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January 12, 2017
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Leon Fontaine hosts Dr. Ravi Zacharias and Dr. Vince Vitale

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  • - ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT FROM
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  • DALLAS, TEXAS.
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  • FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL
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  • MINISTRIES...
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  • DR. RAVI ZACHARIAS
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  • DIRECTOR OF THE ZACHARIAS
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  • INSTITUTE...
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  • DR. VINCE VITALE
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  • - LEON FONTAINE: WELCOME TODAY,
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  • IT IS SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH
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  • US.
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  • TODAY I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO
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  • INTERVIEW TWO INCREDIBLE MEN WHO
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  • ARE DEFENDING THE FAITH, I MEAN
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  • ALL OVER THIS PLANET, AND
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  • COUNTRIES, UNIVERSITIES, WORLD
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  • I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU A
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  • COUPLE OF CLIPS RIGHT NOW
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  • INTRODUCING THEM.
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  • LET'S WATCH THIS ABOUT
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  • DR. RAVI ZACHARIAS.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: HE IS A
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  • DEFENDER OF THE FAITH.
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  • - RAVI ZACHARIAS: TO GIVE AN
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  • ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS OF
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  • PEOPLE.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: A CHAMPION
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  • OF THE GOSPEL,.
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  • - RAVI: AND YOU CAN DO THAT
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  • TOO, AND FIND THAT EXPERIENCE
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  • AND THAT IS WHO HE CLAIMED TO
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  • BE.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: RAVI
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  • ZACHARIAS, BRINGING THE MESSAGE
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  • OF CHRIST AROUND THE WORLD.
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  • FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL
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  • MINISTRIES AND RENOWNED SPEAKER,
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  • SHARING CHRIST FROM HARVARD
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  • UNIVERSITY TO THE WHITE HOUSE
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  • WITH PASSION AND GRACE.
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  • - RAVI: BECAUSE OF WHOM, BY
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  • WHOM, IN WHOM AND THROUGH WHOM
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  • ALONE MANKIND MIGHT STILL HAVE
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  • PEACE, THE PERSON OF
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  • JESUS CHRIST.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: WELCOME,
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  • DR. RAVI ZACHARIAS.
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • - LEON: IT IS SO AWESOME TO
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  • HAVE HIM WITH US TODAY.
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  • I ALSO WANT YOU TO SEE THIS CLIP
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  • ABOUT DR. VINCE VITALE.
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  • HE IS WITH US AS WELL.
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  • - VINCE: GOD IS NOT DEAD.
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  • MY NAME IS VINCE VITALE.
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  • I'M A PHILOSOPHER.
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  • I TEACH AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY.
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  • AND I'M HERE AT THE OXFORD
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  • PHILOSOPHY LIBRARY TO BRING YOU
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  • JUST THAT UPDATE,
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  • THAT GOD IS NOT DEAD,
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  • NOT NEARLY.
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  • A NUMBER OF POPULAR AUTHORS HAVE
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  • SUGGESTED OTHERWISE IN RECENT
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  • BUT THESE NEW ATHEISTS
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  • ARE GENERALLY NOT ENGAGED IN
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  • CURRENT PHILOSOPHICAL
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  • IN FACT, THE NEW ATHEISM AT THE
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  • POPULAR LEVEL CAN BE TRACED
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  • DIRECTLY BACK TO THE OLD
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  • SCHOLARSHIP AT THE ACADEMIC
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  • LEVEL.
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  • MORE RECENTLY, IN THE LAST 50
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  • YEARS OR SO, WHAT WE HAD IS A
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  • REMARKABLE RESURGENCE OF
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  • PROFESSIONAL PHILOSOPHERS WHO
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  • HAVE THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT
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  • THE EVIDENCE AND HAVE COME TO
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  • THE CONCLUSION THAT GOD EXISTS.
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  • GOD IS NOT DEAD.
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  • HE IS VERY MUCH ALIVE.
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  • HERE IN OXFORD AND IN PRINCETON
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  • AND IN PHILOSOPHY FACULTIES, TOP
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  • FACULTIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD,
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  • GOD IS NOT DEAD.
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  • GOD IS AS ALIVE AS HE EVER WAS.
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • - LEON: RAVI AND VINCE, IT IS
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  • SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH ME,
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  • VINCE, THERE IS A WHOLE
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  • GENERATION OUT THERE THAT ARE
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  • QUESTIONING.
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  • EVEN IF THEY ARE RAISED IN
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  • CHRISTIAN HOMES, I'M SEEING THEM
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  • LEAVE ONCE THEY GO TO UNIVERSITY
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  • AND THEY START SEEING ALL THE
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  • OTHER SIDE'S DATA, THEY TEND TO
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  • BEGIN TO QUESTION THEIR FAITH.
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  • HAVE YOU SEEN THE SAME THING?
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  • - VINCE: I THINK THAT IS
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  • WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS
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  • IN TERMS OF CHRISTIAN HIGH
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  • SCHOOLERS AND WHETHER THEY
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  • CONTINUE GOING TO CHURCH INTO
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  • COLLEGE IN AMERICA, SOMETHING
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  • LIKE 70 PERCENT OR MORE ARE NOT
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  • GOING TO CHURCH 3 OR 4 YEARS
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  • THAT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE
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  • STATISTIC.
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  • MYSELF, I WASN'T SOMEONE WHO WAS
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  • A CHRISTIAN WHEN I GOT TO
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  • UNIVERSITY, AND I HAD THE
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  • OPPOSITE EXPERIENCE, I WAS VERY
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  • BLESSED TO MEET PEOPLE WHO TOOK
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  • MY QUESTIONS SERIOUSLY.
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  • I MET A CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
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  • FOR WHOM NO QUESTION WAS OFF
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  • LIMITS.
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  • I HAD THOUGHT CHRISTIANITY MEANT
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  • TURNING YOUR BRAIN OFF.
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  • THAT FAITH HAD TO BE BLIND.
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  • THAT WAS MY STARTING POINT.
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  • I WAS VERY BLESSED TO BECOME A
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  • PART OF A COMMUNITY THAT TOOK
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  • QUESTIONS SERIOUSLY, AND THAT
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  • - RAVI: AND I THINK IT'S
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  • IMPORTANT, ALSO, LEON, TO
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  • QUALIFY THE DEPARTURE FROM THEIR
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  • SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN FAITH INTO
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  • IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY FOUND
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  • ANSWERS WHERE THEY HAVE GONE; IT
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  • IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GIVEN UP IN
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  • BELIEVING THERE ARE ANSWERS.
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  • THAT IS CRITICAL TO KNOW.
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  • BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER
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  • IS, MANY OF THOSE WHO ABANDONED
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  • THEIR SO-CALLED BELIEF IN
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  • CHRIST, FROM CHRISTENDOM AND SO
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  • ON, WILL TELL YOU LIFE HAS
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  • BECOME SORT OF PULLING YOURSELF
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  • UP BY YOUR OWN BOOTSTRAPS.
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  • THEY HAVE NOT FOUND SOLID
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  • GROUND.
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  • KEY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT IS
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  • WHY WHEN WE LOOK ACROSS THE WEST
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  • TODAY IT IS BEREFT OF MEANING,
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  • BEREFT OF HOPE, POLITICS HAS
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  • BECOME THE NEW RELIGION OF OUR
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  • TIME.
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  • BECAUSE PRAGMATISM AND POWER AND
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  • MOMENTARY SOLUTIONS IS EXACTLY
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  • WHERE THEY GRAVITATE TO.
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  • BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS,
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  • YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS NOT THAT WE
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  • DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT
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  • THE BIBLE TELLS US TO GIVE A
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  • REASON FOR THE HOPE THAT IS
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  • WITHIN YOU AND TO DO THAT WITH
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  • GENTLENESS AND RESPECT.
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  • THAT IS WHERE THE WORD APOLOGIA
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  • GENERATES INTO THE
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  • TRANSLITERATION OF APOLOGETICS
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  • ALWAYS BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THE
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  • QUESTIONS AND GIVE A REASON FOR
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  • WHO SAID THAT?
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  • A FISHERMAN, PETER, WHO
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  • RECOGNIZED THERE HAD TO BE A
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  • REASONABLE GROUNDING OF YOUR
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  • FAITH.
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  • FAITH IS NOT CREDULITY IN THE
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  • CHRISTIAN WORLD, IT IS A
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  • COMMITMENT AND A TRUST THAT HAS
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  • THOUGHT QUESTIONS THROUGH AND
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  • HAS FOUND A COHERENT SET OF
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  • ANSWERS.
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  • SO, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT
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  • EXACTLY WE MEAN WHEN WE TALK
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  • ABOUT FAITH.
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  • IT'S NOT LIKE YOU JUST ARE
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  • FLOATING IN THE WIND, YOU KNOW.
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  • WHEN YOU GET ON TO AN AIRPLANE,
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  • YOU HAVE FAITH.
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  • BUT THE PILOT HAS HIS LICENSE
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  • AND SOMEBODY HAS MONITORED IT,
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  • BUT IT IS TRUST AT THE SAME
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  • TIME.
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  • - VINCE: IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR
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  • PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IS WHAT
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  • BIBLICAL FAITH IS.
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  • BECAUSE WHEN I GOT TO COLLEGE AS
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  • A NONCHRISTIAN, I JUST ASSUMED
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  • FAITH HAD TO BE BLIND.
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  • AND THANKFULLY WHEN PEOPLE
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  • FINALLY CHALLENGED ME TO OPEN UP
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  • THE BIBLE AND START TO READ IT,
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  • WHAT I FOUND WAS COMPLETELY
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  • DIFFERENT.
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  • I FOUND THE BEREANS BEING
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  • PRAISED OVER THE THESSALONIANS;
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  • WHY?
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  • BECAUSE THEY EXAMINED THE
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  • SCRIPTURES DAILY TO DETERMINE IF
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  • THESE THINGS WERE SO.
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  • I STARTED TO READ THROUGH THE
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  • BOOK OF ACTS, AND THE WORDS THAT
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  • ARE USED TO DESCRIBE THE ACTS
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  • THAT JESUS' APOSTLES WERE
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  • PERFORMING, INCLUDE, REASONING,
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  • DEFENDING, CONVINCING,
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  • PERSUADING, ACTUALLY THE WORD
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  • THAT'S MOST USED OF SOMEONE
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  • COMING TO FAITH IN THE BIBLE IS
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  • THAT THEY WERE PERSUADED.
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  • EVEN THE WORD PROVING,
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  • CONFIRMING, THE LIST GOES ON AND
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  • ON, AND, FOR ME, THAT WAS SO
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  • ENCOURAGING, BECAUSE I WAS
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  • STUDYING PHILOSOPHY AT THE TIME.
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  • I WAS COMMITTED TO TAKING TRUTH
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  • SERIOUSLY.
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  • I THOUGHT IF THIS JUST MEANS
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  • PUTTING MY BRAIN AND MY MIND ON
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  • THE SIDE, IT'S NOT FOR ME.
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  • I WAS SO PLEASED TO FIND THAT
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  • THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE CASE.
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  • - LEON: I'M A SECOND OR THIRD
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  • GENERATION CHRISTIAN.
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  • MY DAD WAS A PASTOR.
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  • HIS GRANDMOTHER IS THE ONE THA
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  • BROUGHT HIM TO FAITH.
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  • I WAS RAISED IN A PASTOR'S HOME.
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  • MY PARENTS, AMAZING, THEY LOVED
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  • JESUS.
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  • HE WOULD TEACH THE WORDS.
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  • I WAS RAISED LIKE THAT.
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  • I REMEMBER YEARS AGO READING A
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  • BOOK, FINALLY READING HOW THE
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  • WORLD LOOKS AT IT.
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  • I WAS DEVASTATED TO FIND.
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  • MY KNOWLEDGE WAS ALL IN THE
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  • BIBLE, LOVED THE BIBLE, MY DAD
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  • TAUGHT ME THE BIBLE.
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  • I'M SO GLAD.
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  • BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT
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  • CHALLENGED THE BIBLE.
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  • IT CHALLENGED EVERYTHING.
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  • IT PUT A HUGE KNOT IN MY STOMACH
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  • AS I WENT -- I LITERALLY BEGAN
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  • TO QUESTION.
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  • IS THIS EVEN REAL?
  • 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.130
  • FROM A GUY WHO WAS RAISED IN IT,
  • 00:08:10.130 --> 00:08:11.050
  • I MEAN, IT WAS HARD.
  • 00:08:11.050 --> 00:08:13.100
  • THEN I QUICKLY WENT AND FOR
  • 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:15.180
  • ABOUT A DAY, I REMEMBER BEING
  • 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:16.190
  • DEVASTATED THINKING THIS THING
  • 00:08:16.190 --> 00:08:17.140
  • THROUGH.
  • 00:08:17.140 --> 00:08:18.090
  • HAVE I LITERALLY FALLEN FOR WHAT
  • 00:08:18.090 --> 00:08:20.010
  • THEY'RE CALLING IS JUST MY OWN
  • 00:08:20.050 --> 00:08:23.050
  • LITTLE BELIEFS THAT MAKE ME FEEL
  • 00:08:23.050 --> 00:08:24.290
  • COMFORTABLE?
  • 00:08:24.290 --> 00:08:26.060
  • THEN I BEGAN TO LOOK FOR A MAN
  • 00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:28.100
  • WHO WOULD WRITE ON THE TOPIC.
  • 00:08:28.100 --> 00:08:29.240
  • THE FIRST TIME I READ THIS ONE
  • 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.270
  • BOOK, I BEGAN TO WEEP AS I
  • 00:08:31.270 --> 00:08:34.000
  • REALIZED THEY HAD SOME OF THE
  • 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.160
  • MOST BRILLIANT MINDS FOLLOWED
  • 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:36.140
  • JESUS.
  • 00:08:36.140 --> 00:08:39.110
  • WHEN I KNEW THAT, IT BROUGHT A
  • 00:08:39.110 --> 00:08:40.180
  • PEACE AS I READ THROUGH THOSE
  • 00:08:40.180 --> 00:08:41.190
  • BOOKS.
  • 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:42.220
  • THAT IS WHY I APPRECIATE YOU
  • 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:44.140
  • GUYS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND
  • 00:08:44.140 --> 00:08:45.280
  • TAKING ON THIS WHOLE DEBATE, AS
  • 00:08:45.280 --> 00:08:47.080
  • YOU SAY, TO OUR WORLD.
  • 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.120
  • - RAVI: IT IS IMPORTANT, LEON.
  • 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.150
  • WHAT YOU SAID, IT IS IMPORTANT
  • 00:08:53.150 --> 00:08:56.040
  • FOR THE LISTENER TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:08:56.040 --> 00:08:58.260
  • IT IS NOT THAT EVERYTHING GETS
  • 00:09:01.070 --> 00:09:01.280
  • SPARKS CEREBRALLY AS WE MAKE
  • 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:04.010
  • OUR CHRISTIAN COMMITMENT,
  • 00:09:04.010 --> 00:09:04.200
  • NOR THAT EVERYTHING GETS
  • 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:05.240
  • CORNERED INTO THE HEART-POUNDING
  • 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:06.160
  • EMOTION.
  • 00:09:06.210 --> 00:09:09.210
  • THERE IS A BRIDGE WE NEED TO
  • 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:11.040
  • FIND BETWEEN THE HEAD AND THE
  • 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:13.050
  • THAT'S HOW LIFE IS TOO.
  • 00:09:15.190 --> 00:09:16.070
  • WE MAKE INTELLECTUAL
  • 00:09:16.070 --> 00:09:16.230
  • COMMITMENTS.
  • 00:09:16.230 --> 00:09:18.110
  • BUT THOSE INTELLECTUAL
  • 00:09:18.110 --> 00:09:19.180
  • COMMITMENTS DIRECTLY HAVE A
  • 00:09:19.180 --> 00:09:21.100
  • BEARING ON HOW WE FEEL AND WHAT
  • 00:09:21.100 --> 00:09:23.080
  • THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF THIS IS.
  • 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.290
  • SEE, WHAT HAPPENED I THINK
  • 00:09:25.290 --> 00:09:27.100
  • HISTORICALLY, IF YOU GO BACK
  • 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:28.290
  • ACROSS TRUTH TESTING TERRAIN,
  • 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:32.070
  • YOU GO FROM THE DAYS OF
  • 00:09:32.070 --> 00:09:33.210
  • RATIONALISM, EVERYTHING HAD TO
  • 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:35.090
  • HAVE MATHEMATICAL INDUBITABLE
  • 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:37.020
  • CERTAINTY.
  • 00:09:37.020 --> 00:09:39.230
  • YOU GO BACK TO THE 14TH AND 15TH
  • 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:41.110
  • CENTURIES, THAT'S THE WAY IT
  • 00:09:41.110 --> 00:09:42.040
  • WAS.
  • 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:43.170
  • THEN YOU PROGRESSED ALONG AND
  • 00:09:43.170 --> 00:09:44.250
  • THE EMPIRICISTS CAME ALONG.
  • 00:09:44.250 --> 00:09:46.180
  • YOU KNOW, SCIENCE BECAME THAT
  • 00:09:46.180 --> 00:09:47.190
  • SINGLE VISION WHERE IT HAD TO BE
  • 00:09:47.190 --> 00:09:50.180
  • EXAMINED IN THE LAB AND THE TEST
  • 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:52.070
  • TUBE.
  • 00:09:52.070 --> 00:09:53.100
  • THE ONLY CERTAINTY YOU COULD
  • 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:54.040
  • HAVE WAS SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY.
  • 00:09:54.040 --> 00:09:56.190
  • AND AS TIME WENT ON, THE
  • 00:09:56.190 --> 00:09:58.280
  • EMOTIONS BECAME NEGLECTED.
  • 00:09:58.280 --> 00:10:00.280
  • AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 60'S
  • 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:02.170
  • AND 70'S OF THE PREVIOUS
  • 00:10:02.170 --> 00:10:05.060
  • CENTURIES, THE EXISTENTIALISTS
  • 00:10:05.060 --> 00:10:06.230
  • CAME ON TO THE SCENE.
  • 00:10:06.230 --> 00:10:09.070
  • WHAT IS THE PLACE FOR MY WILL?
  • 00:10:09.070 --> 00:10:09.280
  • WHAT IS THE PLACE FOR MY
  • 00:10:09.280 --> 00:10:10.240
  • EMOTIONS?
  • 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.030
  • WHAT IS THE PLACE FOR MY
  • 00:10:12.030 --> 00:10:14.090
  • IDENTITY?
  • 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:15.050
  • SO FROM RATIONALISM TO,
  • 00:10:15.050 --> 00:10:16.000
  • EMPIRICISM, TO EXISTENTIALISM,
  • 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:17.000
  • THEY WERE MOVING IN DIFFERENT
  • 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:20.060
  • WAYS OF TESTING TRUTH CLAIMS.
