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Bobby Schuller hosts Ben Courson from Los Angeles; CA.

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Praise | Ben Courson | September 8, 2020

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  • - I was strongly considering
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  • driving off theside of the road.
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • I thought I turn on the radiofor a final going-away song.
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  • - [Ben] Friends, that iswhat our God looks like.
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  • When you lick a tear,God licks a tear too.
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  • Jesus says if you see meyou've seen the Father.
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  • Mary and Martha weep,so do Jesus wept,
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  • that's what God looks like.
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  • - When I heardBen's voice instead.
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  • - [Ben] He's a God whoweeps with those who weep.
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  • - I put my foot on thebrakes, pulled over and cried,
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  • and decided to give Godwhatever was left in me instead.
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  • - 2020 has been anincredible year,
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  • we've seen things that wenever thought we would see
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  • and people are feelingall sorts of things.
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  • I'm with Ben Courson.
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  • Ben, what do you think is themain issue in our day today?
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  • - Bobby, I think the chiefissue of our day is depression.
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  • Nearly 50% of Americans aresaying that the Corona virus
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  • is harming their mental health.
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  • So in this episode,
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  • we're gonna build hope inthe face of depression.
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  • - And the thing I love somuch about our discussion
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  • is you're gonna givereal practical steps
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  • that people can take todayto get out of this funk.
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  • You'll see it on Praise.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Presenter] Tonight onPraise, from Los Angeles,
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  • founder of Hope Generation,
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  • best selling author and TVand radio host, Ben Courson.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • And now, Bobby Schuller.
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  • - Welcome to Praise.
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  • We are so, so gladthat you are watching.
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  • I just believe that God wantsyou to be watching right now.
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  • If you're just flippingthe channels, please stay,
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  • because we're about totalk about some things
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  • that could actually change theoutlook of your whole life.
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  • There are times in our liveswhere things get so hard,
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  • so dark, sostressful, so anxious.
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  • We don't know what to do.
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  • And, maybe you're watchingthis and you're a Christian.
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  • You have a lot,you love the Lord.
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  • You've committed yourlife to the Lord and,
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  • you don't know how to getout of whatever pit it is
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  • that you're going through.
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  • I just want youto know that we...
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  • I have Ben Courson here
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  • and we are gonna talk about
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  • some of the nittygritty practical things
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  • we can do today tobuild a bigger vision,
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  • to get out of the rut,to feel more joy again,
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  • to respond to life withfaith instead of fear.
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  • And I just believethat if you watch
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  • through this whole program,
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  • God is gonna give you somethingreally, really important
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  • from the scripture, from Ben,
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  • and I think it's reallygonna touch your life
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  • and your heart.
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  • And it's exciting because Ben,
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  • you and I have talkeda lot on Praise.
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  • I love having you.
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  • Thank you so much forbeing here by the way.
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  • - I've so much fun.
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  • - We're both pastors' kids.- Yeah.
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  • - We're both millennials.
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  • We both share the sameviews, so it's really fun.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • It is fun, and one of the things
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  • that I like aboutyou so much, Ben is,
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  • you are such a likeenthusiastic person.
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  • You're also kind of a scholasticperson, you love to read,
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  • you love to pullhistory and dates
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  • and words andetymology on stuff.
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  • But at the end of the day,
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  • you're someone who hasbeen through a lot.
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  • You're talking to peoplewho are going through a lot.
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  • And you have alot of experience,
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  • even at your young age, at 32.
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  • - Did you say that you could--- Yep.
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  • - Some of the stuffthat you have said
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  • has helped mepersonally so much,
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  • and I know that a lotof people at home.
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  • You're not afraid to bringfaith and science together,
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  • and see what really helps
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  • when we're goingthrough tough times
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  • when we just need like atip, we need something.
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  • - A 100%.
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  • - We need somethingto grab onto you.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • And so I wanna talk aboutthat today, about your book,
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  • where you've laidthis out for people.
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  • And we're not really hereto talk about a book,
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  • we're here to talk about, howdo we, in this bizarre time,
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  • navigate through a lotof the emotional stuff
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  • that we're going through?
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  • And you have that.
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  • So we're welcome, anyway.
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  • - Yeah, and I wanna tell people
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  • who do struggle with depression,
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  • as depression, nearlyhalf of Americans
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  • note that their depressionis augmented an increased,
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  • their mental illnesshas been exacerbated
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  • by the coronavirus,
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  • there is no shame instruggling with depression.
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  • I think a taboo andstigma we have to remove
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  • from some of the churchianity,
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  • is that if you struggle withdepression, that's a sin.
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  • Friends, that is not a sin,
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  • David was bipolar, have youread the Psalms? (chuckles)
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  • Nearly half of thePsalms are laments.
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  • Elijah wanted to die aftergetting in a chariot race
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  • with a woman named Jezebel.
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  • He was under a broom treeat a cave, and he said,
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  • God, I'm the only one whohasn't bowed the knee to Baal,
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  • take my life.
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  • Jonah wanted to die whena worm ate his plant,
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  • literally a worm ate his plant.
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  • That's how sometimesillogical depression is,
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  • is he wanted to die becausethe sun was really hot
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  • in Nineveh, in Assyria.
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  • And then you have Job
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  • who literally cursedthe day he was born.
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  • And let me say one morething about that, Bobby,
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  • historically, some of the greats
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  • have suffered from depression.
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  • It's not always asign of weakness,
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  • sometimes it's asymptom of strength.
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  • Calvin Coolidge led throughthe roaring twenties
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  • and as our 30th president,
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  • when his son died, hesuffered from depression.
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  • Kurt Cobain, Greg Louganis,the gold medal Olympic winner,
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  • Ernest Hemingway, Carrie Fisher,who played Princess Leia,
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  • Jim Carey, Winston Churchill,
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  • some of the greatestminds, Abraham Lincoln,
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  • have also struggledwith depression.
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  • So it's nothing tobe ashamed about.
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  • - It's interesting how sometimes
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  • some of the peopleon the outside
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  • seem like the happiest, funniestpeople, life of the party,
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  • are sometimes the oneswho're struggling the most.
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  • Like when you were giving,going through that list,
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  • I was thinking ofRobin Williams.
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  • - Yep.
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  • - And how, like, Iwas really surprised
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  • that would havebeen the last person
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  • I would have thought of.
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  • That was someone who,
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  • struggled and succumbedto depressive stuff.
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  • I think talking tobelievers, the biggest thing,
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  • one thing we firstwanna really get across,
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  • is there's nothing tobe embarrassed about.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - There's nothingto be ashamed about.
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  • If you're like superanxious, or super worried,
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  • or super depressive rightnow, especially now in 2020,
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  • this is a time, I thinkI saw, who was it?
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  • Somebody posted ontheir Instagram,
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  • I miss precedented times.
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  • (laughs)
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  • Like I want this tobe precedented again.
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  • - That's a good quote.
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  • - It's crazy.- That's a bumper sticker.
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  • - Yeah, this is a crazy season.
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  • And I think someone saidthat depression is like,
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  • where you crippling, cripplinglead to dwell on the past.
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  • And anxiety is whereyou're like overwhelmingly
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  • obsessed with thefuture, in a bad way.
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  • And I don't know ifthat's totally true,
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  • but so many of usare dealing with like
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  • probably a combination of both.
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  • Then we don't knowwhat's going on,
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  • and then it brings upall sorts of old stuff.
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  • A lot of people are fallingback into old habits
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  • that they thought they broke.
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  • Like you thoughtyou quit smoking.
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  • You thought you quit drinking.
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  • You thought you quitprescription drugs,
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  • or you thought you wouldnever go back to that guy
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  • or that girl.
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  • And here you areduring the summer,
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  • I went back to the guy again.
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  • - No, I never thoughtI would do this.
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  • I never thought it would be,in the pornography again,
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  • or I would be whatever it is.
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  • There are so many big issues
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  • and, are just fallinginto these pits again.
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  • I want you to know,
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  • that shame is not thething to feel right now,
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  • your God has forgivenyou for your sin.
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  • But to believe by faith,that this is gonna pass,
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  • you're gonna get through this.
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  • Yeah, it's interesting whenwe talk to you about that,
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  • I remember hearing,
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  • and I wanna see whatyou think about this.
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  • I might get in troublefor this, but I was at a,
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  • it was like a clinic
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  • to help people recoverfrom drug addiction.
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  • And there was thisgirl I was talking to,
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  • her parents were,
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  • I think they weremissionaries or something.
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  • And she was a heroin addict foryears, and years, and years,
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  • after they got a divorce.
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  • Like she just couldnot get over that.
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  • And it like blew, like herwhole perspective of God
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  • and family and life, andshe became a heroin addict.
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  • But the thing I always rememberis that now she's saved
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  • and she was clean and sober,
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  • but she said, heroinsaved my life.
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  • And I was like, wait, what?
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  • She was like, if I didn'thave something like heroin,
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  • I would have killed myself.
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  • And that helped me understand,
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  • that for people who strugglewith drugs and alcohol
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  • or addiction issues,
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  • that for a lot of people,it's a coping mechanism.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And so what we wanna dotoday, is we wanna talk about,
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  • if you feel yourself,
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  • wanting to fall back intosome of those old sins
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  • or patterns, or maybe it'snot a sin, but it's just like,
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  • eating disorders, or eatingtoo much, or anorexia
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  • or whatever it is.
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  • You have some amazing tools,
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  • that are really goingto help a lot of people,
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  • and we're gonna talk aboutsome of those things.
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  • Ben has a new book called"Flirting With Darkness".
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  • And I think this bookis really going to touch
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  • a lot of people, check this out.
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  • (dramatic music)(winds rush)
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  • - [Narrator] The future isswallowed by an infinite gray.
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  • Tomorrow will be nodifferent from today.
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  • (dramatic music)(winds rush)
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  • Things will never get better.
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  • (dramatic music)(winds rush)
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  • These scorpion stingsof consciousness
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  • have become my daily bread,
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  • heartbreak, death,depression, panic attacks.
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • Anything is betterthan staying alive,
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  • the darkness calls.
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • (waters rush)
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  • Suicide looksimpossibly attractive.
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  • (ambient music)
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  • But, these are notmy only memories,
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  • (waters rush)
  • 00:10:08.697 --> 00:10:10.932
  • (birds chirp)
  • 00:10:10.932 --> 00:10:13.435
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:15.403 --> 00:10:16.905
  • prayer beside waterfallswhite as noon light on snow,
  • 00:10:16.905 --> 00:10:20.809
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:20.809 --> 00:10:23.912
  • friends who savedme from my head,
  • 00:10:23.912 --> 00:10:26.381
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:26.381 --> 00:10:29.017
  • dreams blossoming into reality.
  • 00:10:36.658 --> 00:10:40.095
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:40.095 --> 00:10:42.764
  • As the cool beauties of life
  • 00:10:44.232 --> 00:10:46.301
  • summoned me to loftierplanes of reality,
  • 00:10:46.301 --> 00:10:49.370
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:49.370 --> 00:10:50.638
  • I choose the light.
  • 00:10:50.638 --> 00:10:52.607
  • (ambient music)
  • 00:10:53.441 --> 00:10:56.111
  • - So Ben, I thinkthere's a lot of people
  • 00:11:09.357 --> 00:11:11.059
  • who feel like the woman inthat trailer for your new book,
  • 00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:14.429
  • and who are kind ofstaring out at life
  • 00:11:14.429 --> 00:11:18.967
  • and really feeling drawnback into old habits
  • 00:11:18.967 --> 00:11:23.772
  • or in psychology, theymight say coping mechanisms,
  • 00:11:23.772 --> 00:11:26.374
  • ways that you deal withthese feelings of loneliness,
  • 00:11:26.374 --> 00:11:29.344
  • emptiness, anxiety, depression.
  • 00:11:29.344 --> 00:11:31.045
  • And you were someonewho struggled withchronic depression
  • 00:11:31.045 --> 00:11:34.682
  • for 10 years afterlots of trauma,
  • 00:11:34.682 --> 00:11:37.786
  • two family members had died.
  • 00:11:37.786 --> 00:11:39.654
  • God healed you from that,but it was a process.
  • 00:11:39.654 --> 00:11:42.123
  • - Yes.
  • 00:11:42.123 --> 00:11:43.324
  • - And from that,you have some tools
  • 00:11:43.324 --> 00:11:44.592
  • that you wanna sharewith people at home,
  • 00:11:44.592 --> 00:11:45.693
  • practical thingsyou can do today
  • 00:11:45.693 --> 00:11:47.996
  • that they're not gonna cureyou overnight, but over time.
  • 00:11:47.996 --> 00:11:52.834
  • If you start to implementsome of these tools,
  • 00:11:52.834 --> 00:11:54.602
  • like in a toolbox,
  • 00:11:54.602 --> 00:11:56.037
  • you're gonna see somechanges in how you feel.
  • 00:11:56.037 --> 00:11:57.739
  • You're gonna start tobe a little happier.
  • 00:11:57.739 --> 00:11:59.541
  • Relationships are goingto be a little better,
  • 00:11:59.541 --> 00:12:00.875
  • there's thingsthat people can do.
  • 00:12:00.875 --> 00:12:02.043
  • - Right.
  • 00:12:02.043 --> 00:12:03.511
  • - And there's somethingthat gives me constellation
  • 00:12:03.511 --> 00:12:04.846
  • about knowing I'm not alone.
  • 00:12:04.846 --> 00:12:06.981
  • Like if you're goingthrough this struggle,
  • 00:12:06.981 --> 00:12:09.250
  • this is the epidemicof our time.
  • 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:11.519
  • It's not just thecoronavirus pandemics.
  • 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.121
  • - That's right.
  • 00:12:13.121 --> 00:12:13.955
  • - Once every 40 seconds,
  • 00:12:13.955 --> 00:12:15.390
  • someone will commitsuicide around the world.
  • 00:12:15.390 --> 00:12:17.025
  • There are 123 suicides per day.
  • 00:12:17.025 --> 00:12:19.627
  • In the year 2017,among my age group,
  • 00:12:19.627 --> 00:12:22.030
  • suicide was the secondleading cause of death.
  • 00:12:22.030 --> 00:12:25.066
  • There are twice as manysuicides as homicides.
  • 00:12:25.066 --> 00:12:27.569
  • So I don't know
  • 00:12:27.569 --> 00:12:28.803
  • who interviewed the 14thcentury Burgundians,
  • 00:12:28.803 --> 00:12:30.605
  • but apparently we're themost depressed generation
  • 00:12:30.605 --> 00:12:32.841
  • on record.
  • 00:12:32.841 --> 00:12:33.775
  • And so yeah, in the book,
  • 00:12:33.775 --> 00:12:35.143
  • I lay out an arsenalof 11 weapons,
  • 00:12:35.143 --> 00:12:38.012
  • to defeat the darkLord of depression,
  • 00:12:38.012 --> 00:12:40.014
  • so we were armed to the teeth.
  • 00:12:40.014 --> 00:12:41.516
  • And the first one we goover is prayer walks.
  • 00:12:41.516 --> 00:12:43.418
  • - Yeah, so we won't have timeto go through all of them.
