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Praise | Dr. Rick Rigsby | July 16, 2020

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July 16, 2020

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Matt and Laurie Crouch host Dr. Rick Rigsby from Dallas; TX.

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Praise | Dr. Rick Rigsby | July 16, 2020

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- ANNOUNCER: TONIGHTON PRAISE FROM DALLAS,
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INTERNATIONAL SPEAKER,VIRAL SENSATION, AND
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FORMER AWARD WINNINGJOURNALIST RICK RIGSBY.
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♪♪♪
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AND NOW MATT ANDLAURIE CROUCH.
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- MATT CROUCH: TODAY,THURSDAY, JULY 16, 2020.
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WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGHTHE YEAR, RICK.
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- DR. RIGSBY: AMAZING. AMAZING.
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- ALL RIGHT.
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DOCTOR RICK RIGSBY IS AFRIEND, AND I HAVE BEEN
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RIGSBIED ALLMORNING TODAY.
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- LAURIE CROUCHI LOVE IT.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- I HAVE WATCHEDALL OF YOUR YOU TUBE VIDEOS.
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I HAVE SEEN --- AND WE'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE.
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- WE JUST GOT RIGSBIEDALL MORNING AND WE'RE IN
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A REALLY GOOD MOODBECAUSE OF THAT.
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[LAUGHTER] WE'REHERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
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WELCOME TO PRAISE.
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TODAY IS GOING TOBE INSPIRATIONAL.
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TODAY -- IN SPITE OFWHATEVER IS GOING ON IN
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THE NEWS.
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WHATEVER IS HAPPENING ONTHE NEWS CHANNEL
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OVER THERE --- DOESN'T MATTER.
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- AND IT COULD BE ATOUGH SITUATION GOING ON,
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ALL I KNOW IS I'M SITTINGWITH RICK RIGSBY, AND THE
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WORLD IS RIGHT.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- OKAY.
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SO RICK, FIRST OF ALL, I'DLIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY
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THAT YOU DID THIS ONELITTLE SPEECH ABOUT YOUR
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FATHER, ABOUT THEPRINCIPLES OF YOUR
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FATHER, THIRDGRADE DROP OUT
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THAT NOW HAS BEEN SEENHUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
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TIMES AROUND THE WORLD.
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THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FORME GETTING TO KNOW YOU.
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I PICKED UP MY PHONE,CALLED YOUR OFFICE, GOT
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YOUR SECRETARY AND SAID IWOULD LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY
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TO INTERVIEW RICK RIGSBY.
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OKAY.
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THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
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WELCOME BACK AND I WANTTO JUST START WITH WHAT
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DO YOU FEEL ON YOUR HEARTTO SAY IN THIS VERY
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UNIQUE SEASON THAT WEFIND OURSELVES IN HERE IN
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JULY 2020?
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- FIRST OF ALL, MATTAND LAURIE I LOVE EVERY
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OPPORTUNITY THATI'M WITH YOU BOTH.
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- THANK YOU.
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- THANK YOU FORHAVING ME BACK.
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I REALLY APPRECIATE IT,AND WHEN YOU CALLED OUR
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OFFICE WE THOUGHT ITWAS A PRACTICAL JOKE.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- WE COULDN'T BELIEVEMATT WAS CALLING OUR OFFICE.
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- I WAS ON IT, SO --- TO YOUR QUESTION, THIS IS
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A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FORTHE CHURCH TO BE THE CHURCH.
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- YES.
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- THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.
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THE CHURCH SITS ON THEFRONT PORCH OF THIS
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WORLD, AND PEOPLE WHOWOULD NOT NORMALLY LISTEN
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ARE LISTENING TOEVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE
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TO SAY, AND THEY'REWATCHING EVERYTHING WE DO.
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LET'S DON'T MISSTHIS OPPORTUNITY.
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RALPH WALDO EMERSONSAID AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED
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IS AN OPPORTUNITY LOST.
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THIS IS A GREATOPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THEM
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NEWS THAT IS COUNTERCULTURAL MEANING NEWS OF
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INCLUSION, NEWS OFCOMING TOGETHER, NEWS OF
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TREMENDOUS UNITY.
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MOST OF ALL, NEWS THATSIGNIFIES THAT WE ARE TO
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LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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THIS IS A GREATOPPORTUNITY.
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YOU KNOW, I BELIEVETHAT IT'S IN TIMES OF
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UNCERTAINTY THAT WE CANSHINE THE BRIGHTEST FOR
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CHRIST BECAUSE IN TIMESOF CERTAINTY THERE'S A
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CERTAIN COMFORTABLENESS.
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THERE'S A REDUNDANCYTHAT POINTS TO
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PREDICTABLE RESULTS.
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AND THANK GOD FOR THAT.
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WE WANT SOME REDUNDANCY.
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WE WANT OUR AIRLINE PILOTSTO PRACTICE REDUNDANCY.
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- YES, WE DO.
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- HOWEVER IN UNEVENTIMES, WHEN THE TERRAIN
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IS UNEVEN, WHEN THE SLOPEIS SLIPPERY, WHEN WE'RE
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NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THENEXT STEP IS, WHEN WE'RE
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IN THE MIDDLE OF A GLOBALPANDEMIC AND RACIAL
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STRIFE ALL OVER THE WORLDTHOSE ARE TIMES I BELIEVE
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THAT IF WE ARE COURAGEOUSENOUGH TO FOLLOW THE
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TEACHINGS OF JESUS, WECAN REALLY SHINE FOR HIM.
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- OKAY.
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FIRST OF ALL, I JUSTREALLY LOVE YOU.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- I LOVE YOU,BROTHER MAN.
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- I JUST ENJOY THIS.
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I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONEHAS THE SAME SENSE THAT I
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DO, BUT RICK, JUST LOVEYOU AND ENJOYING THE TIME
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JUST SITTINGHERE WITH YOU. OKAY.
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WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THECAMERAS ON BACK IN THE
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GREEN ROOM BECAUSE WE'VEALREADY DONE A TV SHOW
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BACK IN THE GREEN ROOM.
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[LAUGHTER] WE'RE LATETO THE STUDIO BECAUSE
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WE'VE BEEN SITTINGBACK THERE CONDUCTING
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INTERVIEW NUMBER 1 BACKTHERE, BUT WE WERE
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TALKING ABOUT ELK ANDDEER AND COLORADO, AND WE
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WERE TALKING ABOUT COWBOYBOOTS AND RANCHES AND ALL.
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OKAY. SO YOU MADE A UNIQUESTATEMENT BACK THAT THE
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PROTESTS ARE THELANGUAGE OF THE UNHEARD.
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- YES. YEAH.
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- MARTIN LUTHER KING.
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- SO EXPOUND ONTHAT A LITTLE BIT.
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GIVE US SOME CONTEXT TO --- THE RIOTS.
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- WHAT YOU WERESAYING BACK THERE.
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- ABSOLUTELY.
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LAURIE, YOU'REABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
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THAT'S A QUOTE FROMMARTIN LUTHER KING SOME
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60 YEARS AGO.
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MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIORAS WE ALL KNOW WAS AN
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ADVOCATE OF NONE VIOLENTCIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.
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HE WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOROF LOOTING AND RIOTING
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AND TEARINGDOWN PROPERTY.
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AND SO WHEN I REREAD THISQUOTE ABOUT A MONTH AGO,
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IT STRUCK ME.
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EVEN THOUGH HE WOULD NOTBE IN FAVOR OF IT, HE
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BEGGED THE QUESTION WHYWITH ONE SIMPLE STATEMENT.
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HE SAID THAT RIOTING IS THELANGUAGE OF THE UNHEARD.
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THE PRESUPPOSITIONIS ARE WE LISTENING?
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I WAS READING MARK 4EARLIER THIS MORNING.
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PROBABLY FIVE, SIX, SEVENTIMES, JESUS SAID LISTEN
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TO ME HE WHO HAS EARS.
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AND HE WASN'T TALKINGPHYSICAL EARS.
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HE WHO HAS EARS,LET HIM HEAR.
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SO IT'S EASY TO POINTFINGERS, ISN'T IT?
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I EVEN FOUND MYSELFPOINTING FINGERS.
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IT'S EASY TO POINTFINGERS AND SAY, WHAT ARE
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THEY DOING?
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AND HERE YOU HAVE ACIVIL RIGHTS LEADER, AN
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ADVOCATE FOR PEACE IS,THE DEBUTANTE OF PEACE
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SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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THERE'S A LANGUAGE HERETHAT WE SHOULDN'T IGNORE.
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AND I THINK THAT'S AVERY POWERFUL STATEMENT.
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IT'S NOT A CONTRADICTION.
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IT'S A VERY POWERFULSTATEMENT THAT SAYS HE
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WHO HAS EARS LET HIM HEARWHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE
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LORD IS SAYING.
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NOW, MAKE NOMISTAKE ABOUT IT.
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I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESPIRIT OF THE LORD IS
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SAYING RIOTING.
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ALL EVIDENCE TOTHE CONTRARY.
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BUT WHAT THE SPIRIT OFTHE LORD MAY BE SAYING IS
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THIS, ARE WE A LITTLE BITTOO QUICK TO SPEAK AND A
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LITTLE TOOSLOW TO LISTEN?
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- WELL, MAKE SURE, RICK,THAT WHILE YOU'RE SITTING
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ON THIS SET TALKING TOOUR AUDIENCE AND POINTING
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PEOPLE ULTIMATELY TOJESUS, THE SOLUTION, THAT
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YOU HELP LAURIE AND I.
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YOU HAVE ACCESS TO US.
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WE'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE.
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WE ARE AT SOCIAL DISTANCELENGTH, BUT BASICALLY
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WE'RE SITTING HERE,SO DON'T LET THIS
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OPPORTUNITY AS YOU HAVEUS, WE NEED TO HEAR.
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AND WE JUST KNOW THATYOUR HEART IS FOR JESUS.
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- AMEN.
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- AS FIRST AND FOREMOST.
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SO SOMETIMES IT'S EASIERTO LISTEN TO A PERSON
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CALM, SITTING IN A CHAIR,THAN ONE THAT HAS A LASSO
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TIED AROUND A STATUEAND IS PULLING IT OVER.
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- SURE.
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- IT'S JUST EASIERFOR US TO LISTEN.
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WE'RE SITTINGRIGHT HERE NOW.
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- IT'S EASIER TO LISTENTO FRIENDS TALKING.
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- RIGHT.
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- YOU KNOW, WE WERETALKING IN THE BACK THAT
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I THINK THAT'S SOCRITICAL IN THIS TIME IS
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THAT WE GET AROUNDFRIENDS AND HAVE
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CONVERSATIONS LIKE THISBECAUSE THE HEALING
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STARTS HERE AND AS LONGAS WE'RE ALL GOOD, THEN
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THAT JUST BLEEDS OUTINTO OUR COMMUNITIES.
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- THAT'S RIGHT.
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- OUR FAMILIESAND OUR CHURCHES.
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- THAT'S RIGHT.
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YOU KNOW, YOUBOTH ARE SO RIGHT.
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I WAS SO PRIVILEGED TOTEACH AT TEXAS
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A AND M UNIVERSITY.
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AND I HAD A MULTIPLE FOCIAS A GRADUATE STUDENT,
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AND ONE FOCUS WAS ONPROTEST MOVEMENTS OF THE
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20TH CENTURY, AND ITAUGHT A CLASS CALLED THE
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AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTSMOVEMENT, THE RHETORIC OF
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CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
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AND I WOULD SHARE WITH MYSTUDENTS THAT THE CIVIL
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RIGHTS MOVEMENT DID NOTBEGIN WITH ROSA PARKS IN
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1955 ON DECEMBER 1.
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THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTSMOVEMENT IN THE UNITED
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STATES BEGAN IN 1619 WHENYOU HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE
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FORCED TO COME TO ACOUNTRY THAT THEY DID NOT
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WANT TO COME TO, THENBRED TO HATE EACH OTHER,
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THE HOUSE NEGRO VERSUSTHE FIELD NEGRO,
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CONSIDERED PROPERTY.
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I'M TALKING MY GREATGRANDPARENTS, AND SO WHEN
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YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, YOUCANNOT ISOLATE JUST THE
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SOUTH WHEN IT COMESTO THAT KIND
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OF CONTAMINATION.
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THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE,BROWN, WHITE, BLACK IN
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SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.
