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Praise | Israel Tour | 6/28/18

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June 28, 2018
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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Joel & Victoria Osteen and Joseph Prince in Jerusalem, Israel.

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Praise | Israel Tour | 6/28/18

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  • - male announcer: Tonight.
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  • - Matt Crouch: We welcome you
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  • to Jerusalem, Israel.
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  • We have been talking about
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  • this day, and it's finally here,
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  • - Joel Osteen: God's fighting
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  • our battles.
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  • This is time to shine brighter
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  • than ever.
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  • - Joseph Prince: The guiltiest
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  • nation was the one
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  • that Jesus had the gospel
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  • preached to first.
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  • Isn't it like grace?
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  • - announcer: An all new
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  • - announcer: An all new
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  • [music]
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  • - Matt: We welcome you
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  • to Jerusalem, Israel.
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  • And thank God the hope and grace
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  • portion of the Hope and Grace
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  • Tour made it to Israel.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: 'Cause we'd be
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  • a little pathetic without you.
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  • - Matt: It would be awful to be
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  • doing a Hope and Grace Tour
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  • without Joel and Victoria
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  • and Pastor Joseph.
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  • So, welcome to the TBN studios.
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  • Wherever you're watching around
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  • the world, we welcome you.
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  • It's a blustery day
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  • here in Jerusalem,
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  • beautiful but blustery.
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  • So, Victoria's kind of moving
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  • of--it's going to--if Joel just
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  • goes and lays hands on her,
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  • it's not because she's ill,
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  • it's 'cause her hair's moving.
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  • So Joseph, start off.
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  • What is the importance of these
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  • big events that we're doing?
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  • You know, you took time from
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  • your schedule, you joined 2.000
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  • people from around the world,
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  • we're here in Israel.
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  • Why did Joseph Prince do this?
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  • - Joseph: Well, it all started
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  • years ago when I came here with
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  • my pastors and my leaders.
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  • it's as if like instead of just
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  • streams of revelation,
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  • it's like pouring rivers
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  • of revelation into my soul.
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  • And as a pastor,
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  • And it's--the refreshing cannot
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  • just come from your study time
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  • in your--in your study
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  • in one corner.
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  • That can be quite depressing
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  • with books and, you know,
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  • just studying.
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  • Your mind gets crammed.
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  • And why?
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  • The wind blows I expect.
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  • And here, you know, the voice
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  • of God is so--I mean,
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  • it's like so clear.
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  • I hear God and I get revelations
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  • every place I go from the
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  • ground, from the winds,
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  • from the culture.
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  • And I see Jesus every place,
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  • and I go back replenished,
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  • refreshed.
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  • And that's what
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  • my church tells me.
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  • "Pastor, every time you come
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  • back from Israel,
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  • you know, you got so much
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  • in your spirit for us."
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  • And so, I saw that it would do
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  • me good if I get the entire
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  • church to go, you know?
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  • And it is worth a pastor's, you
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  • know, investment in his church
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  • for the people to come to
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  • Israel, see the Bible come alive
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  • in all these places.
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  • And when they go back, not just
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  • that, the friendships develop
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  • down here.
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  • It becomes incidental to church
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  • life that they should invest
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  • in this.
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  • So, I see in all the people that
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  • come here for the first timers
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  • and all that, I know they'll
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  • fall in love with Israel, and
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  • they'll always remember
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  • the places.
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  • When they read the Bible, they
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  • realize, "Hey, wait a minute,
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  • this place is so close,
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  • I thought it was so far away.
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  • Hey, wait a minute, I was there
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  • and I saw the--I understand why
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  • people don't understand this
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  • because the way it looks now."
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  • And you get revelation after
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  • revelation, you know?
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  • I just love to be here,
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  • and I love for people to have
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  • the same experience.
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  • - Matt: When were you
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  • here first?
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  • - Joseph: Oh boy,
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  • it was like 1997.
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  • No, '95.
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  • - Matt: Ninety-five.
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  • - Joseph: Yeah, '95.
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  • - Matt: So, how many times do
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  • you think you've come to--
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  • - Joseph: I've lost count.
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  • Honestly, I've lost count.
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  • I stopped counting.
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  • - Matt: Twenty or thirty?
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  • - Joseph: Probably more
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  • than--more than 30.
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  • - Matt: Okay, beautiful.
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  • So, the grace part of the tour's
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  • here, little word on grace.
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  • - Joseph: Grace is--
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  • this is where it all happened,
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  • the gospel of grace.
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  • And the guiltiest nation was the
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  • one that Jesus had the gospel
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  • preached to first, to the Jew
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  • first and then to the Greek.
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  • Isn't it like grace?
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  • When Jesus rose from the dead,
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  • he says, "Preach the gospel
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  • beginning at Jerusalem,"
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  • the guiltiest city.
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  • And then Samaria, Judea, to the
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  • uttermost parts of the earth.
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  • The guiltiest disciple, if I can
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  • say it, besides Judas was Peter,
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  • who denied knowing him.
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  • And when Jesus rose from the
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  • dead, he made sure there was
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  • a special mention, "Go tell
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  • the disciples and Peter."
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  • So, grace is where all this
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  • happened, and the gospel of
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  • grace right in the place where
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  • they are so steep in the law, in
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  • traditions, the gospel of grace
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  • broke forth.
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  • Where sin abounds, grace
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  • abounded much more.
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  • - Matt: Beautiful.
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  • - Victoria Osteen: You know
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  • what I love about that so much?
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  • I love that 'cause I was
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  • thinking about that Scripture
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  • this morning because we live
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  • it's getting darker and darker.
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  • And I've said to someone,
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  • "You know, what about our--
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  • you know, our grandkids?
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  • What about their grandkids?"
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  • And you know, the hope that
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  • there is grace, that unmerited
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  • the fact that God graces you
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  • to overcome temptations
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  • and to be strong in your spirit,
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  • because if not, you think,
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  • "How do we ever break out?
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  • How do we--how do we
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  • change anything?"
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  • We may not be able to change
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  • the culture, but we don't have
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  • to be like the culture and
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  • our children don't have to be
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  • because they had the grace
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  • of God.
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  • And there's such hope in that.
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  • Oh no, segue to hope.
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  • No, there's such hope in that.
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  • Especially for a mom, Laurie,
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  • don't you think about it?
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  • - Laurie: Well, you know, I
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  • used to think--I remember
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  • being a little girl and I was
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  • thinking, "Man,
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  • everything seems so bad."
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  • But--and I remember using the
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  • word, "It seems like the dark is
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  • getting darker, but the bright
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  • is going to be brighter."
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  • So, now you think about your
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  • children and your grandchildren.
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  • It's only going to get brighter,
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  • you know?
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  • So, you think about how we feel
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  • about the Lord and our passion
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  • for the Word and hope and grace,
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  • think about what our children
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  • are going to--going to feel.
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  • I mean, it's going to be that
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  • much better, let's just say
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  • better than what we are--
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  • that's just going to be brighter
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  • around the world.
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  • So, that's where I'm putting my
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  • hope, Mr. Pastor Joel.
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  • - Matt: Segue.
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  • - Joel: Hey, well, first off,
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  • it's great to be here, Matt.
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  • Thanks to you and Laurie and all
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  • the TBN partners for making
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  • these things happen.
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  • And what a thrill it is to be
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  • with Pastor Joseph.
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  • He's got--he does have
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  • so much revelation.
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  • Joseph, we love being here and
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  • hearing you talk about the--
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  • you know, the different sites
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  • and things.
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  • But you know, it is,
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  • it's hope and grace.
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  • what, our best days are still in
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  • front of us, that God is
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  • on the throne.
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  • And I agree with what we're
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  • talking about, it does seem to
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  • get darker, it's not like when
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  • I grew up in high school.
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  • Things are different now, but
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  • you know, the darker it grows,
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  • the brighter we're going
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  • And you know, the Scripture even
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  • talks about how it's going to
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  • get darker, but the church can
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  • get brighter.
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  • So, that's why, you know,
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  • personally I don't have that
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  • doomsday effect of, "Oh,
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  • it's so terrible."
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  • Yeah, things are difficult,
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  • but you know what?
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  • God's fighting our battles.
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  • This is time to shine brighter
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  • than ever.
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  • And you know--
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  • - Joseph: So, what do you do
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  • in your series on the end times?
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  • What do you--
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  • - Joel: I tune into--tell them
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  • tune into Joseph, yeah.
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  • - Matt: Well, I was going
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  • to ask you, Joel,
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  • about the fifth blood moon,
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  • and I just didn't know exactly
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  • how to describe that.
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  • So, do you--do you--
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  • - Laurie: I would love that.
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  • - Victoria: We had a blue moon
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  • the other day.
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  • - Joel: I don't even have
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  • a good comeback.
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  • - Joseph: Blue moon.
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  • - Joseph: Blue moon.
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  • [music]
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  • And higher than
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  • the mountains that I face
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  • stronger than the power
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  • of the grave
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  • Constant in the trial
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  • and the change
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  • This one thing it remains
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  • - female: Sing your love.
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  • Your love never fails
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  • it never gives up
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  • it never runs out on me
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  • Your love never fails
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  • it never gives up
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  • it never runs out on me
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  • Your love never fails
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  • it never gives up
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  • it never runs out on me
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  • your love
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  • - female: Come on,
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  • sing on and on.
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  • - Matt: Make welcome, please,
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  • Joseph Prince, Pastor Joel
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  • and Victoria Osteen.
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  • And on and on and on
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  • and on it goes
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  • For it overwhelms
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  • and satisfies my soul
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  • - Joel: God's got a plan
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  • and a purpose.
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  • You're anointed to do everything
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  • God's called you to do.
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  • 'Cause this
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  • one thing remains
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  • - Joseph: The law demands
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  • righteousness from sinfully
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  • bankrupt man,
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  • but grace supplies.
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  • Your love never fails
  • 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:16.020
  • it never gives up
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  • it never runs out on me
  • 00:09:17.210 --> 00:09:20.210
  • Your love never fails
  • 00:09:20.210 --> 00:09:22.200
  • it never gives up
  • 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.090
  • it never runs out on me
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  • - Victoria: Whatever you need,
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  • he's on the inside of you.
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  • You've got resurrection power
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  • on the inside of you.
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  • You may feel discouraged some
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  • days, but you got to stir up
  • 00:09:33.220 --> 00:09:35.210
  • that resurrection power.
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  • You got to know that he's got
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  • a plan for your life,
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  • and his plans are good.
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  • In death, in life
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  • I'm confident and covered
  • 00:09:43.110 --> 00:09:46.110
  • by the power
  • 00:09:46.110 --> 00:09:48.110
  • of your great love
  • 00:09:48.190 --> 00:09:51.190
  • - Joseph: Under the law,
  • 00:09:51.190 --> 00:09:52.110
  • God says, "I'll by no means
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  • forget your sins.
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  • I'll visit your sins to your
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  • children's children."
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  • But under grace, God says,
  • 00:09:58.270 --> 00:10:00.110
  • "I'll by no means remember
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  • your sins."
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  • There's been a change.
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  • Your love never fails
  • 00:10:06.030 --> 00:10:07.290
  • it never gives up
  • 00:10:07.290 --> 00:10:09.150
  • it never runs out on me
  • 00:10:10.230 --> 00:10:13.230
  • - Joel: We are people
  • 00:10:13.230 --> 00:10:14.190
  • of destiny.
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  • We're not here by accident.
  • 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:16.270
  • I don't mean just here in
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  • Galilee today, but we're not on
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  • planet Earth by accident.
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  • God's got a plan and a purpose.
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  • We're just stirring up our
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  • faith, rejoicing, thanking God
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  • for what he's done.
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  • And you know what?
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  • Our best days are not behind us,
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  • they're still out
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  • in front of us.
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  • Because on and on
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  • and on and on it goes
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  • Oh, it overwhelms
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  • and satisfies my soul
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  • - Victoria: It's an amazing
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  • miracle that we can stand here
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  • under this umbrella of grace
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  • and hope.
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  • 'Cause this one thing
  • 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.120
  • it remains
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  • 'Cause your love never fails
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  • it never gives up
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  • it never runs out on me
  • 00:11:01.150 --> 00:11:04.130
  • 'Cause your love never fails
  • 00:11:04.130 --> 00:11:06.120
  • it never gives up
  • 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.010
  • it never runs out on me
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  • 'Cause your love never fails
  • 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.270
  • it never gives up
  • 00:11:12.270 --> 00:11:14.150
  • it never runs out on me
  • 00:11:14.230 --> 00:11:17.230
  • - female: Your love, how many
  • 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:19.070
  • believe that?
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  • In death, in life
  • 00:11:24.020 --> 00:11:27.020
  • I'm confident
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  • and covered by the power
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  • of your great love
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  • My debt is paid
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  • there's nothing that can
  • 00:11:40.020 --> 00:11:42.020
  • separate my heart
  • 00:11:42.020 --> 00:11:44.230
  • Your love never fails
  • 00:11:54.050 --> 00:11:56.270
  • oh, your love never fails
  • 00:11:57.110 --> 00:12:00.130
  • - Matt: Hope and Grace,
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  • the tour is underway.
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  • So, wherever you're watching,
  • 00:12:02.090 --> 00:12:03.240
  • we hope you're tuning in.
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  • All right, give us--give us
  • 00:12:05.130 --> 00:12:07.130
  • a little bit of the significance
  • 00:12:07.130 --> 00:12:09.260
  • what's going on behind you.
  • 00:12:13.170 --> 00:12:14.170
  • - Joseph: Well, right behind my
  • 00:12:14.170 --> 00:12:15.180
  • head, literally you see the Dome
  • 00:12:15.180 --> 00:12:17.070
  • of the Rock.
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  • Well, that's the Temple Mound,
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  • and that's the holiest spot.
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  • In the Old Testament,
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  • that would be the holiest spot
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  • in the entire universe.
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  • You know, because that's where
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  • God ordained the Holy of Holies
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  • should be, Kodesh Hakodashim.
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  • And if you will ask me back in
  • 00:12:33.110 --> 00:12:35.070
  • the Old Testament, let's suppose
  • 00:12:35.070 --> 00:12:36.260
  • we live in the Old Testament,
  • 00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:37.250
  • you were to ask me,
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  • "Which is the holiest nation
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  • at that time of all the nations
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  • in the world?"
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  • You will say Israel.
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  • In all Israel,
  • 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:45.110
  • which is the holiest city?