  • 00:10:21.160 --> 00:10:24.160
  • AND AFTER IT ALL, POST-MODERNISM
  • 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:25.180
  • CAME INTO BEING AND ABANDONED
  • 00:10:25.180 --> 00:10:26.270
  • TRUTH, MEANING AND CERTAINTY.
  • 00:10:26.270 --> 00:10:28.080
  • AND HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY
  • 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.050
  • TO THE LISTENERS, VERY IMPORTANT
  • 00:10:29.050 --> 00:10:29.270
  • NOW.
  • 00:10:29.270 --> 00:10:31.160
  • WHAT WAS THE MISTAKE THAT WAS
  • 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:32.070
  • MADE THAT IN GRABBING THE FINGER
  • 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.080
  • OF ONE WAY OF MEASURING TRUTH
  • 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.080
  • THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD GRABBED
  • 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.220
  • THE WHOLE FIST OF REALITY?
  • 00:10:41.010 --> 00:10:44.010
  • THESE THINGS HAVE THEIR PLACES.
  • 00:10:44.010 --> 00:10:45.040
  • THERE ARE RATIONALISTIC
  • 00:10:45.040 --> 00:10:45.240
  • DEFENSES.
  • 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.040
  • THERE ARE EMPIRICAL NECESSITIES.
  • 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:49.020
  • THERE IS THE EXISTENTIAL
  • 00:10:49.020 --> 00:10:52.010
  • INVOLVEMENT, AND ULTIMATELY
  • 00:10:52.010 --> 00:10:54.120
  • POST-MODERNISM WAS LOOKING FOR A
  • 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:55.150
  • COMMUNITY.
  • 00:10:55.150 --> 00:10:57.160
  • WHAT A BETTER PLACE TO HAVE A
  • 00:10:57.160 --> 00:10:58.080
  • COMMUNITY THAN IN TRUTH, MEANING
  • 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:00.150
  • AND CERTAINTY IN THE CHURCH
  • 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:01.060
  • ITSELF.
  • 00:11:01.060 --> 00:11:02.150
  • SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
  • 00:11:02.150 --> 00:11:04.150
  • IT IS NOT THAT THEIR METHOD WAS
  • 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:08.160
  • WRONG, IT IS THEY MADE IT IN AN
  • 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:10.050
  • EXCLUSIONARY SENSE OF FORGETTING
  • 00:11:10.050 --> 00:11:11.220
  • WE ARE MULTI-SENSORY ENTITIES.
  • 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:18.040
  • WE THINK IN MULTI-SENSORY WAYS.
  • 00:11:18.040 --> 00:11:20.030
  • THAT'S WHY WHEN VINCE AND I
  • 00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:22.140
  • WROTE THIS BOOK THAT WE ARE
  • 00:11:22.140 --> 00:11:23.060
  • TALKING ABOUT, TOO, IT IS
  • 00:11:23.060 --> 00:11:25.070
  • DEALING WITH ALL OF THESE ISMS
  • 00:11:25.070 --> 00:11:26.290
  • IN ORDER TO BRING CONFLUENCE OF
  • 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:29.080
  • TRUTH MEASUREMENT, WHICH IS WHAT
  • 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:31.010
  • LIFE IS ULTIMATELY ALL ABOUT,
  • 00:11:31.010 --> 00:11:33.060
  • - LEON: THERE IS A VERSE IN
  • 00:11:36.130 --> 00:11:37.030
  • PROVERBS, THAT IS WHEN YOU HEAR
  • 00:11:37.030 --> 00:11:37.250
  • THE FIRST PERSON ON AN ARGUMENT,
  • 00:11:37.250 --> 00:11:39.020
  • THEY ALWAYS SOUND RIGHT UNTIL
  • 00:11:39.020 --> 00:11:42.020
  • A LOT OF THE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN
  • 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:47.260
  • THAT WILL TALK TO ME HAVE
  • 00:11:47.260 --> 00:11:50.050
  • LITERALLY READ A LOT OF STUFF ON
  • 00:11:50.050 --> 00:11:52.050
  • HUMANISM ON THIS SIDE, BUT THEY
  • 00:11:54.010 --> 00:11:57.010
  • REALLY HAVEN'T GIVEN IT AS MUCH
  • 00:11:57.010 --> 00:11:58.120
  • THOUGHT AND READING TO THE OTHER
  • 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.060
  • SIDE.
  • 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:04.090
  • AND, VINCE, YOU BRING THAT OUT
  • 00:12:04.090 --> 00:12:05.000
  • REALLY WELL IN SOME OF THE
  • 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:05.190
  • CHAPTERS YOU WRITE HERE, THAT
  • 00:12:05.190 --> 00:12:06.230
  • COME ON, IF YOU ARE SERIOUS
  • 00:12:06.230 --> 00:12:07.210
  • ABOUT THIS, THEN GET IN HERE AND
  • 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:08.260
  • READ AND LOOK AT THE
  • 00:12:08.260 --> 00:12:10.000
  • INFORMATION.
  • 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.220
  • LIKE, THE TITLE OF YOUR BOOK,
  • 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:13.270
  • "JESUS AMONG SECULAR GODS,"
  • 00:12:13.270 --> 00:12:16.010
  • WHY DID YOU TITLE IT THAT?
  • 00:12:16.010 --> 00:12:18.290
  • - VINCE: EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:12:18.290 --> 00:12:20.160
  • THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT
  • 00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:23.010
  • I THINK IT MAY BE THE HARDEST
  • 00:12:28.030 --> 00:12:28.240
  • AGE TO EXPLORE THE DEEPEST
  • 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:29.150
  • I WAS ON A UNIVERSITY CAMPUS IN
  • 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:33.100
  • CHICAGO RECENTLY.
  • 00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:33.250
  • WE WERE ASKING STUDENTS BEFORE
  • 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:35.150
  • AN EVENT TO COME UP AND NOTE
  • 00:12:35.150 --> 00:12:37.260
  • WHAT THEY THINK IS THE MOST
  • 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:40.020
  • IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE, AND WE
  • 00:12:40.020 --> 00:12:41.130
  • HAD ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS ACROSS
  • 00:12:41.130 --> 00:12:42.120
  • THE TOP OF THIS BOARD.
  • 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:43.010
  • IT COULD HAVE BEEN TO LOVE
  • 00:12:43.010 --> 00:12:43.240
  • OTHERS.
  • 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:44.230
  • IT COULD HAVE BEEN TO PASS ON
  • 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:45.170
  • YOUR GENES.
  • 00:12:45.170 --> 00:12:46.170
  • IT COULD HAVE BEEN HAPPINESS.
  • 00:12:46.170 --> 00:12:48.060
  • IT COULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESS.
  • 00:12:48.060 --> 00:12:50.010
  • THE LIST WENT ON AND ON, AND ONE
  • 00:12:50.010 --> 00:12:51.220
  • AFTER ANOTHER I SAW THESE
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.010
  • STUDENTS WALK UP TO THE BOARD,
  • 00:12:53.010 --> 00:12:54.080
  • GRAB THE MARKER, STAND THERE,
  • 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.040
  • AND THEN JUST BE PARALYZED.
  • 00:12:57.050 --> 00:13:00.070
  • SOMETIMES STANDING THERE WITH
  • 00:13:00.070 --> 00:13:02.170
  • THIS FORLORN LOOK ON THEIR FACE,
  • 00:13:02.170 --> 00:13:04.290
  • FOR MINUTES ON END, ON THE ONE
  • 00:13:05.130 --> 00:13:08.130
  • HAND YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE
  • 00:13:08.130 --> 00:13:09.060
  • CHOICES IN FRONT OF YOU.
  • 00:13:09.060 --> 00:13:10.110
  • IT'S LIKE GOING TO A RESTAURANT
  • 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:11.030
  • AND YOU HAVE THIS MENU THAT IS
  • 00:13:11.030 --> 00:13:12.070
  • SO BIG, YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE A
  • 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:12.290
  • DECISION.
  • 00:13:12.290 --> 00:13:14.200
  • AND, SECONDLY, WE ARE LIVING IN
  • 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.050
  • AN AGE WHERE TO EVEN IMPLY THAT
  • 00:13:17.050 --> 00:13:18.200
  • YOU COULD BE RIGHT ABOUT
  • 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.090
  • SOMETHING AND SOMEONE ELSE COULD
  • 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:21.190
  • BE WRONG IS TAKEN TO BE
  • 00:13:21.190 --> 00:13:23.250
  • OFFENSIVE AND NARROW-MINDED OR
  • 00:13:23.250 --> 00:13:25.060
  • ARROGANT OR INTOLERANT OR
  • 00:13:25.060 --> 00:13:25.260
  • EXTREMIST OR...
  • 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:28.140
  • AND THE LIST GOES ON.
  • 00:13:28.140 --> 00:13:29.260
  • SO THESE TWO THINGS COME
  • 00:13:29.260 --> 00:13:31.130
  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:13:31.130 --> 00:13:32.000
  • WE HAVE SO MANY CHOICES.
  • 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.200
  • AND TO EVEN IMPLY THAT THERE
  • 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.130
  • COULD BE A RIGHT ANSWER AND THAT
  • 00:13:35.130 --> 00:13:36.290
  • YOU COULD HAVE A RIGHT ANSWER
  • 00:13:36.290 --> 00:13:37.270
  • THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SHARE
  • 00:13:37.270 --> 00:13:38.210
  • WITH OTHERS IS ITSELF TAKEN TO
  • 00:13:38.210 --> 00:13:39.250
  • BE ARROGANT.
  • 00:13:39.250 --> 00:13:40.180
  • IT'S SO DIFFICULT FOR THIS
  • 00:13:40.180 --> 00:13:43.080
  • GENERATION TO MAKE DECISIONS,
  • 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.200
  • INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT THE
  • 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.270
  • BIGGEST QUESTIONS OF LIFE.
  • 00:13:46.270 --> 00:13:49.110
  • WHAT WE WANTED DO THIS BOOK,
  • 00:13:49.110 --> 00:13:50.010
  • "JESUS AMONG SECULAR GODS" IS
  • 00:13:50.010 --> 00:13:52.090
  • LAY OUT SOME OF THOSE MAJOR
  • 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:53.020
  • OPTIONS BEFORE PEOPLE, TRY TO
  • 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:55.100
  • GIVE THEM A FAIR HEARING AND
  • 00:13:55.100 --> 00:13:58.060
  • THEN SAY MAKE AN INFORMED
  • 00:13:58.060 --> 00:13:58.250
  • DECISION.
  • 00:13:59.150 --> 00:14:02.170
  • - LEON: YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS
  • 00:14:02.170 --> 00:14:03.080
  • DATING BEFORE I GOT MARRIED,
  • 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.190
  • WHEN GIRLS BROKE UP WITH
  • 00:14:04.190 --> 00:14:05.230
  • SOMEBODY, THEY ALWAYS CALLED HIM
  • 00:14:06.130 --> 00:14:09.130
  • "A NICE GUY."
  • 00:14:09.130 --> 00:14:09.260
  • HE WAS A NICE GUY.
  • 00:14:09.260 --> 00:14:11.160
  • BUT--
  • 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:12.140
  • AND IT REALLY TURNED ME
  • 00:14:12.140 --> 00:14:13.190
  • OFF TO THE TERM NICE GUY.
  • 00:14:13.190 --> 00:14:15.230
  • I DON'T WANT TO BE A BAD GUY, I
  • 00:14:15.230 --> 00:14:17.030
  • WANT TO BE A GREAT GUY.
  • 00:14:17.030 --> 00:14:18.250
  • ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:19.270
  • IN THIS BOOK, CHRISTIANS ARE
  • 00:14:19.270 --> 00:14:21.230
  • TRYING SO HARD TO BE NICE GUYS.
  • 00:14:21.230 --> 00:14:23.130
  • WE DON'T WANT TO DEBATE.
  • 00:14:23.130 --> 00:14:25.140
  • WE DON'T WANT TO DISAGREE.
  • 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:28.060
  • WE WANT TO, AS MUCH AS WE CAN,
  • 00:14:28.060 --> 00:14:29.210
  • GET ALONG, BUT THAT IS NOT
  • 00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:30.220
  • WORKING.
  • 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:32.020
  • - RAVI: YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT AS
  • 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.080
  • CATASTROPHIC AFTER A ROMANTIC
  • 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.030
  • BREAK UP TO BE CALLED A
  • 00:14:37.030 --> 00:14:39.020
  • NICE GUY, BUT IT IS A
  • 00:14:39.060 --> 00:14:42.060
  • CATASTROPHE WHEN A TERRORIST
  • 00:14:42.060 --> 00:14:43.200
  • SLAUGHTERS SCORES OF
  • 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.000
  • PEOPLE AND THE NEIGHBORS SAY,
  • 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.130
  • WE HAVE COME TO A POINT WHERE WE
  • 00:14:54.020 --> 00:14:54.240
  • REALLY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER
  • 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:55.140
  • AT THIS POINT IN THE WEST WE
  • 00:14:59.230 --> 00:15:00.150
  • HAVE NOT YET CONNECTED THE DOTS,
  • 00:15:00.150 --> 00:15:01.070
  • WE ARE LIVING AT A TIME
  • 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:05.080
  • INCREDIBLE UNCERTAINTY.
  • 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:08.110
  • ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS HAVE
  • 00:15:08.110 --> 00:15:09.210
  • GONE.
  • 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:10.270
  • ALL OF THE CLASSICAL DEFINITIONS
  • 00:15:10.270 --> 00:15:11.190
  • AND HISTORICAL DEFINITIONS HAVE
  • 00:15:11.190 --> 00:15:12.160
  • GONE.
  • 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:15.190
  • WE HAVE NOT YET HAD THE LOGICAL
  • 00:15:15.190 --> 00:15:16.110
  • ABILITY TO CONNECT THAT WITH THE
  • 00:15:16.110 --> 00:15:18.180
  • WORLDVIEW THAT HAS SHIFTED FROM
  • 00:15:18.180 --> 00:15:19.100
  • A VERTICAL AND THEISTIC
  • 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:21.170
  • FRAMEWORK TO A HORIZONTAL
  • 00:15:21.170 --> 00:15:22.190
  • FRAMEWORK RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:24.200
  • G.K. CHESTERTON USED TO SAY,
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.260
  • "THERE ARE MANY, MANY ANGLES
  • 00:15:26.260 --> 00:15:27.160
  • AT WHICH YOU CAN FALL,
  • 00:15:27.160 --> 00:15:28.280
  • BUT ONLY ONE ANGLE AT WHICH
  • 00:15:28.280 --> 00:15:30.010
  • YOU CAN STAND STRAIGHT."
  • 00:15:30.010 --> 00:15:32.060
  • WE ARE NOW TESTING THE ANGLES.
  • 00:15:32.060 --> 00:15:32.290
  • WE ARE FALLING IN SO MANY
  • 00:15:32.290 --> 00:15:34.100
  • DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND
  • 00:15:34.100 --> 00:15:36.050
  • NIETZCHE, THE ATHEIST PREDICTED
  • 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:39.200
  • THIS, HE SAID: ONCE WE HAVE
  • 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.120
  • KILLED GOD, HE SAID, IS THERE
  • 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.290
  • ANY UP OR DOWN LEFT?
  • 00:15:42.290 --> 00:15:45.190
  • ARE WE NOT STRAYING THROUGH AN
  • 00:15:45.190 --> 00:15:46.110
  • INFINITE NOTHING?
  • 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:49.080
  • MUST NOT LANTERNS HAVE TO BE LIT
  • 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.100
  • IN THE MORNING HOURS?
  • 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:53.160
  • ARE WE NOT PERPETUALLY FALLING?
  • 00:15:54.100 --> 00:15:57.100
  • THAT IS THE KEY WORD.
  • 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:59.160
  • IT IS NOT LIKE IN THE BIBLICAL
  • 00:15:59.160 --> 00:16:00.240
  • SENSE WE FELL WHEN WE DENIED THE
  • 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.050
  • ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF GOD, NOW
  • 00:16:03.050 --> 00:16:05.080
  • WITH NO ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY, WE
  • 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:06.250
  • ARE PERPETUALLY FALLING.
  • 00:16:06.250 --> 00:16:09.020
  • WE ARE MAKING HUGE BLUNDERS.
  • 00:16:09.020 --> 00:16:11.140
  • DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE WITHOUT
  • 00:16:11.270 --> 00:16:14.270
  • ANY SENSE OF WISDOM IN THE MIX.
  • 00:16:14.270 --> 00:16:17.200
  • AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A POINT OF
  • 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.120
  • REFERENCE, LEON, IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:21.260
  • HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR
  • 00:16:21.260 --> 00:16:23.170
  • MARRIAGE, FOR IDENTITY, FOR
  • 00:16:23.170 --> 00:16:24.200
  • RELATIONSHIPS, THEN ALL THAT'S
  • 00:16:25.260 --> 00:16:28.260
  • LEFT WITH IS, HE WAS A NICE GUY.
  • 00:16:28.260 --> 00:16:30.110
  • BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT
  • 00:16:30.110 --> 00:16:31.000
  • REALLY MEANS ANYMORE FOR
  • 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.250
  • NICENESS AND GOODNESS TO BE
  • 00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:35.240
  • CONNECTED AND TRUTHFULNESS TO
  • 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.160
  • COME INTO CONFORMITY OF THAT.
  • 00:16:39.030 --> 00:16:42.030
  • - LEON: THERE ARE A LOST
  • 00:16:42.030 --> 00:16:42.260
  • REASONS I LOVE THIS BOOK.
  • 00:16:42.260 --> 00:16:43.220
  • ONE OF THEM IS, YOU LITERALLY
  • 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:44.240
  • TAKE EACH OF THE SECULAR GODS
  • 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.080
  • YOU WRITE ABOUT AND YOU GO,
  • 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.150
  • WELL, LET'S GO THIS WAY, AND YOU
  • 00:16:48.150 --> 00:16:49.070
  • WALK IT OUT.
  • 00:16:49.070 --> 00:16:51.170
  • WHERE DOES IT GO?
  • 00:16:51.170 --> 00:16:53.030
  • I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:54.060
  • WHO ARE THINKING THIS THING
  • 00:16:54.060 --> 00:16:55.270
  • THROUGH.
  • 00:16:55.270 --> 00:16:56.130
  • THEY SEEM TO BE TAKING GOD OUT
  • 00:16:56.130 --> 00:16:59.070
  • OR SHUTTING HIM DOWN THAT WHEN
  • 00:16:59.070 --> 00:17:01.000
  • THEY FALL INTO HEDONISM OR ALL
  • 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.120
  • THE THINGS MODERN, WHERE IS THAT
  • 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.100
  • TAKING YOU?
  • 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:07.000
  • THEY ARE NOT LOOKED AHEAD AND
  • 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:07.220
  • PLAYED THE VIDEO OUT.
