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Praise | August 11, 2017

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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Christine and Nick Caine from Rome, Italy.

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  • - female announcer: This week
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  • on "Praise."
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  • - Matt Crouch: We are here
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  • in Singapore...Jerusalem...
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  • Rome...Italy.
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  • - announcer: Matt and Laurie
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  • travel around the globe.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: You know what
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  • I love about Trinity
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  • Broadcasting Network is that you
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  • can come right along with us.
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  • - announcer: And bring the good
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  • news of the gospel to you.
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  • - Matt: Ringside seat for the
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  • TBN viewers, stay tuned.
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  • - announcer: On the final leg
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  • of their journey, Matt and
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  • Laurie travel from Jerusalem to
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  • the historical city of Rome.
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  • - Matt: We're talking about
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  • living a life undaunted.
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  • - Christine Caine: We have to
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  • change our perspective, that's
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  • really how you live undaunted.
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  • You change your focus.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: I told him,
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  • almost at the point of losing my
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  • mind.
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  • - Christine: And I mean, that
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  • moment, every fact that I
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  • thought to be true about
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  • [m
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  • [music
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  • - Christine: When you are so
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  • gripped by disappointment, Jesus
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  • could be right in your midst,
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  • but you're not going to see him.
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  • God will use anything if you let
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  • him.
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  • If we're going to fulfill our
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  • God-given destiny and purpose,
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  • God-given destiny and purpose,
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  • [m
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  • [music
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  • - Matt: We welcome you to
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  • a gorgeous afternoon
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  • While the bells are ringing
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  • an unusual definition.
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  • Undaunted, unafraid, undismayed,
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  • unalarmed, unflinching,
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  • unshrinking, unabashed,
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  • unfaltering, fearless,
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  • dauntless, bold, valiant, brave,
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  • stouthearted, lionhearted,
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  • courageous, heroic, gritty,
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  • steely, indomitable, resolute,
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  • determined, confident,
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  • audacious, daring.
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  • Informally--ready
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  • for the informal?
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  • Gutsy, spunky, ballsy,
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  • feisty, and cocky.
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  • Welcome to "Praise" program
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  • equals Christine Caine.
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  • - Christine: I've never been
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  • introduced like that.
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  • That was epic.
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  • - Laurie: Bingo.
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  • - Matt: An epic afternoon on
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  • an epic balcony.
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  • This is the temporary TBN
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  • studios right here in Rome,
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  • Italy.
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  • about "Undaunted."
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  • What are we--
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  • - Laurie: Can we get a big amen
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  • from the hubby over here?
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  • - Matt: And what are we talking
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  • about today?
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  • What is the subject of
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  • "Undaunted"?
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  • - Christine: You know, we're
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  • talking about going through life
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  • having greater faith that he
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  • that is in us is greater than
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  • anything that's going to come at
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  • And it's the fact that if we're
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  • going to fulfill our God-give
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  • destiny and purpose, we have to
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  • live undaunted.
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  • Like on the edge of a very tall
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  • building in Rome.
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  • That's all I can say.
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  • - Matt: Hey, it's feisty.
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  • - Laurie: And there's no nets
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  • down there.
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  • - Christine: There's no net.
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  • I'm like, are you serious?
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  • Matt, you are just like,
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  • "Just jump on there."
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  • I'm like, "Yeah, okay."
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  • - Matt: In your white pants.
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  • - Christine: I was freaking
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  • out, okay?
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  • - Laurie: He keeps telling us
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  • to scoot back.
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  • - Matt: All right, let me just
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  • tell you, I'm going to make sure
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  • the television audience knows
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  • how important this program is.
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  • Look, if you are afraid,
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  • if you have fear to the future,
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  • if there is something that's
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  • nagging at you--and we've been
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  • discussing some of this even
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  • prior to coming out here on the
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  • balcony with you guys, Laurie
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  • and I have been discussing even
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  • how this subject touches us
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  • personally.
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  • We have a little thing for you,
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  • but Max Lucado, our common dear
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  • friend, wrote in your foreword
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  • something that is worth
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  • repeating.
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  • "I've wondered what it would be
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  • like to visit the Apostle Paul,
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  • the globetrotting,
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  • gospel proclaiming, chain
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  • breaking trumpeter of grace.
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  • I've imagined a good chat with
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  • Mary, the mother of Jesus, a
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  • simple village girl who, upon
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  • learning that she would a virgin
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  • and pregnant, told God,
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  • 'Whatever you say, I'll do.'
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  • I've envisioned a conversation
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  • with Esther, the liberator from
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  • nowhere.
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  • Out of the shadows she stepped,
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  • and because she did, a nation
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  • was spared.
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  • Paul, Mary, Esther, turns out
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  • I've met all three in the person
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  • of Christine Caine."
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  • Max couldn't write better,
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  • couldn't have spoken better,
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  • couldn't have introduced
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  • you better.
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  • Start a little bit with your
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  • story and why it qualifies you
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  • to tell us how to be undaunted.
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  • - Christine: Sure.
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  • Well, you know, guys, I grew up
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  • in Sydney, Australia.
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  • This is the Queens accent of
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  • one of the colonies.
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  • But I grew up in Sydney, second
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  • generation migrant Greek before
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  • "My Big Fat Greek Wedding,"
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  • so it was not cool to be Greek
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  • in Australia back then.
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  • In the poorest zip code in my
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  • state, kind of where the migrant
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  • community was, very marginalized
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  • because of my ethnicity and my
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  • gender.
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  • You know, women were not
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  • encouraged to do anything really
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  • great, to aspire to anything.
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  • And pretty much every week of my
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  • life from very young, my first
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  • conscious memory's from when I
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  • was about 3, right through to
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  • 12, I was abused by several
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  • different men throughout my
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  • childhood.
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  • And my immediate family was
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  • awesome, but just by people that
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  • I should have been able to trust
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  • outside of that.
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  • And then 2 weeks before my 33rd
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  • birthday, I got a phone call
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  • from my brother, who said he
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  • received a letter from the
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  • government saying he was
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  • adopted.
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  • To which I thought he was
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  • joking, you know?
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  • Like I thought, "No."
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  • And anyway, then he called me
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  • back 10 minutes later, he said,
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  • "Christine, it's true, I called
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  • the government, I called this
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  • authority.
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  • They told me the name of
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  • biological mother, my father,
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  • when I was immunized,
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  • when I was born.
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  • So," he said, "I'm going to go
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  • and talk to mum."
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  • Now, you've got to understand
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  • I'm Greek, so Greeks
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  • are volatile.
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  • You think the Italians are?
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  • Greeks are another letter.
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  • They act first, think later,
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  • no connection between
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  • brain and actions.
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  • So, my dad had died when I was
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  • 19, so I'm thinking my brother
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  • is going to explode.
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  • My mother was alone.
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  • I go to my mum's house, I walked
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  • in at the moment that my brother
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  • was giving my mum a document
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  • from the government that said
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  • adoption.
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  • My mother just started crying,
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  • and she said, "George,
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  • I'm so sorry.
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  • All of the adoption laws in
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  • Australia 35 years ago,
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  • they were closed adoptions.
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  • We never thought
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  • you would find out.
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  • And before your father died, the
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  • last thing I promised him was
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  • that I would never tell you, and
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  • I tore up all of the paperwork."
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  • And you could imagine it was--I
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  • went to the kitchen, make some
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  • food, you know, Greek answer to
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  • everything, do baklava, coffee,
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  • whatever.
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  • My mother comes in behind me and
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  • she just--behind my back, she
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  • goes, "Christina, since we're
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  • telling the truth today, do you
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  • want to know the whole truth?"
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  • So, I'm 2 weeks out from my 33rd
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  • birthday, and with that, I
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  • turned around and my mum said to
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  • me--I just looked at her and I
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  • went, "I've been adopted too."
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  • And just tears started streaming
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  • down her face, and she said,
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  • "I'm so sorry."
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  • And just, "Yes."
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  • And I mean, that moment, every
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  • fact that I thought to be true
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  • about my life changed, what
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  • my name was, when I was born,
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  • my name, everything changed.
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  • And to this day, on this balcony
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  • here in Italy, Rome, I still
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  • don't know the facts surrounding
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  • my conception.
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  • I don't know if I was the result
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  • of a one night stand, a rape,
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  • an ongoing adulterous affair.
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  • I don't know how I was
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  • conceived.
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  • But although I don't know the
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  • facts, I do know that there's a
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  • force much higher than the
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  • facts, and it's called the truth
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  • of the Word of God.
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  • And I said to my mum that day,
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  • I said, "You know what, mum?"
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  • I said, "It doesn't matter."
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  • And she just looked at me
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  • because my brother was having
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  • quite a breakdown.
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  • I mean, it's shocking news,
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  • and I understand that,
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  • but I was grounded on
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  • the truth of the Word.
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  • And in that moment, I said,
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  • "Oh well, mum.
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  • Before I was formed in my
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  • mother's womb, whosever womb
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  • that was," I said, "he knew me,
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  • and he knitted together
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  • my innermost parts.
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  • He fashioned all of my days
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  • before as yet there was one
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  • of them.
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  • I am fearfully and wonderfully
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  • made," and my mother just looked
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  • at me, honestly, like I'm--all
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  • of my years--by then I'd been
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  • a Christian for 13, 14 years.
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  • And they had really quite
  • 00:08:01.150 --> 00:08:03.090
  • ridiculed me for, you know,
  • 00:08:03.090 --> 00:08:05.120
  • being converted.
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  • They thought that I had lost my
  • 00:08:06.070 --> 00:08:07.010
  • mind.
  • 00:08:07.010 --> 00:08:07.270
  • But in that moment, I saw--my
  • 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:09.100
  • mum saw something in me that
  • 00:08:09.100 --> 00:08:10.220
  • changed everything.
  • 00:08:10.220 --> 00:08:12.070
  • And that moment, I would say,
  • 00:08:12.070 --> 00:08:13.250
  • was the beginning of the
  • 00:08:13.250 --> 00:08:14.230
  • turnaround of my family's
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  • salvation because they saw this
  • 00:08:15.220 --> 00:08:17.000
  • was not just something I spoke
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  • about, that in the moment of
  • 00:08:19.130 --> 00:08:21.030
  • conflict, when the storm came,
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  • all of that truth that I had
  • 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.210
  • stored up all of those years in
  • 00:08:25.210 --> 00:08:27.170
  • the silence, all of those years
  • 00:08:27.170 --> 00:08:28.250
  • of my quiet times, all of those
  • 00:08:28.250 --> 00:08:30.090
  • years of declaring and decreeing
  • 00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:31.220
  • the truth of the Word of God,
  • 00:08:31.220 --> 00:08:32.260
  • when the storm came, when
  • 00:08:32.260 --> 00:08:34.120
  • the waves came, when the trials
  • 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.020
  • came, out of me--that's what
  • 00:08:36.020 --> 00:08:37.270
  • a storm does, it reveals
  • 00:08:37.270 --> 00:08:38.290
  • what's in you.
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  • So, in what could have been the
  • 00:08:39.260 --> 00:08:41.050
  • most shocking news of my life,
  • 00:08:41.050 --> 00:08:42.250
  • what could have sent me into a
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  • tailspin really and just messed
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  • with my whole identity,
  • 00:08:46.190 --> 00:08:47.200
  • to be honest, I sort of had
  • 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.160
  • a momentary--it was like
  • 00:08:50.160 --> 00:08:52.020
  • a momentary affliction,
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  • as Paul says.
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  • Really I just instantly went,
  • 00:08:54.180 --> 00:08:56.220
  • "Hang on a minute, the truth is
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  • that I am God's workmanship.
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  • Even if I find out that I was
  • 00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:02.130
  • the workmanship of a rape maybe,
  • 00:09:02.130 --> 00:09:04.230
  • or an adulterous--I was
  • 00:09:04.230 --> 00:09:05.280
  • definitely--it would have been
  • 00:09:05.280 --> 00:09:06.290
  • an adulterous affair.
  • 00:09:06.290 --> 00:09:08.000
  • Ephesians 2:10 says, ultimately,
  • 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.280
  • I'm God's workmanship.
  • 00:09:10.280 --> 00:09:12.030
  • And I've been recreated in
  • 00:09:12.030 --> 00:09:13.090
  • Christ Jesus for good works that
  • 00:09:13.090 --> 00:09:14.210
  • God prepared before I ever got
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  • here.
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  • And you know, the truth is that,
  • 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.070
  • no matter what you find out
  • 00:09:18.070 --> 00:09:20.100
  • about your past, no matter what
  • 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:22.030
  • shocking news comes, what Jesus
  • 00:09:22.030 --> 00:09:24.130
  • did for me was bigger than
  • 00:09:24.130 --> 00:09:26.030
  • what anyone did to me.
  • 00:09:26.030 --> 00:09:27.180
  • What Jesus did for me was bigger
  • 00:09:27.180 --> 00:09:29.000
  • than what they said about me.
  • 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.140
  • And so, at the end of the day,
  • 00:09:30.140 --> 00:09:32.100
  • Word of God, and that really is
  • 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.030
  • what "Undaunted" is about.
  • 00:09:36.030 --> 00:09:37.160
  • It's going, "This truth,
  • 00:09:37.160 --> 00:09:39.060
  • it trumps any fact.
  • 00:09:39.060 --> 00:09:41.010
  • Any fact that happens in our
  • 00:09:41.010 --> 00:09:42.090
  • life, there is something more
  • 00:09:42.090 --> 00:09:43.160
  • higher, which is the truth of
  • 00:09:43.160 --> 00:09:45.230
  • the Word of God.
  • 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:46.170
  • Therefore, we can go through
  • 00:09:46.170 --> 00:09:47.250
  • life undaunted."
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  • It doesn't mean
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  • trials don't come, adversity.
  • 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.030
  • I was abused, nothing's going
  • 00:09:51.030 --> 00:09:52.270
  • to change it.
  • 00:09:52.270 --> 00:09:53.180
  • The blood of Jesus doesn't give
  • 00:09:53.180 --> 00:09:54.120
  • you amnesia, but it gives you
  • 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.010
  • a life beyond your past.
  • 00:09:56.010 --> 00:09:57.150
  • And the Word gives you
  • 00:09:57.150 --> 00:09:58.190
  • a structure to build on
  • 00:09:58.190 --> 00:10:00.080
  • beyond your past.
  • 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.120
  • It makes what Jesus did for us
  • 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.160
  • bigger than what anyone
  • 00:10:02.160 --> 00:10:03.250
  • did to us.
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  • - Matt: Beautiful.
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  • - Laurie: Love that.
  • 00:10:05.150 --> 00:10:06.190
  • - Matt: If you just tuned in,
  • 00:10:06.190 --> 00:10:07.110
  • we are on a beautiful afternoon
  • 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:11.090
  • here in Rome, Italy.
  • 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:13.100
  • We're talking about the word
  • 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:16.030
  • "undaunted" as described
  • 00:10:16.030 --> 00:10:18.120
  • in Christine's book, daring
  • 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.200
  • to do what God calls you to do.
  • 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.260
  • Now, what's interesting about
  • 00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:24.290
  • testified to, halfway through
  • 00:10:28.280 --> 00:10:31.280
  • your life, little more than
  • 00:10:31.280 --> 00:10:33.120
  • halfway through your life,
  • 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:34.140
  • your life changed.
