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Praise | Joyce Meyer | October 1, 2020

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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT,
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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT,ON "PRAISE"
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  • ON "PRAISE"FROM DALLAS:
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  • FROM DALLAS:NEW YORK TIMES
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  • NEW YORK TIMESBESTSELLING AUTHOR
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  • BESTSELLING AUTHORAND BIBLE TEACHER
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  • AND BIBLE TEACHERJOYCE MEYER.
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  • JOYCE MEYER.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]AND, NOW, MATT AND LAURIE
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  • AND, NOW, MATT AND LAURIECROUCH.
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  • CROUCH.- MATT CROUCH: SO, WE HAVE TO
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  • - MATT CROUCH: SO, WE HAVE TOPRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.
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  • PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.I HAVE TO DO IT AFRAID.
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  • I HAVE TO DO IT AFRAID.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]I'M A LITTLE AFRAID, RIGHT NOW,
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  • I'M A LITTLE AFRAID, RIGHT NOW,BECAUSE WHEN JOYCE AND LAURIE
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  • BECAUSE WHEN JOYCE AND LAURIEGET TOGETHER, OFTENTIMES, I
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  • GET TOGETHER, OFTENTIMES, IFADE INTO THE BACKGROUND.
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  • FADE INTO THE BACKGROUND.AND THAT'S OKAY.
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  • AND THAT'S OKAY."DO IT AFRAID"...
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  • "DO IT AFRAID"...[JOYCE CHUCKLING]
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  • [JOYCE CHUCKLING]...IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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  • ...IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.JOYCE, THIS IS YOUR NEW--
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  • JOYCE, THIS IS YOUR NEW--BRAND-NEW BOOK.
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  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.IT IS THEMATICALLY, THOUGH,
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  • IT IS THEMATICALLY, THOUGH,A PART OF KIND OF, UH, SOME
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  • A PART OF KIND OF, UH, SOMEOF YOUR HIGHEST-SELLING
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  • OF YOUR HIGHEST-SELLINGBOOKS, OR THE MOST
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  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS A
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  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS ABRAND-NEW BOOK.
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  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.WE'RE IN 2020.
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  • WE'RE IN 2020.IF THE PANDEMIC AND RACIAL
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  • IF THE PANDEMIC AND RACIALTENSIONS AND MURDER
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  • TENSIONS AND MURDERHORNETS AND DUST CLOUDS FROM
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  • HORNETS AND DUST CLOUDS FROMTHE SAHARA DESERT AREN'T
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  • THE SAHARA DESERT AREN'TENOUGH...
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  • ENOUGH...[LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGHING]
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  • [LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGHING]...THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS,
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  • ...THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS,IF YOU WANT TO BE AFRAID.
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  • IF YOU WANT TO BE AFRAID.- JOYCE MEYER: OH, YEAH.
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  • - JOYCE MEYER: OH, YEAH.- MATT: LOT TO BE AFRAID
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  • - MATT: LOT TO BE AFRAIDABOUT.
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  • ABOUT.SO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO START
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  • SO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO STARTOPENING THIS DOOR?
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  • OPENING THIS DOOR?BECAUSE, THIS IS
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  • BECAUSE, THIS ISSOMETHING THAT IS--
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  • - JOYCE: OF COURSE, I HAD NO
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  • - JOYCE: OF COURSE, I HAD NOIDEA WHEN I WROTE THE BOOK...
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  • IDEA WHEN I WROTE THE BOOK...- MATT: RIGHT.
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  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...THAT IT WOULD BE
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  • - JOYCE: ...THAT IT WOULD BECOMING OUT...AT THIS PARTICULAR
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  • COMING OUT...AT THIS PARTICULARTIME.
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  • TIME.ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW GOD KNOWS
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  • ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW GOD KNOWSSO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO?
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  • SO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO?- LAURIE: I KNOW.
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  • - LAURIE: I KNOW.- MATT: ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
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  • - MATT: ISN'T THAT AMAZING?- JOYCE: THIS IS DIFFERENT.
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  • - JOYCE: THIS IS DIFFERENT."DO IT AFRAID" IS DIFFERENT.
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  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS DIFFERENT.AND I'VE BEEN TEACHING ON THIS
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  • BUT, PEOPLE THINK, WHEN THE
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  • BUT, PEOPLE THINK, WHEN THEBIBLE SAYS "FEAR NOT," THAT
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  • BIBLE SAYS "FEAR NOT," THATTHEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL
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  • THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FEELFEAR.
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  • FEAR.AND SO, I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS
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  • AND SO, I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS-- WASTED A LOT OF YEARS --
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  • -- WASTED A LOT OF YEARS --PRAYING FOR GOD TO MAKE THE
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  • "GOD, TAKE AWAY THIS FEAR."
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  • "GOD, TAKE AWAY THIS FEAR."BUT...IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.
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  • BUT...IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.[MATT CHUCKLES]
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  • [MATT CHUCKLES]YOU MAY OVERCOME IT IN ONE
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  • YOU MAY OVERCOME IT IN ONEAREA, BUT IT'S GONNA COME BACK
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  • AREA, BUT IT'S GONNA COME BACKIN ANOTHER AREA.
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  • IN ANOTHER AREA.AND, THE WORD "FEAR" IN THE
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  • AND, THE WORD "FEAR" IN THEORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANS TO TAKE
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  • ORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANS TO TAKEFLIGHT OR TO RUN AWAY FROM.
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  • FLIGHT OR TO RUN AWAY FROM.- LAURIE: MMH.
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  • - LAURIE: MMH.- JOYCE: SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN
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  • - JOYCE: SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHENGOD TOLD JOSHUA, "FEAR NOT," HE
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  • GOD TOLD JOSHUA, "FEAR NOT," HEWASN'T TELLING HIM NOT TO
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  • WASN'T TELLING HIM NOT TOFEEL FEAR.
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  • FEEL FEAR.HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TELLING HIM:
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  • HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TELLING HIM:YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL FEAR.
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL FEAR.- MATT: MM-HMM.
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  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: BUT WHEN YOU DO,
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  • - JOYCE: BUT WHEN YOU DO,DON'T RUN.
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  • DON'T RUN.DO WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TO
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  • DO WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TODO...BECAUSE I AM WITH YOU.
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  • DO...BECAUSE I AM WITH YOU.THE ONLY REASON THAT GOD EVER
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  • THE ONLY REASON THAT GOD EVERGIVES IN THE WORD THAT I CAN
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  • GIVES IN THE WORD THAT I CANFIND FOR US NOT TO FEAR IS
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  • FIND FOR US NOT TO FEAR IS"FEAR NOT, BECAUSE I AM
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  • "FEAR NOT, BECAUSE I AMWITH YOU."
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  • WITH YOU."HE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HE'S
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  • HE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HE'SGONNA DO, OR WHEN HE'S
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  • GONNA DO, OR WHEN HE'SGONNA DO IT.
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  • GONNA DO IT.HE JUST WANTS US TO TRUST HIM
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  • HE JUST WANTS US TO TRUST HIMENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT HE LOVES
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  • ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT HE LOVESUS, AND, THEREFORE, WE DON'T
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  • US, AND, THEREFORE, WE DON'THAVE TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HE
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  • HAVE TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HEWILL...SHOW US WHAT TO DO.
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  • WILL...SHOW US WHAT TO DO.SO...THE ONLY ANTIDOTE FOR FEAR
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  • SO...THE ONLY ANTIDOTE FOR FEARIS FAITH.
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  • IS FAITH.WHEN FEAR KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR,
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  • WHEN FEAR KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR,SEND FAITH TO ANSWER.
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  • SEND FAITH TO ANSWER.AND FAITH STEPS OUT.
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  • AND FAITH STEPS OUT.IT STEPS OUT INTO THE UNKNOWN.
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  • IT STEPS OUT INTO THE UNKNOWN.YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHEN
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  • YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHENJOSHUA WAS TOLD TO CROSS
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  • JOSHUA WAS TOLD TO CROSSTHE JORDAN.
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  • THE JORDAN.AND, HE HAD TO PUT HIS FOOT IN
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  • AND, HE HAD TO PUT HIS FOOT INTHE WATER BEFORE THE WATER
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  • THE WATER BEFORE THE WATERPARTED.
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  • PARTED.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: WELL...YOU GUYS HAVE
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  • - JOYCE: WELL...YOU GUYS HAVESPENT YOUR LIFE DOING THAT.
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  • SPENT YOUR LIFE DOING THAT.YOUR MOM AND DAD DID.
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  • YOUR MOM AND DAD DID.DAVE AND I DID.
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  • DAVE AND I DID.WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO THE
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  • WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO THEBEGINNING OF OUR MINISTRY AND
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  • BEGINNING OF OUR MINISTRY ANDTHE THINGS THAT WE DID, I
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  • THE THINGS THAT WE DID, ITHINK: HOW IN THE WORLD DID I
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  • THINK: HOW IN THE WORLD DID IHAVE THE COURAGE...TO DO THAT?
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  • HAVE THE COURAGE...TO DO THAT?WHY WOULD I EVEN HAVE
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  • WHY WOULD I EVEN HAVEBELIEVED...THAT GOD COULD USE
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  • BELIEVED...THAT GOD COULD USEME TO DO WHAT I'M DOIN' NOW?
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  • ME TO DO WHAT I'M DOIN' NOW?YOU KNOW, WHEN GOD GIVES YOU A
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  • YOU KNOW, WHEN GOD GIVES YOU ADREAM, OR A VISION FOR YOUR
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  • DREAM, OR A VISION FOR YOURLIFE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
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  • LIFE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THATYOU CAN JUST GET AWAY FROM.
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  • YOU CAN JUST GET AWAY FROM.IT'S LIKE: IT'S THERE TO STAY
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  • IT'S LIKE: IT'S THERE TO STAYAND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO DO
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  • AND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO DOSOMETHING ABOUT IT OR YOU'RE
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  • SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR YOU'REGONNA BE PRETTY MISERABLE.
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  • GONNA BE PRETTY MISERABLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: THIS WHOLE MESSAGE
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  • - JOYCE: THIS WHOLE MESSAGECAME ABOUT AS A RESULT
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  • CAME ABOUT AS A RESULTOF A STORY THAT I HEARD.
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  • OF A STORY THAT I HEARD.SOMETHING I READ MANY YEARS
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  • SOMETHING I READ MANY YEARSAGO, WHEN I WAS STILL, LIKE,
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  • AGO, WHEN I WAS STILL, LIKE,TRYING TO PRAY FEAR OUT
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  • TRYING TO PRAY FEAR OUTOF MY LIFE.
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  • OF MY LIFE.[MATT CHUCKLES]
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  • [MATT CHUCKLES]AND I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE
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  • AND I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLEWATCHING TODAY, THEY'RE JUST
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  • WATCHING TODAY, THEY'RE JUSTLIKE: WELL, IF THE FEAR WOULD
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  • LIKE: WELL, IF THE FEAR WOULDJUST GO AWAY, IF THIS FEAR
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  • JUST GO AWAY, IF THIS FEARWOULD JUST GO AWAY...
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  • WOULD JUST GO AWAY...BUT, GOD DOESN'T WANNA TAKE
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  • BUT, GOD DOESN'T WANNA TAKEYOUR FEAR AWAY.
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  • YOUR FEAR AWAY.HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE TO
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  • HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE TOGO AHEAD AND DO WHAT HE'S
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  • GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT HE'STELLING YOU TO DO...WHILE YOU
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  • TELLING YOU TO DO...WHILE YOUSTILL FEEL...AFRAID.
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  • STILL FEEL...AFRAID.YOU NEVER GET VICTORY OVER
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  • YOU NEVER GET VICTORY OVERANYTHING RUNNING AWAY FROM IT.
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  • ANYTHING RUNNING AWAY FROM IT.- MATT: HMH.
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  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: THE ONLY WAY YOU GET
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  • - JOYCE: THE ONLY WAY YOU GETVICTORY IS TO FACE IT, CONFRONT
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  • VICTORY IS TO FACE IT, CONFRONTIT, GO THROUGH IT, AND
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  • IT, GO THROUGH IT, ANDCONQUER IT.
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  • CONQUER IT.THEN, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHER
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  • THEN, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHERSIDE OF IT, YOU FIND OUT THAT A
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  • SIDE OF IT, YOU FIND OUT THAT ALOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
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  • LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOUFEARED...FIRST OF ALL, THEY
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  • FEARED...FIRST OF ALL, THEYDON'T EVEN HAPPEN.
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  • DON'T EVEN HAPPEN.OR, SECONDLY, IF THEY DO, THEY
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  • OR, SECONDLY, IF THEY DO, THEYWEREN'T NEARLY AS BAD AS THE
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  • WEREN'T NEARLY AS BAD AS THEDEVIL HAD IT PLAYED UP IN YOUR
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  • DEVIL HAD IT PLAYED UP IN YOURMIND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE.
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  • MIND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE.BUT THIS WOMAN, WHO WAS A
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  • BUT THIS WOMAN, WHO WAS ACHRISTIAN, WAS TALKING TO A
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  • CHRISTIAN, WAS TALKING TO ACHRISTIAN FRIEND OF HERS...
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  • CHRISTIAN FRIEND OF HERS...MOANING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHE
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  • MOANING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHEHAD BEEN PARALYZED BY FEAR ALL
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  • HAD BEEN PARALYZED BY FEAR ALLOF HER LIFE.
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  • OF HER LIFE.SHE WOULDN'T GO OUT AT NIGHT,
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  • SHE WOULDN'T GO OUT AT NIGHT,SHE WOULDN'T DRIVE A CAR.
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  • SHE WOULDN'T DRIVE A CAR.DIDN'T WANNA BE IN CROWDS.
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  • DIDN'T WANNA BE IN CROWDS.I MEAN, FEAR JUST
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  • I MEAN, FEAR JUSTABSOLUTELY CONTROLLED HER.
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  • ABSOLUTELY CONTROLLED HER.SO, SHE WAS KIND OF
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  • SO, SHE WAS KIND OFLIKE WANTIN' SOME
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  • LIKE WANTIN' SOMESYMPATHY, SOME MINISTRY,
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  • SYMPATHY, SOME MINISTRY,SOME COMFORT.
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  • SOME COMFORT.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND THE WOMAN JUST LOOKED AT
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  • AND THE WOMAN JUST LOOKED ATHER AND SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'T
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  • HER AND SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'TYOU JUST DO IT AFRAID?"
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  • YOU JUST DO IT AFRAID?"- MATT: MMH.
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  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: AND WHEN I READ THAT
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  • - JOYCE: AND WHEN I READ THATSTORY, IT WAS JUST LIKE ALL
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  • STORY, IT WAS JUST LIKE ALLTHESE THINGS CAME
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  • THESE THINGS CAMETOGETHER FOR ME AT ONCE.
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  • TOGETHER FOR ME AT ONCE.BUT I THOUGHT: WELL, BEFORE I
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  • BUT I THOUGHT: WELL, BEFORE ISTART TEACHIN' THIS, I GOTTA
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  • START TEACHIN' THIS, I GOTTAMAKE SURE I CAN BACK IT UP
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  • MAKE SURE I CAN BACK IT UPBIBLICALLY.
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  • BIBLICALLY.SO, WHEN I STUDIED THE WORD
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  • SO, WHEN I STUDIED THE WORD"FEAR" IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE
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  • "FEAR" IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGEAND SAW THAT IT MEANT TO TAKE
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  • AND SAW THAT IT MEANT TO TAKEFLIGHT, OR TO RUN AWAY FROM, I
  • 00:05:53.165 --> 00:05:55.133
  • FLIGHT, OR TO RUN AWAY FROM, IKNEW THAT WAS MY BACKING.
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  • KNEW THAT WAS MY BACKING.BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.
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  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID, THEY RUN
  • 00:05:58.603 --> 00:06:01.039
  • WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID, THEY RUNAWAY FROM THINGS.
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  • AWAY FROM THINGS.I CAN TALK ABOUT, LIKE...MY
  • 00:06:02.073 --> 00:06:02.841
  • I CAN TALK ABOUT, LIKE...MYMOM, EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW MY
  • 00:06:02.841 --> 00:06:04.543
  • MOM, EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW MYDAD WAS SEXUALLY ABUSING ME...
  • 00:06:04.543 --> 00:06:07.412
  • DAD WAS SEXUALLY ABUSING ME...WHAT MOTHER DOESN'T RESCUE HER
  • 00:06:07.412 --> 00:06:09.014
  • WHAT MOTHER DOESN'T RESCUE HERCHILDREN FROM SOMETHING
  • 00:06:09.014 --> 00:06:11.716
  • CHILDREN FROM SOMETHINGLIKE THAT?
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  • LIKE THAT?WHAT SHE DID WAS HARDER FOR TO
  • 00:06:12.551 --> 00:06:13.985
  • WHAT SHE DID WAS HARDER FOR TOUNDERSTAND THAN WHAT HE DID.
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  • UNDERSTAND THAN WHAT HE DID.- MATT: RIGHT.
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  • - MATT: RIGHT.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:06:18.156 --> 00:06:18.723
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW?BUT...WHEN SHE FINALLY DID
  • 00:06:18.723 --> 00:06:19.658
  • BUT...WHEN SHE FINALLY DIDAPOLOGIZE TO ME, WHICH WAS
  • 00:06:19.658 --> 00:06:21.660
  • APOLOGIZE TO ME, WHICH WAS30 YEARS AFTER I LEFT HOME,
  • 00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:24.596
  • 30 YEARS AFTER I LEFT HOME,SHE SAID, "I WAS AFRAID.
  • 00:06:24.596 --> 00:06:28.733
  • SHE SAID, "I WAS AFRAID.I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULD
  • 00:06:28.733 --> 00:06:30.235
  • I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULDFACE THE SCANDAL.
  • 00:06:30.235 --> 00:06:31.903
  • FACE THE SCANDAL.AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULD
  • 00:06:31.903 --> 00:06:32.537
  • AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULDTAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOUR
  • 00:06:32.537 --> 00:06:34.339
  • TAKE CARE OF YOU AND YOURBROTHER."
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  • BROTHER."SO, SHE LET THE FEAR THAT SHE
  • 00:06:36.641 --> 00:06:38.743
  • SO, SHE LET THE FEAR THAT SHEFELT GIVE HER ALL KINDS OF
  • 00:06:38.743 --> 00:06:40.345
  • FELT GIVE HER ALL KINDS OFWRONG THINKING...
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  • WRONG THINKING...- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
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  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND SHE COULD-- SHE
  • 00:06:42.514 --> 00:06:44.783
  • - JOYCE: AND SHE COULD-- SHECOULD HAVE DONE IT.
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  • COULD HAVE DONE IT.IF SHE WOULD HAVE--
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  • IF SHE WOULD HAVE--- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: --BEEN BOLD AND ASKED
  • 00:06:46.852 --> 00:06:47.452
  • - JOYCE: --BEEN BOLD AND ASKEDGOD TO HELP HER, AND TAKEN A
  • 00:06:47.452 --> 00:06:51.656
  • GOD TO HELP HER, AND TAKEN ASTEP, SHE COULD HAVE...KEPT ME
  • 00:06:51.656 --> 00:06:54.159
  • STEP, SHE COULD HAVE...KEPT MEFROM MANY YEARS OF AGONY -- AND
  • 00:06:54.159 --> 00:06:56.461
  • FROM MANY YEARS OF AGONY -- ANDMY BROTHER'S LIFE WAS RUINED,
  • 00:06:56.461 --> 00:06:57.796
  • MY BROTHER'S LIFE WAS RUINED,TOO, BUT NOT FROM BEING
  • 00:06:57.796 --> 00:06:58.930
  • TOO, BUT NOT FROM BEINGSEXUALLY ABUSED, BUT JUST
  • 00:06:58.930 --> 00:06:59.865
  • SEXUALLY ABUSED, BUT JUSTFROM...BASICALLY NOT HAVING A
  • 00:06:59.865 --> 00:07:03.068
  • FROM...BASICALLY NOT HAVING AFATHER.
  • 00:07:03.068 --> 00:07:04.035
  • FATHER.BUT SHE RAN.
  • 00:07:04.035 --> 00:07:05.337
  • BUT SHE RAN.SHE RAN FROM WHAT SHE SHOULD
  • 00:07:05.337 --> 00:07:07.706
  • SHE RAN FROM WHAT SHE SHOULDHAVE CONFRONTED.
  • 00:07:07.706 --> 00:07:08.573
  • HAVE CONFRONTED.AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHING,
  • 00:07:08.573 --> 00:07:09.441
  • AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHING,RIGHT NOW --
  • 00:07:09.441 --> 00:07:10.675
  • RIGHT NOW --THEY'RE DOING THAT?
  • 00:07:10.675 --> 00:07:11.643
  • THEY'RE DOING THAT?THEY'RE RUNNING...FROM WHAT
  • 00:07:11.643 --> 00:07:15.714
  • THEY'RE RUNNING...FROM WHATTHEY SHOULD CONFRONT.
  • 00:07:15.714 --> 00:07:16.748
  • THEY SHOULD CONFRONT.OR, SOMETIMES, WE TRY TO PRAY
  • 00:07:16.748 --> 00:07:18.149
  • OR, SOMETIMES, WE TRY TO PRAYAWAY THINGS THAT GOD WANTS US
  • 00:07:18.149 --> 00:07:21.753
  • AWAY THINGS THAT GOD WANTS USTO DEAL WITH.
  • 00:07:21.753 --> 00:07:22.888
  • TO DEAL WITH.AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GET RID
  • 00:07:22.888 --> 00:07:23.455
  • AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GET RIDOF IT.
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  • OF IT.HE WANTS US TO DEAL WITH IT.
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  • HE WANTS US TO DEAL WITH IT.AND SO, THAT-- THAT WHOLE
  • 00:07:27.225 --> 00:07:28.727
  • AND SO, THAT-- THAT WHOLEPRINCIPLE OF "DO IT AFRAID" HAS
  • 00:07:28.727 --> 00:07:30.462
  • - MATT: WHAT I WAS SITTIN'
  • 00:07:32.030 --> 00:07:33.265
  • - MATT: WHAT I WAS SITTIN'THERE THINKING ABOUT WHILE YOU
  • 00:07:33.265 --> 00:07:34.766
  • THERE THINKING ABOUT WHILE YOUWERE TALKING IS THE GUY THAT
  • 00:07:34.766 --> 00:07:37.736
  • WERE TALKING IS THE GUY THATHAS TO WALK ON STEEL GIRDERS,
  • 00:07:37.736 --> 00:07:41.473
  • HAS TO WALK ON STEEL GIRDERS,HIGH ABOVE NEW YORK CITY,
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  • HIGH ABOVE NEW YORK CITY,BUILDING A NEW SKYSCRAPER...
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  • BUILDING A NEW SKYSCRAPER...NEEDS FEAR.
  • 00:07:46.745 --> 00:07:47.379
  • NEEDS FEAR.HE NEEDS TO HAVE FEAR TO KEEP
  • 00:07:47.379 --> 00:07:48.914
  • HE NEEDS TO HAVE FEAR TO KEEPHIM FOCUSED--
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  • HIM FOCUSED--- JOYCE: A RIGHT KIND OF FEAR.
  • 00:07:49.614 --> 00:07:50.682
  • - JOYCE: A RIGHT KIND OF FEAR.YEAH.
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  • YEAH.- MATT: --YOU KNOW, ON
  • 00:07:51.616 --> 00:07:52.517
  • - MATT: --YOU KNOW, ONSTEPPING ON THE BEAM
  • 00:07:52.517 --> 00:07:53.218
  • STEPPING ON THE BEAMCORRECTLY AND--
  • 00:07:53.218 --> 00:07:54.486
  • CORRECTLY AND--- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:54.486 --> 00:07:55.120
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: --AND RESPECTING THIS
  • 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:55.754
  • - MATT: --AND RESPECTING THISTHING.
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  • THING.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
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  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, THE IDEA THAT
  • 00:07:57.289 --> 00:07:59.591
  • - MATT: SO, THE IDEA THATFEAR-- WHEN YOU SEE A BEAR IN
  • 00:07:59.591 --> 00:08:01.893
  • FEAR-- WHEN YOU SEE A BEAR INTHE WOODS AND YOU START
  • 00:08:01.893 --> 00:08:03.228
  • THE WOODS AND YOU STARTRUNNING, FEAR HELPS YOU RUN
  • 00:08:03.228 --> 00:08:04.529
  • RUNNING, FEAR HELPS YOU RUNFASTER.
  • 00:08:04.529 --> 00:08:05.497
  • FASTER.- JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.
  • 00:08:05.497 --> 00:08:06.097
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.[LAURIE GIGGLES]
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  • [LAURIE GIGGLES]- MATT: HELPS YOU OUTRUN YOUR
  • 00:08:06.731 --> 00:08:07.899
  • - MATT: HELPS YOU OUTRUN YOURFRIEND.
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  • FRIEND.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND, SO, BASICALLY, UM, WHAT
  • 00:08:09.935 --> 00:08:12.737
  • AND, SO, BASICALLY, UM, WHATWE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE
  • 00:08:12.737 --> 00:08:14.139
  • WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVETO -- WHAT?
  • 00:08:14.139 --> 00:08:15.473
  • TO -- WHAT?ARE WE HAVING TO CHANNEL FEAR
  • 00:08:15.473 --> 00:08:17.375
  • ARE WE HAVING TO CONTROL IT?
  • 00:08:19.077 --> 00:08:20.045
  • ARE WE HAVING TO CONTROL IT?WHAT WORD? WHAT ADJECTIVE?
  • 00:08:20.045 --> 00:08:22.347
  • WHAT WORD? WHAT ADJECTIVE?BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA NOT HAVE
  • 00:08:22.347 --> 00:08:23.915
  • BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA NOT HAVEFEAR, BECAUSE IT HELPS US IN
  • 00:08:23.915 --> 00:08:25.517
  • FEAR, BECAUSE IT HELPS US INTIMES OF TROUBLE.
  • 00:08:25.517 --> 00:08:27.018
  • TIMES OF TROUBLE.BUT WE DON'T WANT TO -- WHAT?
  • 00:08:27.018 --> 00:08:28.253
  • BUT WE DON'T WANT TO -- WHAT?DWELL IN IT?
  • 00:08:28.253 --> 00:08:29.087
  • DWELL IN IT?OR SIT IN IT, OR--
  • 00:08:29.087 --> 00:08:29.955
  • OR SIT IN IT, OR--- JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S A
  • 00:08:29.955 --> 00:08:30.855
  • - JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S ACHAPTER CALLED "TRADING FEAR
  • 00:08:30.855 --> 00:08:33.158
  • CHAPTER CALLED "TRADING FEARFOR FEAR."
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  • FOR FEAR."- MATT: THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:08:33.925 --> 00:08:34.759
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO.LET'S-- LET'S GO THERE.
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  • LET'S-- LET'S GO THERE.- JOYCE: AND SO, THAT
  • 00:08:35.393 --> 00:08:36.394
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, THATPARTICULAR CHAPTER IS ABOUT
  • 00:08:36.394 --> 00:08:38.730
  • PARTICULAR CHAPTER IS ABOUTTRADING ALL THESE FEARS THAT
  • 00:08:38.730 --> 00:08:40.865
  • TRADING ALL THESE FEARS THATKEEP US FROM DOING THINGS FOR
  • 00:08:40.865 --> 00:08:43.969
  • KEEP US FROM DOING THINGS FORTHE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF GOD.
  • 00:08:43.969 --> 00:08:44.703
  • THE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF GOD.- MATT: HNPH.
  • 00:08:44.703 --> 00:08:46.304
  • - MATT: HNPH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE
  • 00:08:46.304 --> 00:08:47.806
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEREVERENTIAL FEAR AND AWE OF
  • 00:08:47.806 --> 00:08:49.274
  • REVERENTIAL FEAR AND AWE OFGOD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:08:49.274 --> 00:08:50.041
  • GOD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THATWE'RE REALLY MISSING TODAY...
  • 00:08:50.041 --> 00:08:50.842
  • WE'RE REALLY MISSING TODAY...- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:08:50.842 --> 00:08:51.443
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: I MEAN, WHEN'S THE
  • 00:08:51.443 --> 00:08:52.344
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, WHEN'S THELAST TIME YOU HEARD A SERMON
  • 00:08:52.344 --> 00:08:53.078
  • LAST TIME YOU HEARD A SERMONON--
  • 00:08:53.078 --> 00:08:53.645
  • ON--- LAURIE: THE FEAR OF THE
  • 00:08:53.645 --> 00:08:54.012
  • - LAURIE: THE FEAR OF THELORD.
  • 00:08:54.012 --> 00:08:54.679
  • LORD.- JOYCE: --THE FEAR OF THE
  • 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:55.347
  • - JOYCE: --THE FEAR OF THELORD?
  • 00:08:55.347 --> 00:08:56.147
  • LORD?- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:08:56.147 --> 00:08:56.681
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: YOU DON'T--
  • 00:08:56.681 --> 00:08:57.482
  • - JOYCE: YOU DON'T--THEY'VE GOTTEN-- ALMOST GOTTEN
  • 00:08:57.482 --> 00:08:58.183
  • THEY'VE GOTTEN-- ALMOST GOTTENTOO MUCH OVER INTO THE: GOD'S
  • 00:08:58.183 --> 00:08:58.850
  • TOO MUCH OVER INTO THE: GOD'SMY FRIEND...
  • 00:08:58.850 --> 00:08:59.384
  • MY FRIEND...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:08:59.384 --> 00:09:00.151
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND HE LOVES ME,
  • 00:09:00.151 --> 00:09:00.619
  • - JOYCE: ...AND HE LOVES ME,NO MATTER WHAT.
  • 00:09:00.619 --> 00:09:02.120
  • NO MATTER WHAT.AND...AND SO, WHY SHOULD I BE
  • 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:03.254
  • AND...AND SO, WHY SHOULD I BEAFRAID OF GOD?
  • 00:09:03.254 --> 00:09:04.723
  • AFRAID OF GOD?WELL, YOU'RE-- WE'RE NOT TO BE
  • 00:09:04.723 --> 00:09:06.358
  • WELL, YOU'RE-- WE'RE NOT TO BEAFRAID OF GOD, IN A WRONG WAY,
  • 00:09:06.358 --> 00:09:08.159
  • AFRAID OF GOD, IN A WRONG WAY,LIKE HE'S GONNA HURT US.
  • 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:09.861
  • LIKE HE'S GONNA HURT US.BUT, JUST LIKE THAT STEEL BEAM,
  • 00:09:09.861 --> 00:09:11.596
  • BUT, JUST LIKE THAT STEEL BEAM,YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REVERENTIAL
  • 00:09:11.596 --> 00:09:13.965
  • YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REVERENTIALFEAR OF THAT BECAUSE IF YOU
  • 00:09:13.965 --> 00:09:17.235
  • FEAR OF THAT BECAUSE IF YOUDON'T TREAT IT RESPECTFULLY,
  • 00:09:17.235 --> 00:09:19.371
  • DON'T TREAT IT RESPECTFULLY,IF YOU GET UP THERE ARE GET
  • 00:09:19.371 --> 00:09:21.906
  • IF YOU GET UP THERE ARE GETSLOPPY OR...JUST NOT PAYIN'
  • 00:09:21.906 --> 00:09:22.507
  • SLOPPY OR...JUST NOT PAYIN'ATTENTION, YOU'RE GONNA GET
  • 00:09:22.507 --> 00:09:23.441
  • ATTENTION, YOU'RE GONNA GETKILLED.
  • 00:09:23.441 --> 00:09:24.376
  • KILLED.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:09:24.376 --> 00:09:25.043
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: SAME WAY IF A BEAR IS
  • 00:09:25.043 --> 00:09:25.543
  • - JOYCE: SAME WAY IF A BEAR ISCOMIN' AFTER YOU.
  • 00:09:25.543 --> 00:09:26.645
  • COMIN' AFTER YOU.YOU DON'T-- YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA
  • 00:09:26.645 --> 00:09:27.912
  • YOU DON'T-- YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTAHAVE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF THAT
  • 00:09:27.912 --> 00:09:29.748
  • HAVE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF THATBEAR BECAUSE IT HAS...THE POWER
  • 00:09:29.748 --> 00:09:32.083
  • BEAR BECAUSE IT HAS...THE POWERTO KILL YOU.