  • 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:10.030
  • - VINCE: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:17:10.030 --> 00:17:11.280
  • THE PHRASE I LIKE FOR THAT IS
  • 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:13.000
  • CRITICISM WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE IS
  • 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:13.230
  • EMPTY.
  • 00:17:13.230 --> 00:17:15.130
  • CRITICISM WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE IS
  • 00:17:15.130 --> 00:17:16.050
  • EMPTY.
  • 00:17:16.050 --> 00:17:18.210
  • - LEON: THAT'S TRUE.
  • 00:17:18.210 --> 00:17:20.030
  • - VINCE: WHEN I WAS FIRST
  • 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:20.220
  • LOOKING INTO CHRISTIANITY I WAS
  • 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:21.280
  • READING A BOOK ABOUT THE
  • 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:24.000
  • HISTORICITY OF THE RESURRECTION
  • 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:24.230
  • OF JESUS.
  • 00:17:24.230 --> 00:17:26.150
  • I COULDN'T EVEN BELIEVE THERE
  • 00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:27.230
  • COULD BE ARGUMENTS FOR SUCH A
  • 00:17:27.230 --> 00:17:28.290
  • THING, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M
  • 00:17:28.290 --> 00:17:30.110
  • READING THIS BOOK AND I'M SO
  • 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:31.090
  • SURPRISED I'M FINDING IT SO
  • 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:33.000
  • I'M FINDING THERE IS STRONG
  • 00:17:36.190 --> 00:17:37.110
  • HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE
  • 00:17:37.110 --> 00:17:38.020
  • WERE MANY PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF
  • 00:17:38.020 --> 00:17:39.150
  • PEOPLE, WALKING AROUND VERY
  • 00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:40.120
  • SHORTLY AFTER JESUS' DEATH WHO
  • 00:17:40.120 --> 00:17:43.090
  • WERE UTTERLY CONVINCED THEY HAD
  • 00:17:43.090 --> 00:17:46.000
  • SEEN THIS MAN LIVING WITH THEIR
  • 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:46.220
  • OWN EYES AND INTERACTED WITH HIM
  • 00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:49.200
  • AND SPENT TIME WITH HIM, HOW DO
  • 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.050
  • A CHRISTIAN EXPLAINS THAT WITH
  • 00:17:54.050 --> 00:17:54.260
  • THE RESURRECTION.
  • 00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:56.050
  • IF YOU DON'T, CRITICISM WITHOUT
  • 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:57.270
  • ALTERNATIVE IS EMPTY.
  • 00:17:57.270 --> 00:17:59.240
  • IF YOU DON'T EXPLAIN IT THAT
  • 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:00.180
  • WAY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE
  • 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:02.010
  • ERUPTION OF CHRISTIANITY?
  • 00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:03.210
  • I ARRANGED MEETINGS WITH THE TWO
  • 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:06.060
  • TOP NEW TESTAMENT PROFESSORS AT
  • 00:18:06.060 --> 00:18:07.130
  • MY UNIVERSITY.
  • 00:18:07.130 --> 00:18:09.010
  • I WAS AT PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
  • 00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:09.220
  • AND I WAS CONFIDENT AT THE TIME,
  • 00:18:09.220 --> 00:18:12.080
  • SURELY, SMART PEOPLE WHO THINK
  • 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:13.190
  • DIFFERENTLY HAVE OTHER
  • 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:14.280
  • EXPLANATIONS.
  • 00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:16.150
  • I MET WITH BOTH OF THEM.
  • 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:19.110
  • THE FIRST ONE GLANCED WITHOUT
  • 00:18:19.110 --> 00:18:21.080
  • CONVICTION TOWARDS A MASS
  • 00:18:21.080 --> 00:18:22.250
  • HALLUCINATION THEORY WHICH IS
  • 00:18:22.250 --> 00:18:24.210
  • RIDDLED WITH PROBLEMS AND HAS
  • 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:25.120
  • EARNED NO CREDIBILITY IN THE
  • 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:26.200
  • SCHOLARLY LITERATURE.
  • 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.240
  • THE OTHER ONE TOLD ME THAT THEY
  • 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.290
  • SIMPLY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN
  • 00:18:29.290 --> 00:18:31.110
  • THE QUESTION AS A HISTORIAN.
  • 00:18:31.110 --> 00:18:33.160
  • THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF
  • 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:35.050
  • ASSUMPTIONS THAT AS SOON AS WE
  • 00:18:35.050 --> 00:18:36.200
  • START TO TALK ABOUT HISTORY,
  • 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:37.220
  • MIRACLES ARE EXCLUDED, AND I
  • 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:38.250
  • NEVER HAVE KNOWN WHY HE THOUGHT
  • 00:18:38.250 --> 00:18:39.250
  • THAT.
  • 00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:41.190
  • A CRITICISM WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE
  • 00:18:41.190 --> 00:18:42.180
  • IS EMPTY.
  • 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:44.100
  • ALL OF A SUDDEN I BEGAN TO
  • 00:18:44.100 --> 00:18:45.100
  • REALIZE PEOPLE HAVE REJECTED
  • 00:18:45.100 --> 00:18:47.020
  • THIS, NOT BECAUSE THEY FOUND
  • 00:18:47.020 --> 00:18:48.150
  • SOMETHING BETTER, BUT BECAUSE
  • 00:18:48.150 --> 00:18:49.130
  • THEY HEARD A FEW RUMORS ABOUT
  • 00:18:49.130 --> 00:18:51.050
  • GOD AND THEY HAVE JUST GONE WITH
  • 00:18:51.050 --> 00:18:51.280
  • IT.
  • 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:54.170
  • - LEON: YOU SAID IN ONE OF THE
  • 00:18:54.170 --> 00:18:55.090
  • CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK, I FORGET
  • 00:18:55.090 --> 00:18:56.040
  • WHICH ONE OF YOU WAS WRITING,
  • 00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:57.060
  • THAT ONE OF THE GREATEST MINDS
  • 00:18:57.060 --> 00:18:58.230
  • ON EVIDENCE TOOK A LOOK AT THE
  • 00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:00.280
  • BIBLE AND THE EVIDENCE THAT
  • 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:02.030
  • JESUS ROSE AGAIN.
  • 00:19:02.030 --> 00:19:03.220
  • AND HE SAID IT WAS 97 PERCENT
  • 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:04.190
  • SURE WITH ALL THE WITNESSES AND
  • 00:19:07.050 --> 00:19:10.050
  • ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT JESUS ROSE
  • 00:19:10.050 --> 00:19:10.270
  • FROM THE DEAD; THAT'S HUGE!
  • 00:19:10.270 --> 00:19:13.170
  • - VINCE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:19:13.170 --> 00:19:15.120
  • THIS IS A PROFESSOR EMERITUS, A
  • 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:16.110
  • PROFESSOR AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY,
  • 00:19:16.110 --> 00:19:18.170
  • SOMEONE WHO IS KNOWN, AS YOU
  • 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:19.270
  • SAY, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE WAY HE
  • 00:19:19.270 --> 00:19:20.230
  • DEALS WITH EVIDENCE.
  • 00:19:20.230 --> 00:19:23.110
  • HE IS NOT SAYING WE'RE SUPPOSED
  • 00:19:23.110 --> 00:19:24.140
  • TO TAKE THE NUMBER AS SOME SORT
  • 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:25.060
  • OF EXACT NUMBER.
  • 00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:26.200
  • HE KNOWS THERE ARE A LOT OF
  • 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.040
  • VARIABLES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
  • 00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:29.060
  • THAT EVIDENCE.
  • 00:19:29.080 --> 00:19:32.080
  • BUT CAN HE MAKE THAT CLAIM 97
  • 00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:33.180
  • PERCENT BASED ON THE HISTORICAL
  • 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.180
  • EVIDENCE TODAY FOR THE
  • 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.200
  • RESURRECTION OF JESUS AND HAVE
  • 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.110
  • THAT CLAIM PUBLISHED BY OXFORD
  • 00:19:38.110 --> 00:19:39.020
  • UNIVERSITY PRESS AND DEFEND THAT
  • 00:19:39.020 --> 00:19:42.020
  • CLAIM AT THE TOP ACADEMIC
  • 00:19:42.020 --> 00:19:43.150
  • CONFERENCES AROUND THE WORLD,
  • 00:19:43.150 --> 00:19:45.200
  • AND I'VE SEEN HIM DO IT.
  • 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:46.080
  • THAT'S A REMARKABLE THING, AND
  • 00:19:46.080 --> 00:19:47.050
  • MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT
  • 00:19:47.050 --> 00:19:48.100
  • THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
  • 00:19:48.100 --> 00:19:49.010
  • WE LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT
  • 00:19:49.010 --> 00:19:50.020
  • WITH PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:50.020 --> 00:19:51.010
  • - LEON: AS I'M LISTENING TO YOU
  • 00:19:51.010 --> 00:19:52.070
  • GUYS, I'M LAUGHING, NOT BECAUSE
  • 00:19:52.070 --> 00:19:53.090
  • IN ANY WAY THIS IS FUNNY, BUT
  • 00:19:53.090 --> 00:19:55.220
  • BECAUSE I'M SO ENJOYING TALKING
  • 00:19:55.220 --> 00:19:57.180
  • ABOUT JESUS AND THE BIBLE FROM A
  • 00:19:57.180 --> 00:19:58.270
  • PERSPECTIVE OF IT IS SO TRUE AND
  • 00:19:59.040 --> 00:20:02.040
  • SO REAL, AND YOU GUYS TRAVEL THE
  • 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:03.080
  • WORLD, UNIVERSITIES.
  • 00:20:03.080 --> 00:20:04.180
  • I WANT TO SHOW A ROLL-IN RIGHT
  • 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:06.150
  • NOW OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU
  • 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:09.100
  • GUYS DO AROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:09.290
  • WATCH THIS.
  • 00:20:09.290 --> 00:20:11.240
  • - RAVI: IT IS AN HONOR TO BE
  • 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:12.150
  • HERE AT PRINCETON.
  • 00:20:12.150 --> 00:20:13.000
  • WHEN I WAS IN GERMANY.
  • 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:13.170
  • INDIA, VERY CLOSE TO BANGLADESH,
  • 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:14.090
  • GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY,
  • 00:20:14.090 --> 00:20:15.050
  • THE MIDDLE EAST.
  • 00:20:15.050 --> 00:20:16.010
  • MEETINGS IN ANGOLA PRISON,
  • 00:20:16.010 --> 00:20:17.190
  • UNITED STATES.
  • 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:18.070
  • FROM CHINA.
  • 00:20:18.070 --> 00:20:19.030
  • IN CANADA, IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
  • 00:20:19.030 --> 00:20:20.250
  • IN ISTANBUL.
  • 00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:21.240
  • ANKARA.
  • 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:22.180
  • ROMANIA.
  • 00:20:22.180 --> 00:20:24.040
  • AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HARVARD,
  • 00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:25.030
  • PHILIPPINES.
  • 00:20:25.030 --> 00:20:27.070
  • PERTH, AUSTRALIA.
  • 00:20:27.070 --> 00:20:28.240
  • TO SOUTH AFRICA, IN AFRICA.
  • 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:30.150
  • MALAYSIA.
  • 00:20:30.150 --> 00:20:31.100
  • TO INDONESIA, TO SINGAPORE.
  • 00:20:33.020 --> 00:20:36.020
  • - RAVI: THE MISSION OF
  • 00:20:36.020 --> 00:20:36.200
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL
  • 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:39.140
  • MINISTRIES IS REALLY TO REACH
  • 00:20:39.140 --> 00:20:40.050
  • THE THINKER AND THE SCEPTIC, TO
  • 00:20:40.050 --> 00:20:40.270
  • AND DO EVANGELISM UNDERGIRDED
  • 00:20:46.280 --> 00:20:47.190
  • BY APOLOGETICS
  • 00:20:47.190 --> 00:20:49.060
  • IN CLEARING ALL THE OBSTACLES
  • 00:20:49.060 --> 00:20:50.250
  • THAT STAND IN THE WAY
  • 00:20:50.250 --> 00:20:51.130
  • SO THE QUESTIONER CAN TAKE A
  • 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:52.260
  • DIRECT LOOK AT THE CROSS OF
  • 00:20:52.260 --> 00:20:53.170
  • WE PUT IT SIMPLY, IT IS TO HELP
  • 00:20:56.260 --> 00:20:57.180
  • THE THINKER TO BELIEVE AND THE
  • 00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:58.120
  • BELIEVER TO THINK.
  • 00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:02.270
  • IN SHORT, WE ARE IN THEIR ARENA
  • 00:21:02.270 --> 00:21:04.030
  • BRINGING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TO
  • 00:21:04.090 --> 00:21:07.090
  • HELP THEM TRAVERSE THE LONGEST
  • 00:21:07.090 --> 00:21:09.270
  • JOURNEY IN LIFE, THE JOURNEY
  • 00:21:09.270 --> 00:21:10.170
  • FROM THE HEAD TO THE HEART.
  • 00:21:10.170 --> 00:21:13.130
  • RZIM HISTORICALLY HAS FOCUSED ON
  • 00:21:13.210 --> 00:21:16.210
  • 4 MAJOR GROUPS: THE ACADEMIC,
  • 00:21:16.210 --> 00:21:19.000
  • THE BUSINESS, THE POLITICAL AND
  • 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:19.230
  • THE ARTS.
  • 00:21:19.230 --> 00:21:21.290
  • BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THESE FOUR
  • 00:21:21.290 --> 00:21:24.060
  • ARENAS, THESE ONES SO OVERTLY
  • 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:26.260
  • AFFECT CULTURE, THAT WE WANT TO
  • 00:21:26.260 --> 00:21:28.210
  • BE IN THOSE SETTINGS.
  • 00:21:28.210 --> 00:21:31.020
  • IF WE DON'T REACH OUR YOUNG
  • 00:21:31.020 --> 00:21:33.060
  • GENERATION NOW, WE WILL BE IN A
  • 00:21:33.060 --> 00:21:35.260
  • RECOVERY MODE FOR YEARS AND
  • 00:21:35.260 --> 00:21:37.040
  • YEARS TO COME.
  • 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:39.030
  • WE WERE WARNED IN THE 70'S AND
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:40.080
  • 80'S BY PEOPLE LIKE FRANCIS
  • 00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:41.220
  • SCHAEFFER, MALCOLM MUGGERIDGE
  • 00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:43.050
  • AND OTHERS, AS TO WHAT WAS
  • 00:21:43.050 --> 00:21:43.250
  • LOOMING.
  • 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:44.270
  • THE CHURCH DID NOT TAKE THOSE
  • 00:21:44.270 --> 00:21:45.190
  • WARNINGS SERIOUSLY.
  • 00:21:45.190 --> 00:21:48.060
  • AND WE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAS
  • 00:21:48.060 --> 00:21:48.280
  • HAPPENED.
  • 00:21:48.280 --> 00:21:50.080
  • SO WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH THE
  • 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:53.220
  • ISSUES THAT KEEP PEOPLE FROM
  • 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:55.140
  • PUTTING THEIR TRUST IN THE
  • 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:56.030
  • GOSPEL NARRATIVE.
  • 00:21:56.030 --> 00:21:58.130
  • AND I THINK SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD
  • 00:21:58.130 --> 00:22:01.050
  • ME THAT WITHIN 3 TO 4 HOURS
  • 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:02.160
  • FLIGHT OF SINGAPORE YOU CAN
  • 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.050
  • REACH ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE
  • 00:22:04.050 --> 00:22:04.260
  • WORLD'S YOUTH.
  • 00:22:04.260 --> 00:22:07.000
  • YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH PERCENTAGE,
  • 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.060
  • 40 TO 50 PERCENT IN THEIR TEENS
  • 00:22:08.060 --> 00:22:10.210
  • AND 20'S BETWEEN INDIA AND CHINA
  • 00:22:10.210 --> 00:22:12.190
  • ALONE, AN INCREDIBLE WEALTH OF
  • 00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:16.130
  • YOUTH THAT THE WORLD IS BOASTING
  • 00:22:16.130 --> 00:22:18.280
  • WE NEED TO REACH.
  • 00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:21.080
  • THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IS
  • 00:22:21.080 --> 00:22:23.040
  • THE ANSWER FOR EVERY CULTURE AND
  • 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:23.270
  • EVERY GENERATION.
  • 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:26.210
  • WE NEED TO REACH THESE VARIOUS
  • 00:22:26.210 --> 00:22:28.250
  • CULTURES THE WORLD IS OR PARISH.
  • 00:22:29.050 --> 00:22:32.050
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:33.140
  • - LEON: WOW!
  • 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.240
  • RAVI, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS
  • 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.160
  • BOOK, "JESUS AMONG SECULAR
  • 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.050
  • GODS."
  • 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.240
  • ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS I READ,
  • 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:44.280
  • TALKED ABOUT ISLAM HAS A GOAL.
  • 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:47.130
  • THERE IS A PURPOSE THERE.
  • 00:22:47.130 --> 00:22:49.250
  • AND CHRISTIANITY IS MISSING OUT
  • 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:50.170
  • ON SOME OF THESE AREAS.
  • 00:22:50.170 --> 00:22:53.150
  • I MIGHT BE SAYING THIS WRONG BUT
  • 00:22:53.150 --> 00:22:55.270
  • THIS IS SERIOUS, THIS BOOK IS
  • 00:22:55.270 --> 00:22:56.180
  • NOT ANOTHER BOOK THAT'S ON THE
  • 00:22:56.180 --> 00:22:58.040
  • SHELF.
  • 00:22:58.040 --> 00:22:59.050
  • YOU ARE ADDRESSING SOMETHING.
  • 00:22:59.050 --> 00:23:00.190
  • YOU ARE THE MOST TRAVELED GUYS I
  • 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:01.280
  • HAVE MET.
  • 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:04.150
  • YOU ARE SEEING SOMETHING SERIOUS
  • 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:05.070
  • GOING ON WHEN IT COMES TO
  • 00:23:05.070 --> 00:23:05.260
  • DEFENDING THE FAITH.
  • 00:23:05.260 --> 00:23:06.140
  • - RAVI: YES, IT IS.
  • 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:09.200
  • AND ONE HAS TO BE SO CAREFUL,
  • 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.110
  • LEON, IN NAVIGATING THROUGH THIS
  • 00:23:11.110 --> 00:23:13.190
  • MINEFIELD OF ISMS AND IDEAS AND
  • 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:15.180
  • I'VE COVERED THIS GLOBE NOW FOR
  • 00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:20.110
  • FOUR DECADES.
  • 00:23:20.110 --> 00:23:21.180
  • IT IS 44 YEARS, I'M ENTERING MY
  • 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:23.160
  • 45TH YEAR OF CRISSCROSSING
  • 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.150
  • I NEVER REALIZED SO MUCH TERRAIN
  • 00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:29.170
  • WOULD BE COVERED.
