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Praise | Charles Stanley | October 12, 2020

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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: DR. CHARLES
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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: DR. CHARLESSTANLEY IS THE SENIOR PASTOR OF
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  • STANLEY IS THE SENIOR PASTOR OFFIRST BAPTIST CHURCH ATLANTA,
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  • FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH ATLANTA,FOUNDER OF IN TOUCH MINISTRIES,
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  • FOUNDER OF IN TOUCH MINISTRIES,AND A "NEW YORK TIMES"
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  • AND A "NEW YORK TIMES"BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, WHO HAS
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  • BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, WHO HASWRITTEN MORE THAN 60 BOOKS AND
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  • WRITTEN MORE THAN 60 BOOKS ANDHAS SOLD MORE THAN 10 MILLION
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  • HAS SOLD MORE THAN 10 MILLIONCOPIES.
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  • COPIES.HIS TEACHINGS COULD BE HEARD
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  • HIS TEACHINGS COULD BE HEARDDAILY ON "IN TOUCH WITH
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  • DAILY ON "IN TOUCH WITHDR. CHARLES STANLEY," RADIO AND
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  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY," RADIO ANDTELEVISION BROADCASTS ON MORE
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  • TELEVISION BROADCASTS ON MORETHAN 2.800 STATIONS AROUND THE
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  • THAN 2.800 STATIONS AROUND THEWORLD.
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  • WORLD.- DR. CHARLES STANLEY: I'M JUST
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  • - DR. CHARLES STANLEY: I'M JUSTSEEING GOD WORK IN EVERY SINGLE
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  • SEEING GOD WORK IN EVERY SINGLECIRCUMSTANCE.
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  • CIRCUMSTANCE.IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.
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  • IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.HOW CAN YOU LOSE THE GOD WHO
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  • HOW CAN YOU LOSE THE GOD WHOCREATED IT ALL?
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  • CREATED IT ALL?- ANNOUNCER: HE DEMONSTRATES A
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  • - ANNOUNCER: HE DEMONSTRATES AKEEN AWARENESS OF PEOPLE'S NEEDS
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  • KEEN AWARENESS OF PEOPLE'S NEEDSAND PROVIDES CHRIST-CENTERED,
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  • AND PROVIDES CHRIST-CENTERED,BIBLICALLY BASED PRINCIPLES FOR
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  • BIBLICALLY BASED PRINCIPLES FOREVERYDAY LIFE.
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  • EVERYDAY LIFE.NOW PLEASE WELCOME DR. CHARLES
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  • - ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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  • - ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON"PRAISE," FROM NASHVILLE,
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  • "PRAISE," FROM NASHVILLE,TENNESSEE, FOUNDER OF IN TOUCH
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  • TENNESSEE, FOUNDER OF IN TOUCHMINISTRIES, SENIOR PASTOR AND
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  • MINISTRIES, SENIOR PASTOR ANDBEST-SELLING AUTHOR,
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  • BEST-SELLING AUTHOR,DR. CHARLES STANLEY.
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  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY.DR. CHARLES STANLEY.
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  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY.AND NOW MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH.
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR IT
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR ITIS TODAY TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS
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  • RIGHT HERE FROM ATLANTA,
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  • RIGHT HERE FROM ATLANTA,GEORGIA, AND THE
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  • GEORGIA, AND THEIN TOUCH STUDIOS.
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  • THANK YOU FOR SITTING WITH US
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  • THANK YOU FOR SITTING WITH USFOR THE NEXT ONE HOUR OR SO.
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  • FOR THE NEXT ONE HOUR OR SO.- LAURIE CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR.
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  • - LAURIE CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR.- MATT: IT IS FANTASTIC.
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  • - MATT: IT IS FANTASTIC.NOW, LET ME JUST BRAG ON
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  • NOW, LET ME JUST BRAG ONDR. STANLEY FOR JUST A SECOND.
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  • DR. STANLEY FOR JUST A SECOND.WE BELIEVE YOU'RE TBN'S
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  • WE BELIEVE YOU'RE TBN'SLONGEST-RUNNING BROADCAST.
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  • LONGEST-RUNNING BROADCAST.YOUR RATINGS ON TBN ARE HIGHER
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  • YOUR RATINGS ON TBN ARE HIGHERTHAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN, AND WE
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  • THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN, AND WEFEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO
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  • FEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT HONOR TOBE WITH YOU TODAY AND TO WELCOME
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  • BE WITH YOU TODAY AND TO WELCOMEYOU TO THIS "PRAISE" PROGRAM,
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  • YOU TO THIS "PRAISE" PROGRAM,BUT FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOUR
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  • BUT FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOUROWN HOME HERE, IN TOUCH STUDIOS.
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  • OWN HOME HERE, IN TOUCH STUDIOS.- CHARLES: WELL, THANK YOU VERY
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, THANK YOU VERYMUCH.
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  • MUCH.I APPRECIATE THAT.
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  • I APPRECIATE THAT.- MATT: OKAY, WE FOUND A THEME
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  • - MATT: OKAY, WE FOUND A THEMEAS WE WERE BACK IN THE
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  • AS WE WERE BACK IN THEGREENROOM.
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  • GREENROOM.FIRST OF ALL, WHEREVER YOU'RE
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  • FIRST OF ALL, WHEREVER YOU'REWATCHING, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE
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  • WATCHING, YOU'RE GONNA LOVETHIS, AND EVERYONE LOVES
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  • THIS, AND EVERYONE LOVESDR. STANLEY, SO, I MEAN, CALL
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  • DR. STANLEY, SO, I MEAN, CALLSOMEBODY.
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  • SOMEBODY.- LAURIE: CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
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  • - LAURIE: CAN I ASK A QUESTION?WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DO SO WELL
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  • WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DO SO WELLON TELEVISION?
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  • ON TELEVISION?WHY DO YOU THINK NOW-- YOU KNOW,
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  • WHY DO YOU THINK NOW-- YOU KNOW,YOU'RE 85-GOOD-LOOKIN'-YEARS
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  • YOU'RE 85-GOOD-LOOKIN'-YEARSOLD.
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  • OLD.WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, I DON'T KNOW
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, I DON'T KNOWWHY EXACTLY EXCEPT I THINK-- YOU
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  • WHY EXACTLY EXCEPT I THINK-- YOUWOULD NORMALLY THINK THAT AGE
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  • WOULD NORMALLY THINK THAT AGEWOULD BE A DISADVANTAGE, BUT IN
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  • WOULD BE A DISADVANTAGE, BUT INTHE SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE,
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  • THE SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE,AGE IS AN ADVANTAGE, THAT IS, IF
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  • AGE IS AN ADVANTAGE, THAT IS, IFYOU HAVE THE TRUTH AND YOU'RE
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  • YOU HAVE THE TRUTH AND YOU'REABLE TO SPEAK IT AND YOU HAVE
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  • PEOPLE LISTEN.
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  • PEOPLE LISTEN.- LAURIE: WELL, TO ME, IT JUST
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  • - LAURIE: WELL, TO ME, IT JUSTSEEMS LIKE THERE IS A HUNGER FOR
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  • SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A HUNGER FORAN ELDER STATESMAN FOR-- I MEAN,
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  • AN ELDER STATESMAN FOR-- I MEAN,TALK ABOUT THE HALL OF FAITH, I
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  • TALK ABOUT THE HALL OF FAITH, ITHINK THIS MAN WOULD BE RIGHT
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  • THINK THIS MAN WOULD BE RIGHTTHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF 'EM, IN
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  • THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF 'EM, INHEBREWS 11 AND 12, BUT I JUST
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  • HEBREWS 11 AND 12, BUT I JUSTTHINK THAT'S AMAZING.
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  • THINK THAT'S AMAZING.I LOVE YOU, AND I JUST THINK
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  • I LOVE YOU, AND I JUST THINKTHAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE, THE
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  • THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE, THEYOUNGER GENERATIONS NEED YOUR
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  • YOUNGER GENERATIONS NEED YOURVOICE IN THEIR LIFE, AND I THINK
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  • VOICE IN THEIR LIFE, AND I THINKTHAT'S VERY EVIDENT.
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  • THAT'S VERY EVIDENT.- MATT: COULD YOU GIVE ME A
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  • - MATT: COULD YOU GIVE ME ACOMPLIMENT, KIND OF, LIKE YOU'RE
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  • COMPLIMENT, KIND OF, LIKE YOU'REGIVING HIM TOO?
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  • GIVING HIM TOO?- LAURIE: I JUST THINK YOU'RE
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  • - LAURIE: I JUST THINK YOU'REALWAYS ADORABLE.
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  • ALWAYS ADORABLE.- MATT: I'M FEELING A LITTLE
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  • - MATT: I'M FEELING A LITTLEJEALOUS RIGHT NOW SO--
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  • JEALOUS RIGHT NOW SO--[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- LAURIE: WELL, LET'S JUST PUT
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  • - LAURIE: WELL, LET'S JUST PUTIT THIS WAY: I HOPE YOU LOOK
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  • IT THIS WAY: I HOPE YOU LOOKLIKE HIM WHEN YOU'RE 85.
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  • LIKE HIM WHEN YOU'RE 85.- MATT: YEAH, I DO TOO.
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  • - MATT: YEAH, I DO TOO.[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]OKAY, WE'LL GET THERE.
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  • OKAY, WE'LL GET THERE.- CHARLES: OH, ME.
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  • - CHARLES: OH, ME.- MATT: BACK IN THE BACK, WE
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  • - MATT: BACK IN THE BACK, WEFOUND A BIT OF A THEME.
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  • FOUND A BIT OF A THEME.IT'S ONE OF THE LIFE LESSONS, IN
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  • IT'S ONE OF THE LIFE LESSONS, INESSENCE, AND ONE OF THE THEMATIC
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  • ESSENCE, AND ONE OF THE THEMATICTHINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TOUCH
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  • THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TOUCHON, KIND OF, "THE GOOD, THE BAD,
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  • ON, KIND OF, "THE GOOD, THE BAD,AND THE UGLY," HERE.
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  • AND THE UGLY," HERE.IT'S ALL MAINLY GONNA BE GOOD,
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  • IT'S ALL MAINLY GONNA BE GOOD,BUT "OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE
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  • BUT "OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THECONSEQUENCES TO HIM."
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  • CONSEQUENCES TO HIM."- CHARLES: CORRECT.
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  • - CHARLES: CORRECT.- MATT: WHERE DID THAT COME
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  • - MATT: WHERE DID THAT COMEFROM?
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  • FROM?- CHARLES: WELL, WHEN I WAS 18,
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, WHEN I WAS 18,I HAD FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL, AND
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  • I HAD FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL, ANDI WAS GOIN' TO COLLEGE, AND I
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  • I WAS GOIN' TO COLLEGE, AND ITHOUGHT, "MY GRANDFATHER, I'D
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  • THOUGHT, "MY GRANDFATHER, I'DONLY SEEN HIM TWICE BEFORE."
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  • ONLY SEEN HIM TWICE BEFORE."HE'D BEEN A PENTECOSTAL PREACHER
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  • HE'D BEEN A PENTECOSTAL PREACHERFOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND HE WAS
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  • FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND HE WASIN HIS 70s AT THIS TIME, AND SO
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  • IN HIS 70s AT THIS TIME, AND SOI THOUGHT, "WELL, I NEED TO GO
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  • I THOUGHT, "WELL, I NEED TO GOTALK TO MY GRANDDAD," FOR SOME
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  • TALK TO MY GRANDDAD," FOR SOMEREASON, SO I WENT DOWN, AND I
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  • REASON, SO I WENT DOWN, AND ISPENT A WEEK WITH HIM, AND I
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  • SPENT A WEEK WITH HIM, AND ITOLD HIM, I SAID, "I JUST WANNA
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  • TOLD HIM, I SAID, "I JUST WANNALISTEN TO YA."
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  • LISTEN TO YA."HE'D BEEN A PASTOR ALL
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  • HE'D BEEN A PASTOR ALLTHESE YEARS.
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  • THESE YEARS.SO WE WOULD SIT ON HIS
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  • SO WE WOULD SIT ON HISSCREENED-IN BACK PORCH IN SILER
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  • SCREENED-IN BACK PORCH IN SILERCITY, NORTH CAROLINA, AND I
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  • CITY, NORTH CAROLINA, AND IWOULD JUST ASK HIM QUESTIONS, I
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  • WOULD JUST ASK HIM QUESTIONS, IMEAN, JUST ALL KIND OF
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  • MEAN, JUST ALL KIND OFQUESTIONS, AND HE WOULD SIT
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  • QUESTIONS, AND HE WOULD SITTHERE AND TALK.
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  • THERE AND TALK.WE'D GO EAT LUNCH AND COME
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  • WE'D GO EAT LUNCH AND COMEBACK AND SIT DOWN, AND SO, IN
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  • BACK AND SIT DOWN, AND SO, INTHE PROCESS OF ALL THE THINGS HE
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  • THE PROCESS OF ALL THE THINGS HESAID TO ME, HE SAID THIS: HE
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  • SAID TO ME, HE SAID THIS: HESAYS, "WHEN YOU'RE GOIN' THROUGH
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  • SAYS, "WHEN YOU'RE GOIN' THROUGHA HARD TIME," HE SAID, PUT IT
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  • A HARD TIME," HE SAID, PUT ITTHIS WAY, "IF GOD TELLS YOU TO
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  • THIS WAY, "IF GOD TELLS YOU TOHEAD TOWARD A BRICK WALL AND YOU
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  • HEAD TOWARD A BRICK WALL AND YOUHEAD FOR THE WALL-- AND WHEN YOU
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  • HEAD FOR THE WALL-- AND WHEN YOUGET THERE, GOD'LL MAKE A HOLE
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  • GET THERE, GOD'LL MAKE A HOLEFOR IT."
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  • FOR IT."SO I CHUCKLED LIKE THAT
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  • SO I CHUCKLED LIKE THATAND DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING
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  • AND DIDN'T THINK ANYTHINGABOUT IT, BUT ON MY WAY HOME,
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  • ABOUT IT, BUT ON MY WAY HOME,THINKIN' ABOUT THAT--
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  • THINKIN' ABOUT THAT--I CAN HARDLY TELL YOU--
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  • I CAN HARDLY TELL YOU--IT'S LIKE GOD SAID TO ME--
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  • IT'S LIKE GOD SAID TO ME--HERE'S WHAT HE SAID:
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  • HERE'S WHAT HE SAID:OBEY GOD AND LEAVE ALL THE
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  • OBEY GOD AND LEAVE ALL THECONSEQUENCES TO HIM, AND "I WANT
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  • CONSEQUENCES TO HIM, AND "I WANTYOU TO REMEMBER THAT."
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  • YOU TO REMEMBER THAT.""YES, LORD, I WILL."
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  • "YES, LORD, I WILL."- MATT: SO NOT TO START HERE,
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  • - MATT: SO NOT TO START HERE,BUT YOU JUST SAID, "IN A TOUGH
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  • BUT YOU JUST SAID, "IN A TOUGHTIME."
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  • TIME."THERE'S BEEN A FEW TOUGH TIMES
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  • THERE'S BEEN A FEW TOUGH TIMESTHAT YOU'VE LIVED THROUGH.
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  • THAT YOU'VE LIVED THROUGH.YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF
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  • YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF'EM.
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  • 'EM.WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME OF 'EM.
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  • WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME OF 'EM.I'M GONNA ASK YOU A TOUGH
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  • I'M GONNA ASK YOU A TOUGHTHING-- AND TRUST GOD, OBEY GOD,
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  • THING-- AND TRUST GOD, OBEY GOD,AND LEAVE THE CONSEQUENCES.
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  • AND LEAVE THE CONSEQUENCES.YOU GOT A REALLY HORRIBLE PHONE
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  • YOU GOT A REALLY HORRIBLE PHONECALL ONE MORNING FROM YOUR
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  • CALL ONE MORNING FROM YOURFORMER WIFE.
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  • FORMER WIFE.TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
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  • TELL ME ABOUT THAT.- CHARLES: WELL, IT WAS A
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, IT WAS ASURPRISE BUT NOT-- IN A WAY, IT
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  • SURPRISE BUT NOT-- IN A WAY, ITWASN'T.
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  • WASN'T.SHE HAD LEFT ME FOR QUITE SOME
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  • SHE HAD LEFT ME FOR QUITE SOMETIME, AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY,
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  • TIME, AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY,"WELL, HOW CAN YOU PREACH IF
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  • "WELL, HOW CAN YOU PREACH IFYOUR WIFE'S GONE?"
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  • YOUR WIFE'S GONE?"I SAY, "WELL, BECAUSE GOD HADN'T
  • 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:02.618
  • I SAY, "WELL, BECAUSE GOD HADN'TTOLD ME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE."
  • 00:06:02.618 --> 00:06:03.886
  • TOLD ME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE."AND SO THAT WENT ON FOR A WHILE
  • 00:06:03.886 --> 00:06:05.521
  • AND SO THAT WENT ON FOR A WHILEUNTIL, FINALLY, SHE DECIDED THAT
  • 00:06:05.521 --> 00:06:09.358
  • UNTIL, FINALLY, SHE DECIDED THATSHE WANTED TO DIVORCE.
  • 00:06:09.358 --> 00:06:10.026
  • SHE WANTED TO DIVORCE.AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING
  • 00:06:10.026 --> 00:06:12.028
  • AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHINGCRITICAL, NECESSARILY, TO SAY
  • 00:06:12.028 --> 00:06:14.163
  • CRITICAL, NECESSARILY, TO SAYABOUT ME, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
  • 00:06:14.163 --> 00:06:17.733
  • ABOUT ME, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLEALWAYS SUSPECT THINGS, AND SO,
  • 00:06:17.733 --> 00:06:20.136
  • ALWAYS SUSPECT THINGS, AND SO,FINALLY, SHE DECIDED, "I JUST
  • 00:06:20.136 --> 00:06:21.771
  • FINALLY, SHE DECIDED, "I JUSTDON'T WANNA LIVE WITH YOU ANY
  • 00:06:21.771 --> 00:06:24.941
  • DON'T WANNA LIVE WITH YOU ANYLONGER, AND I WANT A DIVORCE."
  • 00:06:24.941 --> 00:06:27.343
  • LONGER, AND I WANT A DIVORCE."SO WHEN THAT WORD GOT OUT, YOU
  • 00:06:27.343 --> 00:06:28.878
  • SO WHEN THAT WORD GOT OUT, YOUKNOW, PEOPLE SAID, "WELL, YOU
  • 00:06:28.878 --> 00:06:30.346
  • KNOW, PEOPLE SAID, "WELL, YOUCAN'T BE A PASTOR OF A CHURCH
  • 00:06:30.346 --> 00:06:32.882
  • CAN'T BE A PASTOR OF A CHURCHWITH YOUR WIFE GONE."
  • 00:06:32.882 --> 00:06:34.250
  • WITH YOUR WIFE GONE."AND SO I'D GET DOWN TO PRAY,
  • 00:06:34.250 --> 00:06:35.585
  • AND SO I'D GET DOWN TO PRAY,AND THE LORD JUST TELL ME,
  • 00:06:35.585 --> 00:06:36.919
  • AND THE LORD JUST TELL ME,"YOU KEEP DOIN' WHAT I'VE
  • 00:06:36.919 --> 00:06:37.587
  • "YOU KEEP DOIN' WHAT I'VECALLED YOU TO DO UNTIL I
  • 00:06:37.587 --> 00:06:38.855
  • CALLED YOU TO DO UNTIL ITELL YOU TO DO SOMETHIN' ELSE."
  • 00:06:38.855 --> 00:06:40.490
  • TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHIN' ELSE."AND SO, FINALLY, WHEN HER
  • 00:06:40.490 --> 00:06:41.724
  • AND SO, FINALLY, WHEN HERATTORNEY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME
  • 00:06:41.724 --> 00:06:45.661
  • ATTORNEY CALLED ME AND TOLD MEIT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AND WHERE
  • 00:06:45.661 --> 00:06:48.030
  • IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AND WHERESHOULD HE LEAVE THE PAPERS, AND
  • 00:06:48.030 --> 00:06:49.332
  • SHOULD HE LEAVE THE PAPERS, ANDI TOLD HIM, I PUT THE PHONE
  • 00:06:49.332 --> 00:06:50.433
  • I TOLD HIM, I PUT THE PHONEDOWN, AND I HAD THIS
  • 00:06:50.433 --> 00:06:52.702
  • DOWN, AND I HAD THISOVERWHELMING SENSE OF PEACE.
  • 00:06:52.702 --> 00:06:53.769
  • OVERWHELMING SENSE OF PEACE.I THOUGHT, "GOD, I'VE OBEYED
  • 00:06:53.769 --> 00:06:56.506
  • I THOUGHT, "GOD, I'VE OBEYEDYOU.
  • 00:06:56.506 --> 00:06:58.574
  • YOU.THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
  • 00:06:58.574 --> 00:07:00.977
  • THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.NOW I'M GONNA TRUST YOU."
  • 00:07:00.977 --> 00:07:01.611
  • NOW I'M GONNA TRUST YOU."AND, NATURALLY, SOME FOLKS
  • 00:07:01.611 --> 00:07:02.512
  • AND, NATURALLY, SOME FOLKSIN THE CHURCH GOT UPSET,
  • 00:07:02.512 --> 00:07:03.880
  • IN THE CHURCH GOT UPSET,AND I TOLD THEM,
  • 00:07:03.880 --> 00:07:05.147
  • AND I TOLD THEM,I SAID, "WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:07:05.147 --> 00:07:06.582
  • I SAID, "WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?GOD HADN'T TOLD ME TO DO
  • 00:07:06.582 --> 00:07:07.583
  • GOD HADN'T TOLD ME TO DOANYTHING BUT WHAT I'M DOIN', SO
  • 00:07:07.583 --> 00:07:09.151
  • ANYTHING BUT WHAT I'M DOIN', SOI INTEND TO DO THAT UNTIL HE
  • 00:07:09.151 --> 00:07:11.053
  • I INTEND TO DO THAT UNTIL HETELLS ME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE."
  • 00:07:11.053 --> 00:07:14.156
  • TELLS ME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE."AND SO THAT WENT ON, AND THE
  • 00:07:14.156 --> 00:07:17.593
  • AND SO THAT WENT ON, AND THEWORD GOT OUT, AND IT WAS ON
  • 00:07:17.593 --> 00:07:19.362
  • WORD GOT OUT, AND IT WAS ONTELEVISION.
  • 00:07:19.362 --> 00:07:20.530
  • TELEVISION.FOLKS-- WE HAD PEOPLE CALLING US
  • 00:07:20.530 --> 00:07:21.764
  • FOLKS-- WE HAD PEOPLE CALLING USFROM LONDON, AND THIS, THAT, AND
  • 00:07:21.764 --> 00:07:22.999
  • FROM LONDON, AND THIS, THAT, ANDTHE OTHER-- AND SAID, "WE'RE
  • 00:07:22.999 --> 00:07:23.900
  • THE OTHER-- AND SAID, "WE'REJUST GONNA KEEP DOING WHAT GOD
  • 00:07:23.900 --> 00:07:25.101
  • JUST GONNA KEEP DOING WHAT GODSAID, DO."
  • 00:07:25.101 --> 00:07:26.903
  • SAID, DO."AND THEN I GOT A LOT OF
  • 00:07:26.903 --> 00:07:27.870
  • AND THEN I GOT A LOT OFENCOURAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:07:27.870 --> 00:07:30.106
  • ENCOURAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE WHOSAID, "WELL, YOU DON'T-- THAT
  • 00:07:30.106 --> 00:07:32.174
  • SAID, "WELL, YOU DON'T-- THATWASN'T YOUR DECISION.
  • 00:07:32.174 --> 00:07:32.808
  • WASN'T YOUR DECISION.YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:07:32.808 --> 00:07:33.242
  • YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'REDOING."
  • 00:07:33.242 --> 00:07:36.112
  • DOING."SO, FINALLY, IT WAS ALL OVER,
  • 00:07:36.112 --> 00:07:38.347
  • SO, FINALLY, IT WAS ALL OVER,AND I LOOK BACK AND SEE
  • 00:07:38.347 --> 00:07:39.282
  • AND I LOOK BACK AND SEEHOW GOD PROTECTED ME THROUGH
  • 00:07:39.282 --> 00:07:40.983
  • HOW GOD PROTECTED ME THROUGHTHAT, AND I HAD NO ANIMOSITY.
  • 00:07:40.983 --> 00:07:44.654
  • THAT, AND I HAD NO ANIMOSITY.IT WASN'T MY IDEA.
  • 00:07:44.654 --> 00:07:48.357
  • IT WASN'T MY IDEA.AND SO SHE DIVORCED ME, AND I
  • 00:07:48.357 --> 00:07:51.928
  • AND SO SHE DIVORCED ME, AND IREMEMBER A CRITICAL MOMENT IN
  • 00:07:51.928 --> 00:07:54.564
  • REMEMBER A CRITICAL MOMENT INTHAT, WHEN WE WERE STANDING IN
  • 00:07:54.564 --> 00:07:55.398
  • THAT, WHEN WE WERE STANDING INTHE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEY
  • 00:07:55.398 --> 00:07:57.700
  • THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEYWERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT THEY
  • 00:07:57.700 --> 00:08:00.636
  • WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT THEYWANTED, AND THIS, THAT, AND THE
  • 00:08:00.636 --> 00:08:01.938
  • WANTED, AND THIS, THAT, AND THEOTHER, AND SO, FINALLY, THE LORD
  • 00:08:01.938 --> 00:08:03.606
  • OTHER, AND SO, FINALLY, THE LORDREMINDED ME OF A STATEMENT I HAD
  • 00:08:03.606 --> 00:08:05.341
  • REMINDED ME OF A STATEMENT I HADHEARD BEFORE AND READ, AND I
  • 00:08:05.341 --> 00:08:08.644
  • HEARD BEFORE AND READ, AND ISAID, "YES, LORD."
  • 00:08:08.644 --> 00:08:09.879
  • SAID, "YES, LORD."SO I SAID,
  • 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.481
  • SO I SAID,"HERE'S THE DEAL, SO TAKE IT OR
  • 00:08:12.481 --> 00:08:15.918
  • "HERE'S THE DEAL, SO TAKE IT ORLEAVE IT," SO MY ATTORNEY DID,
  • 00:08:15.918 --> 00:08:20.423
  • LEAVE IT," SO MY ATTORNEY DID,AND SO, IN FIVE MINUTES, THEY
  • 00:08:20.423 --> 00:08:22.124
  • AND SO, IN FIVE MINUTES, THEYSAID, "OKAY."
  • 00:08:22.124 --> 00:08:22.725
  • SAID, "OKAY."AND SO I NEVER FELT LIKE
  • 00:08:22.725 --> 00:08:25.161
  • AND SO I NEVER FELT LIKEI REALLY DIVORCED HER.
  • 00:08:25.161 --> 00:08:27.563
  • I REALLY DIVORCED HER.SHE ASKED FOR IT.
  • 00:08:27.563 --> 00:08:29.498
  • SHE ASKED FOR IT.I RESPONDED TO IT.
  • 00:08:29.498 --> 00:08:30.800
  • I RESPONDED TO IT.WHAT ELSE COULD I DO?
  • 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.668
  • WHAT ELSE COULD I DO?AND I FELT LIKE I HAD OBEYED GOD
  • 00:08:32.668 --> 00:08:35.738
  • AND I FELT LIKE I HAD OBEYED GODBY RESPONDING, AND I KNEW THAT
  • 00:08:35.738 --> 00:08:38.107
  • YOU'VE WEATHERED A STORM THAT,
  • 00:08:51.253 --> 00:08:51.921
  • YOU'VE WEATHERED A STORM THAT,MOST OF THE TIME, SINKS THE
  • 00:08:51.921 --> 00:08:54.957
  • MOST OF THE TIME, SINKS THESHIP.
