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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Dr. Charles Stanley.

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Praise | Charles Stanley | 6/4/18

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  • SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH ATLANTA,
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  • FOUNDER OF IN TOUCH MINISTRIES, AND A NEW
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  • YORK TIMES BEST-SELLING AUTHOR WHO HAS WRITTEN
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  • MORE THAN 60 BOOKS AND HAS SOLD MORE THAN
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  • TEN MILLION COPIES.
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  • HIS TEACHINGS CAN BE HEARD DAILY ON IN TOUCH
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  • WITH DOCTOR CHARLES STANLEY RADIO AND
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  • TELEVISION BROADCASTS ON MORE THAN 2800 STATIONS
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  • AROUND THE WORLD.
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  • - DR. CHARLES STANLEY: I'VE JUST SEEN GOD WORK IN
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  • EVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.
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  • IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.
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  • HOW CAN YOU LOSE THE GOD WHO CREATED IT ALL?
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  • - HE DEMONSTRATES A KEEN AWARENESS OF PEOPLE'S
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  • NEEDS AND PROVIDES CHRIST CENTERED, BIBLICALLY
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  • BASED PRINCIPLES FOR EVERYDAY LIFE.
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  • NOW PLEASE WELCOME DOCTOR CHARLES STANLEY NEXT
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  • ON PRAISE.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MATT CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR IT IS TODAY TO
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  • WELCOME YOU TO THIS PRAISE PROGRAM RIGHT HERE
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  • FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA AND THE IN TOUCH STUDIOS.
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  • DOCTOR CHARLES STANLEY, THANK YOU FOR SITTING
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  • WITH US FOR THE NEXT ONE HOUR OR SO.
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  • - LAURIE CROUCH: WHAT AN HONOR.
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  • - IT IS FANTASTIC.
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  • NOW, LET ME JUST BRAG ON DOCTOR STANLEY FOR
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  • JUST A SECOND.
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  • WE BELIEVE YOU'RE TBN'S LONGEST RUNNING BROADCAST.
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  • YOUR RATINGS ON TBN ARE HIGHER THAN THEY'VE EVER
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  • BEEN, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE
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  • WITH YOU TODAY AND TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS
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  • PRAISE PROGRAM BUT FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOUR OWN
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  • HOME HERE IN TOUCH STUDIOS.
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  • - CHARLES STANLEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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  • I APPRECIATE THAT.
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  • - OKAY.
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  • WE FOUND A THEME WHEN WE'RE BACK IN THE GREEN ROOM.
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  • FIRST OF ALL, WHEREVER YOU'RE WATCHING YOU'RE
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  • GOING TO LOVE THIS.
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  • - YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT.
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  • - EVERYONE LOVES DOCTOR STANLEY SO CALL SOMEBODY.
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  • - CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
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  • WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DO SO WELL ON TELEVISION?
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  • WHY DO YOU THINK NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE 85
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  • GOOD LOOKING YEARS OLD.
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  • - WELL, THANK YOU.
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  • - WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE
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  • HIGHEST RATINGS?
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  • - WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY EXACTLY ACCEPT I THINK
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  • YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK THAT AGE WOULD BE AN
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  • DISADVANTAGE BUT IN THE SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE
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  • AGE IS AN ADVANTAGE THAT IS IF YOU HAVE THE TRUTH,
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  • AND YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEAK IT AND YOU HAVE THE
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  • COURAGE TO SAY IT, PEOPLE LISTEN.
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  • - WELL, TO ME IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A
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  • HUNGER FOR AN ELDER STATESMAN, TALK ABOUT THE
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  • HALL OF FAITH.
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  • I THINK THIS MAN WOULD BE RIGHT THERE IN THE
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  • MIDDLE OF THEM
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  • IN HEBREWS 11 AND 12, BUT I JUST THINK
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  • THAT'S AMAZING.
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  • I LOVE, I LOVE YOU, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE YOUNG
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  • PEOPLE, THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS NEED YOUR
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  • VOICE IN THEIR LIFE, AND I THINK THAT'S
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  • VERY EVIDENT.
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  • - COULD YOU GIVE ME A COMPLIMENT KIND OF LIKE
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  • YOU'RE GIVING HIM?
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  • - I JUST THINK YOU'RE ALWAYS ADORABLE.
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  • - I'M GETTING A LITTLE JEALOUS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - I HOPE YOU LOOK LIKE HIM WHEN YOU'RE 85.
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  • - I DO, TOO.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - OKAY.
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  • BACK IN THE BACK WE FOUND A BIT OF A THEME.
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  • IT'S ONE OF THE LIFE LESSONS IN ESSENCE AND
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  • ONE OF THE THEMATIC THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING
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  • TO TOUCH ON KIND OF THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE
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  • UGLY HERE.
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  • IT'S MAINLY GOING TO BE GOOD, BUT OBEY GOD, LEAVE
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  • ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
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  • - CORRECT.
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  • - WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?
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  • - WELL, WHEN I WAS 18 I FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL AND
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  • I WAS GOING TO COLLEGE, AND I THOUGHT MY
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  • GRANDFATHER, I'D ONLY SEEN HIM TWICE BEFORE,
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  • HE'D BEEN A PENTECOSTAL PREACHER FOR MANY MANY
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  • YEARS, AND HE WAS IN HIS 70'S, AND SO I THOUGHT
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  • WELL, I NEED TO GO TALK TO MY GRANDDAD
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  • FOR SOME REASON.
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  • SO I WENT DOWN AND I SPENT A WEEK WITH HIM.
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  • AND I TOLD HIM, I SAID I JUST WANT TO
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  • LISTEN TO YOU.
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  • HE'D BEEN A PASTOR ALL THESE YEARS.
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  • SO WE WOULD SIT ON HIS SCREENED IN BACK PORCH IN
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  • SILER CITY, NORTH CAROLINA, AND I WOULD
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  • JUST ASK HIM QUESTIONS, I MEAN, JUST ALL KINDS OF
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  • QUESTIONS, AND HE WOULD SIT THERE AND TALK AND
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  • WE'D GO EAT LUNCH OR SOMETHING, COME BACK AND
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  • SIT DOWN, AND SO IN THE PROCESS OF ALL THE THINGS
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  • HE SAID TO ME, HE SAID THIS, HE SAYS, WHEN
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  • YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A HARD TIME, HE SAID PUT IT
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  • THIS WAY, IF GOD TELLS YOU TO HEAD TOWARD A
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  • BRICK WALL, YOU HEAD FOR THE WALL, AND WHEN YOU
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  • GET THERE GOD WILL MAKE A HOLE FOR IT.
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  • SO I CHUCKLED LIKE THAT.
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  • I DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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  • BUT ON MY WAY HOME THINKING ABOUT THAT -- I
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  • CAN HARDLY TELL YOU.
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  • IT'S LIKE GOD SAID TO ME HERE'S WHAT HE'S SAYING,
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  • OBEY GOD AND LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM,
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  • AND I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT.
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  • YES, LORD. I WILL.
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  • - SO NOT TO START HERE, BUT YOU JUST SAID IN A
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  • TOUGH TIME.
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  • THERE'S BEEN A FEW TOUGH TIMES THAT YOU'VE
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  • LIVED THROUGH.
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  • YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM.
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  • WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME OF THEM.
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  • I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A TOUGH THING.
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  • AND TRUST GOD, OBEY GOD, AND LEAVE
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  • THE CONSEQUENCES.
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  • YOU GOT A REALLY HORRIBLE PHONE CALL ONE MORNING
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  • FROM YOUR FORMER WIFE.
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  • TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
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  • - WELL, IT WAS A SURPRISE BUT NOT-- IN A
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  • WAY IT WASN'T. AND SHE HAD LEFT ME FOR
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  • QUITE SOME TIME.
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  • AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY WELL, HOW CAN YOU PREACH
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  • IF YOUR WIFE IS GONE?
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  • I SAY, BECAUSE GOD HASN'T TOLD ME TO DO
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  • ANYTHING ELSE.
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  • SO THAT WHEN ON FOR A WHILE UNTIL FINALLY SHE
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  • DECIDED THAT SHE WANTED A DIVORCE.
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  • AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING CRITICAL
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  • NECESSARILY TO SAY ABOUT ME.
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  • AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS SUSPECT THINGS.
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  • AND SO FINALLY SHE DECIDED I JUST DON'T WANT
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  • TO LIVE WITH YOU ANY LONGER.
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  • AND I WANT A DIVORCE.
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  • SO WHEN THAT WORD GOT OUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
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  • SAID WELL, YOU CAN'T BE A PASTOR OF A CHURCH WITH
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  • YOUR WIFE GONE.
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  • AND SO I'D GET DOWN TO PRAY AND THE LORD JUST
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  • TOLD ME, YOU JUST KEEP DOING WHAT I CALLED YOU
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  • TO DO UNTIL I TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
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  • AND SO FINALLY WHEN AN ATTORNEY CALLED ME TOLD
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  • ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND WHERE SHOULD HE
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  • LEAVE THE PAPERS, AND I TOLD HIM.
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  • I PUT THE PHONE DOWN AND I HAD THIS OVERWHELMING
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  • SENSE OF PEACE.
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  • I THOUGHT, GOD, I'VE OBEYED YOU.
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  • THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, AND I'M GOING TO TRUST YOU.
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  • AND NATURALLY SOME FOLKS IN THE CHURCH GOT UPSET,
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  • AND I TOLD THEM, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • GOD HASN'T TOLD ME TO DO ANYTHING BUT WHAT I'M
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  • DOING, SO I'M INTEND TO DO THAT UNTIL HE TELLS ME
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  • TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
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  • AND SO THAT WENT ON, AND THE WORD GOT OUT, AND IT
  • 00:07:16.140 --> 00:07:21.240
  • WAS ON TELEVISION.
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  • WE HAD PEOPLE CALLING US FROM LONDON AND THIS,
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  • THAT, AND THE OTHER AND SAID WE'RE JUST GOING TO
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  • KEEP GOING WHAT GOD SAID DO, AND I GOT A LOT OF
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  • ENCOURAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID WELL, THAT
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  • WASN'T YOUR DECISION.
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  • YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
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  • SO FINALLY, IT WAS ALL OVER, AND I LOOK BACK AND
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  • SEE HOW GOD PROTECTED ME THROUGH THAT.
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  • AND I HAD NO ANIMOSITY.
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  • IT WASN'T MY IDEA, AND SO SHE DIVORCED ME.
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  • AND I REMEMBER A CRITICAL MOMENT IN THAT WHEN WE
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  • WERE STANDING IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
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  • AND THEY WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANTED
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  • AND THIS, THAT, AND OTHER, AND SO FINALLY THE
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  • LORD REMINDED ME OF A STATEMENT I HAD HEARD
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  • BEFORE AND READ.
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  • I SAID, YES, LORD.
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  • SO I SAID HERE'S THE DEAL, SO TAKE IT OR
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  • LEAVE IT.
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  • SO MY ATTORNEY DID.
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  • AND SO IN FIVE MINUTES THEY SAID, OKAY.
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  • AND SO I NEVER FELT LIKE I REALLY DIVORCED HER.
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  • SHE ASKED FOR IT.
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  • I RESPONDED TO IT.
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  • WHAT ELSE COULD I DO?
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  • AND I FELT LIKE I HAD OBEYED GOD BY RESPONDING,
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  • AND I KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF ME.
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  • - YOUR RESPONSE WAS TO JUST NOT CHANGE ANYTHING
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  • YOU WERE DOING BEFORE.
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  • - RIGHT.
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  • - WOULD YOU GIVE THAT ADVICE TO OTHERS?
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  • YOU'VE WEATHERED A STORM THAT MOST OF THE TIME
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  • SINKS THE SHIP.
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  • I LOOK AROUND HERE AND THE SHIP IS STILL SAILING
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  • ALONG HERE.
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  • AT 85, YOU'VE NEVER HAD THE RESPONSE TO YOUR
  • 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:07.260
  • BROADCAST, THESE BUILDINGS, THE GROUNDS.
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  • YOU JUST KEPT DOING WHAT GOD TOLD YOU TO DO.
  • 00:09:10.280 --> 00:09:13.120
  • IS THAT ADVICE FOR DIVORCED FOLKS THAT
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  • ARE WATCHING?
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  • - IF YOU ARE RIGHT WITH GOD IN YOUR HEART AND
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  • YOU'RE DOING WHAT GOD CALLED YOU TO DO, THEN
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  • YOU KEEP DOING WHAT HE CALLED YOU TO DO UNTIL HE
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  • TELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
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  • AND THAT WAS MY CONVICTION.
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  • LORD, I'M GOING TO KEEP DOING WHAT YOU SAID DO.
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  • IF YOU WANT ME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, TELL ME,
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  • BUT UNTIL THEN, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
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  • NOW, OF COURSE EVERYBODY IN THE CHURCH WASN'T
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  • HAPPY ABOUT ALL THAT, SO I SAID WELL, I'M NOT
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  • GOING ANYWHERE.
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  • IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, THEN I FULLY UNDERSTAND
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  • YOUR CONVICTION, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP DOING WHAT
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  • GOD CALLED ME TO DO AND HE HASN'T TOLD ME TO LEAVE.
