Praise | Kirk Franklin, Dr. Tony Evans, & Robert Morris | March 12, 2020 | TBN

Praise | Kirk Franklin, Dr. Tony Evans, & Robert Morris | March 12, 2020

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Matt and Laurie Crouch host Kirk Franklin; Robert Morris; and Tony Evans from Dallas, TX.

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Praise | Kirk Franklin, Dr. Tony Evans, & Robert Morris | March 12, 2020

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  • - TONIGHT ON TBN...
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  • - SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ISAT IN THE SAME SEAT TO
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  • SHARE WITH YOU A DECISIONTHAT I MADE REGARDING THE
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  • DOVE AWARDS ANDTHE TBN NETWORK.
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  • WHEN THAT SPEECH AIREDON THE CHRISTIAN NETWORK
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  • TBN, THAT PART OF MYSPEECH WAS EDITED OUT.
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  • I WANT TO LET YOU KNOWTHIS WEEK A CONVERSATION
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  • TOOK PLACE THATWAS LONG OVERDUE.
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  • - MATT CROUCH: I WANTTO KNOW THE CONVERSATION
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  • THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
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  • IF I'M IGNORANT,WOULD YOU HELP ME?
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  • - THE CONVERSATION WASRACE AND THE CHURCH.
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  • IT WAS A PAINFUL BUTNECESSARY CONVERSATION,
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  • AND I THINK YOU'RE GOINGTO WANT TO SEE THIS.
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  • - I BELIEVE THAT BLACKAND BROWN PEOPLE IN THIS
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  • COUNTRY CONTINUOUSLY FEELLIKE THEY'RE EDITED OUT.
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  • - WHAT I REALIZED WASI'M IGNORANT OF THIS ISSUE.
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  • - FIND YOUR RACIAL PRIDEFIRST IN JESUS CHRIST,
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  • NOT FIRST IN THE CULTURE.
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  • - I'M LOOKING FORWARDTO YOU EXPERIENCING THIS
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  • MOMENT WITH ME.
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  • GET READY.
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  • - NEXT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MATT CROUCH: IT FEELSLIKE I GET AN OPPORTUNITY
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  • ON OCCASION TO LIVEOUT A SCRIPTURE.
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  • ALL THINGS WORKTOGETHER FOR GOOD.
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  • THERE CAN BE THINGS THATAREN'T GOOD THAT TURN
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  • GOOD, AND TONIGHT SITTINGWITH YOU THREE IS GOOD,
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  • AND WE'RE WALKING AWAYFROM NOT GOOD AND WE ARE
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  • NOW IN THE GOOD.
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  • THIS IS GOOD.
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  • I LOVE TODAY.
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  • KIRK, I'M ASKING YOU TOHELP ME WITH SOMETHING.
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  • PASTOR TONY, I'M ASKINGYOU TO HELP ME
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  • WITH SOMETHING.
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  • I WANT TO KNOW THECONVERSATION THAT NEEDS
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  • TO HAPPEN.
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  • I NEED TO BE INFORMED.
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  • I WANT ME AS A WHITEMAN TO BE MORE INFORMED
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  • BECAUSE OF THISCONVERSATION, BECAUSE OF
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  • YOU BEING HERE, BECAUSEOF YOU GETTING YOUR
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  • SCHEDULE COORDINATEDAND BEING HERE.
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  • AND WE'RE GOING TO TALKABOUT THE GOOD, BUT WE'RE
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  • RECOGNIZING WE'RE COMINGFROM SOMETHING
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  • THAT'S NOT GOOD.
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  • LONG BEFORE KIRK, PASTORROBERT, PASTOR TONY, WE
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  • WERE BORN LONG BEFORE WEINHERITED A SITUATION
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  • THAT WE'RE GOING TOUNPACK SOME TODAY.
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  • BUT KIRK, WOULDYOU HELP ME?
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  • WOULD YOU HELP MEUNDERSTAND WHAT I NEED
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  • TO UNDERSTAND?
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  • WOULD YOU INFORM ME?
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  • IF I'M IGNORANTWOULD YOU HELP ME?
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  • - YES, I THINK YOU EVENCREATING THIS OPPORTUNITY
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  • IS ONE OF THE GREATESTSTEPS TO JUST GATHERING
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  • INFORMATION, TO BEWILLING TO BE OPEN TO
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  • HEAR AND TO LISTEN.
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  • I COMMEND YOU AS A WHITEMAN, AND SO AS I STRIVE
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  • TO COMMUNICATE AND TRY TOBE VERY DIDACTIC IN MY
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  • EXPLANATION IN NOT ONLYHOW WE GOT HERE BUT SOME
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  • OF THE ISSUES THAT EVENTHOUGH WE MAY HAVE
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  • INHERITED SOME THINGS,THERE ARE ALSO SOME
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  • THINGS THAT WE ARE MAYBECONTRIBUTING AS WELL JUST
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  • BECAUSE I THINK THEOVERALL THEME CAN ALSO BE
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  • HOW THE FAILURE OF THECHURCH HAS CONTRIBUTED TO
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  • THE SYSTEMIC RACISM THATCONTINUES IN OUR CULTURE,
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  • AND IT HAS BEEN THEFAILURE OF THE CHURCH,
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  • AND WE CAN HAVE THECONVERSATION OF RACE IN A
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  • GENERAL ASPECT BUT ITHINK FOR THE 4 OF US IT
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  • IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEPIT THROUGH THE LENS OF
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  • OUR CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVEBECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE
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  • FROM THE FIRST INCEPTIONSHOULD HAVE BEEN THE
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  • LEADERS OF HEALING,OF UNITY, AND RACIAL
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  • RECONCILIATIONIN OUR COUNTRY.
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  • BUT IN ORDER TO DO THATWE ALSO HAVE TO, WE'VE
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  • GOT TO OWN SOMESTUFF, RIGHT.
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  • WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TOACKNOWLEDGE SOME STUFF,
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  • AND SO THIS IS NOT ACONVERSATION OF ME
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  • ATTEMPTING TO MAKEWHITE PEOPLE FEEL BAD FOR
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  • BEING WHITE.
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  • IT'S TO GIVE A BIGGERPERSPECTIVE ON THE
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  • HEARTBREAKS AND THE HURTS THATBLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IN
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  • AMERICA ARE LOOKING FORTHE CHURCH TO BE A SAFE
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  • HAVEN, BUT AT TIMES ITISN'T ALWAYS ANSWERING
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  • TO THAT CALL.
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  • A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW HOWI GOT HERE TO BE ABLE TO
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  • BE ON THIS STAGE WAS ANEXPERIENCE THAT I HAD
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  • LAST YEAR AT THE DOVEAWARDS WHERE THERE WAS
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  • SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENEDFOR ME AS A BLACK MAN WAS
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  • VERY HURTFUL AND PAINFUL,AND SO I MADE SOME
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  • DECISIONS THAT I WASGOING TO HUMBLY BACK OUT
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  • UNTIL THERE WERE SOMETANGIBLE THINGS PUT IN
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  • PLACE THAT COULD BE ABLETO SPEAK TO THE AREAS OF
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  • RACE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORKOF OUR CHRISTIAN EXPERIENCE.
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  • AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKINGFOR THE CULTURE TO ANSWER
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  • THE PROBLEMS THAT THECHURCH SHOULD BE LEADING IN.
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  • I'M NOT DOING THAT.
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  • WE SHOULD BELEADING THE CALL.
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  • WE SHOULD BE LEADING THECRY OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
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  • AND SO BECAUSE THERE WASSOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED
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  • THAT IF YOU'VE BEENFOLLOWING ME, ANYBODY
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  • THAT'S WATCHING THIS HASBEEN FOLLOWING ME OVER
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  • THE LAST SIX TO EIGHTMONTHS THEY KNOW THERE
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  • WAS SOMETHING THATHAPPENED THERE THAT
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  • CAUSED ME TO FEEL THISHEARTBREAK THAT I KNOW MY
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  • COMMUNITY HAS BEENWAITING FOR ME TO
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  • RESPOND TO.
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  • SO GROWING UP IN THECHURCH, GROWING UP IN
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  • CHRISTIAN AND GOSPELMUSIC THERE HAS BEEN
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  • NUMEROUS MOMENTS THATI'VE WANTED TO SEE A
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  • UNITY THAT INEVER SAW HAPPEN.
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  • I'LL GIVE YOU AGREAT EXAMPLE.
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  • I DID A SONG WITH TOBYMAC AND MANDESA, AND IT
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  • WAS A SONG OF TOBY'S.
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  • TOBY MAC FROM DC TALK,WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS
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  • FOR YEARS.
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  • SO HE INVITED ME TO DO ASONG ON HIS ALBUM CALLED
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  • I DON'T WANT TO GAIN THEWHOLE WORLD AND LOSE MY SOUL.
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  • SO HE ASKED ME TO COMEON AND I DID MY VERSE, I
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  • CREATED LIKE THE WHOLESECOND VERSE, AND I
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  • REMEMBER DRIVING DOWN THETOLL WAY HERE IN DALLAS
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  • ON A CHRISTIAN RADIOSTATION, AND THE SONG
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  • CAME ON THE RADIO.
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  • I WAS LIKE OH MAN,THIS IS THE SONG.
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  • THIS IS THE SONG.
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  • IF YOU DON'T KNOW,TOBY MAC IS A WHITE
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  • CHRISTIAN ARTIST.
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  • MANDESA SHE'S ANAFRICAN-AMERICAN SINGER
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  • THAT IS A CHRISTIANARTIST MAINLY IN THE
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  • WHITE CHRISTIANCOMMUNITY.
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  • THAT IS MORE OF THE SPACETHAT SHE EXISTS IN.
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  • SO THE SONG CAME ON.
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  • I'M LIKE OH MAN, THISSONG SOUNDS GOOD ON THE
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  • RADIO AND I'M TURNINGIT UP FOR MY VERSE.
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  • I'M READY FOR MY VERSE.
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  • AND THIS ISN'T20 YEARS AGO.
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  • THIS ISN'T 30 YEARS AGO.
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  • THIS WAS 7 OR 8, MAYBE10 MAX, SO WE'RE STILL
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  • LOOKING AT A MODERNAGE OF CONVERSATION.
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  • IT'S TIME FOR MY VERSE,AND THE RADIO GOES BLANK.
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  • THEY CUT MY ENTIRE VERSEOUT BECAUSE OF HOW I WAS
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  • COMMUNICATING MY FAITHCULTURALLY, MORE FROM A
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  • MORE URBANSWAGGY POSITION.
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  • NOW MIND YOU TOBYLOVED THE VERSE.
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  • HIS LABEL LOVEDTHE VERSE.
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  • THEY RELEASED THE SONG.
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  • IT WASN'T LIKE THIS WASA SONG THAT GOT LEAKED.
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  • TOBY AND HIS LABEL LOVEDTHE VERSE, BUT THE
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  • SYSTEMS FELT THAT MYVERSE WAS TOO BLACK.
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  • AND THAT REALLY BROKE MYHEART BECAUSE I'VE LIVED
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  • IN THE SPACE OF CHRISTIANMUSIC FOR SO LONG
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  • EVERYBODY HAS MY NUMBER.
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  • EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TOGET IN TOUCH WITH ME.
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  • I'M NOT A DIFFICULT GUYTO GET IN TOUCH WITH.
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  • IF THERE WAS SOME THINGSI SAID IN THE VERSE, FOR
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  • EXAMPLE I SAID SOMETHINGABOUT GOD IS NOT
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  • CONCERNED ABOUT 22'S,SO THEY THOUGHT I WAS
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  • TALKING ABOUT A GUN.
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  • I WAS TALKING ABOUT THESIZE OF RIMS ON A CAR.
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  • IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTANDIT, HEY KIRK, YOU SOUND
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  • GOOD ON THAT VERSION.
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  • CAN YOU EXPLAIN TOME WHAT 22'S ARE?
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  • BUT INSTEAD YOUEDIT OUT MY VERSE.
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  • I BELIEVE THAT BLACK ANDBROWN PEOPLE IN THIS
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  • COUNTRY CONTINUOUSLY FEELLIKE THEY'RE EDITED OUT.
  • 00:08:14.351 --> 00:08:17.988
  • AND SO YOU CAN ONLY GETEDITED OUT FOR SO LONG
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  • THAT AFTER A WHILE YOUDECIDE TO NOT WANT TO
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  • SHOW UP ANYMORE.
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  • SO YOU BEGIN TO BUILDYOUR OWN SYSTEMS, AND
  • 00:08:27.597 --> 00:08:29.799
  • SOMETIMES OUT SYSTEMS AREBUILT OUT OF ANGER AND
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  • FRUSTRATIONS, SO WHEN YOULEAVE THIS WHOLE LACK OF
  • 00:08:32.168 --> 00:08:36.139
  • ENGAGEMENT, THEN YOULEAVE PEOPLE TO BUILD
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  • THEIR OWN NARRATIVEOF WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
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  • AND I BELIEVE THATBECAUSE BEING VERY CANDID
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  • AND HONEST BLACK ANDBROWN PEOPLE DID NOT
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  • BUILD THE SYSTEM, SO ITIS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE
  • 00:08:48.285 --> 00:08:53.290
  • WHITE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITYTO LOOK AT BLACK AND
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  • BROWN PEOPLE TONECESSARILY FIX A SYSTEM
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  • THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVEA SAY SO IN HOW IT WAS
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  • BUILT BECAUSE THERE AREALSO INNER WORKINGS IN
  • 00:09:02.566 --> 00:09:05.368
  • THE SYSTEM THAT ARESYSTEMIC, SO IT'S NO
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  • LONGER RACE THAT WE KNEWRACE TO BE IN THE 19TH
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  • CENTURY OR THE18TH CENTURY.
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  • IT'S A NEW SYSTEMICRACISM THAT IT ALWAYS
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  • SEEMS TO BE WHERE BLACKAND BROWN PEOPLE ARE
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  • ALWAYS THE SUBJECTSOF THE EDIT.
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  • - PASTOR ROBERT.