  • 00:09:32.083 --> 00:09:33.952
  • TO KILL YOU.YOU DON'T WANNA STEP OUT IN
  • 00:09:33.952 --> 00:09:34.552
  • YOU DON'T WANNA STEP OUT INTRAFFIC, IN THE MIDDLE--
  • 00:09:34.552 --> 00:09:35.220
  • TRAFFIC, IN THE MIDDLE--- LAURIE: IT'S A HEALTHY FEAR.
  • 00:09:35.220 --> 00:09:35.854
  • - LAURIE: IT'S A HEALTHY FEAR.- JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S A HEALTHY
  • 00:09:35.854 --> 00:09:36.688
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S A HEALTHYFEAR.
  • 00:09:36.688 --> 00:09:37.555
  • FEAR.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:09:37.555 --> 00:09:38.156
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: IT'S A FEAR THAT--
  • 00:09:38.156 --> 00:09:38.923
  • - JOYCE: IT'S A FEAR THAT--THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.
  • 00:09:38.923 --> 00:09:39.758
  • THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.SO, YES, THERE ARE FEARS THAT
  • 00:09:39.758 --> 00:09:40.925
  • SO, YES, THERE ARE FEARS THATWE NEED TO HAVE.
  • 00:09:40.925 --> 00:09:43.662
  • WE NEED TO HAVE.BUT, WE SHOULD NOT FEAR, FIRST
  • 00:09:43.662 --> 00:09:45.130
  • BUT, WE SHOULD NOT FEAR, FIRSTOF ALL, ANYTHING THAT WE
  • 00:09:45.130 --> 00:09:48.166
  • OF ALL, ANYTHING THAT WEBELIEVE THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TO
  • 00:09:48.166 --> 00:09:49.234
  • BELIEVE THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TOUS TO DO.
  • 00:09:49.234 --> 00:09:50.101
  • US TO DO.- MATT: HMHH.
  • 00:09:50.101 --> 00:09:51.202
  • - MATT: HMHH.- JOYCE: OR SHOWING US TO DO.
  • 00:09:51.202 --> 00:09:52.303
  • - JOYCE: OR SHOWING US TO DO.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:09:52.303 --> 00:09:53.638
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: WE CAN DO AND WE
  • 00:09:53.638 --> 00:09:56.675
  • - JOYCE: WE CAN DO AND WESHOULD DO, EVEN WHILE WE FEEL
  • 00:09:56.675 --> 00:09:59.544
  • SHOULD DO, EVEN WHILE WE FEELAFRAID.
  • 00:09:59.544 --> 00:10:01.112
  • AFRAID.WHEN-- WHEN DAVE AND I WERE--
  • 00:10:01.112 --> 00:10:04.649
  • WHEN-- WHEN DAVE AND I WERE--BEFORE WE WERE IN MINISTRY, UH,
  • 00:10:04.649 --> 00:10:06.651
  • BEFORE WE WERE IN MINISTRY, UH,WE BOTH WORKED -- OF COURSE,
  • 00:10:06.651 --> 00:10:07.852
  • WE BOTH WORKED -- OF COURSE,FULL-TIME.
  • 00:10:07.852 --> 00:10:09.120
  • FULL-TIME.I HAD A VERY GOOD JOB.
  • 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.655
  • I HAD A VERY GOOD JOB.I HAD THREE CHILDREN.
  • 00:10:10.655 --> 00:10:12.724
  • I HAD THREE CHILDREN.UM...I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING
  • 00:10:12.724 --> 00:10:13.792
  • UM...I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHINGABOUT THE BIBLE.
  • 00:10:13.792 --> 00:10:15.360
  • ABOUT THE BIBLE.I MEAN, I HAD READ A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:16.761
  • I MEAN, I HAD READ A LITTLE BITOF THE BIBLE AND I WENT TO
  • 00:10:16.761 --> 00:10:17.662
  • OF THE BIBLE AND I WENT TOCHURCH, BUT I WASN'T CERTAINLY
  • 00:10:17.662 --> 00:10:18.463
  • CHURCH, BUT I WASN'T CERTAINLYIN ANY CONDITION TO TEACH...
  • 00:10:18.463 --> 00:10:22.434
  • IN ANY CONDITION TO TEACH...THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:10:22.434 --> 00:10:23.668
  • THE WORD OF GOD.AND, UH-- SO, I KNEW I NEEDED
  • 00:10:23.668 --> 00:10:25.036
  • AND, UH-- SO, I KNEW I NEEDEDTO STUDY.
  • 00:10:25.036 --> 00:10:25.670
  • TO STUDY.BUT I COULDN'T GO OFF TO BIBLE
  • 00:10:25.670 --> 00:10:26.471
  • BUT I COULDN'T GO OFF TO BIBLECOLLEGE.
  • 00:10:26.471 --> 00:10:27.439
  • COLLEGE.I COULDN'T DO THAT.
  • 00:10:27.439 --> 00:10:28.840
  • I COULDN'T DO THAT.I HAD A FAMILY.
  • 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:29.841
  • I HAD A FAMILY.BUT I KNEW IF I COULD STUDY, IF
  • 00:10:29.841 --> 00:10:31.910
  • BUT I KNEW IF I COULD STUDY, IFI COULD FIND TIME TO STUDY THAT
  • 00:10:31.910 --> 00:10:35.480
  • I COULD FIND TIME TO STUDY THATGOD WOULD REVEAL THINGS TO ME.
  • 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.582
  • GOD WOULD REVEAL THINGS TO ME.AND SO, I WANTED TO STUDY IN
  • 00:10:37.582 --> 00:10:39.250
  • AND SO, I WANTED TO STUDY INTHE AREA WHERE I HAD PROBLEMS.
  • 00:10:39.250 --> 00:10:40.618
  • THE AREA WHERE I HAD PROBLEMS.I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE: IF YOU
  • 00:10:40.618 --> 00:10:41.519
  • I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE: IF YOUGOT A BAD TEMPER, STUDYING
  • 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:42.654
  • GOT A BAD TEMPER, STUDYINGPROSPERITY'S NOT GONNA
  • 00:10:42.654 --> 00:10:47.125
  • PROSPERITY'S NOT GONNAHELP YOU.
  • 00:10:47.125 --> 00:10:48.193
  • HELP YOU.YOU NEED TO STUDY WHAT
  • 00:10:48.193 --> 00:10:48.793
  • YOU NEED TO STUDY WHATTHE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ANGER,
  • 00:10:48.793 --> 00:10:49.427
  • THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ANGER,AND, YOU KNOW...
  • 00:10:49.427 --> 00:10:50.628
  • AND, YOU KNOW...[LAUGHS]
  • 00:10:50.628 --> 00:10:51.830
  • [LAUGHS]- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:10:51.830 --> 00:10:52.464
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: [LAUGHING]
  • 00:10:52.464 --> 00:10:52.997
  • - JOYCE: [LAUGHING]WELL, IT'S TRUE, RIGHT?
  • 00:10:52.997 --> 00:10:53.465
  • WELL, IT'S TRUE, RIGHT?- MATT: YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:10:53.465 --> 00:10:54.199
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH.IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE.
  • 00:10:54.199 --> 00:10:54.799
  • IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE.- JOYCE: WE DON'T EVEN STUDY
  • 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:55.934
  • - JOYCE: WE DON'T EVEN STUDYTHE BIBLE CORRECTLY, SOMETIMES.
  • 00:10:55.934 --> 00:10:56.835
  • THE BIBLE CORRECTLY, SOMETIMES.- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:10:56.835 --> 00:10:57.502
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: IT'S NOT JUST: OH, MY
  • 00:10:57.502 --> 00:10:58.069
  • - JOYCE: IT'S NOT JUST: OH, MYLIFE IS MESSED UP.
  • 00:10:58.069 --> 00:10:59.137
  • LIFE IS MESSED UP.I THINK I'LL JUST...
  • 00:10:59.137 --> 00:11:02.407
  • I THINK I'LL JUST...READ LEVITICUS.
  • 00:11:02.407 --> 00:11:03.675
  • READ LEVITICUS.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:03.675 --> 00:11:04.142
  • [LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT--
  • 00:11:04.142 --> 00:11:05.310
  • YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT--[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:11:05.310 --> 00:11:06.344
  • [ALL LAUGHING]THAT COULD MESS YOU UP
  • 00:11:06.344 --> 00:11:07.445
  • THAT COULD MESS YOU UPEVEN MORE IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:11:07.445 --> 00:11:08.413
  • EVEN MORE IF YOU DON'TREALLY TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:11:08.413 --> 00:11:09.581
  • REALLY TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTANDIT.
  • 00:11:09.581 --> 00:11:10.448
  • IT.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:11:10.448 --> 00:11:11.616
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.- JOYCE: SO, I REALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:11:11.616 --> 00:11:13.017
  • - JOYCE: SO, I REALLY BELIEVEIN STUDYING THE WORD IN THE
  • 00:11:13.017 --> 00:11:13.651
  • IN STUDYING THE WORD IN THEAREA WHERE YOU NEED HELP.
  • 00:11:13.651 --> 00:11:14.486
  • AREA WHERE YOU NEED HELP.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:11:14.486 --> 00:11:15.987
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE
  • 00:11:15.987 --> 00:11:17.288
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VEGOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE YOU
  • 00:11:17.288 --> 00:11:17.889
  • GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE YOUDON'T NEED ANY HELP, THEN, OF
  • 00:11:17.889 --> 00:11:18.923
  • DON'T NEED ANY HELP, THEN, OFCOURSE, YOU JUST--
  • 00:11:18.923 --> 00:11:19.657
  • COURSE, YOU JUST--- LAURIE: GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:11:19.657 --> 00:11:20.325
  • - LAURIE: GO TO HEAVEN.- JOYCE: --STUDY THE WORD, YOU
  • 00:11:20.325 --> 00:11:21.092
  • - JOYCE: --STUDY THE WORD, YOUKNOW.
  • 00:11:21.092 --> 00:11:21.559
  • KNOW.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:22.494
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]YEAH, OR GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:11:22.494 --> 00:11:23.094
  • YEAH, OR GO TO HEAVEN.THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:11:23.094 --> 00:11:24.195
  • THAT'S GOOD.I WOULD STUDY THE WORD
  • 00:11:24.195 --> 00:11:25.530
  • I WOULD STUDY THE WORDIN THE AREAS WHERE I
  • 00:11:25.530 --> 00:11:26.598
  • IN THE AREAS WHERE INEEDED HELP, AND THEN
  • 00:11:26.598 --> 00:11:27.832
  • NEEDED HELP, AND THENYOU FIND OUT PRETTY MUCH
  • 00:11:27.832 --> 00:11:29.100
  • YOU FIND OUT PRETTY MUCHEVERYBODY NEEDED HELP IN THE
  • 00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:29.634
  • EVERYBODY NEEDED HELP IN THESAME AREAS,
  • 00:11:29.634 --> 00:11:31.402
  • SAME AREAS,AND THEN I COULD TEACH
  • 00:11:31.402 --> 00:11:33.271
  • AND THEN I COULD TEACHTHOSE THINGS.
  • 00:11:33.271 --> 00:11:35.006
  • THOSE THINGS.I STARTED REALLY FEELING
  • 00:11:35.006 --> 00:11:36.074
  • I STARTED REALLY FEELINGLIKE THAT GOD WANTED ME TO QUIT
  • 00:11:36.074 --> 00:11:36.875
  • LIKE THAT GOD WANTED ME TO QUITMY JOB.
  • 00:11:36.875 --> 00:11:38.543
  • MY JOB.NOW, I'M CERTAINLY
  • 00:11:38.543 --> 00:11:39.377
  • NOW, I'M CERTAINLYNOT RECOMMENDING THAT FOR
  • 00:11:39.377 --> 00:11:39.878
  • NOT RECOMMENDING THAT FOREVERYBODY.
  • 00:11:39.878 --> 00:11:41.246
  • EVERYBODY.YOU DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING
  • 00:11:41.246 --> 00:11:42.547
  • YOU DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHINGLIKE THAT UNLESS YOU REALLY...
  • 00:11:42.547 --> 00:11:45.316
  • LIKE THAT UNLESS YOU REALLY...KNOW THAT IT'S GOD.
  • 00:11:45.316 --> 00:11:46.951
  • KNOW THAT IT'S GOD.AND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT
  • 00:11:46.951 --> 00:11:49.587
  • AND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THATIT'S GOD, YOU CAN...TRY IT AND
  • 00:11:49.587 --> 00:11:51.122
  • IT'S GOD, YOU CAN...TRY IT ANDSEE IF HE PAYS YOUR BILLS FOR A
  • 00:11:51.122 --> 00:11:52.590
  • SEE IF HE PAYS YOUR BILLS FOR AWEEK.
  • 00:11:52.590 --> 00:11:53.224
  • WEEK.(LAUGHING) AND IF HE DOESN'T,
  • 00:11:53.224 --> 00:11:54.058
  • (LAUGHING) AND IF HE DOESN'T,YOU BETTER GO GET A JOB.
  • 00:11:54.058 --> 00:11:55.593
  • YOU BETTER GO GET A JOB.'CAUSE WHEN GOD TELLS YOU TO DO
  • 00:11:55.593 --> 00:11:56.294
  • 'CAUSE WHEN GOD TELLS YOU TO DOSOMETHING, HE ALWAYS PAYS FOR
  • 00:11:56.294 --> 00:11:57.662
  • SOMETHING, HE ALWAYS PAYS FORWHAT HE ORDERED.
  • 00:11:57.662 --> 00:12:01.933
  • WHAT HE ORDERED.IT'S REALLY A FUNNY STORY,
  • 00:12:01.933 --> 00:12:03.368
  • IT'S REALLY A FUNNY STORY,BECAUSE, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME
  • 00:12:03.368 --> 00:12:04.903
  • BECAUSE, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIMETO GET IN AGREEMENT WITH GOD
  • 00:12:04.903 --> 00:12:07.939
  • TO GET IN AGREEMENT WITH GODBECAUSE, OF FEAR.
  • 00:12:07.939 --> 00:12:09.240
  • BECAUSE, OF FEAR.- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:10.141
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: I WAS AFRAID.
  • 00:12:10.141 --> 00:12:11.509
  • - JOYCE: I WAS AFRAID.WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
  • 00:12:11.509 --> 00:12:13.244
  • WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TOPAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:12:13.244 --> 00:12:15.146
  • PAY OUR BILLS.WE WERE CLOSE, BUT WE WERE,
  • 00:12:15.146 --> 00:12:16.514
  • WE WERE CLOSE, BUT WE WERE,LIKE, $40 A MONTH SHORT OF
  • 00:12:16.514 --> 00:12:17.715
  • LIKE, $40 A MONTH SHORT OFBEING ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:12:17.715 --> 00:12:18.950
  • BEING ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS.PLUS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY
  • 00:12:18.950 --> 00:12:20.151
  • PLUS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANYMONEY FOR A FLAT TIRE, OR A
  • 00:12:20.151 --> 00:12:21.419
  • MONEY FOR A FLAT TIRE, OR ADOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, OR...
  • 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:23.755
  • DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, OR...- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:23.755 --> 00:12:24.556
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...ANY-- ANY KIND OF
  • 00:12:24.556 --> 00:12:25.790
  • - JOYCE: ...ANY-- ANY KIND OFREPAIR, ANYTHING THAT CAME UP.
  • 00:12:25.790 --> 00:12:26.324
  • REPAIR, ANYTHING THAT CAME UP.- LAURIE: EMERGENCY.
  • 00:12:26.324 --> 00:12:27.025
  • - LAURIE: EMERGENCY.- JOYCE: SO, IT WAS...IT WAS
  • 00:12:27.025 --> 00:12:27.659
  • - JOYCE: SO, IT WAS...IT WASTOUGH TO DO THAT.
  • 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:28.126
  • TOUGH TO DO THAT.REALLY TOUGH.
  • 00:12:28.126 --> 00:12:31.763
  • REALLY TOUGH.SO...I QUIT MY JOB, BUT I GOT A
  • 00:12:31.763 --> 00:12:34.465
  • SO...I QUIT MY JOB, BUT I GOT APART-TIME JOB.
  • 00:12:34.465 --> 00:12:35.934
  • PART-TIME JOB.AND HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK
  • 00:12:35.934 --> 00:12:37.235
  • AND HOW MANY PEOPLE THINKPART-TIME OBEDIENCE IS GOING TO
  • 00:12:37.235 --> 00:12:39.037
  • PART-TIME OBEDIENCE IS GOING TOSATISFY GOD?
  • 00:12:39.037 --> 00:12:40.205
  • SATISFY GOD?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:12:40.205 --> 00:12:41.472
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- MATT: OH, WOW.
  • 00:12:41.472 --> 00:12:42.173
  • - MATT: OH, WOW.- JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, GOD
  • 00:12:42.173 --> 00:12:43.241
  • - JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, GODSAID: I WANT OBEDIENCE, NOT
  • 00:12:43.241 --> 00:12:44.475
  • SAID: I WANT OBEDIENCE, NOTSACRIFICE.
  • 00:12:44.475 --> 00:12:45.043
  • SACRIFICE.- LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:12:45.043 --> 00:12:45.977
  • - LAURIE: MMH...- JOYCE: WELL, I TRIED TO GIVE
  • 00:12:45.977 --> 00:12:46.644
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I TRIED TO GIVEHIM A SACRIFICE.
  • 00:12:46.644 --> 00:12:47.679
  • HIM A SACRIFICE.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:48.680
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: I'LL QUITE MY
  • 00:12:48.680 --> 00:12:50.215
  • - JOYCE: I'LL QUITE MYFULL-TIME JOB, BUT I'LL HAVE
  • 00:12:50.215 --> 00:12:52.150
  • FULL-TIME JOB, BUT I'LL HAVETHIS LITTLE BACKUP PLAN, JUST
  • 00:12:52.150 --> 00:12:53.351
  • THIS LITTLE BACKUP PLAN, JUSTIN CASE YOU DON'T COME THROUGH.
  • 00:12:53.351 --> 00:12:54.719
  • IN CASE YOU DON'T COME THROUGH.- MATT: HMPH.
  • 00:12:54.719 --> 00:12:55.987
  • - MATT: HMPH.- JOYCE: [CHUCKLES]
  • 00:12:55.987 --> 00:12:57.889
  • - JOYCE: [CHUCKLES]DON'T WE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:12:57.889 --> 00:12:58.523
  • DON'T WE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW?- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:12:58.523 --> 00:12:59.157
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND SO, I GOT A
  • 00:12:59.157 --> 00:13:00.158
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, I GOT APART-TIME JOB.
  • 00:13:00.158 --> 00:13:02.660
  • PART-TIME JOB.I WAS NOT THE KIND OF PERSON
  • 00:13:02.660 --> 00:13:04.529
  • I WAS NOT THE KIND OF PERSONTO EVER GET FIRED FROM A JOB.
  • 00:13:04.529 --> 00:13:05.597
  • TO EVER GET FIRED FROM A JOB.I MEAN, I WAS A GOOD WORKER, I
  • 00:13:05.597 --> 00:13:07.999
  • I MEAN, I WAS A GOOD WORKER, IUSUALLY GOT PROMOTED, DID WELL,
  • 00:13:07.999 --> 00:13:10.134
  • USUALLY GOT PROMOTED, DID WELL,OR GOT PUT IN CHARGE OF
  • 00:13:10.134 --> 00:13:10.802
  • OR GOT PUT IN CHARGE OFSOMETHING.
  • 00:13:10.802 --> 00:13:12.704
  • SOMETHING.BUT I WENT TO WORK AT THIS
  • 00:13:12.704 --> 00:13:15.740
  • BUT I WENT TO WORK AT THISCOMPANY -- PART-TIME.
  • 00:13:15.740 --> 00:13:17.008
  • COMPANY -- PART-TIME.AND I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING
  • 00:13:17.008 --> 00:13:18.042
  • AND I COULD NOT DO ANYTHINGRIGHT AT THAT PLACE.
  • 00:13:18.042 --> 00:13:18.710
  • RIGHT AT THAT PLACE.- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:13:18.710 --> 00:13:19.744
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: I WAS WORKING IN
  • 00:13:19.744 --> 00:13:20.678
  • - JOYCE: I WAS WORKING INACCOUNTING.
  • 00:13:20.678 --> 00:13:22.847
  • ACCOUNTING.AND...BACK THEN, THEY USED
  • 00:13:22.847 --> 00:13:24.582
  • AND...BACK THEN, THEY USEDBOOKKEEPING MACHINES, AND EVERY
  • 00:13:24.582 --> 00:13:25.717
  • BOOKKEEPING MACHINES, AND EVERYTIME I'D TOUCH THE THING, IT
  • 00:13:25.717 --> 00:13:26.351
  • TIME I'D TOUCH THE THING, ITWOULD BREAK DOWN.
  • 00:13:26.351 --> 00:13:26.985
  • WOULD BREAK DOWN.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:13:26.985 --> 00:13:27.552
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING TO
  • 00:13:27.552 --> 00:13:28.219
  • I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING TOBALANCE RIGHT.
  • 00:13:28.219 --> 00:13:28.853
  • BALANCE RIGHT.I MEAN, IT WAS JUST, LIKE, THE
  • 00:13:28.853 --> 00:13:31.189
  • I MEAN, IT WAS JUST, LIKE, THECRAZIEST THING.
  • 00:13:31.189 --> 00:13:32.690
  • CRAZIEST THING.AND SO, I ENDED UP GETTIN'
  • 00:13:32.690 --> 00:13:33.524
  • AND SO, I ENDED UP GETTIN'FIRED!
  • 00:13:33.524 --> 00:13:35.660
  • FIRED![LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:13:35.660 --> 00:13:36.661
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS][MATT IN FIT OF BREATHLESS
  • 00:13:36.661 --> 00:13:37.695
  • [MATT IN FIT OF BREATHLESSLAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:37.695 --> 00:13:38.529
  • LAUGHTER][MATT SNORT-LAUGHS]
  • 00:13:38.529 --> 00:13:39.163
  • [MATT SNORT-LAUGHS]BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:13:39.163 --> 00:13:39.797
  • BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?GOD MADE HIS POINT.
  • 00:13:39.797 --> 00:13:40.365
  • GOD MADE HIS POINT.[CHUCKLES]
  • 00:13:40.365 --> 00:13:41.032
  • [CHUCKLES]I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO GET A
  • 00:13:41.032 --> 00:13:41.699
  • I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO GET APART-TIME JOB SO YOU COULD
  • 00:13:41.699 --> 00:13:42.667
  • PART-TIME JOB SO YOU COULDSTILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, IN
  • 00:13:42.667 --> 00:13:43.935
  • STILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, INCASE I DON'T COME THROUGH.
  • 00:13:43.935 --> 00:13:45.270
  • CASE I DON'T COME THROUGH.- MATT: THAT IS SO FUNNY.
  • 00:13:45.270 --> 00:13:45.870
  • - MATT: THAT IS SO FUNNY.- JOYCE: I TOLD YOU TO QUIT
  • 00:13:45.870 --> 00:13:46.638
  • - JOYCE: I TOLD YOU TO QUITYOUR JOB.
  • 00:13:46.638 --> 00:13:49.707
  • YOUR JOB.AND SO...
  • 00:13:49.707 --> 00:13:50.408
  • AND SO...[MATT LAUGHING]
  • 00:13:50.408 --> 00:13:50.942
  • [MATT LAUGHING]...I DID IT AFRAID.
  • 00:13:50.942 --> 00:13:51.743
  • ...I DID IT AFRAID.I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT TO CALL
  • 00:13:51.743 --> 00:13:52.710
  • I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT TO CALLIT AT THAT POINT, BUT I WAS
  • 00:13:52.710 --> 00:13:54.579
  • IT AT THAT POINT, BUT I WASSOOOO AFRAID.
  • 00:13:54.579 --> 00:13:55.680
  • SOOOO AFRAID.I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF
  • 00:13:55.680 --> 00:13:57.048
  • I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OFEXPERIENCE WITH GOD, BUT I'M
  • 00:13:57.048 --> 00:13:58.483
  • EXPERIENCE WITH GOD, BUT I'MLIKE: WELL, WHAT IF...?
  • 00:13:58.483 --> 00:13:59.317
  • LIKE: WELL, WHAT IF...?AND WHAT IF...?
  • 00:13:59.317 --> 00:13:59.884
  • AND WHAT IF...?AND WHAT IF...?
  • 00:13:59.884 --> 00:14:01.986
  • AND WHAT IF...?I WAS SO SCARED THAT MY KNEES
  • 00:14:01.986 --> 00:14:03.821
  • I WAS SO SCARED THAT MY KNEESFELT LIKE THEY WERE GONNA
  • 00:14:03.821 --> 00:14:04.956
  • FELT LIKE THEY WERE GONNABUCKLE UNDER ME.
  • 00:14:04.956 --> 00:14:05.823
  • BUCKLE UNDER ME.- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:14:05.823 --> 00:14:06.457
  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: AND GOD SAID: YOU CAN
  • 00:14:06.457 --> 00:14:08.326
  • - JOYCE: AND GOD SAID: YOU CANEITHER BE AFRAID ALL THE TIME
  • 00:14:08.326 --> 00:14:09.460
  • EITHER BE AFRAID ALL THE TIMEAND WORRY, OR YOU CAN TRUST ME
  • 00:14:09.460 --> 00:14:10.695
  • AND WORRY, OR YOU CAN TRUST MEFOR DAILY MIRACLES.
  • 00:14:10.695 --> 00:14:12.430
  • FOR DAILY MIRACLES.- LAURIE: MMHHH, MMH...
  • 00:14:12.430 --> 00:14:14.032
  • - LAURIE: MMHHH, MMH...- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:14:14.032 --> 00:14:14.966
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND, WHEN I LOOK BACK
  • 00:14:14.966 --> 00:14:17.702
  • - JOYCE: AND, WHEN I LOOK BACKNOW...IT WAS LIKE SIX YEARS
  • 00:14:17.702 --> 00:14:21.172
  • NOW...IT WAS LIKE SIX YEARSTHAT WE NEEDED A MIRACLE FROM
  • 00:14:21.172 --> 00:14:22.807
  • THAT WE NEEDED A MIRACLE FROMGOD, BASICALLY, EVERY MONTH TO
  • 00:14:22.807 --> 00:14:24.008
  • GOD, BASICALLY, EVERY MONTH TOPAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:14:24.008 --> 00:14:26.444
  • PAY OUR BILLS.OR, IF ANYTHING EXTRA WOULD
  • 00:14:26.444 --> 00:14:28.680
  • OR, IF ANYTHING EXTRA WOULDCOME UP.
  • 00:14:28.680 --> 00:14:29.514
  • COME UP.I MEAN, I SPENT YEARS BUYING MY
  • 00:14:29.514 --> 00:14:30.548
  • I MEAN, I SPENT YEARS BUYING MYKIDS SHOES AND CLOTHES AND
  • 00:14:30.548 --> 00:14:31.983
  • KIDS SHOES AND CLOTHES ANDTHINGS AT GARAGE SALES,
  • 00:14:31.983 --> 00:14:33.117
  • THINGS AT GARAGE SALES,BECAUSE--
  • 00:14:33.117 --> 00:14:34.319
  • BECAUSE--BUT IT WAS-- IT WAS AMAZING
  • 00:14:34.319 --> 00:14:36.654
  • BUT IT WAS-- IT WAS AMAZINGWHAT I WOULD FIND AT
  • 00:14:36.654 --> 00:14:38.556
  • WHAT I WOULD FIND ATTHOSE GARAGE SALES.
  • 00:14:38.556 --> 00:14:39.190
  • THOSE GARAGE SALES.GOD MEETS YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT.
  • 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:42.961
  • GOD MEETS YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT.AND, I MEAN,
  • 00:14:42.961 --> 00:14:43.661
  • AND, I MEAN,I'D GO TO THE GROCERY STORE,
  • 00:14:43.661 --> 00:14:45.096
  • I'D GO TO THE GROCERY STORE,AND I'D DIG AROUND IN THE
  • 00:14:45.096 --> 00:14:46.998
  • AND I'D DIG AROUND IN THEDENTED-CAN BASKET; YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:46.998 --> 00:14:48.900
  • DENTED-CAN BASKET; YOU KNOW,BUY THINGS THAT HAD NO LABELS
  • 00:14:48.900 --> 00:14:50.101
  • BUY THINGS THAT HAD NO LABELSON 'EM.
  • 00:14:50.101 --> 00:14:51.936
  • ON 'EM.AND...I'D BUY DAY-OLD BREAD,
  • 00:14:51.936 --> 00:14:53.471
  • AND...I'D BUY DAY-OLD BREAD,AND I REMEMBER THE DAY GOD SAID
  • 00:14:53.471 --> 00:14:54.272
  • AND I REMEMBER THE DAY GOD SAIDTO ME: DON'T YOU THINK THAT I
  • 00:14:54.272 --> 00:14:55.206
  • TO ME: DON'T YOU THINK THAT ICAN AFFORD FOR YOU TO HAVE
  • 00:14:55.206 --> 00:14:55.974
  • CAN AFFORD FOR YOU TO HAVEFRESH BREAD?
  • 00:14:55.974 --> 00:14:57.342
  • FRESH BREAD?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:57.342 --> 00:14:58.609
  • [LAUGHS]SO, HERE, AGAIN, IT WAS THAT
  • 00:14:58.609 --> 00:14:59.944
  • SO, HERE, AGAIN, IT WAS THATSTEPPING OUT.
  • 00:14:59.944 --> 00:15:00.578
  • STEPPING OUT.I WAS DOING EVERYTHING IN FEAR.
  • 00:15:00.578 --> 00:15:01.579
  • I WAS DOING EVERYTHING IN FEAR.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:15:01.579 --> 00:15:02.814
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: I WAS TRYING TO SAVE
  • 00:15:02.814 --> 00:15:03.915
  • - JOYCE: I WAS TRYING TO SAVEMONEY EVERY PLACE THAT I COULD
  • 00:15:03.915 --> 00:15:06.217
  • MONEY EVERY PLACE THAT I COULDSAVE MONEY.
  • 00:15:06.217 --> 00:15:07.285
  • SAVE MONEY.I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOK SO
  • 00:15:07.285 --> 00:15:08.453
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOK SOLONG, BUT...
  • 00:15:08.453 --> 00:15:10.455
  • LONG, BUT...SEE, NOW-- WE NEEDED $40 A
  • 00:15:10.455 --> 00:15:12.290
  • SEE, NOW-- WE NEEDED $40 AMONTH, THEN.
  • 00:15:12.290 --> 00:15:13.424
  • MONTH, THEN.[JOYCE CHUCKLES]
  • 00:15:13.424 --> 00:15:14.225
  • [JOYCE CHUCKLES]BUT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY
  • 00:15:14.225 --> 00:15:15.193
  • BUT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEYIT TAKES TO BE ON TELEVISION
  • 00:15:15.193 --> 00:15:16.094
  • IT TAKES TO BE ON TELEVISIONALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:15:16.094 --> 00:15:18.596
  • ALL OVER THE WORLD.YOU KNOW.
  • 00:15:18.596 --> 00:15:19.230
  • YOU KNOW.YOU LOVE ME AND YOU DON'T LET
  • 00:15:19.230 --> 00:15:20.031
  • YOU LOVE ME AND YOU DON'T LETME ON YOUR NETWORK FREE.
  • 00:15:20.031 --> 00:15:21.199
  • ME ON YOUR NETWORK FREE.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:15:21.199 --> 00:15:21.632
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]YOU KNOW?
  • 00:15:21.632 --> 00:15:22.200
  • YOU KNOW?NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME--
  • 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:23.601
  • NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME--- LAURIE: I'M SORRY.
  • 00:15:23.601 --> 00:15:24.669
  • - LAURIE: I'M SORRY.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:15:24.669 --> 00:15:25.336
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]- JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST MAKIN'
  • 00:15:25.336 --> 00:15:26.537
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST MAKIN'A POINT THAT--
  • 00:15:26.537 --> 00:15:27.005
  • A POINT THAT--- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:15:27.005 --> 00:15:27.672
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: --YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA
  • 00:15:27.672 --> 00:15:28.773
  • - JOYCE: --YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTAPAY YOUR BILLS.