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  • - IF X, Y, Z HIGH PROFILE CONTEMPORARY OF
  • 00:09:50.230 --> 00:09:55.060
  • YOURS WROTE YOU A LETTER AND SAID YOU NEED TO
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  • RESIGN, WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE HAVE BEEN?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - WELL, I HAVE SOME OF THOSE.
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  • - CAN I SEE THEM LATER?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - I SAID, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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  • I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONVICTION, AND PROBABLY
  • 00:10:08.260 --> 00:10:11.060
  • YEARS AGO I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH
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  • YOU, BUT I'M DOING WHAT GOD'S CALLED ME TO DO
  • 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:16.250
  • TODAY, AND THAT'S ALL I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR.
  • 00:10:16.270 --> 00:10:19.090
  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE
  • 00:10:19.110 --> 00:10:20.270
  • YOUR PRAYERS.
  • 00:10:20.290 --> 00:10:21.290
  • - LOVE THAT.
  • 00:10:22.010 --> 00:10:23.080
  • DOCTOR STANLEY, YOU HAVE, WE'VE BEEN JUST TALKING
  • 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.230
  • ABOUT THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD, AND FOR -WHEN DID
  • 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:31.060
  • YOU START PASTORING A CHURCH?
  • 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.240
  • - I GRADUATED SEMINARY IN 1957, AND I
  • 00:10:34.260 --> 00:10:37.280
  • STARTED IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.080
  • - HERE IN ATLANTA?
  • 00:10:39.100 --> 00:10:40.220
  • - NO.
  • 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:41.290
  • I WAS IN A LITTLE CHURCH UP IN FRUITLAND, NORTH
  • 00:10:42.010 --> 00:10:44.060
  • CAROLINA, AND I TAUGHT IT BIBLE INSTITUTE AT THE
  • 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:45.200
  • SAME TIME.
  • 00:10:45.220 --> 00:10:46.290
  • THEN I WENT TO OHIO, OHIO TO MIAMI, AND MIAMI TO
  • 00:10:47.010 --> 00:10:50.070
  • BARTO, AND BARTO TO FIRST BAPTIST ATLANTA, AND I'VE
  • 00:10:50.090 --> 00:10:54.230
  • BEEN HERE ABOUT 50 YEARS.
  • 00:10:54.250 --> 00:10:56.210
  • - WOW. OKAY --
  • 00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:58.100
  • - ABOUT.
  • 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.180
  • - SO YOU HAVE A LIFETIME OF JUST PUTTING ONE FOOT
  • 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.010
  • IN FRONT OF THE OTHER AND JUST SEEING THE
  • 00:11:02.030 --> 00:11:05.090
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:11:05.110 --> 00:11:07.100
  • AND WE'VE BEEN SHARING ABOUT IT.
  • 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:08.260
  • TELL US SOME OF YOUR, JUST SOME OF THE BIG
  • 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:11.240
  • MARKERS THAT YOU KNOW THAT GOD PUT THAT IN YOU
  • 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:15.180
  • AND YOU CONQUERED AND YOU JUST KNEW YOU WERE IN THE
  • 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:17.180
  • RIGHT PLACE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
  • 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.100
  • - [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.110
  • WELL, I HAVE LOTS OF THEM BUT I TELL YOU ONE
  • 00:11:21.130 --> 00:11:23.160
  • OF THE MAJOR ONES IS WHEN I'D BEEN IN BARTO
  • 00:11:23.180 --> 00:11:27.010
  • ABOUT 11 MONTHS.
  • 00:11:27.030 --> 00:11:30.270
  • AND THIS FIRST OF MINE FROM FIRST BAPTIST
  • 00:11:30.290 --> 00:11:32.110
  • ATLANTA CALLED AND SAID HE WANTED TO TALK TO ME
  • 00:11:32.130 --> 00:11:34.230
  • ABOUT THE FACT THEY NEEDED AN
  • 00:11:34.250 --> 00:11:36.260
  • ASSOCIATE PASTOR.
  • 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:38.030
  • I SAID, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:11:38.050 --> 00:11:39.040
  • I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 11 MONTHS.
  • 00:11:39.060 --> 00:11:40.270
  • HE SAID, WOULD YOU PRAY ABOUT IT?
  • 00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:42.090
  • I SAID, WELL, I'LL PRAY ABOUT IT.
  • 00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:43.290
  • AND WE CHATTED, AND AS SOON AS I GOT OFF THE
  • 00:11:44.010 --> 00:11:48.020
  • PHONE I BROKE OUT CRYING.
  • 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:49.220
  • - OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.090
  • - AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I'M NOT EVEN
  • 00:11:51.110 --> 00:11:52.170
  • GOING TO PRAY ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:54.090
  • I JUST BROKE OUT CRYING.
  • 00:11:54.110 --> 00:11:55.200
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:11:55.220 --> 00:11:57.220
  • ANYWAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,
  • 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:00.180
  • I TOLD THEM NO.
  • 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.030
  • I TOLD THEM NO SIX DIFFERENT TIMES, AND THEN
  • 00:12:03.050 --> 00:12:06.110
  • I WAS UP IN ALEXANDER, VIRGINIA PREACHING A
  • 00:12:06.130 --> 00:12:08.220
  • REVIVAL IN THE SPRING FOLLOWING THAT
  • 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.150
  • INVITATION, AND ONE NIGHT I GOT DOWN TO PRAY, AND
  • 00:12:11.170 --> 00:12:15.160
  • -WHEN I SAY I GOT DOWN TO PRAY I'VE ALWAYS PRAYED
  • 00:12:15.180 --> 00:12:18.230
  • ON MY KNEES, SO WHEN I SAY I GOT DOWN THAT'S
  • 00:12:18.250 --> 00:12:20.210
  • WHAT IT MEANS.
  • 00:12:20.230 --> 00:12:22.020
  • SO I WAS DOWN PRAYING AND ASKING THE LORD
  • 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:25.000
  • ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:12:25.020 --> 00:12:26.080
  • I WAS FEELING SORT OF TROUBLED ABOUT IT BECAUSE
  • 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.240
  • FIRST OF ALL, I'D ONLY BEEN IN THIS CHURCH
  • 00:12:29.260 --> 00:12:31.290
  • 11 MONTHS.
  • 00:12:32.010 --> 00:12:33.130
  • AND SECONDLY, I THOUGHT WHY-- TO GO TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA?
  • 00:12:33.150 --> 00:12:40.050
  • I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
  • 00:12:40.070 --> 00:12:42.190
  • SO I CAME BACK FROM PREACHING THE NEXT NIGHT,
  • 00:12:42.210 --> 00:12:46.120
  • AND I GOT DOWN TO PRAY AND I WAS PRAYING ABOUT
  • 00:12:46.140 --> 00:12:51.080
  • THAT, AND ALL THE SUDDEN I SAW, LITERALLY SAW THIS
  • 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:55.290
  • BIG SCREEN LIKE YOU WOULD SHOW A MOVIE AT YOUR
  • 00:12:56.010 --> 00:12:58.200
  • HOME OR SOMETHING.
  • 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:00.020
  • - MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:13:00.040 --> 00:13:01.110
  • - AND THE LORD SAID I'M GOING TO MOVE YOU.
  • 00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:04.020
  • I SAID, MOVE ME?
  • 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:05.160
  • WHEN?
  • 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:06.280
  • THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER TO THE TOP RIGHT
  • 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.160
  • HAND CORNER IN BIG BOLD BLACK LETTERS, SEPTEMBER.
  • 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:12.280
  • - MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.070
  • - I THOUGHT WELL, THIS MUST BE MY IMAGINATION.
  • 00:13:14.090 --> 00:13:16.050
  • I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 11 MONTHS, LORD.
  • 00:13:16.070 --> 00:13:19.230
  • AND SO I CAME BACK THE NEXT NIGHT AND GOT DOWN
  • 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:24.080
  • TO PRAY.
  • 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:25.160
  • I WAS GOING TO ARGUE WITH GOD ABOUT IT, AND YOU
  • 00:13:25.180 --> 00:13:27.230
  • KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:13:27.250 --> 00:13:29.000
  • GOD WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
  • 00:13:29.020 --> 00:13:30.030
  • IT'S LIKE HE JUST DISAPPEARED.
  • 00:13:30.050 --> 00:13:32.150
  • SO I CAME HOME AND TOLD MY WIFE ABOUT IT, AND SO
  • 00:13:32.170 --> 00:13:34.170
  • I SAID THE LAST PLACE I WANT TO GO IS TO
  • 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:38.210
  • ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
  • 00:13:38.230 --> 00:13:39.270
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:13:39.290 --> 00:13:40.280
  • I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.
  • 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.150
  • WELL, SEPTEMBER 25 OF THAT YEAR I MOVED TO ATLANTA.
  • 00:13:42.170 --> 00:13:45.290
  • - OH, MY LORD.
  • 00:13:46.010 --> 00:13:47.120
  • - SO I THINK GOD HAD TO DO THAT SO HE KNEW WHEN
  • 00:13:47.140 --> 00:13:54.140
  • WAS COMING, AND I NEEDED TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:57.210
  • UNQUESTIONABLE CONVICTION I WAS WHERE GOD SENT ME
  • 00:13:57.230 --> 00:14:00.270
  • UNTIL HE MOVED ME, AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR
  • 00:14:00.290 --> 00:14:04.250
  • ABOUT 50 YEARS.
  • 00:14:04.270 --> 00:14:05.250
  • - WOW.
  • 00:14:05.270 --> 00:14:07.010
  • - SO THAT WAS A BIG MARKER IN THE ROAD.
  • 00:14:07.030 --> 00:14:08.150
  • YOU KNEW YOU WERE PLANTED HERE, COULDN'T ARGUE WITH IT.
  • 00:14:08.170 --> 00:14:12.110
  • - AND THE PASTOR AND I WERE A THOUSAND MILES APART.
  • 00:14:12.130 --> 00:14:17.240
  • I COULDN'T EVEN PICTURE ME BEING AN ASSOCIATE
  • 00:14:17.260 --> 00:14:20.070
  • PASTOR WITH HIM.
  • 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:21.190
  • HE PREACHED ON SUNDAY MORNING.
  • 00:14:21.210 --> 00:14:23.130
  • I PREACHED ON SUNDAY NIGHT.
  • 00:14:23.150 --> 00:14:25.030
  • AND THEN I LISTENED TO HIM AND THOUGHT, WELL, DO
  • 00:14:25.050 --> 00:14:27.160
  • I AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT?
  • 00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:29.100
  • BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VERY CONSERVATIVE.
  • 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.130
  • AND FINALLY HE JUST UP AND LEFT.
  • 00:14:31.150 --> 00:14:35.280
  • - OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.070
  • - AND THEN THEY WENT THROUGH TRYING TO FIND
  • 00:14:37.090 --> 00:14:39.160
  • THE PASTOR, AND THEN WE HAD A BIG FIGHT IN THE
  • 00:14:39.180 --> 00:14:41.050
  • CHURCH AND ULTIMATELY ABOUT HALF OF THEM LEFT.
  • 00:14:41.070 --> 00:14:45.000
  • AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY LEFT WE TOOK OFF GROWING.
  • 00:14:45.020 --> 00:14:47.120
  • BEEN GROWING EVER SINCE.
  • 00:14:47.140 --> 00:14:48.290
  • - WOW. THAT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:14:49.010 --> 00:14:50.180
  • - OBEY GOD.
  • 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.150
  • LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:14:52.170 --> 00:14:55.160
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:14:55.180 --> 00:14:56.270
  • - WHEN ANDY LEFT YOUR CHURCH, HOW WAS
  • 00:14:56.290 --> 00:15:03.040
  • THAT STATEMENT?
  • 00:15:03.060 --> 00:15:05.130
  • ARE YOU GLAD YOU HAD THAT STATEMENT IN YOUR HEART?
  • 00:15:05.150 --> 00:15:08.040
  • - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:15:08.060 --> 00:15:09.120
  • I THOUGHT WELL, HE'S MADE HIS DECISION, AND GOD,
  • 00:15:09.140 --> 00:15:12.050
  • YOU'VE ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF ME AND SHOWN ME
  • 00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:13.180
  • WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:14.260
  • WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
  • 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:16.050
  • IN SIX MONTHS WE HAD THAT MANY PEOPLE BACK.
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:19.240
  • AND WE'VE NEVER SLOWED DOWN.
  • 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:21.220
  • HE STARTED HIS MINISTRY AND HE'S GOT A BIG THING
  • 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.280
  • GOING, AND SO HE LEARNED FROM ME OBEY GOD AND
  • 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.280
  • LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.140
  • NOW WE HAVE ALL THIS GOING ON.
  • 00:15:29.160 --> 00:15:32.240
  • AND I'VE JUST SEEN GOD WORK IN EVERY
  • 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:36.040
  • SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.
  • 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:38.180
  • IF YOU OBEY HIM, YOU CAN'T LOSE.
  • 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.010
  • HOW CAN YOU LOSE THE GOD WHO CREATED IT ALL?
  • 00:15:41.030 --> 00:15:43.180
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.110
  • THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT.