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  • - WELL, UM, THATBREAKS MY HEART.
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  • YOU KNOW TO SIT HERE BY MYBROTHER THAT I LOVE, THAT
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  • I KNOW THAT, THAT WE GOTO LUNCH TOGETHER AND
  • 00:09:40.070 --> 00:09:42.072
  • HEAR THAT.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - AND WHAT IT REINFORCESIN ME IS HE'S EXPERIENCED
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  • A LOT OF THINGS I'VENEVER EXPERIENCED.
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  • I'VE NEVEREXPERIENCED THAT.
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  • AND YOU KNOW, BEFORE IGOT SAVED PEOPLE KNOW
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  • THAT I WAS INVOLVED INDRUGS, AND I GOT CAUGHT
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  • WITH DRUGS.
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  • WELL, MY DAD, EVERYBODYKNEW MY DAD IN TOWN.
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  • HE JUST TOOK CARE OF IT.
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  • I DIDN'T GO TO JAIL.
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  • MY DAD JUST PICKED ME UP.
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  • RUSHED AWAY.
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  • BUT NOT IF I'D BEEN ABLACK YOUNG MAN PROBABLY.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - I'M LEARNINGTHINGS I DIDN'T KNOW.
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  • I'M LEARNING THAT -AND IDON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER
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  • EARLIER, IT'S 6, 8, OR 10BUT IT'S SOMETHING LIKE
  • 00:10:21.311 --> 00:10:23.980
  • THAT, THAT A BLACK MAN FORTHE EXACT SAME CRIME GOES
  • 00:10:24.047 --> 00:10:26.549
  • TO JAIL 6 OR 8 LONGERTHAN A WHITE MAN.
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  • AND WHEN YOU HEAR THIS,AS A WHITE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:10:31.855 --> 00:10:36.593
  • YOU'RE HEARTSHOULD BREAK.
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  • IT ABSOLUTELYSHOULD BREAK.
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  • AND THEN YOU SHOULD SAYTO YOUR BROTHERS, HOW CAN
  • 00:10:42.332 --> 00:10:44.567
  • I BE A PART OFTHE SOLUTION?
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  • SO HERE'S ANOTHER STORYABOUT MY BROTHER KIRK
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  • THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARSAND I NEVER HEARD THAT.
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  • I'M SITTING HERE HOLDINGBACK THE TEARS THINKING
  • 00:10:52.375 --> 00:10:54.911
  • IT'S NOT JUST THATSOMETHING HAPPENED LIKE
  • 00:10:54.978 --> 00:10:57.247
  • YOU MENTIONED AT THE DOVEAWARDS AND THE TWO OF YOU
  • 00:10:57.313 --> 00:11:00.517
  • REACHED OUT, TALKED,AND SAID HEY, LET'S DO
  • 00:11:00.583 --> 00:11:03.420
  • SOMETHING TOFIX THE PROBLEM.
  • 00:11:03.486 --> 00:11:05.889
  • I COMMEND BOTHOF YOU FOR THAT.
  • 00:11:05.955 --> 00:11:08.224
  • BUT IT'S THAT HE'S GOTA LIST OF THESE STORIES
  • 00:11:08.291 --> 00:11:10.927
  • THAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:11:10.994 --> 00:11:12.462
  • - YES.
  • 00:11:12.529 --> 00:11:14.798
  • - AND SO IT JUST BREAKSMY HEART, BUT WHAT WE'VE
  • 00:11:14.864 --> 00:11:18.001
  • GOT TO DO IS WHATWE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:11:18.068 --> 00:11:19.936
  • WE'VE GOT TO TALK.
  • 00:11:20.003 --> 00:11:21.471
  • BUT I HAVE A PASTORFRIEND OF MINE,
  • 00:11:21.538 --> 00:11:23.206
  • AFRICAN-AMERICAN, AND HEMET WITH ALMOST EVERY
  • 00:11:23.273 --> 00:11:25.442
  • PASTOR IN TOWN SAYINGCOULD WE BRING OUR 2
  • 00:11:25.508 --> 00:11:28.044
  • CHURCHES TOGETHERJUST TO TALK?
  • 00:11:28.111 --> 00:11:30.146
  • AND ONLY ONE PASTORTHAT WOULD DO IT.
  • 00:11:30.213 --> 00:11:33.783
  • BUT THE WHITE PASTOR THATDID IT THEY'D MEET ON
  • 00:11:33.850 --> 00:11:37.721
  • WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, THEY'DHAVE DINNER TOGETHER, BUT
  • 00:11:37.787 --> 00:11:39.923
  • THEY SEATED IF THERE WERE4 BLACK PEOPLE AT THE
  • 00:11:39.989 --> 00:11:42.325
  • TABLE, THEREWERE 4 WHITE.
  • 00:11:42.392 --> 00:11:44.060
  • AND THEY MADE SURE,AND THEY SIMPLY ASKED
  • 00:11:44.127 --> 00:11:46.896
  • QUESTIONS LIKE THEYASKED, WHAT DO YOU FEEL
  • 00:11:46.963 --> 00:11:50.033
  • ABOUT PEOPLE NOTSTANDING DURING THE
  • 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:52.268
  • NATIONAL ANTHEM?
  • 00:11:52.335 --> 00:11:55.071
  • WELL, THE WHITE PERSONSAID MY FATHER DIED IN
  • 00:11:55.138 --> 00:11:57.741
  • WORLD WAR II, SO TO MEYOU'RE TAKING A STAND
  • 00:11:57.807 --> 00:12:00.777
  • AGAINST THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:12:00.844 --> 00:12:03.079
  • BUT WHEN THE BLACK PERSONSHARED WHAT HE FELT, THEY
  • 00:12:03.146 --> 00:12:05.682
  • BOTH WERE ABLETO SAY I'M SORRY.
  • 00:12:05.749 --> 00:12:08.585
  • I DIDN'T KNOW YOUFELT THAT WAY.
  • 00:12:08.651 --> 00:12:10.386
  • I THINK WE'VE GOT TODO SOME TALKING, AND I
  • 00:12:10.453 --> 00:12:12.589
  • REALLY BELIEVE IT NEEDSTO START WITH CHURCH.
  • 00:12:12.655 --> 00:12:14.924
  • - PASTOR TONY.
  • 00:12:14.991 --> 00:12:16.893
  • - I THINK I'M THE OLDESTPERSON OF THIS REGIME.
  • 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.496
  • - NO, YOU'RE NOT.
  • 00:12:19.562 --> 00:12:21.898
  • - I'M A 70 YEAR OLD MAN,AND I CAN TRACE FROM THE
  • 00:12:21.965 --> 00:12:24.334
  • EARLIEST DAYS, I REMEMBERGOING TO IT'S CALLED
  • 00:12:24.400 --> 00:12:30.774
  • WHITE TOWER IN BALTIMORE,MARYLAND, AND ON ONE
  • 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.210
  • OCCASION I SAID DAD,LET'S GO GET SOME
  • 00:12:34.277 --> 00:12:37.080
  • HAMBURGERS BECAUSE THEREWAS A HAMBURGER PLACE.
  • 00:12:37.147 --> 00:12:40.483
  • AND HE SAID OH, YOUCAN'T GO IN THERE.
  • 00:12:40.550 --> 00:12:42.352
  • THEY WON'TALLOW US THERE.
  • 00:12:42.418 --> 00:12:44.354
  • AND THAT'S WHAT HE WASEDUCATING ME ABOUT
  • 00:12:44.420 --> 00:12:46.456
  • SEGREGATION INBALTIMORE, MARYLAND.
  • 00:12:46.523 --> 00:12:48.892
  • AS A TEENAGER I REMEMBERBEING PULLED OVER BY A
  • 00:12:48.958 --> 00:12:51.161
  • WHITE POLICEMAN AND BEINGHELD THERE AND TOLD YOU
  • 00:12:51.227 --> 00:12:54.464
  • DON'T BELONG INTHIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
  • 00:12:54.531 --> 00:12:57.567
  • AND HE KEPT ME ALMOST ANHOUR ON THE SIDE OF THE
  • 00:12:57.634 --> 00:13:01.371
  • ROAD WHICH ALMOST GOTME FIRED FROM MY JOB.
  • 00:13:01.437 --> 00:13:05.308
  • AS A YOUNG MAN THEN INMINISTRY IN ATLANTA,
  • 00:13:05.375 --> 00:13:11.047
  • GEORGIA, I WENT TO ANANGLO CHURCH AND THEY
  • 00:13:11.114 --> 00:13:16.953
  • TOLD ME THAT I WAS NOTWELCOME THERE, AND IT WAS
  • 00:13:17.020 --> 00:13:21.925
  • WHAT WE'D CALL TODAY AVERY EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN
  • 00:13:21.991 --> 00:13:24.394
  • BAPTIST CHURCH.
  • 00:13:24.460 --> 00:13:27.163
  • THEN WHEN IT WAS COMETIME TO GO TO SEMINARY,
  • 00:13:27.230 --> 00:13:30.600
  • SO I'M NOW IN MY 20'S I'MAPPLYING TO A SEMINARY
  • 00:13:30.667 --> 00:13:35.338
  • THAT JUST HAD RECENTLYDECIDED THAT IT WOULD
  • 00:13:35.405 --> 00:13:38.408
  • ALLOW BLACKS ISIN ON PROBATION.
  • 00:13:38.474 --> 00:13:40.944
  • - ON PROBATION.
  • 00:13:41.010 --> 00:13:43.346
  • - ON PROBATION.
  • 00:13:43.413 --> 00:13:45.582
  • SO OF COURSE A LOT OFPEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT'S
  • 00:13:45.648 --> 00:13:48.484
  • ALL THESE BIBLEINSTITUTES STARTED AS A
  • 00:13:48.551 --> 00:13:50.587
  • WAY OF MAINTAININGSEGREGATION IN THE NAME
  • 00:13:50.653 --> 00:13:52.856
  • OF STILL TRYING TOAUTHENTICATE
  • 00:13:52.922 --> 00:13:54.724
  • THEOLOGICAL INSTRUCTION.
  • 00:13:54.791 --> 00:13:56.426
  • THEN WHEN IT CAME TIMETO DO MINISTRY AND I WAS
  • 00:13:56.492 --> 00:13:59.996
  • TRYING TO GO ON RADIO,I WAS TOLD BY A LEADING
  • 00:14:00.063 --> 00:14:05.134
  • NETWORK WE CANNOTPUT YOU ON THE RADIO.
  • 00:14:05.201 --> 00:14:08.471
  • IT WOULD OFFEND TOO MANYOF MY WHITE LISTENERS.
  • 00:14:08.538 --> 00:14:11.774
  • SO NOW I'M IN MY 30'S ANDIT TOOK A LETTER FROM
  • 00:14:11.841 --> 00:14:14.944
  • JAMES DOBSON WRITINGTHE STATION WHICH OPENED
  • 00:14:15.011 --> 00:14:18.982
  • UP THOSE DOORS.
  • 00:14:19.048 --> 00:14:22.252
  • IN OTHER WORDS I CANTRACE DECADE AFTER DECADE
  • 00:14:22.318 --> 00:14:26.656
  • PERSONAL EXPERIENCES OFTHE FACT THAT I WAS A
  • 00:14:26.723 --> 00:14:31.327
  • BELIEVER, THE FACT THAT I WASA BIBLIO CENTRIC BELIEVER,
  • 00:14:31.394 --> 00:14:35.031
  • CONSERVATIVE THEOLOGY DID NOTOVERRIDE THE RACIAL DIVISION
  • 00:14:35.098 --> 00:14:39.335
  • THAT WAS IN THE CULTURE THATALSO INFILTRATED
  • 00:14:39.402 --> 00:14:43.740
  • THE CHURCH.
  • 00:14:43.806 --> 00:14:45.909
  • EVEN WITHIN THE LAST 20YEARS THERE WAS CHURCHES
  • 00:14:45.975 --> 00:14:49.479
  • TEACHING THE CURSE OFHAMM AS A THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:14:49.545 --> 00:14:52.649
  • TEMPLATE FORUNDERSTANDING BLACK
  • 00:14:52.715 --> 00:14:55.518
  • PEOPLE IN AMERICA.
  • 00:14:55.585 --> 00:14:57.887
  • SO I CAN TRACETHIS REALITY.
  • 00:14:57.954 --> 00:15:02.458
  • SO THERE ARECONVERSATIONS, FOR
  • 00:15:02.525 --> 00:15:05.061
  • EXAMPLE, THAT I HAD WITHMY SONS THAT MY DAUGHTER
  • 00:15:05.128 --> 00:15:08.364
  • PRISCILLA SHIRER HAS WITHMY GRANDSONS THAT I HOPE
  • 00:15:08.431 --> 00:15:12.101
  • HER PARENTS DON'T HAVETO HAVE, AND THAT IS IF
  • 00:15:12.168 --> 00:15:15.605
  • YOU'RE PULLED OVER BY THEPOLICE, YOU SAY THIS THIS
  • 00:15:15.672 --> 00:15:18.007
  • WAY BECAUSE THE MERE FACTOF HOW YOU LOOK AND YOUR
  • 00:15:18.074 --> 00:15:20.543
  • COMPLEXION IS GOINGTO CREATE A POTENTIAL
  • 00:15:20.610 --> 00:15:24.981
  • NEGATIVE SITUATION THATCOULD PUT THINGS ON EDGE.
  • 00:15:25.048 --> 00:15:29.185
  • THAT'S A CONVERSATIONMOST BLACK PARENTS HAVE
  • 00:15:29.252 --> 00:15:32.855
  • WITH THEIR CHILDRENBECAUSE OF THE
  • 00:15:32.922 --> 00:15:34.924
  • ENVIRONMENT INWHICH WE LIVE.
  • 00:15:34.991 --> 00:15:36.826
  • SO WHEN I TRACE THAT ITBECOMES CLEAR, AND WHEN I
  • 00:15:36.893 --> 00:15:39.595
  • LOOK AT AS MARTIN LUTHERKING SAID 11 O'CLOCK ON
  • 00:15:39.662 --> 00:15:42.198
  • SUNDAY MORNING EVENTHOUGH WE'VE HAD
  • 00:15:42.265 --> 00:15:44.000
  • PROGRESS, IT'S STILL THEMOST SEGREGATED HOUR
  • 00:15:44.067 --> 00:15:46.069
  • IN AMERICA.
