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Praise | Jamie Foxx, Brie Larson, and Michael B. Jordan | January 9, 2020

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  • (birds chirping)
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  • (peaceful somber music)
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  • - Hey folks this is Jaden with TBN,
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  • and I'm standing in front of
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  • The National Memorial for Justice and Peace.
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  • We're here in Montgomery, Alabama,
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  • where this facility documents over the 4.000 lynchings
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  • that have taken place through the history,
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  • the dark history of America.
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  • It's all because of an incredible Warner Bros.
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  • film entitled "Just Mercy", starring Michael B. Jordan
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  • and Oscar Award Winner Jamie Foxx.
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  • I even get a chance to sit down and speak with
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  • the movie and whom it's all about, Bryan Stevenson,
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  • an attorney that comes to the south
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  • and really begins to do the work
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  • of what it takes to bring unity, peace,
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  • and harmony to situations that are so dark
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  • you'll only have to see the movie
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  • in order to understand how rough it gets.
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  • And so, we're excited to be a part of this.
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  • We're excited to be able to spread that message,
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  • because it all starts with love.
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  • You know, love concurs a multitude of sin
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  • and this is what it's all about,
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  • taking something that may be a dark past of this nation
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  • but bringing it together through the love of God,
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  • the love of Christ, and just the love of truth.
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  • - The work I've been trying to do is really in response
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  • you know, to the profound question that
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  • I think all people of faith should be asking,
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  • that's raised in Micah the sixth chapter.
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  • When it's posed, what does God require of us?
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  • And the answer is given,
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  • that we love mercy.
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  • That we do justice.
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  • And that we walk humbly with Him.
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  • (upbeat rock music)
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  • - [Narrator] Tonight on "Praise", from Alabama,
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  • a star studded praise with Brie Larson,
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  • Jamie Foxx, Michael B. Jordan,
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  • the cast of "Just Mercy".
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  • And now Matt Kraut and Tom Newman!
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  • (crowd cheers)
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  • - We gotta an opportunity with Bryan Stevenson,
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  • and he got to kind of give us the background
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  • that this comes from Micah Chapter six,
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  • "Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly,"
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  • what does the Lord require of us?
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  • And so, that's the theme of this movie.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Jamie Foxx plays Walter McMillian
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  • and he very quickly became, (chuckles)
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  • just one of my my favorite people.
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  • He was playing a role that was so hard,
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  • and that his character's going through something
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  • that just seems unimaginably painful.
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  • And he brought so much fun and lightness and storytelling.
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  • He was always walking around with music
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  • and keeping the mood up despite doing scenes
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  • that were really heavy.
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  • And some of my favorite moments on this film
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  • were in our holding suites.
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  • In between takes they have a room for
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  • all the actors with our chairs.
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  • And he would lead conversations about
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  • exactly what this film was about.
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  • Talking about his past, talking about what is was like
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  • to be a young black man growing up.
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  • (dark suspenseful music)
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  • - Tell me everything that happened.
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  • (tense tones)
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  • The first time I visited death-row,
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  • I wasn't expecting to meet somebody the same age as me.
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  • From a neighborhood just like ours.
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  • Could have been me momma.
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  • - But what you're doin is gonna make a lot of people upset.
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  • - You always to taught me to fight for
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  • the people who need the help most.
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  • Your life is still meaningful,
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  • and I'm gonna do everything possible to keep them
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  • from taking it. (slams hands down)
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  • - You don't even know what you into down here in Alabama.
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  • When you guilty from the moment you born.
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  • Guard! - Mr. McMillian.
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  • - We done here. (clock ticking rapidly)
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  • - Mr. McMillian please!
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  • (tense tones buildup)
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  • - I was just about to give up,
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  • when I got a call from a Harvard lawyer looking to
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  • start a legal center for inmates on death-row.
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  • I was in even before you offered me the job.
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  • ("Amen Amen" by Andra)
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  • - You the lawyer? - Yes ma'am.
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  • - Thank you so much for driving all the way out here.
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  • Most lawyers barely make time to call.
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  • - I can't believe you talked to all my people,
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  • say you gonna fight for me.
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  • - I did.
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  • - That mean a lot.
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  • - You go diggin' in those wounds,
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  • you gonna be makin' a lot of people very unhappy.
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  • - When people care about a thing that much
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  • they'll do anything to get what they want.
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  • - When I first learned about all this,
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  • it was like looking at a river full of drowning people
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  • and not having any way of helping them.
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  • Amen
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  • - You ain't quittin is you?
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  • - No sir.
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  • To all the crazy things that I've done.
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  • - Each of us is more than the worst thing
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  • that we've ever done.
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  • That made me who I am
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  • - I know what it's like to be in the shadows.
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  • I say amen - This is my dad,
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  • he didn't do nothin wrong.
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  • - It's never to late for justice.
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  • To all who ever hurt me
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  • - You the only one who cared enough to fight for me.
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  • I'm stronger 'cause of them
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  • - [Bryan] If we can look at ourself closely--
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  • And I might not have the answers
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  • - [Bryan] We can change this world for the better.
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  • But the questions make more sense
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  • - We all need grace.
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  • We all need mercy.
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  • Amen
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  • - I got my truth back, you gave that to me,
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  • and ain't nobody gonna take that from us.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Well we was talkin off camera about,
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  • church and what it means to us.
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  • Growing up as a young black kid in Terrell, Texas,
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  • you can't get more church than that.
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  • So, with my grandmother and what she instilled in me,
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  • as far as, how you want people to see you,
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  • and how you want to be seen?
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  • So, a lot of what we do, and what I do is,
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  • I try to connect people in that way of,
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  • in your quietest moment with your spirituality towards God
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  • how do you go out during your day?
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  • - Yeah. - You know, how do you
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  • view people?
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  • Color, creed...
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  • How does what we've learned in the Bible,
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  • teach us how to treat people here on earth.
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  • Because I feel that there He is with a score card,
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  • you know, literally saying,
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  • "Okay you did that, you did that."
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  • So, I think Bryan Stevenson and what Michael B. Jordan
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  • has done with this film has allowed us
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  • to look inside of ourselves.
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  • You know, we tested this movie, (coughs)
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  • and from an all black audience it was 97%.
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  • We was in hope that that would happen.
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  • But you know, what was interesting?
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  • Tested it in front of a mostly white audience it was 98%.
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  • - Come on now. - So, what that tells you,
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  • is that the humanity, the spirit of the movie,
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  • is so needed.
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  • And I think anytime we're able to connect
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  • our spiritual with our physical,
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  • it's a better world for us. - Come on now.
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  • - So, if that answers your question,
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  • I know that I live like that.
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  • Like I was telling you all off camera
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  • about my four year old learning the books of
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  • the Bible, it's important.
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  • Because now when we go out,
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  • when we have our spiritual connection to our physical,
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  • we look at things different.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - It's not an easy job to play Bryan Stevenson,
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  • but if there was anyone that was gonna do it,
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  • it was gonna be Michael B. Jordan.
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  • Because he embodies it, and believes in it.
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  • And you can feel when he was talking
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  • that this was a film and a subject matter
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  • that really mattered to him to the core.
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  • There are moments in this movie that
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  • I feel lucky that I was present for.
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  • Because when they hit these certain levels of transcendence
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  • it's like magics in the room.
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  • The air changes, something feels different,
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  • and I was able to experience that with him many times.
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  • Times when he was doing courtroom scenes
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  • where he's saying long paragraphs of dialogue
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  • and breaking down and having all this complexity
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  • and beauty and compassion in his face.
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  • And then there was another scene where we were
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  • just sitting on a park bench,
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  • and it felt like a flow state beyond time.
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  • And that's a true testament to his abilities.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Now you (stutters) want to come all the way to my house,
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  • at dinnertime, to tell me how to do my job.
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  • - No, no, no no no. - Huh?
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  • - I'm here because I think you know the difference
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  • between right and wrong.
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  • And you know Johnny D. didn't kill that girl.
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  • I'm filing a motion to dismiss all charges.
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  • And I think that you should join it.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Michael B., this is a big project for you.
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  • Additionally producer and how did this
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  • connect to you personally too?
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  • - I think for me, I played a bunch of
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  • different type of characters,
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  • a lot of 'em which they say something.
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  • You know, they have a perspective on certain things,
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  • they speak to our culture, they speak to humanity.
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  • They pose a lot of questions.
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  • Hopefully a lot of conversation starters.
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  • And for this one, was one spectrum that
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  • I haven't yet touched before, on the judicial system.
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  • You know faith, hope, optimism.
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  • And I feel like Bryan Stevenson after meeting him,
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  • I was embarrassed to say I didn't know much
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  • about him before five years ago,
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  • when I got approached with the project.
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  • But after doing my education and learning on him
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  • and his work, and his background,
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  • his faith-based background, you know,
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  • a lot of similarities between me and himself,
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  • with the church especially.
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  • And his willingness to do good,
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  • to speak up for people who can't speak.
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  • To selflessly put himself in a tough situation.
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  • Self-sacrifice.
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  • For all those reasons, you know the work that he's doing.
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  • I felt like I could use my platform
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  • to help get that message out to the masses.
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  • Teaming up with Warner Bros.,
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  • Arguably the biggest studio in the world.
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  • Being able to get that message around the world
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  • I think is really important.
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  • And yeah, it's specific, the stories specific
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  • to our culture and our community,
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  • but it's very much so a human issue.
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  • It's a global issue.
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  • Systemic oppression is all over the world.
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  • So being able to kind of speak to those type of things
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  • through my art, through my work is really important.
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  • - The Michael B. Jordan of it all,
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  • for a young gifted entertainer to be at his biggest moment
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  • to do, "Just Mercy" is a blessing for us because,
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  • when he started out with "Fruitvale Station"
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  • he took our hearts.
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  • Talking about a narrative that happens in our community,
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  • let's get our eyes on it.
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  • And then to play Killmonger, biggest movie in the world,
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  • but to still have that narrative going,
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  • that when our kids watch, no matter what color the kids,
  • 00:11:39.170 --> 00:11:42.260
  • they're watching a man who plays a character
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  • with conviction about what he feels about who he is.
  • 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.010
  • And so, that being said,
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  • this movie now,
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  • we can use as a tool or a blueprint
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  • to look at things differently.
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  • Bryan Stevenson said,
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  • "There's a bushel of apples,
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  • "or a basket of apples,
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  • "every 10th apple you eat, you die.
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  • "Do you still want that basket of apples?"
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  • So, if it's in the justice system that
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  • every 10th person is wrongfully convicted
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  • when it comes to capital punishment,
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  • what do we do?