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SO I REALLY BELIEVE AS WEWERE TALKING EARLIER
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THAT WE ARE STILLEXPERIENCING THE VESTIGES
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OF COLONIALISM.
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IN COLONIALISTIC TIMESWHITES WOULD TALK TO
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OTHER WHITES ABOUT THEROLE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR.
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MEN WOULD TALK TO OTHERMEN ABOUT THE ROLE OF WOMEN.
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WHY DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHTTO VOTE AND THEN HAVE TO
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HAVE A SUFFRAGEMOVEMENT ON THE PART
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OF WOMEN?
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WHY DO YOU HAVE THEEMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION
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AND THE 14TH AMENDMENTAND THEN STILL HAVE TO
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HAVE A CIVILRIGHTS MOVEMENT?
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I THINK ED SHUTTLESWORTHSAID IT BEST, THE CIVIL
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RIGHTS DEBUTANTE THAT WASA LIEUTENANT WITH
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MARTIN KING,
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HE SAID RATTLESNAKESDON'T COMMIT SUICIDE.
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BATH BALL TEAMS DON'TSTRIKE THEMSELVES OUT.
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AND THIS IS THE WAY ITAUGHT IT AT TEXAS A AND
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M, A SECULAR UNIVERSITY,UNLESS THE HEART IS
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CHANGED DON'T EXPECT THESTREETS TO BE CHANGED.
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UNLESS IS CHANGED, DON'TEXPECT THE HALLS OF THE
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LEGISLATURETO BE CHANGED.
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UNLESS THE HEART ISCHANGED, DON'T EXPECT THE
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SYSTEMS OF THE WORLD TOBE CHANGED, AND I THINK
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THE THING THAT GIVES MEHOPE IS THAT THE REVIVAL
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DOESN'T START WITH MATTAND LAURIE AS FAR AS
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I'M CONCERNED.
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THE REVIVAL DOESN'T STARTWITH TEARING DOWN A
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STATUE OR HATE LANGUAGEBETWEEN CONSERVATIVES
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AND LIBERALS.
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THE REVIVALSTARTS RIGHT HERE.
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IT WAS ARI TORREYPREACHING A REVIVAL THAT
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SAID IF YOU REALLY WANTTO START A
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REVIVAL, GO HOME.
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DRAW A CIRCLE AROUNDYOURSELF, AND BEGIN THE
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REVIVAL WITH THEPERSON IN THE CIRCLE.
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I'LL TELL YOU, EVERYSINCE THE GEORGE FLOYD
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DEATH WHICH WAS HORRIFIC,NO HUMAN SHOULD DIE LIKE
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THAT, BUT IF YOU CAN GETBEYOND THE EMOTION FOR A
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MOMENT, EVERY SINCE THATDEATH EVERY DAY I'VE BEEN
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SAYING OH, WRETCHED MANTHAT I AM, WHO WILL
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DELIVER ME FROMTHAT BODY OF DEATH?
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IN OTHER WORDS, MATTAND LAURIE, IS THERE
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PREJUDICE IN ME?
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IS THERE SIN IN ME?
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AND THE REASON WHY I TALKTHIS WAY IS BECAUSE EVEN
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WITH MY BIBLIO CENTRICPOINT OF VIEW, EVEN WITH
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MY VARIOUS POINT OFVIEWS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
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ABLE TO OVERRIDE THERACISM IN OUR COUNTRY.
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SO I HAVE TO POINTTO A BETTER DAY.
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MARTIN KING REFERREDTO IT AS THE
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BELOVED COMMUNITY.
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I HAVE TO BELIEVEIN A BETTER WAY.
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THAT'S WHY MY HOPE IS INTHE REVELATION FOUND IN
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JESUS CHRIST.
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THAT IS THE ONLY ONETHAT CAN HEAL US.
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THIS ISN'T, PLEASE HEARMY HEART, THIS ISN'T A
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POLICE ISSUE.
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THIS ISN'T APROTEST ISSUE.
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THIS ISN'T A BLACK,BROWN, OR WHITE ISSUE.
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THIS IS A HUMAN ISSUE, ASIN AGAINST ALMIGHTY GOD
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THAT WE HAVE NEVER REALLYADDRESSED AND HAS BEEN
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ALLOWED TO FESTEROVER THE YEARS.
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THAT'S WHAT WE'REEXPERIENCING IN 2020.
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- MY GOODNESS.
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- YOU KNOW, I WAS JUSTSITTING HERE THINKING THE
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WHOLE CORONA VIRUS THING,THE WHOLE ISOLATION
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THING, WE TALK ABOUTWE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER,
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AMERICA TOGETHER, BUT ITHAS BEEN A VERY PERSONAL
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THING TO EACH PERSON.
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SO IN A SENSE I THINK GODIS TRYING TO DEAL WITH
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EVERY PERSON INDIVIDUALLYIN THIS, BUT -- YOU KNOW
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WHAT I'M SAYING?- I DO.
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- IT'S BEEN A VERYPERSONAL TIME.
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- YOU BET.
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- FOR ALL OF US.
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NO MATTER HOW CLOSE WEARE, NO MATTER US GETTING
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TOGETHER ANDBEING TOGETHER.
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THE CORONA VIRUS, YOU CANBE IN THE HOSPITAL AND
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NEVER BE SEEN BYYOUR FAMILY AGAIN.
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- LAURIE, YOU'REONTO SOMETHING.
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- YEAH.
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- THIS IS MY OPINION.
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I THINK WE'VEBECOME TOO WHITE.
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WE'VE BECOME TOO BLACK.
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WE'VE BECOME TOO LIBERALAND WE'VE BECOME
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TOO CONSERVATIVE.
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IF WE GET TO HEAVEN GODIS NOT GOING TO ASK ME IF
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I WAS A CONSERVATIVEOR A LIBERAL.
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- RIGHT.
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- HE WAS GOING TO ASK MEIF I FED HIS SHEEP, IF I
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LOVED MY BROTHERAS MYSELF.
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AND IN ORDER FOR US TOREALLY COMPLETELY EXHAUST
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WHAT THAT MEANS IN OURLIMITED CAPACITY WE HAVE
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TO STAY ON OUR KNEES.
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THE REVIVAL HAS TO BEGINWITH EACH AND EVERY ONE
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OF US ASKING OURSELVES,WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?
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NEHEMIAH ON THE WALL, THESINS OF HIS NATION HE
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PLACED UPON -I HAVE SOMANY PRECIOUS FRIENDS
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THAT MEAN WELL, AND THEYWILL SAY RICK, I DON'T
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FEEL A NEED TO ASKFORGIVENESS FOR SOMETHING
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I WASN'T INVOLVED IN.
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IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OFTHE HUMAN RACE, YOU'RE
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INVOLVED WHETHERYOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
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AND INVOLVED IN A SYSTEMTHAT HAS SPECIFICALLY
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BEEN UNKIND TO ITSPEOPLE OF COLOR.
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AND I THINK IT'SSOMETHING THAT JUST
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CAUSES THE HEART OFGOD TO JUST BREAK.
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AND SO HERE'STHE GOOD NEWS.
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WE'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER.
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WHO SAID THIS?
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WAS IT MARTIN KING WHOSAID WE MAY HAVE COME ON
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DIFFERENT BOATS BUTWE'RE IN ONE BOAT NOW.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- THAT'S RIGHT.
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- DON'T YOU LOVE THAT?
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- I LOVE THAT.
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- WE'RE INTHE SAME BOAT.
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WHAT IS IT GOING TOTAKE FOR US TO LOVE
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ONE ANOTHER?
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WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICEOF WHAT COLOR WE WERE OR
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WHAT SEX WE WERE.
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WE'RE GOD'S CHILDREN.
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WE'RE A JOINT PRIESTHOOD.
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THE PROBLEM IS WEHAVEN'T ACTED LIKE IT.
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- YEAH.
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RICK, EVERYTHING THAT YOUSAY IN RESPONSE TO VERY
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DIFFICULT SITUATIONS,RIOTING AND RACIAL
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TENSION AND PANDEMICAND CONSERVATIVES AND
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LIBERAL, ALL THOSE AREREALLY BIG UGLY ISSUES.
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- SURE.
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- EVERYTHING THAT YOUSAY HAS THIS --
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- GRACE.
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- POINTING.
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YOU'RE POINTING USULTIMATELY TOWARDS THE
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REAL ANSWERWHICH IS JESUS.
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- YEAH.
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- AND A CHANGEOF THE HEART.
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- YEAH.
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- YOU MENTIONED EARLIER,I'LL LET YOU TELL THE
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STORY ON YOURSELF, BUTIF I SAY THE WORD SMALL
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AIRPLANE AND TURBULENCEWHAT DOES THAT MEAN
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TO YOU?
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- OH, MATTHEW.
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- WE WERETALKING FAMILY.
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- BUT YOU KNOW,YOU'RE RIGHT.
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AND MAYBE THISWILL HELP SOMEBODY.
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I THINK THERE'SPREJUDICE IN ALL OF US.
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HOW COULD THERENOT BE, RIGHT?
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SO THIS LAST THREE MONTHSTO GET BACK TO LAURIE'S
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POINT HAS REALLY FORCEDON INTROSPECTION, A
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SELF-WILLEDINTROSPECTION, AND IT'S
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CAUSED ME TO REALIZE MYDESPERATE NEED TO BE
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CLEANSED DAILY.
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YOU KNOW, ISN'T IT -- BEFOREI ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
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ISN'T IT INTERESTING --- I THOUGHT YOU WERE
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AVOIDING IT.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- NO, I'MGONNA GET TO IT.
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[LAUGHTER] YOU REMEMBERIN MATTHEW, JESUS SAYS
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ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COMEAFTER ME, REMEMBER, MUST
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DENY HIMSELF, TAKE UP HISCROSS, AND FOLLOW
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ME, RIGHT.
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LUKE SAYS THE WORD DAILY.
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TAKE UP HIS CROSS DAILY.
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SO IT MEANS ADAILY CLEANSING.
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I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WETHINK THAT FOLLOW ME LINE
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WAS JUST WHENWE GOT SAVED.
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THAT'S DAILY DYING.
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SO TO YOUR POINT IT WASABOUT 20 YEARS AGO I'M
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FEELING LIKE I'M PRETTY-- I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT
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OF PREJUDICE IN ME, DON'THAVE A WHOLE LOT OF -- YOU
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KNOW HOW YOU CAN FEELPRETTY GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF?
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IT'S A STORM.
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IT'S A COMMUTER FLIGHT.
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STORM AND COMMUTER FLIGHTSHOULD NEVER BE IN THE
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SAME SENTENCE.
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- EXACTLY.
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- SPECIALLY IF YOU'REGETTING ON THE PLANE, RIGHT.
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I HATE COMMUTERS ANYWAY.
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I GOTTA RUB SOME BUTTERON ME JUST TO GET IN THE
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BATHROOM BUT ANYWAY,BE THAT AS IT MAY --
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[LAUGHTER]
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- RUB SOME BUTTER ON ME.
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- THERE'S A VISUALFOR YOU RIGHT THERE.
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AND I HAPPEN TO LOOK INTOTHE COCKPIT AND I SEE A
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WOMAN ABOUT YOUR SIZE,AND I'M THINKING STORM
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AND I'M JUST THINKING TOMYSELF THERE'S NO WAY
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THIS WOMAN IS GOING TOBE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS
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FLIGHT, AND IT WAS THEWORST ROCKIEST FLIGHT I
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EVER HAD AS THE HOLYSPIRIT DISPATCHED DOWN TO
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THE WEATHER CHANNEL TOMAKE IT ROCKY SO RICK
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WOULD WAKE UPOUT OF HIS FOG.
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I WENT TO MY HOTEL ROOMAND I REPENTED MULTIPLE
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TIMES FOR JUDGINGBASED ON WHAT I SEE.
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IF ALL YOU SEE IS WHATYOU SEE, YOU'RE NOT GOING
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TO SEE WHATNEEDS TO BE SEEN.
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AND MATT, IT REALLYPOINTS TO A BIGGER ISSUE.
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HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WEHEARD PEOPLE SAY OH, I'M
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NOT RACIST?
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REALLY?
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LET HER BRING HOMESOMEBODY THAT'S NOT
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YOUR TYPE.
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I'M NOT PREJUDICE.
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OH REALLY?
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YOU SEE, PREJUDICE ISN'TREVEALED UNTIL IT GETS A
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LITTLE CLOSE TO YOU.
