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Praise | Francis Chan | April 28, 2020

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Announcer]Tonight on "Praise,"
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  • from Los Angeles and Hong Kong,
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  • founder of Crazy Love Ministries
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  • and bestsellingauthor, Francis Chan.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • And now Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • (whooshing)(audience cheering)
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  • - Tuesday, April 28th, 2020.
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  • Okay, COVID-19 is aninternational event.
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  • - Francis Chan from Hong Kong.
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  • - Aw, Francis.
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  • (Francis chuckles)- You know, you basically,
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  • a lot of people know your story.
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  • We're gonna maybe dial intothat story a little bit,
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  • but let's catch up justright here, right now.
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  • We're talking aboutbeing April 28th, 2020.
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  • You're in HongKong live right now
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  • while we're doingthis broadcast.
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  • (Laurie chuckles)
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  • And let me just say it this way.
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  • You basically walkedaway from Cornerstone,
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  • your mega church thatwas in the Simi Valley
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  • here in southern California,
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  • and you pioneered adifferent kind of church.
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  • Inside of the season thatwe're dealing with right now,
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  • it seems super (sighs),let's say connected.
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  • Let's say, there's awhole bunch of adjectives
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  • that we could, but I thinkwe wanna hear from you
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  • and church inside of thisunique season, global pandemic.
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  • - Yeah, when I wasat Cornerstone,
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  • I was feeling greatabout everything,
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  • but then just had somebiblical convictions.
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  • I mean, the eldersand I both are looking
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  • at scripture and going, "Gosh."
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  • We read about thechurch in scripture.
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  • It seems so powerful, sodeeply, supernaturally loving,
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  • and it had the supernaturalunity and power,
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  • and the fact thatJesus wanted his church
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  • to be known for the waythat they loved each other.
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  • We thought, "We're not that."
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  • So it's very muchlike when you see sin
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  • or something wrongin your own life.
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  • You go, "I need to change it.
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  • "I need to change that."
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  • We as elders lookedat the church,
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  • and we felt like, biblically,we see some things
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  • that are off, and weneed to change those
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  • whatever it takes.
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  • And so that's how itstarted, was this mindset
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  • of this is way toodependent on me.
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  • If I were to leave, thatwould really change things,
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  • and it seems like wehave so much power,
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  • according to scripture,and that every person
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  • in that congregationhad tremendous gifting.
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  • Not just, "Oh I canhelp with this."
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  • But no, miraculous, spiritual,
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  • of the holy spirit of Godhimself type of gifting.
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  • And how do we releasethat kind of army?
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  • And so it started witha biblical conviction,
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  • and then there werejust some logical things
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  • of as we were thinking aboutbuilding this giant building
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  • and then maybe abig amphitheater.
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  • The whole thing was like,
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  • but what if somethinghappens to you?
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  • It just made a lot of sense,
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  • especially when someelders were talking to me
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  • about the undergroundchurch in China,
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  • and going, "Look how therewasn't one strong leader,
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  • "and it was the everydayperson sharing the gospel.
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  • "And they made itthrough persecution,
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  • "And it multiplied tremendouslythrough persecution.
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  • "Don't you want to leavebehind that kind of church?"
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  • And all those things, I wasjust saying, "Amen, amen."
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  • But it's a (laughs) veryhard machine to turn,
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  • and (inhales) ah, it was adifficult, difficult time.
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  • And honestly, Iwas just ignorant,
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  • and I didn't know howto lead the church
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  • into what I was thinking.
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  • I don't even think I had aclear picture at the time.
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  • I just knew somethinghad to change,
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  • but I didn't knowhow to change it.
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  • And so I was frustrated.
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  • I think I wasfrustrating the people,
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  • even hurting the peoplejust out of my inability
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  • to lead them properly.
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  • - So you basicallytraveled for a season.
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  • Then the Lord gave you--
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  • - Yeah.- an assignment,
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  • that you ended up fulfillingthere in San Francisco,
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  • and you pioneered a style ofchurch that, as it turns out,
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  • could have been somewhatpandemic resistant.
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  • Where did all that come from?
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  • And explain it, becausechurches are closed.
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  • I don't know if they'reclosed all over the world,
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  • but they're closedhere in America.
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  • Easter was a few weeks ago,and it was the first time ever
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  • that churches were closed.
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  • I mean, this hasbeen a huge thing,
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  • but you pioneered a systemof church in San Francisco
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  • that probably wasn't muchaffected by the pandemic.
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  • - Yeah, and I think this is
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  • where it gets a littleprophetic, maybea lot prophetic.
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  • After I left(laughs) Simi Valley,
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  • we traveled to Thailand,India, a mainland,
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  • and then here in Hong Kong.
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  • And when we got to Hong Kong,
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  • my wife and I both, who I'mnot even sure we believed
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  • in hearing the voiceof God at that point.
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  • (Laurie laughs)- Wow.
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  • - We both felt individually,separate from one another,
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  • felt like God said, "You'regonna move here to Hong Kong."
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  • - Wow.
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  • - But then as wetold each other that,
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  • and we're kindafreaking out about it,
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  • like, "I think this is wherewe're supposed to stay."
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  • You know, we'relooking at schools,
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  • looking at apartments,and then when I was alone
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  • with the Lord onehere in the city,
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  • I really felt likeGod communicated to me
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  • and said, "Not yet.
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  • "First go back to the US.
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  • "I want you to show anew paradigm of church.
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  • "I want it to be exactly thedirection you were heading,
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  • "but you were afraidand didn't know
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  • "how to do it,but I'm asking you
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  • "to go back and preparethe church for the future.
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  • "'Cause it's going to bedifferent in the future."
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  • And that was overwhelming.
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  • One, I didn't wantto go back to the US,
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  • because I was loving being onthis journey with my family,
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  • not having a home, andit's such a powerful thing
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  • to live day to day,trusting in God that way.
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  • But two, it wasoverwhelming to me.
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  • I thought, God, I couldn'ttalk one church into changing.
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  • How do I set aparadigm like this?
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  • And so again, myhuman fears happened.
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  • And so all of thisgives you some backdrop
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  • to it was biblical.
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  • It made sense to me logically,
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  • but then I really felt likeI heard a word from the Lord.
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  • So when I went back to theUS and ended up landing
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  • in San Francisco, wedid start a gathering
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  • that I wanted itto be resilient.
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  • I wanted the people to beable to survive anything.
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  • So it's like my own children.
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  • I wanted to startlooking at the people
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  • in my congregation like Ilook at my own children.
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  • I want to prepare themfor when I'm gone.
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  • I wanna know that when theyturn 18, I prepared them well,
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  • and I could drop themoff in a country or city
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  • where there's notanother believer there,
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  • but they would knowhow to survive.
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  • And they would know howto walk with the Lord,
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  • and they would knowhow to make disciples.
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  • And they could gather peoplein the name of the Lord
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  • and enjoy hispresence in communion.
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  • And I thought, "Okay,that's the type
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  • "of church I wanna create.
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  • "Oh God, please, that'sthe type of church I see
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  • "in scripture, thatyou want to create.
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  • "Can I be a piece of that?
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  • "Can I treat these peoplelike my own children
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  • "so that if I'm gone,if buildings are gone,
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  • "these big services are gone."
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  • Because I thought,
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  • "We can't afford thiseconomically forever."
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  • This is great in a seasonwhere we're loaded,
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  • but what if somethinghappens to the economy?
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  • And it works fine ifthe government is okay
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  • with us meeting the way we do.
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  • And it's okay if the worldallows us to keep meeting
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  • even though our morality iscontrary to that of Hollywood.
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  • But what if things change?
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  • Is the church prepared for that?
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  • So those were all thethings that we were thinking
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  • in San Francisco whenwe started the church,
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  • but (laughs) we had no ideathis pandemic was coming,
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  • obviously.
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  • - You said a phrase,that you feel
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  • like it was prophetic,maybe a little prophetic.
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  • (Laurie laughs)No, wait a second.
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  • A lot prophetic.
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  • You basically pioneeredand really served there,
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  • it was eight or nineyears, wasn't it
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  • there in San Francisco?- Yeah.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Seven years.
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  • - Seven years, sowalk us through
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  • what you think thatprophetic gesture was.
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  • You called it a church paradigm,
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  • a paradigm shift in church.
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  • It just happens to bepandemic proof, somewhat,
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  • and what is it?
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  • What are you talking about?
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  • - Yeah, so I began justwalking the streets,
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  • just sharing thegospel with people,
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  • getting rejected left and right,
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  • but also seeing somefruit, and seeing others
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  • that wanted to join with me.
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  • - And eventuallyI just said, hey,
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  • can we just gatherin my living room?
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  • I just wanna talk to youguys about the church
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  • and what I see in scripture
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  • and see if youguys are interested
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  • and the idea was, hey, you guys,
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  • I don't even know wherewe're going with this.
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  • All I know is thescripture says I'm supposed
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  • to love you like family
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  • and so not everyonewants to get this close
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  • and if that's notyou, that's fine.
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  • There's places you can attend.
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  • But what I wanna createin this home is a family,
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  • where we love eachother like that,
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  • where I see in the early church.
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  • Like, my possessionsaren't my own,
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  • my house is your house,but really mean that.
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  • I told them, look,
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  • I'm not gonna be yourpastor forever either.
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  • Okay?
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  • This is the other thingabout this is what I wanna do
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  • is disciple likefour of you deeply
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  • and in six months to a year,
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  • we're gonna split andwe're gonna multiply
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  • and I won't beleading either church.
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  • So if you're coming 'causeyou think I'm gonna teach
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  • you for the rest of yourlife, that's not it.
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  • I wanna prepare a couple of you
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  • to lead one group and acouple to lead the other
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  • and I want this to be the mode,
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  • the way in which we do things,
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  • that every nine months or so,
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  • we multiply and again,this was a guess.
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  • I go, I've never doneanything like this.
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  • Let's just try itand see what happens,
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  • but are you in with that?
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  • Because this isn'tlike sit and watch,
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  • but everyone'sgotta get involved
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  • and I believe everysingle one of you
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  • has a supernaturalgift of the holy spirit
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  • that God wants toexercise through you
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  • and I think there'ssomething in you
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  • that knows I was made for more
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  • and I wanna lovepeople to this degree.
