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Steven Furtick hosts John Gray in Charlotte; NC – Race Relations

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Praise | John Gray | June 1, 2020

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - Let me just speak towhat's happening here today.
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  • - In a moment where ournation is collectively reeling
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  • from the atrocity of themurder of George Floyd.
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  • - When I heard,there were rumors
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  • about violentprotests in Atlanta,
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  • I called my son and Isaid, "Where are you?
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  • "I cannot protect you,
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  • "and black boysshouldn't be out today."
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  • - My blackness is weaponized
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  • before you know thecharacter of my manhood.
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  • (audience claps)
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  • That's a problem, andwe've gotta talk about it.
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  • And we can't talkabout it politically,
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  • we gotta talk aboutit from the church.
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  • - We stay stuck in statesof spiritual immaturity
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  • because we've never stretched
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  • to understand anybodyelse's experience.
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  • And that's why thisconversation is important.
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  • (fast-paced music)
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  • - [Narrator] Tonight onPraise, from Charlotte.
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  • Meet pastor of ElevationChurch, Steven Furtick
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  • And senior pastor ofRelentless Church, John Gray.
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  • - God bless you, TBN family.
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  • Not only in the UnitedStates but worldwide.
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  • I'm Pastor John Gray
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  • and I'm inviting you totake a journey with me
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  • for a few moments,
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  • into some potentiallychallenging, uncomfortable
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  • but necessary momentsof contemplation,
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  • information andprayerful revelation.
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  • In the United States,
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  • we are dealing withunprecedented times.
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  • Moments of greatrage and emotion
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  • are spilling overinto the streets
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  • in ways we have notseen since the 1960s.
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  • Many of the people that areprotesting in the streets
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  • are unified around the idea
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  • and the ideal of social justice
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  • and challenging the inequalities
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  • that many people havefaced in this country
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  • for many years andmany generations.
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  • The death of George Floydin Minneapolis, Minnesota
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  • at the hands ofa police officer,
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  • has caused us now tolook in the mirror.
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  • And we are at a reckoning point.
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  • Who are we as a nation?
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  • Who are we as a people?
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  • And for my purposes,
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  • who are we as the people of God?
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  • And what is God saying to thechurch in moments like this?
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  • What is our posture?
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  • What is our position?
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  • And what is our mandate?
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  • It's with that backdrop in mind
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  • that I had the opportunityto have a conversation
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  • with who I believe is theseminal voice of our generation,
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  • in Pastor Steven Furtick.
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  • And we had anhonest conversation
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  • about the pain ofblack Americans
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  • and what our nation needs to do
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  • to have a conversationabout beginning the dialogue
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  • and the actions that will bringabout healing to our nation.
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  • We have been for manyyears divided by race,
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  • by class andsocioeconomic background.
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  • But now we must make a decision
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  • on who we're goingto be going forward.
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  • I'd like to inviteyou to listen in
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  • with an open mind but mostimportantly, an open heart,
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  • on a necessary conversation
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  • around the subjectof reconciliation.
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  • God bless you.
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  • - [John] I love you man.
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  • - I love you back.
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  • We were saying likehow nervous we are
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  • because we're gonnatalk about things today
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  • that normally getsometimes passed over
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  • because they'redifficult to talk about.
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  • Bit we were also nervous aboutwhether to hug each other,
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  • because peopleare gonna say more
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  • about the fact that weunsocial distance for a hug,
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  • then the things we'lltalk about today.
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  • - But they didn't see all thehand sanitizer in the back
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  • and all of thesocial distancing.
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  • - Right, like we tookhand sanitizer baths
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  • before we came out.
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  • I wanna say thankyou for a few things.
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  • One, for all the timesyou've blessed our church
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  • through the years.
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  • You've been one ofthe greatest blessings
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  • that God has given our churchfamily just as a man of God.
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  • But also, for reaching out to me
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  • not just this week,
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  • but you reached outto me a few years ago,
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  • and you began to say, "Weneed to have conversations
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  • "about what's going on inour nation, in our world
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  • "and specifically, asit relates to race."
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  • - The fact that you have thecourage to speak in the moment
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  • when many of our whitepastors brothers, and sisters
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  • normally have reservedtheir comments
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  • until they get all the facts.
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  • For you, with allof your influence,
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  • the anointingthat's on your life,
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  • and the globalposition of leadership
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  • that you hold in the church,
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  • for you to step out and say,"Regardless of the facts,
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  • "what I saw is enough for meto say from a human standpoint,
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  • "this is wrong."
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  • And I wanna thank you,because what it did
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  • is it broke something thathas been quiet, but very real
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  • for many of us as black pastors.
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  • Because in moments like this,
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  • and they've happenedfar too often,
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  • I'll always gettext to my phone,
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  • but they won't talkabout it out loud.
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  • And in this season,silence is agreement.
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  • I don't need you to quietlytell me you're praying,
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  • I need you to publiclysay this is wrong.
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  • Because this is not just aboutrace, this is about justice.
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  • And the entire Bible isabout justice throughout.
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  • Throughout Old Testamentinto the New Testament,
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  • God is very clearthat even with Israel,
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  • He said, "Treat the alienand the stranger among you,
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  • "this is how you treat them."
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  • And so this idea ofa lack of humanity,
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  • and well what did He do?
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  • Let's find outwhat He did first,
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  • and we don't want the video,
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  • I don't wanna commenton the video too,
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  • I know the backstory.
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  • If I put my knee inthe neck of a dog
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  • and it was caught on video,
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  • everyone would wantme to go to jail
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  • and never want meto preach again,
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  • because they had morecompassion on a dog
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  • than we have for a mandying in the street.
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  • That's a problem.
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  • It's a heart problem.
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  • It's an empathy problem.
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  • And it is systemic, and itis spiritual at its root.
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  • And so I wanna thankyou for not being afraid
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  • to step out from the shadows
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  • and use yourconsiderable influence
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  • to let the world know,"I stand with justice.
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  • "And I stand withwhat is right."
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  • (audience applauds)
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  • It means the world.
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  • - Well, to me, itwould be hypocrisy
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  • to pastor a churchthat was diverse,
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  • and I don't just mean diverseracially black and white,
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  • I mean, diverse on every level
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  • from differentlevels of education,
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  • different levels ofincome, young, old.
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  • I grew up in VacationBible School,
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  • I don't know the book ofRuth from a baby Ruth,
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  • you know, like, there's allkinds of diversity in our church
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  • and if I celebratethat diversity,
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  • but never address the disparity,
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  • to me that's hypocrisy.
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  • What we're talkingabout today is,
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  • the heart of thegospel of Jesus Christ.
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  • This is not an issue that wecan relegate to one group.
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  • So if I say, "Look howbeautifully diversethis church is,"
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  • but I don't speakto the injustice
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  • or the pain of someonewho is in my church,
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  • what am I really doing?
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  • Am I ministering?
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  • Or am I arranging theaesthetic to be pleasing?
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  • And, you know, for me, I'vewatched you all over the world.
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  • We've been inAustralia together,
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  • we've been in some interestingenvironments together.
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  • And I've watched pastor John,this is how anointed he is.
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  • And I know our churchfamily knows this
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  • and I'm not saying anything new,
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  • but he can walk into a room
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  • where everybody's whiteor everybody's black
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  • or there's any percentage,
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  • and I've never seensomebody so effectively
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  • transcend cultures andmindsets like you do, never.
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  • I'm saying of everyone I've ever seen try,
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  • any name we wanna put up here,
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  • I've never seensomeone that effective,
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  • and not only being inclusive,
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  • but at speaking tothe needs of everyone.
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  • And I never really askedyou where that came from.
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  • How did you become that way?
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  • How did God develop you to beso transcendent in your gift?
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  • - I think honestly itstarted with my mother.
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  • She was in social workfor close to 40 years,
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  • got her degree in social work.
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  • And in the '80s, late '70s, '80s
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  • she was often the onlyAfrican American woman
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  • in rooms filledwith white people.
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  • And I would seepictures from her,
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  • you know, her professionalretreats in all these places,
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  • and my mother hadthis big ol' afro
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  • and she'd be this afro
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  • in the middle of likeall this blonde hair.
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  • And my mother had to beable to live in a world
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  • that already saw her not onlyas black but as a black woman,
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  • so she had to doubly work ashard to be taken seriously.
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  • But she never broughtbitterness home,
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  • she always brought hope home.
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  • That was very fascinating to me.
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  • But it was rooted in herunderstanding of who she was,
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  • and what her calling was.
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  • So she was always theperson to build bridges,
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  • and she taught meto be the same.
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  • She told me that God told her
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  • I was going to bea world leader,
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  • and she was determinedto raise me in a way
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  • that I would be able to converse
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  • with people from differentbackgrounds and empathize.
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  • I've always had a heart.
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  • I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio,
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  • and born in '73, growing up
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  • there was very realracial tension.
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  • But I was always theguy tryna build bridges.
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  • Before it was a thing,before it was popular
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  • I always wondered,
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  • "How come that if I goto that neighborhood."
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  • - If I'm walking, Iget called the N word
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  • out the window, thatactually happens.
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  • But if I stay in thisneighborhood, I'm good.
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  • But if they get toknow me, they'll know,
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  • I'm not what they think.
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  • Because oftentimeswe look at an image
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  • and not the substance.
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  • And so, my mother taughtme how to see people
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  • through the lens of grace.
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  • So I extend the gracethat I want people
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  • to have towards me.
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  • So I grew up honoringall cultures,
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  • even if I don't understand.
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  • I didn't understandwhile they were listening
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  • to Cyndi Lauper I'mlistening to Run-DMC,
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  • but then I startedlistening to Cyndi Lauper,
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  • now I'm singing"Time after time."
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  • (audience laughs)
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  • You know what I'm saying?
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  • Because I'm willingto step into other
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  • people's reality,so that I can feel
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  • what it's like to be them.
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  • The challenge is,I don't often see
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  • that coming the other way.
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  • Because if there's ever empathy,
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  • then we wouldn't seethis lack of humanity.
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  • - [Audience Member]And that's good.
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  • (audience applauds)
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  • (audience murmurs)
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  • - When I think aboutwhat's so critical
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  • for us to understandin this moment,
  • 00:11:41.857 --> 00:11:44.527
  • this idea of diversityversus inclusion,
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  • because there are alot of white pastors
  • 00:11:48.464 --> 00:11:50.399
  • who have black peopleon their worship teams,
  • 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.668
  • but they don't have themin their leadership.
  • 00:11:52.668 --> 00:11:54.937
  • And that's a challengebecause if you got
  • 00:11:54.937 --> 00:11:57.540
  • 35, 40% of a black congregation
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  • and you don't address this,what you're saying is,
  • 00:12:00.442 --> 00:12:03.045
  • your presence is goodand your culture is good,
  • 00:12:03.045 --> 00:12:06.515
  • and your tithe is goodbut your pain is not.
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  • You've got to be able toembrace the totality of me
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  • so I can trust you with my soul,
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  • (audience murmurs) becauseI've been carrying this pain
  • 00:12:14.824 --> 00:12:16.492
  • for too long foryou to be silent
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  • about the blackness thatI have to experience
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  • every single day.
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  • (audience cheers)- Yes.
  • 00:12:21.831 --> 00:12:23.265
  • (audience applauds)
  • 00:12:23.265 --> 00:12:24.099
  • - I agree.
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  • - And let me tell you something.
  • 00:12:25.301 --> 00:12:26.569
  • I'm standing here Ibelieve as a voice
  • 00:12:26.569 --> 00:12:28.704
  • for those who will neverhave the opportunity to speak
  • 00:12:28.704 --> 00:12:31.774
  • and I have to deal withracial inequity and bigotry,
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  • even in my own neighborhoodwhere I live right now.
  • 00:12:38.180 --> 00:12:40.282
  • There are neighborswho have said to me,
  • 00:12:40.282 --> 00:12:42.618
  • out of their mouths,"I don't like you
  • 00:12:42.618 --> 00:12:44.820
  • "and I don't wanna know you,
  • 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:47.056
  • "and your kids are tooloud in your backyard
  • 00:12:47.056 --> 00:12:50.793
  • "and I need you to tellyour kids to be quiet
  • 00:12:50.793 --> 00:12:53.596
  • "because they'redisturbing my peace.
  • 00:12:53.596 --> 00:12:56.165
  • "Also, I don't like theway you park your car
  • 00:12:56.165 --> 00:12:58.667
  • "in your driveway."
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  • This is God's truth.
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  • They think becauseof their whiteness
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  • they have the abilityto tell me how to live
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  • in the property that I pay for.
  • 00:13:05.641 --> 00:13:08.477
  • We have a problem andit has been emboldened
  • 00:13:08.477 --> 00:13:11.380
  • because of the current systems
  • 00:13:11.380 --> 00:13:13.716
  • and the currentboldness of the spirit
  • 00:13:13.716 --> 00:13:16.018
  • of this moment.