  • 00:10:34.140 --> 00:10:36.080
  • And everything that you thought
  • 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.170
  • you knew about yourself was
  • 00:10:38.170 --> 00:10:40.090
  • different, but yet you still
  • 00:10:40.160 --> 00:10:43.160
  • proceed into your future without
  • 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:48.260
  • even understanding your past.
  • 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:51.050
  • You don't really even know
  • 00:10:51.050 --> 00:10:52.070
  • your past.
  • 00:10:52.070 --> 00:10:53.030
  • So, if there is ever anyone that
  • 00:10:53.030 --> 00:10:55.150
  • qualifies to write this book,
  • 00:10:55.150 --> 00:10:57.230
  • I think it's you.
  • 00:10:57.230 --> 00:10:59.230
  • You know, look, we both have
  • 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:02.040
  • generations of, you know,
  • 00:11:02.230 --> 00:11:05.230
  • preachers in our family.
  • 00:11:05.230 --> 00:11:08.060
  • We--when we got married, we both
  • 00:11:08.060 --> 00:11:10.130
  • had normal, living--well,
  • 00:11:11.110 --> 00:11:14.110
  • normal is a relative term,
  • 00:11:14.110 --> 00:11:15.100
  • I understand that.
  • 00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:16.060
  • But--you know, but--yeah, her
  • 00:11:16.060 --> 00:11:18.210
  • parents were more normal than
  • 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:19.270
  • mine, but ultimately, we had a
  • 00:11:19.270 --> 00:11:21.280
  • mom and a dad, she had a mom and
  • 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:23.200
  • a dad, they were in ministry,
  • 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.060
  • and everything about our lives,
  • 00:11:25.060 --> 00:11:26.290
  • we at least knew everything
  • 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:28.130
  • about our lives.
  • 00:11:28.130 --> 00:11:29.220
  • And Christine, maybe now's the
  • 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:32.280
  • time or maybe a little bit later
  • 00:11:32.280 --> 00:11:34.120
  • in the broadcast, but I just
  • 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:35.240
  • want you to know that the idea
  • 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.080
  • of uncertainty about the future
  • 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:40.130
  • came in and met us in
  • 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.000
  • a supernormal environment.
  • 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:47.190
  • if this subject can touch her,
  • 00:11:51.210 --> 00:11:54.210
  • it can touch anybody.
  • 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:55.250
  • - Laurie: Well, how did--how
  • 00:11:55.250 --> 00:11:56.200
  • did all of that--okay, 33 years
  • 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.040
  • old, you--it's almost like
  • 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:01.160
  • your--the life that you had and
  • 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:04.240
  • believed, and your family, it's
  • 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.200
  • like that rug was pulled out.
  • 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.160
  • Now you're--now there's probably
  • 00:12:08.160 --> 00:12:10.200
  • more questions than answers.
  • 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.060
  • Did that set a resolve inside
  • 00:12:12.100 --> 00:12:15.100
  • of you for the future?
  • 00:12:15.100 --> 00:12:16.160
  • How did that change
  • 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:18.010
  • your mission?
  • 00:12:18.010 --> 00:12:19.220
  • Did it--did it--
  • 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:20.160
  • - Christine: Well, it didn't
  • 00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:21.070
  • because I was already
  • 00:12:21.070 --> 00:12:22.090
  • on course with destiny.
  • 00:12:22.090 --> 00:12:23.200
  • What it did was
  • 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:24.080
  • it solidified it.
  • 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.230
  • Because the fact is that
  • 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:27.000
  • for all of us, whether you have
  • 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:28.220
  • generations of ministry parents
  • 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:30.170
  • like you, or whether you don't
  • 00:12:30.170 --> 00:12:31.250
  • even know who your parents are
  • 00:12:31.250 --> 00:12:32.290
  • like me, the fact is that when
  • 00:12:32.290 --> 00:12:35.100
  • I'm born again and adopted into
  • 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:36.230
  • the family of God, we are all
  • 00:12:36.230 --> 00:12:38.050
  • adopted into Christ's family,
  • 00:12:38.050 --> 00:12:39.230
  • so we all have the same access
  • 00:12:39.230 --> 00:12:41.160
  • to the same God.
  • 00:12:41.160 --> 00:12:43.000
  • We all have the same access
  • 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:44.120
  • to every spiritual blessing.
  • 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:45.210
  • What it did do is it solidified
  • 00:12:45.210 --> 00:12:47.210
  • my assignment.
  • 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:49.050
  • And I guess obviously out of all
  • 00:12:49.050 --> 00:12:50.230
  • of that, A21 came, what I'm
  • 00:12:50.230 --> 00:12:52.140
  • doing with women came.
  • 00:12:52.140 --> 00:12:53.100
  • And I feel very much like
  • 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:56.010
  • Joseph, who said to his
  • 00:12:56.010 --> 00:12:57.120
  • brothers, "You meant this for
  • 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.000
  • evil against me, but God meant
  • 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:00.100
  • it for this very purpose,
  • 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:02.050
  • to save many people, alive."
  • 00:13:02.050 --> 00:13:03.190
  • And I think that God took all of
  • 00:13:03.190 --> 00:13:06.010
  • those bad things in my past, and
  • 00:13:06.010 --> 00:13:07.120
  • they were--they're not good.
  • 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:08.280
  • Abuse is not good, abandonment
  • 00:13:08.280 --> 00:13:10.040
  • is not good, rejection's not
  • 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:11.160
  • good.
  • 00:13:11.160 --> 00:13:12.100
  • But God took all of those bad
  • 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:13.290
  • things and worked them together
  • 00:13:13.290 --> 00:13:15.260
  • for good and for his glory, for
  • 00:13:15.260 --> 00:13:18.010
  • my good and for his glory.
  • 00:13:18.010 --> 00:13:19.060
  • And when you look at every
  • 00:13:19.060 --> 00:13:20.190
  • aspect of my life now, and all
  • 00:13:20.190 --> 00:13:22.200
  • the aspect of our ministry, it
  • 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.180
  • flows out of the very thing that
  • 00:13:24.180 --> 00:13:26.140
  • the enemy wanted to destroy me
  • 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:27.220
  • with.
  • 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:28.120
  • I mean, he tried to abort me in
  • 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.240
  • my mother's womb.
  • 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:30.170
  • When that didn't work, he left
  • 00:13:30.170 --> 00:13:32.000
  • me abandoned at a hospital.
  • 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.090
  • When that didn't work, he used
  • 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:34.190
  • people to abuse me for over
  • 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:36.250
  • a decade.
  • 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:38.060
  • And when that didn't work
  • 00:13:38.060 --> 00:13:39.210
  • and I'd got--I started to be
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:41.080
  • preaching and teaching, he
  • 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.290
  • thought, "I'll undermine her
  • 00:13:42.290 --> 00:13:44.000
  • now by her finding out."
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:45.050
  • And he just kept trying
  • 00:13:45.050 --> 00:13:46.040
  • to do that.
  • 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:46.260
  • But the fact is, if your feet
  • 00:13:46.260 --> 00:13:47.220
  • are set on solid ground, you
  • 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:49.250
  • can't have a rug pulled out
  • 00:13:49.250 --> 00:13:51.030
  • from under you.
  • 00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:52.030
  • You might shake, but only those
  • 00:13:52.030 --> 00:13:54.020
  • things that can be shaken will
  • 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:55.080
  • be shaken so the things that
  • 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.200
  • cannot be shaken will remain.
  • 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.010
  • And I think that's a word
  • 00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:58.260
  • for our generation now.
  • 00:13:58.260 --> 00:14:00.140
  • There is so much fear on
  • 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:01.250
  • the earth economically,
  • 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:03.070
  • politically, socially.
  • 00:14:03.070 --> 00:14:04.240
  • There is terror, and that's
  • 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.090
  • really the goal of terrorists,
  • 00:14:06.090 --> 00:14:07.180
  • terror, it's fear.
  • 00:14:07.180 --> 00:14:08.290
  • - Matt: Okay, here's the thing.
  • 00:14:08.290 --> 00:14:11.050
  • You have every excuse
  • 00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:14.180
  • to live daunted, not undaunted.
  • 00:14:15.090 --> 00:14:18.090
  • You have every excuse.
  • 00:14:18.090 --> 00:14:20.050
  • And here's an interesting thing
  • 00:14:20.050 --> 00:14:22.170
  • because she has no excuse, okay?
  • 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.080
  • So, what did that feel like?
  • 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.100
  • See, we're setting the stage,
  • 00:14:28.100 --> 00:14:29.160
  • then we want some Scripture,
  • 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:30.240
  • we want to move ahead, but just
  • 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.200
  • talk about what--how that--how
  • 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.060
  • we got introduced to this,
  • 00:14:35.060 --> 00:14:38.000
  • or how you got introduced
  • 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.000
  • to this uncertainty.
  • 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.080
  • - Laurie: Well, probably years
  • 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.190
  • ago, and he was reminding me
  • 00:14:43.190 --> 00:14:45.060
  • this morning, he goes, "You're
  • 00:14:45.060 --> 00:14:46.110
  • the last one that should have
  • 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:48.170
  • been in this predicament because
  • 00:14:48.170 --> 00:14:50.210
  • we came from a beautiful family,
  • 00:14:50.210 --> 00:14:52.250
  • you know, we had--we were just
  • 00:14:52.250 --> 00:14:55.120
  • fine.
  • 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:56.240
  • And I'll never forget, oh, it
  • 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:01.270
  • was probably 15 years ago, maybe
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:04.090
  • even longer, 20 years ago, I one
  • 00:15:05.030 --> 00:15:08.030
  • night woke up out of a sleep
  • 00:15:08.180 --> 00:15:11.180
  • absolutely out of my mind with
  • 00:15:13.210 --> 00:15:16.210
  • fear.
  • 00:15:16.210 --> 00:15:17.270
  • And it was like I heard a voice
  • 00:15:18.050 --> 00:15:21.050
  • that said, "I am going to rip
  • 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.200
  • your family apart.
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.050
  • I'm going to take your children,
  • 00:15:27.050 --> 00:15:28.080
  • I'm going to take--" And I would
  • 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.100
  • have flashes of the most
  • 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:32.070
  • horrific things that I have
  • 00:15:32.070 --> 00:15:34.070
  • ever--fear gripped my soul.
  • 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:39.160
  • And all I could say was,
  • 00:15:39.170 --> 00:15:42.170
  • "Jesus, Jesus."
  • 00:15:42.170 --> 00:15:44.220
  • Well, that went on for a while.
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:49.260
  • - Matt: To the point, by the
  • 00:15:49.260 --> 00:15:50.180
  • way, that she wasn't even
  • 00:15:50.180 --> 00:15:51.220
  • telling me about it.
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  • So, it was so unusual, so weird,
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  • so wrong, she wouldn't even tell
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  • me about it.
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  • - Laurie: And it was like,
  • 00:15:58.130 --> 00:15:59.110
  • "Okay, this is--"
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  • And I knew the Word.
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  • So, as much as I knew to do, I
  • 00:16:05.170 --> 00:16:08.170
  • knew to speak the Word to that,
  • 00:16:08.170 --> 00:16:10.050
  • you know?
  • 00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:10.260
  • And, but it continued
  • 00:16:10.260 --> 00:16:13.090
  • for a while.
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  • And I'll never forget
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  • finally--because I knew he
  • 00:16:17.170 --> 00:16:19.220
  • wouldn't get it, he would
  • 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:21.010
  • look at me like,
  • 00:16:21.010 --> 00:16:21.210
  • "What is wrong with you?"
  • 00:16:21.210 --> 00:16:23.020
  • You know?
  • 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:23.250
  • - Matt: That's probably what
  • 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:24.160
  • I did when she finally did
  • 00:16:24.160 --> 00:16:25.230
  • tell me.
  • 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:27.020
  • - Christine: So compassionate.
  • 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:28.160
  • - Laurie: So, it's funny
  • 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:29.290
  • because I told him almost at
  • 00:16:31.050 --> 00:16:34.050
  • the point of losing my mind.
  • 00:16:34.050 --> 00:16:36.010
  • It was like--so, I got--I got
  • 00:16:36.050 --> 00:16:39.050
  • a couple of friends together,
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:41.000
  • and we were at their home.
  • 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.210
  • And I thought, "Okay, in
  • 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:44.030
  • the witnesses of our dearest
  • 00:16:44.030 --> 00:16:45.250
  • friends, I'm going to tell
  • 00:16:45.250 --> 00:16:48.140
  • what I'm going through."
  • 00:16:48.140 --> 00:16:50.020
  • And because it was a safe place
  • 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:52.120
  • with Kim and Jane.
  • 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:54.090
  • And I started sharing, and I
  • 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.120
  • said, "I feel like my body is
  • 00:16:59.270 --> 00:17:02.290
  • over here, my mind is over here,
  • 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:04.190
  • and I'm reaching for myself."
  • 00:17:04.190 --> 00:17:07.140
  • I mean, I was literally--it was
  • 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:08.120
  • a battle of my mind, gripped
  • 00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:12.060
  • with fear for probably months,
  • 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:14.060
  • and worry,
  • 00:17:14.060 --> 00:17:15.280
  • and it would just come.
  • 00:17:15.280 --> 00:17:17.190
  • And I'd just sit up straight in
  • 00:17:17.190 --> 00:17:19.060
  • bed and just be, "Jesus, Jesus,
  • 00:17:19.060 --> 00:17:21.210
  • Jesus."
  • 00:17:21.210 --> 00:17:22.100
  • And you know what?
  • 00:17:22.100 --> 00:17:23.020
  • That broke off of me.
  • 00:17:23.020 --> 00:17:24.210
  • But it was like if I can
  • 00:17:24.210 --> 00:17:26.070
  • experience that--
  • 00:17:26.070 --> 00:17:27.240
  • - Christine: Totally.
  • 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.010
  • - Matt: With about as "Leave it
  • 00:17:29.010 --> 00:17:30.170
  • to Beaver" kind of upbringing as
  • 00:17:30.170 --> 00:17:32.130
  • This subject much bigger than
  • 00:17:35.050 --> 00:17:36.240
  • just people with broken pieces
  • 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.130
  • and--
  • 00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:39.250
  • - Laurie: And shattered,
  • 00:17:39.250 --> 00:17:40.160
  • you know?
  • 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:41.050
  • - Matt: So, just knowing that
  • 00:17:41.050 --> 00:17:44.010
  • now your story is what it is,
  • 00:17:44.010 --> 00:17:46.060
  • her story is what it is, you're
  • 00:17:46.060 --> 00:17:48.070
  • kind of opposites in your story.
  • 00:17:48.070 --> 00:17:50.280
  • You're looking at
  • 00:17:50.280 --> 00:17:51.200
  • the same issue.
  • 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.200
  • What does the Word say
  • 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.060
  • to our viewers?
  • 00:17:55.060 --> 00:17:56.210
  • And by the way, if you just
  • 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:57.210
  • tuned in, we're talking with
  • 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.290
  • Christine and Nick.
  • 00:17:59.290 --> 00:18:01.250
  • Nick, you look lovely here.