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  • You'll say Jerusalem.
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  • Well, in all Jerusalem,
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  • which is the holiest spot?
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  • You'll say the Temple Mound.
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  • Well, in the temple--
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  • in the temple itself,
  • 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:55.220
  • where is the Holy of Holies?
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  • Right in the temple where the
  • 00:12:58.160 --> 00:13:00.020
  • Ark of the Covenant is.
  • 00:13:00.020 --> 00:13:01.130
  • And right smack dab in the
  • 00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:02.170
  • middle of the Holy of Holies
  • 00:13:02.170 --> 00:13:04.020
  • is the mercy seat.
  • 00:13:04.020 --> 00:13:05.140
  • Right at the heart of God,
  • 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:07.030
  • the holiest subject is mercy.
  • 00:13:08.020 --> 00:13:11.020
  • And sometimes, people
  • 00:13:11.020 --> 00:13:12.070
  • differentiate between grace
  • 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:14.100
  • and holiness as if there's
  • 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:15.140
  • a tension, but actually the
  • 00:13:15.140 --> 00:13:17.060
  • holiest subject you can ever
  • 00:13:17.060 --> 00:13:18.290
  • touch on is grace,
  • 00:13:18.290 --> 00:13:21.040
  • the mercy seat,
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  • where the blood is sprinkled.
  • 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.080
  • Where the mercy seat covers the
  • 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:25.240
  • law, God puts the objects
  • 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.200
  • of men's rebellion.
  • 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.090
  • The three items in the ark are
  • 00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:31.040
  • the Ten Commandments,
  • 00:13:31.040 --> 00:13:33.230
  • the two tablets.
  • 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:35.010
  • You have the jar of manna
  • 00:13:35.010 --> 00:13:37.040
  • because the people murmured.
  • 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:38.220
  • And then they rejected God's
  • 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:40.140
  • appointed leadership, Aaron's
  • 00:13:40.140 --> 00:13:41.260
  • rod that budded it is also
  • 00:13:41.260 --> 00:13:43.000
  • in the ark.
  • 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.050
  • All the emblems of men's
  • 00:13:44.050 --> 00:13:45.020
  • rebelling, God says,
  • 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:46.030
  • "Put it in the ark,
  • 00:13:46.030 --> 00:13:46.280
  • I don't want to see it."
  • 00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:47.260
  • And cover it over with
  • 00:13:47.260 --> 00:13:48.250
  • the mercy seat.
  • 00:13:48.250 --> 00:13:50.060
  • So, mercy is higher
  • 00:13:50.060 --> 00:13:52.040
  • than the law.
  • 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:54.070
  • Grace is higher than the law.
  • 00:13:54.070 --> 00:13:56.100
  • To go back to the law is
  • 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:57.150
  • to fall from grace.
  • 00:13:57.150 --> 00:14:00.110
  • So, the holiest thing, the
  • 00:14:00.110 --> 00:14:01.290
  • holiest place over here, the
  • 00:14:01.290 --> 00:14:03.280
  • back here, all right, is--again
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:05.120
  • is the issue predominant
  • 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.200
  • right now.
  • 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:07.210
  • Jerusalem being the capital of
  • 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:09.180
  • Israel is a hot topic, right?
  • 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:12.230
  • Why is that so?
  • 00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:13.230
  • Spiritually, I think that's
  • 00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:14.170
  • a spiritual reason to all this.
  • 00:14:14.170 --> 00:14:16.170
  • - Matt: It's a beautiful day
  • 00:14:16.170 --> 00:14:17.150
  • in Jerusalem.
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  • We're here with close friends.
  • 00:14:18.290 --> 00:14:21.160
  • Let me ask you guys, what did
  • 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:24.060
  • you grow up in your homes
  • 00:14:24.270 --> 00:14:27.270
  • either hearing about or--
  • 00:14:27.270 --> 00:14:29.290
  • about Jerusalem?
  • 00:14:29.290 --> 00:14:31.050
  • I mean, what was the either the
  • 00:14:31.050 --> 00:14:33.220
  • lack of, or you didn't know much
  • 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:35.180
  • about, or what would've been
  • 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:38.060
  • your early thoughts about--
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  • because my experience was
  • 00:14:40.070 --> 00:14:42.160
  • from 1975, so I'd have been
  • 00:14:42.160 --> 00:14:44.230
  • 14 years old, my parents were
  • 00:14:44.230 --> 00:14:47.160
  • taking tours here.
  • 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:49.030
  • Now, certainly I didn't
  • 00:14:49.030 --> 00:14:50.170
  • understand, you know,
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:52.190
  • the importance myself.
  • 00:14:52.190 --> 00:14:53.290
  • But in my own family, I think my
  • 00:14:53.290 --> 00:14:56.290
  • parents got invited to Israel
  • 00:14:57.040 --> 00:15:00.060
  • by an old timer minister
  • 00:15:00.060 --> 00:15:03.020
  • named Doug Clark way back
  • 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:04.130
  • in the late '60s.
  • 00:15:04.130 --> 00:15:06.130
  • And then by the--
  • 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.240
  • by the mid '70s, we were
  • 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.180
  • taking TBN tours.
  • 00:15:11.180 --> 00:15:13.130
  • And so, I remember
  • 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:14.250
  • coming here once, twice,
  • 00:15:14.250 --> 00:15:16.210
  • three times a year for years.
  • 00:15:16.210 --> 00:15:18.170
  • So, I've been--yeah,
  • 00:15:18.170 --> 00:15:19.270
  • I lost count too.
  • 00:15:19.270 --> 00:15:21.010
  • I don't have any idea.
  • 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:21.290
  • What would you have been
  • 00:15:21.290 --> 00:15:22.240
  • thinking about Israel
  • 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:23.260
  • in the early days?
  • 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:24.200
  • - Joel: You know, Matt, growing
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:25.180
  • up, my parents would come
  • 00:15:25.180 --> 00:15:26.230
  • over here from time to time.
  • 00:15:26.230 --> 00:15:28.120
  • And you know, it was--
  • 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.020
  • it was significant.
  • 00:15:30.020 --> 00:15:31.040
  • We knew what it meant growing
  • 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:32.120
  • up, but I came when I was maybe
  • 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.040
  • 17 or 18 and wasn't--was more
  • 00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:37.270
  • not--you know, not taking
  • 00:15:37.270 --> 00:15:39.150
  • in all the sites as much.
  • 00:15:39.150 --> 00:15:40.240
  • We were just coming through
  • 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:41.250
  • for a couple of days.
  • 00:15:41.250 --> 00:15:42.220
  • So, then when I took over
  • 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:44.140
  • for my father in 1999, things
  • 00:15:44.140 --> 00:15:46.130
  • were very busy, I hadn't--
  • 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:47.240
  • I hadn't been back here.
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.060
  • It was very different coming
  • 00:15:49.060 --> 00:15:50.140
  • back now as a minister
  • 00:15:50.140 --> 00:15:51.190
  • and having grown a little bit
  • 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:53.010
  • and really, you know,
  • 00:15:53.010 --> 00:15:54.110
  • studying the Bible.
  • 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:55.130
  • Just like Joseph said, the sites
  • 00:15:55.130 --> 00:15:56.210
  • come alive and you realize--you
  • 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:59.020
  • know, it just brings perspective
  • 00:15:59.020 --> 00:16:01.110
  • to everything.
  • 00:16:01.110 --> 00:16:02.090
  • So, it was a--it was real
  • 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:04.040
  • eye-opening for me
  • 00:16:04.040 --> 00:16:05.050
  • the last time I came.
  • 00:16:05.050 --> 00:16:06.020
  • And since we've been with you
  • 00:16:06.020 --> 00:16:07.060
  • all for a few times, but I'm
  • 00:16:07.060 --> 00:16:09.120
  • like--I'm like Joseph that--
  • 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.130
  • like Joseph mentioned,
  • 00:16:11.130 --> 00:16:12.110
  • to have--to come over
  • 00:16:12.110 --> 00:16:14.090
  • and really understand the sites.
  • 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:16.060
  • And you know, we thought too,
  • 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:17.180
  • "Is it going to be safe?"
  • 00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:18.220
  • And I've never felt more peace
  • 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:20.090
  • than being here.
  • 00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:21.140
  • There's a peace here that you
  • 00:16:21.140 --> 00:16:23.050
  • can't really explain it.
  • 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:24.070
  • I've just told people, "There's
  • 00:16:24.070 --> 00:16:25.080
  • just something special
  • 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.120
  • about it."
  • 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:27.100
  • And so, you know, now it's--
  • 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.100
  • you know, your heart grows
  • 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:30.080
  • closer to it and you realize
  • 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:31.200
  • what the Scriptures
  • 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.180
  • talk about it.
  • 00:16:32.180 --> 00:16:33.180
  • And even, you know, hearing
  • 00:16:33.180 --> 00:16:34.200
  • Joseph talk about, you know,
  • 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.040
  • the holiest place.
  • 00:16:36.040 --> 00:16:37.160
  • But you know, just the fact that
  • 00:16:37.160 --> 00:16:38.270
  • God calls Jerusalem home and
  • 00:16:38.270 --> 00:16:40.210
  • he's--you know, he set aside
  • 00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:42.230
  • this place in the earth.
  • 00:16:42.230 --> 00:16:44.090
  • And we were talking with Samuel
  • 00:16:44.090 --> 00:16:45.220
  • earlier about just how the
  • 00:16:45.220 --> 00:16:47.140
  • economy here, maybe not exactly
  • 00:16:47.140 --> 00:16:49.050
  • the economy, but it outperforms
  • 00:16:49.050 --> 00:16:50.280
  • all of Europe combined.
  • 00:16:50.280 --> 00:16:52.200
  • And you think about this little
  • 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:53.220
  • piece of land, there's just
  • 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:55.210
  • God's blessing upon it.
  • 00:16:55.210 --> 00:16:57.060
  • And you know, God says, "You're
  • 00:16:57.060 --> 00:16:59.030
  • blessed when you bless Israel."
  • 00:16:59.030 --> 00:17:00.160
  • And so, we're here taking
  • 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:01.240
  • in the sites and blessing Israel
  • 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.000
  • as well.
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.040
  • - Matt: Victoria, what would
  • 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:05.020
  • you have grown up in your house,
  • 00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:05.290
  • what would you have
  • 00:17:05.290 --> 00:17:06.240
  • known about--
  • 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:07.180
  • - Victoria: Well, I was in--
  • 00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:08.100
  • I grew up in
  • 00:17:08.100 --> 00:17:09.060
  • the jewelry business,
  • 00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:10.020
  • so we dealt with a lot
  • 00:17:10.020 --> 00:17:11.010
  • of Jewish people.
  • 00:17:11.010 --> 00:17:12.010
  • All--they're all diamond
  • 00:17:12.010 --> 00:17:13.160
  • salesmen, they're all very
  • 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:14.230
  • wealthy, you know?
  • 00:17:14.230 --> 00:17:15.270
  • A lot of them in New York, so
  • 00:17:15.270 --> 00:17:17.260
  • the Hassidic Jews with the--with
  • 00:17:17.260 --> 00:17:19.270
  • their curls and their yarmulkes.
  • 00:17:19.270 --> 00:17:21.290
  • And so, that's about what I knew
  • 00:17:21.290 --> 00:17:24.050
  • about--you know,
  • 00:17:24.050 --> 00:17:25.180
  • when Israel, I thought,
  • 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:26.220
  • "Oh, they all come from Israel,"
  • 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:27.290
  • except for the fact that,
  • 00:17:27.290 --> 00:17:29.000
  • you know, you hear,
  • 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.040
  • "Pray for Israel."
  • 00:17:30.040 --> 00:17:31.060
  • You know, that was
  • 00:17:31.060 --> 00:17:32.070
  • a common thing.
  • 00:17:32.070 --> 00:17:33.080
  • "That's God's place.
  • 00:17:33.080 --> 00:17:34.060
  • Pray for Israel."
  • 00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:35.040
  • But we came over here in 2011
  • 00:17:35.040 --> 00:17:36.130
  • with you, we did our Night of
  • 00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:38.170
  • Hope and did some things, and it
  • 00:17:38.170 --> 00:17:40.280
  • was so amazing to me because
  • 00:17:40.280 --> 00:17:42.230
  • I was thinking about when you
  • 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:43.270
  • were talking earlier when you
  • 00:17:43.270 --> 00:17:45.000
  • bring your church.
  • 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:46.090
  • I think it makes you want to go
  • 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:48.170
  • back and read
  • 00:17:48.170 --> 00:17:49.260
  • the Scriptures differently.
  • 00:17:49.260 --> 00:17:51.170
  • And it makes you think, "Well,
  • 00:17:51.170 --> 00:17:52.230
  • I don't--do I remember that?
  • 00:17:52.230 --> 00:17:53.270
  • Do I know that?"
  • 00:17:53.270 --> 00:17:54.280
  • So, it makes you want to get
  • 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:56.060
  • into your Bible more.
  • 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:58.040
  • And so, that's what I did.
  • 00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:00.020
  • I thought, "This is really
  • 00:18:00.020 --> 00:18:01.040
  • interesting," things that maybe
  • 00:18:01.040 --> 00:18:02.250
  • I just kind of breeze by when
  • 00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:04.060
  • I read or didn't think
  • 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:05.240
  • as much about, deeply about.
  • 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.160
  • I had a little more knowledge
  • 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.140
  • and a little more, you know,
  • 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:10.180
  • perspective I should say.
  • 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:11.260
  • So, that's kind of what I'm
  • 00:18:11.260 --> 00:18:13.070
  • thinking about when you bring
  • 00:18:13.070 --> 00:18:14.150
  • your churches, when people come
  • 00:18:14.150 --> 00:18:16.050
  • over here, maybe the things that
  • 00:18:16.050 --> 00:18:17.240
  • you didn't really pay much
  • 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.130
  • attention to in the Bible really
  • 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:21.130
  • become more interesting
  • 00:18:21.130 --> 00:18:22.200
  • and fascinating to you.
  • 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:23.230
  • So, you know, that was really
  • 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.220
  • my thing.
  • 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:26.220
  • And now, I see these Hassidic
  • 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:27.220
  • Jews and, you know, and I see
  • 00:18:27.220 --> 00:18:30.120
  • just the different sects of the
  • 00:18:30.120 --> 00:18:31.270
  • Jewish people and how they're
  • 00:18:31.270 --> 00:18:33.230
  • even different culturally and
  • 00:18:33.230 --> 00:18:35.130
  • how that some are very still in
  • 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:37.000
  • the law, and some have converted
  • 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.070
  • to Christianity, and some
  • 00:18:39.070 --> 00:18:40.180
  • are still kind of in between.
