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- And i believe that because sometimes we look at them as
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- Insignificant characters.
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- If they will first give a responsibility for caring for
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- The body, the question you gotta ask yourself is, how did they
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- Get the body?
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- You know how sometimes it is particularly in the
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- African-american community, when somebody passes away, one of the
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- First things we ask is, "who got the body?"
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- Because who got the body is significant because whoever has
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- The body can tell you what the body's gonna look like.
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- Often you and i get comfortable when we find out who got the
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- Body because the last time the other folk had the body, they
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- Didn't look quite right.
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- I'm so glad to announce this morning that when jesus died, we
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- Know who got the body.
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- It was joseph of arimathea and it was nicodemus and they serve
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- As paradigms to every pastor, to every leader and to every
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- Business owner in this room.
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- They represent valiant leadership in volatile times.
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- First of all, let me share with you the authorization to care
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- For the body.
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- It is in saint john 19, verse 38, that after jesus had died,
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- After this satirological dispensation had been ushered
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- In, it was joseph of arimathea who went to the roman
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- Procurator, pontius pilate.
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- And he sought permission.
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- That's john 19 and luke 23 tell us that he sought permission to
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- Care for, to take the body of christ, and pilate, who was
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- Responsible for the remains then allows joseph to take the body.
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- Joseph could not force his way into the position of caring for
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- The body.
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- Joseph did not get responsibility for the body of
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- Christ because his grandmama told him when he was a little
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- Boy, one day you look like you're gonna care for the body
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- Of christ.
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- Joseph never preaches a trial sermon.
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- Never goes to vacation bible school, never goes to the
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- Convocation or the paw assembly, but yet he is given charge of
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- The body of christ because he received proper authorization.
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- The challenge now, when i talk to a lot of seminary students,
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- It appears that so many have reduced ministry to an
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- Occupation or a vocation.
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- Based upon what they think looks like is gonna provide for them a
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- Comfortable quality of life.
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- Let me suggest, brothers and sisters that if you have not
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- Received authorization and a calling from god.
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- I know we live in difficult times and different times, but i
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- Still believe that ministry is a calling.
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- You just don't fall off the back of a collard green truck and get
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- Saved two weeks in prison and now you wanna add reverend
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- Doctor to your name.
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- It's incumbent upon each of us to make sure that before we step
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- Into the position of preaching and pastoring that we receive
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- Proper authorization from a higher power than pilate.
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- Are you listening to me here?
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- It's important that we receive that authorization.
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- This is not a playground.
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- It's a battleground.
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- And if you don't have authorization and a calling that
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- Will sustain you when sometimes you even doubt yourself.
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- That's why i thank god how god told jeremiah, jeremiah, before
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- You were formed in your mama's belly.
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- Jeremiah, before your dad stepped to your mama and said,
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- "baby, would you have an objection if a man of my
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- Complexion came in your direction and offered to be
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- Your protection?"
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- Before your dad and your mom ever came together, i knew you.
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- I sanctified you and i ordained you to be a prophet to
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- The nations.
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- Jeremiah, i knew you would struggle with bipolar disorder.
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- I knew you would struggle with depression.
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- I knew you would struggle with anxiety, but your depression,
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- Your bipolar, your anxiety was not intimidating to me because
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- I'm gonna authorize that in spite of your challenges.
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- And jeremiah, i'm gonna authorize you to go to the earth
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- To prophesy the impending destruction of jerusalem.
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- I knew you before your parents came together.
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- I knew you and your parents came together to form your body.
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- You had a prenatal ordination and i put the spirit that i knew
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- In the body that your parents formed and then put you in the
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- Earth to carry out what i knew about you and ordain for you
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- Before your parents ever knew you.
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- And jeremiah, one day you're gonna have to come back
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- To heaven.
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- And when you come back to heaven, i'm gonna be looking for
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- The same you that i knew before i sent you.
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- And so because you have an author--somebody say i've
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- Been authorized.
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- I've got the power.
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- I got an assignment.
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- Even if i don't feel confident in myself, when you've been
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- Authorized by god, you can care for the body.
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- And so joseph and nicodemus,
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- They had to get permission.
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- They didn't just jump and do this.
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- They received authorization to care for the body, but not only
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- Should we notice the authorization to care for
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- The body.
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- Secondly, i want you to notice their approach to the body.
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- How did they approach the body?
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- It's interesting here.
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- It says, "when they approached the body, john 19:38, it says,
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- "after this joseph of arimathea being a disciple, but secretly
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- For the jews, besought pilate that he might take the body and
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- Pilate gave them leave."
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- It says, "he came therefore and took the body of jesus."
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- It's also in luke 23:54 talks about it.
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- It says that when they came to take the body, it says that they
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- Took him.
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- Verse 40 of saint john 19 says they buried him according to the
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- Custom of the jews to bury.