  • 00:18:01.250 --> 00:18:02.260
  • Your beard is glowing like
  • 00:18:02.260 --> 00:18:04.070
  • Moses.
  • 00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:05.140
  • The kind of film lighting we're
  • 00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:08.170
  • experiencing right now, it's an
  • 00:18:08.170 --> 00:18:09.280
  • epic afternoon here in Rome.
  • 00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:12.230
  • that we have right here
  • 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:18.260
  • in the center of Rome.
  • 00:18:18.260 --> 00:18:20.130
  • For those that kind of know
  • 00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:21.250
  • their way around Rome, this is
  • 00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:23.110
  • the Piazza del Popolo, the
  • 00:18:23.110 --> 00:18:24.270
  • street down below us.
  • 00:18:24.270 --> 00:18:26.100
  • Down here is the Via del Corso.
  • 00:18:26.100 --> 00:18:28.140
  • - Laurie: And we sold our
  • 00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:29.270
  • property here.
  • 00:18:29.270 --> 00:18:30.180
  • We sold our studio.
  • 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.100
  • - Matt: Our main studio, so
  • 00:18:32.100 --> 00:18:33.100
  • we're kind of renting this
  • 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:34.110
  • place.
  • 00:18:34.110 --> 00:18:35.080
  • But we still have studios here.
  • 00:18:35.080 --> 00:18:36.200
  • And by the way, Christian TV has
  • 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:37.230
  • been on the air in the Italian
  • 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:39.140
  • language here for decades.
  • 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:41.160
  • And our studio facility, main
  • 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.010
  • studio facility is in Milan,
  • 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:46.170
  • which is north of here.
  • 00:18:46.170 --> 00:18:48.110
  • And--
  • 00:18:48.110 --> 00:18:49.200
  • - Laurie: TBN Italia.
  • 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.150
  • - Matt: Just amazing.
  • 00:18:50.150 --> 00:18:52.020
  • It's called Televisione
  • 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:55.190
  • Cristiano Italiana, TCI here.
  • 00:18:55.190 --> 00:18:58.120
  • But Rome plays an important part
  • 00:18:58.120 --> 00:19:00.280
  • to this book, the Apostle Paul
  • 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:02.290
  • plays an important role.
  • 00:19:02.290 --> 00:19:04.160
  • So, knowing that the subject is
  • 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.070
  • much bigger than just
  • 00:19:07.070 --> 00:19:08.270
  • brokenness, proceed now.
  • 00:19:08.270 --> 00:19:10.230
  • - Christine: I think that's the
  • 00:19:10.230 --> 00:19:12.180
  • whole thing, is because again I
  • 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:13.280
  • say, no wonder in 2 Timothy Paul
  • 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:16.170
  • writes, "God has not given us a
  • 00:19:16.170 --> 00:19:19.170
  • spirit of fear," and that's what
  • 00:19:19.170 --> 00:19:21.100
  • happened to you.
  • 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:22.030
  • It's a spirit of fear.
  • 00:19:22.030 --> 00:19:23.110
  • And that spirit of fear is
  • 00:19:23.110 --> 00:19:24.240
  • unleashed on this earth crazy.
  • 00:19:25.050 --> 00:19:28.050
  • And so, you have people
  • 00:19:28.050 --> 00:19:29.200
  • educated, stable, articulate,
  • 00:19:31.030 --> 00:19:34.030
  • but gripped everywhere I go.
  • 00:19:34.030 --> 00:19:35.110
  • We are the most medicated
  • 00:19:35.110 --> 00:19:36.140
  • generation ever.
  • 00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:37.090
  • And people that had no history
  • 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:40.100
  • of any sickness are taking
  • 00:19:40.100 --> 00:19:41.280
  • anxiety medication,
  • 00:19:41.280 --> 00:19:43.040
  • antidepressants.
  • 00:19:43.040 --> 00:19:44.150
  • And I mean, every study will
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:46.000
  • show you in unprecedented
  • 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:47.010
  • numbers because you turn on the
  • 00:19:47.010 --> 00:19:48.240
  • television, and either there's
  • 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.050
  • an economic downturn, or there's
  • 00:19:50.050 --> 00:19:52.070
  • a political instability, or
  • 00:19:52.070 --> 00:19:54.050
  • there's another war, or another
  • 00:19:54.050 --> 00:19:55.140
  • war on terror.
  • 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.170
  • So, it's like it's come at you.
  • 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:58.200
  • And people's fear of the future,
  • 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.020
  • what kind of world are we going
  • 00:20:00.020 --> 00:20:00.290
  • to?
  • 00:20:00.290 --> 00:20:01.180
  • So, the devil is the only one
  • 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:02.210
  • that wins.
  • 00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:03.110
  • And that's why I think God
  • 00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:04.140
  • reminds us, "I've not given you
  • 00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:06.070
  • a spirit of fear."
  • 00:20:06.070 --> 00:20:07.000
  • And when you talk
  • 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:07.200
  • about Paul, I mean, here we
  • 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.140
  • are in Rome, and of course
  • 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:09.270
  • there's nothing quite like
  • 00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:11.160
  • preaching from the book of
  • 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.090
  • Romans when you're in Rome.
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:14.270
  • You're like, "It's awesome."
  • 00:20:14.270 --> 00:20:16.130
  • But you know, I was looking at
  • 00:20:16.130 --> 00:20:17.190
  • how Paul even ended up in Rome.
  • 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:19.080
  • And in the book of Acts, right
  • 00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:20.270
  • at the end it says, you know,
  • 00:20:20.270 --> 00:20:22.160
  • Paul had come, he was in
  • 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:23.250
  • Jerusalem, he was taken,
  • 00:20:23.250 --> 00:20:25.260
  • he was in prison.
  • 00:20:25.260 --> 00:20:26.260
  • They couldn't find anything
  • 00:20:26.260 --> 00:20:27.280
  • wrong, so he appealed to
  • 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:29.180
  • the Roman authorities because
  • 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:31.090
  • he was a Roman citizen.
  • 00:20:31.090 --> 00:20:32.120
  • So they said, "Okay, we're going
  • 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:33.080
  • to let you go to Rome."
  • 00:20:33.080 --> 00:20:34.160
  • So, he comes here,
  • 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.000
  • and then you might remember,
  • 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.040
  • he comes via Malta,
  • 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:38.120
  • when he was bitten by a viper.
  • 00:20:38.120 --> 00:20:40.000
  • I mean, he had a--he needed to
  • 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:41.100
  • understand what it was not to be
  • 00:20:41.100 --> 00:20:43.140
  • daunted because, I mean,
  • 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:45.120
  • honestly, the dude was just full
  • 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:47.080
  • of confidence.
  • 00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:48.020
  • He'd like--he's like,
  • 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:48.290
  • "Bring it on."
  • 00:20:48.290 --> 00:20:49.260
  • Everyone's going, "Don't go
  • 00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:50.200
  • to Rome, you're going to die."
  • 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:51.240
  • He's like, "I'm going anyway."
  • 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.100
  • And so, anyway, he--Malta,
  • 00:20:53.100 --> 00:20:55.030
  • throws the snake off.
  • 00:20:55.030 --> 00:20:56.060
  • And then I really want to pick
  • 00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:58.000
  • it up because it's very powerful
  • 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:58.220
  • up here in Rome, and I love
  • 00:21:01.110 --> 00:21:03.000
  • this.
  • 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.230
  • It says, "When they examined me,
  • 00:21:03.230 --> 00:21:05.140
  • they wished to set me at liberty
  • 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:06.280
  • because there was no reason for
  • 00:21:06.280 --> 00:21:08.220
  • the death penalty in my case."
  • 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:10.250
  • And this is in Acts 28.
  • 00:21:10.250 --> 00:21:12.170
  • So, here he is thinking, "I'm
  • 00:21:12.170 --> 00:21:15.060
  • going in for the death penalty,
  • 00:21:15.060 --> 00:21:16.270
  • but I--bring it on."
  • 00:21:16.270 --> 00:21:18.070
  • He actually asked
  • 00:21:18.070 --> 00:21:19.030
  • to be brought here, he
  • 00:21:19.030 --> 00:21:20.100
  • asked to go before Caesar,
  • 00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:22.090
  • and I'm thinking, "The dude
  • 00:21:22.090 --> 00:21:23.220
  • was undaunted."
  • 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:25.050
  • I needed to dedicate
  • 00:21:25.050 --> 00:21:26.040
  • my book to Paul.
  • 00:21:26.040 --> 00:21:27.290
  • And then he says, "But because
  • 00:21:27.290 --> 00:21:29.270
  • the Jews objected," see, the
  • 00:21:29.270 --> 00:21:31.200
  • people that were really against
  • 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.120
  • him were the Jewish elite,
  • 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:34.020
  • "I was compelled to appeal
  • 00:21:34.020 --> 00:21:35.050
  • to Caesar."
  • 00:21:35.050 --> 00:21:35.290
  • Then he says that, "No
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:36.280
  • charge was brought against me.
  • 00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:38.050
  • For this reason, therefore, I've
  • 00:21:38.050 --> 00:21:39.030
  • asked to see you and to speak
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:40.230
  • with you since it is because of
  • 00:21:40.230 --> 00:21:42.130
  • the hope of Israel,"
  • 00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:44.190
  • I love this, he's so bold,
  • 00:21:44.190 --> 00:21:45.280
  • "'that I am wearing this chain.'
  • 00:21:45.280 --> 00:21:47.170
  • And they said to him,
  • 00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:48.230
  • 'We have received
  • 00:21:48.230 --> 00:21:49.120
  • no letter from Judea about you,
  • 00:21:49.120 --> 00:21:50.270
  • and none of the brothers coming
  • 00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:52.150
  • here has reported or spoken evil
  • 00:21:52.150 --> 00:21:54.120
  • about you, but we desire
  • 00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:56.090
  • to hear from you.'"
  • 00:21:56.090 --> 00:21:56.290
  • So, he was smart.
  • 00:21:56.290 --> 00:21:57.280
  • He wanted to preach the gospel
  • 00:21:57.280 --> 00:21:59.000
  • to the Gentiles.
  • 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:00.170
  • So, this is why I love this.
  • 00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:01.220
  • It's the epicenter of Paul
  • 00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:03.220
  • bringing the gospel
  • 00:22:03.220 --> 00:22:04.150
  • to the Gentiles.
  • 00:22:04.150 --> 00:22:06.040
  • And he says--I'm trying to see
  • 00:22:06.040 --> 00:22:08.050
  • between my hair and the wind.
  • 00:22:08.050 --> 00:22:09.050
  • "'For with regard to this sect,
  • 00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:11.040
  • we know that everywhere is it
  • 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:13.020
  • spoken against.'
  • 00:22:13.020 --> 00:22:14.100
  • When they had appointed
  • 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:15.090
  • a day for him, they came
  • 00:22:15.090 --> 00:22:16.290
  • to him at his lodging
  • 00:22:16.290 --> 00:22:18.110
  • in greater numbers."
  • 00:22:18.110 --> 00:22:19.140
  • So, even when he was
  • 00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:20.040
  • kept here in prison, he
  • 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:20.290
  • was allowed to be in a house,
  • 00:22:20.290 --> 00:22:22.170
  • and he paid for that for
  • 00:22:22.170 --> 00:22:23.220
  • 2 years out of his own money.
  • 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:25.220
  • He was in chains, and they had
  • 00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:27.090
  • a guard, but he wasn't
  • 00:22:27.090 --> 00:22:28.070
  • in a normal prison.
  • 00:22:28.070 --> 00:22:29.090
  • So, that's why he was allowed to
  • 00:22:29.090 --> 00:22:30.080
  • preach when he was here.
  • 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:31.100
  • So, God will use anything.
  • 00:22:31.100 --> 00:22:32.190
  • Again, because he was undaunted,
  • 00:22:32.190 --> 00:22:34.170
  • instead of going, "Look at what
  • 00:22:34.170 --> 00:22:36.200
  • has happened to me because
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.160
  • I am a follower of the way,"
  • 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:39.250
  • he turned it around.
  • 00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:41.230
  • "Oh no, I'll pay to be in house
  • 00:22:41.230 --> 00:22:44.130
  • arrest so that I can preach
  • 00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:45.240
  • the gospel.
  • 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:46.150
  • And that's kind of how I feel
  • 00:22:46.150 --> 00:22:47.200
  • even with my own story.
  • 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.230
  • God will use anything
  • 00:22:48.230 --> 00:22:49.170
  • if you let him.
  • 00:22:49.170 --> 00:22:50.200
  • You can turn it around into
  • 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.250
  • a preaching opportunity.
  • 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:53.080
  • So, then it says, "From morning
  • 00:22:53.110 --> 00:22:56.110
  • till evening, he expounded to
  • 00:22:56.110 --> 00:22:57.230
  • them, testifying to the kingdom
  • 00:22:57.230 --> 00:22:59.080
  • of God and trying to convince
  • 00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:00.290
  • them about Jesus, both from the
  • 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:02.130
  • Law of Moses and the prophets.
  • 00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:04.020
  • And some were convinced by what
  • 00:23:04.020 --> 00:23:05.180
  • he said," that was what was
  • 00:23:05.180 --> 00:23:07.050
  • powerful, "but others
  • 00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:08.240
  • disbelieved."
  • 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.140
  • And he goes on and
  • 00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:10.290
  • talks about the whole deal.
  • 00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:12.160
  • And then he goes into the--Luke
  • 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.190
  • tells us this is how the gospel
  • 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:15.120
  • started to spread
  • 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:16.130
  • amongst the Gentiles.
  • 00:23:16.130 --> 00:23:17.110
  • So, we're standing here,
  • 00:23:17.110 --> 00:23:18.200
  • and that's what was very moving
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.030
  • when you introduced the show,
  • 00:23:20.030 --> 00:23:21.100
  • the bells were going behind you.
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  • And I'm thinking it was because
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  • arrest for two solid years.
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  • He wouldn't have even known
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  • the seed that he was sowing
  • 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.290
  • back then, but God used all of
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  • that adversity.
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  • So, instead of him being daunted
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  • by being in prison, being
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  • daunted by the religious
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  • leaders, being daunted by
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  • the Jews that really were trying
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  • to destroy him and kill him, he
  • 00:23:42.010 --> 00:23:43.230
  • decided that greater was he that
  • 00:23:43.230 --> 00:23:45.120
  • was in him than he that was in
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  • the world, and he was going to
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  • use the very thing the enemy
  • 00:23:48.030 --> 00:23:49.050
  • meant for evil, turn it around,
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  • and work it together for good.
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  • And I think that is the lesson
  • 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:54.120
  • we can learn--and then, I mean,
  • 00:23:54.120 --> 00:23:55.270
  • obviously he wrote
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  • the book of Romans.
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  • I think he wrote--how
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  • do you say it in America?
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  • Philemon we would say it.
  • 00:24:01.020 --> 00:24:02.140
  • - Laurie: Philemon.
  • 00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:03.290
  • - Christine: Philemon, okay.