  • 00:15:28.773 --> 00:15:29.774
  • PAY YOUR BILLS.- LAURIE: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:15:29.774 --> 00:15:30.408
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.- JOYCE: (LAUGHING) I GOTTA
  • 00:15:30.408 --> 00:15:31.109
  • - JOYCE: (LAUGHING) I GOTTAPAY MY BILLS.
  • 00:15:31.109 --> 00:15:31.476
  • PAY MY BILLS.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:15:31.476 --> 00:15:32.243
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.YEAH.
  • 00:15:32.243 --> 00:15:32.844
  • YEAH.- JOYCE: AND...I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:15:32.844 --> 00:15:33.945
  • - JOYCE: AND...I DON'T KNOWWHAT KIND OF IDEAS THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:15:33.945 --> 00:15:35.513
  • WHAT KIND OF IDEAS THAT PEOPLEHAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL
  • 00:15:35.513 --> 00:15:36.948
  • HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPELIS FREE, BUT THE PIPELINE THAT
  • 00:15:36.948 --> 00:15:38.216
  • IS FREE, BUT THE PIPELINE THATCARRIES IT IS NOT.
  • 00:15:38.216 --> 00:15:39.584
  • - TOM NEWMAN: FRIENDS, TBN IS
  • 00:15:40.818 --> 00:15:41.819
  • - TOM NEWMAN: FRIENDS, TBN ISREACHING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE
  • 00:15:41.819 --> 00:15:43.721
  • REACHING PEOPLE ALL OVER THEWORLD WITH THIS MESSAGE OF HOPE
  • 00:15:43.721 --> 00:15:45.023
  • WORLD WITH THIS MESSAGE OF HOPETHROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:15:45.023 --> 00:15:46.991
  • THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.DURING A TRIP TO ISTANBUL,
  • 00:15:46.991 --> 00:15:47.792
  • DURING A TRIP TO ISTANBUL,TURKEY WITH MATT AND LAURIE, I
  • 00:15:47.792 --> 00:15:49.827
  • TURKEY WITH MATT AND LAURIE, IMET UP WITH REZA SAFA, THE HEAD
  • 00:15:49.827 --> 00:15:52.497
  • MET UP WITH REZA SAFA, THE HEADOF TBN NEJAT, TO WALK TO THE
  • 00:15:52.497 --> 00:15:54.365
  • OF TBN NEJAT, TO WALK TO THEDOWNTOWN MARKET DURING WHAT WAS
  • 00:15:54.365 --> 00:15:57.769
  • DOWNTOWN MARKET DURING WHAT WASA VERY POLITICALLY VOLATILE
  • 00:15:57.769 --> 00:15:59.003
  • I SUDDENLY BEGAN TO NOTICE
  • 00:16:00.304 --> 00:16:01.406
  • I SUDDENLY BEGAN TO NOTICEPEOPLE RUNNING FROM ALL
  • 00:16:01.406 --> 00:16:02.840
  • PEOPLE RUNNING FROM ALLDIRECTIONS COMING TOWARDS US.
  • 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:04.175
  • DIRECTIONS COMING TOWARDS US.I BECAME REALLY NERVOUS, AS YOU
  • 00:16:04.175 --> 00:16:06.077
  • I BECAME REALLY NERVOUS, AS YOUCAN IMAGINE.
  • 00:16:06.077 --> 00:16:08.379
  • CAN IMAGINE.BUT THEY HAD RECOGNIZED REZA,
  • 00:16:08.379 --> 00:16:09.814
  • BUT THEY HAD RECOGNIZED REZA,FROM TBN, AND WERE PASSIONATELY
  • 00:16:09.814 --> 00:16:11.716
  • FROM TBN, AND WERE PASSIONATELYSHARING THEIR TESTIMONIES AND
  • 00:16:11.716 --> 00:16:13.384
  • SHARING THEIR TESTIMONIES ANDASKING HIM FOR PRAYER, OF
  • 00:16:13.384 --> 00:16:15.353
  • ASKING HIM FOR PRAYER, OFCOURSE, WHICH HE DID,
  • 00:16:15.353 --> 00:16:16.621
  • COURSE, WHICH HE DID,COURAGEOUSLY LAYING HANDS ON
  • 00:16:16.621 --> 00:16:18.189
  • COURAGEOUSLY LAYING HANDS ONTHEM, RIGHT THERE, ON THE
  • 00:16:18.189 --> 00:16:21.259
  • THEM, RIGHT THERE, ON THECROWDED STREET OF ISTANBUL.
  • 00:16:21.259 --> 00:16:23.361
  • CROWDED STREET OF ISTANBUL.GOD MAY SOMETIME ASK EACH ONE
  • 00:16:23.361 --> 00:16:24.662
  • GOD MAY SOMETIME ASK EACH ONEOF US TO STEP OUT AND BE
  • 00:16:24.662 --> 00:16:25.963
  • OF US TO STEP OUT AND BECOURAGEOUS JUST LIKE THAT,
  • 00:16:25.963 --> 00:16:28.566
  • THAT'S WHY THIS MONTH, FOR YOUR
  • 00:16:29.867 --> 00:16:31.235
  • THAT'S WHY THIS MONTH, FOR YOURGIFT OF SUPPORT TO TBN, WE'RE
  • 00:16:31.235 --> 00:16:33.671
  • GIFT OF SUPPORT TO TBN, WE'REEXCITED TO SEND YOU
  • 00:16:33.671 --> 00:16:34.238
  • EXCITED TO SEND YOUJOYCE MEYER'S BRAND NEW BOOK
  • 00:16:34.238 --> 00:16:36.841
  • JOYCE MEYER'S BRAND NEW BOOK"DO IT AFRAID:
  • 00:16:36.841 --> 00:16:37.708
  • "DO IT AFRAID:EMBRACING COURAGE IN THE FACE
  • 00:16:37.708 --> 00:16:40.211
  • EMBRACING COURAGE IN THE FACEOF FEAR."
  • 00:16:40.211 --> 00:16:41.379
  • OF FEAR."HER TEACHING WILL HELP YOU FIND
  • 00:16:41.379 --> 00:16:43.681
  • HER TEACHING WILL HELP YOU FINDNEW INNER STRENGTH TO EMBRACE
  • 00:16:43.681 --> 00:16:45.349
  • NEW INNER STRENGTH TO EMBRACETHE FULLNESS OF WHAT GOD HAS
  • 00:16:45.349 --> 00:16:48.352
  • THE FULLNESS OF WHAT GOD HASDESTINED JUST FOR YOU.
  • 00:16:48.352 --> 00:16:49.020
  • DESTINED JUST FOR YOU.- JOYCE: GOD DOESN'T WANNA
  • 00:16:49.020 --> 00:16:50.822
  • - JOYCE: GOD DOESN'T WANNATAKE YOUR FEAR AWAY.
  • 00:16:50.822 --> 00:16:51.956
  • TAKE YOUR FEAR AWAY.HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE
  • 00:16:51.956 --> 00:16:55.993
  • HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGEWHILE YOU STILL FEEL...AFRAID.
  • 00:16:55.993 --> 00:16:56.727
  • WHILE YOU STILL FEEL...AFRAID.- TOM: AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF
  • 00:16:56.727 --> 00:16:59.497
  • - TOM: AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF$35 OR MORE, WE'RE PLEASED TO
  • 00:16:59.497 --> 00:17:00.665
  • $35 OR MORE, WE'RE PLEASED TOSEND YOU BESTSELLING AUTHOR
  • 00:17:00.665 --> 00:17:03.000
  • SEND YOU BESTSELLING AUTHORDR. CHARLES STANLEY'S NEW BOOK,
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.470
  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY'S NEW BOOK,"STANDING STRONG: HOW TO STORM-
  • 00:17:05.470 --> 00:17:06.671
  • "STANDING STRONG: HOW TO STORM-PROOF YOUR LIFE WITH GOD'S
  • 00:17:06.671 --> 00:17:08.106
  • PROOF YOUR LIFE WITH GOD'STIMELESS TRUTHS."
  • 00:17:08.106 --> 00:17:09.607
  • TIMELESS TRUTHS."YOU WILL BE INSPIRED TO STAND
  • 00:17:09.607 --> 00:17:11.275
  • YOU WILL BE INSPIRED TO STANDFIRM IN YOUR CONVICTIONS,
  • 00:17:11.275 --> 00:17:13.578
  • FIRM IN YOUR CONVICTIONS,DESPITE THE BATTLE AROUND US.
  • 00:17:13.578 --> 00:17:15.680
  • DESPITE THE BATTLE AROUND US.- DR. CHARLES STANLEY: OUR GOD
  • 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.849
  • - DR. CHARLES STANLEY: OUR GODIS BIGGER THAN THE WORLD'S SIN.
  • 00:17:17.849 --> 00:17:19.851
  • IS BIGGER THAN THE WORLD'S SIN.OUR GOD IS GREATER THAN THE
  • 00:17:19.851 --> 00:17:21.252
  • OUR GOD IS GREATER THAN THEWORLD'S KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM
  • 00:17:21.252 --> 00:17:22.220
  • WORLD'S KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOMAND UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:23.554
  • AND UNDERSTANDING.[APPLAUSE]
  • 00:17:23.554 --> 00:17:24.155
  • [APPLAUSE]- TOM: AND PLEASE REMEMBER
  • 00:17:24.155 --> 00:17:25.256
  • - TOM: AND PLEASE REMEMBERTHAT WITH YOUR TAX-DEDUCTIBLE
  • 00:17:25.256 --> 00:17:26.324
  • THAT WITH YOUR TAX-DEDUCTIBLEGIFT TO TBN, YOU NOT ONLY
  • 00:17:26.324 --> 00:17:27.792
  • GIFT TO TBN, YOU NOT ONLYRECEIVE THESE ENCOURAGING
  • 00:17:27.792 --> 00:17:28.926
  • RECEIVE THESE ENCOURAGINGRESOURCES, YOU ALSO ARE
  • 00:17:28.926 --> 00:17:30.795
  • RESOURCES, YOU ALSO AREIMPACTING THE LIVES OF PEOPLE
  • 00:17:30.795 --> 00:17:34.198
  • IMPACTING THE LIVES OF PEOPLEALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:17:34.198 --> 00:17:35.700
  • ALL OVER THE WORLD.THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP
  • 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:38.269
  • THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIPIN THE GLOBAL MINISTRY OF TBN.
  • 00:17:38.269 --> 00:17:41.639
  • IN THE GLOBAL MINISTRY OF TBN.- MATT: WE ARE SITTING...
  • 00:17:41.639 --> 00:17:42.373
  • - MATT: WE ARE SITTING...ALL ONE HOUR WITH
  • 00:17:42.373 --> 00:17:43.441
  • ALL ONE HOUR WITHJOYCE MEYER.
  • 00:17:43.441 --> 00:17:44.375
  • JOYCE MEYER.WE ARE TALKING AND UNPACKING
  • 00:17:44.375 --> 00:17:47.612
  • WE ARE TALKING AND UNPACKING"DO IT AFRAID."
  • 00:17:47.612 --> 00:17:48.513
  • "DO IT AFRAID."THIS HAPPENS TO BE OUR MONTHLY
  • 00:17:48.513 --> 00:17:52.150
  • THIS HAPPENS TO BE OUR MONTHLYRESOURCE, HERE,
  • 00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:53.050
  • RESOURCE, HERE,THIS MONTH, 2020.
  • 00:17:53.050 --> 00:17:55.553
  • THIS MONTH, 2020.AND, WE WANT YOU TO GET IT.
  • 00:17:55.553 --> 00:17:56.621
  • AND, WE WANT YOU TO GET IT.THE INFORMATION IS ON THE
  • 00:17:56.621 --> 00:17:58.289
  • THE INFORMATION IS ON THESCREEN.
  • 00:17:58.289 --> 00:17:59.524
  • SCREEN."DO IT AFRAID" IS AVAILABLE,
  • 00:17:59.524 --> 00:18:00.892
  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS AVAILABLE,RIGHT NOW, BY JUST GOING TO THE
  • 00:18:00.892 --> 00:18:02.293
  • RIGHT NOW, BY JUST GOING TO THEINFORMATION ON THE SCREEN.
  • 00:18:02.293 --> 00:18:03.895
  • INFORMATION ON THE SCREEN.SO, JOYCE, THE PIPELINE THAT
  • 00:18:03.895 --> 00:18:06.063
  • SO, JOYCE, THE PIPELINE THATCARRIES THE GOSPEL-- UM, LET
  • 00:18:06.063 --> 00:18:07.198
  • YOU WERE TELLING A STORY AND I
  • 00:18:08.966 --> 00:18:10.601
  • YOU WERE TELLING A STORY AND IJUST RELIVED A MOMENT BACK WITH
  • 00:18:10.601 --> 00:18:12.170
  • JUST RELIVED A MOMENT BACK WITHMY PARENTS.
  • 00:18:12.170 --> 00:18:13.404
  • MY PARENTS.LITERALLY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO
  • 00:18:13.404 --> 00:18:14.372
  • LITERALLY, I'M GONNA HAVE TOKIND OF PIECE IT TOGETHER.
  • 00:18:14.372 --> 00:18:16.340
  • KIND OF PIECE IT TOGETHER.BUT MY DAD, IN THE VERY EARLY
  • 00:18:16.340 --> 00:18:19.177
  • BUT MY DAD, IN THE VERY EARLYDAYS OF TBN, REMINDED ME OF THE
  • 00:18:19.177 --> 00:18:21.512
  • DAYS OF TBN, REMINDED ME OF THEWAY YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:18:21.512 --> 00:18:23.181
  • WAY YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUTYOURSELF.
  • 00:18:23.181 --> 00:18:24.482
  • YOURSELF.HE WAS VERY FRUGAL, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:18:24.482 --> 00:18:25.416
  • HE WAS VERY FRUGAL, YOU KNOW?- LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:18:25.416 --> 00:18:27.151
  • - LAURIE: MMH...- MATT: HE'D WALK BY AND FLIP
  • 00:18:27.151 --> 00:18:29.086
  • - MATT: HE'D WALK BY AND FLIPSWITCHES OFF--
  • 00:18:29.086 --> 00:18:29.921
  • SWITCHES OFF--- LAURIE: THE LIGHTS OFF.
  • 00:18:29.921 --> 00:18:31.622
  • - LAURIE: THE LIGHTS OFF.- MATT: --AND THE LIGHTS OFF,
  • 00:18:31.622 --> 00:18:32.723
  • - MATT: --AND THE LIGHTS OFF,AND HE'D, YOU KNOW--
  • 00:18:32.723 --> 00:18:33.858
  • AND HE'D, YOU KNOW--I MEAN, HE'D PICK UP SOMETHING
  • 00:18:33.858 --> 00:18:34.992
  • I MEAN, HE'D PICK UP SOMETHINGIN THE CARPET, RATHER THAN
  • 00:18:34.992 --> 00:18:35.893
  • IN THE CARPET, RATHER THANGETTIN' THE SWEEPER AND
  • 00:18:35.893 --> 00:18:37.361
  • GETTIN' THE SWEEPER ANDPLUGGIN' IT IN.
  • 00:18:37.361 --> 00:18:37.828
  • PLUGGIN' IT IN.AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS
  • 00:18:37.828 --> 00:18:38.396
  • AND, YOU KNOW, HE WASJUST SUPER FRUGAL.
  • 00:18:38.396 --> 00:18:39.063
  • JUST SUPER FRUGAL.YOU KNOW, MY DAD WAS
  • 00:18:39.063 --> 00:18:40.097
  • YOU KNOW, MY DAD WASLIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:18:40.097 --> 00:18:42.667
  • LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.BY THE TIME TBN WAS BEING
  • 00:18:42.667 --> 00:18:45.536
  • BY THE TIME TBN WAS BEINGBIRTHED, IN 1973, MY DAD
  • 00:18:45.536 --> 00:18:48.873
  • BIRTHED, IN 1973, MY DADOPERATED A SMALL LITTLE
  • 00:18:48.873 --> 00:18:50.174
  • OPERATED A SMALL LITTLEBUSINESS OUT OF OUR GARAGE --
  • 00:18:50.174 --> 00:18:51.409
  • BUSINESS OUT OF OUR GARAGE --IN FACT, A COUPLE OF 'EM -- AND
  • 00:18:51.409 --> 00:18:52.910
  • IN FACT, A COUPLE OF 'EM -- ANDHE HAD A JOB.
  • 00:18:52.910 --> 00:18:53.945
  • HE HAD A JOB.HE WAS WORKING FOR ANOTHER TV
  • 00:18:53.945 --> 00:18:54.779
  • HE WAS WORKING FOR ANOTHER TVCHANNEL.
  • 00:18:54.779 --> 00:18:56.514
  • CHANNEL.AND BY THE TIME I'M...YOU KNOW,
  • 00:18:56.514 --> 00:18:58.649
  • AND BY THE TIME I'M...YOU KNOW,10 YEARS OLD, MAYBE...MY
  • 00:18:58.649 --> 00:19:03.521
  • 10 YEARS OLD, MAYBE...MYPARENTS HAD SAVED -- BY BEING
  • 00:19:03.521 --> 00:19:06.123
  • PARENTS HAD SAVED -- BY BEINGSUPER FRUGAL, DRIVING OLD CARS,
  • 00:19:06.123 --> 00:19:07.892
  • SUPER FRUGAL, DRIVING OLD CARS,NOT HAVING A NEW CAR, ANY OF
  • 00:19:07.892 --> 00:19:10.161
  • NOT HAVING A NEW CAR, ANY OFTHAT KIND OF STUFF -- $20.000.
  • 00:19:10.161 --> 00:19:14.198
  • THAT KIND OF STUFF -- $20.000.NOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IN 1973--
  • 00:19:14.198 --> 00:19:14.799
  • NOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IN 1973--- JOYCE: THAT WAS A LOT OF
  • 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:15.600
  • - JOYCE: THAT WAS A LOT OFMONEY.
  • 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:16.167
  • MONEY.- MATT: --THAT WAS A NICE
  • 00:19:16.167 --> 00:19:17.301
  • - MATT: --THAT WAS A NICELITTLE-- THAT WAS A NICE LITTLE
  • 00:19:17.301 --> 00:19:18.336
  • LITTLE-- THAT WAS A NICE LITTLESAVINGS KIND OF THING.
  • 00:19:18.336 --> 00:19:20.638
  • SAVINGS KIND OF THING.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:19:20.638 --> 00:19:21.639
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- MATT: AND...TBN NEEDED IT.
  • 00:19:21.639 --> 00:19:25.409
  • - MATT: AND...TBN NEEDED IT.SO, HE LOANED IT TO TBN.
  • 00:19:25.409 --> 00:19:26.777
  • SO, HE LOANED IT TO TBN.HE WAS AFRAID TO GIVE IT.
  • 00:19:26.777 --> 00:19:29.647
  • HE WAS AFRAID TO GIVE IT.HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY WRAP
  • 00:19:29.647 --> 00:19:31.415
  • HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY WRAPHIS HEAD AROUND THE IDEA
  • 00:19:31.415 --> 00:19:34.485
  • HIS HEAD AROUND THE IDEATHAT WHAT THEY SPENT
  • 00:19:34.485 --> 00:19:37.321
  • THAT WHAT THEY SPENTFOR 15 YEARS OF THEIR
  • 00:19:37.321 --> 00:19:39.357
  • FOR 15 YEARS OF THEIRMARRIAGE SAVING, THAT YOU COULD
  • 00:19:39.357 --> 00:19:43.828
  • MARRIAGE SAVING, THAT YOU COULDPOSSIBLY GIVE IT.
  • 00:19:43.828 --> 00:19:45.129
  • POSSIBLY GIVE IT.AND, THEY GOT TO A POINT
  • 00:19:45.129 --> 00:19:47.098
  • AND, THEY GOT TO A POINTIN TBN WHERE IT WAS KIND OF
  • 00:19:47.098 --> 00:19:48.666
  • IN TBN WHERE IT WAS KIND OFA DO-OR-DIE MOMENT,
  • 00:19:48.666 --> 00:19:49.934
  • A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT,YOU KNOW, AT THE PURCHASE OF
  • 00:19:49.934 --> 00:19:50.935
  • YOU KNOW, AT THE PURCHASE OFTHE FIRST CHANNEL.
  • 00:19:50.935 --> 00:19:51.802
  • THE FIRST CHANNEL.AND THERE WAS A-- I FORGET THE
  • 00:19:51.802 --> 00:19:52.336
  • AND THERE WAS A-- I FORGET THEEXACT TIMING.
  • 00:19:52.336 --> 00:19:54.972
  • EXACT TIMING.MY DAD IS PRAYING...WHILE
  • 00:19:54.972 --> 00:19:58.542
  • MY DAD IS PRAYING...WHILESOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING INTO
  • 00:19:58.542 --> 00:20:00.945
  • SOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING INTOTHE CAMERA, TRYING TO RAISE A
  • 00:20:00.945 --> 00:20:02.079
  • THE CAMERA, TRYING TO RAISE ALITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THE
  • 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.248
  • LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THEEARLY DAYS.
  • 00:20:04.248 --> 00:20:05.449
  • EARLY DAYS.I'M TALKIN'...EARLY 70s, NOW.
  • 00:20:05.449 --> 00:20:08.586
  • I'M TALKIN'...EARLY 70s, NOW.AND, HIS INNER MONOLOGUE WITH
  • 00:20:08.586 --> 00:20:09.854
  • AND, HIS INNER MONOLOGUE WITHGOD IS: GOD, I'VE DONE
  • 00:20:09.854 --> 00:20:14.125
  • GOD IS: GOD, I'VE DONEEVERYTHING.
  • 00:20:14.125 --> 00:20:15.026
  • EVERYTHING.I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING.
  • 00:20:15.026 --> 00:20:16.794
  • I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING.AND GOD WHISPERED TO HIM AND
  • 00:20:16.794 --> 00:20:17.428
  • AND GOD WHISPERED TO HIM ANDSAID: YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME THAT
  • 00:20:17.428 --> 00:20:18.963
  • SAID: YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME THATMONEY.
  • 00:20:18.963 --> 00:20:20.264
  • MONEY.YOU LOANED IT TO ME.
  • 00:20:20.264 --> 00:20:20.865
  • YOU LOANED IT TO ME.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:20:20.865 --> 00:20:21.666
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT TO ME.
  • 00:20:21.666 --> 00:20:26.871
  • YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT TO ME.AND...AND HE SAID THAT, AT THAT
  • 00:20:26.871 --> 00:20:29.040
  • AND...AND HE SAID THAT, AT THATMOMENT, HE TOOK THE MICROPHONE
  • 00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:31.242
  • MOMENT, HE TOOK THE MICROPHONEBACK, GLANCED AT MY MOM -- WHO
  • 00:20:31.242 --> 00:20:33.377
  • BACK, GLANCED AT MY MOM -- WHOWAS ON THE TELEPHONES, TRYING
  • 00:20:33.377 --> 00:20:34.812
  • WAS ON THE TELEPHONES, TRYINGTO ANSWER CALLS, IF THEY WERE
  • 00:20:34.812 --> 00:20:37.448
  • TO ANSWER CALLS, IF THEY WERECOMING IN -- AND JUST KIND OF
  • 00:20:37.448 --> 00:20:38.949
  • COMING IN -- AND JUST KIND OFWINKED AT HER, AND THEN LOOKED
  • 00:20:38.949 --> 00:20:41.719
  • WINKED AT HER, AND THEN LOOKEDINTO THE CAMERA AND-- AND SAID:
  • 00:20:41.719 --> 00:20:43.554
  • INTO THE CAMERA AND-- AND SAID:"I'VE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION
  • 00:20:43.554 --> 00:20:46.590
  • "I'VE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATIONFROM A MAN WHO LOVES CHRISTIAN
  • 00:20:46.590 --> 00:20:49.527
  • FROM A MAN WHO LOVES CHRISTIANTELEVISION VERY, VERY MUCH THAT
  • 00:20:49.527 --> 00:20:50.861
  • TELEVISION VERY, VERY MUCH THATEVERY GIFT TONIGHT WILL BE
  • 00:20:50.861 --> 00:20:52.730
  • EVERY GIFT TONIGHT WILL BEMATCHED UP TO $20.000.
  • 00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:54.298
  • MATCHED UP TO $20.000.IT'LL BE A GIFT.
  • 00:20:54.298 --> 00:20:55.666
  • IT'LL BE A GIFT.SO, WHATEVER YOU GIVE IS GONNA
  • 00:20:55.666 --> 00:20:57.068
  • SO, WHATEVER YOU GIVE IS GONNABE DOUBLED."
  • 00:20:57.068 --> 00:20:58.602
  • BE DOUBLED."AND THAT WAS HIS MONEY.
  • 00:20:58.602 --> 00:21:00.004
  • AND THAT WAS HIS MONEY.MY MOM'S SITTIN' BACK ON THE
  • 00:21:00.004 --> 00:21:01.472
  • MY MOM'S SITTIN' BACK ON THEPHONE GOING: "I CAN'T BELIEVE--
  • 00:21:01.472 --> 00:21:02.540
  • PHONE GOING: "I CAN'T BELIEVE--THIS IS-- THIS IS REALLY GOD."
  • 00:21:02.540 --> 00:21:04.008
  • THIS IS-- THIS IS REALLY GOD."BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT MY DAD'S
  • 00:21:04.008 --> 00:21:05.976
  • BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT MY DAD'SNATURE.
  • 00:21:05.976 --> 00:21:06.544
  • NATURE.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:06.544 --> 00:21:07.244
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:07.244 --> 00:21:08.012
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: HE COULDN'T DO THAT,
  • 00:21:08.012 --> 00:21:08.679
  • - MATT: HE COULDN'T DO THAT,BACK THEN.
  • 00:21:08.679 --> 00:21:09.647
  • BACK THEN.AND HE GOT GOOD AT IT
  • 00:21:09.647 --> 00:21:12.550
  • AND HE GOT GOOD AT ITIN HIS OLD AGE AND WAS
  • 00:21:12.550 --> 00:21:13.584
  • IN HIS OLD AGE AND WASGIVING MOST OF HIS SALARY AWAY,
  • 00:21:13.584 --> 00:21:14.452
  • GIVING MOST OF HIS SALARY AWAY,AT THE END.
  • 00:21:14.452 --> 00:21:16.787
  • AT THE END.BUT, BASICALLY, THAT WAS A
  • 00:21:16.787 --> 00:21:18.189
  • BUT, BASICALLY, THAT WAS ABREAKING POINT IN TBN THAT
  • 00:21:18.189 --> 00:21:21.325
  • BREAKING POINT IN TBN THATCHANGED--
  • 00:21:21.325 --> 00:21:22.727
  • CHANGED--BUT HE HAD TO DO THAT AFRAID.
  • 00:21:22.727 --> 00:21:23.327
  • BUT HE HAD TO DO THAT AFRAID.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:21:23.327 --> 00:21:24.462
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: AND IT WAS LITERALLY
  • 00:21:24.462 --> 00:21:27.131
  • - MATT: AND IT WAS LITERALLYLIKE LIGHTING THE FUSE TO WATCH
  • 00:21:27.131 --> 00:21:30.701
  • LIKE LIGHTING THE FUSE TO WATCHTBN GO FROM ONE LITTLE TV
  • 00:21:30.701 --> 00:21:33.003
  • TBN GO FROM ONE LITTLE TVSTATION IN LOS ANGELES TO
  • 00:21:33.003 --> 00:21:34.338
  • STATION IN LOS ANGELES TO31 DIFFERENT NETWORKS IN
  • 00:21:34.338 --> 00:21:35.373
  • 31 DIFFERENT NETWORKS IN17 LANGUAGES AROUND THE
  • 00:21:35.373 --> 00:21:36.507
  • 17 LANGUAGES AROUND THEWORLD...
  • 00:21:36.507 --> 00:21:37.575
  • WORLD...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:21:37.575 --> 00:21:38.509
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: ...AS WE SIT HERE 45
  • 00:21:38.509 --> 00:21:39.410
  • - MATT: ...AS WE SIT HERE 45YEARS LATER, ALMOST 50 YEARS
  • 00:21:39.410 --> 00:21:40.611
  • YEARS LATER, ALMOST 50 YEARSLATER, NOW.
  • 00:21:40.611 --> 00:21:42.580
  • LATER, NOW.SOME OF US GREW UP IN THIS.
  • 00:21:42.580 --> 00:21:43.481
  • SOME OF US GREW UP IN THIS.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:43.481 --> 00:21:44.582
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: THERE'S SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:21:44.582 --> 00:21:48.152
  • - MATT: THERE'S SOME PEOPLETHAT THIS IS GENERATION ONE,
  • 00:21:48.152 --> 00:21:49.420
  • THAT THIS IS GENERATION ONE,ZERO.
  • 00:21:49.420 --> 00:21:50.988
  • ZERO.THEY CAME FROM...HORRIBLE
  • 00:21:50.988 --> 00:21:52.490
  • THEY CAME FROM...HORRIBLESITUATIONS, AND-- AND-- LIKE
  • 00:21:52.490 --> 00:21:53.190
  • SITUATIONS, AND-- AND-- LIKEYOU DID.
  • 00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:55.092
  • YOU DID.GOD HAD TO REACH DOWN, JOYCE,
  • 00:21:55.092 --> 00:21:56.360
  • GOD HAD TO REACH DOWN, JOYCE,AND REALLY JUST START
  • 00:21:56.360 --> 00:21:58.963
  • AND REALLY JUST STARTDEVELOPING YOU AS A PERSON...
  • 00:21:58.963 --> 00:21:59.497
  • DEVELOPING YOU AS A PERSON...- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:21:59.497 --> 00:22:00.598
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.- MATT: ...FROM-- FROM
  • 00:22:00.598 --> 00:22:01.132
  • - MATT: ...FROM-- FROMSCRATCH.
  • 00:22:01.132 --> 00:22:01.966
  • SCRATCH.- JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS THE
  • 00:22:01.966 --> 00:22:03.434
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS THELEAST LIKELY PERSON IN THE
  • 00:22:03.434 --> 00:22:04.335
  • LEAST LIKELY PERSON IN THEWHOLE WORLD TO BE CALLED TO DO
  • 00:22:04.335 --> 00:22:05.803
  • WHOLE WORLD TO BE CALLED TO DOWHAT I WAS DOING.
  • 00:22:05.803 --> 00:22:07.037
  • WHAT I WAS DOING.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:22:07.037 --> 00:22:08.172
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: THE ONLY THING THAT I
  • 00:22:08.172 --> 00:22:09.473
  • - JOYCE: THE ONLY THING THAT IHAD GOING FOR ME WAS I-- I
  • 00:22:09.473 --> 00:22:10.708
  • HAD GOING FOR ME WAS I-- IREALLY DID LOVE GOD.
  • 00:22:10.708 --> 00:22:11.842
  • REALLY DID LOVE GOD.[MATT CHUCKLES]
  • 00:22:11.842 --> 00:22:13.210
  • [MATT CHUCKLES]AND I REALLY COULD TALK.
  • 00:22:13.210 --> 00:22:15.346
  • AND I REALLY COULD TALK.[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:22:15.346 --> 00:22:16.247
  • [ALL LAUGHING]I JUST NEEDED TO LEARN HOW TO
  • 00:22:16.247 --> 00:22:18.082
  • I JUST NEEDED TO LEARN HOW TOTALK THE RIGHT WAY.
  • 00:22:18.082 --> 00:22:19.116
  • TALK THE RIGHT WAY.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:22:19.116 --> 00:22:20.317
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, REALLY,
  • 00:22:20.317 --> 00:22:20.851
  • - JOYCE: AND, REALLY,WHEN I LOOK BACK, WHAT
  • 00:22:20.851 --> 00:22:22.753
  • WHEN I LOOK BACK, WHATGOD HAS--
  • 00:22:22.753 --> 00:22:25.055
  • GOD HAS--WHAT I'VE DONE --
  • 00:22:25.055 --> 00:22:25.756
  • WHAT I'VE DONE --BUT I KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE IT
  • 00:22:25.756 --> 00:22:26.357
  • BUT I KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ITWITHOUT GOD --
  • 00:22:26.357 --> 00:22:29.160
  • WITHOUT GOD --IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:29.894
  • IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.- MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:29.894 --> 00:22:30.861
  • - MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: THERE'S NO WAY THAT I
  • 00:22:30.861 --> 00:22:32.863
  • - JOYCE: THERE'S NO WAY THAT ICOULD BE ON TV IN TWO-THIRDS OF
  • 00:22:32.863 --> 00:22:34.231
  • COULD BE ON TV IN TWO-THIRDS OFTHE WORLD IN OVER A HUNDRED
  • 00:22:34.231 --> 00:22:35.332
  • THE WORLD IN OVER A HUNDREDLANGUAGES AND SIT HERE
  • 00:22:35.332 --> 00:22:38.202
  • LANGUAGES AND SIT HEREAND SAY WE HAVE NO DEBT
  • 00:22:38.202 --> 00:22:42.573
  • AND SAY WE HAVE NO DEBTIF IT WASN'T GOD.
