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Praise | Joyce Meyer | 9/13/18

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September 13, 2018

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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Joyce Meyer.

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Praise | Joyce Meyer | 9/13/18

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- MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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"PRAISE," FROM PALM BEACH,
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FLORIDA, "NEW YORK TIMES"
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BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND BIBLE
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[MUSIC]
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- ANNOUNCER: AND NOW MATT AND
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- MATT CROUCH: WE ARE IN
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BEAUTIFUL SOUTH FLORIDA.
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JOYCE MEYER, WE HAVE A VERY
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IMPORTANT SUBJECT: "HEALING THE
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SOUL OF A WOMAN."
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I'M MARRIED TO ONE.
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I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO HER FOR 33
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IT'S AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO ME.
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HOW ARE WE GONNA UNPACK THIS,
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AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKIN'
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ABOUT?
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- JOYCE MEYER: WELL, I'LL
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PROBABLY TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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MY STORY, BUT I THINK, SO, FIRST
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OF ALL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW
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MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR SOUL
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IS.
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YOUR SOUL IS YOUR-- IT'S YOUR
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MIND, YOUR WILL, AND YOUR
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AND SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WAY
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YOU THINK, THE WAY YOU FEEL, AND
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THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE, AND
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SO MANY PEOPLE LOOK GREAT ON THE
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OUTSIDE, BUT THEY'RE CARRYING
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AROUND A LOT OF WOUNDS ON THE
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INSIDE, AND THEY ALWAYS SHOW UP
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THE MOST IN RELATIONSHIPS.
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A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
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HURT BY SOMEONE OR ABUSED OR
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REJECTED OR MISTREATED, THEY END
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UP NOT LIKING THEMSELVES, AND IF
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YOU DON'T LIKE YOURSELF, YOU
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CAN'T GET ALONG WITH OTHER
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PEOPLE, SO YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING
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TO GET THEM TO FIX YOU.
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YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE YOU FEEL
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GOOD, AND, REALLY, THE BOTTOM
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LINE IS NOBODY CAN DO THAT
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EXCEPT GOD, AND HE WILL, BUT YOU
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HAVE TO LET HIM.
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YOU HAVE TO GET INTO AGREEMENT
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WITH HIM.
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY
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COMPONENTS TO THIS, AND, TO BE
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HONEST, IF SOMEBODY IS WOUNDED
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REAL DEEPLY IN THEIR SOUL, IT'S
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NOT SOMETHIN' THEY'RE GONNA GET
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OVER, OVERNIGHT.
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THERE'S GONNA BE STUDYING THE
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WORD AND OBEYING GOD, AND, YOU
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KNOW, SOME PEOPLE NEED SOME
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COUNSELING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING
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BETTER THAN BEING HEALTHY ON THE
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INSIDE, AND THE BEST GIFT,
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REALLY, THAT YOU CAN GIVE
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ANYBODY IS A HEALTHY YOU BECAUSE
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TO BE MARRIED TO SOMEONE THAT'S
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ALL BROKEN INSIDE THAT YOU FEEL
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LIKE YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE
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CAREFUL AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE
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YOU'RE WALKIN' ON EGGSHELLS AND
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YOU CAN'T HURT THEIR FEELINGS
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AND YOU CAN'T CONFRONT 'EM ABOUT
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ANYTHING, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
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MOODY-- I REMEMBER MY HUSBAND
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SAYIN', "I USED TO DRIVE DOWN
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THE ROAD AT NIGHT THINKIN', 'I
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WONDER WHAT SHE'LL BE LIKE
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TONIGHT?'"
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- MATT: OH, WOW.
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- JOYCE: AND THAT'S SAD, YOU
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KNOW.
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AND-- BUT I'M EVIDENCE, AS WELL
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AS LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, THAT
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YOU CERTAINLY CAN BE HEALED.
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IT REQUIRES FACING SOME TRUTH.
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IT REQUIRES NOT BLAMING YOUR
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BEHAVIOR ON WHAT HAPPENED TO
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YOU.
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IT REQUIRES NOT FEELING SORRY
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FOR YOURSELF.
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THERE'S ONE CHAPTER IN THE BOOK
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THAT I WROTE THAT SAYS, "NO
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PARKING AT ANY TIME," AND ONE OF
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THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
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DO IS THEY PARK AT THE POINT OF
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THEIR PAIN, AND THEY NEVER GO
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PAST THAT.
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EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE, FROM
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THAT POINT ON, IS COLORED BY
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AND THE
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PAIN THAT THEY HAD, AND WE DON'T
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- MATT: OKAY, LET'S JUST--
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- LAURIE CROUCH: IT'S AN
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IMPORTANT ISSUE.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- MATT: YEAH, LET'S JUST START
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BY SAYING, WHEN JOYCE MEYER, THE
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AUTHOR OF 121 BOOKS, WANTS TO
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TELL YOU SOMETHING FOR FREE, YOU
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OUGHT TO LISTEN TO IT.
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SO WE WELCOME YOU TO THIS
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BEAUTIFUL SETTING, AND BEHIND
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I'M DISTRACTED BY THE BEAUTY OF
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THE WAVES AND THE WATER, AND
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THIS IS REALLY THE OCEAN.
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THIS IS NOT A SET.
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THIS WOULD BE THE ATLANTIC
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OCEAN.
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I LIVE NEAR THE PACIFIC OCEAN,
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SO THIS IS THE ATLANTIC, AND WE
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ARE TALKING ABOUT "HEALING THE
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SOUL OF A WOMAN," AND THE FIRST
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COMMENT I GOT ABOUT THE BOOK,
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FROM JOYCE, "I JUST THINK IT'S
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MY PRETTIEST BOOK I'VE EVER
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- LAURIE: THAT'S TRUE.
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- MATT: YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST
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PRETTY.
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- JOYCE: I WOULD THINK PEOPLE
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WOULD WANT IT JUST TO--
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- LAURIE: I KNOW-- TO SIT ON
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THE SHELF.
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- MATT: PUT UP ON THE SHELF?
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- JOYCE: -- JUST TO LOOK AT IT.
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- LAURIE: THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THE
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INSIDE--
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- MATT: READ IT.
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OKAY, SO A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU
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WROTE "BEAUTY FOR ASHES," OKAY?
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AND HOW IS THIS THE DEEPER DIG?
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BECAUSE IT'S A SIMILAR SUBJECT
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MATTER,
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IF NOT THE EXACT SUBJECT MATTER,
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BUT IT'S DEEPER.
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HOW IS THIS BOOK DIFFERENT THAN
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"BEAUTY FOR ASHES"?
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- JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
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I'VE 25 MORE YEARS' EXPERIENCE--
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[LAUGHTER]
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-- THAN I HAD WHEN I WROTE
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"BEAUTY FOR ASHES," AND I'VE
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DEALT WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
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PEOPLE AND DEALT WITH MYSELF
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OVER THE YEARS, AND SO IT-- YOU
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SAID IT.
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IT'S A DEEPER DIG.
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IT GOES DEEPER AND SHARES MORE
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OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED OVER THE
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YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT
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DEAL.
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- YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING
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ABOUT GOD IS WE NEVER STOP
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LEARNING, AND I STILL
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OCCASIONALLY WILL SEE THINGS
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CROP UP IN ME THAT I KNOW ARE A
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RESULT OF THE ABUSE I HAD IN MY
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CHILDHOOD, BUT THE THING THAT I
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SAY NOW IS I CAN-- I DON'T HAVE
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TO JUST REACT.
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I CAN ACT ON WHAT I KNOW GOD HAS
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TOLD ME.
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- LAURIE: HAD YOU LEARNED A
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LOT?
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WERE YOU SURPRISED BY-- I MEAN,
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DID YOU READ "BEAUTY FOR ASHES"
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AGAIN?
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BECAUSE THAT TOLD YOUR
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PERSONALLY STORY, A LOT OF YOUR
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PERSONAL STORY.
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SO HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN
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THAT?
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- JOYCE: PROBABLY ABOUT 25.
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- LAURIE: TWENTY-FIVE.
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WERE YOU SURPRISED AT HOW FAR
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YOU'D COME, EVEN FROM THAT BOOK?
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- JOYCE: WELL, WHEN I THINK
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BACK THE WAY I WAS, I MEAN,
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THERE'S NO TELLINGS, HONESTLY,
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HOW MANY TIMES I WOULD'VE BEEN
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MARRIED AND DIVORCED IF I
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WOULDN'T HAVE LET GOD WORK IN MY
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LIFE AND HEAL ME, AND THAT'S
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WHAT HAPPENS TO SO MANY PEOPLE.
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THEY JUST GO THROUGH ONE
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RELATIONSHIP AFTER ANOTHER AFTER
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ANOTHER.
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OF COURSE, THE FIRST TIME I GOT
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MARRIED, I MARRIED THE FIRST GUY
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THAT CAME ALONG 'CAUSE I REALLY
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THOUGHT NOBODY WOULD EVER WANT
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ME, AND I KNEW, DOWN DEEP
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INSIDE, IT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE
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HE HAD EVEN MORE PROBLEMS THAN
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ME, AND, SADLY, THAT'S WHAT, A
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LOT OF TIMES, HURTING, WOUNDED,
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TROUBLED PEOPLE MARRY OTHER
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HURTING, TROUBLED PEOPLE.
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AND I SAY JOKINGLY, BUT IT'S
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TRUE.
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THEY GIVE EACH OTHER TROUBLE,
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AND THEN THEY HAVE KIDS AND DUMP
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ALL THEIR TROUBLES ON THEM, AND
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THEN IT JUST GOES FROM
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GENERATION TO GENERATION, BUT
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE AFFECTED
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BY YOUR PAST.
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GOD SAYS WE CAN LET GO OF THE
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PAST.
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AND, OF COURSE, THE FIRST
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THING-- AND IT'S PROBABLY THE
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HARDEST THING-- IS YOU CANNOT GO
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FORWARD UNTIL YOU FORGIVE.
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- MATT: WOW.
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- JOYCE: AND THAT'S-- THERE'S
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SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY
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CHRISTIANS THAT ARE STILL MAD,
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AND, I MEAN, I CAN GO JUST ABOUT
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ANYWHERE AND DO A SERMON ON
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FORGIVENESS AND ASK HOW MANY
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PEOPLE STILL NEEDED TO FORGIVE
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SOMEBODY, AND THERE'S GONNA BE
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80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIFT
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THEIR HAND.
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AND I READ SOMETHIN' YESTERDAY--
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I HEARD THIS ACTUALLY.
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IT WAS IN A SHOW I WAS WATCHIN'
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ON TV, BUT I THOUGHT, "THAT IS A
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GREAT STATEMENT."
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HE SAID,
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"YOU'RE NEVER ANY WEAKER THAN
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WHEN YOU'RE ANGRY," OR "WHEN
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YOU'RE ANGRY, YOU'RE WEAKER THAN
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AT ANY OTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFE."
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AND I THINK SATAN JUST USES
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ANGER AND STRIFE AND BITTERNESS
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AND RESENTMENT AND UNFORGIVENESS
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TO JUST KEEP PEOPLE IN PRISON,
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AND I ALWAYS SAY, "WHAT'S THE
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POINT IN BEIN' MAD AT SOMEBODY
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THAT'S OUT HAVIN' A GOOD TIME
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AND DON'T EVEN CARE THAT YOU'RE
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UPSET?"
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SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST HURTING
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YOURSELF, SO EVERYTHING GOD SAYS
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ABOUT FORGIVING PEOPLE, IT'S
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REALLY LIKE YOU'RE NOT DOING
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THEM A FAVOR.
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YOU'RE DOING YOURSELF A FAVOR
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WHEN YOU FORGIVE, AND THEN, WHEN
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YOU DO THAT, YOU RELEASE GOD TO
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DEAL WITH THOSE PEOPLE, AND IT
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IS A FEARSOME THING TO FALL INTO
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THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD, AND
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IT'S NOT SOMETHIN' YOU FEEL.
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IT'S A DECISION THAT YOU MAKE,
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AND GOD SAYS PLAINLY, "YOU PRAY
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FOR THEM, YOU BLESS, AND DO NOT
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CURSE THEM."
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AND SO MOST PEOPLE JUST TRY
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TO NOT FEEL BAD ABOUT A PERSON
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THAT'S HURT 'EM, ANYMORE.
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AND THAT'S NOT EVEN THE POINT.
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THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE
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DECISION TO FORGIVE WITH GOD'S
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HELP, AND THEN, WHEN YOU START
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PRAYIN' FOR SOMEBODY, YOU WON'T
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HAVE BAD FEELINGS TOWARD THEM
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FOR VERY LONG IF YOU REALLY PRAY
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FOR THEM, AND I THINK THAT'S
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WHAT PEOPLE DON'T DO.
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THEY DON'T PRAY, AND WE THINK,
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"WELL, I DON'T WANNA PRAY FOR
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THEM TO BE BLESSED.
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I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE BLESSED."
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BUT THE FIRST THING GOD WILL
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START BLESSIN' 'EM WITH IS
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TRUTH.
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- MATT: THERE IT IS.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- JOYCE: AND SO WE GET ALL
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MIXED UP: "WELL, I DON'T WANT
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'EM TO BE BLESSED."
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WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
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I DIDN'T WANT MY ENEMIES TO BE
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BLESSED EITHER, BUT THEN GOD
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SHOWED ME THE FIRST THING I CAN
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BLESS 'EM WITH IS TRUTH, IF YOU
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PRAY FOR THEM.
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AND GOD'S OUR VINDICATOR.
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WE CAN'T VINDICATE OURSELVES.