  • 00:24:03.290 --> 00:24:05.090
  • So, I tried to think how you
  • 00:24:05.090 --> 00:24:06.030
  • would say the book of Philemon,
  • 00:24:06.030 --> 00:24:07.220
  • Philippians, Colossians, and
  • 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:10.160
  • Ephesians, all while he was
  • 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:11.260
  • under house arrest here.
  • 00:24:11.260 --> 00:24:13.070
  • So, you think those letters, so,
  • 00:24:13.070 --> 00:24:14.160
  • Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon,
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  • how much they have impacted
  • 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:20.040
  • the world around us.
  • 00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:21.210
  • And so, what he used was
  • 00:24:21.210 --> 00:24:23.200
  • adverse situations.
  • 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.140
  • He decided to be undaunted, not
  • 00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:25.100
  • fear that, "I could be put to
  • 00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:27.010
  • death at any moment."
  • 00:24:27.010 --> 00:24:28.040
  • He really could have.
  • 00:24:28.040 --> 00:24:28.290
  • His life could have been taken,
  • 00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:30.100
  • but he turned all of that
  • 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:32.020
  • around, and the gospel from
  • 00:24:32.020 --> 00:24:33.140
  • here, not from right where we're
  • 00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:36.000
  • sitting, but from this very
  • 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.170
  • city, in Rome, spread throughout
  • 00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:40.040
  • all the Gentiles and spread
  • 00:24:40.040 --> 00:24:41.110
  • throughout the world.
  • 00:24:41.110 --> 00:24:42.120
  • And it would be just like God
  • 00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:43.130
  • because out of Rome was the
  • 00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:45.030
  • center of the empire.
  • 00:24:45.030 --> 00:24:45.290
  • So, the Roman road
  • 00:24:45.290 --> 00:24:47.250
  • from here to Constantinople,
  • 00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:50.040
  • the gospel was able to travel.
  • 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:51.200
  • It traveled out to the outermost
  • 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.100
  • parts of the earth
  • 00:24:53.100 --> 00:24:54.120
  • from right here.
  • 00:24:54.120 --> 00:24:55.270
  • So, what was house arrest, and
  • 00:24:55.270 --> 00:24:57.150
  • after 2 years we don't really
  • 00:24:57.150 --> 00:24:59.060
  • know what happened, but we
  • 00:24:59.060 --> 00:25:00.050
  • do know that he wrote
  • 00:25:00.050 --> 00:25:01.020
  • 4 of the epistles.
  • 00:25:01.020 --> 00:25:02.080
  • We do know that very significant
  • 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:04.010
  • people got converted in this
  • 00:25:04.010 --> 00:25:05.150
  • city, and the gospel
  • 00:25:05.150 --> 00:25:06.220
  • then was spread throughout
  • 00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:07.200
  • all of the Gentiles.
  • 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.180
  • And this is what
  • 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:09.060
  • I've discovered.
  • 00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:10.020
  • When the devil sends a spirit of
  • 00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:11.230
  • fear, it's always got to do with
  • 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:13.090
  • your purpose and your future.
  • 00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:14.190
  • So, he tried to stop Paul in
  • 00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:16.060
  • Jerusalem by sending fear and
  • 00:25:16.060 --> 00:25:17.260
  • having him taken, and arrested,
  • 00:25:17.260 --> 00:25:19.110
  • and beaten, and thrown out of
  • 00:25:19.110 --> 00:25:20.280
  • the--I mean, so many bad things
  • 00:25:20.280 --> 00:25:21.280
  • happened.
  • 00:25:21.280 --> 00:25:22.210
  • So, he could have been daunted
  • 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:24.000
  • by fear then, but he didn't let
  • 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.110
  • fear--in fact, he looked fear in
  • 00:25:25.110 --> 00:25:27.000
  • the face and he said, "No, I'm
  • 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:29.050
  • going go.
  • 00:25:29.050 --> 00:25:30.010
  • I'm appealing to a higher
  • 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:30.270
  • authority.
  • 00:25:30.270 --> 00:25:31.180
  • I'm a Roman citizen,
  • 00:25:31.180 --> 00:25:32.130
  • take me to Rome."
  • 00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:33.040
  • Nobody in their right mind
  • 00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:34.280
  • would have done that because
  • 00:25:34.280 --> 00:25:36.000
  • you would have thought,
  • 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:36.210
  • "I'm going to a certain death."
  • 00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:37.270
  • On top of that, he's under house
  • 00:25:37.270 --> 00:25:39.190
  • arrest and pays for it.
  • 00:25:39.190 --> 00:25:41.090
  • And then begins from morning to
  • 00:25:41.090 --> 00:25:42.240
  • night, Scripture tells us, to
  • 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:43.230
  • just preach the gospel, preach
  • 00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.020
  • the gospel.
  • 00:25:45.020 --> 00:25:45.220
  • Writes four epistles that we're
  • 00:25:45.220 --> 00:25:47.030
  • still reading to this very day,
  • 00:25:47.030 --> 00:25:48.190
  • and his letter to the Romans.
  • 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:50.240
  • And you go, "He just looked
  • 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.140
  • fear in the face."
  • 00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:54.230
  • And every--and I could say
  • 00:25:54.230 --> 00:25:55.250
  • in my life, you look now,
  • 00:25:55.250 --> 00:25:57.060
  • that we're rescuing, the
  • 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:00.140
  • women that we're helping through
  • 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:01.140
  • Propel, everything that the
  • 00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:02.200
  • enemy meant to destroy me,
  • 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.170
  • whether it was through abuse,
  • 00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:05.210
  • whether it was abandonment,
  • 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:07.180
  • that he sent with a spirit of
  • 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.100
  • fear to intimidate me--because
  • 00:26:11.100 --> 00:26:12.280
  • that's what fear does.
  • 00:26:12.280 --> 00:26:13.230
  • All those words you use to
  • 00:26:13.230 --> 00:26:14.210
  • describe us,
  • 00:26:14.210 --> 00:26:15.200
  • it is to intimidate us.
  • 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.190
  • And I would like to say to
  • 00:26:16.190 --> 00:26:17.280
  • anybody watching this,
  • 00:26:17.280 --> 00:26:19.150
  • understand that wherever fear is
  • 00:26:19.150 --> 00:26:21.170
  • striking you, it's because
  • 00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:23.030
  • the enemy wants to stop you, and
  • 00:26:23.030 --> 00:26:24.140
  • paralyze you, and cripple you
  • 00:26:24.140 --> 00:26:26.020
  • there so that you won't step
  • 00:26:26.020 --> 00:26:27.140
  • into your God-given destiny
  • 00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:28.220
  • and your God-given future.
  • 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:29.270
  • It's always got to do with your
  • 00:26:29.270 --> 00:26:30.290
  • assignment, and he'll always
  • 00:26:30.290 --> 00:26:32.150
  • come to the place that God
  • 00:26:32.150 --> 00:26:33.290
  • will turn that you feel
  • 00:26:33.290 --> 00:26:35.090
  • is your greatest weakness.
  • 00:26:35.090 --> 00:26:36.120
  • And that he will intimidate you,
  • 00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:37.280
  • he will send fear, and that's
  • 00:26:37.280 --> 00:26:39.270
  • the very thing that God wants to
  • 00:26:39.270 --> 00:26:41.090
  • be shown strong in.
  • 00:26:41.090 --> 00:26:42.240
  • And I've found that in my life
  • 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.090
  • time and time again.
  • 00:26:44.090 --> 00:26:45.040
  • The Apostle Paul, we see it in
  • 00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:46.230
  • the New Testament in all
  • 00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:47.170
  • the letters that he wrote.
  • 00:26:47.170 --> 00:26:49.010
  • He took a situation that was,
  • 00:26:49.010 --> 00:26:50.120
  • like, near certain death, he
  • 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:51.200
  • goes, "But you didn't put me to
  • 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.130
  • death." But they could have.
  • 00:26:52.130 --> 00:26:53.060
  • And he just made a decision,
  • 00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:54.270
  • "Well, if I die, I die."
  • 00:26:54.270 --> 00:26:56.020
  • You can't kill a dead man
  • 00:26:56.020 --> 00:26:57.250
  • anyway, he was already dead.
  • 00:26:57.250 --> 00:26:59.130
  • And so, if you make that
  • 00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:00.280
  • decision--and people now say to
  • 00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:02.030
  • me, "Christine, why do you not
  • 00:27:02.030 --> 00:27:04.070
  • fear when you put traffickers in
  • 00:27:04.070 --> 00:27:05.060
  • jail, when you're fighting to
  • 00:27:05.060 --> 00:27:06.190
  • rescue children and women?"
  • 00:27:06.190 --> 00:27:08.060
  • And you know, we're talking--I
  • 00:27:08.060 --> 00:27:09.080
  • mean, Italy, we're talking about
  • 00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:10.230
  • the Mafia, we're talking
  • 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:11.270
  • about--you know, I mean, we're
  • 00:27:11.270 --> 00:27:13.040
  • talking about crime rings.
  • 00:27:13.040 --> 00:27:15.160
  • And it's called organized crime
  • 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.100
  • because it's organized.
  • 00:27:17.100 --> 00:27:18.190
  • It's very--there is a reason.
  • 00:27:18.190 --> 00:27:20.190
  • And many times people say to me,
  • 00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:23.190
  • "What about--aren't you fearful?
  • 00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:24.140
  • You have a family."
  • 00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:25.180
  • And I go, "You know what?
  • 00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:26.220
  • The fact is the devil has come
  • 00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:28.060
  • and I'm still here."
  • 00:27:28.060 --> 00:27:30.270
  • That's all I can say
  • 00:27:30.270 --> 00:27:31.180
  • to you is the devil,
  • 00:27:31.180 --> 00:27:32.150
  • on his best day, did not take
  • 00:27:32.150 --> 00:27:34.140
  • me out on my worst day.
  • 00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:36.060
  • I've had some bad days, but on
  • 00:27:36.060 --> 00:27:37.130
  • his best day, he didn't kill me
  • 00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:39.190
  • on my worst day.
  • 00:27:39.190 --> 00:27:40.110
  • I'm still here, I'm still
  • 00:27:40.110 --> 00:27:41.110
  • fighting, and God's not given me
  • 00:27:41.110 --> 00:27:42.220
  • a spirit of fear."
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  • everybody.
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  • If you just tuned in, this is
  • 00:28:22.040 --> 00:28:23.140
  • a rather glorious kind of
  • 00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:25.260
  • afternoon here in Rome, Italy.
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  • And we're kind of moving into
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  • the second part of our
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  • discussion in regard to
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  • "Undaunted."
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  • And the first piece,
  • 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:37.060
  • I have a couple of comments,
  • 00:28:37.060 --> 00:28:38.180
  • and then I want to
  • 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:39.190
  • read a little piece.
  • 00:28:39.190 --> 00:28:40.060
  • we were doing a music video,
  • 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.020
  • you know?
  • 00:28:44.020 --> 00:28:44.260
  • It was kind of like
  • 00:28:44.260 --> 00:28:45.230
  • the Christine Cain music video.
  • 00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:47.060
  • If we slowed everything down,
  • 00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:49.170
  • and your hair was blowing, and
  • 00:28:49.170 --> 00:28:50.280
  • then put some 70s rock music, it
  • 00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:53.020
  • would kind of be the music
  • 00:28:53.020 --> 00:28:54.170
  • video.
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  • So, Jenna, let's do that just
  • 00:28:55.180 --> 00:28:58.160
  • So, Jenna, let's do that just
  • 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.250
  • [m
  • 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:00.260
  • [mus
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  • [music
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  • - Matt: So, it is--it is
  • 00:29:10.210 --> 00:29:13.210
  • an afternoon, it is a beautiful
  • 00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:16.140
  • here, and we're talking about
  • 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.160
  • a much bigger subject
  • 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.120
  • than most people realize.
  • 00:29:21.120 --> 00:29:22.210
  • We're talking about
  • 00:29:22.210 --> 00:29:24.060
  • living a life undaunted.
  • 00:29:24.060 --> 00:29:26.040
  • The bells of Rome are ringing.
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  • This is the Piazza del Popolo
  • 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.140
  • behind us.
  • 00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:35.180
  • I don't know the name of the
  • 00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:37.080
  • but the Via del Corso runs down
  • 00:29:39.280 --> 00:29:41.230
  • to the Victor Emmanuel.
  • 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:43.140
  • Anyway, Rome is an amazing city.
  • 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.160
  • The Apostle Paul
  • 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.120
  • and the "Undaunted" book kind of
  • 00:29:48.120 --> 00:29:51.040
  • have a connection here.
  • 00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:52.090
  • And we thought it'd be a perfect
  • 00:29:52.090 --> 00:29:54.140
  • location to bring this subject
  • 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.160
  • to you.
  • 00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.100
  • And so, ultimately, let
  • 00:29:59.100 --> 00:30:01.100
  • me just open the book.
  • 00:30:01.100 --> 00:30:02.240
  • And on page 98, as the bells are
  • 00:30:04.110 --> 00:30:07.110
  • tolling in the background,
  • 00:30:07.110 --> 00:30:09.210
  • I just want to read just for
  • 00:30:09.210 --> 00:30:10.220
  • a second.
  • 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:11.260
  • "For each of us, as for the
  • 00:30:11.260 --> 00:30:13.250
  • disciples, walking unknowingly
  • 00:30:13.250 --> 00:30:15.100
  • with Jesus, they headed to
  • 00:30:15.100 --> 00:30:17.000
  • Emmaus.
  • 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:17.230
  • There was so much more waiting
  • 00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:19.260
  • There are appointments that God
  • 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:24.000
  • has destined.
  • 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.190
  • There are good works for each of
  • 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:27.150
  • us to do.
  • 00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:28.120
  • And isn't it interesting that
  • 00:30:28.120 --> 00:30:30.060
  • the word 'appointment' comes
  • 00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:32.080
  • from and within the word
  • 00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:34.130
  • 'disappointment.'
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  • I've often marveled
  • 00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:36.290
  • at that because I've
  • 00:30:36.290 --> 00:30:38.230
  • seen it again how
  • 00:30:38.230 --> 00:30:39.290
  • disappointments take something
  • 00:30:39.290 --> 00:30:41.220
  • from us, a dream, a piece of our
  • 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.290
  • heart, maybe even
  • 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:45.010
  • a whole chunk of it.
  • 00:30:45.010 --> 00:30:45.280
  • But disappointments leave
  • 00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:47.230
  • something too, a gift, an
  • 00:30:47.230 --> 00:30:49.180
  • opportunity, a possibility to
  • 00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:51.230
  • create change, to move from the
  • 00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:54.090
  • valley of the shadow of death to
  • 00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:56.130
  • with us on that road."
  • 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.090
  • That's really kind
  • 00:31:00.090 --> 00:31:01.230
  • of what needs to happen.
  • 00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:03.090
  • That book can help people
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  • do that.
  • 00:31:05.170 --> 00:31:06.110
  • This book helps.
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  • - Christine: Well, that's the
  • 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.070
  • bottom line is because I think a
  • 00:31:08.070 --> 00:31:09.230
  • lot of times, we spend our life
  • 00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:11.230
  • focusing on our disappointments,
  • 00:31:11.230 --> 00:31:13.160
  • what didn't happen, what did we
  • 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.070
  • I've found, in my experience, a
  • 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:19.090
  • divine appointment on the other
  • 00:31:19.090 --> 00:31:21.030
  • side of disappointment.