  • 00:13:16.018 --> 00:13:17.119
  • So I carry a pain that even now,
  • 00:13:17.119 --> 00:13:20.723
  • as whoever I am, if Iwalk in the wrong place,
  • 00:13:20.723 --> 00:13:24.226
  • or go to the wrong placeor drive the wrong way,
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  • I carry the fearthat they won't know
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  • John Gray the bridgebuilder that hangs out
  • 00:13:29.732 --> 00:13:31.901
  • with Pastor Steven in Australia,
  • 00:13:31.901 --> 00:13:33.869
  • they won't knowthe guy who wants
  • 00:13:33.869 --> 00:13:35.471
  • to raise his son and daughterto be global citizens
  • 00:13:35.471 --> 00:13:38.440
  • and respect people, notbecause of the color
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  • of their skin butas Dr. King said
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  • for the content oftheir character,
  • 00:13:42.845 --> 00:13:44.346
  • not as a husband to avantor,or a pastor to relentless.
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  • They will see meas a big black man
  • 00:13:48.284 --> 00:13:50.219
  • with a beard and a hoodie whomight have a gun on his hip
  • 00:13:50.219 --> 00:13:53.756
  • and I felt threatened.
  • 00:13:53.756 --> 00:13:55.024
  • And so my blacknessis weaponized
  • 00:13:55.024 --> 00:13:57.660
  • before you know thecharacter of my manhood.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • That's a problem.
  • 00:14:01.764 --> 00:14:02.731
  • And I'm not just talkingabout the officers of the law,
  • 00:14:04.099 --> 00:14:07.403
  • even in church.(audience murmurs)
  • 00:14:07.403 --> 00:14:09.338
  • There are people who aresaved and who will sing
  • 00:14:09.338 --> 00:14:11.473
  • "What a friend wehave in Jesus,"
  • 00:14:11.473 --> 00:14:13.375
  • but at home I'm every Nword they can think of
  • 00:14:13.375 --> 00:14:16.745
  • and that is the real issue,
  • 00:14:16.745 --> 00:14:19.181
  • because this is notgoing to be something
  • 00:14:19.181 --> 00:14:21.884
  • that is now yougot me sitting up.
  • 00:14:21.884 --> 00:14:24.486
  • (audience laughs)
  • 00:14:24.486 --> 00:14:25.688
  • You, we're not goingto be able to heal this
  • 00:14:25.688 --> 00:14:27.056
  • at the legislative level.
  • 00:14:27.056 --> 00:14:28.724
  • This is not a legislative thing,
  • 00:14:28.724 --> 00:14:30.492
  • you can't pass a law tochange someone's heart.
  • 00:14:30.492 --> 00:14:34.196
  • That's why this conversation
  • 00:14:34.196 --> 00:14:35.597
  • has to happen in the church,(audience murmurs)
  • 00:14:35.597 --> 00:14:37.266
  • (audience applauds)because only the Holy Spirit
  • 00:14:37.266 --> 00:14:38.867
  • can change the heart--
  • 00:14:38.867 --> 00:14:40.369
  • (audience cheers)
  • 00:14:40.369 --> 00:14:43.806
  • (sobs) and change the their mind
  • 00:14:43.806 --> 00:14:46.442
  • and change their perspective
  • 00:14:46.442 --> 00:14:48.711
  • and change their perception
  • 00:14:48.711 --> 00:14:50.746
  • and give people valuethat every single
  • 00:14:50.746 --> 00:14:53.716
  • human being thatGod ever created
  • 00:14:53.716 --> 00:14:55.985
  • has the same inherent value.
  • 00:14:55.985 --> 00:14:57.987
  • Because of the blood of Jesus,
  • 00:14:57.987 --> 00:14:59.989
  • I have the same right to live,
  • 00:14:59.989 --> 00:15:02.825
  • the same right topursue my dreams as you.
  • 00:15:03.993 --> 00:15:07.296
  • I don't want specialtreatment, Steven,
  • 00:15:07.296 --> 00:15:09.631
  • I want equal treatment.
  • 00:15:09.631 --> 00:15:11.200
  • (audience murmurs)
  • 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:12.468
  • I want my son to be ableto hang out with Elijah,
  • 00:15:12.468 --> 00:15:14.269
  • and I want both of 'em to feel
  • 00:15:14.269 --> 00:15:15.838
  • like they can go homeif they encounter a cop.
  • 00:15:15.838 --> 00:15:19.308
  • But the truth is, Elijahhas a better chance
  • 00:15:19.308 --> 00:15:21.243
  • of getting home than my son.
  • 00:15:21.243 --> 00:15:23.278
  • And it's not your fault.
  • 00:15:24.613 --> 00:15:26.515
  • But the system, whichhas been here since 1619
  • 00:15:26.515 --> 00:15:30.219
  • until right now 400 yearsof systemic oppression,
  • 00:15:30.219 --> 00:15:33.622
  • 244 years of Americanchattel slavery
  • 00:15:33.622 --> 00:15:36.558
  • that literally dismantledblack families,
  • 00:15:36.558 --> 00:15:39.028
  • over and over again.
  • 00:15:39.028 --> 00:15:41.363
  • And then after that,the grandfather clause
  • 00:15:41.363 --> 00:15:44.299
  • with the Jim Crow era, andeven into the Civil Rights Act
  • 00:15:44.299 --> 00:15:47.603
  • of '64 and the VotingRights Act of '65
  • 00:15:47.603 --> 00:15:50.272
  • and Brown versus Boardof Education in '54,
  • 00:15:50.272 --> 00:15:53.208
  • and we look at all thesethings where they try
  • 00:15:53.208 --> 00:15:54.877
  • to move the needlefor separate but equal
  • 00:15:54.877 --> 00:15:57.713
  • and equality, but wehave never seen equality
  • 00:15:57.713 --> 00:16:00.949
  • because the truth is, we'reonly three generations
  • 00:16:00.949 --> 00:16:03.886
  • removed from humansowning other humans
  • 00:16:03.886 --> 00:16:06.855
  • in this nation.
  • 00:16:06.855 --> 00:16:08.157
  • And we've got to talk about it.
  • 00:16:09.124 --> 00:16:10.826
  • And we can't talkabout it politically,
  • 00:16:10.826 --> 00:16:12.594
  • we gotta talk aboutit from the church
  • 00:16:12.594 --> 00:16:14.396
  • because the churchneeds to reconcile
  • 00:16:14.396 --> 00:16:17.699
  • the sins of silence,and the sins of apathy--
  • 00:16:17.699 --> 00:16:21.937
  • - The sin of indifference.- The sin of indifference.
  • 00:16:21.937 --> 00:16:25.207
  • - The sin of indifferenceis for me to say,
  • 00:16:26.542 --> 00:16:29.211
  • well, I'm not a racist.
  • 00:16:29.211 --> 00:16:30.813
  • Do you see how innocentthat sounds on the surface,
  • 00:16:32.214 --> 00:16:36.185
  • but it becomes anexcuse for me to say
  • 00:16:36.185 --> 00:16:39.421
  • that just because Ihaven't experienced it
  • 00:16:39.421 --> 00:16:42.357
  • in that way it doesn't exist.
  • 00:16:42.357 --> 00:16:44.359
  • I don't get the luxurypastoring this church
  • 00:16:45.661 --> 00:16:48.664
  • and this church familyof getting to pastor
  • 00:16:48.664 --> 00:16:52.468
  • a white church or a black church
  • 00:16:52.468 --> 00:16:54.770
  • or any one type of church.
  • 00:16:54.770 --> 00:16:57.106
  • What I love about thatis that it forces me,
  • 00:16:57.106 --> 00:17:01.510
  • not only to be able to saythe cliches of Christianity
  • 00:17:01.510 --> 00:17:05.280
  • or the cliches of equality,but when you lead people
  • 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:09.985
  • and you pastor people, it'snot political, it's personal.
  • 00:17:09.985 --> 00:17:14.189
  • - Yes, sir.
  • 00:17:14.189 --> 00:17:15.724
  • - And the thing that I wasthinking about this moment
  • 00:17:15.724 --> 00:17:17.493
  • is that I haven'ttalked to one person
  • 00:17:17.493 --> 00:17:19.461
  • who was not appalled anddisgusted by what happened
  • 00:17:19.461 --> 00:17:22.664
  • to George Floyd.
  • 00:17:22.664 --> 00:17:23.732
  • Should it take that?
  • 00:17:25.100 --> 00:17:26.468
  • (laughs)
  • 00:17:28.704 --> 00:17:29.938
  • Should it take that,should it take a knee
  • 00:17:29.938 --> 00:17:33.442
  • on the neck of aman in the street
  • 00:17:34.910 --> 00:17:37.079
  • for us to hear the cries ofour brothers and sisters,
  • 00:17:39.448 --> 00:17:43.318
  • or should we beable to hear this
  • 00:17:45.521 --> 00:17:48.090
  • through LJ who playsbehind me every weekend
  • 00:17:49.224 --> 00:17:53.762
  • when he says, "I don'tfeel safe walking
  • 00:17:53.762 --> 00:17:56.965
  • in my neighborhood"?
  • 00:17:56.965 --> 00:17:58.200
  • He put out a postthat haunted me
  • 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.602
  • a few weeks ago after thedeath of Ahmaud Aubrey.
  • 00:18:00.602 --> 00:18:03.939
  • He said, "I realizedthat walking
  • 00:18:03.939 --> 00:18:06.175
  • "through my neighborhoodwith my kids
  • 00:18:06.175 --> 00:18:08.644
  • "was the only waysafe for me to walk
  • 00:18:08.644 --> 00:18:10.479
  • "through my neighborhood,because without them
  • 00:18:10.479 --> 00:18:12.748
  • "I become that suspiciousblack man with a hood."
  • 00:18:12.748 --> 00:18:15.517
  • Is that not enoughthat he has my back
  • 00:18:15.517 --> 00:18:18.320
  • every week in ministry,and I'm going to let him
  • 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:20.889
  • have my back inministry musically--
  • 00:18:20.889 --> 00:18:23.158
  • (cheers)
  • 00:18:23.158 --> 00:18:24.426
  • but I'm not goingto hear his pain--
  • 00:18:24.426 --> 00:18:25.327
  • (applauds)
  • 00:18:25.327 --> 00:18:26.161
  • and I'm not going to--
  • 00:18:26.161 --> 00:18:27.396
  • (audience applauds)Does it take an image,
  • 00:18:27.396 --> 00:18:29.965
  • that grotesque and flagrantto get our attention?
  • 00:18:29.965 --> 00:18:32.901
  • To me, this momentthat we're in,
  • 00:18:35.170 --> 00:18:37.839
  • is symbolic of thesickness that we allowed,
  • 00:18:39.174 --> 00:18:42.911
  • and yet we'll givemore attention
  • 00:18:44.580 --> 00:18:46.081
  • to the symptom of it thanthe sickness beneath it.
  • 00:18:46.081 --> 00:18:48.717
  • - (cheers) Jesus!
  • 00:18:48.717 --> 00:18:50.485
  • You bless me.
  • 00:18:51.386 --> 00:18:54.189
  • Hear, I told you this,I say it publicly,
  • 00:18:54.189 --> 00:18:56.024
  • you're the greatestpreacher of our generation,
  • 00:18:56.024 --> 00:18:58.026
  • there's nobody thatGod is using like you.
  • 00:18:58.026 --> 00:19:01.029
  • (audience applauds)
  • 00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:02.531
  • And what you said speaks tothe type of conversations
  • 00:19:02.531 --> 00:19:07.469
  • that we need to havein forums like this.
  • 00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:11.506
  • It shouldn't take theimage of a man's life
  • 00:19:12.708 --> 00:19:16.478
  • that is ebbing awayin front of us,
  • 00:19:16.478 --> 00:19:18.580
  • and then after he's deadhe was still on his neck
  • 00:19:18.580 --> 00:19:21.283
  • for three minutes.
  • 00:19:21.283 --> 00:19:22.784
  • That is just cruelty, that'sa lack of human empathy.
  • 00:19:22.784 --> 00:19:26.555
  • And I don't knowwhat was in the mind
  • 00:19:26.555 --> 00:19:28.357
  • of the officer at that time.
  • 00:19:28.357 --> 00:19:30.092
  • There were four officers there.
  • 00:19:30.092 --> 00:19:32.027
  • You tell me that youall couldn't figure out
  • 00:19:32.027 --> 00:19:34.096
  • a way to pick him upand get him in the car?
  • 00:19:34.096 --> 00:19:36.798
  • I can already see themframing the narrative.
  • 00:19:36.798 --> 00:19:38.867
  • They put out a preliminaryautopsy report that says,
  • 00:19:38.867 --> 00:19:41.169
  • well, he had somecoronary issues
  • 00:19:41.169 --> 00:19:43.538
  • and his arteries were clogged
  • 00:19:43.538 --> 00:19:45.674
  • and he had somehypertension and there might
  • 00:19:45.674 --> 00:19:48.610
  • have been somenarcotics in his system.