  • 00:15:46.135 --> 00:15:47.904
  • IT UNDERSCORES THE FACTTHAT THE SYSTEMS AT PLAY
  • 00:15:47.971 --> 00:15:50.873
  • EVEN IF INDIVIDUALS HAVEPROGRESSED HAVE NOT
  • 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:53.609
  • GOTTEN US TO THE POINTWHERE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING
  • 00:15:53.676 --> 00:15:57.113
  • BIBLICAL TRUTH FORTHE TRANSFORMATION OF
  • 00:15:57.180 --> 00:16:00.116
  • CHRISTIANS FOR THETRANSFORMATION OF THEOLOGY.
  • 00:16:00.183 --> 00:16:03.786
  • AND GOD IS NOT GOING TOSKIP THE CHURCH HOUSE TO
  • 00:16:03.853 --> 00:16:07.056
  • FIX THE CULTURE.
  • 00:16:07.123 --> 00:16:08.725
  • - MATT CROUCH:WELL, IT'S 2020.
  • 00:16:08.791 --> 00:16:10.693
  • WE ARE SITTING HEREIN DALLAS, TEXAS.
  • 00:16:10.760 --> 00:16:12.829
  • KIRK FRANKLIN,BRING IT IN.
  • 00:16:12.895 --> 00:16:15.331
  • COME HERE.
  • 00:16:15.398 --> 00:16:17.467
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:17.533 --> 00:16:21.838
  • I LOVE YOU, FRIEND.
  • 00:16:21.904 --> 00:16:23.339
  • AND LET ME TELL YOUSOMETHING ALL THINGS WORK
  • 00:16:23.406 --> 00:16:25.208
  • TOGETHER FOR GOOD, FIRSTOF ALL, I LOVE YOU,
  • 00:16:25.274 --> 00:16:27.176
  • SECOND OF ALL,I THANK YOU.
  • 00:16:27.243 --> 00:16:30.847
  • THANK YOU FOR WHATYOU'RE DOING HERE.
  • 00:16:30.913 --> 00:16:32.815
  • THANK YOU FOR PUTTINGTHIS TOGETHER.
  • 00:16:32.882 --> 00:16:34.250
  • AND I LOVE YOU VERY MUCH.
  • 00:16:34.317 --> 00:16:35.885
  • I DO.
  • 00:16:35.952 --> 00:16:37.320
  • - AND I LOVE YOU, TOO.
  • 00:16:37.387 --> 00:16:39.188
  • - AND LISTEN, WE'VE BEENKNOWING EACH OTHER FOR A
  • 00:16:39.255 --> 00:16:40.957
  • LONG TIME.
  • 00:16:41.024 --> 00:16:42.692
  • I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS,THE FACT THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.763
  • HERE, LOOK, WHATEVERHAPPENED I WANT TO
  • 00:16:46.829 --> 00:16:54.337
  • PERSONALLY APOLOGIZE SOTHAT WE GET PAST THIS AND
  • 00:16:54.404 --> 00:16:59.642
  • THIS PROGRAM AND OTHERSLIKE IT IN THE FUTURE
  • 00:16:59.709 --> 00:17:02.645
  • MAKE PROGRESS.
  • 00:17:02.712 --> 00:17:05.715
  • YOU BEING HERE TO ME,KIRK, IS A MIRACLE.
  • 00:17:05.782 --> 00:17:09.385
  • YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDST OFTHAT DRAMA THAT HAPPENED
  • 00:17:09.452 --> 00:17:13.222
  • I WAS BEING BRIEFEDABOUT A VERY NEGATIVE
  • 00:17:13.289 --> 00:17:18.194
  • SITUATION, AND I HEARDONE LITTLE PHRASE THAT
  • 00:17:18.261 --> 00:17:20.830
  • KIRK SAID TBN DOESN'TCALL ME, PAUL AND JAN
  • 00:17:20.897 --> 00:17:24.600
  • DIDN'T CALL ME, AND I WAS BEINGMADE AWARE OF SOMETHING.
  • 00:17:24.667 --> 00:17:30.206
  • MY HEART LEAPT.
  • 00:17:30.273 --> 00:17:32.108
  • KIRK FRANKLIN WANTSME TO CALL HIM?
  • 00:17:32.175 --> 00:17:34.477
  • 16 GRAMMIES LATER HEWANTS TO COME AND BE ON TBN.
  • 00:17:34.544 --> 00:17:38.247
  • - SOME WERE NOT MINE. SOME WERELEFT IN THE MEN'S BATHROOM.
  • 00:17:38.314 --> 00:17:42.752
  • [LAUGHTER]- YEAH, SURE.
  • 00:17:42.819 --> 00:17:45.354
  • LOOK, I'VE BEENKNOWING YOU BEFORE YOU
  • 00:17:45.421 --> 00:17:47.824
  • HAD 16 GRAMMIES.
  • 00:17:47.890 --> 00:17:50.493
  • IT WAS A LONG TIME NOW,AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE
  • 00:17:50.560 --> 00:17:54.063
  • HERE I THINK A POSITIONOF LEADERSHIP THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:17:54.130 --> 00:17:58.668
  • DOING SOMETHING THAT ITHINK IS SOUP IMPORTANT.
  • 00:17:58.734 --> 00:18:05.975
  • PASTOR TONY BEING HEREAND HELPING ROBERT AND I
  • 00:18:06.042 --> 00:18:09.345
  • HOLD THIS CONVERSATIONFOR NOT JUST THE 4 OF US
  • 00:18:09.412 --> 00:18:15.618
  • BUT FOR A LOT OF VIEWERSAROUND THE WORLD, SO
  • 00:18:15.685 --> 00:18:19.655
  • THERE MAY BE A TIME INTHE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE
  • 00:18:19.722 --> 00:18:23.826
  • TALKING IN GERMAN ORSPANISH OR SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:18:23.893 --> 00:18:28.297
  • THIS REVERBERATES, ANDYOU COULD HAVE HAD AN
  • 00:18:28.364 --> 00:18:33.469
  • ATTITUDE THAT THE SYSTEMIS BROKE, BUT YOU'RE
  • 00:18:33.536 --> 00:18:38.808
  • SITTING HERE TONIGHT,BOTH OF YOU ARE SITTING
  • 00:18:38.875 --> 00:18:41.744
  • HERE TONIGHT, AND I WANTTO PROFOUNDLY THANK YOU
  • 00:18:41.811 --> 00:18:44.547
  • FOR HELPING US UNDERSTANDAN ISSUE THAT MAYBE SOME
  • 00:18:44.614 --> 00:18:48.417
  • PEOPLE DON'T INCLUDINGUS, INCLUDING ROBERT AND I.
  • 00:18:48.484 --> 00:18:52.722
  • - LET ME PLEASE RESPOND.
  • 00:18:52.788 --> 00:18:55.191
  • AS MUCH AS I KNOW THATTHE MOTIVE AND THE TENOR
  • 00:18:55.258 --> 00:19:00.329
  • OF YOUR HEART IS VERYPURE EVEN WITH US HAVING
  • 00:19:00.396 --> 00:19:02.865
  • THIS EMBRACE AS BROTHERSBECAUSE WE'VE HAD A
  • 00:19:02.932 --> 00:19:06.469
  • CHANCE TO TALKOFF CAMERA.
  • 00:19:06.536 --> 00:19:09.105
  • AS I DO KNOW FOR A LOT OFBLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE
  • 00:19:09.172 --> 00:19:11.707
  • EVEN THE OPTICS OF WHATJUST HAPPENED CAN BE VERY
  • 00:19:11.774 --> 00:19:14.477
  • PROBLEMATIC BECAUSETHROUGHOUT HISTORY A LOT
  • 00:19:14.544 --> 00:19:16.846
  • OF TIMES PEOPLE HAVESOMETIMES COME ACROSS
  • 00:19:16.913 --> 00:19:19.849
  • THAT THE ISSUES ARE FIXEDWITH THE KUMBAYA MOMENT,
  • 00:19:19.916 --> 00:19:26.789
  • AND THAT MOMENT IS REALLYFOR THIS GENERATION IS
  • 00:19:26.856 --> 00:19:30.826
  • ANTIQUATED AND IT'SARCHAIC, AND IT HASN'T
  • 00:19:30.893 --> 00:19:35.131
  • GOTTEN US CLOSERTO RESOLVE.
  • 00:19:35.198 --> 00:19:38.434
  • SO I AT LEAST WANT TOADDRESS AND TO RESPECT
  • 00:19:38.501 --> 00:19:41.437
  • THOSE THAT ARE WATCHINGAND FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:19:41.504 --> 00:19:44.674
  • MY OPENNESS ANDWILLINGNESS TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:19:44.740 --> 00:19:48.344
  • THE EMBRACE WAS PURE ISONLY BECAUSE OF THE OFF
  • 00:19:48.411 --> 00:19:51.714
  • THE CAMERA WORK BECAUSEYOU'D BE SO -- I MEAN,
  • 00:19:51.781 --> 00:19:54.483
  • YOU'D BE SHOCKED BY HOWMANY BLACK AND BROWN
  • 00:19:54.550 --> 00:19:57.420
  • PEOPLE, WOMEN THAT AREIN THIS CYCLE WHERE THE
  • 00:19:57.486 --> 00:20:05.394
  • CHURCH NOT LEADING THENARRATIVE HAS OPENED UP
  • 00:20:05.461 --> 00:20:09.232
  • THE FLOOD GATES FOR SOMANY ARGUMENTS AND ISSUES
  • 00:20:09.298 --> 00:20:13.236
  • AND DILEMMAS THAT THEBODY OF CHRIST SHOULD BE
  • 00:20:13.302 --> 00:20:19.742
  • LEADING THE CHARGE.
  • 00:20:19.809 --> 00:20:21.811
  • IT IS VERY DIFFICULT WHENTHE CULTURE HAS KNOWN THE
  • 00:20:21.877 --> 00:20:27.817
  • HISTORY OF ITS ROLE FROMTHE SOUTHERN BAPTIST
  • 00:20:27.883 --> 00:20:31.887
  • CONVENTION AND FROM THEMLEAVING THE NORTHERN
  • 00:20:31.954 --> 00:20:34.724
  • BAPTIST BECAUSE THESOUTHERN BAPTIST WANTED
  • 00:20:34.790 --> 00:20:36.459
  • TO KEEP THEIR SLAVES.
  • 00:20:36.525 --> 00:20:38.060
  • - WOW.
  • 00:20:38.127 --> 00:20:39.962
  • - WHEN YOU KNOW THAT ALOT OF THE FOREFATHERS OF
  • 00:20:40.029 --> 00:20:42.965
  • OUR INSTITUTIONS THATHAVE TAUGHT AMERICA
  • 00:20:43.032 --> 00:20:47.336
  • DURING RECONSTRUCTIONTHEOLOGY, THEY WERE SLAVE
  • 00:20:47.403 --> 00:20:51.307
  • OWNERS, SO WE CONTINUE TONOT ACT LIKE THESE THINGS
  • 00:20:51.374 --> 00:20:56.045
  • HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED ORHAVE AN ECHO IN THE
  • 00:20:56.112 --> 00:21:00.283
  • VOICES OF OUR CHRISTIANEVANGELICAL LEADERS TO
  • 00:21:00.349 --> 00:21:02.952
  • THIS VERY DAY.
  • 00:21:03.019 --> 00:21:04.320
  • A LOT OF THE EVANGELICALLEADERS OF OUR TIME HAVE
  • 00:21:04.387 --> 00:21:06.922
  • BEEN MY THEOLOGICALHEROES, BUT WHEN BLACK
  • 00:21:06.989 --> 00:21:09.625
  • AND BROWN PEOPLE WEREBEING SHOT ON TV OVER THE
  • 00:21:09.692 --> 00:21:12.194
  • LAST FIVE YEARS AND THEYWERE SHOT IN THE BACK,
  • 00:21:12.261 --> 00:21:14.830
  • THERE WAS A SILENCE FROMTHE WHITE PULPITS, AND
  • 00:21:14.897 --> 00:21:17.633
  • THAT SILENCE WASDEAFENING AND NOBODY WAS
  • 00:21:17.700 --> 00:21:20.269
  • HUGGING AND DOING THEKUMBAYA MOMENTS, AND
  • 00:21:20.336 --> 00:21:22.738
  • THERE WERE BLACK MENBEING SHOT ON TELEVISION
  • 00:21:22.805 --> 00:21:25.408
  • AND THE WHITE CHURCHWAS SILENT, AND THEN
  • 00:21:25.474 --> 00:21:28.477
  • SPECIALLY, ESPECIALLYWHEN WE HAVE THIS EXODUS
  • 00:21:28.544 --> 00:21:31.847
  • OF BLACK PEOPLE GOINGTO WHITE BIBLE TEACHING
  • 00:21:31.914 --> 00:21:34.717
  • CHURCHES ALL OVERAMERICA, WHAT SOME
  • 00:21:34.784 --> 00:21:37.253
  • THEOLOGIANS CALL THEGOSPEL GENTRIFICATION,
  • 00:21:37.320 --> 00:21:40.156
  • NOW YOU HAVE BLACK PEOPLETHAT ARE LISTENING TO
  • 00:21:40.222 --> 00:21:42.058
  • WHITE PREACHERS, ANDTHERE IS SOCIAL INJUSTICE
  • 00:21:42.124 --> 00:21:45.828
  • HAPPENING IN THE STREETS,BUT THERE IS SILENCE FROM
  • 00:21:45.895 --> 00:21:49.398
  • THE WHITE PULPIT.