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  • - So the paradigm was thatyou're trying to basically
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  • bring someone in for asix month to a year stint
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  • and then split that group off.
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  • So you're trying to getrid of your congregants,
  • 00:12:12.621 --> 00:12:15.257
  • not collect them?- Divide it.
  • 00:12:15.257 --> 00:12:17.059
  • - Yes, yes.
  • 00:12:17.059 --> 00:12:17.993
  • We're trying to send them out.
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  • Get rid maybe isa little strong.
  • 00:12:19.461 --> 00:12:21.463
  • (laughing)
  • 00:12:21.463 --> 00:12:23.032
  • And the thing is, is it's notlike the relationship ended.
  • 00:12:23.032 --> 00:12:26.869
  • I'm grandpa now.
  • 00:12:28.237 --> 00:12:29.872
  • It's just like I had twoof my daughters married off
  • 00:12:29.872 --> 00:12:32.842
  • and so in a senseI got rid of them.
  • 00:12:32.842 --> 00:12:36.145
  • (laughing)
  • 00:12:36.145 --> 00:12:37.613
  • But I really did send themoff and it was a rush,
  • 00:12:37.613 --> 00:12:41.050
  • it was a thrill becausethey were ready.
  • 00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:44.486
  • - Okay, so you meet in homes,
  • 00:12:44.486 --> 00:12:46.288
  • you get a small group going,
  • 00:12:46.288 --> 00:12:48.123
  • and you agree that insix months to a year,
  • 00:12:48.123 --> 00:12:51.627
  • you're gonna split thatgroup off and multiply?
  • 00:12:51.627 --> 00:12:55.497
  • So that in essence,your model is a model
  • 00:12:55.497 --> 00:12:58.701
  • of multiplication, notcollection of saints
  • 00:12:58.701 --> 00:13:02.738
  • that turns into a megachurch.
  • 00:13:02.738 --> 00:13:04.273
  • You already been there andyou had already done that.
  • 00:13:04.273 --> 00:13:07.243
  • So the missinglink was you said,
  • 00:13:07.243 --> 00:13:10.679
  • and I know enough aboutyour story Francis,
  • 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.182
  • that you said that youhad leaders in your church
  • 00:13:13.182 --> 00:13:16.986
  • that were never gonnabe who they are supposed
  • 00:13:16.986 --> 00:13:19.889
  • to be until you left.
  • 00:13:19.889 --> 00:13:22.091
  • No matter how muchyou let them preach,
  • 00:13:22.091 --> 00:13:24.293
  • no matter how much.
  • 00:13:24.293 --> 00:13:25.527
  • You were the senior pastor,
  • 00:13:25.527 --> 00:13:27.196
  • you were the main figure,
  • 00:13:27.196 --> 00:13:28.464
  • and until FrancisChan left Cornerstone,
  • 00:13:28.464 --> 00:13:32.334
  • there were people thatwere never gonna grow up
  • 00:13:32.334 --> 00:13:34.904
  • to their full potential.
  • 00:13:34.904 --> 00:13:36.572
  • So this model in SanFrancisco that you pioneered
  • 00:13:36.572 --> 00:13:39.975
  • for seven years wasa home church based
  • 00:13:39.975 --> 00:13:43.445
  • with automaticmultiplication built into it.
  • 00:13:43.445 --> 00:13:46.582
  • That is a paradigm shift.
  • 00:13:46.582 --> 00:13:48.784
  • Do you see thatbasically as something
  • 00:13:48.784 --> 00:13:53.088
  • that you want tochampion further?
  • 00:13:53.088 --> 00:13:55.925
  • Are you helping people?
  • 00:13:55.925 --> 00:13:59.728
  • If there's somebody thatwants to contact you (laughs)
  • 00:13:59.728 --> 00:14:04.566
  • and you wanna?
  • 00:14:04.566 --> 00:14:06.001
  • I mean, is this something
  • 00:14:06.001 --> 00:14:07.503
  • you're actively wantingto help people pioneer,
  • 00:14:07.503 --> 00:14:10.339
  • wherever they are in the world?
  • 00:14:10.339 --> 00:14:11.941
  • - Yeah, let me just giveyou cell phone number and.
  • 00:14:13.375 --> 00:14:15.678
  • (laughing)
  • 00:14:15.678 --> 00:14:16.512
  • - Perfect.
  • 00:14:16.512 --> 00:14:17.479
  • - That's what we want.
  • 00:14:17.479 --> 00:14:18.547
  • - When I do this.
  • 00:14:18.547 --> 00:14:19.949
  • No, it's absolutely somethingthat I wanna see grow,
  • 00:14:19.949 --> 00:14:23.352
  • but first of all understand,
  • 00:14:23.352 --> 00:14:25.521
  • I certainly didn't inventthis and there are many people
  • 00:14:25.521 --> 00:14:28.524
  • who've been doing it much longer
  • 00:14:28.524 --> 00:14:30.225
  • than I have and I alsodon't make it sound like,
  • 00:14:30.225 --> 00:14:33.529
  • oh yes, I started thischurch, oh, it was easy,
  • 00:14:33.529 --> 00:14:36.031
  • it just kept multiplying,everyone loved each other,
  • 00:14:36.031 --> 00:14:38.701
  • we never fought.
  • 00:14:38.701 --> 00:14:40.169
  • No, it was.
  • 00:14:40.169 --> 00:14:41.570
  • There were some miserable times.
  • 00:14:41.570 --> 00:14:44.440
  • There were some painful times.
  • 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.742
  • There were times whenI certainly trusted
  • 00:14:46.742 --> 00:14:49.311
  • leadership too soon, other times
  • 00:14:49.311 --> 00:14:51.747
  • when I didn't allowpeople enough.
  • 00:14:51.747 --> 00:14:54.083
  • - Sure.
  • 00:14:55.951 --> 00:14:56.885
  • - I have made so many mistakes
  • 00:14:56.885 --> 00:14:59.588
  • and I think my life isabout teaching people,
  • 00:14:59.588 --> 00:15:03.625
  • hey, don't make thismistake that I made
  • 00:15:03.625 --> 00:15:05.427
  • and don't make thisone or this one.
  • 00:15:05.427 --> 00:15:07.529
  • And so yes, that's whatwe're continuing to do,
  • 00:15:07.529 --> 00:15:11.333
  • and when I startedheading this direction,
  • 00:15:11.333 --> 00:15:13.736
  • I'm meeting people fromall around the world
  • 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:17.106
  • that are going, yeah, thisis what we've always done,
  • 00:15:17.106 --> 00:15:19.942
  • and I go, it makesso much more sense!
  • 00:15:19.942 --> 00:15:22.478
  • Because not only didit cut our costs,
  • 00:15:22.478 --> 00:15:25.981
  • I mean, we went tozero, like zero budget.
  • 00:15:25.981 --> 00:15:30.386
  • We had no need.
  • 00:15:30.386 --> 00:15:32.588
  • We don't need a building,we don't need salaries
  • 00:15:32.588 --> 00:15:35.257
  • 'cause if you'reshepherding a dozen people,
  • 00:15:35.257 --> 00:15:38.060
  • you can do that whileworking a full time job
  • 00:15:38.060 --> 00:15:41.230
  • and that leadership element.
  • 00:15:41.230 --> 00:15:44.199
  • There's just somethingabout when you've been given
  • 00:15:44.199 --> 00:15:47.469
  • the responsibilitiesand I told, look,
  • 00:15:47.469 --> 00:15:50.072
  • you're a parent, you'renot a babysitter.
  • 00:15:50.072 --> 00:15:53.008
  • This not a smallgroup where you play
  • 00:15:53.008 --> 00:15:55.344
  • with them for a little bitand give them back to me.
  • 00:15:55.344 --> 00:15:57.980
  • You're a real parent.
  • 00:15:57.980 --> 00:15:59.681
  • These are your childrenand you've gotta lead
  • 00:15:59.681 --> 00:16:02.317
  • them and you'vegotta figure it out.
  • 00:16:02.317 --> 00:16:04.420
  • Man, the growth of our leaders,
  • 00:16:04.420 --> 00:16:07.022
  • the way they justexponentially rose up
  • 00:16:07.022 --> 00:16:10.025
  • and I kept thinking, gosh,if you had been with me
  • 00:16:10.025 --> 00:16:13.195
  • in that old paradigm, youwould still just be sitting
  • 00:16:13.195 --> 00:16:16.665
  • and occasionally leading amen's retreat or something.
  • 00:16:16.665 --> 00:16:20.569
  • Now look at you.
  • 00:16:20.569 --> 00:16:21.937
  • You're a giant!
  • 00:16:21.937 --> 00:16:24.339
  • And I'm like, lookat who you guys are.
  • 00:16:24.339 --> 00:16:26.341
  • I mean, I think aboutone of our elders.
  • 00:16:26.341 --> 00:16:28.777
  • Man, when I met him, hehad just come out of prison
  • 00:16:28.777 --> 00:16:32.181
  • and now he is my, I don'tknow of a better pastor.
  • 00:16:32.181 --> 00:16:37.186
  • I don't know of a bettershepherd and I just think,
  • 00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:40.989
  • we would've missed out on this,
  • 00:16:40.989 --> 00:16:42.624
  • the body of Christ would'vemissed out on this.
  • 00:16:42.624 --> 00:16:45.794
  • - You know, it's aparadigm for sure.
  • 00:16:45.794 --> 00:16:49.698
  • What you're talking aboutand I'm starting to absorb
  • 00:16:49.698 --> 00:16:53.535
  • and understand and by theway, we're talking about
  • 00:16:53.535 --> 00:16:56.972
  • this because I thinkthe COVID-19 season
  • 00:16:56.972 --> 00:17:01.076
  • has put more andshined more light
  • 00:17:01.076 --> 00:17:04.413
  • on a modern system of church
  • 00:17:04.413 --> 00:17:08.016
  • that you were 100% involved in.