  • 00:08:54.957 --> 00:08:57.426
  • SHIP.I LOOK AROUND HERE, AND THE
  • 00:08:57.426 --> 00:09:00.196
  • AT 85, YOU'VE NEVER HAD, YOU
  • 00:09:03.032 --> 00:09:04.066
  • AT 85, YOU'VE NEVER HAD, YOUKNOW, THE RESPONSE TO YOUR
  • 00:09:04.066 --> 00:09:04.800
  • KNOW, THE RESPONSE TO YOURBROADCAST, THESE BUILDINGS, THE
  • 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:06.869
  • YOU JUST KEPT DOING WHAT GOD
  • 00:09:08.537 --> 00:09:09.572
  • YOU JUST KEPT DOING WHAT GODTOLD YOU TO DO.
  • 00:09:09.572 --> 00:09:11.374
  • TOLD YOU TO DO.IS THAT ADVICE FOR DIVORCED
  • 00:09:11.374 --> 00:09:14.176
  • IS THAT ADVICE FOR DIVORCEDFOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING THIS?
  • 00:09:14.176 --> 00:09:15.077
  • FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING THIS?- CHARLES: IF YOU ARE RIGHT
  • 00:09:15.077 --> 00:09:16.345
  • - CHARLES: IF YOU ARE RIGHTWITH GOD IN YOUR HEART AND
  • 00:09:16.345 --> 00:09:17.613
  • WITH GOD IN YOUR HEART ANDYOU'RE DOING WHAT GOD CALLED YOU
  • 00:09:17.613 --> 00:09:19.315
  • YOU'RE DOING WHAT GOD CALLED YOUTO DO, THEN YOU KEEP DOING WHAT
  • 00:09:19.315 --> 00:09:21.017
  • TO DO, THEN YOU KEEP DOING WHATHE CALLED YOU TO DO UNTIL HE
  • 00:09:21.017 --> 00:09:24.520
  • HE CALLED YOU TO DO UNTIL HETELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE,
  • 00:09:24.520 --> 00:09:25.755
  • TELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE,AND THAT WAS MY CONVICTION:
  • 00:09:25.755 --> 00:09:26.489
  • AND THAT WAS MY CONVICTION:"LORD, I'M GONNA KEEP DOING WHAT
  • 00:09:26.489 --> 00:09:27.390
  • "LORD, I'M GONNA KEEP DOING WHATYOU SAID, DO.
  • 00:09:27.390 --> 00:09:28.891
  • YOU SAID, DO.IF YOU WANT ME TO DO SOMETHING
  • 00:09:28.891 --> 00:09:30.326
  • IF YOU WANT ME TO DO SOMETHINGELSE, TELL ME, BUT UNTIL THEN,
  • 00:09:30.326 --> 00:09:32.495
  • ELSE, TELL ME, BUT UNTIL THEN,THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA DO."
  • 00:09:32.495 --> 00:09:33.663
  • THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA DO."NOW, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY IN THE
  • 00:09:33.663 --> 00:09:35.498
  • NOW, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY IN THECHURCH WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT ALL
  • 00:09:35.498 --> 00:09:36.766
  • CHURCH WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT ALLTHAT, SO I SAID, "WELL, I'M NOT
  • 00:09:36.766 --> 00:09:37.700
  • THAT, SO I SAID, "WELL, I'M NOTGOING ANYWHERE.
  • 00:09:37.700 --> 00:09:39.669
  • GOING ANYWHERE.IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, THEN I
  • 00:09:39.669 --> 00:09:41.704
  • IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, THEN IFULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR
  • 00:09:41.704 --> 00:09:43.472
  • FULLY UNDERSTAND YOURCONVICTION, BUT I'M GONNA KEEP
  • 00:09:43.472 --> 00:09:44.407
  • CONVICTION, BUT I'M GONNA KEEPDOING WHAT GOD CALLED ME TO DO,
  • 00:09:44.407 --> 00:09:46.208
  • DOING WHAT GOD CALLED ME TO DO,AND HE HADN'T TOLD ME TO LEAVE."
  • 00:09:46.208 --> 00:09:49.311
  • AND HE HADN'T TOLD ME TO LEAVE."- MATT: IF XYZ-HIGH PROFILE
  • 00:09:49.311 --> 00:09:51.347
  • - MATT: IF XYZ-HIGH PROFILECONTEMPORARY OF YOURS WROTE YOU
  • 00:09:51.347 --> 00:09:53.049
  • CONTEMPORARY OF YOURS WROTE YOUA LETTER AND SAID, "YOU NEED TO
  • 00:09:53.049 --> 00:09:54.083
  • A LETTER AND SAID, "YOU NEED TORESIGN," WHAT WOULD'VE YOUR
  • 00:09:54.083 --> 00:09:55.051
  • RESIGN," WHAT WOULD'VE YOURRESPONSE HAVE BEEN TO THAT?
  • 00:09:55.051 --> 00:09:57.720
  • RESPONSE HAVE BEEN TO THAT?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:58.454
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: WELL, I HAVE SOME OF
  • 00:09:58.454 --> 00:09:59.755
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I HAVE SOME OFTHOSE AND--
  • 00:09:59.755 --> 00:10:00.589
  • THOSE AND--[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:00.589 --> 00:10:01.290
  • [LAUGHTER]- MATT: CAN I SEE 'EM LATER?
  • 00:10:01.290 --> 00:10:01.757
  • - MATT: CAN I SEE 'EM LATER?NO, I'M KIDDING.
  • 00:10:01.757 --> 00:10:03.259
  • NO, I'M KIDDING.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:03.993
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: I SAID, "WELL, THANK
  • 00:10:03.993 --> 00:10:04.460
  • - CHARLES: I SAID, "WELL, THANKYOU VERY MUCH.
  • 00:10:04.460 --> 00:10:06.395
  • YOU VERY MUCH.I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVICTION,
  • 00:10:06.395 --> 00:10:07.530
  • I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVICTION,AND PROBABLY YEARS AGO, I
  • 00:10:07.530 --> 00:10:08.230
  • AND PROBABLY YEARS AGO, IPROBABLY WOULD'VE AGREED WITH
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:10.633
  • PROBABLY WOULD'VE AGREED WITHYA, BUT I'M DOING WHAT GOD'S
  • 00:10:10.633 --> 00:10:12.835
  • YA, BUT I'M DOING WHAT GOD'SCALLED ME TO DO TODAY, AND
  • 00:10:12.835 --> 00:10:14.737
  • CALLED ME TO DO TODAY, ANDTHAT'S ALL I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR.
  • 00:10:14.737 --> 00:10:15.638
  • THAT'S ALL I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I
  • 00:10:15.638 --> 00:10:17.506
  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND IAPPRECIATE YOUR PRAYERS."
  • 00:10:17.506 --> 00:10:18.074
  • DR. STANLEY, YOU HAVE-- WE'VE
  • 00:12:51.093 --> 00:12:52.361
  • DR. STANLEY, YOU HAVE-- WE'VEBEEN JUST TALKING ABOUT, JUST,
  • 00:12:52.361 --> 00:12:55.130
  • BEEN JUST TALKING ABOUT, JUST,THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD AND
  • 00:12:55.130 --> 00:12:57.433
  • THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD ANDFOR-- WHEN DID YOU START
  • 00:12:57.433 --> 00:13:00.169
  • FOR-- WHEN DID YOU STARTPASTORING A CHURCH?
  • 00:13:00.169 --> 00:13:00.836
  • PASTORING A CHURCH?- CHARLES: I GRADUATED FROM
  • 00:13:00.836 --> 00:13:02.671
  • - CHARLES: I GRADUATED FROMSEMINARY IN 1957, AND I STARTED
  • 00:13:02.671 --> 00:13:04.707
  • SEMINARY IN 1957, AND I STARTEDIMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:13:04.707 --> 00:13:05.507
  • IMMEDIATELY.- LAURIE: WOW, HERE IN ATLANTA?
  • 00:13:05.507 --> 00:13:06.942
  • - LAURIE: WOW, HERE IN ATLANTA?- CHARLES: NO, I WAS IN A
  • 00:13:06.942 --> 00:13:07.676
  • - CHARLES: NO, I WAS IN ALITTLE CHURCH, UP IN FRUITLAND,
  • 00:13:07.676 --> 00:13:09.378
  • LITTLE CHURCH, UP IN FRUITLAND,NORTH CAROLINA, AND I TAUGHT IN
  • 00:13:09.378 --> 00:13:10.279
  • NORTH CAROLINA, AND I TAUGHT INA BIBLE INSTITUTE AT THE SAME
  • 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.081
  • A BIBLE INSTITUTE AT THE SAMETIME.
  • 00:13:12.081 --> 00:13:13.048
  • TIME.THEN I WENT TO OHIO, OHIO TO
  • 00:13:13.048 --> 00:13:15.117
  • THEN I WENT TO OHIO, OHIO TOMIAMI, AND MIAMI TO BARTOW,
  • 00:13:15.117 --> 00:13:17.152
  • MIAMI, AND MIAMI TO BARTOW,BARTOW TO FIRST BAPTIST ATLANTA,
  • 00:13:17.152 --> 00:13:19.788
  • BARTOW TO FIRST BAPTIST ATLANTA,AND I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 50
  • 00:13:19.788 --> 00:13:21.490
  • AND I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 50YEARS.
  • 00:13:21.490 --> 00:13:22.057
  • YEARS.- LAURIE: WOW, OKAY.
  • 00:13:22.057 --> 00:13:22.992
  • - LAURIE: WOW, OKAY.- MATT: "ABOUT."
  • 00:13:22.992 --> 00:13:24.059
  • - MATT: "ABOUT."- LAURIE: SO YOU HAVE A
  • 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:26.228
  • - LAURIE: SO YOU HAVE ALIFETIME OF JUST PUTTING ONE
  • 00:13:26.228 --> 00:13:28.097
  • LIFETIME OF JUST PUTTING ONESTEP-- ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE
  • 00:13:28.097 --> 00:13:31.100
  • STEP-- ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THEOTHER AND JUST SEEING THE
  • 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:31.767
  • OTHER AND JUST SEEING THEFAITHFULNESS OF GOD IN YOUR
  • 00:13:31.767 --> 00:13:32.434
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD IN YOURLIFE, AND WE'VE BEEN SHARIN'
  • 00:13:32.434 --> 00:13:34.103
  • LIFE, AND WE'VE BEEN SHARIN'ABOUT IT.
  • 00:13:34.103 --> 00:13:36.538
  • ABOUT IT.TELL US SOME OF YOUR-- JUST SOME
  • 00:13:36.538 --> 00:13:37.673
  • TELL US SOME OF YOUR-- JUST SOMEOF THE BIG MARKERS THAT YOU KNOW
  • 00:13:37.673 --> 00:13:40.643
  • OF THE BIG MARKERS THAT YOU KNOWTHAT GOD PUT-- AND YOU
  • 00:13:40.643 --> 00:13:41.644
  • THAT GOD PUT-- AND YOUCONQUERED, AND YOU JUST KNEW
  • 00:13:41.644 --> 00:13:42.478
  • CONQUERED, AND YOU JUST KNEWTHAT YOU WERE IN THE RIGHT
  • 00:13:42.478 --> 00:13:43.279
  • THAT YOU WERE IN THE RIGHTPLACE, DOING THE RIGHT THING.
  • 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.814
  • PLACE, DOING THE RIGHT THING.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:45.814 --> 00:13:47.750
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: WELL, I HAVE LOTS OF
  • 00:13:47.750 --> 00:13:49.885
  • ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES IS WHEN
  • 00:13:51.387 --> 00:13:53.522
  • ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES IS WHENI'VE BEEN IN BARTOW ABOUT 11
  • 00:13:53.522 --> 00:13:55.958
  • I'VE BEEN IN BARTOW ABOUT 11MONTHS, AND THIS FRIEND OF MINE
  • 00:13:55.958 --> 00:13:57.359
  • MONTHS, AND THIS FRIEND OF MINEFROM FIRST BAPTIST ATLANTA,
  • 00:13:57.359 --> 00:13:58.661
  • FROM FIRST BAPTIST ATLANTA,CALLED AND SAID HE WANTED TO
  • 00:13:58.661 --> 00:13:59.595
  • CALLED AND SAID HE WANTED TOTALK TO ME ABOUT THE FACT THAT
  • 00:13:59.595 --> 00:14:02.531
  • I SAID, "WELL, I DON'T WANNA
  • 00:14:04.667 --> 00:14:05.401
  • I SAID, "WELL, I DON'T WANNATALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:14:05.401 --> 00:14:07.069
  • TALK ABOUT THAT.I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 11 MONTHS.
  • 00:14:07.069 --> 00:14:07.770
  • I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 11 MONTHS.HE SAID, "WOULD YOU PRAY ABOUT
  • 00:14:07.770 --> 00:14:08.037
  • HE SAID, "WOULD YOU PRAY ABOUTIT?"
  • 00:14:08.037 --> 00:14:09.438
  • IT?"I SAID, "WELL, I'LL PRAY ABOUT
  • 00:14:09.438 --> 00:14:10.272
  • I SAID, "WELL, I'LL PRAY ABOUTIT," BUT WE CHATTED ALONG, AND
  • 00:14:10.272 --> 00:14:12.975
  • IT," BUT WE CHATTED ALONG, ANDAS SOON AS I GOT OFF THE PHONE,
  • 00:14:12.975 --> 00:14:13.776
  • AS SOON AS I GOT OFF THE PHONE,I BROKE OUT CRYING--
  • 00:14:13.776 --> 00:14:15.544
  • I BROKE OUT CRYING--- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:14:15.544 --> 00:14:16.612
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- CHARLES: -- JUST LIKE THAT,
  • 00:14:16.612 --> 00:14:17.379
  • - CHARLES: -- JUST LIKE THAT,AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "I'M
  • 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:19.782
  • AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "I'MNOT EVEN GONNA PRAY ABOUT THAT."
  • 00:14:19.782 --> 00:14:20.382
  • NOT EVEN GONNA PRAY ABOUT THAT."I JUST BROKE OUT CRYING.
  • 00:14:20.382 --> 00:14:21.417
  • I JUST BROKE OUT CRYING.I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:14:21.417 --> 00:14:24.286
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.ANYWAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORY
  • 00:14:24.286 --> 00:14:27.323
  • ANYWAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORYSHORT, I TOLD HIM, "NO.'
  • 00:14:27.323 --> 00:14:28.958
  • SHORT, I TOLD HIM, "NO.'I TOLD HIM, "NO,"
  • 00:14:28.958 --> 00:14:29.992
  • I TOLD HIM, "NO,"SIX DIFFERENT TIMES,
  • 00:14:29.992 --> 00:14:32.661
  • SIX DIFFERENT TIMES,AND THEN I WAS UP IN ALEXANDRIA,
  • 00:14:32.661 --> 00:14:34.430
  • AND THEN I WAS UP IN ALEXANDRIA,VIRGINIA, PREACHING A REVIVAL IN
  • 00:14:34.430 --> 00:14:36.098
  • VIRGINIA, PREACHING A REVIVAL INTHE SPRING FOLLOWING THAT
  • 00:14:36.098 --> 00:14:40.002
  • THE SPRING FOLLOWING THATINVITATION, AND ONE NIGHT, I GOT
  • 00:14:40.002 --> 00:14:42.738
  • INVITATION, AND ONE NIGHT, I GOTDOWN TO PRAY.
  • 00:14:42.738 --> 00:14:43.806
  • DOWN TO PRAY.AND WHEN I SAY, "I GOT DOWN TO
  • 00:14:43.806 --> 00:14:44.907
  • AND WHEN I SAY, "I GOT DOWN TOPRAY," I'VE ALWAYS PRAYED ON MY
  • 00:14:44.907 --> 00:14:46.075
  • PRAY," I'VE ALWAYS PRAYED ON MYKNEES, SO WHEN I SAY, "I GOT
  • 00:14:46.075 --> 00:14:46.775
  • KNEES, SO WHEN I SAY, "I GOTDOWN," THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.
  • 00:14:46.775 --> 00:14:48.444
  • DOWN," THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.SO I WAS DOWN PRAYING AND ASKIN'
  • 00:14:48.444 --> 00:14:51.613
  • SO I WAS DOWN PRAYING AND ASKIN'THE LORD ABOUT THAT, AND I WAS
  • 00:14:51.613 --> 00:14:53.649
  • THE LORD ABOUT THAT, AND I WASFEELIN' SORT OF TROUBLED ABOUT
  • 00:14:53.649 --> 00:14:55.684
  • FEELIN' SORT OF TROUBLED ABOUTIT BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE
  • 00:14:55.684 --> 00:14:56.919
  • IT BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, I'VEONLY BEEN AT THIS CHURCH 11
  • 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.687
  • ONLY BEEN AT THIS CHURCH 11MONTHS, AND, SECONDLY, I
  • 00:14:58.687 --> 00:15:01.957
  • MONTHS, AND, SECONDLY, ITHOUGHT, "WHY?
  • 00:15:01.957 --> 00:15:04.126
  • THOUGHT, "WHY?TO GO TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA?
  • 00:15:04.126 --> 00:15:06.762
  • TO GO TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA?I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO TO
  • 00:15:06.762 --> 00:15:08.097
  • I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO TOATLANTA, GEORGIA."
  • 00:15:08.097 --> 00:15:09.999
  • ATLANTA, GEORGIA."SO I CAME BACK FROM
  • 00:15:09.999 --> 00:15:11.100
  • SO I CAME BACK FROMPREACHING THE NEXT NIGHT,
  • 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:13.168
  • PREACHING THE NEXT NIGHT,AND I GOT DOWN TO PRAY,
  • 00:15:13.168 --> 00:15:17.806
  • AND I GOT DOWN TO PRAY,AND I WAS PRAYING ABOUT THAT,
  • 00:15:17.806 --> 00:15:20.142
  • AND I WAS PRAYING ABOUT THAT,AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I SAW,
  • 00:15:20.142 --> 00:15:22.277
  • AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I SAW,LITERALLY, SAW THIS BIG SCREEN
  • 00:15:22.277 --> 00:15:23.912
  • LITERALLY, SAW THIS BIG SCREENLIKE YOU WOULD SHOW A MOVIE AT
  • 00:15:23.912 --> 00:15:27.850
  • LIKE YOU WOULD SHOW A MOVIE ATYOUR HOME OR SOMETHING, AND THE
  • 00:15:27.850 --> 00:15:29.418
  • YOUR HOME OR SOMETHING, AND THELORD SAID, "I'M GONNA MOVE YA."
  • 00:15:29.418 --> 00:15:30.919
  • LORD SAID, "I'M GONNA MOVE YA."I SAID, "MOVE ME?
  • 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:31.420
  • I SAID, "MOVE ME?WHEN?"
  • 00:15:31.420 --> 00:15:34.089
  • WHEN?"THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER TO
  • 00:15:34.089 --> 00:15:35.624
  • THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER TOTHE TOP RIGHT-HAND CORNER, IN
  • 00:15:35.624 --> 00:15:36.525
  • THE TOP RIGHT-HAND CORNER, INBIG, BOLD, BLACK LETTERS,
  • 00:15:36.525 --> 00:15:38.327
  • BIG, BOLD, BLACK LETTERS,"SEPTEMBER."
  • 00:15:38.327 --> 00:15:39.328
  • "SEPTEMBER."I THOUGHT, "WELL, THAT MUST'VE
  • 00:15:39.328 --> 00:15:41.363
  • I CAN'T-- I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE
  • 00:15:43.532 --> 00:15:44.366
  • I CAN'T-- I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE11 MONTHS, LORD."
  • 00:15:44.366 --> 00:15:48.570
  • 11 MONTHS, LORD."AND SO I CAME BACK
  • 00:15:48.570 --> 00:15:49.338
  • AND SO I CAME BACKTHE NEXT NIGHT.
  • 00:15:49.338 --> 00:15:51.040
  • I WAS GONNA ARGUE WITH GOD ABOUT
  • 00:15:52.674 --> 00:15:53.242
  • I WAS GONNA ARGUE WITH GOD ABOUTIT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:15:53.242 --> 00:15:54.376
  • IT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?GOD WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND,
  • 00:15:54.376 --> 00:15:55.577
  • GOD WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND,JUST LIKE HE JUST DISAPPEARED.
  • 00:15:55.577 --> 00:15:57.980
  • JUST LIKE HE JUST DISAPPEARED.SO I CAME HOME AND TOLD MY WIFE
  • 00:15:57.980 --> 00:16:01.784
  • SO I CAME HOME AND TOLD MY WIFEABOUT IT, AND SO I SAID, "THE
  • 00:16:01.784 --> 00:16:03.419
  • ABOUT IT, AND SO I SAID, "THELAST PLACE I WANNA GO IS TO
  • 00:16:03.419 --> 00:16:04.353
  • LAST PLACE I WANNA GO IS TOATLANTA, GEORGIA."
  • 00:16:04.353 --> 00:16:06.355
  • ATLANTA, GEORGIA."I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:16:06.355 --> 00:16:07.990
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.
  • 00:16:07.990 --> 00:16:09.958
  • I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.WELL, SEPTEMBER THE 25TH OF THAT
  • 00:16:09.958 --> 00:16:11.026
  • WELL, SEPTEMBER THE 25TH OF THATYEAR, I MOVED TO ATLANTA.
  • 00:16:11.026 --> 00:16:12.227
  • YEAR, I MOVED TO ATLANTA.- MATT: OH, MY LORD.
  • 00:16:12.227 --> 00:16:15.064
  • - MATT: OH, MY LORD.- CHARLES: SO I THINK GOD HAD
  • 00:16:15.064 --> 00:16:18.634
  • - CHARLES: SO I THINK GOD HADTO DO THAT SO-- HE KNEW WHAT WAS
  • 00:16:18.634 --> 00:16:21.070
  • TO DO THAT SO-- HE KNEW WHAT WASCOMING, AND I NEEDED TO HAVE
  • 00:16:21.070 --> 00:16:23.439
  • COMING, AND I NEEDED TO HAVEABSOLUTE, UNQUESTIONABLE
  • 00:16:23.439 --> 00:16:25.774
  • ABSOLUTE, UNQUESTIONABLECONVICTION I WAS WHERE GOD SENT
  • 00:16:25.774 --> 00:16:28.544
  • CONVICTION I WAS WHERE GOD SENTME UNTIL HE MOVED ME, AND SO
  • 00:16:28.544 --> 00:16:29.278
  • ME UNTIL HE MOVED ME, AND SOI'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 50
  • 00:16:29.278 --> 00:16:30.979
  • I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 50YEARS.
  • 00:16:30.979 --> 00:16:31.613
  • YEARS.- MATT: SO THAT WAS A BIG
  • 00:16:31.613 --> 00:16:32.848
  • - MATT: SO THAT WAS A BIGMARKER IN THE ROAD.
  • 00:16:32.848 --> 00:16:34.516
  • MARKER IN THE ROAD.YOU KNEW YOU WERE PLANTED HERE,
  • 00:16:34.516 --> 00:16:36.385
  • YOU KNEW YOU WERE PLANTED HERE,COULDN'T ARGUE WITH IT.
  • 00:16:36.385 --> 00:16:38.654
  • COULDN'T ARGUE WITH IT.- CHARLES: AND THE PASTOR AND I
  • 00:16:38.654 --> 00:16:41.457
  • - CHARLES: AND THE PASTOR AND IWERE THOUSAND MILES APART.
  • 00:16:41.457 --> 00:16:44.259
  • WERE THOUSAND MILES APART.I COULDN'T EVEN PICTURE ME BEING
  • 00:16:44.259 --> 00:16:46.428
  • I COULDN'T EVEN PICTURE ME BEINGAN ASSOCIATE PASTOR WITH HIM.
  • 00:16:46.428 --> 00:16:47.563
  • AN ASSOCIATE PASTOR WITH HIM.[LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:16:47.563 --> 00:16:48.230
  • [LAURIE LAUGHING]- CHARLES: HE PREACHED ON
  • 00:16:48.230 --> 00:16:49.598
  • - CHARLES: HE PREACHED ONSUNDAY MORNIN', AND I PREACHED
  • 00:16:49.598 --> 00:16:50.499
  • SUNDAY MORNIN', AND I PREACHEDON SUNDAY NIGHT, AND THEN I
  • 00:16:50.499 --> 00:16:52.134
  • ON SUNDAY NIGHT, AND THEN ILISTENED TO HIM AND THINK,
  • 00:16:52.134 --> 00:16:53.102
  • LISTENED TO HIM AND THINK,"WELL, DO I AGREE WITH THAT OR
  • 00:16:53.102 --> 00:16:53.702
  • "WELL, DO I AGREE WITH THAT ORNOT?"
  • 00:16:53.702 --> 00:16:55.404
  • NOT?"BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VERY
  • 00:16:55.404 --> 00:16:57.606
  • BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VERYCONSERVATIVE.
  • 00:16:57.606 --> 00:16:59.408
  • CONSERVATIVE.AND, FINALLY, HE JUST UP AND
  • 00:16:59.408 --> 00:17:02.244
  • AND, FINALLY, HE JUST UP ANDLEFT, AND THEN THEY WENT THROUGH
  • 00:17:02.244 --> 00:17:03.812
  • LEFT, AND THEN THEY WENT THROUGHTRYIN' TO FIND THE PASTOR, AND
  • 00:17:03.812 --> 00:17:08.650
  • TRYIN' TO FIND THE PASTOR, ANDTHEN WE HAD A BIG FIGHT IN THE
  • 00:17:08.650 --> 00:17:09.351
  • THEN WE HAD A BIG FIGHT IN THECHURCH AND ULTIMATELY,
  • 00:17:09.351 --> 00:17:10.385
  • CHURCH AND ULTIMATELY,ABOUT HALF OF 'EM LEFT,
  • 00:17:10.385 --> 00:17:12.921
  • ABOUT HALF OF 'EM LEFT,AND THEN, SOON AS THEY LEFT,
  • 00:17:12.921 --> 00:17:13.722
  • AND THEN, SOON AS THEY LEFT,WE TOOK OFF, GROWING.
  • 00:17:13.722 --> 00:17:14.423
  • WE TOOK OFF, GROWING.WE'VE BEEN GROWIN' EVER SINCE.
  • 00:17:14.423 --> 00:17:15.524
  • WE'VE BEEN GROWIN' EVER SINCE.- LAURIE: WOW, THAT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:17:15.524 --> 00:17:17.559
  • - LAURIE: WOW, THAT'S AMAZING.- MATT: OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE
  • 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.863
  • - MATT: OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THECONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:17:20.863 --> 00:17:23.232
  • CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.- CHARLES: RIGHT.
  • 00:17:23.232 --> 00:17:26.301
  • - CHARLES: RIGHT.- MATT: WHEN ANDY LEFT YOUR
  • 00:17:26.301 --> 00:17:30.405
  • - MATT: WHEN ANDY LEFT YOURCHURCH, HOW WAS THAT STATEMENT?
  • 00:17:30.405 --> 00:17:32.407
  • CHURCH, HOW WAS THAT STATEMENT?ARE YOU GLAD YOU HAD THAT
  • 00:17:32.407 --> 00:17:33.242
  • ARE YOU GLAD YOU HAD THATSTATEMENT IN YOUR HEART AT THAT
  • 00:17:33.242 --> 00:17:33.642
  • STATEMENT IN YOUR HEART AT THATPOINT?