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- MATT: I HEARD A DEFINITION OF
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FORGIVENESS, AND I WANT YOU TO
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CORRECT IT OR ADD TO IT, THAT
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YOU DON'T CARE ANYMORE WHETHER
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OR NOT THE PERSON OR PEOPLE FACE
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CONSEQUENCES FOR WHAT THEY DID.
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- JOYCE: I DO THINK, WHEN YOU
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TOTALLY FORGIVE-- AND I MIGHT
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EVEN SAY, I THINK, MAYBE THE
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TOTAL FORGIVENESS COMES IN
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DEGREES.
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YOU KNOW, I SAID THE OFFICIAL "I
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FORGIVE YOU" PRAYER, YOU KNOW,
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BECAUSE I KNEW THAT GOD WANTED
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ME TO, BUT I STILL DID NOT WANT
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TO-- THE "BLESS YOUR ENEMIES"
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PART WAS NOT SOMETHIN' THAT I
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WAS TOO INTERESTED IN, AND I
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ONLY SAW MY MOM AND DAD WHEN I
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ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, FOR THE
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SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I
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COULD SEE THEM, BUT AS THEY
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STARTED GETTING OLDER AND LESS
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ABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES, YOU
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KNOW, GOD WANTED ME TO DO WHAT
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THE BIBLE SAYS TO DO, WHICH WAS
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TAKE CARE OF THEM.
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WELL, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE CARE
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OF THEM.
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I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT
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WAS FAIR FOR GOD TO ASK ME, AND
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MY FIRST THING TO GOD WAS,
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"WELL, THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING
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FOR ME," AND HE SAID, "WELL, YOU
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ARE BREATHING," SO, YOU KNOW, AT
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LEAST THEY GAVE ME LIFE.
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THEY PUT CLOTHES ON MY BACK AND
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AND THEN TAKING THOSE STEPS OF
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OBEDIENCE TO MOVE THEM CLOSER TO
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WHERE I WAS AND MADE SURE THEY
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GOT TO THEIR DOCTOR'S
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APPOINTMENTS AND MAKE SURE THEIR
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AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO
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ALL THAT BECAUSE OF BEIN' IN
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MINISTRY, SO IT ENDED UP COSTING
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A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T
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HAVE AT THE TIME, BUT,
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ULTIMATELY, MY DAD ENDED UP
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GETTIN' SAVED THROUGH THE LOVE
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THAT WE SHOWED HIM BECAUSE HE
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KNEW THAT HE DID NOT DESERVE IT.
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AND THE BIBLE TELLS US TO DO
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THAT.
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WHY?
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TO SHOW THAT WE'RE LIKE OUR
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HEAVENLY FATHER.
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GOD NEVER ASKS US TO FORGIVE
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SOMEBODY ELSE FOR MORE THAN WHAT
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HE'S FORGIVEN US FOR.
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- MATT: WOW.
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- MATT: OKAY, "HEALING THE
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SOUL OF A WOMAN."
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WE'RE GONNA DIG INTO IT HERE
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IN JUST A SECOND.
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I JUST WANNA ASK YOU, KIND OF,
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THE OVERVIEW QUESTION: IF
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SOMEBODY GOES CHAPTER 1, ALL THE
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WAY THROUGH, REALLY READS IT,
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WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR THAT
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PERSON THAT TAKES THE BOOK
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LIVES IT?
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WHAT'S THE RESULT?
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WHAT JOURNEY ARE YOU TAKING
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SOMEONE THROUGH IN THIS BOOK?
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- JOYCE: WELL, WHAT I WOULD
00:11:04.280 --> 00:11:06.120
HOPE IS THAT, INITIALLY, YOU
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KNOW, LIKE, PRETTY SOON, THEY
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WOULD GET SOME REAL REVELATION
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ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF
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LIFE THEY'RE LIVING, COMPARED TO
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THE KIND OF LIFE THAT GOD WANTS
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THEM TO LIVE.
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YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I USED AN
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EXAMPLE ABOUT SOME OF THE
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EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY
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LIKE YOUR PHONE OR YOUR
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COMPUTER, YOU KNOW.
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THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT I
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COULD DO ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I
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WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN HOW
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TO DO 'EM.
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[LAUGHTER]
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AND SO, YOU KNOW, I FUMBLE
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THROUGH SOMETIMES AND MAKE A
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PROJECT HARDER THAN IT WOULD
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HAVE TO BE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA
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LEARN HOW TO WORK THE STUFF.
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WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF A
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LIFE DID JESUS DIE FOR US TO
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HAVE?
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DO YOU WANNA HAVE THE BEST LIFE
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YOU CAN HAVE, OR DO YOU WANNA
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JUST BE A CHRISTIAN WHO GOES TO
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CHURCH EVERY WEEK AND, YOU KNOW,
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MAYBE DOES A FEW-- TRY TO DO A
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FEW NICE THINGS, BUT YOU'RE JUST
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MISERABLE ON THE INSIDE ALL THE
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TIME?
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YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO BE A
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MISERABLE SINNER; IT'S ANOTHER
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THING TO BE A MISERABLE
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BELIEVER.
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JESUS DIDN'T DIE SO WE COULD
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JUST LIMP ALONG THROUGH LIFE.
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I MEAN, HE WANTS US TO HAVE A
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GREAT LIFE, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF
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THE CHAPTERS UP IN THE FRONT IS,
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YOU KNOW, LIVING THE BEST LIFE
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THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
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AND SO I JUST SAID THAT, YOU
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KNOW, THEY COME OUT WITH A NEW
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PHONE.
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I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY
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GET USED TO THE ONE YOU'VE GOT,
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AND THEY'VE GOT A NEW ONE, BUT
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EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THE
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NEWEST UPGRADE, AND SO WHY DON'T
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WE WANNA GET THE NEWEST UPGRADED
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LIFE THAT WE CAN HAVE?
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PEOPLE WILL STAND IN LINE ALL
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NIGHT TO BE THE FIRST IN LINE
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TO GET SOME KIND OF AN UPGRADE
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FOR THEIR PHONE,
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BUT WE DON'T WANNA PUT IN THE
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TIME AND THE EFFORT TO UPGRADE
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OUR LIFE, AND SO I WOULD HOPE
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THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE,
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"WELL, THERE'S APPARENTLY A
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LOT MORE AVAILABLE TO ME THAN
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WHAT I'M EXPERIENCING IN MY
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LIFE," AND THEY WOULD JUST SAY
00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:03.220
TO GOD, "I WANT WHAT YOU WANT
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FOR ME," BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE
00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:07.090
EASY.
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IT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE
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COMFORTABLE, AND IT'S GOING TO
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TAKE TIME, SO I WOULD HOPE, BY
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THE END OF IT, PEOPLE WOULD BE
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READY TO START ON A JOURNEY OF
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HEALING THAT REQUIRES DIFFERENT
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THINGS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
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LIKE, FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT MAY
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INVOLVE SOME PROFESSIONAL
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COUNSELING.
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FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT MAY INVOLVE
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BEIN' IN A RECOVERY GROUP.
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YOU KNOW, FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT
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MAY BE JUST TELLING SOMEBODY
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
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SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
00:13:40.190 --> 00:13:42.040
SEXUALLY ABUSED SPEND THEIR
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WHOLE LIFE AND DON'T TELL
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ANYBODY, OR SOMEBODY MAYBE WHO'S
00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:45.180
HAD AN ABORTION, AND THEY'RE
00:13:45.180 --> 00:13:48.160
STILL HURTING FROM THAT.
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THEY DON'T-- YOU KNOW, OUR
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SECRETS MAKE US SICK.
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THINGS THAT YOU HIDE ON THE
00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.030
INSIDE AND ARE AFRAID FOR
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ANYBODY TO FIND OUT, THEY KEEP
00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:56.150
YOU IN FEAR.
00:13:56.150 --> 00:13:58.010
- LAURIE: YEAH, YOU THINK IT'S
00:13:58.010 --> 00:13:59.100
MORE PAINFUL-- I THINK PEOPLE
00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:01.200
GET STUCK BECAUSE THEY THINK,
00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.170
"MAN, IF I TELL ANYBODY AND IF I
00:14:04.170 --> 00:14:07.160
START TALKIN' ABOUT THIS AND
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FACING MY REALITY, MY PAST, IT'S
00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:12.010
GONNA BE PAIN ALL OVER AGAIN FOR
00:14:12.010 --> 00:14:14.210
ME."
00:14:14.210 --> 00:14:16.200
HOW DO WE GET PAST THAT?
00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.230
- JOYCE: WELL, I SAY THERE'S
00:14:17.230 --> 00:14:19.100
TWO KINDS OF PAIN YOU CAN
00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:20.180
CHOOSE.
00:14:20.180 --> 00:14:22.050
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PAIN
00:14:22.050 --> 00:14:23.020
EITHER WAY.
00:14:23.020 --> 00:14:24.200
IT'S EITHER THE PAIN OF GETTING
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FREE, WHICH ULTIMATELY LEAVES
00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:29.010
YOU WITHOUT THE PAIN, OR IT'S
00:14:29.010 --> 00:14:30.240
THE PAIN OF STAYING THE SAME WAY
00:14:30.290 --> 00:14:33.290
THAT YOU ARE THE REST OF YOUR
00:14:33.290 --> 00:14:34.290
LIFE.
00:14:34.290 --> 00:14:35.140
SO THAT'S SOMETHIN' THAT--
00:14:35.140 --> 00:14:37.200
- LAURIE: TWO BIG FEARS.
00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.090
- JOYCE: YEAH, I WOULD REALLY
00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:39.240
LIKE THE VIEWERS TO THINK ABOUT
00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:40.240
WHAT I JUST SAID: DO YOU REALLY
00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:41.240
WANT TO STAY THE SAME AS YOU ARE
00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.250
THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?
00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.250
I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY WHAT YOU
00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:51.020
WANT, OR DO YOU WANNA CHANGE?
00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:55.050
YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA
00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:56.050
SAY, "I WANNA CHANGE," BUT WHAT
00:14:56.050 --> 00:14:57.030
THEY WANT IS THEY WANT GOD TO
00:14:57.030 --> 00:14:57.240
CHANGE THEM.
00:14:58.110 --> 00:15:01.130
AND SOMETHIN' THAT I'VE
00:15:01.130 --> 00:15:02.260
DISCOVERED, MATT AND LAURIE,
00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:03.260
JUST, REALLY, A LOT IN THE LAST
00:15:03.260 --> 00:15:06.240
COUPLE OF YEARS-- I DON'T KNOW
00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.060
WHY IT TOOK ME THIS LONG TO KNOW
00:15:08.060 --> 00:15:10.010
THIS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN
00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:11.020
PREACHING, BUT WE SAY THAT WE
00:15:11.020 --> 00:15:13.150
WANT THINGS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA
00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.000
DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET
00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:18.140
THEM AND SO--
00:15:18.140 --> 00:15:21.050
- MATT: WE WANT A SHORTCUT.
00:15:21.050 --> 00:15:23.080
- JOYCE: WE WANNA SHORTCUT AND
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SO-- BUT THIS IS WHAT I'VE
00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.000
DISCOVERED: WE PRAY FOR GOD TO
00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.190
DO THINGS, BUT WHAT HE ALMOST
00:15:31.010 --> 00:15:34.010
ALWAYS DOES IS HE'LL SHOW YOU
00:15:34.010 --> 00:15:35.080
WHAT TO DO.
00:15:35.190 --> 00:15:38.190
HE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S WRONG, OR
00:15:38.210 --> 00:15:41.210
MAYBE, LIKE, YOU'LL START
00:15:41.210 --> 00:15:43.260
PRAYIN', "WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW DO
00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:46.070
I GET RID OF THIS?"
00:15:46.070 --> 00:15:47.290
WELL, YOU NEED TO TELL SOMEBODY.
00:15:47.290 --> 00:15:49.210
"WELL, NO, I DON'T WANNA DO
00:15:49.210 --> 00:15:50.150
THAT."
00:15:50.150 --> 00:15:51.120
SO YOU JUST STAY MESSED
00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.170
UP FOR ANOTHER LONG TIME.
00:15:53.170 --> 00:15:55.030
YOU KNOW, I HAD A WOMAN AT A
00:15:55.030 --> 00:15:56.210
CONFERENCE ONE TIME-- THIS'LL
00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.040
GET THE POINT ACROSS GOOD.
00:15:58.040 --> 00:15:59.170
IT WAS A CONFERENCE WHERE WE'RE
00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:02.200
SERVIN' MEALS AND SO EVERYBODY
00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.210
WAS AT TABLES, AND I THINK THEY
00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:05.260
WERE, LIKE, TABLES OF EIGHT, AND
00:16:05.260 --> 00:16:07.140
WE WERE TEACHIN' ON THIS TYPE OF
00:16:07.140 --> 00:16:09.080
HEALING-TYPE THING, AND A GIRL
00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:12.060
CAME TO ME AT THE END, AND SHE
00:16:12.060 --> 00:16:13.110
SAID, "WELL, I FOUND OUT WHAT MY
00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:14.220
PROBLEM IS," AND I SAID, "WELL,
00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:16.270
GOOD, WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT?"
00:16:16.270 --> 00:16:18.010
SHE SAID, "I SAT AT A TABLE WITH
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EIGHT WOMEN.
00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:21.120
ALL OF THEM HAD SIMILAR STORIES
00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.120
TO MINE."
00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:25.180
AND SHE SAID, "EVERY ONE OF
00:16:25.180 --> 00:16:26.200
THEM ARE HEALED NOW, AND I'M
00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.020
STILL JUST AS BIG A MESS AS
00:16:29.020 --> 00:16:29.270
I WAS IN THE BEGINNING."