  • 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:30.290
  • IF YOU GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST
  • 00:23:30.290 --> 00:23:32.060
  • TODAY -- R.Z.I.M.
  • 00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:33.050
  • HAS A TEAM OF NEARLY 50
  • 00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:34.210
  • APOLOGISTS PLACED IN 15
  • 00:23:34.210 --> 00:23:36.010
  • COUNTRIES.
  • 00:23:36.010 --> 00:23:38.290
  • SOME OF OUR FINEST SPOKESPERSONS
  • 00:23:38.290 --> 00:23:39.230
  • ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IN
  • 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:41.180
  • EGYPT, IN JORDAN, AND TURKEY AND
  • 00:23:41.180 --> 00:23:42.180
  • SO ON.
  • 00:23:44.070 --> 00:23:47.070
  • WE HAVE GOT FINE SPOKESPERSONS
  • 00:23:47.070 --> 00:23:48.000
  • THERE.
  • 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.120
  • IF THEY WERE HERE THEY WOULD
  • 00:23:50.120 --> 00:23:51.020
  • TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE NEVER
  • 00:23:51.020 --> 00:23:53.220
  • SEEN SUCH A MOVE FROM ISLAM INTO
  • 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.140
  • ATHEISM.
  • 00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:59.150
  • THE HIGHEST TURNING OF THEIR
  • 00:23:59.150 --> 00:24:01.020
  • BACKS UPON THE WORLD OF
  • 00:24:01.020 --> 00:24:02.220
  • RELIGION, MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE TO
  • 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:04.280
  • PUBLISH THIS.
  • 00:24:04.280 --> 00:24:05.280
  • AND WE MAKE VACUOUS STATEMENTS
  • 00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:08.050
  • LIKE, ISLAM IS THE FASTEST
  • 00:24:08.050 --> 00:24:09.240
  • GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:10.170
  • IT ISN'T.
  • 00:24:11.130 --> 00:24:14.130
  • IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING
  • 00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:15.010
  • ENFORCED RELIGION IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:24:15.010 --> 00:24:16.170
  • IT IS BEING FORCED.
  • 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:19.230
  • THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM IRAN I
  • 00:24:19.230 --> 00:24:22.070
  • HAVE SPOKEN TO WHO HAVE TOLD ME
  • 00:24:22.070 --> 00:24:23.000
  • THAT IF THE FREEDOM TO BELIEVE
  • 00:24:24.060 --> 00:24:27.060
  • AND DISBELIEVE WERE GIVEN TO
  • 00:24:27.060 --> 00:24:28.060
  • THEM, THERE WOULD BE A MASS EXIT
  • 00:24:28.060 --> 00:24:28.290
  • FROM THIS COMPULSION.
  • 00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:31.100
  • SO MANY OF THE YOUTH HAVE LOST
  • 00:24:31.100 --> 00:24:33.050
  • THEIR FUTURE IN THE BATTLEGROUND
  • 00:24:33.050 --> 00:24:35.140
  • THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON WITHIN
  • 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:37.170
  • THIS WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:39.160
  • NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ISLAM, WE
  • 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.020
  • THINK WE CAN SORT OF SUPERINTEND
  • 00:24:42.020 --> 00:24:44.280
  • UPON ALL THAT IS GOING ON.
  • 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:46.210
  • THE BATTLE IS GOING ON WITHIN
  • 00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:48.290
  • THE SOUL OF ISLAM.
  • 00:24:48.290 --> 00:24:50.180
  • ZUHDI JASSER, ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:54.180
  • ARTICULATE SPOKESPERSONS FROM
  • 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:56.180
  • ISLAMIC WORLD WILL TELL YOU, THE
  • 00:24:56.180 --> 00:24:58.090
  • BATTLE THAT IS GOING ON IN ISLAM
  • 00:24:58.090 --> 00:25:00.060
  • IS NOT THE WEST VERSUS ISLAM,
  • 00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:02.190
  • IT'S FOR THE SOUL OF ISLAM
  • 00:25:02.190 --> 00:25:04.010
  • ITSELF WHAT DOES ISLAM LEGAL
  • 00:25:04.010 --> 00:25:04.290
  • TEACH.
  • 00:25:04.290 --> 00:25:06.290
  • WHEN ALI DASHTI, A MUSLIM FROM
  • 00:25:07.040 --> 00:25:10.040
  • IRAN WROTE THE BOOK "23 YEARS"
  • 00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:13.120
  • THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET
  • 00:25:13.120 --> 00:25:15.100
  • MUHAMMAD, HE CONSIDERED HIMSELF
  • 00:25:15.100 --> 00:25:16.160
  • A MUSLIM, BUT HE SAID, WHERE
  • 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.050
  • HAVE WE COME ONE THIS IDEA THAT
  • 00:25:18.050 --> 00:25:19.190
  • THIS IS A PERFECT BOOK?
  • 00:25:19.190 --> 00:25:21.240
  • AND HE HAS A WHOLE CHAPTER OF
  • 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.230
  • THE GRAMMATICAL AND LINGUISTIC
  • 00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:25.150
  • FLAWS WITHIN.
  • 00:25:25.150 --> 00:25:27.220
  • HE SAID THE LAWS OF GRAMMAR HAD
  • 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:28.140
  • TO BE ALTERED IN ORDER TO
  • 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:30.170
  • ACCOMMODATE THIS WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:25:31.220 --> 00:25:34.220
  • AND HE PAID WITH HIS LIFE.
  • 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.250
  • UNLESS A WORLDVIEW IS WILLING TO
  • 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.000
  • BE OPEN TO CRITICISM AND
  • 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.190
  • CRITIQUE THE WAY HINDUISM IS,
  • 00:25:41.190 --> 00:25:43.020
  • THE WAY BUDDHISM IS, THE WAY
  • 00:25:43.020 --> 00:25:44.230
  • CHRISTIANITY IS, I CAN CRITIQUE
  • 00:25:45.050 --> 00:25:48.050
  • ANY ONE OF THESE WORLD VIEWS IN
  • 00:25:48.050 --> 00:25:49.190
  • AN INTELLECTUAL AND AN ACADEMIC
  • 00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:50.140
  • DEBATE.
  • 00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:52.210
  • THE MOMENT YOU MOVE INTO THE
  • 00:25:52.210 --> 00:25:53.280
  • ISLAMIC WORLD OF CRITIQUE AND
  • 00:25:53.280 --> 00:25:55.110
  • ANALYSIS YOU RISK YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:57.120
  • THAT IS NOT A FAIR WAY TO PLAY
  • 00:25:57.120 --> 00:26:00.060
  • AN INTELLECTUAL GAME.
  • 00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:02.010
  • SO WHAT I SAY TO YOU.
  • 00:26:02.010 --> 00:26:03.020
  • IN FACT, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES
  • 00:26:03.020 --> 00:26:04.120
  • TRAVELING WITH ME NOW, WHEN WE
  • 00:26:04.120 --> 00:26:06.010
  • WERE IN CAIRO, WE HAD THOUSANDS
  • 00:26:06.010 --> 00:26:07.180
  • IN THE AUDIENCE ON A GIVEN
  • 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:09.140
  • NIGHT.
  • 00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:10.240
  • YOUNG, YOUNG PEOPLE MEN AND
  • 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.250
  • WOMEN.
  • 00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:13.020
  • PRINCIPALLY YOUNG.
  • 00:26:13.020 --> 00:26:14.180
  • THERE WERE HUNDREDS WHO GAVE
  • 00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:15.180
  • THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST IN THAT
  • 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:16.130
  • ONE NIGHT.
  • 00:26:16.130 --> 00:26:18.040
  • THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS.
  • 00:26:18.040 --> 00:26:20.120
  • AND I THINK WE HAVE TO PEACEABLY
  • 00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:21.090
  • DO THIS.
  • 00:26:21.090 --> 00:26:22.250
  • WE HAVE TO PEACEFULLY DO THIS.
  • 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:23.160
  • AND IF THERE IS A BATTLE GOING
  • 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.190
  • ON WITHIN THE ISLAMIC WORLD FOR
  • 00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:27.120
  • THE SOUL OF ISLAM, THEN IT IS
  • 00:26:27.120 --> 00:26:30.020
  • TIME FOR CHRISTIANS TO LOVINGLY
  • 00:26:30.020 --> 00:26:32.120
  • AND THOUGHTFULLY RESPOND TO THE
  • 00:26:32.120 --> 00:26:34.110
  • QUESTIONS THAT THE YOUTH WITHIN
  • 00:26:34.110 --> 00:26:36.070
  • ISLAMIC WORLD ARE ASKING.
  • 00:26:36.070 --> 00:26:38.170
  • AND I HAVE JUST COME TO THE
  • 00:26:38.170 --> 00:26:40.240
  • CONCLUSION, I CAME TO KNOW
  • 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.130
  • CHRIST WHEN I WAS 17 ON A BED OF
  • 00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:42.120
  • SUICIDE.
  • 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:45.010
  • THERE IS NO GREATER CERTAINTY IN
  • 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:48.060
  • MY LIFE THAN THAT JESUS CHRIST
  • 00:26:48.060 --> 00:26:50.070
  • IS WHO HE CLAIMED TO BE, BECAUSE
  • 00:26:50.070 --> 00:26:53.030
  • HE ANSWERS THE FUNDAMENTAL
  • 00:26:53.030 --> 00:26:54.280
  • QUESTIONS OF ORIGIN, MEANING,
  • 00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:56.120
  • MORALITY AND DESTINY.
  • 00:26:56.120 --> 00:26:58.240
  • AND IF WE PRESENT THAT GOSPEL IN
  • 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.070
  • THE BEAUTY OF WHO CHRIST IS,
  • 00:27:00.070 --> 00:27:02.170
  • PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LISTEN, NO
  • 00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:04.180
  • MATTER WHAT THEIR WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:05.290
  • - LEON: IT IS AMAZING HOW THE
  • 00:27:05.290 --> 00:27:07.140
  • WEST IS LOOKING TO THE EAST.
  • 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:09.060
  • DID YOU SAY IN THE BOOK THAT THE
  • 00:27:09.060 --> 00:27:11.230
  • EAST IS LOOKING TO THE WEST TO A
  • 00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:13.120
  • CERTAIN DEGREE?
  • 00:27:13.120 --> 00:27:15.260
  • - VINCE: TO ANSWERS TO
  • 00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:16.140
  • QUESTIONS AND FINDING WE DON'T
  • 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.040
  • KNOW HOW TO RESPOND, AMAZING
  • 00:27:18.040 --> 00:27:19.240
  • OPPORTUNITY AS RAVI HAS SAID,
  • 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:22.010
  • OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE MIDDLE
  • 00:27:22.010 --> 00:27:23.200
  • EAST, THE DOUBTING THAT IS
  • 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.140
  • TAKING PLACE, THE QUESTIONING
  • 00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:26.200
  • THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE
  • 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.020
  • MIDDLE EAST.
  • 00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:29.240
  • LOOKING TO THE WEST, SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.060
  • FOR HOW DO WE DISAGREE AND
  • 00:27:32.060 --> 00:27:33.220
  • ACTUALLY WE HAVE LOST IN OUR OWN
  • 00:27:33.220 --> 00:27:35.000
  • SOCIETY OUR ABILITY TO DISAGREE
  • 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:36.060
  • WELL AND TO MAKE DISTINCTIONS
  • 00:27:36.060 --> 00:27:37.270
  • BETWEEN RELIGIONS AND
  • 00:27:37.270 --> 00:27:38.180
  • WORLDVIEWS.
  • 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:40.030
  • I MET A WOMAN ON THE STREET THE
  • 00:27:40.030 --> 00:27:40.290
  • OTHER DAY.
  • 00:27:41.010 --> 00:27:44.010
  • WE GOT IN A CONVERSATION.
  • 00:27:44.010 --> 00:27:44.200
  • SHE SAID I THINK RELIGION IS A
  • 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:45.260
  • GOOD THING.
  • 00:27:45.260 --> 00:27:47.090
  • I THINK ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE
  • 00:27:47.090 --> 00:27:48.020
  • SAME.
  • 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:49.040
  • IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:51.080
  • HAVE THAT MISCONCEPTION WHEN IT
  • 00:27:51.080 --> 00:27:53.100
  • IS JUST NOT TRUE.
  • 00:27:53.100 --> 00:27:54.200
  • THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL THINGS WE
  • 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.160
  • CARE ABOUT TAKE THE THEME OF
  • 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.160
  • LOVE, FOR INSTANCE.
  • 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.100
  • CHRISTIANITY IS RADICALLY
  • 00:28:00.100 --> 00:28:01.120
  • JESUS, WHILE WE WERE STILL
  • 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:05.090
  • SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US,
  • 00:28:05.090 --> 00:28:05.290
  • LOVE OF ALL HUMANKIND, WHETHER
  • 00:28:06.030 --> 00:28:09.030
  • THAT PERSON IS FOR HIM OR THAT
  • 00:28:09.030 --> 00:28:10.200
  • PERSON IS AGAINST HIM.
  • 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.090
  • THAT INCESSANT LOVE AND PURSUIT
  • 00:28:12.090 --> 00:28:13.200
  • ISLAM, THE KORAN, IS RADICALLY
  • 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.160
  • DIFFERENT.
  • 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.030
  • THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THE
  • 00:28:20.030 --> 00:28:21.060
  • KORAN SAYS THAT ALLAH HATES IS
  • 00:28:21.060 --> 00:28:23.160
  • MANY.
  • 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.050
  • IT IS SURPRISING.
  • 00:28:25.050 --> 00:28:26.100
  • - LEON: THE KORAN SAYS THAT IN
  • 00:28:26.100 --> 00:28:27.110
  • A LOT OF PLACES.
  • 00:28:27.110 --> 00:28:28.130
  • - VINCE: A LOT OF PLACES.
  • 00:28:28.130 --> 00:28:29.100
  • THE ONE THAT ALWAYS STRIKES ME
  • 00:28:29.100 --> 00:28:31.290
  • IS THE PRODIGAL.
  • 00:28:31.290 --> 00:28:34.040
  • IT SAYS ALLAH HATES THE
  • 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:35.140
  • PRODIGAL.
  • 00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:36.020
  • THE SAME PRODIGAL THAT OUR
  • 00:28:36.020 --> 00:28:37.140
  • LOVING FATHER GOES RUNNING AFTER
  • 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:40.050
  • WHEN HE SEES HIM OFF ON THE
  • 00:28:40.050 --> 00:28:40.250
  • HORIZON.
  • 00:28:40.250 --> 00:28:42.070
  • HE DOES NOT WAIT.
  • 00:28:42.070 --> 00:28:43.120
  • HE HIKES UP HIS ROBE.
  • 00:28:43.120 --> 00:28:44.110
  • HE SPRINTS AFTER HIM LIKE AN
  • 00:28:44.110 --> 00:28:45.190
  • EMBARRASSING FATHER.
  • 00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:47.090
  • AND HE THROWS HIS ARMS AROUND
  • 00:28:47.090 --> 00:28:48.000
  • HIM AND HE KISSES HIM, AND HE
  • 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:48.280
  • BRINGS HIM SANDALS FOR HIS FEET
  • 00:28:48.280 --> 00:28:50.240
  • AND THE BEST ROBE AND A RING ON
  • 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.190
  • HIS FINGER, AND COMPLETELY
  • 00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:53.080
  • DIFFERENT VIEWS OF LOVE.
  • 00:28:53.080 --> 00:28:55.230
  • AND IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
  • 00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:58.030
  • - LEON: OOH, THAT IS SO TRUE.
  • 00:28:58.030 --> 00:28:59.100
  • - VINCE: THE FUNDAMENTAL
  • 00:28:59.100 --> 00:29:00.080
  • BELIEFS ABOUT WHO YOU ARE
  • 00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:02.280
  • SUPPOSED TO LOVE.
  • 00:29:02.280 --> 00:29:04.080
  • HOW YOU ARE LOVED AND,
  • 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:05.100
  • THEREFORE, WHO YOU ARE SUPPOSED
  • 00:29:05.100 --> 00:29:06.240
  • TO LOVE.
  • 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.260
  • IF THOSE BELIEFS ARE ROOTED
  • 00:29:07.260 --> 00:29:09.190
  • DIFFERENTLY THE CONSEQUENCES ARE
  • 00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:10.110
  • GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
  • 00:29:10.110 --> 00:29:11.160
  • - RAVI: CAN I PUT A FOOTNOTE
  • 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.070
  • IN, THERE, LEON?
  • 00:29:12.070 --> 00:29:13.120
  • - LEON: PLEASE.
  • 00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:13.270
  • - RAVI: JUST A FEW SHORTS WEEKS
  • 00:29:13.270 --> 00:29:16.040
  • AGO I WAS IN MUMBAI, INDIA TO
  • 00:29:17.050 --> 00:29:20.050
  • SPEAK AT THE MOTHER TERESA AWARD
  • 00:29:20.050 --> 00:29:23.000
  • FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE, ESPECIALLY
  • 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:23.210
  • DEALING WITH THE SCOURGE OF
  • 00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:24.160
  • ALL OF THE SPEAKERS WERE EITHER
  • 00:29:28.130 --> 00:29:29.050
  • HINDU OR MUSLIM.
  • 00:29:29.050 --> 00:29:31.010
  • WITH A POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF ONE
  • 00:29:31.010 --> 00:29:31.230
  • WHO CAME FROM A POLITICAL
  • 00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:32.200
  • BACKGROUND AND CALLING FOR
  • 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.290
  • A WONDERFUL MAN, BUT HIS ROLE
  • 00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:37.100
  • WAS A POLITICIAN CALLING FOR
  • 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:38.040
  • HOW CAN WE GET ALONG WITH EACH
  • 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:38.250
  • OTHER.
  • 00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:40.050
  • HE DID A GOOD JOB.
  • 00:29:40.050 --> 00:29:41.140
  • I WAS THE ONLY ONE ASSIGNED AS
  • 00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:42.230
  • THE FINAL SPEAKER TO BRING THE
  • 00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:44.070
  • MESSAGE OF JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:29:46.060 --> 00:29:49.060
  • IT WAS A DAUNTING TASK.
  • 00:29:49.060 --> 00:29:50.260
  • YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO ANGLE INTO
  • 00:29:50.260 --> 00:29:51.180
  • IT YOU CANNOT COME DIRECTLY.
  • 00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:53.000
  • - LEON: YES.
  • 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.200
  • - RAVI: AND THE AUDIENCE IN THE
  • 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:55.120
  • FRONT ROW WERE SITTING LEADERS
  • 00:29:56.130 --> 00:29:59.130
  • FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE
  • 00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:00.040
  • EAST, PROMINENT LEADERS, AND IT
  • 00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:02.020
  • WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK
  • 00:30:02.020 --> 00:30:02.230
  • ON IT.