  • 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:42.110
  • And so, it's fascinating that
  • 00:18:42.110 --> 00:18:44.020
  • this--and also the peace here.
  • 00:18:44.070 --> 00:18:47.070
  • You know, 'cause it's like when
  • 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:48.100
  • I left the first time, it's like
  • 00:18:48.100 --> 00:18:49.110
  • my mother's like, "Oh my God,
  • 00:18:49.110 --> 00:18:50.290
  • be careful."
  • 00:18:50.290 --> 00:18:52.010
  • You know, you know, that's--you
  • 00:18:52.010 --> 00:18:53.200
  • know how moms are, you know?
  • 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.000
  • And so I was like, "Okay,"
  • 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.020
  • you know?
  • 00:18:56.020 --> 00:18:57.010
  • And so, it was just beautifully
  • 00:18:57.010 --> 00:18:58.020
  • peaceful.
  • 00:18:58.020 --> 00:18:59.040
  • It was like God has a covering.
  • 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:00.200
  • And they say this is one
  • 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:01.240
  • of the safest places now.
  • 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:02.290
  • In Europe, I mean, in even
  • 00:19:02.290 --> 00:19:05.260
  • Europe, this is a safer place,
  • 00:19:05.260 --> 00:19:07.130
  • so it's really interesting.
  • 00:19:07.130 --> 00:19:08.170
  • - Matt: We love being here.
  • 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:09.220
  • I'm going to ask you the same
  • 00:19:09.220 --> 00:19:10.190
  • question.
  • 00:19:10.190 --> 00:19:11.200
  • But you know, when you were
  • 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:12.200
  • saying about just being here
  • 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.060
  • and why or how
  • 00:19:14.060 --> 00:19:15.140
  • the Bible comes alive,
  • 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:17.010
  • I'll explain one of that--
  • 00:19:17.010 --> 00:19:18.130
  • one of those ways for me
  • 00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:19.240
  • is the topography of Jerusalem.
  • 00:19:20.050 --> 00:19:23.050
  • You don't really understand it
  • 00:19:23.050 --> 00:19:25.110
  • by just reading.
  • 00:19:25.110 --> 00:19:26.250
  • Why does the Psalms say, "Lift
  • 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:28.230
  • up your eyes unto Jerusalem?"
  • 00:19:28.230 --> 00:19:31.070
  • Well, we're not looking exactly
  • 00:19:31.070 --> 00:19:33.120
  • north looking this way,
  • 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:35.050
  • but we're looking kind of.
  • 00:19:35.050 --> 00:19:36.130
  • I think north is more kind
  • 00:19:36.130 --> 00:19:37.130
  • of that way.
  • 00:19:37.130 --> 00:19:38.100
  • But when you drop off behind our
  • 00:19:38.100 --> 00:19:40.050
  • view, you literally drop off.
  • 00:19:40.050 --> 00:19:42.240
  • I mean, you just start
  • 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.030
  • driving downhill.
  • 00:19:44.030 --> 00:19:45.110
  • If you were down
  • 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:46.270
  • at the Jordan River valley,
  • 00:19:46.270 --> 00:19:49.100
  • Jerusalem looks like
  • 00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:50.220
  • it's way up on a hill.
  • 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:52.210
  • So, lift my eyes up unto
  • 00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:55.140
  • Jerusalem, to the hills.
  • 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.290
  • - Laurie: So, when you're
  • 00:19:56.290 --> 00:19:57.270
  • reading the Psalms, the Psalms
  • 00:19:57.270 --> 00:19:58.270
  • of the ascent, you know?
  • 00:19:58.270 --> 00:20:00.050
  • I lift my eyes towards
  • 00:20:00.050 --> 00:20:01.080
  • the mountain where will
  • 00:20:01.080 --> 00:20:02.130
  • my help come from.
  • 00:20:02.130 --> 00:20:03.270
  • You know, my foot will not
  • 00:20:03.270 --> 00:20:04.280
  • stumble, I won't slip.
  • 00:20:04.280 --> 00:20:06.050
  • You know, all those
  • 00:20:06.050 --> 00:20:07.250
  • beautiful--and you know, I sit
  • 00:20:07.250 --> 00:20:09.050
  • here and think, "These are the
  • 00:20:09.050 --> 00:20:10.240
  • same--that's the same sun
  • 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.060
  • that Jesus sat under.
  • 00:20:13.060 --> 00:20:15.110
  • Those are the same stars
  • 00:20:15.110 --> 00:20:16.260
  • that David sang under."
  • 00:20:16.260 --> 00:20:18.250
  • I know.
  • 00:20:18.250 --> 00:20:19.240
  • You know, and that's at home
  • 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:21.060
  • too, but when you're here,
  • 00:20:21.060 --> 00:20:22.280
  • it just--you know,
  • 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:24.080
  • it was right here.
  • 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:25.100
  • - Matt: What would you have
  • 00:20:25.100 --> 00:20:26.120
  • thought about Israel
  • 00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:27.190
  • when you were young?
  • 00:20:27.190 --> 00:20:28.260
  • Growing up where you grew up
  • 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:30.290
  • and your family and--
  • 00:20:30.290 --> 00:20:33.010
  • - Joseph: I probably heard the
  • 00:20:33.010 --> 00:20:34.030
  • negative side of things about,
  • 00:20:34.030 --> 00:20:36.010
  • you know, the Jews, and you
  • 00:20:36.010 --> 00:20:37.120
  • know, the cliche that's--
  • 00:20:37.120 --> 00:20:38.170
  • you know, all those things.
  • 00:20:38.170 --> 00:20:39.260
  • But it was only when I was born
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:42.210
  • again as a Christian, I was
  • 00:20:42.210 --> 00:20:45.100
  • reading some of the end times
  • 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:47.040
  • stuff and all that which
  • 00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:48.150
  • I don't fully recommend.
  • 00:20:48.150 --> 00:20:50.000
  • You got to be discerning
  • 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.040
  • what you read.
  • 00:20:51.040 --> 00:20:52.040
  • But those things helped me
  • 00:20:52.040 --> 00:20:53.070
  • to understand that God
  • 00:20:53.070 --> 00:20:54.050
  • is still moving in the land.
  • 00:20:54.140 --> 00:20:57.140
  • Not everything is--you know,
  • 00:20:57.140 --> 00:20:58.260
  • some that's just doom and gloom,
  • 00:20:58.260 --> 00:21:00.030
  • you know?
  • 00:21:00.030 --> 00:21:01.050
  • It paints a negative picture.
  • 00:21:01.050 --> 00:21:01.290
  • But hey, the Lord is coming back
  • 00:21:01.290 --> 00:21:03.040
  • right here.
  • 00:21:03.040 --> 00:21:04.060
  • His feet is going to touch down
  • 00:21:04.060 --> 00:21:05.050
  • here.
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:06.020
  • Now, the Rapture's going to
  • 00:21:06.020 --> 00:21:07.020
  • happen first, where he'll meet
  • 00:21:07.020 --> 00:21:08.070
  • us in the mid-air,
  • 00:21:08.070 --> 00:21:09.070
  • but when he comes back
  • 00:21:09.070 --> 00:21:10.110
  • to Israel, it is this part
  • 00:21:10.110 --> 00:21:11.190
  • here right behind us.
  • 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:12.260
  • You can see a steeple, the
  • 00:21:12.260 --> 00:21:13.280
  • Monastery of Ascension, that's
  • 00:21:13.280 --> 00:21:15.130
  • where he will come back to.
  • 00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:17.220
  • That hill over there,
  • 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:19.140
  • Mount of Olives, is where
  • 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:21.010
  • it's going to split in two.
  • 00:21:21.010 --> 00:21:22.130
  • So, reading end times stuff, you
  • 00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:23.270
  • know, puts a perspective, like
  • 00:21:23.270 --> 00:21:25.240
  • what Joel and Victoria were
  • 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.040
  • saying, to the place.
  • 00:21:27.040 --> 00:21:28.090
  • And then you realize, "Hey,
  • 00:21:28.090 --> 00:21:29.110
  • you know, God is still
  • 00:21:29.110 --> 00:21:30.190
  • not finished with Israel yet."
  • 00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:31.240
  • All right, the devil used to
  • 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:32.270
  • attack the fact that the people
  • 00:21:32.270 --> 00:21:34.250
  • must not be in the land.
  • 00:21:34.250 --> 00:21:35.260
  • He's tried to get the people out
  • 00:21:35.260 --> 00:21:37.010
  • of the land so that the Messiah
  • 00:21:37.010 --> 00:21:38.060
  • will not be born.
  • 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:39.100
  • But now, the Messiah has come
  • 00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:40.240
  • and he's been crucified
  • 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:41.230
  • and he rose from the dead.
  • 00:21:41.230 --> 00:21:42.270
  • Why is the devil still not
  • 00:21:42.270 --> 00:21:43.280
  • wanting the people in the land?
  • 00:21:43.280 --> 00:21:46.240
  • Because he's coming back
  • 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:47.220
  • to the land.
  • 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:49.220
  • - announcer: Coming up.
  • 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:50.260
  • - Joseph: Why is there such
  • 00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:51.220
  • turmoil and chaos and division
  • 00:21:52.060 --> 00:21:55.060
  • over this land?
  • 00:21:55.060 --> 00:21:56.090
  • You can tell that there
  • 00:21:56.090 --> 00:21:57.110
  • is something stirring
  • 00:21:57.110 --> 00:21:58.090
  • in the Spirit.
  • 00:21:58.090 --> 00:21:59.060
  • So, 2.000 years ago,
  • 00:21:59.060 --> 00:22:00.060
  • the prophecy is already that
  • 00:22:00.060 --> 00:22:01.140
  • the Jews will be in the land
  • 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:03.140
  • when he returns.
  • 00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:04.120
  • And I believe that's one of
  • 00:22:04.120 --> 00:22:05.100
  • the primary reasons that God
  • 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:06.260
  • has raised TBN.
  • 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:08.150
  • - announcer: Don't go away,
  • 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:09.230
  • - announcer: Don't go away,
  • 00:22:09.230 --> 00:22:14.220
  • - Donald Trump: It is time to
  • 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:22.220
  • officially recognize Jerusalem
  • 00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:26.190
  • - male: Standing with Israel
  • 00:22:31.100 --> 00:22:32.110
  • is where America needs to be
  • 00:22:32.110 --> 00:22:34.270
  • in the world.
  • 00:22:34.270 --> 00:22:36.050
  • - female: We welcome you
  • 00:22:36.050 --> 00:22:37.030
  • officially to the Embassy of the
  • 00:22:37.030 --> 00:22:39.040
  • United States here in Jerusalem,
  • 00:22:39.040 --> 00:22:42.020
  • United States here in Jerusalem,
  • 00:22:42.020 --> 00:22:44.250
  • [music]
  • 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:51.250
  • - male: This is the fulfillment
  • 00:22:55.090 --> 00:22:58.090
  • of prophecy.
  • 00:22:58.090 --> 00:23:00.020
  • This is the word on the lips of
  • 00:23:00.020 --> 00:23:02.000
  • every Jew since Abraham, the
  • 00:23:02.270 --> 00:23:05.270
  • word on the lips of every Jew
  • 00:23:05.270 --> 00:23:07.190
  • in the Holocaust.
  • 00:23:07.190 --> 00:23:09.030
  • - Benjamin Netanyahu: You can
  • 00:23:09.030 --> 00:23:10.020
  • only build peace on truth, and
  • 00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:12.000
  • the truth is that Jerusalem has
  • 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.060
  • been and will always be the
  • 00:23:14.060 --> 00:23:16.110
  • capital of the Jewish people,
  • 00:23:16.110 --> 00:23:18.080
  • - Matt: When the Bible says,
  • 00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:25.150
  • "Pray for the peace of
  • 00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:26.250
  • Jerusalem," why do you think
  • 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:28.100
  • that's important?
  • 00:23:28.100 --> 00:23:30.060
  • - Joseph: Well, I think
  • 00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:31.040
  • first and foremost, we owe it
  • 00:23:31.040 --> 00:23:33.040
  • to Israel, all right?
  • 00:23:33.040 --> 00:23:34.160
  • We have benefited from their
  • 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:35.120
  • from their Bible, all right?
  • 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.170
  • Predominantly it's Jewish.
  • 00:23:39.170 --> 00:23:41.070
  • And to pray for Jerusalem, you
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:44.140
  • know, it's something about God,
  • 00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:45.120
  • God wants cooperation.
  • 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:46.270
  • but he will not do things, you
  • 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:50.160
  • know, without us, all right?
  • 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.200
  • But he wants to--
  • 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:53.290
  • he wants that labor in prayer,
  • 00:23:53.290 --> 00:23:56.130
  • where we affirm.
  • 00:23:56.130 --> 00:23:57.150
  • Like you know, he mentioned
  • 00:23:57.150 --> 00:23:58.250
  • to the prophet Jeremiah that
  • 00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:01.010
  • Israel will be in captivity only
  • 00:24:01.010 --> 00:24:02.080
  • for 70 years, right?
  • 00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:05.210
  • And yet, at the end of 70 years,
  • 00:24:05.210 --> 00:24:08.070
  • Daniel prayed when he realized,
  • 00:24:08.070 --> 00:24:10.030
  • he prayed, "Hey,
  • 00:24:10.030 --> 00:24:11.150
  • Jeremiah says after 70 years
  • 00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:12.260
  • we'll be liberated."
  • 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:14.050
  • Yet he prayed for that liberty
  • 00:24:14.050 --> 00:24:15.230
  • to happen.
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  • So, even though we know
  • 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:17.270
  • it's God's will, I pray above
  • 00:24:17.270 --> 00:24:20.020
  • all things that you prosper
  • 00:24:20.020 --> 00:24:21.130
  • and be in health,
  • 00:24:21.130 --> 00:24:22.180
  • even as your soul prospers.
  • 00:24:22.180 --> 00:24:23.280
  • And I think sometimes
  • 00:24:23.280 --> 00:24:24.230
  • we miss that.
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:25.210
  • We're not praying
  • 00:24:25.210 --> 00:24:26.170
  • for our souls to prosper.