00:16:29.270 --> 00:16:31.200
AND SHE SAID,
00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.130
"HERE'S WHAT I DISCOVERED:
00:16:32.130 --> 00:16:33.230
GOD HAS TOLD ME TO DO THE SAME
00:16:34.270 --> 00:16:37.270
THINGS THAT HE TOLD ALL THEM TO
00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:39.230
DO.
00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:40.050
THEY ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY DID
00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:40.270
IT, AND I DIDN'T."
00:16:40.270 --> 00:16:42.210
- MATT: WOW.
00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:43.070
- LAURIE: WOW.
00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:43.210
- MATT: WOW, WOW, WOW.
00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:44.160
"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN."
00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:46.290
JOYCE, I HAVE JUST A SIMPLE
00:16:46.290 --> 00:16:48.020
QUESTION: ON A SCALE OF ONE TO
00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:50.140
TEN, AT YOUR EARLY YEARS, HOW
00:16:50.140 --> 00:16:53.010
SCREWED UP WERE YOU, ON A SCALE
00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:53.230
OF ONE TO TEN?
00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:56.250
- JOYCE: OH, WELL, 12.
00:16:56.250 --> 00:16:57.140
[LAUGHTER]
00:16:57.140 --> 00:16:58.110
- MATT: OKAY, SO, AND THE FACT
00:16:58.110 --> 00:17:00.100
THAT YOU'RE NOW, YOU KNOW-- HOW
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MANY YEARS IN MINISTRY NOW?
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- JOYCE: YEAH, 42.
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- MATT: FORTY-TWO YEARS IN
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MINISTRY.
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"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN."
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GUESS WHAT?
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WE'VE TIMED THE AIRING OF THIS
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BROADCAST, AND THIS BOOK IS
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AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
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GO TO AMAZON OR WHEREVER --
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HOWEVER YOU BUY BOOKS.
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GO TO THE BOOKSTORES THAT YOU
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BUY BOOKS IN.
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"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
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IT IS OUT NOW.
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WE'RE DISCUSSING IT NOW.
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IT IS AVAILABLE NOW.
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"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
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BY JOYCE MEYER, AND, LIKE I SAID
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EARLIER, WHEN SOMEBODY THAT
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BASICALLY HAS WRITTEN 121 BOOKS,
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DIGS IN THIS DEEP-- THIS IS
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REALLY YOUR JOURNEY IN A LOT OF
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WAYS, SO WHERE DO YOU WANT TO,
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KIND OF, DIG IN HERE, AND WHAT
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NUGGETS CAN WE PULL OUT RIGHT
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HERE ON THIS BROADCAST THAT CAN
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HELP PEOPLE?
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- JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST LOOKIN'
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AT ONE OF THE CHAPTERS.
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IT SAYS, "HELP ME!
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND MYSELF."
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[LAUGHTER]
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EVEN MOST PEOPLE WITH A HEALTHY
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SOUL DON'T UNDERSTAND
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THEMSELVES, LET ALONE SOMEBODY
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THAT'S ALL MESSED UP BECAUSE YOU
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DON'T-- I MEAN, I THOUGHT ALL
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THE TIME, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH
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ME?"
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BECAUSE I WOULD DO THINGS I
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DIDN'T WANNA DO, SAY THINGS I
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DIDN'T WANNA SAY, REACT IN WAYS
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THAT I DIDN'T WANNA REACT, AND
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SO MUCH OF IT WAS COMING OUT OF
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MY PAST PAIN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW
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THAT, SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN
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EXAMPLE.
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I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY JESUS
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USED PARABLES.
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I CAN'T HARDLY PREACH WITHOUT
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GIVING EXAMPLES AND TELLIN'
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STORIES.
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THE WORD IS VERY-- IT'S SO
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PRACTICAL.
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IT'S NOT OVER OUR HEADS.
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I MEAN, JESUS MADE IT APPLICABLE
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TO EVERYDAY LIFE.
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SO, IN THE EARLIER YEARS OF MINE
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AND DAVE'S MARRIAGE, LIKE A LOT
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OF YOUNG COUPLES, IT JUST SEEMED
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TO ME THAT WE COULDN'T TALK
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ABOUT ANYTHING IF THERE WAS ANY
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KIND OF A CONFLICT.
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IF HE DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME
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- LAURIE: THEN YOU'D BOTH BE
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WRONG.
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- JOYCE: WELL, I DIDN'T EVEN
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BUT I COULDN'T SEPARATE ME FROM
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MY OPINION.
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I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS, SO IF I
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HAD AN OPINION AND HE DIDN'T
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AGREE WITH IT, THEN I WOULD FEEL
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REJECTED, SO THEN I WOULD GO
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INTO THIS MODE OF TRYING TO
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CONVINCE HIM THAT I WAS RIGHT,
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SO THEN HE FELT MANIPULATED AND
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CONTROLLED, AND, LIKE, THE ONLY
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WAY THAT HE'D GET ALONG WITH ME
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WAS IF HE ALWAYS AGREED WITH ME,
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WHICH THEN-- SO MY DYSFUNCTION
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TOOK AWAY HIS FREEDOM, AND, I
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MEAN, WHEN GOD FINALLY SHOWED ME
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YOU KNOW, I JUST-- IT WAS
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REJECTION.
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IT WAS THAT ROOT OF REJECTION
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THAT I HAD IN MY LIFE FROM MY
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PAST, AND SO IF I COOKED A MEAL
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AND IT WASN'T HIS FAVORITE,
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I FELT REJECTED.
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IF HE DIDN'T AGREE WITH MY
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OPINION, I FELT REJECTED.
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IF HE DIDN'T LIKE AN OUTFIT I
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PUT ON, I FELT REJECTED BECAUSE
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I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS.
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I WAS ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
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I WAS THE WAY I LOOKED, OR I
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WAS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I COOKED,
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OR, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAD TO
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BE COMPLIMENTS, AND "I AGREE
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WITH YOU," AND "YOU'RE RIGHT."
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FEEL SO
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WRONG, YOU WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO
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CONSTANTLY BE TELLING YOU THAT
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YOU'RE RIGHT, AND SOONER OR
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LATER, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET
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TIRED OF KEEPING YOU FIXED
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BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO
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ALL DAY LONG IS MAKE YOU FEEL
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GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.
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- MATT: CAN I USE YOU AS A
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REFEREE, JUST FOR A SECOND, AND
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JUST-- I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT
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THERE'S CAMERAS HERE AND THAT
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WE'RE RECORDING--
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- LAURIE: HERE WE GO.
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- MATT: I JUST WANNA--
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[LAUGHTER]
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LET ME TELL YA KIND OF THE
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OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID
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THAT MIGHT HAPPEN ONCE IN A
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WHILE IS--
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- LAURIE: I LOVE WHEN WE PLAY
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THIS GAME WITH YOU, DON'T YOU?
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- JOYCE: AND YOU HAVE TO BE
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NICE 'CAUSE--
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- LAURIE: YOU DO.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- MATT: BUT REFEREE THIS
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BECAUSE LAURIE WOULD NEVER TRY
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TO CONVINCE ME SHE WAS RIGHT.
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SHE WOULD CLAM UP AND PROBABLY
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FEEL A LEVEL OF REJECTION THAT I
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DIDN'T SEE IT THE WAY SHE DID OR
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WHATEVER, BUT SHE WOULD NEVER
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TRY TO OUT-VERBAL-SKILL ME.
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- LAURIE: FIGHT WITH IT.
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- MATT: YEAH, SHE WOULD JUST
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CLAM UP AND KIND OF GO-- SO YOU
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ARE A VERBAL COMMUNICATOR, SO
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YOU WERE TRYING-- SHE WOULD BE
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THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, BUT IT'S A
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VERY SIMILAR THING.
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IF WE EVER GET IN ANY KIND OF A
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DISAGREEMENT OVER, FOR GOODNESS'
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SAKES, THE COLOR OF A CANDLE--
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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS--
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THEN SHE WOULD PROBABLY JUST
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CLAM UP, SO THAT'D BE THE--
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- JOYCE: WELL, SEE, I EXPLODE,
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AND SHE IMPLODES.
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- MATT: THERE YOU GO, YEAH.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- JOYCE: BUT BOTH ARE EQUALLY
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DESTRUCTIVE.
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- MATT: BUT I'M RIGHT, RIGHT?
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- LAURIE: HE'S ALWAYS RIGHT.
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THAT'S THE PROBLEM, JOYCE.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- MATT: I'M JUST TRYIN' TO GET
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YOU TO SAY I'M RIGHT IS ALL I--
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- JOYCE: ALL MEN ARE ALWAYS
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RIGHT.
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- MATT: THERE YOU GO.
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OH, THERE'S THE INSTAGRAM QUOTE.
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THERE IT IS, RIGHT THERE.
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- JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S LIKE AT
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LEAST THEY THINK THEY ARE.
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[LAUGHTER]
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THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE REVELATION
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WHEN THEY GET TO HEAVEN.
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- LAURIE: GO AHEAD AND BRING
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THAT.
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- JOYCE: YEAH.
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[LAUGHTER]
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I TOLD DAVE THE OTHER DAY, I
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SAID, "YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO
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HEAVEN, YOU'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE
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BIT BORED BECAUSE THE REST OF US
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ARE GONNA KNOW EVERYTHING WE'VE
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NEVER KNOWN."
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YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS,
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"YOU'LL KNOW EVEN AS YOU'RE
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KNOWN," BUT I SAID, "YOU
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ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING."
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[LAUGHTER]
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SO THERE'S GONNA BE NOTHING
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FOR--
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- LAURIE: NO SURPRISES FOR YOU.
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- JOYCE: THERE'S GONNA BE NO
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SURPRISES AT ALL FOR YOU.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- MATT: WHAT'S FUNNY?
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- LAURIE: YOU AND DAVE ARE JUST
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SUCH GOOD FRIENDS.
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- MATT: YEAH, I GOTCHA, ALL
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RIGHT.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT
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WE RESPOND TO THINGS ARE
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PARTIALLY DEPENDENT, LARGE PART
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DEPENDENT ON OUR TEMPERAMENT.
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LIKE, I KNOW A WOMAN IN MINISTRY
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WHO WAS ALSO ABUSED SEXUALLY BY
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A FAMILY MEMBER LIKE I WAS, AND
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I CAME OUT OF IT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
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A BULL IN A CHINA CABINET, AND
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SHE SHRUNK BACK WITHIN HERSELF
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AND WOULD NEVER CONFRONT
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ANYTHING.
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AND THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY
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DESTRUCTIVE, AND THEY'RE BOTH
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EQUALLY WRONG BECAUSE IF YOU DO
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WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU END UP
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LETTING PEOPLE WALK ALL OVER YOU
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ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU WON'T
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SPEAK UP FOR YOURSELF.
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YOU WON'T TAKE UP FOR YOURSELF,
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AND YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
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I WAS ON THE OTHER END OF THE
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EXTREME WHERE-- I MEAN, I
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CONFRONTED EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW,
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NO RIGHT TIMING, NO RIGHT PLACE,
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YOU KNOW, NO DOIN' IT QUIETLY OR
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PRIVATELY.
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I WAS JUST, LIKE, IF I FELT IT,
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"BWAAHH," OUT IT CAME.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- LAURIE: YEAH, SEE, I LOVE TO
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.110
WATCH THAT.
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- JOYCE: YEAH.
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[LAUGHTER]
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AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
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WE HAVE TO LEARN TO UNDERSTAND
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WHERE SOME OF THIS BEHAVIOR'S
00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:02.250
COMING FROM.
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AND SOMETHING THAT IS AMAZING TO
00:24:04.130 --> 00:24:05.260
ME, IT'S AMAZING WHAT GOD'LL
00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:08.290
TELL YA IF YOU JUST ASK HIM.
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- MATT: WOW.
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- JOYCE: WHY DID I DO THAT?
00:24:11.070 --> 00:24:14.070
ONE NIGHT, I WAS TOSSIN' AND
00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:15.200
TURNIN'.
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.040
I COULDN'T SLEEP, AND I USUALLY
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SLEEP PRETTY GOOD, AND I DON'T
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KNOW WHY IT TOOK ME TILL 5 A.M.,
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BUT FINALLY AT 5 A.M., I SAID,
00:24:20.030 --> 00:24:21.050
"GOD, WHAT IS WRONG?"
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AND IMMEDIATELY, HE SHOWED ME
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THAT I HAD REALLY HURT
00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:27.090
SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS THE DAY
00:24:27.090 --> 00:24:28.110
BEFORE AND NEVER BOTHERED TO
00:24:28.110 --> 00:24:31.110
TELL THEM I WAS SORRY, NEVER
00:24:31.110 --> 00:24:33.180
REPENTED FOR IT, AND AS SOON AS
00:24:34.010 --> 00:24:37.010
I DID, I WENT TO SLEEP, BUT I
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DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER UNTIL I
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ASKED.
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"YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK
00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:42.160
NOT."
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.120
SO INSTEAD OF ASKING GOD
00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:45.260
WHAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYBODY
00:24:45.260 --> 00:24:46.290
ELSE, WE NEED TO START ASKIN'
00:24:48.070 --> 00:24:51.070
HIM, WE NEED TO START OWNING OUR
00:24:51.070 --> 00:24:52.020
REACTIONS TO THINGS, NOT JUST
00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:56.110
BLAMING, BUT OWNING OUR REACTION
00:24:56.110 --> 00:24:57.220
TO THINGS.