  • 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:22.110
  • And if you get stuck, again,
  • 00:31:22.110 --> 00:31:24.030
  • that's what happens with fear or
  • 00:31:24.030 --> 00:31:25.180
  • loss, you just get stuck, you
  • 00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:27.220
  • get paralyzed, you get crippled.
  • 00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:29.100
  • That's what the enemy wants to
  • 00:31:29.100 --> 00:31:30.030
  • do each and every time because
  • 00:31:30.030 --> 00:31:31.260
  • he knows if you keep going, even
  • 00:31:31.260 --> 00:31:33.160
  • if you carry that disappointment
  • 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.030
  • for a while, but if you keep
  • 00:31:35.030 --> 00:31:36.230
  • going, on the other side there
  • 00:31:36.230 --> 00:31:38.200
  • is the God appointment
  • 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:39.290
  • 100%, every time.
  • 00:31:39.290 --> 00:31:41.250
  • It's not that God's not in your
  • 00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:42.250
  • future.
  • 00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:43.170
  • So, he's already there.
  • 00:31:43.170 --> 00:31:45.020
  • So, many of us, we miss our God
  • 00:31:45.020 --> 00:31:47.110
  • appointments because we get
  • 00:31:47.110 --> 00:31:48.220
  • stuck at the mountain of
  • 00:31:48.220 --> 00:31:49.260
  • disappointment.
  • 00:31:49.260 --> 00:31:50.220
  • And that's really what happened
  • 00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:51.250
  • those two people walking.
  • 00:31:54.090 --> 00:31:56.060
  • They were so disappointed with
  • 00:31:56.060 --> 00:31:58.050
  • what had happened, they thought
  • 00:31:58.050 --> 00:31:59.210
  • Jesus was the Messiah, they
  • 00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:01.000
  • thought that he was the--he was
  • 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.050
  • the one, the king of the Jews.
  • 00:32:02.050 --> 00:32:04.000
  • And then Jesus is walking with
  • 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.040
  • them.
  • 00:32:06.040 --> 00:32:06.200
  • So, this is what happens.
  • 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.120
  • When you are so gripped by
  • 00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:08.140
  • disappointment, Jesus could be
  • 00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:10.040
  • right in your midst, but you're
  • 00:32:10.040 --> 00:32:11.020
  • not going to see him.
  • 00:32:11.020 --> 00:32:12.000
  • And how many times has that
  • 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.180
  • happened to so many of us?
  • 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:14.210
  • You stop and Jesus is there, and
  • 00:32:14.210 --> 00:32:16.220
  • you don't see him because all
  • 00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:18.040
  • you are focusing on is what
  • 00:32:18.040 --> 00:32:20.020
  • you've lost, what's not there,
  • 00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:22.030
  • what didn't happen,
  • 00:32:22.030 --> 00:32:23.040
  • what I didn't get.
  • 00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:24.040
  • And God goes, "Would you just
  • 00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:26.050
  • understand I will never leave
  • 00:32:26.050 --> 00:32:27.040
  • you or forsake you?
  • 00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:28.050
  • So, if you can find me
  • 00:32:28.050 --> 00:32:29.200
  • in the midst of it."
  • 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:30.180
  • If we find God in
  • 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:31.100
  • the midst of all of our
  • 00:32:31.100 --> 00:32:32.140
  • circumstances, that's how we
  • 00:32:32.140 --> 00:32:33.060
  • live undaunted because, you
  • 00:32:33.060 --> 00:32:34.080
  • know, whatever is taken from me,
  • 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:36.090
  • I think the greatest promise in
  • 00:32:36.090 --> 00:32:37.130
  • the whole Bible is when God
  • 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.140
  • says, "I will never leave you
  • 00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:40.130
  • nor forsake you."
  • 00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:41.290
  • I don't think
  • 00:32:41.290 --> 00:32:42.180
  • we understand the power of that.
  • 00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:44.020
  • The Lord said it Joshua, "I'll
  • 00:32:44.020 --> 00:32:44.260
  • never leave you or forsake you."
  • 00:32:44.260 --> 00:32:46.100
  • Whoever he has commanded,
  • 00:32:46.100 --> 00:32:48.090
  • "Go forward and take the land,
  • 00:32:48.090 --> 00:32:49.240
  • I will always be with you,
  • 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:50.280
  • I will never leave you.
  • 00:32:50.280 --> 00:32:52.040
  • Don't forget, I'm always there."
  • 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:53.220
  • And of course, through his Word,
  • 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:54.200
  • he's with us all the time.
  • 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:55.200
  • Through the power of his Spirit,
  • 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.210
  • he lives on the inside of us.
  • 00:32:56.210 --> 00:32:57.290
  • If we would focus more on the
  • 00:32:57.290 --> 00:32:59.160
  • God that has stayed with us and
  • 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.070
  • less on the people who have left
  • 00:33:01.070 --> 00:33:03.070
  • us, or disappointed us, or hurt
  • 00:33:03.070 --> 00:33:04.270
  • us, then we would fulfill
  • 00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:06.220
  • our destiny.
  • 00:33:06.220 --> 00:33:07.180
  • The thing that I chose to
  • 00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:08.190
  • do--because here's the truth,
  • 00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:09.240
  • Matt and Laurie.
  • 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:10.230
  • You know, say--one example, I
  • 00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:12.070
  • was abused for 12 years.
  • 00:33:12.070 --> 00:33:13.110
  • Nothing will ever change that,
  • 00:33:13.110 --> 00:33:14.160
  • nothing.
  • 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.240
  • But the fact is I'm 50 years
  • 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.040
  • old, which means I haven't been
  • 00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:18.260
  • being abused for 38 years.
  • 00:33:18.260 --> 00:33:20.210
  • Why would I allow--the devil
  • 00:33:20.210 --> 00:33:22.120
  • already stole enough.
  • 00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:23.180
  • Why would I give him any more
  • 00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:25.070
  • than he has stolen?
  • 00:33:25.070 --> 00:33:26.090
  • And this is what happens to us,
  • 00:33:26.090 --> 00:33:27.060
  • we get stuck in one moment of
  • 00:33:27.060 --> 00:33:28.080
  • pain.
  • 00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:29.110
  • It could be a chapter, it could
  • 00:33:29.110 --> 00:33:30.160
  • be a season, it could be a year.
  • 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:31.270
  • But we allow that one moment,
  • 00:33:31.270 --> 00:33:32.250
  • that chapter, that season, that
  • 00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:34.050
  • year to define our whole life.
  • 00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:37.080
  • The fact is I haven't been being
  • 00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:38.090
  • abused for a whole lot longer
  • 00:33:38.090 --> 00:33:39.180
  • than I have.
  • 00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:41.000
  • So, why would I not focus on all
  • 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.120
  • the good that God has done
  • 00:33:42.120 --> 00:33:44.010
  • rather than all the negativity,
  • 00:33:44.010 --> 00:33:45.180
  • and the fear,
  • 00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.000
  • and all that comes with that?
  • 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.260
  • You know, I could--Nick could be
  • 00:33:48.260 --> 00:33:49.270
  • paying for something he never
  • 00:33:49.270 --> 00:33:51.050
  • did to me just because I decided
  • 00:33:51.050 --> 00:33:52.240
  • to get fixated in one season of
  • 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.030
  • my life.
  • 00:33:54.030 --> 00:33:55.140
  • And my daughters could have a
  • 00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:56.260
  • mother that is, you know, rather
  • 00:33:56.260 --> 00:33:58.100
  • than a bold, confident,
  • 00:33:58.100 --> 00:34:00.030
  • audacious, all those wonderful
  • 00:34:00.030 --> 00:34:01.180
  • words that you said, mother--
  • 00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:02.290
  • - Matt: Undaunted in temper,
  • 00:34:02.290 --> 00:34:04.060
  • bold, valiant, brave, gutsy,
  • 00:34:04.060 --> 00:34:05.210
  • spunky, ballsy,
  • 00:34:05.210 --> 00:34:07.140
  • feisty, and cocky.
  • 00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.020
  • - Christine: I claim them all.
  • 00:34:09.020 --> 00:34:10.190
  • But imagine they could have had
  • 00:34:10.190 --> 00:34:11.240
  • a mother that was gripped by
  • 00:34:11.240 --> 00:34:12.210
  • intimidation, by fear.
  • 00:34:12.210 --> 00:34:14.130
  • How many women with my kind of
  • 00:34:14.130 --> 00:34:15.070
  • background have spent their
  • 00:34:15.070 --> 00:34:16.190
  • whole life medicated, or their
  • 00:34:16.190 --> 00:34:18.060
  • whole life living in
  • 00:34:18.060 --> 00:34:19.270
  • intimidation and fear because
  • 00:34:19.270 --> 00:34:21.240
  • they've allowed what someone did
  • 00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:23.190
  • maybe 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago
  • 00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:25.220
  • to define their entire life?
  • 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.000
  • The fact is there's a whole lot
  • 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.080
  • more good and God in my life
  • 00:34:30.080 --> 00:34:32.060
  • than there was bad.
  • 00:34:32.060 --> 00:34:33.160
  • And so, it doesn't mean
  • 00:34:33.160 --> 00:34:35.220
  • we are exempt from it.
  • 00:34:35.220 --> 00:34:36.170
  • We have to change our
  • 00:34:36.170 --> 00:34:37.080
  • perspective.
  • 00:34:37.080 --> 00:34:37.290
  • That's really how you live
  • 00:34:37.290 --> 00:34:38.250
  • undaunted, you change
  • 00:34:38.250 --> 00:34:40.040
  • your focus.
  • 00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:41.130
  • So instead of--
  • 00:34:41.130 --> 00:34:42.080
  • - Laurie: Focusing on
  • 00:34:42.080 --> 00:34:43.070
  • ourselves.
  • 00:34:43.070 --> 00:34:43.250
  • - Christine: Oh, that's what
  • 00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:44.270
  • happens is we get fixated.
  • 00:34:44.270 --> 00:34:46.140
  • And that's what the devil loves
  • 00:34:46.140 --> 00:34:47.270
  • to do.
  • 00:34:47.270 --> 00:34:48.200
  • "If I can get you fixated on
  • 00:34:48.200 --> 00:34:49.270
  • what happened to you, or what
  • 00:34:49.270 --> 00:34:51.150
  • you don't have, or what you
  • 00:34:51.150 --> 00:34:53.120
  • lost."
  • 00:34:53.120 --> 00:34:54.180
  • There it is, me, me, me.
  • 00:34:54.180 --> 00:34:56.010
  • My mama Joyce, you know, my
  • 00:34:56.010 --> 00:34:57.140
  • spiritual mama is Joyce Meyer,
  • 00:34:57.140 --> 00:34:58.230
  • as soon as you did that, I
  • 00:34:58.230 --> 00:34:59.200
  • thought of her robot.
  • 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:00.120
  • Like, "Me, me, me,
  • 00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:01.090
  • what about me?
  • 00:35:01.090 --> 00:35:01.270
  • What about me?
  • 00:35:01.270 --> 00:35:02.130
  • What about me?"
  • 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:03.010
  • And I don't have her anointing,
  • 00:35:03.010 --> 00:35:03.230
  • but you know?
  • 00:35:03.230 --> 00:35:04.240
  • And that's where the devil wins
  • 00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:06.180
  • because it's self is at the root
  • 00:35:06.180 --> 00:35:07.210
  • of it.
  • 00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:08.150
  • Whereas what--living undaunted
  • 00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:10.080
  • and living fearless, it doesn't
  • 00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:11.230
  • mean that I think I'm great.
  • 00:35:11.230 --> 00:35:13.010
  • I have no power,
  • 00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:14.180
  • I'm just Christine.
  • 00:35:14.180 --> 00:35:15.190
  • I am in the natural the kid that
  • 00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:17.290
  • was left in the hospital.
  • 00:35:17.290 --> 00:35:19.000
  • I am in the natural the kid that
  • 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.130
  • has no name on my birth
  • 00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:21.240
  • certificate.
  • 00:35:21.240 --> 00:35:22.170
  • But in Christ, greater is he
  • 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.280
  • that is in me than he that is in
  • 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.120
  • the world.
  • 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:28.020
  • Christ in me is--that's what
  • 00:35:28.020 --> 00:35:30.050
  • Paul writes.
  • 00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:31.020
  • "Christ in me is the hope of
  • 00:35:31.020 --> 00:35:32.060
  • glory," I might be in chains,
  • 00:35:32.060 --> 00:35:33.180
  • but I'm not fearful because
  • 00:35:33.180 --> 00:35:35.040
  • Christ in me is the hope of
  • 00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:36.190
  • glory.
  • 00:35:36.190 --> 00:35:37.160
  • And if more believers would
  • 00:35:37.160 --> 00:35:38.200
  • believe, if more--we have too
  • 00:35:38.200 --> 00:35:40.230
  • many unbelieving believers.
  • 00:35:40.230 --> 00:35:42.070
  • We need some believers like
  • 00:35:42.070 --> 00:35:43.200
  • Paul, that go, "I might be in
  • 00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:44.270
  • chains," and we have a lot of
  • 00:35:44.270 --> 00:35:46.130
  • those kind of believers in
  • 00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:47.080
  • countries that are being
  • 00:35:47.080 --> 00:35:48.050
  • persecuted not far from here
  • 00:35:48.050 --> 00:35:49.060
  • right now.
  • 00:35:49.060 --> 00:35:50.030
  • - Matt: I want you to--I want
  • 00:35:50.030 --> 00:35:51.050
  • you to jump into something
  • 00:35:51.050 --> 00:35:53.010
  • because, you know, as you've
  • 00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:54.120
  • been preaching, kind of the
  • 00:35:54.120 --> 00:35:56.280
  • music video version of
  • 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.150
  • Christine Caine, and the--I've
  • 00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:02.160
  • been thinking about my own
  • 00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:05.170
  • upbringing.
  • 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:08.070
  • My grandfather had a very common
  • 00:36:08.070 --> 00:36:10.130
  • saying, who was a minister of
  • 00:36:10.130 --> 00:36:13.060
  • the gospel, my grandfather on my
  • 00:36:13.060 --> 00:36:14.250
  • mom's side.
  • 00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:15.290
  • And my--both of my grandfathers
  • 00:36:15.290 --> 00:36:18.010
  • were on both sides, but my
  • 00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:19.170
  • grandfather on my mother's side
  • 00:36:19.170 --> 00:36:21.110
  • said a very famous, kind of
  • 00:36:21.110 --> 00:36:23.070
  • patriarchal quote in our family,
  • 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:25.280
  • "You are immortal until God's
  • 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.180
  • finished with you."
  • 00:36:28.180 --> 00:36:29.200
  • And so, I grew up with that kind
  • 00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:32.130
  • of attitude that we're just
  • 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:35.010
  • going to go.
  • 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:36.280
  • And when a door opens for
  • 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:37.230
  • Christian TV, we're going to go,
  • 00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:39.120
  • we're going to go.
  • 00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:40.160
  • I've been to many warzones, I've
  • 00:36:40.160 --> 00:36:42.050
  • been to active combat warzones,
  • 00:36:42.050 --> 00:36:43.200
  • I've been many places like that.