  • 00:19:48.610 --> 00:19:50.512
  • And so they'rethrowing that out there
  • 00:19:50.512 --> 00:19:52.214
  • as if in those nine minutes,
  • 00:19:52.214 --> 00:19:56.251
  • you give me the proportionalstatistical possibility
  • 00:19:56.251 --> 00:20:00.389
  • that he was gonna diein those nine minutes
  • 00:20:00.389 --> 00:20:02.924
  • in the back of a carversus having a knee
  • 00:20:02.924 --> 00:20:05.327
  • on his neck,(audience member yells)
  • 00:20:05.327 --> 00:20:06.595
  • and I will tell you thatthat's a valid argument
  • 00:20:06.595 --> 00:20:08.797
  • but it's not a valid argument
  • 00:20:08.797 --> 00:20:10.299
  • and stop dehumanizing himand criminalizing him.
  • 00:20:10.299 --> 00:20:13.368
  • And the people who saywell what did he do,
  • 00:20:13.368 --> 00:20:15.971
  • it wasn't enough to die for.
  • 00:20:15.971 --> 00:20:18.073
  • Even if he did what they said,(audience claps)
  • 00:20:18.073 --> 00:20:19.841
  • which is apparentlymaybe he forged a check,
  • 00:20:19.841 --> 00:20:22.511
  • and if he did, thenserve the time for that
  • 00:20:22.511 --> 00:20:26.615
  • after due process,but you don't die
  • 00:20:26.615 --> 00:20:29.551
  • for writing a bad check,you handle whatever that is.
  • 00:20:29.551 --> 00:20:32.788
  • But it takes an imagelike that the same way
  • 00:20:33.989 --> 00:20:35.857
  • it took the imageof Emmett Till's.
  • 00:20:35.857 --> 00:20:37.826
  • - Open casket for ournation to be shocked
  • 00:20:38.994 --> 00:20:40.829
  • by the brutality ofwhat was happening
  • 00:20:40.829 --> 00:20:42.964
  • in the southern states.
  • 00:20:42.964 --> 00:20:45.467
  • All of us who understandthe geo-religious construct
  • 00:20:45.467 --> 00:20:50.238
  • of the differentversions of Jesus,
  • 00:20:50.238 --> 00:20:52.074
  • depending on what part ofthe country you live in,
  • 00:20:52.074 --> 00:20:54.576
  • 'cause we got a lot ofdevout folk in the south,
  • 00:20:54.576 --> 00:20:57.779
  • but they're real quietabout moments like this
  • 00:20:57.779 --> 00:20:59.748
  • but real loud about their Jesus,
  • 00:20:59.748 --> 00:21:01.717
  • but their Jesus isgun-toting and republican
  • 00:21:01.717 --> 00:21:04.286
  • and black Jesus isdemocrat and liberal.
  • 00:21:04.286 --> 00:21:06.688
  • And the truth is,
  • 00:21:06.688 --> 00:21:07.889
  • Jesus is neither becausehe wasn't political,
  • 00:21:07.889 --> 00:21:09.858
  • he was monarchy,he was spiritual,
  • 00:21:09.858 --> 00:21:12.160
  • and so we need to dealwith Jesus as He is.
  • 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.730
  • (congregation applauds)
  • 00:21:14.730 --> 00:21:16.064
  • But it takes the image of a man
  • 00:21:16.064 --> 00:21:19.801
  • that looks like me,
  • 00:21:19.801 --> 00:21:21.036
  • Ahmaud Arbery shot witha shotgun, jogging.
  • 00:21:21.036 --> 00:21:24.606
  • Breanna Taylor in herhouse, sleep in her bed.
  • 00:21:25.807 --> 00:21:28.744
  • "Sorry, wrong house."
  • 00:21:28.744 --> 00:21:31.046
  • Wrong house and ifyou listen Steven
  • 00:21:32.614 --> 00:21:35.951
  • to the 911 callfrom her boyfriend.
  • 00:21:35.951 --> 00:21:39.454
  • The cops left her there.
  • 00:21:39.454 --> 00:21:40.655
  • They said sorry, "Wrong house."
  • 00:21:40.655 --> 00:21:42.190
  • he had to call 911 toget people to come back.
  • 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:45.527
  • They killed her and left.
  • 00:21:45.527 --> 00:21:47.596
  • And then he had tocall 911 for help.
  • 00:21:47.596 --> 00:21:50.298
  • And then they chargedhim with murder.
  • 00:21:50.298 --> 00:21:52.467
  • This is the reality.
  • 00:21:52.467 --> 00:21:54.069
  • And those images are the things
  • 00:21:54.069 --> 00:21:56.171
  • that shocked us from our apathy.
  • 00:21:56.171 --> 00:21:58.507
  • And so should it take that?
  • 00:21:58.507 --> 00:22:00.642
  • No, it shouldn't.
  • 00:22:00.642 --> 00:22:01.810
  • It shouldn't.
  • 00:22:02.778 --> 00:22:03.612
  • But it has.
  • 00:22:03.612 --> 00:22:04.846
  • - One of the thingsthat I said this week,
  • 00:22:04.846 --> 00:22:07.082
  • was that I have never firsthandexperienced the brutality,
  • 00:22:07.082 --> 00:22:10.852
  • of systemic
  • 00:22:10.852 --> 00:22:12.320
  • and overt racism toward blackmen and women in America.
  • 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:16.858
  • And I thought,
  • 00:22:17.459 --> 00:22:18.693
  • maybe someone willcriticize some of that
  • 00:22:18.693 --> 00:22:20.429
  • and somebody somebody said,"You use the word overt,
  • 00:22:20.429 --> 00:22:24.099
  • "but it's reallythe covert racism
  • 00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:25.567
  • "that we have to bemore concerned about."
  • 00:22:25.567 --> 00:22:27.402
  • Somebody said, "You usethe word systemic racism,
  • 00:22:27.402 --> 00:22:30.071
  • "you're just a pawn forthe mainstream media
  • 00:22:30.071 --> 00:22:31.807
  • "and you're just you'rejust regurgitating terms."
  • 00:22:31.807 --> 00:22:36.044
  • But what I didn't see coming,
  • 00:22:36.044 --> 00:22:37.579
  • this is what I was tellingyou, it's not really funny,
  • 00:22:37.579 --> 00:22:39.614
  • but it's funny andit goes to show how,
  • 00:22:39.614 --> 00:22:41.650
  • we have to speak even thoughpeople may misunderstand.
  • 00:22:43.084 --> 00:22:45.287
  • Somebody actuallysent me a message.
  • 00:22:45.287 --> 00:22:49.324
  • And what they tookoffense with was men
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  • and women who are black.
  • 00:22:52.060 --> 00:22:54.029
  • And they crossedout men and women
  • 00:22:54.029 --> 00:22:55.230
  • and said people,
  • 00:22:55.230 --> 00:22:56.665
  • because by saying men and women,
  • 00:22:56.665 --> 00:22:58.366
  • I was not being genderinclusive enough.
  • 00:22:58.366 --> 00:23:00.535
  • So here I am,
  • 00:23:01.570 --> 00:23:02.604
  • follow the whole thought,
  • 00:23:02.604 --> 00:23:04.873
  • talking about a man who issuffocating on the street,
  • 00:23:04.873 --> 00:23:09.144
  • screaming for his mother,and the injustice of it.
  • 00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:14.149
  • And somebody iscorrecting the typo
  • 00:23:14.149 --> 00:23:16.451
  • like it's a paper with a typo.
  • 00:23:16.451 --> 00:23:20.522
  • And I realized that
  • 00:23:20.522 --> 00:23:22.090
  • if we wait for everyoneto agree with it,
  • 00:23:22.090 --> 00:23:24.659
  • - That's right.
  • 00:23:24.659 --> 00:23:25.927
  • - Or figure out howto say it just right.
  • 00:23:25.927 --> 00:23:29.197
  • It might come out wrong,
  • 00:23:29.197 --> 00:23:31.600
  • but at least we're speaking.- C'mon.
  • 00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:34.302
  • At least we're speaking,- And I may say,
  • 00:23:34.302 --> 00:23:35.136
  • something stupid,
  • 00:23:35.136 --> 00:23:36.571
  • but we have lost thisart of conversation
  • 00:23:36.571 --> 00:23:40.175
  • because we have replaced itwith clicks and comments.
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  • - [Man In The Congregation] Yes.
  • 00:23:43.245 --> 00:23:44.513
  • - And so we don't talkso we don't empathize.
  • 00:23:44.513 --> 00:23:47.382
  • And since we haveno relationships
  • 00:23:47.382 --> 00:23:49.251
  • with people who don'tunderstand our perspective,
  • 00:23:49.251 --> 00:23:51.620
  • we continue touse even religious
  • 00:23:51.620 --> 00:23:53.788
  • as a system toconfirm our biases.
  • 00:23:53.788 --> 00:23:56.258
  • Because we go tochurch with people
  • 00:23:56.258 --> 00:23:57.759
  • who think just likeus, look just like us,
  • 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.661
  • vote just like us,grew up just like us,
  • 00:23:59.661 --> 00:24:01.930
  • sang songs clapped onthe two and the four,
  • 00:24:01.930 --> 00:24:03.732
  • the one in the threeclap just like us
  • 00:24:03.732 --> 00:24:05.800
  • move just like us.
  • 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:07.435
  • And because we never challengeourselves in our perspective,
  • 00:24:07.435 --> 00:24:10.839
  • we stay stuck in statesof spiritual immaturity,
  • 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.676
  • and even regressive stateswhere we can't stand with anyone
  • 00:24:14.676 --> 00:24:18.280
  • because we've never stretched
  • 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:19.681
  • to understand anybodyelse's experience.
  • 00:24:19.681 --> 00:24:22.183
  • (congregation applauds)
  • 00:24:22.183 --> 00:24:24.352
  • - I think
  • 00:24:24.352 --> 00:24:25.854
  • we need to just give Goda five second praise break
  • 00:24:25.854 --> 00:24:27.656
  • all over E-fam.
  • 00:24:27.656 --> 00:24:29.925
  • Rock family.
  • 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:31.793
  • Come on, let'slet's bless Jesus.
  • 00:24:32.961 --> 00:24:33.895
  • (claps)
  • 00:24:33.895 --> 00:24:35.864
  • Pastor Steven, thank you.
  • 00:24:36.831 --> 00:24:39.000
  • Thank you for saying whatyou're saying right now.
  • 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.603
  • Because this is not about arewe saying the perfect thing.
  • 00:24:41.603 --> 00:24:45.473
  • Allow us to have anemotional human moment.
  • 00:24:45.473 --> 00:24:48.343
  • When you read Psalm 137.
  • 00:24:48.343 --> 00:24:50.312
  • The writer says, "How canwe sing in a strange land?"
  • 00:24:50.312 --> 00:24:54.616
  • Then at the end of the song,
  • 00:24:54.616 --> 00:24:55.917
  • he says, "Lord,
  • 00:24:55.917 --> 00:24:57.352
  • "dash my enemies' childrenagainst the rocks."
  • 00:24:57.352 --> 00:25:00.055
  • What a horrible thing to write.
  • 00:25:00.055 --> 00:25:02.324
  • Why is it in the Bible?
  • 00:25:03.258 --> 00:25:04.893
  • Because God allowed
  • 00:25:04.893 --> 00:25:06.428
  • for the human emotion to beexpressed without judgment.
  • 00:25:06.428 --> 00:25:09.464
  • We don't want the truth.
  • 00:25:10.532 --> 00:25:13.134
  • We wanna feel good.
  • 00:25:13.134 --> 00:25:15.036
  • And I wanna say this,
  • 00:25:15.036 --> 00:25:16.271
  • this conversationis not the end.
  • 00:25:16.271 --> 00:25:17.739
  • It's the beginning.
  • 00:25:17.739 --> 00:25:19.040
  • And what I alsowanna say is that
  • 00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:22.477
  • if we only separatethis by race,
  • 00:25:22.477 --> 00:25:25.547
  • we're going to losethe necessary people
  • 00:25:25.547 --> 00:25:27.315
  • that need to be involvedin the conversation.
  • 00:25:27.315 --> 00:25:30.585
  • Every white personis not a racist.
  • 00:25:30.585 --> 00:25:32.587
  • This should not be a place
  • 00:25:32.587 --> 00:25:34.122
  • where white people need toapologize for being white.
  • 00:25:34.122 --> 00:25:36.424
  • "I'm sorry for whatmy ancestors did."
  • 00:25:36.424 --> 00:25:38.126
  • That's great.
  • 00:25:38.126 --> 00:25:39.294
  • But it wasn't you.
  • 00:25:39.294 --> 00:25:40.895
  • Being a part of asystem doesn't mean
  • 00:25:40.895 --> 00:25:42.597
  • that you overtly arecommitting horrific acts.
  • 00:25:42.597 --> 00:25:45.834
  • I think each individual
  • 00:25:45.834 --> 00:25:47.302
  • should be dealt withbased on their character
  • 00:25:47.302 --> 00:25:49.304
  • and what they're doing.
  • 00:25:49.304 --> 00:25:50.772
  • And so white people shouldnot be sitting around
  • 00:25:50.772 --> 00:25:54.175
  • feeling guiltybecause they're white.
  • 00:25:54.175 --> 00:25:56.044
  • And people who say thingslike this really scare me.