  • 00:17:08.016 --> 00:17:12.187
  • You used to pastor amegachurch of thousands
  • 00:17:12.187 --> 00:17:15.858
  • and thousands of peopleand you found something
  • 00:17:15.858 --> 00:17:20.129
  • missing that really, I thinkwhat you're tapping into,
  • 00:17:20.129 --> 00:17:25.134
  • I think I find it alittle bit interesting
  • 00:17:26.301 --> 00:17:28.804
  • that here today,Tuesday April 28th,
  • 00:17:28.804 --> 00:17:33.275
  • you're in Hong Kong right now,
  • 00:17:33.275 --> 00:17:36.245
  • but seven or eight yearsago, you were in Hong Kong
  • 00:17:36.245 --> 00:17:40.449
  • thinking that the Lord wasleading you to stay then,
  • 00:17:40.449 --> 00:17:43.785
  • but he had thatassignment for you
  • 00:17:43.785 --> 00:17:46.355
  • to come back and in SanFrancisco you really pioneered
  • 00:17:46.355 --> 00:17:50.359
  • what you're talking about now.
  • 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:52.361
  • And double down on something,
  • 00:17:52.361 --> 00:17:55.898
  • because Francis, you saidearlier in this broadcast
  • 00:17:55.898 --> 00:18:00.903
  • that you felt like theLord was explaining to you
  • 00:18:02.304 --> 00:18:05.507
  • that you're pioneeringsomething for future church.
  • 00:18:05.507 --> 00:18:09.778
  • You're not playing around here.
  • 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:12.414
  • You really believethis needs to happen.
  • 00:18:12.414 --> 00:18:16.852
  • - Yeah, and I understandI come from a background
  • 00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:21.924
  • where first of all, we didn'tbelieve that God spoke to us
  • 00:18:21.924 --> 00:18:26.028
  • and so when I say that,it's with severe caution.
  • 00:18:26.028 --> 00:18:31.033
  • I mean, it was new to me
  • 00:18:32.935 --> 00:18:36.238
  • and I had to checkeverything biblically.
  • 00:18:36.238 --> 00:18:38.774
  • So even now, I'm very cautiousin saying God told me,
  • 00:18:40.108 --> 00:18:44.646
  • but I will say I had anextremely strong impression
  • 00:18:44.646 --> 00:18:48.884
  • that God was communicating to me
  • 00:18:48.884 --> 00:18:51.820
  • that things needed to change.
  • 00:18:51.820 --> 00:18:55.457
  • And again, I looked atit biblically and said,
  • 00:18:56.625 --> 00:19:00.095
  • the way we were doing things
  • 00:19:01.496 --> 00:19:02.764
  • didn't make senseto me biblically.
  • 00:19:02.764 --> 00:19:05.000
  • It was too volatile.
  • 00:19:06.235 --> 00:19:09.071
  • It just seemed likeit could be destroyed
  • 00:19:09.071 --> 00:19:12.140
  • and when I would readscripture it was like, no,
  • 00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:15.043
  • the church of JesusChrist is unstoppable.
  • 00:19:15.043 --> 00:19:19.047
  • And so whether it is agovernment or persecution
  • 00:19:20.749 --> 00:19:25.754
  • or COVID or financiallyeverything's taken away from us,
  • 00:19:27.089 --> 00:19:31.593
  • a building's taken awayor freedom's taken away,
  • 00:19:33.195 --> 00:19:36.231
  • we don't go down.
  • 00:19:36.231 --> 00:19:38.133
  • I mean biblically hesays, the gates of hell
  • 00:19:38.133 --> 00:19:39.968
  • won't stand against us.
  • 00:19:39.968 --> 00:19:41.303
  • So I look at it like a diamond.
  • 00:19:41.303 --> 00:19:43.038
  • If I smashed the diamondright now with a hammer,
  • 00:19:43.038 --> 00:19:46.275
  • nothing would happento that diamond
  • 00:19:46.275 --> 00:19:49.011
  • unless it was fake,then it would shatter.
  • 00:19:49.011 --> 00:19:52.247
  • - [Both Interviewers] Wow.
  • 00:19:52.247 --> 00:19:53.715
  • - And in the sameway, God says look,
  • 00:19:53.715 --> 00:19:55.384
  • my church is so resilient,the gates of hell
  • 00:19:55.384 --> 00:19:59.721
  • can't even standagainst my church
  • 00:19:59.721 --> 00:20:02.024
  • and so if it shattersbecause of a plague
  • 00:20:02.024 --> 00:20:06.595
  • or finances, you gottaquestion if it was real?
  • 00:20:06.595 --> 00:20:11.600
  • And so, it's this idea,
  • 00:20:14.803 --> 00:20:18.640
  • it's actually could be agood thing the way we look
  • 00:20:20.242 --> 00:20:23.578
  • at what's going withthe church right now.
  • 00:20:23.578 --> 00:20:26.415
  • - Well, you certainlyhave a huge audience
  • 00:20:26.415 --> 00:20:29.818
  • listening to you right now
  • 00:20:29.818 --> 00:20:31.420
  • and you have theirfull attention.
  • 00:20:31.420 --> 00:20:33.755
  • You feel like the Lord wassaying to you something
  • 00:20:33.755 --> 00:20:36.525
  • about future-proofingthe church,
  • 00:20:36.525 --> 00:20:40.028
  • that it couldwithstand pandemics,
  • 00:20:40.028 --> 00:20:42.764
  • it could withstandeconomic recessions,
  • 00:20:42.764 --> 00:20:45.634
  • it could withstand changesin policies or freedoms
  • 00:20:45.634 --> 00:20:50.439
  • being taken away, thatall of a sudden the church
  • 00:20:50.439 --> 00:20:53.475
  • has to be resilient andyou feel like you spent
  • 00:20:54.710 --> 00:20:58.146
  • seven years of your lifetrying to figure that out
  • 00:20:58.146 --> 00:21:01.316
  • while you were in San Francisco.
  • 00:21:01.316 --> 00:21:03.552
  • - Absolutely and it alwayshas to start theologically.
  • 00:21:03.552 --> 00:21:07.923
  • Where that's wherewe get our peace.
  • 00:21:07.923 --> 00:21:09.991
  • We go, wait, I know thatthis is true of the church
  • 00:21:09.991 --> 00:21:14.830
  • and I know hepromised that everyone
  • 00:21:14.830 --> 00:21:18.233
  • has this gift and that we areall able to make disciples
  • 00:21:18.233 --> 00:21:23.238
  • and this is our calling.
  • 00:21:23.972 --> 00:21:25.474
  • So I know this for afact, from the scriptures,
  • 00:21:25.474 --> 00:21:29.678
  • and so let's start there.
  • 00:21:29.678 --> 00:21:32.180
  • Otherwise, we're like the10 spies that are trying
  • 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:35.183
  • to think for themselves.
  • 00:21:35.183 --> 00:21:36.451
  • I don't know, I don'tknow if we could ever
  • 00:21:36.451 --> 00:21:37.686
  • do this or do that.
  • 00:21:37.686 --> 00:21:39.788
  • No, we're like Joshua and Caleb,
  • 00:21:39.788 --> 00:21:41.790
  • we go, no, hepromised this to us.
  • 00:21:41.790 --> 00:21:44.192
  • And so that means there is a way
  • 00:21:44.192 --> 00:21:46.328
  • and that means thereis a way for each of us
  • 00:21:46.328 --> 00:21:48.797
  • as individuals to be unstoppable
  • 00:21:48.797 --> 00:21:51.633
  • and that there is waythat we can create
  • 00:21:51.633 --> 00:21:54.169
  • these gatherings thatare recession proof
  • 00:21:54.169 --> 00:21:57.339
  • and virus proof andgovernment proof
  • 00:21:57.339 --> 00:22:01.109
  • and that we just don't go down.
  • 00:22:01.109 --> 00:22:03.512
  • So it's upon that premiseand those promises
  • 00:22:03.512 --> 00:22:06.882
  • that we built thosegatherings in San Francisco
  • 00:22:06.882 --> 00:22:10.852
  • and it is really bizarrethat I would leave
  • 00:22:10.852 --> 00:22:13.989
  • and that everyone'scalling me like,
  • 00:22:13.989 --> 00:22:15.991
  • how did you know thiswas gonna happen?
  • 00:22:15.991 --> 00:22:17.959
  • - I didn't.
  • 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:20.128
  • I had no clue that it wasgonna happen this way,
  • 00:22:20.128 --> 00:22:22.497
  • but who could've guessedthat the whole world,
  • 00:22:22.497 --> 00:22:27.502
  • like instantaneously,that the freedom to gather
  • 00:22:28.904 --> 00:22:32.541
  • in a building withall these people,
  • 00:22:32.541 --> 00:22:34.376
  • if that's what we'regonna call church,
  • 00:22:34.376 --> 00:22:37.379
  • oh, well, then the wholechurch was just destroyed.
  • 00:22:37.379 --> 00:22:40.515
  • Well, that's garbage.
  • 00:22:40.515 --> 00:22:41.917
  • Nothing could destroythe true church.
  • 00:22:41.917 --> 00:22:43.885
  • - Right, Francis, I love you,
  • 00:22:43.885 --> 00:22:46.555
  • and I love the wayyou teach God's word.
  • 00:22:46.555 --> 00:22:51.126
  • I so respect yourfear of the Lord
  • 00:22:51.126 --> 00:22:55.497
  • and the way you preach Godof just this is what we base
  • 00:22:55.497 --> 00:23:00.469
  • everything on in our life.
  • 00:23:01.369 --> 00:23:03.038
  • Let's get you from SanFrancisco now to Hong Kong.
  • 00:23:03.038 --> 00:23:06.508
  • How in the world, what happened?
  • 00:23:06.508 --> 00:23:09.377
  • - Well, a lot of it, it's likethe church in San Francisco,
  • 00:23:09.377 --> 00:23:14.182
  • the elders we hadin place right now
  • 00:23:14.182 --> 00:23:17.285
  • were so, so strong that Ifelt a release, a freedom,
  • 00:23:17.285 --> 00:23:22.190
  • cause I actually steppedoff of the elder board
  • 00:23:23.758 --> 00:23:26.928
  • like a year ago.
  • 00:23:26.928 --> 00:23:28.396
  • It was when I was reading, Ithink it was Numbers chapter 9,
  • 00:23:29.798 --> 00:23:34.002
  • I could be off,don't look it up.
  • 00:23:34.002 --> 00:23:35.670
  • It talks about theretirement of the Levites
  • 00:23:37.005 --> 00:23:39.140
  • when they turn 50, and Ithought, I was 50 at the time,
  • 00:23:39.140 --> 00:23:43.144
  • and I thought, gosh, whywould you have them retire?