  • 00:30:02.230 --> 00:30:04.080
  • AND THERE WERE VICTIMS OF
  • 00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:05.110
  • TERRORISM THERE.
  • 00:30:05.110 --> 00:30:06.000
  • ONE MOTHER WHOSE SON HAD BEEN
  • 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.280
  • BRUTALLY MURDERED IN DHAKA.
  • 00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:11.020
  • AND THERE WERE THOSE FROM MUMBAI
  • 00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:11.240
  • WHO WERE IN THE HOTEL WHEN THE
  • 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.160
  • ATTACK HAD TAKEN PLACE A FEW
  • 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.090
  • YEARS AGO.
  • 00:30:15.090 --> 00:30:16.260
  • AND THEY ALL SPOKE ABOUT
  • 00:30:16.260 --> 00:30:18.290
  • EDUCATION THAT IS NEEDED,
  • 00:30:18.290 --> 00:30:21.170
  • COMMUNICATION THAT IS NEEDED.
  • 00:30:21.170 --> 00:30:23.200
  • BUT I ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE FROM
  • 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.040
  • A SINGLE QUESTION.
  • 00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:28.020
  • WE WILL NEVER FIND THE ANSWER
  • 00:30:28.020 --> 00:30:29.290
  • UNTIL WE FIRST DEFINE WHAT IT
  • 00:30:30.110 --> 00:30:33.110
  • MEANS TO BE HUMAN.
  • 00:30:33.110 --> 00:30:35.070
  • WHO ARE WE AS HUMAN BEINGS?
  • 00:30:35.070 --> 00:30:37.080
  • AND SO, I GAVE THE BIBLICAL
  • 00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:40.150
  • ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION FROM THE
  • 00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:43.030
  • CREATION AND THE INCARNATION AND
  • 00:30:43.030 --> 00:30:45.010
  • TRANSFORMATION TO CONSUMMATION.
  • 00:30:45.010 --> 00:30:48.010
  • WHAT IT IS THAT THE BIBLE REALLY
  • 00:30:48.010 --> 00:30:48.230
  • DEFINES US TO BE, ESPECIALLY
  • 00:30:49.080 --> 00:30:52.080
  • FROM THE CREATION POINT OF VIEW
  • 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:53.110
  • AND THE INCARNATION OF JESUS
  • 00:30:53.110 --> 00:30:54.260
  • CHRIST, IN THE ABSOLUTENESS OR
  • 00:30:54.260 --> 00:30:57.020
  • THE MORAL LAW, BUT THE SUPREMACY
  • 00:30:57.020 --> 00:30:58.040
  • OF LOVE.
  • 00:30:58.040 --> 00:30:59.240
  • DO YOU KNOW THAT THESE POLITICAL
  • 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.230
  • LEADERS, MANY OF THEM WERE
  • 00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:03.130
  • REACHING OUT TO ME AFTER I GOT
  • 00:31:03.130 --> 00:31:06.000
  • DOWN AND SAID, CAN WE HAVE YOUR
  • 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:06.280
  • CARD?
  • 00:31:06.280 --> 00:31:08.120
  • CAN WE HAVE YOU COME TO
  • 00:31:08.120 --> 00:31:09.040
  • AFGHANISTAN?
  • 00:31:09.040 --> 00:31:10.050
  • CAN WE HAVE YOU COME HERE?
  • 00:31:10.050 --> 00:31:11.120
  • CAN WE HAVE YOU COME TO SPEAK?
  • 00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:12.030
  • AND THE MOTHER OF THE YOUNG BOY
  • 00:31:12.030 --> 00:31:14.240
  • IN DHAKA, THIS IS A MUSLIM
  • 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.290
  • FAMILY, SHE HAS WRITTEN
  • 00:31:16.290 --> 00:31:18.260
  • BEAUTIFUL LETTERS TO ME AFTER
  • 00:31:18.260 --> 00:31:20.200
  • THAT AND HER OTHER SON.
  • 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:21.260
  • IT IS AN INCREDIBLE STORY.
  • 00:31:21.260 --> 00:31:23.190
  • WE NEED TO KNOW IN OUR OWN
  • 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:26.230
  • HEARTS THAT WHEN WE LOVINGLY
  • 00:31:26.230 --> 00:31:28.250
  • PRESENT THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:31:28.250 --> 00:31:31.190
  • THEY ARE WILLING TO LISTEN.
  • 00:31:31.190 --> 00:31:32.250
  • IT IS ONLY WHEN WE SORT OF-- MY
  • 00:31:32.250 --> 00:31:34.030
  • MOTHER USED TO SAY ONCE YOU CUT
  • 00:31:34.030 --> 00:31:35.230
  • OFF A PERSON'S NOSE, THERE IS NO
  • 00:31:35.230 --> 00:31:36.220
  • POINT GIVING THEM A ROSE TO
  • 00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:37.120
  • SMELL.
  • 00:31:37.120 --> 00:31:38.270
  • AND, YOU KNOW, THE LEADING SHI'A
  • 00:31:38.270 --> 00:31:40.180
  • CLERIC IN DAMASCUS, SHEIK
  • 00:31:41.270 --> 00:31:44.270
  • HUSSEIN, I HAVE HIS PERMISSION
  • 00:31:44.270 --> 00:31:47.000
  • TO QUOTE HIM BECAUSE I ASKED HIM
  • 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:47.270
  • AND HE SAID THIS.
  • 00:31:47.270 --> 00:31:49.140
  • WE HAD A LONG DIALOGUE IN FRONT
  • 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.130
  • OF AN AUDIENCE SOME YEARS AGO.
  • 00:31:51.130 --> 00:31:53.030
  • HE PAUSED AND LOOKED AT THE
  • 00:31:53.030 --> 00:31:55.030
  • AUDIENCE AND SHEIK HUSSEIN SAID
  • 00:31:55.030 --> 00:31:56.070
  • THIS.
  • 00:31:56.070 --> 00:31:58.090
  • "MAYBE IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO
  • 00:31:58.090 --> 00:31:59.200
  • THE MUSLIM WORLD TO STOP ASKING
  • 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.180
  • IF JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS AND
  • 00:32:01.180 --> 00:32:04.090
  • TO START ASKING WHY."
  • 00:32:04.090 --> 00:32:06.070
  • I SAID, "SHEIK HUSSEIN,
  • 00:32:06.070 --> 00:32:08.150
  • DO I HAVE YOUR PERMISSION TO
  • 00:32:08.150 --> 00:32:09.050
  • QUOTE YOU?"
  • 00:32:09.050 --> 00:32:11.230
  • HE SAID YES.
  • 00:32:11.230 --> 00:32:14.100
  • BUT SHORTLY AFTER THAT MUMBAI
  • 00:32:14.100 --> 00:32:15.130
  • WEEK I CAME BACK TO UNITED
  • 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:16.200
  • STATES AND ATLANTA WHERE I LIVE
  • 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.190
  • AND RETURNED ONE NIGHT TO MUMBAI
  • 00:32:19.190 --> 00:32:20.200
  • AGAIN, WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO
  • 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.150
  • SPEAK AT A CHRISTMAS GATHERING.
  • 00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:23.070
  • THREE-FOURTHS OF THEM WERE
  • 00:32:23.070 --> 00:32:25.250
  • NONCHRISTIANS, BUT THEY WERE
  • 00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:28.040
  • HIGHLY PLACED INDIVIDUALS.
  • 00:32:28.040 --> 00:32:29.290
  • INDIA IS CHANGING.
  • 00:32:29.290 --> 00:32:31.190
  • THE INTELLECTUALS IN INDIA ARE
  • 00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:33.060
  • ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
  • 00:32:33.060 --> 00:32:35.190
  • THEY COME FROM ALL KINDS OF
  • 00:32:35.190 --> 00:32:36.090
  • ONE MAN FROM THE LOCAL WORLDVIEW
  • 00:32:39.110 --> 00:32:40.030
  • LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW
  • 00:32:40.030 --> 00:32:40.250
  • WHAT?
  • 00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:42.020
  • I'D REALLY GIVEN UP HOPE.
  • 00:32:42.020 --> 00:32:44.060
  • I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO BE HONEST
  • 00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:44.290
  • WITH YOU.
  • 00:32:44.290 --> 00:32:46.030
  • WHEN YOU STOOD UP AND STARTED TO
  • 00:32:46.030 --> 00:32:48.260
  • SPEAK, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT
  • 00:32:48.260 --> 00:32:49.200
  • IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROGRAM.
  • 00:32:52.070 --> 00:32:52.270
  • HE SAID BUT WITHIN A MINUTE OR
  • 00:32:52.270 --> 00:32:54.030
  • TWO YOU HELD MY ATTENTION.
  • 00:32:54.030 --> 00:32:55.060
  • HE SAID, NOW I HAVE TO SAY TO
  • 00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:57.210
  • YOU THIS.
  • 00:32:57.210 --> 00:32:59.250
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAME HERE,
  • 00:32:59.250 --> 00:33:01.040
  • BUT I THINK I HAVE COME HERE
  • 00:33:01.040 --> 00:33:01.290
  • TONIGHT TO FIND GOD.
  • 00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:05.170
  • YOU KNOW, I WAS RAISED IN INDIA
  • 00:33:05.170 --> 00:33:06.090
  • UNTIL I WAS 20 YEARS OLD.
  • 00:33:06.090 --> 00:33:07.040
  • THOSE KINDS OF COMMENTS YOU
  • 00:33:07.040 --> 00:33:08.100
  • WOULD HARDLY EVER HEAR.
  • 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:10.000
  • IN FACT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK
  • 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.110
  • WITH FEAR AND TREPIDATION.
  • 00:33:11.110 --> 00:33:12.160
  • I GAVE THEM THE GOSPEL MESSAGE
  • 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:15.170
  • THAT NIGHT ON GOD IS AND WHY
  • 00:33:15.170 --> 00:33:16.120
  • JESUS.
  • 00:33:16.120 --> 00:33:17.200
  • IT'S A CHANGING WORLD.
  • 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.110
  • SO THE GOSPEL MAY BE FACING ITS
  • 00:33:20.110 --> 00:33:22.280
  • TOUGHEST TIMES, BUT ALSO ITS
  • 00:33:22.280 --> 00:33:25.020
  • GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES.
  • 00:33:25.020 --> 00:33:26.060
  • - LEON: I HAVE TO SAY THIS.
  • 00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:27.260
  • I HAVE WATCHED YOU FOR YEARS.
  • 00:33:27.260 --> 00:33:29.200
  • I LOVE THE CLIPS WHERE YOU ARE
  • 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.070
  • IN DIFFERENT CITIES OR
  • 00:33:32.070 --> 00:33:33.150
  • UNIVERSITIES.
  • 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:35.020
  • ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED
  • 00:33:35.020 --> 00:33:37.000
  • AND APPRECIATED ABOUT YOU -- WE
  • 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:37.220
  • USE THE WORD LOVE.
  • 00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:39.050
  • SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW-- I LOVE
  • 00:33:39.050 --> 00:33:41.140
  • PICKLES, I LOVE POODLES, I LOVE
  • 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:42.190
  • MY WIFE.
  • 00:33:42.190 --> 00:33:43.160
  • I LOVE GOD.
  • 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.080
  • WHEN YOU GET UP AND ADDRESS
  • 00:33:45.080 --> 00:33:46.160
  • SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH,
  • 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.010
  • YOU VALUE THEM.
  • 00:33:48.010 --> 00:33:49.270
  • THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM YOUR
  • 00:33:49.270 --> 00:33:50.290
  • MINISTRY, FROM OTHERS WHO I'VE
  • 00:33:50.290 --> 00:33:52.200
  • INTERVIEWED FROM YOUR MINISTRY.
  • 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.210
  • AND I THINK THAT'S HUGE.
  • 00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:54.280
  • BECAUSE OTHER TIMES I'M
  • 00:33:54.280 --> 00:33:55.260
  • EMBARRASSED BY MEN AND WOMEN WHO
  • 00:33:55.260 --> 00:33:58.150
  • DEFEND THE FAITH BY ATTACKING.
  • 00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:00.190
  • IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T VALUE THE
  • 00:34:00.190 --> 00:34:03.040
  • PERSON THEY ARE TALKING TO.
  • 00:34:03.040 --> 00:34:06.020
  • AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID
  • 00:34:06.020 --> 00:34:06.230
  • IN THE BOOK.
  • 00:34:06.230 --> 00:34:07.070
  • I FORGET WHICH OF YOU DID THIS
  • 00:34:07.070 --> 00:34:08.030
  • BECAUSE YOU GO BACK AND FORTH,
  • 00:34:08.030 --> 00:34:09.080
  • AND I LOVE THAT ABOUT THE BOOK,
  • 00:34:09.080 --> 00:34:10.090
  • BUT, THAT -- I JUST LOST MY
  • 00:34:10.090 --> 00:34:12.170
  • TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
  • 00:34:12.170 --> 00:34:14.200
  • BUT WE HAVE TO VALUE PEOPLE
  • 00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:16.210
  • BECAUSE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
  • 00:34:16.210 --> 00:34:18.060
  • ARE MORE CULTURAL.
  • 00:34:18.060 --> 00:34:19.260
  • IT'S NOT SO MUCH A BELIEF.
  • 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.170
  • WHEN YOU BEGIN TO COME AGAINST
  • 00:34:21.170 --> 00:34:22.270
  • SOMETHING IN ISLAM OR HINDUISM,
  • 00:34:22.270 --> 00:34:25.020
  • YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY
  • 00:34:25.020 --> 00:34:26.050
  • WERE RAISED, THEIR CHILDHOOD,
  • 00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:26.290
  • THEIR MOM, THEIR DAD, THEIR
  • 00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.140
  • FAMILY GET TOGETHERS, THAT IS
  • 00:34:28.140 --> 00:34:30.010
  • DEEP.
  • 00:34:30.010 --> 00:34:31.170
  • YOU ARE TOUCHING THEM IN A DEEP
  • 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:32.210
  • WAY.
  • 00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:33.050
  • - RAVI: YOU KNOW, VINCE DREW
  • 00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:34.280
  • OUT THE OUTLINE FOR THE BOOK.
  • 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.010
  • I THINK THIS IS OUR SECOND BOOK
  • 00:34:36.010 --> 00:34:36.270
  • WORKING TOGETHER.
  • 00:34:38.170 --> 00:34:41.170
  • IT IS A REAL HONOR TO WORK WITH
  • 00:34:41.170 --> 00:34:42.090
  • VINCE.
  • 00:34:42.090 --> 00:34:42.270
  • BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS THE PULSE
  • 00:34:42.270 --> 00:34:43.190
  • OF THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION
  • 00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:44.220
  • VERY WELL.
  • 00:34:44.220 --> 00:34:45.170
  • VINCE, WHY DON'T YOU TALK A
  • 00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:47.080
  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THESE
  • 00:34:47.080 --> 00:34:49.020
  • CHAPTER TITLES OR THE THEMES
  • 00:34:49.020 --> 00:34:51.070
  • WERE ADDRESSED IN RESPECTING THE
  • 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:52.290
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:34:52.290 --> 00:34:54.240
  • WE RESPECT THE QUESTIONER.
  • 00:34:55.130 --> 00:34:58.130
  • BUT I THINK VINCE'S OUTLINE AND
  • 00:34:58.130 --> 00:35:01.020
  • HE ASSIGNED FOR ME THE CHAPTERS
  • 00:35:01.020 --> 00:35:02.130
  • I WAS TO DO AND IT WORKED WELL.
  • 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:04.030
  • - VINCE: EVERY ONE OF THE
  • 00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:05.180
  • CHAPTERS, WE HAD SOMEONE IN
  • 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:06.140
  • MIND.
  • 00:35:06.140 --> 00:35:07.190
  • WE LIKE TO WRITE, SOMETIMES EVEN
  • 00:35:07.190 --> 00:35:08.180
  • WITH A VERY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL
  • 00:35:08.180 --> 00:35:09.270
  • IN MIND SO THE CHAPTER ON
  • 00:35:09.270 --> 00:35:12.100
  • SCIENTISM WE HAD SOMEONE IN MIND
  • 00:35:12.100 --> 00:35:13.250
  • WHO SAYS, I CAN'T BE A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:14.240
  • BECAUSE I'M A SCIENTIST.
  • 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:17.020
  • WE ARE ALWAYS TRY TO ADDRESS THE
  • 00:35:17.020 --> 00:35:17.240
  • INDIVIDUAL.
  • 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.280
  • I THINK IT GOES RIGHT TO THE
  • 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.180
  • HEART OF WHO THE CHRISTIAN GOD
  • 00:35:22.180 --> 00:35:24.020
  • IS.
  • 00:35:24.020 --> 00:35:25.180
  • EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING,
  • 00:35:25.180 --> 00:35:26.190
  • LEON.
  • 00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:28.050
  • WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE
  • 00:35:28.050 --> 00:35:28.220
  • INDIVIDUAL AND LOVE THE
  • 00:35:28.220 --> 00:35:29.150
  • INDIVIDUAL, EVEN WHILE WE ARE
  • 00:35:29.150 --> 00:35:30.160
  • EXPLAINING TRUTH.
  • 00:35:30.160 --> 00:35:33.140
  • CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY
  • 00:35:33.140 --> 00:35:36.120
  • WORLDVIEW WHERE TRUTH AND LOVE
  • 00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:38.080
  • ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
  • 00:35:38.080 --> 00:35:40.130
  • HERE IS WHY I SAY THAT: JESUS IS
  • 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:41.140
  • THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
  • 00:35:41.140 --> 00:35:43.180
  • JESUS IS TRUTH.
  • 00:35:43.180 --> 00:35:44.100
  • GOD IS TRUTH.
  • 00:35:44.100 --> 00:35:45.140
  • WE KNOW FROM THE BIBLE GOD IS
  • 00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:46.050
  • LOVE.
  • 00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:47.180
  • SO GOD IS TRUTH, AND GOD IS
  • 00:35:47.180 --> 00:35:49.270
  • LOVE.
  • 00:35:49.270 --> 00:35:51.210
  • THAT MEANS THAT TRUTH IS LOVE.
  • 00:35:51.210 --> 00:35:53.130
  • THERE IS NO DISTINCTION THERE
  • 00:35:53.130 --> 00:35:54.170
  • FOR THE CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:35:54.170 --> 00:35:56.090
  • THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
  • 00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:57.200
  • TRUTH WITHOUT LOVE IS NOT TRUTH.
  • 00:35:57.200 --> 00:35:58.290
  • LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH IS NOT LOVE.
  • 00:35:58.290 --> 00:36:00.260
  • AND WE ARE LIVING IN A SOCIETY
  • 00:36:00.260 --> 00:36:03.020
  • WE ARE BEING ASKED TO CHOOSE.