00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:58.280
WHEN YOU STOP MAKIN' EXCUSES FOR
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.260
ALL YOUR WRONG BEHAVIOR, I MEAN,
00:25:02.260 --> 00:25:05.250
THINGS START TO CHANGE PRETTY
00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:08.090
RAPIDLY,
00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.180
JESUS SAID, "THE TRUTH WILL MAKE
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:12.050
YOU FREE,"
00:25:12.050 --> 00:25:12.270
BUT IT'S NOT THE TRUTH ABOUT
00:25:12.270 --> 00:25:14.050
SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAKES
00:25:14.050 --> 00:25:14.280
ME FREE.
00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:15.260
IT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT ME
00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:17.120
THAT MAKES ME FREE.
00:25:17.120 --> 00:25:19.240
- MATT: WHERE ELSE DO YOU WANT
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.220
TO GO HERE?
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:22.030
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANNA UNPACK?
00:25:22.030 --> 00:25:23.030
- LAURIE: I LOVE WHAT YOU SAY.
00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:23.290
YOU SAID, "TRUE FREEDOM IS
00:25:23.290 --> 00:25:24.280
INSIDE OF US, NOT AROUND US."
00:25:24.280 --> 00:25:26.060
- JOYCE: RIGHT, YUP.
00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:27.080
- LAURIE: I LOVE THAT PART.
00:25:27.080 --> 00:25:28.070
THERE'S SO MANY AMAZING--
00:25:28.070 --> 00:25:30.010
- JOYCE: THERE'S SO MANY GOOD
00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:30.230
THINGS.
00:25:30.230 --> 00:25:31.110
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
00:25:31.110 --> 00:25:32.070
EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO ME AS FAR
00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:33.290
AS FORGIVING IS GOD TOLD ME,
00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:36.270
"HURTING PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE."
00:25:36.270 --> 00:25:38.230
AND SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE--
00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:41.020
IF YOU'RE WATCHING AND
00:25:41.020 --> 00:25:43.250
YOU'VE BEEN REALLY HURT BY
00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:45.030
SOMEBODY, THEY HURT YOU OUT OF
00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:48.170
THEIR HURT, AND IF YOU REALIZE
00:25:48.170 --> 00:25:50.170
THAT, THEN IT DOES MAKE IT A
00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:52.110
LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FORGIVE
00:25:52.110 --> 00:25:53.090
THEM.
00:25:53.090 --> 00:25:56.000
MY FATHER HAD NOT BEEN RAISED
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.270
RIGHT, AND THERE WAS INCEST IN
00:25:57.270 --> 00:25:59.130
HIS HOME, WHICH I FOUND OUT
00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:01.100
LATER, AND HE WASN'T TREATED
00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:04.080
RIGHT BY HIS DAD, AND HIS DAD
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:07.140
WAS A CHRISTIAN, AND, YET HE WAS
00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.210
A MEAN CHRISTIAN, AND THAT
00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.110
DOESN'T ALWAYS SET WELL WITH THE
00:26:10.110 --> 00:26:13.070
PEOPLE AROUND YOU, AND SO HE
00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:16.120
WAS-- ALREADY HAD TWO STRIKES
00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:21.230
AGAINST HIM WHEN HE STARTED--
00:26:21.230 --> 00:26:23.140
AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE WHAT HE
00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:24.280
DID OKAY, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT
00:26:24.280 --> 00:26:26.120
EASIER TO FORGIVE IF YOU REALIZE
00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:29.130
THAT PEOPLE ARE HURTING YOU OUT
00:26:30.100 --> 00:26:33.100
OF THEIR OWN PAIN.
00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:36.130
AND THEN ANOTHER CHAPTER IN HERE
00:26:36.130 --> 00:26:38.040
THAT I REALLY ENJOYED PREACHING
00:26:38.040 --> 00:26:40.020
THIS MESSAGE WAS
00:26:40.020 --> 00:26:40.260
"NO PARKING AT ANY TIME."
00:26:40.260 --> 00:26:42.060
ONE DAY, I WAS DRIVING DOWN
00:26:42.060 --> 00:26:43.180
THE STREET, AND I JUST SAW
00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:44.130
THIS SIGN,
00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:45.030
"NO PARKING AT ANY TIME,"
00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:46.210
AND IT, JUST, LIKE,
00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.120
EXPLODED INTO ME.
00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:48.230
I THOUGHT, "THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE
00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:49.230
DO WITH THEIR LIFE."
00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:50.260
THEY PARK AT THE POINT OF
00:26:50.260 --> 00:26:51.230
THEIR PAIN, AND THEY DON'T
00:26:51.230 --> 00:26:53.000
GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
00:26:53.260 --> 00:26:56.260
AND I HAPPENED TO SEE A MOVIE--
00:26:56.260 --> 00:26:59.210
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW
00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:00.240
IT-- IT'S ABOUT-- I THINK IT'S
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.060
CALLED "THE YELLOW VAN," OR
00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:04.230
SOMETHIN', AND THIS IS ACTUALLY
00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:05.180
A TRUE STORY.
00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:07.140
IT WAS ABOUT A WOMAN WHO WAS
00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:09.150
HOMELESS, AND SHE LIVED IN THIS
00:27:09.150 --> 00:27:11.170
YELLOW VAN THAT SHE HAD PAINTED
00:27:11.170 --> 00:27:12.220
YELLOW.
00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:16.180
THEY KEPT RUNNING HER OFF
00:27:16.180 --> 00:27:17.070
THE STREET.
00:27:17.070 --> 00:27:18.160
SHE'D PARK ON THE STREET, AND
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.170
THEY'D LET HER STAY THERE SO
00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:20.230
LONG, SO, FINALLY, SHE WENT TO
00:27:20.230 --> 00:27:22.100
THIS PERSON'S HOUSE AND ASKED IF
00:27:22.100 --> 00:27:23.200
SHE COULD PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.180
FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
00:27:26.180 --> 00:27:28.130
BECAUSE SHE FOUND OUT SHE COULD
00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:30.010
GET SOME MONEY FROM THE
00:27:30.010 --> 00:27:31.160
GOVERNMENT MONTHLY IF SHE HAD AN
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.100
ADDRESS.
00:27:33.100 --> 00:27:35.250
BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:37.230
SO HE DIDN'T REALLY WANNA DO
00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:38.180
IT--
00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:39.220
THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OVER
00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:40.120
IN ENGLAND--
00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:41.160
BUT HE LET HER PARK THERE.
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.110
WELL, SHE ENDED UP STAYIN' THERE
00:27:42.110 --> 00:27:43.180
FOR, LIKE, YEARS AND YEARS, AND
00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:45.160
YEARS, BUT THE ULTIMATE-- I
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.040
MEAN, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT TO
00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:50.100
GET TO THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF
00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:52.180
IT, SHE WAS A CONCERT PIANIST.
00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:55.050
SHE'D PRAYED-- I MEAN, PLAYED
00:27:55.050 --> 00:27:57.190
BEFORE KINGS AND QUEENS AND WAS
00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:58.260
JUST PHENOMENAL.
00:27:59.050 --> 00:28:02.070
SHE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LOVED
00:28:02.070 --> 00:28:03.250
GOD, SO SHE BECAME A NUN, AND
00:28:03.250 --> 00:28:06.020
SHE HAPPENED TO HAVE A MOTHER
00:28:06.110 --> 00:28:09.110
SUPERIOR THAT WAS NOT VERY KIND
00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:13.130
AND WAS REALLY JEALOUS OF HER
00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:15.160
PIANO GIFT, AND SO SHE TOLD HER
00:28:16.030 --> 00:28:19.030
THAT GOD WANTED HER TO GIVE IT
00:28:19.030 --> 00:28:21.270
UP BECAUSE IT WAS PRIDEFUL, AND
00:28:21.270 --> 00:28:24.190
SO THAT HURT HER SO BAD, AND THE
00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:26.240
WAY THEY TREATED HER HURT HER SO
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.220
BAD, THAT SHE ENDED UP LEAVING
00:28:28.220 --> 00:28:31.130
AND HAVING SOME KIND OF, LIKE, A
00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:33.070
MENTAL BREAKDOWN, AND THEN, AT
00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.290
ONE POINT IN HER LIFE, SHE HAD
00:28:34.290 --> 00:28:36.120
HIT A YOUNG MAN IN THE STREET
00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:38.120
AND KILLED HIM, AND SO BETWEEN
00:28:38.120 --> 00:28:40.240
CARRYING THE GUILT OF THAT AND
00:28:41.260 --> 00:28:44.260
WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER, SHE
00:28:44.260 --> 00:28:46.190
ENDED UP BEIN' HOMELESS AND
00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:48.230
LIVING IN HER VAN, AND, OF
00:28:48.230 --> 00:28:51.070
COURSE, THIS PART OF THE STORY
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.200
WAS FICTIONAL, BUT WHEN SHE GOT
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.140
TO HEAVEN, THE FIRST PERSON--
00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:57.240
SHE DIED IN HER VAN, BY THE WAY.
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.190
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU DIE WHERE
00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:00.080
YOU PARK.
00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:01.000
FIRST PERSON SHE SAW WHEN SHE
00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:05.230
GOT TO HEAVEN WAS THIS YOUNG
00:29:05.230 --> 00:29:07.030
MAN THAT SHE HAD BLAMED HERSELF
00:29:07.060 --> 00:29:10.060
FOR KILLING, ALL THESE YEARS,
00:29:10.060 --> 00:29:11.080
AND HE SAID, "YOU DIDN'T
00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.060
KILL ME.
00:29:12.060 --> 00:29:12.260
I STEPPED OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR
00:29:12.260 --> 00:29:13.180
CAR ON PURPOSE."
00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:15.170
- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:16.060
- JOYCE: AND SO, ME BEING
00:29:16.060 --> 00:29:17.100
ABUSED, I CARRIED THE GUILT OF
00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:18.020
THAT.
00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:19.080
I THOUGHT, "WELL, WHAT'S WRONG
00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:20.040
WITH ME THAT MY FATHER WANTS TO
00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:20.260
DO THAT TO ME?"
00:29:20.260 --> 00:29:22.250
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE-- SOMEBODY
00:29:22.250 --> 00:29:24.200
ELSE IS DYSFUNCTIONAL AND
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.200
THEY'RE HURTING YOU-- BUT, I
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.210
MEAN, HOW MANY WOMEN WHOSE
00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:31.050
HUSBANDS CHEAT ON THEM, THINK,
00:29:31.050 --> 00:29:32.230
"WELL, IT MUST'VE BEEN MY
00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:34.170
FAULT"?
00:29:34.170 --> 00:29:36.150
YOU KNOW, "I WASN'T PRETTY
00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:37.160
ENOUGH" OR "I WASN'T 'THIS'
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.110
ENOUGH," OR-- YOU KNOW, THE
00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.170
DEVIL ALWAYS WANTS US TO THINK
00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:40.190
WE'RE NOT ENOUGH, AND THAT'S WHY
00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:41.230
PEOPLE MISTREAT US, AND I JUST
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.000
DON'T WANNA SEE PEOPLE JUST PARK
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.160
THEIR LIFE AT THE POINT OF THEIR
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.140
PAIN AND STAY THERE THE REST OF
00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:54.080
YOUR LIFE, LIVING SOME KIND OF A
00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:56.020
HALF-LIFE, WHEN JESUS DIED FOR
00:29:56.020 --> 00:29:58.130
YOU TO BE MADE COMPLETELY WHOLE,
00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:02.020
AND THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THE
00:30:02.020 --> 00:30:03.280
SOUL BEIN' HEALTHY, I MEAN, THE
00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:05.180
THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO ME AND
00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:07.210
THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO
00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:09.010
OTHER PEOPLE, IT AFFECTS HOW YOU
00:30:09.010 --> 00:30:09.240
THAT'S WHY THE BIBLE SAYS
00:30:13.010 --> 00:30:13.270
CLEARLY THAT ONE OF THE FIRST
00:30:13.270 --> 00:30:15.270
THINGS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS YOU
00:30:15.270 --> 00:30:17.290
HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR
00:30:17.290 --> 00:30:19.040
MIND RENEWED THROUGH THE WORD OF
00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:21.010
GOD.
00:30:21.010 --> 00:30:23.280
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIL TOLD
00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:25.070
ME ALL MY LIFE, "WHAT'S WRONG
00:30:25.070 --> 00:30:26.040
WITH YOU?"
00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:26.270
WELL, THE FIRST THING I STUDY IS
00:30:26.270 --> 00:30:28.030
SO THE ENEMY WANTS TO REMIND US
00:30:31.020 --> 00:30:32.220
DAILY OF EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:34.150
WITH US, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS, "HE
00:30:34.150 --> 00:30:36.270
THAT KNEW NO SIN BECAME SIN THAT
00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:39.170
WE MIGHT BE MADE THE
00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:40.130
RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST,"
00:30:40.130 --> 00:30:42.280
AND SO THE MORE YOU THINK YOU'RE
00:30:42.280 --> 00:30:45.110
WRONG, THE MORE WRONG THINGS
00:30:45.110 --> 00:30:46.220
YOU'LL DO, BUT THE MORE YOU
00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.210
BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH
00:30:48.210 --> 00:30:50.160
GOD THROUGH JESUS' SACRIFICE,
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.210
THE MORE RIGHT THINGS YOU'LL DO.
00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:55.040
GOD NEVER EXPECTS US TO DO
00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:56.270
ANYTHING WITHOUT GIVING US THE
00:30:56.270 --> 00:30:58.050
EQUIPMENT TO DO IT, SO HE
00:30:58.050 --> 00:30:59.100
FORGIVES US FIRST SO WE CAN
00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:00.210
FORGIVE OTHER PEOPLE.