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  • So his tireless effort is what we have to protect.
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  • Because even in...
  • 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.000
  • You never know when it may come and land at your doorstep.
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  • So, I appreciate the fact that,
  • 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.210
  • like I said, Michael has done this.
  • 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:49.210
  • Bryan Stevenson does this everyday.
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  • And we're gonna go out and absolutely
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  • try to change the narrative.
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  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:12:57.010 --> 00:12:58.050
  • - So Walter McMillian becomes one of
  • 00:12:58.050 --> 00:12:59.140
  • the more central cases in this film.
  • 00:12:59.140 --> 00:13:02.070
  • And it's a really emotional story
  • 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:06.170
  • about a man that obviously was not there
  • 00:13:06.170 --> 00:13:09.230
  • and was convicted of something based off of
  • 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:11.270
  • a very faulty testimony.
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  • And that becomes our way into the story
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  • and into something that is happening all the time.
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  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Hey folks it's Javen here with TBN,
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  • I'm excited to be here on location in Montgomery, Alabama.
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  • We are talking to the man himself
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  • about a movie entitled, "Just Mercy".
  • 00:13:29.170 --> 00:13:32.120
  • It's the life and the story of Bryan Stevenson.
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  • It's an incredible heroic story, starring Michael B. Jordan,
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  • and Oscar Award winner, Jamie Foxx.
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  • How you doing Bryan?
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  • - I'm well thank you.
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  • - [Javen] What do you think about all this stuff?
  • 00:13:44.070 --> 00:13:45.050
  • - It's pretty heavy, you know,
  • 00:13:45.050 --> 00:13:46.200
  • it's been a bit surreal, but I'm very excited about it.
  • 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.220
  • I've spent my career trying to get people
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  • to pay attention, to the plight of the poor.
  • 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:54.190
  • And the accused, and the incarcerated, and the condemned.
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:57.290
  • And so it's very exciting to now have a platform
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  • like a big studio movie and extraordinarily talented
  • 00:14:00.260 --> 00:14:04.100
  • people like Michael B. Jordan, and Jamie Foxx.
  • 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:07.010
  • - Great cast. - And giving life to
  • 00:14:07.010 --> 00:14:08.140
  • these characters and clients of mine,
  • 00:14:08.140 --> 00:14:10.160
  • the clients that I've represented and care so much about.
  • 00:14:10.160 --> 00:14:13.200
  • - This was a book before correct?
  • 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.160
  • - Yes, that's right.
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  • Yeah, I wrote the book in 2014,
  • 00:14:16.140 --> 00:14:19.140
  • because I wanted people to see more of
  • 00:14:19.140 --> 00:14:20.290
  • what I see on a regular basis.
  • 00:14:20.290 --> 00:14:23.290
  • The struggles, the trauma, the pain, the anguish
  • 00:14:23.290 --> 00:14:28.000
  • of being wrongly convicted, unfairly sentenced.
  • 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.190
  • It's something we haven't paid a lot of
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  • attention too, and it's one of
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  • the reasons why we've allowed our country
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  • to have the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
  • 00:14:36.140 --> 00:14:39.180
  • And there's so much inequality and so much injustice
  • 00:14:39.180 --> 00:14:42.000
  • that I think if people saw,
  • 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:43.230
  • they might be motivated to respond too.
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  • And that was my motivation in writing the book.
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  • - The movie follows you as a young man--
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  • - Yeah. - moving to Alabama.
  • 00:14:50.250 --> 00:14:53.000
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:53.280
  • - Why did you come to Alabama?
  • 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:55.240
  • - We do not provide legal services to people
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  • equally in this country.
  • 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.250
  • We have a lot of states that don't have
  • 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:03.110
  • public defender systems, that don't provide people with
  • 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:07.080
  • the compensation they need to get adequate defense,
  • 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.250
  • and Alabama's one of those states.
  • 00:15:10.250 --> 00:15:12.200
  • Alabama had dozens of people on death-row
  • 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:17.090
  • literally dying for legal assistance.
  • 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:19.160
  • There are no institutions here trying to meet that need.
  • 00:15:19.160 --> 00:15:22.250
  • And so, I came here, we set up the project,
  • 00:15:22.250 --> 00:15:26.280
  • and we immediately began working on
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  • behalf of condemned people.
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  • And since that time the organization has grown.
  • 00:15:30.290 --> 00:15:33.210
  • But you know, this is a state that has
  • 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:36.080
  • a long history also of racial inequality.
  • 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.090
  • And that legacy contributed to a lot of
  • 00:15:39.090 --> 00:15:42.290
  • the injustice that I saw.
  • 00:15:42.290 --> 00:15:44.160
  • Walter McMillian, who's the accused in this story,
  • 00:15:44.160 --> 00:15:48.260
  • would not have been convicted if he hadn't been
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  • presumed dangerous and guilty,
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  • which is a burden that black and brown people
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  • in this country have to carry.
  • 00:15:54.270 --> 00:15:57.130
  • And so confronting that history
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  • and doing work in a place like this
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  • was really important to me.
  • 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.010
  • Because I felt like if we could fight
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  • and achieve justice here, it might make people
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  • understand they could do it anywhere.
  • 00:16:05.290 --> 00:16:07.100
  • - So, I got a question for you.
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  • - Yeah? (Javen chuckles)
  • 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.040
  • - Not that I haven't been asking you questions.
  • 00:16:10.040 --> 00:16:11.260
  • (both laughing)
  • 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:13.030
  • But as a young man, taking on such a,
  • 00:16:13.030 --> 00:16:16.100
  • in my opinion, a huge, it's almost like David and Goliath,
  • 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:19.280
  • I would imagine. - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:21.070
  • - Where is your faith during this time?
  • 00:16:21.070 --> 00:16:23.040
  • - Yeah, yeah. - What keeps you grounded?
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  • What you know, how do you...
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  • Cause even in the movie it shows where there's
  • 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.240
  • possible death threats and all this kind of stuff.
  • 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.110
  • - Well I've always had to believe things I haven't seen.
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  • I mean my...
  • 00:16:37.110 --> 00:16:39.130
  • I was taught that you have to have faith.
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  • You have to have hope.
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  • I'm the great-grandchild of people who were enslaved.
  • 00:16:44.140 --> 00:16:47.050
  • My great-grandparents were enslaved in Virginia.
  • 00:16:47.050 --> 00:16:49.120
  • And yet they had enough hope for freedom,
  • 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.270
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:16:51.270 --> 00:16:52.250
  • - that they learned to read.
  • 00:16:52.250 --> 00:16:54.020
  • My grandparents were terrorized during
  • 00:16:54.020 --> 00:16:55.020
  • the period of lynching and yet,
  • 00:16:55.020 --> 00:16:57.070
  • they had enough love for one another
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  • that they could create another generation.
  • 00:16:58.180 --> 00:17:00.220
  • I grew up at the end of Jim Crow segregation.
  • 00:17:00.220 --> 00:17:02.130
  • I started my education in a colored school.
  • 00:17:02.130 --> 00:17:06.270
  • I never met a lawyer until I got to law school.
  • 00:17:06.270 --> 00:17:09.150
  • So, I've always had to believe things I haven't seen.
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  • And you know, it is an important part of the work I do.
  • 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:15.260
  • I feel like I'm standing on the shoulders of people,
  • 00:17:15.260 --> 00:17:18.250
  • who did so much more with so much less.
  • 00:17:18.250 --> 00:17:20.200
  • - Yeah. - And they have taught me
  • 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:22.110
  • that you have to be willing to stand up sometimes
  • 00:17:22.110 --> 00:17:25.150
  • when other people say, "sit down."
  • 00:17:25.150 --> 00:17:26.270
  • To speak when other people say be quiet.
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  • And that's the tradition that I'm trying to honor.
  • 00:17:29.080 --> 00:17:32.100
  • You know for me this work has been a calling.
  • 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:35.070
  • I just believe that,
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  • you know for those of us who think that
  • 00:17:37.290 --> 00:17:41.240
  • every valley shall be exalted.
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  • That mountains could be made low.
  • 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:45.280
  • And crooked places could be made be straight.
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  • And rough places could be made plain.
  • 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.050
  • If we could believe all of that we have to believe
  • 00:17:49.050 --> 00:17:51.040
  • we can do better,
  • 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:52.190
  • than have the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
  • 00:17:52.190 --> 00:17:54.050
  • That we could put thousands of innocent people
  • 00:17:54.050 --> 00:17:56.060
  • in jails and prisons.
  • 00:17:56.060 --> 00:17:57.190
  • That we can execute people despite their clear
  • 00:17:57.190 --> 00:18:01.130
  • capacity for redemption and restoration.
  • 00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:04.170
  • And so that's shaped my work.
  • 00:18:04.170 --> 00:18:06.010
  • And it has certainly animated the work
  • 00:18:06.010 --> 00:18:07.230
  • that I've tried to do, and my life.
  • 00:18:07.230 --> 00:18:09.100
  • Which you know I'm grateful
  • 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:10.230
  • and I feel really privileged to do what I do.
  • 00:18:10.230 --> 00:18:12.250
  • - Definitely. - Yeah.
  • 00:18:12.250 --> 00:18:14.030
  • - [Javen] It comes up in the movie at some point
  • 00:18:14.030 --> 00:18:15.270
  • where the young lady says to you,
  • 00:18:15.270 --> 00:18:18.180
  • you basically break the rules as a lawyer.
  • 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:22.190
  • These people start becoming family, they become friends.
  • 00:18:22.190 --> 00:18:25.120
  • You almost become a sense of hope
  • 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:28.070
  • and direction to them.
  • 00:18:28.070 --> 00:18:29.100
  • In a way that is very,
  • 00:18:29.100 --> 00:18:32.050
  • I would guess unorthodox for an attorney.
  • 00:18:32.050 --> 00:18:34.170
  • Was that on purpose?
  • 00:18:34.170 --> 00:18:35.150
  • Is that just authentic?
  • 00:18:35.150 --> 00:18:37.000
  • What happened?
  • 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.060
  • - Yeah I think for me you get drawn into
  • 00:18:38.060 --> 00:18:41.010
  • the lives of your client.
  • 00:18:41.010 --> 00:18:42.130
  • I think when you care about someone,
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:45.230
  • you look more carefully.
  • 00:18:45.230 --> 00:18:47.240
  • You think more critically.
  • 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.210
  • You work harder.
  • 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:51.250
  • And I've always wanted to be the kind of lawyer
  • 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:54.240
  • for my clients that I would want somebody to be for me
  • 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.090
  • if I were in trouble.