  • 00:36:03.020 --> 00:36:05.290
  • WE ARE BEING DEMANDED WE CHOOSE
  • 00:36:05.290 --> 00:36:07.140
  • BETWEEN THE TWO.
  • 00:36:07.140 --> 00:36:08.260
  • IT IS A CULTURAL ULTIMATUM.
  • 00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:10.000
  • EITHER YOU GO IN THE DIRECTION
  • 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.240
  • OF LOVE AND AS OXFORD ENGLISH
  • 00:36:11.240 --> 00:36:14.130
  • DICTIONARY PUT IT, THEIR WORD OF
  • 00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:16.070
  • THE YEAR FOR 2016 IS POST TRUTH.
  • 00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:17.150
  • THE ECONOMISTS ONLY A FEW WEEKS
  • 00:36:18.290 --> 00:36:21.290
  • BEFORE THAT SAID WE LIVE IN A
  • 00:36:21.290 --> 00:36:23.050
  • POST TRUTH SOCIETY.
  • 00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:23.210
  • SO WE JUST FOCUS ON LOVE.
  • 00:36:23.210 --> 00:36:24.100
  • WE FORGET ABOUT TRUTH.
  • 00:36:24.100 --> 00:36:25.180
  • WE BE NICE TO EVERYONE BUT WE
  • 00:36:25.180 --> 00:36:26.190
  • LOSE OUR GROUNDING IN
  • 00:36:26.190 --> 00:36:27.290
  • EVERYTHING.
  • 00:36:27.290 --> 00:36:30.160
  • OR WE CHOOSE TRUTH OVER LOVE.
  • 00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:32.010
  • WE FORGET THE INDIVIDUAL, TRUTH
  • 00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:33.210
  • IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHATEVER
  • 00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:35.030
  • SORT OF FORCE OR WHATEVER
  • 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:36.210
  • DISRESPECT IT TAKES TO HOLD ON
  • 00:36:36.210 --> 00:36:38.260
  • TO TRUTH, WE ARE WILLING TO
  • 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:39.210
  • ACCEPT IT.
  • 00:36:39.210 --> 00:36:41.090
  • THE CHRISTIAN REFUSES THAT
  • 00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:42.210
  • ULTIMATUM, AND HAS A LEGITIMATE
  • 00:36:42.210 --> 00:36:44.030
  • BASIS FOR DOING SO BECAUSE THE
  • 00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:45.230
  • CHRISTIAN GOD IS TRUTH AND IS
  • 00:36:45.230 --> 00:36:47.240
  • LOVE, THEREFORE, LOVE IS TRUTH
  • 00:36:47.240 --> 00:36:49.220
  • AND WE ALWAYS HOLD THE TWO
  • 00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:51.210
  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:36:51.210 --> 00:36:52.280
  • THAT IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN
  • 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.200
  • THIS BOOK.
  • 00:36:53.200 --> 00:36:55.130
  • WE TRY TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN
  • 00:36:55.130 --> 00:36:56.220
  • MIND WITH EACH OF THE CHAPTERS;
  • 00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:58.100
  • SCIENTISM, THE PERSON WHO SAYS I
  • 00:36:58.100 --> 00:36:59.130
  • CAN'T BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE I'M
  • 00:36:59.130 --> 00:37:00.230
  • A SCIENTIST.
  • 00:37:00.230 --> 00:37:02.090
  • HEDONISM, THE PERSON WHO SAYS
  • 00:37:02.090 --> 00:37:04.060
  • WHATEVER MAKES ME HAPPY.
  • 00:37:04.060 --> 00:37:05.210
  • THAT IS WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT
  • 00:37:05.210 --> 00:37:06.260
  • IN LIFE.
  • 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:08.090
  • HUMANISM WHO SAYS HUMANITY IS
  • 00:37:08.090 --> 00:37:09.180
  • THE MEASURE OF ALL THINGS,
  • 00:37:09.180 --> 00:37:11.140
  • RELATIVISM, THE PERSON WHO SAYS
  • 00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:12.210
  • THAT MAY BE TRUE FOR YOU, BUT
  • 00:37:12.210 --> 00:37:14.290
  • THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR ME.
  • 00:37:14.290 --> 00:37:15.170
  • WITH EACH PERSON, WITH EACH
  • 00:37:15.220 --> 00:37:18.220
  • CHAPTER WE HAVE A PHRASE WE HAVE
  • 00:37:18.220 --> 00:37:20.250
  • ACTUALLY HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN
  • 00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:22.030
  • MIND AND WE ARE TRYING TO
  • 00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:23.080
  • RESPOND IN LOVE AND IN TRUTH.
  • 00:37:23.080 --> 00:37:24.180
  • - RAVI: ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:37:24.180 --> 00:37:25.260
  • FASCINATING CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK
  • 00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:27.190
  • IS THIS ONE ON SCIENCE, LEON.
  • 00:37:27.190 --> 00:37:30.080
  • I THINK IF THERE IS A YOUNGER
  • 00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:31.190
  • AUDIENCE LISTENING THERE, I KNOW
  • 00:37:31.190 --> 00:37:32.110
  • YOU ARE BOMBARDED WITH THIS
  • 00:37:32.110 --> 00:37:33.270
  • MATERIALISTIC FRAMEWORK THAT
  • 00:37:33.270 --> 00:37:35.230
  • SCIENCE IS SORT OF THE QUEEN OF
  • 00:37:35.230 --> 00:37:36.190
  • THE DISCIPLINES, AND WE HAVE A
  • 00:37:36.190 --> 00:37:38.200
  • SCIENTIFIC SINGLE VISION FOR THE
  • 00:37:38.200 --> 00:37:39.190
  • FUTURE OF THIS UNIVERSE, SCIENCE
  • 00:37:39.190 --> 00:37:41.290
  • IS WHERE IT ALL IS TRUE.
  • 00:37:42.060 --> 00:37:45.060
  • VINCE'S CHAPTER ON SCIENCE IS
  • 00:37:45.060 --> 00:37:46.060
  • REALLY WORTH THE PRICE OF THE
  • 00:37:46.060 --> 00:37:46.270
  • BOOK.
  • 00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:48.260
  • I, MYSELF, WHEN I READ IT, IT IS
  • 00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:49.180
  • BOTH POWERFULLY, RELEVANTLY
  • 00:37:49.180 --> 00:37:52.050
  • DEALT WITH, AND THE INTELLECTUAL
  • 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.010
  • CONTENT IS NOT COMPROMISED IN
  • 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:55.290
  • THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THE
  • 00:37:55.290 --> 00:37:58.170
  • DISCIPLINE IN ITS RIGHT PLACE.
  • 00:37:58.170 --> 00:38:01.040
  • SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN YOUR
  • 00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:01.290
  • HOME, ESPECIALLY A YOUNG
  • 00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:04.070
  • STUDENT, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
  • 00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:05.290
  • GET THAT BOOK FOR THAT CHAPTER
  • 00:38:05.290 --> 00:38:07.190
  • ALONE, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO
  • 00:38:07.190 --> 00:38:08.220
  • BE BOMBARDED WITH THIS
  • 00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:10.040
  • MATERIALISTIC FRAMEWORK THAT THE
  • 00:38:10.040 --> 00:38:12.040
  • SPIRITUAL IDEAS ARE ALL FOR THE
  • 00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:14.090
  • DREAMERS AND THE TOOTH FAIRY
  • 00:38:14.090 --> 00:38:15.000
  • CROWD.
  • 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.000
  • YOU KNOW, THE RICHARD DAWKINS'
  • 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.120
  • TYPE OF ATTACK, HE IS A
  • 00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:19.190
  • SCIENTIST, THOSE OF US WHO
  • 00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:21.290
  • BELIEVE IN GOD HAVE SORT OF
  • 00:38:21.290 --> 00:38:23.130
  • CHECKED OUR BRAINS AT THE DOOR.
  • 00:38:23.130 --> 00:38:25.180
  • THAT CHAPTER VINCE HAS BROUGHT
  • 00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:26.090
  • TO LIGHT SO WELL.
  • 00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:27.200
  • IN FACT, IN THE INITIAL REVIEWS,
  • 00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:30.020
  • I ALREADY NOTICED A HANDFUL OF
  • 00:38:30.020 --> 00:38:32.210
  • THEM REFERRING TO THAT CHAPTER.
  • 00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:35.010
  • BECAUSE THAT IS THE ISM THAT IS
  • 00:38:35.080 --> 00:38:38.080
  • THREATENING THE WHOLE
  • 00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:40.210
  • TRANSCENDENT WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:42.200
  • SO I GREATLY ENCOURAGE THE
  • 00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:43.090
  • READER TO GET THAT.
  • 00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:44.030
  • - VINCE: IT IS REALLY
  • 00:38:44.030 --> 00:38:44.200
  • ENCOURAGING, RAVI, AND IT ONE OF
  • 00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:46.220
  • THE TOPICS THAT I MOST ENJOY
  • 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:47.150
  • WRITING ON AND SPEAKING ON
  • 00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:49.000
  • BECAUSE, NOT ONLY DOES SCIENCE
  • 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.280
  • DISPROVE GOD, BUT SCIENCE POINTS
  • 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.200
  • STRONGLY TO THE EXISTENCE OF
  • 00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:54.280
  • GOD.
  • 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.020
  • - LEON: SO GOOD.
  • 00:38:56.020 --> 00:38:57.150
  • - VINCE: I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO
  • 00:38:57.150 --> 00:38:58.070
  • ASK A COSMOLOGIST, WHAT ARE THE
  • 00:38:58.070 --> 00:39:00.080
  • TWO MOST SIGNIFICANT DISCOVERIES
  • 00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:01.220
  • OF THE LAST ONE HUNDRED YEARS,
  • 00:39:01.220 --> 00:39:03.270
  • THEY WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT THE
  • 00:39:03.270 --> 00:39:06.070
  • UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINNING.
  • 00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:07.250
  • WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THAT?
  • 00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:09.090
  • RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
  • 00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:10.050
  • BIBLE.
  • 00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:11.160
  • RIGHT IN GENESIS.
  • 00:39:11.160 --> 00:39:12.240
  • AND SECONDLY, THAT THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:15.190
  • IS INCREDIBLY FINELY DESIGNED
  • 00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:18.050
  • FOR LIFE.
  • 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:20.000
  • THERE ARE MANY WAYS THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:20.260
  • COULD HAVE BEEN WHERE LIFE NEVER
  • 00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:21.180
  • WOULD HAVE EMERGED, BUT THERE IS
  • 00:39:21.180 --> 00:39:23.100
  • ONE VERY TINY WAY IT COULD HAVE
  • 00:39:23.100 --> 00:39:25.060
  • BEEN WHERE LIFE WOULD HAVE
  • 00:39:25.060 --> 00:39:25.280
  • EMERGED.
  • 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.090
  • WHAT MIGHT EXPLAIN THAT?
  • 00:39:27.090 --> 00:39:28.120
  • MAYBE A GOD WHO DESIRED TO BRING
  • 00:39:28.120 --> 00:39:30.050
  • INTO EXISTENCE RELATIONAL BEINGS
  • 00:39:30.050 --> 00:39:31.280
  • WHO HE COULD GET TO KNOW.
  • 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.080
  • SO, IT IS VERY EXCITING TO BE
  • 00:39:34.080 --> 00:39:36.020
  • ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT AND DISPEL
  • 00:39:36.020 --> 00:39:37.290
  • A RUMOR THAT SCIENCE DISPROVES
  • 00:39:37.290 --> 00:39:38.270
  • GOD.
  • 00:39:38.270 --> 00:39:41.060
  • SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK, WELL, WE
  • 00:39:41.060 --> 00:39:41.280
  • USED TO NEED GOD TO EXPLAIN
  • 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.020
  • THINGS, BUT NOW WE HAVE NATURAL
  • 00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:45.280
  • SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATIONS OF
  • 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.100
  • THUNDERSTORMS AND TORNADOES AND
  • 00:39:47.100 --> 00:39:48.120
  • LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:39:48.120 --> 00:39:51.010
  • AND, FOR SOME REASON, PEOPLE
  • 00:39:51.010 --> 00:39:52.050
  • THINK THAT'S GOING TO DISPLACE
  • 00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:53.040
  • GOD.
  • 00:39:53.040 --> 00:39:54.280
  • BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY GOD
  • 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:55.200
  • IS A WONDERFUL DESIGNER.
  • 00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:57.170
  • HE IS A GREAT ENGINEER.
  • 00:39:57.170 --> 00:39:59.120
  • AND WHEN WE FIND A SCIENTIFIC
  • 00:39:59.120 --> 00:40:00.030
  • REGULAR NATURAL PROCESS FOR
  • 00:40:00.030 --> 00:40:02.110
  • SOMETHING, THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME
  • 00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:05.170
  • THINK WE DON'T NEED GOD, THAT
  • 00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:06.080
  • MAKES ME THINK, WOW!
  • 00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:07.080
  • MY GOD IS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL
  • 00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:08.000
  • ENGINEER.
  • 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.060
  • HE DOES NOT NEED TO ALWAYS KEEP
  • 00:40:09.060 --> 00:40:10.060
  • STEPPING IN TO FIX THINGS.
  • 00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:11.200
  • BUT HE DOES STEP IN IN
  • 00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:13.030
  • MIRACULOUS WAYS IN ORDER TO
  • 00:40:13.030 --> 00:40:15.040
  • SPEAK PERSONALLY TO US AND TO
  • 00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:17.140
  • INVITE US INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH
  • 00:40:17.140 --> 00:40:18.090
  • HIM.
  • 00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:18.270
  • - LEON: I LOVE WHEN YOU WERE
  • 00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:19.180
  • TALKING ABOUT THAT, I LOVE HOW
  • 00:40:19.180 --> 00:40:21.010
  • YOU SAID, THE IDEAS THAT SOME OF
  • 00:40:21.010 --> 00:40:23.000
  • THESE MEN WHO DON'T AGREE WITH
  • 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.220
  • GOD, BUT THEY ARE FINE WITH
  • 00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:26.270
  • ANOTHER UNIVERSE COMING IN AND
  • 00:40:26.270 --> 00:40:28.270
  • SECEDING THIS ONE, OR SOME KIND
  • 00:40:28.270 --> 00:40:31.250
  • OF UFO CAME, AND LIKE, THEY HAVE
  • 00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:33.110
  • OTHER BELIEFS THAT ARE MORE, TO
  • 00:40:33.110 --> 00:40:34.190
  • ME, MORE RIDICULOUS THAN BELIEVE
  • 00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:37.050
  • INNING GOD.
  • 00:40:37.050 --> 00:40:38.130
  • - VINCE: IT'S TRUE.
  • 00:40:38.130 --> 00:40:39.250
  • THERE IS AN INTERVIEW I DISCUSS
  • 00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:40.270
  • IN THE BOOK IN WHICH RICHARD
  • 00:40:40.270 --> 00:40:43.100
  • DAWKINS HIMSELF SAYS THAT IT'S A
  • 00:40:43.100 --> 00:40:45.280
  • VERY INTERESTING IDEA, THE IDEA
  • 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.130
  • THAT OUR UNIVERSE MAY HAVE BEEN
  • 00:40:47.130 --> 00:40:49.210
  • CEDED BY ANOTHER LIFE FORM IN
  • 00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:52.080
  • SOME OTHER UNIVERSE.
  • 00:40:52.080 --> 00:40:55.020
  • I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT WHEN I
  • 00:40:55.020 --> 00:40:55.250
  • CAME ACROSS THIS INTERVIEW.
  • 00:40:55.250 --> 00:40:56.250
  • I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE,
  • 00:40:56.250 --> 00:40:58.110
  • RICHARD DAWKINS IS NOT AGAINST
  • 00:40:58.110 --> 00:41:00.200
  • INTELLIGENT DESIGN, HE IS
  • 00:41:00.200 --> 00:41:01.210
  • AGAINST DIVINE DESIGN.
  • 00:41:01.210 --> 00:41:04.000
  • - LEON: EXACTLY.
  • 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:04.150
  • - VINCE: A SPECIFIC BIAS
  • 00:41:04.150 --> 00:41:05.230
  • AGAINST THE DIVINE PORTION OF
  • 00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:06.250
  • EVEN THOUGH EVEN HE CAN SEE THAT
  • 00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:07.200
  • INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS A
  • 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:09.090
  • PLAUSIBLE NOTION.
  • 00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:11.070
  • - RAVI: I REMEMBER AT AN OPEN
  • 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:11.280
  • FORUM IN JAKARTA, A FELLOW STOOD
  • 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.010
  • UP TO ME AND SAID, I CAN SEE THE
  • 00:41:14.010 --> 00:41:16.120
  • DAY WHEN HUMAN BEINGS WILL BE
  • 00:41:17.090 --> 00:41:20.090
  • ABLE TO DESIGN LIFE AND BRING
  • 00:41:20.090 --> 00:41:21.000
  • AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHAT WILL
  • 00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:26.050
  • YOU SAY TO THEM?
  • 00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:26.190
  • I WILL JUST SAY TO THEM THAT IT
  • 00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:27.290
  • PROVED IT TOOK INTELLIGENCE TO
  • 00:41:27.290 --> 00:41:29.090
  • BRING LIFE.
  • 00:41:29.090 --> 00:41:29.260
  • THE VERY STARTING POINT.
  • 00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:33.190
  • - LEON: WE WILL TAKE A QUICK
  • 00:41:38.210 --> 00:41:39.120
  • BREAK RIGHT HERE.
  • 00:41:39.120 --> 00:41:39.270
  • I WANT TO COME BACK BECAUSE THIS
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  • BOOK, IT'S CALLED "JESUS AMONG
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  • SECULAR GODS,"
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  • WELL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
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  • JESUS AMONG SECULAR GODS, WE
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  • WERE CHATTING A LITTLE BIT OFF
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  • SET THAT SECULAR GODS, YEARS AND
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  • YEARS AND YEARS AGO THEY WOULD
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  • CARVE THEM OUT OF A TREE OR A
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  • 00:44:09.230 --> 00:44:11.260
  • AMONG SECULAR GODS WHEN YOU TALK
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  • ABOUT THE ISMS, IN A WAY THEY
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  • LOOK TO THEM FOR THEIR ENTIRE
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  • DEFINITION OF LIFE, WORLDVIEW,
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  • ET CETERA.
  • 00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:22.050
  • LET'S DIVE INTO SOME OF THESE
  • 00:44:22.050 --> 00:44:23.030
  • CHAPTERS.
  • 00:44:23.030 --> 00:44:24.080
  • I KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO NEED
  • 00:44:24.080 --> 00:44:24.290
  • THE BOOK BECAUSE ALL WE ARE
  • 00:44:24.290 --> 00:44:25.190
  • GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TEASE
  • 00:44:25.190 --> 00:44:26.170
  • EACH CHAPTER.
  • 00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:27.050
  • WHERE DO YOU GUYS WANT TO START?