  • 00:22:42.573 --> 00:22:44.208
  • IF IT WASN'T GOD.I MEAN, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
  • 00:22:44.208 --> 00:22:44.875
  • I MEAN, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.I MEAN, IN THE NATURAL, I'M NOT
  • 00:22:44.875 --> 00:22:45.443
  • I MEAN, IN THE NATURAL, I'M NOTEVEN THAT SMART.
  • 00:22:45.443 --> 00:22:46.076
  • EVEN THAT SMART.- LAURIE: SO, IT SHOCKS YOU?
  • 00:22:46.076 --> 00:22:47.011
  • - LAURIE: SO, IT SHOCKS YOU?- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:22:47.011 --> 00:22:48.112
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.- LAURIE: IT SHOCKED
  • 00:22:48.112 --> 00:22:49.413
  • - LAURIE: IT SHOCKEDPAPA AND MOM WHEN WE LOOKED
  • 00:22:49.413 --> 00:22:50.815
  • PAPA AND MOM WHEN WE LOOKEDAT TBN AND JUST WENT:
  • 00:22:50.815 --> 00:22:51.949
  • AT TBN AND JUST WENT:WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED?
  • 00:22:51.949 --> 00:22:52.450
  • WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED?- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:22:52.450 --> 00:22:53.117
  • - MATT: YEAH.- LAURIE: IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE
  • 00:22:53.117 --> 00:22:54.084
  • - LAURIE: IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLEWHAT GOD HAS DONE.
  • 00:22:54.084 --> 00:22:55.085
  • WHAT GOD HAS DONE.- JOYCE: BUT YOU DO--
  • 00:22:55.085 --> 00:22:56.520
  • - JOYCE: BUT YOU DO--- LAURIE: BUT YOU WERE USABLE.
  • 00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:57.621
  • - LAURIE: BUT YOU WERE USABLE.(LAUGHING) AND YOU WERE AFRAID.
  • 00:22:57.621 --> 00:22:59.323
  • (LAUGHING) AND YOU WERE AFRAID.BUT THE FEAR OF THE LORD WAS
  • 00:22:59.323 --> 00:23:01.292
  • BUT THE FEAR OF THE LORD WASGREATER THAN YOUR OWN FEAR.
  • 00:23:01.292 --> 00:23:02.126
  • GREATER THAN YOUR OWN FEAR.- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:23:02.126 --> 00:23:02.693
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:23:02.693 --> 00:23:03.260
  • AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.- MATT: GOOD.
  • 00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:04.195
  • - MATT: GOOD.- JOYCE: MY FEAR OF DISOBEYING
  • 00:23:04.195 --> 00:23:04.662
  • - JOYCE: MY FEAR OF DISOBEYINGGOD.
  • 00:23:04.662 --> 00:23:05.229
  • GOD.AND I WASN'T AFRAID LIKE HE
  • 00:23:05.229 --> 00:23:06.697
  • AND I WASN'T AFRAID LIKE HEWOULD HURT ME.
  • 00:23:06.697 --> 00:23:07.331
  • WOULD HURT ME.I JUST-- I DIDN'T WANNA
  • 00:23:07.331 --> 00:23:08.299
  • I JUST-- I DIDN'T WANNADISAPPOINT HIM.
  • 00:23:08.299 --> 00:23:09.400
  • DISAPPOINT HIM.- LAURIE: RIGHT-- EXACTLY.
  • 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:10.334
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT-- EXACTLY.- JOYCE: SEE, WHEN YOU REALLY
  • 00:23:10.334 --> 00:23:11.335
  • - JOYCE: SEE, WHEN YOU REALLYLOVE GOD--
  • 00:23:11.335 --> 00:23:12.903
  • LOVE GOD--I MEAN, REALLY LOVE HIM...
  • 00:23:12.903 --> 00:23:14.238
  • I MEAN, REALLY LOVE HIM...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:14.238 --> 00:23:14.839
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: JESUS SAID IF YOU
  • 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:15.406
  • - JOYCE: JESUS SAID IF YOULOVE ME, YOU'LL OBEY ME.
  • 00:23:15.406 --> 00:23:17.107
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, HE DID NOT
  • 00:23:18.809 --> 00:23:19.610
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, HE DID NOTSAY: IF YOU LOVE ME-- IF YOU
  • 00:23:19.610 --> 00:23:20.744
  • SAY: IF YOU LOVE ME-- IF YOUOBEY ME, I WILL LOVE YOU.
  • 00:23:20.744 --> 00:23:21.512
  • OBEY ME, I WILL LOVE YOU.HE ALREADY LOVES US.
  • 00:23:21.512 --> 00:23:22.112
  • HE ALREADY LOVES US.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:22.112 --> 00:23:23.481
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: BUT, THE PROOF OF OUR
  • 00:23:23.481 --> 00:23:24.882
  • - JOYCE: BUT, THE PROOF OF OURLOVE FOR GOD IS NOT JUST A FEW
  • 00:23:24.882 --> 00:23:26.517
  • LOVE FOR GOD IS NOT JUST A FEWLOOSE WORDS, EVERY NOW AND
  • 00:23:26.517 --> 00:23:27.218
  • LOOSE WORDS, EVERY NOW ANDTHEN.
  • 00:23:27.218 --> 00:23:29.920
  • THEN.IT'S: ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT
  • 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.424
  • IT'S: ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHATGOD...TELLS YOU TO DO?
  • 00:23:33.424 --> 00:23:35.125
  • GOD...TELLS YOU TO DO?AND, WE DON'T HEAR-- WE DON'T
  • 00:23:35.125 --> 00:23:36.260
  • AND, WE DON'T HEAR-- WE DON'THEAR ENOUGH ABOUT OBEDIENCE.
  • 00:23:36.260 --> 00:23:39.029
  • HEAR ENOUGH ABOUT OBEDIENCE.SADLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:23:39.029 --> 00:23:40.564
  • SADLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'TEVEN LIKE THOSE KIND
  • 00:23:40.564 --> 00:23:41.799
  • EVEN LIKE THOSE KINDOF MESSAGES, ANYMORE.
  • 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:42.766
  • OF MESSAGES, ANYMORE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:42.766 --> 00:23:44.468
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, EVEN AS
  • 00:23:44.468 --> 00:23:45.803
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, EVEN ASAN AUTHOR -- AND I UNDERSTAND
  • 00:23:45.803 --> 00:23:47.004
  • AN AUTHOR -- AND I UNDERSTANDOUR PUBLISHERS NEED TO
  • 00:23:47.004 --> 00:23:48.739
  • OUR PUBLISHERS NEED TODO THIS --
  • 00:23:48.739 --> 00:23:50.574
  • DO THIS --EVERY TITLE...
  • 00:23:50.574 --> 00:23:51.575
  • EVERY TITLE...EVERY TITLE HAS TO HAVE
  • 00:23:51.575 --> 00:23:53.210
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:23:54.578 --> 00:23:55.412
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:23:55.412 --> 00:23:56.380
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKEIF YOU'RE NOT PROMISING THE
  • 00:23:56.380 --> 00:23:57.815
  • IF YOU'RE NOT PROMISING THEREADER SOMETHING, THEN THEY'RE
  • 00:23:57.815 --> 00:23:59.216
  • READER SOMETHING, THEN THEY'RENOT GOING TO...READ YOUR BOOK.
  • 00:23:59.216 --> 00:23:59.817
  • NOT GOING TO...READ YOUR BOOK.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:23:59.817 --> 00:24:01.185
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND...I-I JUST WISH
  • 00:24:01.185 --> 00:24:03.187
  • - JOYCE: AND...I-I JUST WISHTHAT-- I MEAN, I WISH YOU COULD
  • 00:24:03.187 --> 00:24:05.389
  • THAT-- I MEAN, I WISH YOU COULDWRITE A BOOK ON DYING TO SELF
  • 00:24:05.389 --> 00:24:06.423
  • WRITE A BOOK ON DYING TO SELFAND...(LAUGHING)...AND PEOPLE
  • 00:24:06.423 --> 00:24:07.458
  • AND...(LAUGHING)...AND PEOPLEWOULD...WOULD BUY IT.
  • 00:24:07.458 --> 00:24:08.726
  • WOULD...WOULD BUY IT.OR ON THE REVERENTIAL
  • 00:24:08.726 --> 00:24:10.027
  • OR ON THE REVERENTIALFEAR OF GOD...
  • 00:24:10.027 --> 00:24:10.828
  • FEAR OF GOD...- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:24:10.828 --> 00:24:11.462
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...AND PEOPLE WOULD
  • 00:24:11.462 --> 00:24:12.496
  • - JOYCE: ...AND PEOPLE WOULDJUST BUY THEM IN DROVES.
  • 00:24:12.496 --> 00:24:13.430
  • JUST BUY THEM IN DROVES.BECAUSE THE THINGS WE REALLY
  • 00:24:13.430 --> 00:24:14.465
  • BECAUSE THE THINGS WE REALLYNEED...
  • 00:24:14.465 --> 00:24:15.032
  • NEED...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:24:15.032 --> 00:24:15.799
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...WE SEEM TO BE
  • 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:17.868
  • - JOYCE: ...WE SEEM TO BETRYING...TO AVOID.
  • 00:24:17.868 --> 00:24:18.602
  • TRYING...TO AVOID.- LAURIE: HOW DO WE KNOW
  • 00:24:18.602 --> 00:24:20.671
  • - LAURIE: HOW DO WE KNOWTHE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
  • 00:24:20.671 --> 00:24:22.673
  • THE DIFFERENCE BETWEENTHE FEAR,
  • 00:24:22.673 --> 00:24:23.741
  • THE FEAR,BETWEEN FEAR AND PRESSING
  • 00:24:23.741 --> 00:24:25.543
  • BETWEEN FEAR AND PRESSINGTHROUGH,
  • 00:24:25.543 --> 00:24:27.244
  • THROUGH,AND FEAR THAT ALERTS US
  • 00:24:27.244 --> 00:24:29.280
  • AND FEAR THAT ALERTS USAS A WARNING?
  • 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:30.681
  • AS A WARNING?- JOYCE: THE KIND OF THING I'M
  • 00:24:30.681 --> 00:24:32.516
  • - JOYCE: THE KIND OF THING I'MTALKING ABOUT IS...THIS IS
  • 00:24:32.516 --> 00:24:34.218
  • TALKING ABOUT IS...THIS ISEITHER SOMETHING THAT YOU
  • 00:24:34.218 --> 00:24:35.920
  • EITHER SOMETHING THAT YOUREALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO --
  • 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:37.054
  • REALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO --LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT A
  • 00:24:37.054 --> 00:24:39.323
  • LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT AGOOD SWIMMER.
  • 00:24:39.323 --> 00:24:40.090
  • GOOD SWIMMER.I ALMOST DROWNED WHEN I WAS A
  • 00:24:40.090 --> 00:24:41.659
  • I ALMOST DROWNED WHEN I WAS AKID, AND SO, I'M...I WOULD BE
  • 00:24:41.659 --> 00:24:45.996
  • KID, AND SO, I'M...I WOULD BEAFRAID OF DEEP WATER.
  • 00:24:45.996 --> 00:24:47.498
  • AFRAID OF DEEP WATER.AND I HAVE NO DESIRE TO BECOME
  • 00:24:47.498 --> 00:24:49.733
  • AND I HAVE NO DESIRE TO BECOMEA GREAT SWIMMER.
  • 00:24:49.733 --> 00:24:50.601
  • A GREAT SWIMMER.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:24:50.601 --> 00:24:52.136
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.THAT'S OVER.
  • 00:24:52.136 --> 00:24:52.670
  • THAT'S OVER.- JOYCE: SO STAY OUT OF
  • 00:24:52.670 --> 00:24:54.805
  • - JOYCE: SO STAY OUT OFDEEP WATER.
  • 00:24:54.805 --> 00:24:55.806
  • DEEP WATER.I STAY OUT OF ALL WATER, NOW,
  • 00:24:55.806 --> 00:25:00.044
  • I STAY OUT OF ALL WATER, NOW,BUT WHEN I USED TO GO SWIMMING
  • 00:25:00.044 --> 00:25:02.980
  • BUT WHEN I USED TO GO SWIMMINGAND SWIM WITH MY KIDS AND STUFF.
  • 00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:04.381
  • AND SWIM WITH MY KIDS AND STUFF.NOW, IF I REALLY WANTED TO
  • 00:25:04.381 --> 00:25:05.816
  • NOW, IF I REALLY WANTED TOSWIM, IT WAS REALLY A DESIRE IN
  • 00:25:05.816 --> 00:25:06.584
  • SWIM, IT WAS REALLY A DESIRE INMY HEART, THEN I SHOULD NOT LET
  • 00:25:06.584 --> 00:25:10.688
  • MY HEART, THEN I SHOULD NOT LETFEAR STOP ME.
  • 00:25:10.688 --> 00:25:12.389
  • FEAR STOP ME.BUT, WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE
  • 00:25:12.389 --> 00:25:13.757
  • BUT, WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLEYOU HAVE TO GO CLIMB A MOUNTAIN
  • 00:25:13.757 --> 00:25:15.960
  • YOU HAVE TO GO CLIMB A MOUNTAINTO PROVE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.
  • 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.760
  • TO PROVE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.- LAURIE: OR JUMP OFF A--
  • 00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:18.963
  • - LAURIE: OR JUMP OFF A--- JOYCE: OR JUMP OFF
  • 00:25:18.963 --> 00:25:19.496
  • - JOYCE: OR JUMP OFFA BRIDGE INTO DEEP
  • 00:25:19.496 --> 00:25:20.064
  • A BRIDGE INTO DEEPWATER TO PROVE YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:25:20.064 --> 00:25:20.497
  • WATER TO PROVE YOU'RE NOTAFRAID.
  • 00:25:20.497 --> 00:25:21.098
  • AFRAID.THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING
  • 00:25:21.098 --> 00:25:21.865
  • THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THINGI'M TALKIN' ABOUT.
  • 00:25:21.865 --> 00:25:22.366
  • I'M TALKIN' ABOUT.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:25:22.366 --> 00:25:23.133
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I'M TALKIN' ABOUT:
  • 00:25:23.133 --> 00:25:24.168
  • - JOYCE: I'M TALKIN' ABOUT:DON'T LET THE DEVIL STEAL
  • 00:25:24.168 --> 00:25:24.935
  • DON'T LET THE DEVIL STEALYOUR LIFE...
  • 00:25:24.935 --> 00:25:25.669
  • YOUR LIFE...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:25:25.669 --> 00:25:26.904
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THROUGH FEAR.
  • 00:25:26.904 --> 00:25:27.538
  • - JOYCE: ...THROUGH FEAR.IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU
  • 00:25:27.538 --> 00:25:29.273
  • IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOUREALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO, OR
  • 00:25:29.273 --> 00:25:30.975
  • REALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO, ORESPECIALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT,
  • 00:25:30.975 --> 00:25:32.676
  • ESPECIALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT,PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING,
  • 00:25:32.676 --> 00:25:34.912
  • PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING,DOING THE THINGS THAT GOD TELLS
  • 00:25:34.912 --> 00:25:36.513
  • DOING THE THINGS THAT GOD TELLSYOU TO DO-- TALK ABOUT GIVING.
  • 00:25:36.513 --> 00:25:40.884
  • YOU TO DO-- TALK ABOUT GIVING.HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT GOD
  • 00:25:40.884 --> 00:25:42.953
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT GODWANTS THEM TO GIVE SOMETHING
  • 00:25:42.953 --> 00:25:44.688
  • WANTS THEM TO GIVE SOMETHINGAWAY, OR TO DO SOMETHING FOR
  • 00:25:44.688 --> 00:25:46.523
  • AWAY, OR TO DO SOMETHING FORSOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THEY'RE
  • 00:25:46.523 --> 00:25:48.425
  • SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THEY'REAFRAID THAT THEIR NEEDS WON'T
  • 00:25:48.425 --> 00:25:50.527
  • AFRAID THAT THEIR NEEDS WON'TBE MET, AND SO THEY
  • 00:25:50.527 --> 00:25:51.228
  • BE MET, AND SO THEYWON'T DO IT?
  • 00:25:51.228 --> 00:25:53.130
  • WON'T DO IT?I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO START
  • 00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:55.265
  • I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO STARTGIVING, DOING IT AFRAID.
  • 00:25:55.265 --> 00:25:56.133
  • GIVING, DOING IT AFRAID.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:25:56.133 --> 00:25:58.936
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE
  • 00:25:58.936 --> 00:25:59.503
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEPRINCIPLE MAKES NO SENSE.
  • 00:25:59.503 --> 00:26:00.104
  • PRINCIPLE MAKES NO SENSE.IT'S LIKE: IF YOU WANT MORE,
  • 00:26:00.104 --> 00:26:00.871
  • IT'S LIKE: IF YOU WANT MORE,YOU GOTTA GIVE AWAY SOME OF
  • 00:26:00.871 --> 00:26:01.739
  • YOU GOTTA GIVE AWAY SOME OFWHAT YOU HAVE.
  • 00:26:01.739 --> 00:26:02.673
  • WHAT YOU HAVE.IT'S TOTALLY UPSIDE DOWN FROM
  • 00:26:02.673 --> 00:26:05.909
  • IT'S TOTALLY UPSIDE DOWN FROMANYTHING YOU'VE EVER BEEN
  • 00:26:05.909 --> 00:26:07.244
  • ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER BEENTAUGHT IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:26:07.244 --> 00:26:08.512
  • TAUGHT IN THE WORLD.I USED TO HAVE SO MANY FEARS
  • 00:26:08.512 --> 00:26:09.880
  • I USED TO HAVE SO MANY FEARSCONCERNING MONEY BECAUSE I
  • 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:11.749
  • CONCERNING MONEY BECAUSE IALWAYS HAD TO TAKE CARE OF
  • 00:26:11.749 --> 00:26:13.050
  • ALWAYS HAD TO TAKE CARE OFMYSELF.
  • 00:26:13.050 --> 00:26:13.951
  • MYSELF.MY PARENTS REALLY...THEY FED ME
  • 00:26:13.951 --> 00:26:15.152
  • MY PARENTS REALLY...THEY FED MEAND THEY BOUGHT MY CLOTHES,
  • 00:26:15.152 --> 00:26:16.286
  • AND THEY BOUGHT MY CLOTHES,SENT ME TO SCHOOL, BUT, I MEAN,
  • 00:26:16.286 --> 00:26:18.088
  • SENT ME TO SCHOOL, BUT, I MEAN,MY DAD WOULDN'T BUY MY SCHOOL
  • 00:26:18.088 --> 00:26:18.922
  • MY DAD WOULDN'T BUY MY SCHOOLPICTURES, HE WOULDN'T BUY MY
  • 00:26:18.922 --> 00:26:19.723
  • PICTURES, HE WOULDN'T BUY MYSCHOOL RING.
  • 00:26:19.723 --> 00:26:22.893
  • SCHOOL RING.I MEAN, ANYTHING...THAT I
  • 00:26:22.893 --> 00:26:26.997
  • I MEAN, ANYTHING...THAT IWANTED, I HAD TO DO FOR MYSELF.
  • 00:26:26.997 --> 00:26:28.899
  • WANTED, I HAD TO DO FOR MYSELF.SO WHEN DAVE WAS WORKING --
  • 00:26:28.899 --> 00:26:29.533
  • SO WHEN DAVE WAS WORKING --I STAYED HOME FOR A FEW YEARS
  • 00:26:29.533 --> 00:26:30.434
  • I STAYED HOME FOR A FEW YEARSWHEN THE KIDS WERE LITTLE --
  • 00:26:30.434 --> 00:26:31.669
  • WHEN THE KIDS WERE LITTLE --AND, HE GOT A BONUS, A
  • 00:26:31.669 --> 00:26:32.703
  • AND, HE GOT A BONUS, ACHRISTMAS BONUS, EVERY
  • 00:26:32.703 --> 00:26:33.637
  • CHRISTMAS BONUS, EVERYYEAR AT WORK.
  • 00:26:33.637 --> 00:26:35.839
  • YEAR AT WORK.LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS A
  • 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.341
  • LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS ATHOUSAND DOLLARS.
  • 00:26:37.341 --> 00:26:38.175
  • THOUSAND DOLLARS.I MEAN, IT WASN'T A TON OF
  • 00:26:38.175 --> 00:26:39.209
  • I MEAN, IT WASN'T A TON OFMONEY, BUT IT WAS A LOT
  • 00:26:39.209 --> 00:26:39.810
  • MONEY, BUT IT WAS A LOTFOR US.
  • 00:26:39.810 --> 00:26:40.744
  • FOR US.WELL, WE WOULD PUT THAT RIGHT
  • 00:26:40.744 --> 00:26:42.312
  • WELL, WE WOULD PUT THAT RIGHTIN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT,
  • 00:26:42.312 --> 00:26:43.614
  • IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT,AND THEN, I DEPENDED ON
  • 00:26:43.614 --> 00:26:46.617
  • AND THEN, I DEPENDED ONTHAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
  • 00:26:46.617 --> 00:26:47.951
  • THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT.AND, SEE, THIS IS WHERE WE GET
  • 00:26:47.951 --> 00:26:49.019
  • AND, SEE, THIS IS WHERE WE GETINTO TROUBLE -- WHEN WE START
  • 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.955
  • INTO TROUBLE -- WHEN WE STARTDEPENDING ON WHAT WE
  • 00:26:51.955 --> 00:26:52.523
  • DEPENDING ON WHAT WECAN DO INSTEAD OF
  • 00:26:52.523 --> 00:26:54.591
  • CAN DO INSTEAD OFDEPENDING ON GOD.
  • 00:26:54.591 --> 00:26:56.093
  • DEPENDING ON GOD.AND EVERY TIME SOMETHING
  • 00:26:56.093 --> 00:26:57.361
  • AND EVERY TIME SOMETHINGHAPPENED WHERE WE HAD TO USE
  • 00:26:57.361 --> 00:26:58.562
  • HAPPENED WHERE WE HAD TO USESOME OF THAT MONEY, I WOULD
  • 00:26:58.562 --> 00:27:01.999
  • SOME OF THAT MONEY, I WOULDJUST GET IN A FIT.
  • 00:27:01.999 --> 00:27:02.533
  • JUST GET IN A FIT.I MEAN, I WOULD JUST BE:
  • 00:27:02.533 --> 00:27:03.534
  • I MEAN, I WOULD JUST BE:(IN AGGRAVATED TONE)
  • 00:27:03.534 --> 00:27:04.201
  • (IN AGGRAVATED TONE)"IT NEVER FAILS.
  • 00:27:04.201 --> 00:27:04.968
  • "IT NEVER FAILS.[MUTTERING IN AN IRRITATED
  • 00:27:04.968 --> 00:27:06.236
  • [MUTTERING IN AN IRRITATEDTONE]
  • 00:27:06.236 --> 00:27:06.804
  • TONE][LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:27:06.804 --> 00:27:07.337
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND DAVE GOT SO TIRED OF
  • 00:27:07.337 --> 00:27:07.805
  • AND DAVE GOT SO TIRED OFHEARING THAT.
  • 00:27:07.805 --> 00:27:08.672
  • HEARING THAT.HE TOLD ME ONE DAY, HE SAID,
  • 00:27:08.672 --> 00:27:10.474
  • HE TOLD ME ONE DAY, HE SAID,"GOD IS NOT GOING TO BLESS
  • 00:27:10.474 --> 00:27:12.076
  • "GOD IS NOT GOING TO BLESSUS...UNTIL YOU STOP DEPENDING
  • 00:27:12.076 --> 00:27:13.911
  • US...UNTIL YOU STOP DEPENDINGON THAT LITTLE BIT OF MONEY
  • 00:27:13.911 --> 00:27:15.012
  • ON THAT LITTLE BIT OF MONEYWE'VE GOT IN SAVINGS."
  • 00:27:15.012 --> 00:27:15.879
  • WE'VE GOT IN SAVINGS."WELL, I GOT MAD...
  • 00:27:15.879 --> 00:27:16.513
  • WELL, I GOT MAD...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:27:16.513 --> 00:27:18.148
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...AND WENT, TOOK THE MONEY OUT
  • 00:27:18.148 --> 00:27:19.349
  • ...AND WENT, TOOK THE MONEY OUTOF THE BANK AND SPENT IT ALL.
  • 00:27:19.349 --> 00:27:20.184
  • OF THE BANK AND SPENT IT ALL.[LAURIE GASPS]
  • 00:27:20.184 --> 00:27:21.051
  • [LAURIE GASPS]I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE'LL
  • 00:27:21.051 --> 00:27:22.453
  • I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE'LLJUST...(LAUGHING)...SEE WHAT
  • 00:27:22.453 --> 00:27:23.320
  • JUST...(LAUGHING)...SEE WHATGOD DOES.
  • 00:27:23.320 --> 00:27:24.388
  • GOD DOES.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:24.388 --> 00:27:25.789
  • [LAUGHTER]AND, SURE ENOUGH, HE WAS RIGHT.
  • 00:27:25.789 --> 00:27:26.824
  • AND, SURE ENOUGH, HE WAS RIGHT.[MATT LAUGHS IN OUTBURST]
  • 00:27:26.824 --> 00:27:29.159
  • [MATT LAUGHS IN OUTBURST][ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:27:29.159 --> 00:27:30.094
  • [ALL LAUGHING]- JOYCE: YOU CAN'T HAVE A
  • 00:27:30.094 --> 00:27:31.361
  • - JOYCE: YOU CAN'T HAVE ABACKUP PLAN...
  • 00:27:31.361 --> 00:27:32.296
  • BACKUP PLAN...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:27:32.296 --> 00:27:32.996
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND ALSO HAVE
  • 00:27:32.996 --> 00:27:33.797
  • - JOYCE: ...AND ALSO HAVEGOD'S PLAN.
  • 00:27:33.797 --> 00:27:34.298
  • GOD'S PLAN.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:27:34.298 --> 00:27:34.998
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE
  • 00:27:34.998 --> 00:27:35.599
  • - JOYCE: I'M NOT SUGGESTING WEDON'T SAVE MONEY.
  • 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:36.266
  • DON'T SAVE MONEY.WE SAVE MONEY, NOW.
  • 00:27:36.266 --> 00:27:36.800
  • WE SAVE MONEY, NOW.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:27:36.800 --> 00:27:37.434
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I THINK IT'S WISE TO
  • 00:27:37.434 --> 00:27:37.735
  • - JOYCE: I THINK IT'S WISE TOSAVE MONEY.
  • 00:27:37.735 --> 00:27:38.802
  • SAVE MONEY.BUT I WAS DOING IT OUT OF FEAR.
  • 00:27:38.802 --> 00:27:39.336
  • BUT I WAS DOING IT OUT OF FEAR.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:27:39.336 --> 00:27:40.070
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU
  • 00:27:40.070 --> 00:27:40.971
  • - JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, YOUWERE TALKING ABOUT BEING
  • 00:27:40.971 --> 00:27:41.505
  • WERE TALKING ABOUT BEINGFRUGAL.
  • 00:27:41.505 --> 00:27:42.606
  • FRUGAL.WELL, I WAS WAY BEYOND
  • 00:27:42.606 --> 00:27:43.941
  • WELL, I WAS WAY BEYONDFRUGAL...
  • 00:27:43.941 --> 00:27:44.408
  • FRUGAL...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:27:44.408 --> 00:27:45.309
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND GOD HAD TO
  • 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:46.410
  • - JOYCE: ...AND GOD HAD TOTELL ME ONE DAY, HE SAID:
  • 00:27:46.410 --> 00:27:47.811
  • TELL ME ONE DAY, HE SAID:YOU HAVE A CHEAP SPIRIT.
  • 00:27:47.811 --> 00:27:48.846
  • YOU HAVE A CHEAP SPIRIT.SOME OF IT WASN'T WISE.
  • 00:27:48.846 --> 00:27:49.980
  • SOME OF IT WASN'T WISE.I MEAN, I WOULD DRIVE ALL OVER
  • 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:51.415
  • I MEAN, I WOULD DRIVE ALL OVERTOWN, TRYING TO GET A DISCOUNT
  • 00:27:51.415 --> 00:27:54.284
  • TOWN, TRYING TO GET A DISCOUNTON A PAIR OF SHOES, AND I WOULD
  • 00:27:54.284 --> 00:27:55.853
  • ON A PAIR OF SHOES, AND I WOULDSPEND MORE IN GAS--
  • 00:27:55.853 --> 00:27:56.520
  • SPEND MORE IN GAS--- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) AND SPEND
  • 00:27:56.520 --> 00:27:56.954
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) AND SPENDMORE GAS.
  • 00:27:56.954 --> 00:27:57.521
  • MORE GAS.- JOYCE: --AND TIME THAN I
  • 00:27:57.521 --> 00:27:58.856
  • - JOYCE: --AND TIME THAN IWOULD HAVE SPENT IF I WOULD
  • 00:27:58.856 --> 00:27:59.590
  • WOULD HAVE SPENT IF I WOULDHAVE PAID THE EXTRA--
  • 00:27:59.590 --> 00:28:00.524
  • HAVE PAID THE EXTRA--SO, YOUR THINKING CAN GET
  • 00:28:00.524 --> 00:28:01.592
  • SO, YOUR THINKING CAN GETREALLY...MESSED UP...
  • 00:28:01.592 --> 00:28:02.192
  • REALLY...MESSED UP...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:28:02.192 --> 00:28:02.826
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...WHEN YOU GET OVER
  • 00:28:02.826 --> 00:28:05.662
  • AND, I MEAN, BIG STEPS OF FAITH
  • 00:28:07.965 --> 00:28:09.366
  • AND, I MEAN, BIG STEPS OF FAITHFOR ME WAS LIKE-- I MEAN,
  • 00:28:09.366 --> 00:28:10.734
  • FOR ME WAS LIKE-- I MEAN,GOD CHALLENGED ME TO GO
  • 00:28:10.734 --> 00:28:12.002
  • GOD CHALLENGED ME TO GOIN A STORE WHERE I KNEW IT
  • 00:28:12.002 --> 00:28:15.105
  • IN A STORE WHERE I KNEW ITWASN'T A SUPER-EXPENSIVE STORE
  • 00:28:15.105 --> 00:28:17.474
  • WASN'T A SUPER-EXPENSIVE STORETHAT I COULD...PROBABLY AFFORD
  • 00:28:17.474 --> 00:28:19.710
  • THAT I COULD...PROBABLY AFFORDMOST ANYTHING IN THAT STORE,
  • 00:28:19.710 --> 00:28:22.713
  • MOST ANYTHING IN THAT STORE,AND CHALLENGE ME TO FIND WHAT I
  • 00:28:22.713 --> 00:28:24.381
  • AND CHALLENGE ME TO FIND WHAT IWANTED, AND GO TO THE COUNTER
  • 00:28:24.381 --> 00:28:26.216
  • WANTED, AND GO TO THE COUNTERWITH IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE
  • 00:28:26.216 --> 00:28:28.218
  • WITH IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEPRICE TAG.
  • 00:28:28.218 --> 00:28:28.819
  • PRICE TAG.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:28:28.819 --> 00:28:29.419
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: BECAUSE I ALWAYS
  • 00:28:29.419 --> 00:28:31.054
  • - JOYCE: BECAUSE I ALWAYSSHOPPED BY THE PRICE TAG.