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- They had to bury them according to the custom of the jews.
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- That was a certain process that had to be engaged in order to
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- Care for the body.
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- That was certain things that would have made them
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- Ceremonially unclean if they mishandled the body.
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- There was certain rituals, steps, and timing all involved
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- In caring for--they had to read.
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- They could not approach the bible, the body haphazardly.
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- Oh god.
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- They had to prepare for the body.
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- A part of our challenge today brothers and sisters,
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- Particularly in the african american church is some--and
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- I've seen other churches as well, but sometimes we are too
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- Lenient and we are too liberal
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- In our assignment of credentials on individuals.
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- Sometimes what we've done is we've based it on a social
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- Economic contribution.
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- Sometimes the people who contribute the most qualify for
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- Leadership the most.
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- Regardless of whether there has been preparation or not.
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- But you just can't handle the body 'cause we have to be
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- Careful that we lay hands on no man or woman suddenly lest we
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- Become a partaker of their evil deeds.
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- And here is why in the state where i pastor and where i live
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- In georgia, it is easier in most settings to get a ministerial
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- License than it is to get a driver's license.
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- It is easier to get a license to preach than it is to get a
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- Cosmetology license.
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- Let me say a couple of things.
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- If your beautician or your barber is negligent, the worst
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- Thing that happens is you end up bald.
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- But if the preacher, teacher, leader is guilty of homiletical
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- And ecclesiastical malpractice, that has eternal repercussions.
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- Somebody can die and go to hell as a result of us not making
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- Sure that people have approached the body the right way.
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- Male announcer: throughout the ages, history reveals a
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- Timeless truth.
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- That the torch of leadership not only blazes trails, but lights
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- The path for those who follow.
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- Every era has its torch bearers who inspire, innovate, and
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- Take risks.
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- And when the moment calls for the changing of the guard, a new
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- Dawn rises and the flame multiplies.
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- This is the international leadership summit, a place where
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- Leaders from all walks are equipped to shape the future.
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- Will your legacy light the way?
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- ♪♪♪
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- Dr. dewey: that's the authorization to care for
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- The body.
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- There is the approach to the body.
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- Let me tell you why i love this.
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- Joseph provided a new tomb.
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- Joseph is a wealthy businessman.
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- He's not a levite.
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- He's not a priest.
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- Joseph is a wealthy man in leadership in the land and yet
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- He still loves the lord.
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- Joseph cares for the body without a title and
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- He brings his own tomb that he had invested in.
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- Use his wealth because he wanted the king of kings to have a
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- Proper burial.
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- And so when joseph was willing to sacrifice to give up a tomb
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- That was new for the king, nicodemus comes along.
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- And nicodemus sees joseph caring for the body and because joseph
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- Made a contribution, nicodemus sees the contribution that
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- Joseph makes and he brings 75 pounds of myrrh and alloys to
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- Help joseph to care for the body.
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- When i read that it didn't really strike a bell to me until
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- I dug deeper to look at what that really meant.
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- It really meant in our terms that nicodemus brought the
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- Equivalent of $200,000 that he would pour on the composition--
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- On the physical composition, physiological composition of
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- This preacher called jesus.
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- He makes a $200,000 investment in jesus's body at his death.
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- Can i tell you why this blessed me?
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- This blessed me because there's some joseph's and some jessica's
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- Out here who are pastoring your congregation.
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- You left corporate america, you left it all behind because you
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- Believe you were called to pastor.
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- And yet in march of 2020, somebody, somebody by the name
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- Of coronavirus came and basically excavated all your
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- Efforts and all the seeds you've sown and here you're caring for
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- The body by yourself in spite of all you've invested and you're
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- Wondering, would i ever see a return on what i've invested?
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- I came to tell you that if you're that person and you came
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- To orlando 'cause you've been struggling to care for a
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- Business or to care for the body that god authorized you to care
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- For, god sent me one word for you and the word is this, that
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- He's gonna send a joseph and a nicodemus who's gonna invest in
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- Your efforts to care for the body.
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- For every joseph, there's a nicodemus.
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- For every bishop thomas dexter jakes, there's a bank
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- Of america.
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- For every pastor, there's a good soil.
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- I want you to open your eyes and see this week that what god is
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- Doing for bishop, he's not just doing it for bishop and sarah
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- And touré and serita, he's doing it for everybody who's got
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- The faith to believe a nicodemus is coming to invest
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- In my effort.
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- So joseph and nick stepped to the plate, but they couldn't do
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- It by themselves.
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- The assignment was not complete until the women showed up.
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- I got to deal with this because in a day where denominations are
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- Still arguing whether a woman can be used to preach the
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- Gospel, i just came to tell you, women were the last ones at
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- The cross.
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- Y'all not gonna help me preach here and as a consequence luke
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- Says, let me break through the pages of first
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- Century patriarchy.