  • 00:21:49.465 --> 00:21:51.400
  • THAT IS PROBLEMATICBECAUSE IT IS THE JOB OF
  • 00:21:51.467 --> 00:21:54.470
  • THE SHEPHERD TO SPEAK TOTHE ILL S OF EVERYONE IN
  • 00:21:54.537 --> 00:21:57.373
  • THOSE PEWS, THAT ITCAN'T JUST BE ABOUT
  • 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.309
  • ABORTION ORSAME SEX ISSUES.
  • 00:22:00.376 --> 00:22:02.978
  • IT'S GOT TO BE ABOUTTHE INTOLERANCE.
  • 00:22:03.045 --> 00:22:06.849
  • IT HAS TO BE ABOUT THESOCIAL INJUSTICE THAT IS
  • 00:22:06.916 --> 00:22:09.952
  • HAPPENING TO PEOPLE THATARE CONTRIBUTORS TO THESE
  • 00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:13.089
  • CHURCHES, AND IT HURTSTHEM WHEN IT'S SILENT.
  • 00:22:13.155 --> 00:22:17.226
  • AND WHEN MY THEOLOGICALLEADERS OVER THE LAST
  • 00:22:17.293 --> 00:22:19.962
  • FIVE YEARS HAVE BEENSILENT IN THE MIDST OF
  • 00:22:20.029 --> 00:22:22.198
  • ALL THE OPTICS WE'VE SEENON TELEVISION THAT OF
  • 00:22:22.264 --> 00:22:24.400
  • BEEN VERY PAINFUL, IT ISDEAFENING, IT IS CRUEL,
  • 00:22:24.467 --> 00:22:28.871
  • AND IT IS NOTCHRIST LIKE.
  • 00:22:28.938 --> 00:22:32.308
  • - YOU KNOW, PSALM 89: 14SAYS FROM GOD'S THRONE
  • 00:22:32.375 --> 00:22:39.982
  • COMES RIGHTEOUSNESSAND JUSTICE.
  • 00:22:40.049 --> 00:22:42.618
  • AND THOSE ARE THE TWINTOWERS OF HOW GOD WANTS
  • 00:22:42.685 --> 00:22:46.021
  • SOCIETY TO OPERATE.
  • 00:22:46.088 --> 00:22:48.958
  • IT'S NEVER JUSTICEOR RIGHTEOUS.
  • 00:22:49.024 --> 00:22:52.561
  • WHILE THERE'S BEEN ANEMPHASIS ON SOME OF THE
  • 00:22:52.628 --> 00:22:57.833
  • MORAL ISSUES THAT WEREJUST SITED, THE ABSENCE
  • 00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:01.337
  • OF EQUITY UNDER GOD'SRULE HAS BEEN ABSENT
  • 00:23:01.437 --> 00:23:05.808
  • AND SILENCED.
  • 00:23:05.875 --> 00:23:08.577
  • EVEN IF OUR POLITICALDISCOURSE, PEOPLE WILL
  • 00:23:08.644 --> 00:23:11.247
  • AFFIRM THINGS THAT THEYAGREE WITH MORALLY WHILE
  • 00:23:11.313 --> 00:23:16.318
  • NOT SPEAK ON THINGS THATDEAL WITH HOW THE DIGNITY
  • 00:23:16.385 --> 00:23:22.258
  • OF PEOPLE, WHEN PEOPLEHEAR ABOUT -- WILL ARGUE
  • 00:23:22.324 --> 00:23:27.897
  • THE LIFE OF THE UNBORNMATTERS BUT WHEN THEY
  • 00:23:27.963 --> 00:23:32.501
  • HEAR ABOUT OTHER GROUPSCALLING FOR OTHER LIVES
  • 00:23:32.568 --> 00:23:36.305
  • MATTERING, THERE IS ANEGATIVE RESPONSE.
  • 00:23:36.372 --> 00:23:40.376
  • AND WHILE IT MAY BELEGITIMATE TO HAVE A
  • 00:23:40.443 --> 00:23:42.945
  • NEGATIVE RESPONSE ABOUTMETHODOLOGY, THERE
  • 00:23:43.012 --> 00:23:45.881
  • SHOULD NOT BE A NEGATIVERESPONSE ABOUT MATTERING.
  • 00:23:45.948 --> 00:23:48.918
  • - GOT IT.
  • 00:23:48.984 --> 00:23:50.686
  • - AND WHEN WE CAN SAYYES, I MAY DISAGREE WITH
  • 00:23:50.753 --> 00:23:53.255
  • THIS BUT THISDOES MATTER.
  • 00:23:53.322 --> 00:23:55.391
  • BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKABOUT THE UNBORN, WHEN WE
  • 00:23:55.458 --> 00:23:57.593
  • SAY THE LIVES OF THEUNBORN MATTER WE'RE NOT
  • 00:23:57.660 --> 00:23:59.895
  • DISCOUNTINGEVERY OTHER LIFE.
  • 00:23:59.962 --> 00:24:01.697
  • WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ONJUSTICE IN THE WOMB WHEN
  • 00:24:01.764 --> 00:24:04.066
  • GOD IS FOCUSING ONJUSTICE TO THE TOMB.
  • 00:24:04.133 --> 00:24:06.602
  • - WOW.
  • 00:24:06.669 --> 00:24:08.370
  • - WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLELIFE AGENDA AND NOT JUST
  • 00:24:08.437 --> 00:24:10.739
  • A NINE MONTH LIFE AGENDA,THEN YOU HAVE A BIBLICAL
  • 00:24:10.806 --> 00:24:12.641
  • AGENDA WHICH BRINGS USTOGETHER AROUND ALL OF
  • 00:24:12.708 --> 00:24:15.344
  • LIFE AND NOTPARTIAL LIFE.
  • 00:24:15.411 --> 00:24:17.847
  • - YOU'RE A LOTSMARTER THAN I AM.
  • 00:24:17.913 --> 00:24:20.816
  • THAT WAS REALLYREALLY REALLY GOOD.
  • 00:24:20.883 --> 00:24:22.685
  • PASTOR ROBERT.
  • 00:24:22.751 --> 00:24:24.954
  • - WELL, I GOT CONVICTEDA FEW YEARS AGO OF
  • 00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:28.858
  • EXACTLY WHAT KIRK WASTALKING ABOUT WAS I WAS
  • 00:24:28.924 --> 00:24:33.295
  • SILENT ON THE ISSUE,AND I BELIEVED IT BUT
  • 00:24:33.362 --> 00:24:35.297
  • I WAS SILENT.
  • 00:24:35.364 --> 00:24:37.099
  • AND MY DAUGHTER WAS ACHEER LEADER IN HIGH
  • 00:24:37.166 --> 00:24:42.271
  • SCHOOL AND OUTGOING, ANDSHE WAS DATING THESE
  • 00:24:42.338 --> 00:24:45.474
  • JERKS, SILENT, PEOPLESHOULD COULD DOMINATE,
  • 00:24:45.541 --> 00:24:54.817
  • AND SHE HADN'T HAD THATREALLY TRUE GIVING HER
  • 00:24:54.884 --> 00:24:57.786
  • WILL TO CHRIST YET.
  • 00:24:57.853 --> 00:24:59.522
  • THAT HAPPENEDAT 19 FOR HER.
  • 00:24:59.588 --> 00:25:01.657
  • EVEN THOUGH SHE WALKEDTHE AISLE WHEN SHE WAS
  • 00:25:01.724 --> 00:25:03.158
  • YOUNG, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:25:03.259 --> 00:25:05.160
  • SO AT ONE OF OUR EVENTSSHE INTRODUCED ME TO THIS
  • 00:25:05.227 --> 00:25:08.531
  • MAN WHOSEAFRICAN-AMERICAN.
  • 00:25:08.597 --> 00:25:11.634
  • AND THE FIRST THING ITHOUGHT WHEN I SHOOK HIS
  • 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:16.005
  • HAND WAS NOW, WHY CAN'TBY DAUGHTER BE INTERESTED
  • 00:25:16.071 --> 00:25:18.040
  • IN A GUY LIKE THIS?
  • 00:25:18.107 --> 00:25:19.842
  • AND I FOUND OUT LATERTHAT'S WHY SHE WAS
  • 00:25:19.909 --> 00:25:22.444
  • INTRODUCING ME TO ETHANWHO IS NOW HER HUSBAND OF
  • 00:25:22.511 --> 00:25:25.781
  • TEN YEARS AND 4 BEAUTIFULCHILDREN BECAUSE GOD
  • 00:25:25.848 --> 00:25:29.218
  • DEALT WITH ME EARLYON IN MY HEART.
  • 00:25:29.285 --> 00:25:32.154
  • WE ALL GROW UP WITH SOMEPREJUDICES, COULD BE
  • 00:25:32.221 --> 00:25:34.657
  • GENDER, RACIAL, ECONOMIC,PREJUDICE COMES FROM TWO
  • 00:25:34.723 --> 00:25:38.527
  • WORDS, PRE, JUDICE.
  • 00:25:38.594 --> 00:25:41.263
  • AND JUDICE IS A JUDGMENT,AND PRE MEANS BEFORE.
  • 00:25:41.330 --> 00:25:46.402
  • SO IT'S MAKING A JUDGMENTBEFORE YOU HAVE THE FACTS.
  • 00:25:46.468 --> 00:25:49.305
  • THE FIRST TIME I WASMADE AWARE OF IT, I WAS
  • 00:25:49.371 --> 00:25:52.741
  • STANDING IN MY YARD, ANDA MERCEDES WAS COMING BY,
  • 00:25:52.808 --> 00:25:55.344
  • I THOUGHT THAT'S AGOOD LOOKING CAR.
  • 00:25:55.411 --> 00:25:57.980
  • AND A BLACK MANWAS DRIVING IT.
  • 00:25:58.047 --> 00:25:59.748
  • AND THE THOUGHT POPPED INMY MIND, AND I'M ASHAMED
  • 00:25:59.815 --> 00:26:02.351
  • OF THE THOUGHT BUT I'DONLY BEEN SAVED ABOUT A
  • 00:26:02.418 --> 00:26:05.187
  • YEAR, AND I THOUGHT HOWDID HE GET THAT CAR?
  • 00:26:05.254 --> 00:26:07.523
  • AND THEN I WAS JUST --- YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE
  • 00:26:07.590 --> 00:26:10.659
  • THAT THINKS THAT.
  • 00:26:10.726 --> 00:26:12.962
  • - BUT STILL WHAT I LOVEIS THAT I WAS ASHAMED OF IT.
  • 00:26:13.028 --> 00:26:15.464
  • I THOUGHT, WHAT?
  • 00:26:15.531 --> 00:26:17.166
  • WHY WOULD I THINK THAT?
  • 00:26:17.232 --> 00:26:19.635
  • SO THE LORD TOLD ME IFYOU'LL LET ME DEAL WITH
  • 00:26:19.702 --> 00:26:21.804
  • YOU I'LL TELL YOUWHY, I'LL HELP YOU.
  • 00:26:21.870 --> 00:26:23.672
  • SO HE STARTEDDEALING WITH ME.
  • 00:26:23.739 --> 00:26:25.174
  • SO GOD DEALT WITH ME ANDI FELT LIKE OKAY, GOD'S
  • 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.777
  • DEALING WITH ME.
  • 00:26:28.844 --> 00:26:31.046
  • I'M LEARNING.
  • 00:26:31.113 --> 00:26:32.681
  • I MAY NOT BE EVER WHERE INEED TO BE, BUT I GUESS
  • 00:26:32.748 --> 00:26:35.451
  • ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGOI THOUGHT BUT I'M NOT
  • 00:26:35.517 --> 00:26:37.686
  • TEACHING OUR PEOPLE THIS.
  • 00:26:37.753 --> 00:26:39.355
  • I'M NOT ADDRESSING THIS.
  • 00:26:39.421 --> 00:26:41.523
  • I'M LIVING IT, BUTI'M NOT TEACHING IT.
  • 00:26:41.590 --> 00:26:43.392
  • SO I STARTED TEACHINGABOUT HAMM AND THE
  • 00:26:43.459 --> 00:26:46.895
  • CHILDREN OF NOAH ANDTEACHING THAT PROBABLY
  • 00:26:46.962 --> 00:26:49.865
  • ADAM AND EVE WERE BROWNBECAUSE YOU CAN GET BLACK
  • 00:26:49.932 --> 00:26:53.035
  • FROM BROWN AND YOU CANGET WHITE FROM BROWN BUT
  • 00:26:53.102 --> 00:26:56.305
  • YOU CAN'T GET WHITE FROMBLOCK AND BLACK FROM WHITE.
  • 00:26:56.372 --> 00:26:58.607
  • AND THE MAJORITY OF THEPEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE
  • 00:26:58.674 --> 00:27:00.743
  • NOT WHITE.
  • 00:27:00.809 --> 00:27:02.177
  • THEY'RE BROWN.
  • 00:27:02.244 --> 00:27:03.412
  • IT'S THE MAJORITY.
  • 00:27:03.479 --> 00:27:05.114
  • AND I STARTED TEACHINGOUR PEOPLE ABOUT A LACK
  • 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:07.816
  • OF UNDERSTANDING, AND YOUDON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:27:07.883 --> 00:27:10.419
  • PREJUDICE BUT YOUPROBABLY ARE.
  • 00:27:10.486 --> 00:27:13.222
  • SO AS I STARTED TEACHINGON IT AND THEN HAVING
  • 00:27:13.288 --> 00:27:15.858
  • MORE AFRICAN-AMERICAN,MORE HISPANIC, MORE
  • 00:27:15.924 --> 00:27:19.828
  • LATINO PASTORS IN OURPULPIT WE'VE WATCHED OUR
  • 00:27:19.895 --> 00:27:23.365
  • CHURCH UNDERSTAND THAT WEHAVE PREJUDICES THAT WE
  • 00:27:23.432 --> 00:27:26.635
  • DIDN'T KNOW, BUT KIRK ANDTONY HAVE BOTH SAID IT RIGHT.
  • 00:27:26.702 --> 00:27:31.306
  • THE WHITE PASTORS NEED TO BEADDRESSING THIS, NOT THE--
  • 00:27:31.373 --> 00:27:36.078
  • BLACK AND BROWN, YES, BUTTHE WHITE PASTORS NEED TO
  • 00:27:36.145 --> 00:27:39.348
  • ADDRESS THIS, VERY MUCH SO.