  • 00:12:43.418 --> 00:12:45.687
  • There's a few inthere that to me was,
  • 00:12:46.788 --> 00:12:48.356
  • I was like, these are genius.
  • 00:12:48.356 --> 00:12:50.425
  • A lot of people have notheard of prayer walks.
  • 00:12:50.425 --> 00:12:52.393
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:12:52.393 --> 00:12:53.628
  • - A lot of timeswe think of like,
  • 00:12:53.628 --> 00:12:55.830
  • like we did it on missionarytrips back in the day
  • 00:12:55.830 --> 00:12:57.932
  • where we would pray atlike a temple or something
  • 00:12:57.932 --> 00:13:00.134
  • to kind of likebreak some darkness.
  • 00:13:00.134 --> 00:13:01.369
  • What do you mean by,what is a prayer walk?
  • 00:13:01.369 --> 00:13:02.670
  • - Well, a lot of peoplethink when you pray,
  • 00:13:02.670 --> 00:13:04.172
  • you're supposed to fold yourhands and close your eyes,
  • 00:13:04.172 --> 00:13:05.807
  • which is never talkedabout in the Bible,
  • 00:13:05.807 --> 00:13:08.977
  • as the mode for prayer.
  • 00:13:08.977 --> 00:13:10.245
  • - Interesting.- Never once
  • 00:13:10.245 --> 00:13:11.379
  • - Never once.- Yeah.
  • 00:13:11.379 --> 00:13:12.847
  • - The folding, your handsand closing your eyes,
  • 00:13:12.847 --> 00:13:14.048
  • I think some parentprobably made up
  • 00:13:14.048 --> 00:13:15.350
  • so their kid wouldn'tget squirrelly.
  • 00:13:15.350 --> 00:13:17.185
  • But actually the Bibleseems to emphasize,
  • 00:13:17.185 --> 00:13:19.387
  • first of all, theJewish way of praying
  • 00:13:19.387 --> 00:13:20.922
  • was always standing up.
  • 00:13:20.922 --> 00:13:22.357
  • A few times in the Bible,you'll see kneeling.
  • 00:13:22.357 --> 00:13:24.092
  • Ezra did it, Paul theapostle did it, Jesus did it,
  • 00:13:24.092 --> 00:13:27.629
  • Steven did it,prostrating themselves.
  • 00:13:27.629 --> 00:13:29.297
  • But a lot of times,you see walking.
  • 00:13:29.297 --> 00:13:31.366
  • - Enoch walked with Godand was transited up.
  • 00:13:32.533 --> 00:13:33.768
  • God told Abrahamwalked before me,
  • 00:13:33.768 --> 00:13:35.470
  • God walked in thecool of the day.
  • 00:13:35.470 --> 00:13:37.272
  • Paul said, "Walk worthy ofthe calling you've received."
  • 00:13:37.272 --> 00:13:39.307
  • - Didn't Adam and Evesort of walk with God too.
  • 00:13:39.307 --> 00:13:40.708
  • - Yeah, in the cool of the day.
  • 00:13:40.708 --> 00:13:42.176
  • But it actually says, Godwalked in the cool of the day.
  • 00:13:42.176 --> 00:13:44.345
  • So it's like, He's walking
  • 00:13:44.345 --> 00:13:45.580
  • and they can joinHim if he wants.
  • 00:13:45.580 --> 00:13:46.814
  • And I love that metaphorbecause God's walking,
  • 00:13:46.814 --> 00:13:49.550
  • do we wanna join him?
  • 00:13:49.550 --> 00:13:50.585
  • - Yeah- In the garden, so-
  • 00:13:50.585 --> 00:13:52.153
  • - We even have these expressionslike, walk with Jesus.
  • 00:13:52.153 --> 00:13:53.955
  • - Yeah a hundred percent.
  • 00:13:53.955 --> 00:13:55.156
  • So what's interestingabout walking is,
  • 00:13:55.156 --> 00:13:57.592
  • Duke university did astudy that found that,
  • 00:13:57.592 --> 00:13:59.727
  • over an eight monthperiod of time,
  • 00:13:59.727 --> 00:14:00.995
  • people who walk30 minutes a day,
  • 00:14:00.995 --> 00:14:02.597
  • actually gainedno abdominal fat.
  • 00:14:02.597 --> 00:14:04.432
  • So when it comes tophysical exercise,
  • 00:14:04.432 --> 00:14:06.367
  • it profits you a little,but the spiritual exercise-
  • 00:14:06.367 --> 00:14:08.536
  • - Wait bro, bro You'vegotta say that again.
  • 00:14:08.536 --> 00:14:10.338
  • Is it a promise for noabdominal fat for me?
  • 00:14:10.338 --> 00:14:12.273
  • - Over an eightmonth period of time,
  • 00:14:12.273 --> 00:14:14.242
  • if you will walk 30 minutesa day, about six days a week,
  • 00:14:14.242 --> 00:14:17.045
  • according to Duke university,
  • 00:14:17.045 --> 00:14:18.579
  • you'll gain no abdominalfat over a period of time.
  • 00:14:18.579 --> 00:14:20.148
  • So that profits you a little,
  • 00:14:20.148 --> 00:14:22.116
  • but spiritual exerciseprofits you both now
  • 00:14:22.116 --> 00:14:24.319
  • and in the life tocome in this sense,
  • 00:14:24.319 --> 00:14:26.521
  • when you go on 30 minute walks,
  • 00:14:26.521 --> 00:14:28.456
  • there's somethingabout research showing
  • 00:14:28.456 --> 00:14:30.158
  • the half hour walk, actuallyenlarges your hippocampus,
  • 00:14:30.158 --> 00:14:33.494
  • which is the part of your brain,
  • 00:14:33.494 --> 00:14:34.762
  • where the seat ofmemory is stored.
  • 00:14:34.762 --> 00:14:36.364
  • So you have better memory,
  • 00:14:36.364 --> 00:14:37.799
  • and intelligence is a lotbased on memory and connections
  • 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.768
  • in your psychologicalconstitution,
  • 00:14:40.768 --> 00:14:43.171
  • cranial packagesrebuild gray matter.
  • 00:14:43.171 --> 00:14:44.872
  • So it's actually good foryour brain is what I'm saying.
  • 00:14:44.872 --> 00:14:47.108
  • And what research has found,
  • 00:14:47.108 --> 00:14:48.476
  • is the top three bestthings for your brain
  • 00:14:48.476 --> 00:14:50.945
  • are exercise, reading
  • 00:14:50.945 --> 00:14:53.114
  • and prayer slash meditation.- Yeah.
  • 00:14:53.114 --> 00:14:55.650
  • - So what's interestingabout this to me is,
  • 00:14:55.650 --> 00:14:58.419
  • I love to go out onthe streets at night
  • 00:14:58.419 --> 00:15:01.189
  • and just talk out loud to God.
  • 00:15:01.189 --> 00:15:03.391
  • Now people say, well Ben,
  • 00:15:03.391 --> 00:15:05.093
  • what if othersthink you're crazy?
  • 00:15:05.093 --> 00:15:06.627
  • I'm like, well that'sokay because everyone else
  • 00:15:06.627 --> 00:15:08.730
  • at night is walkingon the streets
  • 00:15:08.730 --> 00:15:09.931
  • they might be talkingto themselves.
  • 00:15:09.931 --> 00:15:11.399
  • So I join the crowd,
  • 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.068
  • but what scientificresearch has shown,
  • 00:15:14.068 --> 00:15:17.805
  • this is huge, listen to this.
  • 00:15:17.805 --> 00:15:19.674
  • When you talk to God aboutthree things, your hopes, fears
  • 00:15:19.674 --> 00:15:23.845
  • and dreams, it hasthe same effect
  • 00:15:23.845 --> 00:15:25.747
  • on your brain astherapy, that's a fact.
  • 00:15:25.747 --> 00:15:28.416
  • And this wonderful counselor,His therapies free.
  • 00:15:28.416 --> 00:15:30.551
  • It's a free gift.
  • 00:15:30.551 --> 00:15:32.053
  • And you're not like, Oh, am Igoing to fork over 150 bucks
  • 00:15:32.053 --> 00:15:33.821
  • and not know if this counselingsession is going to work?
  • 00:15:33.821 --> 00:15:35.690
  • No, the Bible says He'sa wonderful counselor
  • 00:15:35.690 --> 00:15:37.759
  • and his therapy, His eternal
  • 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.660
  • and abundant lifeis a free gift.
  • 00:15:39.660 --> 00:15:41.195
  • So when you talk to God aboutyour hopes, fears and dreams,
  • 00:15:41.195 --> 00:15:43.631
  • it is the same effect onyour brain as therapy.
  • 00:15:43.631 --> 00:15:47.035
  • And Bobby, if I hadto pick one thing,
  • 00:15:47.035 --> 00:15:49.971
  • that saved me from depression,
  • 00:15:49.971 --> 00:15:51.539
  • and I'm dead serious about this,
  • 00:15:51.539 --> 00:15:53.341
  • it's just going on walks,talking to God. About what?
  • 00:15:53.341 --> 00:15:56.978
  • Not orphans in Zimbabweor missionaries in Gambia,
  • 00:15:56.978 --> 00:15:59.580
  • as great as that is.
  • 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:01.049
  • But talking to Godabout my hopes,
  • 00:16:01.049 --> 00:16:02.784
  • God here's what Iwanna see happen.
  • 00:16:02.784 --> 00:16:04.452
  • My dreams, here'swhat I wanna project
  • 00:16:04.452 --> 00:16:06.821
  • into the future with my destiny.
  • 00:16:06.821 --> 00:16:08.589
  • And my fears, Lord can youbelieve what she said about me
  • 00:16:08.589 --> 00:16:11.192
  • or what he did to me?
  • 00:16:11.192 --> 00:16:12.393
  • God's like, Oh you gossip.
  • 00:16:12.393 --> 00:16:13.661
  • I didn't know they did that.
  • 00:16:13.661 --> 00:16:14.996
  • No, He knows.
  • 00:16:14.996 --> 00:16:16.431
  • So you can be very,very honest with God.
  • 00:16:16.431 --> 00:16:18.800
  • - What do you say topeople like I think of,
  • 00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:21.135
  • you know, a couple of myparents have knee problems.
  • 00:16:21.135 --> 00:16:23.604
  • It's kinda hard forthem to walk actually.
  • 00:16:23.604 --> 00:16:25.673
  • Or you know, people thatare in a wheelchair,
  • 00:16:25.673 --> 00:16:28.409
  • they can't really walk you know,
  • 00:16:28.409 --> 00:16:29.944
  • what do you say, can theystill kind of practice?
  • 00:16:29.944 --> 00:16:31.579
  • - They're gonna like this one.- Okay.
  • 00:16:31.579 --> 00:16:33.347
  • - The book of Psalms saysthat, one of the Psalm
  • 00:16:33.347 --> 00:16:36.317
  • is actually meditatedupon his bed.
  • 00:16:36.317 --> 00:16:38.352
  • So there's actually aprecedent in the Bible
  • 00:16:38.352 --> 00:16:41.089
  • for praying lying down.
  • 00:16:41.089 --> 00:16:42.757
  • The reason why I tryto go on prayer walks
  • 00:16:42.757 --> 00:16:45.293
  • is because I get sleepy.
  • 00:16:45.293 --> 00:16:46.627
  • So that helps me.
  • 00:16:46.627 --> 00:16:47.829
  • But you can actuallypray lying down.
  • 00:16:47.829 --> 00:16:49.931
  • I like to take Epsom saltbaths, or sit in the sauna,
  • 00:16:49.931 --> 00:16:53.067
  • or go in hot tub.
  • 00:16:53.067 --> 00:16:54.335
  • I'm not saying that'sthe only way to do it,
  • 00:16:54.335 --> 00:16:55.903
  • but I'm just saying, for methat mechanism was important,
  • 00:16:55.903 --> 00:16:58.706
  • but that the substanceis what matters most.
  • 00:16:58.706 --> 00:17:00.975
  • And that is that whateverway is comfortable for you
  • 00:17:00.975 --> 00:17:03.311
  • as the temple forthe Holy spirit,
  • 00:17:03.311 --> 00:17:04.812
  • that you really do spendyour time alone with God.
  • 00:17:04.812 --> 00:17:06.914
  • - I really love, man I'veloved walking so much.
  • 00:17:06.914 --> 00:17:08.916
  • And of course, we're lucky
  • 00:17:08.916 --> 00:17:10.318
  • because I live inSouthern California.
  • 00:17:10.318 --> 00:17:12.086
  • You're in a place like Oregon,
  • 00:17:12.954 --> 00:17:14.255
  • where there's a lot ofrain and cold weather.
  • 00:17:14.255 --> 00:17:16.190
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:17:16.190 --> 00:17:17.425
  • - Do you still go outand it's like freezing.
  • 00:17:17.425 --> 00:17:18.759
  • - It's epic dude.- It's the best time of year-
  • 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:19.794
  • - Makes it more epic.- Okay.
  • 00:17:19.794 --> 00:17:21.195
  • - You put on your jacket,go on in the rain,
  • 00:17:21.195 --> 00:17:22.463
  • Like even in the snow,It's really majestic.
  • 00:17:22.463 --> 00:17:25.600
  • Like, you feel likeyou're in a movie.
  • 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:27.068
  • - There is something,there is something like so.
  • 00:17:27.068 --> 00:17:29.437
  • I actually write allof my sermons walking.
  • 00:17:29.437 --> 00:17:31.506
  • So I take a clipboard,
  • 00:17:31.506 --> 00:17:33.908
  • and I usually have likea few hours of study,
  • 00:17:33.908 --> 00:17:37.245
  • but then it's reallyhard to get the insight
  • 00:17:37.245 --> 00:17:41.149
  • into like how am I really gonnahelp people in my audience?
  • 00:17:41.149 --> 00:17:45.019
  • And I mean, the short answer is
  • 00:17:45.019 --> 00:17:46.554
  • the Holy spirit has togive you the answer.
  • 00:17:46.554 --> 00:17:48.322
  • And so the best wayfor me personally
  • 00:17:48.322 --> 00:17:49.891
  • to kind of open my mind andmy heart to Holy spirit,
  • 00:17:49.891 --> 00:17:52.827
  • there is something about justa little bit of exercise.
  • 00:17:52.827 --> 00:17:56.097
  • That's not strenuous at all,
  • 00:17:56.097 --> 00:17:57.565
  • like walking outside,fresh air, and I just have
  • 00:17:57.565 --> 00:18:00.401
  • this clipboard and I pray too.
  • 00:18:00.401 --> 00:18:01.802
  • You know, and I'll go,sometimes I'll walk back Bay.
  • 00:18:01.802 --> 00:18:03.571
  • It's like 10 miles.- Yeah.
  • 00:18:03.571 --> 00:18:05.072
  • - But you take it slow, youknow, you sit down a lot,
  • 00:18:05.072 --> 00:18:07.608
  • you just kinda make it,you know, a journey.