00:31:00.210 --> 00:31:03.140
HE'S MERCIFUL TO US SO WE CAN BE
00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:06.050
MERCIFUL TO OTHERS.
00:31:06.050 --> 00:31:08.050
HE LOVES US--
00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:09.080
- LAURIE: YEAH, HE GIVES US
00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:09.290
THAT ABILITY.
00:31:09.290 --> 00:31:10.120
- JOYCE: YEAH, SO WE CAN LOVE
00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:11.130
OTHER PEOPLE, AND SO HE NEVER
00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:12.040
ASKS US TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S
00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:15.010
NOT GONNA BE FOR OUR BENEFIT.
00:31:15.010 --> 00:31:16.270
SO EVEN WHEN SOMETHING IS HARD,
00:31:16.270 --> 00:31:18.240
GOD'S TRYIN' TO SET YOU FREE
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.260
FROM SOMETHIN' THAT'S GONNA BE
00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:22.080
MUCH HARDER IF YOU KEEP IT.
00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:25.100
SO THAT, TO ME, WAS A REALLY
00:31:25.100 --> 00:31:27.220
IMPORTANT CHAPTER IN THE BOOK
00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:31.130
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO
00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.100
MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU'RE
00:31:32.100 --> 00:31:34.060
GONNA PUT YOUR LIFE IN "DRIVE"
00:31:34.060 --> 00:31:36.050
AGAIN AND STOP JUST BLAMING
00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:39.050
EVERYTHING ON WHAT PEOPLE DID TO
00:31:39.050 --> 00:31:40.080
YOU OR WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:41.210
- MATT: WE'VE HEARD IT SAID
00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:42.250
SIMILARLY THAT "THE POINT OF
00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.150
YOUR PAIN WILL EITHER BE YOUR
00:31:45.150 --> 00:31:47.020
PRISON OR YOUR PLATFORM."
00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:48.140
- JOYCE: THAT'S VERY GOOD.
00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:49.080
- MATT: AND WE ARE UNPACKING
00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:50.240
"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN,"
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.180
WITH JOYCE MEYER.
00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:54.220
THIS IS ABOUT HER 121ST OR -22ND
00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:56.260
BOOK.
00:31:56.260 --> 00:31:58.280
SHE IS A NUMBER ONE "NEW YORK
00:31:58.280 --> 00:32:01.060
TIMES" BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, AND
00:32:01.060 --> 00:32:02.160
WE ARE UNPACKING HER LATEST
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.250
BOOK, OKAY.
00:32:04.180 --> 00:32:07.180
- LAURIE: MORE IMPORTANT-- KEEP
00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:09.220
GOIN'.
00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:10.090
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THINGS THAT
00:32:10.090 --> 00:32:12.100
YOU LOVE TO PREACH OUT OF THIS
00:32:12.100 --> 00:32:13.150
BOOK.
00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:15.030
- JOYCE: WELL, I MEAN, I WANNA
00:32:15.030 --> 00:32:15.250
HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY
00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:16.170
TOO.
00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:17.070
- LAURIE: OKAY, A PSYCHOLOGIST,
00:32:17.070 --> 00:32:19.050
ONCE, THAT YOU INTERVIEWED ONE
00:32:19.050 --> 00:32:21.060
TIME, SAID THAT "A WOMAN NEEDS
00:32:21.060 --> 00:32:22.070
TO MAKE PEACE WITH THEIR
00:32:22.070 --> 00:32:24.020
THIGHS."
00:32:24.020 --> 00:32:26.030
[LAUGHTER]
00:32:26.030 --> 00:32:26.200
ARE YOU GONNA EXPLAIN THAT?
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:27.150
- MATT: I'M GONNA LEAVE NOW.
00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:28.060
[LAUGHTER]
00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:30.100
- JOYCE: WELL, BASICALLY, WHAT
00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:31.110
SHE WAS TALKIN' ABOUT IS YOU
00:32:31.110 --> 00:32:32.190
HAVE TO GET AROUND TO THE POINT
00:32:32.190 --> 00:32:34.030
OF ACCEPTING YOURSELF AS YOU ARE
00:32:35.090 --> 00:32:38.090
BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE ANY PROGRESS
00:32:38.090 --> 00:32:40.040
- LAURIE: IS THAT LIKE NUMBER
00:32:44.030 --> 00:32:44.240
ONE, POINT NUMBER ONE, OF WHAT
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.220
WE HAVE TO CHANGE TO GO TO BE
00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:46.260
HEALED?
00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:49.080
PEOPLE WANT THIS.
00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:51.240
WE WANT OUR EMOTIONS AND OUR
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.290
SPIRIT AND OUR MIND TO BE
00:32:52.290 --> 00:32:53.270
WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE
00:32:57.020 --> 00:32:58.020
NEED TO DO, PROBABLY, BESIDES
00:32:58.020 --> 00:32:59.240
JUST "RENEW YOUR MIND WITH THE
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.080
WORD OF GOD"?
00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:01.230
- JOYCE: WELL, THE FIRST THING
00:33:02.020 --> 00:33:05.020
IS YOU NEED TO RECEIVE JESUS
00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:05.240
CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BECAUSE
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.220
YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND DO IT
00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:11.080
RIGHT IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIM
00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:13.140
HELPING YOU AND LIVING ON THE
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:15.130
INSIDE OF YOU TO BEGIN TO REVEAL
00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:18.010
TO YOU AND SHOW THINGS TO YOU.
00:33:18.010 --> 00:33:19.290
YOU KNOW, HAVIN' A RELATIONSHIP
00:33:19.290 --> 00:33:21.260
WITH JESUS ISN'T JUST ABOUT "OH,
00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:23.060
GOOD, I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL
00:33:23.060 --> 00:33:25.290
WHEN I DIE.
00:33:25.290 --> 00:33:26.220
I GET TO GO TO HEAVEN."
00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.290
HE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE A
00:33:28.290 --> 00:33:29.180
GREAT LIFE,
00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:30.190
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE NEXT
00:33:30.190 --> 00:33:32.060
THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN,
00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:34.130
LAURIE, IS YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE
00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:35.280
THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THAT
00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:38.220
IT'S NOT EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.200
A PROBLEM.
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.070
SEE, I THOUGHT EVERYBODY ELSE
00:33:40.070 --> 00:33:41.170
HAD A PROBLEM.
00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:42.240
I THOUGHT, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.150
DAVE?
00:33:43.150 --> 00:33:44.050
WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY KIDS?
00:33:44.050 --> 00:33:45.180
WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY NEIGHBOR?
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.190
WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY PARENTS?"
00:33:47.190 --> 00:33:49.130
IT WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE.
00:33:49.130 --> 00:33:51.100
IT WASN'T ME, AND I REMEMBER AN
00:33:51.100 --> 00:33:53.250
EXPERIENCE I HAD WHEN I WAS
00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:55.120
PRAYIN' ONE DAY FOR DAVE TO
00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:57.040
CHANGE, AND, I MEAN, I WAS GOIN'
00:33:57.040 --> 00:33:58.150
AFTER IT.
00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:00.260
I PRAYED LOUD AND LONG AND--
00:34:00.260 --> 00:34:02.190
"OH, GOD, YOU GOTTA CHANGE
00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:03.280
DAVE," YOU KNOW.
00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:05.040
I'D LAY DOWN ON THE FLOOR ON MY
00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:06.210
FACE AND GET REAL DRAMATIC:
00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:08.140
"GOD, YOU GOTTA CHANGE DAVE.
00:34:08.160 --> 00:34:11.160
I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE."
00:34:11.160 --> 00:34:12.100
AND I HEARD THE HOLY SPIRIT
00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:13.270
SPEAK TO ME AND SAY,
00:34:13.270 --> 00:34:15.050
"DAVE'S NOT THE PROBLEM."
00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:17.210
AND I HONESTLY THOUGHT,
00:34:17.210 --> 00:34:18.120
"WELL, WHO IS?"
00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:20.140
[LAUGHTER]
00:34:20.140 --> 00:34:22.040
I MEAN--
00:34:22.040 --> 00:34:22.230
- LAURIE: "SHOW ME, LORD."
00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.010
- JOYCE: -- I COULDN'T EVEN
00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:24.220
CONCEIVE THAT IT WAS ME.
00:34:24.220 --> 00:34:26.100
I HAD LIVED IN DENIAL.
00:34:26.100 --> 00:34:28.080
I HAD LIVED IN DENIAL FOR SO
00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:31.170
LONG THAT I THOUGHT, "WELL, IF
00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:33.090
IT'S NOT DAVE, WHO IS IT?"
00:34:33.090 --> 00:34:34.270
AND GOD SPENT THE NEXT THREE
00:34:34.270 --> 00:34:36.090
DAYS REVEALING TO ME WHAT IT WAS
00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:39.130
LIKE TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE WITH
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:40.080
ME.
00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:41.070
- MATT: WOW.
00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:43.000
- JOYCE: AND I CRIED FOR THREE
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:43.220
DAYS BECAUSE I-- I MEAN, IT'S
00:34:43.220 --> 00:34:45.100
HARD.
00:34:45.100 --> 00:34:48.090
IT'S HARD WHEN YOU START HAVING
00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:50.150
TO FACE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M
00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:51.230
SELFISH, AND I'M JEALOUS, AND
00:34:51.230 --> 00:34:53.080
I'M SELF-CENTERED, AND I'M MAD
00:34:53.080 --> 00:34:54.190
IF I DON'T GET MY WAY ALL THE
00:34:54.190 --> 00:34:56.170
TIME, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE
00:34:56.170 --> 00:34:58.170
TRUTHS THAT YOU FACE THEN GIVES
00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:01.180
YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM.
00:35:01.180 --> 00:35:04.180
YOU CANNOT BE HEALED FROM A
00:35:04.180 --> 00:35:05.190
PROBLEM UNTIL YOU FIRST OWN THE
00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:07.230
PROBLEM, AND SO HOW LONG IS THAT
00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:11.070
GONNA TAKE PEOPLE?
00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:12.090
I DON'T KNOW.
00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:12.280
- MATT: SO THE FIRST THING IS
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:13.290
DON'T DO IT ALONE.
00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:14.230
DO IT WITH JESUS.
00:35:14.230 --> 00:35:15.210
- JOYCE: RIGHT.
00:35:15.210 --> 00:35:16.060
- MATT: SECOND THING IS ADMIT
00:35:16.060 --> 00:35:17.230
THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
00:35:17.230 --> 00:35:19.140
WHAT'S THE THIRD THING?
00:35:19.140 --> 00:35:21.200
I WANNA GET THIS OUT BECAUSE,
00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:22.110
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL--
00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:23.090
- LAURIE: I THINK YOU HAVE A
00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:24.000
PROBLEM.
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.080
[LAUGHTER]
00:35:25.080 --> 00:35:25.200
OKAY, THEN THERE'S DAVE.
00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:26.130
[LAUGHTER]
00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:27.070
- MATT: THEN THERE'S NUMBER
00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:27.280
THREE.
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:28.070
SO WHAT'S NUMBER THREE?
00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:28.250
WHAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT
00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:29.180
PROGRESSION?
00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:30.120
- JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S ONE
00:35:30.120 --> 00:35:31.120
CHAPTER IN HERE ABOUT FINDING
00:35:31.120 --> 00:35:33.040
YOUR PATH, AND THE THING IS THE
00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:35.230
HOLY SPIRIT WILL TAKE OVER YOUR
00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:38.080
HEALING IF YOU ASK HIM "I NEED
00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:41.130
YOU TO HEAL ME."
00:35:41.130 --> 00:35:44.060
THE GREAT THING ABOUT PUTTIN'
00:35:44.060 --> 00:35:46.110
THE HOLY SPIRIT ON YOUR CASE
00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:47.200
IS HE ALREADY KNOWS MORE ABOUT
00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:49.080
YOU THAN YOU'LL EVER FIND OUT,
00:35:49.080 --> 00:35:50.230
AND HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT
00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:53.000
TAKES FOR EACH PERSON AND
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.260
EXACTLY WHEN THE RIGHT TIME IS.
00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:58.290
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I MIGHT CONFRONT
00:35:59.090 --> 00:36:02.110
SOMEBODY ABOUT SOMETHIN' TOO
00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:05.100
SOON.
00:36:05.100 --> 00:36:06.230
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:07.120
I WAS COUNSELING A WOMAN ONE
00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:08.250
TIME, AND SHE HAD JUST RECEIVED
00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:11.090
JESUS, BUT SHE WAS LIVING WITH
00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:14.130
HER BOYFRIEND AND HAD BEEN FOR A
00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:15.060
LONG TIME.
00:36:15.060 --> 00:36:17.100
WELL, SHE WAS IN MY OFFICE
00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.140
FOR COUNSELING, AND I WAS
00:36:18.140 --> 00:36:20.010
ALREADY PLANNING WHAT I WAS
00:36:20.010 --> 00:36:21.060
GONNA SAY TO HER WHILE SHE WAS
00:36:21.060 --> 00:36:21.280
TALKIN', AND I THOUGHT, "WELL,
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.210
I'M GONNA TELL HER THAT SHE'S
00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:23.190
GOTTA-- YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOTTA
00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:25.030
PUT AN END TO THIS RELATIONSHIP.
00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:26.070
SHE CAN'T BE LIVIN' IN THAT KIND
00:36:26.070 --> 00:36:27.080
OF SIN AND EXPECT GOD TO HELP
00:36:27.080 --> 00:36:28.250
HER.