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- GOT IT.
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- YOU SEE, I DIDN'T I WASEITHER UNTIL I HAD THAT
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ENCOUNTER WITH AN AIRLINEPILOT, SO THE POINT I'M
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TRYING TO MAKE IS INSIDEOF ME THERE'S A LOT
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OF WRETCHEDNESS.
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AND SO I HAVE ONE OF 2CHOICES DURING A TIME OF
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TREMENDOUSRACIAL UNSTRIFE.
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I CAN DO THIS.
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I CAN REMIND PEOPLE OFEVERYTHING THEY HAVE
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NOT DONE.
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I CAN CONSTANTLY CONDEMNAND BLAME AND RIDICULE,
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OR I CAN SAY MY THEOLOGYTELLS ME TO LOOK TO THE
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ONE THAT CANHEAL MY HEART.
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THE PRESUPPOSITION IS, THESYLLOGISTIC REASONING IS
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MY HEART NEEDS HEALING.
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- YOUR DADDY WAS ATHIRD GRADE DROPOUT.
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- SURE.
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- HE WAS A COOKALL OF HIS LIFE.
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- YES, SIR.
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- HIS BOYS AREPROFESSORS.
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- JUDGES.
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- WITH MULTIPLEDEGREES.
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AND YOUR BROTHERIS A --
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- JUDGE. YES, SIR.
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- SO THE IDEA THAT GOTYOU THERE WAS WHAT?
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- OH, MAN.
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- WHAT MADE THE RIGSBYFAMILY BE WHAT THEY ARE?
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WHY DO YOU SMILE SO MUCH?
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WHAT'S HAPPENED TO YOU?
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- MY DAD WAS DEALINGWITH A PREJUDICE IN THE
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1940'S AND 50'S THAT IWOULD NEVER KNOW, AND
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LISTEN TO THIS, NEVERONCE, NEVER ONCE DID I
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HEAR HIM COMPLAIN.
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IT WAS ALWAYS TAKETHE HIGH ROAD.
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BECAUSE MY FATHER WORKEDAT CALIFORNIA MARITIME
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ACADEMY IN THE SANFRANCISCO BAY AREA, OURS
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WAS AN INTEGRATEDENVIRONMENT, SO OUR
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FRIENDS WERE WHITE,BROWN, BLACK.
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ON OUR BLOCK WE HADWHITE, FILIPINO,
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HISPANIC, AND BLACK.
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IN ONE WEEK I COULD GOFROM CHICKEN ADOBO TO
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HAMBURGER HELPER WITHOUT-- [LAUGHTER] SO WE WERE
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TAUGHT TO LOOKBEYOND WHAT YOU SEE.
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I MEAN, IT WAS ENGRAINEDIN US PARTLY I THINK OUT
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OF THE NECESSITY OF THETHIRD GRADE DROPOUT WHO
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SAID I DO NOT WANT MYCHILDREN TO DWELL IN
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THE WEEDS.
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WE GET OLDER AND WEREALIZE THOSE WEEDS ARE
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PRETTY HIGH.
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WE GET OLDER AND WE'RESTARTING TO SAY IN OUR
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TEENS IN OUR MOREMILITANT EARLY 20'S, WE
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GET OLDER AND SAY DADDY,WHY DIDN'T YOU
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FIGHT BACK?
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WITHOUT REALIZING HE WASFIGHTING BACK, WITHOUT
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REALIZING THAT HE WASASSIMILATING THE BEST WAY
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THAT HE COULD.
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AND HERE WAS THE BESTWAY THAT HE COULD.
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HE AND MAMA POINTINGUS TO JESUS.
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YOU SEE, THIS IS WHAT THECHURCH IS MISSING TODAY,
00:21:01.483 --> 00:21:03.885
MATT AND LAURIE.
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WE PLACE OUR AGENDA ABOVETHE THEOLOGY OF GOD.
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- WOW.
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- WE LITERALLY PLACE OURAGENDA AT THE APEX OF THE
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TRIANGLE TO THE POINTTHAT UNLESS WE'RE
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COMFORTABLE, UNLESS IT'SCONVENIENT, UNLESS WE'RE
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BEING ENCROACHED UPON,DON'T MESS WITH US, RIGHT.
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SO HOW CAN GOD BE GOD?
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OUR MOM AND DAD ALWAYS,ALWAYS, ALWAYS PLACED THE
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WORD OF GOD ABOVE ALL WEFELT, WHETHER WE FELT WE
00:21:32.314 --> 00:21:38.820
WERE BEING ATTACKED, NOMATTER WHAT WE FELT, NO
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MATTER WHAT WEEXPERIENCED OUR FOLKS
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ALWAYS PUSHEDOUR HEADS UP.
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I AM SO, SO GRATEFUL.
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IT WASN'T UNTIL I WASLIKE 35, 40 YEARS OLD
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THAT I REALIZED MY MOTHERAND FATHER WERE ENDURING
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HORRIFIC RACISM.
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RACISM ON-THE-JOB, THEYCOULD NEVER QUOTE
00:22:01.343 --> 00:22:03.645
MEASURE UP.
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THERE WAS ALWAYSSOMEBODY QUESTIONING
00:22:06.181 --> 00:22:09.151
THEIR LEGITIMIZATION.
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I GREW UP WITHRACIAL PROFILING.
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MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.
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I'VE BEEN RACIALLYPROFILED MY ENTIRE LIFE,
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BUT WE WERE ALWAYSCHALLENGED TO PUSH UP.
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MY MOM AND DAD BECAME MYHEROES WHEN I REALIZED
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THAT THEY MADE ACONSCIENTIOUS EFFORT NOT
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TO MAKE THAT REALITY.
00:22:24.733 --> 00:22:26.101
OUR REALITY IS YOU SHALLLOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD
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WITH ALL YOUR HEART,SOUL AND MIGHT.
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AND WHEN JESUS RATIFIEDIT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT,
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HE SAID OH, FELLAS, YOUSHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
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AS YOURSELF.
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AND SO THOSE WHITES ANDTHOSE BROWNS AND THOSE
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BLACKS WERE LOVEDBY THE RIGSBIES.
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IF YOU GO TO VALLEJO,CALIFORNIA TO THIS DAY,
00:22:42.617 --> 00:22:45.954
YOU WILL HEAR NOTHING BUTLOVE FOR PAPA RIGSBY AND
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FOR GRANNY,FOR MAMA RIGSBY.
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AND IT WAS BECAUSE THEYCHOSE TO TAKE THE
00:22:53.862 --> 00:22:56.832
HIGH ROAD.
00:22:56.932 --> 00:22:57.999
NOW, HERE'S THE POINT.
00:22:58.099 --> 00:22:59.501
YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HIGHROAD WHEN IT'S ALL
00:22:59.601 --> 00:23:00.802
ABOUT YOU.
00:23:00.902 --> 00:23:02.170
WHEN ALL ABOUT YOURCONSERVATIVE BENT, WHEN
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IT'S ALL ABOUTYOUR LIBERAL BENT.
00:23:04.372 --> 00:23:06.341
I HAVE SO MANY BEAUTIFULCHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND
00:23:06.441 --> 00:23:08.743
SISTERS WHO ARE WRITINGSUCH HORRIFIC TRASH
00:23:08.844 --> 00:23:10.912
ON INTERNET.
00:23:11.012 --> 00:23:12.347
YOU KNOW WHAT?
00:23:12.447 --> 00:23:13.615
WE DON'T NEED ANEW NARRATIVE.
00:23:13.715 --> 00:23:15.717
WE NEED A GODLYNARRATIVE.
00:23:15.817 --> 00:23:18.453
WE DON'T NEED ANEW KIND OF GOSPEL.
00:23:18.553 --> 00:23:21.957
WE NEED AS LEONARD RAVENHILLSAID, WE DON'T NEED
00:23:22.057 --> 00:23:25.627
A NEW DEFINITIONOF THE GOSPEL.
00:23:25.727 --> 00:23:27.028
WE NEED A NEWDEMONSTRATION OF THE
00:23:27.128 --> 00:23:28.897
POWER OF GOSPEL.
00:23:28.997 --> 00:23:30.298
YOU SEE, WHAT'S HAPPENED,AND I THINK TONY EVANS
00:23:30.398 --> 00:23:32.067
SAID IT BEST ON APREVIOUS SHOW, HE SAYS
00:23:32.167 --> 00:23:35.403
YOU KNOW, DESPITE,DESPITE THE TEACHINGS OF
00:23:35.504 --> 00:23:40.208
THE WORLD, OUR TRADITIONSOF RACISM, OF SYSTEMIC
00:23:40.308 --> 00:23:45.213
RACISM THEY'VE EVENOVERWHELMED THE GOSPEL.
00:23:45.313 --> 00:23:49.417
MAY THAT NEVER BE.
00:23:49.518 --> 00:23:51.086
AND REMEMBER ON THATSHOW, YOU AND I AND
00:23:51.186 --> 00:23:53.421
LAURIE WERE TALKINGABOUT HOW HE JUST USED
00:23:53.522 --> 00:23:56.925
GALATIANS CHAPTER 20AS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE.
00:23:57.025 --> 00:24:00.262
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THATDIDN'T SEE IT, IT WAS A
00:24:00.362 --> 00:24:03.665
PROFOUND MOMENT OF EXEGESISWHERE HE SAYS
00:24:03.765 --> 00:24:07.702
LOOKING AT THEGREAT-GREAT SCRIPTURE
00:24:07.802 --> 00:24:12.841
I'VE BEEN CRUCIFIED WITHCHRIST, IT'S NO LONGER I
00:24:12.941 --> 00:24:15.744
WHO LIVE BUT CHRIST LIVESWITHIN ME, AND THE LIFE I
00:24:15.844 --> 00:24:18.680
NOW LIVE IN THE FLESH INOW LIVE IN THE ONE WHO
00:24:18.780 --> 00:24:22.017
LOVED ME AND GAVEHIMSELF UP FOR ME.
00:24:22.117 --> 00:24:23.718
AND PASTOR TONY ON THISSHOW SAID THE BACKSTORY
00:24:23.818 --> 00:24:29.357
IS IN VERSES11 THROUGH 19.
00:24:29.457 --> 00:24:33.128
- GALATIANS 2.
00:24:33.228 --> 00:24:34.229
- GALATIANS 2.
00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:35.363
AND THEN THE BACK STORYIS IN VERSES 11 THROUGH
00:24:35.463 --> 00:24:38.733
19 WHERE PETER NOTWANTING TO OFFEND HIS NEW
00:24:38.833 --> 00:24:42.604
JEWISH FRIENDS UPON THEARRIVAL OF THE GENTILES
00:24:42.704 --> 00:24:48.243
JUST DOESN'T WANTTO BE OFFENSIVE.
00:24:48.343 --> 00:24:52.814
AND PAUL PUBLICLY SAYINGIN DOING SO YOU HAVE
00:24:52.914 --> 00:24:55.283
OFFENDED CHRIST.
00:24:55.383 --> 00:24:56.718
- MY GOODNESS.
00:24:56.818 --> 00:24:58.186
- YOU HAVEOFFENDED THE GOSPEL.
00:24:58.286 --> 00:24:59.421
SO HERE'S THE QUESTION,WHEN WE TAKE SIDES BASED
00:24:59.521 --> 00:25:05.226
ON PREFERENCE, I'M NOTTALKING JUST WHITE, I'M
00:25:05.327 --> 00:25:07.596
TALKING ALL GOD'SCHILDREN, BASED ON LABEL,
00:25:07.696 --> 00:25:11.366
BASED THE ON POLITICALPERSUASION, ARE WE
00:25:11.466 --> 00:25:14.536
NOT OFFENDING GOD?
00:25:14.636 --> 00:25:16.171
AND SOMEHOW WITHIN THENOMENCLATURE OF A SIMPLE
00:25:16.271 --> 00:25:19.207
THIRD GRADE DROPOUT, ANDHIS WIFE A COUNTRY WOMAN
00:25:19.307 --> 00:25:22.577
FROM OKLAHOMA,THEY GOT IT.
00:25:22.677 --> 00:25:24.713
THEY GOT IT, ANDTHEY PASSED IT ON.