  • 00:25:56.044 --> 00:25:58.546
  • "God doesn't see color."
  • 00:25:58.546 --> 00:25:59.848
  • "I've never seen color."
  • 00:25:59.848 --> 00:26:01.449
  • "I'm colorblind."
  • 00:26:01.449 --> 00:26:02.984
  • Then you got a problem,because God is not colorblind,
  • 00:26:02.984 --> 00:26:06.054
  • or culture blind.
  • 00:26:06.054 --> 00:26:07.589
  • He created color and culturebecause he wanted diversity,
  • 00:26:07.589 --> 00:26:11.092
  • which is in John 17.
  • 00:26:11.092 --> 00:26:12.827
  • Father, make them oneas you and I are one,
  • 00:26:12.827 --> 00:26:16.297
  • which means diversitywas the seed
  • 00:26:16.297 --> 00:26:18.967
  • to see if we wouldlay down our culture
  • 00:26:18.967 --> 00:26:21.369
  • and pick up the kingdom.
  • 00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:23.038
  • And that's why thisconversation is important.
  • 00:26:23.038 --> 00:26:25.874
  • All white peoplearen't bad any more
  • 00:26:25.874 --> 00:26:27.475
  • than all black peopleare good and altruistic.
  • 00:26:27.475 --> 00:26:29.744
  • You've got individuals
  • 00:26:29.744 --> 00:26:31.146
  • that are broken in everyrace in every culture
  • 00:26:31.146 --> 00:26:34.149
  • and subsection.
  • 00:26:34.149 --> 00:26:35.417
  • But this is anecessary conversation.
  • 00:26:35.417 --> 00:26:38.253
  • And it should not be approached
  • 00:26:38.253 --> 00:26:39.854
  • from a judgmental perspective.
  • 00:26:39.854 --> 00:26:42.190
  • And I don't wantpeople feeling like
  • 00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:44.025
  • they are alreadybeing judged as wrong.
  • 00:26:44.025 --> 00:26:46.695
  • Or judge us unworthy of change
  • 00:26:46.695 --> 00:26:50.598
  • because of thepain of the moment.
  • 00:26:50.598 --> 00:26:52.434
  • On the other side,
  • 00:26:52.434 --> 00:26:53.902
  • I shouldn't have totemper my emotions
  • 00:26:53.902 --> 00:26:57.405
  • to quell to your discomfort.
  • 00:26:57.405 --> 00:27:00.241
  • I'm enraged.
  • 00:27:00.241 --> 00:27:01.943
  • I'm also scared,because it could be me.
  • 00:27:01.943 --> 00:27:05.380
  • It's enough that there's avirus that's killing people
  • 00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:08.650
  • that look like me at adisproportionate rate.
  • 00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:12.287
  • I got a virus that I got a fight
  • 00:27:12.287 --> 00:27:14.189
  • and there's avirus called racism
  • 00:27:14.189 --> 00:27:16.791
  • that I've been fighting.
  • 00:27:16.791 --> 00:27:18.026
  • So the pressureof both is a lot.
  • 00:27:18.026 --> 00:27:21.096
  • And I think that we needto be able to be okay
  • 00:27:21.096 --> 00:27:23.965
  • with the conversation
  • 00:27:23.965 --> 00:27:25.633
  • without shreddingeach other's humanity.
  • 00:27:25.633 --> 00:27:28.737
  • - [Pastor Steven] Yeah.
  • 00:27:28.737 --> 00:27:29.604
  • - We're not monolithic.
  • 00:27:31.406 --> 00:27:32.674
  • All African Americansdon't think the same.
  • 00:27:32.674 --> 00:27:34.409
  • All white peopledon't think the same.
  • 00:27:34.409 --> 00:27:36.745
  • I went to the White House.
  • 00:27:36.745 --> 00:27:38.113
  • And brother, black people
  • 00:27:38.113 --> 00:27:39.514
  • were finished with me,"Oh, no he didn't."
  • 00:27:39.514 --> 00:27:42.417
  • "I know he wasn'tup there with him."
  • 00:27:42.417 --> 00:27:44.619
  • Because black people havebeen in so much pain,
  • 00:27:44.619 --> 00:27:48.289
  • that what they saw,
  • 00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:49.824
  • was someone who identifieswith, who has now become.
  • 00:27:49.824 --> 00:27:53.661
  • too many of them, the pictureof systemic oppression.
  • 00:27:53.661 --> 00:27:58.666
  • They saw an image butdidn't see the substance.
  • 00:28:00.068 --> 00:28:01.736
  • When I went to the White House,
  • 00:28:01.736 --> 00:28:03.271
  • I went because I wanted totalk about prison reform.
  • 00:28:03.271 --> 00:28:05.507
  • I don't work forthat administration.
  • 00:28:05.507 --> 00:28:08.843
  • I've not received anything,
  • 00:28:08.843 --> 00:28:10.512
  • but I needed tosit at the table.
  • 00:28:10.512 --> 00:28:12.914
  • I thought it was important.
  • 00:28:12.914 --> 00:28:14.282
  • And it turns outthat legislation
  • 00:28:14.282 --> 00:28:16.417
  • that I went to speak about
  • 00:28:16.417 --> 00:28:18.286
  • was one of the few bipartisanpieces of legislation
  • 00:28:18.286 --> 00:28:21.956
  • that helped blackand brown people
  • 00:28:21.956 --> 00:28:23.792
  • to get out of the prisonindustrial complex.
  • 00:28:23.792 --> 00:28:28.797
  • But people didn't see that.
  • 00:28:29.664 --> 00:28:30.899
  • And I understand why.
  • 00:28:30.899 --> 00:28:32.700
  • Because when you're in pain,
  • 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.569
  • the first thing I see,
  • 00:28:34.569 --> 00:28:35.937
  • is the thing Iremember the most.
  • 00:28:35.937 --> 00:28:38.106
  • So I have to understand
  • 00:28:38.106 --> 00:28:39.574
  • that even thoughmy heart was pure,
  • 00:28:39.574 --> 00:28:41.976
  • so was their pain.
  • 00:28:41.976 --> 00:28:44.179
  • And so I have to understand
  • 00:28:44.179 --> 00:28:46.214
  • that we're at a verysensitive place.
  • 00:28:46.214 --> 00:28:48.383
  • - But see, I can'thave a black couple
  • 00:28:49.551 --> 00:28:51.252
  • that sits on the front rowof my Sunday 9:30 every week,
  • 00:28:51.252 --> 00:28:55.190
  • email me and say, "Pray for us,
  • 00:28:55.190 --> 00:28:57.859
  • "It's been a hard week.
  • 00:28:57.859 --> 00:28:59.694
  • That, "My husband hadthe police called on him
  • 00:28:59.694 --> 00:29:01.763
  • "for taking out thetrash too late at night
  • 00:29:01.763 --> 00:29:03.998
  • "in our neighborhood."
  • 00:29:03.998 --> 00:29:05.099
  • And refuse to feelthat and celebrate,
  • 00:29:07.902 --> 00:29:11.105
  • we're a diverse church.
  • 00:29:11.973 --> 00:29:14.275
  • Blessed are the peacemakers.
  • 00:29:14.275 --> 00:29:16.377
  • Pull the string
  • 00:29:16.377 --> 00:29:17.779
  • and let Jesus say somethingto ignore the issue
  • 00:29:17.779 --> 00:29:19.514
  • that is really beneath.
  • 00:29:19.514 --> 00:29:20.582
  • - Jesus.
  • 00:29:20.582 --> 00:29:22.050
  • - To me, that would bethe essence of hypocrisy.
  • 00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:24.652
  • But a lot of people
  • 00:29:24.652 --> 00:29:25.820
  • don't get to haveconversations like this
  • 00:29:25.820 --> 00:29:27.155
  • or they won't or they're scared,
  • 00:29:27.155 --> 00:29:28.656
  • they'll say it wrong or theydon't wanna take the time,
  • 00:29:28.656 --> 00:29:31.059
  • they don't wanna knowor they'll just say,
  • 00:29:31.059 --> 00:29:32.594
  • I could never understand
  • 00:29:32.594 --> 00:29:34.229
  • what you need tostart understanding,because it's real.
  • 00:29:34.229 --> 00:29:36.231
  • - [Pastor] That's it.
  • 00:29:36.231 --> 00:29:37.432
  • - And avoiding itwon't make it go away.
  • 00:29:37.432 --> 00:29:38.633
  • So we've got tostart understanding
  • 00:29:38.633 --> 00:29:40.034
  • we've got to start reading,
  • 00:29:40.034 --> 00:29:41.236
  • we've got to startlearning some things,
  • 00:29:41.236 --> 00:29:42.570
  • exposing some things.
  • 00:29:42.570 --> 00:29:43.771
  • The light of the world,
  • 00:29:44.639 --> 00:29:45.840
  • Jesus said, "You arethe light of the world."
  • 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:47.108
  • I always thought thatmeant, quote, scriptures
  • 00:29:47.108 --> 00:29:48.943
  • and witness to people.
  • 00:29:48.943 --> 00:29:50.278
  • It means don't be ignorant.
  • 00:29:50.278 --> 00:29:51.779
  • It means we've got toshine light on ignorance.
  • 00:29:53.181 --> 00:29:55.850
  • - That's right.
  • 00:29:55.850 --> 00:29:57.051
  • - We've got to haverevelation about things
  • 00:29:57.051 --> 00:29:58.319
  • that we don't understand.
  • 00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.454
  • Just because Ihaven't experienced it
  • 00:29:59.454 --> 00:30:01.256
  • doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
  • 00:30:01.256 --> 00:30:02.757
  • - This is thepower of the moment
  • 00:30:02.757 --> 00:30:04.759
  • that I didn't try to be someone
  • 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.494
  • who's trying to build bridges.
  • 00:30:06.494 --> 00:30:07.662
  • I've had to build them.
  • 00:30:07.662 --> 00:30:08.997
  • The problem with peoplewho build bridges
  • 00:30:08.997 --> 00:30:10.999
  • is when you lay yourself down,
  • 00:30:10.999 --> 00:30:12.367
  • they walk all over you.
  • 00:30:12.367 --> 00:30:14.102
  • And they often don't seeyour value until it's over.
  • 00:30:14.102 --> 00:30:16.971
  • I told you personally,
  • 00:30:16.971 --> 00:30:18.806
  • I said, "I don't reallythink things will change
  • 00:30:18.806 --> 00:30:20.174
  • "either until somebodylike me gets killed."
  • 00:30:20.174 --> 00:30:22.644
  • I said it to my wife.
  • 00:30:22.644 --> 00:30:23.878
  • I hope it doesn't happen.
  • 00:30:25.113 --> 00:30:26.614
  • I want to live, I want to walkmy daughter down the aisle.
  • 00:30:26.614 --> 00:30:28.950
  • But it takes somebodylike that to die,
  • 00:30:28.950 --> 00:30:30.752
  • so somebody say thiscan't keep going.
  • 00:30:30.752 --> 00:30:33.421
  • But it was organic,
  • 00:30:33.421 --> 00:30:35.223
  • your connectionto the community.
  • 00:30:35.223 --> 00:30:38.059
  • - That you would end uppastoring was organic.
  • 00:30:39.227 --> 00:30:41.095
  • And then it became intentional.
  • 00:30:41.095 --> 00:30:42.964
  • Because I do believe thatthere is an intentionality
  • 00:30:42.964 --> 00:30:45.199
  • to continuing theconversations around diversity.
  • 00:30:45.199 --> 00:30:48.336
  • And in the church, wehave run the other way.
  • 00:30:48.336 --> 00:30:51.272
  • After Brown versus Topeka,
  • 00:30:51.272 --> 00:30:53.675
  • the proliferation ofChristian Schools,
  • 00:30:53.675 --> 00:30:56.711
  • which was a nice way of saying,
  • 00:30:56.711 --> 00:30:58.179
  • "I don't want my white kidsgoing to school with black kids,
  • 00:30:58.179 --> 00:31:01.115
  • "So I'ma put Jesusin front of it
  • 00:31:01.115 --> 00:31:02.750
  • "and call it a Christian school,
  • 00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:04.285
  • "put intuition on it,
  • 00:31:04.285 --> 00:31:05.753
  • "and not let my kids go toschool with these black kids."
  • 00:31:05.753 --> 00:31:09.090
  • That's where that happened.
  • 00:31:09.090 --> 00:31:10.692
  • The Baptist, SouthernBaptist, Southern Christian,
  • 00:31:10.692 --> 00:31:14.896
  • we see Jesus is okay withus owning other humans,
  • 00:31:14.896 --> 00:31:18.833
  • So let's keep singing whata friend we have in Jesus
  • 00:31:18.833 --> 00:31:21.569
  • while owning people.
  • 00:31:21.569 --> 00:31:23.504
  • And so when you think aboutthe silence of the church,
  • 00:31:23.504 --> 00:31:26.841
  • and somebody asked me,
  • 00:31:26.841 --> 00:31:28.343
  • "How come you think more whitepastors don't speak out?"