  • 00:28:31.054 --> 00:28:34.525
  • SHOPPED BY THE PRICE TAG.IF I LOVED IT,
  • 00:28:34.525 --> 00:28:35.225
  • IF I LOVED IT,AND THE PRICE WAS MORE
  • 00:28:35.225 --> 00:28:37.127
  • AND THE PRICE WAS MORETHAN I THOUGHT,
  • 00:28:37.127 --> 00:28:38.829
  • SO, I DIDN'T BUY WHAT I WANTED.
  • 00:28:40.164 --> 00:28:40.964
  • SO, I DIDN'T BUY WHAT I WANTED.- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:28:40.964 --> 00:28:41.865
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T
  • 00:28:41.865 --> 00:28:42.633
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'TLET GOD GIVE ME THE DESIRES OF
  • 00:28:42.633 --> 00:28:43.033
  • LET GOD GIVE ME THE DESIRES OFMY HEART.
  • 00:28:43.033 --> 00:28:44.434
  • MY HEART.BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID...TO SPEND
  • 00:28:44.434 --> 00:28:47.004
  • BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID...TO SPENDTHE MONEY.
  • 00:28:47.004 --> 00:28:49.139
  • THE MONEY.WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL-- I
  • 00:28:49.139 --> 00:28:49.807
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL-- IRESPECT MONEY.
  • 00:28:49.807 --> 00:28:51.175
  • RESPECT MONEY.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EXPECT
  • 00:28:51.175 --> 00:28:52.176
  • I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EXPECTMONEY IF WE DON'T RESPECT
  • 00:28:52.176 --> 00:28:53.443
  • MONEY IF WE DON'T RESPECTMONEY.
  • 00:28:53.443 --> 00:28:54.378
  • MONEY.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:28:54.378 --> 00:28:55.412
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND SO, I RESPECT
  • 00:28:55.412 --> 00:28:56.580
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, I RESPECTMONEY AND I DON'T WASTE MONEY.
  • 00:28:56.580 --> 00:28:59.917
  • MONEY AND I DON'T WASTE MONEY.BUT, IF I CAN AFFORD SOMETHING
  • 00:28:59.917 --> 00:29:00.684
  • BUT, IF I CAN AFFORD SOMETHINGAND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY
  • 00:29:00.684 --> 00:29:02.586
  • AND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLYWANT IT, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S
  • 00:29:02.586 --> 00:29:03.687
  • WANT IT, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'SOKAY, I DON'T GET A CHECK ABOUT
  • 00:29:03.687 --> 00:29:05.455
  • OKAY, I DON'T GET A CHECK ABOUTGETTING IT, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD
  • 00:29:05.455 --> 00:29:06.456
  • GETTING IT, THEN I'LL GO AHEADAND GET IT.
  • 00:29:06.456 --> 00:29:07.691
  • AND GET IT.BECAUSE, WHAT GOOD IS IT GOING
  • 00:29:07.691 --> 00:29:10.093
  • BECAUSE, WHAT GOOD IS IT GOINGTO DO GOD...TO GIVE YOU MONEY
  • 00:29:10.093 --> 00:29:11.128
  • TO DO GOD...TO GIVE YOU MONEYIF YOU'RE GONNA REFUSE TO USE
  • 00:29:11.128 --> 00:29:15.532
  • IF YOU'RE GONNA REFUSE TO USEANY OF IT FOR ENJOYMENT?
  • 00:29:15.532 --> 00:29:16.600
  • ANY OF IT FOR ENJOYMENT?GOD WANTS US TO ENJOY OUR
  • 00:29:16.600 --> 00:29:17.801
  • GOD WANTS US TO ENJOY OURLIVES.
  • 00:29:17.801 --> 00:29:18.702
  • LIVES.THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD
  • 00:29:18.702 --> 00:29:19.803
  • THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDHAVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT.
  • 00:29:19.803 --> 00:29:22.472
  • HAVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT.BUT...I MEAN, I HAD SO MANY
  • 00:29:22.472 --> 00:29:23.807
  • BUT...I MEAN, I HAD SO MANYFEARS BACK IN THOSE DAYS AND I
  • 00:29:23.807 --> 00:29:26.577
  • FEARS BACK IN THOSE DAYS AND IHAD SO MANY MIRACLES.
  • 00:29:26.577 --> 00:29:27.811
  • HAD SO MANY MIRACLES.AND I LOOK BACK, AND, EVERY
  • 00:29:27.811 --> 00:29:29.012
  • AND I LOOK BACK, AND, EVERYONCE IN A WHILE, I ACTUALLY
  • 00:29:29.012 --> 00:29:29.980
  • ONCE IN A WHILE, I ACTUALLYMISS THOSE DAYS.
  • 00:29:29.980 --> 00:29:32.082
  • MISS THOSE DAYS.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:29:32.082 --> 00:29:32.783
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...BECAUSE GOD DID
  • 00:29:32.783 --> 00:29:33.517
  • BECAUSE GOD DIDSO MANY AMAZING--
  • 00:29:33.517 --> 00:29:34.184
  • SO MANY AMAZING--LISTEN, I HAD A PRAYER LIST AND
  • 00:29:34.184 --> 00:29:34.718
  • LISTEN, I HAD A PRAYER LIST ANDI FOUND IT--
  • 00:29:34.718 --> 00:29:35.953
  • I FOUND IT--- LAURIE: OH, MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:29:35.953 --> 00:29:36.687
  • - LAURIE: OH, MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: --IN A BOX OF MY
  • 00:29:36.687 --> 00:29:37.654
  • - JOYCE: --IN A BOX OF MYJOURNALS, NOT LONG AGO, WHERE
  • 00:29:37.654 --> 00:29:39.389
  • JOURNALS, NOT LONG AGO, WHEREI HAD WRITTEN ON THERE:
  • 00:29:39.389 --> 00:29:45.429
  • I HAD WRITTEN ON THERE:"DEAR GOD, I NEED NEW DISHRAGS,
  • 00:29:45.429 --> 00:29:46.763
  • "DEAR GOD, I NEED NEW DISHRAGS,AND NEW WASHCLOTHS, AND A NEW
  • 00:29:46.763 --> 00:29:47.965
  • AND NEW WASHCLOTHS, AND A NEWSKILLET.
  • 00:29:47.965 --> 00:29:49.032
  • SKILLET.WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THESE
  • 00:29:49.032 --> 00:29:50.334
  • WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THESETHINGS FOR ME?"
  • 00:29:50.334 --> 00:29:51.802
  • THINGS FOR ME?"- MATT: HMH.
  • 00:29:51.802 --> 00:29:52.803
  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: AND, I'M TELLING YOU,
  • 00:29:52.803 --> 00:29:54.037
  • - JOYCE: AND, I'M TELLING YOU,AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, ONE DAY,
  • 00:29:54.037 --> 00:29:55.706
  • AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, ONE DAY,MY DOORBELL RANG, AND A LADY
  • 00:29:55.706 --> 00:29:57.007
  • MY DOORBELL RANG, AND A LADYTHAT I DIDN'T KNOW SAID-- SHE
  • 00:29:57.007 --> 00:29:58.475
  • THAT I DIDN'T KNOW SAID-- SHESAID, "I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T
  • 00:29:58.475 --> 00:29:59.710
  • SAID, "I HOPE THAT YOU DON'TTHINK THAT I'M STARK RAVING
  • 00:29:59.710 --> 00:30:01.511
  • THINK THAT I'M STARK RAVINGMAD, BUT I FELT LIKE GOD TOLD
  • 00:30:01.511 --> 00:30:02.412
  • MAD, BUT I FELT LIKE GOD TOLDME TO BRING YOU A DOZEN NEW
  • 00:30:02.412 --> 00:30:03.981
  • ME TO BRING YOU A DOZEN NEWDISH RAGS."
  • 00:30:03.981 --> 00:30:05.449
  • DISH RAGS."- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:30:05.449 --> 00:30:06.083
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: WELL, I ABOUT HAD A
  • 00:30:06.083 --> 00:30:06.817
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I ABOUT HAD AFIT.
  • 00:30:06.817 --> 00:30:07.284
  • FIT.I WAS: "AHHHHHHHH!"
  • 00:30:07.284 --> 00:30:07.851
  • I WAS: "AHHHHHHHH!"YOU KNOW: "THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:07.851 --> 00:30:08.352
  • YOU KNOW: "THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:08.352 --> 00:30:08.852
  • THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:08.852 --> 00:30:09.519
  • THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!"
  • 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:10.387
  • THAT'S GOD!"[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:30:10.387 --> 00:30:11.188
  • [LAUGHTER]AND SO, IN A LOT OF THOSE WAYS,
  • 00:30:11.188 --> 00:30:12.155
  • AND SO, IN A LOT OF THOSE WAYS,THAT WAS HOW GOD...PROVED
  • 00:30:12.155 --> 00:30:13.056
  • THAT WAS HOW GOD...PROVEDHIMSELF TO ME.
  • 00:30:13.056 --> 00:30:15.893
  • HIMSELF TO ME.BECAUSE IF GOD DIDN'T...GIVE US
  • 00:30:15.893 --> 00:30:17.561
  • BECAUSE IF GOD DIDN'T...GIVE USWHAT WE NEEDED, WE HAD NO WAY
  • 00:30:17.561 --> 00:30:18.896
  • WHAT WE NEEDED, WE HAD NO WAYOF GETTING IT.
  • 00:30:18.896 --> 00:30:20.097
  • OF GETTING IT.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:30:20.097 --> 00:30:21.064
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAD--
  • 00:30:21.064 --> 00:30:22.199
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAD--SO, WE LITERALLY LIVED ON THOSE
  • 00:30:22.199 --> 00:30:24.835
  • SO, WE LITERALLY LIVED ON THOSELITTLE...MIRACLES FROM GOD.
  • 00:30:24.835 --> 00:30:26.003
  • LITTLE...MIRACLES FROM GOD.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:30:26.003 --> 00:30:27.437
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND THAT'S WHY I'M
  • 00:30:27.437 --> 00:30:28.772
  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S WHY I'MNOT AFRAID, NOW, ABOUT THE
  • 00:30:28.772 --> 00:30:30.207
  • NOT AFRAID, NOW, ABOUT THEMONEY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
  • 00:30:30.207 --> 00:30:32.576
  • MONEY THAT WE NEED TO HAVEEVERY MONTH TO DO WHAT...GOD'S
  • 00:30:32.576 --> 00:30:35.145
  • EVERY MONTH TO DO WHAT...GOD'SCALLED US TO DO ON TELEVISION.
  • 00:30:35.145 --> 00:30:35.879
  • CALLED US TO DO ON TELEVISION.YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT IN
  • 00:30:35.879 --> 00:30:37.414
  • YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT INTRYING TO BELIEVE GOD FOR SOME
  • 00:30:37.414 --> 00:30:38.448
  • TRYING TO BELIEVE GOD FOR SOMEGREAT BIG THING IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:30:38.448 --> 00:30:39.316
  • GREAT BIG THING IF YOU DON'TEVEN KNOW HOW TO BELIEVE GOD
  • 00:30:39.316 --> 00:30:40.050
  • EVEN KNOW HOW TO BELIEVE GODFOR SOMETHING LITTLE.
  • 00:30:40.050 --> 00:30:41.051
  • FOR SOMETHING LITTLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:30:41.051 --> 00:30:41.652
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER PROBABLY
  • 00:30:41.652 --> 00:30:43.186
  • YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER PROBABLYONE OF THE BIGGEST STEPS OF
  • 00:30:43.186 --> 00:30:45.622
  • ONE OF THE BIGGEST STEPS OFFAITH WE'VE TAKEN IN OUR LIFE
  • 00:30:45.622 --> 00:30:48.825
  • FAITH WE'VE TAKEN IN OUR LIFEIS-- IS BACK IN 1995.
  • 00:30:48.825 --> 00:30:49.993
  • IS-- IS BACK IN 1995.WE MOVED FROM ORANGE COUNTY TO
  • 00:30:49.993 --> 00:30:51.862
  • WE MOVED FROM ORANGE COUNTY TOLOS ANGELES TO START AN
  • 00:30:51.862 --> 00:30:53.764
  • LOS ANGELES TO START ANENTERTAINMENT COMPANY.
  • 00:30:53.764 --> 00:30:57.100
  • ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY.AND, THAT WAS...COMPLETELY...
  • 00:30:57.100 --> 00:30:58.869
  • AND, THAT WAS...COMPLETELY...ON THE WORD OF THE LORD BY A
  • 00:30:58.869 --> 00:30:59.536
  • ON THE WORD OF THE LORD BY APROPHET SAYING, "GET YOU FOOT
  • 00:30:59.536 --> 00:31:00.737
  • PROPHET SAYING, "GET YOU FOOTIN HOLLYWOOD."
  • 00:31:00.737 --> 00:31:03.006
  • IN HOLLYWOOD."YOU WERE TALKING AWHILE AGO
  • 00:31:03.006 --> 00:31:04.408
  • YOU WERE TALKING AWHILE AGOABOUT STICKING-- JOSHUA PUTTING
  • 00:31:04.408 --> 00:31:05.876
  • ABOUT STICKING-- JOSHUA PUTTINGHIS FOOT INTO THE WATER.
  • 00:31:05.876 --> 00:31:07.210
  • HIS FOOT INTO THE WATER.THAT WAS THE WORD.
  • 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:08.578
  • THAT WAS THE WORD.IT WAS JUST: I DON'T CARE WHAT
  • 00:31:08.578 --> 00:31:10.914
  • IT WAS JUST: I DON'T CARE WHATHOUSE YOU GET, DON'T CARE ANY
  • 00:31:10.914 --> 00:31:12.249
  • HOUSE YOU GET, DON'T CARE ANYABOUT-- YOU'VE GOT TO PUT YOUR
  • 00:31:12.249 --> 00:31:13.784
  • ABOUT-- YOU'VE GOT TO PUT YOURFOOT IN HOLLYWOOD.
  • 00:31:13.784 --> 00:31:14.785
  • FOOT IN HOLLYWOOD.- JOYCE: MMH.
  • 00:31:14.785 --> 00:31:15.752
  • - JOYCE: MMH.- LAURIE: SO, IT WAS LIKE:
  • 00:31:15.752 --> 00:31:16.253
  • - LAURIE: SO, IT WAS LIKE:OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!
  • 00:31:16.253 --> 00:31:17.187
  • OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!YOU KNOW.
  • 00:31:17.187 --> 00:31:17.821
  • YOU KNOW.AND I REMEMBER WE PUT OUR FOOT
  • 00:31:17.821 --> 00:31:19.957
  • AND I REMEMBER WE PUT OUR FOOTTHERE, AND...WE HAD NOTHING.
  • 00:31:19.957 --> 00:31:21.992
  • THERE, AND...WE HAD NOTHING.[MATT SNICKERS]
  • 00:31:21.992 --> 00:31:22.492
  • [MATT SNICKERS]WE HAD NOTHING.
  • 00:31:22.492 --> 00:31:23.760
  • WE HAD NOTHING.AND I REMEMBER CALLING THIS
  • 00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:24.928
  • AND I REMEMBER CALLING THISPROPHET THAT HAD TOLD US THAT.
  • 00:31:24.928 --> 00:31:26.830
  • PROPHET THAT HAD TOLD US THAT.AND IT-- OF COURSE, WE JUST
  • 00:31:26.830 --> 00:31:28.598
  • AND IT-- OF COURSE, WE JUSTDIDN'T JUST GO ON HIS WORD.
  • 00:31:28.598 --> 00:31:30.334
  • DIDN'T JUST GO ON HIS WORD.IT WAS A-- A MULTITUDE OF
  • 00:31:30.334 --> 00:31:31.535
  • IT WAS A-- A MULTITUDE OFCOUNSEL AND ALL THAT.
  • 00:31:31.535 --> 00:31:33.270
  • COUNSEL AND ALL THAT.BUT, I REMEMBER TELLING KIM--
  • 00:31:33.270 --> 00:31:34.938
  • BUT, I REMEMBER TELLING KIM--I CALLED HIM, AND I'M JUST
  • 00:31:34.938 --> 00:31:36.039
  • I CALLED HIM, AND I'M JUSTBAWLING.
  • 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:37.007
  • BAWLING.[JOYCE CHUCKLES]
  • 00:31:37.007 --> 00:31:37.507
  • [JOYCE CHUCKLES]AND I'M GOING: "WE HAVE
  • 00:31:37.507 --> 00:31:38.709
  • AND I'M GOING: "WE HAVENOTHING.
  • 00:31:38.709 --> 00:31:40.544
  • NOTHING.WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR-- FOR OUR
  • 00:31:40.544 --> 00:31:42.379
  • WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR-- FOR OURHOUSE PAYMENT.
  • 00:31:42.379 --> 00:31:43.981
  • HOUSE PAYMENT.WE HAVE-- WE HAVE NOTHING!
  • 00:31:43.981 --> 00:31:45.549
  • WE HAVE-- WE HAVE NOTHING!AND WE'VE MOVED UP HERE.
  • 00:31:45.549 --> 00:31:46.917
  • AND WE'VE MOVED UP HERE.WE DON'T HAVE FRIENDS...
  • 00:31:46.917 --> 00:31:47.651
  • WE DON'T HAVE FRIENDS...WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING,
  • 00:31:47.651 --> 00:31:48.318
  • WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING,YOU KNOW.
  • 00:31:48.318 --> 00:31:50.220
  • YOU KNOW.WE'VE GOT TWO LITTLE BOYS."
  • 00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:52.322
  • WE'VE GOT TWO LITTLE BOYS."AND, HE SAID, "WOULD GOD HAVE
  • 00:31:52.322 --> 00:31:54.591
  • AND, HE SAID, "WOULD GOD HAVETOLD YOU TO DO IT WITHOUT
  • 00:31:54.591 --> 00:31:55.892
  • TOLD YOU TO DO IT WITHOUTSUPPLYING FOR YOU?"
  • 00:31:55.892 --> 00:31:56.660
  • SUPPLYING FOR YOU?"- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:57.728
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE: "WOULD HE HAVE TOLD
  • 00:31:57.728 --> 00:31:58.628
  • - LAURIE: "WOULD HE HAVE TOLDYOU TO CROSS THE RED SEA?
  • 00:31:58.628 --> 00:31:59.696
  • YOU TO CROSS THE RED SEA?WOULD HE HAVE TOLD-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:31:59.696 --> 00:32:01.365
  • WOULD HE HAVE TOLD-- YOU KNOW,TO-- TO PUT YOUR FOOT THERE AND
  • 00:32:01.365 --> 00:32:03.700
  • TO-- TO PUT YOUR FOOT THERE ANDTHEN HE'S GONNA JUST LEAVE
  • 00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:04.634
  • THEN HE'S GONNA JUST LEAVEYOU?"
  • 00:32:04.634 --> 00:32:06.670
  • YOU?""HE'S NOT GONNA JUST
  • 00:32:06.670 --> 00:32:07.170
  • "HE'S NOT GONNA JUSTLEAVE YOU, THERE.
  • 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:08.472
  • LEAVE YOU, THERE.HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE
  • 00:32:08.472 --> 00:32:09.573
  • HE'S GOING TO PROVIDEEVERYTHING THAT HE'S CALLED YOU
  • 00:32:09.573 --> 00:32:11.875
  • EVERYTHING THAT HE'S CALLED YOUTO DO."
  • 00:32:11.875 --> 00:32:14.177
  • - MATT: WE EXPERIENCED EXACTLY
  • 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:16.713
  • - MATT: WE EXPERIENCED EXACTLYWHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT--
  • 00:32:16.713 --> 00:32:18.148
  • WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT--- LAURIE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:32:18.148 --> 00:32:20.984
  • - LAURIE: OH, YEAH.- MATT: --IN THAT SITUATION.
  • 00:32:20.984 --> 00:32:21.918
  • - MATT: --IN THAT SITUATION.WHAT COMES TO MIND, THOUGH,
  • 00:32:21.918 --> 00:32:24.554
  • WHAT COMES TO MIND, THOUGH,IS...WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:32:24.554 --> 00:32:26.656
  • IS...WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLETHAT THINK THEY'RE GOOD
  • 00:32:26.656 --> 00:32:27.624
  • THAT THINK THEY'RE GOODSINGERS, OR THEY'RE GOOD
  • 00:32:27.624 --> 00:32:28.825
  • SINGERS, OR THEY'RE GOODENTERTAINERS...
  • 00:32:28.825 --> 00:32:29.259
  • ENTERTAINERS...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:32:29.259 --> 00:32:29.793
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...OR THEY'RE GOOD THIS,
  • 00:32:29.793 --> 00:32:30.527
  • ...OR THEY'RE GOOD THIS,OR THAT--
  • 00:32:30.527 --> 00:32:31.028
  • OR THAT--AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT
  • 00:32:31.028 --> 00:32:31.595
  • AND THEY'RE REALLY NOTYOU KNOW?
  • 00:32:31.595 --> 00:32:32.429
  • YOU KNOW?- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:32:32.429 --> 00:32:34.865
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, SOMETIMES,
  • 00:32:34.865 --> 00:32:35.866
  • - MATT: SO, SOMETIMES,SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ACTING
  • 00:32:35.866 --> 00:32:37.801
  • SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ACTINGON PRESUMPTION.
  • 00:32:37.801 --> 00:32:40.070
  • ON PRESUMPTION.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:32:40.070 --> 00:32:40.704
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: OR, YOU KNOW, SO, HOW
  • 00:32:40.704 --> 00:32:42.239
  • - MATT: OR, YOU KNOW, SO, HOWDO YOU TALK ABOUT THAT,
  • 00:32:42.239 --> 00:32:45.142
  • DO YOU TALK ABOUT THAT,IN REGARD TO, CERTAINLY,
  • 00:32:45.142 --> 00:32:48.745
  • IN REGARD TO, CERTAINLY,GOING FORWARD, BUT WITH THE
  • 00:32:48.745 --> 00:32:51.014
  • GOING FORWARD, BUT WITH THECONFIDENCE THAT GOD'S TOLD YOU
  • 00:32:51.014 --> 00:32:51.748
  • CONFIDENCE THAT GOD'S TOLD YOUAND THAT IT'S NOT SOME KIND OF
  • 00:32:51.748 --> 00:32:52.783
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I HAVE A LITTLE
  • 00:32:54.451 --> 00:32:55.185
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I HAVE A LITTLESAYING AND IT'S: STEP OUT AND
  • 00:32:55.185 --> 00:32:55.919
  • SAYING AND IT'S: STEP OUT ANDFIND OUT.
  • 00:32:55.919 --> 00:32:59.189
  • FIND OUT.SO...SOMETIMES, WE'RE JUST NOT
  • 00:32:59.189 --> 00:33:01.258
  • SO...SOMETIMES, WE'RE JUST NOTSURE.
  • 00:33:01.258 --> 00:33:02.392
  • SURE.I MEAN, WE REALLY THINK
  • 00:33:02.392 --> 00:33:06.329
  • I MEAN, WE REALLY THINKSOMETHING.
  • 00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:06.963
  • SOMETHING.BUT...EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE
  • 00:33:06.963 --> 00:33:08.498
  • BUT...EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WEDON'T HEAR FROM GOD PERFECTLY.
  • 00:33:08.498 --> 00:33:10.400
  • DON'T HEAR FROM GOD PERFECTLY.AND...PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID OF
  • 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:11.435
  • AND...PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID OFFAILURE.
  • 00:33:11.435 --> 00:33:14.037
  • FAILURE.BUT, FAILING AT SOMETHING
  • 00:33:14.037 --> 00:33:15.472
  • BUT, FAILING AT SOMETHINGAND BEING A FAILURE IS
  • 00:33:15.472 --> 00:33:17.207
  • AND BEING A FAILURE ISTWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:33:17.207 --> 00:33:19.009
  • TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.YOU ARE NEVER A FAILURE,
  • 00:33:19.009 --> 00:33:19.943
  • YOU ARE NEVER A FAILURE,AS LONG AS YOU REFUSE
  • 00:33:19.943 --> 00:33:23.280
  • AS LONG AS YOU REFUSETO QUIT.
  • 00:33:23.280 --> 00:33:24.414
  • TO QUIT.YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SUCCEED
  • 00:33:24.414 --> 00:33:25.248
  • YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SUCCEEDAT ANYTHING IF YOU'RE
  • 00:33:25.248 --> 00:33:27.417
  • AT ANYTHING IF YOU'RESO AFRAID OF FAILURE THAT YOU
  • 00:33:27.417 --> 00:33:29.686
  • SO AFRAID OF FAILURE THAT YOUWON'T TRY.
  • 00:33:29.686 --> 00:33:30.787
  • WON'T TRY.SO, I TELL PEOPLE:
  • 00:33:30.787 --> 00:33:31.721
  • SO, I TELL PEOPLE:STEP OUT AND FIND OUT.
  • 00:33:31.721 --> 00:33:33.123
  • STEP OUT AND FIND OUT.WELL, WHEN I QUIT MY JOB, IF,
  • 00:33:33.123 --> 00:33:36.827
  • WELL, WHEN I QUIT MY JOB, IF,AT THE END OF THE FIRST MONTH,
  • 00:33:36.827 --> 00:33:38.295
  • AT THE END OF THE FIRST MONTH,I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
  • 00:33:38.295 --> 00:33:39.362
  • I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TOPAY MY BILLS, I WOULD HAVE WENT
  • 00:33:39.362 --> 00:33:41.898
  • PAY MY BILLS, I WOULD HAVE WENTOUT AND GOT A JOB.
  • 00:33:41.898 --> 00:33:43.867
  • OUT AND GOT A JOB.BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOD'S WILL FOR
  • 00:33:43.867 --> 00:33:46.570
  • BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOD'S WILL FORUS TO DEFAULT ON OUR BILLS AND
  • 00:33:46.570 --> 00:33:47.938
  • US TO DEFAULT ON OUR BILLS ANDBE DISHONEST.
  • 00:33:47.938 --> 00:33:49.406
  • BE DISHONEST.AND SO, I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN
  • 00:33:49.406 --> 00:33:51.508
  • AND SO, I DON'T LIKE IT WHENPEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE BEGGIN'
  • 00:33:51.508 --> 00:33:53.710
  • PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE BEGGIN'FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME AND
  • 00:33:53.710 --> 00:33:55.045
  • FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME ANDBORROWIN' MONEY ALL THE TIME,
  • 00:33:55.045 --> 00:33:58.115
  • BORROWIN' MONEY ALL THE TIME,AND, YOU KNOW, "GOD TOLD ME TO
  • 00:33:58.115 --> 00:33:59.449
  • AND, YOU KNOW, "GOD TOLD ME TODO THIS."
  • 00:33:59.449 --> 00:34:00.016
  • DO THIS."WELL, IF GOD TELLS YOU
  • 00:34:00.016 --> 00:34:01.351
  • WELL, IF GOD TELLS YOUSOMETHING, HE WILL PROVIDE FOR
  • 00:34:01.351 --> 00:34:02.385
  • SOMETHING, HE WILL PROVIDE FORIT.
  • 00:34:02.385 --> 00:34:03.120
  • IT.- MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:05.455
  • - MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: OR...YOU KNOW,
  • 00:34:05.455 --> 00:34:08.225
  • - JOYCE: OR...YOU KNOW,LET'S JUST SAY SINGING.
  • 00:34:08.225 --> 00:34:09.426
  • LET'S JUST SAY SINGING.WELL, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVEN
  • 00:34:09.426 --> 00:34:10.794
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVENKNOWS WHAT KEY I SING IN.
  • 00:34:10.794 --> 00:34:12.129
  • KNOWS WHAT KEY I SING IN.WELL, LET'S JUST SAY I THOUGHT
  • 00:34:12.129 --> 00:34:13.964
  • WELL, LET'S JUST SAY I THOUGHTI WAS A REALLY GOOD SINGER.
  • 00:34:13.964 --> 00:34:15.232
  • I WAS A REALLY GOOD SINGER.WELL, IF I GOT UP TO
  • 00:34:15.232 --> 00:34:16.500
  • WELL, IF I GOT UP TOSING, AND...PEOPLE STARTED
  • 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:17.267
  • SING, AND...PEOPLE STARTEDLEAVING, I MIGHT...
  • 00:34:17.267 --> 00:34:18.969
  • LEAVING, I MIGHT...- LAURIE: GET A CLUE?
  • 00:34:18.969 --> 00:34:19.870
  • - LAURIE: GET A CLUE?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:19.870 --> 00:34:20.737
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: I MIGHT GET A CLUE.
  • 00:34:20.737 --> 00:34:22.672
  • - JOYCE: I MIGHT GET A CLUE.AND SO, REALLY, A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:34:22.672 --> 00:34:23.273
  • AND SO, REALLY, A LOT OF TIMES,THAT'S ALL IT IS.
  • 00:34:23.273 --> 00:34:23.840
  • THAT'S ALL IT IS.YOU JUST GOTTA BE WILLING
  • 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.010
  • YOU JUST GOTTA BE WILLINGTO LOOK AT REALITY.
  • 00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:29.045
  • TO LOOK AT REALITY.AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE
  • 00:34:29.045 --> 00:34:30.547
  • AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKESOMETHING WORK, AND IT FEELS
  • 00:34:30.547 --> 00:34:31.715
  • SOMETHING WORK, AND IT FEELSLIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH A
  • 00:34:31.715 --> 00:34:33.049
  • LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH ADEAD HORSE UP A HILL...
  • 00:34:33.049 --> 00:34:33.650
  • DEAD HORSE UP A HILL...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:34:33.650 --> 00:34:34.718
  • - MATT: YEAH.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:34.718 --> 00:34:36.052
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:34:36.052 --> 00:34:36.686
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKEONE PERSON SAID: IF THE HORSE
  • 00:34:36.686 --> 00:34:37.787
  • ONE PERSON SAID: IF THE HORSEHAS BEEN DEAD FOR 10 YEARS,
  • 00:34:37.787 --> 00:34:38.755
  • HAS BEEN DEAD FOR 10 YEARS,IT'S TIME TO DISMOUNT.
  • 00:34:38.755 --> 00:34:42.826
  • IT'S TIME TO DISMOUNT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:34:42.826 --> 00:34:43.193
  • [LAUGHTER][ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:34:43.193 --> 00:34:43.827
  • [ALL LAUGHING]YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TO
  • 00:34:43.827 --> 00:34:47.731
  • YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TOMAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT'S
  • 00:34:47.731 --> 00:34:50.901
  • MAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT'SOBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.
  • 00:34:50.901 --> 00:34:53.003
  • OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:34:53.003 --> 00:34:54.037
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:34:54.037 --> 00:34:55.539
  • - MATT: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT"DO IT AFRAID,"
  • 00:34:55.539 --> 00:34:56.907
  • "DO IT AFRAID,"AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT
  • 00:34:56.907 --> 00:34:59.075
  • JOYCE, I TELL PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:35:00.844 --> 00:35:04.014
  • JOYCE, I TELL PEOPLE THATWHEN JOYCE IS TEACHING --
  • 00:35:04.014 --> 00:35:07.250
  • WHEN JOYCE IS TEACHING --JUST PLAIN TEACHING FROM
  • 00:35:07.250 --> 00:35:08.018
  • JUST PLAIN TEACHING FROMTHE WORD OF GOD --
  • 00:35:08.018 --> 00:35:08.952
  • THE WORD OF GOD --YOUR RATINGS ARE
  • 00:35:08.952 --> 00:35:10.887
  • YOUR RATINGS AREALWAYS CLIMBING.
  • 00:35:10.887 --> 00:35:12.155
  • ALWAYS CLIMBING.THE WHOLE TIME.
  • 00:35:12.155 --> 00:35:13.123
  • THE WHOLE TIME.YOU CAN JUST SIT THERE AND
  • 00:35:13.123 --> 00:35:13.857
  • YOU CAN JUST SIT THERE ANDWATCH IT, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:35:13.857 --> 00:35:14.691
  • WATCH IT, YOU KNOW?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:35:14.691 --> 00:35:18.728
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]BECAUSE, I GUESS THAT'S
  • 00:35:18.728 --> 00:35:20.497
  • BECAUSE, I GUESS THAT'SWHAT THIS CHANNEL IS KNOWN FOR.