  • 00:27:39.415 --> 00:27:41.150
  • - SO I FEEL LIKE IHAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
  • 00:27:41.216 --> 00:27:45.187
  • SO KIRK, AFTER THE DOVEAWARD EVENT, WE GOT
  • 00:27:45.254 --> 00:27:50.726
  • TOGETHER PRIVATELY,JUST YOU AND I.
  • 00:27:50.793 --> 00:27:52.661
  • - YES.
  • 00:27:52.728 --> 00:27:53.962
  • - DID WE HUG THEN?
  • 00:27:54.029 --> 00:27:55.698
  • - YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGGER,SO I MAY HAVE HUGGED YOU.
  • 00:27:55.764 --> 00:27:58.767
  • I'M QUICK TO HUG.
  • 00:27:58.834 --> 00:28:01.270
  • - I'M JUST TELLINGYOU, WE DID
  • 00:28:01.336 --> 00:28:02.971
  • AND DID WE TAKE ASELFIE TOGETHER.
  • 00:28:03.038 --> 00:28:05.140
  • - YES, WE DID.
  • 00:28:05.207 --> 00:28:06.842
  • - REMEMBER THAT? OKAY. SO--
  • 00:28:06.909 --> 00:28:08.677
  • - OFF CAMERA.
  • 00:28:08.744 --> 00:28:09.978
  • - THAT WAS OFF CAMERA BYOURSELVES WHEN WE DECIDED
  • 00:28:10.045 --> 00:28:14.116
  • THAT WE WERE GOING TO SITTOGETHER AND INSTEAD OF
  • 00:28:14.183 --> 00:28:17.786
  • TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THATGOT EDITED FOR A MINUTE
  • 00:28:17.853 --> 00:28:21.623
  • IN A DOVE AWARD SHOW,WE WERE GONNA TAKE AND
  • 00:28:21.690 --> 00:28:24.960
  • EXPRESS AND GIVE THISA PROPER DISCUSSION.
  • 00:28:25.027 --> 00:28:30.065
  • SO, KIRK, WE AREDISCUSSING SOMETHING.
  • 00:28:30.132 --> 00:28:35.738
  • EXPLAIN MORE TO ME HOWTHIS BROADCAST IS MAKING
  • 00:28:35.804 --> 00:28:40.809
  • A DIFFERENCE. HELPME UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:28:40.876 --> 00:28:43.412
  • - WELL, IF I CAN BECANDID AND SAY TO YOU
  • 00:28:43.479 --> 00:28:48.117
  • THAT I APPLAUD YOU FORTHIS PLATFORM, AND I
  • 00:28:48.183 --> 00:28:54.189
  • APPLAUD YOU FORBEING ONE OF THE FEW.
  • 00:28:54.256 --> 00:28:57.259
  • YOU ALONG WITHPASTOR MORRIS.
  • 00:28:57.326 --> 00:28:58.894
  • I WISH THAT WE COULD COPYHIM AND PUT HIM IN A COPY
  • 00:28:58.961 --> 00:29:03.398
  • MACHINE AND SPREAD HIMOUT BECAUSE THERE IS
  • 00:29:03.465 --> 00:29:07.803
  • ONE THING TO HAVEHURT IN YOUR HEART,
  • 00:29:07.870 --> 00:29:11.340
  • BUT IT'S ANOTHERTHING TO BE AN ALLY.
  • 00:29:11.406 --> 00:29:13.509
  • AND I THINK THAT THIS ISA TIME IN HISTORY WHERE
  • 00:29:13.575 --> 00:29:17.780
  • WE NEED PEOPLE OFINFLUENCE, MAINLY WHITE
  • 00:29:17.846 --> 00:29:21.416
  • PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIPPOSITIONS TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:29:21.483 --> 00:29:24.753
  • BE A VOICE, TO BE AN ALLYOF THESE HARSH REALITIES.
  • 00:29:24.820 --> 00:29:29.625
  • SO WHAT I HOPE THAT THISSHOW DOES IS THAT THERE
  • 00:29:29.691 --> 00:29:32.661
  • IS A BEAUTIFUL CONVICTIONTHAT CAN BE A SEED OF
  • 00:29:32.728 --> 00:29:37.332
  • TRANSFORMATION IN THEHEARTS OF WHITE MEN AND
  • 00:29:37.399 --> 00:29:41.303
  • WOMEN THAT WE ARENOT TRYING TO HAVE A
  • 00:29:41.370 --> 00:29:44.807
  • CONVERSATION OF BLAME BUTTO HAVE A CONVERSATION OF
  • 00:29:44.873 --> 00:29:48.110
  • HISTORY, TO BE ABLE TOLOVINGLY AND HUMBLY PAINT
  • 00:29:48.177 --> 00:29:51.880
  • A PICTURE OF WHAT THECORE INNER WORKINGS ARE
  • 00:29:51.947 --> 00:29:56.418
  • THAT CONTINUE TO MAKETHESE THINGS SHOW UP, AND
  • 00:29:56.485 --> 00:29:59.421
  • IT'S BASED ON THE HEARTOF MEN TO RESPOND TO
  • 00:29:59.488 --> 00:30:03.158
  • WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM.
  • 00:30:03.225 --> 00:30:04.726
  • ONE THING THAT WE CAN'TDO IS THAT NO MATTER HOW
  • 00:30:04.793 --> 00:30:06.862
  • GOOD MAMA'S COOKING IS, SHECAN'T CREATE A NEW HUNGER.
  • 00:30:06.929 --> 00:30:10.933
  • YOU'VE GOT TO COME TOTHE TABLE WITH THAT.
  • 00:30:10.999 --> 00:30:13.035
  • YOU'VE GOT TO COME TOTHE TABLE WITH YOUR OWN
  • 00:30:13.101 --> 00:30:15.470
  • SPIRIT OF WILLINGNESS TOHUMBLE YOURSELF AND SAY
  • 00:30:15.537 --> 00:30:18.607
  • THAT I'M HUNGRY TO LEARN,I'M HUNGRY TO CHANGE,
  • 00:30:18.674 --> 00:30:21.310
  • AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS,UNFORTUNATELY, IT WILL
  • 00:30:21.376 --> 00:30:24.179
  • JUST BE ANOTHER SHOW,ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL SHOW
  • 00:30:24.246 --> 00:30:26.949
  • AMONGST THE MANY THAT HAVEHAD THESE OPPORTUNITIES.
  • 00:30:27.015 --> 00:30:32.688
  • I MEAN THEY WERE NOT TVSHOWS BUT ABOLITIONISTS
  • 00:30:32.754 --> 00:30:34.556
  • AT DIFFERENT PERIODSOF TIME WANTED TO
  • 00:30:34.623 --> 00:30:37.192
  • TRY TO HAVE A CHANGE.
  • 00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:38.694
  • SOME OF MY GREAT HEROESIN THE FAITH, I MEAN EVEN
  • 00:30:38.760 --> 00:30:41.630
  • THOUGH BILLY GRAHAM HADSOME OF HIS ERRORS, THERE
  • 00:30:41.697 --> 00:30:44.700
  • WAS A TIME THAT HE TOLDDR. KING HE WAS BEING TOO
  • 00:30:44.766 --> 00:30:47.102
  • LOUD. THAT WAS A MISTAKE,THAT WAS AN ERROR.
  • 00:30:47.169 --> 00:30:49.538
  • HE WENT BACK ANDAPOLOGIZED TO DR. KING
  • 00:30:49.605 --> 00:30:51.640
  • AND HE BEGAN TOINTEGRATE HIS CRUSADES.
  • 00:30:51.707 --> 00:30:54.776
  • SO THAT'S AN ALLY, RIGHT?
  • 00:30:54.843 --> 00:30:57.613
  • SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TOSEE WHERE THE MISTAKES
  • 00:30:57.679 --> 00:31:01.516
  • ARE AND TO BE WILLING TOACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND TO
  • 00:31:01.583 --> 00:31:05.120
  • BE AGENTS OF CHANGEBECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:31:05.187 --> 00:31:08.824
  • WILLING TO GET YOUR FEETAND HANDS DIRTY ON THIS
  • 00:31:08.891 --> 00:31:12.294
  • ISSUE, ESPECIALLY THISISSUE, IT WON'T BE
  • 00:31:12.361 --> 00:31:14.897
  • ANYTHING BUT KUMBAYA.
  • 00:31:14.963 --> 00:31:17.065
  • - SO PASTOR TONY, THEIDEA THAT I CAN REMEMBER
  • 00:31:17.132 --> 00:31:22.170
  • BACK IN THE DAY MY MOMAND DADDY SITTING WITH
  • 00:31:22.237 --> 00:31:26.008
  • DR. E.V. HILL OR SOMEBODYAND SOMETIMES YOU WOULD BE
  • 00:31:26.074 --> 00:31:30.779
  • TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECTAND THEN MY DAD,
  • 00:31:30.846 --> 00:31:33.148
  • I REMEMBER MY DAD SOCLEARLY SO OFTEN STOPPING
  • 00:31:33.215 --> 00:31:36.184
  • THE SHOW A LITTLE BIT ANDGOING OKAY, WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:31:36.251 --> 00:31:38.820
  • ABOUT JESUS, OR WE'RETALKING ABOUT THIS
  • 00:31:38.887 --> 00:31:42.457
  • SUBJECT OR WE'RE TALKINGABOUT THAT SUBJECT.
  • 00:31:42.524 --> 00:31:44.192
  • LET'S DO THAT SUBJECT.
  • 00:31:44.259 --> 00:31:46.528
  • LET'S REALLYACCOMPLISH SOMETHING.
  • 00:31:46.595 --> 00:31:49.164
  • SO DR. TONY, MAKE THISSHOW IMPORTANT AND HEALING
  • 00:31:49.231 --> 00:31:56.738
  • AND BEAUTIFUL AND EVERYTHINGTHAT WE HOPE IT TO BE BY
  • 00:31:56.805 --> 00:32:00.742
  • WHAT YOU'RE GOING TODECLARE TO ALL OF US.
  • 00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:04.680
  • - WELL FIRST OF ALL,A MIST IN THE PULPIT
  • 00:32:04.746 --> 00:32:06.548
  • IS A FOG IN THE PEW.
  • 00:32:06.615 --> 00:32:08.884
  • SO IF THERE IS NOTCLARITY IN THE
  • 00:32:08.951 --> 00:32:11.320
  • PROCLAMATION OF GOD'SWORD, THEN THE PEOPLE
  • 00:32:11.386 --> 00:32:14.523
  • DON'T KNOW HOW TOFUNCTION OR WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:32:14.589 --> 00:32:19.394
  • IF THE PULPITS WEREDIFFERENT, THE CHURCHES
  • 00:32:19.461 --> 00:32:23.732
  • WOULD HAVE BEENDIFFERENT, AND THE
  • 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.335
  • CULTURE WOULD HAVEHAD TO REACT TO THAT.
  • 00:32:26.401 --> 00:32:29.771
  • WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THECULTURE SUFFICIENT TO REACT
  • 00:32:29.838 --> 00:32:32.274
  • TO. IF I PICK UP ON HISANALOGY OF COOKING,
  • 00:32:32.341 --> 00:32:35.711
  • WHEN YOU HAVE A GOODCOOK IN THE KITCHEN,
  • 00:32:35.777 --> 00:32:38.313
  • EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T STARTOFF BEING HUNGRY,
  • 00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:41.850
  • THE SMELL MIGHT INCITE IT.
  • 00:32:41.917 --> 00:32:45.087
  • WE NEED BETTER COOKS INTHE PULPIT WHO KNOW HOW
  • 00:32:45.153 --> 00:32:48.657
  • TO PUT THIS MIX-- SEE, WHENYOU HAVE UNADDRESSED
  • 00:32:48.724 --> 00:32:53.395
  • PREJUDICE MARRIED TOPOWER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:32:53.462 --> 00:32:57.699
  • AN UNINTENDED PREGNANCYTHAT WILL GIVE BIRTH TO
  • 00:32:57.766 --> 00:33:01.803
  • AN EVIL BABYCALLED RACISM.
  • 00:33:01.870 --> 00:33:04.339
  • IF WE CAN GATHER TOGETHERPASTORS WHO WILL HAVE THE
  • 00:33:04.406 --> 00:33:09.578
  • GUTS TO DECLARE WHAT GODHAS CLEARLY STATED ABOUT
  • 00:33:09.644 --> 00:33:14.416
  • DISUNITY, ABOUT RACISM,ABOUT ILLEGITIMATE
  • 00:33:14.483 --> 00:33:17.619
  • PREJUDICE BECAUSE WEOUGHT TO BE PREJUDICIAL
  • 00:33:17.686 --> 00:33:20.188
  • BETWEEN TRUTH AND ERROR,IF WE WOULD GET THE
  • 00:33:20.255 --> 00:33:24.026
  • PULPITS TO START COOKINGRIGHT, WE WILL CREATE
  • 00:33:24.092 --> 00:33:26.428
  • HARMONY IN THE PEW, AND ITHINK ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL
  • 00:33:26.495 --> 00:33:29.131
  • START TO EAT AND THEN SEETRANSFORMATION IN THE
  • 00:33:29.197 --> 00:33:32.501
  • PUBLIC FROM THE PEW.
  • 00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:33.702
  • - MY GOD.
  • 00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:35.003
  • - I WOULD LIKE TO SAYTONY AND I ARE NOW
  • 00:33:35.070 --> 00:33:38.440
  • CONSIDERED FATHERSIN THE COMMUNITY,
  • 00:33:38.507 --> 00:33:42.044
  • AND YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE.
  • 00:33:42.110 --> 00:33:43.745
  • - NO, NO. NO, NO.
  • 00:33:43.812 --> 00:33:46.581
  • - SO WE HAVE A LOT OFOPPORTUNITIES, WE DO
  • 00:33:46.648 --> 00:33:49.951
  • PASTORS CONFERENCES ANDMENTORING GROUPS WITH
  • 00:33:50.018 --> 00:33:53.321
  • YOUNGER PASTORS AND ALL,AND I REMEMBER JUST A FEW
  • 00:33:53.388 --> 00:33:56.024
  • YEARS AGO THINKING WHAT DO INEED TO TEACH THESE GUYS?