  • 00:18:57.090 --> 00:18:58.100
  • That means you do become close,
  • 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:01.250
  • you do become friends,
  • 00:19:01.250 --> 00:19:03.020
  • you become someone who means something
  • 00:19:03.020 --> 00:19:06.100
  • to your clients and they mean something to you.
  • 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:09.010
  • And that makes the hard times harder.
  • 00:19:09.010 --> 00:19:11.000
  • - [Javen] Yeah.
  • 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.060
  • - It makes the frustrations deeper.
  • 00:19:12.060 --> 00:19:13.220
  • But it also makes the joy priceless and precious.
  • 00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:16.260
  • I don't try to discourage people
  • 00:19:18.120 --> 00:19:20.250
  • from embracing that model.
  • 00:19:20.250 --> 00:19:23.210
  • People say how do you protect yourself.
  • 00:19:23.210 --> 00:19:24.290
  • I say you can't protect yourself.
  • 00:19:24.290 --> 00:19:26.100
  • You protect yourself by doing the best you can,
  • 00:19:26.100 --> 00:19:29.020
  • working as hard as you can.
  • 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:30.170
  • And there will be tears. - Yeah.
  • 00:19:30.170 --> 00:19:31.160
  • - But there will also be,
  • 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.120
  • unparalleled joy. - Yeah.
  • 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:35.120
  • - If you fight and succeed.
  • 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:36.290
  • And I've had the privilege of experiencing
  • 00:19:36.290 --> 00:19:38.190
  • both of those things, yeah. - Love it, love it.
  • 00:19:38.190 --> 00:19:40.130
  • It seems to me like you're love for,
  • 00:19:40.130 --> 00:19:43.240
  • Jamie Foxx's character... - Yeah.
  • 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.140
  • - [Jevan] What's his name again?
  • 00:19:45.140 --> 00:19:46.210
  • - Walter McMillian - Walter McMillian.
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  • Great story. - Yeah.
  • 00:19:48.110 --> 00:19:49.120
  • - Incredible triumph. - Yeah.
  • 00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:51.280
  • - Of course a great outcome. - Yeah.
  • 00:19:51.280 --> 00:19:54.210
  • - At some moment in the movie you see
  • 00:19:54.210 --> 00:19:57.120
  • where you're able to break through.
  • 00:19:57.120 --> 00:19:58.250
  • Cause at first he's not trying to hear from you.
  • 00:19:58.250 --> 00:20:00.050
  • - Right right - He doesn't want,
  • 00:20:00.050 --> 00:20:01.260
  • You know he's hopeless. - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:20:01.260 --> 00:20:03.160
  • - I mean you talk about hope. - Yeah.
  • 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:04.260
  • - He's hopeless, but it seems to me...
  • 00:20:04.260 --> 00:20:06.260
  • And you correct me if I'm wrong.
  • 00:20:06.260 --> 00:20:08.070
  • It seems to me your love for him,
  • 00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.060
  • your love for changing the outcome of his life,
  • 00:20:10.060 --> 00:20:13.030
  • breaks that wall down. - Yeah.
  • 00:20:13.030 --> 00:20:14.150
  • - And allowed you-- - Yeah, yeah,
  • 00:20:14.150 --> 00:20:16.130
  • Yeah, I think for a lot of people
  • 00:20:16.130 --> 00:20:18.120
  • when you're in these really difficult situations,
  • 00:20:18.120 --> 00:20:20.210
  • if you allow yourself to have hope,
  • 00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:22.250
  • you're gonna be vulnerable to all of these
  • 00:20:22.250 --> 00:20:24.120
  • ups and downs, all of these emotions,
  • 00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:26.030
  • all of these things that you can't control.
  • 00:20:26.030 --> 00:20:28.180
  • And a lot of people, they just block that out.
  • 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:32.000
  • And so I do think it's my role
  • 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.010
  • to restore that hope.
  • 00:20:34.010 --> 00:20:35.250
  • Because I do believe that hopelessness
  • 00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:37.200
  • is the enemy of justice.
  • 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.290
  • Our hope is our super power.
  • 00:20:38.290 --> 00:20:40.050
  • - Say that again.
  • 00:20:40.050 --> 00:20:41.110
  • - Hopelessness is the enemy of justice.
  • 00:20:41.110 --> 00:20:43.280
  • And justice prevails where hopelessness persists.
  • 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:47.070
  • So we have to have hope.
  • 00:20:47.070 --> 00:20:48.050
  • I think you're either hopeful
  • 00:20:48.050 --> 00:20:49.160
  • or you're the problem. - Wow.
  • 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.010
  • - Because hope is the thing that will get you to stand up
  • 00:20:51.010 --> 00:20:53.120
  • when other people say sit down.
  • 00:20:53.120 --> 00:20:54.180
  • And get you to speak
  • 00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:55.160
  • when other people say be quiet.
  • 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:56.230
  • It was the hope of the generation before me
  • 00:20:56.230 --> 00:20:59.060
  • in this city,
  • 00:20:59.060 --> 00:21:00.230
  • that they could break down the walls of segregation
  • 00:21:00.230 --> 00:21:02.240
  • so that a lawyer like me might have an opportunity,
  • 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.150
  • to help people like Walter McMillian.
  • 00:21:05.150 --> 00:21:07.080
  • It was the hope of the generation before them.
  • 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:09.220
  • That had to dodge and flee
  • 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:11.010
  • all of that terrorism and violence.
  • 00:21:11.010 --> 00:21:12.220
  • And the hope of the generation before them
  • 00:21:12.220 --> 00:21:14.060
  • who were enslaved, that one day they'd be free.
  • 00:21:14.060 --> 00:21:17.230
  • That is very much an orientation that I have.
  • 00:21:17.230 --> 00:21:21.060
  • And it's easy to understand how you lose it.
  • 00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:23.100
  • When you've been so badly treated.
  • 00:21:23.100 --> 00:21:25.140
  • But I do think part of my job is to
  • 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:26.260
  • kind of help people reclaim that,
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  • find that, restore that.
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  • So we can fight together.
  • 00:21:30.110 --> 00:21:32.100
  • - What's your one take away you'd want everybody
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  • to have when they see "Just Mercy"?
  • 00:21:36.120 --> 00:21:38.120
  • - Yeah, that we can leave the theater
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  • and actually improve our system of justice.
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  • We don't have to have the highest rate
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  • of incarceration in the world.
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  • We can end this misguided War on Drugs
  • 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.250
  • that's put so many hundreds of thousands
  • 00:21:48.250 --> 00:21:50.170
  • of people in jails and prisons.
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  • We can demand fairness in our system.
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  • I think that's the thing I hope.
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  • I hope people will learn who their prosecutor is
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  • and make sure that their prosecutor
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  • is not being indifferent to claims of innocence
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  • or unfairness.
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  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:22:03.260 --> 00:22:05.040
  • - I play Eva, who in real life
  • 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:06.290
  • helped Bryan start what later became
  • 00:22:06.290 --> 00:22:09.100
  • the Equal Justice Initiative.
  • 00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:10.260
  • She didn't have a degree.
  • 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:15.070
  • But was just working from her heart in Alabama.
  • 00:22:15.070 --> 00:22:19.010
  • And Bryan heard about her, heard what she was doing.
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  • And she was basically just cold calling people,
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  • she was mortified by what was happening
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  • in her community and took it upon herself
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  • to just start calling every lawyer
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  • that she could find in the phone book.
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  • An try to connect them with these men
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  • that were not getting fair representation.
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  • Through that she ended up working with Bryan,
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  • and becomes this support to him and his work.
  • 00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:40.120
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:41.210
  • - So let's just if we can start
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  • on the wide shot of this project.
  • 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:46.120
  • And again we're apart of a bigger conversation
  • 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:48.290
  • with what we're doing here.
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  • So let's just start with you Karan.
  • 00:22:50.210 --> 00:22:52.210
  • What is the big picture for you?
  • 00:22:52.210 --> 00:22:55.200
  • Inside of this role, inside of this film,
  • 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:57.240
  • this project, this conversation in general.
  • 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.290
  • - Sure I think the big picture for me
  • 00:22:59.290 --> 00:23:02.110
  • is the incredible opportunity
  • 00:23:02.110 --> 00:23:04.220
  • to share the story of a man
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  • who is changing the world.
  • 00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:09.130
  • Bryan Stevenson is working with such purpose
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  • and has been for over three decades.
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  • And we have the opportunity to
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  • share with people the work that he's doing
  • 00:23:18.230 --> 00:23:20.260
  • and what an incredible impact it's making.
  • 00:23:20.260 --> 00:23:24.030
  • - Brie.
  • 00:23:24.030 --> 00:23:24.280
  • - To be part of a conversation,
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  • a conversation about community.
  • 00:23:29.040 --> 00:23:31.060
  • And about getting close to other people.
  • 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:34.160
  • To get close to people
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  • that maybe we didn't have a conversation
  • 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.030
  • with before or didn't know about.
  • 00:23:37.030 --> 00:23:38.070
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:23:38.070 --> 00:23:40.020
  • - I was a psychology major writin a paper
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  • on capital punishment,
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  • when I met my first death row inmate, Wayne Ritter.
  • 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:46.260
  • He and his friend robbed a pawn shop in Mobile.
  • 00:23:46.260 --> 00:23:49.240
  • His friend shot the owner.
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  • They both got death.
  • 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:52.180
  • - Is he the reason why you got into this?
  • 00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:56.160
  • - His attorney was openly in favor of the death penalty.
  • 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.100
  • He thought mad dogs oughta die.
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  • - She's pretty stressed out.
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  • - I was just about to give up
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  • when I got a call from a Harvard lawyer,
  • 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:10.070
  • saying that he had just passed
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  • the Alabama Bar, and had federal funding
  • 00:24:12.020 --> 00:24:14.110
  • to start a legal center for inmates on death row.
  • 00:24:14.110 --> 00:24:17.060
  • I was in before he even offered me the job.
  • 00:24:18.150 --> 00:24:20.220
  • (camera beeps)
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  • - Did you meet Eva?
  • 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.290
  • Did you spend time with her?
  • 00:24:23.290 --> 00:24:25.180
  • - Oh yes I did we spoke on the phone a few times.
  • 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.200
  • And then she came and visited us on set a few times.
  • 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.090
  • For me it felt like,
  • 00:24:32.090 --> 00:24:34.100
  • depicting her on screen felt like
  • 00:24:34.100 --> 00:24:35.280
  • such a wonderful collaboration.
  • 00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:38.080
  • Getting to take the work that she's done for so long
  • 00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:41.050
  • along with the work that I've done for so long,
  • 00:24:41.050 --> 00:24:42.220
  • and use both of those to be in this film
  • 00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:45.170
  • was incredible.