  • 00:23:43.144 --> 00:23:46.615
  • And I was prayingabout that, going,
  • 00:23:46.615 --> 00:23:48.250
  • "Lord, what if you're50 and you feel strong,
  • 00:23:48.250 --> 00:23:50.919
  • "like better thanever, why back off
  • 00:23:50.919 --> 00:23:55.123
  • "and just supportthe other guys?"
  • 00:23:55.123 --> 00:23:57.692
  • and God was showing me, well,if you wait til you're 90,
  • 00:23:57.692 --> 00:24:00.962
  • then the next crew,they're in their 70s,
  • 00:24:00.962 --> 00:24:03.532
  • and I thought, oh okay,and there's something about
  • 00:24:03.532 --> 00:24:06.568
  • passing on, and aslong as I was there,
  • 00:24:06.568 --> 00:24:09.838
  • I didn't feel like, theelders would defer to me
  • 00:24:09.838 --> 00:24:12.741
  • a little too much.
  • 00:24:12.741 --> 00:24:14.309
  • And then my wife and I hadspent some time overseas,
  • 00:24:14.309 --> 00:24:17.245
  • and we were meetingso many people
  • 00:24:17.245 --> 00:24:19.147
  • who had never heardthe name of Jesus.
  • 00:24:19.147 --> 00:24:22.250
  • So I was like, honey,maybe this is the time.
  • 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:25.654
  • Let's go.
  • 00:24:25.654 --> 00:24:27.122
  • Let's follow that leadingthat we had years ago.
  • 00:24:27.122 --> 00:24:31.726
  • It seems like we dideverything God wanted us to do,
  • 00:24:31.726 --> 00:24:34.029
  • 'cause the second thinghe wanted us to do
  • 00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:35.964
  • was to give a new pictureof marriage and the family,
  • 00:24:35.964 --> 00:24:40.635
  • and so we wrote the book andstarted speaking on family,
  • 00:24:40.635 --> 00:24:44.272
  • and helping people understandthat the greatest way
  • 00:24:44.272 --> 00:24:47.809
  • to have a united family isto not focus on the family
  • 00:24:47.809 --> 00:24:51.580
  • but to focus on his mission,
  • 00:24:51.580 --> 00:24:54.215
  • and the byproduct wouldbe this amazing unit
  • 00:24:54.215 --> 00:24:59.220
  • because you're pursuingthis mission together.
  • 00:25:00.388 --> 00:25:01.890
  • And so both those things,we felt like we accomplished
  • 00:25:01.890 --> 00:25:04.993
  • what God called usto do in the U.S.
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  • Let's go back to Hong Kong,
  • 00:25:07.128 --> 00:25:09.531
  • and so that's kind of whatled us to come out here.
  • 00:25:09.531 --> 00:25:13.435
  • - We've got a littleroll in that you made
  • 00:25:13.435 --> 00:25:16.671
  • that will be self-explanatory.
  • 00:25:16.671 --> 00:25:18.807
  • You're talking about your mom.
  • 00:25:18.807 --> 00:25:20.742
  • But right before wego to that roll-in,
  • 00:25:20.742 --> 00:25:23.511
  • I want to re-writeyour Wikipedia page,
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  • and just say it this way.
  • 00:25:27.649 --> 00:25:29.551
  • You basically, insouthern California,
  • 00:25:29.551 --> 00:25:33.722
  • you attended a church asa very, very young guy
  • 00:25:33.722 --> 00:25:37.659
  • that had a big kind ofnasty elder board split
  • 00:25:37.659 --> 00:25:42.097
  • and the pastors split.
  • 00:25:42.097 --> 00:25:43.565
  • You thought, let's juststart a church in our home.
  • 00:25:43.565 --> 00:25:46.401
  • That grew into a mega church
  • 00:25:46.401 --> 00:25:48.203
  • with thousands ofpeople attending.
  • 00:25:48.203 --> 00:25:51.539
  • You then just leave that,start traveling the world,
  • 00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.010
  • end up back in San Franciscoto create this new model
  • 00:25:55.010 --> 00:25:59.748
  • of future-proofing the churchbecause the gates of hell
  • 00:25:59.748 --> 00:26:03.685
  • can't prevail against it.
  • 00:26:03.685 --> 00:26:05.053
  • And guess what?
  • 00:26:05.053 --> 00:26:06.521
  • It feels like today's church,COVID-19 shut church off.
  • 00:26:06.521 --> 00:26:10.992
  • You seem to be ableto reinvent yourself
  • 00:26:10.992 --> 00:26:14.829
  • because you justmoved to Hong Kong
  • 00:26:14.829 --> 00:26:17.532
  • from southern California.
  • 00:26:17.532 --> 00:26:19.467
  • You reinvented yourselfa number of times.
  • 00:26:19.467 --> 00:26:24.339
  • Are you just capableof doing that?
  • 00:26:24.339 --> 00:26:27.842
  • It seems like, do youbungee jump and hang glide
  • 00:26:27.842 --> 00:26:31.946
  • and base jump, allthose crazy things?
  • 00:26:31.946 --> 00:26:34.149
  • This is you, this isyou in your life, right?
  • 00:26:35.283 --> 00:26:38.319
  • - Yeah, and it's notlike I'm trying to.
  • 00:26:39.521 --> 00:26:42.957
  • I'm not like Madonna, I gottacome up with something new.
  • 00:26:42.957 --> 00:26:46.027
  • It's just this idea thatGod leads me in these ways
  • 00:26:46.027 --> 00:26:51.032
  • where I'm not smartenough to know why.
  • 00:26:52.233 --> 00:26:55.670
  • I just go and you figureit out along the way,
  • 00:26:55.670 --> 00:27:00.675
  • and that's the story even ofmy birth mom where it's like,
  • 00:27:02.110 --> 00:27:05.880
  • God, I think you'recalling me to Hong Kong.
  • 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.484
  • I don't know why,I don't get it.
  • 00:27:09.484 --> 00:27:12.087
  • And I sure hope I'mhearing your voice.
  • 00:27:13.922 --> 00:27:16.124
  • But as we takethose steps of faith
  • 00:27:16.124 --> 00:27:18.193
  • and we go those directions,then he shows us,
  • 00:27:18.193 --> 00:27:21.896
  • yep, you were listening to me.
  • 00:27:21.896 --> 00:27:23.798
  • And let me just put you at ease,
  • 00:27:23.798 --> 00:27:26.768
  • and now let me giveyou more direction.
  • 00:27:26.768 --> 00:27:29.003
  • It's like you have to takethat step of faith, right?
  • 00:27:29.003 --> 00:27:32.640
  • And then you're like, oh,that's why he had me here.
  • 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.577
  • And oh, that's why I did that.
  • 00:27:35.577 --> 00:27:38.113
  • And so that's why, it wasn'tuntil after I got to Hong Kong,
  • 00:27:38.113 --> 00:27:43.118
  • it seemed like everythingI did in San Francisco
  • 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:45.453
  • made so much sense.
  • 00:27:45.453 --> 00:27:47.088
  • - Wow, okay, so, ifyou just tuned in,
  • 00:27:47.088 --> 00:27:51.025
  • Lori and I areinterviewing Francis Chan.
  • 00:27:51.025 --> 00:27:54.362
  • It's Tuesday, April 28that you're watching this.
  • 00:27:54.362 --> 00:27:59.367
  • When did you make the videothat we're gonna run right now
  • 00:28:00.802 --> 00:28:03.805
  • standing out front of thebuilding there about your mom?
  • 00:28:03.805 --> 00:28:06.975
  • How long ago was that?
  • 00:28:06.975 --> 00:28:08.576
  • - I think that was--- A couple of weeks--
  • 00:28:09.744 --> 00:28:11.212
  • - No, it was--- A couple of weeks--
  • 00:28:11.212 --> 00:28:12.814
  • - It was, I think the secondday I was in Hong Kong.
  • 00:28:12.814 --> 00:28:17.752
  • - So about two months ago maybe?
  • 00:28:17.752 --> 00:28:20.421
  • - Yeah.- Okay.
  • 00:28:20.421 --> 00:28:21.389
  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:28:21.389 --> 00:28:22.924
  • - A couple of months ago, youstood in front of the building
  • 00:28:22.924 --> 00:28:24.459
  • and filed this report, standingout in front of a building.
  • 00:28:24.459 --> 00:28:26.861
  • Watch this.
  • 00:28:26.861 --> 00:28:28.463
  • (gentle music)
  • 00:28:28.463 --> 00:28:31.032
  • - I just have to tell youa story about God's grace.
  • 00:28:44.979 --> 00:28:49.384
  • Man, okay, so we're gettingready to move to Hong Kong
  • 00:28:49.384 --> 00:28:52.987
  • last week, andhere I am here now,
  • 00:28:52.987 --> 00:28:55.323
  • but we were gonna moveinto this neighborhood
  • 00:28:56.758 --> 00:28:58.359
  • called Shum Shui Pobecause a friend of mine
  • 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:02.130
  • was planting somehouse churches here.
  • 00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:04.732
  • Another buddy of mine,right down the street,
  • 00:29:04.732 --> 00:29:07.068
  • had set up an office for me
  • 00:29:07.068 --> 00:29:09.003
  • where they'recaring for the poor.
  • 00:29:09.003 --> 00:29:11.206
  • And I'm just going, okay, Lord,
  • 00:29:11.206 --> 00:29:12.440
  • is this place, isthis the place?
  • 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.242
  • You know, cause I don't know.
  • 00:29:14.242 --> 00:29:15.643
  • We're just trying tofigure out the will of God.
  • 00:29:15.643 --> 00:29:17.312
  • Where does he want us?
  • 00:29:17.312 --> 00:29:18.646
  • And so here we arein this neighborhood
  • 00:29:18.646 --> 00:29:20.415
  • where a lot of thepoor live, and anyways,
  • 00:29:20.415 --> 00:29:23.318
  • last week, I'm cleaning up thehouse, packing everything up,
  • 00:29:23.318 --> 00:29:27.288
  • and I find this folder upon the top of my closet,
  • 00:29:27.288 --> 00:29:32.126
  • and it has these oldpictures of my birth mom.