  • 00:15:45.130 --> 00:15:47.230
  • I THOUGHT MAN, IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING IN FAITH
  • 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:49.280
  • AND WITH THE RIGHT HEART AND REALLY BELIEVE, HOW
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.120
  • CAN YOU FALL?
  • 00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:54.010
  • EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT MIGHT LOOK TO OTHERS LIKE
  • 00:15:54.030 --> 00:15:55.180
  • YOU HAVE FALLEN, YOU DON'T BECAUSE THE
  • 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.220
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD TAKES EVERYTHING AND MAKES IT GOOD.
  • 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.050
  • - WHAT IT FEELS LIKE, DOCTOR STANLEY, IS THAT
  • 00:16:02.070 --> 00:16:05.210
  • SOMETIMES I THINK THAT AUDIENCES THAT VIEW
  • 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:11.140
  • PEOPLE ON TELEVISION THINK THEY DON'T HAVE
  • 00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:14.070
  • EVER NO PROBLEMS.
  • 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:16.030
  • YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NOTHING GOING ON.
  • 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:17.270
  • THEY NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUES TO DEAL WITH, AND
  • 00:16:17.290 --> 00:16:20.140
  • THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE WHO
  • 00:16:20.160 --> 00:16:22.260
  • I AM IN THE VIEWING AUDIENCE.
  • 00:16:22.280 --> 00:16:24.280
  • - NORMAL.
  • 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.040
  • - AND THEY THINK THAT -BUT YOU'VE DEALT WITH
  • 00:16:27.060 --> 00:16:30.050
  • SOME OF THE MOST PAINFUL THINGS THAT CAN BE DEALT
  • 00:16:30.070 --> 00:16:32.140
  • WITH, AND AT 85, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME
  • 00:16:32.160 --> 00:16:36.030
  • YOU'RE SITTING THERE SMILING AND YOU'RE CONTENT.
  • 00:16:36.050 --> 00:16:39.270
  • - I AM.
  • 00:16:39.290 --> 00:16:42.000
  • - YOU ARE ENJOYING LIFE.
  • 00:16:42.020 --> 00:16:44.130
  • ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT YOUR GRANDFATHER.
  • 00:16:44.150 --> 00:16:47.170
  • YOU MENTIONED BRIEFLY THAT HE WAS A
  • 00:16:47.190 --> 00:16:51.030
  • PENTECOSTAL PREACHER.
  • 00:16:51.050 --> 00:16:53.060
  • SO YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOME ROOTS FROM THE
  • 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.020
  • PENTECOSTAL SIDE OF YOUR WORLD.
  • 00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:58.000
  • - DEEP ROOTS.
  • 00:16:58.020 --> 00:16:59.160
  • - DEEP ROOTS.
  • 00:16:59.180 --> 00:17:01.130
  • AND THEN WHEN I HEAR A STORY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:17:01.150 --> 00:17:03.280
  • WORD SEPTEMBER GETS WRITTEN ACROSS YOUR
  • 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.290
  • VISION AND ALL OF THAT, THAT SOUNDS A
  • 00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:09.170
  • BIT PENTECOSTAL.
  • 00:17:09.190 --> 00:17:11.110
  • ARE YOU BAPTI-COSTAL?
  • 00:17:11.130 --> 00:17:13.040
  • HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF?
  • 00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:15.150
  • - WELL, YOU KNOW, I BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE
  • 00:17:15.170 --> 00:17:17.230
  • SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION AND THAT WAS
  • 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:20.120
  • THE BIGGEST CONVENTION THEY EVER HAD.
  • 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:22.170
  • AND ONE OF THE CRITICISMS WAS I WAS PENTECOSTAL.
  • 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:24.290
  • I SAID, WELL, IF OBEYING GOD MEANS I'M
  • 00:17:25.010 --> 00:17:27.230
  • PENTECOSTAL, COUNT ME IN.
  • 00:17:27.250 --> 00:17:29.140
  • - NICE.
  • 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:30.280
  • - I LOVE IT.
  • 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:32.070
  • - I LIKE YOU.
  • 00:17:32.090 --> 00:17:33.030
  • - I LOVE YOUR STUDIO.
  • 00:17:33.050 --> 00:17:34.040
  • LOOK HOW PRETTY THEIR STUDIO.
  • 00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:35.110
  • YOUR CAMPUS HERE IS JUST AMAZING.
  • 00:17:35.130 --> 00:17:39.000
  • TELL US HOW YOU FIRST KIND OF FOUND THIS
  • 00:17:39.020 --> 00:17:42.130
  • PROPERTY AND THAT STORY.
  • 00:17:42.150 --> 00:17:44.210
  • - I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS HERE'S A FUN
  • 00:17:44.230 --> 00:17:46.240
  • QUESTION, YOU GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A GROCERY
  • 00:17:46.260 --> 00:17:49.070
  • MAN ONE TIME.
  • 00:17:49.090 --> 00:17:50.250
  • WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?
  • 00:17:50.270 --> 00:17:52.230
  • - WELL, WE WERE SCATTERED IN 7 DIFFERENT
  • 00:17:52.250 --> 00:17:55.050
  • LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN, AND I KNEW WE NEEDED TO HAVE
  • 00:17:55.070 --> 00:17:57.190
  • ALL THE STAFF TOGETHER.
  • 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.220
  • SO I'D BEEN PRAYING ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:04.070
  • EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:18:04.090 --> 00:18:06.010
  • SO I TOLD THE STAFF, THE MAJOR STAFF GUYS, I SAID
  • 00:18:06.030 --> 00:18:08.120
  • I WANT US TO GO NEWSPAPER THE MOUNTAINS AND I WANT
  • 00:18:08.140 --> 00:18:11.010
  • US TO HAVE A PRAYER MEETING.
  • 00:18:11.030 --> 00:18:13.150
  • AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT PRAY.
  • 00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:15.210
  • SO IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU CAN'T GO.
  • 00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:17.090
  • YOU GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE.
  • 00:18:17.110 --> 00:18:19.110
  • SO WE CAME UP AND WE PRAYED ABOUT THREE DAYS
  • 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:21.020
  • OFF AND ON.
  • 00:18:21.040 --> 00:18:23.090
  • MOSTLY ON.
  • 00:18:23.110 --> 00:18:25.010
  • AND SO WE WERE DOWN PRAYING, AND I FORGOT TO
  • 00:18:25.030 --> 00:18:29.280
  • TELL YOU THIS, AND ONE OF OUR FELLAS WAS BRILLIANT
  • 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.150
  • WHEN IT CAME TO ELECTRONICS AND
  • 00:18:33.170 --> 00:18:36.000
  • EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS PRAYER
  • 00:18:36.020 --> 00:18:38.290
  • I SAID TO HIM, GEORGE, I SAID IS IT POSSIBLE, IS
  • 00:18:39.010 --> 00:18:42.110
  • IT REALLY POSSIBLE IN OUR LIFETIME TO GET THE
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:47.110
  • GOSPEL ALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:49.160
  • HE DIDN'T EVEN HESITATE.
  • 00:18:49.180 --> 00:18:50.280
  • HE SAID YES, IT IS.
  • 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.110
  • I SAID, LET'S KEEP PRAYING.
  • 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:54.020
  • AND SO WE STARTED PRAYING.
  • 00:18:54.040 --> 00:18:55.290
  • WELL, LORD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT CAN WE DO?
  • 00:18:56.010 --> 00:18:59.030
  • BUT I DIDN'T TAKE THAT REALLY ALL THAT SERIOUS.
  • 00:18:59.050 --> 00:19:01.180
  • BUT I KNEW SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING.
  • 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.130
  • SO WE CAME HOME FROM PRAYING, AND THERE WAS A
  • 00:19:03.150 --> 00:19:07.120
  • PINK SLIP ON MY DESK, AND SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME
  • 00:19:07.140 --> 00:19:10.110
  • AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD RETURN THE CALL, SO I DID.
  • 00:19:10.130 --> 00:19:13.010
  • AND I FOUND OUT HE WAS A GROCERY MAN.
  • 00:19:13.030 --> 00:19:16.180
  • AND HE WAS OUT WEST AND HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF,
  • 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:21.040
  • AND IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION HE SAID, I
  • 00:19:21.060 --> 00:19:23.170
  • NOTICE YOU DON'T SEEM TO EVER HAVE ANY NEEDS.
  • 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:26.270
  • YOU DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING.
  • 00:19:26.290 --> 00:19:28.290
  • I SAID, WELL, WE HAVE A NEED, BUT I DON'T FEEL
  • 00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:32.190
  • LIKE GOD WANTS ME TO ASK ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
  • 00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:34.190
  • HE SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THE NEED?
  • 00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:36.220
  • I SAID, WELL, WE NEED A BUILDING.
  • 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.250
  • AND I SAID, I THINK I FOUND THE BUILDING.
  • 00:19:38.270 --> 00:19:41.020
  • THEY WANT ABOUT $790.000 BUT I BELIEVE I COULD BUY
  • 00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:43.220
  • IT FOR $700.000.
  • 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.220
  • HE SAID, YOU THINK YOU CAN?
  • 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.250
  • I SAID, YES, SIR.
  • 00:19:47.270 --> 00:19:49.170
  • I DIDN'T KNOW THIS FELLA.
  • 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:51.100
  • NEVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE.
  • 00:19:51.120 --> 00:19:53.020
  • HE SAID WELL, I'LL WRITE YOU A CHECK, AND YOU'LL
  • 00:19:53.040 --> 00:19:54.170
  • GET IT THIS WEEK.
  • 00:19:54.190 --> 00:19:56.160
  • - WOW.
  • 00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:58.100
  • - SO I GOT IT THAT WEEK, AND THEY STILL WANTED 790.
  • 00:19:58.120 --> 00:20:01.070
  • I SAID NO.
  • 00:20:01.090 --> 00:20:02.240
  • THE ONLY THING I CAN PRAY IS $700.000.
  • 00:20:02.260 --> 00:20:04.200
  • THAT'S WHAT GOD TOLD ME TO DO.
  • 00:20:04.220 --> 00:20:06.130
  • AND AFTER TWO WEEKS OF FLOUNDERING AROUND THEY
  • 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:08.020
  • FINALLY SAID OKAY.
  • 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:10.030
  • SO THAT WAS OUR FIRST BUILDING.
  • 00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:11.270
  • THEN WE REMODELED THAT ONE.
  • 00:20:11.290 --> 00:20:14.000
  • WE ADDED TO IT, AND ADDED ANOTHER BUILDING, AND
  • 00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:15.210
  • THERE WERE TWO LOTS UP THE STREET AND WE BOUGHT
  • 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:17.280
  • BOTH OF THOSE.
  • 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.230
  • LITTLE BY LITTLE.
  • 00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:21.230
  • I WAS JUST WALKING UP THE STREET AND THE LORD SAID,
  • 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:23.160
  • BUY IT.
  • 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:25.070
  • I THOUGHT WELL, BUY IT?
  • 00:20:25.090 --> 00:20:26.220
  • WE CAN'T JUST BUY IT.
  • 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.120
  • SO WE BOUGHT IT.
  • 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:30.020
  • THIS LADY CAME TO SEE ME, AND AFTER A LITTLE
  • 00:20:30.040 --> 00:20:31.270
  • CONVERSATION, SHE BOUGHT IT FOR US.
  • 00:20:31.290 --> 00:20:34.060
  • BOUGHT THE NEXT BUILDING, AND THEN THIS WHOLE
  • 00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:36.120
  • PROPERTY HERE WAS ABOUT 11 AND A HALF ACRES AND
  • 00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:39.240
  • THERE WAS NOTHING ON IT.
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:41.230
  • AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET JUST TAKING A
  • 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:43.170
  • BREAK, AND I THOUGHT 11 ACRES.
  • 00:20:43.190 --> 00:20:45.230
  • I WAS JUST HIM-HAWING AROUND WITH GOD ABOUT IT
  • 00:20:45.250 --> 00:20:49.000
  • BUT THE GOD SAID, BUY THE PROPERTY AND TRUST ME.
  • 00:20:49.020 --> 00:20:52.040
  • SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY, BUT WE BOUGHT IT
  • 00:20:52.060 --> 00:20:55.200
  • AND JUST TRUSTED GOD TO SUPPLY IT, SO HERE'S THE
  • 00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:57.290
  • TRUTH, I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR ANYTHING
  • 00:20:58.010 --> 00:21:00.270
  • BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN GOD SAYING DO THIS, AND
  • 00:21:00.290 --> 00:21:06.120
  • I'VE SAID, OKAY.
  • 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:09.040
  • LOTS OF DOUBTS SOMETIMES, BUT OKAY, AND HE'S
  • 00:21:09.060 --> 00:21:12.090
  • PROVIDED EVERY SINGLE THING WE'VE NEEDED AND
  • 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:14.200
  • STILL DOES IT EVERY DAY.
  • 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:18.020
  • - YOUR LIFE IS SOMEWHAT A TESTIMONY AT
  • 00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:20.220
  • 85 YEARS OLD NOW.
  • 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.230
  • MORE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING YOUR TELEVISION BROADCAST
  • 00:21:22.250 --> 00:21:28.180
  • THAN AT ANY TIME HERE ON TBN.