  • 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:28.050
  • JUST DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT.
  • 00:44:28.050 --> 00:44:29.080
  • - RAVI: I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER,
  • 00:44:29.080 --> 00:44:31.110
  • VINCE, WERE THOSE THEMES GIVEN
  • 00:44:31.110 --> 00:44:33.120
  • TO US BY OUR PUBLISHER?
  • 00:44:33.120 --> 00:44:35.060
  • OR DID YOU LOOK AT WHICH WAS
  • 00:44:35.060 --> 00:44:37.260
  • MOST IMPORTANT IN THESE?
  • 00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:38.270
  • - VINCE: HE SUGGESTED AND WE
  • 00:44:38.270 --> 00:44:39.180
  • REWORKED SOME OF THEM.
  • 00:44:39.180 --> 00:44:40.120
  • - RAVI: AND DID THEM IN
  • 00:44:40.120 --> 00:44:41.010
  • PRIORITY.
  • 00:44:41.010 --> 00:44:42.170
  • THE OPENING ONE I THINK VINCE
  • 00:44:42.170 --> 00:44:43.080
  • ASKED ME TO ADDRESS WAS ON
  • 00:44:43.080 --> 00:44:44.140
  • ATHEISM.
  • 00:44:44.140 --> 00:44:45.080
  • I'VE DONE A LOT OF WRITING ON
  • 00:44:45.080 --> 00:44:47.290
  • THAT IN MY PREVIOUS BOOKS, "CAN
  • 00:44:47.290 --> 00:44:49.100
  • MAN LIVE WITHOUT GOD," WHICH IS
  • 00:44:49.100 --> 00:44:50.220
  • A 3-FOLD LECTURE.
  • 00:44:50.220 --> 00:44:53.020
  • THE VENUE WAS HARVARD LAW SCHOOL
  • 00:44:53.020 --> 00:44:56.020
  • IN THE EARLY 90'S WITH THE
  • 00:44:56.020 --> 00:44:57.210
  • VERITAS FORUM, AND I'VE ALSO
  • 00:44:57.210 --> 00:44:59.010
  • DONE "THE REAL FACE OF ATHEISM,"
  • 00:44:59.010 --> 00:45:01.190
  • AND I'VE ADDRESSED ATHEISM IN
  • 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:03.040
  • I TOOK SOME FRESH INSIGHTS IN
  • 00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:08.270
  • DEALING WITH THE STRUGGLE FOR
  • 00:45:08.270 --> 00:45:09.180
  • ATHEISM.
  • 00:45:10.250 --> 00:45:13.250
  • I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL
  • 00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:15.060
  • MYSELF A RIGOROUS ATHEIST.
  • 00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:16.090
  • I WAS SUDDENLY A NONTHEIST
  • 00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:17.230
  • I LIVED AS THOUGH THERE WERE NO
  • 00:45:20.010 --> 00:45:20.230
  • GOD.
  • 00:45:20.230 --> 00:45:21.050
  • THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IN
  • 00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:22.230
  • LIFE WILL DURANT SAID, IS REALLY
  • 00:45:22.230 --> 00:45:25.130
  • NOT EAST VERSUS WEST, COMMUNISM
  • 00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:27.010
  • VERSUS CAPITALISM, NORTH VERSUS
  • 00:45:27.010 --> 00:45:29.120
  • SOUTH.
  • 00:45:29.120 --> 00:45:31.080
  • HE SAID THE MOST IMPORTANT
  • 00:45:31.080 --> 00:45:32.070
  • QUESTION FOR A TIME THAT IS
  • 00:45:32.070 --> 00:45:33.160
  • GOING TO BE ASKED IS, "CAN MAN
  • 00:45:33.160 --> 00:45:35.040
  • LIVE WITHOUT GOD?"
  • 00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:37.100
  • WE HAVE IN THE WEST BASICALLY
  • 00:45:37.100 --> 00:45:38.160
  • EXPELLED GOD FROM THE ACADEMIC
  • 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:41.240
  • ARENA AND IN OUR INTELLECTUAL
  • 00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:43.090
  • DEBATE.
  • 00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:45.200
  • SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, WHAT
  • 00:45:45.200 --> 00:45:47.000
  • ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT EMERGE?
  • 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.270
  • WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND OUR
  • 00:45:49.270 --> 00:45:51.060
  • MORAL ABSOLUTES?
  • 00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:53.130
  • WHAT IS GOING TO BE OUR PROCESS
  • 00:45:53.130 --> 00:45:55.190
  • GERTRUDE HIMMELFARB IN HER BOOK
  • 00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:00.290
  • "THE ROADS TO MODERNITY," SHE
  • 00:46:00.290 --> 00:46:03.140
  • USED TO BE A PROFESSOR AND STILL
  • 00:46:03.140 --> 00:46:04.090
  • IS A PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT
  • 00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:04.290
  • COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN NEW YORK.
  • 00:46:04.290 --> 00:46:07.150
  • SHE HAS A FASCINATING CHAPTER IN
  • 00:46:07.150 --> 00:46:08.280
  • HER BOOK.
  • 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.270
  • SHE SAID, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
  • 00:46:10.270 --> 00:46:13.010
  • FRANCE ON THE ONE HAND AND
  • 00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:14.160
  • ENGLAND AND UNITED STATES ON THE
  • 00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:17.100
  • OTHER HAND IN THE WAY PHILOSOPHY
  • 00:46:17.100 --> 00:46:19.210
  • PLAYED ITS ROLE INTO OUR MODERN
  • 00:46:19.210 --> 00:46:21.090
  • TIMES, SHE SAID, FOR THE FRENCH
  • 00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:23.030
  • PHILOSOPHES REASONING WAS
  • 00:46:23.030 --> 00:46:25.250
  • SUPREME.
  • 00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:27.040
  • EVERYTHING WAS BUILT ON THE
  • 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:28.100
  • FOUNDATION OF REASONING.
  • 00:46:28.100 --> 00:46:30.200
  • HENCE, YOU KNOW, THE STORMING OF
  • 00:46:30.200 --> 00:46:31.250
  • THE BASTILLE AND THE WRITERS
  • 00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:33.190
  • LIKE ROBESPIERRE AND VOLTARE AND
  • 00:46:33.190 --> 00:46:36.010
  • ALL THAT BLEW THE LID OVER AND
  • 00:46:36.010 --> 00:46:37.230
  • KNOCKED GOD OUT OF THE ARENA.
  • 00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:40.190
  • AND FRANCE TODAY IS PRINCIPALLY
  • 00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:42.120
  • NOT ONLY ANTI THEISTIC, IT MOCKS
  • 00:46:43.010 --> 00:46:46.010
  • THE IDEA OF A TRANSCENDENT
  • 00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:47.030
  • WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:46:47.030 --> 00:46:48.220
  • YET, IF YOU GO BACK INTO THE
  • 00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:50.050
  • EARLY DAYS, THEIR OWN THINKERS
  • 00:46:50.050 --> 00:46:52.120
  • WOULD COME TO THE UNITED STATES
  • 00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:53.260
  • AND SAY, WHAT MADE THE UNITED
  • 00:46:53.260 --> 00:46:54.260
  • STATES UNIQUE WAS THEIR FAITH,
  • 00:46:54.260 --> 00:46:56.090
  • THEIR BELIEF IN GOD.
  • 00:46:56.090 --> 00:46:58.250
  • WHEN YOU TAKE FRANCE ON THE ONE
  • 00:46:58.250 --> 00:47:00.030
  • HAND AND THE UNITED KINGDOM AND
  • 00:47:00.030 --> 00:47:01.250
  • AMERICA ON THE OTHER HAND, SAID
  • 00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:03.170
  • GERTRUDE HIMMELFARB, FOR THE
  • 00:47:03.170 --> 00:47:05.200
  • ENGLISH AND THE AMERICANS,
  • 00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:07.210
  • REASONING WAS NOT AT THE
  • 00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:10.070
  • FOUNDATION; IT WAS MORAL
  • 00:47:10.070 --> 00:47:12.230
  • REASONING THAT WAS OF THE
  • 00:47:12.230 --> 00:47:13.150
  • FOUNDATION.
  • 00:47:13.150 --> 00:47:15.080
  • IT'S A REMARKABLE STATEMENT.
  • 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:17.290
  • AND SHE HAS A WHOLE CHAPTER
  • 00:47:17.290 --> 00:47:19.080
  • THERE ON JOHN WESLEY AND THE
  • 00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:20.260
  • SECOND EVANGELICAL WAKENING AND
  • 00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:22.030
  • ALL THAT.
  • 00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:24.010
  • SHE SAID IN THE TALKS OF WESLEY
  • 00:47:24.010 --> 00:47:26.260
  • AND WHITFIELD, MORAL REASONING
  • 00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:28.260
  • CAME FROM GOD.
  • 00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:29.260
  • MORALITY, THE POINT OF REFERENCE
  • 00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:32.060
  • FOR THE ABSOLUTES.
  • 00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:33.030
  • RIGHT FROM WRONG.
  • 00:47:33.030 --> 00:47:34.030
  • GOOD AND EVIL.
  • 00:47:34.030 --> 00:47:35.160
  • HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT OUR LAWS.
  • 00:47:35.160 --> 00:47:37.140
  • SO, FOR ME, THAT CHAPTER ON
  • 00:47:37.140 --> 00:47:39.020
  • ATHEISM IS CRITICAL TO KNOW, IF
  • 00:47:39.020 --> 00:47:41.170
  • WE THROW GOD OUT, IF WE ABANDON
  • 00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:43.160
  • GOD, WHAT IS IT THAT
  • 00:47:43.160 --> 00:47:46.020
  • G.K. CHESTERTON WENT ON TO SAY?
  • 00:47:46.020 --> 00:47:48.230
  • THE PROBLEM OF DISBELIEF IN GOD
  • 00:47:48.230 --> 00:47:50.130
  • IS NOT THAT A PERSON MAY END UP
  • 00:47:50.130 --> 00:47:52.200
  • BELIEVING IN NOTHING, THE
  • 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:55.200
  • PROBLEM IS THAT A PERSON MAY END
  • 00:47:55.200 --> 00:47:56.210
  • UP BELIEVING IN ANYTHING.
  • 00:47:56.210 --> 00:47:59.050
  • AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:47:59.050 --> 00:48:00.050
  • SO MY CHAPTER ON ATHEISM LED
  • 00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:01.210
  • OFF, AND I THINK YOU FOLLOWED IT
  • 00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:03.130
  • UP WITH PLURALISM OR HEDONISM.
  • 00:48:04.130 --> 00:48:07.130
  • - VINCE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:08.230
  • I FOLLOWED WITH SCIENTISM.
  • 00:48:08.230 --> 00:48:09.120
  • I SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:10.090
  • HEDONISM.
  • 00:48:10.090 --> 00:48:11.200
  • I CAN SPEAK TO.
  • 00:48:11.200 --> 00:48:12.070
  • THIS ONE THAT WAS PERSONAL FOR
  • 00:48:12.070 --> 00:48:13.010
  • ME TO SPEAK TO.
  • 00:48:13.010 --> 00:48:14.200
  • BEFORE I WAS A CHRISTIAN THIS IS
  • 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:17.020
  • PROBABLY THE WORLDVIEW I WOULD
  • 00:48:17.020 --> 00:48:18.000
  • MOST LIKELY HAVE FALLEN INTO AND
  • 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.140
  • PROBABLY TRUE FOR MANY PEOPLE,
  • 00:48:20.140 --> 00:48:22.110
  • TOO.
  • 00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:23.270
  • IF YOU DON'T MAKE AN INFORMED
  • 00:48:23.270 --> 00:48:25.160
  • DECISION ABOUT WHO AND WHAT YOU
  • 00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:27.120
  • ARE GOING TO FOLLOW, YOU WIND UP
  • 00:48:27.120 --> 00:48:28.040
  • BEING A HEDONIST.
  • 00:48:28.040 --> 00:48:29.180
  • NEVER HAVING MADE A DECISION
  • 00:48:29.180 --> 00:48:32.040
  • ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
  • 00:48:32.040 --> 00:48:33.180
  • OF LIFE BUT FALLING INTO A
  • 00:48:33.180 --> 00:48:35.220
  • TRAJECTORY WHERE YOU'RE JUST
  • 00:48:35.220 --> 00:48:37.040
  • SEEKING PLEASURE.
  • 00:48:37.040 --> 00:48:37.210
  • - LEON: DO WHAT FEELS GOOD.
  • 00:48:37.210 --> 00:48:38.110
  • - VINCE: ANYWHERE THAT YOU CAN
  • 00:48:38.110 --> 00:48:39.100
  • FIND IT.
  • 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:40.150
  • FRIEDRICH NIETZCHE, THE ATHEIST
  • 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:41.190
  • PHILOSOPHER SAID IF THERE WERE
  • 00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:42.240
  • GODS, HOW COULD I BEAR NOT TO BE
  • 00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:43.230
  • A GOD?
  • 00:48:44.150 --> 00:48:47.150
  • AND THAT IS A LINE THAT ALWAYS
  • 00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:48.060
  • RESONATED WITH THE PERSON I WAS
  • 00:48:48.060 --> 00:48:49.100
  • BEFORE I BECAME A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:48:49.220 --> 00:48:52.220
  • I WANTED TO BE IN CONTROL.
  • 00:48:52.220 --> 00:48:53.230
  • SOREN KIERKEGAARD,
  • 00:48:53.230 --> 00:48:54.080
  • EXISTENTIALIST PHILOSOPHER SAID,
  • 00:48:54.080 --> 00:48:55.050
  • IF I ASK FOR A GLASS OF WATER,
  • 00:48:55.050 --> 00:48:56.130
  • EVEN IF YOU BRING ME A BETTER
  • 00:48:56.130 --> 00:48:57.210
  • DRINK, I WILL BE INDIGNANT THAT
  • 00:48:57.210 --> 00:48:59.020
  • I DIDN'T GET THE GLASS OF WATER.
  • 00:48:59.020 --> 00:49:01.100
  • JUST WANTS TO BE IN CONTROL.
  • 00:49:01.100 --> 00:49:04.060
  • AND THAT WAS ME.
  • 00:49:04.210 --> 00:49:07.210
  • WE SEEK THAT IN HEDONISM.
  • 00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:08.190
  • THE REALITY IS, THOSE WHO HAVE
  • 00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:09.100
  • BEEN MOST SUCCESSFUL AS
  • 00:49:09.100 --> 00:49:10.220
  • HEDONISTS WHO HAVE REACHED THE
  • 00:49:10.220 --> 00:49:12.050
  • HEIGHTS OF PLEASURE IN ALL
  • 00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:15.070
  • THE RESPECTS OUR WORLD TELLS
  • 00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:15.270
  • US WE SHOULD, THEY WILL TELL US,
  • 00:49:15.270 --> 00:49:17.150
  • IT DOESN'T WORK.
  • 00:49:17.150 --> 00:49:19.150
  • ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASK IN
  • 00:49:19.150 --> 00:49:20.260
  • THAT CHAPTER IS, IF WE ARE
  • 00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:22.230
  • LOOKING FOR SECURITY IN OUR
  • 00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:24.220
  • IDENTITY, WE NEED SOMETHING
  • 00:49:24.220 --> 00:49:27.220
  • WHICH WILL ALWAYS BE TRUE OF US.
  • 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:30.160
  • IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT US THAT
  • 00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:32.120
  • COULD NEVER CHANGE?
  • 00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:34.060
  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE GOD
  • 00:49:34.060 --> 00:49:36.020
  • IN YOUR LIFE, IT'S VERY
  • 00:49:36.020 --> 00:49:37.060
  • DIFFICULT TO THINK OF ANYTHING.
  • 00:49:37.060 --> 00:49:38.040
  • EVERY ATOM IN YOUR BODY WILL
  • 00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:40.190
  • CHANGE IN THE NEXT 7 YEARS.
  • 00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:42.140
  • YOUR HAPPINESS, YOUR PLEASURE,
  • 00:49:42.140 --> 00:49:43.260
  • THAT WILL FLUCTUATE, GO UP AND
  • 00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:45.060
  • DOWN.
  • 00:49:45.060 --> 00:49:46.030
  • YOUR RELATIONSHIPS, THEY WILL
  • 00:49:46.030 --> 00:49:46.290
  • FLUCTUATE.
  • 00:49:46.290 --> 00:49:48.090
  • YOUR WEALTH WILL FLUCTUATE.
  • 00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:49.070
  • IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT US, YOUR
  • 00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:51.110
  • INTELLIGENCE, THAT IS GOING TO
  • 00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:52.110
  • CHANGE.
  • 00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:52.270
  • IS THERE ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT
  • 00:49:52.270 --> 00:49:54.230
  • CHANGE?
  • 00:49:54.230 --> 00:49:55.110
  • AND THE LOVE OF THE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:56.020
  • GOD FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL IS THE
  • 00:49:56.020 --> 00:49:57.150
  • ONLY THING ABOUT EVERY SINGLE
  • 00:49:57.150 --> 00:49:59.090
  • PERSON ON THIS PLANET THAT WILL
  • 00:49:59.090 --> 00:50:01.080
  • NEVER, EVER CHANGE.
  • 00:50:01.090 --> 00:50:04.090
  • - LEON: WHEN WOW LOOK AT A
  • 00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:04.290
  • SENSE OF VALUE, A SENSE OF BEING
  • 00:50:04.290 --> 00:50:07.110
  • LOVED, A SENSE OF SIGNIFICANCE
  • 00:50:07.110 --> 00:50:09.080
  • THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING IS
  • 00:50:09.080 --> 00:50:11.120
  • LOOKING FOR, WHATEVER YOU PLACE
  • 00:50:11.120 --> 00:50:12.050
  • IT ON, WILL BE EMPTY, WON'T IT?
  • 00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:15.030
  • BECAUSE ONLY JESUS, THIS
  • 00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:17.060
  • CONNECTION TO GOD AGAIN IS GOING
  • 00:50:17.200 --> 00:50:20.200
  • TO GIVE US THE SENSE OF, LOVE
  • 00:50:20.200 --> 00:50:23.030
  • AND PURPOSE, SIGNIFICANCE.
  • 00:50:23.030 --> 00:50:25.170
  • - VINCE: REAL QUICK, BECAUSE IT
  • 00:50:25.170 --> 00:50:26.230
  • CONNECTS SO CLEAR WITH WHAT HE
  • 00:50:26.230 --> 00:50:27.140
  • SAID.
  • 00:50:27.140 --> 00:50:30.030
  • MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO, I SAW
  • 00:50:30.030 --> 00:50:31.230
  • SOMEONE COME TO FAITH.
  • 00:50:31.230 --> 00:50:33.180
  • WE PRAYED AND HE ACCEPTED JESUS
  • 00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:36.110
  • AS HIS LORD AND HIS SAVIOR AND
  • 00:50:36.110 --> 00:50:38.100
  • THE PERSON HE WANTED AT THE
  • 00:50:38.100 --> 00:50:39.040
  • CENTER OF HIS LIFE.