  • 00:24:45.170 --> 00:24:46.120
  • - Your motivation for being a part of the project
  • 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.170
  • in general personally.
  • 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:50.290
  • - As an actor I always appreciate the opportunity
  • 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.090
  • to tell a good story.
  • 00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:57.000
  • I think with this one,
  • 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.150
  • the kind of heightened awareness
  • 00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:01.080
  • of you're sharing the life of someone
  • 00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:02.280
  • who is still with us.
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  • Someone who will see this story.
  • 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.120
  • It adds a layer to the process for sure.
  • 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:10.260
  • And I have to think in terms of
  • 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:12.100
  • how do I want her to feel.
  • 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:16.100
  • Seeing herself, seeing her life,
  • 00:25:16.100 --> 00:25:17.290
  • her story shared.
  • 00:25:17.290 --> 00:25:18.270
  • So for me it was about service.
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  • How do I serve this piece.
  • 00:25:21.170 --> 00:25:23.020
  • How do I serve her narrative.
  • 00:25:23.020 --> 00:25:25.010
  • How do I show her example choosing love.
  • 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:30.290
  • This is a woman who has every reason to walk away.
  • 00:25:30.290 --> 00:25:33.290
  • But she chooses to stand.
  • 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:35.130
  • She chooses to stay and stand in the gap.
  • 00:25:35.130 --> 00:25:38.260
  • For someone who has not always made choices
  • 00:25:38.260 --> 00:25:42.160
  • for her best interest.
  • 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.140
  • I think there is such power in that.
  • 00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:46.230
  • And such humanity in that.
  • 00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:48.180
  • And so for me it was just about coming together,
  • 00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:51.020
  • with a wonderful group of story tellers,
  • 00:25:51.020 --> 00:25:53.110
  • that were gathered.
  • 00:25:53.110 --> 00:25:54.230
  • To share that slice of life.
  • 00:25:54.230 --> 00:25:56.170
  • - Same.
  • 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:57.120
  • - To play Eva and depict within this larger story,
  • 00:25:59.110 --> 00:26:03.080
  • a woman who was curious about her
  • 00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:05.230
  • community, saw the injustices that were being,
  • 00:26:05.230 --> 00:26:09.030
  • that were happening right in front of her,
  • 00:26:09.030 --> 00:26:10.270
  • in her neighborhood.
  • 00:26:10.270 --> 00:26:12.110
  • And standing up and doing something about that.
  • 00:26:12.110 --> 00:26:15.040
  • Really speaks to our ability
  • 00:26:15.040 --> 00:26:17.150
  • that we have inside of us.
  • 00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:18.210
  • It's not just about being a lawyer.
  • 00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:20.130
  • That's not the only way that we can be of service.
  • 00:26:20.130 --> 00:26:23.270
  • And I think this film,
  • 00:26:23.270 --> 00:26:25.130
  • if it leaves with you any feelings at the end of it
  • 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.170
  • of wanting to do more,
  • 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:28.220
  • I think it's a great example,
  • 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:30.090
  • that there's so much that all of us can do.
  • 00:26:30.090 --> 00:26:32.190
  • - Seeing her family at risk at one point,
  • 00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:36.050
  • in there did you ever discuss that with her
  • 00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:38.080
  • over the phone or have that discussion?
  • 00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:40.040
  • I know that was a very dramatic moment in the film
  • 00:26:40.040 --> 00:26:43.150
  • - Yeah we talked more about the things that were
  • 00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:46.290
  • risked for her as a whole.
  • 00:26:46.290 --> 00:26:49.130
  • Not necessarily the specifics of that moment.
  • 00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:53.000
  • You know when something feels so true,
  • 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.010
  • that nothing can stop you from telling that truth.
  • 00:26:55.010 --> 00:26:57.190
  • - Yes. - Yeah, it's that.
  • 00:26:57.190 --> 00:26:59.170
  • - Wow. - So I'm not an actor.
  • 00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:02.130
  • So I don't pretend to be, don't want to try to be.
  • 00:27:02.130 --> 00:27:04.280
  • - You could try.
  • 00:27:06.050 --> 00:27:07.060
  • (laughs)
  • 00:27:07.060 --> 00:27:08.040
  • - No you don't want me to try--
  • 00:27:08.040 --> 00:27:09.080
  • - I might, we don't know.
  • 00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:10.250
  • Don't tell yourself no just yet.
  • 00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:12.280
  • - But I can tell you that I was impacted by the film.
  • 00:27:12.280 --> 00:27:16.190
  • A particular line near the end of the film
  • 00:27:16.190 --> 00:27:18.270
  • where it said,
  • 00:27:18.270 --> 00:27:20.040
  • "If you look closely inside of yourself
  • 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:21.150
  • "you will realize that all of us need some
  • 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:23.230
  • "amount of mercy, and unmerited grace."
  • 00:27:23.230 --> 00:27:28.230
  • That's kind of...
  • 00:27:29.290 --> 00:27:31.190
  • That comes straight out of the Bible,
  • 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.060
  • you know in essence.
  • 00:27:35.060 --> 00:27:37.050
  • How does that whole side of things, your faith
  • 00:27:37.050 --> 00:27:40.100
  • connect to this project in general.
  • 00:27:40.100 --> 00:27:42.240
  • - Yeah I think it's really easy
  • 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.110
  • to talk about faith but
  • 00:27:44.110 --> 00:27:46.080
  • it's much more difficult to walk it out.
  • 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:49.120
  • To me that statement and the idea of mercy
  • 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.160
  • is one that,
  • 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.220
  • you know as Bryan talks about proximity.
  • 00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:57.130
  • Not kind of having this idea
  • 00:27:58.180 --> 00:28:00.040
  • of someone else's experience
  • 00:28:00.040 --> 00:28:01.090
  • but getting close enough to understand it.
  • 00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:03.140
  • And I think that's where it begins.
  • 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:05.170
  • Really connecting with someone else,
  • 00:28:05.170 --> 00:28:07.070
  • as a human being.
  • 00:28:07.070 --> 00:28:08.150
  • Even if their experience is different than yours.
  • 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:10.220
  • Even if there are things about them you don't understand.
  • 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:13.090
  • But getting close enough
  • 00:28:13.090 --> 00:28:14.230
  • to begin to have maybe a conversation that
  • 00:28:14.230 --> 00:28:17.030
  • may be uncomfortable.
  • 00:28:17.030 --> 00:28:18.160
  • And to start from there,
  • 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.060
  • to walk in the humanity of that,
  • 00:28:20.060 --> 00:28:22.220
  • the compassion of that.
  • 00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:24.060
  • The grace of that and the mercy of that.
  • 00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:27.220
  • - Follow up to that exactly,
  • 00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:29.010
  • and then we'll get the same question
  • 00:28:29.010 --> 00:28:30.140
  • but the follow up to that is then,
  • 00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:32.200
  • what is that conversation?
  • 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:33.280
  • What do you want to say?
  • 00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:35.080
  • You have the attention of the TBN viewers.
  • 00:28:37.010 --> 00:28:40.010
  • What do you want to say to them?
  • 00:28:40.010 --> 00:28:41.150
  • In regard to what that means, walking it out.
  • 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:44.010
  • - I think love is a choice.
  • 00:28:44.010 --> 00:28:46.110
  • And I think that we should choose love.
  • 00:28:46.110 --> 00:28:49.120
  • And that looks like different things
  • 00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:51.010
  • to different people based on where you are.
  • 00:28:51.010 --> 00:28:53.060
  • I'll often say no one can do everything.
  • 00:28:54.100 --> 00:28:56.220
  • But everyone can do something.
  • 00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.220
  • So it's about being still enough
  • 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:01.000
  • to find your something.
  • 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.150
  • And then walk in that.
  • 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:03.180
  • - So the first question was
  • 00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:06.260
  • how does that play out,
  • 00:29:06.260 --> 00:29:08.200
  • you know the meaning of that line
  • 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.160
  • at the end of the movie about unmerited grace,
  • 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.160
  • we all need it.
  • 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:14.210
  • If we look at ourselves we all need it.
  • 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:16.100
  • How did that connect you to this project, in general?
  • 00:29:16.100 --> 00:29:19.200
  • - For me it's connecting with what I know.
  • 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.170
  • Which is that I've made mistakes.
  • 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:26.160
  • And that I have learned from those mistakes.
  • 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.220
  • And I have had the space to learn from those mistakes,
  • 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:32.110
  • without the weight of shame,
  • 00:29:32.110 --> 00:29:34.160
  • because of the love that I have been surrounded by.
  • 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.240
  • And the belief that I have.
  • 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.190
  • And the belief that others have in me to keep going.
  • 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:41.110
  • And to be able to be on the receiving end of that
  • 00:29:41.110 --> 00:29:44.070
  • is humbling and you feel the power of it.
  • 00:29:44.070 --> 00:29:46.210
  • And then to be in the position to give that.
  • 00:29:46.210 --> 00:29:49.230
  • Feels wonderful as well.
  • 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.090
  • - Ultimately how does this conversation
  • 00:29:51.090 --> 00:29:55.020
  • that this piece has been a part of.
  • 00:29:55.020 --> 00:29:56.280
  • What do you want to say?
  • 00:29:56.280 --> 00:29:58.120
  • What do you want to say about this film, final thoughts.
  • 00:29:58.120 --> 00:30:00.080
  • - As we're sitting here talking, I feel this energy.
  • 00:30:01.230 --> 00:30:03.250
  • You know I feel excited.
  • 00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:05.170
  • I feel excited for people to see it.
  • 00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:07.040
  • I'm excited to meet people like you.
  • 00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:08.270
  • Who come from a completely different background
  • 00:30:08.270 --> 00:30:10.250
  • from me that I don't know about, you know.
  • 00:30:10.250 --> 00:30:12.280
  • Film brings me all over the world,
  • 00:30:12.280 --> 00:30:14.230
  • to meet so many different people,
  • 00:30:14.230 --> 00:30:16.010
  • so I'm used to that type of intimacy.
  • 00:30:16.010 --> 00:30:17.260
  • It is part of what I crave in my life.
  • 00:30:17.260 --> 00:30:20.010
  • Is the intimacy of getting to know people
  • 00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:21.260
  • that live something different from me.
  • 00:30:21.260 --> 00:30:24.080
  • And I get to play characters that are different from me.
  • 00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:26.100
  • And so for me film is like
  • 00:30:26.100 --> 00:30:28.060
  • the opportunity to dive into those different worlds.