  • 00:35:20.497 --> 00:35:22.766
  • WHAT THIS CHANNEL IS KNOWN FOR.YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN FOR
  • 00:35:22.766 --> 00:35:24.834
  • YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN FOREVANGELISM, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN
  • 00:35:24.834 --> 00:35:26.436
  • EVANGELISM, I HOPE IT'S KNOWNFOR PEOPLE GIVING THEIR LIFE TO
  • 00:35:26.436 --> 00:35:28.805
  • FOR PEOPLE GIVING THEIR LIFE TOJESUS, BUT THE OTHER PART
  • 00:35:28.805 --> 00:35:29.839
  • JESUS, BUT THE OTHER PARTOF THE GREAT COMMISSION IS TO
  • 00:35:29.839 --> 00:35:33.343
  • OF THE GREAT COMMISSION IS TOMAKE DISCIPLES OF NATIONS
  • 00:35:33.343 --> 00:35:35.512
  • MAKE DISCIPLES OF NATIONSAND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO
  • 00:35:35.512 --> 00:35:36.279
  • AND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DOBOTH OF THOSE THINGS
  • 00:35:36.279 --> 00:35:37.814
  • BOTH OF THOSE THINGSEFFECTIVELY.
  • 00:35:37.814 --> 00:35:39.049
  • EFFECTIVELY.SO, I TALK ABOUT YOU A LOT,
  • 00:35:39.049 --> 00:35:41.651
  • SO, I TALK ABOUT YOU A LOT,SAYING THAT IF YOU WANNA
  • 00:35:41.651 --> 00:35:44.955
  • AND, BY THE WAY,
  • 00:35:46.890 --> 00:35:48.291
  • AND, BY THE WAY,SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND
  • 00:35:48.291 --> 00:35:49.859
  • SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP ANDSAID THAT CHRISTIAN TV IS NOT
  • 00:35:49.859 --> 00:35:50.594
  • SAID THAT CHRISTIAN TV IS NOTFREE AND THAT WE DO CHARGE
  • 00:35:50.594 --> 00:35:53.463
  • FREE AND THAT WE DO CHARGEYOU...
  • 00:35:53.463 --> 00:35:54.331
  • YOU...[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:35:54.331 --> 00:35:54.998
  • [LAUGHTER]...I WILL MAKE THE DISTINCTION:
  • 00:35:54.998 --> 00:35:55.899
  • ...I WILL MAKE THE DISTINCTION:FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU GIVE US
  • 00:35:55.899 --> 00:35:59.402
  • FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU GIVE USFOR THAT TIMESLOT, WE RAISE
  • 00:35:59.402 --> 00:36:01.171
  • FOR THAT TIMESLOT, WE RAISEANOTHER DOLLAR AND MATCH IT TO
  • 00:36:01.171 --> 00:36:02.706
  • ANOTHER DOLLAR AND MATCH IT TOYOU TO KEEP IT ON THE AIR.
  • 00:36:02.706 --> 00:36:03.306
  • YOU TO KEEP IT ON THE AIR.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:36:03.306 --> 00:36:04.307
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: SO, TBN PARTNERS AND
  • 00:36:04.307 --> 00:36:06.443
  • - MATT: SO, TBN PARTNERS ANDJOYCE MEYER PARTNERS KEEP YOUR
  • 00:36:06.443 --> 00:36:08.945
  • JOYCE MEYER PARTNERS KEEP YOURHALF HOUR ON THE AIR.
  • 00:36:08.945 --> 00:36:10.113
  • HALF HOUR ON THE AIR.- JOYCE: THANK YOU.
  • 00:36:10.113 --> 00:36:10.580
  • - JOYCE: THANK YOU.[CHUCKLES]
  • 00:36:10.580 --> 00:36:11.047
  • [CHUCKLES]- MATT: SO, WE DO
  • 00:36:11.047 --> 00:36:11.615
  • - MATT: SO, WE DOTHIS TOGETHER.
  • 00:36:11.615 --> 00:36:12.582
  • THIS TOGETHER.- JOYCE: IN OTHER WORDS,
  • 00:36:12.582 --> 00:36:14.017
  • - JOYCE: IN OTHER WORDS,YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ME ENOUGH.
  • 00:36:14.017 --> 00:36:14.985
  • YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ME ENOUGH.[LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGH]
  • 00:36:14.985 --> 00:36:15.619
  • [LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGH]- MATT: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:36:15.619 --> 00:36:17.354
  • - MATT: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.BUT THAT'S WHY MY DAD USED
  • 00:36:17.354 --> 00:36:19.155
  • BUT THAT'S WHY MY DAD USEDTHAT TERM -- THAT HE DIDN'T
  • 00:36:19.155 --> 00:36:19.956
  • THAT TERM -- THAT HE DIDN'TEXPLAIN VERY WELL FOR 40 YEARS:
  • 00:36:19.956 --> 00:36:22.425
  • EXPLAIN VERY WELL FOR 40 YEARS:CALL SHARING.
  • 00:36:22.425 --> 00:36:24.861
  • CALL SHARING.THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT...
  • 00:36:24.861 --> 00:36:25.695
  • THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:25.695 --> 00:36:26.630
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: ...MEANING THAT YOUR
  • 00:36:26.630 --> 00:36:27.530
  • - MATT: ...MEANING THAT YOURDOLLARS DON'T OFFSET THE--
  • 00:36:27.530 --> 00:36:28.331
  • DOLLARS DON'T OFFSET THE--- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:28.331 --> 00:36:28.965
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: --FULL BUDGET OF TBN
  • 00:36:28.965 --> 00:36:29.532
  • - MATT: --FULL BUDGET OF TBNFOR THAT HALF HOUR.
  • 00:36:29.532 --> 00:36:30.200
  • FOR THAT HALF HOUR.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:30.200 --> 00:36:30.800
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.169
  • - MATT: OKAY.JUST THOUGHT I'D CLARIFY THAT.
  • 00:36:33.169 --> 00:36:34.704
  • JUST THOUGHT I'D CLARIFY THAT.WE'RE IN AN UNPRECEDENTED
  • 00:36:34.704 --> 00:36:37.407
  • WE'RE IN AN UNPRECEDENTEDTIME.
  • 00:36:37.407 --> 00:36:38.375
  • TIME.THERE'S A PANDEMIC.
  • 00:36:38.375 --> 00:36:40.577
  • THERE'S A PANDEMIC.AND, YOU'VE GOT A CHAPTER, AN
  • 00:36:40.577 --> 00:36:42.245
  • AND, YOU'VE GOT A CHAPTER, ANENTIRE CHAPTER, IN YOUR NEW
  • 00:36:42.245 --> 00:36:44.214
  • ENTIRE CHAPTER, IN YOUR NEWBOOK, "DO IT AFRAID," UH, ABOUT
  • 00:36:44.214 --> 00:36:46.049
  • BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID," UH, ABOUTTHE FEAR OF THE FUTURE.
  • 00:36:46.049 --> 00:36:48.051
  • THE FEAR OF THE FUTURE.THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THAT
  • 00:36:48.051 --> 00:36:51.955
  • THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THATCOULD BE...PERFECTLY SUITED FOR
  • 00:36:51.955 --> 00:36:54.090
  • COULD BE...PERFECTLY SUITED FORTHIS SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.
  • 00:36:54.090 --> 00:36:55.892
  • THIS SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.HOW DO WE...GET A HANDLE ON
  • 00:36:55.892 --> 00:36:56.693
  • HOW DO WE...GET A HANDLE ONTHAT?
  • 00:36:56.693 --> 00:36:58.795
  • THAT?- JOYCE: WELL, WHAT PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:36:58.795 --> 00:37:00.263
  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHAT PEOPLE AREREALLY AFRAID OF IS THEY'RE
  • 00:37:00.263 --> 00:37:01.097
  • REALLY AFRAID OF IS THEY'REAFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN.
  • 00:37:01.097 --> 00:37:04.567
  • AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN.IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE FUTURE.
  • 00:37:04.567 --> 00:37:07.771
  • IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE FUTURE.IT'S LIKE: WE WANT TO KNOW.
  • 00:37:07.771 --> 00:37:08.605
  • IT'S LIKE: WE WANT TO KNOW.[MATT CHUCKLES MISCHIEVOUSLY]
  • 00:37:08.605 --> 00:37:09.806
  • [MATT CHUCKLES MISCHIEVOUSLY]WE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THIS BIG
  • 00:37:09.806 --> 00:37:11.741
  • WE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THIS BIGPROBLEM.
  • 00:37:11.741 --> 00:37:13.043
  • PROBLEM.WE WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE
  • 00:37:13.043 --> 00:37:14.210
  • WE WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE IF WEKNOW, THEN WE CAN CONTROL.
  • 00:37:14.210 --> 00:37:15.578
  • KNOW, THEN WE CAN CONTROL.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:37:15.578 --> 00:37:17.380
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- MATT: GOT IT.
  • 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:18.048
  • - MATT: GOT IT.- JOYCE: GOD WANTS US TO TRUST
  • 00:37:18.048 --> 00:37:18.782
  • - JOYCE: GOD WANTS US TO TRUSTHIM.
  • 00:37:18.782 --> 00:37:23.653
  • HIM.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- JOYCE: AND, TRUSTING GOD IS
  • 00:37:24.654 --> 00:37:25.255
  • - JOYCE: AND, TRUSTING GOD ISSO MUCH EASIER THAN WORRYING
  • 00:37:25.255 --> 00:37:26.489
  • SO MUCH EASIER THAN WORRYINGAND BEING ANXIOUS AND FRETTING
  • 00:37:26.489 --> 00:37:29.626
  • AND BEING ANXIOUS AND FRETTINGOVER STUFF ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:37:29.626 --> 00:37:32.429
  • OVER STUFF ALL THE TIME.NOW...I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU
  • 00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:34.397
  • NOW...I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOUCAN TRUST GOD UNLESS YOU'VE HAD
  • 00:37:34.397 --> 00:37:35.999
  • CAN TRUST GOD UNLESS YOU'VE HADSOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.
  • 00:37:35.999 --> 00:37:36.433
  • SOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:37:36.433 --> 00:37:37.600
  • - MATT: OKAY.- JOYCE: I DON'T CARE HOW MANY
  • 00:37:37.600 --> 00:37:38.902
  • - JOYCE: I DON'T CARE HOW MANYSERMONS I PREACH ON TELLIN'
  • 00:37:38.902 --> 00:37:39.703
  • SERMONS I PREACH ON TELLIN'PEOPLE TO TRUST GOD, THEY'RE
  • 00:37:39.703 --> 00:37:42.405
  • PEOPLE TO TRUST GOD, THEY'REGONNA HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT
  • 00:37:42.405 --> 00:37:43.640
  • GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM DOING ITUNTIL THEY HAVE STEPPED
  • 00:37:43.640 --> 00:37:44.274
  • UNTIL THEY HAVE STEPPEDOUT IN FAITH.
  • 00:37:44.274 --> 00:37:44.908
  • OUT IN FAITH.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:37:44.908 --> 00:37:45.809
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAD
  • 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:46.876
  • - JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO HAVE HADSOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.
  • 00:37:46.876 --> 00:37:47.510
  • SOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.- LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:37:47.510 --> 00:37:51.247
  • - LAURIE: YES.- JOYCE: AND SO, LIKE I TELL
  • 00:37:51.247 --> 00:37:52.615
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, LIKE I TELLPEOPLE ALL THE TIME: THINK BACK
  • 00:37:52.615 --> 00:37:54.117
  • PEOPLE ALL THE TIME: THINK BACKTO ANOTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFE
  • 00:37:54.117 --> 00:37:56.786
  • TO ANOTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFEWHEN YOU HAD SOMETHING REALLY
  • 00:37:56.786 --> 00:37:59.289
  • WHEN YOU HAD SOMETHING REALLYBAD GOIN' ON THAT YOU THOUGHT
  • 00:37:59.289 --> 00:38:01.024
  • BAD GOIN' ON THAT YOU THOUGHTYOU JUST WEREN'T GONNA MAKE IT
  • 00:38:01.024 --> 00:38:01.925
  • YOU JUST WEREN'T GONNA MAKE ITTHROUGH, AND GOD CAME THROUGH
  • 00:38:01.925 --> 00:38:03.860
  • THROUGH, AND GOD CAME THROUGHFOR YOU.
  • 00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:06.496
  • FOR YOU.LIKE, I REMEMBER WHEN
  • 00:38:06.496 --> 00:38:09.132
  • LIKE, I REMEMBER WHENI WENT FOR JUST A REGULAR
  • 00:38:09.132 --> 00:38:11.968
  • I WENT FOR JUST A REGULARMAMMOGRAM, AND,
  • 00:38:11.968 --> 00:38:13.169
  • MAMMOGRAM, AND,WITHIN A FEW DAYS, WAS TOLD I
  • 00:38:13.169 --> 00:38:15.171
  • WITHIN A FEW DAYS, WAS TOLD IHAD BREAST CANCER.
  • 00:38:15.171 --> 00:38:16.039
  • HAD BREAST CANCER.WELL, I WAS PREACHIN' FAITH
  • 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.608
  • WELL, I WAS PREACHIN' FAITHAND PRAYIN' FOR PEOPLE TO BE
  • 00:38:18.608 --> 00:38:20.176
  • AND PRAYIN' FOR PEOPLE TO BEHEALED, AND IT WAS THE LAST
  • 00:38:20.176 --> 00:38:21.010
  • HEALED, AND IT WAS THE LASTTHING IN THE WORLD THAT I
  • 00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:22.912
  • THING IN THE WORLD THAT IEXPECTED.
  • 00:38:22.912 --> 00:38:23.446
  • EXPECTED.HOW DO YOU WRAP YOUR HEAD
  • 00:38:23.446 --> 00:38:24.647
  • HOW DO YOU WRAP YOUR HEADAROUND THAT?
  • 00:38:24.647 --> 00:38:25.348
  • AROUND THAT?"I'M DOIN' GOD'S WILL" --
  • 00:38:25.348 --> 00:38:26.416
  • "I'M DOIN' GOD'S WILL" --ALL THESE DIFFERENT
  • 00:38:26.416 --> 00:38:27.317
  • ALL THESE DIFFERENTTHINGS WE TRY TO TELL GOD.
  • 00:38:27.317 --> 00:38:29.152
  • THINGS WE TRY TO TELL GOD.AND, UH...
  • 00:38:29.152 --> 00:38:30.053
  • AND, UH...[LAURIE GIGGLES]
  • 00:38:30.053 --> 00:38:31.187
  • [LAURIE GIGGLES]BUT EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THAT,
  • 00:38:31.187 --> 00:38:33.123
  • BUT EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THAT,GOD STILL DID MIRACULOUS
  • 00:38:33.123 --> 00:38:33.823
  • GOD STILL DID MIRACULOUSTHINGS.
  • 00:38:33.823 --> 00:38:35.759
  • THINGS.BECAUSE...I DIDN'T HAVE TO
  • 00:38:35.759 --> 00:38:37.293
  • BECAUSE...I DIDN'T HAVE TOHAVE ANY CHEMOTHERAPY.
  • 00:38:37.293 --> 00:38:38.061
  • HAVE ANY CHEMOTHERAPY.I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY
  • 00:38:38.061 --> 00:38:41.097
  • I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYRADIATION.
  • 00:38:41.097 --> 00:38:41.564
  • RADIATION.I DID HAVE TO HAVE A
  • 00:38:41.564 --> 00:38:43.032
  • I DID HAVE TO HAVE AMASTECTOMY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST
  • 00:38:43.032 --> 00:38:44.401
  • MASTECTOMY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUSTWHAT THEY DID BACK THEN.
  • 00:38:44.401 --> 00:38:45.402
  • WHAT THEY DID BACK THEN.PROBABLY, TODAY, THEY'D
  • 00:38:45.402 --> 00:38:46.002
  • PROBABLY, TODAY, THEY'DPROBABLY DO IT A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:38:46.002 --> 00:38:48.638
  • PROBABLY DO IT A LITTLE BITDIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:38:48.638 --> 00:38:50.240
  • DIFFERENTLY.BUT, I MAYBE MISSED TWO
  • 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.109
  • BUT, I MAYBE MISSED TWOCONFERENCES.
  • 00:38:53.109 --> 00:38:53.843
  • CONFERENCES.AND WE NEEDED MONEY TO PAY
  • 00:38:53.843 --> 00:38:57.280
  • AND WE NEEDED MONEY TO PAYOUR BILLS.
  • 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:58.481
  • OUR BILLS.AND, HERE, AGAIN,
  • 00:38:58.481 --> 00:38:59.682
  • AND, HERE, AGAIN,HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH, I'M
  • 00:38:59.682 --> 00:39:01.851
  • HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH, I'MLEANING BACK IN A RECLINER ONE
  • 00:39:01.851 --> 00:39:03.953
  • LEANING BACK IN A RECLINER ONEEVENING, HAD ALL THESE DRAINS
  • 00:39:03.953 --> 00:39:05.655
  • EVENING, HAD ALL THESE DRAINSATTACHED TO MY BODY --
  • 00:39:05.655 --> 00:39:07.090
  • ATTACHED TO MY BODY --I'M IN THE HEALING PROCESS --
  • 00:39:07.090 --> 00:39:08.725
  • I'M IN THE HEALING PROCESS --THE DOORBELL RINGS,
  • 00:39:08.725 --> 00:39:09.526
  • THE DOORBELL RINGS,AND, SOMEBODY
  • 00:39:09.526 --> 00:39:11.628
  • AND, SOMEBODYWENT TO THE DOOR.
  • 00:39:11.628 --> 00:39:12.962
  • WENT TO THE DOOR.AND THIS PASTOR, WHO WE
  • 00:39:12.962 --> 00:39:14.764
  • AND THIS PASTOR, WHO WEDIDN'T REALLY KNOW, HAD JUST
  • 00:39:14.764 --> 00:39:17.534
  • DIDN'T REALLY KNOW, HAD JUSTHAD TO SELL HIS BUILDING.
  • 00:39:17.534 --> 00:39:18.234
  • HAD TO SELL HIS BUILDING.HE WAS GOING OUT OF MINISTRY
  • 00:39:18.234 --> 00:39:19.269
  • HE WAS GOING OUT OF MINISTRYAND GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE,
  • 00:39:19.269 --> 00:39:19.936
  • AND GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE,AND HE HAD TO SELL HIS
  • 00:39:19.936 --> 00:39:21.504
  • AND HE HAD TO SELL HISBUILDING.
  • 00:39:21.504 --> 00:39:22.172
  • BUILDING.WHEN YOU SELL MINISTRY PROPERTY,
  • 00:39:22.172 --> 00:39:23.673
  • WHEN YOU SELL MINISTRY PROPERTY,YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT
  • 00:39:23.673 --> 00:39:25.308
  • YOU HAVE TO GIVE THATMONEY TO OTHER MINISTRIES.
  • 00:39:25.308 --> 00:39:27.210
  • MONEY TO OTHER MINISTRIES.- LAURIE: NON-PROFITS.
  • 00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:27.710
  • - LAURIE: NON-PROFITS.- JOYCE: YOU CAN'T JUST
  • 00:39:27.710 --> 00:39:28.178
  • - JOYCE: YOU CAN'T JUSTPUT IT IN YOUR POCKET
  • 00:39:28.178 --> 00:39:28.878
  • PUT IT IN YOUR POCKETAND...GO SAY,
  • 00:39:28.878 --> 00:39:30.113
  • AND...GO SAY,"I SOLD A BUILDING."
  • 00:39:30.113 --> 00:39:30.713
  • "I SOLD A BUILDING."- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:39:30.713 --> 00:39:31.281
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: SO, HE HANDED US A
  • 00:39:31.281 --> 00:39:31.881
  • - JOYCE: SO, HE HANDED US ACHECK FOR $10.000 AND HE SAID,
  • 00:39:31.881 --> 00:39:32.582
  • CHECK FOR $10.000 AND HE SAID,"I FELT LIKE GOD WANTED ME TO
  • 00:39:32.582 --> 00:39:33.650
  • "I FELT LIKE GOD WANTED ME TOGIVE YOUR MINISTRY $10.000 OF
  • 00:39:33.650 --> 00:39:35.985
  • GIVE YOUR MINISTRY $10.000 OFTHE MONEY."
  • 00:39:35.985 --> 00:39:37.921
  • THE MONEY."WELL...THAT TOOK CARE OF US.
  • 00:39:37.921 --> 00:39:39.022
  • WELL...THAT TOOK CARE OF US.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:39:39.022 --> 00:39:41.057
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND, SO...MIRACLES.
  • 00:39:41.057 --> 00:39:42.492
  • - JOYCE: AND, SO...MIRACLES.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:39:42.492 --> 00:39:45.094
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: WELL, I LOOK BACK,
  • 00:39:45.094 --> 00:39:46.663
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I LOOK BACK,NOW, AND, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
  • 00:39:46.663 --> 00:39:48.765
  • NOW, AND, I DIDN'T KNOW WHATWAS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME.
  • 00:39:48.765 --> 00:39:50.633
  • WAS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME.AM I GONNA HAVE TO TAKE...
  • 00:39:50.633 --> 00:39:52.535
  • AM I GONNA HAVE TO TAKE...CHEMOTHERAPY AND LOSE ALL MY
  • 00:39:52.535 --> 00:39:55.672
  • CHEMOTHERAPY AND LOSE ALL MYHAIR AND BE SICK AND BE-- I
  • 00:39:55.672 --> 00:39:57.140
  • HAIR AND BE SICK AND BE-- IMEAN, IS THIS GONNA BE THE END
  • 00:39:57.140 --> 00:39:57.607
  • MEAN, IS THIS GONNA BE THE ENDOF THE MINISTRY?
  • 00:39:57.607 --> 00:40:00.176
  • OF THE MINISTRY?YOU KNOW, WHEN-- WHEN YOU HAVE
  • 00:40:00.176 --> 00:40:02.812
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN-- WHEN YOU HAVEA MINISTRY LIKE OURS, IT'S
  • 00:40:02.812 --> 00:40:03.847
  • A MINISTRY LIKE OURS, IT'SLIKE...IF I DON'T DO WHAT I DO,
  • 00:40:03.847 --> 00:40:06.583
  • LIKE...IF I DON'T DO WHAT I DO,THEN IT STOPS.
  • 00:40:06.583 --> 00:40:07.016
  • THEN IT STOPS.- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:07.016 --> 00:40:07.584
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: IT'S NOT LIKE--
  • 00:40:07.584 --> 00:40:08.117
  • - JOYCE: IT'S NOT LIKE--YOU CAN'T JUST CALL IN A
  • 00:40:08.117 --> 00:40:08.751
  • YOU CAN'T JUST CALL IN ASUBSTITUTE.
  • 00:40:08.751 --> 00:40:12.055
  • SUBSTITUTE.THAT DOESN'T WORK.
  • 00:40:12.055 --> 00:40:14.991
  • THAT DOESN'T WORK.AND SO, I REALLY ENCOURAGE
  • 00:40:14.991 --> 00:40:16.860
  • AND SO, I REALLY ENCOURAGEPEOPLE IN THESE TIMES THAT
  • 00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:17.961
  • PEOPLE IN THESE TIMES THATWE'RE IN, NOW.
  • 00:40:17.961 --> 00:40:19.429
  • WE'RE IN, NOW.IT'S NOT THE FUTURE THEY'RE
  • 00:40:19.429 --> 00:40:20.530
  • IT'S NOT THE FUTURE THEY'REAFRAID OF; IT'S NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:22.699
  • AFRAID OF; IT'S NOT KNOWING.IT'S THE NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:40:22.699 --> 00:40:23.833
  • IT'S THE NOT KNOWING.AND...THERE'S NO REASON TO
  • 00:40:23.833 --> 00:40:25.034
  • AND...THERE'S NO REASON TOTRUST GOD IF WE KNOW
  • 00:40:25.034 --> 00:40:26.169
  • TRUST GOD IF WE KNOWEVERYTHING.
  • 00:40:26.169 --> 00:40:26.636
  • EVERYTHING.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:26.636 --> 00:40:28.938
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.YOU ALWAYS ARE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:40:28.938 --> 00:40:31.274
  • YOU ALWAYS ARE GONNA HAVEUNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
  • 00:40:31.274 --> 00:40:31.908
  • UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE
  • 00:40:31.908 --> 00:40:35.445
  • THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THEWHYS AND THE WHENS THAT GOD IS
  • 00:40:35.445 --> 00:40:37.247
  • WHYS AND THE WHENS THAT GOD ISNOT GOING TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
  • 00:40:37.247 --> 00:40:39.649
  • NOT GOING TO ANSWER FOR YOU.BECAUSE, HE TOLD ME ONE TIME,
  • 00:40:39.649 --> 00:40:40.950
  • BECAUSE, HE TOLD ME ONE TIME,HE SAID: DON'T YOU REALIZE IF
  • 00:40:40.950 --> 00:40:42.051
  • HE SAID: DON'T YOU REALIZE IFYOU KNEW EVERYTHING I DID THEN
  • 00:40:42.051 --> 00:40:42.919
  • YOU KNEW EVERYTHING I DID THENYOU'D BE GOD AND WOULDN'T NEED
  • 00:40:42.919 --> 00:40:44.120
  • YOU'D BE GOD AND WOULDN'T NEEDME AT ALL?
  • 00:40:44.120 --> 00:40:45.154
  • ME AT ALL?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:40:45.154 --> 00:40:45.688
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:40:45.688 --> 00:40:47.223
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND SO, WE HAVE TO
  • 00:40:47.223 --> 00:40:48.424
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, WE HAVE TOGET COMFORTABLE NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:40:48.424 --> 00:40:49.125
  • GET COMFORTABLE NOT KNOWING.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:49.125 --> 00:40:50.059
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I'M NOT AFRAID OF
  • 00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:50.560
  • - JOYCE: I'M NOT AFRAID OFTHIS.
  • 00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:53.663
  • THIS.BECAUSE, I'VE HAD ENOUGH
  • 00:40:53.663 --> 00:40:54.597
  • BECAUSE, I'VE HAD ENOUGHEXPERIENCE WITH GOD THAT I KNOW
  • 00:40:54.597 --> 00:40:56.232
  • EXPERIENCE WITH GOD THAT I KNOWI'M IN HIS HANDS.
  • 00:40:56.232 --> 00:40:57.767
  • I'M IN HIS HANDS.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:40:57.767 --> 00:40:58.701
  • - TOM NEWMAN: FRIENDS, TBN IS
  • 00:41:00.136 --> 00:41:00.837
  • - TOM NEWMAN: FRIENDS, TBN ISREACHING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE
  • 00:41:00.837 --> 00:41:01.704
  • REACHING PEOPLE ALL OVER THEWORLD WITH THIS MESSAGE OF LIFE
  • 00:41:01.704 --> 00:41:03.907
  • WORLD WITH THIS MESSAGE OF LIFEAND HOPE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:41:03.907 --> 00:41:06.809
  • AND HOPE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.DURING A TRIP TO ISTANBUL,
  • 00:41:06.809 --> 00:41:08.177
  • DURING A TRIP TO ISTANBUL,TURKEY WITH MATT AND LAURIE, I
  • 00:41:08.177 --> 00:41:09.746
  • TURKEY WITH MATT AND LAURIE, IMET UP WITH REZA SAFA, THE HEAD
  • 00:41:09.746 --> 00:41:11.247
  • MET UP WITH REZA SAFA, THE HEADOF TBN NEJAT, TO WALK TO THE
  • 00:41:11.247 --> 00:41:12.682
  • OF TBN NEJAT, TO WALK TO THEDOWNTOWN MARKET DURING WHAT WAS
  • 00:41:12.682 --> 00:41:14.751
  • DOWNTOWN MARKET DURING WHAT WASA VERY POLITICALLY VOLATILE
  • 00:41:14.751 --> 00:41:16.819
  • AND PEOPLE BEGAN TO RUN
  • 00:41:18.521 --> 00:41:20.023
  • AND PEOPLE BEGAN TO RUNTOWARDS US.
  • 00:41:20.023 --> 00:41:20.623
  • TOWARDS US.I WAS NERVOUS, BUT THEY CAME
  • 00:41:20.623 --> 00:41:21.791
  • I WAS NERVOUS, BUT THEY CAMEBECAUSE THEY INSTANTLY
  • 00:41:21.791 --> 00:41:23.560
  • BECAUSE THEY INSTANTLYRECOGNIZED REZA FROM TBN.
  • 00:41:23.560 --> 00:41:25.628
  • RECOGNIZED REZA FROM TBN.THEY WERE PASSIONATELY SHARING
  • 00:41:25.628 --> 00:41:27.463
  • THEY WERE PASSIONATELY SHARINGTHEIR TESTIMONIES AND ASKING
  • 00:41:27.463 --> 00:41:29.232
  • THEIR TESTIMONIES AND ASKINGHIM FOR PRAYER -- WHICH HE DID,
  • 00:41:29.232 --> 00:41:31.434
  • HIM FOR PRAYER -- WHICH HE DID,COURAGEOUSLY, LAYING HANDS ON
  • 00:41:31.434 --> 00:41:33.202
  • COURAGEOUSLY, LAYING HANDS ONTHEM, RIGHT THERE, ON THE
  • 00:41:33.202 --> 00:41:34.003
  • THEM, RIGHT THERE, ON THECROWDED STREET OF ISTANBUL,
  • 00:41:34.003 --> 00:41:36.606
  • CROWDED STREET OF ISTANBUL,DESPITE THE DANGER.
  • 00:41:36.606 --> 00:41:38.274
  • DESPITE THE DANGER.GOD MAY SOMETIME ASK EACH ONE
  • 00:41:38.274 --> 00:41:40.176
  • GOD MAY SOMETIME ASK EACH ONEOF US TO STEP OUT AND BE
  • 00:41:40.176 --> 00:41:40.877
  • AND THAT'S WHY THIS MONTH, FOR
  • 00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:44.847
  • AND THAT'S WHY THIS MONTH, FORYOUR GIFT OF SUPPORT TO TBN,
  • 00:41:44.847 --> 00:41:46.382
  • YOUR GIFT OF SUPPORT TO TBN,WE'RE EXCITED TO SEND YOU
  • 00:41:46.382 --> 00:41:49.085
  • WE'RE EXCITED TO SEND YOUJOYCE MEYER'S BRAND-NEW BOOK,
  • 00:41:49.085 --> 00:41:51.054
  • JOYCE MEYER'S BRAND-NEW BOOK,"DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACING
  • 00:41:51.054 --> 00:41:53.556
  • "DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACINGCOURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."
  • 00:41:53.556 --> 00:41:54.490
  • COURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."- JOYCE: GOD DOESN'T WANNA
  • 00:41:54.490 --> 00:41:55.992
  • - JOYCE: GOD DOESN'T WANNATAKE YOUR FEAR AWAY.
  • 00:41:55.992 --> 00:41:57.694
  • TAKE YOUR FEAR AWAY.HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE
  • 00:41:57.694 --> 00:42:01.164
  • HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGEWHILE YOU STILL FEEL...AFRAID.
  • 00:42:01.164 --> 00:42:03.366
  • WHILE YOU STILL FEEL...AFRAID.- TOM: AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF
  • 00:42:03.366 --> 00:42:04.367
  • - TOM: AND FOR YOUR GIFT OF$35 OR MORE, WE WILL ALSO SEND
  • 00:42:04.367 --> 00:42:06.903
  • $35 OR MORE, WE WILL ALSO SENDYOU BESTSELLING AUTHOR
  • 00:42:06.903 --> 00:42:08.771
  • YOU BESTSELLING AUTHORDR. CHARLES STANLEY'S NEW BOOK,
  • 00:42:08.771 --> 00:42:11.341
  • DR. CHARLES STANLEY'S NEW BOOK,"STANDING STRONG: HOW TO STORM-
  • 00:42:11.341 --> 00:42:12.575
  • "STANDING STRONG: HOW TO STORM-PROOF YOUR LIFE WITH GOD'S
  • 00:42:12.575 --> 00:42:14.444
  • PROOF YOUR LIFE WITH GOD'STIMELESS TRUTHS."
  • 00:42:14.444 --> 00:42:15.078
  • TIMELESS TRUTHS."- DR. CHARLES STANLEY: THAT'S
  • 00:42:15.078 --> 00:42:15.979
  • - DR. CHARLES STANLEY: THAT'SWHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE
  • 00:42:15.979 --> 00:42:17.547
  • WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WEWHO ARE CHRISTIANS TAKE FIRM,
  • 00:42:17.547 --> 00:42:19.816
  • WHO ARE CHRISTIANS TAKE FIRM,STRONG STANDS.