00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.290
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT CLEARLY SAID
00:36:29.290 --> 00:36:31.010
TO ME, "YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELL
00:36:31.010 --> 00:36:32.070
HER THAT."
00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:32.210
- MATT: WOW.
00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:33.280
- JOYCE: "SHE'S NOT READY FOR
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.190
THAT.
00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:36.140
WHEN THE TIME'S RIGHT, I'LL TELL
00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:37.070
HER THAT."
00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:38.240
AND, SEE, I THINK EVEN IN
00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:39.130
DEALING WITH PEOPLE, WE WANT
00:36:39.130 --> 00:36:42.020
SOMEBODY TO GET SAVED LAST
00:36:42.020 --> 00:36:42.280
NIGHT, AND WE WANNA SIT 'EM DOWN
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.280
TODAY AND TELL 'EM ALL THE
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.160
THINGS NOW THEY HAVE TO CHANGE,
00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:48.190
BUT MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE LOVED
00:36:49.060 --> 00:36:52.060
ON BY GOD FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE
00:36:52.060 --> 00:36:54.140
THEY CAN DO ANY OF THAT, SO THE
00:36:54.180 --> 00:36:57.180
HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS EXACTLY WHEN
00:36:57.180 --> 00:36:59.260
AND EXACTLY HOW.
00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:03.090
AND SO I WAS MARRIED TO DAVE FOR
00:37:03.090 --> 00:37:04.220
SEVERAL YEARS, PROBABLY FIVE OR
00:37:04.220 --> 00:37:06.050
SIX YEARS, AND WE WENT TO A
00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:08.070
CHURCH SERVICE WHERE THERE WAS A
00:37:08.070 --> 00:37:09.290
WOMAN GIVING HER TESTIMONY THAT
00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:11.110
NIGHT THAT HAD BEEN SEXUALLY
00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:14.110
ABUSED BY HER FATHER LIKE I HAD,
00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:16.010
AND SHE HAD WRITTEN A BOOK, AND,
00:37:16.010 --> 00:37:17.220
YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GONNA BUY THE
00:37:18.070 --> 00:37:21.070
BOOK.
00:37:21.070 --> 00:37:23.290
I MEAN, THAT WASN'T MY PROBLEM
00:37:23.290 --> 00:37:26.180
BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WHEN I GOT
00:37:26.180 --> 00:37:28.050
AWAY FROM MY FATHER, THAT I GOT
00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:30.200
AWAY FROM MY PROBLEM, BUT, SEE,
00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:31.260
I DIDN'T REALIZE I TOOK IT WITH
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:33.290
ME IN MY SOUL, AND THAT'S WHAT
00:37:33.290 --> 00:37:36.080
SO MANY PEOPLE THINK.
00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:37.270
THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, "I'M OUT
00:37:37.270 --> 00:37:39.130
OF HERE."
00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:41.240
I MEAN, I HAD MY PLAN:
00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:43.230
"I'M OUT OF HERE.
00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:44.140
NOBODY'S EVER GONNA TELL ME WHAT
00:37:44.140 --> 00:37:45.190
TO DO AGAIN.
00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:47.010
I'LL NEVER TRUST ANYBODY AGAIN.
00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:48.100
NOBODY'S EVER GONNA HURT ME
00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:49.190
AGAIN."
00:37:49.190 --> 00:37:50.080
AND SO I HAD ALL THESE INNER
00:37:50.080 --> 00:37:51.250
VOWS, ALL THESE PROMISES
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:53.150
THAT I HAD MADE TO MYSELF TO
00:37:53.150 --> 00:37:55.070
TAKE CARE OF MYSELF, AND I
00:37:55.070 --> 00:37:56.140
WOULDN'T REALLY LET ANYBODY EVEN
00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:58.120
IN.
00:37:58.120 --> 00:38:00.050
I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY GET CLOSE
00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:01.060
ENOUGH TO EVEN TAKE A CHANCE ON
00:38:01.060 --> 00:38:03.260
HURTING ME, AND SO I DIDN'T
00:38:06.110 --> 00:38:09.110
REALLY REALIZE HOW MANY PROBLEMS
00:38:09.110 --> 00:38:11.180
I HAD.
00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:13.130
WELL, DAVE BOUGHT ME THE BOOK,
00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:15.220
AND HE GAVE IT TO ME, AND I-- SO
00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:17.290
THE NEXT-- I MEAN, I REMEMBER I
00:38:17.290 --> 00:38:20.000
WAS SITTING, AND I OPENED UP THE
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.090
BOOK, AND CHAPTER ONE, PAGE ONE,
00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.190
THIS GIRL'S DESCRIBING THE ABUSE
00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:28.040
IN DETAIL AND SOME OF THE THINGS
00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:30.110
HER FATHER DID TO HER.
00:38:30.110 --> 00:38:31.220
I MEAN, THE PAIN THAT CAME
00:38:31.220 --> 00:38:34.000
ROARING UP OUT OF MY SOUL, I
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.130
TOOK THAT BOOK AND I THREW IT
00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:38.040
ACROSS THE ROOM, AND I SAID OUT
00:38:38.040 --> 00:38:39.290
LOUD, HOME BY MYSELF, "I WILL
00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:40.290
NOT READ THIS," AND THE HOLY
00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:43.030
SPIRIT, SO SWEETLY, SAID, "IT'S
00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:44.140
TIME."
00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:46.180
SO HE KNOWS THE RIGHT TIME
00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:50.250
AND THE RIGHT WAY, AND SO
00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:54.010
WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU DO WANNA GET
00:38:54.010 --> 00:38:55.180
WELL, YOU NEED TO FIRST ASK THE
00:38:55.180 --> 00:38:57.240
HOLY SPIRIT TO BEGIN TO GUIDE
00:38:57.240 --> 00:38:59.110
YOU DOWN THE PATH THAT HE HAS
00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:01.270
FOR YOU.
00:39:01.270 --> 00:39:03.100
LIKE I SAID, MAYBE FOR SOME
00:39:03.100 --> 00:39:04.180
PEOPLE, THAT'S GOIN' AND TALKIN'
00:39:04.180 --> 00:39:06.100
TO YOUR PASTOR.
00:39:06.100 --> 00:39:07.060
MAYBE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT'S
00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:08.200
JOINING A GROUP AT YOUR CHURCH
00:39:09.180 --> 00:39:12.180
THAT DEALS WITH THESE KINDS OF
00:39:12.180 --> 00:39:14.040
ISSUES.
00:39:14.040 --> 00:39:15.020
MAYBE IT'S GOING FOR SOME
00:39:15.020 --> 00:39:16.120
PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING.
00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:18.040
FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T HAVE
00:39:18.040 --> 00:39:20.060
THE MONEY FOR PROFESSIONAL
00:39:20.060 --> 00:39:21.130
COUNSELING, BUT, I MEAN,
00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:23.140
I RECEIVED MY HEALING FROM
00:39:23.140 --> 00:39:24.230
THE HOLY SPIRIT.
00:39:24.230 --> 00:39:27.050
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M
00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:28.050
AGAINST PSYCHOLOGY.
00:39:28.050 --> 00:39:29.140
I THINK IT CAN BE VERY GOOD, BUT
00:39:29.140 --> 00:39:31.030
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY.
00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:34.090
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE
00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:35.140
THAT TO GET IT BECAUSE WHAT IS
00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:37.210
ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE
00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:38.210
HOLY SPIRIT?
00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:39.110
HE IS THE COUNSELOR.
00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:41.210
SO HE CAN SHOW US WHAT TO DO,
00:39:41.210 --> 00:39:44.190
AND I CAN LITERALLY SAY THAT,
00:39:44.190 --> 00:39:45.270
WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT TOOK OVER
00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:49.090
MY CASE, HE JUST BEGAN TO SHOW
00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:50.220
ME, STEP-BY-STEP.
00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:54.100
YOU KNOW, AND THE MIND WAS A BIG
00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:58.020
THUS I WROTE "BATTLEFIELD OF
00:40:00.070 --> 00:40:00.270
THE MIND," WHICH IS STILL
00:40:00.270 --> 00:40:01.250
PROBABLY OUR NUMBER ONE BOOK,
00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:02.210
AND MY THINKING WAS SO MESSED
00:40:02.210 --> 00:40:05.040
UP.
00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:06.270
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST-- I LET THE
00:40:07.140 --> 00:40:10.140
DEVIL LIE TO ME FOR YEARS AND
00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:12.110
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE WAS DOING
00:40:12.110 --> 00:40:13.110
IT, SO I LEARNED THAT I HAD TO
00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:15.260
COMPARE MY THINKING TO WHAT
00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:17.210
GOD'S WORD SAID.
00:40:17.210 --> 00:40:18.270
YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I HEAD "NOBODY
00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:20.020
LOVES YOU AND NOBODY EVER WILL,"
00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:22.120
I HAD TO SAY, "NO, THAT'S NOT
00:40:22.170 --> 00:40:25.170
TRUE BECAUSE GOD LOVES ME, AND
00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:26.210
HE ALWAYS WILL."
00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:28.070
AND SO I CAN'T GIVE,
00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:31.130
I CAN'T SAY JUST LIKE
00:40:31.130 --> 00:40:32.250
"STEP 1 THROUGH 20" FOR
00:40:32.250 --> 00:40:35.060
EVERYBODY BECAUSE GOD'S GONNA DO
00:40:35.080 --> 00:40:38.080
IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IN
00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:39.230
READING A BOOK LIKE THIS, I
00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:41.210
THINK THIS IS LIKE A MANUAL FOR
00:40:41.210 --> 00:40:43.240
THE HEALING OF THE SOUL.
00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:49.190
ONE CHAPTER IN HERE IS THE
00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:50.220
WOUNDS OF SIN.
00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:52.180
SEE, SOME PEOPLE ARE WATCHING
00:40:52.180 --> 00:40:54.000
TODAY, AND YOU'RE NOT HURTING.
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.270
YOU DON'T HAVE A WOUNDED SOUL
00:40:55.270 --> 00:40:57.100
BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING
00:40:57.100 --> 00:40:58.070
TO YOU.
00:40:58.070 --> 00:40:59.020
YOU HAVE A WOUNDED SOUL BECAUSE
00:40:59.020 --> 00:41:01.290
OF SOMETHING YOU DID, AND SO
00:41:03.020 --> 00:41:06.020
THAT PERSON THEN NEEDS TO
00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:09.170
REALIZE THAT THERE'S NO SIN
00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:11.000
THEY'VE COMMITTED THAT CANNOT BE
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:11.260
FORGIVEN.
00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:14.230
THERE'S NOTHING IN THEIR PAST
00:41:14.230 --> 00:41:16.070
THAT GOD CANNOT HEAL AND
00:41:16.070 --> 00:41:17.250
REDEEM-- AND REDEEM.
00:41:19.130 --> 00:41:22.130
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:23.200
GOD WILL TAKE THE MOST AWFUL
00:41:23.240 --> 00:41:26.240
THING WE DID, AND IF WE LET HIM,
00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:28.130
ACTUALLY, TURN IT AROUND AND
00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:30.010
WORK IT OUT FOR OUR GOOD.
00:41:30.270 --> 00:41:33.270
SO ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
00:41:33.270 --> 00:41:36.030
TO ME IN MY CHILDHOOD, I KNOW
00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:37.110
THIS SOUNDS DUMB, BUT I CAN'T
00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:41.040
EVEN SAY NOW THAT I'M SORRY THAT
00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:42.280
THEY HAPPENED.
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.160
I USED TO SAY, "WELL, IF ONLY
00:41:45.160 --> 00:41:46.070
THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."
00:41:46.070 --> 00:41:47.110
IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, I
00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:49.110
WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON THAT I AM
00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:51.110
TODAY, AND I WOULDN'T KNOW SOME
00:41:51.270 --> 00:41:54.270
OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW.
00:41:54.270 --> 00:41:56.220
I WENT THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT
00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:58.000
SITUATION AT A CHURCH THAT I
00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.120
WORKED AT ONE TIME.
00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:01.280
SO MANY PAINFUL EXPERIENCES, BUT
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.210
I LEARNED MORE OUT OF THAT ABOUT
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.000
LEADERSHIP THAN I COULD EVEN
00:42:12.120 --> 00:42:15.120
BEGIN TO TELL YOU BECAUSE I
00:42:15.120 --> 00:42:16.160
DIDN'T LEARN WHAT TO DO, BUT I
00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:17.270
SURE LEARNED WHAT NOT TO DO.
00:42:17.270 --> 00:42:19.160
- MATT: THERE YOU GO.
00:42:19.160 --> 00:42:20.060
[LAUGHTER]
00:42:20.060 --> 00:42:21.230
YOU SAID, "I THOUGHT THAT, WHEN
00:42:21.230 --> 00:42:24.070
I GOT AWAY FROM MY PARENTS--"
00:42:24.070 --> 00:42:26.070
AND YOUR-- SPECIFICALLY YOUR
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.030
FATHER-- "THAT I DIDN'T NOW HAVE
00:42:28.030 --> 00:42:30.110
ANY PROBLEM," BUT YOU HAD
00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.250
CARRIED IT IN YOUR SOUL.
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.280
- JOYCE: RIGHT.
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.030
- MATT: SO YOU DIDN'T EVEN
00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:38.230
REALIZE THAT, SO THIS BOOK AND
00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:40.190
THE HEALING OF YOUR SOUL IS
00:42:40.190 --> 00:42:42.130
SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE MOST--
00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:43.290
LET ME JUST SAY, IF YOU HAD
00:42:43.290 --> 00:42:45.260
WRITTEN THE ONE, YOU KNOW.