  • 00:18:07.608 --> 00:18:10.978
  • And if I've ever felt likewhere I'm getting like,
  • 00:18:10.978 --> 00:18:15.216
  • there's something, I don't know
  • 00:18:15.216 --> 00:18:16.784
  • if I want to call it depression,
  • 00:18:16.784 --> 00:18:18.819
  • but there's somethingthat happens sometimes
  • 00:18:18.819 --> 00:18:21.222
  • where everything soundsbad, you know what I mean?
  • 00:18:21.222 --> 00:18:24.659
  • - A hundred percent.
  • 00:18:24.659 --> 00:18:25.860
  • - Like, do you wannago see a movie?
  • 00:18:25.860 --> 00:18:26.661
  • It's doesn't sound good.
  • 00:18:26.661 --> 00:18:28.095
  • You wanna go to dinner?It doesn't sound good.
  • 00:18:28.095 --> 00:18:29.163
  • You wanna go to the gym?
  • 00:18:29.163 --> 00:18:30.364
  • No it doesn't sound,everything just-
  • 00:18:30.364 --> 00:18:32.166
  • - I got so depressed-
  • 00:18:32.166 --> 00:18:33.367
  • - Do I wanna stay here?No it doesn't sound-
  • 00:18:33.367 --> 00:18:34.802
  • - I got so depressed,food didn't taste good.
  • 00:18:34.802 --> 00:18:36.470
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:18:36.470 --> 00:18:37.405
  • - I didn't wanna listen to music
  • 00:18:37.405 --> 00:18:38.639
  • when I was with myfriends in the car.
  • 00:18:38.639 --> 00:18:39.874
  • I'm like, "Can youturn off the music?"
  • 00:18:39.874 --> 00:18:40.541
  • Like it was bad.
  • 00:18:40.541 --> 00:18:41.809
  • - That's kind of whatdepression is, right?
  • 00:18:41.809 --> 00:18:43.144
  • - Yes.- It's kinda like nothing-
  • 00:18:43.144 --> 00:18:44.312
  • - You lose interestin everything.
  • 00:18:44.312 --> 00:18:45.279
  • - Nothing sounds good.
  • 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:46.681
  • - Everything is meaningless,sayeth the preacher.
  • 00:18:46.681 --> 00:18:49.116
  • That's what it is.
  • 00:18:49.116 --> 00:18:50.318
  • - Yeah and I've foundfor me personally,
  • 00:18:50.318 --> 00:18:52.553
  • and maybe you'veexperienced this too.
  • 00:18:52.553 --> 00:18:54.021
  • If I can just get enough juice,to remember this principle.
  • 00:18:54.021 --> 00:18:57.892
  • If I put my shoes onand I put my shorts on,
  • 00:18:57.892 --> 00:19:00.761
  • and I go outside andI walk for a bit,
  • 00:19:00.761 --> 00:19:03.364
  • this cloud, it doeslift, doesn't it?
  • 00:19:03.364 --> 00:19:05.499
  • I mean, there'ssomething about it-
  • 00:19:05.499 --> 00:19:06.734
  • - In our generation,this is a big problem.
  • 00:19:06.734 --> 00:19:08.469
  • And I'm gonna be very realwith the millennials here
  • 00:19:08.469 --> 00:19:10.905
  • and the centennials.
  • 00:19:10.905 --> 00:19:12.240
  • We don't go outsideas a people anymore.
  • 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.443
  • Like it used, they'reused to be this place.
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  • Let me enlighten youyounger people out there.
  • 00:19:17.178 --> 00:19:19.914
  • It used to be, there was thisplace called blockbuster.
  • 00:19:19.914 --> 00:19:22.883
  • (laughter)
  • 00:19:22.883 --> 00:19:24.051
  • You had to go outsideto rent a movie.
  • 00:19:24.051 --> 00:19:25.987
  • Nowadays we just get it through,
  • 00:19:25.987 --> 00:19:27.088
  • and I love technology.
  • 00:19:27.088 --> 00:19:28.589
  • I love that we can justget our movies on Netflix,
  • 00:19:28.589 --> 00:19:30.958
  • and we can Amazonprime and Uber eats,
  • 00:19:30.958 --> 00:19:33.427
  • but you can survivethe rest of your life
  • 00:19:33.427 --> 00:19:35.029
  • without ever going outside.
  • 00:19:35.029 --> 00:19:36.664
  • - Yeah that's right.
  • 00:19:36.664 --> 00:19:37.898
  • - And that does lenditself to depression.
  • 00:19:37.898 --> 00:19:39.233
  • There's somethingabout going outside.
  • 00:19:39.233 --> 00:19:41.669
  • And that's why I sayprayer walks as well.
  • 00:19:41.669 --> 00:19:43.904
  • Going outside amongGod's creation.
  • 00:19:43.904 --> 00:19:45.806
  • The whole earth isthe temple for God.
  • 00:19:45.806 --> 00:19:48.142
  • It speaks to the glory of God,and if we don't explore that,
  • 00:19:48.142 --> 00:19:50.578
  • we're missing outon a lot of the joy
  • 00:19:50.578 --> 00:19:52.346
  • God wants us to experience.
  • 00:19:52.346 --> 00:19:53.681
  • And let me just addone last thing to that.
  • 00:19:53.681 --> 00:19:55.549
  • This prayer walks thing thatI'm very passionate about,
  • 00:19:55.549 --> 00:19:58.185
  • and I'm gonna get very deep.
  • 00:19:58.185 --> 00:19:59.487
  • So don't worry we're gonna come
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  • to the service in 60 seconds,
  • 00:20:00.521 --> 00:20:02.523
  • but there's this branch ofscience called neuroplasticity
  • 00:20:02.523 --> 00:20:05.860
  • that shows through DanielAmmons, who is a brain scientist
  • 00:20:05.860 --> 00:20:09.897
  • who did more brain scans
  • 00:20:09.897 --> 00:20:11.098
  • than anyone in history83.000 brain scans
  • 00:20:11.098 --> 00:20:14.168
  • through magneticresonance imaging.
  • 00:20:14.168 --> 00:20:15.803
  • He found that the number onemost important discovery about
  • 00:20:15.803 --> 00:20:18.506
  • the brain that he made, isthat the brain can change.
  • 00:20:18.506 --> 00:20:21.809
  • Through rote and repetition,through continuous practice,
  • 00:20:21.809 --> 00:20:24.945
  • you can change the grooves andmuscle memory in your brain.
  • 00:20:24.945 --> 00:20:27.682
  • So if you say, "Well I'm justnaturally a depressed person."
  • 00:20:27.682 --> 00:20:30.985
  • Through practice, youcan change the makeup
  • 00:20:30.985 --> 00:20:33.054
  • of your three pound gray matter.
  • 00:20:33.054 --> 00:20:34.555
  • So, one of the ways to dothis is through prayer.
  • 00:20:34.555 --> 00:20:38.125
  • Through brain scans, we foundthat when you talk to God,
  • 00:20:38.125 --> 00:20:41.862
  • a God who is loving andintentionally to God,
  • 00:20:41.862 --> 00:20:44.965
  • the frontal lobe of your brain
  • 00:20:44.965 --> 00:20:46.434
  • activates into its highestintellectual capacity,
  • 00:20:46.434 --> 00:20:48.602
  • and you actually boostyour brain intelligence.
  • 00:20:48.602 --> 00:20:50.471
  • Furthermore, yourprefrontal cortex,
  • 00:20:50.471 --> 00:20:52.606
  • which is the part ofyour brain responsible
  • 00:20:52.606 --> 00:20:54.141
  • for creative thinking,
  • 00:20:54.141 --> 00:20:55.743
  • you build richer thicker graymatter there when you pray
  • 00:20:55.743 --> 00:20:58.446
  • to a loving God.
  • 00:20:58.446 --> 00:20:59.680
  • You also have more activity
  • 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.115
  • in your anteriorcingulate cortex,
  • 00:21:01.115 --> 00:21:02.983
  • which is just the partof your brain responsible
  • 00:21:02.983 --> 00:21:05.353
  • for empathy and compassion.
  • 00:21:05.353 --> 00:21:07.054
  • You're more lovingto other people,
  • 00:21:07.054 --> 00:21:08.389
  • because you can't putsomeone on your hit list
  • 00:21:08.389 --> 00:21:10.324
  • who you also put onyour prayer list.
  • 00:21:10.324 --> 00:21:12.326
  • Which is why Jesus said, "Loveand pray for your enemies."
  • 00:21:12.326 --> 00:21:14.995
  • He said pray for them.
  • 00:21:14.995 --> 00:21:16.230
  • And then also, if youpray to an angry God
  • 00:21:16.230 --> 00:21:19.233
  • and a lot of religiouspeople pray to placate
  • 00:21:19.233 --> 00:21:21.469
  • the wrath of an angry God,
  • 00:21:21.469 --> 00:21:22.903
  • you have higher bloodflow to your amygdala,
  • 00:21:22.903 --> 00:21:24.839
  • which is the part ofyour brain responsible
  • 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:26.407
  • for fear, anger, and stress.
  • 00:21:26.407 --> 00:21:27.942
  • So what you think about Godis the most important thing
  • 00:21:27.942 --> 00:21:30.911
  • about you, as a man thinksin his heart so is he.
  • 00:21:30.911 --> 00:21:33.547
  • So through neuro-plasticity,
  • 00:21:33.547 --> 00:21:35.216
  • if we pray to a loving God,
  • 00:21:35.216 --> 00:21:36.650
  • we actually can changethe biochemistry
  • 00:21:36.650 --> 00:21:39.420
  • and makeup of our brain.
  • 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:40.988
  • - So translation,if you go on a walk,
  • 00:21:40.988 --> 00:21:43.391
  • your brain's going to be better.
  • 00:21:43.391 --> 00:21:45.426
  • - That's it, thatsums it all up.
  • 00:21:45.426 --> 00:21:46.627
  • - That's it man, youjust gotta go on a walk,
  • 00:21:46.627 --> 00:21:48.929
  • get out of the house,
  • 00:21:48.929 --> 00:21:50.097
  • go walk and pray.- That's it.
  • 00:21:50.097 --> 00:21:52.566
  • - And God's gonna dosomething, it's okay.
  • 00:21:52.566 --> 00:21:54.935
  • So there's somethingelse in your book.
  • 00:21:54.935 --> 00:21:56.771
  • I wanna to talk aboutthis coming up next.
  • 00:21:56.771 --> 00:21:58.472
  • It's called "Own your oddness."
  • 00:21:58.472 --> 00:21:59.840
  • Maybe you havefelt in your life,
  • 00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:02.276
  • that you're a littlebit of an oddball.
  • 00:22:02.276 --> 00:22:03.644
  • Join the club.
  • 00:22:03.644 --> 00:22:04.812
  • Ben and I are oddballs too.- Yap.
  • 00:22:04.812 --> 00:22:06.414
  • I think that's whywe are friends.
  • 00:22:06.414 --> 00:22:08.449
  • - I think so yeah.- Yeah.
  • 00:22:08.449 --> 00:22:09.650
  • - And also that actuallybeing a little weird
  • 00:22:09.650 --> 00:22:12.186
  • is actually a biblical thing.
  • 00:22:12.186 --> 00:22:13.854
  • Ben, you're not toofar from Portland
  • 00:22:13.854 --> 00:22:15.556
  • who's you know,
  • 00:22:15.556 --> 00:22:16.824
  • bumper stickers sayingis keep Portland weird.
  • 00:22:16.824 --> 00:22:19.794
  • So we're gonna talk aboutthat coming up next,
  • 00:22:19.794 --> 00:22:22.530
  • right after this.
  • 00:22:22.530 --> 00:22:23.531
  • - Sometimes we flirt withthe darkness of depression
  • 00:22:24.999 --> 00:22:27.201
  • and despair, and strugglewith suicide ideation
  • 00:22:27.201 --> 00:22:31.372
  • because we start to feelforgotten and alone.
  • 00:22:31.372 --> 00:22:35.009
  • But in the book of Isaiah, Godsaid, "Would a nursing mother
  • 00:22:35.009 --> 00:22:37.878
  • "forget about her child?
  • 00:22:37.878 --> 00:22:39.380
  • "She would never.
  • 00:22:39.380 --> 00:22:40.748
  • "Yet even if she would.,
  • 00:22:40.748 --> 00:22:41.982
  • "I'll never forgetabout you Oh, Israel,
  • 00:22:41.982 --> 00:22:43.884
  • "I've engraved your nameon the Palm of my hand."
  • 00:22:43.884 --> 00:22:46.654
  • What a promise.
  • 00:22:46.654 --> 00:22:47.655
  • (uplifting music)
  • 00:22:47.655 --> 00:22:49.990
  • If you feel forgotten about,
  • 00:22:49.990 --> 00:22:51.525
  • remember that, God willalways remember you.
  • 00:22:51.525 --> 00:22:55.162
  • Interestingly, He compareshimself to a nursing mother.
  • 00:22:55.162 --> 00:23:00.134
  • Now a nursing motheris the paradigm
  • 00:23:00.134 --> 00:23:02.169
  • of the gospel personified.
  • 00:23:02.169 --> 00:23:04.138
  • When a mother givesbirth to a child,
  • 00:23:04.138 --> 00:23:05.940
  • her body is broken open, butas her body is broken open,
  • 00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:09.910
  • she gives birth to a child.
  • 00:23:09.910 --> 00:23:12.213
  • In the same way Jesus said,
  • 00:23:12.213 --> 00:23:13.914
  • "This is my bodybroken for you."
  • 00:23:13.914 --> 00:23:16.550
  • And although like Job,
  • 00:23:16.550 --> 00:23:18.052
  • you might have cursed theday of your first birth,
  • 00:23:18.052 --> 00:23:20.621
  • you will never, John three,curse the day of your new birth,
  • 00:23:20.621 --> 00:23:24.391
  • He's come to make us born again.
  • 00:23:24.391 --> 00:23:26.894
  • And then the childlongs for food.
  • 00:23:26.894 --> 00:23:29.363
  • So what does the mother do?
  • 00:23:29.363 --> 00:23:30.731
  • She nurses the childon her breast and says,
  • 00:23:30.731 --> 00:23:33.834
  • "Take eat this is my body."
  • 00:23:33.834 --> 00:23:36.136
  • It's exactly what Jesus does.
  • 00:23:36.136 --> 00:23:37.838
  • (uplifting music)
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  • So just as a motheris a personification
  • 00:23:48.582 --> 00:23:51.252
  • of the paradigm of thegospel first birth,
  • 00:23:51.252 --> 00:23:54.288
  • so to Jesus represents aGod who compares Himself
  • 00:23:54.288 --> 00:23:57.625
  • to a nursing mother, whogives us a second birth.
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  • We don't have to flirt withdarkness because the light of
  • 00:24:01.195 --> 00:24:03.697
  • the world is with usto give us new birth.
  • 00:24:03.697 --> 00:24:06.534
  • - Yeah, I'm so proud of you.
  • 00:24:10.471 --> 00:24:11.906
  • So many peopletoday are feeling so
  • 00:24:11.906 --> 00:24:15.509
  • just so blue, struggling,worried about the economy,
  • 00:24:15.509 --> 00:24:18.345
  • worried about the future,worried about their jobs,
  • 00:24:18.345 --> 00:24:20.915
  • worried about their kids.