  • 00:33:56.091 --> 00:33:58.827
  • AND MORALITY AND FOR MEGIVING AND GENEROSITY AND
  • 00:33:58.894 --> 00:34:03.265
  • LEADERSHIP AND DELEGATIONOF LEADERSHIP, ALL THESE
  • 00:34:03.331 --> 00:34:06.101
  • QUALITIES, BUT I REMEMBERGOD SPECIFICALLY SAID RACE.
  • 00:34:06.168 --> 00:34:09.838
  • YOU NEED TO TEACH THESEGUYS THAT THEY MUST BE
  • 00:34:09.905 --> 00:34:14.009
  • VOCAL ABOUT RACE ANDABOUT RECONCILIATION AND
  • 00:34:14.076 --> 00:34:18.180
  • ABOUT PREJUDICEAND ABOUT HATRED.
  • 00:34:18.246 --> 00:34:20.649
  • THE BOTTOM LINEIS THIS IS HATRED.
  • 00:34:20.715 --> 00:34:23.185
  • IT IS HATRED INTHE BODY OF CHRIST.
  • 00:34:23.251 --> 00:34:24.853
  • SO THAT'S INMY THING NOW.
  • 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.190
  • SO WHEN I TEACH YOUNGPASTORS AT PASTOR 'S
  • 00:34:28.256 --> 00:34:30.459
  • CONFERENCES AND I WOULDLIKE TO SAY TO THE WHITE
  • 00:34:30.525 --> 00:34:32.928
  • PASTORS WHO ARE WATCHING,YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT.
  • 00:34:32.994 --> 00:34:37.265
  • DR. EVANS IS SAYING BUT IWANT TO SAY IT TO, I WANT
  • 00:34:37.332 --> 00:34:39.801
  • TO ECHO IT, YOU HAVE GOTTO TEACH ABOUT THIS IN YOUR
  • 00:34:39.868 --> 00:34:45.040
  • PULPIT. THERE ARE PLENTYOF RESOURCES OUT THERE.
  • 00:34:45.107 --> 00:34:47.876
  • IF YOU FEEL LIKE, WELL,I CAN'T LEARN ALL THAT
  • 00:34:47.943 --> 00:34:49.845
  • ABOUT HAM, I'M NOT THATGOOD OF A BIBLE STUDY,
  • 00:34:49.911 --> 00:34:52.347
  • AND I PREACH DR. EVANS'MESSAGES ANYWAY, I DO
  • 00:34:52.414 --> 00:34:56.218
  • TOO, I JUST DON'T TELLANYBODY, SO WE ALL PREACH
  • 00:34:56.284 --> 00:34:59.488
  • DR. EVANS MESSAGE SO.
  • 00:34:59.554 --> 00:35:02.124
  • - SO DO I.
  • 00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:03.692
  • - OF COURSE, BUT LISTENTO SOME PEOPLE, EDUCATE
  • 00:35:03.758 --> 00:35:05.594
  • YOURSELF, PREACH IT TOYOUR OWN PULPIT, AND THEN
  • 00:35:05.660 --> 00:35:08.463
  • ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AGUY THAT HAS THE EARS OF
  • 00:35:08.530 --> 00:35:10.632
  • YOUNGER PASTORS, TEACHTHEM. THIS IS NOW ONE OF
  • 00:35:10.699 --> 00:35:14.669
  • THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUESTHAT WE'VE GOT TO
  • 00:35:14.736 --> 00:35:16.805
  • TEACH OUR CULTURE.
  • 00:35:16.872 --> 00:35:18.907
  • - AND I DO WANT TO SAYTHAT IF YOU DON'T HEAR
  • 00:35:18.974 --> 00:35:23.111
  • ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTLISTEN TO SOMEBODY'S
  • 00:35:23.178 --> 00:35:27.415
  • COMPASSIONATE STATEMENTS.
  • 00:35:27.482 --> 00:35:30.552
  • BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLETHAT ARE CHRISTIANS DO
  • 00:35:30.619 --> 00:35:33.922
  • NOT FEEL HEARD, THEY DONOT FEEL A PART OF THE
  • 00:35:33.989 --> 00:35:39.027
  • BIGGER BODY OF CHRIST.
  • 00:35:39.094 --> 00:35:41.163
  • THEY DO NOT FEEL THATTHE LOVE OF JESUS IS
  • 00:35:41.229 --> 00:35:43.598
  • FILTERING DOWNTO EVERYONE.
  • 00:35:43.665 --> 00:35:46.401
  • THERE ARE BLACK AND BROWNPEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY,
  • 00:35:46.468 --> 00:35:50.272
  • DR. TONY EVANS WENTTO A BIBLE SCHOOL.
  • 00:35:50.338 --> 00:35:53.975
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSEFOOLS ARE READING THAT
  • 00:35:54.042 --> 00:35:56.344
  • WOULD PUT A BLACK MANON PROBATION AT A BIBLE
  • 00:35:56.411 --> 00:35:59.314
  • COLLEGE. THAT IS HEARTBREAKING.
  • 00:35:59.381 --> 00:36:03.518
  • THERE ARE BLACK AND BROWNPEOPLE THAT HAVE THE
  • 00:36:03.585 --> 00:36:06.087
  • SCARY CONVERSATIONS WITHTHEIR CHILDREN THAT ARE
  • 00:36:06.154 --> 00:36:09.057
  • GOING TO CHURCH EVERYSUNDAY MORNING WHERE THE
  • 00:36:09.124 --> 00:36:11.426
  • PULPIT IS SILENT. THATIS HEARTBREAKING.
  • 00:36:11.493 --> 00:36:14.629
  • DO NOT HEAR ANGER. DONOT HEAR REBELLION.
  • 00:36:14.696 --> 00:36:19.434
  • HEAR THE HURT IN IT.
  • 00:36:19.501 --> 00:36:21.102
  • HEAR THE HURT THAT WITHALL RESPECT EVEN WHEN WE
  • 00:36:21.169 --> 00:36:24.806
  • HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION,POLICY ASIDE,
  • 00:36:24.873 --> 00:36:28.143
  • BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ANADMINISTRATION THAT RUNS
  • 00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:30.212
  • THE GOVERNMENT OF OURUNITED STATES SAY AND DO
  • 00:36:30.278 --> 00:36:33.815
  • THINGS THAT ARE NOT THEFRUITS OF THE SPIRIT,
  • 00:36:33.882 --> 00:36:36.718
  • AND I MEAN CHARACTER.CHARACTER.
  • 00:36:36.785 --> 00:36:38.787
  • I'M NOT TALKING ABOUTPOLICY, BUT JUST
  • 00:36:38.853 --> 00:36:41.122
  • CHARACTER ALONE, ANDWHITE CHRISTIANS IN
  • 00:36:41.189 --> 00:36:43.892
  • AMERICA SALUTE THATLEADER, THEY CHEER THAT
  • 00:36:43.959 --> 00:36:50.932
  • LEADER WITHOUT ADDRESSINGSOME OF THE CHARACTER
  • 00:36:50.999 --> 00:36:54.269
  • THINGS THAT DO NOTALIGN WITH SCRIPTURE,
  • 00:36:54.336 --> 00:36:57.105
  • IT IS OFFENSIVE.
  • 00:36:57.172 --> 00:36:59.107
  • AND WHAT IT DOES,IT MAKES EVANGELISM
  • 00:36:59.174 --> 00:37:00.942
  • DIFFICULT TONON-BELIEVERS BECAUSE A
  • 00:37:01.009 --> 00:37:03.311
  • NON-BELIEVER WILL LOOK ATTHAT AND SAY OKAY, YOU'RE
  • 00:37:03.378 --> 00:37:06.615
  • SAYING THAT THAT'SCHRISTIAN GOING ON IN THE
  • 00:37:06.681 --> 00:37:09.818
  • WHITE HOUSE, THAT THAT'SWHAT CHRISTIANITY LOOKS
  • 00:37:09.884 --> 00:37:11.820
  • LIKE? I WANT NOTHINGTO DO WITH THAT JESUS.
  • 00:37:11.886 --> 00:37:14.889
  • SAME THING THAT FREDERICKDOUGLASS SAID ABOUT EVEN
  • 00:37:14.956 --> 00:37:16.891
  • ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND SAIDABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING
  • 00:37:16.958 --> 00:37:19.761
  • WITH CHRISTIANITYAT THAT TIME.
  • 00:37:19.828 --> 00:37:23.131
  • FREDERICK DOUGLASS WASAN OPEN CHRISTIAN BUT
  • 00:37:23.198 --> 00:37:26.101
  • HE DID NOT CO-SIGNTHE CHRISTIANITY OF
  • 00:37:26.167 --> 00:37:29.671
  • SEGREGATION AND THECHRISTIANITY OF SLAVERY,
  • 00:37:29.738 --> 00:37:32.107
  • AND HE WAS ABLE TO BEDUPLICITOUS IN HIS STATEMENT.
  • 00:37:32.173 --> 00:37:35.310
  • AND AS CHRISTIANS IN THE21ST CENTURY, WHEN WE
  • 00:37:35.377 --> 00:37:38.480
  • HAVE POLITICAL LEADERSTHAT WE SUPPORT FROM A
  • 00:37:38.546 --> 00:37:42.317
  • CHRISTIAN AGENDA THAT DONOT REPRESENT THE FRUITS
  • 00:37:42.384 --> 00:37:45.754
  • OF THE SPIRIT IN CHARACTER,WHEN YOU SAY NOTHING,
  • 00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:48.890
  • IT IS OFFENSIVE TO THEBODY OF CHRIST AT WHOLE.
  • 00:37:48.957 --> 00:37:54.796
  • - IF WE ARE GOING TO--JESUS FIXED A RACIAL
  • 00:37:54.863 --> 00:37:58.933
  • PROBLEM IN JOHN 4 IN LESSTHAN TWO HOURS THAT HAD
  • 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.805
  • BEEN GOING ONSINCE 722 B.C.
  • 00:38:03.872 --> 00:38:07.342
  • AND HE TOOK HISDISCIPLES, AND HE MEETS
  • 00:38:07.409 --> 00:38:10.879
  • THIS WOMAN OF SAMARIA,AND HE GIVES THIS WOMAN
  • 00:38:10.945 --> 00:38:14.015
  • OF SAMARIA THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:38:14.082 --> 00:38:17.519
  • AND THE DISCIPLES COMEBACK AND THEY WANT TO
  • 00:38:17.585 --> 00:38:19.454
  • KNOW WHY ARE YOUTALKING TO HER?
  • 00:38:19.521 --> 00:38:21.890
  • NOT BECAUSESHE'S A FEMALE.
  • 00:38:21.956 --> 00:38:23.325
  • THEY'D SEEN HIM TALKTO FEMALES BEFORE, BUT
  • 00:38:23.391 --> 00:38:24.859
  • BECAUSE SHE WAS ASAMARITAN FEMALE.
  • 00:38:24.926 --> 00:38:27.629
  • AND HE SAYS DON'T SAYFOUR MONTHS AND THEN
  • 00:38:27.696 --> 00:38:29.631
  • COMES THE HARVEST. STOPPUTTING THIS THING OFF.
  • 00:38:29.698 --> 00:38:33.034
  • HE SAYS IF YOU'LLLOOK UP RIGHT NOW, THE
  • 00:38:33.101 --> 00:38:34.669
  • OPPORTUNITY IS RIGHTIN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
  • 00:38:34.736 --> 00:38:38.206
  • AND SO HE CALLED THEM TOTASK TO GET BUSY RIGHT THEN.
  • 00:38:38.273 --> 00:38:43.411
  • LET'S NOT PUT THIS OFFTO THE NEXT GENERATION
  • 00:38:43.478 --> 00:38:46.348
  • BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY,THIS CULTURAL DIVIDE
  • 00:38:46.414 --> 00:38:48.616
  • POLITICALLY, SOCIALLY HASREALLY OPENED UP THE DOOR
  • 00:38:48.683 --> 00:38:52.654
  • FOR THE CHURCH TOSTEP INTO THE VACUUM.
  • 00:38:52.721 --> 00:38:54.956
  • YOU KNOW THE BEST PART ILIKE ABOUT THAT JOHN 4
  • 00:38:55.023 --> 00:38:57.058
  • STORY, IT ENDS WITH JESUSGOING AND SPENDING THE
  • 00:38:57.125 --> 00:38:59.961
  • WEEKEND WITH THESAMARITANS WHERE THEY
  • 00:39:00.028 --> 00:39:03.198
  • WOULDN'T EVEN TALK TOEACH OTHER SINCE 722 B.C.
  • 00:39:03.264 --> 00:39:06.434
  • IF HE COULD DO THAT, ANDHE TELLS HIS DISCIPLES TO
  • 00:39:06.501 --> 00:39:09.804
  • PICK UP ON IT, AND WEHAVE THE SAME JESUS, WHY
  • 00:39:09.871 --> 00:39:14.075
  • ARE WE WAITING FOR ANOPPORTUNITY THAT HE'S
  • 00:39:14.142 --> 00:39:16.311
  • PLACED AT OUR FEET?
  • 00:39:16.378 --> 00:39:18.246
  • - I WANT ONE THINGI WAS JUST THINKING.
  • 00:39:18.313 --> 00:39:20.715
  • I JUST GOT TO BE INVOLVEDIN A CELEBRATION FOR
  • 00:39:20.782 --> 00:39:24.419
  • DR. EVANS PUBLISHED A STUDYBIBLE AND A COMMENTARY.
  • 00:39:24.486 --> 00:39:30.892
  • NOW HERE'S THE THINGTHAT SHOCKED ME.
  • 00:39:30.959 --> 00:39:33.261
  • FIRST COMMENTARYPUBLISHED BY A BLACK MAN.
  • 00:39:33.328 --> 00:39:35.597
  • - YES, YES.