  • 00:24:26.170 --> 00:24:27.160
  • We're not praying
  • 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:28.140
  • for people's prosperity.
  • 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.060
  • Because we know it's God's will,
  • 00:24:29.060 --> 00:24:30.100
  • we just say, "Well, brother,
  • 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:31.110
  • it's God's will."
  • 00:24:31.110 --> 00:24:32.130
  • Right, but we need to pray.
  • 00:24:32.130 --> 00:24:34.200
  • To pray means to cooperate
  • 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.270
  • with God.
  • 00:24:35.270 --> 00:24:36.250
  • And even though God wishes
  • 00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:37.240
  • for the shalom of Jerusalem,
  • 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.260
  • all right, he wants us--because
  • 00:24:39.260 --> 00:24:41.090
  • we have influence with God.
  • 00:24:41.090 --> 00:24:42.170
  • Of all the peoples on earth,
  • 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:43.190
  • we have influence with God.
  • 00:24:43.190 --> 00:24:45.110
  • And we use that influence in
  • 00:24:45.110 --> 00:24:46.120
  • prayer to effect what he has
  • 00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:49.060
  • already established as his will.
  • 00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:52.080
  • - Victoria: It's an investment.
  • 00:24:52.080 --> 00:24:53.050
  • Prayer is an investment.
  • 00:24:53.050 --> 00:24:54.060
  • It's an investment of your time,
  • 00:24:54.060 --> 00:24:55.130
  • it's an investment
  • 00:24:55.130 --> 00:24:56.070
  • of your consciousness.
  • 00:24:56.070 --> 00:24:57.070
  • that's why God says,
  • 00:24:59.130 --> 00:24:59.290
  • "Pray for your enemies,"
  • 00:24:59.290 --> 00:25:00.260
  • is you're investing in that.
  • 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:01.270
  • So, pray for Jerusalem
  • 00:25:01.270 --> 00:25:03.020
  • is an investment.
  • 00:25:03.020 --> 00:25:05.060
  • So, I think that's another
  • 00:25:05.060 --> 00:25:06.250
  • reason God wants your heart
  • 00:25:06.250 --> 00:25:08.000
  • attached to that,
  • 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.150
  • the importance of that.
  • 00:25:09.150 --> 00:25:11.100
  • And so, you know, that--I think
  • 00:25:11.100 --> 00:25:13.030
  • so important for Jerusalem.
  • 00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:16.210
  • - Matt: Joseph, where does
  • 00:25:16.210 --> 00:25:17.190
  • it say in the Bible--
  • 00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:18.160
  • this is a test, by the way.
  • 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.210
  • You're a pastor,
  • 00:25:19.210 --> 00:25:20.190
  • you should know this.
  • 00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:21.160
  • I went to Joseph first
  • 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.260
  • instead of you, Joel,
  • 00:25:22.260 --> 00:25:23.260
  • so I'm just being kind to you.
  • 00:25:23.260 --> 00:25:26.170
  • You can thank me later.
  • 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:27.200
  • What should our mission be today
  • 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.130
  • in prayer for--I mean, look,
  • 00:25:30.130 --> 00:25:33.060
  • it's easy to pray for the peace
  • 00:25:33.060 --> 00:25:34.230
  • of Jerusalem, you can say that.
  • 00:25:34.230 --> 00:25:36.210
  • What is our mission really
  • 00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:38.280
  • as Christians for this nation?
  • 00:25:38.280 --> 00:25:40.240
  • - Joseph: I'm glad you asked
  • 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.230
  • that, and I believe that's one
  • 00:25:41.230 --> 00:25:42.180
  • of the primary reasons that God
  • 00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:44.050
  • has raised TBN, and why he has
  • 00:25:44.050 --> 00:25:46.100
  • put that love in your parent's
  • 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:48.150
  • hearts for Israel.
  • 00:25:48.150 --> 00:25:50.160
  • I believe when we pray for them,
  • 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.260
  • we need to pray
  • 00:25:51.260 --> 00:25:52.250
  • for their salvation.
  • 00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:53.260
  • I know there are people who
  • 00:25:53.260 --> 00:25:54.230
  • believe that they are--
  • 00:25:54.230 --> 00:25:55.240
  • you don't have to pray for them,
  • 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:56.220
  • let's not offend them.
  • 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.050
  • Well, they believe that
  • 00:25:58.050 --> 00:25:59.240
  • all Israel will be saved,
  • 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:00.290
  • and I believe that ultimately,
  • 00:26:00.290 --> 00:26:02.120
  • all right?
  • 00:26:02.120 --> 00:26:03.050
  • But we still need to pray for
  • 00:26:03.050 --> 00:26:04.220
  • their salvation, that their eyes
  • 00:26:04.220 --> 00:26:06.090
  • will be opened like Paul
  • 00:26:06.090 --> 00:26:08.250
  • the apostle.
  • 00:26:08.250 --> 00:26:10.100
  • Now, if you say that we don't
  • 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:11.240
  • have to pray for them, then we
  • 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.070
  • don't have to preach the gospel
  • 00:26:13.070 --> 00:26:14.090
  • to them, then why did
  • 00:26:14.090 --> 00:26:15.160
  • Paul suffer so much?
  • 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.260
  • Paul suffered persecution
  • 00:26:17.260 --> 00:26:19.030
  • at the hands of the Jews.
  • 00:26:19.030 --> 00:26:20.110
  • They stoned him, they beat him
  • 00:26:20.110 --> 00:26:21.270
  • up because he preached
  • 00:26:21.270 --> 00:26:23.000
  • the gospel to them.
  • 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:23.280
  • So, the greatest favor we can do
  • 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:25.030
  • for Israel is not just to come
  • 00:26:25.030 --> 00:26:27.270
  • here and visit them and love
  • 00:26:27.270 --> 00:26:29.190
  • them like from a distance, but
  • 00:26:29.190 --> 00:26:31.070
  • the greatest love is to preach
  • 00:26:31.070 --> 00:26:32.270
  • the gospel to them.
  • 00:26:32.270 --> 00:26:34.120
  • - Matt: Why can we sit here and
  • 00:26:34.120 --> 00:26:35.290
  • say there's something special
  • 00:26:35.290 --> 00:26:37.250
  • about this land, okay?
  • 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:40.020
  • Where can we claim and stake
  • 00:26:40.220 --> 00:26:43.220
  • a Scripture in the ground that
  • 00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:45.260
  • it's special to be here,
  • 00:26:45.260 --> 00:26:47.150
  • it's special to even do
  • 00:26:47.150 --> 00:26:49.070
  • a program from here?
  • 00:26:49.070 --> 00:26:50.270
  • - Joseph: Well, like what I
  • 00:26:50.270 --> 00:26:52.180
  • say, you know, if you--like what
  • 00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:54.220
  • I'd like to say, you can't tell
  • 00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:56.190
  • what God is doing.
  • 00:26:56.190 --> 00:26:58.150
  • You know, many a times we don't
  • 00:26:58.150 --> 00:26:59.230
  • really see what God is doing, or
  • 00:26:59.230 --> 00:27:01.070
  • we can't tell what God is doing
  • 00:27:01.070 --> 00:27:02.160
  • because what God does
  • 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.180
  • is invisible.
  • 00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:04.210
  • That's why we walk by faith
  • 00:27:04.210 --> 00:27:05.210
  • and not by sight.
  • 00:27:05.210 --> 00:27:06.180
  • Well, you can't tell what God is
  • 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:07.210
  • doing, just see what the devil
  • 00:27:07.210 --> 00:27:08.210
  • is doing, you know?
  • 00:27:08.210 --> 00:27:10.240
  • Why all this tiny city here,
  • 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.230
  • all right, and small nation of
  • 00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:14.230
  • Israel, why is there such a--you
  • 00:27:14.230 --> 00:27:17.000
  • know, such a turmoil and chaos,
  • 00:27:17.270 --> 00:27:20.270
  • and you know, such a division
  • 00:27:20.290 --> 00:27:23.290
  • over this land?
  • 00:27:23.290 --> 00:27:25.080
  • You know, you can tell that
  • 00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:26.260
  • there's something stirring
  • 00:27:26.260 --> 00:27:27.270
  • in the Spirit.
  • 00:27:27.270 --> 00:27:28.280
  • So, besides that, the Scriptures
  • 00:27:28.280 --> 00:27:30.120
  • tell us that Jesus is coming
  • 00:27:30.120 --> 00:27:31.230
  • back to this land.
  • 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:32.250
  • Some people say, "Well,
  • 00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:33.250
  • this land is just good
  • 00:27:33.250 --> 00:27:34.260
  • for Old Testament," all right?
  • 00:27:34.260 --> 00:27:36.100
  • Well, like I said just now, the
  • 00:27:36.100 --> 00:27:38.030
  • devil tried to stop the Jews
  • 00:27:38.030 --> 00:27:39.050
  • from occupying this land because
  • 00:27:39.050 --> 00:27:41.090
  • Jesus would have to come
  • 00:27:41.090 --> 00:27:42.240
  • when the Jews are in this land,
  • 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.120
  • all right?
  • 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:45.120
  • So, that happened
  • 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:46.140
  • 2.000 years ago.
  • 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.120
  • We know that he came, he died,
  • 00:27:47.120 --> 00:27:48.210
  • he rose again.
  • 00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:49.250
  • But why now?
  • 00:27:49.250 --> 00:27:50.250
  • Why is the enemy still not
  • 00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:52.190
  • wanting the Jews to be here?
  • 00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:54.030
  • He want to push all the Israel
  • 00:27:54.030 --> 00:27:55.120
  • into the Mediterranean Sea,
  • 00:27:55.120 --> 00:27:56.150
  • you know?
  • 00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:57.150
  • Why is that persecution
  • 00:27:57.150 --> 00:27:58.100
  • and that--you know,
  • 00:27:58.100 --> 00:27:59.180
  • why is it still there?
  • 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:00.240
  • Because the devil knows he's
  • 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.090
  • coming back to this land,
  • 00:28:02.090 --> 00:28:04.040
  • and he's coming back to rescue
  • 00:28:04.040 --> 00:28:05.090
  • his people in this land.
  • 00:28:05.090 --> 00:28:06.140
  • So, 2.000 years ago,
  • 00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:07.180
  • the prophecy is already that
  • 00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:08.240
  • the Jews will be in the land
  • 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.250
  • when he returns.
  • 00:28:10.250 --> 00:28:11.220
  • So, right now in 1948, you know,
  • 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.200
  • we missed it by a mile,
  • 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.210
  • you know?
  • 00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:15.230
  • We missed it because we didn't
  • 00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:16.210
  • even see that something
  • 00:28:16.210 --> 00:28:17.220
  • prophetic was happening.
  • 00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:18.240
  • The Jews that were scattered
  • 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.260
  • came back to the land,
  • 00:28:19.260 --> 00:28:22.000
  • all right?
  • 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:23.010
  • In the Six Day War, Jesus said
  • 00:28:23.010 --> 00:28:24.280
  • Jerusalem back here, will be
  • 00:28:24.280 --> 00:28:27.090
  • under the foot of Gentiles
  • 00:28:27.090 --> 00:28:29.270
  • until the times of Gentiles
  • 00:28:29.270 --> 00:28:31.080
  • be fulfilled.
  • 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:33.050
  • For 2.000 years, Jerusalem has
  • 00:28:33.050 --> 00:28:35.050
  • been under the feet of non-Jews:
  • 00:28:35.050 --> 00:28:37.020
  • the Romans, the Mamelukes, you
  • 00:28:37.020 --> 00:28:39.130
  • know, and lately the Turkish,
  • 00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:41.230
  • and then the British
  • 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:43.050
  • for 2.000 years.
  • 00:28:43.050 --> 00:28:44.080
  • But in the Six Day War, 1967,
  • 00:28:44.270 --> 00:28:47.270
  • unparalleled in history,
  • 00:28:47.270 --> 00:28:49.040
  • Six Day War, all right,
  • 00:28:49.040 --> 00:28:50.240
  • except for Joshua
  • 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.040
  • and the walls of Jericho
  • 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:53.140
  • also six days,
  • 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:54.220
  • God was repeating history.
  • 00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:56.020
  • And the seventh day,
  • 00:28:56.020 --> 00:28:57.020
  • Jerusalem was theirs.
  • 00:28:57.020 --> 00:28:58.070
  • And Jesus says Jerusalem will be
  • 00:28:58.070 --> 00:28:59.150
  • under the foot of non-Jews
  • 00:28:59.150 --> 00:29:00.220
  • until the times of Gentiles
  • 00:29:00.220 --> 00:29:02.040
  • be fulfilled.
  • 00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:03.150
  • So, prophetically speaking,
  • 00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:04.210
  • it is our generation.
  • 00:29:04.210 --> 00:29:06.200
  • We are that generation
  • 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.230
  • that saw that happen.
  • 00:29:07.230 --> 00:29:08.250
  • Of course, Joel and I are very
  • 00:29:08.250 --> 00:29:09.230
  • young because we lived after
  • 00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:10.260
  • 1948, all right?
  • 00:29:10.260 --> 00:29:12.150
  • We--but you remember those
  • 00:29:12.150 --> 00:29:14.290
  • memories when you were
  • 00:29:14.290 --> 00:29:16.030
  • a young boy in 1948.
  • 00:29:16.030 --> 00:29:17.180
  • - Matt: Of course, yeah.
  • 00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:18.170
  • So, what were some of the
  • 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.040
  • Scriptures that you were--we
  • 00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:22.220
  • were looking up, you know,
  • 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:24.270
  • that God's eyes will never
  • 00:29:24.270 --> 00:29:26.250
  • depart from this place.
  • 00:29:26.250 --> 00:29:28.260
  • I mean, some of those
  • 00:29:28.260 --> 00:29:30.050
  • Scriptures, do you know exactly
  • 00:29:30.050 --> 00:29:31.060
  • where those are?
  • 00:29:31.060 --> 00:29:32.080
  • - Joseph: In Deuteronomy.
  • 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:33.050
  • - Matt: Deuteronomy?
  • 00:29:33.050 --> 00:29:34.060
  • Deuteronomy what?
  • 00:29:34.060 --> 00:29:35.030
  • - Joseph: Chapter and verse,
  • 00:29:35.030 --> 00:29:36.010
  • Joel.
  • 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:39.080
  • - Matt: Joel's been quiet
  • 00:29:39.080 --> 00:29:40.080
  • for a few minutes over here.