  • 00:36:43.200 --> 00:36:45.030
  • But yet, this unique twist
  • 00:36:46.140 --> 00:36:49.140
  • touched my own family.
  • 00:36:49.140 --> 00:36:51.110
  • I don't know how that happened,
  • 00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:54.110
  • and I don't know how even being
  • 00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:56.260
  • married to someone that
  • 00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:58.230
  • the patriarchal statement of our
  • 00:36:58.230 --> 00:37:01.250
  • family is you're immortal until
  • 00:37:01.250 --> 00:37:02.170
  • God's done with you, how that
  • 00:37:02.170 --> 00:37:04.210
  • touched--it's a--so, obviously
  • 00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:08.160
  • there's a subtlety to it that
  • 00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:10.110
  • maybe you should talk to the
  • 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:12.240
  • people that least--
  • 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:14.190
  • - Laurie: But I think I had to
  • 00:37:14.190 --> 00:37:16.100
  • go through that because I
  • 00:37:16.100 --> 00:37:17.090
  • had--now I have compassion,
  • 00:37:17.090 --> 00:37:19.120
  • I know where people are.
  • 00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:21.080
  • See, I knew what--I knew what
  • 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:23.010
  • was going to get me out of it
  • 00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:24.080
  • because I had the Word
  • 00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:25.090
  • inside of me.
  • 00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:26.000
  • So I knew, but it was like,
  • 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.150
  • "Okay, if I need to experience
  • 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:29.050
  • this for a moment."
  • 00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:29.270
  • - Christine: And I think Paul
  • 00:37:29.270 --> 00:37:30.290
  • tells us that all the way
  • 00:37:30.290 --> 00:37:31.290
  • through Scripture.
  • 00:37:31.290 --> 00:37:32.210
  • Sometimes, I think we think the
  • 00:37:32.210 --> 00:37:33.170
  • victory is that nothing
  • 00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:35.200
  • ever happens to us.
  • 00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:36.220
  • The fact is that's not
  • 00:37:36.220 --> 00:37:37.180
  • the victory.
  • 00:37:37.180 --> 00:37:38.080
  • Like, how on earth do we connect
  • 00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:39.130
  • with broken people?
  • 00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:40.260
  • How on earth do we connect with
  • 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:42.090
  • lost people?
  • 00:37:42.090 --> 00:37:43.170
  • Here's the powerful thing.
  • 00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:44.140
  • Because I've got--okay, I come
  • 00:37:44.140 --> 00:37:46.140
  • from my background, but of
  • 00:37:46.140 --> 00:37:47.120
  • course I'm raising my daughters
  • 00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:48.260
  • the way you were raised, in
  • 00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:50.210
  • that.
  • 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:51.080
  • And both of you were raised with
  • 00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:52.010
  • the word of faith, with the Word
  • 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:52.280
  • in them.
  • 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:53.200
  • I remember Catherine came home
  • 00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.040
  • from a youth camp, my eldest,
  • 00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:56.250
  • 15-year-old.
  • 00:37:56.250 --> 00:37:58.030
  • And she looked at me very--and
  • 00:37:58.030 --> 00:38:00.090
  • she said, "Mommy, will God ever
  • 00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:01.250
  • be able to use me?"
  • 00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:03.040
  • I said, "What do you mean?"
  • 00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:04.080
  • She goes, "Well, I've never
  • 00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:06.060
  • really gone through anything.
  • 00:38:06.060 --> 00:38:07.070
  • And today, the preacher at youth
  • 00:38:07.070 --> 00:38:08.230
  • was talking about their story."
  • 00:38:08.230 --> 00:38:10.180
  • And of course, she's got me as
  • 00:38:10.180 --> 00:38:12.060
  • a mother, so I've got my story.
  • 00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:13.280
  • And it made me realize both
  • 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.040
  • ways, because of course I'm a
  • 00:38:16.040 --> 00:38:17.160
  • first generation Christian and
  • 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:19.000
  • I'm raising a world changer.
  • 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.230
  • So, I realized and I said to
  • 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:22.230
  • her, "Honey, there is no--God
  • 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:24.180
  • uses everybody.
  • 00:38:24.180 --> 00:38:26.000
  • You don't have to have that kind
  • 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.160
  • of negativity," I said, "But I
  • 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:28.220
  • will promise you one thing, God
  • 00:38:28.220 --> 00:38:30.040
  • will also let you feel certain
  • 00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.270
  • things, but you have now--" Like
  • 00:38:31.270 --> 00:38:33.190
  • you had, "You have the keys on
  • 00:38:33.190 --> 00:38:35.020
  • how you're going to overcome
  • 00:38:35.020 --> 00:38:36.100
  • that."
  • 00:38:36.100 --> 00:38:36.250
  • I said, "So, you don't
  • 00:38:36.250 --> 00:38:37.250
  • need to be pressed down."
  • 00:38:37.250 --> 00:38:38.240
  • So Paul,
  • 00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:39.200
  • how many times does Paul say,
  • 00:38:39.200 --> 00:38:40.210
  • "Oh, I was perplexed, but I
  • 00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:42.190
  • wasn't shaken.
  • 00:38:42.190 --> 00:38:43.190
  • We were shipwrecked, but we were
  • 00:38:43.190 --> 00:38:44.170
  • full of faith."
  • 00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:45.240
  • So, it's not that things
  • 00:38:45.240 --> 00:38:47.060
  • won't hit you,
  • 00:38:47.060 --> 00:38:48.060
  • it's just you know how to
  • 00:38:48.060 --> 00:38:48.270
  • respond when they do,
  • 00:38:48.270 --> 00:38:50.060
  • that's the difference.
  • 00:38:50.060 --> 00:38:50.260
  • - Laurie: We're all required to
  • 00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:51.180
  • live by faith.
  • 00:38:51.180 --> 00:38:52.010
  • - Christine: All of us.
  • 00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:52.240
  • Otherwise, why would you need
  • 00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:53.150
  • faith?
  • 00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:54.080
  • If you didn't know what fear
  • 00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:55.100
  • was, how would you even know how
  • 00:38:55.100 --> 00:38:56.170
  • to respond in faith to fear?
  • 00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:59.010
  • And so, I think what the purpose
  • 00:38:59.010 --> 00:39:00.260
  • of this show is is to give
  • 00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:02.160
  • people--because the world is not
  • 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:04.040
  • giving people hope.
  • 00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:05.050
  • We are medicating people and
  • 00:39:05.050 --> 00:39:06.280
  • saying, "Let's numb it, have an
  • 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.000
  • extra glass of wine, pop a pill,
  • 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.240
  • try to forget about it because
  • 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:12.130
  • the world's really bad."
  • 00:39:12.130 --> 00:39:14.030
  • What we're saying is
  • 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:15.040
  • through Christ.
  • 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:16.030
  • And really Paul said that.
  • 00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:17.060
  • It doesn't mean you're going to
  • 00:39:17.060 --> 00:39:18.090
  • be exempt from situations, but
  • 00:39:18.090 --> 00:39:19.260
  • we're going to give you keys.
  • 00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:20.260
  • And really that's what that
  • 00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:21.270
  • whole book's about.
  • 00:39:21.270 --> 00:39:22.210
  • I'm going to give you keys on
  • 00:39:22.210 --> 00:39:23.210
  • how to come out of this.
  • 00:39:23.210 --> 00:39:24.200
  • I'm going to give you keys on
  • 00:39:24.200 --> 00:39:25.280
  • how to overcome it because it
  • 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.090
  • will hit you.
  • 00:39:27.090 --> 00:39:28.130
  • And there are things that, to
  • 00:39:28.130 --> 00:39:29.170
  • this day, I still feel the fear
  • 00:39:29.170 --> 00:39:31.070
  • and do it anyway.
  • 00:39:31.070 --> 00:39:32.140
  • So, it doesn't say I will never
  • 00:39:32.140 --> 00:39:33.260
  • feel fear.
  • 00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:34.280
  • It's just when it hits me, I
  • 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.140
  • know that God--I know where it's
  • 00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:37.260
  • from.
  • 00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:38.220
  • The source is not from God.
  • 00:39:38.220 --> 00:39:39.120
  • - Matt: We are talking about
  • 00:39:39.120 --> 00:39:40.090
  • and we are sitting on a
  • 00:39:43.100 --> 00:39:44.240
  • beautiful afternoon here.
  • 00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:46.180
  • And Christine, as we approach
  • 00:39:46.180 --> 00:39:48.170
  • the end of this program, I
  • 00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:50.150
  • certainly want you to start
  • 00:39:50.150 --> 00:39:52.100
  • winding this up and getting it
  • 00:39:52.100 --> 00:39:54.050
  • out so I know that people are
  • 00:39:54.050 --> 00:39:55.200
  • going to covet prayer
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  • in regard to this.
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  • And what an amazing place
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  • and time to pray.
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  • We're talking about the book
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  • "Undaunted."
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  • Christine Caine, discussing her
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  • remarkable book "Undaunted:
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  • Daring to Do What God Calls You
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  • - Matt: The sun is starting to
  • 00:40:32.220 --> 00:40:34.260
  • set behind a little bit of
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  • a cloud here on
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  • a beautiful afternoon.
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  • We're talking about "Undaunted,"
  • 00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:41.280
  • living boldly into the future,
  • 00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:45.070
  • daring to do what God calls you
  • 00:40:45.070 --> 00:40:46.120
  • to do.
  • 00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:47.280
  • Aptly, we're shooting this
  • 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.120
  • program sitting basically
  • 00:40:50.270 --> 00:40:53.270
  • on a ledge.
  • 00:40:53.270 --> 00:40:54.270
  • Why not?
  • 00:40:54.270 --> 00:40:56.120
  • Why not shoot "Undaunted" on
  • 00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:59.130
  • the ledge of a balcony where,
  • 00:41:00.060 --> 00:41:03.060
  • technically, you could fall off
  • 00:41:03.060 --> 00:41:05.210
  • and die, you know?
  • 00:41:05.210 --> 00:41:06.280
  • - Laurie: The wind gusts
  • 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.200
  • too hard, we're gone.
  • 00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:09.150
  • - Matt: It brings a little bit
  • 00:41:09.150 --> 00:41:10.150
  • of that gutsy thing out in you.
  • 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:12.040
  • It's just kind of awesome.
  • 00:41:12.040 --> 00:41:13.210
  • Okay, Christine, I want you to
  • 00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:16.210
  • kind of do your closing
  • 00:41:17.250 --> 00:41:20.250
  • And the subject matter, as we've
  • 00:41:24.100 --> 00:41:26.250
  • discussed, comes because of
  • 00:41:27.100 --> 00:41:30.100
  • brokenness, comes out of nowhere
  • 00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:33.030
  • to families that it shouldn't.
  • 00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:35.190
  • It will attach itself
  • 00:41:35.190 --> 00:41:37.150
  • to many things.
  • 00:41:37.150 --> 00:41:38.250
  • So there's--
  • 00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:39.140
  • - Christine: There's no
  • 00:41:39.140 --> 00:41:40.110
  • preference.
  • 00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:41.030
  • - Matt: There is a swath of
  • 00:41:41.030 --> 00:41:43.060
  • people that this is touching.
  • 00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:46.090
  • We all want to--in essence,
  • 00:41:46.090 --> 00:41:49.050
  • really it's almost like this
  • 00:41:49.050 --> 00:41:50.270
  • subject, the subject of grace,
  • 00:41:50.270 --> 00:41:53.240
  • through basically letting it
  • 00:41:53.240 --> 00:41:56.220
  • destroy fear because we want to
  • 00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:59.010
  • stop thinking about ourselves,
  • 00:41:59.010 --> 00:42:01.210
  • and we want to just go and do
  • 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:02.200
  • what God's called us to do.
  • 00:42:02.200 --> 00:42:04.030
  • Let's be immortal until God is
  • 00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:06.080
  • done with us.
  • 00:42:06.080 --> 00:42:07.170
  • And so, just kind of wrap up, do
  • 00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:10.160
  • your thing, and then as you
  • 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:12.000
  • would and will, and take your
  • 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.230
  • liberty, please, to pray for
  • 00:42:13.230 --> 00:42:15.170
  • the audience.
  • 00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:16.060
  • Do the--all you ever want,
  • 00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:19.080
  • Christine, as the final word.
  • 00:42:19.080 --> 00:42:21.090
  • - Christine: You know, I love
  • 00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:24.030
  • it because in the book of
  • 00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:25.010
  • Romans, right there in chapter
  • 00:42:25.010 --> 00:42:26.150
  • 1, Paul says, "First, I thank my
  • 00:42:26.150 --> 00:42:27.260
  • God through Jesus Christ for all
  • 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:29.040
  • of you because your faith is
  • 00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:30.020
  • proclaimed in all the world.
  • 00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:32.130
  • For God is my witness, whom
  • 00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:34.020
  • I serve with my spirit in the
  • 00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:35.200
  • gospel of his Son, that without
  • 00:42:35.200 --> 00:42:37.170
  • ceasing I mention you always in
  • 00:42:37.170 --> 00:42:39.150
  • my prayer, asking that somehow,
  • 00:42:39.150 --> 00:42:41.060
  • by God's will, I may now at last
  • 00:42:41.060 --> 00:42:43.230
  • succeed in coming to you."
  • 00:42:43.230 --> 00:42:45.190
  • So, this is important.
  • 00:42:45.190 --> 00:42:46.290
  • "For I long to see you, that
  • 00:42:46.290 --> 00:42:48.070
  • I may," this is what he wanted
  • 00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:49.100
  • to do, "impart to you
  • 00:42:49.100 --> 00:42:50.160
  • some spiritual gift
  • 00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:51.180
  • to strengthen you.
  • 00:42:51.180 --> 00:42:53.020
  • That is, that we may be mutually
  • 00:42:53.020 --> 00:42:54.220
  • encouraged by each other's
  • 00:42:54.220 --> 00:42:55.250
  • faith, both yours and mine."
  • 00:42:55.250 --> 00:42:57.130
  • And then he says, "I do not want
  • 00:42:57.130 --> 00:42:59.000
  • you to be unaware, brothers,
  • 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.270
  • that I have often intended to
  • 00:43:00.270 --> 00:43:02.120
  • come to you, but thus far have
  • 00:43:02.120 --> 00:43:04.050
  • been prevented in order that I
  • 00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:05.280
  • may reap some harvest among you,
  • 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.020
  • as well as among the rest of
  • 00:43:08.020 --> 00:43:09.110
  • the Gentiles."
  • 00:43:09.110 --> 00:43:10.100
  • And so, he goes on,
  • 00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:11.120
  • he says, "I've tried to come
  • 00:43:11.120 --> 00:43:12.280
  • many times,
  • 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:13.280
  • but it hasn't happened."
  • 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.010
  • And yet, we talk
  • 00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:16.130
  • about daring to do what God has
  • 00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:17.150
  • called you to do.
  • 00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:18.190
  • He took a situation where he's
  • 00:43:18.190 --> 00:43:20.110
  • that this is going to open a
  • 00:43:23.220 --> 00:43:24.250
  • door to get me to Rome so I can
  • 00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:27.000
  • preach the gospel and encourage
  • 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.140
  • the believers, and I'm going
  • 00:43:28.140 --> 00:43:30.150
  • to still do what God called
  • 00:43:30.150 --> 00:43:31.120
  • me to do.