  • 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.290
  • IT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL SO I'M JUST -I'M THRILLED.
  • 00:21:33.010 --> 00:21:37.200
  • I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF MY DAD SOMEWHAT WHEN
  • 00:21:37.220 --> 00:21:42.070
  • I'M SITTING HERE.
  • 00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:46.250
  • - SURE.
  • 00:21:46.270 --> 00:21:49.120
  • - AND YOU GOT THE SAME HAIR COLOR AND ALL OF
  • 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:51.240
  • THAT, AND SO TBN WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS WITHOUT
  • 00:21:51.260 --> 00:21:55.000
  • SATELLITE, AND THE LORD HAD TO SHOW MY DAD
  • 00:21:55.020 --> 00:22:01.150
  • BASICALLY ALMOST LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, A
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:05.180
  • MOVIE PICTURE ON THE CEILING OF THE DEN OF OUR
  • 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.100
  • HOME, AND MY DAD SAW WHAT HE DESCRIBED LATER AS
  • 00:22:08.120 --> 00:22:10.200
  • KIND OF AN A T AND T COMMERCIAL AND WAS
  • 00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:13.200
  • LOOKING HIGH ABOVE THE NORTHERN AMERICAN
  • 00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:16.190
  • CONTINENT, ALL THESE LIGHTS TWINKLING ON.
  • 00:22:16.210 --> 00:22:20.240
  • AND HE SAID LORD, WHAT IS IT?
  • 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:23.100
  • AND THE LORD JUST SAID ONE WORD, SATELLITE.
  • 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:25.190
  • AND HE SAID, WHEN? SOON.
  • 00:22:25.210 --> 00:22:28.100
  • AND 30 DAYS LATER RCA SAT COM CALLED CHANNEL 40 AT
  • 00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:30.290
  • THE TIME.
  • 00:22:31.010 --> 00:22:33.060
  • ONE STATION OF TBN BACK THERE IN CALIFORNIA, AND
  • 00:22:33.080 --> 00:22:37.190
  • SAID WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON SATELLITE?
  • 00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.100
  • WELL, THE FEE WAS $30.000 A MONTH.
  • 00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:44.240
  • WELL, THE WHOLE BUDGET OF TBN WAS $30.000 A MONTH.
  • 00:22:44.260 --> 00:22:47.280
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.270
  • SO YOU SEE, MY DAD HAD TO SEE THE MOVIE PICTURE FOR
  • 00:22:49.290 --> 00:22:51.250
  • HIM TO -- - TO STEP OUT.
  • 00:22:51.270 --> 00:22:54.230
  • - SO VIOLATE HIS BUSINESS PRINCIPLES TO
  • 00:22:54.250 --> 00:22:57.100
  • THE FACT THAT HE WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT.
  • 00:22:57.120 --> 00:22:58.220
  • HE WOULD HAVE SAID WELL, I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
  • 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:02.290
  • AND SO THE VERY PIVOTAL THINGS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
  • 00:23:03.010 --> 00:23:05.080
  • AND I HAVE TESTIMONY OF MY OWN DAD'S LIFE,
  • 00:23:05.100 --> 00:23:07.010
  • AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE PIVOTAL THING THAT
  • 00:23:07.030 --> 00:23:10.130
  • BROUGHT YOU TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA GOD HAD TO WRITE
  • 00:23:10.150 --> 00:23:13.010
  • IT ACROSS KIND OF A MOVIE SCREEN FOR YOU.
  • 00:23:13.030 --> 00:23:16.260
  • - SOME OF US ARE HARD HEADED.
  • 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:18.180
  • - BUT OBEDIENCE.
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.130
  • - OBEDIENCE WAS A FACTOR HERE.
  • 00:23:20.150 --> 00:23:22.210
  • - YOU HAVE STAYED FAITHFUL IN YOUR
  • 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:24.220
  • OBEDIENCE ALSO.
  • 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.020
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:27.140
  • OUR AUDIENCE IS WATCHING.
  • 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:28.290
  • YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR FOR A LONG TIME.
  • 00:23:29.010 --> 00:23:32.040
  • MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
  • 00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:34.140
  • WE THINK YOU'RE THE LONGEST RUNNING
  • 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.150
  • CONTINUOUS BROADCAST, AND WE'RE TALKING TODAY WITH
  • 00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:39.210
  • DOCTOR CHARLES STANLEY.
  • 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:41.140
  • IN TOUCH MINISTRIES HAVE BEEN A NATIONAL MINISTRY,
  • 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.100
  • INTERNATIONAL MINISTRY FOR YEARS.
  • 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:47.170
  • OKAY.
  • 00:23:47.190 --> 00:23:49.060
  • LET ME JUST SAY WE ARE AT THE IN TOUCH STUDIOS.
  • 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:52.140
  • WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SETTING HERE.
  • 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.140
  • WE'RE THRILLED TO BE HERE.
  • 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.100
  • AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME TO INTERVIEW
  • 00:23:57.120 --> 00:24:01.230
  • YOU AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, AND THIS
  • 00:24:01.250 --> 00:24:04.000
  • IS FANTASTIC.
  • 00:24:04.020 --> 00:24:05.270
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:07.200
  • SO YOU SAID A WHILE AGO TALKING ABOUT BEING UP ON
  • 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:09.090
  • THE PRAYER MOUNTAIN PRAYING, YOU SAID THAT
  • 00:24:09.110 --> 00:24:11.190
  • YOU ASKED THE GUY, DO YOU SEE A DAY?
  • 00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:14.280
  • WAS THAT YOU ASK, DO YOU SEE A DAY WHEN THE WORLD
  • 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.020
  • GETS TOUCHED?
  • 00:24:17.040 --> 00:24:19.080
  • - HIS NAME WAS GEORGE -- I REMEMBER.
  • 00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:21.040
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:24:21.060 --> 00:24:23.040
  • SO WHEN DID YOU FINALLY GO, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'RE
  • 00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:25.170
  • GOING AROUND THE WORLD NOW WITH THE
  • 00:24:25.190 --> 00:24:27.110
  • GOSPEL OF CHRIST?
  • 00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:29.040
  • I MEAN, THAT WAS KIND OF FOREIGN TO YOU GUYS BACK
  • 00:24:29.060 --> 00:24:31.100
  • IN THAT DAY.
  • 00:24:31.120 --> 00:24:33.230
  • TELL US KIND OF JUST ABOUT THAT KIND OF BEING
  • 00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:35.150
  • AN A-HA MOMENT.
  • 00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:38.040
  • - WELL, THE ROOT OF THAT WAS WHEN I WAS DOWNTOWN I
  • 00:24:38.060 --> 00:24:41.240
  • WOULD PREACH AND AFTER EVERYBODY HAD GONE ONCE
  • 00:24:41.260 --> 00:24:47.080
  • IN A WHILE I'D WALK AROUND THE SANCTUARY AND
  • 00:24:47.100 --> 00:24:49.230
  • I'D THINK, GOD, I'VE STUDIED AND PRAYED ALL
  • 00:24:49.250 --> 00:24:51.200
  • WEEK LONG AND EVERYTHING I SAID DIED
  • 00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:54.000
  • WITHIN 4 WALLS.
  • 00:24:54.020 --> 00:24:56.060
  • AND THAT'S WHAT GOT ME THINKING WE CAN'T KEEP
  • 00:24:56.080 --> 00:25:01.090
  • THIS IN FOUR WALLS.
  • 00:25:01.110 --> 00:25:03.190
  • - WELL, GOING ON TELEVISION IT'S PRICEY,
  • 00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:06.080
  • ISN'T IT?
  • 00:25:06.100 --> 00:25:08.050
  • - IT IS.
  • 00:25:08.070 --> 00:25:10.020
  • - SO WAS THAT EVER A STRUGGLE FOR YOU?
  • 00:25:10.040 --> 00:25:12.080
  • - NO.
  • 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:14.050
  • YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS WHEN I FIRST
  • 00:25:14.070 --> 00:25:17.160
  • CAME, WE WERE ON BLACK AND WHITE STATION WITH
  • 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:22.040
  • TWO CAMERAS UP IN THE BALCONY KIND OF THING,
  • 00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:24.200
  • AND THEN WE GOT ON CHANNEL 11 HERE.
  • 00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:27.180
  • AND THEY GAVE US -WE PAID FOR THEM.
  • 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.090
  • THEY GAVE US 30 MINUTES LIVE ON SUN DAY MORNING
  • 00:25:32.110 --> 00:25:36.230
  • AT 8 TO 8:30 WHICH WAS FANTASTIC.
  • 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.130
  • SO I HAD A CHAIR AND THE BIBLE AND TWO LITTLE
  • 00:25:39.150 --> 00:25:42.130
  • ORANGE CAMERAS ABOUT THIS BIG, AND THAT'S THE WAY
  • 00:25:42.150 --> 00:25:45.020
  • WE GOT STARTED.
  • 00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:47.230
  • - I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT A SUBJECT
  • 00:25:47.250 --> 00:25:50.000
  • THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE
  • 00:25:50.020 --> 00:25:52.210
  • DAY OF OUR LIFE.
  • 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:56.190
  • IN FACT, MANY MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY.
  • 00:25:56.210 --> 00:25:58.160
  • AND I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ASKING YOU 2 OR 3
  • 00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:00.290
  • QUESTIONS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE HEALTHY FOR YOU
  • 00:26:01.010 --> 00:26:03.140
  • TO ASK YOURSELF AND TO TRY TO ANSWER VERY
  • 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.030
  • SERIOUSLY AND HONESTLY.
  • 00:26:05.050 --> 00:26:07.050
  • FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU FIND IT HARD TO
  • 00:26:07.070 --> 00:26:09.100
  • MAKE DECISIONS?
  • 00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:11.110
  • SECONDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OF FAILURE?
  • 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:14.270
  • AND THIRDLY, ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE OPINIONS
  • 00:26:14.290 --> 00:26:17.140
  • OF OTHERS? DECISION MAKING --
  • 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.020
  • - SO I'D JUST SIT THERE AND
  • 00:26:20.040 --> 00:26:22.060
  • PREACH TO THEM FOR 30 MINUTES, AND THEN WE GOT
  • 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:24.100
  • ON I THINK TED TURNER GOT HIS OWN STATION, AND SO
  • 00:26:24.120 --> 00:26:28.020
  • BEFORE LONG WE WERE ON 2.
  • 00:26:28.040 --> 00:26:32.170
  • AND THEN TRINITY CALLED US AND SAID WOULD YOU LET
  • 00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:38.190
  • US USE SOME OF YOUR VIDEOS.
  • 00:26:38.210 --> 00:26:41.120
  • I SAID, YOU CAN USE ALL OF THEM YOU WANT.
  • 00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:43.060
  • THEY DIDN'T EVEN CHARGE.
  • 00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:44.290
  • WE JUST HAD A DEAL.
  • 00:26:45.010 --> 00:26:46.290
  • YOU CAN USE ANYTHING WE HAVE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:26:47.010 --> 00:26:48.290
  • GOT US OUT THERE.
  • 00:26:49.010 --> 00:26:50.220
  • GOD JUST WORKED IT ALL OUT STEP BY STEP AND
  • 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.140
  • TIMING WAS PERFECT.
  • 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:54.110
  • - THAT'S AWESOME.
  • 00:26:54.130 --> 00:26:56.230
  • - LAURIE AND I WERE WITH JAMES ROBISON LONG
  • 00:26:56.250 --> 00:26:59.040
  • AGO AND ALL THE SUCCESS OF IN TOUCH MINISTRY HE
  • 00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:03.190
  • KIND OF TAKES CREDIT FOR.
  • 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.090
  • [ LAUGHTER ]
  • 00:27:05.110 --> 00:27:07.020
  • I'M KIDDING.
  • 00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:09.040
  • - HE'S LAUGHING THOUGH.
  • 00:27:09.060 --> 00:27:11.200
  • - THAT WAS THE BIGGEST LAUGH SO FAR.
  • 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:13.260
  • - WELL, I KNOW HIM.
  • 00:27:13.280 --> 00:27:15.030
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:15.050 --> 00:27:19.110
  • - LAURIE: LOVE YOU JAMES!
  • 00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:21.110
  • - MATT: BUT JAMES WAS TELLING US,
  • 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:24.010
  • AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE HAVE NO REASON TO
  • 00:27:24.030 --> 00:27:27.020
  • DOUBT IT, BUT WE BELIEVE IT WAS JAMES THAT CALLED
  • 00:27:27.040 --> 00:27:29.240
  • YOU TO HELP KIND OF GET YOU INTRODUCED TO THE TBN
  • 00:27:29.260 --> 00:27:33.160
  • NETWORK BECAUSE WE STARTED ON THE WEST
  • 00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.100
  • COAST, YOU WERE STARTING ON THE EAST COAST,
  • 00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:38.000
  • SO BACK IN THE EARLY 80'S WE BELIEVE IS WHEN
  • 00:27:38.020 --> 00:27:43.190
  • IN TOUCH MINISTRIES STARTED NATIONALLY ON TBN ON
  • 00:27:43.210 --> 00:27:47.200
  • SATELLITE AND INTERNATIONALLY AS IT
  • 00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:50.240
  • GREW, AND THE REST IS HISTORY.