  • 00:24:20.915 --> 00:24:22.416
  • And if you're feeling that way,
  • 00:24:22.416 --> 00:24:23.617
  • if you've beenfeeling super anxious
  • 00:24:23.617 --> 00:24:25.052
  • or even kind of depressive,like it's just hard.
  • 00:24:25.052 --> 00:24:27.187
  • Nothing sounds good, butyou are where you are.
  • 00:24:27.187 --> 00:24:29.890
  • You have stayed in the fight.
  • 00:24:29.890 --> 00:24:31.458
  • I want you to know Iam so, so proud of you.
  • 00:24:31.458 --> 00:24:33.961
  • And as pastors, Ben and I,
  • 00:24:33.961 --> 00:24:35.896
  • we want you to know,
  • 00:24:35.896 --> 00:24:37.131
  • we are thinking of youand praying for you,
  • 00:24:37.131 --> 00:24:39.099
  • and we just know you'regoing to get through this
  • 00:24:39.099 --> 00:24:40.568
  • and excited to see what Godis gonna do in your life
  • 00:24:40.568 --> 00:24:43.904
  • when you get through this thing.
  • 00:24:43.904 --> 00:24:45.372
  • You know, people that getthrough tough times like this
  • 00:24:45.372 --> 00:24:48.609
  • and are glad theydidn't give up,
  • 00:24:48.609 --> 00:24:50.244
  • are glad they didn'ttake their own lives,
  • 00:24:50.244 --> 00:24:51.679
  • they always lookback and they say,
  • 00:24:51.679 --> 00:24:53.180
  • "I'm so glad I got through that.
  • 00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:55.416
  • "Not only did it make methe person I am today,
  • 00:24:55.416 --> 00:24:57.918
  • "but the Lord turned itaround for my favor."
  • 00:24:57.918 --> 00:25:00.187
  • And I think that's exactly,
  • 00:25:00.187 --> 00:25:01.488
  • I know that'swhat's gonna happen.
  • 00:25:01.488 --> 00:25:02.990
  • If you press through, Godis gonna turn things around
  • 00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:05.826
  • for your favor.
  • 00:25:05.826 --> 00:25:07.061
  • And this is gonna bea part of your story.
  • 00:25:07.061 --> 00:25:08.696
  • You know, your test isgonna be your testimony.
  • 00:25:08.696 --> 00:25:10.431
  • I think John Maxwell or somegreat thinkers said that-
  • 00:25:10.431 --> 00:25:13.300
  • - And your mess isgonna be your message.
  • 00:25:13.300 --> 00:25:15.235
  • - That's it, man.- Yap.
  • 00:25:15.235 --> 00:25:16.470
  • - That's it. And it'shard to remember.
  • 00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:18.005
  • It's easy at these timesto feel like we're alone.
  • 00:25:18.005 --> 00:25:20.874
  • And one of the things thatcan make people this way,
  • 00:25:20.874 --> 00:25:25.179
  • you know , like there's a cloud,
  • 00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:28.415
  • I'm feeling anxious orI'm feeling depressive,
  • 00:25:28.415 --> 00:25:31.018
  • is this idea that I'mnever gonna fit in.
  • 00:25:31.018 --> 00:25:33.187
  • That I'm never going to have a,
  • 00:25:33.187 --> 00:25:34.655
  • I'm never going to get married,
  • 00:25:34.655 --> 00:25:36.323
  • I'm never going to havea close group of friends,
  • 00:25:36.323 --> 00:25:38.759
  • I'm never going to be, you know,
  • 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:39.760
  • find a church that's encouraging
  • 00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:41.695
  • where people areexcited to see me,
  • 00:25:41.695 --> 00:25:43.697
  • I'm not gonna bond deeply,
  • 00:25:44.732 --> 00:25:46.000
  • or maybe we're we lostsomeone in our lives,
  • 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.302
  • a spouse, a parent,a best friend.
  • 00:25:48.302 --> 00:25:51.572
  • And we just think I'mnever gonna have somebody
  • 00:25:51.572 --> 00:25:53.307
  • like that again.
  • 00:25:53.307 --> 00:25:54.575
  • Well, I want you toknow those are lies.
  • 00:25:54.575 --> 00:25:56.176
  • That God has greatpeople in store for you.
  • 00:25:56.176 --> 00:25:59.146
  • And sometimes we think thatbecause we're kinda odd,
  • 00:25:59.146 --> 00:26:03.384
  • or kinda different, we're kinda,
  • 00:26:03.384 --> 00:26:05.619
  • you know outside, thatwe'll never belong,
  • 00:26:05.619 --> 00:26:08.088
  • because the way to belongis to be like everybody.
  • 00:26:08.088 --> 00:26:09.990
  • But the truth is, thatyou're an interesting person.
  • 00:26:09.990 --> 00:26:13.661
  • And very often theoddities about you
  • 00:26:13.661 --> 00:26:17.364
  • are the very things that bring,
  • 00:26:17.364 --> 00:26:18.899
  • you know, a littlesalt and pepper.
  • 00:26:18.899 --> 00:26:20.434
  • - That's right.
  • 00:26:20.434 --> 00:26:21.735
  • - It brings a littleflavor, you know to-
  • 00:26:21.735 --> 00:26:23.737
  • - Your oddities areyour commodities.
  • 00:26:23.737 --> 00:26:25.039
  • - That's it man.
  • 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.273
  • And that's what I wannatalk to you is this,
  • 00:26:26.273 --> 00:26:27.241
  • this is one of your messages
  • 00:26:27.241 --> 00:26:28.042
  • in this sort of guide tohow do we get our joy back,
  • 00:26:29.476 --> 00:26:32.446
  • how do we get ourexcitement back?
  • 00:26:32.446 --> 00:26:33.981
  • How do we get ourbig vision back?
  • 00:26:33.981 --> 00:26:36.150
  • One of the that'simportant to you,
  • 00:26:36.150 --> 00:26:38.218
  • is showing people the ideathat being odd I mean,
  • 00:26:38.218 --> 00:26:41.455
  • that's a good thing, right?
  • 00:26:41.455 --> 00:26:42.690
  • - It's a good thing.Own your oddness.
  • 00:26:42.690 --> 00:26:44.925
  • Your oddities areyour commodities.
  • 00:26:44.925 --> 00:26:47.561
  • Like there's this interestingpassage in the Bible
  • 00:26:47.561 --> 00:26:50.264
  • where we're told to threeleft-handed individuals
  • 00:26:50.264 --> 00:26:52.700
  • in the Bible, only threelefthanded individuals.
  • 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:55.169
  • Being left-handed inbiblical times, not today.
  • 00:26:55.169 --> 00:26:57.237
  • In biblical times, itwas considered a curse.
  • 00:26:57.237 --> 00:26:59.640
  • And yet one of theseleft-handed guys was named Ehud,
  • 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.443
  • and he was able to assassinatethe wicked King of Moab,
  • 00:27:02.443 --> 00:27:05.179
  • who was ruling overIsrael for 18 years.
  • 00:27:05.179 --> 00:27:07.648
  • His name was Eglon.
  • 00:27:07.648 --> 00:27:09.116
  • The Bible says he was a veryfat man, like a big guy.
  • 00:27:09.116 --> 00:27:11.985
  • He comes in and he'sable to assassinate him.
  • 00:27:11.985 --> 00:27:14.955
  • You say, how didhe bring a dagger
  • 00:27:14.955 --> 00:27:16.356
  • into the presence of the King?
  • 00:27:16.356 --> 00:27:17.858
  • Well, when the body guardswould frisk him culturally,
  • 00:27:17.858 --> 00:27:20.060
  • they would have friskedthe left side of his body.
  • 00:27:20.060 --> 00:27:23.130
  • Because if you're right-handed,
  • 00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:24.364
  • you draw a swordacross your body.
  • 00:27:24.364 --> 00:27:26.266
  • But because he was a Southpaw,
  • 00:27:26.266 --> 00:27:27.601
  • he could sneak inwithout getting frisked.
  • 00:27:27.601 --> 00:27:29.803
  • So he was able to accomplishhis military mission
  • 00:27:29.803 --> 00:27:32.706
  • and he wiped out 10.000it says lusty men of Moab.
  • 00:27:32.706 --> 00:27:36.443
  • He was a great warrior,is what it's saying.
  • 00:27:36.443 --> 00:27:38.278
  • Because the very thing
  • 00:27:38.278 --> 00:27:39.546
  • that others lookedat him as his curse,
  • 00:27:39.546 --> 00:27:41.248
  • God used it as his greatblessing and his great strength.
  • 00:27:41.248 --> 00:27:44.151
  • Own your oddness, youroddities are your commodities.
  • 00:27:44.151 --> 00:27:46.553
  • And little fun fact, sixof the last 13 presidents,
  • 00:27:46.553 --> 00:27:49.923
  • have been lefthanded.
  • 00:27:49.923 --> 00:27:51.425
  • And the first Southpaw, wasJames Garfield who could write
  • 00:27:51.425 --> 00:27:54.228
  • a sentence in Latin with onehand, and a sentence in Greek,
  • 00:27:54.228 --> 00:27:56.864
  • same sentence in Greek withthe other hand simultaneously.
  • 00:27:56.864 --> 00:27:59.600
  • So he was trilingualand ambidextrous
  • 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:01.702
  • at the same time, wild.
  • 00:28:01.702 --> 00:28:03.070
  • - People hated him I'm sure.
  • 00:28:03.070 --> 00:28:04.872
  • - Oh yeah. Well, he gotassassinated in six months.
  • 00:28:04.872 --> 00:28:06.673
  • - Oh, did he?
  • 00:28:06.673 --> 00:28:07.941
  • - Yeah, so you'reright about that.
  • 00:28:07.941 --> 00:28:09.243
  • - Okay.
  • 00:28:09.243 --> 00:28:10.677
  • - But my point is that thethings that make you different,
  • 00:28:10.677 --> 00:28:12.446
  • is what enables youto make a difference.
  • 00:28:12.446 --> 00:28:14.281
  • So rather than trying to fit in,
  • 00:28:14.281 --> 00:28:15.649
  • just remember youare made to stand out
  • 00:28:15.649 --> 00:28:17.284
  • because if you don't,
  • 00:28:17.284 --> 00:28:18.485
  • and this is whatcaused me depression
  • 00:28:18.485 --> 00:28:20.087
  • for a lot of yearsamongst other maladies,
  • 00:28:20.087 --> 00:28:22.656
  • is that, when I became,
  • 00:28:22.656 --> 00:28:24.291
  • like I gave my firstsermon in third grade
  • 00:28:24.291 --> 00:28:25.993
  • and became a pastor in mysenior year of high school.
  • 00:28:25.993 --> 00:28:28.262
  • - Wow.
  • 00:28:28.262 --> 00:28:29.096
  • - So as an 18 year old-
  • 00:28:29.096 --> 00:28:30.297
  • - Hold up man, Idid that know that.
  • 00:28:30.297 --> 00:28:32.032
  • - Okay, just go,I wanna hear it.
  • 00:28:35.102 --> 00:28:36.937
  • - So third grade Ibecame a preacher.
  • 00:28:36.937 --> 00:28:38.872
  • 16 years old Istarted Bible study
  • 00:28:38.872 --> 00:28:40.541
  • and started travelingaround preaching
  • 00:28:40.541 --> 00:28:42.576
  • and then 18 years old,
  • 00:28:42.576 --> 00:28:44.011
  • I joined my dad and mybrother as a teaching pastor
  • 00:28:44.011 --> 00:28:46.180
  • at my home church in Oregon.
  • 00:28:46.180 --> 00:28:47.981
  • And so because ofthat, when I'm 18,
  • 00:28:47.981 --> 00:28:50.751
  • what's the need in my mind
  • 00:28:50.751 --> 00:28:53.086
  • that everyone wantsme to live up to.
  • 00:28:53.086 --> 00:28:54.988
  • It's I have to be thissuper serious somber Saint
  • 00:28:54.988 --> 00:28:59.393
  • and that's, I wantedto skateboard,
  • 00:28:59.393 --> 00:29:00.794
  • I wanted to do handstands.
  • 00:29:00.794 --> 00:29:02.162
  • Like I'm a very joyful person,
  • 00:29:02.162 --> 00:29:04.498
  • but I got depressedwhen I tried to just sit
  • 00:29:04.498 --> 00:29:06.700
  • in an air conditioned office,
  • 00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:07.968
  • answering emailsfrom parishioners
  • 00:29:07.968 --> 00:29:09.203
  • who thought the worshipwas too loud Sunday.
  • 00:29:09.203 --> 00:29:10.737
  • Of course I'm gonnaget depressed.
  • 00:29:10.737 --> 00:29:12.606
  • So instead I said,
  • 00:29:12.606 --> 00:29:14.041
  • "I'm not going to havecognitive dissonance anymore."
  • 00:29:14.041 --> 00:29:16.210
  • Which means you havebeliefs in your head
  • 00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:18.445
  • and behaviors in yourlife that don't match up.
  • 00:29:18.445 --> 00:29:21.114
  • Instead of trying to fake it
  • 00:29:21.114 --> 00:29:22.649
  • and project an image to theworld that isn't who I am,
  • 00:29:22.649 --> 00:29:25.352
  • which will alwayscause depression.
  • 00:29:25.352 --> 00:29:27.621
  • I am just gonna bewho God made me to be.
  • 00:29:27.621 --> 00:29:30.157
  • And when I started doing that,
  • 00:29:30.157 --> 00:29:31.658
  • when I stoppedapologizing for not being
  • 00:29:31.658 --> 00:29:33.560
  • who others expected me to be,
  • 00:29:33.560 --> 00:29:35.162
  • in other words, whenI owned my oddness,
  • 00:29:35.162 --> 00:29:37.564
  • that's when joy startedcoming into my life again.
  • 00:29:37.564 --> 00:29:40.267
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:29:40.267 --> 00:29:41.735
  • And also God, you know, Godwants us to be odd, doesn't He?
  • 00:29:41.735 --> 00:29:43.770
  • I mean, one of the descriptions,
  • 00:29:43.770 --> 00:29:45.339
  • one of the names he gives hischildren is a peculiar people.
  • 00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:48.575
  • Peculiar is like saying weird.
  • 00:29:48.575 --> 00:29:50.978
  • The word, so the old Testamentword for Holy is word Qadosh,
  • 00:29:50.978 --> 00:29:55.983
  • which is super importantto the Jewish people.
  • 00:29:57.150 --> 00:29:58.919
  • And it's one of the mainreasons why in the Torah,
  • 00:29:58.919 --> 00:30:02.623
  • like there's allthese, like don't mix.
  • 00:30:02.623 --> 00:30:05.659
  • Like one of them isdon't mix fibers.
  • 00:30:05.659 --> 00:30:07.561
  • Like don't mix cottonand linen, for example.
  • 00:30:07.561 --> 00:30:10.464
  • And don't, there's a lotof other ones that seem
  • 00:30:10.464 --> 00:30:12.232
  • like kind of silly.