  • 00:29:32.126 --> 00:29:36.297
  • (gentle music)
  • 00:29:36.297 --> 00:29:38.900
  • My mom gave birth to me
  • 00:29:48.376 --> 00:29:50.311
  • and died while she was givingbirth to me in San Francisco,
  • 00:29:50.311 --> 00:29:54.816
  • but these pictures of herewere of her in Hong Kong,
  • 00:29:54.816 --> 00:29:59.821
  • and she was in thissame neighborhood,
  • 00:30:00.989 --> 00:30:04.158
  • and she was a believerdoing ministry right here.
  • 00:30:04.158 --> 00:30:07.562
  • 70 years ago.
  • 00:30:08.496 --> 00:30:11.132
  • It's dated, and it showsthe exact location.
  • 00:30:11.132 --> 00:30:14.702
  • 70 years ago, she washere doing ministry.
  • 00:30:20.308 --> 00:30:25.280
  • Right here in thisbuilding right behind me.
  • 00:30:25.280 --> 00:30:29.417
  • That means she walked thisneighborhood and prayed to God.
  • 00:30:31.085 --> 00:30:35.356
  • And said, God, can Ihave an impact here.
  • 00:30:35.356 --> 00:30:37.592
  • I want to have an impact here.
  • 00:30:37.592 --> 00:30:39.427
  • 70 years ago.
  • 00:30:39.427 --> 00:30:41.562
  • And I can just see God going,okay, it's not going to be
  • 00:30:41.562 --> 00:30:44.666
  • the way you think.
  • 00:30:44.666 --> 00:30:45.833
  • You're gonna go to SanFrancisco, give birth to a son,
  • 00:30:47.135 --> 00:30:50.171
  • and you're gonnadie in the process.
  • 00:30:50.171 --> 00:30:52.073
  • And he's gonna come back here.
  • 00:30:52.073 --> 00:30:54.275
  • So when I saw that andrealized where it was,
  • 00:30:54.275 --> 00:30:57.412
  • it was just confirmationof God's goodness.
  • 00:30:57.412 --> 00:31:00.682
  • He didn't have todo these things,
  • 00:31:00.682 --> 00:31:02.517
  • it's just his grace going,you're on the right direction.
  • 00:31:02.517 --> 00:31:06.087
  • So I just had to sharethat story with you guys.
  • 00:31:06.087 --> 00:31:08.489
  • (gentle music)
  • 00:31:09.757 --> 00:31:12.360
  • - Beautiful.- Just amazing.
  • 00:31:15.663 --> 00:31:17.765
  • - Francis Chan, you are known
  • 00:31:17.765 --> 00:31:20.735
  • as a former pastorof a mega church,
  • 00:31:20.735 --> 00:31:23.638
  • you wrote "Crazy Love".
  • 00:31:23.638 --> 00:31:24.973
  • That book went all overthe body of Christ,
  • 00:31:24.973 --> 00:31:28.242
  • and all over the world.
  • 00:31:28.242 --> 00:31:29.944
  • There might be afew people going,
  • 00:31:33.114 --> 00:31:34.382
  • oh, that's the "Crazy Love" guy.
  • 00:31:34.382 --> 00:31:36.818
  • He's in Hong Kong now, what?
  • 00:31:36.818 --> 00:31:39.487
  • What are you doing there,what part of your journey
  • 00:31:43.491 --> 00:31:48.496
  • are you continuing, or isthis phase three, all new?
  • 00:31:49.964 --> 00:31:53.267
  • - Yeah, I think there'salways a continuation
  • 00:31:54.736 --> 00:31:59.007
  • because God doesn'twaste anything.
  • 00:31:59.007 --> 00:32:03.244
  • That's that wholestory about my mom.
  • 00:32:03.244 --> 00:32:05.146
  • It's like, whoa, thisis so over my head.
  • 00:32:06.314 --> 00:32:09.550
  • - The background I have here
  • 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.221
  • and being raised byparents from this city,
  • 00:32:13.221 --> 00:32:16.557
  • and so a lot of my mindset,and seeing the big churches,
  • 00:32:16.557 --> 00:32:21.262
  • which there's plentyof those here,
  • 00:32:21.262 --> 00:32:23.064
  • seeing the strength ofsmaller communities,
  • 00:32:23.064 --> 00:32:28.069
  • being right next to acountry that is known
  • 00:32:29.270 --> 00:32:31.839
  • for the growth ofthese house gatherings,
  • 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.942
  • I mean, it all comes together.
  • 00:32:34.942 --> 00:32:37.412
  • But I mean, I've onlybeen here a few weeks,
  • 00:32:38.613 --> 00:32:41.582
  • and the last things Iwanted to do was come here
  • 00:32:41.582 --> 00:32:44.285
  • like I'm some sort of expert.
  • 00:32:44.285 --> 00:32:46.254
  • I mean, I came heremainly just to learn
  • 00:32:46.254 --> 00:32:48.589
  • and understand what'sgoing on first,
  • 00:32:49.724 --> 00:32:52.260
  • because I don'tunderstand this world.
  • 00:32:52.260 --> 00:32:55.263
  • And sometimes wecome in too quickly
  • 00:32:55.263 --> 00:32:56.931
  • and want to speak in to things.
  • 00:32:56.931 --> 00:32:58.833
  • And so there's this tensionbecause I'm here to learn,
  • 00:32:58.833 --> 00:33:02.270
  • I want to see what's going on,
  • 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:04.806
  • I wanna see what the leadershave been doing all these years
  • 00:33:04.806 --> 00:33:07.942
  • and learn from them,because there's some godly,
  • 00:33:07.942 --> 00:33:10.445
  • godly people whohave suffered a lot
  • 00:33:10.445 --> 00:33:13.347
  • to get the churchto where it is now.
  • 00:33:13.347 --> 00:33:15.850
  • But then there'sthis tension going,
  • 00:33:15.850 --> 00:33:18.219
  • gosh, but we are inthis window of time.
  • 00:33:18.219 --> 00:33:23.224
  • And the thing aboutHong Kong that I think
  • 00:33:24.392 --> 00:33:26.394
  • why God has sent me here isHong Kong doesn't have a choice.
  • 00:33:26.394 --> 00:33:31.399
  • You know, I know a lot ofpeople right now are thinking,
  • 00:33:32.967 --> 00:33:35.136
  • "Let's get things backto the way they were."
  • 00:33:35.136 --> 00:33:38.206
  • Hong Kong doesn'thave that option.
  • 00:33:38.206 --> 00:33:40.908
  • It's never going to be the same.
  • 00:33:40.908 --> 00:33:43.711
  • It's not like we cancall England and say,
  • 00:33:43.711 --> 00:33:46.247
  • "Hey, can you get anotherhundred-year lease?"
  • 00:33:46.247 --> 00:33:49.350
  • It's like the clock is ticking.
  • 00:33:49.350 --> 00:33:53.054
  • And so we have to be thinking,
  • 00:33:53.054 --> 00:33:55.389
  • "How do I get the Churchprepared and resilient?"
  • 00:33:55.389 --> 00:33:59.026
  • And so it's as I'vebeen here I'm going,
  • 00:33:59.026 --> 00:34:01.028
  • oh, that makes so muchsense that everything
  • 00:34:01.028 --> 00:34:04.899
  • that we've been workingfor these last few years
  • 00:34:04.899 --> 00:34:08.236
  • fits in perfectly here, andGod's given me such a heart
  • 00:34:08.236 --> 00:34:13.141
  • for unity because he'sshown me all the division
  • 00:34:14.542 --> 00:34:17.378
  • in the churches in theU.S., and how every day
  • 00:34:17.378 --> 00:34:21.048
  • there's some newblog or Instagram
  • 00:34:21.048 --> 00:34:25.853
  • by some have-or-seehunter that wants to say,
  • 00:34:25.853 --> 00:34:28.823
  • "I'm the only one that's right.
  • 00:34:28.823 --> 00:34:30.024
  • "Everyone else is off.
  • 00:34:30.024 --> 00:34:31.058
  • "Let's hate this guy.
  • 00:34:31.058 --> 00:34:32.059
  • "Let's hate that guy."
  • 00:34:32.059 --> 00:34:33.261
  • I'm going, "No, we can'tbe like that here."
  • 00:34:33.261 --> 00:34:34.962
  • Okay?
  • 00:34:34.962 --> 00:34:36.097
  • We've got to be united.
  • 00:34:36.097 --> 00:34:37.765
  • Christ commanded this.
  • 00:34:37.765 --> 00:34:39.467
  • He wanted this.
  • 00:34:39.467 --> 00:34:40.468
  • This is where our power is.
  • 00:34:40.468 --> 00:34:42.403
  • So learning theselessons, it's like,
  • 00:34:42.403 --> 00:34:45.473
  • how can I help the Churchin Hong Kong be unified
  • 00:34:45.473 --> 00:34:50.478
  • and yet at the same timebe sending people out
  • 00:34:51.646 --> 00:34:54.649
  • and releasing these, almostlike a collective release
  • 00:34:54.649 --> 00:34:59.420
  • and equipping for the future.
  • 00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:03.257
  • - Do you see establishingthese kind of home churches
  • 00:35:03.257 --> 00:35:08.229
  • there in Hong Kong likeyou did in San Francisco?
  • 00:35:09.697 --> 00:35:13.634
  • Are you going to be kindof extending that phase two
  • 00:35:13.634 --> 00:35:17.538
  • of your life intothis new phase three?
  • 00:35:17.538 --> 00:35:20.041
  • - Yeah, that's my hope.
  • 00:35:20.975 --> 00:35:23.244
  • But I also want to
  • 00:35:23.244 --> 00:35:25.846
  • just be mindful of, I don'twant to start my thing
  • 00:35:27.281 --> 00:35:32.286
  • and feel like I'm inany type of competition
  • 00:35:34.689 --> 00:35:38.659
  • with the other leaders here.
  • 00:35:38.659 --> 00:35:40.361
  • I really want it tobe a united effort.
  • 00:35:41.562 --> 00:35:42.997
  • I really want to be ablessing to all the churches
  • 00:35:42.997 --> 00:35:45.933
  • and for the pastorswho, you know,
  • 00:35:45.933 --> 00:35:48.269
  • like I've met pastors whoare currently doing this.
  • 00:35:49.737 --> 00:35:51.372
  • So it's not like I'm bringingsomething new to the table.