  • 00:27:50.260 --> 00:27:55.090
  • - WHERE DID THE NAME IN TOUCH COME FROM?
  • 00:27:55.110 --> 00:27:57.190
  • - I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ME THAT BECAUSE ONCE WE
  • 00:27:57.210 --> 00:27:59.260
  • STARTED UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE A NAME,
  • 00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:02.090
  • SO I'M SITTING IN MY STUDY ONE DAY THINKING
  • 00:28:02.110 --> 00:28:06.100
  • ABOUT THAT, AND I GLANCED OVER TO THE LEFT BECAUSE
  • 00:28:06.120 --> 00:28:09.160
  • I HAD BOOKS ALL AROUND, AND THERE WAS THIS BOOK
  • 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.270
  • ABOUT SO TALL, ABOUT SO THICK,
  • 00:28:12.290 --> 00:28:16.000
  • AND IT WAS CREAM COLOR, BUT ON THE BINDER THERE
  • 00:28:16.020 --> 00:28:19.090
  • IT SAID IN TOUCH. I THOUGHT THAT'S A GOOD NAME,
  • 00:28:19.110 --> 00:28:23.030
  • SO I PICKED IT UP AND IT WAS AN AMPLIFIED VERSION
  • 00:28:23.050 --> 00:28:26.210
  • OF THE BIBLE. SO THAT'S HOW I GOT THE NAME.
  • 00:28:26.230 --> 00:28:30.060
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:31.250
  • - OKAY, WE WERE TALKING BACK IN ANOTHER ROOM
  • 00:28:31.270 --> 00:28:37.000
  • BEFORE THIS TAPING BEGAN,
  • 00:28:37.020 --> 00:28:41.170
  • AND YOU WERE BORN IN 1932, OKAY. SO YOUR PARENTS,
  • 00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:52.120
  • WAS THE DEPRESSION GOING ON AT THAT TIME?
  • 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:54.270
  • - YES, IT WAS.
  • 00:28:54.290 --> 00:28:57.020
  • MY FATHER DIED WHEN I WAS NINE MONTHS OF AGE,
  • 00:28:57.040 --> 00:28:59.160
  • SO IT'S JUST MY MOTHER AND I.
  • 00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:01.240
  • - SO YOU WERE BEING RAISED IN A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
  • 00:29:01.260 --> 00:29:06.140
  • BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO BE AWARE AND A YOUNG PERSON,
  • 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:12.100
  • WORLD WAR II WAS THEN HAPPENING.
  • 00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:15.080
  • SO BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO THE 50'S,
  • 00:29:15.100 --> 00:29:18.150
  • IT FELT LIKE AMERICA TOOK A COLLECTIVE DEEP BREATH.
  • 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:22.060
  • THERE WAS GREAT EXPANSION.
  • 00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:24.020
  • YOU WERE NOW A TEENAGER IN THE 50'S,
  • 00:29:24.040 --> 00:29:28.010
  • WHICH I GUESS IN SOME PEOPLE'S ESTIMATION WAS
  • 00:29:28.030 --> 00:29:31.260
  • THE GREATEST TIME TO BE A TEENAGER,
  • 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:35.040
  • AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE 50'S AND SO MUCH
  • 00:29:35.060 --> 00:29:37.270
  • GROWTH IN AMERICA-- ANYWAY.
  • 00:29:37.290 --> 00:29:41.230
  • SO FROM THAT TIME WHEN YOU'RE A YOUNG PERSON AND
  • 00:29:41.250 --> 00:29:48.230
  • LIVING LIFE IN AMERICA, WHERE WERE YOU AT THAT
  • 00:29:48.250 --> 00:29:51.280
  • TIME OF YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.120
  • GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE WERE YOU?
  • 00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:54.280
  • - IN THE 50'S, I WAS STILL IN COLLEGE AND SEMINARY.
  • 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:00.050
  • - MATT: WHAT STATE? WHERE WERE YOU?
  • 00:30:00.070 --> 00:30:02.260
  • - DR. STANLEY: I WENT TO SCHOOL IN RICHMOND,
  • 00:30:02.280 --> 00:30:04.130
  • UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND, THEN DALLAS FT. WORTH
  • 00:30:04.150 --> 00:30:07.030
  • AT THE BAPTIST SEMINARY THERE.
  • 00:30:07.050 --> 00:30:09.290
  • - GOT IT. SO YOU WERE GROWING UP IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
  • 00:30:10.010 --> 00:30:15.120
  • COMPARE THAT TIME TO TODAY,
  • 00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:20.140
  • AND IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S A,
  • 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:24.090
  • IT'S A DIFFERENT PLANET, NOT EVEN A DIFFERENT TIME OR--
  • 00:30:24.110 --> 00:30:28.120
  • A DIFFERENT PLANET.
  • 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.270
  • WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
  • 00:30:29.290 --> 00:30:31.220
  • - I THINK THE SECOND WORLD WAR AFFECTED ME AS
  • 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:35.010
  • A KID WITH THE IDEA OF COURAGE AND BRAVERY AND
  • 00:30:35.030 --> 00:30:40.080
  • THE DETERMINATION AND WILLING TO DIE FOR YOUR
  • 00:30:40.100 --> 00:30:43.080
  • COUNTRY. THERE WAS THIS AWESOME SENSE OF INNER PRIDE.
  • 00:30:43.100 --> 00:30:47.000
  • I THINK PART OF THAT WAS MOTIVATION TO ME WANTING
  • 00:30:47.020 --> 00:30:52.170
  • TO DO MY BEST AND BE MY BEST AND LOOK MY BEST,
  • 00:30:52.190 --> 00:30:55.270
  • AND SO THEY WERE GOOD YEARS.
  • 00:30:55.290 --> 00:31:00.080
  • AND I DELIVERED NEWSPAPERS TWICE A DAY
  • 00:31:00.100 --> 00:31:03.070
  • FOR FOUR YEARS, AND THERE WERE CHALLENGING TIMES.
  • 00:31:03.090 --> 00:31:07.250
  • THEN I WENT TO COLLEGE AND THEN SEMINARY
  • 00:31:07.270 --> 00:31:11.240
  • AND THEN THOSE YEARS AT THE END OF THE 50'S AND
  • 00:31:11.260 --> 00:31:15.280
  • EARLY 60'S WERE SORT OF GELLING YEARS FOR ME.
  • 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.130
  • WE'D COME A LONG WAYS AND THE COUNTRY WAS GROWING,
  • 00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:23.230
  • AND I LIKED WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
  • 00:31:23.250 --> 00:31:26.210
  • THEN WE HIT THE 60'S AND 70'S AND 80'S AND HERE WE
  • 00:31:26.230 --> 00:31:31.150
  • ARE. IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD. TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD.
  • 00:31:31.170 --> 00:31:34.200
  • IN FACT, I THINK IF I WERE A TEENAGER TODAY,
  • 00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:37.150
  • HOW COULD I SURVIVE WHAT THEY HAVE TO FACE?
  • 00:31:37.170 --> 00:31:41.240
  • THERE WAS NO TELEVISION WHEN I GREW UP,
  • 00:31:41.260 --> 00:31:43.290
  • AND SO IT'S TODAY IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD.
  • 00:31:44.010 --> 00:31:50.020
  • IT'S LIKE LIVING ON ANOTHER PLANET.
  • 00:31:50.040 --> 00:31:53.050
  • - THE INTERNET MEANS THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:57.190
  • CONSTANTLY AWARE OF ALL THEIR FRIENDS' OPINION
  • 00:31:57.210 --> 00:32:01.190
  • ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS
  • 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:03.250
  • DOING AT ALL TIMES.
  • 00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:06.000
  • EVEN WHEN WE GREW UP, WHEN WE WENT HOME,
  • 00:32:06.020 --> 00:32:09.100
  • THERE WAS ONE PHONE LINE IN THE HOUSE,
  • 00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:11.090
  • AND YOUR PARENTS REGULATED HOW OFTEN YOU
  • 00:32:11.110 --> 00:32:13.010
  • COULD EVEN BE ON THAT, SO YOU COULD ONLY KNOW ONE
  • 00:32:13.030 --> 00:32:15.270
  • OF YOUR FRIEND'S OPINION AT THE SAME TIME.
  • 00:32:15.290 --> 00:32:19.210
  • - WELL, THE WAY HE SAID IT WAS THAT WAS A QUIET
  • 00:32:19.230 --> 00:32:22.220
  • TIME, AND TODAY-- IT WAS QUIET AND NOW
  • 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.040
  • TODAY IS NOISY. IT'S LOUD.
  • 00:32:25.060 --> 00:32:27.090
  • - WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
  • 00:32:27.110 --> 00:32:28.220
  • - I THINK THAT I LOOK BACK IT WAS A SETTLED KIND OF
  • 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.000
  • TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAD ONE PHONE AND PEOPLE HAD
  • 00:32:32.020 --> 00:32:35.240
  • ONE AUTOMOBILE, AND THE FAMILIES WERE SORT OF
  • 00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:38.250
  • SMALL; NOT ALL OF THEM BUT SOME WERE.
  • 00:32:38.270 --> 00:32:41.210
  • AND THEN IT WAS SORT OF A GOOD KIND OF TIME TO GROW
  • 00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:46.140
  • UP IN. AND THEN STARTING IN THE 70'S,
  • 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.160
  • I THINK THINGS BEGAN TO REALLY CHANGE.
  • 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:55.220
  • - WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE
  • 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.240
  • PREACHED AS A YOUNG PREACHER,
  • 00:32:57.260 --> 00:33:00.260
  • WHEN WAS YOUR FIRST-- WHEN DID YOU PREACH YOUR
  • 00:33:00.280 --> 00:33:03.210
  • FIRST SERMON? WHAT ROUGHLY YEAR WAS THAT?
  • 00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:06.140
  • WAS THAT THE 60'S?
  • 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.170
  • - UM, NO, THAT WAS MY FIRST SERMON WAS IN
  • 00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:12.210
  • THE 50'S, EARLY 50'S.
  • 00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:15.010
  • - SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE
  • 00:33:15.030 --> 00:33:16.280
  • BEEN PREACHING ABOUT THEN AND WHAT YOU MIGHT PREACH
  • 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.040
  • THIS NEXT SUNDAY IN 2018, ARE THEY TOTALLY
  • 00:33:20.060 --> 00:33:23.230
  • DIFFERENT OR ARE THEY ODDLY SIMILAR?
  • 00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:28.240
  • - WELL, I WOULD SAY MORE DIFFERENT THAN I HAD
  • 00:33:28.260 --> 00:33:31.190
  • THOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE BACK IN THOSE DAYS,
  • 00:33:31.210 --> 00:33:34.010
  • IT WAS WINNING PEOPLE TO CHRIST,
  • 00:33:34.030 --> 00:33:35.180
  • GETTING PEOPLE SAVED, AND I THINK AS THE YEARS HAVE
  • 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.210
  • GONE BY, I'M MORE INTO I WANT TO GROW YOU UP,
  • 00:33:38.230 --> 00:33:42.030
  • AND I WANT YOU TO TRUST GOD,
  • 00:33:42.050 --> 00:33:43.170
  • AND I WANT YOU TO BE WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO BE,
  • 00:33:43.190 --> 00:33:45.100
  • AND DON'T GET DISCOURAGED.
  • 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:47.010
  • SO FOR ME, THE WORLD'S CHANGED MY WHOLE MESSAGE.
  • 00:33:47.030 --> 00:33:52.050
  • - WHEN DID YOU FEEL THAT CHANGE TO YOUR CURRENT MESSAGE?
  • 00:33:52.070 --> 00:33:58.210
  • - I WOULD SAY WHEN I CAME TO ATLANTA AND ALL
  • 00:33:58.230 --> 00:34:04.120
  • THE BATTLES I WENT THROUGH THAT WAS GOD.
  • 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:08.080
  • IN OTHER WORDS I WAS HAVING TO TRUST AND
  • 00:34:08.100 --> 00:34:11.240
  • LIVE OUT WHAT I'D BEEN PREACHING.
  • 00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:14.240
  • AND OF COURSE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND
  • 00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:18.130
  • CIRCUMSTANCES HELP YOU TO GROW UP,
  • 00:34:18.150 --> 00:34:20.190
  • AND I WOULD SAY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS
  • 00:34:20.210 --> 00:34:25.090
  • THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN.
  • 00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:27.060
  • I WANT TO GROW PEOPLE UP BECAUSE I SAW SO MANY
  • 00:34:27.080 --> 00:34:30.250
  • PEOPLE GET SAVED SUPPOSEDLY AND DRIFT
  • 00:34:30.270 --> 00:34:32.260
  • AWAY, AND I'D THINK WAIT A MINUTE,
  • 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:34.250
  • THIS IS NOT GOD'S PLAN.