  • 00:39:35.663 --> 00:39:38.266
  • - AND WE'RE OVER 2.000YEARS SINCE CHRIST CAME
  • 00:39:38.333 --> 00:39:40.869
  • AND BROUGHTRECONCILIATION BETWEEN
  • 00:39:40.935 --> 00:39:42.871
  • JEW AND GENTILE,MALE AND FEMALE,
  • 00:39:42.937 --> 00:39:45.640
  • BLACK AND WHITE IN ESSENCE.
  • 00:39:45.707 --> 00:39:48.710
  • BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO TELLEVERYBODY, YOU WANT TO
  • 00:39:48.777 --> 00:39:50.879
  • GET A BIBLE COMMENTARY,GET DR. EVANS NEW BIBLE
  • 00:39:50.945 --> 00:39:54.382
  • COMMENTARY BECAUSEIT'S PHENOMENAL.
  • 00:39:54.449 --> 00:39:56.251
  • - IT'S IN STORES NOW.
  • 00:39:56.317 --> 00:39:57.719
  • IT'S IN STORES NOW.
  • 00:39:57.786 --> 00:39:59.821
  • - THE ONE YOU JUSTHEARD, EVERY TIME HE
  • 00:39:59.888 --> 00:40:01.689
  • OPENS HIS MOUTH, YOU'REGOING TO LEARN SOMETHING
  • 00:40:01.756 --> 00:40:03.391
  • ABOUT THE BIBLE. IT'S IN ACOMMENTARY STUDY BIBLE.
  • 00:40:03.458 --> 00:40:05.727
  • - AND ONE OF THE THINGSWE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IN SOME
  • 00:40:05.794 --> 00:40:10.532
  • PLACES TRACE THEHAMITIC CONTRIBUTION TO
  • 00:40:10.598 --> 00:40:14.836
  • CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE HAMIS SPREAD THROUGHOUT
  • 00:40:14.903 --> 00:40:18.440
  • THERE, EVEN IN THELINEAGE OF JESUS.
  • 00:40:18.506 --> 00:40:20.575
  • SO I TELL PEOPLE FINDYOUR RACIAL PRIDE FIRST
  • 00:40:20.642 --> 00:40:23.011
  • IN JESUS CHRIST, NOTFIRST IN THE CULTURE
  • 00:40:23.077 --> 00:40:26.214
  • BECAUSE THE CULTUREMAY BE LYING TO YOU.
  • 00:40:26.281 --> 00:40:28.183
  • - KIRK?
  • 00:40:28.249 --> 00:40:30.051
  • - YEAH, I AM VERYAPPRECIATIVE FOR THIS
  • 00:40:30.118 --> 00:40:35.123
  • MOMENT, AND I HOPETHAT IT MOVES PAST
  • 00:40:35.190 --> 00:40:38.526
  • CONVERSATION, EVEN THOUGHTHIS WAS GREAT I REALLY
  • 00:40:38.593 --> 00:40:43.932
  • WANT TO REALLY INVITEPEOPLE WHO FEEL THE SAME
  • 00:40:43.998 --> 00:40:47.836
  • WAY THAT WE DO, WHO ARETIRED OF SEEING THE
  • 00:40:47.902 --> 00:40:53.341
  • CHURCH IN AMERICAPOWERLESS AND TO NOT HAVE
  • 00:40:53.408 --> 00:40:56.744
  • INFLUENCE WITH CULTUREBECAUSE WE SEE
  • 00:40:56.811 --> 00:40:59.013
  • MILLENNIALS THAT ARE NOWSAYING I WANT NOTHING TO
  • 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:01.883
  • DO WITH THE JESUS THATYOU GUYS ARE TALKING
  • 00:41:01.950 --> 00:41:04.919
  • ABOUT BECAUSE I DO NOTSEE THE IMPACT IN THE
  • 00:41:04.986 --> 00:41:07.489
  • EVERYDAY LIVES OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:09.557
  • SO IF WE'RE NOT LEADINGTHE NARRATIVE, THEN WE
  • 00:41:09.624 --> 00:41:13.995
  • ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM.
  • 00:41:14.062 --> 00:41:15.930
  • I AM VERY GRATEFULFOR A LOT OF THE WHITE
  • 00:41:15.997 --> 00:41:19.767
  • CHRISTIAN ARTISTS AND THEBLACK GOSPEL ARTISTS THAT
  • 00:41:19.834 --> 00:41:22.203
  • HAVE COME TO SUPPORT THISMOMENT, AND I WANT THEM
  • 00:41:22.270 --> 00:41:25.106
  • TO KNOW AS WELL THAT IWANT HEALING FOR OUR
  • 00:41:25.173 --> 00:41:28.676
  • MUSIC COMMUNITY, AND I AMWILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT
  • 00:41:28.743 --> 00:41:31.312
  • IS THAT I CAN DO TOMAKE SURE THAT WE
  • 00:41:31.379 --> 00:41:33.848
  • HAVE A SPIRIT OF UNITY.
  • 00:41:33.915 --> 00:41:36.551
  • MY AGENDA IS NOTDIVISION, I'M NOT TRYING
  • 00:41:36.618 --> 00:41:39.654
  • TO START AN INDIVIDUALMOMENT HERE.
  • 00:41:39.721 --> 00:41:42.957
  • I WANT THIS TO BE AOPPORTUNITY THAT WE TALK
  • 00:41:43.024 --> 00:41:46.528
  • ABOUT HOW TO BEABLE TO CHANGE.
  • 00:41:46.594 --> 00:41:48.663
  • I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYSREMEMBER ALVIN SLAUGHTER.
  • 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:51.065
  • WHEN THIS HAPPENED, ALVINSLAUGHTER, HE MADE A POST
  • 00:41:51.132 --> 00:41:55.303
  • ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SAIDTHAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT I
  • 00:41:55.370 --> 00:41:58.406
  • WAS TOO WEAK TO DO ANDTHAT I WAS TOO SILENT TO
  • 00:41:58.473 --> 00:42:03.511
  • DO WHEN I HAD ANOPPORTUNITY AND WHEN I
  • 00:42:03.578 --> 00:42:05.780
  • SAW THINGS AND I FAILED.
  • 00:42:05.847 --> 00:42:07.882
  • SO I'M THANKING YOU FORDOING WHAT I DIDN'T DO.
  • 00:42:07.949 --> 00:42:10.485
  • AND SO I HOPE THAT I'MDOING IT IN A SPIRIT OF
  • 00:42:10.552 --> 00:42:12.687
  • LOVE, BUT I HOPE AT THE SAMETIME I'M BEING INTENTIONAL
  • 00:42:12.754 --> 00:42:16.491
  • AND STRONG, AND I WILLSAY ONCE AGAIN TO ALL OF
  • 00:42:16.558 --> 00:42:21.829
  • MY WHITE BROTHERS ANDSISTERS WATCHING THIS,
  • 00:42:21.896 --> 00:42:25.166
  • BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLEDID NOT CREATE THESE
  • 00:42:25.233 --> 00:42:27.602
  • SYSTEMS, SO THEOPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE
  • 00:42:27.669 --> 00:42:31.105
  • LAYS MORE IN YOUR HANDS.
  • 00:42:31.172 --> 00:42:35.076
  • - YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELLTHE VIEWERS ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:42:35.143 --> 00:42:37.245
  • CONGRESS, THAT YOU'RERUNNING FOR CONGRESS.
  • 00:42:37.312 --> 00:42:39.280
  • YOU'RE NOT GONNATELL ANYBODY YET?
  • 00:42:39.347 --> 00:42:40.782
  • - I FEEL LIKE I CAN DOBETTER WORK ON THE BLOCK.
  • 00:42:40.848 --> 00:42:43.217
  • IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO RUN,IT WOULD BE THIS GUY.
  • 00:42:43.284 --> 00:42:47.055
  • I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.
  • 00:42:47.121 --> 00:42:49.357
  • WOULDN'T YOU VOTE FOR THISGUY? COME ON WITH IT.
  • 00:42:49.424 --> 00:42:51.993
  • - PASTOR?
  • 00:42:52.060 --> 00:42:53.394
  • - WELL, I USED ANILLUSTRATION AND I JUST
  • 00:42:53.461 --> 00:42:55.496
  • WANT TO DO IT BECAUSEIT HELPED OUR CHURCH.
  • 00:42:55.563 --> 00:42:57.865
  • I HELD UP A BOTTLE WATERFROM THE PULPIT AND I
  • 00:42:57.932 --> 00:43:03.438
  • SAID TO EVERYBODYWHAT DO YOU SEE.
  • 00:43:03.504 --> 00:43:05.506
  • SO TONY, WHAT DOYOU SEE RIGHT THERE?
  • 00:43:05.573 --> 00:43:07.108
  • - I SEE FIGI.
  • 00:43:07.175 --> 00:43:08.409
  • - HE SEES FIGI. IDON'T SEE FIGI,
  • 00:43:08.476 --> 00:43:09.844
  • I SEE NATURAL ELECTROLYTES.
  • 00:43:09.911 --> 00:43:13.615
  • BUT WE'RE LOOKINGAT THE SAME BOTTLE.
  • 00:43:13.681 --> 00:43:15.950
  • BUT WHAT I'VE GOT TODO IS NOT JUST TAKE MY
  • 00:43:16.017 --> 00:43:19.387
  • BROTHER'S WORD FOR IT.
  • 00:43:19.454 --> 00:43:21.089
  • I COULD TAKE TONY'S WORDFOR IT AND KIRK'S WORD
  • 00:43:21.155 --> 00:43:23.091
  • FOR IT BECAUSE I TRUSTTHEM, BUT WHAT WOULD BE
  • 00:43:23.157 --> 00:43:25.193
  • REALLY HELPFUL IS IF IWOULD GET UP FROM MY
  • 00:43:25.259 --> 00:43:28.196
  • COMFORTABLE SEAT, WALKAROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:43:28.262 --> 00:43:32.233
  • AND LOOK FROM HISPERSPECTIVE AT THIS ISSUE.
  • 00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:35.703
  • AND WHEN I'VE DONE THAT,WHEN I'VE ASKED MY
  • 00:43:35.770 --> 00:43:37.572
  • AFRICAN AMERICAN FRIENDSTO HELP ME SEE THIS ISSUE
  • 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.142
  • FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE,THAT'S WHAT'S BROUGHT
  • 00:43:41.209 --> 00:43:43.945
  • THE MOST CHANGE IN ME.
  • 00:43:44.012 --> 00:43:46.581
  • - KIRK ARE YOULEFT-HANDED?
  • 00:43:46.648 --> 00:43:49.183
  • - YES I'M LEFT-HANDED.
  • 00:43:49.250 --> 00:43:50.685
  • - I SEE YOU GESTURE LIKEI DO, I'M LEFT-HANDED.
  • 00:43:50.752 --> 00:43:53.621
  • IT'S VERY UNFAIR FOR US,YOU AND I, TO GO INTO A
  • 00:43:53.688 --> 00:43:58.426
  • SPORTS STORE TO TRY TOBUY A BASEBALL GLOVE.
  • 00:43:58.493 --> 00:44:01.763
  • THERE'S 700 GLOVES UP ONTHEIR THING, THERE'S TWO
  • 00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:05.366
  • THAT FIT MY RIGHTHAND SO THAT I CAN
  • 00:44:05.433 --> 00:44:08.636
  • BE A LEFTY PLAYING.
  • 00:44:08.703 --> 00:44:10.538
  • SO I LIVE LEFT-HANDED INA RIGHT-HANDED WORLD.
  • 00:44:10.605 --> 00:44:15.209
  • LET'S GIVE CREDIT TOPASTOR MC PHERSON WHO
  • 00:44:15.276 --> 00:44:18.179
  • USED THIS IN ONE OF HISLATEST BOOKS AS AN ANALOGY.
  • 00:44:18.246 --> 00:44:21.783
  • BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
  • 00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:23.918
  • SO THE IDEA THAT YOUUSUALLY CAN'T BUY VERY
  • 00:44:23.985 --> 00:44:29.457
  • MUCH STUFF FOR ALEFT-HANDED PERSON
  • 00:44:29.524 --> 00:44:33.494
  • BECAUSE IT'S ARIGHT-HANDED WORLD
  • 00:44:33.561 --> 00:44:35.630
  • IS A GOOD ANALOGY.
  • 00:44:35.697 --> 00:44:37.265
  • - MILES CAME ANDPREACHED THAT AT OUR
  • 00:44:37.331 --> 00:44:38.933
  • CHURCH, AT OUR PASTOR'SCONFERENCE FIRST, AND
  • 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.170
  • HE MADE A GREAT POINT,BUT THAT THE SPORTS
  • 00:44:42.236 --> 00:44:46.007
  • INDUSTRY WAS CREATED BYRIGHT-HANDED PEOPLE.
  • 00:44:46.074 --> 00:44:50.378
  • SO LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE AREAT A DISADVANTAGE AND
  • 00:44:50.445 --> 00:44:54.649
  • RIGHT-HANDED PEOPLEARE PRIVILEGED.
  • 00:44:54.716 --> 00:44:57.418
  • AND WHEN HE USED THOSEWORDS IT WAS LIKE OUR
  • 00:44:57.485 --> 00:45:00.121
  • CONGREGATION WHICH ISPRIMARILY WHITE GOT IT.
  • 00:45:00.188 --> 00:45:03.424
  • AND HE SAID YOU'RE NOTWRONG BECAUSE YOU'RE
  • 00:45:03.491 --> 00:45:05.626
  • PRIVILEGED, YOU'RE NOTPREJUDICE BECAUSE YOU'RE
  • 00:45:05.693 --> 00:45:08.963
  • PRIVILEGED, BUT I'MNOT WRONG BECAUSE I'M
  • 00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:11.032
  • DISADVANTAGED. I'M ALEFT-HANDED PERSON.