  • 00:35:51.372 --> 00:35:55.209
  • I'm here to encouragethem, again,
  • 00:35:55.209 --> 00:35:57.578
  • teach them from my mistakes
  • 00:35:57.578 --> 00:35:59.814
  • and also help thelarger churches,
  • 00:35:59.814 --> 00:36:03.618
  • to help theCantonese-speaking churches.
  • 00:36:03.618 --> 00:36:06.220
  • I've been workingon my language.
  • 00:36:06.220 --> 00:36:08.589
  • It's gone so much slowerat this age, but...
  • 00:36:08.589 --> 00:36:11.692
  • Because I want to be ablessing to all of them.
  • 00:36:12.860 --> 00:36:15.329
  • I don't want any of them to bediscouraged during this time.
  • 00:36:15.329 --> 00:36:19.033
  • But yes, I do hope thatmany of these resilient,
  • 00:36:19.033 --> 00:36:24.038
  • multiplying gatherings inthe homes, in wherever,
  • 00:36:25.473 --> 00:36:29.543
  • that we just see ahuge move of God.
  • 00:36:30.745 --> 00:36:32.947
  • And I see the rumblings of that.
  • 00:36:32.947 --> 00:36:37.952
  • There's a momentum that'salready been started here
  • 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.989
  • that has beengoing on for years.
  • 00:36:41.989 --> 00:36:45.660
  • And so those people are going,"Yeah, now Francis is here."
  • 00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:49.063
  • It's more justadding fuel to a fire
  • 00:36:49.063 --> 00:36:52.733
  • rather than starting a fire.
  • 00:36:52.733 --> 00:36:54.869
  • - So phase four of your lifewill be moving to Albania.
  • 00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:58.639
  • Is that right?
  • 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.007
  • So Albania's nextfor you, right?
  • 00:37:00.007 --> 00:37:01.776
  • - Yeah, who knows
  • 00:37:01.776 --> 00:37:02.977
  • where I'll be?- Yeah, who knows?
  • 00:37:02.977 --> 00:37:04.011
  • Okay--- I might be taking
  • 00:37:04.011 --> 00:37:05.112
  • over your job.(interviewers laughing)
  • 00:37:05.112 --> 00:37:07.515
  • - We'll retire.
  • 00:37:07.515 --> 00:37:08.949
  • - Yeah, we'll switch with you.
  • 00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:10.718
  • So keep the apartment.
  • 00:37:10.718 --> 00:37:12.853
  • You come back to California,we'll go to Hong Kong.
  • 00:37:12.853 --> 00:37:15.990
  • - There you go, there you go.- So,
  • 00:37:15.990 --> 00:37:17.525
  • we've got about 15minutes, Francis,
  • 00:37:17.525 --> 00:37:19.260
  • and I want to get totwo final thoughts
  • 00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:22.863
  • that we can take someof the time and get to.
  • 00:37:24.098 --> 00:37:29.103
  • One is,
  • 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:30.938
  • I wanted to have you describewhat a home church service,
  • 00:37:32.373 --> 00:37:36.911
  • if you took us inside andkind of gave us the difference
  • 00:37:38.646 --> 00:37:42.516
  • of what you would be doing,and then in addition to that,
  • 00:37:44.352 --> 00:37:49.357
  • I want to kind ofbe given a tour
  • 00:37:50.524 --> 00:37:53.361
  • in through your home church
  • 00:37:53.361 --> 00:37:54.862
  • and what the service would belike and that kind of thing.
  • 00:37:54.862 --> 00:37:57.064
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:37:57.064 --> 00:37:58.065
  • - So that peoplecould, you know,
  • 00:37:58.065 --> 00:37:59.767
  • we can all go to your website,
  • 00:37:59.767 --> 00:38:01.602
  • and I'm sure you havea ton of stuff there.
  • 00:38:01.602 --> 00:38:03.871
  • And so your website has beenup and down on the screen
  • 00:38:03.871 --> 00:38:08.175
  • the whole timewe've been talking,
  • 00:38:08.175 --> 00:38:10.111
  • so people that wantmore information
  • 00:38:10.111 --> 00:38:11.645
  • about what youpioneered specifically,
  • 00:38:11.645 --> 00:38:14.248
  • but I want you to give aword description of it.
  • 00:38:14.248 --> 00:38:16.917
  • And the second thingis I'd love for you to,
  • 00:38:16.917 --> 00:38:20.121
  • this COVID-19 thingis still raging.
  • 00:38:22.189 --> 00:38:25.659
  • I mean, if you're stayingintuned with the American press,
  • 00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:30.464
  • now there's some protests,
  • 00:38:30.464 --> 00:38:31.899
  • some people think thecountry should open up more,
  • 00:38:31.899 --> 00:38:35.069
  • and some people think itshould stay closed longer,
  • 00:38:35.069 --> 00:38:38.572
  • and there's, you know,
  • 00:38:38.572 --> 00:38:40.107
  • that's the big issue kind ofdu jour in regard to COVID.
  • 00:38:40.107 --> 00:38:44.145
  • But I'd love for you to speakdirectly to our audience
  • 00:38:44.145 --> 00:38:48.649
  • concerning justwhat you're thinking
  • 00:38:48.649 --> 00:38:50.885
  • that they need to hear,Francis Chan style
  • 00:38:50.885 --> 00:38:55.890
  • kind of for COVID-19.
  • 00:38:56.724 --> 00:38:58.092
  • But what I understoodabout what you pioneered
  • 00:38:58.092 --> 00:39:01.896
  • in San Francisco wasthat you basically had
  • 00:39:01.896 --> 00:39:05.399
  • your small group read thesame passages during the week
  • 00:39:05.399 --> 00:39:10.404
  • so that there wasnot a main minister,
  • 00:39:11.572 --> 00:39:13.207
  • but a sharing of kindof what Scripture was.
  • 00:39:13.207 --> 00:39:16.043
  • You got to focus on Jesus andmore of the holy communion.
  • 00:39:16.043 --> 00:39:21.048
  • Walk us through whatyou really feel,
  • 00:39:23.083 --> 00:39:26.120
  • what you pioneered in SanFrancisco, what it was like.
  • 00:39:26.120 --> 00:39:30.391
  • - Okay.
  • 00:39:30.391 --> 00:39:31.859
  • Yeah, and you know, Iuse the word home church.
  • 00:39:31.859 --> 00:39:34.695
  • And we actually don't wantto be known as house church.
  • 00:39:34.695 --> 00:39:39.533
  • But I think people are justso used to that phrase.
  • 00:39:39.533 --> 00:39:44.538
  • Because we like to referthem as family churches
  • 00:39:45.739 --> 00:39:49.610
  • because that's such abetter picture for people.
  • 00:39:49.610 --> 00:39:51.979
  • 'Cause I don't wantpeople to think, oh,
  • 00:39:51.979 --> 00:39:53.514
  • we took the Sundayservice that we're used to
  • 00:39:53.514 --> 00:39:56.383
  • in this building and thenwe do it inside of a house.
  • 00:39:56.383 --> 00:39:58.786
  • - [Interviewer] Right.
  • 00:39:58.786 --> 00:39:59.887
  • - No, it's adifferent mentality.
  • 00:40:00.921 --> 00:40:02.389
  • Don't think service.
  • 00:40:02.389 --> 00:40:04.959
  • Just think family.
  • 00:40:04.959 --> 00:40:06.660
  • Like, we don'tput a big emphasis
  • 00:40:06.660 --> 00:40:09.430
  • on okay, every Sunday,here's what we do.
  • 00:40:09.430 --> 00:40:13.767
  • It's all week long.
  • 00:40:16.737 --> 00:40:18.472
  • We don't gatherfor family, right?
  • 00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:23.711
  • We just are family.
  • 00:40:23.711 --> 00:40:25.679
  • My family doesn't say,oh hey, you know what?
  • 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.481
  • You wanna have family on Sunday?
  • 00:40:27.481 --> 00:40:29.116
  • That's doesn't make any sense!
  • 00:40:30.618 --> 00:40:32.987
  • It's like you'realways my daughter,
  • 00:40:32.987 --> 00:40:34.989
  • you're always my brother,you're always my sister,
  • 00:40:34.989 --> 00:40:37.758
  • and we may havea family reunion,
  • 00:40:37.758 --> 00:40:40.895
  • where we gathereveryone together
  • 00:40:40.895 --> 00:40:43.831
  • or let's have a family dinner,
  • 00:40:43.831 --> 00:40:45.299
  • and so yeah, it's Sunday,let's have a family gathering,
  • 00:40:46.734 --> 00:40:49.036
  • and get everyone together,
  • 00:40:49.036 --> 00:40:50.604
  • but even if we don't havethat gathering, we're fine.
  • 00:40:50.604 --> 00:40:55.175
  • It's like saying, oh, youknow, how's your family
  • 00:40:55.175 --> 00:40:58.012
  • during this COVID experience?
  • 00:40:58.012 --> 00:41:00.281
  • It's like, gosh, in a lottaways, we're tighter than ever
  • 00:41:00.281 --> 00:41:03.050
  • because we have to dependon each other more now.
  • 00:41:04.485 --> 00:41:06.554
  • It's not thisone-hour gathering,
  • 00:41:06.554 --> 00:41:09.423
  • but yeah, usually wedo gather on Sundays,
  • 00:41:09.423 --> 00:41:14.428
  • because we see that in scriptureand there's a gathering
  • 00:41:15.763 --> 00:41:17.965
  • together where peoplewill show up at my house
  • 00:41:17.965 --> 00:41:20.901
  • or someone else's house and
  • 00:41:20.901 --> 00:41:23.070
  • usually there's donuts,coffee, we're just hanging out,
  • 00:41:25.072 --> 00:41:27.841
  • talking, catching up,
  • 00:41:27.841 --> 00:41:29.710
  • but if it's been theway that we envision it,
  • 00:41:29.710 --> 00:41:34.715
  • it's not like thefirst time we talked
  • 00:41:35.883 --> 00:41:36.884
  • to these people all week.
  • 00:41:36.884 --> 00:41:38.953
  • We've been incommunication all week.