00:25:24.813 --> 00:25:27.282
IT'S NOT THAT YOU HAVEA DIMMED EYE TO THE
00:25:27.382 --> 00:25:30.552
PREJUDICE OF THE DAY, BUTYOU RISE ABOVE IT BECAUSE
00:25:30.652 --> 00:25:33.154
WHAT YOU'RE RISING UP TOIS A GLORIFIED CROSS THAT
00:25:33.254 --> 00:25:37.559
HAS NO RESPECTEROF A PERSON.
00:25:37.659 --> 00:25:40.562
THAT'S THE WAY ME ANDBOBBY WERE RAISED.
00:25:40.662 --> 00:25:42.497
HE'S NOW OFFICIALLY JUDGEROBERT RIGSBY BUT HE'LL
00:25:42.597 --> 00:25:45.900
ALWAYS BE BOBBY TO ME.
00:25:46.001 --> 00:25:47.102
[LAUGHTER]
00:25:47.202 --> 00:25:48.203
- THAT'S THE WAYWE WERE REARED.
00:25:48.303 --> 00:25:49.404
THAT'S THE WAYWE WERE REARED.
00:25:49.504 --> 00:25:50.739
CHRIST IS THE ANSWER,MATT AND LAURIE.
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:54.309
I'M SAVED.
00:25:54.409 --> 00:25:56.011
I'M SITTING HERE TODAYBECAUSE OF A SAVIOR THAT
00:25:56.111 --> 00:25:59.547
SAYS I HAVE ONE RACE OFPEOPLE, THE RACE THAT
00:25:59.648 --> 00:26:04.653
I CREATED.
00:26:04.753 --> 00:26:06.655
NOW GET AFTER IT ANDLOVE ONE ANOTHER.
00:26:06.755 --> 00:26:09.290
I WANT TO SEE THE DAY, IWANT TO SEE THE DAY WHEN
00:26:09.391 --> 00:26:13.995
I'M ABLE TO TALK TO ACLANSMAN FACE-TO-FACE AND
00:26:14.095 --> 00:26:16.831
THAT WE FIND SOMETHINGTHAT WE CAN AGREE UPON.
00:26:16.931 --> 00:26:18.967
I WANT TO SEE THE DAYTHAT I'M ABLE TO TALK TO
00:26:19.067 --> 00:26:21.936
MY WHITE SUPREMISTBROTHER AND SISTER THAT
00:26:22.037 --> 00:26:24.572
MAYBE THERE MIGHT BESOMETHING THAT WE CAN
00:26:24.673 --> 00:26:26.508
AGREE UPON.
00:26:26.608 --> 00:26:27.942
WE ARE ALLGOD'S CHILDREN.
00:26:28.043 --> 00:26:29.678
EVEN IF WE'RE IN DENIAL,WE'RE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN.
00:26:29.778 --> 00:26:32.681
I JUST BELIEVE ITWITH ALL MY HEART.
00:26:32.781 --> 00:26:34.783
Y'ALL CAN CALL ME CRAZY,YOU CAN CALL ME STUPID,
00:26:34.883 --> 00:26:38.286
BUT I KNOW THEDEFINITION OF HOPE.
00:26:38.386 --> 00:26:40.455
HOPE IS THAT QUALITYWITHIN EACH AND EVERY ONE
00:26:40.555 --> 00:26:43.692
OF US PLACED IN THEREBY GOD THAT PLACES A
00:26:43.792 --> 00:26:46.261
TRANSFORMATIVE DEMANDUPON OUR HEART TO BELIEVE
00:26:46.361 --> 00:26:49.698
FOR THE BEST OUTCOME.
00:26:49.798 --> 00:26:51.499
THAT IS JESUS THE CHRIST.
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.803
- YES. AMEN.
00:26:54.903 --> 00:26:56.571
- OH.
00:26:56.671 --> 00:26:58.173
- YOU KNOW, WE WERETALKING BACK IN THE BACK
00:26:58.273 --> 00:26:59.808
ABOUT GOING TO DIFFERENTCOUNTRIES AND OUR
00:26:59.908 --> 00:27:02.644
PRELIMINARY THOUGHTSABOUT DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
00:27:02.744 --> 00:27:06.281
AND ONCE YOU GET THEREMAN, IT'S JUST ERASED AND
00:27:06.381 --> 00:27:09.451
YOU MEET THE PEOPLE.
00:27:09.551 --> 00:27:10.719
- YEAH.
00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:12.287
- YOU KNOW, I AM A TRUEBELIEVER THAT NO MATTER
00:27:12.387 --> 00:27:14.622
HOW BAD SOMEBODY IS --
00:27:14.723 --> 00:27:16.558
- YES.
00:27:16.658 --> 00:27:17.559
- YOU GET THEM BYTHEMSELVES, YOU GET THEM
00:27:17.659 --> 00:27:18.993
HOME WITH THEIR FAMILIES,THEY CAN BE THE GREATEST
00:27:19.094 --> 00:27:23.364
FATHERS, THEY CAN BETHE GREATEST -YOU KNOW.
00:27:23.465 --> 00:27:25.200
- THE STEREOTYPES --- THE STEREOTYPES FALL AWAY.
00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:28.503
TO EVERYBODY I THINK I'VEEVER MET IN MY LIFE,
00:27:28.603 --> 00:27:31.239
NO MATTER ANY PRECONCEIVEDIDEAS, YOU KNOW,
00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:35.810
THERE'S ALWAYS GOOD INSOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY'RE
00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:38.680
MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
00:27:38.780 --> 00:27:40.882
- THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
00:27:40.982 --> 00:27:42.150
- WE'RE ALL IMAGEBEARERS OF CHRIST.
00:27:42.250 --> 00:27:43.618
- YOU'RE RIGHT. CAN I TELL YOUA FUNNY STORY REAL QUICK.
00:27:43.718 --> 00:27:45.954
SO I MOVED FROMCALIFORNIA TO ACCEPT A
00:27:46.054 --> 00:27:48.123
JOB AT TEXAS A&M IN 1992,AND WE WERE A LITTLE
00:27:48.223 --> 00:27:51.626
CONCERNED EVEN THOUGH MYFATHER GREW UP IN TEXAS,
00:27:51.726 --> 00:27:53.862
WE WERE A LITTLECONCERNED ABOUT BEING
00:27:53.962 --> 00:27:55.563
AFRICAN AMERICAN.
00:27:55.663 --> 00:27:56.998
DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SO MUCHCONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS
00:27:57.098 --> 00:27:58.867
BEING FROM CALIFORNIA.
00:27:58.967 --> 00:28:00.435
[LAUGHTER]
00:28:00.535 --> 00:28:01.870
THE STEREOTYPES.
00:28:01.970 --> 00:28:03.104
YOU KNOW WHAT I'MTALKING ABOUT.
00:28:03.204 --> 00:28:04.305
THE STEREOTYPES OFUS CALIFORNIANS.
00:28:04.405 --> 00:28:06.908
- MATT: FRUITS AND NUTS.
00:28:07.008 --> 00:28:08.209
- THANK YOU.
00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:09.377
DIDN'T FIT THE MOTIF OFWHAT I AFFECTIONATELY
00:28:09.477 --> 00:28:11.813
REFER TO AS "THE REPUBLICOF TEXAS", WHICH I AM NOW
00:28:11.913 --> 00:28:14.716
VERY PROUD TO BE ONE OFITS CITIZENS, BUT THE
00:28:14.816 --> 00:28:17.185
POINT IS THOSESTEREOTYPES CAN LITERALLY
00:28:17.285 --> 00:28:20.989
CONTINUE TO PERPETUATEIGNORANCE TO THE POINT
00:28:21.089 --> 00:28:23.758
THAT ENTROPY SETS IN TOTHE POINT THAT WE DIE
00:28:23.858 --> 00:28:26.661
LONG BEFORE WE DIE.
00:28:26.761 --> 00:28:29.097
I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE,THEY'VE DIED, THEY'RE JUST
00:28:29.197 --> 00:28:32.167
WAITING FOR THEFUNERAL TO TAKE PLACE.
00:28:32.267 --> 00:28:34.536
ENTROPY, THE SECOND LAWOF THERMODYNAMICS, THAT'S
00:28:34.636 --> 00:28:37.272
JUST ANYTHING MADE UP OFA PHYSICAL MATTER IS IN
00:28:37.372 --> 00:28:39.874
THE PROCESS OF DECAYINGAND EVENTUAL CHAOS.
00:28:39.974 --> 00:28:42.377
WE ARE SPIRIT BUT WEARE ALSO PHYSICAL.
00:28:42.477 --> 00:28:45.280
WHAT DOES IGNORANCE DO?
00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:47.448
IT PERPETUATES OURTRADITIONS THAT WE'VE
00:28:47.549 --> 00:28:49.617
GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO WHILEAT THE SAME TIME SAYING
00:28:49.717 --> 00:28:52.120
MATT, I DON'T WANT TOENTERTAIN ANYTHING YOU
00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:53.888
WANT TO DO, LAURIE I DON'TWANT TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING
00:28:53.988 --> 00:28:56.491
YOU HAVE TO SAY, ANYBODYFROM THAT COAST IS WRONG,
00:28:56.591 --> 00:29:00.562
ANYBODY FROM THIS COASTIS WRONG, ANYBODY OVER
00:29:00.662 --> 00:29:03.665
THERE IS WRONG, ANDSO WHAT DO WE DO?
00:29:03.765 --> 00:29:06.301
NO WONDER THE BIBLE SAYSTHAT THE TRADITIONS OF
00:29:06.401 --> 00:29:10.004
MEN MAKE THE WORDOF GOD OF NO AFFECT.
00:29:10.104 --> 00:29:12.774
JUST IN TWO HOURS TODAY,I WOULD JUST TELL OUR
00:29:12.874 --> 00:29:16.578
FAMILY, SPEND TWO TOTHREE HOURS AND JUST READ
00:29:16.678 --> 00:29:19.380
THE BOOK OF MARK.
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:20.782
SIXTEEN RIVETING CHAPTERSWITH ONE THEME, JESUS
00:29:20.882 --> 00:29:24.385
CAME TO BE A SUFFERINGSERVANT TO OVERTURN THE
00:29:24.485 --> 00:29:29.457
NORMATIVE PRACTICESOF A SOCIETY IN LOVE
00:29:29.557 --> 00:29:32.227
WITH ITS OWN TRADITIONS.
00:29:32.327 --> 00:29:33.795
- MY GOODNESS.
00:29:33.895 --> 00:29:35.430
- THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
00:29:35.530 --> 00:29:37.198
- MATT AND LAURIE, DON'TYOU LONG FOR THE DAY,
00:29:37.298 --> 00:29:40.001
AND I BELIEVE IT'S GONNAHAPPEN, WHERE WE CAN
00:29:40.101 --> 00:29:42.337
GET PAST LABELS ANDLISTEN TO EACH OTHER?
00:29:42.437 --> 00:29:47.075
YOU KNOW, DISSENSIONIS NOT A BAD THING.
00:29:47.175 --> 00:29:49.744
OUR COUNTRY IN THE UNITEDSTATES, MANY COUNTRIES
00:29:49.844 --> 00:29:51.880
THROUGHOUT THE WORLD INYOUR VIEWING AUDIENCE,
00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:54.249
ADVANCED AS A RESULTOF DISSENSION.
00:29:54.349 --> 00:29:56.351
DISSENSION ISNOT A BAD THING.
00:29:56.451 --> 00:29:57.952
WHAT'S A BAD THING ISWHEN WE DON'T LISTEN TO
00:29:58.052 --> 00:29:59.721
ONE ANOTHER. WHAT'SA BAD THING IS WHEN
00:29:59.821 --> 00:30:01.389
WE DON'T SHOW CIVILITY.
00:30:01.489 --> 00:30:03.391
YOU'RE NOT GONNABELIEVE THIS.
00:30:03.491 --> 00:30:04.659
BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2019,SEVEN MONTHS AGO, I WAS
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:10.064
ON CHARLES PAYNE'S SHOWTITLED "MAKING MONEY" AT
00:30:10.164 --> 00:30:13.101
FOX IN NEW YORK, AND THEWHOLE SETUP FOR THE SHOW
00:30:13.201 --> 00:30:16.170
WAS TO PIT A LIBERAL WITHA CONSERVATIVE AT THE
00:30:16.271 --> 00:30:19.374
CHRISTMAS TABLE TO SEEWHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE
00:30:19.474 --> 00:30:23.478
SURE THEY DIDN'TKILL EACH OTHER.