  • 00:31:28.343 --> 00:31:31.279
  • And I said, "'Cause it'llmess up their money."
  • 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.548
  • It'll mess up their time
  • 00:31:34.482 --> 00:31:36.050
  • because they havetoo many people
  • 00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:37.618
  • who think opposite of justice,not race, just justice.
  • 00:31:37.618 --> 00:31:41.789
  • Just humanity.
  • 00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:43.157
  • And they're afraid,
  • 00:31:43.157 --> 00:31:44.759
  • and I think that's why Godwants to tear it all down.
  • 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.395
  • The first thing Jesus didin the last week of his life
  • 00:31:47.395 --> 00:31:49.630
  • was turn over the tableof the money changers.
  • 00:31:49.630 --> 00:31:51.766
  • So this is not about money.
  • 00:31:51.766 --> 00:31:53.334
  • If you're afraidyou're gonna lose ties,
  • 00:31:53.334 --> 00:31:55.603
  • because you speak outagainst injustice,
  • 00:31:55.603 --> 00:31:57.638
  • maybe you shouldn't bepastoring right now.
  • 00:31:57.638 --> 00:31:59.440
  • (audience clapping)
  • 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.310
  • If you don't careabout the humanity,
  • 00:32:02.310 --> 00:32:04.846
  • of somebody dying on the street,
  • 00:32:04.846 --> 00:32:06.581
  • and here's the thing,
  • 00:32:06.581 --> 00:32:08.049
  • if it was a white woman witha black cop on her neck,
  • 00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:11.185
  • I'd still be on this stage,
  • 00:32:11.185 --> 00:32:12.920
  • because that is as wrongas Big Floyd dying.
  • 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.824
  • This is not about color for me.
  • 00:32:16.824 --> 00:32:18.726
  • This is about systemicoppression of people in power
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  • that are supposed toprotect and serve,
  • 00:32:21.763 --> 00:32:23.698
  • and that's years in the making.
  • 00:32:23.698 --> 00:32:26.100
  • And again, this is thesilence of the church
  • 00:32:26.100 --> 00:32:29.103
  • that must be addressed.
  • 00:32:29.103 --> 00:32:30.772
  • This conversation is thebeginning of something
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  • that I think morechurches need to have.
  • 00:32:33.908 --> 00:32:36.978
  • It's so much that Iwanna say but i know--
  • 00:32:36.978 --> 00:32:39.280
  • - I was thinking before we came,
  • 00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:41.482
  • I wish that thechurch could be full.
  • 00:32:41.482 --> 00:32:43.217
  • I wish we could be together
  • 00:32:43.217 --> 00:32:44.719
  • because this week has beenso lonely for so many people
  • 00:32:44.719 --> 00:32:48.089
  • and to process in churchtogether would be beautiful.
  • 00:32:48.089 --> 00:32:51.926
  • But then I shiftedand I thought,
  • 00:32:51.926 --> 00:32:54.095
  • I'm glad that the conversationwill be happening in homes,
  • 00:32:54.095 --> 00:32:59.000
  • that,- [John] Perfect
  • 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.535
  • - Hundreds ofthousands of people
  • 00:33:00.535 --> 00:33:02.837
  • will be experiencing thisconversation in their home,
  • 00:33:02.837 --> 00:33:05.740
  • because if the conversationhappens in the home,
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  • - [John] Steven Furtickyou better preach.
  • 00:33:11.846 --> 00:33:13.881
  • (crowd cheering)
  • 00:33:13.881 --> 00:33:15.483
  • - I looked at Elijah whenhe said, "It's hopeless."
  • 00:33:15.483 --> 00:33:20.488
  • I said, if I gave into that,
  • 00:33:21.622 --> 00:33:23.324
  • if I gave into that,
  • 00:33:24.792 --> 00:33:26.627
  • I'd be sacrificingan entire generation
  • 00:33:26.627 --> 00:33:28.863
  • and I would have no reason
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  • to ever stand upand preach again.
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  • So I refuse to submit to that.
  • 00:33:31.365 --> 00:33:32.500
  • I refuse to surrenderto darkness.
  • 00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:34.469
  • I'm not ready to do that- [John] come on.
  • 00:33:34.469 --> 00:33:36.637
  • - At the same time,
  • 00:33:37.538 --> 00:33:38.806
  • like to think thatone person's life,
  • 00:33:38.806 --> 00:33:42.043
  • mind, heart would change,not just feel guilty,
  • 00:33:42.043 --> 00:33:46.147
  • I think that'sstopping well short
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  • of what's really gonnabring about any change.
  • 00:33:50.218 --> 00:33:53.955
  • Like guilt is not a strategy.
  • 00:33:53.955 --> 00:33:55.623
  • You know, I feelso bad about that,
  • 00:33:57.825 --> 00:33:59.727
  • and I'm white, and I don'tknow what it's like to be black
  • 00:33:59.727 --> 00:34:03.231
  • and I feel so bad, youknow, broken heart emoji,
  • 00:34:03.231 --> 00:34:06.134
  • I feel horrible.
  • 00:34:06.134 --> 00:34:07.935
  • Guilt is not a strategy.
  • 00:34:07.935 --> 00:34:09.137
  • But maybe we don't know
  • 00:34:09.137 --> 00:34:10.771
  • the difference betweenguilt and repentance.
  • 00:34:10.771 --> 00:34:13.207
  • Because I've nevertalked to a black friend
  • 00:34:15.476 --> 00:34:18.479
  • or someone who goes to churchhere who is black that said,
  • 00:34:18.479 --> 00:34:22.383
  • "what I want youto do is feel bad."
  • 00:34:22.383 --> 00:34:24.886
  • - [John] That's right.
  • 00:34:24.886 --> 00:34:25.887
  • - Would you justfeel bad for me?
  • 00:34:25.887 --> 00:34:27.121
  • Would you just feelbad about things?
  • 00:34:27.121 --> 00:34:28.556
  • Feeling bad doesn'tchange anything.
  • 00:34:28.556 --> 00:34:30.358
  • But repentance isdifferent than guilt.
  • 00:34:31.492 --> 00:34:34.162
  • Repentance means changedirection in the Old Testament.
  • 00:34:34.162 --> 00:34:38.499
  • - [John] Right.
  • 00:34:38.499 --> 00:34:39.767
  • - And change your mindin the New Testament.
  • 00:34:39.767 --> 00:34:41.936
  • - [John] Yes sir.
  • 00:34:41.936 --> 00:34:43.404
  • - And so it means we changedirection, we do it differently.
  • 00:34:43.404 --> 00:34:46.874
  • We have to do it differently.
  • 00:34:46.874 --> 00:34:48.943
  • We have to do this differentlythan we've been doing it
  • 00:34:48.943 --> 00:34:52.079
  • or we're gonnacontinue to see this
  • 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.448
  • and then we're gonna feel bad
  • 00:34:54.448 --> 00:34:55.950
  • and then we're gonna see itand then we're gonna feel bad.
  • 00:34:55.950 --> 00:34:57.185
  • The only way to breakthe cycle is to repent.
  • 00:34:57.185 --> 00:34:59.720
  • And we were talking on the phone
  • 00:34:59.720 --> 00:35:01.789
  • about we can't justcome out, sit down
  • 00:35:01.789 --> 00:35:03.558
  • and wash each other's feet
  • 00:35:03.558 --> 00:35:04.959
  • and sing a bridgeover Troubled Waters
  • 00:35:04.959 --> 00:35:06.394
  • and pass it on LightCandles and Kumbaya,
  • 00:35:06.394 --> 00:35:08.529
  • cause, you know, atthe end of the day,
  • 00:35:08.529 --> 00:35:10.464
  • that would just benothing but an anesthetic.
  • 00:35:10.464 --> 00:35:12.733
  • But to really repentin your heart and say,
  • 00:35:14.101 --> 00:35:16.904
  • "Have I changed my mind?
  • 00:35:16.904 --> 00:35:18.272
  • "Do I see thingslike God sees it?
  • 00:35:18.272 --> 00:35:20.141
  • "Or do I still allow in myheart these corners of darkness,
  • 00:35:20.141 --> 00:35:24.111
  • "that I make assumptions
  • 00:35:24.111 --> 00:35:25.513
  • "and that I allowprejudice and I excuse it?
  • 00:35:25.513 --> 00:35:27.748
  • "Do I allow those conversations?
  • 00:35:27.748 --> 00:35:29.884
  • "Do I participate in them?
  • 00:35:29.884 --> 00:35:31.452
  • "Do I advocate them?
  • 00:35:31.452 --> 00:35:32.787
  • "Do I co-sign themby my silence?"
  • 00:35:32.787 --> 00:35:34.989
  • That's repentance.
  • 00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:36.490
  • Repentance ischanging direction.
  • 00:35:36.490 --> 00:35:38.960
  • Repentance ismoving differently,thinking differently,
  • 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.496
  • speaking differently,
  • 00:35:42.496 --> 00:35:44.532
  • refusing to contributeby indifference.
  • 00:35:44.532 --> 00:35:47.635
  • - [John] Yeah.
  • 00:35:47.635 --> 00:35:49.103
  • - So I think the better biblicalresponse to this is repent,
  • 00:35:49.103 --> 00:35:52.440
  • which isn't lay on thefloor and just cry.
  • 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.243
  • It's to get up and walkin a different direction.
  • 00:35:55.243 --> 00:35:57.545
  • - Yes, sir. Yes, sir.(audience clapping)
  • 00:35:57.545 --> 00:36:02.183
  • When you talk aboutchanging direction,
  • 00:36:03.851 --> 00:36:07.188
  • the questions that Ithink white people need
  • 00:36:07.188 --> 00:36:11.092
  • to be asking themselvesin this moment,
  • 00:36:11.092 --> 00:36:13.127
  • "What is in my heartabout black people?
  • 00:36:16.063 --> 00:36:21.068
  • "And how did it get there?"
  • 00:36:21.936 --> 00:36:22.737
  • - [Steven] Great.
  • 00:36:22.737 --> 00:36:24.205
  • - Cause there are people whosay, "I'm cool with everybody."
  • 00:36:24.205 --> 00:36:27.108
  • How cool are you?
  • 00:36:27.108 --> 00:36:28.342
  • Are you cool enough tolet your white daughter
  • 00:36:28.342 --> 00:36:30.144
  • marry a black man?
  • 00:36:30.144 --> 00:36:32.213
  • "Oh, yeah, that's no problem."
  • 00:36:32.213 --> 00:36:33.881
  • What about your mom,would she be okay with it?
  • 00:36:33.881 --> 00:36:37.084
  • Aunts and uncles.
  • 00:36:37.084 --> 00:36:38.119
  • I know Abby and John
  • 00:36:38.919 --> 00:36:40.655
  • are about a year apart.
  • 00:36:40.655 --> 00:36:41.922
  • My son, your daughter,
  • 00:36:41.922 --> 00:36:43.457
  • I hope they grow uptogether worshiping God
  • 00:36:43.457 --> 00:36:45.893
  • with the amazing gravesin the garden's box set.
  • 00:36:45.893 --> 00:36:49.597
  • (laughs)And you know, first of all,
  • 00:36:49.597 --> 00:36:51.165
  • I'm so sick of you writingbangers, I'm really tired of it,
  • 00:36:51.165 --> 00:36:54.669
  • and I wanna sit in thewriting room with you,
  • 00:36:54.669 --> 00:36:56.237
  • but enough about that.
  • 00:36:56.237 --> 00:36:57.638
  • But would they be okay?
  • 00:36:59.206 --> 00:37:01.275
  • With Charlotte, they'dprobably be cool.
  • 00:37:01.275 --> 00:37:03.177
  • But if they were walking downthe street at Moncks Corner,
  • 00:37:03.177 --> 00:37:05.046
  • just as friends wouldsomebody have a problem?
  • 00:37:05.046 --> 00:37:07.548
  • If they were sitting in a diner,
  • 00:37:07.548 --> 00:37:09.450
  • would your familybe okay with that?
  • 00:37:09.450 --> 00:37:11.519
  • We need to startasking those questions.
  • 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.054
  • That's why this conversationneeds to be at home,
  • 00:37:13.054 --> 00:37:15.589
  • because it's one thingto be nice to me here,
  • 00:37:15.589 --> 00:37:18.726
  • but how many N wordsam I at your house?
  • 00:37:18.726 --> 00:37:20.995
  • How many H words arewhite people in my house?
  • 00:37:22.596 --> 00:37:26.367
  • See, cause it goes both ways.
  • 00:37:26.367 --> 00:37:27.835
  • I don't wanna see becausewhat we can't do here
  • 00:37:27.835 --> 00:37:30.104
  • is absolve any communityfrom responsibility.
  • 00:37:30.104 --> 00:37:33.074
  • If we're going toreally have healing,
  • 00:37:33.074 --> 00:37:34.842
  • then we need to deal with theanger and the pain on one side
  • 00:37:34.842 --> 00:37:37.378
  • and the indifference andthe apathy on the other.
  • 00:37:37.378 --> 00:37:39.180
  • (crowd clapping)
  • 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:41.982
  • There is responsibility.