  • 00:43:31.120 --> 00:43:32.010
  • So, in the natural, the enemy
  • 00:43:32.010 --> 00:43:33.180
  • has sent fear, he's had me
  • 00:43:33.180 --> 00:43:35.120
  • beaten, he's had me put in
  • 00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:36.130
  • prison, it looks like
  • 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:38.080
  • I can't do it.
  • 00:43:38.080 --> 00:43:39.010
  • But really we need the same
  • 00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:40.100
  • spirit that Paul had that
  • 00:43:40.100 --> 00:43:41.270
  • brought the gospel here to Rome
  • 00:43:41.270 --> 00:43:43.070
  • and that preached--that he
  • 00:43:43.070 --> 00:43:44.190
  • preached it to the Gentiles.
  • 00:43:44.190 --> 00:43:45.240
  • I think every single time that
  • 00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:48.010
  • fear attacks any of us, we have
  • 00:43:48.010 --> 00:43:50.080
  • to have this spirit that says,
  • 00:43:50.080 --> 00:43:51.090
  • "No matter what, greater is he
  • 00:43:51.090 --> 00:43:53.040
  • that is in me, and I'm going to
  • 00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:54.170
  • use whatever circumstance I have
  • 00:43:54.170 --> 00:43:56.070
  • right now to encourage anyone
  • 00:43:56.070 --> 00:43:58.270
  • that's around me," see, he even
  • 00:43:58.270 --> 00:44:00.120
  • in prison began to preach to the
  • 00:44:00.120 --> 00:44:02.200
  • prison guards, began to preach
  • 00:44:02.200 --> 00:44:03.200
  • to other people that were in
  • 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:04.280
  • jail.
  • 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:05.190
  • He wasn't thinking of himself.
  • 00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:06.200
  • What fear does each and every
  • 00:44:06.200 --> 00:44:09.030
  • time is try to make you focused
  • 00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:10.140
  • on yourself, try to stop you
  • 00:44:10.140 --> 00:44:12.000
  • from doing what God has called
  • 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.170
  • you to do, and 100% of the time,
  • 00:44:13.170 --> 00:44:15.120
  • without exception.
  • 00:44:15.120 --> 00:44:16.220
  • And you could be someone with a
  • 00:44:16.220 --> 00:44:18.100
  • personality like mine that look,
  • 00:44:18.100 --> 00:44:20.040
  • "Gee, she seems bold and
  • 00:44:20.040 --> 00:44:21.180
  • confident."
  • 00:44:21.180 --> 00:44:22.150
  • But the truth is fear
  • 00:44:22.150 --> 00:44:24.000
  • can hit me at any time of the
  • 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.090
  • day and any time of the night.
  • 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:27.230
  • And normally--I wasn't
  • 00:44:27.230 --> 00:44:28.160
  • surprised, Laurie, when you said
  • 00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:29.240
  • at night you woke up because
  • 00:44:29.240 --> 00:44:32.000
  • the enemy will come when your
  • 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.070
  • defenses are down, when you are
  • 00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:34.170
  • unaware, in the same way
  • 00:44:34.170 --> 00:44:36.030
  • that he came to Paul.
  • 00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:37.250
  • But you have to be steadfast
  • 00:44:37.250 --> 00:44:38.180
  • and immovable.
  • 00:44:38.180 --> 00:44:39.250
  • You have to know the Word of
  • 00:44:39.250 --> 00:44:40.280
  • God.
  • 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:41.190
  • You have to have good believers
  • 00:44:41.190 --> 00:44:42.260
  • around you.
  • 00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:43.190
  • You said a very smart thing, you
  • 00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:44.210
  • said--I was going to say it in
  • 00:44:44.210 --> 00:44:46.010
  • the presence of witnesses that
  • 00:44:46.010 --> 00:44:47.200
  • you don't go--I think it's very
  • 00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:49.250
  • important that you just do not
  • 00:44:49.250 --> 00:44:52.050
  • go and sort of blab your fear
  • 00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:54.040
  • out everywhere, to naysayers
  • 00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:55.230
  • that are going to actually help
  • 00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:57.180
  • to keep you out from your
  • 00:44:57.180 --> 00:44:59.110
  • destiny.
  • 00:44:59.110 --> 00:44:59.290
  • Be careful what you tweet, be
  • 00:44:59.290 --> 00:45:01.190
  • careful what you post on social
  • 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:02.280
  • media.
  • 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.160
  • Under--I say to all of our team,
  • 00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:05.040
  • "I don't want you putting fear
  • 00:45:05.040 --> 00:45:06.170
  • and doubt and negativity
  • 00:45:06.170 --> 00:45:08.020
  • out there."
  • 00:45:08.020 --> 00:45:08.260
  • Fear, doubt, and
  • 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:09.290
  • negativity kept the children of
  • 00:45:09.290 --> 00:45:11.120
  • Israel in the wilderness
  • 00:45:11.120 --> 00:45:12.220
  • for 40 years, and they died.
  • 00:45:12.220 --> 00:45:14.280
  • That was the thing.
  • 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.280
  • It says, "But my servant Caleb,"
  • 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.090
  • because he had a different
  • 00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:18.000
  • spirit, he's the one that said,
  • 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.040
  • "We are well able."
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  • They saw the same giants,
  • 00:45:20.030 --> 00:45:22.070
  • they saw the same Promised Land,
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  • but ten had a negative report
  • 00:45:23.150 --> 00:45:25.100
  • and two had a positive report.
  • 00:45:25.100 --> 00:45:27.040
  • Ten had a spirit of fear,
  • 00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:28.180
  • two had a positive confession.
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  • And so, I think what we need in
  • 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:32.110
  • the body is those of us that go,
  • 00:45:32.110 --> 00:45:34.050
  • "I'm going to build my life on
  • 00:45:34.050 --> 00:45:35.220
  • the truth of the Word of God
  • 00:45:35.220 --> 00:45:37.030
  • and not the facts of
  • 00:45:37.030 --> 00:45:38.240
  • our circumstances."
  • 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:39.110
  • What that might mean,
  • 00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:40.050
  • and I think for somebody
  • 00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:41.160
  • watching this today, the Word of
  • 00:45:41.160 --> 00:45:42.140
  • know, some of us need to switch
  • 00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:45.100
  • off some of the TV screens,
  • 00:45:45.100 --> 00:45:46.280
  • some of the negativity.
  • 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.140
  • - Laurie: I used to preach
  • 00:45:48.140 --> 00:45:49.040
  • change the channel.
  • 00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:50.030
  • - Christine: Or change
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  • the channel.
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  • Change the channel, put it on
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  • TBN.
  • 00:45:52.120 --> 00:45:53.070
  • But this is the truth, I have
  • 00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:54.100
  • never been more passionate about
  • 00:45:54.100 --> 00:45:56.120
  • Christian TV than I am now
  • 00:45:56.120 --> 00:45:57.160
  • because there is so much fear
  • 00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:59.010
  • and doubt and negativity that
  • 00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:01.060
  • people are bombarded by.
  • 00:46:01.060 --> 00:46:02.290
  • When I started off in youth
  • 00:46:02.290 --> 00:46:04.050
  • ministry, I used to preach this
  • 00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:05.150
  • stuff to young people.
  • 00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:06.220
  • Watch what you're watching, be
  • 00:46:06.220 --> 00:46:08.160
  • careful what you listen to.
  • 00:46:08.160 --> 00:46:09.240
  • I now am involved in women's
  • 00:46:09.240 --> 00:46:11.160
  • ministry and church ministry.
  • 00:46:11.160 --> 00:46:12.180
  • I'm saying to adults, "You
  • 00:46:12.180 --> 00:46:14.030
  • should watch the screen of
  • 00:46:14.030 --> 00:46:15.250
  • your--you can monitor what you
  • 00:46:15.250 --> 00:46:17.180
  • watch, what comes in through
  • 00:46:17.180 --> 00:46:18.260
  • your eyes, what social media are
  • 00:46:18.260 --> 00:46:20.200
  • you digesting, what news reports
  • 00:46:20.200 --> 00:46:22.220
  • are you reading, what television
  • 00:46:22.220 --> 00:46:24.270
  • shows are you watching."
  • 00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:26.070
  • Now, obviously the people
  • 00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:27.130
  • that are watching this,
  • 00:46:27.130 --> 00:46:28.030
  • they've got a brain.
  • 00:46:28.030 --> 00:46:29.010
  • Because the fact is that we, now
  • 00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:30.220
  • more than ever, we have so much
  • 00:46:30.220 --> 00:46:33.030
  • access to more information than
  • 00:46:33.030 --> 00:46:34.110
  • we've ever had in the history
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  • of humanity through our phones,
  • 00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:37.120
  • through podcasts, through iPads.
  • 00:46:37.120 --> 00:46:39.030
  • We have to really
  • 00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:40.130
  • watch what we hear.
  • 00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:41.190
  • Now, faith comes by hearing,
  • 00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:43.010
  • and hearing how?
  • 00:46:43.010 --> 00:46:44.050
  • The Word of God.
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  • That's what Paul wrote in
  • 00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:46.010
  • the book of Romans.
  • 00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:47.000
  • I think we need to go back to
  • 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.110
  • Romans, we need to start--
  • 00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:49.220
  • because here that is, you
  • 00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:50.220
  • know, the Magna Carta of our
  • 00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:53.000
  • faith is the book of Romans.
  • 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:54.110
  • Paul wrote that.
  • 00:46:54.110 --> 00:46:55.110
  • But I think specifically he
  • 00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:56.220
  • says, "How will they hear
  • 00:46:56.220 --> 00:46:58.020
  • if there's no preacher?
  • 00:46:58.020 --> 00:46:59.080
  • How will a preacher go
  • 00:46:59.080 --> 00:47:00.050
  • if they're not sent?"
  • 00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:01.160
  • This is exactly what we're doing
  • 00:47:01.160 --> 00:47:02.160
  • through TBN.
  • 00:47:02.160 --> 00:47:03.130
  • I think very much that he says,
  • 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:05.030
  • "Faith comes by hearing, and
  • 00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:06.120
  • hearing by the Word of God." We
  • 00:47:06.120 --> 00:47:08.150
  • have to remember, again, we are
  • 00:47:08.150 --> 00:47:09.170
  • hearing a lot of things in
  • 00:47:09.170 --> 00:47:10.290
  • today's day and age, but unless
  • 00:47:10.290 --> 00:47:12.160
  • you hear the Word of God, you
  • 00:47:12.160 --> 00:47:13.170
  • are not going to have the
  • 00:47:13.170 --> 00:47:14.140
  • foundation of truth because
  • 00:47:14.140 --> 00:47:16.130
  • the only way that you can quench
  • 00:47:16.130 --> 00:47:18.090
  • the fiery dart of the enemy
  • 00:47:18.090 --> 00:47:19.250
  • is with the truth--
  • 00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:21.050
  • - Laurie: Of God's Word.
  • 00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:22.220
  • - Christine: This is the sword
  • 00:47:22.220 --> 00:47:23.140
  • of the Spirit.
  • 00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:24.000
  • This is the thing.
  • 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:24.210
  • This is my shield of faith and
  • 00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:25.190
  • the sword of the Spirit.
  • 00:47:25.190 --> 00:47:27.070
  • This is what is going to disarm
  • 00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:28.260
  • the enemy each and every time.
  • 00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.160
  • There is nothing like the Word
  • 00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:31.080
  • of God.
  • 00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:32.060
  • stronger in the Word, I am
  • 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:36.040
  • turning down the volume of
  • 00:47:36.040 --> 00:47:38.030
  • the world, turning up the volume
  • 00:47:38.030 --> 00:47:40.000
  • of the Word.
  • 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.080
  • With my own daughters, I am
  • 00:47:41.080 --> 00:47:42.130
  • doing whatever I can to get this
  • 00:47:42.130 --> 00:47:43.270
  • into them.
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  • I want them to memorize it
  • 00:47:44.190 --> 00:47:46.080
  • because I said to them, "You
  • 00:47:46.080 --> 00:47:47.170
  • store it up now when there is no
  • 00:47:47.170 --> 00:47:49.060
  • storm in your life, and when
  • 00:47:49.060 --> 00:47:51.060
  • that storm hits, just like your
  • 00:47:51.060 --> 00:47:52.260
  • mama, that Word is going to come
  • 00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:54.130
  • out of you."
  • 00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:55.110
  • And what the enemy meant, he
  • 00:47:55.110 --> 00:47:57.190
  • sent a missile, not just a dart.
  • 00:47:57.190 --> 00:47:59.070
  • He sent a cruise missile to take
  • 00:47:59.070 --> 00:48:01.190
  • me out when I found out I was
  • 00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:03.070
  • adopted and all that came
  • 00:48:03.070 --> 00:48:05.070
  • with that.
  • 00:48:05.070 --> 00:48:05.240
  • But one word from God disarmed
  • 00:48:05.240 --> 00:48:08.080
  • that missile.
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  • I didn't flinch, didn't lose
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  • a day.
  • 00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:11.230
  • The next week, I was at Joyce
  • 00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:13.070
  • Meyer's conference, preaching
  • 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:14.190
  • and declaring the truth of the
  • 00:48:14.190 --> 00:48:15.190
  • Word of God, undaunted
  • 00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:17.030
  • because--not because I'm great.
  • 00:48:17.030 --> 00:48:19.120
  • But even if you feel weak and
  • 00:48:19.120 --> 00:48:20.280
  • you're watching this, his power
  • 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.060
  • is made perfect in our weakness.
  • 00:48:23.060 --> 00:48:25.200
  • He gives us strength.
  • 00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:26.250
  • I can do all things not in my
  • 00:48:26.250 --> 00:48:28.230
  • own strength, not through my
  • 00:48:28.230 --> 00:48:30.010
  • personality type.
  • 00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:31.040
  • This is not where you fit on the
  • 00:48:31.040 --> 00:48:32.160
  • DiSC profile, where you rate on
  • 00:48:32.160 --> 00:48:34.070
  • the enneagram, where the--you
  • 00:48:34.070 --> 00:48:36.060
  • know what your personality
  • 00:48:36.060 --> 00:48:37.150
  • profile is.
  • 00:48:37.150 --> 00:48:39.110
  • Freedom is not a personality
  • 00:48:39.110 --> 00:48:41.020
  • profile.
  • 00:48:41.020 --> 00:48:41.190
  • Freedom is not a personality
  • 00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:43.070
  • type, it's a blood type.
  • 00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:44.180
  • It's the blood of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:48:44.180 --> 00:48:45.270
  • He came and set us free.
  • 00:48:45.270 --> 00:48:47.160
  • And so, what we have to
  • 00:48:47.160 --> 00:48:49.030
  • understand was we all have the
  • 00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:50.250
  • same access to the same truth.
  • 00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:52.100
  • That's why we can live
  • 00:48:52.100 --> 00:48:52.290
  • undaunted.
  • 00:48:52.290 --> 00:48:53.190
  • You don't have to be like
  • 00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:54.170
  • Christine Caine.