00:30:23.578 --> 00:30:25.113
AND I WAS CALLEDIN TO OFFER ADVICE.
00:30:25.213 --> 00:30:27.148
[LAUGHTER]
00:30:27.248 --> 00:30:29.550
IS THAT-- IF MY DAD WASALIVE, IF YOUR DAD WAS
00:30:29.651 --> 00:30:33.922
ALIVE, IF YOURGRANDMOTHER WAS ALIVE,
00:30:34.022 --> 00:30:35.690
THEY'D GO WHAT?
00:30:35.790 --> 00:30:37.792
THAT'S WHAT IT'S COMETO, THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A
00:30:37.892 --> 00:30:40.895
DISAGREEMENT WITHOUTSOMEBODY PULLING OUT A
00:30:40.995 --> 00:30:43.331
SHOTGUN. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
00:30:43.431 --> 00:30:45.633
I REMEMBER WHEN THECURRENT PRESIDENT WAS
00:30:45.733 --> 00:30:48.937
ELECTED, I HAD A NUMBEROF AFRICAN AMERICAN
00:30:49.037 --> 00:30:51.406
FRIENDS SAY THAT THEYWERE ASSAULTED, THEY WERE
00:30:51.506 --> 00:30:55.009
ASSAULTED, THEY WERECALLED CERTAIN NAMES THAT
00:30:55.109 --> 00:30:57.178
I REFUSE TO MENTIONON THIS AIR.
00:30:57.278 --> 00:30:59.514
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
00:30:59.614 --> 00:31:01.082
WE'RE PART OF THE HUMANRACE BROUGHT TOGETHER BY
00:31:01.182 --> 00:31:04.452
THE BLOOD OF JESUS, ANDI HEAR GOD, I HEAR A
00:31:04.552 --> 00:31:08.022
CLARION CALL, STARTACTING LIKE IT.
00:31:08.122 --> 00:31:11.392
I THINK THAT THE PANDEMICAND THE RACIAL VIOLENCE
00:31:11.492 --> 00:31:15.296
OF THIS HOUR HAS BEEN AMAJOR WARNING FROM HEAVEN.
00:31:15.396 --> 00:31:18.933
I THINK GOD'SFED UP WITH IT.
00:31:19.033 --> 00:31:21.135
I THINK 400 YEARS ISENOUGH. IT'S ENOUGH.
00:31:21.235 --> 00:31:25.006
DON'T GET CAUGHT UPWITH "WELL, IS RACISM
00:31:25.106 --> 00:31:28.409
SYSTEMIC" BECAUSE YOU'REGONNA HAVE A WHOLE GROUP
00:31:28.509 --> 00:31:30.812
OF PEOPLE LIKE MEWHO WILL SAY YES.
00:31:30.912 --> 00:31:33.614
YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER GROUPOF PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY NO.
00:31:33.715 --> 00:31:36.250
SO IF WE CAN'T COMETOGETHER THERE, WHERE CAN
00:31:36.351 --> 00:31:38.419
WE COME TOGETHER? THERE'SROOM AT THE CROSS.
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.189
- BEAUTIFUL.
00:31:41.289 --> 00:31:42.590
- I HEARD TODAY YOU SAYIF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN,
00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:45.193
START ACTING LIKE IT.
00:31:45.293 --> 00:31:46.427
- START ACTING LIKE IT.
00:31:46.527 --> 00:31:48.429
YOU KNOW WHAT'SINTERESTING, THE CHURCH
00:31:48.529 --> 00:31:50.498
AND Y'ALL BEEN TOSEMINARY, THE CHURCH
00:31:50.598 --> 00:31:53.401
HISTORY BLEW ME AWAY.
00:31:53.501 --> 00:31:54.702
IT'S A MIRACLEWE HAVE A CHURCH.
00:31:54.802 --> 00:31:56.504
THE CHURCH HAS NEVER BEENUNIFIED ON THE SUBJECT OF
00:31:56.604 --> 00:31:59.340
RACE. NEVER IN THE HISTORYOF THE UNITED STATES.
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.043
NEVER UNIFIED.
00:32:02.143 --> 00:32:03.611
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
00:32:03.711 --> 00:32:05.813
THE CHURCH HAS NEVERBEEN UNIFIED ON THE
00:32:05.913 --> 00:32:08.816
SUBJECT OF RACE. NEVER.
00:32:08.916 --> 00:32:11.119
WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITYRIGHT NOW WHEN YOU HAVE
00:32:11.219 --> 00:32:14.889
THE WHOLE WORLD SAYINGWHEN YOU HAVE THE
00:32:14.989 --> 00:32:17.558
DISENFRANCHISEDMILLENNIALS SAYING
00:32:17.658 --> 00:32:20.194
SHOW ME SOMETHING THATI HAVEN'T SEEN.
00:32:20.294 --> 00:32:23.364
- SO WE HEARD YOU SAY,LAURIE JUST MENTIONED IT,
00:32:23.464 --> 00:32:26.467
THAT IF YOU'RE SAYINGYOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, START
00:32:26.567 --> 00:32:30.204
ACTING LIKE IT, AND YOUKNOW I HEARD A DEFINITION
00:32:30.304 --> 00:32:35.810
OF TAKING THE LORD'S NAMEIN VAIN IS NOT A SWEAR
00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:41.315
WORD, IT'S CLAIMINGYOU'RE A CHRISTIAN AND
00:32:41.416 --> 00:32:45.219
DOING THINGS IN THE NAMEOF CHRISTIANITY THAT
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.056
ISN'T CHRISTIANITY.
00:32:48.156 --> 00:32:51.426
SO THAT WORD THERE ISREALLY MORE DON'T CARRY
00:32:51.526 --> 00:32:56.597
THE NAME OF THE LORD WITHYOU AS A LABEL IN VAIN.
00:32:56.697 --> 00:33:01.936
SO DON'T WEAR A COLLARAND ABUSE A CHILD.
00:33:02.036 --> 00:33:06.274
DON'T-- OKAY, THAT ISTAKING THE LORD'S-- YOU'RE
00:33:06.374 --> 00:33:09.010
SUGGESTING THAT IF WE'REGONNA SAY THAT WE'RE
00:33:09.110 --> 00:33:12.847
BELIEVERS, THEN STARTACTING LIKE IT, AND WHAT
00:33:12.947 --> 00:33:15.716
DID JESUS TELL US TO DO?
00:33:15.817 --> 00:33:17.351
LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL OFOUR HEARTS AND MINDS,
00:33:17.452 --> 00:33:19.921
AND LOVE OUR NEIGHBORSAS OURSELVES.
00:33:20.021 --> 00:33:21.422
THAT'S REALLY A FIRSTCENTURY CHRISTIAN, THAT
00:33:21.522 --> 00:33:24.492
IS THE ULTIMATE LABELTHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
00:33:24.592 --> 00:33:28.729
EITHER YOU WERE DOINGTHAT OR YOU WEREN'T.
00:33:28.830 --> 00:33:31.332
- YOU WERE KNOWNBY YOUR LOVE.
00:33:31.432 --> 00:33:32.767
- YOU HAVE TO BEKNOWN BY YOUR LOVE.
00:33:32.867 --> 00:33:34.335
FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIAN,THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
00:33:34.435 --> 00:33:36.704
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.
00:33:36.804 --> 00:33:38.072
- YOU'RE RIGHT.
00:33:38.172 --> 00:33:39.307
- SO WHAT DOWE NEED TO HEAR?
00:33:39.407 --> 00:33:43.077
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANTLAURIE AND I TO HEAR?
00:33:43.177 --> 00:33:47.348
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT OURAUDIENCE TO HEAR THAT
00:33:47.448 --> 00:33:50.084
WILL HELP POINT US ALL TOTHE RIGHT PLACE TO FIND
00:33:50.184 --> 00:33:57.425
TRUE RESOLVE, NOT SOMEKIND OF KUMBAYA MOMENT.
00:33:57.525 --> 00:34:02.330
- AS LONG AS YOU HIDEBEHIND YOUR TRADITIONS,
00:34:02.430 --> 00:34:05.967
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, BUTAS LONG AS WE HIDE BEHIND
00:34:06.067 --> 00:34:08.269
OUR TRADITIONS, YOU'LLALWAYS THINK THAT BROWN
00:34:08.369 --> 00:34:10.938
AND BLACK PEOPLE AREPLAYING THE RACE CARD.
00:34:11.038 --> 00:34:13.207
NO. WE'VE NEVER BEENINVITED TO THE POKER TABLE
00:34:13.307 --> 00:34:15.776
TO PLAY ANY CARDS.
00:34:15.877 --> 00:34:17.945
THE TABLE HAS ALWAYS BEENLIMITED GUESTS ONLY.
00:34:18.045 --> 00:34:21.382
WE HAD NO SAY SO INTHE FRAMING OF THE
00:34:21.482 --> 00:34:24.118
CONSTITUTION OFTHE UNITED STATES.
00:34:24.218 --> 00:34:25.987
WE HAD NO SAY SO IN THEPOLITICAL SYSTEM WHATSOEVER.
00:34:26.087 --> 00:34:30.391
AND I THINK THAT THISTIME IS CALLING US TO,
00:34:30.491 --> 00:34:34.662
ALL OF US TO LISTENMORE AND TO TALK LESS.
00:34:34.762 --> 00:34:37.532
WHAT I WOULD SAY TOPEOPLE IS RESIST THE
00:34:37.632 --> 00:34:40.568
TEMPTATION TO THROW OUT AQUICK LABEL SO THAT YOU
00:34:40.668 --> 00:34:44.772
CAN ADVOCATE YOURARGUMENT AND ASK PEOPLE
00:34:44.872 --> 00:34:48.342
TELL ME WHY YOU BELIEVEWHAT YOU BELIEVE?
00:34:48.442 --> 00:34:50.811
SHARE WITH ME WHAT IT ISTHAT YOU'RE FEELING, WHAT
00:34:50.912 --> 00:34:54.849
YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH,WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:57.585
I THINK PEOPLE WOULDLITERALLY BE SHOCKED,
00:34:57.685 --> 00:35:00.354
JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKINGOFF CAMERA WITH THE OTHER
00:35:00.454 --> 00:35:03.224
GENTLEMAN ON THETBN BOARD ABOUT OUR
00:35:03.324 --> 00:35:05.893
EXPERIENCES IF HE BEINGWHITE AND ME BEING BLACK
00:35:05.993 --> 00:35:09.297
WERE TO DRIVE OVERNIGHTAND WALK INTO A
00:35:09.397 --> 00:35:11.933
CONVENIENCE STORE AT 3:00O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING,
00:35:12.033 --> 00:35:13.801
TWO COMPLETELYDIFFERENT REACTIONS.
00:35:13.901 --> 00:35:17.104
WHAT I WOULD SAY TOPEOPLE IN LOVE IS WALK IN
00:35:17.205 --> 00:35:20.041
SOMEBODY ELSE'S SHOES.
00:35:20.141 --> 00:35:21.943
I WOULD SAY THAT TO MYBLACK AND BROWN FRIENDS.
00:35:22.043 --> 00:35:24.478
I WOULD SAY THAT TO MYPROTEST FRIENDS AND I
00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:26.714
WOULD SAY THAT TOTHE FRIENDS THAT ARE
00:35:26.814 --> 00:35:29.116
CRITICIZING THEPROTESTORS.
00:35:29.217 --> 00:35:31.285
THIS IS NO LONGER THETIME TO JUST HIDE BEHIND
00:35:31.385 --> 00:35:36.924
THAT WHICH ISCOMFORTABLE.
00:35:37.024 --> 00:35:38.492
ANYBODY CAN THROW OUTRACIAL SLURS, RIGHT?
00:35:38.593 --> 00:35:41.162
ANYBODY CAN MAKE PRONOUNCEMENTSBASED ON LABELS.
00:35:41.262 --> 00:35:44.532
ANYBODY CAN HIDE BEHINDTHE CLOAK AND THE
00:35:44.632 --> 00:35:47.602
DAGGER OF A TRADITION.
00:35:47.702 --> 00:35:49.870
ANYBODY CAN DO THAT, BUTI'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY
00:35:49.971 --> 00:35:53.241
THAT HAS THE CHRIST INTHEM TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES
00:35:53.341 --> 00:35:58.713
AND SEARCH THEIR HEART,AND THEN THE ABILITY, THE
00:35:58.813 --> 00:36:03.851
DESIRE, THE GREAT DESIRE,THE GODLY DESIRE TO SAY
00:36:03.951 --> 00:36:08.456
I NEED TO GROW INMY UNDERSTANDING.