  • 00:30:12.232 --> 00:30:13.800
  • But my understanding of thatfrom a Rabbi was speaking to
  • 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:16.970
  • was it's a part of how weachieve our Qodeshness,
  • 00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:21.541
  • which literally meansto be set apart,
  • 00:30:21.541 --> 00:30:23.510
  • to be Holy meansto be set apart.
  • 00:30:23.510 --> 00:30:25.512
  • But we always think of,
  • 00:30:25.512 --> 00:30:26.747
  • it just means that yourHoly based on like,
  • 00:30:26.747 --> 00:30:30.517
  • you're so good,
  • 00:30:30.517 --> 00:30:31.652
  • like your deeds are-- Morality
  • 00:30:31.652 --> 00:30:33.120
  • You're so moral that youstand out and that is true.
  • 00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:35.956
  • But there's this other sidethat like for the Jews,
  • 00:30:35.956 --> 00:30:39.459
  • tradition isimportant, you know,
  • 00:30:39.459 --> 00:30:41.061
  • like even Shabbat,Sabbath on Saturday
  • 00:30:41.061 --> 00:30:43.697
  • in a society that doesn'thave a day like that.
  • 00:30:43.697 --> 00:30:45.866
  • It's like, we can'tescape the fact that
  • 00:30:45.866 --> 00:30:48.902
  • you can't pretend to notbe Jewish in other words.
  • 00:30:48.902 --> 00:30:51.538
  • Think about how many Christians
  • 00:30:51.538 --> 00:30:53.740
  • maybe morally they're separate,
  • 00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:55.542
  • but how much theywanna look and feel
  • 00:30:55.542 --> 00:30:58.211
  • and act like toeverybody in the world.
  • 00:30:58.211 --> 00:31:00.247
  • Very often, that'sunder the guise of,
  • 00:31:00.247 --> 00:31:03.083
  • "We wanna reach people forthe kingdom and that's good.
  • 00:31:03.083 --> 00:31:05.619
  • We wanna be seeker sensitive."
  • 00:31:05.619 --> 00:31:06.987
  • That's good, we have aseeker sensitive church,
  • 00:31:06.987 --> 00:31:09.823
  • but the the more timegoes on just to be honest,
  • 00:31:09.823 --> 00:31:12.993
  • it feels like they wannabe accepted by the world.
  • 00:31:12.993 --> 00:31:15.996
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:31:15.996 --> 00:31:16.797
  • They want to becool to the world.
  • 00:31:19.232 --> 00:31:20.968
  • And maybe that startedwith, "I wanna be cool
  • 00:31:20.968 --> 00:31:23.036
  • to the world, so theyhear my message."
  • 00:31:23.036 --> 00:31:25.072
  • But I think at least ofprobably a temptation for me
  • 00:31:25.072 --> 00:31:27.574
  • and maybe I'm projecting dude.
  • 00:31:27.574 --> 00:31:29.009
  • - If cool becomesend game that's-
  • 00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:30.644
  • - I wanna be cool.
  • 00:31:30.644 --> 00:31:31.945
  • You know, I want peoplewhen I go to the mall
  • 00:31:31.945 --> 00:31:35.248
  • or when people see me on TVto think that I'm interesting
  • 00:31:35.248 --> 00:31:38.752
  • or cool or goodlooking or funny.
  • 00:31:38.752 --> 00:31:41.855
  • And the truth of the matter is
  • 00:31:41.855 --> 00:31:43.657
  • that's, that the Lord,what the Lord wants for me,
  • 00:31:43.657 --> 00:31:47.260
  • and the Lord wants for you
  • 00:31:47.260 --> 00:31:48.729
  • and for those watching on TVis to be truly the man or woman
  • 00:31:48.729 --> 00:31:52.499
  • God created you to be.
  • 00:31:52.499 --> 00:31:54.234
  • Jesus says, "Blessed areyou when people insult you."
  • 00:31:54.234 --> 00:31:58.538
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:31:58.538 --> 00:31:59.473
  • - I mean, do we own that?
  • 00:31:59.473 --> 00:32:00.907
  • Blessed are you whenpeople and cursed are you
  • 00:32:00.907 --> 00:32:04.111
  • when people say goodthing about you.
  • 00:32:04.111 --> 00:32:05.746
  • - Well you know what'scray, that's big.
  • 00:32:05.746 --> 00:32:08.148
  • You know what's crazyabout what you just said,
  • 00:32:08.148 --> 00:32:09.883
  • Jesus then said, "Blessed areyou when men persecute you
  • 00:32:09.883 --> 00:32:12.886
  • or insult you."
  • 00:32:12.886 --> 00:32:14.421
  • And then he said, "Rejoiceand be exceedingly glad."
  • 00:32:14.421 --> 00:32:16.823
  • That phrase rejoiceand be exceedinglyglad is (indistinct).
  • 00:32:16.823 --> 00:32:19.960
  • It literally meansto leap for joy.
  • 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.294
  • So when's the lasttime we did that.
  • 00:32:21.294 --> 00:32:23.296
  • When someone insultedme on social media,
  • 00:32:23.296 --> 00:32:24.831
  • I clicked my heelsand leaped for joy.
  • 00:32:24.831 --> 00:32:26.933
  • Have you ever thought ofHagios in the new Testament,
  • 00:32:26.933 --> 00:32:29.069
  • the word holiness.
  • 00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:30.737
  • Have you ever thoughtof holiness, howyou're describing it.
  • 00:32:30.737 --> 00:32:32.072
  • It's not just aboutmorality and ethics,
  • 00:32:32.072 --> 00:32:34.007
  • it's also about just beingdifferent and set apart,
  • 00:32:34.007 --> 00:32:37.077
  • even in fabric or in the culture
  • 00:32:37.077 --> 00:32:39.546
  • of what God's creatingamongst your people.
  • 00:32:39.546 --> 00:32:41.648
  • That's very interesting.
  • 00:32:41.648 --> 00:32:42.916
  • - Yeah, think aboutit, you got layers.
  • 00:32:42.916 --> 00:32:43.850
  • So when Jesus is speaking,
  • 00:32:43.850 --> 00:32:45.519
  • you're reading in thenew Testament in Greek.
  • 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.287
  • Well, you're reading in English,
  • 00:32:47.287 --> 00:32:48.321
  • which was translating the Greek,
  • 00:32:48.321 --> 00:32:50.057
  • but that Greek was from memory
  • 00:32:50.057 --> 00:32:52.092
  • about something Jesussaid in Aramaic,
  • 00:32:52.092 --> 00:32:54.194
  • which is a kind ofa dialect of Hebrew.
  • 00:32:54.194 --> 00:32:56.963
  • So you've got like fourlayers of languages there.
  • 00:32:56.963 --> 00:32:58.999
  • So when Jesus, whenJesus is speaking,
  • 00:32:58.999 --> 00:33:01.768
  • he's gotta be saying itin more of a Jewish theme,
  • 00:33:01.768 --> 00:33:04.337
  • even though it's writtenin a Greek theme.
  • 00:33:04.337 --> 00:33:06.473
  • So, when you'retalking about holiness,
  • 00:33:06.473 --> 00:33:08.608
  • even in the new Testament,
  • 00:33:08.608 --> 00:33:09.843
  • you still need to see itthrough a Jewish lens.
  • 00:33:09.843 --> 00:33:11.878
  • That it means to be set apart.
  • 00:33:11.878 --> 00:33:13.580
  • People should knowyou're a Christian.
  • 00:33:14.748 --> 00:33:16.383
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:33:16.383 --> 00:33:17.851
  • - If people say you're weird,
  • 00:33:17.851 --> 00:33:20.320
  • because you're walking aroundpraying, that's a good thing.
  • 00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:24.758
  • I think that there maybethere was a day where
  • 00:33:24.758 --> 00:33:27.060
  • that was a bad thing.
  • 00:33:27.060 --> 00:33:28.562
  • If you do it, you know,cause Jesus also tells us,
  • 00:33:28.562 --> 00:33:30.664
  • "Don't pray soeverybody can see you."
  • 00:33:30.664 --> 00:33:32.332
  • Right.
  • 00:33:32.332 --> 00:33:33.600
  • So if you're doing it,so people admire you,
  • 00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:34.401
  • that's a bad thing.
  • 00:33:34.401 --> 00:33:35.135
  • What is that?
  • 00:33:35.135 --> 00:33:36.336
  • That's also stilltrying to be accepted.
  • 00:33:36.336 --> 00:33:37.471
  • - That's right.
  • 00:33:37.471 --> 00:33:38.305
  • - Or approved by men.
  • 00:33:38.305 --> 00:33:39.539
  • So your goal is to beapproved by people.
  • 00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:42.275
  • I think of so much freedomwhen we're just like,
  • 00:33:42.275 --> 00:33:45.512
  • I tell people like, we talka lot about love your enemies
  • 00:33:45.512 --> 00:33:49.349
  • or love your competitors.
  • 00:33:49.349 --> 00:33:50.617
  • And I'll say things like,
  • 00:33:50.617 --> 00:33:52.085
  • "If you don't have any enemiesor competitors, get some."
  • 00:33:52.085 --> 00:33:55.055
  • - YeahChurchill said-
  • 00:33:55.055 --> 00:33:56.823
  • - No, really cause, look at itlike this, because you think,
  • 00:33:56.823 --> 00:33:59.926
  • that does mean you'rebeing a bad person?
  • 00:33:59.926 --> 00:34:02.062
  • Or you're being, youknow, mean or whatever?
  • 00:34:02.062 --> 00:34:04.231
  • The truth is, if you're not,
  • 00:34:04.231 --> 00:34:06.600
  • if there's not someaspect about your life,
  • 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:08.902
  • maybe enemies,isn't the best word.
  • 00:34:08.902 --> 00:34:10.237
  • But where there's peoplethat think you're weird
  • 00:34:10.237 --> 00:34:12.272
  • or dislike you or don'twanna be around you,
  • 00:34:12.272 --> 00:34:15.075
  • then there's actuallysomething wrong Biblically.
  • 00:34:15.075 --> 00:34:16.776
  • - Churchill said, "Ifyou have enemies, good,
  • 00:34:16.776 --> 00:34:19.613
  • it means you stoodup for something
  • 00:34:19.613 --> 00:34:21.314
  • at some time in your life."
  • 00:34:21.314 --> 00:34:22.782
  • Aristotle said, "The onlyway to have no critics
  • 00:34:22.782 --> 00:34:24.618
  • is to say nothing, donothing and be nothing."
  • 00:34:24.618 --> 00:34:27.187
  • So, if you wanna have no andbe accepted by everybody,
  • 00:34:27.187 --> 00:34:30.690
  • say nothing, donothing, be nothing.
  • 00:34:30.690 --> 00:34:33.226
  • But if that's what youyour destined to be,
  • 00:34:33.226 --> 00:34:35.228
  • then we have to haveanother conversation.
  • 00:34:35.228 --> 00:34:37.130
  • So what I wanna encourage you
  • 00:34:37.130 --> 00:34:38.832
  • and I was readingthis book called
  • 00:34:38.832 --> 00:34:40.233
  • One Flew Over the Cuckoo'sNest by Ken Kesey.
  • 00:34:40.233 --> 00:34:43.336
  • And he said,
  • 00:34:43.336 --> 00:34:44.838
  • "That the greatest couragea man can possibly have,
  • 00:34:44.838 --> 00:34:47.040
  • is the bravery to be himself."
  • 00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:48.375
  • He said it's just aboutthe rarest thing going.
  • 00:34:48.375 --> 00:34:50.143
  • It's not just like a popculture, happy message.
  • 00:34:50.143 --> 00:34:53.713
  • Like be yourself, the personwho actually has the courage
  • 00:34:53.713 --> 00:34:56.650
  • to put wheels on that,that takes a bravery
  • 00:34:56.650 --> 00:34:59.553
  • that is fairly unprecedented.
  • 00:34:59.553 --> 00:35:01.821
  • That's why Jesusended up on a cross
  • 00:35:01.821 --> 00:35:03.390
  • because he was different.
  • 00:35:03.390 --> 00:35:04.624
  • But you know whatthe Bible also says?
  • 00:35:04.624 --> 00:35:05.859
  • That he was anointedwith the oil
  • 00:35:05.859 --> 00:35:07.327
  • of gladness above all spells.
  • 00:35:07.327 --> 00:35:09.162
  • And even when he wasthe son of sorrows
  • 00:35:09.162 --> 00:35:10.864
  • in the garden of Gethsemane,
  • 00:35:10.864 --> 00:35:12.032
  • there was joy set before him
  • 00:35:12.032 --> 00:35:13.700
  • cause he knew hisdestiny was to be seated
  • 00:35:13.700 --> 00:35:15.435
  • at the right hand ofthe throne of God.
  • 00:35:15.435 --> 00:35:17.103
  • So if you're different,
  • 00:35:17.103 --> 00:35:18.371
  • just remember Godmade you different,
  • 00:35:18.371 --> 00:35:20.473
  • so you'll make a difference.
  • 00:35:20.473 --> 00:35:21.775
  • If you don't fit in,
  • 00:35:21.775 --> 00:35:22.842
  • it so that you can stand out.
  • 00:35:22.842 --> 00:35:24.277
  • Your oddities areyour commodities.
  • 00:35:24.277 --> 00:35:25.979
  • Some of your cursesare your blessings,
  • 00:35:25.979 --> 00:35:27.847
  • your weaknesses isactually your strength
  • 00:35:27.847 --> 00:35:29.349
  • cause when you are weak,then he is strong in you.
  • 00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:31.151
  • So own your oddness.
  • 00:35:31.151 --> 00:35:32.252
  • - So good, man.It's so good.
  • 00:35:32.252 --> 00:35:33.787
  • And it's a message theworld needs to hear,
  • 00:35:33.787 --> 00:35:35.422
  • especially in an age ofsocial media comparison,
  • 00:35:35.422 --> 00:35:39.326
  • man, it's a hard timeespecially to be a woman.
  • 00:35:39.326 --> 00:35:42.362
  • And because there are so,
  • 00:35:42.362 --> 00:35:44.631
  • because I look and I havea daughter, you know,
  • 00:35:44.631 --> 00:35:47.133
  • and I think it's so hardwhen you get all these images
  • 00:35:47.133 --> 00:35:51.571
  • of what's supposed to bebeautiful and interesting.
  • 00:35:51.571 --> 00:35:53.673
  • There's so much pressure on moms
  • 00:35:53.673 --> 00:35:56.810
  • and so much pressureon single women
  • 00:35:56.810 --> 00:35:58.745
  • and so much pressureon, of like,
  • 00:35:58.745 --> 00:36:00.547
  • "I'm supposed to be this.
  • 00:36:00.547 --> 00:36:01.781
  • I'm supposed to be married.
  • 00:36:01.781 --> 00:36:03.016
  • I'm supposed tohave perfect kids.
  • 00:36:03.016 --> 00:36:04.517
  • Or I'm or if I have kids,I'm also supposed to work."
  • 00:36:04.517 --> 00:36:06.453
  • And it's hard for guys too,
  • 00:36:06.453 --> 00:36:07.921
  • but my heart really goes out-
  • 00:36:07.921 --> 00:36:09.956
  • - Well, the average 12 yearold girl has seen 77.500 ads.