  • 00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:41.160
  • - Laurie: I have the answer,
  • 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.090
  • the Lord are like Mount Zion,
  • 00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:46.120
  • which cannot be moved,
  • 00:29:46.120 --> 00:29:48.150
  • but abides forever."
  • 00:29:48.150 --> 00:29:50.140
  • This is just one verse.
  • 00:29:50.140 --> 00:29:52.100
  • "As the mountains surround
  • 00:29:52.100 --> 00:29:53.230
  • Jerusalem, so the Lord surrounds
  • 00:29:53.230 --> 00:29:55.290
  • his people from this time forth
  • 00:29:55.290 --> 00:29:58.060
  • and forever."
  • 00:29:58.060 --> 00:29:59.250
  • That's just a little taste, but
  • 00:29:59.250 --> 00:30:00.240
  • leaves this.
  • 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:03.190
  • - Joseph: That one is in
  • 00:30:03.190 --> 00:30:04.170
  • Deuteronomy, where his eyes
  • 00:30:04.170 --> 00:30:05.180
  • is upon this land from the
  • 00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:06.290
  • beginning of the year
  • 00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:08.100
  • to the end.
  • 00:30:08.100 --> 00:30:09.060
  • - Matt: Yeah.
  • 00:30:09.060 --> 00:30:10.100
  • Joel, I know that sometimes
  • 00:30:10.100 --> 00:30:12.170
  • those--the people that are
  • 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:13.220
  • watching and wanting to be here
  • 00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:15.290
  • and all that, but you know what?
  • 00:30:15.290 --> 00:30:17.120
  • We can pray for them from here.
  • 00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:19.060
  • Would you mind just kind of
  • 00:30:19.060 --> 00:30:21.230
  • talking a little bit, and pray
  • 00:30:21.230 --> 00:30:23.150
  • for the folks, and just whatever
  • 00:30:23.150 --> 00:30:25.000
  • comes to your mind?
  • 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.000
  • Whatever you're thinking about,
  • 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:26.270
  • whatever--
  • 00:30:26.270 --> 00:30:27.240
  • - Joel: I'd love to.
  • 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:28.220
  • I'll even take
  • 00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:29.200
  • my glasses off too.
  • 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:30.160
  • But yeah, you know, I know this
  • 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:31.200
  • that, you know, maybe you're
  • 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.140
  • right now, but God has you
  • 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:35.110
  • in the palm of his hand.
  • 00:30:35.110 --> 00:30:36.230
  • That nothing you face
  • 00:30:36.230 --> 00:30:37.210
  • is a surprise to God.
  • 00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:39.090
  • And just as God's eyes are upon
  • 00:30:39.090 --> 00:30:40.280
  • And he's got a great plan and a
  • 00:30:43.080 --> 00:30:44.050
  • great purpose for your life.
  • 00:30:44.050 --> 00:30:45.220
  • And we're here, and Trinity,
  • 00:30:45.220 --> 00:30:47.120
  • and Joseph and I,
  • 00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:48.240
  • and Victoria, and all of us
  • 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.010
  • are here just to let you know
  • 00:30:50.010 --> 00:30:50.280
  • that God is for you.
  • 00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:52.100
  • He's on your side, and when you
  • 00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:53.270
  • put your trust in him and, you
  • 00:30:53.270 --> 00:30:55.260
  • know, make him your confidence,
  • 00:30:55.260 --> 00:30:57.160
  • God will take you places that
  • 00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:58.210
  • you've never dreamed.
  • 00:30:58.210 --> 00:30:59.220
  • And that's what I've seen in my
  • 00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:00.220
  • own life, never planning on
  • 00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:02.060
  • being a pastor, never planning
  • 00:31:02.060 --> 00:31:03.170
  • on being in front of you,
  • 00:31:03.170 --> 00:31:04.230
  • but God's plan for your life
  • 00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:06.190
  • is much bigger than your own.
  • 00:31:06.190 --> 00:31:08.030
  • And you may be somewhere today
  • 00:31:08.030 --> 00:31:09.130
  • and you think you can't see it,
  • 00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:11.060
  • maybe you have some challenges,
  • 00:31:11.060 --> 00:31:12.130
  • but you know, God's right now,
  • 00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:14.130
  • when you put your trust in him,
  • 00:31:14.130 --> 00:31:15.190
  • he fights your battles for you.
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  • So, I'm just encouraging you
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  • today that, you know, when you
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  • get your hopes up, start
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  • believing again, start dreaming
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  • again, knowing that God has
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  • something good in front of you,
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  • that's not just being positive.
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  • That's releasing your faith.
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  • That's saying, "God, I believe
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  • that you're on the throne,
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  • that you can get me to where
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  • I'm supposed to be."
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  • So Matt, I'll take a moment
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  • to pray for them, can I?
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  • We just pray today, Lord,
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  • you know everybody
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  • that's watching today.
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  • And Lord, you know their hopes,
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  • their dreams, their goals.
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  • You know the challenges
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  • that they're facing.
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  • And Lord, I just ask right now
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  • that they feel your presence
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  • and your power,
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  • that you would be close to them.
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  • And Lord, I thank you that you
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  • are fighting their battles,
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  • that every force that's trying
  • 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.250
  • to stop them is being broken
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  • right now.
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  • A depression, a sickness,
  • 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:55.290
  • an addiction, whatever it is,
  • 00:31:55.290 --> 00:31:57.160
  • maybe it's just trouble at work.
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  • But Lord, I thank you the tide
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  • is beginning to turn, and that
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  • you'll just release favor and
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  • healing, wholeness, freedom,
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  • and victory, and Lord, just
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  • fresh vision into their life.
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  • I thank you that they will
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  • become all that you've
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  • created them to be.
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  • And Lord, I thank you in 2018
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  • that you will exceed their
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  • expectations, that you'll open
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  • doors that they couldn't open,
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  • that you'll bring the right
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  • people, the right opportunities.
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  • Lord, I just thank you for
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  • a sign of your favor
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  • in their lives.
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  • Lord, just like you've done for
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  • all of us, Lord, you've done
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  • things we could never make
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  • happen on our own, Lord, we know
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  • you can do it for them as well.
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  • So, we just speak victory, hope,
  • 00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:33.200
  • and life, and favor into each
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  • one of you in the name of Jesus,
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  • one of you in the name of Jesus,
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  • [music]
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  • This heavy load
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  • was never mine to bear
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  • So, I cast my cares
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  • This weary road
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  • I've travelled for so long
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  • Would you take my hand
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  • and lead me on?
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  • You are working
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  • all things for my good
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  • You are working
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  • all things for my good
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  • When I cannot see it
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  • God, I still believe it
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  • You are working
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  • Oh
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  • when troubles come
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  • and nights are filled
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  • with tears
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  • I will fix my eyes
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  • upon the one
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  • whose perfect love
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  • has conquered every fear
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  • Hold me in your
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  • everlasting arms
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  • all things for my good
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  • - female: Sing it out.
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  • You are working
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  • When I cannot see it
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  • God, I still believe it
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  • You are working all things
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  • for my good
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  • Oh yeah
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  • Oh God, you're working
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  • it out for me
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  • You're working it
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  • out for me
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  • making something beautiful
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  • yeah
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  • And I see it breaking
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  • on the horizon
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  • the dark of night
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  • giving way to the dawn
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  • The day is coming
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  • and hope is rising
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  • Your joy will be my strength
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  • Your joy will be my song
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  • I see it breaking
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  • on the horizon
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  • the dark of night
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  • giving way to the dawn
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  • yeah
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  • The day is coming
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  • and hope is rising
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  • Your joy will be my strength
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  • Your joy will be my song
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  • Oh, you are working
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  • all things for my good
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  • You are working
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  • all things for my good
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  • When I cannot see it
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  • God, I still believe it
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  • You are working
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  • all things for my good
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  • When I cannot see it
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  • God, I still believe it
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  • You are working
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  • Yes you are
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  • yes you are
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  • - Matt: You know, I can't be
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  • here without thinking of my dad.
  • 00:37:02.210 --> 00:37:05.080
  • The very first broadcast we did
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  • right here where we're sitting.
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  • - Laurie: He thought he'd died
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  • and gone to heaven, huh?
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  • - Matt: Was with Joseph Prince,
  • 00:37:10.270 --> 00:37:12.060
  • so we did the very first little
  • 00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:14.070
  • piece of programming we did when
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  • the building didn't even
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  • belong to us yet.
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  • We were negotiating to buy this
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  • building, and so I can't sit
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  • here without thinking of my dad.
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  • My dad, I watched him sign
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  • the papers, you know, to buy--
  • 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:28.190
  • so funny?
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  • Is if it--it was after this, and
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  • I think he probably even said
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  • it on that program,
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  • that after he signed
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  • the papers to this building,
  • 00:37:36.290 --> 00:37:38.060
  • he said, "Now I feel
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  • like Simeon."
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  • - Paul Crouch: Simeon,
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  • the old ancient priest that used
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  • to stand over there,
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  • going to stand there again.
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  • "Now, Lord, let thy servant
  • 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.060
  • depart in peace, for mine eyes
  • 00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:53.200
  • have seen thy salvation."
  • 00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.230
  • - Matt: So, he was just
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  • so thrilled.
  • 00:37:56.250 --> 00:37:58.010
  • And for years, my dad said,
  • 00:37:58.010 --> 00:38:00.020
  • you know, TBN belongs
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  • to God's people.
  • 00:38:01.050 --> 00:38:02.040
  • And you know what?
  • 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:03.040
  • It does.
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  • If you're ever in Jerusalem,
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  • knock on the door,
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  • somebody will let you in.
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  • named Mohammed
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  • and a guy named Shadi
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  • and all sort--
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  • just knock on the door and say,
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  • "I'm a TBN partner."
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  • And inside, there are many names
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  • written on these plaques that we
  • 00:38:16.200 --> 00:38:18.280
  • have up around the wall
  • 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.050
  • of people that gave initially
  • 00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:22.230
  • for this--for this studio
  • 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:23.280
  • to be here.
  • 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.030
  • Pastor, this Mount Zion,
  • 00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:27.050
  • which is just behind us,
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  • and the view as I look at you,
  • 00:38:29.150 --> 00:38:31.170
  • I'm looking back at Mount Zion.
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  • The significance of that and the
  • 00:38:33.090 --> 00:38:35.080
  • locale and where we are here,
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  • Mount Zion, what is--what comes
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  • to mind when you think
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  • of Mount Zion?
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  • - Joseph: Well, I think of that
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  • wonderful love story of how
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  • Abraham brought his son up here.
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  • You all know the story,
  • 00:38:47.110 --> 00:38:48.150
  • he took his son.
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  • God said, "Take your son,
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  • your only son."
  • 00:38:50.140 --> 00:38:51.120
  • But we know that Abraham
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  • had two sons.
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  • There was Ishmael,
  • 00:38:54.220 --> 00:38:55.230
  • and yet God told him,
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  • "Take your son, your only son,
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  • your son Isaac,
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  • the son that you love."
  • 00:39:00.200 --> 00:39:01.260
  • And God was really pushing it,
  • 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.280
  • you know?
  • 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.020
  • Why is that so?
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  • Why the only son?
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  • Because God wanted to
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  • demonstrate that there will be
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  • an offering on this mountain.
  • 00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:11.090
  • And when Abraham was about
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  • to plunge the knife,
  • 00:39:12.120 --> 00:39:13.120
  • God stopped him.
  • 00:39:13.120 --> 00:39:14.100
  • And he looked behind him,
  • 00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:15.090
  • he saw a ram
  • 00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:16.090
  • caught in the thicket.
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  • All right, but I believe
  • 00:39:17.070 --> 00:39:18.060
  • he saw more than that.
  • 00:39:18.060 --> 00:39:19.050
  • Because when you look behind
  • 00:39:19.050 --> 00:39:19.290
  • you, the highest point of Mount
  • 00:39:19.290 --> 00:39:21.040
  • Moriah, the highest point
  • 00:39:21.040 --> 00:39:22.180
  • is Mount Calvary.
  • 00:39:22.180 --> 00:39:24.260
  • So, Abraham had a vision
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  • of Jesus on the cross.
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  • How do I know that?
  • 00:39:28.120 --> 00:39:29.060
  • Because Jesus was confronted
  • 00:39:29.060 --> 00:39:30.180
  • by the Pharisees, who said,
  • 00:39:30.180 --> 00:39:31.190
  • "You are not yet 50 years old.
  • 00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:33.050
  • You have seen Abraham?"
  • 00:39:33.050 --> 00:39:34.260
  • He says, "Before Abraham was,
  • 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:37.060
  • I am."
  • 00:39:37.060 --> 00:39:38.060
  • Because he said, "Abraham
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  • rejoiced to see my day."
  • 00:39:39.040 --> 00:39:41.160
  • Now, when did Abraham
  • 00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:42.140
  • see his day?
  • 00:39:42.140 --> 00:39:43.150
  • I believe at that moment when
  • 00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:44.150
  • he was about to plunge
  • 00:39:44.150 --> 00:39:45.190
  • the knife and God says,
  • 00:39:45.190 --> 00:39:46.160
  • "No, withhold your hand.
  • 00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:48.240
  • Now I know you love me,"
  • 00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:50.040
  • God says, "because
  • 00:39:50.040 --> 00:39:51.020
  • you have not withheld your son,
  • 00:39:51.020 --> 00:39:52.020
  • your only son."
  • 00:39:52.020 --> 00:39:53.290
  • Now, we know that God--now we
  • 00:39:53.290 --> 00:39:55.220
  • can say to God, "God, now I know
  • 00:39:55.220 --> 00:39:56.270
  • you love me because you
  • 00:39:56.270 --> 00:39:57.270
  • have not withheld your Son,
  • 00:39:57.270 --> 00:39:59.080
  • your only Son."
  • 00:39:59.080 --> 00:40:00.290
  • All right, so when--that was the
  • 00:40:00.290 --> 00:40:02.180
  • moment when he looked behind,
  • 00:40:02.180 --> 00:40:03.210
  • I believe he had prophetic
  • 00:40:03.210 --> 00:40:04.220
  • vision of Jesus on the cross,
  • 00:40:04.220 --> 00:40:06.090
  • on the higher elevation
  • 00:40:06.090 --> 00:40:07.220
  • over there, Mount--
  • 00:40:07.220 --> 00:40:08.270
  • on the north side.
  • 00:40:08.270 --> 00:40:09.240
  • And Jesus says, "Abraham
  • 00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:11.140
  • rejoiced to see my day."