  • 00:37:41.982 --> 00:37:43.651
  • I don't get to usemy pain as a pulpit
  • 00:37:43.651 --> 00:37:46.120
  • to get angry atevery white person,
  • 00:37:46.120 --> 00:37:48.189
  • when there are some areasof collective responsibility
  • 00:37:48.189 --> 00:37:50.524
  • that I need to take.
  • 00:37:50.524 --> 00:37:52.059
  • But on the other side,
  • 00:37:52.059 --> 00:37:53.594
  • if we're really goingto change our minds,
  • 00:37:53.594 --> 00:37:56.163
  • we need to be honestabout what's in there
  • 00:37:56.163 --> 00:37:57.932
  • in the first place,
  • 00:37:57.932 --> 00:37:59.200
  • and how it got there.
  • 00:37:59.200 --> 00:38:00.501
  • - [Steven] And how it got there
  • 00:38:00.501 --> 00:38:01.335
  • - And how it got there.
  • 00:38:01.335 --> 00:38:03.037
  • - And we get to affect that,
  • 00:38:03.037 --> 00:38:04.372
  • because that's theidea that I have
  • 00:38:04.372 --> 00:38:07.441
  • if we change oneperson's heart and mind,
  • 00:38:07.441 --> 00:38:09.543
  • if God changes oneperson's heart and mind
  • 00:38:09.543 --> 00:38:11.645
  • through this conversation today,
  • 00:38:11.645 --> 00:38:13.147
  • or even if we can modellike this needs to happen
  • 00:38:13.147 --> 00:38:17.051
  • at the kitchen table,
  • 00:38:17.051 --> 00:38:18.686
  • this needs to happen notonly as a token conversation
  • 00:38:18.686 --> 00:38:23.691
  • in a moment that is as flagrantas the moment that we're in,
  • 00:38:25.092 --> 00:38:28.596
  • but it should be acourse of conversation
  • 00:38:28.596 --> 00:38:31.432
  • for followers of Christ thatreally permeates our lives
  • 00:38:31.432 --> 00:38:36.137
  • and that's why I've kindaSomebody will always say,
  • 00:38:36.137 --> 00:38:39.874
  • "That's fine, you're talking,
  • 00:38:39.874 --> 00:38:41.142
  • "but what are youdoing about it?"
  • 00:38:41.142 --> 00:38:43.577
  • And I've given my lifeto try to build something
  • 00:38:43.577 --> 00:38:47.648
  • that represented more thanjust one group of people.
  • 00:38:47.648 --> 00:38:51.819
  • At the same time,
  • 00:38:51.819 --> 00:38:53.087
  • John, there has to bemore than just words.
  • 00:38:53.087 --> 00:38:56.757
  • So if we say thisconversation is a start,
  • 00:38:56.757 --> 00:38:58.893
  • but it's not a solution.
  • 00:38:58.893 --> 00:39:00.294
  • What's in your heart thatyou wanna see people do
  • 00:39:01.896 --> 00:39:04.965
  • from watching us talk today?
  • 00:39:04.965 --> 00:39:06.133
  • Do, not just say,
  • 00:39:06.133 --> 00:39:07.435
  • do, not just think,
  • 00:39:07.435 --> 00:39:08.602
  • do, not just post.
  • 00:39:08.602 --> 00:39:09.937
  • What do you reallywanna see people do?
  • 00:39:11.105 --> 00:39:13.474
  • - I want this conversation tobegin to be the tipping point
  • 00:39:13.474 --> 00:39:17.511
  • for the church to have thenecessary conversations
  • 00:39:17.511 --> 00:39:20.881
  • around true reconciliation,
  • 00:39:20.881 --> 00:39:22.850
  • one to anotheraccording to John 17,
  • 00:39:22.850 --> 00:39:24.752
  • because if we don'thave the presence of God
  • 00:39:24.752 --> 00:39:26.754
  • in the conversation,in our hearts,
  • 00:39:26.754 --> 00:39:29.156
  • then empathy and compassionand activism won't matter.
  • 00:39:29.156 --> 00:39:33.527
  • What I want is for this tobegin the necessary dialogue
  • 00:39:33.527 --> 00:39:37.364
  • that we need to havewith one another.
  • 00:39:37.364 --> 00:39:39.233
  • And then we need to havereal world application
  • 00:39:39.233 --> 00:39:42.536
  • in real time when we seeinjustice and systemic injustice
  • 00:39:42.536 --> 00:39:46.340
  • on the local, regionaland national levels
  • 00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:48.876
  • to mobilize and everybody move
  • 00:39:48.876 --> 00:39:50.344
  • in that direction towards that.
  • 00:39:50.344 --> 00:39:51.812
  • Once that's done, then let'sgo in another direction.
  • 00:39:51.812 --> 00:39:54.348
  • We've been talking aboutThe Bridge since 2018.
  • 00:39:54.348 --> 00:39:56.917
  • There's a websitethat's live right now,
  • 00:39:56.917 --> 00:39:59.186
  • as of this moment calledBecome The Bridge.
  • 00:39:59.186 --> 00:40:01.455
  • And all I'm saying is ifeverybody would go there,
  • 00:40:01.455 --> 00:40:04.325
  • just go to Become The Bridge,
  • 00:40:04.325 --> 00:40:05.960
  • and if you wanna be apart of the solution,
  • 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.095
  • we're going to have,here's the thing.
  • 00:40:08.095 --> 00:40:10.331
  • We're going to teach people,
  • 00:40:10.331 --> 00:40:12.166
  • because there are a lot ofpeople who genuinely don't know
  • 00:40:12.166 --> 00:40:14.969
  • what's been going on,- [Steven] Right.
  • 00:40:14.969 --> 00:40:16.504
  • - And so there's, it'sone thing to be angry,
  • 00:40:16.504 --> 00:40:19.173
  • or prejudice, it's anotherthing to be apathetic
  • 00:40:19.173 --> 00:40:22.409
  • because you don't know.
  • 00:40:22.409 --> 00:40:23.811
  • So let's talk aboutwhat's really going on
  • 00:40:23.811 --> 00:40:26.180
  • and let's have conversationcause I need to know
  • 00:40:26.180 --> 00:40:27.882
  • your experience as well.
  • 00:40:27.882 --> 00:40:29.717
  • See because thathelps me to understand
  • 00:40:29.717 --> 00:40:30.951
  • how you arrived at your...
  • 00:40:30.951 --> 00:40:33.153
  • - Conclusions about people,
  • 00:40:38.792 --> 00:40:40.027
  • and you need to knowwhere I come from.
  • 00:40:40.027 --> 00:40:41.462
  • Strangest thing inGreenville, South Carolina,
  • 00:40:41.462 --> 00:40:44.064
  • I pastored a multiculturalmulti-generational church.
  • 00:40:44.064 --> 00:40:47.234
  • It's I can see why Blackpeople would follow you.
  • 00:40:47.234 --> 00:40:50.471
  • It's organic, it's alsoingrained in the system
  • 00:40:50.471 --> 00:40:53.741
  • that Black peopleconnect to White leaders
  • 00:40:53.741 --> 00:40:56.010
  • in a different waythan White people
  • 00:40:56.010 --> 00:40:57.711
  • connect to Black leaders.
  • 00:40:57.711 --> 00:40:58.679
  • - [Steven] Understood.
  • 00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.914
  • - So it's a miraclethat any White person
  • 00:40:59.914 --> 00:41:01.282
  • goes to my church inthe middle of the South.
  • 00:41:01.282 --> 00:41:03.751
  • And that's a testimony to God,
  • 00:41:03.751 --> 00:41:05.853
  • but the conversation needs to be
  • 00:41:05.853 --> 00:41:07.721
  • how do we all meeton this bridge,
  • 00:41:07.721 --> 00:41:10.024
  • and what is thepurpose of unity.
  • 00:41:10.024 --> 00:41:12.126
  • Unity is not uniformity.
  • 00:41:12.126 --> 00:41:14.194
  • We're not gonnaagree on everything
  • 00:41:14.194 --> 00:41:16.096
  • but I'm gonna fightfor you until I die.
  • 00:41:16.096 --> 00:41:18.265
  • And Elijah, andGraham, and Abby,
  • 00:41:18.265 --> 00:41:19.934
  • are gonna have an uncle in me,
  • 00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:21.502
  • and it doesn't mean that Ihave the same bloodline as you,
  • 00:41:21.502 --> 00:41:24.271
  • but I do have the samespiritual lineage as you.
  • 00:41:24.271 --> 00:41:26.440
  • - [Woman] Right.
  • 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:27.408
  • - And I'm gonna fight for them
  • 00:41:27.408 --> 00:41:28.676
  • to have the same level(audience clapping)
  • 00:41:28.676 --> 00:41:30.244
  • of quality of life that Iwant for my own children.
  • 00:41:30.244 --> 00:41:32.613
  • And so, us havingthis conversation
  • 00:41:32.613 --> 00:41:35.349
  • is coming from our safe zone,
  • 00:41:35.349 --> 00:41:36.984
  • stepping onto thebridge and saying,
  • 00:41:36.984 --> 00:41:38.652
  • "Let's have the uncomfortableinitial conversation,
  • 00:41:38.652 --> 00:41:41.622
  • "and let's invite family in."
  • 00:41:41.622 --> 00:41:43.724
  • But then, let's start havingthe ability to talk online.
  • 00:41:43.724 --> 00:41:47.695
  • And then, here's a worksheet,
  • 00:41:47.695 --> 00:41:48.896
  • so you can talk throughsome of these areas.
  • 00:41:48.896 --> 00:41:51.098
  • And then later, let'sget some systemic issues
  • 00:41:51.098 --> 00:41:54.535
  • like redlining, andcredit worthiness,
  • 00:41:54.535 --> 00:41:58.038
  • and the ability to geta small business loan,
  • 00:41:58.038 --> 00:42:00.641
  • which is easier forsome than others.
  • 00:42:00.641 --> 00:42:02.443
  • Let's talk about that,
  • 00:42:02.443 --> 00:42:03.978
  • because it's not just about
  • 00:42:03.978 --> 00:42:05.312
  • you don't like mebecause I'm Black,
  • 00:42:05.312 --> 00:42:06.614
  • and I don't like youbecause you're White.
  • 00:42:06.614 --> 00:42:08.749
  • I'm hurting becauseI can't get a loan,
  • 00:42:08.749 --> 00:42:11.285
  • and you can with thesame credit score,
  • 00:42:11.285 --> 00:42:13.787
  • and the same tax returns.
  • 00:42:13.787 --> 00:42:17.257
  • But because of thecolor of my skin,
  • 00:42:17.257 --> 00:42:18.792
  • I don't have accessto credit or capital.
  • 00:42:18.792 --> 00:42:21.195
  • Some of this is systemic,some of it is monetary,
  • 00:42:21.195 --> 00:42:23.864
  • but all of it isrooted spiritually.
  • 00:42:23.864 --> 00:42:25.833
  • So the websitebecome the bridge.
  • 00:42:25.833 --> 00:42:27.501
  • It's a place where we can have
  • 00:42:27.501 --> 00:42:29.203
  • the first conversation.
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  • Then, we're gonnamobilize from there,
  • 00:42:30.671 --> 00:42:32.106
  • and in every single region,
  • 00:42:32.106 --> 00:42:34.074
  • we're going to lift up people
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  • who have empathy, compassion,
  • 00:42:35.676 --> 00:42:37.911
  • and a heart for diversity.
  • 00:42:37.911 --> 00:42:39.680
  • True inclusion, not this softKumbaya, it doesn't work.
  • 00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:44.685
  • But I need to be ableto feel your pain,
  • 00:42:45.819 --> 00:42:48.055
  • and I need you to beable to feel my pain.
  • 00:42:48.055 --> 00:42:50.357
  • That's the compassionthat Jesus spoke about.
  • 00:42:50.357 --> 00:42:52.726
  • He's like, "You givethem something to eat."
  • 00:42:52.726 --> 00:42:54.228
  • They were like, "Wedon't have enough money."
  • 00:42:54.228 --> 00:42:55.229
  • He said, "You feed them!"
  • 00:42:55.229 --> 00:42:57.264
  • He was exhausted afterpreaching all day,
  • 00:42:57.264 --> 00:42:58.999
  • He had compassionand healed them all.
  • 00:42:58.999 --> 00:43:00.534
  • He was always talkingabout compassion.
  • 00:43:00.534 --> 00:43:02.202
  • That means I empathizewith the hunger,
  • 00:43:02.202 --> 00:43:04.038
  • and the pain of the people,
  • 00:43:04.038 --> 00:43:05.239
  • who have no voice,they are lost.
  • 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.408
  • He was always compassionate.
  • 00:43:07.408 --> 00:43:09.109
  • The prostitute atthe Pharisee's House,
  • 00:43:09.109 --> 00:43:11.545
  • He had compassion.
  • 00:43:11.545 --> 00:43:12.813
  • The woman that wascaught in adultery,
  • 00:43:12.813 --> 00:43:14.415
  • He had compassion.