  • 00:36:09.956 --> 00:36:13.560
  • So just imagine thatof what the ideal life
  • 00:36:13.560 --> 00:36:16.963
  • is supposed to look like.
  • 00:36:16.963 --> 00:36:18.431
  • - I think what pastor Benand I wanna tell you is that,
  • 00:36:18.431 --> 00:36:21.268
  • we just love you so somuch and that you are so,
  • 00:36:21.801 --> 00:36:25.372
  • and when God looks at you,
  • 00:36:25.372 --> 00:36:26.640
  • it's like the way Ilook at my daughter,
  • 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:28.041
  • just so, you're just sobeautiful in God's eyes.
  • 00:36:28.041 --> 00:36:31.978
  • - [Ben] That's right.
  • 00:36:31.978 --> 00:36:33.113
  • - You're so preciousand God sees
  • 00:36:33.113 --> 00:36:34.881
  • in you just so much potential.
  • 00:36:34.881 --> 00:36:37.350
  • He's got such a bigvision for your life.
  • 00:36:37.350 --> 00:36:39.619
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:40.820
  • - And you don'thave to worry about
  • 00:36:40.820 --> 00:36:42.922
  • what others think about you,
  • 00:36:42.922 --> 00:36:44.391
  • you don't have to worry aboutwhat others say about you.
  • 00:36:44.391 --> 00:36:47.060
  • God loves you, I love you.
  • 00:36:47.060 --> 00:36:48.528
  • Ben loves you.- [Ben] Yes.
  • 00:36:48.528 --> 00:36:50.030
  • - And we want you to knowthat God's gonna get you
  • 00:36:50.030 --> 00:36:52.365
  • through this difficult time.
  • 00:36:52.365 --> 00:36:53.833
  • Don't worry about, you know,whatever thing about you
  • 00:36:53.833 --> 00:36:57.837
  • that you hate, that youalways wish you'd get rid of.
  • 00:36:57.837 --> 00:37:00.006
  • Just watch how God can usethat and turn it around.
  • 00:37:00.006 --> 00:37:03.677
  • I think if, youknow, Nick Vujicic?
  • 00:37:03.677 --> 00:37:07.747
  • - [Ben] Yes.
  • 00:37:07.747 --> 00:37:09.215
  • We've interviewed him herebefore, he's a friend of mine.
  • 00:37:09.215 --> 00:37:10.150
  • He might be a friend of yours.
  • 00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:11.885
  • And for him, he hasno arms and legs.
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  • He almost committedsuicide when he was a kid.
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  • And I, my understanding is,and I hate to tell his story,
  • 00:37:15.522 --> 00:37:18.892
  • but it's justimpacted my own life.
  • 00:37:18.892 --> 00:37:20.860
  • That it wasn't as much abouthis inability to do things
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  • with his arms and legs,
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  • although that was veryhard and very sad.
  • 00:37:25.031 --> 00:37:26.800
  • It was the feeling that hewould never really fit in,
  • 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.703
  • that he would never belong.
  • 00:37:29.703 --> 00:37:31.338
  • And especially that hewould never like be married
  • 00:37:31.338 --> 00:37:33.807
  • or have a family, or have kids.
  • 00:37:33.807 --> 00:37:35.342
  • Something he really wanted.
  • 00:37:35.342 --> 00:37:37.577
  • And you look at him today
  • 00:37:37.577 --> 00:37:39.346
  • and he's got, I think,four gorgeous kids.
  • 00:37:39.346 --> 00:37:41.514
  • He's got a gorgeous wife.
  • 00:37:41.514 --> 00:37:42.849
  • He like surfs, he's ableto do all that stuff.
  • 00:37:42.849 --> 00:37:44.617
  • - Yeah, I haven't methim but his family
  • 00:37:44.617 --> 00:37:45.852
  • seems just beautiful.
  • 00:37:45.852 --> 00:37:46.886
  • - So, we want you to know that,
  • 00:37:46.886 --> 00:37:48.655
  • that God can use your oddities
  • 00:37:48.655 --> 00:37:50.957
  • to open the door to-
  • 00:37:50.957 --> 00:37:52.859
  • - [Ben] That's right.
  • 00:37:52.859 --> 00:37:54.094
  • - That's it, to open the door
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  • to your callingand your purpose.
  • 00:37:56.062 --> 00:37:57.464
  • - Like, I wouldn't evenhave my message at all
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  • had I not gone throughthis crazy depression.
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  • So Bobby I love how you werejust telling each viewer
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  • and I wanna echo, be anecho chamber for this.
  • 00:38:05.171 --> 00:38:07.607
  • You are so, so much loved.
  • 00:38:07.607 --> 00:38:10.944
  • In fact, Psalm 8.
  • 00:38:10.944 --> 00:38:12.245
  • It's not that God endowsyou, he enjoys you.
  • 00:38:12.245 --> 00:38:14.280
  • Psalm 8 says, "You arecrowned with glory and honor."
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  • That's what it says.
  • 00:38:16.516 --> 00:38:17.784
  • "Man he hath crownedwith glory and honor
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  • made a little lowerthan the angels."
  • 00:38:19.486 --> 00:38:21.121
  • When's the last time youlooked in the mirror and said,
  • 00:38:21.121 --> 00:38:23.189
  • "I'm crowned withglory and honor."
  • 00:38:23.189 --> 00:38:25.291
  • In God's eyes you are.
  • 00:38:25.291 --> 00:38:26.593
  • And what's wild isdid you know that
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  • anatomically you containthe potential energy
  • 00:38:30.330 --> 00:38:32.565
  • equivalent of 30large hydrogen bombs.
  • 00:38:32.565 --> 00:38:34.501
  • So next time somebodysays to you "You're bomb."
  • 00:38:34.501 --> 00:38:36.403
  • You can say, "Actually, I'm30, large hydrogen bombs.
  • 00:38:36.403 --> 00:38:38.371
  • Thank you very much."
  • 00:38:38.371 --> 00:38:39.439
  • Scientifically that's crazy.
  • 00:38:39.439 --> 00:38:40.807
  • So you are-
  • 00:38:40.807 --> 00:38:42.308
  • - That also be a weird thingto say, which is a good thing.
  • 00:38:42.308 --> 00:38:43.810
  • - Then you'd be Hagios andyou'd be Qadosh, that's perfect.
  • 00:38:43.810 --> 00:38:46.880
  • (both laugh)
  • 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:48.348
  • - Well, one question that comesup when we talk a lot about
  • 00:38:48.348 --> 00:38:50.517
  • something that all of us areexperiencing, including me,
  • 00:38:50.517 --> 00:38:52.786
  • I'm currently experiencingthis on some days,
  • 00:38:52.786 --> 00:38:55.422
  • feelings of depressive, likeI don't wanna do anything,
  • 00:38:55.422 --> 00:38:57.457
  • I don't wanna get out of thehouse or just anxious anxiety.
  • 00:38:57.457 --> 00:39:00.560
  • One, you know, one of thethings that we talk about
  • 00:39:00.560 --> 00:39:03.129
  • or has been asked a lotis what about medicine?
  • 00:39:03.129 --> 00:39:05.465
  • Can someone take Paxil?
  • 00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:08.568
  • Can someone take thesemedicines that help,
  • 00:39:08.568 --> 00:39:11.704
  • that claim to help?
  • 00:39:11.704 --> 00:39:13.740
  • Is it okay, is it Christian?
  • 00:39:13.740 --> 00:39:15.208
  • And we're gonna talkabout that coming up next.
  • 00:39:15.208 --> 00:39:18.077
  • (tense sound effects)
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  • - [Narrator] I was stronglyconsidering driving off
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  • the side of the road.
  • 00:39:24.284 --> 00:39:25.285
  • I thought I'd turn on the radiofor a final going away song.
  • 00:39:27.687 --> 00:39:31.157
  • (indistinct sounds from radio)
  • 00:39:31.157 --> 00:39:34.994
  • - [Ben] Jesus if you've seen me,
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  • you've seen the father.
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  • Mary and Martha weep,so too Jesus wept.
  • 00:39:40.633 --> 00:39:42.402
  • That's what God looks like.
  • 00:39:42.402 --> 00:39:43.837
  • - [Narrator] When I heardBen's voice instead.
  • 00:39:43.837 --> 00:39:46.072
  • - [Ben] He is a God whoweeps with those who weep.
  • 00:39:47.507 --> 00:39:51.478
  • - [Narrator] I put myfoot on the brakes,
  • 00:39:51.478 --> 00:39:53.179
  • pulled over and criedand decided to give God
  • 00:39:53.179 --> 00:39:56.583
  • whatever was left of me instead.
  • 00:39:56.583 --> 00:39:58.218
  • That was five months ago.
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  • I now ingest everythingyou've got daily.
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  • God used Hope Generation tostop me from ending my life.
  • 00:40:05.925 --> 00:40:09.195
  • So understatement of the year.
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  • Thank you.
  • 00:40:12.198 --> 00:40:13.233
  • (somber music)
  • 00:40:13.233 --> 00:40:15.768
  • - What a powerful story andit's a testimony to these tools
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  • that you're helpingpeople find, Ben.
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  • One of the thingsthat you talk about.
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  • Now, you use that, the nameof this chapter is El Roi.
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  • Is that the God who sees?
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  • - The God who sees.
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  • In fact, the first time God wasever named by an individual,
  • 00:40:40.693 --> 00:40:43.796
  • not revealing himself insaying, "This is my name,"
  • 00:40:43.796 --> 00:40:45.832
  • but an individual naming God
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  • was an Egyptian slavegirl named Hagar.
  • 00:40:47.634 --> 00:40:51.471
  • An Egyptian slave girl.
  • 00:40:51.471 --> 00:40:53.273
  • And she said, "You are El Roi."
  • 00:40:53.273 --> 00:40:54.674
  • She was dying in a wilderness,or thought she was.
  • 00:40:54.674 --> 00:40:57.076
  • And then God showedup, rescued her.
  • 00:40:57.076 --> 00:40:59.078
  • And she said, "You are El Roi,"
  • 00:40:59.078 --> 00:41:00.713
  • which means, the God who sees.
  • 00:41:00.713 --> 00:41:03.583
  • When we're depressed, wethink we wanna disappear.
  • 00:41:03.583 --> 00:41:05.952
  • What we really want,is to be found.
  • 00:41:05.952 --> 00:41:08.888
  • We wanna be known.
  • 00:41:08.888 --> 00:41:10.089
  • We wanna be exploredand understood.
  • 00:41:10.089 --> 00:41:11.691
  • God is El Roi, the God who sees.
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  • And what I arguein this chapter,
  • 00:41:13.693 --> 00:41:16.029
  • is that sometimes thevision of El Roi sees us
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  • through the eyes of ourdoctors and our physicians.
  • 00:41:19.832 --> 00:41:22.335
  • There is no shame inseeking professional help.
  • 00:41:22.335 --> 00:41:26.606
  • I have a counselor, you know,
  • 00:41:26.606 --> 00:41:28.808
  • I have a therapist that I go to.
  • 00:41:28.808 --> 00:41:30.743
  • And what I wanna say is this,
  • 00:41:30.743 --> 00:41:32.579
  • Jesus was a master therapist.
  • 00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:35.381
  • Like there's this story wherePeter denied Jesus three times
  • 00:41:35.381 --> 00:41:38.985
  • when a little girlpeer pressured him,
  • 00:41:38.985 --> 00:41:40.787
  • and he did it nextto a charcoal fire.
  • 00:41:40.787 --> 00:41:43.556
  • Then a few chapters later,
  • 00:41:43.556 --> 00:41:45.191
  • Jesus builds a charcoal fireand he asked Peter three times,
  • 00:41:45.191 --> 00:41:49.696
  • "Do you love me?"
  • 00:41:49.696 --> 00:41:50.964
  • Peter says three times,"Yes, Lord, I love you."
  • 00:41:50.964 --> 00:41:52.432
  • And he was doing the moderntechnique of psychodrama
  • 00:41:52.432 --> 00:41:54.801
  • as an ancient master therapist.
  • 00:41:54.801 --> 00:41:56.703
  • He was taking Peterthrough his traumas
  • 00:41:56.703 --> 00:41:59.072
  • and through psychodramahe was exposing him
  • 00:41:59.072 --> 00:42:01.741
  • to his shame and thenreversing the curse
  • 00:42:01.741 --> 00:42:04.611
  • and flipping it it's on hishead in an inverted way.
  • 00:42:04.611 --> 00:42:06.946
  • So he, Peter deniedJesus three times
  • 00:42:06.946 --> 00:42:09.148
  • next to a charcoal fire.
  • 00:42:09.148 --> 00:42:10.717
  • And then Jesus has Petertell him three times
  • 00:42:10.717 --> 00:42:13.219
  • that he loves him nextto a charcoal fire.
  • 00:42:13.219 --> 00:42:14.854
  • So he was doinglike psychodrama,
  • 00:42:14.854 --> 00:42:17.156
  • very brilliant nuancedtherapy with Peter.
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  • And I think there'sno shame in that.
  • 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.462
  • - Yeah.I have a,
  • 00:42:22.462 --> 00:42:23.930
  • there's a pastorfriend of mine who
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  • will post from timeto time his medicine,
  • 00:42:26.065 --> 00:42:28.635
  • that he takes, hismedication for depression.
  • 00:42:28.635 --> 00:42:31.537
  • A person that reallyreaches a lot of people,
  • 00:42:31.537 --> 00:42:34.340
  • helps a lot of people and says,
  • 00:42:34.340 --> 00:42:36.175
  • "Look, I'm grateful that I live
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  • in a world where thismedicine is available to me."
  • 00:42:37.877 --> 00:42:41.014
  • And I think that there'sa lot of baggage.
  • 00:42:41.014 --> 00:42:43.983
  • Cause people feel so much shame.
  • 00:42:43.983 --> 00:42:46.486
  • They think, "Well, if the joyof the Lord is my strength,
  • 00:42:46.486 --> 00:42:48.521
  • I don't need counseling,I don't need medicine."
  • 00:42:48.521 --> 00:42:50.323
  • But, I think, we weretalking about this before.
  • 00:42:50.323 --> 00:42:53.259
  • - Yes.
  • 00:42:53.259 --> 00:42:54.460
  • - Backstage, beforewe got up here,
  • 00:42:54.460 --> 00:42:55.628
  • how should weaddress this issue?
  • 00:42:55.628 --> 00:42:57.263
  • And I think we kindasaid, it's like, you know,
  • 00:42:58.631 --> 00:43:02.001
  • if you have some othermedical issue in your body,
  • 00:43:02.001 --> 00:43:06.305
  • ideally you're gonna beable to beat it through,
  • 00:43:06.305 --> 00:43:09.142
  • you know, water rest orphysical therapy, naturally,
  • 00:43:09.142 --> 00:43:12.011
  • you're gonna be ableto get through it.