  • 00:42:19.816 --> 00:42:20.516
  • STRONG STANDS.WE DON'T GIVE IN.
  • 00:42:20.516 --> 00:42:21.985
  • WE DON'T GIVE IN.WE DON'T GIVE UP.
  • 00:42:21.985 --> 00:42:22.585
  • WE DON'T GIVE UP.- TOM: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
  • 00:42:22.585 --> 00:42:23.653
  • - TOM: THANK YOU FOR YOURPARTNERSHIP IN THE GLOBAL
  • 00:42:23.653 --> 00:42:26.522
  • - MATT: JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOU
  • 00:42:28.291 --> 00:42:31.527
  • - MATT: JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOUFOR BEING WITH US
  • 00:42:31.527 --> 00:42:33.463
  • FOR BEING WITH USON THE "PRAISE" PROGRAM.
  • 00:42:33.463 --> 00:42:34.497
  • ON THE "PRAISE" PROGRAM.YOU KNOW, WE LOVE HAVING
  • 00:42:34.497 --> 00:42:36.199
  • YOU KNOW, WE LOVE HAVINGYOU WITH US.
  • 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:37.000
  • YOU WITH US."DO IT AFRAID" IS WHAT
  • 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:37.767
  • IF THERE WAS EVER A RESOURCE
  • 00:42:41.904 --> 00:42:43.072
  • IF THERE WAS EVER A RESOURCETHAT WAS PROPHETICALLY TIMED,
  • 00:42:43.072 --> 00:42:45.675
  • THAT WAS PROPHETICALLY TIMED,THIS IS THE ONE.
  • 00:42:45.675 --> 00:42:47.076
  • THIS IS THE ONE.- LAURIE: (WHISPERED) YEAH.
  • 00:42:47.076 --> 00:42:47.677
  • - LAURIE: (WHISPERED) YEAH.- MATT: THERE ARE LOTS OF
  • 00:42:47.677 --> 00:42:48.945
  • - MATT: THERE ARE LOTS OFTHINGS IN 2020 THAT WE COULD BE
  • 00:42:48.945 --> 00:42:49.846
  • THINGS IN 2020 THAT WE COULD BEAFRAID OF.
  • 00:42:49.846 --> 00:42:51.214
  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS COMPLETELY
  • 00:42:53.750 --> 00:42:56.052
  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS COMPLETELYDEVOTED TO THIS SEASON OF TIME.
  • 00:42:56.052 --> 00:42:58.254
  • DEVOTED TO THIS SEASON OF TIME.IT IS OUR MONTHLY-RESOURCE
  • 00:42:58.254 --> 00:42:59.722
  • WE WANT YOU TO HAVE IT.
  • 00:43:00.723 --> 00:43:01.691
  • WE WANT YOU TO HAVE IT.JOYCE, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
  • 00:43:01.691 --> 00:43:02.592
  • JOYCE, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOUFOR WRITING THIS.
  • 00:43:02.592 --> 00:43:03.893
  • FOR WRITING THIS.IT IS PERFECTLY TIMED, RIGHT
  • 00:43:03.893 --> 00:43:06.663
  • IT IS PERFECTLY TIMED, RIGHTHERE, IN 2020.
  • 00:43:06.663 --> 00:43:07.530
  • HERE, IN 2020."DO IT AFRAID" -- JOYCE MEYER'S
  • 00:43:07.530 --> 00:43:09.065
  • WE ARE UNPACKING IT ON THIS
  • 00:43:10.466 --> 00:43:11.501
  • WE ARE UNPACKING IT ON THISBROADCAST AND IT IS AVAILABLE.
  • 00:43:11.501 --> 00:43:12.535
  • BROADCAST AND IT IS AVAILABLE.IT IS OUR MONTHLY RESOURCE,
  • 00:43:12.535 --> 00:43:14.504
  • IT IS OUR MONTHLY RESOURCE,THIS MONTH.
  • 00:43:14.504 --> 00:43:16.339
  • THIS MONTH.- JOYCE: WE HAVE TO GROW TO
  • 00:43:16.339 --> 00:43:18.608
  • - JOYCE: WE HAVE TO GROW TOTHE POINT WHERE...WE'RE NOT
  • 00:43:18.608 --> 00:43:20.009
  • THE POINT WHERE...WE'RE NOTAFRAID OF DEATH AND WE'RE NOT
  • 00:43:20.009 --> 00:43:22.412
  • AFRAID OF DEATH AND WE'RE NOTAFRAID OF...
  • 00:43:22.412 --> 00:43:24.981
  • AFRAID OF...YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE
  • 00:43:24.981 --> 00:43:26.516
  • YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THEFUTURE, BUT I DO KNOW THE ONE
  • 00:43:26.516 --> 00:43:28.151
  • FUTURE, BUT I DO KNOW THE ONEWHO HOLDS THE FUTURE IN HIS
  • 00:43:28.151 --> 00:43:29.152
  • WHO HOLDS THE FUTURE IN HISHANDS.
  • 00:43:29.152 --> 00:43:30.186
  • HANDS.- MATT: MM-HMM.
  • 00:43:30.186 --> 00:43:30.953
  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:43:30.953 --> 00:43:31.521
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND I DON'T LIKE
  • 00:43:31.521 --> 00:43:32.188
  • - JOYCE: AND I DON'T LIKESUFFERING ANY MORE THAN ANYBODY
  • 00:43:32.188 --> 00:43:32.822
  • SUFFERING ANY MORE THAN ANYBODYELSE DOES, YOU KNOW, SO I'M
  • 00:43:32.822 --> 00:43:34.791
  • ELSE DOES, YOU KNOW, SO I'MNOT...LIKE...WANTIN' TO HAVE TO
  • 00:43:34.791 --> 00:43:36.059
  • NOT...LIKE...WANTIN' TO HAVE TOSUFFER AND GO THROUGH SOME
  • 00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:37.760
  • SUFFER AND GO THROUGH SOMEREALLY, LIKE--
  • 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.329
  • REALLY, LIKE--I'M HOPIN', YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
  • 00:43:40.329 --> 00:43:42.031
  • I'M HOPIN', YOU KNOW, WHEN THEEND COMES, GOD BEAMS US UP,
  • 00:43:42.031 --> 00:43:43.166
  • END COMES, GOD BEAMS US UP,REAL QUICK.
  • 00:43:43.166 --> 00:43:44.834
  • REAL QUICK.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:43:44.834 --> 00:43:45.668
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.- JOYCE: BUT I DO KNOW THAT
  • 00:43:45.668 --> 00:43:47.837
  • - JOYCE: BUT I DO KNOW THATWHATEVER I HAD TO DO, GOD WOULD
  • 00:43:47.837 --> 00:43:49.338
  • WHATEVER I HAD TO DO, GOD WOULDENABLE ME TO DO IT.
  • 00:43:49.338 --> 00:43:51.007
  • ENABLE ME TO DO IT.BUT, SEE, WE DON'T GET
  • 00:43:51.007 --> 00:43:52.742
  • BUT, SEE, WE DON'T GETTOMORROW'S GRACE TODAY.
  • 00:43:52.742 --> 00:43:54.110
  • TOMORROW'S GRACE TODAY.- LAURIE: I KNOW.
  • 00:43:54.110 --> 00:43:55.011
  • - LAURIE: I KNOW.- MATT: LET ME SEE IF I CAN...
  • 00:43:55.011 --> 00:43:56.179
  • - MATT: LET ME SEE IF I CAN...THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THIS
  • 00:43:56.179 --> 00:43:57.013
  • THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THISFOR A SECOND.
  • 00:43:57.013 --> 00:43:57.947
  • FOR A SECOND.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:43:57.947 --> 00:43:58.581
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- JOYCE: YEAH, YOU SEE TO BE
  • 00:43:58.581 --> 00:43:59.282
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, YOU SEE TO BEDOIN' PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:43:59.282 --> 00:43:59.849
  • DOIN' PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT THERE.- MATT: YEAH, YEAH, I--
  • 00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:01.984
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH, I--[LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:44:01.984 --> 00:44:04.554
  • [LAURIE LAUGHING]- LAURIE: HE LIVES FOR IT.
  • 00:44:04.554 --> 00:44:05.221
  • - LAURIE: HE LIVES FOR IT.- MATT: THERE COULD BE
  • 00:44:05.221 --> 00:44:06.055
  • - MATT: THERE COULD BESOMEONE, JOYCE, SITTING,
  • 00:44:06.055 --> 00:44:06.556
  • SOMEONE, JOYCE, SITTING,GOING: THAT ALL WORKS
  • 00:44:06.556 --> 00:44:07.156
  • GOING: THAT ALL WORKSFOR YOU.
  • 00:44:07.156 --> 00:44:07.690
  • FOR YOU.YOU'VE GOTTEN PAST ALL
  • 00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:09.692
  • YOU'VE GOTTEN PAST ALLTHESE TRIALS.
  • 00:44:09.692 --> 00:44:10.860
  • THESE TRIALS.AND, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:12.028
  • AND, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDEOF 'EM AND EVERYTHING IS-- IS
  • 00:44:12.028 --> 00:44:13.196
  • OF 'EM AND EVERYTHING IS-- ISGOOD FOR YOU, NOW.
  • 00:44:13.196 --> 00:44:15.998
  • GOOD FOR YOU, NOW.AND, UH, YOU'RE EVEN TALKING
  • 00:44:15.998 --> 00:44:18.101
  • AND, UH, YOU'RE EVEN TALKINGABOUT A SEASON IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:44:18.101 --> 00:44:20.336
  • ABOUT A SEASON IN YOUR LIFE,UH, THAT WAS IN THE PAST, WHERE
  • 00:44:20.336 --> 00:44:22.538
  • UH, THAT WAS IN THE PAST, WHEREYOU HAD TO SEE DAY-TO-DAY-TYPE
  • 00:44:22.538 --> 00:44:24.173
  • YOU HAD TO SEE DAY-TO-DAY-TYPEMIRACLES AND THINGS ARE
  • 00:44:24.173 --> 00:44:25.675
  • MIRACLES AND THINGS AREDIFFERENT NOW.
  • 00:44:25.675 --> 00:44:27.443
  • DIFFERENT NOW.WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY
  • 00:44:27.443 --> 00:44:29.612
  • WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODYWATCHING WITH-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:44:29.612 --> 00:44:32.582
  • WATCHING WITH-- YOU KNOW,SAYING, "IT'S NOT GONNA WORK
  • 00:44:32.582 --> 00:44:33.750
  • SAYING, "IT'S NOT GONNA WORKTHAT WAY FOR ME --
  • 00:44:33.750 --> 00:44:35.218
  • THAT WAY FOR ME --I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH;
  • 00:44:35.218 --> 00:44:36.853
  • I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH;MY HUSBAND'S NOT
  • 00:44:36.853 --> 00:44:37.353
  • MY HUSBAND'S NOTEVEN A CHRISTIAN"?
  • 00:44:37.353 --> 00:44:38.387
  • EVEN A CHRISTIAN"?YOU KNOW?
  • 00:44:38.387 --> 00:44:40.289
  • YOU KNOW?"I DON'T TAKE MY KIDS TO"--
  • 00:44:40.289 --> 00:44:41.491
  • "I DON'T TAKE MY KIDS TO"--YOU KNOW, BUT, THERE'S
  • 00:44:41.491 --> 00:44:43.126
  • YOU KNOW, BUT, THERE'SSOMETHING INSIDE THEM THAT
  • 00:44:43.126 --> 00:44:44.260
  • SOMETHING INSIDE THEM THATWANTS TO NOT FEAR, THAT WANTS
  • 00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:45.261
  • WANTS TO NOT FEAR, THAT WANTSTO DO SOMETHING AFRAID, BUT
  • 00:44:45.261 --> 00:44:49.098
  • TO DO SOMETHING AFRAID, BUTTHEY JUST-- THEY'RE
  • 00:44:49.098 --> 00:44:51.768
  • THEY JUST-- THEY'REDISQUALIFYING THEMSELVES.
  • 00:44:51.768 --> 00:44:53.202
  • DISQUALIFYING THEMSELVES.WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?
  • 00:44:53.202 --> 00:44:54.036
  • WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?- JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:44:54.036 --> 00:44:55.271
  • - JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,THEY NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES IF
  • 00:44:55.271 --> 00:44:57.140
  • THEY NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES IFTHEY'RE BORN AGAIN.
  • 00:44:57.140 --> 00:44:58.207
  • THEY'RE BORN AGAIN.HAVE THEY GIVEN THEIR LIFE TO
  • 00:44:58.207 --> 00:44:58.708
  • HAVE THEY GIVEN THEIR LIFE TOCHRIST?
  • 00:44:58.708 --> 00:45:00.676
  • CHRIST?BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE
  • 00:45:00.676 --> 00:45:02.278
  • BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONETHAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT
  • 00:45:02.278 --> 00:45:02.912
  • THAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THATHELPER LIVING ON THE INSIDE OF
  • 00:45:02.912 --> 00:45:04.547
  • HELPER LIVING ON THE INSIDE OFYOU THAT CAN HELP YOU...
  • 00:45:04.547 --> 00:45:05.181
  • YOU THAT CAN HELP YOU...[MUSIC LOUDENS]
  • 00:45:05.181 --> 00:45:05.815
  • [MUSIC LOUDENS]- MATT: HELP THEM DO THAT IF
  • 00:45:05.815 --> 00:45:07.116
  • - MATT: HELP THEM DO THAT IFTHEY WANT TO.
  • 00:45:07.116 --> 00:45:08.284
  • THEY WANT TO.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW,
  • 00:45:08.284 --> 00:45:09.719
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW,IF YOU DON'T HAVE JESUS
  • 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.120
  • IF YOU DON'T HAVE JESUSIN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:45:11.120 --> 00:45:13.222
  • IN YOUR LIFE,THEN, THAT'S THE FIRST THING
  • 00:45:13.222 --> 00:45:14.457
  • THEN, THAT'S THE FIRST THINGYOU NEED TO DO.
  • 00:45:14.457 --> 00:45:15.057
  • YOU NEED TO DO.NOW, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL TO
  • 00:45:15.057 --> 00:45:16.025
  • NOW, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL TOLEARN AFTER THAT.
  • 00:45:16.025 --> 00:45:20.062
  • LEARN AFTER THAT.BUT, IF YOU'VE NOT RECEIVED
  • 00:45:20.062 --> 00:45:20.696
  • BUT, IF YOU'VE NOT RECEIVEDCHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, AND YOU
  • 00:45:20.696 --> 00:45:22.765
  • CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, AND YOUWANT TO, I'M GONNA PRAY A VERY
  • 00:45:22.765 --> 00:45:23.666
  • WANT TO, I'M GONNA PRAY A VERYSIMPLE PRAYER WITH YOU.
  • 00:45:23.666 --> 00:45:25.268
  • SIMPLE PRAYER WITH YOU.IT'S NOT HARD.
  • 00:45:25.268 --> 00:45:27.303
  • IT'S NOT HARD.IT'S SO EASY THAT YOU THINK
  • 00:45:27.303 --> 00:45:28.337
  • IT'S SO EASY THAT YOU THINKTHAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE ALL
  • 00:45:28.337 --> 00:45:31.908
  • THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE ALLTHERE IS TO IT.
  • 00:45:31.908 --> 00:45:33.476
  • THERE IS TO IT.BUT, IF YOU ADMIT YOU'RE A
  • 00:45:33.476 --> 00:45:35.978
  • BUT, IF YOU ADMIT YOU'RE ASINNER, AND YOU ASK GOD TO
  • 00:45:35.978 --> 00:45:37.647
  • SINNER, AND YOU ASK GOD TOFORGIVE YOU FOR THOSE SINS, AND
  • 00:45:37.647 --> 00:45:39.215
  • FORGIVE YOU FOR THOSE SINS, ANDYOU'RE WILLING TO TURN AWAY
  • 00:45:39.215 --> 00:45:40.817
  • YOU'RE WILLING TO TURN AWAYFROM A SINFUL LIFE AND LEARN
  • 00:45:40.817 --> 00:45:42.318
  • FROM A SINFUL LIFE AND LEARNHOW TO LIVE FOR GOD, IF YOU
  • 00:45:42.318 --> 00:45:44.754
  • HOW TO LIVE FOR GOD, IF YOUWANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE...YOU
  • 00:45:44.754 --> 00:45:47.356
  • WANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE...YOUJUST PRAY THIS PRAYER, RIGHT
  • 00:45:47.356 --> 00:45:49.959
  • JUST PRAY THIS PRAYER, RIGHTAFTER ME, AND GOD'S GONNA DO
  • 00:45:49.959 --> 00:45:51.460
  • AFTER ME, AND GOD'S GONNA DOSOMETHIN' IN YOUR HEART.
  • 00:45:51.460 --> 00:45:52.528
  • SOMETHIN' IN YOUR HEART.YOU MAY FEEL SOMETHIN', YOU MAY
  • 00:45:52.528 --> 00:45:53.696
  • YOU MAY FEEL SOMETHIN', YOU MAYNOT, BUT GOD'S TRUE TO HIS
  • 00:45:53.696 --> 00:45:54.831
  • NOT, BUT GOD'S TRUE TO HISWORD.
  • 00:45:54.831 --> 00:45:55.832
  • WORD.JUST SAY: FATHER GOD, I LOVE
  • 00:45:55.832 --> 00:45:57.166
  • JUST SAY: FATHER GOD, I LOVEYOU.
  • 00:45:57.166 --> 00:45:58.334
  • YOU.- MATT: (WHISPERING) FATHER
  • 00:45:58.334 --> 00:45:59.268
  • - MATT: (WHISPERING) FATHERGOD...
  • 00:45:59.268 --> 00:46:01.437
  • GOD...- JOYCE: JESUS, I BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:46:01.437 --> 00:46:02.405
  • - JOYCE: JESUS, I BELIEVE THATYOU...ARE GOD...THE VERY ONLY
  • 00:46:02.405 --> 00:46:06.843
  • YOU...ARE GOD...THE VERY ONLYSON OF GOD.
  • 00:46:06.843 --> 00:46:07.510
  • SON OF GOD.[MATT REPEATING PRAYER IN
  • 00:46:07.510 --> 00:46:08.811
  • [MATT REPEATING PRAYER INWHISPER]
  • 00:46:08.811 --> 00:46:11.380
  • WHISPER]I AM A SINNER.
  • 00:46:11.380 --> 00:46:11.948
  • I AM A SINNER.I'M SORRY FOR THE WAY I'VE
  • 00:46:11.948 --> 00:46:17.086
  • I'M SORRY FOR THE WAY I'VELIVED.
  • 00:46:17.086 --> 00:46:20.756
  • LIVED.I REPENT OF MY SINS.
  • 00:46:20.756 --> 00:46:21.390
  • I REPENT OF MY SINS.I BELIEVE YOU DIED FOR MY SINS
  • 00:46:21.390 --> 00:46:22.892
  • I BELIEVE YOU DIED FOR MY SINSAND PAID THE PRICE.
  • 00:46:22.892 --> 00:46:25.361
  • AND PAID THE PRICE.COME INTO MY HEART...
  • 00:46:25.361 --> 00:46:29.832
  • COME INTO MY HEART...AND SAVE ME.
  • 00:46:29.832 --> 00:46:32.134
  • AND SAVE ME.I GIVE MYSELF TO YOU.
  • 00:46:32.134 --> 00:46:34.837
  • I GIVE MYSELF TO YOU.AND I RECEIVE YOU, TODAY,
  • 00:46:34.837 --> 00:46:35.771
  • AND I RECEIVE YOU, TODAY,AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
  • 00:46:35.771 --> 00:46:38.574
  • AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.THANK YOU.
  • 00:46:38.574 --> 00:46:40.309
  • THANK YOU.- LAURIE: (QUIETLY) THANK YOU.
  • 00:46:40.309 --> 00:46:41.143
  • - LAURIE: (QUIETLY) THANK YOU.- JOYCE: NOW, YOU SAY, "WELL,
  • 00:46:41.143 --> 00:46:41.677
  • - JOYCE: NOW, YOU SAY, "WELL,I DIDN'T FEEL ANY STARS,
  • 00:46:41.677 --> 00:46:42.478
  • I DIDN'T FEEL ANY STARS,I DIDN'T FEEL AN EXPLOSION."
  • 00:46:42.478 --> 00:46:44.914
  • I DIDN'T FEEL AN EXPLOSION."YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:46:44.914 --> 00:46:45.615
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR THAT.
  • 00:46:45.615 --> 00:46:46.616
  • DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR THAT.LOOK FOR PEACE.
  • 00:46:46.616 --> 00:46:47.917
  • LOOK FOR PEACE.I MEAN,
  • 00:46:47.917 --> 00:46:49.118
  • I MEAN,YOU'RE GONNA START TO
  • 00:46:49.118 --> 00:46:50.586
  • YOU'RE GONNA START TOEXPERIENCE MORE PEACE THAN WHAT
  • 00:46:50.586 --> 00:46:53.055
  • EXPERIENCE MORE PEACE THAN WHATYOU'VE EVER HAD BEFORE.
  • 00:46:53.055 --> 00:46:53.756
  • YOU'VE EVER HAD BEFORE.AND, YES, THERE'S A LOT TO
  • 00:46:53.756 --> 00:46:55.524
  • AND, YES, THERE'S A LOT TOLEARN.
  • 00:46:55.524 --> 00:46:56.259
  • LEARN.AND YOU HAVE NETWORKS LIKE TBN
  • 00:46:56.259 --> 00:46:58.461
  • AND YOU HAVE NETWORKS LIKE TBNAND PROGRAMS LIKE MINE AND LOTS
  • 00:46:58.461 --> 00:46:59.862
  • AND PROGRAMS LIKE MINE AND LOTSOF OTHERS THAT WILL HELP TEACH
  • 00:46:59.862 --> 00:47:02.465
  • OF OTHERS THAT WILL HELP TEACHYOU THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:47:02.465 --> 00:47:03.532
  • YOU THOSE THINGS.THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GREAT
  • 00:47:03.532 --> 00:47:04.834
  • THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GREATBOOKS AVAILABLE BY MANY
  • 00:47:04.834 --> 00:47:06.269
  • BOOKS AVAILABLE BY MANYDIFFERENT WONDERFUL AUTHORS
  • 00:47:06.269 --> 00:47:07.970
  • DIFFERENT WONDERFUL AUTHORSTHAT WILL TEACH YOU...HOW TO
  • 00:47:07.970 --> 00:47:11.173
  • THAT WILL TEACH YOU...HOW TOLIVE FOR GOD.
  • 00:47:11.173 --> 00:47:12.541
  • LIVE FOR GOD.BUT IF YOU'RE ALREADY A
  • 00:47:12.541 --> 00:47:14.277
  • BUT IF YOU'RE ALREADY ACHRISTIAN AND YOU'RE ONE OF
  • 00:47:14.277 --> 00:47:17.480
  • CHRISTIAN AND YOU'RE ONE OFTHOSE PEOPLE THAT FITS INTO
  • 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.282
  • THOSE PEOPLE THAT FITS INTOTHIS CATEGORY, LIKE MATT WAS
  • 00:47:19.282 --> 00:47:22.418
  • THIS CATEGORY, LIKE MATT WASTALKING ABOUT --
  • 00:47:22.418 --> 00:47:22.919
  • TALKING ABOUT --UH...YOU DON'T FEEL GOOD
  • 00:47:22.919 --> 00:47:23.319
  • UH...YOU DON'T FEEL GOODENOUGH?
  • 00:47:23.319 --> 00:47:23.753
  • ENOUGH?YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:47:23.753 --> 00:47:25.688
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:47:25.688 --> 00:47:27.456
  • YOU'RE RIGHT.YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND I'M
  • 00:47:27.456 --> 00:47:28.090
  • YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND I'MNOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOD TO DO
  • 00:47:28.090 --> 00:47:28.457
  • NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOD TO DOANYTHING FOR ME.
  • 00:47:28.457 --> 00:47:29.692
  • ANYTHING FOR ME.- MATT: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:47:29.692 --> 00:47:30.593
  • - MATT: THAT'S GOOD.- JOYCE: BUT HE DOES IT
  • 00:47:30.593 --> 00:47:33.229
  • - JOYCE: BUT HE DOES ITBECAUSE HE'S GOOD.
  • 00:47:33.229 --> 00:47:33.763
  • BECAUSE HE'S GOOD.[MATT CHUCKLES HAPPILY]
  • 00:47:33.763 --> 00:47:34.997
  • [MATT CHUCKLES HAPPILY][JOYCE CHUCKLES]
  • 00:47:34.997 --> 00:47:35.665
  • [JOYCE CHUCKLES]AND, SEE, THAT'S THE COOL THING
  • 00:47:35.665 --> 00:47:36.265
  • AND, SEE, THAT'S THE COOL THINGABOUT GETTIN' INVOLVED WITH
  • 00:47:36.265 --> 00:47:36.766
  • ABOUT GETTIN' INVOLVED WITHGOD...
  • 00:47:36.766 --> 00:47:37.633
  • GOD...- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:47:37.633 --> 00:47:38.401
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: ...IS HE IS GOOD, AND
  • 00:47:38.401 --> 00:47:40.002
  • - JOYCE: ...IS HE IS GOOD, ANDHE IS GOOD ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:47:40.002 --> 00:47:41.537
  • HE IS GOOD ALL THE TIME.AND HE IS ESPECIALLY GOOD TO
  • 00:47:41.537 --> 00:47:45.708
  • AND HE IS ESPECIALLY GOOD TOTHOSE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT.
  • 00:47:45.708 --> 00:47:46.876
  • THOSE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT.BUT YOU NEED TO ASK.
  • 00:47:46.876 --> 00:47:47.476
  • BUT YOU NEED TO ASK.THE BIBLE SAYS YOU HAVE NOT
  • 00:47:47.476 --> 00:47:49.679
  • THE BIBLE SAYS YOU HAVE NOTBECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.
  • 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.314
  • BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.SO, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK
  • 00:47:51.314 --> 00:47:53.816
  • SO, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST ASKGOD TO HELP YOU...AND START
  • 00:47:53.816 --> 00:47:55.618
  • GOD TO HELP YOU...AND STARTSEEING WHAT HE'LL DO IN YOUR
  • 00:47:55.618 --> 00:47:56.485
  • SEEING WHAT HE'LL DO IN YOURLIFE.
  • 00:47:56.485 --> 00:47:57.753
  • LIFE.YOU'LL BE AMAZED.
  • 00:47:57.753 --> 00:47:58.688
  • YOU'LL BE AMAZED.- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:47:58.688 --> 00:48:00.122
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.- LAURIE: YEAH...
  • 00:48:00.122 --> 00:48:01.857
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...- MATT: WE ARE LEARNING TO
  • 00:48:01.857 --> 00:48:02.391
  • - MATT: WE ARE LEARNING TODO IT AFRAID.
  • 00:48:02.391 --> 00:48:05.027
  • DO IT AFRAID.ALL SORTS OF APPLICATIONS
  • 00:48:05.027 --> 00:48:05.461
  • ALL SORTS OF APPLICATIONSFOR THIS.
  • 00:48:05.461 --> 00:48:06.362
  • - MATT: THIS "DO IT AFRAID" IS
  • 00:48:07.930 --> 00:48:09.131
  • - MATT: THIS "DO IT AFRAID" IS"DO THE FUTURE AFRAID."
  • 00:48:09.131 --> 00:48:09.966
  • "DO THE FUTURE AFRAID."- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:48:09.966 --> 00:48:10.499
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: DO IT AFRAID.
  • 00:48:10.499 --> 00:48:11.167
  • - MATT: DO IT AFRAID.DO SOMETHING GOD'S TOLD
  • 00:48:11.167 --> 00:48:11.734
  • DO SOMETHING GOD'S TOLDYOU TO DO.
  • 00:48:11.734 --> 00:48:13.703
  • YOU TO DO.JESUS DECLARED, "I AM
  • 00:48:13.703 --> 00:48:14.603
  • JESUS DECLARED, "I AMYOUR PEACE."
  • 00:48:14.603 --> 00:48:15.805
  • YOUR PEACE."- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:48:15.805 --> 00:48:17.406
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, YOU'RE NOT LIVING
  • 00:48:17.406 --> 00:48:21.210
  • - MATT: SO, YOU'RE NOT LIVINGIN EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN.
  • 00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:21.744
  • IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:48:21.744 --> 00:48:23.079
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: YOUR FAITH CAN LAY
  • 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:24.447
  • - MATT: YOUR FAITH CAN LAYHOLD OF THAT STATEMENT OF JESUS
  • 00:48:24.447 --> 00:48:27.216
  • HOLD OF THAT STATEMENT OF JESUSWHEN HE SAID: I AM YOUR PEACE.
  • 00:48:27.216 --> 00:48:27.917
  • WHEN HE SAID: I AM YOUR PEACE.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:48:27.917 --> 00:48:28.551
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, HE EITHER IS
  • 00:48:28.551 --> 00:48:29.018
  • - MATT: SO, HE EITHER ISOR HE ISN'T.
  • 00:48:29.018 --> 00:48:29.418
  • OR HE ISN'T.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:48:29.418 --> 00:48:30.052
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS
  • 00:48:30.052 --> 00:48:30.686
  • - MATT: AND IT'S AS SIMPLE ASTHAT -- KINDA, ISN'T IT?
  • 00:48:30.686 --> 00:48:31.320
  • THAT -- KINDA, ISN'T IT?- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:32.154
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- JOYCE: "FEAR NOT, FOR I AM
  • 00:48:32.154 --> 00:48:32.989
  • - JOYCE: "FEAR NOT, FOR I AMWITH YOU."
  • 00:48:32.989 --> 00:48:34.290
  • WITH YOU."YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DISCIPLES
  • 00:48:34.290 --> 00:48:39.295
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DISCIPLESGOT AFRAID...IN THE BOAT,
  • 00:48:39.295 --> 00:48:39.895
  • GOT AFRAID...IN THE BOAT,AND HE KINDA CORRECTED THEM,
  • 00:48:39.895 --> 00:48:41.630
  • AND HE KINDA CORRECTED THEM,OR LOVINGLY REBUKED THEM,
  • 00:48:41.630 --> 00:48:43.032
  • OR LOVINGLY REBUKED THEM,FOR THEIR FEAR, HE SAID:
  • 00:48:43.032 --> 00:48:46.702
  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S KIND OF AN
  • 00:48:49.638 --> 00:48:50.072
  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S KIND OF ANINTERESTING THING.
  • 00:48:50.072 --> 00:48:50.840
  • INTERESTING THING.WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF "I AM"?
  • 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:51.507
  • WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF "I AM"?WELL, HE'S NOT THE GREAT I WAS.
  • 00:48:51.507 --> 00:48:54.510
  • WELL, HE'S NOT THE GREAT I WAS.OR THE GREAT I WILL BE.
  • 00:48:54.510 --> 00:48:56.345
  • OR THE GREAT I WILL BE.HE'S THE GREAT I AM BECAUSE
  • 00:48:56.345 --> 00:48:58.881
  • HE'S THE GREAT I AM BECAUSEHE'S PRESENT WITH US, EVERY
  • 00:48:58.881 --> 00:49:02.651
  • HE'S PRESENT WITH US, EVERYSECOND OF OUR LIFE.
  • 00:49:02.651 --> 00:49:06.489
  • SECOND OF OUR LIFE.WHEN JESUS ASCENDED, HE
  • 00:49:06.489 --> 00:49:08.424
  • WHEN JESUS ASCENDED, HESENT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO WAS
  • 00:49:08.424 --> 00:49:10.760
  • SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO WASALSO FULLY GOD -- GOD THE
  • 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:12.161
  • ALSO FULLY GOD -- GOD THEFATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE
  • 00:49:12.161 --> 00:49:15.364
  • FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THEHOLY SPIRIT -- TO LIVE IN US...
  • 00:49:15.364 --> 00:49:17.566
  • HOLY SPIRIT -- TO LIVE IN US...IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, HE WAS
  • 00:49:17.566 --> 00:49:18.901
  • IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, HE WASWITH PEOPLE.