  • 00:41:38.953 --> 00:41:40.688
  • We do have ourcommon Bible reading
  • 00:41:40.688 --> 00:41:43.657
  • and so all of these people willhave read the same passages
  • 00:41:43.657 --> 00:41:47.728
  • and they've had timealone with the Lord,
  • 00:41:47.728 --> 00:41:50.397
  • and they've about thatthroughout the week,
  • 00:41:50.397 --> 00:41:52.633
  • as they've gottentogether and gone,
  • 00:41:52.633 --> 00:41:54.001
  • man, what'd you thinkabout the passage today?
  • 00:41:54.001 --> 00:41:55.903
  • And how powerful, so youknow, these types of things
  • 00:41:55.903 --> 00:41:58.672
  • are going on, caringfor each other's needs,
  • 00:41:58.672 --> 00:42:01.609
  • and so the fellowshiptime is just fun.
  • 00:42:01.609 --> 00:42:05.913
  • It's just fun to seeeveryone's face, you know,
  • 00:42:05.913 --> 00:42:09.450
  • and then it's differentevery week too.
  • 00:42:09.450 --> 00:42:12.720
  • It's not like this routine.
  • 00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:14.455
  • There is this prayer that theleader will have been praying
  • 00:42:14.455 --> 00:42:19.460
  • for the people throughoutthe week, and going,
  • 00:42:20.828 --> 00:42:22.796
  • gosh, I really believe theLord wants us to do this
  • 00:42:22.796 --> 00:42:25.099
  • this week in responseto the passage,
  • 00:42:25.099 --> 00:42:27.835
  • or does anyone feel like Godis teaching them something
  • 00:42:27.835 --> 00:42:31.672
  • from scripture thatthey just have to share?
  • 00:42:31.672 --> 00:42:34.308
  • Did God do somethingin your life?
  • 00:42:34.308 --> 00:42:36.110
  • Tell us about yourexperiences as you went out
  • 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:38.679
  • and shared your faith.
  • 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.147
  • Is anyone really hurting?
  • 00:42:40.147 --> 00:42:42.316
  • Does someone need healing today?
  • 00:42:42.316 --> 00:42:44.385
  • I mean, it's just so random.
  • 00:42:44.385 --> 00:42:48.489
  • A lot of times we just startoff giving praises to God
  • 00:42:48.489 --> 00:42:52.226
  • and let's just pray, if youhave a song in your heart,
  • 00:42:52.226 --> 00:42:55.329
  • just sing it out,we'll join you.
  • 00:42:55.329 --> 00:42:57.564
  • Sometimes there's a guitarin the middle of the room.
  • 00:42:57.564 --> 00:43:00.000
  • Someone wants to grab that.
  • 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.735
  • If there's a passageHe's put on your heart,
  • 00:43:01.735 --> 00:43:04.138
  • man, speak it, and Idon't know about you,
  • 00:43:04.138 --> 00:43:06.073
  • but I just love hearingpeople read the word of God
  • 00:43:06.073 --> 00:43:10.778
  • and say, oh this passage was--
  • 00:43:10.778 --> 00:43:12.713
  • Sometimes that's all we do.
  • 00:43:12.713 --> 00:43:16.183
  • One service, we just tookturns taking a chapter
  • 00:43:16.183 --> 00:43:19.186
  • of Revelations and read throughthe whole book of Revelation
  • 00:43:19.186 --> 00:43:22.923
  • and afterwards, wewere just on fire,
  • 00:43:22.923 --> 00:43:26.560
  • because the Bible saysblessed is the person
  • 00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:29.697
  • who speaks these wordsaloud and blessed are those
  • 00:43:29.697 --> 00:43:33.067
  • who hear them, andwe were so blessed,
  • 00:43:33.067 --> 00:43:36.170
  • and so there's a lot of just,
  • 00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:38.906
  • you don't knowwhat's gonna happen.
  • 00:43:38.906 --> 00:43:40.774
  • Because I feel like
  • 00:43:40.774 --> 00:43:43.177
  • the disciples woke up everymorning with Jesus, going,
  • 00:43:43.177 --> 00:43:46.880
  • what is gonna happen today?
  • 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.416
  • Like, yesterday was insane.
  • 00:43:49.416 --> 00:43:52.186
  • It wasn't like charted out.
  • 00:43:52.186 --> 00:43:54.121
  • On Monday, here's whatwe're gonna do, Peter.
  • 00:43:54.121 --> 00:43:56.123
  • It's just there has tobe this element of God,
  • 00:43:56.123 --> 00:44:00.461
  • break through, blowour minds, and yet,
  • 00:44:00.461 --> 00:44:04.031
  • we're committed to thecommands of scripture,
  • 00:44:04.031 --> 00:44:06.667
  • and so we break bread,and we remember Him,
  • 00:44:06.667 --> 00:44:10.738
  • and we believe there's aspecial presence of Christ,
  • 00:44:10.738 --> 00:44:14.875
  • just like believers havebelieved for all time,
  • 00:44:14.875 --> 00:44:18.345
  • like there's something to this,
  • 00:44:18.345 --> 00:44:21.782
  • like God shows upin a special way,
  • 00:44:21.782 --> 00:44:25.452
  • just like He did evenafter His resurrection,
  • 00:44:25.452 --> 00:44:29.356
  • there was something aboutthis and so let's take this
  • 00:44:29.356 --> 00:44:32.493
  • seriously, let's do this ina way that we're not judged,
  • 00:44:32.493 --> 00:44:37.498
  • and I'm telling you, it'sjust a sweet, sweet time
  • 00:44:39.299 --> 00:44:44.104
  • when you think I'meating of His flesh,
  • 00:44:44.104 --> 00:44:46.173
  • drinking of His blood,remembering His sacrifice
  • 00:44:46.173 --> 00:44:50.010
  • with His family,and I love this.
  • 00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:53.380
  • And so, gosh, I guess inresponse to the second question
  • 00:44:53.380 --> 00:44:58.385
  • about the COVID experience andthe lockdown with everyone,
  • 00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:04.691
  • the reason why our churchesare okay is because
  • 00:45:08.328 --> 00:45:13.033
  • you know what?
  • 00:45:15.536 --> 00:45:16.770
  • Like we were alreadyfamily beforehand,
  • 00:45:16.770 --> 00:45:21.375
  • so it may bedifficult now to go,
  • 00:45:22.442 --> 00:45:24.278
  • okay, now let's become family.
  • 00:45:24.278 --> 00:45:26.380
  • Let me Zoom in or Skypepeople that I hardly know
  • 00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:30.083
  • and try to become family.
  • 00:45:30.083 --> 00:45:31.451
  • That may be tough,
  • 00:45:31.451 --> 00:45:34.054
  • but let me give you a couplewords of encouragement.
  • 00:45:35.455 --> 00:45:36.857
  • First of all, God'snot gonna give us
  • 00:45:36.857 --> 00:45:40.093
  • anything that is beyondwhat we can handle,
  • 00:45:40.093 --> 00:45:43.263
  • so there is a way for the churchto thrive during this time,
  • 00:45:43.263 --> 00:45:47.835
  • and we have to believe this.
  • 00:45:47.835 --> 00:45:50.170
  • We're quick to quotethat we can do all things
  • 00:45:50.170 --> 00:45:53.307
  • through Christ whostrengthens us,
  • 00:45:53.307 --> 00:45:55.676
  • but you have to rememberthe context of that verse.
  • 00:45:55.676 --> 00:45:58.846
  • Right before it, Paul says,
  • 00:45:58.846 --> 00:46:00.581
  • "I know how to be contentin every circumstance.
  • 00:46:00.581 --> 00:46:04.184
  • "I know what it's likewhen I have a lot,
  • 00:46:04.184 --> 00:46:06.687
  • "and I know what it'slike to have a little.
  • 00:46:06.687 --> 00:46:09.156
  • "I can be content,just give me my food,
  • 00:46:09.156 --> 00:46:12.259
  • "give me a roof overmy head, I'm good.
  • 00:46:12.259 --> 00:46:15.362
  • "I can live off of nothing."
  • 00:46:15.362 --> 00:46:16.864
  • And I think that's wherea lot of our panic comes,
  • 00:46:16.864 --> 00:46:19.933
  • is we don't knowhow to do all things
  • 00:46:19.933 --> 00:46:23.103
  • through Christ whostrengthens us,
  • 00:46:23.103 --> 00:46:25.105
  • and we're not contentwhen some of these things
  • 00:46:25.105 --> 00:46:28.208
  • are taken away from us.
  • 00:46:28.208 --> 00:46:30.043
  • But that's the contextof that passage!
  • 00:46:30.043 --> 00:46:32.946
  • And so, this is the timewhen the church can rise up
  • 00:46:32.946 --> 00:46:37.050
  • and go, look, if I catchit, if I get that disease,
  • 00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:41.054
  • and it leads to me cominginto the presence of God,
  • 00:46:41.054 --> 00:46:45.092
  • I'm good, and if it leadsto my house being gone,
  • 00:46:45.092 --> 00:46:50.097
  • my job being gone,God promised me
  • 00:46:51.265 --> 00:46:53.767
  • that if I seekHis kingdom first,
  • 00:46:53.767 --> 00:46:58.772
  • all these things shallbe given unto me.
  • 00:46:59.907 --> 00:47:01.541
  • Now it doesn't mean thatI'm gonna be filthy rich
  • 00:47:01.541 --> 00:47:04.645
  • and I'm gonna be able tomaintain the standard of living
  • 00:47:04.645 --> 00:47:07.748
  • I used to have, but whatis the Lord's prayer?
  • 00:47:07.748 --> 00:47:11.652
  • It's God, just give methis day my daily bread.
  • 00:47:11.652 --> 00:47:16.223
  • That's all we're asking for,
  • 00:47:17.324 --> 00:47:19.259
  • and that's all Godpromised is look,
  • 00:47:19.259 --> 00:47:22.296
  • He tells his disciples, "Don'teven worry about tomorrow.
  • 00:47:22.296 --> 00:47:26.133
  • "I'll give you what you need."
  • 00:47:26.133 --> 00:47:28.835
  • The problem is in ourwants, in our coveting,
  • 00:47:28.835 --> 00:47:32.773
  • in our desires.
  • 00:47:32.773 --> 00:47:33.974
  • Well, but I don'twant just daily bread.