  • 00:43:12.011 --> 00:43:13.446
  • But sometimes you need asurgery or sometimes you need
  • 00:43:13.446 --> 00:43:15.848
  • a medicine for, you know,whatever it is, your heart
  • 00:43:15.848 --> 00:43:18.084
  • or, and the same thinghappens in our brain.
  • 00:43:18.084 --> 00:43:20.820
  • We have brain chemistry issues
  • 00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:22.722
  • where the purpose ofthe medicine is so
  • 00:43:22.722 --> 00:43:25.558
  • that paired with counseling,
  • 00:43:25.558 --> 00:43:27.293
  • we take medicine forsix months or so,
  • 00:43:27.293 --> 00:43:29.862
  • that through.
  • 00:43:29.862 --> 00:43:30.697
  • - Therapy and counseling,
  • 00:43:31.698 --> 00:43:32.899
  • we'll be able to workthrough some stuff
  • 00:43:32.899 --> 00:43:34.367
  • and then get off themedicine later many cases.
  • 00:43:34.367 --> 00:43:37.170
  • And that's a great thing,- [Ben] It is.
  • 00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:39.706
  • - That God has madeavailable through science.
  • 00:43:39.706 --> 00:43:42.008
  • So there's no reason tofeel shame about that.
  • 00:43:42.008 --> 00:43:44.477
  • Maybe there's somepeople at home
  • 00:43:44.477 --> 00:43:45.712
  • that are screamingat me right now,
  • 00:43:45.712 --> 00:43:47.380
  • but I know many ways that God
  • 00:43:47.380 --> 00:43:50.116
  • has been able to usethis to heal people,
  • 00:43:50.116 --> 00:43:51.584
  • make them moreeffective in ministry.
  • 00:43:51.584 --> 00:43:53.086
  • - Well, we have to rememberwhen there's controversy around
  • 00:43:53.086 --> 00:43:55.054
  • this topic, that's truewith every new invention.
  • 00:43:55.054 --> 00:43:59.025
  • Culturally.- [Bobby] Yeah.
  • 00:43:59.025 --> 00:44:00.259
  • - Trains, planes, automobiles,
  • 00:44:00.259 --> 00:44:03.162
  • I believe the computer as well,
  • 00:44:03.162 --> 00:44:04.897
  • we're met withtremendous opposition
  • 00:44:04.897 --> 00:44:06.566
  • when they first came out.- Electricity.
  • 00:44:06.566 --> 00:44:08.101
  • - And not only that,
  • 00:44:08.101 --> 00:44:09.769
  • but Jonas Hanway whenhe introduced theumbrella to the UK,
  • 00:44:09.769 --> 00:44:13.039
  • he was met with anassault of insults.
  • 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.775
  • Think of a guy the first timehe walks with an umbrella
  • 00:44:15.775 --> 00:44:17.610
  • over his head, mocked insulted.
  • 00:44:17.610 --> 00:44:19.545
  • This is a big one,James Simpson.
  • 00:44:19.545 --> 00:44:21.347
  • He was a Christian, heinvented chloroform,
  • 00:44:21.347 --> 00:44:23.216
  • which is an earlyform of anesthetics.
  • 00:44:23.216 --> 00:44:25.518
  • - [Bobby] Yeah.
  • 00:44:25.518 --> 00:44:26.986
  • - That did more to relievepeople of unnecessary suffering
  • 00:44:26.986 --> 00:44:28.921
  • than any invention inhistory up to that point.
  • 00:44:28.921 --> 00:44:31.524
  • And Christian said,
  • 00:44:31.524 --> 00:44:32.959
  • you shouldn't take thatbecause pain purges the body.
  • 00:44:32.959 --> 00:44:36.996
  • And so here's what I dowanna say about medication-
  • 00:44:36.996 --> 00:44:40.533
  • - There's no one in pain ever.
  • 00:44:40.533 --> 00:44:42.034
  • - And whatever the nextinvention is going to be,
  • 00:44:42.034 --> 00:44:44.704
  • whatever inventionis going to be,
  • 00:44:44.704 --> 00:44:46.072
  • that's gonna be metwith resistance too.
  • 00:44:46.072 --> 00:44:48.040
  • So the question that I wannaask is what does the Bible
  • 00:44:48.040 --> 00:44:51.310
  • say about antidepressants?
  • 00:44:51.310 --> 00:44:52.779
  • Well, antidepressants weren'taround in biblical times,
  • 00:44:52.779 --> 00:44:55.047
  • so we don't know.
  • 00:44:55.047 --> 00:44:56.516
  • But what I can do is lookat the life of Jesus.
  • 00:44:56.516 --> 00:44:58.284
  • And when I look at the Bible,
  • 00:44:58.284 --> 00:44:59.786
  • I think you have thehomie op, the East,
  • 00:44:59.786 --> 00:45:01.587
  • the pharmacology the Westand sort of merging the two.
  • 00:45:01.587 --> 00:45:04.457
  • So what I mean by that is this.
  • 00:45:04.457 --> 00:45:05.958
  • Sometimes Jesus would justdo miraculous healings.
  • 00:45:05.958 --> 00:45:09.195
  • Another time he healed a guyby spitting in the ground,
  • 00:45:09.195 --> 00:45:13.499
  • and then he put the mud fromthe spit in the guy's eyes.
  • 00:45:13.499 --> 00:45:16.269
  • Now, back then it was believedthat spit was medicine.
  • 00:45:16.269 --> 00:45:20.039
  • In fact, the Romanhistorian Tacitus,
  • 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.875
  • writes about theemperor Vespasian,
  • 00:45:22.875 --> 00:45:24.710
  • healing a sickguy with his spit.
  • 00:45:24.710 --> 00:45:26.646
  • Even today, if you get a papercut or you burn your finger,
  • 00:45:26.646 --> 00:45:29.282
  • what's the first thing you do?
  • 00:45:29.282 --> 00:45:30.550
  • You put it in your mouthso there's spit on it.
  • 00:45:30.550 --> 00:45:32.652
  • So they believespit was medicine.
  • 00:45:32.652 --> 00:45:34.587
  • It could be, no justconjecturing here, that Jesus
  • 00:45:34.587 --> 00:45:38.090
  • theoretically was putting astamp of approval on medicine
  • 00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:40.927
  • saying miracles and medicinecan work hand in hand when he
  • 00:45:40.927 --> 00:45:43.963
  • spit to heal the blind man.
  • 00:45:43.963 --> 00:45:45.798
  • Another instance isPaul the Apostle.
  • 00:45:45.798 --> 00:45:47.567
  • He would heal people withhis handkerchiefs and aprons
  • 00:45:47.567 --> 00:45:50.203
  • in the Book of Acts,yet who wrote about it?
  • 00:45:50.203 --> 00:45:52.371
  • Luke, who was a doctor.
  • 00:45:52.371 --> 00:45:53.906
  • He was a medical position.
  • 00:45:53.906 --> 00:45:55.474
  • So medicine and miracles arenot antithetical antonyms,
  • 00:45:55.474 --> 00:45:59.345
  • they actually work handin hand in the Bible.
  • 00:45:59.345 --> 00:46:01.547
  • - Yeah. And I alsojust wanna say that,
  • 00:46:01.547 --> 00:46:04.050
  • of course there area lot of, you know,
  • 00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:07.520
  • psychotropic is that the word?
  • 00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:09.455
  • - [Ben] Psychotropic drugs.
  • 00:46:09.455 --> 00:46:10.690
  • - Medications that areused for, you know,
  • 00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:15.061
  • different issuesthat are horrible
  • 00:46:15.061 --> 00:46:17.296
  • or that have gonehorribly wrong.
  • 00:46:17.296 --> 00:46:19.465
  • - [Ben] 100%.
  • 00:46:19.465 --> 00:46:20.299
  • - But that's the truth.
  • 00:46:20.299 --> 00:46:21.567
  • That's the case withall medicines, right?
  • 00:46:21.567 --> 00:46:22.869
  • - [Ben] Yeah.
  • 00:46:22.869 --> 00:46:24.403
  • - I mean, so many medicines,people will respond poorly to.
  • 00:46:24.403 --> 00:46:26.138
  • So much of it is not justthrowing out the baby out
  • 00:46:26.138 --> 00:46:28.808
  • with the bath water,
  • 00:46:28.808 --> 00:46:30.076
  • but understanding thatthis can bring healing.
  • 00:46:30.076 --> 00:46:31.911
  • I think people get the point.
  • 00:46:31.911 --> 00:46:33.679
  • I think the main thing thatwe just people need to hear
  • 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.482
  • is to not feel shame about it.- No shame.
  • 00:46:36.482 --> 00:46:38.351
  • - It doesn't meanyou're less Christian.
  • 00:46:38.351 --> 00:46:39.719
  • It doesn't mean you'renot gonna get a miracle.
  • 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.254
  • It doesn't mean you need tobe on medicine all the time.
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  • - [Ben] That's right.
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  • - But that God has givenus some of these things
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  • to help us through.
  • 00:46:49.829 --> 00:46:51.030
  • I think that now is oneof the hardest times
  • 00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:53.299
  • as weird as it soundsto be a believer,
  • 00:46:53.299 --> 00:46:57.136
  • not because of likepersecution and stuff
  • 00:46:57.136 --> 00:47:00.673
  • that people face in the past,
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  • but because of thethorniness of life.
  • 00:47:02.408 --> 00:47:04.176
  • That is when Jesus says that,
  • 00:47:04.176 --> 00:47:06.012
  • "The pleasures and the worriesof the squirrel come up to,"
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  • I think there's so much.
  • 00:47:08.814 --> 00:47:10.416
  • There was so muchbefore COVID to tempt us
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  • that now a lot of those thingsare being taken away from us.
  • 00:47:15.154 --> 00:47:18.791
  • I don't know. I think very oftenit's hard to stay committed
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  • and sometimes God,even through technology
  • 00:47:22.895 --> 00:47:26.432
  • can also balance the scale.
  • 00:47:26.432 --> 00:47:28.200
  • So like a great example ofthis is like worship music.
  • 00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:32.038
  • Think about how amazing itis that we can have a full,
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  • like if you've got a phone,
  • 00:47:35.408 --> 00:47:37.910
  • you can play worship music.- I know.
  • 00:47:37.910 --> 00:47:39.679
  • - Think about how amazing it is.
  • 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.180
  • And you can hear thousandsof people worshiping God
  • 00:47:41.180 --> 00:47:43.683
  • and some of the best music ever,
  • 00:47:43.683 --> 00:47:45.418
  • what an aid and a help thatis or going through time.
  • 00:47:45.418 --> 00:47:48.087
  • - Yeah. Absolutely.
  • 00:47:48.087 --> 00:47:49.588
  • And it might just be a season
  • 00:47:49.588 --> 00:47:51.324
  • that you go the professionaltherapy or medication route.
  • 00:47:51.324 --> 00:47:56.329
  • This moment is not forever.
  • 00:47:57.196 --> 00:47:58.431
  • And you're gonna turnthe page on your pains,
  • 00:47:58.431 --> 00:48:00.833
  • and your painsare gonna be pings
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  • that birth a newdestiny into your life.
  • 00:48:03.035 --> 00:48:05.004
  • And there are beautiful things.
  • 00:48:05.004 --> 00:48:06.672
  • Like I have a Jeep where I live,
  • 00:48:06.672 --> 00:48:08.341
  • and we took the doors off andthe top down and I was just
  • 00:48:08.341 --> 00:48:11.277
  • listening to Corey Asburysong about the sparrows.
  • 00:48:11.277 --> 00:48:13.646
  • The sparrows aren'tworried about the future.
  • 00:48:13.646 --> 00:48:15.548
  • So neither should Ibe from Bethel music,
  • 00:48:15.548 --> 00:48:17.216
  • and I'm just feeling somuch peace, so much peace.
  • 00:48:17.216 --> 00:48:19.919
  • So we have so many tools andresources and weapons to defeat
  • 00:48:19.919 --> 00:48:23.022
  • the dark Lord of depression.
  • 00:48:23.022 --> 00:48:24.190
  • - I love yourchurch, by the way.
  • 00:48:24.190 --> 00:48:25.124
  • You guys have like an outdoor?
  • 00:48:25.124 --> 00:48:26.659
  • - [Ben] Amphitheater.- [Bob] Amphitheater.
  • 00:48:26.659 --> 00:48:28.327
  • That a lot of timesyou have two spaces.
  • 00:48:28.327 --> 00:48:30.329
  • - [Ben] That's right.
  • 00:48:30.329 --> 00:48:31.263
  • - [Bobby] But especially now,
  • 00:48:31.263 --> 00:48:32.264
  • you know, duringCOVID and stuff,
  • 00:48:32.264 --> 00:48:33.666
  • it's a great meeting-- [Ben] so we can meet outside
  • 00:48:33.666 --> 00:48:34.467
  • with social distancing.
  • 00:48:34.467 --> 00:48:35.968
  • - [Bobby] And living inOregon it's so beautiful.
  • 00:48:35.968 --> 00:48:37.903
  • - [Ben] I'll tell you,
  • 00:48:37.903 --> 00:48:39.138
  • we go to waterfallsand hike these cliffs
  • 00:48:39.138 --> 00:48:42.174
  • and it's-- [Bobby] It's like
  • 00:48:42.174 --> 00:48:43.342
  • a fantasy novel or something.- It is.
  • 00:48:43.342 --> 00:48:44.810
  • But then here in Californialike I love taking my shoes off,
  • 00:48:44.810 --> 00:48:49.015
  • going onto the beach givingme electromagnetic waves
  • 00:48:49.015 --> 00:48:51.550
  • to kill my secediam rhythm,(bobby laughs)
  • 00:48:51.550 --> 00:48:53.052
  • or whatever it is.
  • 00:48:53.052 --> 00:48:54.720
  • But it's just,
  • 00:48:54.720 --> 00:48:55.955
  • we have this beautifulcreation God's given us
  • 00:48:55.955 --> 00:48:57.823
  • and that's big and mending us
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  • of being stuck in our own head.
  • 00:48:59.225 --> 00:49:01.861
  • Do you ever getstuck in your head?
  • 00:49:01.861 --> 00:49:03.529
  • Sometimes the way to get outof your head is to go outside.
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  • - Amen.
  • 00:49:06.365 --> 00:49:07.867
  • Well, as we begin to just kindof wrap up this program Ben
  • 00:49:07.867 --> 00:49:10.936
  • I think that thereare people at home
  • 00:49:10.936 --> 00:49:12.738
  • who are feelinglike, you know what,
  • 00:49:12.738 --> 00:49:14.640
  • "It's time for me toturn my life around."
  • 00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:16.942
  • "It's time for me to make adecision to follow Christ."
  • 00:49:16.942 --> 00:49:20.846
  • "I've been on thefence long enough."
  • 00:49:20.846 --> 00:49:22.281
  • Or maybe people have falleninto some old habits,
  • 00:49:22.281 --> 00:49:25.317
  • some old sin orsomething like that,
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  • and wanna come back to God,
  • 00:49:27.253 --> 00:49:29.155
  • and they just don'tknow how to do it.
  • 00:49:29.155 --> 00:49:30.489
  • It feels like, "The wayI feel what I've done,
  • 00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:33.592
  • how can I reallycome back to God?"