00:36:08.556 --> 00:36:11.092
I TOLD BOTH OF YOU ALL INTHE GREEN ROOM, THE TBN
00:36:11.192 --> 00:36:14.562
MOMENT THAT MOVED METHE MOST HASN'T BEEN
00:36:14.662 --> 00:36:17.832
WHEN I WAS ON THE SHOW.
00:36:17.932 --> 00:36:19.567
[LAUGHTER]
00:36:19.667 --> 00:36:21.068
HASN'T BEEN WHEN BISHOPJAKES WAS ON THE SHOW.
00:36:21.168 --> 00:36:22.903
I MEAN THOSE ARESOME GREAT MOMENTS.
00:36:23.004 --> 00:36:24.972
THE MOMENT THAT MOVED METHE MOST WAS WHEN YOUR
00:36:25.072 --> 00:36:27.275
FRIEND, PASTOR RICHWILKERSON SAID WE NEED
00:36:27.375 --> 00:36:33.147
TO BE QUIET AND LISTEN.
00:36:33.247 --> 00:36:36.050
NOW YOU KNOW WHAT, THATPRONOUN IN THAT SENTENCE,
00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:38.686
WE, THAT AIN'TJUST WHITE FOLKS.
00:36:38.786 --> 00:36:41.589
THAT'S ALL OF US.
00:36:41.689 --> 00:36:43.758
WE ALL HAVE OWNERSHIP,WHICH MEANS WE ALL NEED
00:36:43.858 --> 00:36:46.727
TO LISTEN, AND I THINKTHAT I WOULD SAY TO
00:36:46.827 --> 00:36:49.530
WHITES IS THAT FOR TOOLONG YOU'VE BEEN
00:36:49.630 --> 00:36:53.267
DOING THE TALKING.
00:36:53.367 --> 00:36:55.369
FOR TOO LONG YOU'VE BEENCREATING AND ADDING TO A
00:36:55.469 --> 00:37:00.741
LOT OF THE ISSUES WITHOUTEVEN REALIZING IT
00:37:00.841 --> 00:37:03.744
BECAUSE, CAN I GIVEYOU AN EXAMPLE?
00:37:03.844 --> 00:37:05.946
- PLEASE.
00:37:06.047 --> 00:37:07.181
- WE TALK ALL WEEK LONGIN OUR FAMILY ABOUT WHAT
00:37:07.281 --> 00:37:09.116
OUR RESPONSE WILL BE TOWHAT THE RESPONSE IS
00:37:09.216 --> 00:37:11.986
SHOULD ONE OF OUR BOYSGET PULLED OVER AND THEN
00:37:12.086 --> 00:37:15.156
YOU GO TO A PULPIT ANDTHERE'S SILENCE IN THE
00:37:15.256 --> 00:37:18.059
PULPIT. FOR TOO LONG WE'VEALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.729
I BELONG TO A CHURCHWHERE THE WHITE PASTOR
00:37:21.829 --> 00:37:24.165
REFUSES TO BE SILENT,AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
00:37:24.265 --> 00:37:26.967
THERE'S A COST WITH THAT,BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.
00:37:27.068 --> 00:37:29.770
BUT FOR TOO LONG WE'VEBEEN WILLING ACCOMPLICES
00:37:29.870 --> 00:37:34.608
TO THIS NOTION OFUNADDRESSED RACISM IN OUR
00:37:34.709 --> 00:37:40.715
SOCIETY, AND HERE'STHE BEAUTIFUL PART.
00:37:40.815 --> 00:37:44.352
IF THERE IS ABEAUTIFUL PART.
00:37:44.452 --> 00:37:46.387
THE BEAUTIFUL PART ISTHAT GOD SO DESIRES FOR
00:37:46.487 --> 00:37:51.392
US TO HUMBLE OURSELVES,2 CHRONICLES 7:14
00:37:51.492 --> 00:37:56.464
WASN'T WRITTEN FORYOUR NEIGHBOR, IT WAS
00:37:56.564 --> 00:37:58.165
WRITTEN FOR YOU, RIGHT?
00:37:58.265 --> 00:38:00.267
AND SO THE POINT THAT I'MTRYING TO MAKE TO MYSELF,
00:38:00.368 --> 00:38:03.871
TO MY WHITE BROTHERS ANDSISTERS IS IT HAS TO
00:38:03.971 --> 00:38:07.174
BEGIN WITH US, AND ITHAS TO BEGIN WITH LAYING
00:38:07.274 --> 00:38:10.077
ASIDE THE WEIGHTS, LAYINGASIDE THE WEAPONS, LAYING
00:38:10.177 --> 00:38:15.049
ASIDE ANYTHING THAT WOULDCAUSE YOU FROM NOT BEING
00:38:15.149 --> 00:38:19.053
IN RIGHT RELATIONSHIPWITH ALMIGHTY GOD WHICH
00:38:19.153 --> 00:38:21.522
IN TURN WOULD CAUSE YOUFROM NOT LISTENING TO
00:38:21.622 --> 00:38:24.358
YOUR BROTHER ANDTO YOUR SISTER.
00:38:24.458 --> 00:38:25.960
YOU KNOW WHAT THE CRYIS TODAY TO THE YOUNG
00:38:26.060 --> 00:38:28.129
PEOPLE, FROM THE YOUNGPEOPLE? LISTEN TO US.
00:38:28.229 --> 00:38:31.799
NOW, SOME OF THEIRPROTESTS ARE MISGUIDED.
00:38:31.899 --> 00:38:34.502
WE'VE HAD SOME LAPSEABOUT THE YOUNGER FOLKS,
00:38:34.602 --> 00:38:38.606
BUT SOME OF THEIRPROTESTS ARE DEFINITELY
00:38:38.706 --> 00:38:41.242
WITHOUT LEADERSHIP, BUTWHY ARE THEY PROTESTING?
00:38:41.342 --> 00:38:45.813
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUTTHE FACT THAT THESE FOLKS
00:38:45.913 --> 00:38:48.983
ALL OVER THE WORLD ARECRYING OUT LISTEN TO US.
00:38:49.083 --> 00:38:53.053
THE SAME THING JESUS WASSAYING IN THE GOSPELS,
00:38:53.154 --> 00:38:57.291
LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN TOTHE MARGINALIZED,
00:38:57.391 --> 00:39:01.996
STOP CONDEMNING THOSE WHOARE DISENFRANCHISED,
00:39:02.096 --> 00:39:05.566
STOP RIDICULING THOSE WHO AREON THE PERIPHERAL OF SOCIETY.
00:39:05.666 --> 00:39:09.069
IF I HEAR ONE MORE PERSONSAY WELL YOU'VE HAD EVERY
00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:12.706
OPPORTUNITY THATEVERYBODY ELSE HAS.
00:39:12.807 --> 00:39:16.444
IT'S NOT TRUE.THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
00:39:16.544 --> 00:39:19.747
THERE ARE VESTIGES OFSLAVERY THAT ARE STILL
00:39:19.847 --> 00:39:23.417
AFFECTING US TODAY.
00:39:23.517 --> 00:39:25.753
YOU KNOW WHAT, SLAVERYWAS LEGAL BUT IT WASN'T
00:39:25.853 --> 00:39:28.522
JUST, SO IF YOU LOOK ATPSALM 89, YOU SEE THE
00:39:28.622 --> 00:39:32.693
TWIN TOWERS ASPASTOR EVANS SAYS,
00:39:32.793 --> 00:39:34.962
OF RIGHTEOUSNESSAND JUSTICE.
00:39:35.062 --> 00:39:38.265
I JUST WANT FOR MYSELF,FOR MY WHITE BROTHERS AND
00:39:38.365 --> 00:39:43.070
SISTERS, TOREAD THE WORD.
00:39:43.170 --> 00:39:45.606
YOU KNOW IT'S AMAZING,JESUS WAS RADICAL.
00:39:45.706 --> 00:39:49.677
HE WAS OFFENSIVE.
00:39:49.777 --> 00:39:51.946
HE WASN'T PLAYING WITHBUNNIES AND PETTING SHEEP.
00:39:52.046 --> 00:39:56.317
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WEFOUND ANYWHERE IN THE
00:39:56.417 --> 00:39:59.787
WORLD A RADICAL CHURCHWHO WAS CRAZY ENOUGH TO
00:39:59.887 --> 00:40:04.391
FOLLOW THEWORDS OF JESUS.
00:40:04.492 --> 00:40:07.761
JUST IMAGINE THATFOR A MOMENT. ANYWAY.
00:40:07.862 --> 00:40:12.666
I DON'T KNOW IF IANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
00:40:12.766 --> 00:40:15.236
- I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IT.
00:40:15.336 --> 00:40:16.937
I'M SO CAPTIVATEDBY THE MOMENT,
00:40:17.037 --> 00:40:19.373
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBERWHAT I ASKED.
00:40:19.473 --> 00:40:21.175
- IT'S LIKE WE'RESITTING ON THE PORCH.
00:40:21.275 --> 00:40:23.677
- GOLLY!
00:40:23.777 --> 00:40:24.845
- WHERE IS THE SWEET TEA!
00:40:24.945 --> 00:40:26.180
[LAUGHTER]
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:27.882
- SO FIRST OF ALL, RICKRIGSBY, I LOVE YOU MAN.
00:40:27.982 --> 00:40:32.786
THIS IS JUST LIKE SITTINGWITH A FRIEND ON A PORCH
00:40:32.887 --> 00:40:37.591
AND YOU KNOW THERE IS AUNIQUENESS TO OUR SEASON,
00:40:37.691 --> 00:40:43.531
BUT IS IT-- LOOK, YOU HAVETO AGREE WITH THIS,
00:40:43.631 --> 00:40:49.403
JESUS IS THE ANSWER, OKAY?
00:40:49.503 --> 00:40:51.438
THE ANDRAE CROUCH SONG,JESUS IS THE ANSWER
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:53.207
FOR THE WORLD TODAY.SO THAT IS THE ANSWER.
00:40:53.307 --> 00:40:58.679
AND IF THERE'S SOMEONE--YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME,
00:40:58.779 --> 00:41:03.384
RIGHT, JESUS IS THE ANSWER.
00:41:03.484 --> 00:41:04.952
- AMEN.
00:41:05.052 --> 00:41:06.220
- SO ULTIMATELY, IFSOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.958
FAITH AND IF THEY'RE NOTREALLY LOOKING AT TODAY'S
00:41:11.058 --> 00:41:15.195
TROUBLE, WHATEVER IT IS,THROUGH THE EYES OF A
00:41:15.296 --> 00:41:18.098
BIBLICAL WORLD VIEW,IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
00:41:18.198 --> 00:41:24.772
SO THAT HAS TO BESOMETHING THAT WE DO NOW.
00:41:24.872 --> 00:41:30.444
SO IF SOMEBODY HASSTOPPED THAT IS LISTENING
00:41:30.544 --> 00:41:37.051
TO A REASONABLEEXPLANATION OF ALL OF
00:41:37.151 --> 00:41:42.656
THIS AND IS HEARINGREASON, OKAY, AND THEY
00:41:42.756 --> 00:41:47.394
ARE ALSO HEARING THATJESUS IS THE ANSWER,
00:41:47.494 --> 00:41:51.131
GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY.
00:41:51.231 --> 00:41:53.634
LOOK AT THE AUDIENCETHERE AND GIVE THEM AN
00:41:53.734 --> 00:41:56.437
OPPORTUNITY TO FINDEVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW
00:41:56.537 --> 00:41:59.607
TO BE THE ANSWER ANDHIS NAME IS JESUS.
00:41:59.707 --> 00:42:01.542
DO THAT FOR US.
00:42:01.642 --> 00:42:02.676
- THANK YOU BROTHER MATT.
00:42:02.776 --> 00:42:04.311
OH, FRIEND WHAT APRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO
00:42:04.411 --> 00:42:06.547
JUST SAY ONETHING TO YOU.
00:42:06.647 --> 00:42:11.085
I HAVE TRIED JESUSAND HE'S TRUE.
00:42:11.185 --> 00:42:15.055
JESUS TRUMPS RICKRIGSBY'S AGENDA.
00:42:15.155 --> 00:42:19.560
JESUS TRUMPS EVERY SINGLELABEL THAT I CLAIM.