  • 00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:12.150
  • And they said to Jesus,
  • 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:14.160
  • "You are not yet 50 years old.
  • 00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:15.180
  • You saw Abraham?"
  • 00:40:15.180 --> 00:40:16.190
  • There's a difference.
  • 00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:17.250
  • He didn't say--he didn't say,
  • 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:20.130
  • "I saw Abraham."
  • 00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:21.230
  • He says, "Abraham saw me."
  • 00:40:21.230 --> 00:40:23.090
  • He is the greater.
  • 00:40:23.090 --> 00:40:24.140
  • But they changed it to,
  • 00:40:24.140 --> 00:40:25.200
  • "You saw Abraham?"
  • 00:40:25.200 --> 00:40:27.110
  • And he says,
  • 00:40:27.110 --> 00:40:28.060
  • "Before Abraham was, I am."
  • 00:40:28.060 --> 00:40:30.170
  • That's a title of God.
  • 00:40:30.170 --> 00:40:32.020
  • You know, that's the deity
  • 00:40:32.020 --> 00:40:33.020
  • of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  • 00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:35.010
  • And it happened all over here,
  • 00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:36.140
  • the love story.
  • 00:40:36.140 --> 00:40:37.230
  • - Matt: Okay, so we have been
  • 00:40:37.230 --> 00:40:40.040
  • talking about this day, and it's
  • 00:40:40.040 --> 00:40:42.000
  • finally here, this amazing Hope
  • 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.120
  • and Grace Tour 2018.
  • 00:40:44.120 --> 00:40:47.000
  • We actually called it Hope
  • 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.110
  • and Grace.
  • 00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:49.090
  • So Joel, Victoria,
  • 00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:50.100
  • why is hope so important?
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  • What is hope?
  • 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.140
  • Why is it important?
  • 00:40:53.140 --> 00:40:54.170
  • Why do you spend all your life
  • 00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:57.070
  • preaching it?
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  • - Joel: Well, I think just real
  • 00:40:58.060 --> 00:40:59.060
  • practically, Matt,
  • 00:40:59.060 --> 00:41:00.070
  • there's a lot of things
  • 00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:01.020
  • people--pushing people
  • 00:41:01.020 --> 00:41:02.020
  • down in life, you know?
  • 00:41:02.020 --> 00:41:03.100
  • No matter who you are,
  • 00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:04.130
  • you face challenges in health,
  • 00:41:04.130 --> 00:41:06.110
  • in finances, in relationships.
  • 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:08.130
  • And you know, if you're not
  • 00:41:08.130 --> 00:41:09.280
  • careful, you can just sink down
  • 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.040
  • and kind of just go through
  • 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.020
  • the motions of life,
  • 00:41:12.020 --> 00:41:13.050
  • you not expect anything good.
  • 00:41:13.050 --> 00:41:14.260
  • And you know, you can be
  • 00:41:14.260 --> 00:41:15.290
  • a believer and know the Lord
  • 00:41:15.290 --> 00:41:17.110
  • and all that, but you're not
  • 00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:18.280
  • releasing your faith.
  • 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:19.260
  • But I don't think that--
  • 00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.120
  • I know God doesn't want us
  • 00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:22.090
  • to live that way.
  • 00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:23.120
  • And I believe like the Scripture
  • 00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:25.050
  • says, the path of the righteous
  • 00:41:25.050 --> 00:41:26.140
  • gets brighter and brighter.
  • 00:41:26.140 --> 00:41:27.220
  • Doesn't mean that we don't have
  • 00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:28.270
  • difficulties all along the way,
  • 00:41:28.270 --> 00:41:30.060
  • but God wouldn't have us here if
  • 00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:32.130
  • he didn't have something better
  • 00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:33.150
  • up in front of us.
  • 00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:34.160
  • We should be growing,
  • 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:35.180
  • and taking new ground,
  • 00:41:35.180 --> 00:41:36.200
  • and being a blessing to others.
  • 00:41:36.200 --> 00:41:38.000
  • And I think you have to--
  • 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.030
  • it takes hope to stir that up.
  • 00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:41.090
  • And really you can't even have
  • 00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:42.200
  • faith if you don't first
  • 00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:43.220
  • have hope.
  • 00:41:43.220 --> 00:41:44.160
  • You got to know, "God, you got
  • 00:41:44.160 --> 00:41:45.130
  • something better for me or I
  • 00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:46.120
  • wouldn't be breathing today, so
  • 00:41:46.120 --> 00:41:47.260
  • I'm going to stir my gifts up.
  • 00:41:47.260 --> 00:41:49.220
  • I'm not going to focus on
  • 00:41:49.220 --> 00:41:50.160
  • everything that's wrong.
  • 00:41:50.160 --> 00:41:51.170
  • I'm going to look at what's
  • 00:41:51.170 --> 00:41:52.210
  • right, I'm going to go be a
  • 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:53.190
  • blessing to somebody else."
  • 00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:54.220
  • But it's just an attitude of
  • 00:41:54.220 --> 00:41:56.100
  • faith that think I think is
  • 00:41:56.100 --> 00:41:57.260
  • so important to live,
  • 00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:58.250
  • to really reach the fullness
  • 00:41:58.250 --> 00:42:00.100
  • of your destiny.
  • 00:42:00.100 --> 00:42:01.100
  • So, I think that's what hope
  • 00:42:01.100 --> 00:42:02.100
  • is about.
  • 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:03.090
  • - Matt: What's the opposite
  • 00:42:03.090 --> 00:42:04.040
  • of hope?
  • 00:42:04.040 --> 00:42:05.030
  • - Joel: I guess the opposite
  • 00:42:05.030 --> 00:42:06.010
  • of hope would be despair,
  • 00:42:06.010 --> 00:42:07.140
  • or just being mediocre,
  • 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:09.180
  • or kind of being numb to life,
  • 00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:10.230
  • having no passion I think.
  • 00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:12.090
  • You know, I don't think you have
  • 00:42:12.090 --> 00:42:13.260
  • to be hopeless like, you know,
  • 00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:15.090
  • you're going to end it all, but
  • 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:17.020
  • just I think some people
  • 00:42:17.020 --> 00:42:18.130
  • have lost their passion,
  • 00:42:18.130 --> 00:42:19.150
  • they've lost their zeal
  • 00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:20.110
  • for life.
  • 00:42:20.110 --> 00:42:21.100
  • And it's easy to do because
  • 00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:22.110
  • there's pressures in life.
  • 00:42:22.110 --> 00:42:24.010
  • There's things pushing us
  • 00:42:24.010 --> 00:42:25.000
  • all down, and sometimes
  • 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.000
  • it's one thing after another.
  • 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.070
  • But I really believe part of
  • 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:29.140
  • hope is being grateful each day,
  • 00:42:29.140 --> 00:42:31.150
  • to say, "God, today is a gift
  • 00:42:31.150 --> 00:42:32.220
  • that you've given me.
  • 00:42:32.220 --> 00:42:33.220
  • And yes, you know,
  • 00:42:33.220 --> 00:42:34.250
  • I may have 1.000 things wrong,
  • 00:42:34.250 --> 00:42:36.070
  • but I'm going to find
  • 00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:37.080
  • five things that are right,
  • 00:42:37.080 --> 00:42:38.140
  • and I'm going to be grateful
  • 00:42:38.140 --> 00:42:39.150
  • for that."
  • 00:42:39.150 --> 00:42:40.130
  • And so, when you start
  • 00:42:40.130 --> 00:42:41.110
  • seeing--you know, and when you
  • 00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:42.140
  • too--and I don't like to be
  • 00:42:42.140 --> 00:42:43.200
  • negative about it, but if you
  • 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:44.220
  • look at it in perspective to say
  • 00:42:44.220 --> 00:42:46.030
  • what if I found out I have--
  • 00:42:46.030 --> 00:42:48.170
  • what if we all knew
  • 00:42:48.170 --> 00:42:49.200
  • we had three weeks to live?
  • 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:50.240
  • Well, we'd probably love people
  • 00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:51.270
  • better.
  • 00:42:51.270 --> 00:42:52.240
  • We'd probably enjoy this day.
  • 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:53.280
  • We'd probably go out
  • 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.280
  • and look at the flowers.
  • 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.280
  • We'd probably be--you know,
  • 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.050
  • not take things for granted.
  • 00:42:57.050 --> 00:42:59.050
  • And I think that we should live
  • 00:42:59.050 --> 00:43:00.130
  • each day like knowing that this
  • 00:43:00.130 --> 00:43:02.000
  • day is a gift, not that we're
  • 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.050
  • going to go tomorrow,
  • 00:43:03.050 --> 00:43:04.060
  • but just taking time
  • 00:43:04.060 --> 00:43:05.150
  • to appreciate.
  • 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:06.230
  • I think we--you know,
  • 00:43:06.230 --> 00:43:07.290
  • I have a tendency too,
  • 00:43:07.290 --> 00:43:09.010
  • you look back 20
  • 00:43:09.010 --> 00:43:10.000
  • or 30 years ago and you think,
  • 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:11.030
  • "Man, those were
  • 00:43:11.030 --> 00:43:11.280
  • the good old days.
  • 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.290
  • Remember this and that?"
  • 00:43:12.290 --> 00:43:13.290
  • You know what?
  • 00:43:13.290 --> 00:43:14.240
  • These are the good old days
  • 00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:15.200
  • right now.
  • 00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:16.200
  • We're healthy, we're strong,
  • 00:43:16.200 --> 00:43:17.190
  • we're here in Jerusalem.
  • 00:43:17.190 --> 00:43:18.180
  • Man, yeah, we could
  • 00:43:18.180 --> 00:43:19.220
  • all find something.
  • 00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:20.250
  • Even if we're not here,
  • 00:43:20.250 --> 00:43:21.220
  • even if you're at home,
  • 00:43:21.220 --> 00:43:23.040
  • you know, you could find,
  • 00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:23.290
  • "Well, I'm just going
  • 00:43:23.290 --> 00:43:24.290
  • to work today, Joel.
  • 00:43:24.290 --> 00:43:25.290
  • I'm just, you know,
  • 00:43:25.290 --> 00:43:26.280
  • cleaning the house."
  • 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.260
  • But you have a--you know what,
  • 00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:28.240
  • you have strength today.
  • 00:43:28.240 --> 00:43:29.220
  • You have family, you have people
  • 00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:30.180
  • in your life to love.
  • 00:43:30.180 --> 00:43:31.170
  • There's so much to be--
  • 00:43:31.170 --> 00:43:32.140
  • to be grateful for.
  • 00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:33.080
  • And I think when
  • 00:43:33.080 --> 00:43:34.030
  • you're grateful,
  • 00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:35.020
  • it helps you to be more hopeful,
  • 00:43:35.020 --> 00:43:36.030
  • and just to believe that God
  • 00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:38.040
  • does have something good
  • 00:43:38.040 --> 00:43:39.020
  • in front of you.
  • 00:43:39.020 --> 00:43:40.170
  • I grew up like this, it was part
  • 00:43:40.170 --> 00:43:42.100
  • of my natural personality
  • 00:43:42.100 --> 00:43:43.190
  • to be optimistic.
  • 00:43:43.190 --> 00:43:45.120
  • I realized a lot of people
  • 00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:46.060
  • weren't like that.
  • 00:43:46.060 --> 00:43:47.140
  • They just grow up just negative,
  • 00:43:47.140 --> 00:43:48.220
  • just going through the motions,
  • 00:43:48.220 --> 00:43:49.290
  • "Nothing good ever happens
  • 00:43:49.290 --> 00:43:50.270
  • to me.
  • 00:43:50.270 --> 00:43:51.290
  • I'll never get any good breaks.
  • 00:43:51.290 --> 00:43:52.270
  • Just my luck."
  • 00:43:52.270 --> 00:43:53.270
  • You know, that kind of attitude.
  • 00:43:53.270 --> 00:43:55.000
  • But you got to turn that around
  • 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.070
  • because what's playing in your
  • 00:43:56.070 --> 00:43:57.230
  • mind all day is drawing in what
  • 00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:59.170
  • you're thinking about.
  • 00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:01.020
  • When you turn it around
  • 00:44:01.020 --> 00:44:02.010
  • and think, "You know what, God?
  • 00:44:02.010 --> 00:44:02.290
  • I'm grateful to be alive,
  • 00:44:02.290 --> 00:44:04.090
  • and I feel blessed,
  • 00:44:04.090 --> 00:44:05.200
  • and I thank you that
  • 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:06.150
  • I'm healthy," and you're
  • 00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:07.140
  • just drawing in more
  • 00:44:07.140 --> 00:44:08.160
  • of the goodness of God.
  • 00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:09.180
  • And I believe that's when God
  • 00:44:09.180 --> 00:44:10.170
  • can open up new doors
  • 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:11.260
  • and trust you to go further.
  • 00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.230
  • - Matt: Victoria?
  • 00:44:13.230 --> 00:44:14.230
  • - Victoria: You know, I love
  • 00:44:14.230 --> 00:44:15.240
  • that 'cause hope is not just
  • 00:44:15.240 --> 00:44:18.120
  • a positive attitude.
  • 00:44:18.120 --> 00:44:19.170
  • And it's great if you have that
  • 00:44:19.170 --> 00:44:21.020
  • inclination in your temperament
  • 00:44:21.020 --> 00:44:22.250
  • and your personality, but you
  • 00:44:22.250 --> 00:44:24.160
  • know, hope is an anchor.
  • 00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:26.070
  • Hope is the good news
  • 00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:27.060
  • of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:28.140
  • It's the anchor for our soul.
  • 00:44:28.140 --> 00:44:30.060
  • And so, hope is a product of all
  • 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:33.130
  • the fruits of the Spirit because
  • 00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:35.070
  • hope produces in your life.
  • 00:44:35.070 --> 00:44:37.060
  • It produces peace,
  • 00:44:37.060 --> 00:44:38.080
  • it produces joy,
  • 00:44:38.080 --> 00:44:39.110
  • it produces faith.
  • 00:44:39.110 --> 00:44:41.100
  • So, without hope, you know,
  • 00:44:41.100 --> 00:44:43.080
  • you can't produce
  • 00:44:43.080 --> 00:44:44.220
  • what God wants you to produce,
  • 00:44:44.220 --> 00:44:46.090
  • which is a change
  • 00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:47.170
  • in who you are.