  • 00:49:33.592 --> 00:49:36.028
  • I would love foryou as a pastor,
  • 00:49:36.028 --> 00:49:38.330
  • (soft piano music)Ben Courson,
  • 00:49:38.330 --> 00:49:39.565
  • to give an invitation tothose who are at home.
  • 00:49:39.565 --> 00:49:41.801
  • "What's the road back?"
  • 00:49:41.801 --> 00:49:43.302
  • "How can I come back to Godand follow God again tonight?"
  • 00:49:43.302 --> 00:49:46.639
  • - Yeah, actually you haveto do literally nothing.
  • 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.644
  • Let God love on you.
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  • Let him love the heavensright into the despair
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  • clean out of you.
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  • This was actually one of theweapons that my friend Cameron,
  • 00:49:59.185 --> 00:50:00.920
  • he taught me how to defeatdepression is when it comes
  • 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.723
  • to spirituality, it's nota free enterprise system.
  • 00:50:04.723 --> 00:50:07.426
  • All you have to dois just sit back,
  • 00:50:07.426 --> 00:50:09.628
  • relax and let himturn every setback
  • 00:50:09.628 --> 00:50:11.897
  • into a setup for a comeback.
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  • Let him love theheavens right into you
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  • that is spare clean out of you.
  • 00:50:15.101 --> 00:50:16.836
  • "Well don't I haveto achieve something
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  • or accomplish somethingor perform some works?"
  • 00:50:18.871 --> 00:50:21.240
  • No. Grace is a free gift thatyou receive by just letting
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  • God love on you through faith.
  • 00:50:25.678 --> 00:50:28.080
  • "Jesus said he had cometo free the captives."
  • 00:50:28.080 --> 00:50:31.584
  • Are you a captive to depression?
  • 00:50:31.584 --> 00:50:33.285
  • "He has come toliberate the prisoners."
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  • Are you a prisoner to despair?
  • 00:50:35.387 --> 00:50:37.256
  • The Bible says "Jesus cameto heal the brokenhearted
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  • and to preach goodnews to the poor."
  • 00:50:40.426 --> 00:50:42.194
  • Couldn't we use some good newswhen you go on your news app?
  • 00:50:42.194 --> 00:50:44.763
  • Couldn't we use some good news?
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  • "Good news to the poor."
  • 00:50:46.031 --> 00:50:47.533
  • So I wanna tell you the wayback is simply doing nothing.
  • 00:50:47.533 --> 00:50:51.737
  • Let God love on you. Lethim fight your battles.
  • 00:50:51.737 --> 00:50:55.341
  • Stand still and see thesalvation of the Lord.
  • 00:50:55.341 --> 00:50:59.044
  • - I think it's so important.
  • 00:50:59.044 --> 00:51:00.913
  • And for those ofyou are at home,
  • 00:51:00.913 --> 00:51:02.381
  • if you just feel like youneed to make a decision today
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  • to follow Christ,
  • 00:51:05.718 --> 00:51:06.952
  • I'd like to even justpray with you right now
  • 00:51:06.952 --> 00:51:08.921
  • to receive the Lord.
  • 00:51:08.921 --> 00:51:10.623
  • Maybe you're feeling like,
  • 00:51:10.623 --> 00:51:12.091
  • "Man I'm backslidden andGod could never forgive me."
  • 00:51:12.091 --> 00:51:14.493
  • Or maybe you're justcrying out to God.
  • 00:51:14.493 --> 00:51:16.095
  • You're like, "ManI'm stuck in this pit
  • 00:51:16.095 --> 00:51:17.363
  • and I know I can'tget out of this."
  • 00:51:17.363 --> 00:51:19.865
  • I want you to pray with meand just wherever you are,
  • 00:51:19.865 --> 00:51:22.268
  • would you just repeatthese words after me?
  • 00:51:22.268 --> 00:51:23.936
  • Heavenly father, I cometo you in Jesus name.
  • 00:51:23.936 --> 00:51:27.673
  • And I ask that you'dforgive me of my sin,
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  • and that you'd makeme a new creature.
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  • Thank you God thatI'm not what I do,
  • 00:51:33.045 --> 00:51:35.147
  • that I'm not what I have,
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  • that I'm not whatpeople say about me,
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  • that I am your beloved child.
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  • Lord help me to becomea disciple of Jesus
  • 00:51:40.419 --> 00:51:42.721
  • and to be more likeHim in everything I do.
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  • I accept your salvation.
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  • I believe in the crossand the resurrection.
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  • And I thank youLord and I love you.
  • 00:51:49.662 --> 00:51:51.463
  • It's in Jesus name we pray.
  • 00:51:51.463 --> 00:51:53.799
  • Amen.- [Ben] Amen.
  • 00:51:53.799 --> 00:51:55.067
  • - Well Ben, thank you so much.
  • 00:51:55.067 --> 00:51:56.735
  • - Man I like when weeven preach the gospel
  • 00:51:56.735 --> 00:51:58.904
  • to ourselves you know.(Bobby laughs)
  • 00:51:58.904 --> 00:52:00.072
  • Not only be for the people
  • 00:52:00.072 --> 00:52:01.407
  • who are listening and watching,
  • 00:52:01.407 --> 00:52:02.975
  • but even just to remind myselfthe message of that cosmos
  • 00:52:02.975 --> 00:52:05.578
  • is there's an empty tomb.
  • 00:52:05.578 --> 00:52:07.012
  • Like isn't that good news?
  • 00:52:07.012 --> 00:52:08.047
  • - It is.
  • 00:52:08.047 --> 00:52:08.981
  • And I love what you said that,
  • 00:52:08.981 --> 00:52:10.482
  • "The way to be saved isto do absolutely nothing."
  • 00:52:10.482 --> 00:52:11.750
  • It sounds crazy becausewe live in a world where
  • 00:52:11.750 --> 00:52:14.687
  • every religion is like, youknow, you do X, Y, and Z.
  • 00:52:14.687 --> 00:52:18.224
  • And then that's whenyou get to heaven
  • 00:52:18.224 --> 00:52:19.858
  • or Nirvana or whatever.
  • 00:52:19.858 --> 00:52:21.227
  • But the gospel iseffectively just letting go.
  • 00:52:21.227 --> 00:52:25.497
  • I mean, it's lettinggo and receiving
  • 00:52:25.497 --> 00:52:27.099
  • that free gift ofsalvation, the cross.
  • 00:52:27.099 --> 00:52:30.102
  • And then our lives arean imperfect responseto that, right?
  • 00:52:30.102 --> 00:52:34.740
  • - [Ben] Yes- I mean people forget that.
  • 00:52:34.740 --> 00:52:36.208
  • Like the best you cando is like a B minus.
  • 00:52:36.208 --> 00:52:40.145
  • I mean it's really hard.- And that might be
  • 00:52:40.145 --> 00:52:41.747
  • overstating even.
  • 00:52:41.747 --> 00:52:43.249
  • - You know, it's really,really hard to be perfect,
  • 00:52:43.249 --> 00:52:46.318
  • but we do our best every singleday to take one step closer,
  • 00:52:46.318 --> 00:52:50.823
  • to be more of aJesus kind of person.
  • 00:52:50.823 --> 00:52:52.992
  • - [Ben] Yeah.
  • 00:52:52.992 --> 00:52:54.226
  • - We stop criticizingeverybody you know.
  • 00:52:54.226 --> 00:52:55.694
  • I feel like Christians so often
  • 00:52:55.694 --> 00:52:57.229
  • always pointingfingers at each other.
  • 00:52:57.229 --> 00:52:58.697
  • You know, you're not thisenough or that enough,
  • 00:52:58.697 --> 00:52:59.898
  • and just focus on your own life
  • 00:52:59.898 --> 00:53:01.900
  • and do your best tolove your neighbor,
  • 00:53:01.900 --> 00:53:03.802
  • love God with all yourheart, all your soul
  • 00:53:03.802 --> 00:53:06.572
  • and all your meyod,all your mind,
  • 00:53:06.572 --> 00:53:08.807
  • all your strength,- [Ben] Oooh there you go.
  • 00:53:08.807 --> 00:53:09.875
  • - Through all of you.
  • 00:53:09.875 --> 00:53:11.110
  • Do you actually knowwhat that word means?
  • 00:53:11.110 --> 00:53:12.044
  • - I was thinking metanoia,
  • 00:53:12.044 --> 00:53:13.512
  • which means to changeyour mind with repentance,
  • 00:53:13.512 --> 00:53:15.080
  • but explain this one.
  • 00:53:15.080 --> 00:53:16.515
  • - So meyod in Hebrewmeans with all your very.
  • 00:53:16.515 --> 00:53:20.519
  • So it's in The Shema.
  • 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:21.453
  • - Is it with all your strength?
  • 00:53:21.453 --> 00:53:22.921
  • - Well, it can be.So in the Bible-
  • 00:53:22.921 --> 00:53:25.057
  • - Or are you sayingwith all your might?
  • 00:53:25.057 --> 00:53:26.525
  • - In the Bible, in TheShema, the Old Testament,
  • 00:53:26.525 --> 00:53:29.161
  • "Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu"
  • 00:53:29.161 --> 00:53:31.664
  • Israel's holiest prayerin Judaism in the Torah.
  • 00:53:31.664 --> 00:53:34.166
  • And the second partof that prayer is,
  • 00:53:34.166 --> 00:53:36.001
  • "You shall lovethe Lord your God,
  • 00:53:36.001 --> 00:53:37.870
  • with all your heart,with all your soul."
  • 00:53:37.870 --> 00:53:40.606
  • And then the Hebrew wordis, and with all your meyod
  • 00:53:40.606 --> 00:53:43.409
  • So the English version oftentranslate it as strength,
  • 00:53:43.409 --> 00:53:47.346
  • but meyod literally means very.
  • 00:53:49.381 --> 00:53:52.418
  • And if it soundsweird in English,
  • 00:53:52.418 --> 00:53:55.187
  • it also sounds weird in Hebrew.
  • 00:53:55.187 --> 00:53:56.722
  • It literally says "Love yourGod with all your very."
  • 00:53:56.722 --> 00:53:58.991
  • And this is actually somethingthat have tied up rabbis
  • 00:53:58.991 --> 00:54:01.593
  • 'cause this is likethe holiest scripture
  • 00:54:01.593 --> 00:54:03.228
  • in the whole Bible.
  • 00:54:03.228 --> 00:54:04.463
  • We as Christians, we'relike the whole Bible
  • 00:54:04.463 --> 00:54:07.099
  • is equal in holiness,but Jews are like,
  • 00:54:07.099 --> 00:54:09.001
  • " No!No!No! The Torahis the best part."
  • 00:54:09.001 --> 00:54:11.136
  • - [Ben] The Shema gives prayer- Part of the Torah.
  • 00:54:11.136 --> 00:54:12.471
  • Yeah.
  • 00:54:12.471 --> 00:54:13.772
  • - The Shema whichis the Deuteronomy
  • 00:54:13.772 --> 00:54:15.207
  • is the six fours, and six fives,
  • 00:54:15.207 --> 00:54:17.576
  • which you hang on thedoor there, you know?
  • 00:54:17.576 --> 00:54:20.245
  • And so what does meyod mean?
  • 00:54:20.245 --> 00:54:22.915
  • What does it mean to lovethe Lord with all my very?
  • 00:54:22.915 --> 00:54:25.551
  • Well Jesus changes that to mind.
  • 00:54:25.551 --> 00:54:28.420
  • - Oh wow. And you knowwhat's really interesting,
  • 00:54:28.420 --> 00:54:30.756
  • is that word meyod can alsobe translated muchness.
  • 00:54:30.756 --> 00:54:33.992
  • - [Bobby] Yeah much.
  • 00:54:33.992 --> 00:54:35.260
  • - Love the Lord your Godwith all your muchness.
  • 00:54:35.260 --> 00:54:36.562
  • - [Bobby] Or might or strength.
  • 00:54:36.562 --> 00:54:37.696
  • - So you might feel like,
  • 00:54:37.696 --> 00:54:38.931
  • "Man, I don't havemuch to offer God."
  • 00:54:38.931 --> 00:54:40.132
  • Well just offer themuchness that you have.
  • 00:54:40.132 --> 00:54:41.333
  • A few loaves and fishescan go a long way
  • 00:54:41.333 --> 00:54:43.535
  • in the hands of the savior.
  • 00:54:43.535 --> 00:54:44.737
  • - Well, Ben you'reyou're teaching people,
  • 00:54:44.737 --> 00:54:46.238
  • and I think this is what's soawesome about your ministry
  • 00:54:46.238 --> 00:54:49.375
  • is that a healthy mind.
  • 00:54:49.375 --> 00:54:50.976
  • - [Ben] That's it.- Loving the Lord,
  • 00:54:50.976 --> 00:54:52.878
  • with your mind.- [Ben] Yes.
  • 00:54:52.878 --> 00:54:54.313
  • - That was a part ofwhat Jesus wanted for us.
  • 00:54:54.313 --> 00:54:56.682
  • - [Ben] Yeah.
  • 00:54:56.682 --> 00:54:58.050
  • - That there's aspiritual part of our life
  • 00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.052
  • and the physical part,
  • 00:55:00.052 --> 00:55:01.553
  • and these are importantparts of our discipleship,
  • 00:55:01.553 --> 00:55:03.756
  • but also, you know understanding
  • 00:55:03.756 --> 00:55:05.991
  • that there arethese practical ways
  • 00:55:05.991 --> 00:55:07.726
  • we can have a healthy mind,
  • 00:55:07.726 --> 00:55:10.295
  • and your book does agreat job of doing that.
  • 00:55:10.295 --> 00:55:12.431
  • And your ministry does agreat job of helping people.
  • 00:55:12.431 --> 00:55:14.400
  • - The brain can change.
  • 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:15.634
  • We're not stuckwith this equipment,
  • 00:55:15.634 --> 00:55:16.902
  • take your thoughts captive,
  • 00:55:16.902 --> 00:55:18.203
  • be transformed by therenewing of your mind.
  • 00:55:18.203 --> 00:55:20.472
  • The brain can change.That's good news.
  • 00:55:20.472 --> 00:55:22.508
  • - The brain can change.- Yes.
  • 00:55:22.508 --> 00:55:23.942
  • - Ben, thank you so much.- Thank you Bobby.
  • 00:55:23.942 --> 00:55:25.444
  • - Thank you for the waysthat you've helped me
  • 00:55:25.444 --> 00:55:26.845
  • and help so many people at home.
  • 00:55:26.845 --> 00:55:28.213
  • And wherever you are,
  • 00:55:28.213 --> 00:55:29.515
  • we just want you toknow we are for you,
  • 00:55:29.515 --> 00:55:31.183
  • we are on your side,we are rooting for you,
  • 00:55:31.183 --> 00:55:34.319
  • (soft piano music)your best is yet to come,
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  • don't give up,
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  • trust that God has abig vision for your life
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  • and we are here and we love you.
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  • Thank you guys for joining us.
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  • We'll see you nexttime on "Praise."
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  • God bless you.
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  • (upbeat music)
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