  • 00:34:34.270 --> 00:34:37.070
  • SO 99 PERCENT OF THE TIME I'M SPEAKING TO
  • 00:34:37.090 --> 00:34:42.010
  • CHRISTIANS, BUT I'M ALSO SPEAKING TO UNBELIEVERS
  • 00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:44.240
  • BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO SEE WHAT IT CAN BE LIKE
  • 00:34:44.260 --> 00:34:46.290
  • IF YOU TRUST GOD AND WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE IF YOU
  • 00:34:47.010 --> 00:34:50.110
  • DON'T. BUT MY EMPHASIS IS TO GROW UP THE BELIEVERS.
  • 00:34:50.130 --> 00:34:54.050
  • AND WHEN GOD GIVES US A VERY CLEAR PICTURE OF
  • 00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:56.270
  • SOMETHING, HE WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE
  • 00:34:56.290 --> 00:35:00.040
  • WAY IT IS, NOT THE WAY YOU THINK IT IS,
  • 00:35:00.060 --> 00:35:01.260
  • THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.
  • 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.230
  • AND THIS YOUNG MAN'S LIFE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF
  • 00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:08.010
  • WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE LIVING TODAY.
  • 00:35:08.030 --> 00:35:11.140
  • THIS IS WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR ME,
  • 00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:13.180
  • HERE'S WHAT HE CAN DO FOR YOU.
  • 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:14.270
  • THAT'S ALL THEY HAD.
  • 00:35:14.290 --> 00:35:16.210
  • THEY HAD NO RADIO, NO TELEVISION, NO YOU TUBE,
  • 00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:23.240
  • NO COMMUNICATIONS LIKE WE HAVE, NO COMPUTER, NOTHING.
  • 00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:31.070
  • ALL THEY HAD WAS THE TESTIMONY OF THEIR HEART
  • 00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:35.210
  • AND THEIR SOUL WHAT JESUS HAD DONE FOR THEM.
  • 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:39.100
  • BUT HE'S A GOD OF AWESOME PROMISES,
  • 00:35:39.120 --> 00:35:41.190
  • AND ONE THING ABOUT IT, HE HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN A
  • 00:35:41.210 --> 00:35:44.280
  • SINGLE PROMISE, NOT ONE.
  • 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.000
  • - MATT CROUCH: DO YOU BELIEVE CHALLENGES IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:35:48.020 --> 00:35:51.080
  • THE TAKEAWAY CREATED THE YOU THAT YOU ARE NOW?
  • 00:35:51.100 --> 00:35:54.200
  • - ABSOLUTELY. - HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:35:54.220 --> 00:35:56.210
  • - WELL, I THINK WHEN YOU GO THROUGH TOUGH TIMES,
  • 00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:59.200
  • YOU EITHER DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
  • 00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:01.100
  • YOU YIELD OR YOU TRUST GOD.
  • 00:36:01.120 --> 00:36:04.010
  • AND I THINK, I LOOK BACK AND SEE MY FIRST CHURCH.
  • 00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:09.010
  • I'D BEEN THERE TWO WEEKS AND THE DEACONS HAD A
  • 00:36:09.030 --> 00:36:11.210
  • PRIVATE MEETING, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT I WAS
  • 00:36:11.230 --> 00:36:14.270
  • PREACHING TOO STRONG AFTER I'D BEEN THERE TWO
  • 00:36:14.290 --> 00:36:17.010
  • WEEKS. AND SO ONE OF THEM CAME AND TOLD ME ABOUT THIS
  • 00:36:17.030 --> 00:36:22.160
  • SECRET MEETING THEY HAD.
  • 00:36:22.180 --> 00:36:24.270
  • SO I WENT TO THE GUY WHO CALLED THE MEETING AND
  • 00:36:24.290 --> 00:36:27.090
  • CONFRONTED HIM AND I SAID NOW LOOK,
  • 00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:29.190
  • IF YOU'LL SHOW ME SOMETHING SCRIPTURALLY
  • 00:36:29.210 --> 00:36:32.180
  • I'VE SAID WRONG, I'LL LISTEN, BUT IF YOU CAN'T,
  • 00:36:32.200 --> 00:36:34.270
  • YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.
  • 00:36:34.290 --> 00:36:37.200
  • - DID YOU SAY BE QUIET OR DID YOU SAY SHUT UP?
  • 00:36:37.220 --> 00:36:39.260
  • - I SAID BE QUIET. HE WAS MUCH OLDER THAN I WAS.
  • 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.260
  • - JUST, I'M LEARNING.
  • 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.050
  • - LAURIE: NOT QUICK ENOUGH. [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:49.050
  • - WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST REVIVAL,
  • 00:36:49.070 --> 00:36:51.120
  • I REMEMBER THAT HE PERSONALLY MOWED THE
  • 00:36:51.140 --> 00:36:53.080
  • GRASS THE WEEK BEFORE. IT'S A SMALL CHURCH.
  • 00:36:53.100 --> 00:36:55.170
  • HE PUT $20 DOLLARS IN THE OFFERING PLATE EVERY TIME
  • 00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:57.290
  • IT CAME BY BECAUSE ONE OF HIS FRIENDS IT WAS
  • 00:36:58.010 --> 00:36:59.210
  • ONE OF MY FRIENDS.
  • 00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:01.140
  • AND SO I JUST, I WAS BLESSED IN THOSE EARLY
  • 00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:06.050
  • YEARS, AND I'VE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE AND
  • 00:37:06.070 --> 00:37:09.270
  • TROUBLE'S COME UP IN EVERY PLACE I'VE BEEN
  • 00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:12.260
  • BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T, THEY WANT YOU TO SAY
  • 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:18.100
  • SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD ON SUNDAY.
  • 00:37:18.120 --> 00:37:20.090
  • YOU CAN'T PREACH THE WORD OF GOD AND MAKE
  • 00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:22.050
  • EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD.
  • 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:24.030
  • SO I'VE HAD MY TRIALS BUT USUALLY THEY COME AROUND.
  • 00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:30.010
  • EITHER THEY LEAVE OR I LEAVE BUT I'VE NEVER
  • 00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:32.050
  • LEFT SO, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:34.230
  • - OKAY, OKAY, SO EVEN-- I'M A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER
  • 00:37:34.250 --> 00:37:39.220
  • THAN YOU ARE, BUT EVEN TODAY.
  • 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:41.240
  • - I THINK YOU'RE A WHOLE LOT YOUNGER THAN I AM.
  • 00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:44.010
  • - I SEE THINGS ON TELEVISION, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:46.250
  • AND I'VE GOT 20-SOME YEAR OLD SONS, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:51.290
  • AND I'VE LOOKED AT THEM A HUNDRED TIMES AND GO I
  • 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:53.250
  • CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST HEARD THAT ON TELEVISION.
  • 00:37:53.270 --> 00:37:56.120
  • IF I WAS YOUR AGE AND I HAD HEARD THAT,
  • 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:59.130
  • I WOULD HAVE JUST PROBABLY FAINTED
  • 00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:00.280
  • IN MY LIVING ROOM.
  • 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.110
  • SO WE'RE FACING STUFF THAT I DON'T BELIEVE
  • 00:38:02.130 --> 00:38:04.230
  • DR. STANLEY I NEVER DREAMED IN MY LIFETIME
  • 00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:07.210
  • THE BLATANT STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH,
  • 00:38:07.230 --> 00:38:13.110
  • AND IT'S REAL LIFE FOR MANY MANY PEOPLE.
  • 00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:15.220
  • AND THERE'S A, THERE'S TRUTH AND THEN THERE'S
  • 00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:20.040
  • LOVE, AND BALANCING THE TRUTH AND LOVE.
  • 00:38:20.060 --> 00:38:24.000
  • DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO THAT BECAUSE
  • 00:38:24.020 --> 00:38:27.100
  • YOU HEAR THAT TRUTH--
  • 00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:31.070
  • - WITHOUT LOVE IS MEAN; LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH IS
  • 00:38:31.090 --> 00:38:34.280
  • MEANINGLESS. THANK YOU CHRIS.
  • 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.160
  • - BUT THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. HOW DO YOU--
  • 00:38:37.180 --> 00:38:42.180
  • - HOW DO YOU PUT THOSE TWO THINGS ON A SCALE?
  • 00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:45.090
  • - WELL, I THINK IT'S THE SPIRIT IN WHICH YOU DO IT.
  • 00:38:45.110 --> 00:38:47.240
  • IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT TO BE HONEST AND
  • 00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:50.050
  • TRUTHFUL, AND YOU CAN SAY THAT IN A WAY THAT'S
  • 00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:54.070
  • ACCEPTABLE OR SOMETIMES IT'S REJECTED.
  • 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:56.220
  • BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR
  • 00:38:56.240 --> 00:38:59.070
  • GOD-GIVEN CONVICTIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE ACCEPTED
  • 00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:02.040
  • OR NOT. AND WHAT I'VE DISCOVERED IS IF YOU DO,
  • 00:39:02.060 --> 00:39:05.250
  • SOONER OR LATER THESE PEOPLE LEAVE YOUR LIFE
  • 00:39:05.270 --> 00:39:09.190
  • OR THEY JOIN YOU.
  • 00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:12.200
  • - SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP IN A
  • 00:39:12.220 --> 00:39:14.250
  • SENSE, THAT YOU CONTINUE TO-- WE'RE GOING BACK TO
  • 00:39:14.270 --> 00:39:18.080
  • THE THEME OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO
  • 00:39:18.100 --> 00:39:22.110
  • HIM, WHICH MEANS SOME PEOPLE MAY LEAVE YOU OR
  • 00:39:22.130 --> 00:39:25.110
  • THEY'RE GONNA JOIN YOU, BUT YOU'RE JUST GONNA
  • 00:39:25.130 --> 00:39:26.280
  • OBEY GOD. IS THAT--
  • 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.050
  • - BECAUSE IF YOU GET WISHY WASHY,
  • 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:31.100
  • YOU LOSE RESPECT, YOU LOSE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
  • 00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:34.040
  • IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE CONVINCED THAT SOMETHING
  • 00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:36.070
  • IS CORRECT AND IS BIBLICALLY TRUE,
  • 00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:38.220
  • AND IT'S WISE AND RIGHT, AND IN THIS DAY AND TIME
  • 00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:41.140
  • WHAT IS WISE AND RIGHT ISN'T ALWAYS IN PEOPLE'S MINDS,
  • 00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:45.080
  • ONCE YOU DECIDE THAT AND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT'S
  • 00:39:45.100 --> 00:39:49.160
  • WHERE YOU ARE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU STAND FOR,
  • 00:39:49.180 --> 00:39:52.020
  • THEY EITHER JOIN YOU OR THEY LEAVE.
  • 00:39:52.040 --> 00:39:54.150
  • AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID TO JESUS.
  • 00:39:54.170 --> 00:39:57.170
  • SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
  • 00:39:57.190 --> 00:40:00.200
  • AND IT'S A BIG SEPARATION GOING ON ON ONE HAND,
  • 00:40:00.220 --> 00:40:04.020
  • AND YET LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING SAVED
  • 00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:06.180
  • AND CHURCHES ARE GROWING AND SPRINGING UP
  • 00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:08.190
  • EVERYWHERE. SO I'M ENCOURAGED IN SPITE OF
  • 00:40:08.210 --> 00:40:11.080
  • WHAT I SEE GOING ON.
  • 00:40:11.100 --> 00:40:13.220
  • - LEGACY IS A WORD THAT SOMETIMES GETS THROWN
  • 00:40:13.240 --> 00:40:18.230
  • AROUND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AS MUCH BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:21.180
  • GRAY HAIR AS YOU HAVE.
  • 00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:23.200
  • I HOPE I HAVE THAT MUCH WHEN I'M YOUR AGE.
  • 00:40:23.220 --> 00:40:25.140
  • - YOU'RE DOING PRETTY WELL.
  • 00:40:25.160 --> 00:40:27.190
  • - MY DADDY HAD A LOT OF HAIR WHEN HE PASSED AWAY,
  • 00:40:27.210 --> 00:40:30.140
  • SO I'M JUST KIND OF HOLDING ONTO THAT.
  • 00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:33.060
  • ANYWAY, LEGACY IS A WORD THAT SHOULD COME UP WITH
  • 00:40:33.080 --> 00:40:38.000
  • SOMEONE OF YOUR AGE.
  • 00:40:38.020 --> 00:40:42.000
  • TALK TO US ABOUT LEGACY, MEANING WHAT DO YOU THINK
  • 00:40:42.020 --> 00:40:47.180
  • IT IS, AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO OUR
  • 00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:50.210
  • GENERATION AND BEYOND?
  • 00:40:50.230 --> 00:40:52.290
  • - WELL, I THINK YOUR LEGACY IS THE LIFE THAT
  • 00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:57.080
  • YOU'VE LIVED. IT CAN'T BE ONE PART OF IT
  • 00:40:57.100 --> 00:41:01.130
  • BUT THE LIFE THAT YOU LIVED.
  • 00:41:01.150 --> 00:41:03.210
  • AND SECONDLY, WHAT DO YOU LEAVE BEHIND THAT'S WORTH
  • 00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:08.160
  • SOMEBODY PICKING UP AND CARRYING ON?
  • 00:41:08.180 --> 00:41:10.290
  • WHAT DID YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO
  • 00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:15.080
  • BELIEVE? AND WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED?
  • 00:41:15.100 --> 00:41:18.050
  • HOW DID YOU ACCOMPLISH IT?