  • 00:17:33.642 --> 00:17:36.445
  • POINT?- CHARLES: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:17:36.445 --> 00:17:37.179
  • - CHARLES: ABSOLUTELY.I THOUGHT, "WELL, HE'S MADE THIS
  • 00:17:37.179 --> 00:17:38.514
  • I THOUGHT, "WELL, HE'S MADE THISDECISION, AND, GOD, YOU'VE
  • 00:17:38.514 --> 00:17:39.581
  • DECISION, AND, GOD, YOU'VEALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF ME AND
  • 00:17:39.581 --> 00:17:40.115
  • ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF ME ANDSHOWN ME WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:17:40.115 --> 00:17:41.150
  • SHOWN ME WHAT TO DO.WE'RE GON' KEEP DOIN' WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:41.583
  • WE'RE GON' KEEP DOIN' WHAT WE'REDOIN'."
  • 00:17:41.583 --> 00:17:42.751
  • DOIN'."IN SIX MONTHS, WE HAD
  • 00:17:42.751 --> 00:17:43.886
  • IN SIX MONTHS, WE HAD'EM ALL-- WE HAD THAT MANY
  • 00:17:43.886 --> 00:17:45.621
  • 'EM ALL-- WE HAD THAT MANYPEOPLE BACK, AND WE'VE NEVER
  • 00:17:45.621 --> 00:17:47.156
  • PEOPLE BACK, AND WE'VE NEVERSLOWED DOWN, AND HE STARTED HIS
  • 00:17:47.156 --> 00:17:48.457
  • SLOWED DOWN, AND HE STARTED HISMINISTRY, AND HE'S GOT A BIG
  • 00:17:48.457 --> 00:17:49.825
  • MINISTRY, AND HE'S GOT A BIGTHING GOING, AND SO HE LEARNED
  • 00:17:49.825 --> 00:17:52.928
  • THING GOING, AND SO HE LEARNEDFROM ME TO OBEY GOD AND LEAVE
  • 00:17:52.928 --> 00:17:54.563
  • FROM ME TO OBEY GOD AND LEAVEALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM, SO,
  • 00:17:54.563 --> 00:17:57.099
  • ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM, SO,MAN, WE HAVE ALL THIS GOIN' ON,
  • 00:17:57.099 --> 00:18:00.602
  • MAN, WE HAVE ALL THIS GOIN' ON,AND I'VE JUST SEEN GOD WORK IN
  • 00:18:00.602 --> 00:18:03.505
  • AND I'VE JUST SEEN GOD WORK INEVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.
  • 00:18:03.505 --> 00:18:05.207
  • EVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.
  • 00:18:05.207 --> 00:18:06.642
  • IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.HOW CAN YOU LOSE TO GOD WHO
  • 00:18:06.642 --> 00:18:08.977
  • HOW CAN YOU LOSE TO GOD WHOCREATED IT ALL?
  • 00:18:08.977 --> 00:18:10.012
  • CREATED IT ALL?- LAURIE: YEAH, THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:18:10.012 --> 00:18:10.746
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, THAT'S WHATI'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT.
  • 00:18:10.746 --> 00:18:12.948
  • I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT.I THOUGHT, "MAN, IF YOU'RE DOIN'
  • 00:18:12.948 --> 00:18:14.716
  • I THOUGHT, "MAN, IF YOU'RE DOIN'SOMETHIN' IN FAITH AND WITH THE
  • 00:18:14.716 --> 00:18:15.450
  • SOMETHIN' IN FAITH AND WITH THERIGHT HEART AND REALLY BELIEVE,
  • 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:17.653
  • RIGHT HEART AND REALLY BELIEVE,HOW CAN YOU FALL?
  • 00:18:17.653 --> 00:18:18.654
  • HOW CAN YOU FALL?EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT MIGHT
  • 00:18:18.654 --> 00:18:20.289
  • EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT MIGHTLOOK TO OTHERS LIKE YOU HAVE
  • 00:18:20.289 --> 00:18:22.658
  • LOOK TO OTHERS LIKE YOU HAVEFALLEN, YOU DON'T BECAUSE THE
  • 00:18:22.658 --> 00:18:24.960
  • FALLEN, YOU DON'T BECAUSE THEFAITHFULNESS OF GOD TAKES
  • 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.395
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD TAKESEVERYTHING AND MAKES EVERYTHING
  • 00:18:26.395 --> 00:18:27.563
  • EVERYTHING AND MAKES EVERYTHINGGOOD FOR YOUR-- YOU KNOW?
  • 00:18:27.563 --> 00:18:28.230
  • GOOD FOR YOUR-- YOU KNOW?- MATT: WHAT IT FEELS LIKE,
  • 00:18:28.230 --> 00:18:32.067
  • - MATT: WHAT IT FEELS LIKE,DR. STANLEY, IS THAT SOMETIMES I
  • 00:18:32.067 --> 00:18:35.671
  • DR. STANLEY, IS THAT SOMETIMES ITHINK THAT AUDIENCES THAT VIEW
  • 00:18:35.671 --> 00:18:37.639
  • THINK THAT AUDIENCES THAT VIEWPEOPLE ON TELEVISION THINK,
  • 00:18:37.639 --> 00:18:38.874
  • PEOPLE ON TELEVISION THINK,"THEY DON'T EVER HAVE NO
  • 00:18:38.874 --> 00:18:40.309
  • "THEY DON'T EVER HAVE NOPROBLEMS, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:18:40.309 --> 00:18:41.610
  • PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW.THERE'S JUST NOTHIN' GOING ON.
  • 00:18:41.610 --> 00:18:43.111
  • THERE'S JUST NOTHIN' GOING ON.THEY NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUES TO
  • 00:18:43.111 --> 00:18:44.846
  • THEY NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUES TODEAL WITH, AND THEY DON'T REALLY
  • 00:18:44.846 --> 00:18:46.648
  • DEAL WITH, AND THEY DON'T REALLYKNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE, YOU
  • 00:18:46.648 --> 00:18:48.483
  • KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE, YOUKNOW, WHO I AM IN THE VIEWING
  • 00:18:48.483 --> 00:18:49.351
  • KNOW, WHO I AM IN THE VIEWINGAUDIENCE."
  • 00:18:49.351 --> 00:18:51.887
  • AUDIENCE."AND THEY THINK THAT, BUT,
  • 00:18:51.887 --> 00:18:53.789
  • AND THEY THINK THAT, BUT,YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DEALT WITH
  • 00:18:53.789 --> 00:18:56.058
  • YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DEALT WITHSOME OF THE MOST PAINFUL THINGS
  • 00:18:56.058 --> 00:18:57.659
  • SOME OF THE MOST PAINFUL THINGSTHAT CAN BE DEALT WITH, AND AT
  • 00:18:57.659 --> 00:18:59.861
  • THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH, AND AT85, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME,
  • 00:18:59.861 --> 00:19:00.996
  • 85, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME,YOU'RE SITTIN' THERE SMILIN',
  • 00:19:00.996 --> 00:19:05.467
  • YOU'RE SITTIN' THERE SMILIN',AND YOU'RE CONTENT.
  • 00:19:05.467 --> 00:19:06.301
  • AND YOU'RE CONTENT.- CHARLES: I AM.
  • 00:19:06.301 --> 00:19:07.903
  • - CHARLES: I AM.- MATT: YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE
  • 00:19:07.903 --> 00:19:08.570
  • - MATT: YOU, YOU KNOW, AREENJOYING LIFE.
  • 00:19:08.570 --> 00:19:11.240
  • ENJOYING LIFE.ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.610
  • ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT YOURGRANDFATHER: YOU MENTIONED
  • 00:19:14.610 --> 00:19:16.178
  • GRANDFATHER: YOU MENTIONEDBRIEFLY THAT HE WAS A
  • 00:19:16.178 --> 00:19:17.312
  • BRIEFLY THAT HE WAS APENTECOSTAL PREACHER, SO YOU
  • 00:19:17.312 --> 00:19:19.915
  • PENTECOSTAL PREACHER, SO YOUHAVE, AT LEAST, SOME ROOTS FROM
  • 00:19:19.915 --> 00:19:21.883
  • HAVE, AT LEAST, SOME ROOTS FROMTHE PENTECOSTAL SIDE OF YOUR
  • 00:19:21.883 --> 00:19:22.417
  • THE PENTECOSTAL SIDE OF YOURWORLD.
  • 00:19:22.417 --> 00:19:23.585
  • WORLD.- CHARLES: DEEP ROOTS.
  • 00:19:23.585 --> 00:19:25.120
  • - CHARLES: DEEP ROOTS.- MATT: DEEP ROOTS, AND THEN,
  • 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:27.489
  • - MATT: DEEP ROOTS, AND THEN,WHEN I HEAR A STORY LIKE, YOU
  • 00:19:27.489 --> 00:19:30.359
  • WHEN I HEAR A STORY LIKE, YOUKNOW, THE WORD "SEPTEMBER" GETS
  • 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:31.994
  • KNOW, THE WORD "SEPTEMBER" GETSWRITTEN ACROSS YOUR VISION
  • 00:19:31.994 --> 00:19:34.529
  • WRITTEN ACROSS YOUR VISIONAND ALL OF THAT,
  • 00:19:34.529 --> 00:19:35.230
  • AND ALL OF THAT,THAT SOUNDS A BIT PENTECOSTAL.
  • 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:37.566
  • THAT SOUNDS A BIT PENTECOSTAL.ARE YOU BAPTICOSTAL?
  • 00:19:37.566 --> 00:19:40.502
  • ARE YOU BAPTICOSTAL?HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF?
  • 00:19:40.502 --> 00:19:41.770
  • HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF?- CHARLES: WELL, YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:19:41.770 --> 00:19:42.871
  • - CHARLES: WELL, YOU KNOW, IBECAME PRESIDENT OF THE
  • 00:19:42.871 --> 00:19:44.006
  • BECAME PRESIDENT OF THESOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, THE
  • 00:19:44.006 --> 00:19:47.409
  • SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, THEBIGGEST CONVENTION THEY EVER
  • 00:19:47.409 --> 00:19:49.111
  • BIGGEST CONVENTION THEY EVERHAD, AND ONE OF THE CRITICISMS
  • 00:19:49.111 --> 00:19:50.078
  • HAD, AND ONE OF THE CRITICISMSWAS I WAS PENTECOSTAL.
  • 00:19:50.078 --> 00:19:51.780
  • WAS I WAS PENTECOSTAL.I SAID, "WELL, IF OBEYING GOD
  • 00:19:51.780 --> 00:19:52.547
  • I SAID, "WELL, IF OBEYING GODMEANS I'M PENTECOSTAL, COUNT ME
  • 00:19:52.547 --> 00:19:53.749
  • MEANS I'M PENTECOSTAL, COUNT MEIN."
  • 00:19:53.749 --> 00:19:54.483
  • IN."- LAURIE: AW.
  • 00:19:54.483 --> 00:19:55.484
  • - LAURIE: AW.- MATT: NICE.
  • 00:19:55.484 --> 00:19:57.452
  • - MATT: I LIKE YOU.
  • 00:19:58.654 --> 00:19:59.354
  • - MATT: I LIKE YOU.- LAURIE: I LOVE YOUR STUDIO.
  • 00:19:59.354 --> 00:20:00.055
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE YOUR STUDIO.LOOK HOW PRETTY THEIR STUDIO--
  • 00:20:00.055 --> 00:20:00.656
  • LOOK HOW PRETTY THEIR STUDIO--YOUR CAMPUS HERE IS JUST
  • 00:20:00.656 --> 00:20:03.392
  • TELL US HOW YOU FIRST, KIND OF,
  • 00:20:06.495 --> 00:20:07.162
  • TELL US HOW YOU FIRST, KIND OF,FOUND THIS PROPERTY AND THAT
  • 00:20:07.162 --> 00:20:09.431
  • FOUND THIS PROPERTY AND THATSTORY.
  • 00:20:09.431 --> 00:20:10.265
  • STORY.I LOVE--
  • 00:20:10.265 --> 00:20:10.932
  • I LOVE--- MATT: WELL, I THINK WHAT
  • 00:20:10.932 --> 00:20:11.667
  • - MATT: WELL, I THINK WHATSHE'S SAYIN', "HERE'S A FUN
  • 00:20:11.667 --> 00:20:12.434
  • SHE'S SAYIN', "HERE'S A FUNQUESTION."
  • 00:20:12.434 --> 00:20:13.068
  • QUESTION."YOU GOT A PHONE CALL FROM
  • 00:20:13.068 --> 00:20:14.536
  • YOU GOT A PHONE CALL FROMA GROCERY MAN ONE TIME.
  • 00:20:14.536 --> 00:20:15.470
  • A GROCERY MAN ONE TIME.WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?
  • 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:18.140
  • WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?- CHARLES: WELL, WE WERE
  • 00:20:18.140 --> 00:20:20.409
  • - CHARLES: WELL, WE WERESCATTERED IN SEVEN DIFFERENT
  • 00:20:20.409 --> 00:20:21.743
  • SCATTERED IN SEVEN DIFFERENTLOCATIONS DOWNTOWN, AND I KNEW
  • 00:20:21.743 --> 00:20:25.714
  • LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN, AND I KNEWWE NEEDED TO HAVE ALL THE STAFF
  • 00:20:25.714 --> 00:20:26.882
  • WE NEEDED TO HAVE ALL THE STAFFTOGETHER, SO I'D BEEN PRAYING
  • 00:20:26.882 --> 00:20:27.616
  • TOGETHER, SO I'D BEEN PRAYINGABOUT IT AND DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY
  • 00:20:27.616 --> 00:20:30.519
  • ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLYWHAT TO DO, SO I TOLD THE STAFF,
  • 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.989
  • WHAT TO DO, SO I TOLD THE STAFF,THE MAJOR STAFF GUYS, I SAID,
  • 00:20:33.989 --> 00:20:34.623
  • THE MAJOR STAFF GUYS, I SAID,"I WANT US TO GO UP IN THE
  • 00:20:34.623 --> 00:20:35.324
  • "I WANT US TO GO UP IN THEMOUNTAINS,
  • 00:20:35.324 --> 00:20:35.924
  • MOUNTAINS,AND I WANT US TO HAVE A
  • 00:20:35.924 --> 00:20:36.992
  • AND I WANT US TO HAVE APRAYER MEETING, AND WE'RE NOT
  • 00:20:36.992 --> 00:20:39.261
  • PRAYER MEETING, AND WE'RE NOTGONNA DO ANYTHING BUT PRAY.
  • 00:20:39.261 --> 00:20:39.995
  • GONNA DO ANYTHING BUT PRAY.SO IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU
  • 00:20:39.995 --> 00:20:40.896
  • SO IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, YOUCAN'T GO.
  • 00:20:40.896 --> 00:20:41.863
  • CAN'T GO.YOU GOTTA BE COMFORTABLE."
  • 00:20:41.863 --> 00:20:44.433
  • YOU GOTTA BE COMFORTABLE."SO WE CAME UP,
  • 00:20:44.433 --> 00:20:47.069
  • SO WE CAME UP,AND WE PRAYED ABOUT THREE DAYS,
  • 00:20:47.069 --> 00:20:48.537
  • AND WE PRAYED ABOUT THREE DAYS,OFF AND ON, MOSTLY ON,
  • 00:20:48.537 --> 00:20:53.642
  • OFF AND ON, MOSTLY ON,AND SO WE WERE DOWN PRAYING--
  • 00:20:53.642 --> 00:20:55.277
  • AND SO WE WERE DOWN PRAYING--AND I FORGOT TO TELL
  • 00:20:55.277 --> 00:20:57.646
  • AND I FORGOT TO TELLYOU THIS-- AND ONE OF OUR
  • 00:20:57.646 --> 00:21:00.382
  • YOU THIS-- AND ONE OF OURFELLOWS WAS BRILLIANT WHEN IT
  • 00:21:00.382 --> 00:21:01.016
  • FELLOWS WAS BRILLIANT WHEN ITCAME TO ELECTRONICS AND
  • 00:21:01.016 --> 00:21:02.651
  • CAME TO ELECTRONICS ANDEVERYTHING ELSE, AND IN THE
  • 00:21:02.651 --> 00:21:03.385
  • EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IN THEMIDDLE OF HIS PRAYER, I SAID TO
  • 00:21:03.385 --> 00:21:05.287
  • MIDDLE OF HIS PRAYER, I SAID TOHIM, "GEORGE," I SAID, "IS IT
  • 00:21:05.287 --> 00:21:10.025
  • HIM, "GEORGE," I SAID, "IS ITPOSSIBLE, IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE
  • 00:21:10.025 --> 00:21:11.827
  • POSSIBLE, IS IT REALLY POSSIBLEIN OUR LIFETIME TO GET THE
  • 00:21:11.827 --> 00:21:13.628
  • IN OUR LIFETIME TO GET THEGOSPEL ALL OVER THE WORLD?"
  • 00:21:13.628 --> 00:21:14.930
  • GOSPEL ALL OVER THE WORLD?"HE DIDN'T EVEN HESITATE.
  • 00:21:14.930 --> 00:21:15.597
  • HE DIDN'T EVEN HESITATE.HE SAID, "YES, IT IS."
  • 00:21:15.597 --> 00:21:19.334
  • HE SAID, "YES, IT IS."I SAID, "LET'S KEEP PRAYIN'."
  • 00:21:19.334 --> 00:21:20.202
  • I SAID, "LET'S KEEP PRAYIN'."AND SO WE STARTED PRAYING,
  • 00:21:20.202 --> 00:21:20.936
  • AND SO WE STARTED PRAYING,"WELL, LORD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,
  • 00:21:20.936 --> 00:21:22.304
  • "WELL, LORD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,WHAT CAN WE DO?"
  • 00:21:22.304 --> 00:21:24.139
  • WHAT CAN WE DO?"BUT I DIDN'T TAKE THAT REALLY
  • 00:21:24.139 --> 00:21:26.041
  • BUT I DIDN'T TAKE THAT REALLYALL THAT SERIOUS, BUT I KNEW
  • 00:21:26.041 --> 00:21:27.976
  • ALL THAT SERIOUS, BUT I KNEWIT, SO I WAS LISTENING.
  • 00:21:27.976 --> 00:21:29.611
  • IT, SO I WAS LISTENING.SO WE CAME HOME FROM PRAYING,
  • 00:21:29.611 --> 00:21:32.381
  • SO WE CAME HOME FROM PRAYING,AND THERE WAS A PINK SLIP ON MY
  • 00:21:32.381 --> 00:21:35.117
  • AND THERE WAS A PINK SLIP ON MYDESK, AND SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME
  • 00:21:35.117 --> 00:21:36.385
  • DESK, AND SOMEBODY HAD CALLED MEAND ASKED ME IF I'D RETURN THEIR
  • 00:21:36.385 --> 00:21:38.520
  • AND ASKED ME IF I'D RETURN THEIRCALL, SO I DID, AND I FOUND THAT
  • 00:21:38.520 --> 00:21:41.056
  • CALL, SO I DID, AND I FOUND THATHE WAS A GROCERY MAN, AND HE WAS
  • 00:21:41.056 --> 00:21:43.892
  • HE WAS A GROCERY MAN, AND HE WASOUT WEST, AND HE INTRODUCED
  • 00:21:43.892 --> 00:21:46.461
  • OUT WEST, AND HE INTRODUCEDHIMSELF, AND IN THE COURSE OF
  • 00:21:46.461 --> 00:21:47.496
  • HIMSELF, AND IN THE COURSE OFOUR CONVERSATION, HE SAID, "I
  • 00:21:47.496 --> 00:21:49.498
  • OUR CONVERSATION, HE SAID, "INOTICE YOU NEVER ASK FOR-- YOU
  • 00:21:49.498 --> 00:21:51.032
  • NOTICE YOU NEVER ASK FOR-- YOUDON'T SEEM TO EVER HAVE ANY
  • 00:21:51.032 --> 00:21:51.900
  • DON'T SEEM TO EVER HAVE ANYNEEDS.
  • 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:53.935
  • NEEDS.YOU DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING."
  • 00:21:53.935 --> 00:21:55.737
  • YOU DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING."I SAID, "WELL, WE HAVE A NEED,
  • 00:21:55.737 --> 00:21:57.205
  • I SAID, "WELL, WE HAVE A NEED,BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE GOD
  • 00:21:57.205 --> 00:21:58.340
  • BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE GODWANTS ME TO ASK ANYBODY
  • 00:21:58.340 --> 00:21:58.874
  • WANTS ME TO ASK ANYBODYABOUT IT."
  • 00:21:58.874 --> 00:22:00.308
  • ABOUT IT."HE SAID, "WELL, WHAT'S THE
  • 00:22:00.308 --> 00:22:01.009
  • HE SAID, "WELL, WHAT'S THENEED?"
  • 00:22:01.009 --> 00:22:01.943
  • NEED?"I SAID, "WELL, WE NEED A
  • 00:22:01.943 --> 00:22:03.311
  • I SAID, "WELL, WE NEED ABUILDING," AND I SAID, "I THINK
  • 00:22:03.311 --> 00:22:05.046
  • BUILDING," AND I SAID, "I THINKI FOUND THE BUILDING.
  • 00:22:05.046 --> 00:22:07.582
  • I FOUND THE BUILDING.THEY WANT ABOUT $790.000, BUT I
  • 00:22:07.582 --> 00:22:08.784
  • THEY WANT ABOUT $790.000, BUT IBELIEVE I COULD BUY IT FOR
  • 00:22:08.784 --> 00:22:10.452
  • BELIEVE I COULD BUY IT FOR$700.000."
  • 00:22:10.452 --> 00:22:11.853
  • $700.000."HE SAID, "YOU THINK YOU CAN?"
  • 00:22:11.853 --> 00:22:13.288
  • HE SAID, "YOU THINK YOU CAN?"I SAID, "YES, SIR."
  • 00:22:13.288 --> 00:22:14.656
  • I SAID, "YES, SIR."I DIDN'T KNOW THIS FELLOW.
  • 00:22:14.656 --> 00:22:15.357
  • I DIDN'T KNOW THIS FELLOW.NEVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE.
  • 00:22:15.357 --> 00:22:18.827
  • NEVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE.HE SAID, "WELL, I'LL WRITE YOU A
  • 00:22:18.827 --> 00:22:20.228
  • HE SAID, "WELL, I'LL WRITE YOU ACHECK, AND YOU'LL GET IT THIS
  • 00:22:20.228 --> 00:22:21.496
  • CHECK, AND YOU'LL GET IT THISWEEK."
  • 00:22:21.496 --> 00:22:22.564
  • WEEK."- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:22:22.564 --> 00:22:23.231
  • - MATT: WOW.- CHARLES: SO I GOT IT THAT
  • 00:22:23.231 --> 00:22:24.833
  • - CHARLES: SO I GOT IT THATWEEK, AND THEY STILL WANTED 790.
  • 00:22:24.833 --> 00:22:27.135
  • WEEK, AND THEY STILL WANTED 790.I SAID, "NO, THE ONLY THING I
  • 00:22:27.135 --> 00:22:29.271
  • I SAID, "NO, THE ONLY THING ICAN PAY IS $700.000.
  • 00:22:29.271 --> 00:22:30.372
  • CAN PAY IS $700.000.THAT'S WHAT GOD TOLD ME TO DO,"
  • 00:22:30.372 --> 00:22:31.773
  • THAT'S WHAT GOD TOLD ME TO DO,"AND AFTER TWO WEEKS OF
  • 00:22:31.773 --> 00:22:32.841
  • AND AFTER TWO WEEKS OFFLOUNDERING AROUND, THEY FINALLY
  • 00:22:32.841 --> 00:22:33.608
  • FLOUNDERING AROUND, THEY FINALLYSAID, "OKAY."
  • 00:22:33.608 --> 00:22:36.812
  • SAID, "OKAY."SO THAT WAS OUR FIRST BUILDING.
  • 00:22:36.812 --> 00:22:38.246
  • SO THAT WAS OUR FIRST BUILDING.THEN WE REMODELED THAT ONE.
  • 00:22:38.246 --> 00:22:39.314
  • THEN WE REMODELED THAT ONE.WE ADDED TO IT, ADDED ANOTHER
  • 00:22:39.314 --> 00:22:41.583
  • WE ADDED TO IT, ADDED ANOTHERBUILDING, AND THERE WERE TWO
  • 00:22:41.583 --> 00:22:42.217
  • BUILDING, AND THERE WERE TWOLOTS UP THE STREET, AND WE
  • 00:22:42.217 --> 00:22:42.951
  • LOTS UP THE STREET, AND WEBOUGHT BOTH OF THOSE, LITTLE BY
  • 00:22:42.951 --> 00:22:45.220
  • BOUGHT BOTH OF THOSE, LITTLE BYLITTLE.
  • 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:45.854
  • LITTLE.I WAS JUST WALKIN' UP THE
  • 00:22:45.854 --> 00:22:47.155
  • I WAS JUST WALKIN' UP THESTREET, AND, JUST, THE LORD
  • 00:22:47.155 --> 00:22:48.056
  • STREET, AND, JUST, THE LORDSAID, "BUY IT."
  • 00:22:48.056 --> 00:22:48.457
  • SAID, "BUY IT."I THOUGHT,
  • 00:22:48.457 --> 00:22:50.892
  • I THOUGHT,"WELL-- BUY?
  • 00:22:50.892 --> 00:22:51.526
  • "WELL-- BUY?WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY TO
  • 00:22:51.526 --> 00:22:52.427
  • WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY TOJUST BUY IT."
  • 00:22:52.427 --> 00:22:52.961
  • JUST BUY IT."SO WE BOUGHT IT.
  • 00:22:52.961 --> 00:22:54.062
  • SO WE BOUGHT IT.THIS LADY CAME TO SEE ME, AND
  • 00:22:54.062 --> 00:22:56.164
  • THIS LADY CAME TO SEE ME, ANDAFTER A LITTLE CONVERSATION, SHE
  • 00:22:56.164 --> 00:22:59.167
  • AFTER A LITTLE CONVERSATION, SHEBOUGHT IT FOR US.
  • 00:22:59.167 --> 00:22:59.901
  • BOUGHT IT FOR US.I BOUGHT THE NEXT BUILDING, AND
  • 00:22:59.901 --> 00:23:01.736
  • I BOUGHT THE NEXT BUILDING, ANDTHEN THIS WHOLE PROPERTY HERE
  • 00:23:01.736 --> 00:23:04.206
  • THEN THIS WHOLE PROPERTY HEREWAS ABOUT ELEVEN AND A HALF
  • 00:23:04.206 --> 00:23:05.440
  • WAS ABOUT ELEVEN AND A HALFACRES, AND THERE WAS NOTHING ON
  • 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.375
  • ACRES, AND THERE WAS NOTHING ONIT, AND I WAS WALKIN' UP THE
  • 00:23:07.375 --> 00:23:08.310
  • IT, AND I WAS WALKIN' UP THESTREET, JUST TAKIN' A BREAK, AND
  • 00:23:08.310 --> 00:23:09.578
  • STREET, JUST TAKIN' A BREAK, ANDI THOUGHT, "ELEVEN ACRES?
  • 00:23:09.578 --> 00:23:11.546
  • I THOUGHT, "ELEVEN ACRES?WE DON'T NEED--" I'D JUST THEN
  • 00:23:11.546 --> 00:23:15.083
  • WE DON'T NEED--" I'D JUST THENHEM ALONG, AROUND WITH GOD ABOUT
  • 00:23:15.083 --> 00:23:16.184
  • HEM ALONG, AROUND WITH GOD ABOUTIT TILL GOD SAID, "BUY THE
  • 00:23:16.184 --> 00:23:16.818
  • IT TILL GOD SAID, "BUY THEPROPERTY AND TRUST ME."