00:42:19.660 --> 00:42:24.865
JESUS TRUMPS THE ENTIRETYOF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
00:42:24.965 --> 00:42:29.536
I'VE BEENPRIVILEGED TO GAIN.
00:42:29.637 --> 00:42:31.739
JESUS TRUMPS EVERYONE OF MY RACIAL
00:42:31.839 --> 00:42:35.209
PROFILING EXPERIENCES.
00:42:35.309 --> 00:42:38.112
JESUS TRUMPS THE HORRORAND THE CALAMITY THAT MY
00:42:38.212 --> 00:42:43.250
GREAT GRANDPARENTS ANDGREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS
00:42:43.350 --> 00:42:46.720
AND PARENTS FACED IN AWORLD THAT WAS JUST UGLY
00:42:46.820 --> 00:42:53.027
TO ITS BROWN ANDBLACK PEOPLE.
00:42:53.127 --> 00:42:55.496
JESUS TRUMPS ALLOF THAT PAIN.
00:42:55.596 --> 00:43:00.100
THERE IS HOPE AT THEREVELATION FOUND IN JESUS.
00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:04.238
IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT,I WOULDN'T BE SITTING
00:43:04.338 --> 00:43:06.807
HERE ON THIS NETWORK.
00:43:06.907 --> 00:43:08.409
I HAVE TO BELIEVE THATA BETTER DAY IS COMING.
00:43:08.509 --> 00:43:12.279
MARTIN KING SAID WE'REEITHER GONNA LEARN TO
00:43:12.379 --> 00:43:15.149
LIVE TOGETHER AS BROTHERSAND SISTERS OR WE'LL
00:43:15.249 --> 00:43:18.419
PERISH TOGETHER AS FOOLS.
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.220
GOD IS GIVING US ONE MORECHANCE TO LAY ASIDE THE
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.991
WEIGHTS AND TO MAKETHE WORD OF GOD HIS
00:43:24.091 --> 00:43:29.496
AUTHORITY, HISAUTHORITY, IN OUR LIVES.
00:43:29.596 --> 00:43:34.168
FRIENDS, WOULD YOU DO IT?
00:43:34.268 --> 00:43:36.036
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAYJESUS, COME INTO MY LIFE.
00:43:36.136 --> 00:43:39.473
YOU CAN EVENSAY I'M SCARED.
00:43:39.573 --> 00:43:41.508
I'M SCARED TO LETGO OF TRADITIONS.
00:43:41.608 --> 00:43:44.178
I'M SCARED TO LET GO OFBELIEFS. I GET THAT.
00:43:44.278 --> 00:43:47.448
PLEASE, RIGHT NOW SAYJESUS, COME INTO MY LIFE
00:43:47.548 --> 00:43:51.351
IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOUNEVER HAVE BEFORE AND BE
00:43:51.452 --> 00:43:54.054
REAL TO ME, AND REVEALYOUR NATURE TO ME.
00:43:54.154 --> 00:43:59.126
HOLY SPIRIT, FILLME RIGHT NOW.
00:43:59.226 --> 00:44:01.829
PLEASE DO THAT.
00:44:01.929 --> 00:44:03.530
I'M TELLING YOU FRIEND,GUESS WHERE HE'LL GUIDE YOU?
00:44:03.630 --> 00:44:06.767
HE'LL GUIDE YOU TO YOURKNEES WHERE YOU WILL DIE
00:44:06.867 --> 00:44:10.137
DAILY SO THAT YOU CANLIVE VICTORIOUSLY FOR
00:44:10.237 --> 00:44:13.674
HIM, NOT SEEING LIBERALOR CONSERVATIVE, OR
00:44:13.774 --> 00:44:18.879
BLACK, BROWN OR WHITE,NOT SEEING THE PAIN OF
00:44:18.979 --> 00:44:22.583
YOUR ANCESTORS BUTTHE HOPE OF GLORY.
00:44:22.683 --> 00:44:25.552
FRIEND, THAT'S THEONLY WAY I STAY SANE.
00:44:25.652 --> 00:44:28.756
I SEE THE SAME NEWS YOU SEE.I HEAR THE COMMENTS
00:44:28.856 --> 00:44:32.726
FROM MY FRIENDSTHAT MAKE ME CRY.
00:44:32.826 --> 00:44:36.930
BUT MY HOPE IS IN NOTHINGLESS THAN JESUS
00:44:37.030 --> 00:44:41.401
BLOOD AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.
00:44:41.502 --> 00:44:44.071
- MATT: THANK YOU LORD.
00:44:44.171 --> 00:44:45.839
MIGHTY GOD.
00:44:45.939 --> 00:44:48.275
- I DON'T KNOW IF IANSWERED THE CALL,
00:44:48.375 --> 00:44:50.310
BUT I TELL YOU THIS,JESUS WILL.
00:44:50.410 --> 00:44:53.080
YOU CALL ON HIM.
00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:55.415
THOSE OF YOU WHO AREINDIFFERENT, CALL ON HIM.
00:44:55.516 --> 00:44:58.252
THOSE OF YOU WHO ARESCARED AND DON'T WANT TO
00:44:58.352 --> 00:45:02.156
SPEAK OUT, CALL ON JESUS.
00:45:02.256 --> 00:45:04.258
ASK JESUS WHAT HEWANTS YOU TO DO.
00:45:04.358 --> 00:45:06.593
WE'RE ALL TO PAYA PRICE DAILY.
00:45:06.693 --> 00:45:09.530
THAT'S CALLED BEINGCRUCIFIED DAILY.
00:45:09.630 --> 00:45:13.033
GOD IS CALLING EVERYSINGLE ONE OF YOU
00:45:13.133 --> 00:45:16.804
LISTENING TODO SOMETHING.
00:45:16.904 --> 00:45:19.940
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TOBE INDIFFERENT OR SILENT.
00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:22.876
THIS IS THE TIME TO SAYOH, WRETCHED MAN THAT I
00:45:22.976 --> 00:45:25.779
AM, WHO WILL DELIVER MEFROM THIS BODY OF DEATH
00:45:25.879 --> 00:45:29.216
THAT I MAY GLORIFY YOUIN EVERYTHING THAT I DO?
00:45:29.316 --> 00:45:32.953
THAT'S WHAT GOD IS SAYINGTO THIS GENERATION.
00:45:33.053 --> 00:45:37.324
WILL WE LISTEN?WILL WE LISTEN?
00:45:37.424 --> 00:45:40.527
WILL WE LISTEN?
00:45:40.627 --> 00:45:42.462
BECAUSE WHEN WE DO, THEHEALING WILL OCCUR HERE,
00:45:42.563 --> 00:45:46.733
AND WHEN WE SEE HEALINGHERE, I BELIEVE MATT AND
00:45:46.834 --> 00:45:50.737
LAURIE, WE'LL SEE IT OUTTHERE IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
00:45:50.838 --> 00:46:01.515
- SELAH. RICK...
00:46:01.615 --> 00:46:06.086
- DID I MAKETHAT UGLY FACE?
00:46:06.186 --> 00:46:09.723
- YOU DID. YEAH.
00:46:09.823 --> 00:46:12.159
I GUESS THE QUESTION ISARE YOU OKAY WITH WOMEN
00:46:12.259 --> 00:46:16.230
PILOTS NOW IN 2020?
00:46:16.330 --> 00:46:19.967
HAVE YOU---HAVE YOUTAKEN YOUR OWN ADVICE?
00:46:20.067 --> 00:46:26.406
- OH, YES I HAVE BROTHER.
00:46:26.506 --> 00:46:28.609
YES, I HAVE. I'M GOOD.
00:46:28.709 --> 00:46:30.944
- DOESN'T IT FEEL GOODTO JUST SIT IN THE
00:46:31.044 --> 00:46:36.183
PRESENCE OF THE LORD?
00:46:36.283 --> 00:46:37.551
DOESN'T IT JUST FEEL GOODTO BREAK BREAD WITH ONE
00:46:37.651 --> 00:46:42.089
ANOTHER. DOESN'T IT FEELGOOD TO COME AND SIT HERE?
00:46:42.189 --> 00:46:45.893
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITFEELS LIKE IN YOUR LIVING
00:46:45.993 --> 00:46:49.529
ROOM OR YOUR JAIL CELL ORWHEREVER YOU'RE WATCHING
00:46:49.630 --> 00:46:53.233
THIS PROGRAM, BUT RIGHTHERE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S
00:46:53.333 --> 00:46:56.970
AN UNABIDING PRESENCE OFGOD HERE AND OF LOVE AND
00:46:57.070 --> 00:47:02.409
OF GOODNESS, AND YOUKNOW WHAT, IF THAT COULD
00:47:02.509 --> 00:47:05.012
SPILL OUT INTO THESTREETS, RICK,
00:47:05.112 --> 00:47:08.749
YOU'VE TAPPED INTO IT.
00:47:08.849 --> 00:47:11.652
THERE IS A FEELINGIN THIS STUDIO OF
00:47:11.752 --> 00:47:18.625
PERFECTION, AND IT'STHE PERSON OF JESUS.
00:47:18.725 --> 00:47:23.163
WE'VE BEEN MINISTERING TOOURSELVES BECAUSE OF HIM.
00:47:23.263 --> 00:47:28.235
- JESUS SAYS THAT TWOOR THREE ARE GATHERED
00:47:28.335 --> 00:47:31.738
TOGETHER, THAT'S WHAT ILOVE ABOUT TBN, THAT THIS
00:47:31.838 --> 00:47:36.343
ISN'T JUST US THREE,IT'S ALL OF US HERE.
00:47:36.443 --> 00:47:39.846
WE'RE WITH YOU, YOU'REWITH US, AND JESUS SAYS
00:47:39.947 --> 00:47:43.417
WHERE TWO OR THREE, THEREAM I IN THE MIDST OF YOU.
00:47:43.517 --> 00:47:46.586
AND THAT ISPERFECT HEALING.
00:47:46.687 --> 00:47:49.356
THAT IS PERFECT WHOLENESS.THAT IS PERFECT GRACE.
00:47:49.456 --> 00:47:53.060
THAT'S PERFECT SALVATION.
00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:55.262
THAT'S PERFECT HEALINGACROSS THE BOARD THAT IF
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YOU HAVE THE HOPE INJESUS CHRIST, THE LOVE,
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THE AGAPE LOVE, WE GETHIS LOVE, WE GET HIS
00:48:05.038 --> 00:48:07.474
FAITH, WHEN WE TAKE ON,IT SAYS I AM IN CHRIST
00:48:07.574 --> 00:48:11.778
AND IN CHRIST I WILLDWELL, I AM IN HIM, YOU
00:48:11.878 --> 00:48:16.650
ARE IN HIM, WE ARE ALLIN CHRIST, AND IF WE CAN
00:48:16.750 --> 00:48:20.787
WALK THAT OUT, AND IFYOU PROFESS CHRIST AS YOUR
00:48:20.887 --> 00:48:25.325
LEADER, AS YOUR MASTERAND YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR,
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THEN ACT LIKE IT IN THEWORD OF RICK RIGSBY,
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ACT LIKE IT. TAKE ITTO THE STREETS.
00:48:32.332 --> 00:48:35.068
TAKE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.
00:48:35.168 --> 00:48:36.903
TAKE IT TO YOURCOMMUNITY.
00:48:37.004 --> 00:48:38.472
TAKE IT TO YOURWORKPLACE.
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TAKE THE LOVE OF GOD,TAKE YOURSELF IN CHRIST
00:48:40.240 --> 00:48:43.777
TO YOUR LIFE, TO YOURWORLD AND LET'S CHANGE
00:48:43.877 --> 00:48:49.316
THE WORLD TAKINGIT TO THE STREETS.
00:48:49.416 --> 00:48:51.651
THAT'S WHATWE'RE GONNA DO.
00:48:51.752 --> 00:48:53.520
RICK, WE'RE GONNADO IT TOGETHER.
00:48:53.620 --> 00:48:55.389
IT'S GONNA HAPPENON OUR WATCH.
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- AMEN.
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- THE UNITY OFTHE BODY OF CHRIST.
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- YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RERIGHT SISTER LAURIE.
00:49:00.627 --> 00:49:02.362
WE CAN ALL QUOTE "AND THEWORD OF GOD BECAME FLESH
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AND BLOOD ANDDWELLED AMONG US."