  • 00:43:14.415 --> 00:43:15.683
  • It was alwaysmessing up systems.
  • 00:43:15.683 --> 00:43:17.618
  • The Samaritan at thewell had compassion.
  • 00:43:17.618 --> 00:43:19.453
  • She didn't comefrom His background.
  • 00:43:19.453 --> 00:43:21.155
  • He had compassion,Syro-Phoenician woman.
  • 00:43:21.155 --> 00:43:23.590
  • The leper, who youaren't supposed to touch.
  • 00:43:23.590 --> 00:43:27.061
  • He had compassion, andif we're really going
  • 00:43:27.061 --> 00:43:29.263
  • to be the Church, then,we need to be a Church
  • 00:43:29.263 --> 00:43:31.331
  • that has compassionon the modern day
  • 00:43:31.331 --> 00:43:33.367
  • lepers of systemic racism.
  • 00:43:33.367 --> 00:43:34.768
  • - Yeah.- And the victims
  • 00:43:34.768 --> 00:43:36.170
  • of systemic social injustice,(audience clapping)
  • 00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:38.138
  • and the racism that hasexisted in the Church,
  • 00:43:38.138 --> 00:43:40.741
  • and the prejudice, and the pain
  • 00:43:40.741 --> 00:43:42.076
  • that it has producedon both sides.
  • 00:43:42.076 --> 00:43:44.611
  • We need to meet in the middle,
  • 00:43:44.611 --> 00:43:46.246
  • and then, we all needto look up to the Cross.
  • 00:43:46.246 --> 00:43:48.515
  • Because until thatblood gets on our minds,
  • 00:43:48.515 --> 00:43:51.118
  • it won't get in our hearts,
  • 00:43:51.118 --> 00:43:52.619
  • and it won't get in our hands,
  • 00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:54.188
  • and nothing will change.
  • 00:43:54.188 --> 00:43:56.056
  • (hand thudding)
  • 00:43:56.056 --> 00:43:57.357
  • - You're good.
  • 00:43:57.357 --> 00:43:58.592
  • - Sorry, I didn't meanto hit your nice chair.
  • 00:43:58.592 --> 00:44:00.527
  • - It's a sturdy chair.
  • 00:44:00.527 --> 00:44:01.528
  • - It is.
  • 00:44:01.528 --> 00:44:02.362
  • - Hit it again.
  • 00:44:02.362 --> 00:44:03.197
  • See.(hand thudding)
  • 00:44:03.197 --> 00:44:04.364
  • - What this is,Restoration Hardware?
  • 00:44:04.364 --> 00:44:05.899
  • This is some premium leather.- Hit it as hard as you want.
  • 00:44:05.899 --> 00:44:06.967
  • (hand thudding)
  • 00:44:06.967 --> 00:44:07.801
  • - Now, it hurts.
  • 00:44:07.801 --> 00:44:08.635
  • - I want us to pray,
  • 00:44:08.635 --> 00:44:10.437
  • and I would love itif you would pray.
  • 00:44:11.605 --> 00:44:14.708
  • But I don't just wantus to pray on the stage,
  • 00:44:15.876 --> 00:44:20.547
  • I want, I wanteverybody watching
  • 00:44:20.547 --> 00:44:23.717
  • to just take a momentand kind of like
  • 00:44:23.717 --> 00:44:26.787
  • create a little bit of a space,
  • 00:44:26.787 --> 00:44:28.088
  • and bow your head,and close your eyes,
  • 00:44:28.088 --> 00:44:29.590
  • and if there's anything else
  • 00:44:29.590 --> 00:44:32.893
  • that you want tominister, before you pray,
  • 00:44:32.893 --> 00:44:34.995
  • it's great but as we'regetting set to pray,
  • 00:44:34.995 --> 00:44:37.598
  • I wanna thank you.
  • 00:44:37.598 --> 00:44:38.465
  • It can't be easy to saythese kinds of things
  • 00:44:40.634 --> 00:44:43.637
  • when you know how manydifferent perspectives
  • 00:44:43.637 --> 00:44:46.140
  • there will be onwhat you've said
  • 00:44:46.140 --> 00:44:47.374
  • but you've never beenafraid to say them.
  • 00:44:47.374 --> 00:44:49.409
  • And thank you today for the gift
  • 00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:51.311
  • of your perspectiveand your wisdom.
  • 00:44:51.311 --> 00:44:53.380
  • I've never had a friendmore brilliant than you.
  • 00:44:54.581 --> 00:44:57.518
  • But also, I want to thank you
  • 00:44:57.518 --> 00:44:58.585
  • for not being so brilliant,
  • 00:44:58.585 --> 00:45:00.320
  • that you forget howto help us feel.
  • 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.122
  • And I think sometimeswe become so numb
  • 00:45:03.257 --> 00:45:07.060
  • that we don't feelanything anymore.
  • 00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:09.530
  • And I want you topray for the people,
  • 00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:11.298
  • who feel overwhelmedand they feel like,
  • 00:45:11.298 --> 00:45:12.900
  • "I can't do anything, soI don't wanna do anything.
  • 00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:14.968
  • "I can't do everything, soI don't wanna do anything."
  • 00:45:14.968 --> 00:45:16.703
  • And I want you topray for the people,
  • 00:45:16.703 --> 00:45:18.739
  • who have been blind to this,
  • 00:45:18.739 --> 00:45:20.007
  • that God would open their eyes.
  • 00:45:20.007 --> 00:45:22.743
  • And also, ministeranything else that
  • 00:45:22.743 --> 00:45:26.046
  • you wanna minister inthese closing moments.
  • 00:45:26.046 --> 00:45:30.384
  • - I love you, I'mgrateful for your life.
  • 00:45:30.384 --> 00:45:33.487
  • I'm grateful for your heart,
  • 00:45:36.824 --> 00:45:38.325
  • the texts that theywill never see,
  • 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.495
  • the things that I sent youto just speak life into you,
  • 00:45:41.495 --> 00:45:44.264
  • to let you know how important
  • 00:45:44.264 --> 00:45:45.332
  • you are to the Kingdom of God.
  • 00:45:45.332 --> 00:45:47.201
  • I meant them then,I mean them now.
  • 00:45:47.201 --> 00:45:49.703
  • I'm grateful that I get to live
  • 00:45:51.305 --> 00:45:53.106
  • at the same time as you.
  • 00:45:53.106 --> 00:45:54.508
  • I'm the biggest cheerleader
  • 00:45:55.475 --> 00:45:56.743
  • of what God is doingat Elevation Church,
  • 00:45:56.743 --> 00:45:59.313
  • because it is breakingthe back of the devil
  • 00:45:59.313 --> 00:46:01.982
  • that has existed in thisregion of the country,
  • 00:46:01.982 --> 00:46:04.785
  • for hundreds of years,and I hope to God
  • 00:46:04.785 --> 00:46:07.721
  • that you live longenough to see the fruit.
  • 00:46:07.721 --> 00:46:10.123
  • To Graham, and Elijah, andAbby, and John in theory.
  • 00:46:10.123 --> 00:46:14.061
  • I'm grateful for yourencouragement to me
  • 00:46:14.061 --> 00:46:15.863
  • and the relentlessfamily when many people
  • 00:46:15.863 --> 00:46:18.599
  • walked away at thebrokenness of moments
  • 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.034
  • that I knew werecoming because I knew
  • 00:46:21.034 --> 00:46:23.904
  • what was in me and Godsent you to speak life
  • 00:46:23.904 --> 00:46:28.075
  • to me at some ofthe most difficult
  • 00:46:28.075 --> 00:46:30.611
  • and challengingmoments of my life.
  • 00:46:30.611 --> 00:46:32.012
  • I wanna thank youfor being a friend,
  • 00:46:32.012 --> 00:46:33.447
  • not a White friend,but my friend.
  • 00:46:33.447 --> 00:46:36.250
  • And now, we'rehaving a conversation
  • 00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:37.985
  • that most people wouldbe afraid to have.
  • 00:46:37.985 --> 00:46:40.220
  • You got a lot to loseif it goes wrong,
  • 00:46:40.220 --> 00:46:43.290
  • and you cared enoughabout the voiceless,
  • 00:46:43.290 --> 00:46:45.626
  • and the nameless,and the faceless,
  • 00:46:45.626 --> 00:46:48.195
  • and the Black kids inthe hood of Charlotte,
  • 00:46:48.195 --> 00:46:50.931
  • and all over whereyour campuses are,
  • 00:46:50.931 --> 00:46:52.733
  • and the global family in theshanty towns of South Africa.
  • 00:46:52.733 --> 00:46:55.769
  • You cared enoughto let them know
  • 00:46:55.769 --> 00:46:57.204
  • that I see you, and you matter,
  • 00:46:57.204 --> 00:46:59.840
  • and that their soul was moreimportant than your platform.
  • 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:03.610
  • - [Man] Yeah.
  • 00:47:03.610 --> 00:47:04.845
  • - I thank God for you.(audience clapping)
  • 00:47:04.845 --> 00:47:08.048
  • And for Big Floyd's family,
  • 00:47:16.657 --> 00:47:18.725
  • and Martha Berry,Breonna Taylor, (sobs)
  • 00:47:18.725 --> 00:47:22.329
  • Alton Sterling,and Sandra Bland,
  • 00:47:23.497 --> 00:47:25.132
  • and Tamir Rice,and Trayvon Martin,
  • 00:47:25.132 --> 00:47:27.067
  • and for so many Blackbodies that have died
  • 00:47:27.067 --> 00:47:32.072
  • because of injustice and apathy
  • 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:34.474
  • and a lack of human empathy.
  • 00:47:34.474 --> 00:47:36.843
  • I'm grateful thatthis moment has begun,
  • 00:47:37.978 --> 00:47:39.646
  • and I pray that theChurch will not turn
  • 00:47:39.646 --> 00:47:41.315
  • a blinded eye tothis conversation.
  • 00:47:41.315 --> 00:47:44.685
  • I was always the guyrunning to build bridges
  • 00:47:46.253 --> 00:47:48.989
  • between the Black Churchand the White Church,
  • 00:47:48.989 --> 00:47:50.891
  • hoping that theywould receive me,
  • 00:47:50.891 --> 00:47:52.659
  • hoping that they wouldunderstand who I was.
  • 00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:57.030
  • And for a moment there, Iwas so busy building bridges
  • 00:47:58.465 --> 00:48:01.034
  • that a part of meforgot that I am Black.
  • 00:48:01.034 --> 00:48:03.570
  • And if things go wrong,I'll die in the street,
  • 00:48:05.105 --> 00:48:07.641
  • and they won't care.
  • 00:48:07.641 --> 00:48:08.875
  • I'll just be wet teddybears, and old flowers,
  • 00:48:08.875 --> 00:48:11.912
  • and melted candles onthe side of a road,
  • 00:48:11.912 --> 00:48:14.748
  • but I'm more, I'mmore than a preacher.
  • 00:48:14.748 --> 00:48:17.784
  • I'm a man, I'm a Black man.
  • 00:48:17.784 --> 00:48:21.321
  • And my life matters.
  • 00:48:21.321 --> 00:48:23.423
  • And it is equal to thevalue of every other life
  • 00:48:23.423 --> 00:48:27.094
  • in this nation and the world.
  • 00:48:27.094 --> 00:48:29.196
  • Yes, all lives matter.
  • 00:48:29.196 --> 00:48:30.831
  • But this Black life, it matters,
  • 00:48:31.732 --> 00:48:33.934
  • and George's life matters,
  • 00:48:33.934 --> 00:48:36.303
  • and the people who didn't get
  • 00:48:36.303 --> 00:48:37.904
  • an opportunity for justice,
  • 00:48:37.904 --> 00:48:39.773
  • their lives matter as well,
  • 00:48:39.773 --> 00:48:41.141
  • and my prayer is thatyou will have compassion
  • 00:48:41.141 --> 00:48:43.944
  • and empathy in this moment
  • 00:48:43.944 --> 00:48:46.313
  • for the pain ofpeople who have never
  • 00:48:46.313 --> 00:48:49.549
  • had anyone to advocate for them.
  • 00:48:49.549 --> 00:48:51.685
  • May the Church be avoice to the voiceless.
  • 00:48:53.086 --> 00:48:55.956
  • And may you feel something.
  • 00:48:57.357 --> 00:48:59.292
  • Go back and look at the video,
  • 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:01.995
  • and if something doesn'tmove in your heart,
  • 00:49:01.995 --> 00:49:04.631
  • ask the Holy Spirit togive you a heart of flesh,
  • 00:49:04.631 --> 00:49:07.601
  • instead of a heart ofstone because if you
  • 00:49:07.601 --> 00:49:09.436
  • can watch anyone dieand feel nothing,
  • 00:49:09.436 --> 00:49:13.640
  • then, I'm certain thatthe heartbeat of Jesus
  • 00:49:13.640 --> 00:49:16.843
  • is not yet fullyactivated in you.