  • 00:23:16.818 --> 00:23:19.387
  • PROPERTY AND TRUST ME."SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY,
  • 00:23:19.387 --> 00:23:20.856
  • SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY,BUT WE BOUGHT IT AND JUST
  • 00:23:20.856 --> 00:23:22.390
  • BUT WE BOUGHT IT AND JUSTTRUSTED GOD TO SUPPLY IT,
  • 00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:24.626
  • TRUSTED GOD TO SUPPLY IT,SO HERE'S THE TRUTH:
  • 00:23:24.626 --> 00:23:28.063
  • SO HERE'S THE TRUTH:I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT
  • 00:23:28.063 --> 00:23:29.698
  • I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDITFOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS
  • 00:23:29.698 --> 00:23:31.900
  • FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYSBEEN GOD SAYING, "DO THIS," AND
  • 00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:33.502
  • BEEN GOD SAYING, "DO THIS," ANDI SAID, "OKAY."
  • 00:23:33.502 --> 00:23:35.971
  • I SAID, "OKAY."WELL, LOTS OF DOUBT SOMETIME,
  • 00:23:35.971 --> 00:23:37.939
  • WELL, LOTS OF DOUBT SOMETIME,BUT, "OKAY," AND
  • 00:23:37.939 --> 00:23:40.509
  • BUT, "OKAY," ANDHE'S PROVIDED EVERY SINGLE THING
  • 00:23:40.509 --> 00:23:41.676
  • HE'S PROVIDED EVERY SINGLE THINGWE'VE NEEDED AND STILL DOES IT
  • 00:23:41.676 --> 00:23:42.277
  • WE'VE NEEDED AND STILL DOES ITEVERY DAY.
  • 00:23:42.277 --> 00:23:43.845
  • EVERY DAY.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:23:43.845 --> 00:23:46.548
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.YOUR LIFE IS SOMEWHAT A
  • 00:23:46.548 --> 00:23:48.350
  • YOUR LIFE IS SOMEWHAT ATESTIMONY AT 85 YEARS OLD NOW.
  • 00:23:48.350 --> 00:23:52.420
  • TESTIMONY AT 85 YEARS OLD NOW.YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:23:52.420 --> 00:23:53.522
  • YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE AREWATCHING YOUR TELEVISION
  • 00:23:53.522 --> 00:23:55.390
  • WATCHING YOUR TELEVISIONBROADCASTS THAN AT ANY TIME HERE
  • 00:23:55.390 --> 00:23:56.691
  • BROADCASTS THAN AT ANY TIME HEREON TBN.
  • 00:23:56.691 --> 00:24:01.029
  • ON TBN.IT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL, AND SO,
  • 00:24:01.029 --> 00:24:03.798
  • IT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL, AND SO,YOU KNOW, I'M JUST-- I'M
  • 00:24:03.798 --> 00:24:05.033
  • YOU KNOW, I'M JUST-- I'MTHRILLED.
  • 00:24:05.033 --> 00:24:08.403
  • THRILLED.I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF MY
  • 00:24:08.403 --> 00:24:10.672
  • I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF MYDAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, WHEN
  • 00:24:10.672 --> 00:24:14.309
  • DAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, WHENI'M SITTING HERE, AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:14.309 --> 00:24:15.210
  • I'M SITTING HERE, AND, YOU KNOW,YOU GOT THE SAME HAIR COLOR AND
  • 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:19.047
  • YOU GOT THE SAME HAIR COLOR ANDALL OF THAT, AND SO TBN WOULDN'T
  • 00:24:19.047 --> 00:24:24.920
  • ALL OF THAT, AND SO TBN WOULDN'TBE WHAT IT IS WITHOUT SATELLITE,
  • 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.354
  • BE WHAT IT IS WITHOUT SATELLITE,AND THE LORD HAD TO SHOW MY DAD
  • 00:24:26.354 --> 00:24:28.523
  • AND THE LORD HAD TO SHOW MY DADBASICALLY ALMOST LIKE WHAT YOU
  • 00:24:28.523 --> 00:24:30.959
  • BASICALLY ALMOST LIKE WHAT YOUDESCRIBED, A MOVIE PICTURE ON
  • 00:24:30.959 --> 00:24:32.193
  • DESCRIBED, A MOVIE PICTURE ONTHE CEILING OF THE DEN OF OUR
  • 00:24:32.193 --> 00:24:34.329
  • THE CEILING OF THE DEN OF OURHOME, AND MY DAD SAW WHAT HE
  • 00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:36.164
  • HOME, AND MY DAD SAW WHAT HEDESCRIBED LATER AS KIND OF A
  • 00:24:36.164 --> 00:24:40.335
  • DESCRIBED LATER AS KIND OF AAT&T COMMERCIAL AND WAS LOOKING
  • 00:24:40.335 --> 00:24:42.304
  • AT&T COMMERCIAL AND WAS LOOKINGABOVE, HIGH ABOVE THE NORTH
  • 00:24:42.304 --> 00:24:43.638
  • ABOVE, HIGH ABOVE THE NORTHAMERICAN CONTINENTS, ALL THESE
  • 00:24:43.638 --> 00:24:45.340
  • AMERICAN CONTINENTS, ALL THESELIGHTS, LITTLE LIGHTS TWINKLING
  • 00:24:45.340 --> 00:24:46.074
  • LIGHTS, LITTLE LIGHTS TWINKLINGON, AND HE SAID, "LORD, WHAT IS
  • 00:24:46.074 --> 00:24:48.009
  • ON, AND HE SAID, "LORD, WHAT ISIT?"
  • 00:24:48.009 --> 00:24:49.110
  • IT?"THE LORD JUST SAID ONE WORD:
  • 00:24:49.110 --> 00:24:50.412
  • THE LORD JUST SAID ONE WORD:"SATELLITE."
  • 00:24:50.412 --> 00:24:50.946
  • "SATELLITE."AND HE SAID, "WHEN?"
  • 00:24:50.946 --> 00:24:51.980
  • AND HE SAID, "WHEN?""SOON."
  • 00:24:51.980 --> 00:24:54.182
  • "SOON."AND 30 DAYS LATER, RCA
  • 00:24:54.182 --> 00:24:56.184
  • AND 30 DAYS LATER, RCASATCOM CALLED CHANNEL 40-- AT
  • 00:24:56.184 --> 00:24:59.654
  • SATCOM CALLED CHANNEL 40-- ATTHE TIME, IT WAS ONE STATION OF
  • 00:24:59.654 --> 00:25:01.756
  • THE TIME, IT WAS ONE STATION OFTBN, BACK THERE IN CALIFORNIA--
  • 00:25:01.756 --> 00:25:03.158
  • TBN, BACK THERE IN CALIFORNIA--AND SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE
  • 00:25:03.158 --> 00:25:04.259
  • AND SAID, "WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEON SATELLITE?"
  • 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:07.996
  • ON SATELLITE?"WELL, THE FEE WAS $30.000 A
  • 00:25:07.996 --> 00:25:10.365
  • WELL, THE FEE WAS $30.000 AMONTH.
  • 00:25:10.365 --> 00:25:11.066
  • MONTH.WELL, THE WHOLE BUDGET OF TBN
  • 00:25:11.066 --> 00:25:13.401
  • WELL, THE WHOLE BUDGET OF TBNWAS $30.000 A MONTH--
  • 00:25:13.401 --> 00:25:14.269
  • WAS $30.000 A MONTH--[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:25:14.269 --> 00:25:16.137
  • [LAUGHTER]-- SO, YOU SEE, MY DAD HAD TO
  • 00:25:16.137 --> 00:25:17.439
  • -- SO, YOU SEE, MY DAD HAD TOSEE THE MOVIE PICTURE FOR HIM TO
  • 00:25:17.439 --> 00:25:19.808
  • SEE THE MOVIE PICTURE FOR HIM TOVIOLATE HIS BUSINESS PRINCIPLES
  • 00:25:19.808 --> 00:25:21.276
  • VIOLATE HIS BUSINESS PRINCIPLESTO THE FACT THAT HE WOULD'VE
  • 00:25:21.276 --> 00:25:22.010
  • TO THE FACT THAT HE WOULD'VENEVER DONE IT.
  • 00:25:22.010 --> 00:25:22.677
  • NEVER DONE IT.HE WOULD'VE SAID, "WELL, I CAN'T
  • 00:25:22.677 --> 00:25:23.345
  • HE WOULD'VE SAID, "WELL, I CAN'TWHAT YOU'RE SAYING--
  • 00:25:23.345 --> 00:25:24.746
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING--OR I HAVE TESTIMONY OF MY
  • 00:25:24.746 --> 00:25:25.847
  • OR I HAVE TESTIMONY OF MYOWN DAD'S LIFE, AND WHAT
  • 00:25:25.847 --> 00:25:28.083
  • OWN DAD'S LIFE, AND WHATYOU'RE SAYING IS THE PIVOTAL
  • 00:25:28.083 --> 00:25:29.317
  • YOU'RE SAYING IS THE PIVOTALTHING THAT BROUGHT YOU TO
  • 00:25:29.317 --> 00:25:30.652
  • THING THAT BROUGHT YOU TOATLANTA, GEORGIA, GOD HAD TO
  • 00:25:30.652 --> 00:25:32.520
  • ATLANTA, GEORGIA, GOD HAD TOWRITE IT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, KIND
  • 00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:34.923
  • WRITE IT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, KINDOF A MOVIE SCREEN FOR YA.
  • 00:25:34.923 --> 00:25:36.091
  • OF A MOVIE SCREEN FOR YA.- CHARLES: SOME OF US ARE HARD
  • 00:25:36.091 --> 00:25:38.360
  • - CHARLES: SOME OF US ARE HARDTO--
  • 00:25:38.360 --> 00:25:38.760
  • TO--[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:25:38.760 --> 00:25:39.394
  • [LAUGHTER]- LAURIE: BUT OBEDIENCE.
  • 00:25:39.394 --> 00:25:40.028
  • - LAURIE: BUT OBEDIENCE.- MATT: OBEDIENCE WAS THE
  • 00:25:40.028 --> 00:25:40.428
  • - MATT: OBEDIENCE WAS THEFACTOR HERE.
  • 00:25:40.428 --> 00:25:41.062
  • FACTOR HERE.- LAURIE: YOU HAVE STAYED
  • 00:25:41.062 --> 00:25:41.796
  • - LAURIE: YOU HAVE STAYEDFAITHFUL IN YOUR OBEDIENCE ALSO.
  • 00:25:41.796 --> 00:25:42.497
  • FAITHFUL IN YOUR OBEDIENCE ALSO.- MATT: OKAY, OUR AUDIENCE IS
  • 00:25:42.497 --> 00:25:44.165
  • - MATT: OKAY, OUR AUDIENCE ISWATCHING.
  • 00:25:44.165 --> 00:25:47.636
  • WATCHING.YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR FOR A
  • 00:25:47.636 --> 00:25:49.971
  • YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR FOR ALONG, LONG TIME, 30-- MORE THAN
  • 00:25:49.971 --> 00:25:51.539
  • LONG, LONG TIME, 30-- MORE THAN30 YEARS.
  • 00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:53.475
  • 30 YEARS.WE THINK YOU'RE THE
  • 00:25:53.475 --> 00:25:54.776
  • WE THINK YOU'RE THELONGEST-RUNNING CONTINUOUS
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  • LONGEST-RUNNING CONTINUOUSBROADCAST, AND WE'RE TALKING
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  • BROADCAST, AND WE'RE TALKINGTODAY WITH DR. CHARLES STANLEY.
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  • TODAY WITH DR. CHARLES STANLEY.IN TOUCH MINISTRIES HAVE BEEN,
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  • IN TOUCH MINISTRIES HAVE BEEN,YOU KNOW, A NATIONAL MINISTRY,
  • 00:26:03.284 --> 00:26:04.419
  • YOU KNOW, A NATIONAL MINISTRY,INTERNATIONAL MINISTRY FOR
  • 00:26:04.419 --> 00:26:05.020
  • INTERNATIONAL MINISTRY FORYEARS.
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  • YEARS.OKAY, LET ME JUST SAY WE ARE AT
  • 00:26:07.622 --> 00:26:11.126
  • WHAT A BEAUTIFUL
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  • WHAT A BEAUTIFULSETTING HERE.
  • 00:26:13.595 --> 00:26:14.129
  • SETTING HERE.WE'RE THRILLED
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  • WE'RE THRILLEDTO BE HERE,
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  • THIS OUR FIRST TIME TO INTERVIEW
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  • THIS OUR FIRST TIME TO INTERVIEWYOU AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, AND
  • 00:26:21.503 --> 00:26:23.538
  • YOU AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, ANDTHIS IS FANTASTIC.
  • 00:26:23.538 --> 00:26:24.773
  • THIS IS FANTASTIC.- LAURIE: OKAY, SO YOU SAID A
  • 00:26:24.773 --> 00:26:26.107
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, SO YOU SAID AWHILE AGO, TALKIN' ABOUT BEIN'
  • 00:26:26.107 --> 00:26:27.342
  • WHILE AGO, TALKIN' ABOUT BEIN'UP ON THE PRAYER MOUNTAIN,
  • 00:26:27.342 --> 00:26:28.143
  • UP ON THE PRAYER MOUNTAIN,PRAYIN'.
  • 00:26:28.143 --> 00:26:31.646
  • PRAYIN'.YOU SAID THAT YOU ASKED THE GUY,
  • 00:26:31.646 --> 00:26:32.781
  • YOU SAID THAT YOU ASKED THE GUY,"DO YOU SEE A DAY--" WAS THAT
  • 00:26:32.781 --> 00:26:33.848
  • "DO YOU SEE A DAY--" WAS THATYOU, ASKING,
  • 00:26:33.848 --> 00:26:34.983
  • YOU, ASKING,"DO YOU SEE A DAY WHEN THE
  • 00:26:34.983 --> 00:26:37.018
  • "DO YOU SEE A DAY WHEN THEWORLD GETS TOUCHED BY--"
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  • WORLD GETS TOUCHED BY--"- CHARLES: HIS NAME WAS
  • 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.054
  • - CHARLES: HIS NAME WASGEORGE CACADALLAS.
  • 00:26:39.054 --> 00:26:39.688
  • GEORGE CACADALLAS.I REMEMBER.
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  • I REMEMBER.- LAURIE: OKAY, SO WHEN DID YOU
  • 00:26:40.455 --> 00:26:42.323
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, SO WHEN DID YOUFINALLY GO, "OH, MY GOODNESS,
  • 00:26:42.323 --> 00:26:45.260
  • FINALLY GO, "OH, MY GOODNESS,WE'RE GOING AROUND THE WORLD NOW
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  • WE'RE GOING AROUND THE WORLD NOWWITH THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST"?
  • 00:26:46.728 --> 00:26:49.130
  • WITH THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST"?I MEAN, THAT WAS KIND OF FOREIGN
  • 00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:50.432
  • I MEAN, THAT WAS KIND OF FOREIGNTO YOU GUYS BACK IN THAT DAY.
  • 00:26:50.432 --> 00:26:52.901
  • TO YOU GUYS BACK IN THAT DAY.TELL US, KIND OF, JUST ABOUT
  • 00:26:52.901 --> 00:26:54.102
  • TELL US, KIND OF, JUST ABOUTTHAT, KIND OF, BEIN' AN "AHA"
  • 00:26:54.102 --> 00:26:55.804
  • - CHARLES: WELL, THE ROOT OF
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  • - CHARLES: WELL, THE ROOT OFTHAT WAS, WHEN I WAS DOWNTOWN, I
  • 00:27:00.075 --> 00:27:03.078
  • THAT WAS, WHEN I WAS DOWNTOWN, IWOULD PREACH, AND AFTER
  • 00:27:03.078 --> 00:27:06.347
  • WOULD PREACH, AND AFTEREVERYBODY HAD GONE, ONCE IN A
  • 00:27:06.347 --> 00:27:08.249
  • EVERYBODY HAD GONE, ONCE IN AWHILE, I'D WALK AROUND IN THE
  • 00:27:08.249 --> 00:27:09.551
  • WHILE, I'D WALK AROUND IN THESANCTUARY, AND I THINK, "GOD,
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  • SANCTUARY, AND I THINK, "GOD,I'VE STUDIED AND PRAYED ALL WEEK
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  • AND EVERYTHING I'VE SAID JUST
  • 00:27:12.353 --> 00:27:13.388
  • AND EVERYTHING I'VE SAID JUSTDIED IN FOUR WALLS.
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  • DIED IN FOUR WALLS.- MATT: OH, WOW.
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  • - MATT: OH, WOW.- CHARLES: AND THAT'S WHAT GOT
  • 00:27:16.291 --> 00:27:17.792
  • - CHARLES: AND THAT'S WHAT GOTME THINKING, "WE CAN'T KEEP THIS
  • 00:27:17.792 --> 00:27:21.129
  • ME THINKING, "WE CAN'T KEEP THISIN FOUR WALLS."
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  • IN FOUR WALLS."- LAURIE: WELL, GOIN' ON
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  • - LAURIE: WELL, GOIN' ONTELEVISION, IT'S PRICEY, ISN'T
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  • TELEVISION, IT'S PRICEY, ISN'TIT?
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  • IT?SO HOW-- WAS THAT EVER A
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  • SO HOW-- WAS THAT EVER ASTRUGGLE FOR YOU?
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  • STRUGGLE FOR YOU?- CHARLES: NO, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:27:32.474 --> 00:27:33.708
  • - CHARLES: NO, YOU KNOW, THEINTERESTING IS, WHEN I FIRST
  • 00:27:33.708 --> 00:27:35.710
  • INTERESTING IS, WHEN I FIRSTCAME, WE WERE ON A BLACK AND
  • 00:27:35.710 --> 00:27:36.778
  • CAME, WE WERE ON A BLACK ANDWHITE STATION WITH TWO CAMERAS
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  • WHITE STATION WITH TWO CAMERASUP IN THE BALCONY-KIND-OF-THING,
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  • UP IN THE BALCONY-KIND-OF-THING,AND THEN WE GOT ON CHANNEL 11
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  • AND THEN WE GOT ON CHANNEL 11HERE, AND THEY GAVE US--
  • 00:27:47.021 --> 00:27:49.557
  • HERE, AND THEY GAVE US--WE PAID FOR IT.
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  • WE PAID FOR IT.THEY GAVE US 30 MINUTES LIVE ON
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  • THEY GAVE US 30 MINUTES LIVE ONSUNDAY MORNIN' AT 8 TO 8:30,
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  • SUNDAY MORNIN' AT 8 TO 8:30,WHICH WAS FANTASTIC,
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  • WHICH WAS FANTASTIC,SO I HAD A CHAIR AND THE BIBLE
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  • SO I HAD A CHAIR AND THE BIBLEAND TWO LITTLE ORANGE CAMERAS
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  • AND TWO LITTLE ORANGE CAMERASABOUT THIS BIG,
  • 00:28:04.405 --> 00:28:05.039
  • ABOUT THIS BIG,AND THAT'S THE WAY WE GOT
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  • AND THAT'S THE WAY WE GOTSTARTED.
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  • STARTED.- CHARLES: I WANNA TALK TO YOU
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  • - CHARLES: I WANNA TALK TO YOUTODAY ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT ALL
  • 00:28:09.010 --> 00:28:09.944
  • TODAY ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT ALLOF US HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY
  • 00:28:09.944 --> 00:28:12.547
  • OF US HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERYSINGLE DAY OF OUR LIFE, IN FACT,
  • 00:28:12.547 --> 00:28:14.048
  • SINGLE DAY OF OUR LIFE, IN FACT,MANY, MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY.
  • 00:28:14.048 --> 00:28:16.151
  • MANY, MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY.AND I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ASKING
  • 00:28:16.151 --> 00:28:17.952
  • AND I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ASKINGYOU TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS THAT
  • 00:28:17.952 --> 00:28:19.220
  • YOU TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS THATI THINK IT WOULD BE HEALTHY FOR
  • 00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:20.321
  • I THINK IT WOULD BE HEALTHY FORYOU TO ASK YOURSELF AND TO TRY
  • 00:28:20.321 --> 00:28:23.091
  • YOU TO ASK YOURSELF AND TO TRYTO ANSWER VERY SERIOUSLY AND
  • 00:28:23.091 --> 00:28:25.059
  • TO ANSWER VERY SERIOUSLY ANDHONESTLY.
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  • HONESTLY.FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU FIND IT
  • 00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:27.295
  • FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU FIND ITHARD TO MAKE DECISIONS?
  • 00:28:27.295 --> 00:28:29.864
  • HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS?SECONDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OF
  • 00:28:29.864 --> 00:28:32.233
  • SECONDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OFFAILURE?
  • 00:28:32.233 --> 00:28:33.868
  • FAILURE?AND, THIRDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OF
  • 00:28:33.868 --> 00:28:35.303
  • AND, THIRDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OFTHE OPINIONS OF OTHERS?
  • 00:28:35.303 --> 00:28:38.373
  • THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS?DECISION-MAKING--
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  • DECISION-MAKING--- CHARLES: SO I JUST SIT THERE
  • 00:28:39.641 --> 00:28:40.375
  • - CHARLES: SO I JUST SIT THEREAND TALK AND PREACH TO THEM FOR
  • 00:28:40.375 --> 00:28:45.513
  • AND TALK AND PREACH TO THEM FOR30 MINUTES, AND THEN WE GOT ON--
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  • 30 MINUTES, AND THEN WE GOT ON--I THINK TED TURNER LET US ON
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  • I THINK TED TURNER LET US ONONE STATION,
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  • ONE STATION,AND SO BEFORE LONG, WE WERE ON
  • 00:28:49.717 --> 00:28:51.619
  • AND SO BEFORE LONG, WE WERE ONTWO,
  • 00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:54.689
  • TWO,AND THEN TRINITY CALLED US AND
  • 00:28:54.689 --> 00:28:57.625
  • AND THEN TRINITY CALLED US ANDSAID, "WOULD YOU LET US USE SOME
  • 00:28:57.625 --> 00:28:59.727
  • SAID, "WOULD YOU LET US USE SOMEOF YOUR VIDEOS?"
  • 00:28:59.727 --> 00:29:00.762
  • OF YOUR VIDEOS?"I SAID, "YOU CAN USE ALL OF THEM
  • 00:29:00.762 --> 00:29:02.096
  • I SAID, "YOU CAN USE ALL OF THEMYOU WANT."
  • 00:29:02.096 --> 00:29:03.464
  • YOU WANT."HE DIDN'T EVEN CHARGE US.
  • 00:29:03.464 --> 00:29:04.833
  • HE DIDN'T EVEN CHARGE US.WE JUST HAD A DEAL.
  • 00:29:04.833 --> 00:29:07.001
  • WE JUST HAD A DEAL.YOU CAN USE ANYTHING WE HAVE,
  • 00:29:07.001 --> 00:29:08.203
  • YOU CAN USE ANYTHING WE HAVE,AND SO THAT'S WHAT GOT US OUT
  • 00:29:08.203 --> 00:29:08.770
  • AND SO THAT'S WHAT GOT US OUTTHERE.
  • 00:29:08.770 --> 00:29:10.972
  • THERE.GOD JUST WORKED IT ALL OUT,
  • 00:29:10.972 --> 00:29:11.639
  • GOD JUST WORKED IT ALL OUT,STEP-BY-STEP, AND TIMING WAS
  • 00:29:11.639 --> 00:29:12.207
  • STEP-BY-STEP, AND TIMING WASPERFECT.
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  • PERFECT.- LAURIE: THAT'S AWESOME.
  • 00:29:13.608 --> 00:29:15.176
  • - LAURIE: THAT'S AWESOME.- MATT: WE, LAURIE AND I, WERE
  • 00:29:15.176 --> 00:29:17.045
  • - MATT: WE, LAURIE AND I, WEREWITH JAMES ROBISON NOT LONG AGO,
  • 00:29:17.045 --> 00:29:20.582
  • WITH JAMES ROBISON NOT LONG AGO,AND ALL OF THE SUCCESS OF IN
  • 00:29:20.582 --> 00:29:22.450
  • AND ALL OF THE SUCCESS OF INTOUCH MINISTRIES, HE KIND OF
  • 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:23.785
  • TOUCH MINISTRIES, HE KIND OFTAKES CREDIT FOR.
  • 00:29:23.785 --> 00:29:24.619
  • TAKES CREDIT FOR.NO, I'M TOTALLY KIDDING.
  • 00:29:24.619 --> 00:29:27.622
  • NO, I'M TOTALLY KIDDING.[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: IT'S OKAY.
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  • - CHARLES: IT'S OKAY.- LAURIE: HE'S LAUGHIN' THOUGH.
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  • - LAURIE: HE'S LAUGHIN' THOUGH.- MATT: THAT WAS THE BIGGEST
  • 00:29:30.925 --> 00:29:31.526
  • - MATT: THAT WAS THE BIGGESTLAUGH SO FAR BUT--
  • 00:29:31.526 --> 00:29:33.494
  • LAUGH SO FAR BUT--- CHARLES: WELL, I KNOW HIM.
  • 00:29:33.494 --> 00:29:34.462
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I KNOW HIM.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:29:34.462 --> 00:29:35.864
  • - MATT: YEAH.- LAURIE: I KNOW.
  • 00:29:35.864 --> 00:29:37.599
  • - LAURIE: I KNOW.[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]- MATT & LAURIE: LOVE YOU,
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  • - MATT & LAURIE: LOVE YOU,JAMES.
  • 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.835
  • JAMES.- MATT: BUT, YOU KNOW, JAMES
  • 00:29:40.835 --> 00:29:42.604
  • - MATT: BUT, YOU KNOW, JAMESWAS TELLING US, AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:29:42.604 --> 00:29:44.639
  • WAS TELLING US, AND, YOU KNOW,WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
  • 00:29:44.639 --> 00:29:46.708
  • WE TALKED ABOUT IT.WE HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT IT,
  • 00:29:46.708 --> 00:29:48.476
  • WE HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT IT,BUT WE BELIEVE IT WAS JAMES THAT
  • 00:29:48.476 --> 00:29:49.777
  • BUT WE BELIEVE IT WAS JAMES THATCALLED YOU TO HELP, KIND OF, GET
  • 00:29:49.777 --> 00:29:51.980
  • CALLED YOU TO HELP, KIND OF, GETYOU INTRODUCED TO THE TBN
  • 00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:52.680
  • YOU INTRODUCED TO THE TBNNETWORK BECAUSE WE STARTED ON
  • 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.983
  • NETWORK BECAUSE WE STARTED ONTHE WEST COAST.
  • 00:29:54.983 --> 00:29:56.284
  • THE WEST COAST.YOU WERE STARTING ON THE EAST
  • 00:29:56.284 --> 00:29:57.619
  • YOU WERE STARTING ON THE EASTCOAST, AND SO, BACK IN THE EARLY
  • 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.822
  • COAST, AND SO, BACK IN THE EARLY'80s, WE BELIEVE, IS WHEN IN
  • 00:30:00.822 --> 00:30:03.691
  • '80s, WE BELIEVE, IS WHEN INTOUCH MINISTRIES STARTED
  • 00:30:03.691 --> 00:30:06.194
  • TOUCH MINISTRIES STARTEDNATIONALLY ON TBN ON SATELLITE
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  • NATIONALLY ON TBN ON SATELLITEAND INTERNATIONALLY AS IT GREW,
  • 00:30:10.298 --> 00:30:13.001
  • AND INTERNATIONALLY AS IT GREW,AND THE REST IS HISTORY BUT--
  • 00:30:13.001 --> 00:30:14.936
  • AND THE REST IS HISTORY BUT--- LAURIE: WHERE DID THE NAME
  • 00:30:14.936 --> 00:30:16.170
  • - LAURIE: WHERE DID THE NAME"IN TOUCH" COME FROM?