  • 00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:31.180
  • And so for other people to be able to dive
  • 00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:34.170
  • into this world and to have conversations about it,
  • 00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:37.030
  • I'm just so excited to hear what people have to say,
  • 00:30:37.030 --> 00:30:39.200
  • and more importantly what they do.
  • 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.230
  • - Karan final thoughts?
  • 00:30:41.230 --> 00:30:42.240
  • You got a few more seconds here.
  • 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.110
  • - Yeah, I'm encouraged by the opportunity
  • 00:30:45.110 --> 00:30:48.150
  • to share experiences of a system impacted all around
  • 00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:53.090
  • so of course we look at Walter McMillian,
  • 00:30:53.090 --> 00:30:55.210
  • but he has an entire family,
  • 00:30:55.210 --> 00:30:57.000
  • and an entire community who are also impacted
  • 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.150
  • by what is happening in his life.
  • 00:31:00.150 --> 00:31:02.070
  • And I think that the opportunity to share that
  • 00:31:02.070 --> 00:31:04.280
  • to see them,
  • 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.070
  • to understand them.
  • 00:31:08.070 --> 00:31:09.140
  • Hopefully will lead us to begin a conversation
  • 00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:12.080
  • of how to care and serve for them as well.
  • 00:31:12.080 --> 00:31:14.280
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:18.040
  • - Herb you okay?
  • 00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:18.280
  • - They set my date.
  • 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:23.050
  • - Look it here, don't you worry about nothin,
  • 00:31:30.060 --> 00:31:32.040
  • now everything gonna be all right, okay.
  • 00:31:32.040 --> 00:31:34.280
  • Ain't nothin over yet.
  • 00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:36.160
  • You got brown working for you now.
  • 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.110
  • - I ain't like you guys,
  • 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.000
  • I deserve what's coming.
  • 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.030
  • - And you fought for this country,
  • 00:31:46.270 --> 00:31:48.280
  • that war made you sick in your head man.
  • 00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:51.100
  • You supposed to be in a hospital.
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  • Not here.
  • 00:31:54.290 --> 00:31:56.120
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:57.240
  • - Okay Rob we'll start with you.
  • 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.020
  • This picture is kind of opening a conversation I think.
  • 00:32:00.020 --> 00:32:05.020
  • What is the conversation that needs to happen?
  • 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.060
  • That this movie is really introducing in a large scale way.
  • 00:32:09.060 --> 00:32:13.150
  • - I feel the conversation that needs to happen is
  • 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:16.140
  • people that take in the movie ask themselves
  • 00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.270
  • what are they willing to tolerate.
  • 00:32:18.270 --> 00:32:21.010
  • And what are they willing to do.
  • 00:32:21.010 --> 00:32:23.020
  • If they really are,
  • 00:32:23.020 --> 00:32:26.250
  • not tolerating the injustices in our justice system.
  • 00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:31.110
  • I think that conversation needs to start.
  • 00:32:31.110 --> 00:32:34.080
  • - What do you have to say about that?
  • 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:36.060
  • What do you want to say in regard to
  • 00:32:36.060 --> 00:32:37.260
  • your participation, this film , and this subject.
  • 00:32:37.260 --> 00:32:41.050
  • Here we are.
  • 00:32:41.050 --> 00:32:42.000
  • - What I want to say about it man,
  • 00:32:43.050 --> 00:32:44.190
  • is I'm glad that I had an opportunity
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  • to be in the film.
  • 00:32:46.290 --> 00:32:47.280
  • I am excited that the film is being received
  • 00:32:49.040 --> 00:32:53.020
  • in the way that it is.
  • 00:32:53.020 --> 00:32:55.030
  • I've already had conversations with people
  • 00:32:55.030 --> 00:32:56.280
  • talking about improving it in their school programs.
  • 00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:59.170
  • - Wow.
  • 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:00.230
  • - I've already talked to people that
  • 00:33:00.230 --> 00:33:01.290
  • said they see the death penalty
  • 00:33:01.290 --> 00:33:04.040
  • in a whole nother light.
  • 00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:05.100
  • That they'd actually change their whole attitude
  • 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.160
  • towards the capital punishment.
  • 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.070
  • I'm just happy to be a part of something
  • 00:33:13.070 --> 00:33:14.220
  • that's so necessary as an artist.
  • 00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:16.220
  • Because these kinds of films are rarely if at all made.
  • 00:33:18.060 --> 00:33:21.070
  • I feel like this is one a million opportunities
  • 00:33:22.150 --> 00:33:25.220
  • to really use my voice, my presence, my talent
  • 00:33:25.220 --> 00:33:30.200
  • in a form of good through art, so yeah.
  • 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.200
  • - Same question Tim just your thoughts on the bigger
  • 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:37.150
  • picture of what the film is opening the conversation about.
  • 00:33:37.150 --> 00:33:41.120
  • - Well this movie works on all sorts of different levels.
  • 00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:46.120
  • First and foremost it examines the injustice
  • 00:33:49.030 --> 00:33:53.140
  • inherent in our so called justice system.
  • 00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:57.090
  • And how the disenfranchised don't get their fair shake.
  • 00:33:57.090 --> 00:34:02.110
  • And to quote Bryan Stevenson,
  • 00:34:03.190 --> 00:34:05.200
  • "It's better to be rich and guilty
  • 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.110
  • "in this country than it is
  • 00:34:09.110 --> 00:34:10.210
  • "to be poor and innocent."
  • 00:34:10.210 --> 00:34:12.100
  • And that's simply wrong.
  • 00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:13.210
  • Why does that happen?
  • 00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:15.080
  • Because the system that guarantees
  • 00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:18.250
  • everyone representation,
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  • when they're accused.
  • 00:34:20.180 --> 00:34:22.130
  • Is simply too stressed.
  • 00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:24.070
  • The disenfranchised don't get proper legal representation.
  • 00:34:25.290 --> 00:34:30.020
  • And this movie is addressing that.
  • 00:34:30.020 --> 00:34:33.100
  • It's addressing the fact that for every
  • 00:34:33.100 --> 00:34:35.040
  • nine people executed in this country,
  • 00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:39.080
  • one is innocent.
  • 00:34:39.080 --> 00:34:41.140
  • That's simply unacceptable.
  • 00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:44.110
  • And then there's the larger issue,
  • 00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:46.110
  • in a Christian country, which we are.
  • 00:34:46.110 --> 00:34:50.030
  • I know there's a separation of church and state,
  • 00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:53.020
  • but we are largely a Christian country.
  • 00:34:53.020 --> 00:34:56.020
  • A religion that's all about love and forgiveness.
  • 00:34:56.020 --> 00:35:00.060
  • We still in the United States
  • 00:35:00.060 --> 00:35:02.240
  • allow for the retribution of killing people,
  • 00:35:02.240 --> 00:35:07.240
  • because they've committed a capital crime.
  • 00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:10.180
  • And that is just on the face of it, hypocritical.
  • 00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:15.020
  • We're murdering with premeditation,
  • 00:35:15.020 --> 00:35:20.020
  • to tell people you shouldn't
  • 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.170
  • commit premeditated murder.
  • 00:35:22.170 --> 00:35:24.080
  • Because the death penalty is premeditated murder.
  • 00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:28.190
  • It's scheduled.
  • 00:35:28.190 --> 00:35:30.030
  • Devices are built to make it happen.
  • 00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:33.280
  • It's done as efficiently as possible.
  • 00:35:34.290 --> 00:35:37.230
  • That's all premeditation.
  • 00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:40.020
  • And we're doing that to try and dissuade
  • 00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:45.020
  • people from committing premeditated murder.
  • 00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:49.100
  • I'm sorry that really makes no sense.
  • 00:35:49.100 --> 00:35:53.210
  • And all you have to do is,
  • 00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:55.150
  • you don't have to go back to,
  • 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:56.290
  • make a theological argument about that,
  • 00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:00.220
  • all you have to do is go back
  • 00:36:00.220 --> 00:36:02.140
  • and make a philosophical argument about that.
  • 00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:06.090
  • And it's a utter contradiction.
  • 00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:08.080
  • Why are we still doing that in this country?
  • 00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:10.280
  • And look at what it's doing
  • 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.230
  • not just to the people we kill
  • 00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:16.160
  • but to their families,
  • 00:36:17.140 --> 00:36:19.210
  • and also to us, doing the killing.
  • 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:22.210
  • - Tim for those who haven't seen the movie yet,
  • 00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:27.080
  • we're talking about social justice.
  • 00:36:27.080 --> 00:36:29.120
  • Were you that aware before you read the script,
  • 00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:34.170
  • before you got involved in this.
  • 00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.010
  • Or is this kind of a revelation to you as well.
  • 00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:38.160
  • - It was more revelation than not.
  • 00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:41.200
  • And I say that with some measure of shame.
  • 00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:44.150
  • Because I was aware of Bryan Stevenson
  • 00:36:46.130 --> 00:36:50.010
  • and his work, from having heard an interview on NPR.
  • 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:53.180
  • But it took doing this movie really to,
  • 00:36:53.180 --> 00:36:57.150
  • animate my own sensitivity,
  • 00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:04.050
  • to these injustices.
  • 00:37:04.270 --> 00:37:07.210
  • And I'm not proud of that.
  • 00:37:07.210 --> 00:37:09.110
  • But you've got to get beyond your shame
  • 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:14.200
  • and try and do something about it.
  • 00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:16.140
  • And I think that sadly,
  • 00:37:16.140 --> 00:37:18.190
  • a lot of people are going to have a similar experience,
  • 00:37:18.190 --> 00:37:21.150
  • when they see this movie.
  • 00:37:21.150 --> 00:37:22.220
  • And they're gonna say,
  • 00:37:22.220 --> 00:37:24.090
  • I thought I understood,
  • 00:37:24.090 --> 00:37:25.220
  • but I didn't,
  • 00:37:25.220 --> 00:37:26.240
  • realize how nefarious this system is.
  • 00:37:28.200 --> 00:37:33.180
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:37:34.060 --> 00:37:35.190
  • - Can we start by talking about your testimony
  • 00:37:35.190 --> 00:37:37.110
  • against Johnny D.?
  • 00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.110
  • - No.
  • 00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:40.120
  • - That's the only reason why I'm here.
  • 00:37:41.210 --> 00:37:43.190
  • - You don't like it leave.
  • 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:45.080
  • Don't look so sad we can talk about other things.
  • 00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:49.110
  • I love to talk.
  • 00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:51.090
  • - How long you been married?
  • 00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:52.270
  • - Long enough to pop out a couple kids.
  • 00:37:52.270 --> 00:37:54.230
  • Ma turned 'em all against me.