  • 00:41:18.070 --> 00:41:20.060
  • WAS IT BY TRUSTING GOD AND BEING OBEDIENT TO HIM?
  • 00:41:20.080 --> 00:41:23.110
  • WERE YOU CONSISTENT IN YOUR LIFE?
  • 00:41:23.130 --> 00:41:28.180
  • I THINK THE WHOLE LEGACY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU
  • 00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:32.080
  • BUILD, PUT A NAME ON; IT'S SOMETHING YOU LIVED.
  • 00:41:32.100 --> 00:41:36.200
  • WHATEVER YOU WANT TO LEAVE IN A LEGACY,
  • 00:41:36.220 --> 00:41:40.110
  • YOU WANT IT TO BE LEFT IN PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND IN
  • 00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:43.070
  • THEIR MINDS NOT IN STONE.
  • 00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:45.290
  • - YOU'VE JUST DONE THAT WITH YOUR GRANDFATHER.
  • 00:41:46.010 --> 00:41:48.120
  • I MEAN WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID ABOUT IF YOU RUN
  • 00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:51.060
  • INTO A WALL, GOD WILL MAKE A HOLE FOR YOU.
  • 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:53.210
  • I MEAN THAT WILL NEVER LEAVE ME.
  • 00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:55.260
  • MY KIDS ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE,
  • 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.070
  • I PRAY THAT YOU OBEY GOD AND LEAVE THE
  • 00:41:57.090 --> 00:42:01.190
  • CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:03.130
  • I WANT MY CHILDREN TO GRASP ONTO THAT AND TAKE
  • 00:42:03.150 --> 00:42:07.080
  • IT ON INTO THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN'S
  • 00:42:07.100 --> 00:42:09.270
  • CHILDREN. BUT I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW AND
  • 00:42:09.290 --> 00:42:13.050
  • I THINK FINISHING WELL IS SO IMPORTANT, AND I THINK
  • 00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:17.250
  • I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN RETIRING.
  • 00:42:17.270 --> 00:42:23.000
  • - WELL, THE BIBLE DOESN'T TEACH IT EXCEPT
  • 00:42:23.020 --> 00:42:25.110
  • FOR THE PRIEST AFTER 25 YEARS,
  • 00:42:25.130 --> 00:42:27.010
  • SO THE BIBLE DOESN'T TEACH IT.
  • 00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:28.290
  • I THINK YOU LIVE LONGER.
  • 00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:31.180
  • AND THIS SAYING I PICKED UP FROM SOMEWHERE AND
  • 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:34.000
  • IT'S REAL PRECIOUS TO ME.
  • 00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:37.050
  • YOU WILL BE HAPPY AND SUCCESSFUL AS LONG AS
  • 00:42:37.070 --> 00:42:42.140
  • YOU'RE STILL PLANNING FOR TOMORROW.
  • 00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:46.140
  • YOU GOT SOMETHING GOING FOR TOMORROW.
  • 00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:48.200
  • THIS IS WHY I'VE GOT A MONTH'S PHOTOGRAPHY TRIP
  • 00:42:48.220 --> 00:42:52.030
  • COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I'VE ALWAYS GOT
  • 00:42:52.050 --> 00:42:56.170
  • SOMETHING PLANNED, AND I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE
  • 00:42:56.190 --> 00:42:58.100
  • PLANNED AFTER THAT.
  • 00:42:58.120 --> 00:42:59.250
  • I FOUND SOME OTHER PLACE I WANT TO GO.
  • 00:42:59.270 --> 00:43:01.250
  • SO YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY DOING WHAT I DO.
  • 00:43:01.270 --> 00:43:04.000
  • I WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
  • 00:43:04.020 --> 00:43:05.150
  • - I LOVE IT.
  • 00:43:05.170 --> 00:43:07.100
  • - WHAT'S THE FAVORITE PICTURE YOU'VE EVER TAKEN?
  • 00:43:07.120 --> 00:43:10.140
  • - OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:12.200
  • - OR TRIP? LET'S SAY TRIP BECAUSE.
  • 00:43:12.220 --> 00:43:14.270
  • - I WOULD SAY ALASKA IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE VERY TOP.
  • 00:43:14.290 --> 00:43:21.180
  • AND I THINK ABOUT ALL THE PLACES I'VE BEEN, AND--
  • 00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:25.220
  • - MATT: AFRICA? THE ANIMALS?
  • 00:43:25.240 --> 00:43:27.150
  • I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF THOSE PHOTOS.
  • 00:43:27.170 --> 00:43:29.090
  • - LAURIE: DO YOU SHARE THAT ON YOUR TELEVISION PROGRAM
  • 00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:31.010
  • ABOUT YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY STUFF?
  • 00:43:31.030 --> 00:43:32.240
  • - MATT: WE'RE GOING TO ON THIS ONE.
  • 00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:34.010
  • SO AS WE'RE TALKING, THERE ARE PICTURES NOW ON
  • 00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:36.290
  • THE SCREEN. I CAN SEE THEM RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:43:37.010 --> 00:43:39.250
  • - DR. STANLEY: HERE'S WHAT I DO.
  • 00:43:39.270 --> 00:43:41.160
  • AFTER I'M GONE FOR USUALLY THREE WEEKS
  • 00:43:41.180 --> 00:43:43.240
  • SOMEWHERE, I COME BACK AND I WILL PUT ONE OF THE
  • 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.120
  • PHOTOS ON THE SCREEN.
  • 00:43:47.140 --> 00:43:49.160
  • WELL THE LAST ONE I PUT ON THE SCREEN WAS
  • 00:43:49.180 --> 00:43:51.220
  • THE MOON ECLIPSE.
  • 00:43:51.240 --> 00:43:55.170
  • SO I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY'LL LIKE THAT.
  • 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:58.230
  • AND THEY ALWAYS LIKE THE PHOTOS.
  • 00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:01.060
  • SO I HAVE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE PHASES
  • 00:44:01.080 --> 00:44:03.010
  • TO THE VERY END.
  • 00:44:03.030 --> 00:44:05.050
  • SO I FELT I'M NOT TOO SURE THEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT.
  • 00:44:05.070 --> 00:44:09.030
  • WE SOLD 400 AND SOME PHOTOS IN OUR BOOKSTORE.
  • 00:44:09.050 --> 00:44:11.140
  • - LAURIE: DID YOU REALLY?
  • 00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:13.020
  • - YEAH, SO THE BIRD SHOTS, BUILDINGS,
  • 00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:17.240
  • EVERYTHING, AND I JUST PUT THEM UP THERE AND
  • 00:44:17.260 --> 00:44:21.080
  • SHOW THEM, AND PEOPLE WILL SAY WE'RE GRATEFUL
  • 00:44:21.100 --> 00:44:24.010
  • BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO SOME OF
  • 00:44:24.030 --> 00:44:25.240
  • THOSE PLACES YOU'VE BEEN, SO WE'RE HAPPY JUST
  • 00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:27.280
  • SEEING WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.
  • 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.040
  • SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE AROUND HERE,
  • 00:44:30.060 --> 00:44:32.000
  • YOU KNOW THAT'S JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING,
  • 00:44:32.020 --> 00:44:34.000
  • THE TETONS. SO I LOVE SHOWING THEM.
  • 00:44:34.020 --> 00:44:38.280
  • THEY LOVE ME SHOWING THEM AND THEY BUY THEM.
  • 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.160
  • A LOT OF ARTISTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE BUY
  • 00:44:43.180 --> 00:44:46.280
  • AS MANY PHOTOS AS WE DO ON SUNDAY.
  • 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.000
  • - WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE CAMERA?
  • 00:44:49.020 --> 00:44:51.120
  • - WELL, MY FAVORITE CAMERA FOR A LONG
  • 00:44:51.140 --> 00:44:52.180
  • TIME WAS A HASSELBLAD.
  • 00:44:52.200 --> 00:44:54.070
  • AND NOW FUJI HAS COME UP WITH A NEW 15 MEGA PIXEL
  • 00:44:54.090 --> 00:44:59.090
  • CAMERA THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S MY FAVORITE.
  • 00:44:59.110 --> 00:45:02.030
  • AND LEICA. I'VE ALWAYS HAD LEICA.
  • 00:45:02.050 --> 00:45:05.000
  • SO I JUST GO FROM, I ALWAYS TAKE BLACK AND
  • 00:45:05.020 --> 00:45:08.090
  • WHITE, AND I ALWAYS TAKE COLOR BECAUSE SOMETIMES--
  • 00:45:08.110 --> 00:45:11.140
  • IF YOU WALKED IN THE FOYER, THERE'S A BIG
  • 00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:14.010
  • FOUR BY SIX PICTURE OF A COVERED BRIDGE.
  • 00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:19.030
  • WELL, I HAD MADE A LIST OF ALL THE COVERED
  • 00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:21.000
  • BRIDGES IN VERMONT, SO I WENT UP JUST TO SHOOT
  • 00:45:21.020 --> 00:45:23.240
  • COVERED BRIDGES.
  • 00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:26.140
  • AND WE WERE DRIVING ALONG AND I HAPPENED TO SEE THIS
  • 00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:28.270
  • ONE I DIDN'T HAVE, AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE BEST
  • 00:45:28.290 --> 00:45:33.110
  • ONE. IT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED.
  • 00:45:33.130 --> 00:45:36.150
  • AND I HAD TO WALK IN SNOW UP TO ABOUT
  • 00:45:36.170 --> 00:45:38.160
  • RIGHT HERE TO GET TO IT.
  • 00:45:38.180 --> 00:45:40.180
  • SO I'M THE MOST EXCITED BESIDES PREACHING WITH
  • 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:44.180
  • A CAMERA IN MY HAND.
  • 00:45:44.200 --> 00:45:46.080
  • IF I DIE SOMEWHERE, I WANT TO HAVE THE BIBLE
  • 00:45:46.100 --> 00:45:49.140
  • IN MY RIGHT HAND, THE CAMERA IN THE LEFT.
  • 00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:50.270
  • I'LL BE HAPPY.
  • 00:45:50.290 --> 00:45:52.190
  • - HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN A PICTURE OF A BLOOD MOON?
  • 00:45:52.210 --> 00:45:54.220
  • - YES. - DID IT TURN OUT GOOD?
  • 00:45:54.240 --> 00:45:57.100
  • - NOT AS GOOD AS I'D LIKED TO HAVE HAD.
  • 00:45:57.120 --> 00:45:59.240
  • - COULD YOU PHOTOSHOP IT AND MAKE IT BETTER?
  • 00:45:59.260 --> 00:46:02.060
  • - WELL, THEN THAT'S FUDGING.
  • 00:46:02.080 --> 00:46:04.100
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:46:04.120 --> 00:46:07.120
  • - NO FUDGE IN THE PHOTO.
  • 00:46:07.140 --> 00:46:08.220
  • - PHOTOSHOP IS FUDGING?
  • 00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:11.060
  • - NOT ALWAYS.
  • 00:46:11.080 --> 00:46:12.250
  • - I FEEL CONVICTION RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:46:12.270 --> 00:46:16.070
  • - NO, I USE PHOTOSHOP, BUT I WANT THINGS AS
  • 00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:20.100
  • REAL AS I CAN GET THEM.
  • 00:46:20.120 --> 00:46:22.190
  • - I LIKE JUST THINGS TO LOOK THE BEST, SO I,
  • 00:46:22.210 --> 00:46:25.150
  • I DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONVICTION WHEN IT COMES
  • 00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:27.280
  • TO PHOTOSHOP. I LIKE IT.
  • 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.250
  • OKAY, WHERE WILL YOU GET YOUR THEME FOR
  • 00:46:30.270 --> 00:46:35.050
  • THIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?
  • 00:46:35.070 --> 00:46:37.250
  • - I ALREADY HAVE IT.
  • 00:46:37.270 --> 00:46:39.170
  • - WHERE DID YOU GET THIS SUNDAY'S SERMON?
  • 00:46:39.190 --> 00:46:41.080
  • - WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT JUST THINGS THAT
  • 00:46:41.100 --> 00:46:44.020
  • PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH, SO I WAS READING IN
  • 00:46:44.040 --> 00:46:47.140
  • GALATIANS AND I THOUGHT LOVE, JOY AND PEACE.
  • 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:51.290
  • AND I HAD THREE MORE SUNDAYS TO PREACH.
  • 00:46:52.010 --> 00:46:55.090
  • I SAID I THINK THAT WOULD BE THREE GOOD CHOICES,
  • 00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:58.080
  • LOVE, JOY AND PEACE, SO PEACE IS COMING SUNDAY
  • 00:46:58.100 --> 00:47:01.230
  • AND I'M EXCITED.
  • 00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:05.040
  • - HOW OFTEN ARE YOU PREACHING?
  • 00:47:05.060 --> 00:47:07.280
  • - WELL, I'VE BEEN PREACHING EVERY SUNDAY
  • 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.100
  • TWICE SINCE JANUARY FIRST.
  • 00:47:09.120 --> 00:47:11.230
  • FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY.
  • 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:13.060
  • AND I'M HAPPY DOING IT EVERY WEEK.