  • 00:30:16.170 --> 00:30:18.006
  • "IN TOUCH" COME FROM?- CHARLES: WELL, I'M GLAD YOU
  • 00:30:18.006 --> 00:30:19.173
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I'M GLAD YOUASKED ME THAT BECAUSE, ONCE WE
  • 00:30:19.173 --> 00:30:20.575
  • ASKED ME THAT BECAUSE, ONCE WESTARTED THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A
  • 00:30:20.575 --> 00:30:21.142
  • STARTED THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANAME.
  • 00:30:21.142 --> 00:30:23.311
  • NAME.SO I'M SITTING IN MY STUDY ONE
  • 00:30:23.311 --> 00:30:24.646
  • SO I'M SITTING IN MY STUDY ONEDAY AND THINKIN' ABOUT THAT, AND
  • 00:30:24.646 --> 00:30:26.547
  • DAY AND THINKIN' ABOUT THAT, ANDI GLANCED OVER TO THE LEFT
  • 00:30:26.547 --> 00:30:28.549
  • I GLANCED OVER TO THE LEFTBECAUSE I HAD BOOKS ALL AROUND,
  • 00:30:28.549 --> 00:30:31.252
  • BECAUSE I HAD BOOKS ALL AROUND,AND THERE WAS THIS BOOK ABOUT SO
  • 00:30:31.252 --> 00:30:34.188
  • AND THERE WAS THIS BOOK ABOUT SOTALL, ABOUT SO THICK, AND IT WAS
  • 00:30:34.188 --> 00:30:36.557
  • TALL, ABOUT SO THICK, AND IT WASCREAM COLOR, BUT ON THE BINDER
  • 00:30:36.557 --> 00:30:38.293
  • CREAM COLOR, BUT ON THE BINDERTHERE, IT SAID, "IN TOUCH."
  • 00:30:38.293 --> 00:30:40.194
  • THERE, IT SAID, "IN TOUCH."I THOUGHT, "I WONDER-- MM,
  • 00:30:40.194 --> 00:30:41.062
  • I THOUGHT, "I WONDER-- MM,THAT'S A GOOD NAME."
  • 00:30:41.062 --> 00:30:42.563
  • THAT'S A GOOD NAME."SO I WALKED OVER AND PICKED
  • 00:30:42.563 --> 00:30:43.564
  • SO I WALKED OVER AND PICKEDIT UP, AND IT A AMPLIFIED
  • 00:30:43.564 --> 00:30:46.467
  • IT UP, AND IT A AMPLIFIEDVERSION OF THE BIBLE.
  • 00:30:46.467 --> 00:30:47.769
  • VERSION OF THE BIBLE.SO THAT'S HOW I GOT THE NAME.
  • 00:30:47.769 --> 00:30:49.971
  • SO THAT'S HOW I GOT THE NAME.- LAURIE: OKAY.
  • 00:30:49.971 --> 00:30:54.175
  • - LAURIE: OKAY.- MATT: OKAY, WE WERE TALKING
  • 00:30:54.175 --> 00:30:56.844
  • - MATT: OKAY, WE WERE TALKINGBACK IN ANOTHER ROOM BEFORE THIS
  • 00:30:56.844 --> 00:31:00.581
  • BACK IN ANOTHER ROOM BEFORE THISTAPING BEGAN, AND YOU WERE BORN
  • 00:31:00.581 --> 00:31:06.054
  • TAPING BEGAN, AND YOU WERE BORNIN 1932, OKAY?
  • 00:31:06.054 --> 00:31:11.225
  • IN 1932, OKAY?SO YOUR PARENTS-- WAS THE
  • 00:31:11.225 --> 00:31:11.993
  • SO YOUR PARENTS-- WAS THEDEPRESSION GOING ON AT THAT
  • 00:31:11.993 --> 00:31:14.462
  • DEPRESSION GOING ON AT THATTIME?
  • 00:31:14.462 --> 00:31:15.229
  • TIME?- CHARLES: YES, IT WAS, AND MY
  • 00:31:15.229 --> 00:31:16.464
  • - CHARLES: YES, IT WAS, AND MYFATHER DIED WHEN I WAS NINE
  • 00:31:16.464 --> 00:31:19.767
  • FATHER DIED WHEN I WAS NINEMONTHS OF AGE, SO IT'S JUST MY
  • 00:31:19.767 --> 00:31:22.270
  • MONTHS OF AGE, SO IT'S JUST MYMOTHER AND I.
  • 00:31:22.270 --> 00:31:23.638
  • MOTHER AND I.- MATT: OKAY, SO YOU WERE BEING
  • 00:31:23.638 --> 00:31:24.772
  • - MATT: OKAY, SO YOU WERE BEINGRAISED IN A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
  • 00:31:24.772 --> 00:31:27.008
  • RAISED IN A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO BE AWARE,
  • 00:31:27.008 --> 00:31:30.912
  • BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO BE AWARE,AND IN A YOUNG PERSON, WORLD
  • 00:31:30.912 --> 00:31:34.849
  • AND IN A YOUNG PERSON, WORLDWAR II WAS THEN HAPPENING.
  • 00:31:34.849 --> 00:31:36.784
  • WAR II WAS THEN HAPPENING.SO BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO THE
  • 00:31:36.784 --> 00:31:37.518
  • SO BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO THE50s, IT FELT LIKE AMERICA TOOK A
  • 00:31:37.518 --> 00:31:39.020
  • 50s, IT FELT LIKE AMERICA TOOK ACOLLECTIVE DEEP BREATH.
  • 00:31:39.020 --> 00:31:41.055
  • COLLECTIVE DEEP BREATH.THERE WAS GREAT EXPANSION.
  • 00:31:41.055 --> 00:31:44.692
  • THERE WAS GREAT EXPANSION.YOU WERE NOW A TEENAGER IN THE
  • 00:31:44.692 --> 00:31:45.927
  • YOU WERE NOW A TEENAGER IN THE'50s, WHICH, I GUESS, IN SOME
  • 00:31:45.927 --> 00:31:50.231
  • '50s, WHICH, I GUESS, IN SOMEPEOPLE'S ESTIMATION, WAS THE
  • 00:31:50.231 --> 00:31:53.234
  • PEOPLE'S ESTIMATION, WAS THEGREATEST TIME TO BE A TEENAGER
  • 00:31:53.234 --> 00:31:55.570
  • GREATEST TIME TO BE A TEENAGERAND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE
  • 00:31:55.570 --> 00:31:57.171
  • AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE'50s AND SO MUCH GROWTH, AND
  • 00:31:57.171 --> 00:31:59.407
  • '50s AND SO MUCH GROWTH, ANDAMERICA, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY-- SO
  • 00:31:59.407 --> 00:32:04.645
  • AMERICA, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY-- SOFROM THAT TIME WHEN YOU WERE A
  • 00:32:04.645 --> 00:32:07.749
  • FROM THAT TIME WHEN YOU WERE AYOUNG PERSON AND LIVING LIFE IN
  • 00:32:07.749 --> 00:32:09.384
  • YOUNG PERSON AND LIVING LIFE INAMERICA, WHERE WERE YOU AT THAT
  • 00:32:09.384 --> 00:32:11.786
  • AMERICA, WHERE WERE YOU AT THATTIME OF YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:32:11.786 --> 00:32:12.453
  • TIME OF YOUR LIFE?WHAT-- GEOGRAPHICALLY, WHERE
  • 00:32:12.453 --> 00:32:13.588
  • WHAT-- GEOGRAPHICALLY, WHEREWERE YOU?
  • 00:32:13.588 --> 00:32:14.422
  • WERE YOU?- CHARLES: IN THE '50s, I WAS
  • 00:32:14.422 --> 00:32:18.593
  • - CHARLES: IN THE '50s, I WASSTILL IN COLLEGE, IN SEMINARY.
  • 00:32:18.593 --> 00:32:19.527
  • STILL IN COLLEGE, IN SEMINARY.- MATT: OKAY, WHAT STATE?
  • 00:32:19.527 --> 00:32:20.795
  • - MATT: OKAY, WHAT STATE?WHERE WERE YOU?
  • 00:32:20.795 --> 00:32:21.696
  • WHERE WERE YOU?- CHARLES: I WENT TO SCHOOL IN
  • 00:32:21.696 --> 00:32:22.864
  • - CHARLES: I WENT TO SCHOOL INRICHMOND, UNIVERSITY OF
  • 00:32:22.864 --> 00:32:24.565
  • RICHMOND, UNIVERSITY OFRICHMOND, AND THEN DALLAS-FORT
  • 00:32:24.565 --> 00:32:26.567
  • RICHMOND, AND THEN DALLAS-FORTWORTH, AT THE BAPTIST SEMINARY
  • 00:32:26.567 --> 00:32:28.436
  • WORTH, AT THE BAPTIST SEMINARYTHERE.
  • 00:32:28.436 --> 00:32:28.970
  • THERE.- MATT: GOT IT.
  • 00:32:28.970 --> 00:32:31.439
  • - MATT: GOT IT.SO YOU WERE GROWING UP IN THAT
  • 00:32:31.439 --> 00:32:34.075
  • SO YOU WERE GROWING UP IN THATPERIOD OF TIME.
  • 00:32:34.075 --> 00:32:38.312
  • PERIOD OF TIME.COMPARE THAT TIME TO TODAY, AND
  • 00:32:38.312 --> 00:32:42.083
  • COMPARE THAT TIME TO TODAY, ANDIT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S A-- IF
  • 00:32:42.083 --> 00:32:43.951
  • IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S A-- IFIT'S A--
  • 00:32:43.951 --> 00:32:44.952
  • IT'S A--- LAURIE: DIFFERENT WORLD.
  • 00:32:44.952 --> 00:32:45.920
  • - LAURIE: DIFFERENT WORLD.- MATT: -- IT'S A DIFFERENT
  • 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:46.854
  • - MATT: -- IT'S A DIFFERENTPLANET, NOT EVEN A DIFFERENT
  • 00:32:46.854 --> 00:32:48.222
  • PLANET, NOT EVEN A DIFFERENTTIME, BUT DIFFERENT PLANET.
  • 00:32:48.222 --> 00:32:50.358
  • - CHARLES: I THINK THE SECOND
  • 00:32:51.659 --> 00:32:53.428
  • - CHARLES: I THINK THE SECONDWORLD WAR AFFECTED ME AS A KID
  • 00:32:53.428 --> 00:32:56.931
  • WORLD WAR AFFECTED ME AS A KIDWITH THE IDEA OF THE COURAGE AND
  • 00:32:56.931 --> 00:32:59.300
  • WITH THE IDEA OF THE COURAGE ANDTHE BRAVERY AND THE
  • 00:32:59.300 --> 00:33:01.569
  • THE BRAVERY AND THEDETERMINATION AND WILLING TO DIE
  • 00:33:01.569 --> 00:33:02.270
  • DETERMINATION AND WILLING TO DIEFOR YOUR COUNTRY.
  • 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:04.172
  • FOR YOUR COUNTRY.IT WAS THIS AWESOME SENSE OF
  • 00:33:04.172 --> 00:33:06.040
  • IT WAS THIS AWESOME SENSE OFINNER PRIDE, AND I THINK PART OF
  • 00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:10.344
  • INNER PRIDE, AND I THINK PART OFTHAT WAS A MOTIVATION TO ME TO
  • 00:33:10.344 --> 00:33:12.747
  • THAT WAS A MOTIVATION TO ME TOWANNA DO MY BEST AND BE MY BEST
  • 00:33:12.747 --> 00:33:15.950
  • WANNA DO MY BEST AND BE MY BESTAND LOOK MY BEST, AND SO THEY
  • 00:33:15.950 --> 00:33:20.154
  • AND LOOK MY BEST, AND SO THEYWERE GOOD YEARS, AND I DELIVERED
  • 00:33:20.154 --> 00:33:21.556
  • WERE GOOD YEARS, AND I DELIVEREDNEWSPAPERS TWICE A DAY FOR FOUR
  • 00:33:21.556 --> 00:33:24.826
  • NEWSPAPERS TWICE A DAY FOR FOURYEARS, AND THEY WERE CHALLENGING
  • 00:33:24.826 --> 00:33:26.094
  • YEARS, AND THEY WERE CHALLENGINGTIMES.
  • 00:33:26.094 --> 00:33:27.562
  • TIMES.THEN I WENT TO COLLEGE AND THEN
  • 00:33:27.562 --> 00:33:30.765
  • THEN I WENT TO COLLEGE AND THENSEMINARY, AND THEN IN THOSE
  • 00:33:30.765 --> 00:33:34.969
  • SEMINARY, AND THEN IN THOSEYEARS AT THE END OF THE '50s AND
  • 00:33:34.969 --> 00:33:35.837
  • YEARS AT THE END OF THE '50s ANDEARLY '60s WERE SORT OF GELLING
  • 00:33:35.837 --> 00:33:38.706
  • EARLY '60s WERE SORT OF GELLINGYEARS FOR ME.
  • 00:33:38.706 --> 00:33:40.007
  • YEARS FOR ME.THEY JUST-- YOU KNOW, WE'D COME
  • 00:33:40.007 --> 00:33:42.343
  • THEY JUST-- YOU KNOW, WE'D COMEA LONG WAYS, AND A COUNTRY IS
  • 00:33:42.343 --> 00:33:44.011
  • A LONG WAYS, AND A COUNTRY ISGROWING, AND I LIKED WHAT WAS
  • 00:33:44.011 --> 00:33:45.613
  • GROWING, AND I LIKED WHAT WASHAPPENING.
  • 00:33:45.613 --> 00:33:46.881
  • HAPPENING.AND THEN WE HIT THE '60s AND
  • 00:33:46.881 --> 00:33:49.450
  • AND THEN WE HIT THE '60s AND'70s AND '80s AND HERE WE ARE.
  • 00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:51.953
  • '70s AND '80s AND HERE WE ARE.IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD, TOTALLY
  • 00:33:51.953 --> 00:33:53.788
  • IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD, TOTALLYDIFFERENT WORLD, AND, IN FACT, I
  • 00:33:53.788 --> 00:33:55.289
  • DIFFERENT WORLD, AND, IN FACT, ITHINK, IF I WERE A TEENAGER
  • 00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:56.824
  • THINK, IF I WERE A TEENAGERTODAY, HOW COULD I SURVIVE WHAT
  • 00:33:56.824 --> 00:34:00.027
  • TODAY, HOW COULD I SURVIVE WHATTHEY HAVE TO FACE?
  • 00:34:00.027 --> 00:34:01.696
  • THEY HAVE TO FACE?THERE WAS NO TELEVISION WHEN I
  • 00:34:01.696 --> 00:34:07.101
  • THERE WAS NO TELEVISION WHEN IGREW UP, AND SO TODAY IT'S A
  • 00:34:07.101 --> 00:34:08.769
  • GREW UP, AND SO TODAY IT'S ADIFFERENT WORLD.
  • 00:34:08.769 --> 00:34:09.470
  • DIFFERENT WORLD.IT'S LIKE LIVING ON ANOTHER
  • 00:34:09.470 --> 00:34:10.271
  • IT'S LIKE LIVING ON ANOTHERPLANET.
  • 00:34:10.271 --> 00:34:11.205
  • PLANET.- MATT: THE INTERNET MEANS THAT
  • 00:34:11.205 --> 00:34:11.939
  • - MATT: THE INTERNET MEANS THAT- MATT: WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:34:11.939 --> 00:34:14.575
  • - MATT: WHEN YOU THINK ABOUTWHAT YOU MIGHT'VE PREACHED AS A
  • 00:34:14.575 --> 00:34:16.511
  • WHAT YOU MIGHT'VE PREACHED AS AYOUNG PREACHER, WHEN WAS YOUR
  • 00:34:16.511 --> 00:34:18.779
  • YOUNG PREACHER, WHEN WAS YOURFIRST-- WHEN DID YOU PREACH YOUR
  • 00:34:18.779 --> 00:34:19.413
  • FIRST-- WHEN DID YOU PREACH YOURFIRST SERMON?
  • 00:34:19.413 --> 00:34:20.481
  • FIRST SERMON?WHAT, ROUGHLY, YEAR WAS THAT?
  • 00:34:20.481 --> 00:34:23.151
  • WHAT, ROUGHLY, YEAR WAS THAT?WAS THAT IN THE '60s?
  • 00:34:23.151 --> 00:34:24.886
  • WAS THAT IN THE '60s?- CHARLES: NO, THAT WAS-- MY
  • 00:34:24.886 --> 00:34:28.022
  • - CHARLES: NO, THAT WAS-- MYFIRST SERMON WAS IN THE '50S,
  • 00:34:28.022 --> 00:34:28.823
  • FIRST SERMON WAS IN THE '50S,EARLY '50s.
  • 00:34:28.823 --> 00:34:29.891
  • EARLY '50s.- MATT: SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:34:29.891 --> 00:34:32.026
  • - MATT: SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUTWHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN
  • 00:34:32.026 --> 00:34:33.628
  • WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEENPREACHING ABOUT THEN AND WHAT
  • 00:34:33.628 --> 00:34:36.497
  • PREACHING ABOUT THEN AND WHATYOU MIGHT PREACH THIS NEXT
  • 00:34:36.497 --> 00:34:37.798
  • YOU MIGHT PREACH THIS NEXTSUNDAY, ARE THEY TOTALLY
  • 00:34:37.798 --> 00:34:39.066
  • SUNDAY, ARE THEY TOTALLYDIFFERENT, OR ARE THEY ODDLY
  • 00:34:39.066 --> 00:34:40.535
  • DIFFERENT, OR ARE THEY ODDLYSIMILAR?
  • 00:34:40.535 --> 00:34:42.203
  • SIMILAR?- CHARLES: WELL, I WOULD SAY
  • 00:34:42.203 --> 00:34:44.438
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I WOULD SAYMORE DIFFERENT THAN I HAD
  • 00:34:44.438 --> 00:34:46.374
  • MORE DIFFERENT THAN I HADTHOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE, BACK IN
  • 00:34:46.374 --> 00:34:47.775
  • THOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE, BACK INTHOSE DAYS, IT WAS WINNING
  • 00:34:47.775 --> 00:34:49.010
  • THOSE DAYS, IT WAS WINNINGPEOPLE TO CHRIST AND GETTIN'
  • 00:34:49.010 --> 00:34:51.012
  • PEOPLE TO CHRIST AND GETTIN'PEOPLE SAVED, AND I THINK AS THE
  • 00:34:51.012 --> 00:34:52.446
  • PEOPLE SAVED, AND I THINK AS THEYEARS HAVE GONE BY, I'M MORE
  • 00:34:52.446 --> 00:34:54.115
  • YEARS HAVE GONE BY, I'M MOREINTO "I WANNA GROW YOU UP, AND I
  • 00:34:54.115 --> 00:34:55.716
  • INTO "I WANNA GROW YOU UP, AND IWANT YOU TO TRUST GOD, AND I
  • 00:34:55.716 --> 00:34:57.785
  • WANT YOU TO TRUST GOD, AND IWANT YOU TO BE WHAT HE WANTS YOU
  • 00:34:57.785 --> 00:34:58.986
  • WANT YOU TO BE WHAT HE WANTS YOUTO BE, AND DON'T GET
  • 00:34:58.986 --> 00:35:00.755
  • TO BE, AND DON'T GETDISCOURAGED," AND, YOU KNOW, SO,
  • 00:35:00.755 --> 00:35:01.722
  • DISCOURAGED," AND, YOU KNOW, SO,FOR ME, THE WORLD'S CHANGED MY
  • 00:35:01.722 --> 00:35:03.658
  • FOR ME, THE WORLD'S CHANGED MYWHOLE MESSAGE.
  • 00:35:03.658 --> 00:35:06.861
  • WHOLE MESSAGE.- MATT: WHEN DID YOU FEEL THAT
  • 00:35:06.861 --> 00:35:10.431
  • - MATT: WHEN DID YOU FEEL THATCHANGE TO YOUR CURRENT MESSAGE?
  • 00:35:10.431 --> 00:35:14.669
  • CHANGE TO YOUR CURRENT MESSAGE?- CHARLES: I WOULD SAY WHEN I
  • 00:35:14.669 --> 00:35:15.403
  • - CHARLES: I WOULD SAY WHEN ICAME TO ATLANTA, AND ALL THE
  • 00:35:15.403 --> 00:35:19.273
  • CAME TO ATLANTA, AND ALL THEBATTLES I WENT THROUGH.
  • 00:35:19.273 --> 00:35:21.475
  • BATTLES I WENT THROUGH.THAT WAS GOD-- IN OTHER WORDS, I
  • 00:35:21.475 --> 00:35:26.747
  • THAT WAS GOD-- IN OTHER WORDS, IWAS HAVIN' TO TRUST AND LIVE OUT
  • 00:35:26.747 --> 00:35:27.481
  • WAS HAVIN' TO TRUST AND LIVE OUTWHAT I'VE BEEN PREACHING, AND,
  • 00:35:27.481 --> 00:35:30.885
  • WHAT I'VE BEEN PREACHING, AND,OF COURSE, DIFFERENT SITUATIONS
  • 00:35:30.885 --> 00:35:32.119
  • OF COURSE, DIFFERENT SITUATIONSAND CIRCUMSTANCES HELP YOU TO
  • 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.389
  • AND CIRCUMSTANCES HELP YOU TOGROW UP, AND I WOULD SAY, FOR
  • 00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:37.725
  • GROW UP, AND I WOULD SAY, FORTHE LAST 30 YEARS,
  • 00:35:37.725 --> 00:35:39.794
  • THE LAST 30 YEARS,THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN.
  • 00:35:39.794 --> 00:35:41.596
  • THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN.I WANNA GROW PEOPLE UP BECAUSE I
  • 00:35:41.596 --> 00:35:43.664
  • I WANNA GROW PEOPLE UP BECAUSE ISAW SO MANY PEOPLE GET SAVED,
  • 00:35:43.664 --> 00:35:45.199
  • SAW SO MANY PEOPLE GET SAVED,SUPPOSEDLY, AND DRIFT AWAY, AND
  • 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:46.500
  • SUPPOSEDLY, AND DRIFT AWAY, ANDI THINK, "WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:49.303
  • I THINK, "WAIT A MINUTE.THIS IS NOT GOD'S PLAN," SO 99%
  • 00:35:49.303 --> 00:35:52.406
  • THIS IS NOT GOD'S PLAN," SO 99%OF THE TIME, I'M SPEAKIN' TO
  • 00:35:52.406 --> 00:35:55.209
  • OF THE TIME, I'M SPEAKIN' TOCHRISTIANS, BUT I'M ALSO
  • 00:35:55.209 --> 00:35:57.712
  • CHRISTIANS, BUT I'M ALSOSPEAKING TO UNBELIEVERS BECAUSE
  • 00:35:57.712 --> 00:35:59.814
  • SPEAKING TO UNBELIEVERS BECAUSEI WANT THEM TO SEE WHAT IT CAN
  • 00:35:59.814 --> 00:36:02.316
  • I WANT THEM TO SEE WHAT IT CANBE LIKE-- YOU TRUST GOD-- AND
  • 00:36:02.316 --> 00:36:03.017
  • BE LIKE-- YOU TRUST GOD-- ANDWHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE IF YOU
  • 00:36:03.017 --> 00:36:04.518
  • BUT MY EMPHASIS IS TO GROW UP
  • 00:36:06.487 --> 00:36:07.955
  • BUT MY EMPHASIS IS TO GROW UPTHE BELIEVERS.
  • 00:36:07.955 --> 00:36:09.490
  • THE BELIEVERS.AND WHEN GOD GIVES US A
  • 00:36:09.490 --> 00:36:10.658
  • AND WHEN GOD GIVES US AVERY CLEAR PICTURE OF
  • 00:36:10.658 --> 00:36:11.659
  • VERY CLEAR PICTURE OFSOMETHING, HE WANTS US TO
  • 00:36:11.659 --> 00:36:13.160
  • SOMETHING, HE WANTS US TOUNDERSTAND THIS IS THE WAY IT
  • 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:14.328
  • UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE WAY ITIS-- NOT THE WAY YOU THINK IT
  • 00:36:14.328 --> 00:36:15.129
  • IS-- NOT THE WAY YOU THINK ITIS.
  • 00:36:15.129 --> 00:36:17.064
  • IS.THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.
  • 00:36:17.064 --> 00:36:18.366
  • THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.AND THIS YOUNG MAN'S LIFE IS A
  • 00:36:18.366 --> 00:36:20.101
  • AND THIS YOUNG MAN'S LIFE IS APERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE MOST
  • 00:36:20.101 --> 00:36:24.438
  • PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE MOSTPEOPLE ARE LIVING TODAY.
  • 00:36:24.438 --> 00:36:27.141
  • PEOPLE ARE LIVING TODAY."WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR HE,
  • 00:36:27.141 --> 00:36:29.210
  • "WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR HE,HERE'S WHAT HE CAN DO FOR YOU."
  • 00:36:29.210 --> 00:36:29.744
  • HERE'S WHAT HE CAN DO FOR YOU."THAT'S ALL THEY HAD.
  • 00:36:29.744 --> 00:36:31.012
  • THAT'S ALL THEY HAD.THEY HAD NO RADIO, NO
  • 00:36:31.012 --> 00:36:39.287
  • THEY HAD NO RADIO, NOTELEVISION, NO YOUTUBE,
  • 00:36:39.287 --> 00:36:40.788
  • TELEVISION, NO YOUTUBE,NO COMMUNICATIONS LIKE WE HAVE,
  • 00:36:40.788 --> 00:36:42.990
  • NO COMMUNICATIONS LIKE WE HAVE,NO COMPUTER-- NOTHING.
  • 00:36:42.990 --> 00:36:46.294
  • NO COMPUTER-- NOTHING.ALL THEY HAD WAS THE TESTIMONY
  • 00:36:46.294 --> 00:36:47.762
  • ALL THEY HAD WAS THE TESTIMONYOF THEIR HEART AND THEIR SOUL,
  • 00:36:47.762 --> 00:36:51.198
  • OF THEIR HEART AND THEIR SOUL,WHAT JESUS HAD DONE FOR THEM.
  • 00:36:51.198 --> 00:36:53.801
  • WHAT JESUS HAD DONE FOR THEM.BUT HE'S THE GOD OF AWESOME
  • 00:36:53.801 --> 00:36:54.535
  • BUT HE'S THE GOD OF AWESOMEPROMISES, AND ONE THING ABOUT
  • 00:36:54.535 --> 00:36:58.606
  • PROMISES, AND ONE THING ABOUTIT, HE HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN
  • 00:36:58.606 --> 00:37:00.641
  • - MATT: DO YOU BELIEVE
  • 00:37:01.876 --> 00:37:03.377
  • - MATT: DO YOU BELIEVECHALLENGES IN YOUR LIFE, THE
  • 00:37:03.377 --> 00:37:05.579
  • CHALLENGES IN YOUR LIFE, THETAKEAWAY CREATED THE YOU THAT
  • 00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:07.648
  • TAKEAWAY CREATED THE YOU THATYOU ARE NOW?
  • 00:37:07.648 --> 00:37:08.683
  • YOU ARE NOW?- CHARLES: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:37:08.683 --> 00:37:10.251
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I THINK WHEN
  • 00:37:11.585 --> 00:37:14.355
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I THINK WHENYOU GO THROUGH TOUGH TIMES, YOU
  • 00:37:14.355 --> 00:37:15.289
  • YOU GO THROUGH TOUGH TIMES, YOUEITHER DO ONE OF TWO THINGS:
  • 00:37:15.289 --> 00:37:15.956
  • EITHER DO ONE OF TWO THINGS:YOU YIELD, OR YOU TRUST GOD,
  • 00:37:15.956 --> 00:37:17.124
  • YOU YIELD, OR YOU TRUST GOD,AND I THINK--
  • 00:37:17.124 --> 00:37:18.926
  • AND I THINK--I LOOK BACK AND SEE MY
  • 00:37:18.926 --> 00:37:20.795
  • I LOOK BACK AND SEE MYFIRST CHURCH.