  • 00:37:54.230 --> 00:37:57.050
  • You got kids?
  • 00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:58.180
  • - Me no.
  • 00:37:58.180 --> 00:38:00.120
  • But Johnny D. does.
  • 00:38:00.120 --> 00:38:02.010
  • - How many kids he got?
  • 00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:05.160
  • - Johnny D., has three.
  • 00:38:06.190 --> 00:38:07.240
  • Mr. Myers I know you made a deal with the state.
  • 00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:13.130
  • But I don't think they told you Johnny D.
  • 00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:14.280
  • was gonna die because of it.
  • 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.290
  • That must not be an easy thing to carry.
  • 00:38:16.290 --> 00:38:18.290
  • And I'm hoping there's a part of you
  • 00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:21.080
  • that wants to make things right.
  • 00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:23.000
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.050
  • - The role you played in particular.
  • 00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:25.290
  • Oh my gosh the absolute absurdity of that situation.
  • 00:38:27.110 --> 00:38:31.250
  • Your whole case was built upon that.
  • 00:38:32.290 --> 00:38:34.130
  • When you read that, what was your awareness?
  • 00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:36.290
  • What did that do for you?
  • 00:38:36.290 --> 00:38:38.120
  • Well I grew up in Oklahoma.
  • 00:38:38.120 --> 00:38:40.200
  • I didn't grow up poor myself.
  • 00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:46.290
  • I would call my upbringing privileged actually.
  • 00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:49.280
  • But I certainly...
  • 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.130
  • Because I had really good parents,
  • 00:38:53.130 --> 00:38:55.230
  • and they didn't entirely shelter us,
  • 00:38:55.230 --> 00:38:59.020
  • and put us in a bubble.
  • 00:38:59.020 --> 00:39:00.220
  • I was exposed to all sorts of different people.
  • 00:39:00.220 --> 00:39:03.210
  • And I had a inkling of the way that
  • 00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:07.200
  • the system in the United States,
  • 00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:10.210
  • uses poor whites,
  • 00:39:10.210 --> 00:39:12.150
  • to help implicate poor blacks.
  • 00:39:15.220 --> 00:39:20.050
  • It turns poor against poor.
  • 00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:22.250
  • Based on race, in this awful
  • 00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:27.180
  • subjugating, pecking order.
  • 00:39:27.180 --> 00:39:30.070
  • And it took this movie really to drive that home for me.
  • 00:39:30.070 --> 00:39:34.150
  • Really getting inside of this character.
  • 00:39:34.150 --> 00:39:37.040
  • And understanding how he's completely exploited.
  • 00:39:37.040 --> 00:39:41.230
  • Based on his deepest fears
  • 00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:43.200
  • that harken back to tragedies in his life.
  • 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:47.020
  • To put this man on death row
  • 00:39:48.210 --> 00:39:51.060
  • who doesn't deserve to be.
  • 00:39:51.060 --> 00:39:52.180
  • And they basically turn Ralph Myers,
  • 00:39:54.180 --> 00:39:56.230
  • our poor white guy, into a murderer.
  • 00:39:56.230 --> 00:39:59.260
  • And that was pretty striking to play.
  • 00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:04.050
  • And it was a real learning experience for me
  • 00:40:04.050 --> 00:40:06.230
  • and again I've got to thank Bryan Stevenson.
  • 00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:10.040
  • For pointing that out in his book
  • 00:40:11.090 --> 00:40:12.250
  • so that Destin Daniel Cretton could put it in his movie.
  • 00:40:12.250 --> 00:40:17.070
  • - Beautiful.
  • 00:40:17.070 --> 00:40:18.210
  • - Well we've just come from Bryan Stevenson
  • 00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:20.280
  • we had a time of talking with him.
  • 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.240
  • He understands the bigger picture,
  • 00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:27.030
  • we're putting together a Primetime Special on this subject.
  • 00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:29.260
  • And his family watched T.V. and as he grew up
  • 00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:32.120
  • and he was very familiar with our network.
  • 00:40:32.120 --> 00:40:35.010
  • The movie basically, what we got informed by Bryan
  • 00:40:36.140 --> 00:40:39.030
  • was this comes right out of Micah six,
  • 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:41.070
  • in the Old Testament.
  • 00:40:41.070 --> 00:40:42.250
  • What does the Lord require of you to
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:45.110
  • basically to do justice.
  • 00:40:45.110 --> 00:40:47.050
  • To love mercy and walk humbly.
  • 00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:49.060
  • That's the theme of what this film is.
  • 00:40:49.060 --> 00:40:52.250
  • How did that connect to you personally.
  • 00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:55.080
  • - Oh man personally, being a black man in America,
  • 00:40:56.210 --> 00:40:59.200
  • and being pulled over by police for no reason,
  • 00:40:59.200 --> 00:41:02.260
  • and having guns put in my face for no reason.
  • 00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:06.150
  • You know just having all kinds
  • 00:41:06.150 --> 00:41:09.180
  • of oppressive attitudes towards me
  • 00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:11.170
  • just for being there,
  • 00:41:11.170 --> 00:41:12.270
  • being the loving black man that I am,
  • 00:41:12.270 --> 00:41:14.270
  • but nobody ever ask me, how do you feel.
  • 00:41:14.270 --> 00:41:18.040
  • What is really going on in your life?
  • 00:41:18.040 --> 00:41:20.040
  • How can I help you?
  • 00:41:20.040 --> 00:41:21.120
  • Right, ever.
  • 00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:23.280
  • To play this character there was a moment when
  • 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.050
  • right before he's getting ready to go get executed,
  • 00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:30.050
  • he tells Michael B. Jordan's character,
  • 00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:32.080
  • who's playing Bryan Stevenson.
  • 00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:34.030
  • He says, "Wow you know, out of all these years
  • 00:41:34.030 --> 00:41:36.150
  • "in my life nobody's ever asked me until today
  • 00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:39.150
  • "how much they can really help me."
  • 00:41:39.150 --> 00:41:41.050
  • - Yeah, what can I do for you.
  • 00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:42.100
  • - What can I do for you.
  • 00:41:42.100 --> 00:41:43.260
  • Like what can I do for you.
  • 00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.080
  • And that was just a real powerful moment for me to play.
  • 00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:49.040
  • And it actually hit home for me at the time.
  • 00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:51.270
  • And me thinking, who's actually asked me
  • 00:41:51.270 --> 00:41:54.040
  • what can they do for me, ya know.
  • 00:41:54.040 --> 00:41:55.270
  • But then we're conditioned that
  • 00:41:55.270 --> 00:41:58.050
  • that's just our existence.
  • 00:41:58.050 --> 00:41:59.230
  • We're conditioned that, you know what,
  • 00:41:59.230 --> 00:42:01.270
  • that's just how it is, in the world.
  • 00:42:01.270 --> 00:42:03.130
  • You just suck it up and keep going.
  • 00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:05.080
  • You know what I mean.
  • 00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:06.090
  • I was thankful to be able to play Herbert Richardson,
  • 00:42:07.220 --> 00:42:11.000
  • and give him some voice so that the person
  • 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.010
  • who would have that attitude,
  • 00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:16.130
  • to suck it up and just keep going
  • 00:42:16.130 --> 00:42:18.150
  • when they can see this character play out
  • 00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:21.190
  • and see the circumstances that he comes from.
  • 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:24.140
  • Will they ask themself,
  • 00:42:24.140 --> 00:42:26.160
  • should he just suck it up and keep going.
  • 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:29.050
  • You see what I'm sayin? - Yeah.
  • 00:42:29.050 --> 00:42:30.210
  • - And ask themselves am I willing to tolerate that?
  • 00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:32.260
  • Or ask themselves is he worthy of that kind of punishment.
  • 00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:36.180
  • - We got the wind-up thing.
  • 00:42:36.180 --> 00:42:37.280
  • Just wanna give you the final thought.
  • 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.170
  • - Final thought, go see "Just Mercy".
  • 00:42:40.170 --> 00:42:42.240
  • Start from where you are and do something about it.
  • 00:42:44.070 --> 00:42:46.090
  • - [Interviewer] Beautiful, thanks guys.
  • 00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:48.070
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:49.210
  • - I am really serious about trying to understand
  • 00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:51.240
  • what it means to love mercy and to do justice.
  • 00:42:51.240 --> 00:42:56.030
  • And I think that means that there's some work
  • 00:42:56.030 --> 00:42:58.110
  • that has to happen, in this country.
  • 00:42:58.110 --> 00:43:01.040
  • We have the highest rate of incarceration in the world .
  • 00:43:01.040 --> 00:43:04.230
  • We have six million people on probation and parole.
  • 00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:07.240
  • We have a really extreme punitive system.
  • 00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:11.260
  • And I often see a absence of mercy.
  • 00:43:11.260 --> 00:43:13.190
  • I represent people who are serving life sentences
  • 00:43:13.190 --> 00:43:15.250
  • for writing a bad check of 50 dollars.
  • 00:43:15.250 --> 00:43:17.240
  • I represent children, nine and 10 years old
  • 00:43:17.240 --> 00:43:20.270
  • facing 50 and 60 year prison sentences.
  • 00:43:20.270 --> 00:43:24.050
  • I've met people condemned on death row.
  • 00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:26.250
  • For crimes they didn't commit.
  • 00:43:26.250 --> 00:43:29.010
  • And I'm mindful that, that's not just.
  • 00:43:29.010 --> 00:43:32.110
  • So I feel a requirement to respond to that.
  • 00:43:32.110 --> 00:43:36.090
  • I think that we have to do better.
  • 00:43:36.090 --> 00:43:39.200
  • We had this epidemic of drug addiction,
  • 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:42.250
  • and drug dependency in the 1970's and 80's.
  • 00:43:42.250 --> 00:43:45.040
  • And our elected officials said that those people
  • 00:43:45.040 --> 00:43:47.250
  • who were drug addicted, and drug dependent
  • 00:43:47.250 --> 00:43:49.070
  • they're criminals. - Right
  • 00:43:49.070 --> 00:43:50.220
  • - And we're gonna use the Criminal Justice system
  • 00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:51.270
  • to respond to that problem.
  • 00:43:51.270 --> 00:43:53.130
  • We could have said, those people have a health need.
  • 00:43:53.130 --> 00:43:56.110
  • And we need our healthcare system.
  • 00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:57.210
  • We need communities of faith.
  • 00:43:57.210 --> 00:43:59.070
  • We need strong people to wrap their arms around these folks.
  • 00:43:59.070 --> 00:44:03.070
  • And help them recover.