00:42:45.260 --> 00:42:47.150
"HEALING THE SOUL OF A MAN," YOU
00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:49.000
KNOW WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE THE
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.250
FIRST THING IS, LOGISTICALLY, IF
00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:52.140
YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM,
00:42:52.140 --> 00:42:54.100
IT'S OVER.
00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.120
- JOYCE: YEAH.
00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:56.270
- MATT: BUT, I MEAN, BECAUSE
00:42:56.270 --> 00:42:58.150
THAT'S JUST THE WAY-- YOU KNOW,
00:42:58.150 --> 00:43:00.030
I MEAN, WE FIX IT, RIGHT?
00:43:00.030 --> 00:43:00.220
YOU GET ON THE-- YOU MOVE ACROSS
00:43:00.220 --> 00:43:01.150
COUNTRY IF IT WAS A BAD
00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.220
RELATIONSHIP OR-- SEE, IN MY
00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:04.090
MIND, THAT WOULD'VE FIXED IT
00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:06.110
TOTALLY TOO, ALSO.
00:43:06.110 --> 00:43:07.210
- JOYCE: RIGHT.
00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:09.020
- MATT: I MEAN, MAYBE WE THINK
00:43:09.020 --> 00:43:10.090
SIMILARLY, BUT, ULTIMATELY, THAT
00:43:10.090 --> 00:43:11.260
IS-- THAT'S WHY THIS BOOK EXISTS
00:43:12.220 --> 00:43:15.220
BECAUSE YOU DRUG EVERYTHING IN
00:43:15.220 --> 00:43:18.020
YOUR SOUL AND DIDN'T REALIZE IT.
00:43:18.020 --> 00:43:19.230
- JOYCE: RIGHT.
00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:20.080
- MATT: OKAY.
00:43:20.080 --> 00:43:20.210
GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU DON'T GET
00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:21.120
AWAY FROM THE THING.
00:43:21.120 --> 00:43:22.100
THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS TO FIX IT.
00:43:22.100 --> 00:43:23.170
- JOYCE: YOU JUST TAKE IT WITH
00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:24.090
YOU.
00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:25.010
- MATT: YEAH.
00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:25.150
- JOYCE: YOU TAKE IT WITH YOU.
00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:26.240
- MATT: YOU CARRY IT WITH YOU
00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:27.150
IN YOUR SOUL.
00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:27.280
- JOYCE: BY THE WAY, I'VE TOLD
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.200
MEN, "ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT
00:43:28.200 --> 00:43:29.190
A PIECE OF TAPE OVER THE W-O,
00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:30.260
AND I ADMIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT
00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.120
OF A GIRLY COVER FOR A GUY, BUT
00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:35.240
IF YOU CAN HANDLE A BOOK WITH A
00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:37.200
ROSE ON IT, I MEAN, THE SAME
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:39.010
THING WORKS FOR MEN.
00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:41.140
- LAURIE: ABSOLUTELY.
00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:42.010
- MATT: ABSOLUTELY.
00:43:42.010 --> 00:43:45.010
- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, THERE ARE
00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:45.250
MORE WOMEN THAT ARE WOUNDED IN
00:43:45.250 --> 00:43:46.170
THEIR SOUL THAN MEN BECAUSE--
00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:47.160
- MATT: ABOUT LIKE THAT?
00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:49.110
- JOYCE: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
00:43:49.110 --> 00:43:50.020
SEE, "HEALING THE SOUL OF A
00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:50.220
MAN."
00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:51.070
- MATT: THERE YOU GO, GOT IT.
00:43:51.070 --> 00:43:52.060
- JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, IF
00:43:52.060 --> 00:43:52.290
YOU'RE REAL SECURE, YOU COULD
00:43:52.290 --> 00:43:53.200
HAVE A BOOK WITH A PINK ROSE ON
00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:54.200
IT, AND IT WOULDN'T BOTHER YOU.
00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:56.030
- MATT: OR YOU COULD TAKE IT
00:43:56.030 --> 00:43:56.270
OFF AND HAVE A PURPLE BOOK.
00:43:56.270 --> 00:43:57.240
- JOYCE: YEAH, RIGHT, THAT'S
00:43:57.240 --> 00:43:58.150
TRUE.
00:43:58.150 --> 00:43:58.250
- LAURIE: I LOVE THE CHAPTER
00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:01.090
ABOUT BEING YOUR OWN BEST ALLY
00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.240
'CAUSE SO MANY OF US--
00:44:02.240 --> 00:44:04.210
- JOYCE: YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY
00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:05.170
WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT.
00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:06.120
- LAURIE: OKAY, LET'S DO THAT
00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:07.030
ONE.
00:44:07.030 --> 00:44:08.060
I LOVE THAT.
00:44:08.060 --> 00:44:09.000
- JOYCE: YOU GOTTA BE YOUR OWN
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:09.220
FRIEND.
00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:10.020
- LAURIE: YEAH.
00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:10.160
- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BE A FRIEND
00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:11.160
TO YOURSELF, AND DO THINGS FOR
00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:13.050
YOURSELF.
00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:14.160
YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT DAVID SAID
00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.040
HE ENCOURAGED HIMSELF IN THE
00:44:16.040 --> 00:44:17.150
LORD.
00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:18.200
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WAITIN'
00:44:18.200 --> 00:44:20.080
FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TELL US
00:44:20.080 --> 00:44:21.030
WE'RE OKAY.
00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:21.250
WELL, YOU CAN GET THAT FROM GOD
00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:24.140
IF YOU WILL LEARN TO BELIEVE--
00:44:24.140 --> 00:44:26.140
IF YOU'LL JUST LEARN TO BELIEVE
00:44:26.140 --> 00:44:28.100
WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT YOU, YOU
00:44:28.100 --> 00:44:30.150
KNOW, LIKE, "I LIKE MYSELF," AND
00:44:30.190 --> 00:44:33.190
I KNOW THAT, UNDER NORMAL
00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:35.000
CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT WOULD SOUND
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.110
REALLY HAUGHTY AND LIKE I WAS
00:44:36.110 --> 00:44:38.040
JUST FULL OF MYSELF, BUT JESUS
00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:39.270
DIED FOR US, AND, REALLY, I
00:44:39.270 --> 00:44:42.210
THINK IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SLAP IN
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
HIS FACE TO HATE YOURSELF OR BE
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.110
AGAINST YOURSELF.
00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:51.100
I MEAN, THE BIBLE SAYS YOU DON'T
00:44:51.100 --> 00:44:52.150
BELONG TO YOURSELF.
00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:54.110
YOU WERE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE,
00:44:54.110 --> 00:44:55.260
AND THE PRICE THAT WE WERE
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:57.150
PURCHASED WITH WAS THE BLOOD OF
00:44:57.150 --> 00:44:58.240
JESUS AND ALL THE PAIN AND
00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:00.060
SUFFERING THAT HE WENT THROUGH,
00:45:00.060 --> 00:45:01.110
AND I LIKE TO BE-- I LIKE TO
00:45:01.110 --> 00:45:03.160
SPEND TIME ALONE.
00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:04.280
I LIKE TO SPEND TIME WITH
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.250
MYSELF; AND A LOT OF PEOPLE,
00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:09.070
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE NOISE GOIN'
00:45:09.070 --> 00:45:10.180
ON AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME, OR
00:45:10.180 --> 00:45:11.190
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A TV ON.
00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:13.230
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A BUNCH OF
00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:15.010
PEOPLE AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME,
00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:15.280
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST, YOU
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.080
KNOW, SOCIAL BUTTERFLIES.
00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:20.040
THAT'S PART OF THEIR
00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:20.270
PERSONALITY, BUT A LOT OF TIMES,
00:45:20.270 --> 00:45:22.220
PEOPLE STAY TOO BUSY TO HAVE TO
00:45:22.220 --> 00:45:25.000
DEAL WITH THEMSELVES.
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:25.210
- MATT: WOW.
00:45:25.210 --> 00:45:26.100
- JOYCE: THEY JUST GO FROM
00:45:26.100 --> 00:45:27.210
THING TO THING TO THING SO THEY
00:45:27.210 --> 00:45:28.260
DON'T HAVE TO REALLY FACE
00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.180
THEMSELVES, BUT YOU NEED TO
00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:32.080
BECOME A FRIEND TO YOURSELF AND
00:45:32.080 --> 00:45:34.150
DON'T ALWAYS BE WAITING FOR
00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:36.130
SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO SOMETHING
00:45:36.130 --> 00:45:37.090
FOR YOU.
00:45:37.090 --> 00:45:38.210
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S
00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:40.010
DOING SOMETHING FOR YOU, THEN GO
00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:41.130
DO SOMETHIN' FOR YOURSELF, YOU
00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:42.100
KNOW?
00:45:42.100 --> 00:45:44.070
DO SOMETHING THAT-- I JUST THINK
00:45:44.070 --> 00:45:46.280
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.190
KNOW, MOST PEOPLE REALLY DON'T
00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:51.010
LIKE THEMSELVES, I MEAN, IF YOU
00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:53.030
GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, AND I
00:45:53.030 --> 00:45:54.090
FOUND OUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE
00:45:54.090 --> 00:45:56.080
THINGS THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOWED ME
00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:57.200
IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T-- I
00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:59.060
COULDN'T-- I WAS A VERY
00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:02.180
UNMERCIFUL PERSON, VERY
00:46:02.180 --> 00:46:04.230
LEGALISTIC, AND, I MEAN, I
00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.200
WOULD'VE MADE A GREAT PHARISEE.
00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:08.060
I MEAN, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:09.180
YOU HAD TO DO IT MY WAY, MY
00:46:09.180 --> 00:46:11.070
TIME, AND I WASN'T GIVING IN,
00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:13.170
AND WHEN I STARTED REALLY
00:46:13.170 --> 00:46:15.160
PRAYING ABOUT "GOD, I WANNA BE
00:46:15.160 --> 00:46:16.210
MERCIFUL TO PEOPLE, BUT I JUST
00:46:16.210 --> 00:46:18.180
DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO," AND
00:46:18.180 --> 00:46:19.260
WHAT HE SHOWED ME IS "WELL, YOU
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.120
DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECEIVE MERCY,
00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:25.010
AND YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY WHAT YOU
00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:25.240
DON'T HAVE."
00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:27.180
THAT'S BEEN LIKE A BIG THING
00:46:27.180 --> 00:46:28.170
FOR ME WITH GOD IS YOU CANNOT
00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:29.240
GIVE AWAY WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:31.010
AND HE WILL EQUIP US TO DO
00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:33.230
EVERYTHING HE WANTS US TO DO,
00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:36.210
BUT WE GET IT FROM HIM.
00:46:38.020 --> 00:46:41.020
IT'S LIKE, IF WE RECEIVE IT FROM
00:46:41.020 --> 00:46:41.250
HIM, THEN WE'VE GOT IT, AND WE
00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:44.050
CAN THEN RELEASE IT, AND HE GETS
00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:47.160
THE CREDIT; WE DON'T.
00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:49.210
- MATT: OUR TIME TOGETHER WITH
00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:50.220
JOYCE MEYER, "HEALING THE SOUL
00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:52.230
OF A WOMAN," AND IF YOU DO THIS
00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:55.260
RIGHT HERE, IT'S "HEALING THE
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.050
SOUL OF A MAN"--
00:46:58.050 --> 00:46:58.240
[LAUGHTER]
00:46:58.240 --> 00:47:00.170
IS KIND OF WINDING DOWN.
00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:01.220
WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES
00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:03.130
LEFT IN THIS BROADCAST, AND WHAT
00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:05.020
I WOULD LOVE TO DO, JOYCE, IF
00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:08.000
YOU WOULD, JUST TWO THINGS: HOW
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.190
DO WE, KIND OF, PUT A NICE
00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:13.240
LITTLE CONCLUSION ON THIS AND
00:47:13.240 --> 00:47:15.080
PRAY FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY
00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:17.170
WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT'S
00:47:17.170 --> 00:47:20.120
RIGHT FOR THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:21.190
OF THAT TIMING THING?
00:47:21.190 --> 00:47:23.080
I MEAN, YOU'VE REALLY DRILLED
00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:26.160
THAT DOWN THAT THERE IS A RHYTHM
00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:28.290
TO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND
00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:30.110
THAT ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL,
00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:32.210
AND SO JUST, KIND OF, PUT A
00:47:32.210 --> 00:47:35.090
LITTLE BIT OF A WRAP-UP ON THIS,
00:47:35.090 --> 00:47:37.150
SO A BIT OF A PRAYER, AND THEN,
00:47:37.150 --> 00:47:40.110
KIND OF, GET YOUR FINAL
00:47:40.110 --> 00:47:42.000
- JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO REALIZE
00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:45.010
THAT WHATEVER PATH GOD TAKES YOU
00:47:45.140 --> 00:47:48.140
DOWN-- AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT
00:47:48.140 --> 00:47:50.070
THAT'S GONNA BE.
00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:51.280
I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE'S
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.230
FAITHFUL, AND HE WILL NOT LET
00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:53.220
IF YOU ASK GOD TO HELP YOU IN
00:47:57.090 --> 00:47:58.150
THIS AND YOU'RE WILLING TO DO
00:47:58.150 --> 00:48:01.010
WHAT HE SHOWS YOU TO DO, THEN
00:48:01.010 --> 00:48:03.270
YOU WILL MAKE PROGRESS A LITTLE
00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:04.260
BIT AT A TIME.
00:48:05.160 --> 00:48:08.160
WHY "A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME"?