  • 00:37:20.795 --> 00:37:23.230
  • AND THE DEACONS HAD A PRIVATE
  • 00:37:25.232 --> 00:37:27.335
  • AND THE DEACONS HAD A PRIVATEMEETING, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT I
  • 00:37:27.335 --> 00:37:28.669
  • MEETING, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT IWAS PREACHING A LITTLE TOO
  • 00:37:28.669 --> 00:37:30.271
  • WAS PREACHING A LITTLE TOOSTRONG AFTER I HAD BEEN THERE
  • 00:37:30.271 --> 00:37:33.674
  • STRONG AFTER I HAD BEEN THERETWO WEEKS, AND SO ONE OF 'EM
  • 00:37:33.674 --> 00:37:35.276
  • TWO WEEKS, AND SO ONE OF 'EMCAME AND TOLD ME ABOUT THIS
  • 00:37:35.276 --> 00:37:36.811
  • CAME AND TOLD ME ABOUT THISSECRET MEETING THEY HAD, SO I
  • 00:37:36.811 --> 00:37:39.447
  • SECRET MEETING THEY HAD, SO IWENT TO THE GUY WHO CALLED THE
  • 00:37:39.447 --> 00:37:40.748
  • WENT TO THE GUY WHO CALLED THEMEETING AND CONFRONTED HIM, AND
  • 00:37:40.748 --> 00:37:44.051
  • MEETING AND CONFRONTED HIM, ANDI SAID, "NOW, LOOK, IF YOU'LL
  • 00:37:44.051 --> 00:37:46.053
  • I SAID, "NOW, LOOK, IF YOU'LLSHOW ME SOMETHING SCRIPTURALLY
  • 00:37:46.053 --> 00:37:47.321
  • SHOW ME SOMETHING SCRIPTURALLYI'VE SAID WRONG, I'LL LISTEN,
  • 00:37:47.321 --> 00:37:48.122
  • I'VE SAID WRONG, I'LL LISTEN,BUT IF YOU CAN'T, YOU NEED TO
  • 00:37:48.122 --> 00:37:50.291
  • BUT IF YOU CAN'T, YOU NEED TOBE QUIET."
  • 00:37:50.291 --> 00:37:50.858
  • BE QUIET."- MATT: DID YOU SAY,
  • 00:37:50.858 --> 00:37:51.625
  • - MATT: DID YOU SAY,"BE QUIET," OR DID YOU SAY,
  • 00:37:51.625 --> 00:37:54.195
  • "BE QUIET," OR DID YOU SAY,"SHUT UP"?
  • 00:37:54.195 --> 00:37:54.795
  • "SHUT UP"?- CHARLES: NO, I SAID,
  • 00:37:54.795 --> 00:37:55.196
  • - CHARLES: NO, I SAID,"BE QUIET."
  • 00:37:55.196 --> 00:37:55.896
  • "BE QUIET."HE WAS MUCH OLDER THAN I WAS.
  • 00:37:55.896 --> 00:37:56.630
  • HE WAS MUCH OLDER THAN I WAS.- MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT, GOOD.
  • 00:37:56.630 --> 00:37:57.765
  • - MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT, GOOD.- CHARLES: SO WHEN WE HAD OUR
  • 00:37:57.765 --> 00:37:58.366
  • - CHARLES: SO WHEN WE HAD OURFIRST--
  • 00:37:58.366 --> 00:37:58.933
  • FIRST--- MATT: I'M LEARNING.
  • 00:37:58.933 --> 00:37:59.400
  • - MATT: I'M LEARNING.- CHARLES: YES.
  • 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.267
  • - CHARLES: YES.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:38:00.267 --> 00:38:00.901
  • [LAUGHTER]- LAURIE: YEAH, NOT QUICK
  • 00:38:00.901 --> 00:38:01.869
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, NOT QUICKENOUGH.
  • 00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:03.037
  • ENOUGH.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:38:03.037 --> 00:38:03.871
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: WHEN WE HAD OUR
  • 00:38:03.871 --> 00:38:05.406
  • - CHARLES: WHEN WE HAD OURFIRST REVIVAL, I REMEMBER THAT
  • 00:38:05.406 --> 00:38:06.173
  • FIRST REVIVAL, I REMEMBER THATHE PERSONALLY MOWED THE GRASS
  • 00:38:06.173 --> 00:38:07.475
  • HE PERSONALLY MOWED THE GRASSTHE WEEK BEFORE.
  • 00:38:07.475 --> 00:38:08.008
  • THE WEEK BEFORE.IT'S A SMALL CHURCH.
  • 00:38:08.008 --> 00:38:09.944
  • IT'S A SMALL CHURCH.HE PUT $20 IN THE OFFERING PLATE
  • 00:38:09.944 --> 00:38:11.846
  • HE PUT $20 IN THE OFFERING PLATEEVERY TIME IT CAME BY BECAUSE
  • 00:38:11.846 --> 00:38:13.748
  • EVERY TIME IT CAME BY BECAUSEONE OF HIS FRIENDS WAS ONE OF MY
  • 00:38:13.748 --> 00:38:17.318
  • ONE OF HIS FRIENDS WAS ONE OF MYFRIENDS, AND SO I JUST-- I WAS
  • 00:38:17.318 --> 00:38:19.220
  • FRIENDS, AND SO I JUST-- I WASBLESSED IN THOSE EARLY YEARS,
  • 00:38:19.220 --> 00:38:22.456
  • BLESSED IN THOSE EARLY YEARS,AND I'VE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE
  • 00:38:22.456 --> 00:38:23.958
  • AND I'VE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLETROUBLE, AND TROUBLES COME UP IN
  • 00:38:23.958 --> 00:38:26.026
  • TROUBLE, AND TROUBLES COME UP INEVERY PLACE I'VE BEEN BECAUSE
  • 00:38:26.026 --> 00:38:27.328
  • EVERY PLACE I'VE BEEN BECAUSEPEOPLE DON'T-- THEY WANTED YOU
  • 00:38:27.328 --> 00:38:31.365
  • PEOPLE DON'T-- THEY WANTED YOUTO SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM
  • 00:38:31.365 --> 00:38:32.900
  • TO SAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEMFEEL GOOD ON SUNDAY, BUT YOU
  • 00:38:32.900 --> 00:38:35.269
  • FEEL GOOD ON SUNDAY, BUT YOUCAN'T PREACH THE WORD OF GOD AND
  • 00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:36.370
  • CAN'T PREACH THE WORD OF GOD ANDMAKE EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD, SO,
  • 00:38:36.370 --> 00:38:38.639
  • MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD, SO,YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD MY TRIALS,
  • 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.041
  • YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD MY TRIALS,BUT USUALLY THEY COME AROUND.
  • 00:38:41.041 --> 00:38:43.244
  • BUT USUALLY THEY COME AROUND.EITHER THEY LEAVE OR I LEAVE,
  • 00:38:43.244 --> 00:38:45.813
  • EITHER THEY LEAVE OR I LEAVE,BUT I'VE NEVER LEFT SO, YOU
  • 00:38:45.813 --> 00:38:47.915
  • BUT I'VE NEVER LEFT SO, YOUKNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
  • 00:38:47.915 --> 00:38:51.419
  • KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.- LAURIE: OKAY, SO EVEN-- I'M A
  • 00:38:51.419 --> 00:38:52.153
  • - LAURIE: OKAY, SO EVEN-- I'M ALITTLE BIT YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE,
  • 00:38:52.153 --> 00:38:56.457
  • LITTLE BIT YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE,BUT EVEN TODAY--
  • 00:38:56.457 --> 00:38:57.124
  • BUT EVEN TODAY--- CHARLES: I THINK YOU'RE A
  • 00:38:57.124 --> 00:38:58.292
  • - CHARLES: I THINK YOU'RE AWHOLE LOT YOUNGER THAN I AM.
  • 00:38:58.292 --> 00:38:58.826
  • WHOLE LOT YOUNGER THAN I AM.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:38:58.826 --> 00:39:00.094
  • [LAUGHTER]- LAURIE: -- I SEE THINGS ON
  • 00:39:00.094 --> 00:39:01.695
  • - LAURIE: -- I SEE THINGS ONTELEVISION, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE
  • 00:39:01.695 --> 00:39:02.763
  • TELEVISION, YOU KNOW, AND I'VEGOT 20-SOMETHING-YEAR-OLD SONS,
  • 00:39:02.763 --> 00:39:05.900
  • GOT 20-SOMETHING-YEAR-OLD SONS,YOU KNOW, AND I'VE LOOKED AT
  • 00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:07.401
  • YOU KNOW, AND I'VE LOOKED ATTHEM A HUNDRED TIMES AND GO, "I
  • 00:39:07.401 --> 00:39:08.335
  • THEM A HUNDRED TIMES AND GO, "ICAN'T BELIEVE I JUST HEARD THAT
  • 00:39:08.335 --> 00:39:10.371
  • CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST HEARD THATON TELEVISION.
  • 00:39:10.371 --> 00:39:11.272
  • ON TELEVISION.YOU KNOW, IF I WAS YOUR AGE AND
  • 00:39:11.272 --> 00:39:12.740
  • YOU KNOW, IF I WAS YOUR AGE ANDI HAD HEARD THAT, I WOULD'VE
  • 00:39:12.740 --> 00:39:13.974
  • I HAD HEARD THAT, I WOULD'VEJUST PROBABLY FAINTED IN MY
  • 00:39:13.974 --> 00:39:14.775
  • JUST PROBABLY FAINTED IN MYLIVING ROOM," YOU KNOW, JUST--
  • 00:39:14.775 --> 00:39:16.777
  • LIVING ROOM," YOU KNOW, JUST--SO WE'RE FACING STUFF THAT I
  • 00:39:16.777 --> 00:39:19.346
  • SO WE'RE FACING STUFF THAT IDON'T BELIEVE-- DR. STANLEY, I
  • 00:39:19.346 --> 00:39:20.815
  • DON'T BELIEVE-- DR. STANLEY, INEVER DREAMED IN MY LIFETIME THE
  • 00:39:20.815 --> 00:39:25.519
  • NEVER DREAMED IN MY LIFETIME THEBLATANT STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO
  • 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:26.220
  • BLATANT STUFF THAT WE HAVE TODEAL WITH, AND IT'S REAL LIFE
  • 00:39:26.220 --> 00:39:28.322
  • DEAL WITH, AND IT'S REAL LIFEFOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE, AND
  • 00:39:28.322 --> 00:39:31.125
  • FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE, ANDTHERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRUTH, AND
  • 00:39:31.125 --> 00:39:31.959
  • THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TRUTH, ANDTHEN THERE'S LOVE, AND BALANCING
  • 00:39:31.959 --> 00:39:37.698
  • THEN THERE'S LOVE, AND BALANCINGTHE TRUTH IN LOVE.
  • 00:39:37.698 --> 00:39:38.399
  • THE TRUTH IN LOVE.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO
  • 00:39:38.399 --> 00:39:40.434
  • DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TOTHAT?
  • 00:39:40.434 --> 00:39:42.169
  • THAT?BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THAT
  • 00:39:42.169 --> 00:39:43.471
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THATTRUTH--
  • 00:39:43.471 --> 00:39:47.107
  • TRUTH--- MATT: WITHOUT LOVE IS MEAN.
  • 00:39:47.107 --> 00:39:48.342
  • - MATT: WITHOUT LOVE IS MEAN.- MATT & LAURIE: LOVE WITHOUT
  • 00:39:48.342 --> 00:39:50.411
  • - MATT & LAURIE: LOVE WITHOUTTRUTH IS MEANINGLESS.
  • 00:39:50.411 --> 00:39:51.045
  • TRUTH IS MEANINGLESS.- MATT: THANK YOU, CHRIS,
  • 00:39:51.045 --> 00:39:51.612
  • - MATT: THANK YOU, CHRIS,BY THE WAY.
  • 00:39:51.612 --> 00:39:52.480
  • BY THE WAY.- LAURIE: THANK YOU, CHRIS.
  • 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.147
  • - LAURIE: THANK YOU, CHRIS.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:39:53.147 --> 00:39:53.814
  • [LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, BUT THAT THERE'S A
  • 00:39:53.814 --> 00:39:54.315
  • YOU KNOW, BUT THAT THERE'S ABALANCE THERE.
  • 00:39:54.315 --> 00:39:56.350
  • BALANCE THERE.HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO THAT TODAY?
  • 00:39:56.350 --> 00:39:57.051
  • HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO THAT TODAY?- MATT: HOW DO YOU PUT THOSE
  • 00:39:57.051 --> 00:39:57.751
  • - MATT: HOW DO YOU PUT THOSETWO THINGS ON A SCALE?
  • 00:39:57.751 --> 00:39:59.453
  • TWO THINGS ON A SCALE?- CHARLES: WELL, I THINK IT'S
  • 00:39:59.453 --> 00:40:00.488
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I THINK IT'STHE SPIRIT IN WHICH YOU DO IT.
  • 00:40:00.488 --> 00:40:01.755
  • THE SPIRIT IN WHICH YOU DO IT.IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT TO BE
  • 00:40:01.755 --> 00:40:03.090
  • IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT TO BEHONEST AND TRUTHFUL, AND YOU CAN
  • 00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:05.793
  • HONEST AND TRUTHFUL, AND YOU CANSAY THAT IN A WAY THAT'S
  • 00:40:05.793 --> 00:40:08.662
  • SAY THAT IN A WAY THAT'SACCEPTABLE, OR SOMETIMES IT'S
  • 00:40:08.662 --> 00:40:10.331
  • ACCEPTABLE, OR SOMETIMES IT'SREJECTED, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO
  • 00:40:10.331 --> 00:40:12.666
  • REJECTED, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TOLIVE ACCORDING TO OUR GOD-GIVEN
  • 00:40:12.666 --> 00:40:14.101
  • LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR GOD-GIVENCONVICTIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE
  • 00:40:14.101 --> 00:40:16.070
  • CONVICTIONS, WHETHER THEY'REACCEPTED OR NOT, AND WHAT I'VE
  • 00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:17.705
  • ACCEPTED OR NOT, AND WHAT I'VEDISCOVERED IS, IF YOU DO, SOONER
  • 00:40:17.705 --> 00:40:19.773
  • DISCOVERED IS, IF YOU DO, SOONEROR LATER, THESE PEOPLE LEAVE
  • 00:40:19.773 --> 00:40:25.279
  • OR LATER, THESE PEOPLE LEAVEYOUR LIFE OR THEY JOIN YA.
  • 00:40:25.279 --> 00:40:26.480
  • YOUR LIFE OR THEY JOIN YA.- MATT: SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:27.882
  • - MATT: SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUTLEADERSHIP, IN A SENSE, THAT YOU
  • 00:40:27.882 --> 00:40:30.351
  • LEADERSHIP, IN A SENSE, THAT YOUCONTINUE TO-- WE'RE GOING BACK
  • 00:40:30.351 --> 00:40:31.452
  • CONTINUE TO-- WE'RE GOING BACKTO THE THEME-- OBEY GOD, LEAVE
  • 00:40:31.452 --> 00:40:34.955
  • TO THE THEME-- OBEY GOD, LEAVEALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM,
  • 00:40:34.955 --> 00:40:36.624
  • ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM,WHICH MEANS SOME PEOPLE MAY
  • 00:40:36.624 --> 00:40:39.193
  • WHICH MEANS SOME PEOPLE MAYLEAVE YA, OR THEY'RE GONNA JOIN
  • 00:40:39.193 --> 00:40:39.894
  • LEAVE YA, OR THEY'RE GONNA JOINYA, BUT YOU'RE JUST GONNA OBEY
  • 00:40:39.894 --> 00:40:40.628
  • YA, BUT YOU'RE JUST GONNA OBEYGOD.
  • 00:40:40.628 --> 00:40:42.062
  • GOD.IS THAT--
  • 00:40:42.062 --> 00:40:43.063
  • IS THAT--- CHARLES: BECAUSE, IF YOU GET
  • 00:40:43.063 --> 00:40:44.832
  • - CHARLES: BECAUSE, IF YOU GETWISHY-WASHY, YOU LOSE RESPECT,
  • 00:40:44.832 --> 00:40:47.067
  • WISHY-WASHY, YOU LOSE RESPECT,YOU LOSE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
  • 00:40:47.067 --> 00:40:47.835
  • YOU LOSE YOUR LEADERSHIP.IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE
  • 00:40:47.835 --> 00:40:49.203
  • IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RECONVINCED THAT SOMETHING IS
  • 00:40:49.203 --> 00:40:50.771
  • CONVINCED THAT SOMETHING ISCORRECT, IS BIBLICALLY TRUE, AND
  • 00:40:50.771 --> 00:40:52.640
  • CORRECT, IS BIBLICALLY TRUE, ANDIT'S WISE AND RIGHT-- AND IN
  • 00:40:52.640 --> 00:40:55.042
  • IT'S WISE AND RIGHT-- AND INTHIS DAY AND TIME, WHAT IS WISE
  • 00:40:55.042 --> 00:40:56.544
  • THIS DAY AND TIME, WHAT IS WISEAND WHAT IS RIGHT'S ALWAYS IN
  • 00:40:56.544 --> 00:40:57.678
  • AND WHAT IS RIGHT'S ALWAYS INPEOPLE'S MINDS-- ONCE YOU DECIDE
  • 00:40:57.678 --> 00:41:01.715
  • PEOPLE'S MINDS-- ONCE YOU DECIDETHAT AND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT'S
  • 00:41:01.715 --> 00:41:03.350
  • THAT AND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT'SWHERE YOU ARE AND THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:41:03.350 --> 00:41:05.052
  • WHERE YOU ARE AND THAT'S WHATYOU STAND FOR, THEY EITHER JOIN
  • 00:41:05.052 --> 00:41:06.887
  • YOU STAND FOR, THEY EITHER JOINYOU, OR THEY LEAVE, AND THAT'S
  • 00:41:06.887 --> 00:41:09.023
  • YOU, OR THEY LEAVE, AND THAT'SWHAT THEY DID TO JESUS.
  • 00:41:09.023 --> 00:41:12.726
  • WHAT THEY DID TO JESUS.SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE,
  • 00:41:12.726 --> 00:41:14.895
  • SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE,AND THERE'S A BIG SEPARATION
  • 00:41:14.895 --> 00:41:17.031
  • AND THERE'S A BIG SEPARATIONGOING ON, ON ONE HAND, AND, YET
  • 00:41:17.031 --> 00:41:18.499
  • GOING ON, ON ONE HAND, AND, YETLOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:41:18.499 --> 00:41:19.233
  • LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE AREGETTIN' SAVED, AND CHURCHES ARE
  • 00:41:19.233 --> 00:41:21.068
  • GETTIN' SAVED, AND CHURCHES AREGROWING, AND THEY'RE SPRINGIN'
  • 00:41:21.068 --> 00:41:22.469
  • GROWING, AND THEY'RE SPRINGIN'UP EVERYWHERE, AND SO I'M
  • 00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:23.904
  • UP EVERYWHERE, AND SO I'MENCOURAGED IN SPITE OF WHAT I
  • 00:41:23.904 --> 00:41:29.710
  • ENCOURAGED IN SPITE OF WHAT ISEE GOING ON.
  • 00:41:29.710 --> 00:41:30.945
  • SEE GOING ON.- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:41:30.945 --> 00:41:31.979
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL."LEGACY" IS A WORD THAT SOMETIME
  • 00:41:31.979 --> 00:41:32.913
  • "LEGACY" IS A WORD THAT SOMETIMEGETS THROWN AROUND WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:41:32.913 --> 00:41:34.848
  • GETS THROWN AROUND WHEN YOU'RELOOKING AT AS MUCH, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:41:34.848 --> 00:41:36.650
  • LOOKING AT AS MUCH, YOU KNOW,BEAUTIFUL GRAY HAIR AS YOU HAVE.
  • 00:41:36.650 --> 00:41:37.384
  • BEAUTIFUL GRAY HAIR AS YOU HAVE.I HOPE I HAVE THAT MUCH WHEN I'M
  • 00:41:37.384 --> 00:41:38.619
  • I HOPE I HAVE THAT MUCH WHEN I'MYOUR AGE.
  • 00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:39.720
  • YOUR AGE.- CHARLES: YOU'VE GOT-- YOU'RE
  • 00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:40.588
  • - CHARLES: YOU'VE GOT-- YOU'REDOIN' PRETTY WELL.
  • 00:41:40.588 --> 00:41:41.855
  • DOIN' PRETTY WELL.- MATT: MY DADDY HAD A LOT OF
  • 00:41:41.855 --> 00:41:43.457
  • - MATT: MY DADDY HAD A LOT OFHAIR WHEN HE PASSED AWAY, SO I'M
  • 00:41:43.457 --> 00:41:46.694
  • HAIR WHEN HE PASSED AWAY, SO I'MJUST KIND OF HOLDING ONTO THAT.
  • 00:41:46.694 --> 00:41:50.164
  • JUST KIND OF HOLDING ONTO THAT.ANYWAY, SO LEGACY IS A WORD THAT
  • 00:41:50.164 --> 00:41:51.432
  • ANYWAY, SO LEGACY IS A WORD THATSHOULD COME UP WITH SOMEONE OF
  • 00:41:51.432 --> 00:41:56.103
  • SHOULD COME UP WITH SOMEONE OFYOUR AGE.
  • 00:41:56.103 --> 00:41:59.406
  • YOUR AGE.TALK TO US ABOUT LEGACY,
  • 00:41:59.406 --> 00:42:00.841
  • TALK TO US ABOUT LEGACY,MEANING, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT
  • 00:42:00.841 --> 00:42:03.010
  • MEANING, WHAT DO YOU THINK ITIS, AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY
  • 00:42:03.010 --> 00:42:04.979
  • IS, AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAYTO OUR GENERATION AND BEYOND?
  • 00:42:04.979 --> 00:42:07.281
  • TO OUR GENERATION AND BEYOND?- CHARLES: WELL, I THINK YOUR
  • 00:42:07.281 --> 00:42:09.283
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I THINK YOURLEGACY IS THE LIFE THAT YOU'VE
  • 00:42:09.283 --> 00:42:11.986
  • LEGACY IS THE LIFE THAT YOU'VELIVED.
  • 00:42:11.986 --> 00:42:14.521
  • LIVED.IT CAN'T BE ONE PART OF IT, BUT
  • 00:42:14.521 --> 00:42:16.090
  • IT CAN'T BE ONE PART OF IT, BUTTHE LIFE THAT YOU'VE LIVED, AND,
  • 00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:19.426
  • THE LIFE THAT YOU'VE LIVED, AND,SECONDLY, WHAT DO YOU LEAVE
  • 00:42:19.426 --> 00:42:21.895
  • SECONDLY, WHAT DO YOU LEAVEBEHIND THAT'S WORTH SOMEBODY
  • 00:42:21.895 --> 00:42:23.631
  • BEHIND THAT'S WORTH SOMEBODYPICKIN' UP AND CARRYING ON?
  • 00:42:23.631 --> 00:42:26.533
  • PICKIN' UP AND CARRYING ON?WHAT DID YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU
  • 00:42:26.533 --> 00:42:28.702
  • WHAT DID YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUWANT OTHER PEOPLE TO BELIEVE?
  • 00:42:28.702 --> 00:42:30.604
  • WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO BELIEVE?AND WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED?
  • 00:42:30.604 --> 00:42:32.373
  • AND WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED?HOW DID YOU ACCOMPLISH IT?
  • 00:42:32.373 --> 00:42:35.409
  • HOW DID YOU ACCOMPLISH IT?WAS IT BY TRUSTING GOD AND
  • 00:42:35.409 --> 00:42:35.976
  • WAS IT BY TRUSTING GOD ANDBEING OBEDIENT TO HIM?
  • 00:42:35.976 --> 00:42:42.416
  • BEING OBEDIENT TO HIM?WERE YOU CONSISTENT IN YOUR
  • 00:42:42.416 --> 00:42:43.083
  • WERE YOU CONSISTENT IN YOURLIFE?
  • 00:42:43.083 --> 00:42:43.817
  • LIFE?I THINK THE WHOLE LEGACY IS NOT
  • 00:42:43.817 --> 00:42:45.486
  • I THINK THE WHOLE LEGACY IS NOTSOMETHING THAT YOU BUILD, PUT A
  • 00:42:45.486 --> 00:42:46.687
  • SOMETHING THAT YOU BUILD, PUT ANAME ON.
  • 00:42:46.687 --> 00:42:49.223
  • NAME ON.IT'S SOMETHING YOU LIVED, AND
  • 00:42:49.223 --> 00:42:52.493
  • IT'S SOMETHING YOU LIVED, ANDWHATEVER YOU WANNA LEAVE IN A
  • 00:42:52.493 --> 00:42:54.128
  • WHATEVER YOU WANNA LEAVE IN ALEGACY, YOU WANT IT TO BE LEFT
  • 00:42:54.128 --> 00:42:56.930
  • LEGACY, YOU WANT IT TO BE LEFTIN PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND IN THEIR
  • 00:42:56.930 --> 00:42:58.232
  • IN PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND IN THEIRMINDS, NOT WITH STONE.
  • 00:42:58.232 --> 00:42:59.233
  • MINDS, NOT WITH STONE.- LAURIE: WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:42:59.233 --> 00:43:00.501
  • - LAURIE: WELL, YOU KNOW,YOU'VE JUST DONE THAT WITH YOUR
  • 00:43:00.501 --> 00:43:02.202
  • YOU'VE JUST DONE THAT WITH YOURGRANDFATHER.
  • 00:43:02.202 --> 00:43:04.872
  • GRANDFATHER.I MEAN, WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID
  • 00:43:04.872 --> 00:43:05.539
  • I MEAN, WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAIDABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE
  • 00:43:05.539 --> 00:43:06.273
  • ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERERUNNIN' INTO A WALL, GOD'LL MAKE
  • 00:43:06.273 --> 00:43:06.707
  • RUNNIN' INTO A WALL, GOD'LL MAKEA HOLE FOR YA.
  • 00:43:06.707 --> 00:43:09.510
  • A HOLE FOR YA.I MEAN, THAT'LL NEVER LEAVE ME,
  • 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:10.210
  • I MEAN, THAT'LL NEVER LEAVE ME,AND MY KIDS ARE SITTIN' RIGHT
  • 00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:10.511
  • AND MY KIDS ARE SITTIN' RIGHTHERE.
  • 00:43:10.511 --> 00:43:12.279
  • I PRAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU OBEY
  • 00:43:14.014 --> 00:43:14.915
  • I PRAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU OBEYGOD AND LEAVE THE CONSEQUENCES
  • 00:43:14.915 --> 00:43:17.518
  • YOU KNOW, I WANT MY CHILDREN TO
  • 00:43:18.819 --> 00:43:19.520
  • YOU KNOW, I WANT MY CHILDREN TOGRASP ONTO THAT AND TAKE IT ON
  • 00:43:19.520 --> 00:43:21.055
  • GRASP ONTO THAT AND TAKE IT ONINTO THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR
  • 00:43:21.055 --> 00:43:24.858
  • INTO THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIRCHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
  • 00:43:24.858 --> 00:43:25.759
  • CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.BUT I THINK THAT'S-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:43:25.759 --> 00:43:27.294
  • BUT I THINK THAT'S-- YOU KNOW,AND I THINK FINISHING WELL IS SO
  • 00:43:27.294 --> 00:43:30.497
  • AND I THINK FINISHING WELL IS SOIMPORTANT, AND I THINK-- WELL, I
  • 00:43:30.497 --> 00:43:33.367
  • IMPORTANT, AND I THINK-- WELL, IKNOW THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN
  • 00:43:33.367 --> 00:43:37.571
  • KNOW THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE INRETIRING.