  • 00:44:03.070 --> 00:44:05.110
  • And so for me this film,
  • 00:44:05.110 --> 00:44:07.160
  • is about standing against,
  • 00:44:07.160 --> 00:44:10.010
  • narratives of fear and anger.
  • 00:44:10.010 --> 00:44:11.280
  • I think in too many places across the world,
  • 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.010
  • we've been governed by fear and anger.
  • 00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:15.140
  • We've had politicians who want us to act
  • 00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:17.080
  • and think out of fear, and out of anger.
  • 00:44:17.080 --> 00:44:20.080
  • And I believe that there has to be a community call
  • 00:44:20.080 --> 00:44:23.110
  • to stand against those things.
  • 00:44:23.110 --> 00:44:24.180
  • Because fear and anger,
  • 00:44:24.180 --> 00:44:25.250
  • will allow you to tolerate things
  • 00:44:25.250 --> 00:44:27.100
  • that you should never tolerate.
  • 00:44:27.100 --> 00:44:28.210
  • And allow you to accept things
  • 00:44:28.210 --> 00:44:30.010
  • you should never accept.
  • 00:44:30.010 --> 00:44:31.240
  • There have been times when the church
  • 00:44:31.240 --> 00:44:33.200
  • was distracted by the politics of fear and anger.
  • 00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:36.260
  • And didn't respond to inequality
  • 00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:38.200
  • and injustice, and racism, and bigotry
  • 00:44:38.200 --> 00:44:40.250
  • the way that it could have.
  • 00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:42.200
  • And I believe that there have to be people calling
  • 00:44:42.200 --> 00:44:45.230
  • our communities, our beloved
  • 00:44:45.230 --> 00:44:48.090
  • to not give into that.
  • 00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:49.270
  • And for me that's, what's happening in America right now.
  • 00:44:49.270 --> 00:44:52.290
  • This is a time of recovery from this era
  • 00:44:52.290 --> 00:44:57.130
  • of mass incarceration.
  • 00:44:57.130 --> 00:44:58.210
  • Of extreme punishment, of no mercy.
  • 00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:01.190
  • And I believe there's a critical role for people of faith.
  • 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:04.190
  • I'm encouraged that it's become bi-partisan.
  • 00:45:04.190 --> 00:45:06.270
  • You have people in both political parties
  • 00:45:06.270 --> 00:45:08.110
  • who now acknowledge that we have
  • 00:45:08.110 --> 00:45:09.240
  • too many people in jails and prisons.
  • 00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:12.120
  • That we're not doing what we should be doing,
  • 00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:14.230
  • if we're trying to love mercy.
  • 00:45:14.230 --> 00:45:17.280
  • If we're going to hold that up.
  • 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.090
  • I just see too much hatred and bigotry.
  • 00:45:19.090 --> 00:45:24.050
  • And to overcome that we have to
  • 00:45:24.050 --> 00:45:26.050
  • bring something into this conversation
  • 00:45:26.050 --> 00:45:28.040
  • that we haven't had.
  • 00:45:28.040 --> 00:45:29.110
  • And so I am looking to communities of faith
  • 00:45:29.110 --> 00:45:31.020
  • to respond, to stand up.
  • 00:45:31.020 --> 00:45:32.220
  • There's so many people I meet and work with
  • 00:45:32.220 --> 00:45:34.200
  • who have been broken by poverty,
  • 00:45:34.200 --> 00:45:37.120
  • and despair, and mental illness.
  • 00:45:37.120 --> 00:45:39.040
  • Who have been broken by trauma,
  • 00:45:39.040 --> 00:45:40.130
  • and exclusion, and neglect.
  • 00:45:40.130 --> 00:45:42.240
  • And they're looking for ways forward.
  • 00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:44.230
  • And I believe that there are a lot of us
  • 00:45:44.230 --> 00:45:46.140
  • who have a way forward,
  • 00:45:46.140 --> 00:45:47.230
  • that haven't engaged with this population.
  • 00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:49.180
  • And I hope this film will bring them in.
  • 00:45:49.180 --> 00:45:52.030
  • Will invite them to see this as a important conversation.
  • 00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:54.290
  • For us to not only be active in,
  • 00:45:56.040 --> 00:45:58.230
  • but leading in a lot of ways.
  • 00:45:58.230 --> 00:46:00.250
  • - That's beautiful, first of all thank you
  • 00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:02.060
  • for opening this conversation.
  • 00:46:02.060 --> 00:46:03.220
  • - Absolutely.
  • 00:46:03.220 --> 00:46:05.060
  • - And we're glad to be we're to be a part of it.
  • 00:46:05.060 --> 00:46:08.050
  • - Bryan you're a smart guy.
  • 00:46:09.100 --> 00:46:11.100
  • You're a Harvard law grad.
  • 00:46:11.100 --> 00:46:13.050
  • How did this hit you?
  • 00:46:15.140 --> 00:46:16.190
  • Why did this become your mission?
  • 00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:18.020
  • How did that happen?
  • 00:46:18.020 --> 00:46:19.100
  • - Well you know I grew up in a poor,
  • 00:46:19.100 --> 00:46:20.230
  • racially segregated community.
  • 00:46:20.230 --> 00:46:23.000
  • I'm a product of Brown vs. Board of Education.
  • 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.100
  • I started my education in a colored school.
  • 00:46:25.100 --> 00:46:28.070
  • And lawyers came in and made them open up
  • 00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:30.250
  • the public schools.
  • 00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:32.010
  • And that's how I got to high school.
  • 00:46:32.010 --> 00:46:33.070
  • There were no high schools for teenagers,
  • 00:46:33.070 --> 00:46:34.290
  • when my dad was a teen.
  • 00:46:34.290 --> 00:46:37.020
  • For black people when my dad was a teen.
  • 00:46:37.020 --> 00:46:39.190
  • I understood the power of the law,
  • 00:46:39.190 --> 00:46:42.150
  • to advance opportunities, to open up doors.
  • 00:46:42.150 --> 00:46:45.240
  • And I wanted to use that power for the disfavored.
  • 00:46:45.240 --> 00:46:49.020
  • For the neglected.
  • 00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:50.160
  • My great-grandparents were enslaved in Virginia.
  • 00:46:50.160 --> 00:46:53.080
  • But despite slavery my great-grandfather
  • 00:46:53.080 --> 00:46:55.180
  • learned how to read because
  • 00:46:55.180 --> 00:46:56.250
  • he believed one day he would be free.
  • 00:46:56.250 --> 00:46:58.140
  • He has deep faith.
  • 00:46:58.140 --> 00:47:00.140
  • Deep convictions.
  • 00:47:00.140 --> 00:47:01.220
  • He didn't believe that he would die enslaved.
  • 00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:03.180
  • And that motivated him to do these things,
  • 00:47:03.180 --> 00:47:05.230
  • and he gave that faith and that desire for education
  • 00:47:05.230 --> 00:47:09.080
  • to my grandmother.
  • 00:47:09.080 --> 00:47:10.220
  • And she gave it to my mother, and we were poor.
  • 00:47:10.220 --> 00:47:12.210
  • But my mom went into debt to buy the
  • 00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:14.250
  • World Book Encyclopedia so we would have a portal
  • 00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:17.220
  • to look at a broader world.
  • 00:47:17.220 --> 00:47:19.060
  • And I think about the kind of hope that required.
  • 00:47:19.060 --> 00:47:21.200
  • The kind of love that required.
  • 00:47:21.200 --> 00:47:23.030
  • And I'm gonna honor that hope.
  • 00:47:23.030 --> 00:47:25.100
  • I'm gonna honor that love.
  • 00:47:25.100 --> 00:47:27.100
  • And so that's what got me into this work.
  • 00:47:27.100 --> 00:47:29.170
  • We have people on death row
  • 00:47:29.170 --> 00:47:30.250
  • who are literally dying for legal assistance.
  • 00:47:30.250 --> 00:47:33.100
  • There is so much despair.
  • 00:47:33.100 --> 00:47:35.190
  • I just feel that I am called to respond to that.
  • 00:47:37.010 --> 00:47:40.180
  • I believe that hopelessness is the enemy of justice.
  • 00:47:40.180 --> 00:47:42.290
  • And justice prevails where hopelessness persists.
  • 00:47:42.290 --> 00:47:46.250
  • And you have to be willing to believe things
  • 00:47:46.250 --> 00:47:49.130
  • that you haven't seen.
  • 00:47:49.130 --> 00:47:50.260
  • To do the kind of work that I do.
  • 00:47:50.260 --> 00:47:52.040
  • I mean I went to Harvard Law School,
  • 00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:53.180
  • but I never met a lawyer
  • 00:47:53.180 --> 00:47:54.270
  • until I got to Law school.
  • 00:47:54.270 --> 00:47:56.020
  • - My goodness, wow.
  • 00:47:56.020 --> 00:47:57.010
  • - And so I have this hope
  • 00:47:58.270 --> 00:48:00.220
  • I have this conviction, I have this belief.
  • 00:48:00.220 --> 00:48:03.130
  • That we can accomplish something that feels more
  • 00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:05.100
  • like freedom, that feels more like justice,
  • 00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:07.230
  • that feels more like community,
  • 00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:10.040
  • than what we often see in the places where we live.
  • 00:48:10.040 --> 00:48:12.280
  • But to get there, we're going to have to stand up,
  • 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:16.250
  • even when people say sit down.
  • 00:48:16.250 --> 00:48:18.090
  • We're going to have speak even when people say be quiet.
  • 00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:21.020
  • And it's challenging doing the work that I do.
  • 00:48:21.020 --> 00:48:23.260
  • Because a lot of people who don't want me
  • 00:48:23.260 --> 00:48:26.230
  • to advocate for the poor, the accused,
  • 00:48:26.230 --> 00:48:28.270
  • or the condemned, or the disfavored.
  • 00:48:28.270 --> 00:48:30.250
  • I think I am called to do that
  • 00:48:30.250 --> 00:48:32.220
  • but you know it's a hard thing.
  • 00:48:32.220 --> 00:48:34.110
  • And I live in Montgomery, Alabama
  • 00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:36.040
  • and it can be challenging.
  • 00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:38.000
  • But it's also inspiring to live there.
  • 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.050
  • Cause I am standing on the shoulders
  • 00:48:40.050 --> 00:48:41.250
  • of people who did so much more with so much less.
  • 00:48:41.250 --> 00:48:45.040
  • I'm standing with people who 60 years ago
  • 00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:49.120
  • doing what I did, had to frequently say
  • 00:48:49.120 --> 00:48:51.220
  • my head is bloodied but not bowed.