  • 00:47:13.080 --> 00:47:15.010
  • I HAVE A WONDERFUL VERY EFFECTIVE ASSOCIATE
  • 00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:18.260
  • PASTOR, AND HE WAS PREACHING TWO TIMES AND
  • 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:21.270
  • ME FOUR FOR A WHILE, THEN HE SAID LOOK,
  • 00:47:21.290 --> 00:47:24.270
  • WHY DON'T YOU JUST PREACH UNTIL YOU LEAVE BECAUSE
  • 00:47:24.290 --> 00:47:27.210
  • HE PREACHES EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
  • 00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:29.220
  • I THOUGHT OKAY, I'LL DO THAT.
  • 00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:32.160
  • BUT I'VE BEEN PREACHING EVERY SUNDAY,
  • 00:47:32.180 --> 00:47:34.080
  • AND I'M HAPPY AS A LARK, AND I COULD KEEP GOING.
  • 00:47:34.100 --> 00:47:37.060
  • - SO THOSE TIMES THAT YOU GET AWAY,
  • 00:47:37.080 --> 00:47:39.060
  • IS THAT REAL IMPORTANT FOR YOU?
  • 00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:41.030
  • - VERY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:47:41.050 --> 00:47:42.090
  • IN OTHER WORDS, I'M HIGHLY MOTIVATED BECAUSE
  • 00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:45.180
  • I'VE GOT SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT'S
  • 00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:47.090
  • TOTALLY DIFFERENT. LEAVE TOWN, LEAVE EVERYTHING,
  • 00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:51.170
  • CARRY THE BIBLE WITH ME BUT THAT'S ALL.
  • 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:53.080
  • I DON'T THINK ABOUT CHURCH OR ANYTHING ELSE.
  • 00:47:53.100 --> 00:47:55.210
  • I JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN I CAPTURE
  • 00:47:55.230 --> 00:47:58.200
  • THAT SATISFIES ME AND I TRUST IT WILL
  • 00:47:58.220 --> 00:48:00.210
  • SATISFY SOMEBODY ELSE.
  • 00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:02.110
  • - BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:48:02.130 --> 00:48:03.190
  • - WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF TALKING ABOUT FIRST OF
  • 00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:06.280
  • ALL JUST THE LIFE, LEGACY AND ALL OF THAT WITH
  • 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.020
  • CHARLES STANLEY, AND THE THEME THAT WE KIND OF
  • 00:48:10.040 --> 00:48:14.260
  • FOUND WAS KIND OF A LIFE LESSON: OBEY GOD,
  • 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.040
  • LEAVE ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO HIM.
  • 00:48:19.060 --> 00:48:21.140
  • CONSEQUENCES. WHY DO I KEEP SAYING CIRCUMSTANCES?
  • 00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:24.150
  • I KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL.
  • 00:48:24.170 --> 00:48:28.060
  • - CIRCUMSTANCE IS ONE THING,
  • 00:48:28.080 --> 00:48:29.110
  • CONSEQUENCES PUTS A PUNCH TO IT.
  • 00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:31.210
  • WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCE IS GONNA BE.
  • 00:48:31.230 --> 00:48:34.050
  • - CIRCUMSTANCE AND CONSEQUENCE ARE SIMILAR,
  • 00:48:34.070 --> 00:48:36.020
  • BUT CONSEQUENCE IS BETTER.
  • 00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:38.230
  • OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:42.060
  • THAT IS YOUR LIFE IN A NUTSHELL KIND OF.
  • 00:48:42.080 --> 00:48:45.000
  • - YES.
  • 00:48:45.020 --> 00:48:46.230
  • - GIVE ME YOUR KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT.
  • 00:48:46.250 --> 00:48:50.080
  • IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DON'T YOU MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:48:50.100 --> 00:48:56.230
  • YOU DO KNOW THAT'S YOUR CAMERA RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:48:56.250 --> 00:48:58.170
  • YOU'VE DONE TV FOR A LITTLE BIT,
  • 00:48:58.190 --> 00:49:00.140
  • SO YOU KNOW YOUR CAMERA IS RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:03.020
  • BUT IF YOU WOULD, MAYBE EVEN KIND OF DIRECT THESE
  • 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:08.030
  • KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT,
  • 00:49:08.050 --> 00:49:10.050
  • EVEN TO THE VIEWING AUDIENCE THAT NEEDS TO
  • 00:49:10.070 --> 00:49:12.280
  • UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THAT IS,
  • 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.080
  • AND NOW THAT WE'VE COVERED SOME PRETTY
  • 00:49:15.100 --> 00:49:18.090
  • UNIQUELY DIFFICULT TIMES IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:22.120
  • GREAT TIMES AND DIFFICULT TIMES, YOU'RE
  • 00:49:22.140 --> 00:49:26.040
  • POSITIONED TO REALLY SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT.
  • 00:49:26.060 --> 00:49:30.170
  • OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
  • 00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:33.000
  • WOULD YOU DO THAT TO OUR AUDIENCE.
  • 00:49:33.020 --> 00:49:34.080
  • - LAURIE: THEN PRAY FOR THEM.
  • 00:49:34.100 --> 00:49:35.220
  • - MATT: I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO PRAY FOR FOLKS.
  • 00:49:35.240 --> 00:49:37.080
  • THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
  • 00:49:37.100 --> 00:49:38.170
  • - WELL, IF YOU OBEY GOD, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE
  • 00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:41.280
  • EASY, IN FACT SOMETIMES YOU THINK YOU JUST CAN'T
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.000
  • DO IT, BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
  • 00:49:45.020 --> 00:49:47.240
  • COURAGE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS
  • 00:49:47.260 --> 00:49:51.050
  • AND THAT HE'LL DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'LL DO.
  • 00:49:51.070 --> 00:49:53.200
  • AND I'VE LIVED LONG ENOUGH AND BEEN A
  • 00:49:53.220 --> 00:49:55.210
  • CHRISTIAN LONG ENOUGH AND A PASTOR LONG ENOUGH TO
  • 00:49:55.230 --> 00:49:57.210
  • KNOW THIS, YOU CAN LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES THAT
  • 00:49:57.230 --> 00:50:02.110
  • YOU FACE BEFORE GOD, AND HE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE
  • 00:50:02.130 --> 00:50:08.070
  • TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
  • 00:50:08.090 --> 00:50:10.040
  • AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH SITUATIONS AND
  • 00:50:10.060 --> 00:50:11.210
  • CIRCUMSTANCES IF SOMEBODY HAD TOLD ME I WAS GONNA
  • 00:50:11.230 --> 00:50:14.000
  • FACE THEM I'D SAY NO, BUT BY LEAVING ALL THE
  • 00:50:14.020 --> 00:50:17.240
  • CONSEQUENCES TO HIM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS,
  • 00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:20.110
  • YOU'RE SAYING GOD, I TRUST YOU.
  • 00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:22.190
  • I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE BIG ENOUGH.
  • 00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:24.040
  • I BELIEVE YOU'RE LOVING ENOUGH,
  • 00:50:24.060 --> 00:50:25.200
  • AND THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE CARE OF
  • 00:50:25.220 --> 00:50:28.170
  • WHATEVER HAPPENS AS A RESULT OF MY OBEDIENCE
  • 00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:31.190
  • TO WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME TO DO.
  • 00:50:31.210 --> 00:50:33.230
  • YOU HAVE TO BE SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST YOUR
  • 00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:35.250
  • OPINION OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO,
  • 00:50:35.270 --> 00:50:37.080
  • BUT HAS GOD TOLD YOU?
  • 00:50:37.100 --> 00:50:39.110
  • HAS GOD SPOKEN TO YOU?
  • 00:50:39.130 --> 00:50:40.200
  • SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS HOW WILL I KNOW?
  • 00:50:40.220 --> 00:50:43.210
  • LISTEN CAREFULLY. ANYBODY WHO IS A BELIEVER,
  • 00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:47.220
  • A FOLLOWER OF JESUS, WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH,
  • 00:50:47.240 --> 00:50:51.020
  • GOD WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH AND SHOW YOU WHAT
  • 00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:53.220
  • TO DO. NOW IF THAT BECOMES A HABIT IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:50:53.240 --> 00:50:57.020
  • IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME HE CHALLENGES
  • 00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:00.040
  • YOU TO LISTEN TO HIM AND OBEY HIM, YOU DO IT.
  • 00:51:00.060 --> 00:51:04.150
  • IF YOU FUDGE A LITTLE BIT AND SAY WELL NO.
  • 00:51:04.170 --> 00:51:07.200
  • WHATEVER HE TELLS YOU TO DO,
  • 00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:09.090
  • DO EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD YOU.
  • 00:51:09.110 --> 00:51:11.160
  • THEN THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU'VE OBEYED GOD WHO
  • 00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:14.130
  • CONTROLS EVERYTHING.
  • 00:51:14.150 --> 00:51:15.290
  • HE'S IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.
  • 00:51:16.010 --> 00:51:17.240
  • YOU HAVE OBEYED HIM, AND NOW YOU ARE TRUSTING HIM
  • 00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:20.240
  • TO BE THE GOD THAT HE SAYS HE IS IN THE WORD OF
  • 00:51:20.260 --> 00:51:24.200
  • GOD, WHICH YOU AND I READ AND BELIEVE.
  • 00:51:24.220 --> 00:51:26.290
  • IF YOU WILL BEGIN PURPOSELY OBEYING GOD IN
  • 00:51:27.010 --> 00:51:31.280
  • A DIFFICULT TIME IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.250
  • HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DISCOVER.
  • 00:51:33.270 --> 00:51:35.090
  • YOU'RE GONNA DISCOVER THIS IS THE WAY TO LIVE.
  • 00:51:35.110 --> 00:51:38.260
  • YOU MAY GET DISAPPOINTED BUT IT WON'T BE BECAUSE
  • 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.260
  • HE DIDN'T KEEP HIS WORD.
  • 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.010
  • GOD WILL KEEP HIS WORD IF YOU WILL OBEY HIM.
  • 00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:47.170
  • I DON'T THINK I'VE CHANGED ANY MAJOR
  • 00:51:47.190 --> 00:51:50.010
  • DECISION IN MY LIFE SINCE I LEARNED THAT TRUTH.
  • 00:51:50.030 --> 00:51:52.220
  • I CAN'T THINK THAT I WOULD.
  • 00:51:52.240 --> 00:51:54.080
  • I CAN'T NAME ONE THAT I WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE GOD
  • 00:51:54.100 --> 00:51:58.170
  • IS FAITHFUL, AND GOD IS TRUE TO HIS WORD.
  • 00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:02.150
  • TRUST HIM.
  • 00:52:02.170 --> 00:52:03.230
  • TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART.
  • 00:52:03.250 --> 00:52:05.210
  • LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:07.250
  • IN ALL YOUR WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM,
  • 00:52:07.270 --> 00:52:09.280
  • AND HE WILL DIRECT YOUR PATH.
  • 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.210
  • YOU CAN'T EVER GO WRONG TRUSTING GOD,
  • 00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:17.040
  • AND THAT'S MY PRAYER FOR YOU.
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  • SO LET'S PRAY.
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  • FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE,
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  • AWESOME, WONDERFUL, ENCOURAGING FATHER.
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  • I PRAY THAT EVERY PERSON WHO HAS WATCHED THIS
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  • INTERVIEW, IF THEY TAKE AWAY NOTHING,
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  • LET THEM TAKE AWAY THAT SIMPLE TRUTH.
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  • YOU'RE A TRUSTWORTHY GOD, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT,
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  • OMNIPRESENT, AWESOME, LOVING, HEAVENLY FATHER.
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  • YOU CAN BE TRUSTED IN EVERY SINGLE CIRCUMSTANCE.
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  • MAY THAT TRUTH SINK DEEP IN THEIR HEARTS TO
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  • RECOGNIZE THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO LIVE THAN
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  • TO LIVE TRUSTING YOU AND BELIEVING THAT YOU
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  • ALWAYS KEEP YOUR WORD, IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN.
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  • - AMEN. AMEN. WOW.
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  • WOW, WOW, WOW.
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  • OBEY GOD, LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM.
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  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY, FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU.
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  • THIS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
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  • OUR AUDIENCE LOVES YOU.
  • 00:53:16.270 --> 00:53:19.000
  • - LAURIE: WE LOVE YOU.
  • 00:53:19.020 --> 00:53:20.140
  • - MATT: WE JUST-- AMAZING THING.
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  • WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAY ABOUT YOU
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  • AFTER YOU'RE GONE?
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  • NOT TO YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY TRIP,
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  • AFTER YOU'RE IN HEAVEN.
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  • - LET ME GET OVER THIS.
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  • I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT NECESSARILY.
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  • I'D WANT THEM TO SAY HE BELIEVED THE MOST
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  • IMPORTANT TRUTH IN HIS LIFE WAS OBEY GOD AND
  • 00:53:50.150 --> 00:53:53.040
  • LEAVE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM,
  • 00:53:53.060 --> 00:53:55.030
  • AND IT APPEARS FROM WHAT WE SEE AND HEARD
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  • THAT'S THE WAY HE LIVED.
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  • I'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE THAT WAY.
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  • - THANK YOU.
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  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE BYE.
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