  • 00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:48.150
  • It's a change in your--
  • 00:44:48.150 --> 00:44:49.170
  • in your nature.
  • 00:44:49.170 --> 00:44:51.170
  • You know, it's not your flesh
  • 00:44:51.170 --> 00:44:52.250
  • anymore, it's the--
  • 00:44:52.250 --> 00:44:54.140
  • it's the God nature.
  • 00:44:54.140 --> 00:44:55.200
  • And you know, one thing I love
  • 00:44:55.200 --> 00:44:56.270
  • about what you said,
  • 00:44:56.270 --> 00:44:58.020
  • you were talking about holiness
  • 00:44:58.020 --> 00:44:59.180
  • and commonness.
  • 00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:01.190
  • And sometimes when you hear
  • 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:03.010
  • the word "holiness," you know,
  • 00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:04.100
  • you think, "Oh,
  • 00:45:04.100 --> 00:45:05.130
  • holier than thou.
  • 00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:06.120
  • You know, who do they
  • 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:07.140
  • think they are?"
  • 00:45:07.140 --> 00:45:08.130
  • But I love that because what it
  • 00:45:08.130 --> 00:45:09.190
  • made me think about is that so
  • 00:45:09.190 --> 00:45:11.040
  • often people may shy away from
  • 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:13.110
  • being, quote, holy because they
  • 00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:16.130
  • don't want to have, like,
  • 00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:17.100
  • I'm not better than you
  • 00:45:17.100 --> 00:45:18.200
  • or I'm not that.
  • 00:45:18.200 --> 00:45:19.200
  • But I love the fact that really
  • 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:21.070
  • who wants to be common?
  • 00:45:21.070 --> 00:45:23.160
  • And not only that, but common,
  • 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:25.260
  • you can make an excuse
  • 00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:26.240
  • for common.
  • 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:27.240
  • If people could get more of this
  • 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:29.110
  • mind-set of, like, holiness is
  • 00:45:29.110 --> 00:45:31.260
  • just, you know, uncommon
  • 00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:34.230
  • and it's being in the palm
  • 00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:37.110
  • of God's hand.
  • 00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:38.190
  • Do you know what?
  • 00:45:38.190 --> 00:45:39.190
  • It's special.
  • 00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:40.220
  • It's not better than, but it
  • 00:45:40.220 --> 00:45:43.100
  • is just a special place.
  • 00:45:43.100 --> 00:45:45.110
  • And it's not worth the excuses
  • 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:47.140
  • because we can make excuses
  • 00:45:47.140 --> 00:45:48.260
  • all day long to be common.
  • 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:50.200
  • And so, I loved that.
  • 00:45:50.200 --> 00:45:52.100
  • That's what came up in my spirit
  • 00:45:52.100 --> 00:45:53.260
  • is like, you know what?
  • 00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:54.270
  • I'm going to look at holiness
  • 00:45:54.270 --> 00:45:56.050
  • a little bit different.
  • 00:45:56.050 --> 00:45:57.140
  • I can forgive because, you know,
  • 00:45:57.140 --> 00:45:59.290
  • that's common not to forgive.
  • 00:45:59.290 --> 00:46:02.040
  • It's easy not to forgive.
  • 00:46:02.040 --> 00:46:04.090
  • You know, so I don't have
  • 00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:06.060
  • to allow bitterness
  • 00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:07.040
  • because I'm not common.
  • 00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:09.050
  • I'm in a special place.
  • 00:46:09.050 --> 00:46:10.220
  • You know, it's an uncommon.
  • 00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:12.110
  • So, you know, hope again,
  • 00:46:12.110 --> 00:46:13.150
  • it anchors your soul and it
  • 00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:14.190
  • produces great things.
  • 00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:16.100
  • Peace, peace,
  • 00:46:16.100 --> 00:46:17.060
  • one of the greatest things.
  • 00:46:17.060 --> 00:46:18.090
  • - Matt: Your sunglasses prove
  • 00:46:18.090 --> 00:46:19.280
  • that you're not common, yeah.
  • 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.260
  • - Victoria: You can see my eyes
  • 00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:23.290
  • through them, right?
  • 00:46:23.290 --> 00:46:24.270
  • - Matt: Just awesome.
  • 00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:27.080
  • - Matt: Okay, stand by,
  • 00:46:27.080 --> 00:46:28.070
  • we're rolling.
  • 00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:29.130
  • And look at the camera, smile.
  • 00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:31.110
  • - Joseph: Brother, just align
  • 00:46:34.270 --> 00:46:35.250
  • right there.
  • 00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:36.280
  • - Matt: Okay,
  • 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.280
  • somebody wake Joel up.
  • 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.040
  • Stay tuned, "The Morning"
  • 00:46:40.040 --> 00:46:41.270
  • is on TBN.
  • 00:46:41.270 --> 00:46:44.080
  • The other day, we were talking
  • 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:45.060
  • about "Wake Up to Hope."
  • 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:46.050
  • It's pretty important to
  • 00:46:46.050 --> 00:46:47.030
  • wake up to hope.
  • 00:46:47.030 --> 00:46:47.280
  • I think it's super important,
  • 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.020
  • 7 a.m., "Wake Up to Hope."
  • 00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:50.220
  • - Joel: How you start the day
  • 00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:51.230
  • many times will determine what
  • 00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:53.050
  • kind of day you're going
  • 00:46:53.050 --> 00:46:53.260
  • to have, so I can't think of
  • 00:46:53.260 --> 00:46:55.080
  • a better way to start the day
  • 00:46:55.080 --> 00:46:56.200
  • than with hope.
  • 00:46:56.200 --> 00:46:57.250
  • - Joseph: Amen.
  • 00:46:57.250 --> 00:46:58.200
  • And I believe that the Bible
  • 00:46:58.200 --> 00:46:59.180
  • says that his mercies
  • 00:46:59.180 --> 00:47:00.190
  • are new every morning.
  • 00:47:00.190 --> 00:47:02.160
  • And every morning,
  • 00:47:02.160 --> 00:47:03.250
  • we got to wake up to grace.
  • 00:47:03.250 --> 00:47:05.170
  • - Matt: What do you think?
  • 00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:06.210
  • - Joel: I think waking up
  • 00:47:06.210 --> 00:47:07.160
  • to grace is good, but I like
  • 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:08.160
  • waking up to hope as well.
  • 00:47:08.160 --> 00:47:09.290
  • - Joseph: I love waking up
  • 00:47:09.290 --> 00:47:10.240
  • to grace.
  • 00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:13.120
  • - female announcer: "Wake Up
  • 00:47:17.100 --> 00:47:18.050
  • to Hope & Grace,"
  • 00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:19.090
  • weekdays and Saturdays
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  • - Matt: Okay, Joseph,
  • 00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:25.290
  • this is "Hope & Grace,"
  • 00:47:25.290 --> 00:47:28.130
  • so you represent grace.
  • 00:47:28.130 --> 00:47:30.060
  • You guys are all here, hope and
  • 00:47:30.060 --> 00:47:31.280
  • grace are here, present.
  • 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.070
  • Thank God your planes arrived
  • 00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:36.230
  • 'cause I would have--
  • 00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:37.220
  • I would have panicked.
  • 00:47:37.220 --> 00:47:38.250
  • And we would have fled from
  • 00:47:38.250 --> 00:47:41.160
  • Jerusalem like--anyway.
  • 00:47:41.160 --> 00:47:43.200
  • So, why is grace so important?
  • 00:47:43.200 --> 00:47:46.120
  • - Joseph: When I preach grace,
  • 00:47:46.120 --> 00:47:47.250
  • I'm imparting hope.
  • 00:47:47.250 --> 00:47:49.150
  • You know, and many a times
  • 00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:50.170
  • when Joel preaches hope,
  • 00:47:50.170 --> 00:47:51.290
  • he imparts grace.
  • 00:47:51.290 --> 00:47:53.110
  • So, you cannot--it's like wet
  • 00:47:53.110 --> 00:47:54.230
  • and water, they go together.
  • 00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:56.120
  • You know, you cannot separate
  • 00:47:56.120 --> 00:47:57.170
  • hope and grace.
  • 00:47:57.170 --> 00:47:58.120
  • And that's why I guess God put
  • 00:47:58.120 --> 00:47:59.170
  • in your spirit for the people
  • 00:47:59.170 --> 00:48:00.250
  • to wake up to hope and grace.
  • 00:48:00.250 --> 00:48:02.250
  • What a great idea to wake up,
  • 00:48:02.250 --> 00:48:04.100
  • the first thing you do is not
  • 00:48:04.100 --> 00:48:05.140
  • reach out for your phone,
  • 00:48:05.140 --> 00:48:06.190
  • but wake up to hope and grace,
  • 00:48:06.190 --> 00:48:08.080
  • or switch on television
  • 00:48:08.080 --> 00:48:09.090
  • and just watch it.
  • 00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:10.100
  • But I feel in my spirit that
  • 00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:11.290
  • there are people who have
  • 00:48:11.290 --> 00:48:13.000
  • been--who have been
  • 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.120
  • taught erroneously.
  • 00:48:15.090 --> 00:48:18.090
  • And they grew up maybe in
  • 00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:19.070
  • a religious environment
  • 00:48:19.070 --> 00:48:20.040
  • and things like that.
  • 00:48:20.040 --> 00:48:21.070
  • And sometimes,
  • 00:48:21.070 --> 00:48:22.040
  • when they hear that you can be--
  • 00:48:22.040 --> 00:48:24.110
  • you can be happy,
  • 00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:25.100
  • you can be free from your
  • 00:48:25.100 --> 00:48:27.010
  • addictions and all that,
  • 00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:28.120
  • you know, they stop and say,
  • 00:48:28.120 --> 00:48:29.130
  • "Wait a minute, what about?
  • 00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:30.250
  • What about?
  • 00:48:30.250 --> 00:48:31.280
  • What about?"
  • 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.260
  • It's the what abouts that hold
  • 00:48:32.260 --> 00:48:33.210
  • them back from that hope
  • 00:48:33.210 --> 00:48:34.240
  • and that--so, I believe that my
  • 00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:36.180
  • ministry that God has given me
  • 00:48:36.200 --> 00:48:39.200
  • I think is to give people
  • 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:42.000
  • the scriptural foundation.
  • 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.090
  • We need to know why it's there,
  • 00:48:43.090 --> 00:48:45.090
  • why I can be positive, why I can
  • 00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:46.250
  • hope for the best in my future,
  • 00:48:46.250 --> 00:48:48.210
  • why I know if I have a bad
  • 00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:50.210
  • prognosis from the doctor,
  • 00:48:50.210 --> 00:48:51.290
  • I know it will turn around.
  • 00:48:51.290 --> 00:48:53.170
  • Because Jesus paid for it.
  • 00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:55.000
  • And I see in the Scripture and I
  • 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.030
  • see for myself that my sins will
  • 00:48:56.030 --> 00:48:58.090
  • not hold back the blessings
  • 00:48:58.090 --> 00:48:59.200
  • because grace is greater
  • 00:48:59.200 --> 00:49:00.270
  • than sin.
  • 00:49:00.270 --> 00:49:01.280
  • If sin was greater than grace,
  • 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.170
  • then Jesus would not have healed
  • 00:49:03.170 --> 00:49:05.130
  • the sinners, the prostitutes,
  • 00:49:05.130 --> 00:49:07.050
  • the tax collectors because
  • 00:49:07.050 --> 00:49:08.170
  • their sin would have stopped
  • 00:49:08.170 --> 00:49:09.180
  • his grace.
  • 00:49:09.180 --> 00:49:10.150
  • Where there's sin,
  • 00:49:10.150 --> 00:49:11.290
  • grace superabounds.
  • 00:49:11.290 --> 00:49:14.050
  • Now, the conclusion for some
  • 00:49:14.050 --> 00:49:15.060
  • people, "So, are you saying,"
  • 00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:16.220
  • and they accused Paul of this,
  • 00:49:16.220 --> 00:49:18.190
  • "let us sin more that grace
  • 00:49:18.190 --> 00:49:19.170
  • may abound?"
  • 00:49:19.170 --> 00:49:20.110
  • Which Paul never preached,
  • 00:49:20.110 --> 00:49:21.090
  • neither did I.
  • 00:49:21.090 --> 00:49:22.160
  • But the fact remains because
  • 00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:23.190
  • unless you preach radically
  • 00:49:23.190 --> 00:49:25.100
  • where sin increased,
  • 00:49:25.100 --> 00:49:26.130
  • grace superabounds,
  • 00:49:26.130 --> 00:49:27.250
  • you cannot be misunderstood.
  • 00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:29.200
  • In order for you to be
  • 00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:30.150
  • misunderstood, Paul must have
  • 00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:31.180
  • preached radically, "Where sin
  • 00:49:31.180 --> 00:49:33.180
  • increased, grace superabounds."
  • 00:49:33.180 --> 00:49:36.010
  • Of all the disciples, 11 of them
  • 00:49:36.010 --> 00:49:38.260
  • that were on the day of
  • 00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:39.250
  • Pentecost, who did God choose
  • 00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:40.270
  • to speak?
  • 00:49:40.270 --> 00:49:42.090
  • And how did he speak,
  • 00:49:42.090 --> 00:49:43.110
  • with his mouth?
  • 00:49:43.110 --> 00:49:44.150
  • The same mouth a few days ago
  • 00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:45.220
  • denied knowing Jesus
  • 00:49:45.220 --> 00:49:46.270
  • three times.
  • 00:49:46.270 --> 00:49:48.020
  • It was the same mouth that
  • 00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.040
  • preached and 3.000 people
  • 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:50.040
  • got saved.
  • 00:49:50.040 --> 00:49:51.060
  • Where, where, location?
  • 00:49:51.060 --> 00:49:52.050
  • Where sin increased,
  • 00:49:52.050 --> 00:49:53.270
  • grace superabounds.
  • 00:49:53.270 --> 00:49:55.160
  • - Victoria: What is your
  • 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:56.130
  • definition of grace, just one
  • 00:49:56.130 --> 00:49:57.180
  • of your definitions of grace?
  • 00:49:57.180 --> 00:49:59.000
  • I mean, to make people
  • 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:00.050
  • understand when they hear
  • 00:50:00.050 --> 00:50:01.170
  • grace, you know, unmerited,
  • 00:50:01.170 --> 00:50:03.090
  • what would you say?