00:49:05.399 --> 00:49:07.134
I LOVE THE WAY EUGENEPETERSON SAYS IT IN THE
00:49:07.234 --> 00:49:08.935
MESSAGE, "AND THE WORDBECAME FLESH AND MOVED
00:49:09.036 --> 00:49:12.005
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD."
00:49:12.105 --> 00:49:13.974
THAT'S EXACTLY WHATYOU'RE SAYING.
00:49:14.074 --> 00:49:15.709
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TODO AND THAT'S EACH
00:49:15.809 --> 00:49:17.544
AND EVERY ONE OF US.
00:49:17.644 --> 00:49:19.346
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULDEXPECT ANYTHING TO CHANGE
00:49:19.446 --> 00:49:22.549
UNTIL WE ALLOWGOD TO CHANGE US.
00:49:22.649 --> 00:49:25.585
- HOW DO WE STAND,BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED A
00:49:25.685 --> 00:49:31.024
WHILE AGO THAT YOU'VEBEEN SURPRISED BY EVEN
00:49:31.124 --> 00:49:34.294
YOUR BROTHERS ANDSISTERS, FRIENDS THAT WE
00:49:34.394 --> 00:49:36.129
LOVE AND WHAT THEY HAVESAID ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:49:36.229 --> 00:49:39.032
IT'S LIKE WHO ARE YOU ANDWHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH
00:49:39.132 --> 00:49:44.237
JESUS, YOU KNOW, WITH THEWORDS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING
00:49:44.337 --> 00:49:48.542
TOGETHER. HOW CAN WE STANDUP FOR THE THINGS THAT
00:49:48.642 --> 00:49:52.212
GOD HAS CALLED US TODO AND DO IT IN LOVE.
00:49:52.312 --> 00:49:56.650
- YOU KNOW, THAT IS THEMILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
00:49:56.750 --> 00:49:59.319
I NOW SEE THE GENIUS OF ATHIRD GRADE DROPOUT AND A
00:49:59.419 --> 00:50:02.722
COUNTRY MOTHER WHO WOULDSAY WELL, SON, NOW YOU
00:50:02.823 --> 00:50:05.325
KNOW EVERYBODY HAS THEIRPOINT OF VIEW, AND YOU'VE
00:50:05.425 --> 00:50:08.228
JUST GOT TO KEEP GOINGWITH YOUR HEAD LIFTED UP.
00:50:08.328 --> 00:50:11.965
YOU KNOW, I AM LEARNING,EVERY DAY I GET AN EMAIL
00:50:12.065 --> 00:50:15.969
THAT JUST MAKES ME CRYFROM GOOD CHRISTIANS,
00:50:16.069 --> 00:50:20.273
FROM WELL-INTENDEDCHRISTIANS WHO ARE SAYING
00:50:20.373 --> 00:50:24.111
SOME HORRIBLE THINGSBECAUSE OF A POLITICAL
00:50:24.211 --> 00:50:27.447
BENT, AND I JUST THINKWHAT JESUS, WHAT JESUS
00:50:27.547 --> 00:50:34.588
ARE YOU READING ABOUT?
00:50:34.688 --> 00:50:38.058
CLEARLY YOU'RE NOTREADING ABOUT THE ONE WHO
00:50:38.158 --> 00:50:40.827
STOPPED AT AWELL IN SAMARIA.
00:50:40.927 --> 00:50:44.598
WHAT JESUS ARE YOUREADING ABOUT?
00:50:44.698 --> 00:50:47.267
AND SO TO ANSWER YOURQUESTION, I BELIEVE THAT
00:50:47.367 --> 00:50:50.070
I WAS TRAINED BYGENIUSES, A DROPOUT,
00:50:50.170 --> 00:50:55.642
TO SAY WELL SON, KEEPMOVING, KEEP YOUR HEAD
00:50:55.742 --> 00:50:59.579
UP, KEEP LOOKING TOCHRIST, KEEP LOOKING
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.617
BECAUSE LAURIE, I'M GONNATELL YOU, IF I FOCUS ON
00:51:03.717 --> 00:51:07.521
THE UGLINESS THAT I READAND SEE EVERY DAY,
00:51:07.621 --> 00:51:11.525
I WOULD BE USELESS.
00:51:11.625 --> 00:51:13.360
I DON'T WANT TO BEUSELESS IN THE KINGDOM.
00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:16.096
I WANT TO BE THAT TREETHAT BEARS FRUIT.
00:51:16.196 --> 00:51:18.732
SO MY PLEDGE IS UNTIL THEDAY I DIE, I PRAY THAT I
00:51:18.832 --> 00:51:22.702
DIE DAILY UNTIL THE DAYTHAT I PHYSICALLY DIE SO
00:51:22.802 --> 00:51:26.640
THAT I CAN HEAR WHAT HE'SSAYING AND DO WHAT
00:51:26.740 --> 00:51:30.177
HE WANTS ME TO DO.
00:51:30.277 --> 00:51:32.612
AND THAT CAN ONLYHAPPEN IF I LOOK UP.
00:51:32.712 --> 00:51:36.016
IF I LOOK STRAIGHTAHEAD, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
00:51:36.116 --> 00:51:38.418
I'LL HEAR EVERYTHING THATI DON'T NEED TO HEAR.
00:51:38.518 --> 00:51:40.921
MY FATHER GAVE ME SOMEGREAT MARITAL ADVICE ONCE.
00:51:41.021 --> 00:51:44.024
MY MOTHER, I GET MYTALKING FROM MY MOTHER
00:51:44.124 --> 00:51:46.393
AND SHE COULD REALLY--
00:51:46.493 --> 00:51:49.362
AND I SAID DADDY, HOWDO YOU DEAL WITH HER?
00:51:49.462 --> 00:51:51.998
I WAS PROBABLYIN MY EARLY 40S.
00:51:52.098 --> 00:51:54.401
I SAID DADDY, TALK TO MEDADDY, PLEASE BABY TALK TO ME.
00:51:54.501 --> 00:51:58.438
AND HE SAID SON, I HAVELEARNED TO BE A LITTLE
00:51:58.538 --> 00:52:01.007
BIT DEAF AND ALITTLE BIT BLIND.
00:52:01.107 --> 00:52:03.577
THAT HAS HELPED ME ALOT IN MY MARRIAGE.
00:52:03.677 --> 00:52:06.079
BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.THE POINT IS THIS.
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:11.017
I AM NOT DEAF TO WHATI HEAR OUT THERE.
00:52:11.117 --> 00:52:14.054
I AM NOT BLIND TOWHAT I SEE OUT THERE.
00:52:14.154 --> 00:52:16.456
WE'RE IN A TUMULTUOUSSITUATION THAT'S PLACING
00:52:16.556 --> 00:52:19.559
A DEMAND UPON US FROMALMIGHTY GOD TO REPENT
00:52:19.659 --> 00:52:22.329
AND HUMBLE OURSELVES ANDPRAY AND SEEK HIS FACE.
00:52:22.429 --> 00:52:25.031
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I CHOOSETO BE DEAF AND BLIND TO?
00:52:25.131 --> 00:52:28.301
ALL THE THINGS THATPEOPLE SAY AND ALL THE
00:52:28.401 --> 00:52:31.338
THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO INTHE NAME OF JESUS THAT
00:52:31.438 --> 00:52:35.575
LOOK AND SOUND NOTHINGLIKE JESUS BECAUSE IF YOU
00:52:35.675 --> 00:52:40.580
START FOCUSING ON THAT, IWOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PREACH.
00:52:40.680 --> 00:52:44.517
I WOULDN'T BE ABLETO SEEK THE LORD.
00:52:44.618 --> 00:52:47.153
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TOHELP MY FOUR BOYS
00:52:47.254 --> 00:52:49.990
AND MY GRANDCHILDRENWHO ARE PRODUCTS OF
00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:52.392
MULTI-ETHNIC RELATIONSHIPS.
00:52:52.492 --> 00:52:55.428
BOTH MY SONS AREMARRIED TO WHITE GIRLS.
00:52:55.528 --> 00:52:57.998
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TOPOINT TO JESUS IF IT WAS
00:52:58.098 --> 00:53:02.569
ALL ABOUT WHAT I SAW ANDALL ABOUT WHAT I HEARD
00:53:02.669 --> 00:53:06.539
THAT WOULD OVERWHELM MYSENSE OF CHRIST JUST LIKE
00:53:06.640 --> 00:53:12.612
THE CONDITIONS OF THISWORLD HAVE OVERWHELMED
00:53:12.712 --> 00:53:16.149
THE THEOLOGY OFCHRIST IN OUR SOCIETY.
00:53:16.249 --> 00:53:18.818
MAY THAT NEVERBE SAID ABOUT US.
00:53:18.918 --> 00:53:21.454
MAY IT NEVER BESAID ABOUT US.
00:53:21.554 --> 00:53:23.790
- RICK, IT'S UM,IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL
00:53:23.890 --> 00:53:33.333
EXPERIENCE TO SIT HERE.IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL.
00:53:33.433 --> 00:53:36.469
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, YOUKNOW, WE'VE GOT IN THE
00:53:36.569 --> 00:53:43.777
LAST 90 SECONDS HERE, IJUST KIND OF WANT TO GIVE
00:53:43.877 --> 00:53:48.515
YOU THE FINAL WORD.
00:53:48.615 --> 00:53:50.383
JUST KIND OF TAKE USOUT AND I WANT THE LAST
00:53:50.483 --> 00:53:56.122
LITTLE BIT TOCOME FROM YOU.
00:53:56.222 --> 00:53:59.225
- I COULD COME HERE WITHFACTS, I COULD COME HERE
00:53:59.326 --> 00:54:01.261
WITH FIGURES, I COULDCOME HERE WITH DEFENSES,
00:54:01.361 --> 00:54:04.431
I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLESAY WELL THERE'S NO SUCH
00:54:04.531 --> 00:54:07.067
THING AS SYSTEMIC RACISM.
00:54:07.167 --> 00:54:09.269
I COULD COME HERE ANDTALK TO YOU ABOUT PLESSY
00:54:09.369 --> 00:54:11.237
VERSUS FERGUSON IN 1896WHERE THE SUPREME COURT
00:54:11.338 --> 00:54:16.109
MADE IT LEGAL FOR SEPARATEAND EQUAL FACILITIES.
00:54:16.209 --> 00:54:20.046
DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
00:54:20.146 --> 00:54:22.015
ACCORDING TO PETER, MYDEFENSE IS THE GOSPEL OF
00:54:22.115 --> 00:54:25.418
JESUS, THE LIVING CHRIST.
00:54:25.518 --> 00:54:29.689
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THATI WANT TO LEAVE HERE WITH
00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:34.194
IS THAT MATT AND LAURIE,WHEN I SEE YOU,
00:54:34.294 --> 00:54:37.397
I SEE JESUS.
00:54:37.497 --> 00:54:41.134
I PRAY WHEN YOU SEE METHAT YOU WOULD SEE JESUS.
00:54:41.234 --> 00:54:45.538
MY PRAYER IS THATPREACHERS WOULD START
00:54:45.638 --> 00:54:47.741
PROCLAIMING THETRUTH OF GOD'S WORD.
00:54:47.841 --> 00:54:50.977
MY PRAYER IS THAT THOSEIN THE PEWS WOULD START
00:54:51.077 --> 00:54:54.247
RECEIVING THE TRUTH OFGOD'S WORD TO THE POINT
00:54:54.347 --> 00:54:57.851
THAT WE REALIZE THATWE'RE ALL PART OF
00:54:57.951 --> 00:54:59.786
THE SAME RACE.
00:54:59.886 --> 00:55:02.422
- OUR TIME WITHRICK RIGSBY.
00:55:02.522 --> 00:55:04.624
RICK, I LOVE YOU MY FRIEND.
00:55:04.724 --> 00:55:08.995
- WE LOVE YOU.
00:55:09.095 --> 00:55:10.497
- WE PRAY THAT OURAUDIENCE RECEIVES THE
00:55:10.597 --> 00:55:12.999
WORDS THAT WE'VE HEARD, THEWISDOM AND GOODNESS FROM YOU.
00:55:13.099 --> 00:55:17.370
WE LOVE YOU FRIEND.
00:55:17.470 --> 00:55:18.605
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
00:55:18.705 --> 00:55:20.373
BYE-BYE.
00:55:20.473 --> 00:55:21.908
♪♪♪
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