  • 00:50:39.040 --> 00:50:40.050
  • THE VERY FIRST WORDS OUT OF HIS
  • 00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:42.240
  • MOUTH AFTER BECOMING A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:44.150
  • WERE THESE, IT IS THAT SENSE YOU
  • 00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:46.100
  • ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONLY
  • 00:50:46.100 --> 00:50:47.140
  • COMES FROM GOD.
  • 00:50:47.140 --> 00:50:48.280
  • HE SAID, I ALWAYS FELT I HAD TO
  • 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.100
  • WEAR A MASK.
  • 00:50:50.100 --> 00:50:51.120
  • THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY
  • 00:50:51.120 --> 00:50:53.260
  • LIFE I CAN TAKE OFF THAT MASK
  • 00:50:53.260 --> 00:50:56.070
  • AND BE FULLY MYSELF AND FULLY
  • 00:50:56.070 --> 00:50:57.130
  • ALIVE.
  • 00:50:57.130 --> 00:50:59.190
  • YOU DO NOT FIND THOSE WORDS
  • 00:50:59.190 --> 00:51:01.160
  • COMING OUT OF SOMEONE'S MOUTH
  • 00:51:01.160 --> 00:51:02.070
  • BECAUSE OF ANYONE BUT JESUS.
  • 00:51:02.110 --> 00:51:05.110
  • - LEON: EVERY ONE OF THESE
  • 00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:06.190
  • SECULAR GODS, IF YOU WANT TO
  • 00:51:06.190 --> 00:51:07.160
  • CALL IT THAT, YOU GUYS GO
  • 00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:09.120
  • THROUGH, THE END IS ALWAYS
  • 00:51:09.120 --> 00:51:10.010
  • EMPTY.
  • 00:51:10.010 --> 00:51:11.040
  • THERE IS NOTHING LEFT AFTER YOU
  • 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:12.180
  • WALK THIS THING OUT.
  • 00:51:12.180 --> 00:51:13.250
  • SO JESUS, IT IS SO HARD TO
  • 00:51:14.080 --> 00:51:17.080
  • EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY THAT JESUS,
  • 00:51:17.080 --> 00:51:19.110
  • IT DOES SOMETHING TO THE INSIDE
  • 00:51:19.110 --> 00:51:20.220
  • OF YOU.
  • 00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.280
  • - RAVI: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.240
  • FAITH BEING THE SUBSTANCE OF
  • 00:51:23.240 --> 00:51:25.010
  • THINGS HOPED FOR, IT IS THE
  • 00:51:25.010 --> 00:51:27.020
  • OPPOSITE OF THE WAY THE WORLD
  • 00:51:27.020 --> 00:51:27.250
  • LOOKS AT IT.
  • 00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:28.280
  • THEY THINK OF FAITH AS AN EMPTY
  • 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.030
  • BUBBLE SORT OF THING, BUT THERE
  • 00:51:30.030 --> 00:51:31.260
  • IS SUBSTANCE TO IT.
  • 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:33.200
  • BOTH OF US HAD REMARKABLE
  • 00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:35.030
  • JOURNEYS TO FAITH.
  • 00:51:35.030 --> 00:51:36.180
  • I DID NOT OWN A BIBLE.
  • 00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:38.150
  • I DON'T BELIEVE I EVER OPENED A
  • 00:51:38.150 --> 00:51:39.290
  • BIBLE.
  • 00:51:39.290 --> 00:51:41.030
  • I WAS 17 YEARS OLD AND REACHED
  • 00:51:41.030 --> 00:51:42.080
  • THE END OF MY ROPE.
  • 00:51:42.080 --> 00:51:43.200
  • I WAS IN DELHI, INDIA BEING
  • 00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:44.230
  • RAISED.
  • 00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:46.200
  • AND I TRIED TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE,
  • 00:51:46.200 --> 00:51:47.120
  • LEON.
  • 00:51:47.120 --> 00:51:48.090
  • IT TOOK ME YEARS BEFORE I COULD
  • 00:51:48.090 --> 00:51:50.060
  • EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:51:50.060 --> 00:51:51.080
  • MY DAD WANTED TO TALK TO ME
  • 00:51:51.080 --> 00:51:53.140
  • ABOUT IT BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY.
  • 00:51:53.140 --> 00:51:55.020
  • I STRUGGLED WITH EVEN BRINGING
  • 00:51:55.020 --> 00:51:55.290
  • BACK THAT PAIN.
  • 00:51:55.290 --> 00:51:57.250
  • BUT I REMEMBER WHEN LYING IN
  • 00:51:57.250 --> 00:52:00.200
  • THAT HOSPITAL ROOM AND A BIBLE
  • 00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:01.260
  • WAS BROUGHT TO ME FOR THE FIRST
  • 00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:02.240
  • TIME, I REALLY READ IT WITH
  • 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:04.130
  • MEANING.
  • 00:52:04.130 --> 00:52:05.220
  • I COULD NOT EVEN READ IT, MY
  • 00:52:05.220 --> 00:52:07.230
  • BODY WAS DEHYDRATED WITH A
  • 00:52:07.230 --> 00:52:08.230
  • POISON.
  • 00:52:08.230 --> 00:52:10.020
  • HE GAVE IT TO MY MOTHER TO READ
  • 00:52:10.020 --> 00:52:11.040
  • IT.
  • 00:52:11.040 --> 00:52:13.120
  • AND JESUS SAID IN JOHN 14 AND
  • 00:52:13.120 --> 00:52:14.030
  • 19, "BECAUSE I WILL HAVE YOU
  • 00:52:14.030 --> 00:52:15.050
  • ALSO SHALL LIVE."
  • 00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:16.030
  • THAT IS THE KEY.
  • 00:52:16.030 --> 00:52:17.200
  • WHAT DOES LIVING REALLY MEAN?
  • 00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:20.050
  • WHEN YOU FIND YOUR CREATOR AND
  • 00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:22.100
  • THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH HE CREATED
  • 00:52:22.100 --> 00:52:24.100
  • YOU.
  • 00:52:24.100 --> 00:52:24.290
  • I WATCH MY GRANDCHILDREN NOW,
  • 00:52:24.290 --> 00:52:27.070
  • FIVE AND UNDER.
  • 00:52:27.070 --> 00:52:28.160
  • I WATCH THE SECURITY THAT THEY
  • 00:52:28.160 --> 00:52:30.250
  • LOOK FOR.
  • 00:52:30.250 --> 00:52:32.280
  • THEY LOVE TO COME TO NANA AND
  • 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:33.220
  • PAPA'S HOME.
  • 00:52:33.220 --> 00:52:35.200
  • THEY LOVE TO GO THEIR OWN HOME.
  • 00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:36.120
  • THEY WANT TO BELONG.
  • 00:52:36.120 --> 00:52:38.290
  • THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY
  • 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.000
  • CAN BE TRUSTED AND CARE FOR
  • 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.020
  • THEM.
  • 00:52:43.020 --> 00:52:44.120
  • YOU WATCH A NURSERY, SAID G.K.
  • 00:52:44.120 --> 00:52:46.150
  • CHESTERTON, AND YOU LEARN MORE
  • 00:52:46.150 --> 00:52:47.100
  • FROM THAT THAN A PHILOSOPHY
  • 00:52:47.100 --> 00:52:48.080
  • CLASSROOM.
  • 00:52:48.080 --> 00:52:49.270
  • WE ARE BORN TO BELONG, TO BELONG
  • 00:52:49.270 --> 00:52:51.220
  • TO GOD AND FIND OUR PURPOSE IN
  • 00:52:51.220 --> 00:52:53.120
  • HIM.
  • 00:52:53.120 --> 00:52:54.280
  • THAT IS WHY JESUS DID NOT TAKE A
  • 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:55.290
  • PHILOSOPHER AND PUT HIM IN THE
  • 00:52:55.290 --> 00:52:56.290
  • MIDDLE.
  • 00:52:56.290 --> 00:52:58.110
  • HE LOOKED AT THE CHILD AND SAID,
  • 00:52:58.110 --> 00:52:59.030
  • SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
  • 00:52:59.030 --> 00:53:01.010
  • SO WHILE THESE ISMS MAY SOUND
  • 00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:02.210
  • SOPHISTICATED, WHEN YOU PUSHBACK
  • 00:53:02.210 --> 00:53:04.080
  • THE VERBIAGE YOU FIND WHAT YOU
  • 00:53:04.080 --> 00:53:06.200
  • ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
  • 00:53:06.200 --> 00:53:07.250
  • SO IT IS IN THE PERSON OF
  • 00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:10.040
  • CHRIST.
  • 00:53:10.040 --> 00:53:12.040
  • - LEON: SO BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:53:12.040 --> 00:53:12.210
  • I WAS CATCHING A CAB ONE DAY.
  • 00:53:12.210 --> 00:53:14.130
  • THERE WAS A MUSLIM DRIVER, A
  • 00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.290
  • REALLY NICE YOUNG MAN.
  • 00:53:16.290 --> 00:53:17.260
  • WE GOT TO TALKING TO ME.
  • 00:53:17.260 --> 00:53:18.250
  • HE SAID TO ME, I WISH MORE OF US
  • 00:53:18.250 --> 00:53:19.290
  • COULD DO THIS.
  • 00:53:19.290 --> 00:53:20.250
  • BECAUSE BOTH OF OUR RELIGIONS
  • 00:53:20.250 --> 00:53:22.020
  • ARE ABOUT LOVE.
  • 00:53:22.020 --> 00:53:23.010
  • I STOPPED AND SAID, CAN I ASK
  • 00:53:23.010 --> 00:53:25.030
  • YOU A QUESTION?
  • 00:53:25.030 --> 00:53:26.080
  • HE SAID SURE.
  • 00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:27.160
  • I SAID, IF MY DAUGHTER WHO IS A
  • 00:53:27.160 --> 00:53:29.140
  • CHRISTIAN MARRIED A MUSLIM MAN,
  • 00:53:29.140 --> 00:53:30.060
  • WE WOULD HAVE HIM IN OUR HOME.
  • 00:53:30.060 --> 00:53:32.290
  • WE WOULD CELEBRATE.
  • 00:53:32.290 --> 00:53:34.070
  • THEY COULD STAY WITH US.
  • 00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:35.230
  • I SAID, WE WOULD JUST LOVE HIM
  • 00:53:35.230 --> 00:53:36.190
  • ANYWAY.
  • 00:53:36.190 --> 00:53:37.240
  • I SAID, WHAT WOULD IF YOU
  • 00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:41.090
  • MARRIED A CHRISTIAN GIRL?
  • 00:53:41.090 --> 00:53:43.000
  • HE WENT, OH, HE SAID, I WOULD BE
  • 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:44.020
  • DISOWNED.
  • 00:53:44.020 --> 00:53:45.240
  • HE WENT ON EXPLAINING HOW BAD
  • 00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:47.010
  • THAT WOULD BE.
  • 00:53:47.010 --> 00:53:48.000
  • I SAID, THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE
  • 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.140
  • LOVE.
  • 00:53:49.140 --> 00:53:49.290
  • YOU CAN LOOK TO A LOT OF
  • 00:53:49.290 --> 00:53:50.290
  • RELIGIONS.
  • 00:53:50.290 --> 00:53:51.210
  • YOU CAN LOOK AT A LOT OF
  • 00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:53.000
  • DISCOURSE AND THE TALKING.
  • 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:54.220
  • BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO BEING
  • 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.280
  • LOVED, JUST AS MESSED UP AS WE
  • 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.280
  • HAVE BEEN, HE LOVED US EVEN
  • 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.120
  • BEFORE WE ACCEPTED HIM.
  • 00:54:02.120 --> 00:54:04.140
  • IT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST
  • 00:54:04.140 --> 00:54:06.040
  • THOUGHTS ON THE PLANET.
  • 00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:08.020
  • - RAVI: I SHARED IN THE CLOSING
  • 00:54:08.020 --> 00:54:09.050
  • IN MUMBAI AT THE MOTHER TERESA
  • 00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:10.210
  • AWARD.
  • 00:54:10.210 --> 00:54:12.100
  • THAT ONE OF THE MEN WHO HAD
  • 00:54:12.100 --> 00:54:13.000
  • SURVIVED THAT ATTACK WHILE
  • 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.140
  • SCORES OF THEM DIED IN THE
  • 00:54:14.140 --> 00:54:15.100
  • DINING ROOM AT THE FAMED TAJ
  • 00:54:15.100 --> 00:54:17.150
  • MAHAL, A BEAUTIFUL HOTEL.
  • 00:54:17.150 --> 00:54:19.060
  • HE WAS AN ACTOR.
  • 00:54:19.060 --> 00:54:19.220
  • AND THE INTERVIEWER LOOKED AT
  • 00:54:19.220 --> 00:54:21.230
  • HIM ON THE TELEVISION A WEEK
  • 00:54:21.230 --> 00:54:22.230
  • AFTER AND SAID, HOW COME YOU'RE
  • 00:54:22.230 --> 00:54:24.030
  • STILL ALIVE AND ALL OF YOUR
  • 00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:24.230
  • FRIEND WERE KILLED?
  • 00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:27.000
  • HE SAID, THE ONLY EXPLANATION I
  • 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:27.220
  • COULD HAVE, I WAS LYING ON A
  • 00:54:27.220 --> 00:54:29.200
  • PILE OF BODIES THAT WERE ALL
  • 00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:30.140
  • BLOODIED.
  • 00:54:30.140 --> 00:54:32.060
  • AND WHEN THE MAN CAME TOWARDS
  • 00:54:32.060 --> 00:54:33.080
  • ME, I COULD HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS,
  • 00:54:33.080 --> 00:54:34.270
  • I KNEW HIS GUN WAS POISED, AIMED
  • 00:54:34.270 --> 00:54:36.190
  • TOWARDS ME.
  • 00:54:36.190 --> 00:54:38.110
  • BUT HE BACKED OFF.
  • 00:54:38.110 --> 00:54:39.180
  • HE SAID, THE ONLY EXPLANATION I
  • 00:54:39.180 --> 00:54:40.100
  • CAN HAVE IS, I WAS COVERED WITH
  • 00:54:40.100 --> 00:54:42.110
  • SOMEBODY ELSE'S BLOOD.
  • 00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:44.040
  • HE TOOK ME, THEREFORE, TO BE
  • 00:54:44.040 --> 00:54:45.170
  • DEAD AND SPARED ME.
  • 00:54:45.170 --> 00:54:48.080
  • I SAID WHAT A METAOHOR THE
  • 00:54:48.080 --> 00:54:48.270
  • GOSPEL.
  • 00:54:48.270 --> 00:54:49.190
  • WE ARE COVERED WITH THE BLOOD OF
  • 00:54:49.240 --> 00:54:52.240
  • CHRIST, SHED FOR US EVEN WHILE
  • 00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:53.150
  • WE WERE YET SINNERS.
  • 00:54:53.150 --> 00:54:55.240
  • THAT'S THE GOSPEL MESSAGE.
  • 00:54:55.240 --> 00:54:57.070
  • - LEON: WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE
  • 00:54:57.070 --> 00:54:57.290
  • OR TWO LEFT.
  • 00:54:57.290 --> 00:54:58.120
  • LAST THOUGHTS.
  • 00:54:58.120 --> 00:55:00.100
  • - VINCE: THIS BOOK IS REALLY
  • 00:55:00.100 --> 00:55:02.160
  • FOR ANYONE WHO LONGS TO BE A
  • 00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:04.170
  • LOVER OF THE TRUTH.
  • 00:55:04.170 --> 00:55:06.160
  • AND, THE THING IS YOU CANNOT BE
  • 00:55:06.160 --> 00:55:08.110
  • A LOVER IN THE DEEPEST SENSE OF
  • 00:55:08.110 --> 00:55:09.070
  • AN ISM, OF A THEORY.
  • 00:55:09.070 --> 00:55:11.260
  • OF A RATIONALITY, OF AN
  • 00:55:11.270 --> 00:55:14.270
  • ARGUMENT.
  • 00:55:14.270 --> 00:55:15.190
  • YOU CAN ONLY TRULY IN THE
  • 00:55:15.190 --> 00:55:16.120
  • DEEPEST SENSE BE A LOVER OF A
  • 00:55:16.120 --> 00:55:17.170
  • PERSON, AND THAT IS A WHAT
  • 00:55:17.170 --> 00:55:19.170
  • CHRISTIANITY DOES, IT MAKES
  • 00:55:19.170 --> 00:55:20.160
  • TRUTH A PERSON, AND, THEREFORE,
  • 00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:22.050
  • SOMEONE WHO YOU CAN GENUINELY
  • 00:55:22.050 --> 00:55:24.130
  • LOVE AND ENJOY THAT LOVING
  • 00:55:24.130 --> 00:55:26.070
  • RELATIONSHIP FOR ALL ETERNITY.
  • 00:55:26.070 --> 00:55:27.150
  • - LEON: VINCE, RAVI, THANK YOU
  • 00:55:27.150 --> 00:55:29.190
  • FOR BEING WITH ME.
  • 00:55:29.190 --> 00:55:30.220
  • I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO TALK FOR
  • 00:55:30.220 --> 00:55:31.130
  • TWO MORE HOURS WITH YOU GUYS AND
  • 00:55:31.130 --> 00:55:32.180
  • JUST FLESH THIS BOOK OUT, BUT I
  • 00:55:32.180 --> 00:55:34.140
  • REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.
  • 00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:35.230
  • "JESUS AMONG SECULAR GODS."
  • 00:55:35.240 --> 00:55:38.240
  • IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH THAT YOU
  • 00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:41.040
  • HAVE A FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND
  • 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.230
  • YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST,
  • 00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:45.260
  • YOU NEED TO HAVE ANSWERS FOR
  • 00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:47.050
  • PEOPLE WHO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
  • 00:55:47.050 --> 00:55:49.070
  • WE NEED TO DIVE IN TO THE
  • 00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:50.200
  • QUESTIONS THE WORLD IS ASKING
  • 00:55:50.200 --> 00:55:52.020
  • US, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REACH OUT
  • 00:55:52.020 --> 00:55:54.090
  • AND SHARE THE JESUS WE LOVE AND
  • 00:55:54.090 --> 00:55:56.120
  • THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND
  • 00:55:56.120 --> 00:55:57.030
  • YOU NEED ANSWERS.
  • 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:01.270
  • GET THIS BOOK "JESUS, AMONG
  • 00:56:01.270 --> 00:56:02.230
  • SECULAR GODS."
  • 00:56:02.230 --> 00:56:04.050
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:56:04.050 --> 00:56:04.190
  • WE LOVE YOU.
  • 00:56:04.190 --> 00:56:06.030