00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:09.290
I DON'T KNOW, BUT GOD DOESN'T
00:48:09.290 --> 00:48:11.280
GET IN A BIG HURRY ABOUT THINGS.
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.070
HE TAKES HIS GOOD OLE TIME ABOUT
00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:14.140
ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES,
00:48:14.140 --> 00:48:16.020
BUT WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING, HE
00:48:16.020 --> 00:48:17.200
DOES IT RIGHT.
00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:20.120
AND SO, GOING INTO THIS, YOU
00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.140
HAVE TO MAKE YOUR MIND UP:
00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:25.180
"THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A QUICK
00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:27.160
FIX, OVERNIGHT, DRIVE-THROUGH
00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:29.250
HEALING."
00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:32.220
AND IF YOUR SOUL IS RIGHT,
00:48:32.220 --> 00:48:34.180
IF YOUR MIND-- IF YOU CAN
00:48:34.180 --> 00:48:35.230
THINK PROPERLY ACCORDING TO THE
00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:37.010
WORD, IF YOU CAN OWN YOUR
00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:39.230
EMOTIONS INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.000
ON YOU, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:43.230
FEELINGS, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS
00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:45.090
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS ACT ON
00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:46.010
EVERY FEELING THAT YOU HAVE, AND
00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:47.140
IF YOU CAN MAKE WILLFUL
00:48:47.140 --> 00:48:49.110
DECISIONS ACCORDING TO THE WORD
00:48:49.110 --> 00:48:51.250
OF GOD, NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING
00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:52.290
ON OUTSIDE IN YOUR LIFE, YOU MAY
00:48:52.290 --> 00:48:55.230
NEED MONEY, YOU MAY WANNA BE
00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:57.290
MARRIED AND YOU'RE NOT MARRIED,
00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:59.240
YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE YOU'RE
00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:02.030
DEALING WITH THAT ARE DIFFICULT
00:49:02.030 --> 00:49:03.210
TO DEAL WITH, YOU MIGHT HAVE A
00:49:03.210 --> 00:49:05.100
TOUGH JOB, YOU COULD EVEN BE IN
00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:06.270
PRISON, BUT IF YOU'RE RIGHT
00:49:06.270 --> 00:49:08.200
INSIDE, THEN YOU CAN BE HAPPY NO
00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:11.130
MATTER WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND
00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:13.030
YOU BECAUSE YOUR REAL LIFE IS IN
00:49:13.030 --> 00:49:15.110
YOU.
00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:17.070
IT'S NOT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES.
00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:20.120
YOUR REAL LIFE IS IN YOU.
00:49:20.120 --> 00:49:21.250
SO PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE GOD A
00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:23.090
CHANCE.
00:49:23.090 --> 00:49:24.200
LET'S PRAY.
00:49:24.200 --> 00:49:26.240
FATHER, I PRAY IN JESUS' NAME
00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:27.270
THAT EVERYBODY WATCHING WHO HAS
00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:30.180
A WOUNDED SOUL WILL LET YOU IN,
00:49:30.180 --> 00:49:32.240
THAT THEY WON'T HOLD ANY DOORS
00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:35.170
CLOSED, NO SECRET PLACES
00:49:35.230 --> 00:49:38.230
ANYMORE, THAT THEY WILL LET YOU
00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:40.090
IN, AND THAT THOSE WHO HAVE NOT
00:49:40.100 --> 00:49:43.100
RECEIVED YOU AS SAVIOR WILL
00:49:43.100 --> 00:49:45.280
CALL, I'M SURE, THE NUMBER
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.020
THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.090
PRAY WITH SOMEBODY OR PRAY
00:49:49.090 --> 00:49:52.080
THEMSELVES, REPENT OF THEIR SINS
00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:54.080
AND ASK YOU INTO THEIR HEART,
00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.250
AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BEGIN
00:49:55.250 --> 00:49:57.250
A HEALING IN THEM THAT WOULD
00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:01.100
JUST COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONIZE
00:50:01.100 --> 00:50:03.290
THEIR LIFE, AND I PRAY FOR THEM
00:50:03.290 --> 00:50:05.110
THAT THEY WON'T GIVE UP UNTIL
00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:07.280
IT'S COMPLETELY DONE, IN JESUS'
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.240
NAME, AMEN.
00:50:08.240 --> 00:50:11.160
- MATT: AMEN.
00:50:11.160 --> 00:50:12.040
BEAUTIFUL.
00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:13.000
"HEALING THE SOUL OF A WOMAN" IS
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.220
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AND
00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:16.160
UNPACKING, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU
00:50:17.060 --> 00:50:20.060
A QUESTION AND ANSWER IT--
00:50:20.060 --> 00:50:21.190
[LAUGHTER]
00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:25.210
-- IN CASE WE EVEN HAVE TO EDIT
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.130
SOMETHIN' ELSE 'CAUSE I WANNA
00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:27.260
ASK IT 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WHAT
00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:29.180
THE TAKEAWAY FOR ME IS THAT THE
00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:33.170
HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR HEALING IS,
00:50:33.170 --> 00:50:35.100
FIRST OF ALL, WORK.
00:50:35.100 --> 00:50:38.080
WE ALWAYS WANT GOD TO DO
00:50:38.080 --> 00:50:39.110
SOMETHING FOR US OR TO US, AND
00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:41.170
WE DON'T WANNA JUST DO THE HARD
00:50:41.170 --> 00:50:43.230
WORK AND GET FIXED.
00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:45.040
SO I WAS WATCHING SOMETHING NOT
00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.240
LONG AGO, AND I HEARD THIS TERM
00:50:47.240 --> 00:50:50.240
"SAME-DAY SEED," WHICH SEEMED TO
00:50:50.240 --> 00:50:52.260
BE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SHORTCUT
00:50:53.180 --> 00:50:56.180
SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE
00:50:56.180 --> 00:50:58.240
NOW, AND THERE'S THIS SAME-DAY
00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:00.110
SEED AND-- OKAY.
00:51:00.110 --> 00:51:01.190
SO THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE
00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:05.030
TALKING ABOUT.
00:51:05.030 --> 00:51:07.270
- JOYCE: AND I DON'T THINK
00:51:07.270 --> 00:51:09.050
THAT'S REALITY.
00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:10.000
- LAURIE: IT IS NOT.
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:10.170
- MATT: OKAY.
00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:11.080
- JOYCE: THOSE KIND OF
00:51:11.080 --> 00:51:11.260
STATEMENTS ACTUALLY REALLY
00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:13.060
AGGRAVATE ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE
00:51:13.060 --> 00:51:14.280
TELLING SOMEBODY, WHEN THEY
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.230
RECEIVE CHRIST, THAT THAT'S THE
00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:17.200
END OF ALL THEIR PROBLEMS.
00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:18.090
THAT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT
00:51:18.090 --> 00:51:20.050
TRUE.
00:51:20.050 --> 00:51:20.250
I TELL PEOPLE THERE'S NO
00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:22.120
GUARANTEE YOU WON'T HAVE
00:51:22.120 --> 00:51:23.050
PROBLEMS, BUT IF YOU HAVE JESUS,
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YOU NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM
00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:25.290
ALONE.
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- MATT: THERE YOU GO.
00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:27.060
- JOYCE: YOU ALREADY GOT
00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:28.000
SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU, AND YOUR
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.280
WORST DAY WITH HIM WILL BE
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.100
BETTER THAN YOUR BEST DAY EVER
00:51:32.100 --> 00:51:33.070
WAS WITHOUT HIM.
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AND ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IS
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.000
CALLED "THE PAINLESS PATH," AND
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WE ALL LOOK FOR THAT, BUT THERE
00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:41.070
IS NO SUCH THING, YOU KNOW?
00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:43.180
JESUS WALKED A PATH OF PAIN,
00:51:43.180 --> 00:51:45.020
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BROAD
00:51:45.020 --> 00:51:46.080
PATH AND A NARROW PATH, AND IF
00:51:46.080 --> 00:51:47.200
YOU WANNA LIVE ON THE BROAD PATH
00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:49.120
WHICH ENDS IN DESTRUCTION, YOU
00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:50.220
CAN KIND OF FIND A WAY TO NUMB
00:51:50.220 --> 00:51:53.160
YOUR PAIN, OR YOU CAN DRUG IT
00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:56.140
AWAY OR ALCOHOL IT AWAY OR SEX
00:51:56.140 --> 00:51:58.210
IT AWAY OR WHATEVER YOU THINK
00:51:58.210 --> 00:52:00.100
YOU DO TO END IT, BUT IT'S STILL
00:52:00.100 --> 00:52:02.140
GONNA BE THERE TO HAUNT YOU WHEN
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YOU'RE BY YOURSELF, AND THE
00:52:04.170 --> 00:52:07.170
THING IS GOD WILL DO THIS IN
00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:11.010
YOUR LIFE, BUT IT IS WORK, AND
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ONE SCRIPTURE MAKES THAT VERY
00:52:12.240 --> 00:52:15.070
CLEAR: PHILIPPIANS 2:12, "WORK
00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:17.050
OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR
00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:20.260
AND TREMBLING, NOT IN YOUR OWN
00:52:20.260 --> 00:52:22.230
STRENGTH, FOR IT IS GOD WHO IS
00:52:22.230 --> 00:52:24.190
ALL THE WHILE AT WORK IN YOU."
00:52:24.190 --> 00:52:26.230
SO IT DOESN'T SAY, "WORK FOR
00:52:26.230 --> 00:52:28.050
YOUR SALVATION."
00:52:28.050 --> 00:52:30.080
THAT'S A FREE GIFT.
00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:31.140
SO GOD DOWNLOADS AT OUR
00:52:31.140 --> 00:52:32.230
SALVATION EVERYTHING INTO OUR
00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:34.290
SPIRIT THAT WE NEED TO LIVE AN
00:52:34.290 --> 00:52:37.270
AMAZING LIFE, BUT IT COMES IN
00:52:37.270 --> 00:52:39.090
SEED FORM.
00:52:39.090 --> 00:52:40.050
JESUS IS CALLED "THE SEED--"
00:52:40.270 --> 00:52:43.270
CAPITAL S-- "OF GOD."
00:52:44.110 --> 00:52:47.110
AND SO IT'S LIKE YOU BECOME
00:52:47.110 --> 00:52:49.280
PREGNANT WITH GODLINESS WHEN
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.290
YOU'RE BORN AGAIN,
00:52:50.290 --> 00:52:52.090
BUT YOU HAVE TO CARRY THOSE
00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:56.100
SEEDS.
00:52:56.100 --> 00:52:57.100
YOU WATER THEM WITH THE WORD,
00:52:57.100 --> 00:52:58.100
YOU LET GOD GET THE WEEDS OUT OF
00:52:58.100 --> 00:52:59.260
YOUR LIFE, AND WE BECOME LIKE
00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:01.190
HIS GARDEN, AND HE'S THE CHIEF
00:53:01.190 --> 00:53:03.290
GARDENER, AND SO YOU LET HIM DO
00:53:03.290 --> 00:53:06.210
THAT, AND YOU WORK THAT OUT.
00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:09.210
YOU LET IT BE WORKED FROM IN
00:53:09.210 --> 00:53:12.120
YOU, OUT THROUGH YOUR SOUL, AND
00:53:12.120 --> 00:53:14.090
THEN, EVENTUALLY, THINGS LIKE
00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:17.150
THIS LIKE WE'RE DOIN' RIGHT NOW,
00:53:17.150 --> 00:53:19.280
NOW YOU HAVE A CHANGED LIFE, AND
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.290
PEOPLE SEE THAT, AND THEY'RE
00:53:21.290 --> 00:53:23.180
LIKE, "WELL, IT HAS TO BE GOD."
00:53:23.180 --> 00:53:26.000
- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:26.270
- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE
00:53:26.270 --> 00:53:27.200
GOD.
00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:27.280
- MATT: ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.260
- LAURIE: IT'S GONNA HELP
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.150
EVERYBODY.
00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:29.260
- MATT: "SAME-DAY SEED" WOULD
00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:31.010
BE REACHIN' IN THE GROUND,
00:53:31.010 --> 00:53:31.200
PULLIN' THE SAME SEED BACK OUT.
00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:32.190
- JOYCE: THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY
00:53:32.190 --> 00:53:33.110
SENSE.
00:53:33.110 --> 00:53:33.220
- MATT: YEAH, YEAH, IT DOESN'T
00:53:33.220 --> 00:53:34.160
MAKE ANY SENSE.
00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:36.080
I GOT IT.
00:53:36.080 --> 00:53:36.220
"HEALING FOR THE SOUL OF A
00:53:36.220 --> 00:53:37.180
WOMAN," AND "HEALING THE SOUL OF
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:40.260
A MAN" IS THE BOOK, AND WE'VE
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:43.020
BEEN UNPACKING IT WITH "NEW
00:53:43.020 --> 00:53:44.070
YORK TIMES" NUMBER ONE
00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:46.240
BEST-SELLING AUTHOR JOYCE MEYER.
00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.060
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
00:53:48.060 --> 00:53:50.140
THANK YOU, JOYCE.
00:53:50.140 --> 00:53:51.240
- JOYCE: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:52.160
HAVING ME.
00:53:52.160 --> 00:53:53.040
- MATT: AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL
00:53:53.040 --> 00:53:54.050
PLACE, THIS ATLANTIC OCEAN OVER
00:53:54.050 --> 00:53:54.270
HERE.
00:53:54.270 --> 00:53:55.120
WE'LL SEE YA NEXT TIME.
00:53:55.120 --> 00:53:56.090
BYE-BYE.
00:53:56.090 --> 00:53:56.290

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