  • 00:43:37.571 --> 00:43:38.439
  • RETIRING.- CHARLES: WELL, THE BIBLE
  • 00:43:38.439 --> 00:43:39.807
  • - CHARLES: WELL, THE BIBLEDOESN'T TEACH IT EXCEPT FOR THE
  • 00:43:39.807 --> 00:43:40.674
  • DOESN'T TEACH IT EXCEPT FOR THEPRIEST, AFTER 25 YEARS, SO BIBLE
  • 00:43:40.674 --> 00:43:42.876
  • PRIEST, AFTER 25 YEARS, SO BIBLEDOESN'T TEACH IT.
  • 00:43:42.876 --> 00:43:44.211
  • DOESN'T TEACH IT.I THINK YOU'LL LIVE LONGER, AND
  • 00:43:44.211 --> 00:43:46.046
  • I THINK YOU'LL LIVE LONGER, ANDTHIS IS A LITTLE SAYING I'VE
  • 00:43:46.046 --> 00:43:47.147
  • THIS IS A LITTLE SAYING I'VEPICKED UP FROM SOMEWHERE, AND
  • 00:43:47.147 --> 00:43:48.515
  • PICKED UP FROM SOMEWHERE, ANDIT'S REAL PRECIOUS TO ME.
  • 00:43:48.515 --> 00:43:52.986
  • IT'S REAL PRECIOUS TO ME.YOU'LL BE HAPPY AND SUCCESSFUL
  • 00:43:52.986 --> 00:43:55.723
  • YOU'LL BE HAPPY AND SUCCESSFULAS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL PLANNING
  • 00:43:55.723 --> 00:43:57.558
  • AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL PLANNINGFOR TOMORROW: YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:43:57.558 --> 00:44:01.328
  • FOR TOMORROW: YOU'VE GOTSOMETHIN' GOIN' FOR TOMORROW.
  • 00:44:01.328 --> 00:44:03.263
  • SOMETHIN' GOIN' FOR TOMORROW.THIS IS WHERE I'VE GOT A MONTH'S
  • 00:44:03.263 --> 00:44:05.632
  • THIS IS WHERE I'VE GOT A MONTH'SPHOTOGRAPHY TRIP COMIN' UP IN A
  • 00:44:05.632 --> 00:44:08.435
  • PHOTOGRAPHY TRIP COMIN' UP IN ACOUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I'VE ALWAYS
  • 00:44:08.435 --> 00:44:09.803
  • COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I'VE ALWAYSGOT SOMETHIN' PLANNED, AND I GOT
  • 00:44:09.803 --> 00:44:12.039
  • GOT SOMETHIN' PLANNED, AND I GOTANOTHER ONE PLANNED AFTER THAT.
  • 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:13.407
  • ANOTHER ONE PLANNED AFTER THAT.I'VE FOUND SOME OTHER PLACE THAT
  • 00:44:13.407 --> 00:44:14.408
  • I'VE FOUND SOME OTHER PLACE THATI WANNA GO, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M
  • 00:44:14.408 --> 00:44:16.643
  • I WANNA GO, SO, YOU KNOW, I'MHAPPY DOING WHAT I DO.
  • 00:44:16.643 --> 00:44:18.979
  • HAPPY DOING WHAT I DO.I WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
  • 00:44:18.979 --> 00:44:20.414
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE IT.
  • 00:45:20.307 --> 00:45:22.276
  • - LAURIE: I LOVE IT.- MATT: WHAT'S THE FAVORITE
  • 00:45:22.276 --> 00:45:23.777
  • - MATT: WHAT'S THE FAVORITEPICTURE YOU'VE EVER TAKEN?
  • 00:45:23.777 --> 00:45:24.444
  • PICTURE YOU'VE EVER TAKEN?- CHARLES: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:45:24.444 --> 00:45:25.546
  • - CHARLES: OH, MY GOODNESS.- MATT: OR TRIP.
  • 00:45:25.546 --> 00:45:26.146
  • - MATT: OR TRIP.I'LL SAY TRIP BECAUSE--
  • 00:45:26.146 --> 00:45:29.983
  • I'LL SAY TRIP BECAUSE--- CHARLES: WELL, I WOULD SAY
  • 00:45:29.983 --> 00:45:31.919
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I WOULD SAYALASKA IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE
  • 00:45:31.919 --> 00:45:34.822
  • ALASKA IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THEVERY TOP, AND I THINK ABOUT ALL
  • 00:45:34.822 --> 00:45:35.789
  • VERY TOP, AND I THINK ABOUT ALLTHE PLACES I'VE BEEN AND--
  • 00:45:35.789 --> 00:45:38.358
  • THE PLACES I'VE BEEN AND--- MATT: AFRICA, THE ANIMALS.
  • 00:45:38.358 --> 00:45:40.127
  • - MATT: AFRICA, THE ANIMALS.I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF THOSE
  • 00:45:40.127 --> 00:45:41.094
  • I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF THOSEPHOTOS BACK IN--
  • 00:45:41.094 --> 00:45:41.829
  • PHOTOS BACK IN--- LAURIE: DO YOU SHARE THAT ON
  • 00:45:41.829 --> 00:45:42.996
  • - LAURIE: DO YOU SHARE THAT ONYOUR TELEVISION PROGRAM ABOUT
  • 00:45:42.996 --> 00:45:44.264
  • YOUR TELEVISION PROGRAM ABOUTYOUR PHOTOGRAPHY AND STUFF?
  • 00:45:44.264 --> 00:45:44.998
  • YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY AND STUFF?- MATT: WE'RE GOING TO ON THIS
  • 00:45:44.998 --> 00:45:45.365
  • - MATT: WE'RE GOING TO ON THISONE.
  • 00:45:45.365 --> 00:45:46.266
  • ONE.- LAURIE: I KNOW, WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:45:46.266 --> 00:45:47.167
  • - LAURIE: I KNOW, WE'RE GONNADELVE INTO IT.
  • 00:45:47.167 --> 00:45:48.535
  • DELVE INTO IT.- MATT: AS WE'RE TALKING, THERE
  • 00:45:48.535 --> 00:45:50.237
  • - MATT: AS WE'RE TALKING, THEREARE PICTURES NOW ON THE SCREEN,
  • 00:45:50.237 --> 00:45:51.839
  • ARE PICTURES NOW ON THE SCREEN,AND SO I CAN'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW
  • 00:45:51.839 --> 00:45:53.307
  • AND SO I CAN'T SEE IT RIGHT NOWBUT--
  • 00:45:53.307 --> 00:45:54.208
  • BUT--- CHARLES: HERE'S WHAT I DO.
  • 00:45:54.208 --> 00:45:55.742
  • - CHARLES: HERE'S WHAT I DO.AFTER I'M GONE FOR USUALLY THREE
  • 00:45:55.742 --> 00:45:56.910
  • AFTER I'M GONE FOR USUALLY THREEWEEKS SOMEWHERE, I COME BACK AND
  • 00:45:56.910 --> 00:45:59.613
  • WEEKS SOMEWHERE, I COME BACK ANDI'LL PUT ONE OF THE PHOTOS ON
  • 00:45:59.613 --> 00:46:02.049
  • I'LL PUT ONE OF THE PHOTOS ONTHE SCREEN.
  • 00:46:02.049 --> 00:46:03.450
  • THE SCREEN.WELL, THE LAST ONE I PUT ON THE
  • 00:46:03.450 --> 00:46:06.854
  • WELL, THE LAST ONE I PUT ON THESCREEN WAS THE MOON ECLIPSE, AND
  • 00:46:06.854 --> 00:46:09.523
  • SCREEN WAS THE MOON ECLIPSE, ANDSO I THOUGHT, "WELL, MAYBE
  • 00:46:09.523 --> 00:46:11.258
  • SO I THOUGHT, "WELL, MAYBETHEY'LL LIKE THAT," AND THEY
  • 00:46:11.258 --> 00:46:12.726
  • THEY'LL LIKE THAT," AND THEYALWAYS LIKE THE PHOTOS, SO I
  • 00:46:12.726 --> 00:46:14.828
  • ALWAYS LIKE THE PHOTOS, SO IHAVE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE PHASES
  • 00:46:14.828 --> 00:46:17.831
  • HAVE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE PHASESTO THE VERY END, AND SO I
  • 00:46:17.831 --> 00:46:18.799
  • TO THE VERY END, AND SO ITHOUGHT, "I'M NOT TOO SURE
  • 00:46:18.799 --> 00:46:20.834
  • THOUGHT, "I'M NOT TOO SURETHEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT."
  • 00:46:20.834 --> 00:46:24.538
  • THEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT."WE SOLD 400-AND-SOME PHOTOS
  • 00:46:24.538 --> 00:46:25.739
  • WE SOLD 400-AND-SOME PHOTOSIN THAT BOOKSTORE.
  • 00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:27.274
  • IN THAT BOOKSTORE.- LAURIE: DID YOU, REALLY?
  • 00:46:27.274 --> 00:46:28.141
  • - LAURIE: DID YOU, REALLY?- CHARLES: YEAH, AND SO I
  • 00:46:28.141 --> 00:46:29.276
  • - CHARLES: YEAH, AND SO IJUST-- THE BIRD SHOTS,
  • 00:46:29.276 --> 00:46:31.211
  • JUST-- THE BIRD SHOTS,BUILDINGS, I MEAN, EVERYTHING,
  • 00:46:31.211 --> 00:46:33.213
  • BUILDINGS, I MEAN, EVERYTHING,AND I JUST PUT 'EM UP THERE AND
  • 00:46:33.213 --> 00:46:34.548
  • AND I JUST PUT 'EM UP THERE ANDSHOW 'EM, AND PEOPLE SAY, "WELL,
  • 00:46:34.548 --> 00:46:36.683
  • SHOW 'EM, AND PEOPLE SAY, "WELL,WE'RE GRATEFUL BECAUSE WE
  • 00:46:36.683 --> 00:46:38.552
  • WE'RE GRATEFUL BECAUSE WEWOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO SOME
  • 00:46:38.552 --> 00:46:39.686
  • WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO SOMEOF THOSE PLACES YOU'VE BEEN, SO
  • 00:46:39.686 --> 00:46:40.888
  • OF THOSE PLACES YOU'VE BEEN, SOWE'RE HAPPY JUST SEEING WHAT
  • 00:46:40.888 --> 00:46:43.390
  • WE'RE HAPPY JUST SEEING WHATYOU'VE SEEN."
  • 00:46:43.390 --> 00:46:44.558
  • YOU'VE SEEN."AND SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE
  • 00:46:44.558 --> 00:46:45.225
  • AND SO EVERYTHING YOU SEEAROUND HERE-- AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:46:45.225 --> 00:46:47.060
  • AROUND HERE-- AND, YOU KNOW,THAT'S JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING,
  • 00:46:47.060 --> 00:46:47.961
  • THAT'S JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING,THE TETONS, AND SO I
  • 00:46:47.961 --> 00:46:50.764
  • THE TETONS, AND SO ILOVE SHOWING 'EM.
  • 00:46:50.764 --> 00:46:52.833
  • LOVE SHOWING 'EM.THEY LOVE ME SHOWING THEM, AND
  • 00:46:52.833 --> 00:46:53.700
  • THEY LOVE ME SHOWING THEM, ANDTHEY BUY THEM.
  • 00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:56.169
  • THEY BUY THEM.I MEAN, WE SOLD-- LOTS OF
  • 00:46:56.169 --> 00:46:58.138
  • I MEAN, WE SOLD-- LOTS OFARTISTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
  • 00:46:58.138 --> 00:46:59.873
  • ARTISTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVEPEOPLE BUY AS MANY PHOTOS WE DO
  • 00:46:59.873 --> 00:47:01.541
  • PEOPLE BUY AS MANY PHOTOS WE DOON SUNDAY.
  • 00:47:01.541 --> 00:47:02.276
  • ON SUNDAY.- LAURIE: WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE
  • 00:47:02.276 --> 00:47:03.377
  • - LAURIE: WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITECAMERA?
  • 00:47:03.377 --> 00:47:04.077
  • CAMERA?- CHARLES: WELL, MY FAVORITE
  • 00:47:04.077 --> 00:47:05.312
  • - CHARLES: WELL, MY FAVORITECAMERA, FOR A LONG TIME, WAS A
  • 00:47:05.312 --> 00:47:08.215
  • CAMERA, FOR A LONG TIME, WAS AHASSELBLAD, AND NOW FUJI HAS
  • 00:47:08.215 --> 00:47:09.349
  • HASSELBLAD, AND NOW FUJI HASCOME OUT WITH THIS NEW
  • 00:47:09.349 --> 00:47:12.419
  • COME OUT WITH THIS NEW15-MEGAPIXEL CAMERA THAT, RIGHT
  • 00:47:12.419 --> 00:47:14.154
  • 15-MEGAPIXEL CAMERA THAT, RIGHTNOW, THAT'S MY FAVORITE BUT--
  • 00:47:14.154 --> 00:47:16.323
  • NOW, THAT'S MY FAVORITE BUT--AND A LEICA, I'VE ALWAYS HAD
  • 00:47:16.323 --> 00:47:18.725
  • AND A LEICA, I'VE ALWAYS HADLEICA, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT
  • 00:47:18.725 --> 00:47:20.260
  • LEICA, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORTOF GO FROM-- I ALWAYS TAKE
  • 00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:22.029
  • OF GO FROM-- I ALWAYS TAKEBLACK AND WHITE, AND I ALWAYS
  • 00:47:22.029 --> 00:47:23.964
  • BLACK AND WHITE, AND I ALWAYSTAKE COLOR BECAUSE SOMETIMES--
  • 00:47:23.964 --> 00:47:25.565
  • TAKE COLOR BECAUSE SOMETIMES--IF YOU WALKED IN OUR FOYER,
  • 00:47:25.565 --> 00:47:27.567
  • IF YOU WALKED IN OUR FOYER,THERE'S A BIG FOUR-BY-SIX, A
  • 00:47:27.567 --> 00:47:30.904
  • THERE'S A BIG FOUR-BY-SIX, APICTURE OF A COVERED BRIDGE.
  • 00:47:30.904 --> 00:47:32.673
  • PICTURE OF A COVERED BRIDGE.WELL, I HAD MADE A LIST OF ALL
  • 00:47:32.673 --> 00:47:35.542
  • WELL, I HAD MADE A LIST OF ALLTHE COVERED BRIDGES IN VERMONT,
  • 00:47:35.542 --> 00:47:39.112
  • THE COVERED BRIDGES IN VERMONT,SO I WENT UP THERE TO JUST
  • 00:47:39.112 --> 00:47:39.880
  • SO I WENT UP THERE TO JUSTTO SHOOT COVERED BRIDGES,
  • 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:40.914
  • TO SHOOT COVERED BRIDGES,AND WE WERE DRIVING ALONG,
  • 00:47:40.914 --> 00:47:41.648
  • AND WE WERE DRIVING ALONG,AND I HAPPENED TO SEE THIS
  • 00:47:41.648 --> 00:47:43.884
  • AND I HAPPENED TO SEE THISONE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE--
  • 00:47:43.884 --> 00:47:45.052
  • ONE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE--AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE
  • 00:47:45.052 --> 00:47:49.289
  • AND IT TURNED OUT TO BETHE BEST ONE THAT DIDN'T--
  • 00:47:49.289 --> 00:47:49.923
  • THE BEST ONE THAT DIDN'T--IT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED,
  • 00:47:49.923 --> 00:47:51.291
  • IT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED,AND I HAD TO WALK IN SNOW
  • 00:47:51.291 --> 00:47:51.925
  • AND I HAD TO WALK IN SNOWUP TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE TO
  • 00:47:51.925 --> 00:47:52.893
  • UP TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE TOGET TO IT.
  • 00:47:52.893 --> 00:47:55.295
  • GET TO IT.SO I'M THE MOST EXCITED,
  • 00:47:55.295 --> 00:47:57.130
  • SO I'M THE MOST EXCITED,BESIDES, PREACHING WITH A CAMERA
  • 00:47:57.130 --> 00:47:59.099
  • BESIDES, PREACHING WITH A CAMERAIN MY HAND.
  • 00:47:59.099 --> 00:47:59.666
  • IN MY HAND.I SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:47:59.666 --> 00:48:00.834
  • I SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT?IF I DIE SOMEWHERE, I WANNA HAVE
  • 00:48:00.834 --> 00:48:02.369
  • IF I DIE SOMEWHERE, I WANNA HAVETHE BIBLE IN MY RIGHT HAND, THE
  • 00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:02.903
  • THE BIBLE IN MY RIGHT HAND, THECAMERA IN THE LEFT."
  • 00:48:02.903 --> 00:48:03.804
  • CAMERA IN THE LEFT."I'LL BE HAPPY.
  • 00:48:03.804 --> 00:48:05.205
  • I'LL BE HAPPY.- MATT: HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN A
  • 00:48:05.205 --> 00:48:06.606
  • - MATT: HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN APICTURE OF A BLOOD MOON?
  • 00:48:06.606 --> 00:48:08.108
  • PICTURE OF A BLOOD MOON?- CHARLES: YES.
  • 00:48:08.108 --> 00:48:08.608
  • - CHARLES: YES.- MATT: YOU HAVE?
  • 00:48:08.608 --> 00:48:09.810
  • - MATT: YOU HAVE?- CHARLES: YES, I HAVE.
  • 00:48:09.810 --> 00:48:10.510
  • - CHARLES: YES, I HAVE.- MATT: DID IT TURN OUT GOOD?
  • 00:48:10.510 --> 00:48:11.478
  • - MATT: DID IT TURN OUT GOOD?- CHARLES: NOT AS GOOD AS I'D
  • 00:48:11.478 --> 00:48:12.512
  • - CHARLES: NOT AS GOOD AS I'DLIKE TO HAVE HAD.
  • 00:48:12.512 --> 00:48:13.313
  • LIKE TO HAVE HAD.- MATT: COULD YOU PHOTOSHOP IT
  • 00:48:13.313 --> 00:48:13.947
  • - MATT: COULD YOU PHOTOSHOP ITAND MAKE IT BETTER?
  • 00:48:13.947 --> 00:48:15.649
  • AND MAKE IT BETTER?- CHARLES: WELL, THEN THAT'S
  • 00:48:15.649 --> 00:48:16.583
  • - CHARLES: WELL, THEN THAT'SFUDGING.
  • 00:48:16.583 --> 00:48:17.150
  • FUDGING.- LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:48:17.150 --> 00:48:19.453
  • - LAURIE: YES.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:48:19.453 --> 00:48:21.188
  • [LAUGHTER]NO FUDGE IN THE PHOTO.
  • 00:48:21.188 --> 00:48:22.556
  • NO FUDGE IN THE PHOTO.- MATT: WAIT, WAIT, PHOTOSHOP
  • 00:48:22.556 --> 00:48:23.490
  • - MATT: WAIT, WAIT, PHOTOSHOPIS FUDGING-- WHAT?
  • 00:48:23.490 --> 00:48:23.991
  • IS FUDGING-- WHAT?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:48:23.991 --> 00:48:25.058
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: NOT ALWAYS.
  • 00:48:25.058 --> 00:48:25.525
  • - CHARLES: NOT ALWAYS.IT DEPENDS ON--
  • 00:48:25.525 --> 00:48:26.526
  • IT DEPENDS ON--- MATT: I FEEL CONVICTION RIGHT
  • 00:48:26.526 --> 00:48:27.327
  • - MATT: I FEEL CONVICTION RIGHTNOW.
  • 00:48:27.327 --> 00:48:29.229
  • NOW.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:48:29.229 --> 00:48:30.297
  • [LAUGHTER]- CHARLES: NO, I USE PHOTOSHOP,
  • 00:48:30.297 --> 00:48:32.566
  • - CHARLES: NO, I USE PHOTOSHOP,BUT I WANT THINGS AS REAL AS I
  • 00:48:32.566 --> 00:48:34.568
  • BUT I WANT THINGS AS REAL AS ICAN GET 'EM.
  • 00:48:34.568 --> 00:48:35.936
  • CAN GET 'EM.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:48:35.936 --> 00:48:36.703
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: I LIKE, JUST, THINGS TO
  • 00:48:36.703 --> 00:48:37.471
  • - MATT: I LIKE, JUST, THINGS TOLOOK THE BEST SO, YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:48:37.471 --> 00:48:39.806
  • LOOK THE BEST SO, YOU KNOW, IDON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONVICTION
  • 00:48:39.806 --> 00:48:41.441
  • DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONVICTIONWHEN IT COMES TO PHOTOSHOP.
  • 00:48:41.441 --> 00:48:43.243
  • WHEN IT COMES TO PHOTOSHOP.I KIND OF-- I LIKE IT.
  • 00:48:43.243 --> 00:48:46.313
  • I KIND OF-- I LIKE IT.OKAY, WHERE WILL YOU GET YOUR
  • 00:48:46.313 --> 00:48:50.017
  • OKAY, WHERE WILL YOU GET YOURTHEME FOR THIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?
  • 00:48:50.017 --> 00:48:51.318
  • THEME FOR THIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?- CHARLES: I ALREADY HAVE IT.
  • 00:48:51.318 --> 00:48:52.819
  • - CHARLES: I ALREADY HAVE IT.- MATT: OKAY, WHERE DID YOU GET
  • 00:48:52.819 --> 00:48:53.387
  • - MATT: OKAY, WHERE DID YOU GETTHIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?
  • 00:48:53.387 --> 00:48:55.555
  • THIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?- CHARLES: WELL, I WAS THINKIN'
  • 00:48:55.555 --> 00:48:57.257
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I WAS THINKIN'ABOUT JUST THINGS THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:48:57.257 --> 00:48:59.092
  • ABOUT JUST THINGS THAT PEOPLEARE GOING THROUGH, AND SO I WAS
  • 00:48:59.092 --> 00:49:00.394
  • ARE GOING THROUGH, AND SO I WASREADING IN GALATIANS, AND I
  • 00:49:00.394 --> 00:49:02.829
  • READING IN GALATIANS, AND ITHOUGHT, YOU KNOW, "LOVE, JOY,
  • 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:05.065
  • THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, "LOVE, JOY,AND PEACE," AND I HAD THREE MORE
  • 00:49:05.065 --> 00:49:08.268
  • AND PEACE," AND I HAD THREE MORESUNDAYS TO PREACH.
  • 00:49:08.268 --> 00:49:09.336
  • SUNDAYS TO PREACH.I SAID, "I THINK THAT'D BE THREE
  • 00:49:09.336 --> 00:49:11.805
  • I SAID, "I THINK THAT'D BE THREEGOOD CHOICES, LOVE, JOY, AND
  • 00:49:11.805 --> 00:49:13.540
  • GOOD CHOICES, LOVE, JOY, ANDPEACE," SO "PEACE" IS COMING
  • 00:49:13.540 --> 00:49:15.042
  • PEACE," SO "PEACE" IS COMINGSUNDAY, AND I'M EXCITED, AND
  • 00:49:15.042 --> 00:49:17.944
  • SUNDAY, AND I'M EXCITED, ANDSO--
  • 00:49:17.944 --> 00:49:18.678
  • SO--- LAURIE: HOW OFTEN ARE YOU
  • 00:49:18.678 --> 00:49:19.179
  • - LAURIE: HOW OFTEN ARE YOUPREACHING?
  • 00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:20.714
  • PREACHING?- CHARLES: WELL, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:49:20.714 --> 00:49:22.916
  • - CHARLES: WELL, I'VE BEENPREACHING EVERY SUNDAY, TWICE,
  • 00:49:22.916 --> 00:49:23.583
  • PREACHING EVERY SUNDAY, TWICE,AND I'M HAPPY DOING IT EVERY
  • 00:49:23.583 --> 00:49:24.918
  • AND I'M HAPPY DOING IT EVERYWEEK.
  • 00:49:24.918 --> 00:49:27.254
  • WEEK.I HAVE A WONDERFUL, VERY
  • 00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:29.790
  • I HAVE A WONDERFUL, VERYEFFECTIVE ASSOCIATE PASTOR, AND
  • 00:49:29.790 --> 00:49:32.359
  • EFFECTIVE ASSOCIATE PASTOR, ANDHE WAS PREACHING TWO TIMES, AND
  • 00:49:32.359 --> 00:49:33.860
  • HE WAS PREACHING TWO TIMES, ANDME, FOUR, FOR A WHILE, AND THEN
  • 00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:35.962
  • ME, FOUR, FOR A WHILE, AND THENHE SAID, "LOOK, WHY DON'T YOU
  • 00:49:35.962 --> 00:49:37.464
  • HE SAID, "LOOK, WHY DON'T YOUJUST PREACH TILL YOU LEAVE,"
  • 00:49:37.464 --> 00:49:38.098
  • JUST PREACH TILL YOU LEAVE,"BECAUSE HE PREACHES EVERY
  • 00:49:38.098 --> 00:49:39.499
  • BECAUSE HE PREACHES EVERYWEDNESDAY NIGHT.
  • 00:49:39.499 --> 00:49:41.501
  • WEDNESDAY NIGHT.I THOUGHT, "OKAY, I'LL DO THAT,"
  • 00:49:41.501 --> 00:49:43.070
  • I THOUGHT, "OKAY, I'LL DO THAT,"BUT I'VE BEEN PREACHING EVERY
  • 00:49:43.070 --> 00:49:45.672
  • BUT I'VE BEEN PREACHING EVERYSUNDAY, AND I'M HAPPY AS A LARK,
  • 00:49:45.672 --> 00:49:46.273
  • SUNDAY, AND I'M HAPPY AS A LARK,AND I COULD KEEP GOIN'.
  • 00:49:46.273 --> 00:49:47.741
  • AND I COULD KEEP GOIN'.- LAURIE: SO THOSE TIMES THAT
  • 00:49:47.741 --> 00:49:49.042
  • - LAURIE: SO THOSE TIMES THATYOU GET AWAY, IS THAT REAL
  • 00:49:49.042 --> 00:49:50.444
  • YOU GET AWAY, IS THAT REALIMPORTANT FOR YOU?
  • 00:49:50.444 --> 00:49:51.511
  • IMPORTANT FOR YOU?- CHARLES: VERY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:49:51.511 --> 00:49:52.612
  • - CHARLES: VERY IMPORTANT.YEAH, IN OTHER WORDS, I'M HIGHLY
  • 00:49:52.612 --> 00:49:55.182
  • YEAH, IN OTHER WORDS, I'M HIGHLYMOTIVATED BECAUSE I'VE GOT
  • 00:49:55.182 --> 00:49:56.716
  • MOTIVATED BECAUSE I'VE GOTSOMETHING I'M LOOKIN' FORWARD TO
  • 00:49:56.716 --> 00:49:58.185
  • SOMETHING I'M LOOKIN' FORWARD TOTHAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT-- LEAVE
  • 00:49:58.185 --> 00:49:59.820
  • THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT-- LEAVETOWN, LEAVE EVERYTHING, CARRY
  • 00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:01.488
  • TOWN, LEAVE EVERYTHING, CARRYTHE BIBLE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S
  • 00:50:01.488 --> 00:50:02.556
  • THE BIBLE WITH ME, BUT THAT'SALL.
  • 00:50:02.556 --> 00:50:03.757
  • ALL.I DON'T THINK ABOUT CHURCH,
  • 00:50:03.757 --> 00:50:04.624
  • I DON'T THINK ABOUT CHURCH,ANYTHING ELSE.