  • 00:50:03.090 --> 00:50:05.240
  • - Joseph: It is when--
  • 00:50:05.240 --> 00:50:06.290
  • I think you experience--
  • 00:50:06.290 --> 00:50:07.270
  • when you experience grace,
  • 00:50:07.270 --> 00:50:08.270
  • you can understand it better.
  • 00:50:08.270 --> 00:50:10.000
  • I would define it as unearned,
  • 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.020
  • undeserved favor.
  • 00:50:12.020 --> 00:50:14.250
  • And it doesn't leave you
  • 00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:15.170
  • the same.
  • 00:50:15.170 --> 00:50:17.030
  • You know, when you know that,
  • 00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:18.010
  • the goodness of God causes you
  • 00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:19.090
  • to--but the problem is that
  • 00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:20.290
  • sometimes you wonder.
  • 00:50:20.290 --> 00:50:22.180
  • You think that because I have it
  • 00:50:22.180 --> 00:50:23.260
  • all together, today's sermon
  • 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:26.020
  • is going to be strong,
  • 00:50:26.020 --> 00:50:27.130
  • and you think--
  • 00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:28.120
  • and then you go up there
  • 00:50:28.120 --> 00:50:29.110
  • and it's dry as a bone,
  • 00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:31.070
  • you know, because you are
  • 00:50:31.070 --> 00:50:32.040
  • looking to yourself.
  • 00:50:32.040 --> 00:50:33.010
  • So, I think to experience grace
  • 00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:34.020
  • is more important than
  • 00:50:34.020 --> 00:50:36.240
  • to define it, you know.
  • 00:50:36.240 --> 00:50:38.100
  • I think we have
  • 00:50:38.100 --> 00:50:39.080
  • all experienced grace.
  • 00:50:39.080 --> 00:50:40.030
  • - Victoria: But I like that
  • 00:50:40.030 --> 00:50:40.290
  • because you said that, you know,
  • 00:50:40.290 --> 00:50:41.260
  • it's the goodness of God
  • 00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:42.230
  • that leads you to repentance.
  • 00:50:42.230 --> 00:50:44.070
  • And so, grace isn't
  • 00:50:44.070 --> 00:50:45.060
  • about sinning more.
  • 00:50:45.060 --> 00:50:46.160
  • It's about getting better.
  • 00:50:46.160 --> 00:50:47.270
  • It's about getting stronger.
  • 00:50:47.270 --> 00:50:48.280
  • It's about being able to have
  • 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.280
  • enough grace to resist
  • 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.190
  • the temptation of sin.
  • 00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:54.070
  • - Joseph: In the Old Testament,
  • 00:50:54.070 --> 00:50:55.040
  • you have to repent first before
  • 00:50:55.040 --> 00:50:56.200
  • you see the goodness of God.
  • 00:50:56.200 --> 00:50:57.280
  • That is true under the old,
  • 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.200
  • under the law.
  • 00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:00.270
  • But it's no longer true today.
  • 00:51:00.270 --> 00:51:03.020
  • Today, the goodness of God
  • 00:51:03.020 --> 00:51:05.160
  • comes first.
  • 00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:06.100
  • So, if we show people
  • 00:51:06.100 --> 00:51:07.080
  • the goodness of God,
  • 00:51:07.080 --> 00:51:08.050
  • Jesus heals them,
  • 00:51:08.050 --> 00:51:08.290
  • and they change.
  • 00:51:08.290 --> 00:51:10.270
  • He demonstrated the goodness
  • 00:51:10.270 --> 00:51:12.060
  • of God to Peter
  • 00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:13.220
  • in the net-breaking,
  • 00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:14.220
  • boat-sinking load of fishes,
  • 00:51:14.220 --> 00:51:16.040
  • and Peter says, "Depart from me,
  • 00:51:16.040 --> 00:51:17.090
  • I'm a sinful man."
  • 00:51:17.090 --> 00:51:18.140
  • It's the goodness of God
  • 00:51:18.140 --> 00:51:19.140
  • that led him to repentance.
  • 00:51:19.140 --> 00:51:20.110
  • So, grace is the opposite
  • 00:51:20.110 --> 00:51:21.090
  • of the law.
  • 00:51:21.090 --> 00:51:22.090
  • The law says, "You change first,
  • 00:51:22.090 --> 00:51:24.080
  • then God will change his
  • 00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:25.060
  • attitude towards you."
  • 00:51:25.060 --> 00:51:26.140
  • But grace is, "God loves us.
  • 00:51:26.140 --> 00:51:29.090
  • God is good to us.
  • 00:51:29.090 --> 00:51:31.070
  • Now, receive that
  • 00:51:31.070 --> 00:51:32.040
  • and then you will change."
  • 00:51:32.040 --> 00:51:33.110
  • So, there has been a change.
  • 00:51:33.110 --> 00:51:34.130
  • Now, if Joel and I were in
  • 00:51:34.130 --> 00:51:35.150
  • the Old Testament, we will
  • 00:51:35.150 --> 00:51:37.000
  • definitely be heretics for sure
  • 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.280
  • because we are preaching--
  • 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.070
  • we are both preaching hope
  • 00:51:40.070 --> 00:51:41.090
  • and grace when there's
  • 00:51:41.090 --> 00:51:42.090
  • no foundation for it.
  • 00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:43.090
  • In fact, for us to be accurate,
  • 00:51:43.100 --> 00:51:46.100
  • godly preachers
  • 00:51:46.100 --> 00:51:47.110
  • in the Old Testament
  • 00:51:47.110 --> 00:51:48.140
  • if both of us were there,
  • 00:51:48.140 --> 00:51:49.150
  • we have to preach the law.
  • 00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:50.270
  • You see Joel with the, you know,
  • 00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:54.180
  • the yarmulke and, you know, all
  • 00:51:54.180 --> 00:51:56.100
  • the with the beard, long beard,
  • 00:51:56.100 --> 00:51:57.140
  • and saying, "Don't expect
  • 00:51:57.140 --> 00:51:58.160
  • to wake up to hope.
  • 00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:00.260
  • You know, the judgment
  • 00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:01.220
  • is coming."
  • 00:52:01.220 --> 00:52:02.240
  • And then he'll be accurate and
  • 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:03.200
  • I'll be accurate, you know?
  • 00:52:03.200 --> 00:52:04.270
  • Because it is the word
  • 00:52:04.270 --> 00:52:06.010
  • in season.
  • 00:52:06.010 --> 00:52:07.020
  • But today, we are under grace.
  • 00:52:07.020 --> 00:52:08.100
  • Jesus has died.
  • 00:52:08.100 --> 00:52:09.110
  • The veil has been torn.
  • 00:52:09.110 --> 00:52:10.170
  • God has stepped out,
  • 00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:11.150
  • and God says,
  • 00:52:11.150 --> 00:52:12.120
  • "Welcome home."
  • 00:52:12.120 --> 00:52:13.130
  • All the goodness of God has been
  • 00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:14.080
  • unleashed upon a sighing,
  • 00:52:14.080 --> 00:52:16.140
  • crying, dying world.
  • 00:52:16.140 --> 00:52:17.290
  • You know, and it's crying out
  • 00:52:17.290 --> 00:52:19.000
  • for Jesus, and yet we are
  • 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:20.060
  • not showing the grace.
  • 00:52:20.060 --> 00:52:21.070
  • We have a mixture of law
  • 00:52:21.070 --> 00:52:23.060
  • and grace.
  • 00:52:23.060 --> 00:52:24.180
  • So, we are still in the
  • 00:52:24.180 --> 00:52:25.120
  • dispensation of grace.
  • 00:52:25.120 --> 00:52:26.260
  • Is God judging nations today?
  • 00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:28.260
  • You know, you look at Abraham,
  • 00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:31.030
  • he negotiated with God over
  • 00:52:31.030 --> 00:52:32.080
  • Sodom and Gomorrah.
  • 00:52:32.080 --> 00:52:34.090
  • This is Sodom and Gomorrah,
  • 00:52:34.090 --> 00:52:35.260
  • and yet he say, "God,
  • 00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:36.230
  • if you find ten righteous,
  • 00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:37.200
  • will you destroy?"
  • 00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:38.170
  • God says, "No, I won't destroy
  • 00:52:38.170 --> 00:52:39.190
  • it for ten sake."
  • 00:52:39.190 --> 00:52:41.130
  • There's only one Lord.
  • 00:52:41.130 --> 00:52:43.190
  • God will not destroy Sodom and
  • 00:52:43.190 --> 00:52:44.210
  • Gomorrah, and yet we are saying
  • 00:52:44.210 --> 00:52:46.000
  • that God will judge America.
  • 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.160
  • Hey, don't tell me there are
  • 00:52:48.160 --> 00:52:49.230
  • no ten righteous in America,
  • 00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:51.220
  • come on.
  • 00:52:51.220 --> 00:52:53.020
  • You know, where did this idea
  • 00:52:53.020 --> 00:52:54.220
  • come from?
  • 00:52:54.220 --> 00:52:55.200
  • And then you start getting
  • 00:52:55.200 --> 00:52:56.220
  • accused because you give people
  • 00:52:56.220 --> 00:52:58.000
  • hope and grace, but actually
  • 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.210
  • it's the word in season.
  • 00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:01.040
  • It's the gospel of grace.
  • 00:53:01.040 --> 00:53:02.270
  • Grace is not a teaching.
  • 00:53:02.270 --> 00:53:05.240
  • Grace is the gospel.
  • 00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:07.220
  • It is not do good, get good;
  • 00:53:07.220 --> 00:53:09.000
  • do bad, get bad.
  • 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:10.090
  • It is you can receive good you
  • 00:53:10.090 --> 00:53:11.150
  • don't deserve because another
  • 00:53:11.150 --> 00:53:13.030
  • received all the bad
  • 00:53:13.030 --> 00:53:14.090
  • he didn't deserve, wow.
  • 00:53:14.090 --> 00:53:16.160
  • And for that to happen in
  • 00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:17.210
  • people's life, they need to hear
  • 00:53:17.210 --> 00:53:19.040
  • it again and again every day.
  • 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:20.260
  • - Laurie: If you read the
  • 00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:21.240
  • gospels, I mean, Jesus
  • 00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:23.040
  • is always showing grace.
  • 00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:25.230
  • He's always saying--you know,
  • 00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:27.220
  • the story of the 100 sheep and
  • 00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:30.060
  • the one strays away, the one,
  • 00:53:30.130 --> 00:53:33.130
  • who does he go after?
  • 00:53:33.130 --> 00:53:34.070
  • you just stay here.
  • 00:53:36.130 --> 00:53:36.290
  • I'm going after that one."
  • 00:53:36.290 --> 00:53:38.090
  • You know, that's not the
  • 00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:39.120
  • grace--I need my glasses.
  • 00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:40.240
  • - Matt: You're going to read
  • 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.220
  • something?
  • 00:53:41.220 --> 00:53:42.210
  • - Laurie: I am, sorry.
  • 00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:43.200
  • - Matt: You were about
  • 00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:44.170
  • to hit me with the--
  • 00:53:44.170 --> 00:53:45.130
  • - Joseph: I love that parable.
  • 00:53:45.130 --> 00:53:46.150
  • I really love that parable.
  • 00:53:46.150 --> 00:53:47.150
  • - Laurie: I do too, you know?
  • 00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:48.200
  • But in 2 Thessalonians 2,
  • 00:53:48.230 --> 00:53:51.230
  • verse 16, it says,
  • 00:53:51.230 --> 00:53:53.090
  • "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ
  • 00:53:53.090 --> 00:53:55.010
  • himself and our God and Father,
  • 00:53:55.080 --> 00:53:58.080
  • who has loved us and given
  • 00:53:58.080 --> 00:54:00.090
  • us everlasting consolation
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  • and good hope by grace, comfort
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  • your hearts and establish you in
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  • And that's why we can't have
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  • hope without grace,
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  • and grace without hope.
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  • - Matt: That's why we wake up
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  • and Saturday now, by the way,
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  • six days a week right here on
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  • Trinity Broadcasting.
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  • If you just tuned in, we welcome
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  • you to a beautiful afternoon.
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  • Joseph, I'm just going to ask
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  • you to kind of conclude in
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  • But I just want to say this is
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  • a beautiful afternoon.
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  • We are in the midst of the Hope
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  • and Grace Tour 2018.
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  • And while we've been kind of
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  • enjoying this afternoon,
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  • we've been bouncing in and out
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  • of lots of different clips
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  • from the tour and everything
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  • that we've been doing.
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  • But what a great discussion.
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  • Joel, I'll give you just final
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  • thoughts before Joseph prays.
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  • - Joel: Well, just we're
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  • blessed to be here with you, and
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  • thanks for always inviting us.
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  • Thanks for supporting TBN
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  • and watching.
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  • And you know, just believing
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  • that God's got great things in
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  • store for you, and that even
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  • today you're being inspired,
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  • and getting your hopes up,
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  • and knowing that, again,
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  • you wouldn't be alive
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  • unless God had something
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  • great in front of you.
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  • - Matt: Beautiful, amen.
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  • - Joseph: Well, perhaps
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  • you're watching this and you're
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  • thinking to yourself,
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  • "You know, all this discussion,
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  • I want it to be real
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  • in my life."
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  • Well, God wants it to be real
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  • in your life.
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  • You know, if you'll just
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  • reach out, God is right there
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  • with you.
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  • You might think you're alone,
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  • but he is there.
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  • He caused you to watch
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  • this program.
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  • Just stretch forth your hand
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  • as an act of faith towards
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  • the camera or towards
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  • your television.
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  • And right now in Jesus's name,
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  • Father, I ask that you touch
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  • that person that's watching
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  • right now.
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  • Touch that person with
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  • that supernatural anointing
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  • that destroys every yoke.
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  • Whether it's a mental bondage,
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  • whether it's a physical
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  • affliction, whatever it is,
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  • Father, right now touch that
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  • person and cause that person
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  • right now to be healed,
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  • to be whole mentally freed
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  • from that block.
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  • And Father, I pray in Jesus's
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  • name that the revelation of
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  • Jesus in all his glories and
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  • beauties, the perfection of his
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  • work, will just flood that
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  • person's heart and mind, Lord,
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  • right now that's watching,
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  • in Jesus's name.
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  • And I pray, Father, grant them
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  • seeing eyes and a hearing heart
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  • from this day forth.
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  • When they open the Scriptures,
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  • when they look at the locations
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  • in Israel, I pray, Father,
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  • they will see Jesus.
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  • they will see Jesus.
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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