  • 00:49:16.843 --> 00:49:19.046
  • And my prayer is thatthe Black Church,
  • 00:49:20.180 --> 00:49:23.216
  • and the White Churchwill take Black
  • 00:49:23.216 --> 00:49:25.118
  • and White off of the front,
  • 00:49:25.118 --> 00:49:27.421
  • and just become the Church,
  • 00:49:27.421 --> 00:49:29.956
  • that we will live in community,
  • 00:49:29.956 --> 00:49:32.225
  • and fight for theunity of the Spirit,
  • 00:49:32.225 --> 00:49:33.794
  • and the bond of peace.
  • 00:49:33.794 --> 00:49:35.796
  • Pursue peace withall men and holiness,
  • 00:49:35.796 --> 00:49:38.065
  • without which no manshall see the Lord.
  • 00:49:38.065 --> 00:49:40.434
  • May God touch our hearts,
  • 00:49:41.835 --> 00:49:43.970
  • and prick us to aheart of action,
  • 00:49:45.138 --> 00:49:46.973
  • and may unity in thebody of Christ be a hill
  • 00:49:48.175 --> 00:49:51.378
  • we're willing to die on.
  • 00:49:51.378 --> 00:49:53.046
  • I've made my decision.
  • 00:49:53.914 --> 00:49:56.083
  • I'm willing tostep into a bullet,
  • 00:49:56.083 --> 00:49:58.618
  • and in front of a bullet,so that Steven can live.
  • 00:49:58.618 --> 00:50:01.688
  • And I believe that if thesame were happening to me,
  • 00:50:03.156 --> 00:50:05.559
  • he'd do the same, becausethat's what it may cost
  • 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.530
  • to see true unity.
  • 00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:12.499
  • But I pray that no more bodies
  • 00:50:13.366 --> 00:50:14.801
  • have to be on the ground.
  • 00:50:14.801 --> 00:50:16.970
  • I pray that no morecities have to burn.
  • 00:50:16.970 --> 00:50:19.639
  • I pray that nomore Black mothers
  • 00:50:21.374 --> 00:50:23.777
  • feel closer to Jesusbecause they lost
  • 00:50:23.777 --> 00:50:26.780
  • their only begotten son too.
  • 00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:28.782
  • My prayer is thatthe pain is enough
  • 00:50:30.584 --> 00:50:33.286
  • for you to noweffectuate change.
  • 00:50:33.286 --> 00:50:36.323
  • - Change is not your actions,change starts in your heart.
  • 00:50:39.759 --> 00:50:41.428
  • And so God, I pray right now,
  • 00:50:42.696 --> 00:50:44.131
  • by the power of the Holy Spiritand in the name of Jesus,
  • 00:50:44.131 --> 00:50:47.567
  • that You will take thisinitial conversation,
  • 00:50:47.567 --> 00:50:49.936
  • and prick our hearts.
  • 00:50:51.171 --> 00:50:52.806
  • And if my people whoare called by my name,
  • 00:50:53.974 --> 00:50:56.877
  • that was an admonitionto the church,
  • 00:50:56.877 --> 00:50:59.713
  • if the church will dowhat it needs to do,
  • 00:50:59.713 --> 00:51:02.415
  • I'll heal theentirety of the land.
  • 00:51:02.415 --> 00:51:05.018
  • But I'm reconciling thisissue through the church.
  • 00:51:06.453 --> 00:51:09.890
  • Because true heart change
  • 00:51:11.658 --> 00:51:13.393
  • comes from the presenceof the Holy Spirit,
  • 00:51:13.393 --> 00:51:16.096
  • found most perfectlyin the person of Jesus.
  • 00:51:16.096 --> 00:51:18.865
  • And so,
  • 00:51:20.100 --> 00:51:20.901
  • may we have arelentless moment of
  • 00:51:22.202 --> 00:51:25.739
  • elevated consciousness.
  • 00:51:26.806 --> 00:51:29.309
  • Elevate us God and may wepursue justice relentlessly.
  • 00:51:29.309 --> 00:51:33.613
  • May we celebrate our differences
  • 00:51:34.514 --> 00:51:36.850
  • while attacking at its root,
  • 00:51:36.850 --> 00:51:39.686
  • the systems of oppression,
  • 00:51:39.686 --> 00:51:41.188
  • and the spirit of injusticethat has ruled the day.
  • 00:51:41.188 --> 00:51:45.025
  • May we change our hearts
  • 00:51:46.026 --> 00:51:48.361
  • by seeing each otheras equally valuable.
  • 00:51:48.361 --> 00:51:50.730
  • God,
  • 00:51:51.698 --> 00:51:52.699
  • give us hope and give us peace.
  • 00:51:54.167 --> 00:51:57.404
  • Give us strength.
  • 00:51:57.404 --> 00:51:59.172
  • Show us, the pathway.
  • 00:51:59.172 --> 00:52:01.141
  • This is my prayer.
  • 00:52:02.042 --> 00:52:03.410
  • Your brown sonand your white son
  • 00:52:04.778 --> 00:52:08.081
  • ask in Jesus name,
  • 00:52:08.081 --> 00:52:10.150
  • Amen.
  • 00:52:12.152 --> 00:52:13.353
  • (lighthearted music)
  • 00:52:13.353 --> 00:52:15.455
  • ♪ Our hope is builton nothing less ♪
  • 00:52:15.455 --> 00:52:18.758
  • ♪ In Jesus bloodand righteousness ♪
  • 00:52:18.758 --> 00:52:21.928
  • ♪ We dare not trustthe sweetest flame ♪
  • 00:52:21.928 --> 00:52:25.565
  • ♪ We wholly lean on Jesus name
  • 00:52:25.565 --> 00:52:30.537
  • ♪ Your word is final
  • 00:52:31.338 --> 00:52:38.445
  • ♪ And we agree, weagree, we agree ♪
  • 00:52:38.445 --> 00:52:43.383
  • ♪ We agree, we agree,we agree, we agree ♪
  • 00:52:44.584 --> 00:52:49.489
  • ♪ Your truth over opinions
  • 00:52:51.458 --> 00:52:57.497
  • ♪ We agree, we agree
  • 00:52:57.497 --> 00:53:02.235
  • ♪ The Lord bless you
  • 00:53:02.235 --> 00:53:06.106
  • ♪ And keep you
  • 00:53:06.106 --> 00:53:09.676
  • ♪ Make His face shine upon you
  • 00:53:09.676 --> 00:53:13.613
  • ♪ And be gracious to you
  • 00:53:13.613 --> 00:53:16.983
  • ♪ The Lord turn His
  • 00:53:16.983 --> 00:53:19.586
  • ♪ Yeah, sing it
  • 00:53:19.586 --> 00:53:20.687
  • ♪ Face toward you
  • 00:53:20.687 --> 00:53:24.324
  • ♪ And give you peace
  • 00:53:24.324 --> 00:53:29.329
  • ♪ May He give you piece.
  • 00:53:30.263 --> 00:53:32.332
  • ♪ Come on, sing it together
  • 00:53:32.332 --> 00:53:34.401
  • ♪ Oh, the Lord bless you
  • 00:53:34.401 --> 00:53:38.638
  • ♪ And keep you
  • 00:53:38.638 --> 00:53:42.108
  • ♪ Make His face shine upon you
  • 00:53:42.108 --> 00:53:46.046
  • ♪ And be gracious to you
  • 00:53:46.046 --> 00:53:49.049
  • ♪ The lord turn His
  • 00:53:49.049 --> 00:53:52.786
  • ♪ Face toward you
  • 00:53:52.786 --> 00:53:56.423
  • ♪ And give you piece.
  • 00:53:56.423 --> 00:54:00.627
  • ♪ In the chaos, in the turmoillet Him give you piece ♪
  • 00:54:00.627 --> 00:54:04.397
  • ♪ Come lets sing
  • 00:54:04.397 --> 00:54:05.965
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:05.965 --> 00:54:10.970
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:11.471 --> 00:54:17.410
  • ♪ Come on, lets agreewith what He's declared ♪
  • 00:54:17.410 --> 00:54:19.979
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:19.979 --> 00:54:23.350
  • ♪ There's nothingleft to be said ♪
  • 00:54:23.350 --> 00:54:25.051
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:25.051 --> 00:54:26.920
  • ♪ What you say is final
  • 00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.655
  • ♪ Amen♪ One more time
  • 00:54:28.655 --> 00:54:32.158
  • ♪ We sing amen.
  • 00:54:32.158 --> 00:54:33.860
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:37.964
  • ♪ We agree, we agree
  • 00:54:37.964 --> 00:54:38.998
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:38.998 --> 00:54:40.734
  • ♪ We agree, we agree
  • 00:54:40.734 --> 00:54:42.369
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:42.369 --> 00:54:45.205
  • ♪ Your word is final we say
  • 00:54:45.205 --> 00:54:47.474
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:47.474 --> 00:54:52.479
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:54:52.979 --> 00:55:00.453
  • ♪ May His favor be upon you
  • 00:55:00.453 --> 00:55:03.957
  • ♪ And a thousand generations
  • 00:55:03.957 --> 00:55:07.494
  • ♪ And your family,and your children ♪
  • 00:55:07.494 --> 00:55:10.997
  • ♪ And their childrenand their children ♪
  • 00:55:10.997 --> 00:55:13.767
  • ♪ May his favor♪ May His favor
  • 00:55:13.767 --> 00:55:16.102
  • ♪ Be upon you
  • 00:55:16.102 --> 00:55:17.771
  • ♪ And a thousand generations
  • 00:55:17.771 --> 00:55:21.207
  • ♪ And your family,and your children ♪
  • 00:55:21.207 --> 00:55:24.511
  • ♪ And their childrenand their children ♪
  • 00:55:24.511 --> 00:55:27.347
  • ♪ May His presence♪ May His presence
  • 00:55:27.347 --> 00:55:29.149
  • ♪ Go before you♪ Go before you
  • 00:55:29.149 --> 00:55:30.784
  • ♪ And behind you♪ And behind you
  • 00:55:30.784 --> 00:55:32.552
  • ♪ Let Him surround you♪ And beside you
  • 00:55:32.552 --> 00:55:35.422
  • ♪ All around you,and within you ♪
  • 00:55:35.422 --> 00:55:38.291
  • ♪ He is with you,He is with you ♪
  • 00:55:38.291 --> 00:55:41.294
  • ♪ In the morning♪ In the morning
  • 00:55:41.294 --> 00:55:42.862
  • ♪ And the evening
  • 00:55:42.862 --> 00:55:45.231
  • ♪ In your coming
  • 00:55:45.231 --> 00:55:46.966
  • ♪ And your going
  • 00:55:46.966 --> 00:55:48.601
  • ♪ In your weeping♪ In your weeping
  • 00:55:48.601 --> 00:55:50.069
  • ♪ Your rejoicing♪ And rejoicing
  • 00:55:50.069 --> 00:55:51.671
  • ♪ He is for you, He is for you
  • 00:55:51.671 --> 00:56:07.020
  • ♪ Amen, say
  • 00:56:08.421 --> 00:56:10.123
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:56:10.123 --> 00:56:16.463
  • ♪ Amen♪ Hallelujah
  • 00:56:18.398 --> 00:56:21.901
  • ♪ Hallelujah, amen
  • 00:56:21.901 --> 00:56:23.603
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:56:23.603 --> 00:56:28.608
  • ♪ Amen
  • 00:56:30.543 --> 00:56:32.011
  • ♪ One more time, onemore time, lets declare ♪
  • 00:56:32.011 --> 00:56:34.247
  • ♪ May His favor♪ May His favor
  • 00:56:34.247 --> 00:56:36.382
  • ♪ Be upon you
  • 00:56:36.382 --> 00:56:38.017
  • ♪ And a thousand generations
  • 00:56:38.017 --> 00:56:40.987
  • ♪ And your family,and your children ♪
  • 00:56:40.987 --> 00:56:44.624
  • ♪ And their children,and their children ♪
  • 00:56:44.624 --> 00:56:47.460
  • ♪ May His presence♪ May His presence
  • 00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:49.395
  • ♪ Wherever you are♪ Go before you
  • 00:56:49.395 --> 00:56:50.997
  • ♪ Wherever you are♪ And behind you
  • 00:56:50.997 --> 00:56:52.665
  • ♪ He will surround you♪ And beside you
  • 00:56:52.665 --> 00:56:54.400
  • ♪ Yeah♪ All around you
  • 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.903
  • ♪ And within you
  • 00:56:56.903 --> 00:56:58.805
  • ♪ He is with you,He is with you ♪
  • 00:56:58.805 --> 00:57:01.174
  • ♪ In the morning♪ In the morning
  • 00:57:01.174 --> 00:57:03.409
  • ♪ In the evening♪ In the evening
  • 00:57:03.409 --> 00:57:05.044
  • ♪ In your comingand your going ♪
  • 00:57:05.044 --> 00:57:08.848
  • ♪ In your weepingand rejoicing ♪
  • 00:57:08.848 --> 00:57:11.918
  • ♪ He is for you, He is for you
  • 00:57:11.918 --> 00:57:25.832
  • ♪ yeah
  • 00:57:25.832 --> 00:57:28.368
  • ♪ If you know thatHe is for you ♪
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