  • 00:50:04.624 --> 00:50:06.560
  • ANYTHING ELSE.I JUST THINK ABOUT "WHAT CAN I
  • 00:50:06.560 --> 00:50:08.628
  • I JUST THINK ABOUT "WHAT CAN ICAPTURE THAT SATISFIES ME AND I
  • 00:50:08.628 --> 00:50:10.163
  • CAPTURE THAT SATISFIES ME AND ITRUST IT'LL SATISFY SOMEBODY
  • 00:50:10.163 --> 00:50:11.098
  • TRUST IT'LL SATISFY SOMEBODYELSE?"
  • 00:50:11.098 --> 00:50:12.265
  • ELSE?"- LAURIE: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:50:12.265 --> 00:50:14.234
  • - LAURIE: BEAUTIFUL.- MATT: WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF
  • 00:50:14.234 --> 00:50:16.703
  • - MATT: WE HAVE BEEN KIND OFTALKING ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:50:16.703 --> 00:50:18.738
  • TALKING ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL,JUST THE LIFE, LEGACY, AND ALL
  • 00:50:18.738 --> 00:50:21.341
  • JUST THE LIFE, LEGACY, AND ALLOF THAT, WITH CHARLES STANLEY,
  • 00:50:21.341 --> 00:50:23.610
  • OF THAT, WITH CHARLES STANLEY,AND THE THEME THAT WE KIND OF
  • 00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:26.480
  • AND THE THEME THAT WE KIND OFFOUND WAS KIND OF A LIFE LESSON,
  • 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:27.881
  • FOUND WAS KIND OF A LIFE LESSON,"OBEY GOD.
  • 00:50:27.881 --> 00:50:29.449
  • "OBEY GOD.LEAVE ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO
  • 00:50:29.449 --> 00:50:30.450
  • LEAVE ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES TOHIM."
  • 00:50:30.450 --> 00:50:31.118
  • HIM."- CHARLES: "CONSEQUENCES."
  • 00:50:31.118 --> 00:50:32.853
  • - CHARLES: "CONSEQUENCES."- MATT: "CONSEQUENCES."
  • 00:50:32.853 --> 00:50:33.420
  • - MATT: "CONSEQUENCES."WHY DO I KEEP SAYING,
  • 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:33.887
  • WHY DO I KEEP SAYING,"CIRCUMSTANCE"?
  • 00:50:33.887 --> 00:50:34.387
  • "CIRCUMSTANCE"?SORRY.
  • 00:50:34.387 --> 00:50:35.021
  • SORRY.- LAURIE: JUST SPELLED IT
  • 00:50:35.021 --> 00:50:35.322
  • - LAURIE: JUST SPELLED ITWRONG.
  • 00:50:35.322 --> 00:50:35.956
  • WRONG.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:50:35.956 --> 00:50:36.923
  • [LAUGHTER]- MATT: I KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW
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  • - MATT: I KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOWTO SPELL, BUT I--
  • 00:50:37.457 --> 00:50:38.158
  • TO SPELL, BUT I--- CHARLES: "CIRCUMSTANCE" IS
  • 00:50:38.158 --> 00:50:38.892
  • - CHARLES: "CIRCUMSTANCE" ISONE THING.
  • 00:50:38.892 --> 00:50:39.860
  • ONE THING."CONSEQUENCE" IS-- PUTS A PUNCH
  • 00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:40.494
  • "CONSEQUENCE" IS-- PUTS A PUNCHTO IT.
  • 00:50:40.494 --> 00:50:40.961
  • TO IT.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:50:40.961 --> 00:50:41.895
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- CHARLES: WHATEVER THE
  • 00:50:41.895 --> 00:50:42.963
  • - CHARLES: WHATEVER THECONSEQUENCE IS GONNA BE.
  • 00:50:42.963 --> 00:50:44.431
  • CONSEQUENCE IS GONNA BE.- MATT: OKAY, "CIRCUMSTANCE"
  • 00:50:44.431 --> 00:50:45.298
  • - MATT: OKAY, "CIRCUMSTANCE"AND "CONSEQUENCE" ARE SIMILAR,
  • 00:50:45.298 --> 00:50:46.533
  • AND "CONSEQUENCE" ARE SIMILAR,BUT "CONSEQUENCE" IS BETTER.
  • 00:50:46.533 --> 00:50:47.234
  • BUT "CONSEQUENCE" IS BETTER.- LAURIE: UH-UH.
  • 00:50:47.234 --> 00:50:47.767
  • - LAURIE: UH-UH.- MATT: "OBEY GOD.
  • 00:50:47.767 --> 00:50:49.336
  • - MATT: "OBEY GOD.LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO
  • 00:50:49.336 --> 00:50:52.939
  • LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TOHIM."
  • 00:50:52.939 --> 00:50:53.507
  • HIM."THAT IS YOUR LIFE IN A
  • 00:50:53.507 --> 00:50:54.040
  • THAT IS YOUR LIFE IN ANUTSHELL, KIND OF?
  • 00:50:54.040 --> 00:50:56.076
  • NUTSHELL, KIND OF?- CHARLES: YES.
  • 00:50:56.076 --> 00:50:57.577
  • - CHARLES: YES.- MATT: OKAY, GIVE ME YOUR,
  • 00:50:57.577 --> 00:50:59.112
  • - MATT: OKAY, GIVE ME YOUR,KIND OF, FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT.
  • 00:50:59.112 --> 00:51:00.780
  • KIND OF, FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT.IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DON'T YOU
  • 00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:04.718
  • IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DON'T YOUMAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW-- YOU DO
  • 00:51:04.718 --> 00:51:07.821
  • MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW-- YOU DOKNOW THAT'S YOUR CAMERA RIGHT
  • 00:51:07.821 --> 00:51:08.288
  • KNOW THAT'S YOUR CAMERA RIGHTTHERE?
  • 00:51:08.288 --> 00:51:09.022
  • THERE?YOU'VE DONE TV FOR A LITTLE BIT,
  • 00:51:09.022 --> 00:51:09.322
  • YOU'VE DONE TV FOR A LITTLE BIT,RIGHT?
  • 00:51:09.322 --> 00:51:10.824
  • RIGHT?[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW YOUR
  • 00:51:12.626 --> 00:51:13.326
  • YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW YOURCAMERA'S RIGHT THERE?
  • 00:51:13.326 --> 00:51:13.693
  • CAMERA'S RIGHT THERE?[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:51:13.693 --> 00:51:14.594
  • [LAUGHTER]BUT IF YOU WOULD MAYBE EVEN,
  • 00:51:14.594 --> 00:51:16.229
  • BUT IF YOU WOULD MAYBE EVEN,KIND OF, DIRECT THESE KIND OF
  • 00:51:16.229 --> 00:51:18.732
  • KIND OF, DIRECT THESE KIND OFFINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT, EVEN TO
  • 00:51:18.732 --> 00:51:20.834
  • FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT, EVEN TOTHE VIEWING AUDIENCE THAT NEEDS
  • 00:51:20.834 --> 00:51:23.236
  • THE VIEWING AUDIENCE THAT NEEDSTO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THAT
  • 00:51:23.236 --> 00:51:25.338
  • TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THATIS, AND NOW THAT WE'VE COVERED
  • 00:51:25.338 --> 00:51:28.341
  • IS, AND NOW THAT WE'VE COVEREDSOME PRETTY UNIQUELY DIFFICULT
  • 00:51:28.341 --> 00:51:32.112
  • SOME PRETTY UNIQUELY DIFFICULTTIMES IN YOUR LIFE, GREAT TIMES
  • 00:51:32.112 --> 00:51:33.313
  • TIMES IN YOUR LIFE, GREAT TIMESAND DIFFICULT TIMES, YOUR
  • 00:51:33.313 --> 00:51:37.284
  • AND DIFFICULT TIMES, YOURPOSITION TO REALLY SPEAK ON THIS
  • 00:51:37.284 --> 00:51:40.287
  • POSITION TO REALLY SPEAK ON THISSUBJECT, "OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL
  • 00:51:40.287 --> 00:51:41.888
  • SUBJECT, "OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALLTHE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM," WOULD
  • 00:51:41.888 --> 00:51:43.056
  • THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM," WOULDYOU DO THAT TO OUR AUDIENCE?
  • 00:51:43.056 --> 00:51:44.024
  • YOU DO THAT TO OUR AUDIENCE?- LAURIE: AND THEN PRAY FOR
  • 00:51:44.024 --> 00:51:44.691
  • - LAURIE: AND THEN PRAY FORPEOPLE.
  • 00:51:44.691 --> 00:51:45.625
  • PEOPLE.- MATT: AND THEN I'D LOVE FOR
  • 00:51:45.625 --> 00:51:46.526
  • - MATT: AND THEN I'D LOVE FORYOU TO PRAY FOR FOLKS.
  • 00:51:46.526 --> 00:51:47.027
  • YOU TO PRAY FOR FOLKS.THAT'D BE AWESOME.
  • 00:51:47.027 --> 00:51:49.563
  • THAT'D BE AWESOME.- CHARLES: WELL, IF YOU OBEY
  • 00:51:49.563 --> 00:51:50.564
  • - CHARLES: WELL, IF YOU OBEYGOD, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE
  • 00:51:50.564 --> 00:51:51.765
  • GOD, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BEEASY.
  • 00:51:51.765 --> 00:51:53.166
  • EASY.IN FACT, SOMETIMES YOU THINK YOU
  • 00:51:53.166 --> 00:51:54.434
  • IN FACT, SOMETIMES YOU THINK YOUJUST CAN'T DO IT, BUT THAT'S
  • 00:51:54.434 --> 00:51:57.037
  • JUST CAN'T DO IT, BUT THAT'SWHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
  • 00:51:57.037 --> 00:51:58.305
  • WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THECOURAGE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS
  • 00:51:58.305 --> 00:52:00.040
  • COURAGE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD ISWHO HE SAYS HE IS AND THAT HE'LL
  • 00:52:00.040 --> 00:52:02.075
  • WHO HE SAYS HE IS AND THAT HE'LLDO WHAT HE SAYS HE'LL DO, AND
  • 00:52:02.075 --> 00:52:04.311
  • DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'LL DO, ANDI'VE LIVED LONG ENOUGH, AND I'VE
  • 00:52:04.311 --> 00:52:05.612
  • I'VE LIVED LONG ENOUGH, AND I'VEBEEN A CHRISTIAN LONG ENOUGH AND
  • 00:52:05.612 --> 00:52:07.147
  • BEEN A CHRISTIAN LONG ENOUGH ANDA PASTOR LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW
  • 00:52:07.147 --> 00:52:09.649
  • A PASTOR LONG ENOUGH TO KNOWTHIS: YOU CAN LEAVE ALL THE
  • 00:52:09.649 --> 00:52:12.018
  • THIS: YOU CAN LEAVE ALL THECONSEQUENCES THAT YOU FACE
  • 00:52:12.018 --> 00:52:15.188
  • CONSEQUENCES THAT YOU FACEBEFORE GOD, AND HE WILL ALWAYS
  • 00:52:15.188 --> 00:52:18.725
  • BEFORE GOD, AND HE WILL ALWAYSBE THERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
  • 00:52:18.725 --> 00:52:21.228
  • BE THERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH SITUATIONS
  • 00:52:21.228 --> 00:52:21.995
  • AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH SITUATIONSAND CIRCUMSTANCES, IF SOMEBODY
  • 00:52:21.995 --> 00:52:23.463
  • AND CIRCUMSTANCES, IF SOMEBODYHAD TOLD ME I WAS GONNA FACE
  • 00:52:23.463 --> 00:52:24.998
  • HAD TOLD ME I WAS GONNA FACETHEM, I'D SAY, "NO," BUT BY
  • 00:52:24.998 --> 00:52:27.867
  • THEM, I'D SAY, "NO," BUT BYLEAVING ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO
  • 00:52:27.867 --> 00:52:29.536
  • LEAVING ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TOHIM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS:
  • 00:52:29.536 --> 00:52:31.004
  • HIM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS:YOU'RE SAYING, "GOD, I TRUST YA.
  • 00:52:31.004 --> 00:52:31.638
  • YOU'RE SAYING, "GOD, I TRUST YA.I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE BIG
  • 00:52:31.638 --> 00:52:33.273
  • I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE BIGENOUGH.
  • 00:52:33.273 --> 00:52:34.574
  • ENOUGH.I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE LOVING
  • 00:52:34.574 --> 00:52:35.909
  • I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE LOVINGENOUGH.
  • 00:52:35.909 --> 00:52:36.676
  • ENOUGH.I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THE
  • 00:52:36.676 --> 00:52:38.245
  • I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THEPOWER TO TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER
  • 00:52:38.245 --> 00:52:38.878
  • POWER TO TAKE CARE OF WHATEVERHAPPENS AS A RESULT OF MY
  • 00:52:38.878 --> 00:52:42.015
  • HAPPENS AS A RESULT OF MYOBEDIENCE TO WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME
  • 00:52:42.015 --> 00:52:43.550
  • OBEDIENCE TO WHAT YOU'VE TOLD METO DO."
  • 00:52:43.550 --> 00:52:44.251
  • TO DO."NOW, YOU HAVE TO BE SURE THAT
  • 00:52:44.251 --> 00:52:45.919
  • NOW, YOU HAVE TO BE SURE THATIT'S NOT JUST YOUR OPINION
  • 00:52:45.919 --> 00:52:47.454
  • IT'S NOT JUST YOUR OPINIONOR WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT HAS
  • 00:52:47.454 --> 00:52:48.555
  • OR WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT HASGOD TOLD YOU, HAS GOD SPOKEN TO
  • 00:52:48.555 --> 00:52:49.656
  • GOD TOLD YOU, HAS GOD SPOKEN TOYOU?
  • 00:52:49.656 --> 00:52:51.091
  • YOU?AND SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS
  • 00:52:51.091 --> 00:52:53.026
  • AND SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS"WELL, HOW WILL I KNOW?"
  • 00:52:53.026 --> 00:52:54.227
  • "WELL, HOW WILL I KNOW?"LISTEN CAREFULLY: ANYBODY WHO IS
  • 00:52:54.227 --> 00:52:57.430
  • LISTEN CAREFULLY: ANYBODY WHO ISA BELIEVER, A FOLLOWER OF JESUS,
  • 00:52:57.430 --> 00:53:00.800
  • A BELIEVER, A FOLLOWER OF JESUS,WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH, GOD
  • 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:01.568
  • WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH, GODWILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH AND SHOW
  • 00:53:01.568 --> 00:53:04.004
  • WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH AND SHOWYOU WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:53:04.004 --> 00:53:05.505
  • YOU WHAT TO DO.NOW, IF THAT BECOMES A HABIT IN
  • 00:53:05.505 --> 00:53:07.040
  • NOW, IF THAT BECOMES A HABIT INYOUR LIFE, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THE
  • 00:53:07.040 --> 00:53:09.676
  • YOUR LIFE, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEFIRST TIME HE CHALLENGES YOU TO
  • 00:53:09.676 --> 00:53:11.311
  • FIRST TIME HE CHALLENGES YOU TOLISTEN TO HIM AND OBEY HIM, YOU
  • 00:53:11.311 --> 00:53:13.446
  • LISTEN TO HIM AND OBEY HIM, YOUDO IT.
  • 00:53:13.446 --> 00:53:15.115
  • DO IT.IF YOU FUDGE A LITTLE BIT AND
  • 00:53:15.115 --> 00:53:16.683
  • IF YOU FUDGE A LITTLE BIT ANDSAY, "WELL, I'M--" NO, WHATEVER
  • 00:53:16.683 --> 00:53:18.585
  • SAY, "WELL, I'M--" NO, WHATEVERHE TELLS YOU TO DO, DO EXACTLY
  • 00:53:18.585 --> 00:53:20.987
  • HE TELLS YOU TO DO, DO EXACTLYWHAT HE TELLS YOU.
  • 00:53:20.987 --> 00:53:22.255
  • WHAT HE TELLS YOU.AND THEN THINK ABOUT THIS:
  • 00:53:22.255 --> 00:53:23.723
  • AND THEN THINK ABOUT THIS:YOU'VE OBEYED GOD, WHO CONTROLS
  • 00:53:23.723 --> 00:53:25.825
  • YOU'VE OBEYED GOD, WHO CONTROLSEVERYTHING.
  • 00:53:25.825 --> 00:53:27.193
  • EVERYTHING.HE'S IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.
  • 00:53:27.193 --> 00:53:28.995
  • HE'S IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.YOU HAVE OBEYED HIM, AND NOW YOU
  • 00:53:28.995 --> 00:53:30.397
  • YOU HAVE OBEYED HIM, AND NOW YOUARE TRUSTING HIM TO BE THE GOD
  • 00:53:30.397 --> 00:53:33.033
  • ARE TRUSTING HIM TO BE THE GODTHAT HE SAYS HE IS, AND THE WORD
  • 00:53:33.033 --> 00:53:34.267
  • THAT HE SAYS HE IS, AND THE WORDOF GOD, WHICH YOU AND I READ AND
  • 00:53:34.267 --> 00:53:37.037
  • OF GOD, WHICH YOU AND I READ ANDBELIEVE.
  • 00:53:37.037 --> 00:53:40.740
  • BELIEVE.IF YOU'LL BEGIN PURPOSELY
  • 00:53:40.740 --> 00:53:41.641
  • IF YOU'LL BEGIN PURPOSELYOBEYING GOD IN A DIFFICULT TIME
  • 00:53:41.641 --> 00:53:44.711
  • OBEYING GOD IN A DIFFICULT TIMEIN YOUR LIFE, HERE'S WHAT YOU
  • 00:53:44.711 --> 00:53:45.679
  • IN YOUR LIFE, HERE'S WHAT YOUCAN DISCOVER.
  • 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:46.379
  • CAN DISCOVER.YOU'RE GONNA DISCOVER THIS IS
  • 00:53:46.379 --> 00:53:47.580
  • YOU'RE GONNA DISCOVER THIS ISTHE WAY TO LIVE.
  • 00:53:47.580 --> 00:53:49.182
  • THE WAY TO LIVE.YOU MAY GET DISAPPOINTED, BUT IT
  • 00:53:49.182 --> 00:53:50.550
  • YOU MAY GET DISAPPOINTED, BUT ITWON'T BE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KEEP
  • 00:53:50.550 --> 00:53:51.551
  • WON'T BE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KEEPHIS WORD.
  • 00:53:51.551 --> 00:53:54.120
  • HIS WORD.GOD WILL KEEP HIS WORD IF YOU
  • 00:53:54.120 --> 00:53:56.323
  • GOD WILL KEEP HIS WORD IF YOUWILL OBEY HIM.
  • 00:53:56.323 --> 00:53:57.824
  • WILL OBEY HIM.I DON'T THINK I'D CHANGE ANY
  • 00:53:57.824 --> 00:53:59.759
  • I DON'T THINK I'D CHANGE ANYMAJOR DECISION OF MY LIFE SINCE
  • 00:53:59.759 --> 00:54:02.028
  • MAJOR DECISION OF MY LIFE SINCEI LEARNED THAT TRUTH.
  • 00:54:02.028 --> 00:54:03.763
  • I LEARNED THAT TRUTH.I CAN'T THINK THAT I WOULD.
  • 00:54:03.763 --> 00:54:05.231
  • I CAN'T THINK THAT I WOULD.I CAN'T NAME ONE THAT I WOULD
  • 00:54:05.231 --> 00:54:08.068
  • I CAN'T NAME ONE THAT I WOULDCHANGE BECAUSE GOD IS FAITHFUL,
  • 00:54:08.068 --> 00:54:10.136
  • CHANGE BECAUSE GOD IS FAITHFUL,AND GOD IS TRUE TO HIS WORD.
  • 00:54:10.136 --> 00:54:12.439
  • AND GOD IS TRUE TO HIS WORD.TRUST HIM.
  • 00:54:12.439 --> 00:54:14.007
  • TRUST HIM."TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR
  • 00:54:14.007 --> 00:54:14.607
  • "TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL YOURHEART.
  • 00:54:14.607 --> 00:54:16.543
  • HEART.LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN
  • 00:54:16.543 --> 00:54:17.811
  • LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWNUNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:54:17.811 --> 00:54:18.545
  • UNDERSTANDING.IN ALL YOUR WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE
  • 00:54:18.545 --> 00:54:20.613
  • IN ALL YOUR WAYS ACKNOWLEDGEHIM, AND HE WILL DIRECT YOUR
  • 00:54:20.613 --> 00:54:23.316
  • HIM, AND HE WILL DIRECT YOURPATH."
  • 00:54:23.316 --> 00:54:24.684
  • PATH."YOU CAN'T EVER GO WRONG
  • 00:54:24.684 --> 00:54:26.619
  • YOU CAN'T EVER GO WRONGTRUSTING GOD, AND THAT'S MY
  • 00:54:26.619 --> 00:54:28.054
  • TRUSTING GOD, AND THAT'S MYPRAYER FOR YOU.
  • 00:54:28.054 --> 00:54:29.989
  • PRAYER FOR YOU.SO LET'S PRAY.
  • 00:54:29.989 --> 00:54:31.291
  • SO LET'S PRAY.FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING
  • 00:54:31.291 --> 00:54:33.259
  • FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BEINGWHO YOU ARE: AWESOME, WONDERFUL,
  • 00:54:33.259 --> 00:54:37.931
  • WHO YOU ARE: AWESOME, WONDERFUL,ENCOURAGING FATHER.
  • 00:54:37.931 --> 00:54:41.234
  • ENCOURAGING FATHER.I PRAY THAT EVERY PERSON WHO HAS
  • 00:54:41.234 --> 00:54:43.403
  • I PRAY THAT EVERY PERSON WHO HASWATCHED THIS INTERVIEW, IF THEY
  • 00:54:43.403 --> 00:54:45.538
  • WATCHED THIS INTERVIEW, IF THEYTAKE AWAY NOTHING, LET 'EM TAKE
  • 00:54:45.538 --> 00:54:46.906
  • TAKE AWAY NOTHING, LET 'EM TAKEAWAY THAT SIMPLE TRUTH: YOU'RE A
  • 00:54:46.906 --> 00:54:48.842
  • AWAY THAT SIMPLE TRUTH: YOU'RE ATRUSTWORTHY GOD, OMNIPOTENT,
  • 00:54:48.842 --> 00:54:51.344
  • TRUSTWORTHY GOD, OMNIPOTENT,OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT,
  • 00:54:51.344 --> 00:54:52.779
  • OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT,AWESOME, LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER.
  • 00:54:52.779 --> 00:54:54.814
  • AWESOME, LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER.YOU CAN BE TRUSTED IN EVERY
  • 00:54:54.814 --> 00:54:55.782
  • YOU CAN BE TRUSTED IN EVERYSINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE."
  • 00:54:55.782 --> 00:54:59.285
  • SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE."MAY THAT TRUTH SINK
  • 00:54:59.285 --> 00:55:00.720
  • MAY THAT TRUTH SINKDEEP IN THEIR HEARTS TO
  • 00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:03.823
  • DEEP IN THEIR HEARTS TORECOGNIZE THERE IS NO BETTER
  • 00:55:03.823 --> 00:55:06.526
  • RECOGNIZE THERE IS NO BETTERWAY TO LIVE THAN TO LIVE
  • 00:55:06.526 --> 00:55:09.262
  • WAY TO LIVE THAN TO LIVETRUSTING YOU AND BELIEVING THAT
  • 00:55:09.262 --> 00:55:10.597
  • TRUSTING YOU AND BELIEVING THATYOU'LL ALWAYS KEEP YOUR WORD, IN
  • 00:55:10.597 --> 00:55:12.899
  • YOU'LL ALWAYS KEEP YOUR WORD, INJESUS'S NAME, AMEN.
  • 00:55:12.899 --> 00:55:14.734
  • JESUS'S NAME, AMEN.- MATT: AMEN, AMEN, WOW.
  • 00:55:14.734 --> 00:55:16.903
  • - MATT: AMEN, AMEN, WOW.WOW, WOW, WOW.
  • 00:55:16.903 --> 00:55:18.938
  • WOW, WOW, WOW.OBEY GOD.
  • 00:55:18.938 --> 00:55:19.939
  • OBEY GOD.LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO
  • 00:55:19.939 --> 00:55:21.441
  • LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TOHIM.
  • 00:55:21.441 --> 00:55:22.409
  • HIM.DR. CHARLES STANLEY, FIRST OF
  • 00:55:22.409 --> 00:55:24.177
  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY, FIRST OFALL, THANK YOU.
  • 00:55:24.177 --> 00:55:24.944
  • ALL, THANK YOU.THIS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
  • 00:55:24.944 --> 00:55:27.914
  • THIS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.OUR AUDIENCE LOVES YOU.
  • 00:55:27.914 --> 00:55:29.749
  • OUR AUDIENCE LOVES YOU.- LAURIE: WE LOVE YOU.
  • 00:55:29.749 --> 00:55:31.017
  • - LAURIE: WE LOVE YOU.- MATT: WE JUST-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:55:31.017 --> 00:55:31.818
  • - MATT: WE JUST-- YOU KNOW,AMAZING THING.
  • 00:55:31.818 --> 00:55:33.853
  • AMAZING THING.WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAY
  • 00:55:33.853 --> 00:55:35.054
  • WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAYABOUT YOU AFTER YOU'RE GONE?
  • 00:55:35.054 --> 00:55:41.995
  • ABOUT YOU AFTER YOU'RE GONE?NOT TO YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY TRIP--
  • 00:55:41.995 --> 00:55:44.631
  • NOT TO YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY TRIP--AFTER YOU'RE IN HEAVEN.
  • 00:55:44.631 --> 00:55:49.702
  • AFTER YOU'RE IN HEAVEN.- CHARLES: I WANT-- YOU LET ME
  • 00:55:49.702 --> 00:55:50.703
  • - CHARLES: I WANT-- YOU LET MEGET OVER THIS?
  • 00:55:50.703 --> 00:55:51.371
  • GET OVER THIS?I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
  • 00:55:51.371 --> 00:55:55.875
  • I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THATNECESSARILY.
  • 00:55:55.875 --> 00:55:57.210
  • NECESSARILY.BUT I'D WANT THEM TO SAY, "HE
  • 00:55:57.210 --> 00:56:00.013
  • BUT I'D WANT THEM TO SAY, "HEBELIEVED THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT
  • 00:56:00.013 --> 00:56:01.915
  • BELIEVED THAT THE MOST IMPORTANTTRUTH IN HIS LIFE IS 'OBEY GOD
  • 00:56:01.915 --> 00:56:03.216
  • TRUTH IN HIS LIFE IS 'OBEY GODAND LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES
  • 00:56:03.216 --> 00:56:06.286
  • AND LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCESTO HIM,' AND IT APPEARS FROM
  • 00:56:06.286 --> 00:56:07.787
  • TO HIM,' AND IT APPEARS FROMWHAT WE SEE AND HEARD, THAT'S
  • 00:56:07.787 --> 00:56:10.323
  • WHAT WE SEE AND HEARD, THAT'STHE WAY HE LIVED."
  • 00:56:10.323 --> 00:56:13.993
  • THE WAY HE LIVED."I'D LIKE FOR IT
  • 00:56:13.993 --> 00:56:14.727
  • I'D LIKE FOR ITTO BE THAT WAY.
  • 00:56:14.727 --> 00:56:15.295
  • TO BE THAT WAY.- MATT: THANK YOU.
  • 00:56:15.295 --> 00:56:15.895
  • - MATT: THANK YOU.WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
  • 00:56:15.895 --> 00:56:18.364