  • 00:48:51.220 --> 00:48:53.190
  • It was nothing but faith and courage that got them
  • 00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:56.270
  • to fight for a better America.
  • 00:48:56.270 --> 00:48:59.120
  • For a better community.
  • 00:48:59.120 --> 00:49:01.080
  • And I want to honor that.
  • 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:04.080
  • I want to embrace that.
  • 00:49:04.080 --> 00:49:06.060
  • I just think that we have a new opportunity
  • 00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:10.010
  • in this country to really get involved.
  • 00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:11.230
  • There are thousands of people coming out
  • 00:49:11.230 --> 00:49:13.100
  • of jails and prisons today that are looking for hope.
  • 00:49:13.100 --> 00:49:16.030
  • There are tens of thousands of people
  • 00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:18.000
  • who have been told their lives have no meaning,
  • 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.030
  • and purpose, or value.
  • 00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:23.080
  • And we cannot, for me as people of faith
  • 00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:26.210
  • be silent when lives are being thrown away like that.
  • 00:49:26.210 --> 00:49:29.190
  • We have to stand up.
  • 00:49:29.190 --> 00:49:30.170
  • We have to step in.
  • 00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:31.200
  • We have to do justice.
  • 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:32.230
  • We have to love mercy.
  • 00:49:32.230 --> 00:49:34.110
  • And that's how I think we walk humbly with God.
  • 00:49:34.110 --> 00:49:37.030
  • - So the viewers of TBN are in support
  • 00:49:37.030 --> 00:49:40.270
  • of this concept.
  • 00:49:40.270 --> 00:49:43.040
  • Your Old Testament reference to Micah.
  • 00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:47.070
  • The disciples asked Jesus what's the greatest commandment.
  • 00:49:47.070 --> 00:49:49.230
  • To love God with all your heart.
  • 00:49:49.230 --> 00:49:51.050
  • - Yeah. - Love your neighbors yourself
  • 00:49:51.050 --> 00:49:53.120
  • In your final thoughts you were telling me off camera
  • 00:49:53.120 --> 00:49:55.160
  • about your families involvement
  • 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:57.190
  • in viewing TBN. - Sure, sure.
  • 00:49:57.190 --> 00:49:59.080
  • I mean you know...
  • 00:50:09.050 --> 00:50:10.110
  • It was the church.
  • 00:50:10.110 --> 00:50:11.090
  • It was the only place where,
  • 00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:13.020
  • when I was growing up,
  • 00:50:13.020 --> 00:50:14.160
  • there was an opportunity to grow, and be heard, and be seen.
  • 00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:17.010
  • That's what shaped my work.
  • 00:50:18.260 --> 00:50:20.110
  • I mean I really believe that each of us
  • 00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:22.170
  • is more than the worst thing we've ever done.
  • 00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:24.180
  • I don't think that if somebody tells a lie
  • 00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:26.080
  • they're just a liar.
  • 00:50:26.080 --> 00:50:27.170
  • I don't think if somebody takes something
  • 00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:29.130
  • they're just a thief.
  • 00:50:29.130 --> 00:50:30.210
  • I think even if you kill somebody
  • 00:50:30.210 --> 00:50:31.200
  • you're not just a killer.
  • 00:50:31.200 --> 00:50:33.160
  • We all have this potential for grace,
  • 00:50:33.160 --> 00:50:36.000
  • and redemption, and mercy.
  • 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.120
  • And I just think that's what the Gospel's are about.
  • 00:50:38.120 --> 00:50:40.290
  • It's actually standing in front of those
  • 00:50:40.290 --> 00:50:43.050
  • who would be condemned.
  • 00:50:43.050 --> 00:50:44.000
  • Jesus said,
  • 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.080
  • "Let hence without sin cast the first stone."
  • 00:50:45.080 --> 00:50:47.120
  • And that kind of humbled,
  • 00:50:47.120 --> 00:50:50.030
  • that convicted the people of his time.
  • 00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:52.090
  • Today the Scripture is still there.
  • 00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:54.130
  • But I actually see people picking up and throwing stones.
  • 00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:57.080
  • And so I think there has to be a community of people,
  • 00:50:57.080 --> 00:50:59.200
  • prepared to stand in the way.
  • 00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.270
  • To be stone catchers.
  • 00:51:01.270 --> 00:51:03.170
  • And that's what I see this work as
  • 00:51:03.170 --> 00:51:05.030
  • is actually advocating, standing up
  • 00:51:05.030 --> 00:51:08.000
  • on behalf of people who have been
  • 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:09.150
  • condemned and disfavored.
  • 00:51:09.150 --> 00:51:11.030
  • And continuing to believe that their lives
  • 00:51:11.030 --> 00:51:13.070
  • have the potential for redemption and mercy.
  • 00:51:13.070 --> 00:51:15.210
  • And that's what I'm hoping people take away from the film.
  • 00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:19.030
  • We have a character in the film
  • 00:51:19.030 --> 00:51:20.250
  • who is not someone who is innocent.
  • 00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:23.220
  • But their life still have value and meaning.
  • 00:51:23.220 --> 00:51:26.010
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:51:26.010 --> 00:51:27.060
  • - I didn't mean to kill nobody.
  • 00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:29.240
  • I think they're gonna set my execution soon.
  • 00:51:34.070 --> 00:51:39.060
  • Last lawyer said there ain't nothing left to do.
  • 00:51:40.190 --> 00:51:43.200
  • - There's always something that we can do.
  • 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.030
  • Whatever you did your life is still meaningful.
  • 00:51:50.150 --> 00:51:53.020
  • And I'm gonna do everything possible
  • 00:51:54.140 --> 00:51:55.260
  • to keep them from taking it.
  • 00:51:55.260 --> 00:51:57.080
  • (inhales deeply)
  • 00:52:04.010 --> 00:52:06.270
  • - Now tell me everything that happened.
  • 00:52:06.270 --> 00:52:10.020
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:52:10.020 --> 00:52:11.140
  • - And I wanted that scene is there
  • 00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:12.220
  • because I want people to understand
  • 00:52:12.220 --> 00:52:14.120
  • that we're called to serve all God's children.
  • 00:52:14.120 --> 00:52:17.070
  • I'm excited frankly that we have a tool now
  • 00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:21.260
  • that could perhaps engage people.
  • 00:52:21.260 --> 00:52:23.270
  • I spent the first 20 years of my career inside the courts.
  • 00:52:23.270 --> 00:52:27.060
  • I didn't come outside, it was very covert, underground.
  • 00:52:27.060 --> 00:52:30.110
  • And then I realized to create the kind of just world
  • 00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:32.220
  • that I believe we need,
  • 00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:34.030
  • I had to get outside the court.
  • 00:52:34.030 --> 00:52:35.110
  • And start talking more broadly.
  • 00:52:35.110 --> 00:52:36.230
  • - You got it. - Talking more publicly.
  • 00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:38.260
  • And that was the motivation for writing the book
  • 00:52:38.260 --> 00:52:40.170
  • it's the motivation behind this movie
  • 00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:42.030
  • and I'm just grateful that we have such talented
  • 00:52:42.030 --> 00:52:44.120
  • people who can tell this story
  • 00:52:44.120 --> 00:52:46.170
  • in a way that I hope it will engage millions of Americans.
  • 00:52:46.170 --> 00:52:48.220
  • - We've been told we're out of time but
  • 00:52:48.220 --> 00:52:50.090
  • just a invitation to the viewers of TBN,
  • 00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:52.180
  • to come see the film. - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:52:52.180 --> 00:52:54.050
  • Please, please.
  • 00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:55.130
  • I hope all of you come and see "Just Mercy".
  • 00:52:55.130 --> 00:52:57.120
  • I hope you'll come to our website after that.
  • 00:52:57.120 --> 00:52:59.090
  • I hope you'll look for ways to get involved.
  • 00:52:59.090 --> 00:53:01.120
  • - [Interviewer] Sure.
  • 00:53:01.120 --> 00:53:02.180
  • And I hope you'll involve your churches
  • 00:53:02.180 --> 00:53:04.000
  • and your faith communities to really respond
  • 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.090
  • to the urgency of this need to do more.
  • 00:53:05.090 --> 00:53:08.020
  • (camera beeps)
  • 00:53:08.020 --> 00:53:10.070
  • - You rich boy from Harvard,
  • 00:53:10.070 --> 00:53:11.130
  • you don't know what it is down here.
  • 00:53:11.130 --> 00:53:13.240
  • When you guilty from the moment you born.
  • 00:53:13.240 --> 00:53:16.040
  • And you can buddy up with these white folks
  • 00:53:19.080 --> 00:53:20.260
  • and make 'em laugh, and try to make them like you
  • 00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:23.060
  • whatever that is, and you say
  • 00:53:23.060 --> 00:53:24.130
  • yes sir, no ma'am but when it's your turn
  • 00:53:24.130 --> 00:53:25.280
  • they ain't got to have no fingerprints.
  • 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.270
  • No evidence.
  • 00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:30.090
  • And the only witness they got, made the whole thing up.
  • 00:53:31.210 --> 00:53:35.010
  • And none of that matter when all y'all think is,
  • 00:53:39.060 --> 00:53:41.130
  • is I look like a man who could kill somebody.
  • 00:53:41.130 --> 00:53:45.200
  • - But that's not what I think.
  • 00:53:47.270 --> 00:53:49.120
  • (inspirational music)
  • 00:53:50.190 --> 00:53:53.240
  • - Despite the fact that this story is not a contemporary one
  • 00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:05.120
  • Not much has changed since then.
  • 00:54:07.020 --> 00:54:09.120
  • A lot of these battles in particular regarding race
  • 00:54:09.120 --> 00:54:12.050
  • not just specifically in this area,
  • 00:54:12.050 --> 00:54:13.260
  • but across the board.
  • 00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:15.120
  • Are things that we're still struggling with to this day.
  • 00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:18.120
  • So I think having an understanding of the past,
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  • while being able to link it with the
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  • work that we can do in the future,
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  • is a really important tool to understand where
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  • we came from and where we're going to.
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  • And where we're stuck.
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  • Because we're obviously very stuck.
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  • Movies have an incredible way of uniting us with people
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  • that are different from us.
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  • So the idea that folks, that maybe aren't familiar
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  • with this issue, or have a pre conceived notion about
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  • the men and women that are on death row,
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  • could watch this and have a new understanding
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  • of how our judicial system works,
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  • how it's failing us,
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  • and how we can be of support.
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  • Is really important.
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  • - We can't lull ourselves into a false sense of,
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  • it's over that was way back then, it doesn't matter.
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  • It matters.
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  • It matters.
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  • (Gospel music)
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