  • 00:48:54.170 --> 00:48:55.080
  • You just have to be like Jesus.
  • 00:48:55.080 --> 00:48:56.210
  • And so, that's how we have to
  • 00:48:56.210 --> 00:48:57.180
  • life undaunted, and I think if
  • 00:48:57.180 --> 00:48:59.110
  • more of us would believe that,
  • 00:48:59.110 --> 00:49:01.020
  • the fiery darts of the enemy
  • 00:49:04.120 --> 00:49:05.160
  • with the truth of the Word of
  • 00:49:05.160 --> 00:49:06.240
  • God.
  • 00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:07.140
  • The grass withers, the flower
  • 00:49:07.140 --> 00:49:08.190
  • fades, but the Word of the Lord
  • 00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:10.030
  • remains forever.
  • 00:49:10.030 --> 00:49:11.040
  • It is the eternal word.
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  • - Matt: "Undaunted" is the
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  • subject.
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  • And I--if you were
  • 00:49:14.130 --> 00:49:16.170
  • a screenwriter and you were
  • 00:49:16.170 --> 00:49:18.110
  • wanting the perfect moment,
  • 00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:20.130
  • you have just experienced it
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  • here in Rome, Italy.
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  • And as we are now getting down
  • 00:49:25.160 --> 00:49:27.290
  • to the last few moments,
  • 00:49:27.290 --> 00:49:30.270
  • the beauty of what we're seeing
  • 00:49:30.270 --> 00:49:32.270
  • is I think
  • 00:49:32.270 --> 00:49:34.220
  • matching the atmosphere
  • 00:49:34.220 --> 00:49:35.280
  • of what God wants to do.
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  • And I know that everyone
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  • wants to live undaunted.
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  • We want to go into the future
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  • organized to where we did this
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  • broadcast sitting on a ledge--
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  • - Laurie: And I think she's
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  • preached me off the ledge now,
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  • so I'm getting down now.
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  • - Matt: So, it literally--we
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  • were experiencing what we should
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  • have been experiencing, the idea
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  • that this subject matter.
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  • And Christine Caine's
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  • - Christine: We exist here at
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  • Propel to help you keep moving
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  • forward, to do the work that's
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  • needed to be done in and out,
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  • so that God can do more
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  • through us out and on.
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  • He says, "I press on.
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  • I press on."
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  • Christianity is not
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  • And in the day and the hour
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  • in which we live,
  • 00:51:55.290 --> 00:51:57.100
  • these are urgent times.
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  • And the enemy would love to come
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  • and whisper in your ear,
  • 00:52:01.020 --> 00:52:02.150
  • "Just pull back.
  • 00:52:02.150 --> 00:52:05.010
  • Just settle."
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  • There's almost
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  • like this wave through
  • 00:52:07.100 --> 00:52:09.180
  • the church currently,
  • 00:52:09.180 --> 00:52:11.090
  • "Let's just be balanced."
  • 00:52:11.090 --> 00:52:13.120
  • I mean, what's balance?
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  • What is nine and a half inch
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  • nails through your arteries and
  • 00:52:16.210 --> 00:52:18.020
  • veins, and a spear in your side,
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  • and 3 days in hell?
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  • Ooh, not balanced.
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  • I'm not quite sure where
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  • the balance is.
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  • I don't know where anyone ever
  • 00:52:24.050 --> 00:52:25.260
  • got any idea that this side of
  • 00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:28.090
  • eternity, we're going to live a
  • 00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:29.140
  • balanced life.
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  • We're going to live a fruitful
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  • life.
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  • We're going to live an abundant
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  • life.
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  • But we're going to live anything
  • 00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:34.280
  • but a balanced life.
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  • We are radical, revolutionaries
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  • for the cause of Jesus Christ
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  • and the gospel of Jesus Christ
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  • going forth.
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  • He says, "I press on."
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  • The path of least resistance is
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  • not going to bring us girls
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  • to our destiny.
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  • So, to try to pull back because
  • 00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:55.110
  • there's too much resistance out
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  • there is not going to get the
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  • job done.
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  • You know, pressing happens in
  • 00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.020
  • every aspect of life.
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  • You get up, and girls, nearly
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  • every one of you--I'm in Texas.
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  • God bless your hair.
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  • What do you say?
  • 00:53:09.060 --> 00:53:09.280
  • The higher the hair, the closer
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  • to God you are in this place.
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  • I'm like y'all, we got
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  • Beth Moore coming tonight.
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  • It's going to go next level,
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  • that's no doubt about that.
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  • I told her God brought me in her
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  • life to flatten her head, okay.
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  • But you know what you could do?
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  • You can stand there with a hair
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  • dryer, but nothing is going to
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  • happen unless you press.
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  • Some of you, nothing's happening
  • 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.050
  • in your Christian life because
  • 00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:38.130
  • basically you've got to press.
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  • What you've done is you've
  • 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:41.290
  • pulled back instead of
  • 00:53:41.290 --> 00:53:43.130
  • pressed on.
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  • Somewhere, something came and
  • 00:53:44.140 --> 00:53:45.230
  • affected you, disappointed you.
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  • Someone betrayed you.
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  • Someone hurt you.
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  • Someone left you.
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  • Or you just yourself
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  • became indifferent.
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  • Human nature left to itself
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  • really isn't going to care about
  • 00:53:57.250 --> 00:53:59.010
  • anyone but ourselves.
  • 00:53:59.010 --> 00:54:01.020
  • That's just human nature.
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  • That's just the byproduct of the
  • 00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:04.060
  • sin nature.
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  • So, the fact is I'm here to ask
  • 00:54:05.050 --> 00:54:07.140
  • you this morning right
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  • from the outset,
  • 00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:10.090
  • where did you stop pressing?
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  • Where in your life did you stop
  • 00:54:12.170 --> 00:54:14.140
  • pressing on,
  • 00:54:14.140 --> 00:54:16.110
  • and you just got caught up
  • 00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.160
  • with some old momentum?
  • 00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:21.040
  • Maybe you were on fire for God
  • 00:54:21.040 --> 00:54:22.230
  • when you were in youth ministry,
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  • or when you were a young person,
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  • or when you were newly married,
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  • or when you were just starting
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  • in college, or when you just got
  • 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.070
  • your new job.
  • 00:54:29.070 --> 00:54:30.150
  • And you were on--but
  • 00:54:30.150 --> 00:54:31.210
  • somewhere along the line,
  • 00:54:31.210 --> 00:54:32.210
  • you just settled.
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  • Oh, you're still going through
  • 00:54:34.220 --> 00:54:35.260
  • all of the Christian motions.
  • 00:54:35.260 --> 00:54:37.190
  • You still go to church.
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  • You still might even have
  • 00:54:38.220 --> 00:54:40.160
  • a quiet time.
  • 00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:43.000
  • You're still relatively a fairly
  • 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:44.240
  • nice person most days
  • 00:54:44.240 --> 00:54:45.290
  • if nobody's looking.
  • 00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:49.230
  • But the truth is you stopped
  • 00:54:49.230 --> 00:54:51.260
  • pressing.
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  • Somewhere along the line, you
  • 00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:54.230
  • stopped eagerly desiring the
  • 00:54:54.230 --> 00:54:56.190
  • purpose of God for your life,
  • 00:54:56.190 --> 00:54:59.110
  • eagerly seeking what is the plan
  • 00:54:59.110 --> 00:55:01.200
  • of God for my life.
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  • Why am I on this earth
  • 00:55:02.230 --> 00:55:04.030
  • right now?
  • 00:55:04.030 --> 00:55:04.250
  • Why do I have the gifts
  • 00:55:04.250 --> 00:55:05.240
  • that I have?
  • 00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:06.160
  • Why do I have the talents
  • 00:55:06.160 --> 00:55:07.170
  • that I have?
  • 00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:08.080
  • Why do I have the skills
  • 00:55:08.080 --> 00:55:09.100
  • that I have?
  • 00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:10.050
  • Why am I positioned in this
  • 00:55:10.050 --> 00:55:11.050
  • nation, in this time in history,
  • 00:55:11.050 --> 00:55:13.270
  • in this place?
  • 00:55:13.270 --> 00:55:15.120
  • Why am I--somewhere, you stopped
  • 00:55:15.120 --> 00:55:17.030
  • pressing, and it was like,
  • 00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:19.140
  • "It's just too hard."
  • 00:55:19.140 --> 00:55:21.140
  • And took the path
  • 00:55:21.140 --> 00:55:23.000
  • of least resistance,
  • 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:23.290
  • and then we almost built
  • 00:55:23.290 --> 00:55:25.130
  • a theology around that.
  • 00:55:25.130 --> 00:55:26.200
  • And we started to tell people,
  • 00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:28.220
  • "You know, God doesn't
  • 00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:29.250
  • want you to strain yourself.
  • 00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:32.220
  • God, Jesus came from heaven to
  • 00:55:32.220 --> 00:55:34.060
  • earth, died on a cross, and rose
  • 00:55:34.060 --> 00:55:35.230
  • again from the dead just so that
  • 00:55:35.230 --> 00:55:36.270
  • you can be nice, peacefully
  • 00:55:36.270 --> 00:55:38.070
  • happy, just so that you can
  • 00:55:38.070 --> 00:55:40.210
  • retire and golf your way to
  • 00:55:40.210 --> 00:55:42.200
  • heaven, just so that you can
  • 00:55:44.100 --> 00:55:47.100
  • have 17 massages a week."
  • 00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:49.140
  • And I might just stop there
  • 00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:50.250
  • 'cause I'm meddling now, I know.
  • 00:55:51.120 --> 00:55:54.120
  • Now, I'm into an abundant,
  • 00:55:54.120 --> 00:55:55.240
  • purpose-filled life.
  • 00:55:55.240 --> 00:55:57.130
  • I believe that Jesus wants us to
  • 00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:58.110
  • enjoy our life, but as we live
  • 00:55:58.110 --> 00:55:59.280
  • it on mission, for his purpose,
  • 00:56:00.100 --> 00:56:03.100
  • for his plan.
  • 00:56:03.100 --> 00:56:04.220
  • And he wants us to continue
  • 00:56:04.220 --> 00:56:06.130
  • to press on.
  • 00:56:06.130 --> 00:56:07.180
  • I am here, and I am on a mission
  • 00:56:07.180 --> 00:56:09.230
  • in Propel Women to start getting
  • 00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:11.110
  • the women of God pressing into
  • 00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:13.140
  • the purpose of God, that they
  • 00:56:13.140 --> 00:56:14.240
  • would fulfill the potential of
  • 00:56:14.240 --> 00:56:16.250
  • God on their life, and that we
  • 00:56:16.250 --> 00:56:18.080
  • would do what God has called us
  • 00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:19.190
  • to do.
  • 00:56:19.190 --> 00:56:20.100
  • There has been an assignment for
  • 00:56:20.100 --> 00:56:21.230
  • centuries to keep women out of
  • 00:56:21.230 --> 00:56:23.100
  • the main thrust of what it is
  • 00:56:23.100 --> 00:56:25.270
  • that God is doing.
  • 00:56:25.270 --> 00:56:26.130
  • Just sit down, be quiet, be
  • 00:56:26.130 --> 00:56:27.280
  • nice.
  • 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:28.270
  • Well, I'm saying let's stand up,
  • 00:56:28.270 --> 00:56:30.120
  • let's still be nice, but let's
  • 00:56:30.120 --> 00:56:31.200
  • go out and do what God has
  • 00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:33.000
  • called us to do, and be
  • 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.170
  • activated to be the women of God
  • 00:56:34.170 --> 00:56:36.040
  • that he has called us to be.
  • 00:56:36.040 --> 00:56:38.080
  • You can wear stilettos and
  • 00:56:38.080 --> 00:56:39.230
  • lipstick, but you can kick the
  • 00:56:39.230 --> 00:56:40.290
  • devil's butt with stilettos and
  • 00:56:40.290 --> 00:56:42.130
  • lipstick, that's all I'm saying.
  • 00:56:42.130 --> 00:56:43.280
  • You can do that.
  • 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.250
  • I wonder where you stopped,
  • 00:56:45.250 --> 00:56:48.030
  • where you stopped pressing to
  • 00:56:48.030 --> 00:56:49.010
  • believe God to restore your
  • 00:56:49.010 --> 00:56:50.100
  • marriage, where you stopped
  • 00:56:50.100 --> 00:56:52.060
  • pressing to believe God to bring
  • 00:56:52.060 --> 00:56:53.120
  • your children back to God, where
  • 00:56:53.120 --> 00:56:55.000
  • you stopped pressing to believe
  • 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:55.290
  • God for a godly partner, where
  • 00:56:55.290 --> 00:56:57.190
  • you stopped pressing to continue
  • 00:56:57.190 --> 00:56:59.010
  • to believe God for healing, for
  • 00:56:59.010 --> 00:57:00.140
  • deliverance, for breakthrough.
  • 00:57:00.140 --> 00:57:01.240
  • Where, somewhere along the line,
  • 00:57:01.240 --> 00:57:03.110
  • did you stop believing God?
  • 00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:05.260
  • Oh, you believe in God,
  • 00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:07.220
  • but you stopped believing God.
  • 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.280
  • And you got settled for just
  • 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.200
  • the status quo, for just the way
  • 00:57:13.200 --> 00:57:15.180
  • things are, as if God doesn't
  • 00:57:15.180 --> 00:57:17.160
  • still move today, as if God
  • 00:57:17.160 --> 00:57:19.140
  • still doesn't want to do
  • 00:57:19.140 --> 00:57:20.150
  • something awesome in your life
  • 00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:22.080
  • today.
  • 00:57:22.080 --> 00:57:23.000
  • Well, I'm here today to activate
  • 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:24.010
  • your faith, to say, "Come on,
  • 00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:25.180
  • it's time to start pressing."
  • 00:57:25.180 --> 00:57:28.010
  • Because if you want
  • 00:57:28.010 --> 00:57:29.090
  • a breakthrough in your life,
  • 00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:30.130
  • you've got to press through.
  • 00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:31.220
  • You can't just sit down there.
  • 00:57:31.220 --> 00:57:32.220
  • Aren't no drive-thru
  • 00:57:32.220 --> 00:57:34.080
  • breakthroughs, girls.
  • 00:57:34.080 --> 00:57:35.110
  • You have got to press through.
  • 00:57:35.110 --> 00:57:37.040
  • I know we drive through to get
  • 00:57:37.040 --> 00:57:38.060
  • our Starbucks, we drive through
  • 00:57:38.060 --> 00:57:39.110
  • to get our Sonics, but you ain't
  • 00:57:39.110 --> 00:57:41.060
  • going to drive through to get
  • 00:57:41.060 --> 00:57:42.180
  • your breakthrough.
  • 00:57:42.180 --> 00:57:43.160
  • You need to press through
  • 00:57:43.160 --> 00:57:45.050
  • and lay ahold of Jesus Christ
  • 00:57:45.050 --> 00:57:46.190
  • for your breakthrough
  • 00:57:46.190 --> 00:57:47.190
  • for your breakthrough
  • 00:57:47.190 --> 00:57:51.060
  • [m
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  • [mus
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  • [music
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  • [music]
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