  • 00:47:33.974 --> 00:47:37.311
  • I wanna know that Ihave bread and wine
  • 00:47:37.311 --> 00:47:41.248
  • and the best of this andthat for the next 30 years
  • 00:47:41.248 --> 00:47:46.253
  • until I die, and I wannamake sure that I have enough,
  • 00:47:47.621 --> 00:47:50.123
  • and you guys, thosethings aren't promised,
  • 00:47:50.123 --> 00:47:53.193
  • and so if that's what ittakes for you to be content,
  • 00:47:53.193 --> 00:47:56.496
  • you're not gonna havethat, and church,
  • 00:47:56.496 --> 00:47:57.798
  • - And the other Sundayshe was teaching me.
  • 00:48:08.942 --> 00:48:11.111
  • She shared out ofDeuteronomy 18.
  • 00:48:11.111 --> 00:48:14.881
  • I think it's 18, again,don't look it up.
  • 00:48:14.881 --> 00:48:16.550
  • But it's that part whereeverything's being divided up,
  • 00:48:16.550 --> 00:48:20.854
  • and she says, but lookwhat he says to Levites.
  • 00:48:20.854 --> 00:48:23.857
  • You don't get this land.
  • 00:48:23.857 --> 00:48:25.392
  • You don't get a portion,because I will be your portion.
  • 00:48:25.392 --> 00:48:29.396
  • I'm gonna be with you,and that's enough for you,
  • 00:48:29.396 --> 00:48:31.698
  • and that's better than any land,
  • 00:48:31.698 --> 00:48:33.100
  • that's better than any building.
  • 00:48:33.100 --> 00:48:34.868
  • I promise, I'm gonnabe your portion.
  • 00:48:34.868 --> 00:48:38.638
  • And so it's reminding us, look,
  • 00:48:38.638 --> 00:48:40.807
  • we have the resurrectedChrist as our portion.
  • 00:48:40.807 --> 00:48:44.344
  • He's always gonnabe with us, church.
  • 00:48:44.344 --> 00:48:47.114
  • We're always gonna have thebody and blood of Jesus.
  • 00:48:47.114 --> 00:48:50.350
  • That's our portion.
  • 00:48:50.350 --> 00:48:51.785
  • When our land is takenaway, it doesn't matter,
  • 00:48:51.785 --> 00:48:54.788
  • 'cause I have Jesus, I have Him.
  • 00:48:54.788 --> 00:48:57.858
  • He is my inheritance, andso now, more than ever,
  • 00:48:57.858 --> 00:49:02.529
  • we have to be peoplethat show, man,
  • 00:49:02.529 --> 00:49:04.765
  • I'm content, mycup is overflowing,
  • 00:49:04.765 --> 00:49:08.201
  • 'cause the Lord is my shepherd,
  • 00:49:08.201 --> 00:49:10.270
  • and so I don't have allthese panic attacks,
  • 00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:13.006
  • because I have to havethis, have to have that.
  • 00:49:13.006 --> 00:49:15.342
  • I've got Him, and so, even ifI'm going through the valley
  • 00:49:15.342 --> 00:49:19.079
  • of the shadow of death,He's right here with me.
  • 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.315
  • I'm good, I'm good,I'm overflowing.
  • 00:49:22.315 --> 00:49:24.918
  • Man, I'm rejoicing, my cup'slike overflowing right now
  • 00:49:24.918 --> 00:49:29.589
  • because He's my portion.
  • 00:49:30.590 --> 00:49:31.925
  • - Oh, keep on, keep on.
  • 00:49:31.925 --> 00:49:35.262
  • We've got a few more minutes.
  • 00:49:35.262 --> 00:49:36.096
  • - Let met just say this.
  • 00:49:36.096 --> 00:49:38.265
  • We are now official membersof your family church.
  • 00:49:38.265 --> 00:49:42.869
  • - Your family church.- So we'll be over Sunday,
  • 00:49:42.869 --> 00:49:44.938
  • okay, as long as wecan get a flight, okay.
  • 00:49:44.938 --> 00:49:47.107
  • So what you're talking about
  • 00:49:48.341 --> 00:49:51.378
  • is Jesus is enough, andwhat you're talking about,
  • 00:49:51.378 --> 00:49:55.248
  • even in this futureproofing of the church,
  • 00:49:55.248 --> 00:49:59.252
  • is the church isn't buildings.
  • 00:49:59.252 --> 00:50:02.055
  • The church isn't parkinglots that are paved
  • 00:50:02.055 --> 00:50:06.026
  • with lighting and youknow, the church is us.
  • 00:50:06.026 --> 00:50:10.931
  • And you're talking aboutmaking a future proved,
  • 00:50:12.132 --> 00:50:16.036
  • resilient church because we know
  • 00:50:16.036 --> 00:50:20.006
  • the definition of the church.
  • 00:50:20.006 --> 00:50:21.441
  • The gates of hell willnot prevail against it,
  • 00:50:21.441 --> 00:50:23.743
  • and that is, you'reputting the church into us,
  • 00:50:23.743 --> 00:50:28.215
  • we're the church, and we goout and we act like family.
  • 00:50:28.215 --> 00:50:32.152
  • That's what you'retalking about.
  • 00:50:32.152 --> 00:50:34.454
  • - Amen.
  • 00:50:34.454 --> 00:50:35.722
  • Because I believe thatwas exactly what Jesus
  • 00:50:35.722 --> 00:50:37.824
  • was talking about, thatBiblically when He says,
  • 00:50:37.824 --> 00:50:40.994
  • "I will build my (speakingin foreign language),"
  • 00:50:40.994 --> 00:50:43.396
  • it was this idea, and He says,
  • 00:50:44.831 --> 00:50:46.900
  • "The gates of hell won'tstand," and He goes,
  • 00:50:46.900 --> 00:50:48.502
  • "Whatever you loose on Earth,
  • 00:50:48.502 --> 00:50:49.903
  • "I'll loose in heaven,"it was this idea of,
  • 00:50:49.903 --> 00:50:53.573
  • He goes, "I'mwatching, I'm watching.
  • 00:50:53.573 --> 00:50:55.575
  • "I am building this force,this unstoppable force."
  • 00:50:55.575 --> 00:51:00.547
  • He was not, He did,I just cannot see,
  • 00:51:01.748 --> 00:51:04.684
  • in Scripture, at all,that His intention was,
  • 00:51:04.684 --> 00:51:09.122
  • one day, you're gonnahave these buildings,
  • 00:51:10.323 --> 00:51:12.526
  • and you're gonna meetthere for an hour a week.
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  • That is not whatHe meant back then,
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  • and that is notwhat He means today.
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  • And I get excitedbecause I just feel like,
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  • this is a time wherewe're gonna change.
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  • One last thought, as I just,the resurrected Christ,
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  • I mean, imagine seeing Jesus,
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  • having risen from dead,looking you in the eye,
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  • and He says, "All authority'sbeen given to me,"
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  • and you've seenHim walk on water,
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  • you've seen Him cast out demons.
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  • You see Him healparalytics, rise, you know,
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  • raise dead bodies, and now,He's come back to life,
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  • and says, "I'vegot all the power.
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  • "Follow me on this journey.
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  • "I'm gonna take youthrough, to these places
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  • "you've never seen.
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  • "I'm gonna take youthrough these difficulties,
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  • "and we're gonna end upin paradise together."
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  • I mean, what is there tofear when you're with Him?
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  • And yet, I feel like toomany people are going,
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  • eh, God, uh, okay,I'll go with you,
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  • but can we stay within afive mile radius of my house?
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  • Can we kinda, 'cause I likethings the way they are,
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  • or better yet, how 'bout Iget a couple of treadmills,
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  • and we'll put them sideby side in my house,
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  • and then, we walk inthe safety of my home,
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  • and you're just rightnext to me the whole time.
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  • And it's like, no, God'staking us somewhere new.
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  • Okay, as a church,don't you see it?
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  • He's wanting to takeus on a journey,
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  • so don't be like, oh, Iwanna go back to Egypt,
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  • because I knew what wasgonna happen every day,
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  • and I knew they fed us.
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  • Yeah, and this was,you know, it's like,
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  • no, He's takingus somewhere new.
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  • These are promisesfrom Scripture, andwe know the church
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  • can be this way, and so, let'sfollow the resurrected Christ
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  • into a new paradigmand new existence,
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  • into a new land, if you will.
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  • - Yeah.- Wow.
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  • In the last, just moments here,
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  • just close this timetogether, Francis,
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  • in prayer for our audience,those that are viewing
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  • around the world, thatneed to accept these truths
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  • and just kinda close inprayer, if you would,
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  • for these.- Yes, yes.
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  • God, I am praying rightnow for all of those
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  • who are afraid right now.
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  • Would you just opentheir eyes to your glory?
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  • Would you open theireyes to who you are?
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  • Give them a glimpse ofwhat it would've been like
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  • to walk with the resurrectedChrist, and help them
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  • to believe Jesus' promise thatHe would be with us always,
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  • as we are making disciples,not shrinking back.
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  • Help us to believe thewarnings of Scripture, Lord,
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  • that your Wordsays in Hebrews 10,
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  • that you have no pleasure,your soul has no pleasure
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  • in those who shrink back,but we who are righteous
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  • will live by faith,and so, God, I pray,
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  • by your grace, pour thatfaith upon us right now.
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  • Raise up a generation, Lord,
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  • that is excited to go anywhere
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  • the resurrected Jesus,the Holy Spirit of God
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  • leads us, and Lord, I do prayfor the church in America,
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  • as well as the church in HongKong and all around the world,
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  • that this would be a time wherewe would be so close to you
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  • so that we cantruly be led by you,
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  • and you can take away allfear and get us excited, Lord.
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  • Prune your church clean,so that we will be
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  • even more fruitful.
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  • Show us, Lord, show usyour ways, in Jesus' name.
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  • Amen.
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  • - Mm.- Amen.
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  • Aw.- Wow.
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  • Francis Chan, thank you,all the way from Hong Kong.
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  • - Thank you.- We love you, friend.
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  • - We love you, Francis.- Thank you.
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  • - We'll be back toyou at some point,
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  • when we can gettogether, we will, sir.
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  • - We'll see you soon.- Sounds good.
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  • - Okay.- Love you.
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  • - All right, love you.
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  • - Bye-bye.- Bye-bye.
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