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- Let me break through the pages of palestinian misogyny and 1st
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- Century greco-roman toxic masculinity to say that the job
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- Is not finished until the ladies show up.
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- Y'all quiet on me.
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- I thank god.
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- You know why i thank god? i look at my life now.
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- My mama left me a few years ago and she with the lord and i
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- Thought about this, sarah, when i want to hear preaching, i call
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- My daddy, but when i wanted somebody to pray for me, i call
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- My mama.
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- And can i tell you something?
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- She with the lord now, but i'm preaching on this stage 'cause
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- Of prayers my mama prayed for me.
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- And i'm so glad mama prayed for me, had me on her mind, took
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- The time.
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- Won't you shake a neighbor's hand and say, "where would you
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- Be if grandma didn't pray for you?
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- Where would you be if auntie didn't pray for you?"
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- Give god praise and glory for the women who showed up in
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- Your life.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Dr. dewey: find a lady next to you and say,
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- Go on with your bad self.
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- Don't let your denomination stop you.
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- Don't let your gender stop you.
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- Go on with your bad self.
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- I need some wailing women to open up your mouth and shout,
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- "i'm here."
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- Attention!
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- Come on and stop for duty.
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- [speaking in tongues]
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- ♪♪♪
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- Dr. dewey: i need every lady who's been struggling with your
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- Call, i need every lady, your family don't believe in you,
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- Your church don't believe in you, your men don't believe you.
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- Get in the aisle and say, "i'm sure enough to do that."
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- We need some valiant leadership in volatile times.
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- I need the women to say, "prayer that i accounted for."
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- ♪♪♪
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- Dr. dewey: i got three more things to tell you.
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- Those women were the last ones at the cross,
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- But they also were the first ones
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- At the tomb.
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- Now, i'm finished y'all stay with me.
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- I believe that they had lost some faith.
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- Ladies, just 'cause you're short don't mean that you
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- Won't struggle.
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- I gotta respect them because they were there.
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- However, i believe they lost some faith and i wanna believe
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- That the disciples absence, it's what made them lose their faith.
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- Now-- luke 24 never explicitly says they lost
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- Their faith.
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- Are you isogenically insinuating that?
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- Is that homiletical hyperbole?
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- No.
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- I gotta honor them 'cause they are there, but i believe they
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- Lost faith, a little faith.
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- Here's why.
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- Because when they showed up in luke 24:1, they brought
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- Spices and ointment
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- And that's how i know they lost their faith.
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- I appreciate them for their presence and for their presents,
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- But i believe they were so perplexed they lost their faith
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- They lost some faith.
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- Here's why.
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- They brought spices and ointment when they should have brought
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- Sausage and oatmeal.
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- They should have known after three days he was gonna
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- Be hungry.
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- Grab a neighbor's hands and say, "neighbor, you show up on sunday
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- Morning, bring some sausage and some oatmeal with you 'cause he
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- Ain't gonna be there.
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- Let me finish, listen.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Dr. dewey: and so luke said the angels showed up in luke 24 and
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- Said, why y'all seeking the living?
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- I'm glad y'all here but remember this, it's not your job to
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- Resurrect him.
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- Is your body just to care.
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- Some of you have been depressed 'cause you don't see the body
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- Being resurrected quickly.
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- That's why god took ezekiel into a valley of bones.
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- Bones which had been bleached dry by the unsympathetic
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- Babylonian son.
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- And god asked ezekiel, "son of man, can these bones live?"
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- Ezekiel didn't get depressed then reach for his patrol or
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- His cannabis.
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- He said, "lord, this is your valley.
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- These are your bones.
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- All i can do is care and prophesy.
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- You gonna do the resurrecting."
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- So here's your last part, your assignment within the body.
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- Ladies, he's not here.
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- Thank you for showing up, but go tell the disciples
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- He is risen just like he said he would.
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- Bishop t.d. jakes: good soil is us building us.
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- Vusi thembekwayo: it's about integration, not competition.
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- John hope bryant: you are the change makers.
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- Bishop jakes: we don't have to be monolithic in order to
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- Be united.
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- Mellody hobson: we can transform business in america.
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- Vusi: think scale.
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- John: it's not a reboot, it's a reset.
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- Bishop jakes: all of us have
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- Seeds of potential in us.
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- John: you got all the dna for success right inside of you.
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- Janell stephens: i started in my kitchen actually, yes.
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- Mellody: i wanna change the idea of what a minority business is.
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- John: the world shifted.
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- Bishop jakes: tomorrow's up for grabs, right now is the moment.
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- This is just the beginning.
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- And share your story of how god is impacting your life.
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- We look forward to seeing you
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- Next time on "the potter's touch."
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- ♪ the potter's touch, the potter's touch ♪
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- ♪♪♪
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