  • 00:49:18.901 --> 00:49:21.070
  • WITH PEOPLE.BUT HE IS IN US AND HE'S CALLED
  • 00:49:21.070 --> 00:49:23.906
  • BUT HE IS IN US AND HE'S CALLEDTHE HELPER,
  • 00:49:23.906 --> 00:49:26.342
  • THE HELPER,THE COUNSELOR,
  • 00:49:26.342 --> 00:49:28.611
  • THE COUNSELOR,THE STRENGTHENER.
  • 00:49:28.611 --> 00:49:30.212
  • THE STRENGTHENER.HE'S THERE TO HELP US WITH
  • 00:49:30.212 --> 00:49:32.048
  • HE'S THERE TO HELP US WITHEVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
  • 00:49:32.048 --> 00:49:32.681
  • EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.- LAURIE: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
  • 00:49:32.681 --> 00:49:35.818
  • - LAURIE: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUWERE TALKING ABOUT...WHEN--
  • 00:49:35.818 --> 00:49:37.086
  • WERE TALKING ABOUT...WHEN--WHEN YOU START DOING THIS, WHEN
  • 00:49:37.086 --> 00:49:38.521
  • WHEN YOU START DOING THIS, WHENYOU STEP OUT IN FAITH, AND THEN
  • 00:49:38.521 --> 00:49:41.490
  • YOU STEP OUT IN FAITH, AND THENGOD MEETS YOU THERE...
  • 00:49:41.490 --> 00:49:43.025
  • GOD MEETS YOU THERE...AND THEN YOU TAKE ANOTHER STEP
  • 00:49:43.025 --> 00:49:44.226
  • AND THEN YOU TAKE ANOTHER STEPOF FAITH, AND GOD WILL MEET YOU
  • 00:49:44.226 --> 00:49:45.795
  • OF FAITH, AND GOD WILL MEET YOUTHERE, 'CAUSE HE'S SO FAITHFUL.
  • 00:49:45.795 --> 00:49:46.295
  • THERE, 'CAUSE HE'S SO FAITHFUL.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:49:46.295 --> 00:49:48.264
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE: AND THE HARDER IT
  • 00:49:48.264 --> 00:49:49.065
  • - LAURIE: AND THE HARDER ITLOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKE
  • 00:49:49.065 --> 00:49:50.900
  • LOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKETHROUGH THE YEARS, AND
  • 00:49:50.900 --> 00:49:54.637
  • THROUGH THE YEARS, ANDLIVING THIS OUT-- AND WE'RE AT
  • 00:49:54.637 --> 00:49:55.905
  • LIVING THIS OUT-- AND WE'RE ATA RIPE AGE OF LOOKING BACK,
  • 00:49:55.905 --> 00:49:58.107
  • A RIPE AGE OF LOOKING BACK,NOW...
  • 00:49:58.107 --> 00:49:58.741
  • NOW...- JOYCE: THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO
  • 00:49:58.741 --> 00:49:59.275
  • - JOYCE: THAT'S A GOOD WAY TOPUT IT.
  • 00:49:59.275 --> 00:50:00.476
  • PUT IT.- LAURIE: AND SAYING,
  • 00:50:00.476 --> 00:50:01.510
  • - LAURIE: AND SAYING,"MAN, HE'S BEEN FAITHFUL,
  • 00:50:01.510 --> 00:50:02.778
  • "MAN, HE'S BEEN FAITHFUL,ALL ALONG."
  • 00:50:02.778 --> 00:50:04.380
  • ALL ALONG."AND THE HARDER IT LOOKS NOW,
  • 00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:06.882
  • AND THE HARDER IT LOOKS NOW,THE EASIER IT GETS.
  • 00:50:06.882 --> 00:50:07.983
  • THE EASIER IT GETS.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:50:07.983 --> 00:50:09.051
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE: BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE
  • 00:50:09.051 --> 00:50:10.119
  • - LAURIE: BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEFAITHFULNESS OF GOD.
  • 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:10.753
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD.- JOYCE: THAT'S WHAT I MEANT
  • 00:50:10.753 --> 00:50:11.320
  • - JOYCE: THAT'S WHAT I MEANTBY HAVING EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:11.787
  • BY HAVING EXPERIENCE.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:50:11.787 --> 00:50:12.521
  • - MATT: YEAH.- LAURIE: EXACTLY.
  • 00:50:12.521 --> 00:50:13.489
  • - LAURIE: EXACTLY.- JOYCE: AND SO, THESE PEOPLE
  • 00:50:13.489 --> 00:50:15.024
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, THESE PEOPLEWHO DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE
  • 00:50:15.024 --> 00:50:16.625
  • WHO DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCEWITH GOD -- THE ONLY WAY
  • 00:50:16.625 --> 00:50:18.194
  • WITH GOD -- THE ONLY WAYTHEY'RE GOING TO GET IT IS TO
  • 00:50:18.194 --> 00:50:21.130
  • THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT IS TOSTEP OUT INTO THESE THINGS
  • 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:22.198
  • STEP OUT INTO THESE THINGSAND SEE...
  • 00:50:22.198 --> 00:50:23.365
  • AND SEE...GIVE GOD A CHANCE TO BE
  • 00:50:23.365 --> 00:50:24.600
  • GIVE GOD A CHANCE TO BEFAITHFUL TO YOU.
  • 00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:25.734
  • FAITHFUL TO YOU.- LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:50:25.734 --> 00:50:26.302
  • - LAURIE: YES.- JOYCE: DON'T JUST KEEP
  • 00:50:26.302 --> 00:50:26.902
  • - JOYCE: DON'T JUST KEEPTRYING TO DO EVERYTHING
  • 00:50:26.902 --> 00:50:27.670
  • TRYING TO DO EVERYTHINGYOURSELF.
  • 00:50:27.670 --> 00:50:29.138
  • YOURSELF.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:50:29.138 --> 00:50:29.705
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:50:29.705 --> 00:50:30.339
  • - JOYCE: AND, THAT'S WHATMAKES PEOPLE MISERABLE.
  • 00:50:30.339 --> 00:50:30.973
  • MAKES PEOPLE MISERABLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:50:30.973 --> 00:50:31.640
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: IT'S TRYING TO TAKE
  • 00:50:31.640 --> 00:50:32.541
  • - JOYCE: IT'S TRYING TO TAKECARE OF YOURSELF ALL THE TIME
  • 00:50:32.541 --> 00:50:34.310
  • CARE OF YOURSELF ALL THE TIMEWHEN GOD WANTS TO HELP YOU AND
  • 00:50:34.310 --> 00:50:35.177
  • WHEN GOD WANTS TO HELP YOU ANDBE INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING
  • 00:50:35.177 --> 00:50:36.078
  • BE INVOLVED IN EVERYTHINGTHAT YOU DO.
  • 00:50:36.078 --> 00:50:36.745
  • THAT YOU DO.- LAURIE: SO GOOD.
  • 00:50:36.745 --> 00:50:38.948
  • - LAURIE: SO GOOD.- MATT: SO, THIS-- THIS WHOLE
  • 00:50:38.948 --> 00:50:40.015
  • - MATT: SO, THIS-- THIS WHOLEINTERVIEW HAS FELT LIKE A
  • 00:50:40.015 --> 00:50:41.250
  • INTERVIEW HAS FELT LIKE AMASTER-CLASS KIND OF THING.
  • 00:50:41.250 --> 00:50:42.952
  • MASTER-CLASS KIND OF THING.BECAUSE, JOYCE, YOU BASICALLY
  • 00:50:42.952 --> 00:50:45.721
  • BECAUSE, JOYCE, YOU BASICALLYARE NOW SELF-ADMITTEDLY SAYING
  • 00:50:45.721 --> 00:50:47.656
  • ARE NOW SELF-ADMITTEDLY SAYINGYOU WERE THE LEAST LIKELY...YOU
  • 00:50:47.656 --> 00:50:48.991
  • YOU WERE THE LEAST LIKELY...YOUWERE KIND OF-- YOU WERE KIND OF
  • 00:50:48.991 --> 00:50:50.259
  • WERE KIND OF-- YOU WERE KIND OFSCREWED UP BACK IN THOSE DAYS.
  • 00:50:50.259 --> 00:50:51.260
  • SCREWED UP BACK IN THOSE DAYS.- JOYCE: [LAUGHS]
  • 00:50:51.260 --> 00:50:53.696
  • - JOYCE: [LAUGHS]"KIND OF" DOESN'T COVER IT.
  • 00:50:53.696 --> 00:50:54.263
  • "KIND OF" DOESN'T COVER IT.- MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:50:54.263 --> 00:50:54.563
  • - MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:50:54.563 --> 00:50:55.131
  • [LAUGHTER]SO, YOU WERE SCREWED UP IN
  • 00:50:55.131 --> 00:50:56.031
  • SO, YOU WERE SCREWED UP INTHOSE DAYS AND YOU'RE PAST IT.
  • 00:50:56.031 --> 00:50:57.700
  • THOSE DAYS AND YOU'RE PAST IT.SO, YOU HAVE DELIVERED A LOT OF
  • 00:50:57.700 --> 00:51:01.003
  • SO, YOU HAVE DELIVERED A LOT OFWISDOM THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
  • 00:51:01.003 --> 00:51:03.072
  • WISDOM THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DID
  • 00:51:03.072 --> 00:51:06.041
  • WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DIDSOMETHING AFRAID?
  • 00:51:06.041 --> 00:51:06.775
  • SOMETHING AFRAID?- JOYCE: OKAY, WELL, LET'S
  • 00:51:06.775 --> 00:51:08.043
  • - JOYCE: OKAY, WELL, LET'SJUST-- LET'S JUST SAY...WE'RE
  • 00:51:08.043 --> 00:51:09.245
  • JUST-- LET'S JUST SAY...WE'REIN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PANDEMIC.
  • 00:51:09.245 --> 00:51:10.513
  • IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PANDEMIC.WE CAN'T HAVE OUR CONFERENCES.
  • 00:51:10.513 --> 00:51:11.247
  • WE CAN'T HAVE OUR CONFERENCES.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:51:11.247 --> 00:51:13.149
  • - MATT: OKAY.- LAURIE: MMM...
  • 00:51:13.149 --> 00:51:13.749
  • - LAURIE: MMM...- JOYCE: SO...I STILL GOTTA
  • 00:51:13.749 --> 00:51:14.683
  • - JOYCE: SO...I STILL GOTTABE ON TV.
  • 00:51:14.683 --> 00:51:15.751
  • BE ON TV.SO, WHAT AM I GONNA DO?
  • 00:51:15.751 --> 00:51:16.919
  • SO, WHAT AM I GONNA DO?WELL, NOW, I'M DOIN' MY
  • 00:51:16.919 --> 00:51:19.421
  • WELL, NOW, I'M DOIN' MYCONFERENCES WITH NO PEOPLE...
  • 00:51:19.421 --> 00:51:21.657
  • CONFERENCES WITH NO PEOPLE...AND I'M JUST TALKIN'
  • 00:51:21.657 --> 00:51:23.492
  • AND I'M JUST TALKIN'TO CAMERAS.
  • 00:51:23.492 --> 00:51:24.660
  • TO CAMERAS.WELL...AT FIRST, I THOUGHT:
  • 00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:25.594
  • WELL...AT FIRST, I THOUGHT:I CAN'T DO THAT!
  • 00:51:25.594 --> 00:51:26.829
  • I CAN'T DO THAT!- MATT: OH, WOW.
  • 00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:27.830
  • - MATT: OH, WOW.- JOYCE: I GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE.
  • 00:51:27.830 --> 00:51:28.330
  • - JOYCE: I GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE.YOU KNOW?
  • 00:51:28.330 --> 00:51:29.098
  • YOU KNOW?- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:51:29.098 --> 00:51:29.899
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: I MEAN, IF
  • 00:51:29.899 --> 00:51:32.301
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, IFYOU'RE FUNNY, NOBODY LAUGHS.
  • 00:51:32.301 --> 00:51:33.269
  • YOU'RE FUNNY, NOBODY LAUGHS.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING
  • 00:51:33.269 --> 00:51:35.304
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHINGHEARTILY]
  • 00:51:35.304 --> 00:51:36.272
  • HEARTILY]- MATT: I HATE THAT, BY THE
  • 00:51:36.272 --> 00:51:36.772
  • - MATT: I HATE THAT, BY THEWAY.
  • 00:51:36.772 --> 00:51:37.239
  • WAY.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:38.174
  • [LAUGHTER]- JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S LIKE--
  • 00:51:38.174 --> 00:51:38.741
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S LIKE--IT'S LIKE THE MOST DEADPAN
  • 00:51:38.741 --> 00:51:40.943
  • IT'S LIKE THE MOST DEADPANTHING...
  • 00:51:40.943 --> 00:51:42.178
  • THING...[MATT LAUGHING DEEPLY]
  • 00:51:42.178 --> 00:51:43.445
  • [MATT LAUGHING DEEPLY]...TO TRY TO...BE
  • 00:51:43.445 --> 00:51:44.613
  • ...TO TRY TO...BEANOINTED TO A CAMERA LENS.
  • 00:51:44.613 --> 00:51:46.248
  • ANOINTED TO A CAMERA LENS.AND SO, I HAD TO REALLY TRUST
  • 00:51:46.248 --> 00:51:47.816
  • AND SO, I HAD TO REALLY TRUSTGOD THAT HE WAS GOING TO
  • 00:51:47.816 --> 00:51:48.317
  • GOD THAT HE WAS GOING TOGIVE ME A DIFFERENT,
  • 00:51:48.317 --> 00:51:50.019
  • GIVE ME A DIFFERENT,A SPECIAL--
  • 00:51:50.019 --> 00:51:50.786
  • A SPECIAL--- MATT: THAT IS INTERESTING.
  • 00:51:50.786 --> 00:51:51.387
  • - MATT: THAT IS INTERESTING.- JOYCE: --A UNIQUE KIND OF
  • 00:51:51.387 --> 00:51:52.321
  • - JOYCE: --A UNIQUE KIND OFANOINTING.
  • 00:51:52.321 --> 00:51:53.923
  • ANOINTING.AND, YOU KNOW, NOW -- I MEAN,
  • 00:51:53.923 --> 00:51:55.124
  • AND, YOU KNOW, NOW -- I MEAN,THEY TELL ME I'M REALLY
  • 00:51:55.124 --> 00:51:56.792
  • THEY TELL ME I'M REALLYGOOD AT IT.
  • 00:51:56.792 --> 00:51:58.027
  • GOOD AT IT.AND, SOME PEOPLE LIKE
  • 00:51:58.027 --> 00:51:59.728
  • AND, SOME PEOPLE LIKEIT EVEN BETTER...
  • 00:51:59.728 --> 00:52:00.563
  • IT EVEN BETTER...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:00.563 --> 00:52:03.232
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...BECAUSE IT'S MORE PERSONAL.
  • 00:52:03.232 --> 00:52:04.400
  • ...BECAUSE IT'S MORE PERSONAL.NOW, IT'S HARDER, PHYSICALLY--
  • 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:05.201
  • NOW, IT'S HARDER, PHYSICALLY--- LAURIE: SURE.
  • 00:52:05.201 --> 00:52:05.968
  • - LAURIE: SURE.- JOYCE: --BECAUSE...IF YOU'RE
  • 00:52:05.968 --> 00:52:06.969
  • - JOYCE: --BECAUSE...IF YOU'REIN A CROWD OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:52:06.969 --> 00:52:07.803
  • IN A CROWD OF PEOPLE,EVERY TIME THEY CLAP,
  • 00:52:07.803 --> 00:52:08.737
  • EVERY TIME THEY CLAP,YOU GET TO REST A SECOND.
  • 00:52:08.737 --> 00:52:09.205
  • YOU GET TO REST A SECOND.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:09.205 --> 00:52:10.105
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.[LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:10.105 --> 00:52:10.673
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: EVERY TIME THEY
  • 00:52:10.673 --> 00:52:11.340
  • - JOYCE: EVERY TIME THEYLAUGH, YOU GET TO REST A
  • 00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:11.874
  • LAUGH, YOU GET TO REST ASECOND.
  • 00:52:11.874 --> 00:52:13.242
  • SECOND.- MATT: YEAH!
  • 00:52:13.242 --> 00:52:13.909
  • - MATT: YEAH!- JOYCE: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:15.044
  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE NOTHEARING ANY OF THE CLAPPING
  • 00:52:15.044 --> 00:52:16.378
  • HEARING ANY OF THE CLAPPINGOR...OR EVEN, LIKE, WHEN I GET
  • 00:52:16.378 --> 00:52:17.580
  • OR...OR EVEN, LIKE, WHEN I GETFINISHED AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE
  • 00:52:17.580 --> 00:52:18.647
  • FINISHED AND I FEEL LIKE I'VEPREACHED MY HEART OUT--
  • 00:52:18.647 --> 00:52:19.381
  • PREACHED MY HEART OUT--- LAURIE: THE FEEDBACK!
  • 00:52:19.381 --> 00:52:19.949
  • - LAURIE: THE FEEDBACK!- JOYCE: --AND IT'S JUST
  • 00:52:19.949 --> 00:52:21.417
  • - JOYCE: --AND IT'S JUSTTOTALLY DEAD IN THE STUDIO.
  • 00:52:21.417 --> 00:52:22.518
  • TOTALLY DEAD IN THE STUDIO.[MATT CLAPS, ECHO OF EMPTY
  • 00:52:22.518 --> 00:52:23.285
  • [MATT CLAPS, ECHO OF EMPTYSTUDIO]
  • 00:52:23.285 --> 00:52:23.919
  • STUDIO]IT'S LIKE...I FEEL LIKE I NEED
  • 00:52:23.919 --> 00:52:24.820
  • IT'S LIKE...I FEEL LIKE I NEEDTO HIRE ME A COUPLE OF CLAPPERS
  • 00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:26.188
  • TO HIRE ME A COUPLE OF CLAPPERSSITTIN' THERE, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:52:26.188 --> 00:52:27.056
  • SITTIN' THERE, ACTUALLY.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:52:27.056 --> 00:52:27.656
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]- LAURIE: WHERE'S THE CLAP
  • 00:52:27.656 --> 00:52:27.957
  • - LAURIE: WHERE'S THE CLAPTRACK?
  • 00:52:27.957 --> 00:52:28.390
  • TRACK?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:28.390 --> 00:52:28.991
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: CLAP! CLAP!
  • 00:52:28.991 --> 00:52:29.725
  • - JOYCE: CLAP! CLAP!(CLAPPING) THIS IS WHERE YOU
  • 00:52:29.725 --> 00:52:30.326
  • (CLAPPING) THIS IS WHERE YOUCLAP!
  • 00:52:30.326 --> 00:52:31.393
  • CLAP!- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:52:31.393 --> 00:52:31.994
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND SO, I HAD TO--
  • 00:52:31.994 --> 00:52:32.628
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, I HAD TO--- LAURIE: IT'S TRUE, THOUGH,
  • 00:52:32.628 --> 00:52:32.928
  • - LAURIE: IT'S TRUE, THOUGH,ISN'T IT?
  • 00:52:32.928 --> 00:52:33.529
  • ISN'T IT?- MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:33.529 --> 00:52:34.163
  • - MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.- JOYCE: I HAD TO STEP OUT...
  • 00:52:34.163 --> 00:52:34.663
  • - JOYCE: I HAD TO STEP OUT...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:34.663 --> 00:52:35.698
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND DO THAT...
  • 00:52:35.698 --> 00:52:36.098
  • - JOYCE: ...AND DO THAT...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:36.098 --> 00:52:37.233
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND...
  • 00:52:37.233 --> 00:52:38.033
  • - JOYCE: ...AND...- MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:38.033 --> 00:52:39.101
  • - MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.- JOYCE: ...BELIEVE THAT GOD--
  • 00:52:39.101 --> 00:52:39.868
  • - JOYCE: ...BELIEVE THAT GOD--SO, I THINK, REALLY, WE'RE
  • 00:52:39.868 --> 00:52:40.936
  • SO, I THINK, REALLY, WE'REALWAYS DOING THINGS AFRAID.
  • 00:52:40.936 --> 00:52:42.271
  • ALWAYS DOING THINGS AFRAID.- LAURIE: YEAH...
  • 00:52:42.271 --> 00:52:43.105
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...- MATT: INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:43.105 --> 00:52:44.406
  • - MATT: INTERESTING.- JOYCE: ALWAYS.
  • 00:52:44.406 --> 00:52:46.275
  • - JOYCE: ALWAYS.WHEN IT BECOMES A PART OF YOU,
  • 00:52:46.275 --> 00:52:49.979
  • WHEN IT BECOMES A PART OF YOU,THIS KNOWING GOD, KNOWING HIS
  • 00:52:49.979 --> 00:52:52.448
  • THIS KNOWING GOD, KNOWING HISCHARACTER AND HAVING EXPERIENCE
  • 00:52:52.448 --> 00:52:54.516
  • CHARACTER AND HAVING EXPERIENCEWITH HIM, IT'S SO VALUABLE TO
  • 00:52:54.516 --> 00:52:56.185
  • WITH HIM, IT'S SO VALUABLE TOGO THROUGH THE THINGS THAT
  • 00:52:56.185 --> 00:52:58.187
  • GO THROUGH THE THINGS THATWE'VE GONE THROUGH, OR THE
  • 00:52:58.187 --> 00:52:59.622
  • WE'VE GONE THROUGH, OR THETHINGS THAT YOUR MOM AND DAD
  • 00:52:59.622 --> 00:53:01.523
  • THINGS THAT YOUR MOM AND DADWENT THROUGH.
  • 00:53:01.523 --> 00:53:02.057
  • WENT THROUGH.AND I WANNA TELL YOU
  • 00:53:02.057 --> 00:53:04.560
  • AND I WANNA TELL YOUSOMETHING: THERE'S NOBODY
  • 00:53:04.560 --> 00:53:05.794
  • SOMETHING: THERE'S NOBODYTHAT'S A REAL, TRUE, GENUINE
  • 00:53:05.794 --> 00:53:08.664
  • THAT'S A REAL, TRUE, GENUINESUCCESS THAT HASN'T BEEN
  • 00:53:08.664 --> 00:53:10.366
  • SUCCESS THAT HASN'T BEENTHROUGH THAT KIND OF STUFF.
  • 00:53:10.366 --> 00:53:11.033
  • THROUGH THAT KIND OF STUFF.AND IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO
  • 00:53:11.033 --> 00:53:12.401
  • AND IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GOTHROUGH THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:53:12.401 --> 00:53:13.636
  • THROUGH THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNAGIVE UP IN THAT, YOU'RE NEVER
  • 00:53:13.636 --> 00:53:14.637
  • GIVE UP IN THAT, YOU'RE NEVERGONNA MAKE IT TO THE END.
  • 00:53:14.637 --> 00:53:16.138
  • GONNA MAKE IT TO THE END.FULFILLMENT OF YOUR DREAMS.
  • 00:53:16.138 --> 00:53:17.239
  • FULFILLMENT OF YOUR DREAMS.I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE'S A
  • 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:18.941
  • I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE'S ABEGINNING, THERE'S A MIDDLE,
  • 00:53:18.941 --> 00:53:20.876
  • BEGINNING, THERE'S A MIDDLE,AND THERE'S AN END.
  • 00:53:20.876 --> 00:53:22.378
  • AND THERE'S AN END.AND BEGINNINGS ARE EXCITING.
  • 00:53:22.378 --> 00:53:23.045
  • AND BEGINNINGS ARE EXCITING.[SLAPS HAND HARD]
  • 00:53:23.045 --> 00:53:23.812
  • [SLAPS HAND HARD][MATT LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:23.812 --> 00:53:24.513
  • [MATT LAUGHS]EVERYBODY'S HAPPY FOR YOU...
  • 00:53:24.513 --> 00:53:25.314
  • EVERYBODY'S HAPPY FOR YOU...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:25.314 --> 00:53:26.148
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
  • 00:53:26.148 --> 00:53:27.283
  • ...FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:53:27.283 --> 00:53:28.117
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND THEN, YOU FIND
  • 00:53:28.117 --> 00:53:29.952
  • - JOYCE: AND THEN, YOU FINDIT'S JUST YOU...AND GOD...AND
  • 00:53:29.952 --> 00:53:32.688
  • IT'S JUST YOU...AND GOD...ANDYOUR DREAM.
  • 00:53:32.688 --> 00:53:33.455
  • YOUR DREAM.AND THE DEVIL'S TELLING YOU
  • 00:53:33.455 --> 00:53:35.491
  • AND THE DEVIL'S TELLING YOUYOU'RE CRAZY.
  • 00:53:35.491 --> 00:53:36.058
  • YOU'RE CRAZY.AND, HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED
  • 00:53:36.058 --> 00:53:37.359
  • AND, HAVE YOU EVER NOTICEDHOW SLOW GOD IS?
  • 00:53:37.359 --> 00:53:39.228
  • HOW SLOW GOD IS?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:39.228 --> 00:53:40.996
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]HOW HE JUST TAKES HIS
  • 00:53:40.996 --> 00:53:42.765
  • HOW HE JUST TAKES HISTIME ABOUT THINGS.
  • 00:53:42.765 --> 00:53:43.866
  • TIME ABOUT THINGS.AND THINGS HE COULD DO IN JUST
  • 00:53:43.866 --> 00:53:44.566
  • AND THINGS HE COULD DO IN JUSTA FEW SECONDS, HE TAKES YEARS
  • 00:53:44.566 --> 00:53:46.702
  • A FEW SECONDS, HE TAKES YEARSTO DO.
  • 00:53:46.702 --> 00:53:48.037
  • TO DO.- LAURIE: YEARS.
  • 00:53:48.037 --> 00:53:49.605
  • - LAURIE: YEARS.- JOYCE: AND, THERE'S THE END.
  • 00:53:49.605 --> 00:53:50.673
  • - JOYCE: AND, THERE'S THE END.WELL, WE'RE ALL-- WHEN YOU
  • 00:53:50.673 --> 00:53:51.940
  • WELL, WE'RE ALL-- WHEN YOUFINISH AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT
  • 00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:53.342
  • FINISH AND IT'S BEEN A GREATSUCCESS, THAT'S EXCITING.
  • 00:53:53.342 --> 00:53:55.144
  • SUCCESS, THAT'S EXCITING.BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE NEVER MAKE
  • 00:53:55.144 --> 00:53:56.478
  • BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE NEVER MAKEIT THROUGH THE MIDDLE?
  • 00:53:56.478 --> 00:53:57.613
  • IT THROUGH THE MIDDLE?- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:53:57.613 --> 00:53:59.148
  • - MATT: MMH.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:53:59.148 --> 00:53:59.815
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND SO, EVEN IN THESE
  • 00:53:59.815 --> 00:54:00.916
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, EVEN IN THESETIMES WE'RE IN, RIGHT NOW, THE
  • 00:54:00.916 --> 00:54:02.551
  • TIMES WE'RE IN, RIGHT NOW, THEWHOLE WORLD'S IN THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:54:02.551 --> 00:54:04.219
  • WHOLE WORLD'S IN THE MIDDLE OFSOMETHING...
  • 00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:05.220
  • SOMETHING...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:54:05.220 --> 00:54:05.821
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THAT WE'RE NOT
  • 00:54:05.821 --> 00:54:06.455
  • - JOYCE: ...THAT WE'RE NOTEVEN 100 PERCENT FOR SURE WHAT
  • 00:54:06.455 --> 00:54:08.957
  • EVEN 100 PERCENT FOR SURE WHATIT IS OR HOW LONG IT'S
  • 00:54:08.957 --> 00:54:11.060
  • IT IS OR HOW LONG IT'SGONNA LAST.
  • 00:54:11.060 --> 00:54:12.795
  • GONNA LAST.BUT, LET'S HAVE A TESTIMONY...
  • 00:54:12.795 --> 00:54:16.131
  • BUT, LET'S HAVE A TESTIMONY...WHEN IT'S FINISHED:
  • 00:54:16.131 --> 00:54:17.599
  • WHEN IT'S FINISHED:I'M STILL HERE.
  • 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.300
  • I'M STILL HERE.- LAURIE: AMEN.
  • 00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:19.335
  • - LAURIE: AMEN.SO GOOD.
  • 00:54:19.335 --> 00:54:21.970
  • - MATT:...MY DADDY USED TO SAY,
  • 00:54:24.106 --> 00:54:26.408
  • - MATT:...MY DADDY USED TO SAY,"GOD, WHY DO YOU WAIT TILL
  • 00:54:26.408 --> 00:54:28.110
  • "GOD, WHY DO YOU WAIT TILLTHE LAST MINUTE ALL THE TIME?"
  • 00:54:28.110 --> 00:54:30.012
  • THE LAST MINUTE ALL THE TIME?"WHEN THE EGYPTIAN ARMY IS
  • 00:54:30.012 --> 00:54:32.147
  • WHEN THE EGYPTIAN ARMY ISSWOOPING DOWN ON THE ISRAELIS--
  • 00:54:32.147 --> 00:54:33.349
  • SWOOPING DOWN ON THE ISRAELIS--- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:54:33.349 --> 00:54:34.183
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: --AND, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:54:34.183 --> 00:54:35.150
  • - MATT: --AND, YOU KNOW, THERED SEA PARTS AT THE LAST
  • 00:54:35.150 --> 00:54:35.684
  • RED SEA PARTS AT THE LASTMINUTE.
  • 00:54:35.684 --> 00:54:36.585
  • MINUTE.AND HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, "SO
  • 00:54:36.585 --> 00:54:38.854
  • AND HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, "SOTHAT MAN WOULD KNOW THAT HE
  • 00:54:38.854 --> 00:54:41.090
  • THAT MAN WOULD KNOW THAT HECAN'T HAVE THE GLORY, THAT THE
  • 00:54:41.090 --> 00:54:42.224
  • CAN'T HAVE THE GLORY, THAT THEGLORY HAS TO GO TO GOD,"
  • 00:54:42.224 --> 00:54:42.758
  • GLORY HAS TO GO TO GOD,"YOU KNOW.
  • 00:54:42.758 --> 00:54:43.225
  • YOU KNOW.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:54:43.225 --> 00:54:44.626
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: YOU KNOW, SUCH A...
  • 00:54:44.626 --> 00:54:47.596
  • - MATT: YOU KNOW, SUCH A...SUCH A DEEP SUBJECT.
  • 00:54:47.596 --> 00:54:48.297
  • SUCH A DEEP SUBJECT.THIS BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID" IS
  • 00:54:48.297 --> 00:54:49.698
  • THIS BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID" ISBRAND-NEW.
  • 00:54:49.698 --> 00:54:52.434
  • BRAND-NEW.IT IS IN, PUBLISHED HERE IN
  • 00:54:52.434 --> 00:54:54.103
  • IT IS IN, PUBLISHED HERE IN2020.
  • 00:54:54.103 --> 00:54:55.270
  • 2020."DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACING
  • 00:54:55.270 --> 00:54:56.872
  • "DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACINGCOURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."
  • 00:54:56.872 --> 00:54:58.240
  • COURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:54:58.240 --> 00:54:58.807
  • JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOU FORBEING WITH US.
  • 00:54:58.807 --> 00:55:00.476
  • BEING WITH US.- LAURIE: YOU'RE AMAZING.
  • 00:55:00.476 --> 00:55:01.143
  • - LAURIE: YOU'RE AMAZING.- JOYCE: OH, THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:55:01.143 --> 00:55:01.510
  • - JOYCE: OH, THANK YOU FORTHAT.
  • 00:55:01.510 --> 00:55:02.144
  • THAT.- LAURIE: AND WE ALL LOVE YOU
  • 00:55:02.144 --> 00:55:02.411
  • - LAURIE: AND WE ALL LOVE YOUDEARLY.
  • 00:55:02.411 --> 00:55:02.978
  • DEARLY.- MATT: AND I'M SURE THE
  • 00:55:02.978 --> 00:55:03.645
  • - MATT: AND I'M SURE THERATINGS HAVE BEEN CLIMBING EVER
  • 00:55:03.645 --> 00:55:04.213
  • RATINGS HAVE BEEN CLIMBING EVERSINCE YOU STARTED TALKING.
  • 00:55:04.213 --> 00:55:05.147
  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.- LAURIE: BYE-BYE.
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