  • 00:45:11.099 --> 00:45:13.501
  • BUT THE SYSTEM, ANDTHAT'S WHAT KIRK IS
  • 00:45:13.568 --> 00:45:15.536
  • SAYING, THE SYSTEM WASCREATE BY RIGHT-HANDED
  • 00:45:15.603 --> 00:45:18.573
  • PEOPLE, SO THE SOLUTIONCOULD COME FROM THE
  • 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.743
  • RIGHT-HANDED PEOPLEWORKING WITH THE
  • 00:45:21.809 --> 00:45:23.978
  • LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE.
  • 00:45:24.045 --> 00:45:25.780
  • - OR THE WHITEHANDED PEOPLE.
  • 00:45:25.847 --> 00:45:29.150
  • - IT'S, IT'S EVEN SOMUCH LIKE THIS MATT.
  • 00:45:29.217 --> 00:45:33.387
  • IT'S THAT AS CHRISTIANS,WE ALL NO MATTER WHAT
  • 00:45:33.454 --> 00:45:37.458
  • COLOR YOU ARE, WE ALLHAVE TO DEAL AS PAUL SAYS
  • 00:45:37.525 --> 00:45:40.561
  • IN ROMANS WITH THESLAVERY OF SIN, RIGHT?
  • 00:45:40.628 --> 00:45:43.898
  • BUT BLACK PEOPLE ALSOHAVE TO DEAL WITH
  • 00:45:43.965 --> 00:45:46.667
  • THE SIN OF SLAVERY.
  • 00:45:46.734 --> 00:45:49.570
  • SO EVEN THERE ARE EVENBIBLICAL TEXTS WE TRY
  • 00:45:49.637 --> 00:45:53.708
  • TO PREACH AND TEACH ANDWHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:45:53.775 --> 00:45:55.209
  • SLAVES, OBEY YOUR PASTORSAND ALL THESE DIFFERENT
  • 00:45:55.276 --> 00:45:57.278
  • THINGS WE'VE GOT TO BEABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
  • 00:45:57.345 --> 00:45:59.514
  • PEOPLE OF COLOR COME TO,EVEN THEOLOGY WITH ALL
  • 00:45:59.580 --> 00:46:03.518
  • THESE DIFFERENTNUANCES THAT HAVE
  • 00:46:03.584 --> 00:46:05.520
  • SOMETIMES BEEN USEDAGAINST THEM, AND SO IT
  • 00:46:05.586 --> 00:46:08.122
  • IS VERY IMPORTANT FORWHITE BROTHERS AND SISTERS
  • 00:46:08.189 --> 00:46:13.161
  • TO KNOW THAT THIS IS NOTNOISE THAT YOU'RE HEARING.
  • 00:46:13.227 --> 00:46:16.831
  • THESE ARE CRIES OF THOSETHAT DO NOT HAVE
  • 00:46:16.898 --> 00:46:20.902
  • A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
  • 00:46:20.968 --> 00:46:22.403
  • THERE'S NO WAY AS A BLACKMAN I COULD BE AT THIS
  • 00:46:22.470 --> 00:46:24.305
  • TABLE IF IT HADN'T BEENFOR GOD BEING KIND ENOUGH
  • 00:46:24.372 --> 00:46:27.074
  • TO GIVE ME CERTAINACCOMPLISHMENTS.
  • 00:46:27.141 --> 00:46:28.943
  • CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL OFTHE OTHER BLACK MEN WHO
  • 00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:31.078
  • ARE PROBABLY MOREELOQUENT, PROBABLY HAVE
  • 00:46:31.145 --> 00:46:33.314
  • EVEN DEEPER EXPERIENCESTHAN I DO THAT WILL NEVER
  • 00:46:33.381 --> 00:46:35.616
  • GET THIS INCREDIBLEOPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
  • 00:46:35.683 --> 00:46:38.319
  • DIALOGUE LIKE THISBECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE
  • 00:46:38.386 --> 00:46:41.122
  • WHAT SOMETIMES WHITEAMERICA ALLOWS THEM TO
  • 00:46:41.189 --> 00:46:43.324
  • GET INTO THE ROOM.
  • 00:46:43.391 --> 00:46:45.226
  • AND IT'S VERY MUCH LIKEWHAT CARL LYNCH SAID ONCE
  • 00:46:45.293 --> 00:46:47.495
  • EVEN TRIED TO EXPLAIN TOWHITE AMERICANS ABOUT THE
  • 00:46:47.562 --> 00:46:50.431
  • BLACK LIVES MATTERMOVEMENT, WHATEVER YOU
  • 00:46:50.498 --> 00:46:52.300
  • THINK ABOUT ITTHEOLOGICALLY IT IS A
  • 00:46:52.366 --> 00:46:54.869
  • MOVEMENT THAT HAS GIVEN AVOICE TO THE VOICELESS,
  • 00:46:54.936 --> 00:46:57.171
  • BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUTBLACK LIVES MATTER, IT'S
  • 00:46:57.238 --> 00:47:01.375
  • BASICALLY A GREATILLUSTRATION OF WHEN A
  • 00:47:01.442 --> 00:47:03.644
  • FIRE TRUCK GOES INTO ANEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE
  • 00:47:03.711 --> 00:47:06.214
  • HOUSES ALL ON THAT BLOCKIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
  • 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.017
  • SO EVERY HOUSE ONTHAT BLOCK MATTERS.
  • 00:47:10.084 --> 00:47:13.054
  • BUT THE HOUSE ON THATBLOCK THAT IS ON FIRE IS
  • 00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:16.390
  • THE ONE THAT NEEDSTHE FIRE TRUCK.
  • 00:47:16.457 --> 00:47:18.459
  • IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THEOTHER HOUSES ARE NOT
  • 00:47:18.526 --> 00:47:20.027
  • IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'SA HOUSE ON THAT BLOCK
  • 00:47:20.094 --> 00:47:21.696
  • THAT'S ON FIRE AND THATHOUSE NEEDS THE WATER.
  • 00:47:21.762 --> 00:47:25.499
  • SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUTBLACK LIVES MATTER, WE'RE
  • 00:47:25.566 --> 00:47:27.301
  • NOT SAYING OTHER LIVESDON'T MATTER, WE'RE
  • 00:47:27.368 --> 00:47:29.003
  • SAYING RIGHT NOW INAMERICA BLACK PEOPLE FEEL
  • 00:47:29.070 --> 00:47:32.373
  • FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TOTHE OUTHOUSE WE CONTINUE
  • 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.144
  • TO FEEL THAT OUR LIVES DO--NO, NOT THE OUTHOUSE,
  • 00:47:37.211 --> 00:47:40.815
  • THE CHURCH HOUSE.
  • 00:47:40.882 --> 00:47:43.284
  • - I WAS TRYING TOFOLLOW THAT ANALOGY.
  • 00:47:43.351 --> 00:47:45.553
  • - TO THE CHURCHHOUSE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT
  • 00:47:45.620 --> 00:47:48.823
  • OUR LIVES DO NOT MATTER.
  • 00:47:48.890 --> 00:47:51.225
  • AND IF THEY SHOULDMATTER ANYWHERE ELSE,
  • 00:47:51.292 --> 00:47:53.194
  • THEY SHOULD MATTERIN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:47:53.261 --> 00:47:55.763
  • - IT SHOULD.
  • 00:47:55.830 --> 00:47:56.998
  • - DON'T WORRY ABOUTTHAT STATEMENT.
  • 00:47:57.064 --> 00:47:58.399
  • WE'LL EDIT THAT. I'M KIDDING.WE'RE NOT GONNA EDIT.
  • 00:47:58.466 --> 00:48:01.269
  • SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT SIXMINUTES LEFT, PASTOR, AND
  • 00:48:01.335 --> 00:48:07.775
  • WE HAVE TWO SENIORPASTORS HERE IN DALLAS.
  • 00:48:07.842 --> 00:48:10.978
  • I GIVE TO YOU BOTHTHE LAST SIX MINUTES.
  • 00:48:11.045 --> 00:48:14.048
  • JUST TO KIND OF LANDTHE PLANE MAYBE.
  • 00:48:14.115 --> 00:48:18.019
  • - WELL, I TRY TOAPPROACH THE ISSUES, ALL
  • 00:48:18.085 --> 00:48:20.721
  • ISSUES BUT SPECIFICALLYTHIS ISSUE THEOLOGICALLY
  • 00:48:20.788 --> 00:48:24.091
  • FIRST BECAUSE I WANT TOKNOW WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY.
  • 00:48:24.158 --> 00:48:26.928
  • AND THEN I WANTMEN TO ADJUST.
  • 00:48:26.994 --> 00:48:29.530
  • THE SINGLE GREATESTSTATEMENT ON OUR
  • 00:48:29.597 --> 00:48:32.366
  • SPIRITUAL IDENTITY THATMOST CHRISTIANS WOULD
  • 00:48:32.433 --> 00:48:35.236
  • AGREE WITH IS GALATIANS2:20, I HAVE BEEN
  • 00:48:35.303 --> 00:48:37.204
  • CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST,IT'S NO LONGER I THAT
  • 00:48:37.271 --> 00:48:39.774
  • LIVES BUT CHRISTLIVES IN ME.
  • 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:41.943
  • SO WE LOVE GALATIANS2:20, BUT WHAT MOST
  • 00:48:42.009 --> 00:48:45.046
  • PEOPLE DON'T ADDRESS ISTHE ONLY REASON PAUL SAYS
  • 00:48:45.112 --> 00:48:49.350
  • GALATIANS 2:20 IS BECAUSEOF WHAT OCCURRED IN
  • 00:48:49.417 --> 00:48:52.620
  • GALATIANS 2 VERSES11 THROUGH 19.
  • 00:48:52.687 --> 00:48:56.123
  • BECAUSE IN GALATIANS2:11-19, PETER HAS LEFT
  • 00:48:56.190 --> 00:49:01.395
  • THE GENTILES BECAUSE HISJEWISH BROTHERS HAVE
  • 00:49:01.462 --> 00:49:05.866
  • SHOWED UP, AND HE DIDNOT WANT TO OFFEND THE
  • 00:49:05.933 --> 00:49:08.936
  • BROTHERS OF HIS OWN RACEBY HIS ASSOCIATION WITH
  • 00:49:09.003 --> 00:49:12.606
  • HIS NEW BROTHERS OFA DIFFERENT RACE.
  • 00:49:12.673 --> 00:49:15.109
  • WHEN IT SAYS BUT PAULSAW WHAT PETER DID IN
  • 00:49:15.176 --> 00:49:18.846
  • SEPARATING HIMSELF FROMTHE GENTILES AND PAUL
  • 00:49:18.913 --> 00:49:22.216
  • SAYS I CONDEMNED PETERIN FRONT OF EVERYBODY
  • 00:49:22.283 --> 00:49:26.988
  • BECAUSE HE DID WHAT HEDID PUBLICLY WHICH WAS AN
  • 00:49:27.054 --> 00:49:30.224
  • INSULT TO THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:49:30.291 --> 00:49:32.860
  • AND IT WAS THAT STORYTHAT LEADS HIM TO SAY
  • 00:49:32.927 --> 00:49:36.097
  • GALATIANS 2:20.
  • 00:49:36.163 --> 00:49:37.898
  • PETER, YOU OUGHT TO BELIKE ME, CRUCIFIED WITH
  • 00:49:37.965 --> 00:49:41.235
  • CHRIST, EVEN IF IT MEANSDISASSOCIATING WITH YOUR
  • 00:49:41.302 --> 00:49:45.539
  • RACIAL IDENTITY TO PURSUEYOUR NEW IDENTITY IN CHRIST.
  • 00:49:45.606 --> 00:49:50.077
  • SO IF WE WOULD TAKE THETRUTH OF THE TEXT IN THE
  • 00:49:50.144 --> 00:49:53.347
  • CONTEXT IN WHICH IT ISFOUND, WE WOULD SEE THAT
  • 00:49:53.414 --> 00:49:57.218
  • RACIAL ILLEGITIMATERACIAL DIVISION MUST
  • 00:49:57.284 --> 00:50:01.188
  • BE ADDRESSED THROUGH APROPER UNDERSTANDING OF
  • 00:50:01.255 --> 00:50:04.425
  • OUR BIBLICALIDENTITY IN CHRIST.
  • 00:50:04.492 --> 00:50:06.527
  • - PASTOR?
  • 00:50:06.594 --> 00:50:08.062
  • - WELL, I AGREE WE GO TOTHE WORD OF GOD FIRST,
  • 00:50:08.129 --> 00:50:10.331
  • AND THE WORD OF GOD THESCRIPTURE THAT HELPED ME
  • 00:50:10.398 --> 00:50:12.633
  • THE MOST WAS MY PEOPLEPERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
  • 00:50:12.700 --> 00:50:15.803
  • AND THE LORD SAID TOME YOU HAVE A LACK OF
  • 00:50:15.870 --> 00:50:18.072
  • KNOWLEDGE IN THIS AREA,AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN
  • 00:50:18.139 --> 00:50:20.474
  • YOU'RE A STUPID PERSON,IT JUST MEANS YOU DON'T
  • 00:50:20.541 --> 00:50:23.244
  • UNDERSTAND THIS AREA.
  • 00:50:23.310 --> 00:50:25.146
  • AND IT IS THE WORDIGNORANT AND PEOPLE DON'T
  • 00:50:25.212 --> 00:50:28.115
  • UNDERSTAND THAT WORD.
  • 00:50:28.182 --> 00:50:29.984
  • I'M IGNORANT OF THEFRENCH LANGUAGE.
  • 00:50:30.051 --> 00:50:32.953
  • THAT DOESN'T MEAN THATI CAN'T LEARN OR THAT I
  • 00:50:33.020 --> 00:50:35.589
  • HAVE A LEARNINGDISABILITY, I'VE JUST
  • 00:50:35.656 --> 00:50:37.358
  • NEVER STUDIED OR LEARNED,HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE IN THAT
  • 00:50:37.425 --> 00:50:40.494
  • AREA. WHAT I REALIZED WASI'M IGNORANT OF THIS ISSUE
  • 00:50:40.561 --> 00:50:44.498
  • AND IGNORANT OF THE WAYMY BROTHERS AND SISTERS
  • 00:50:44.565 --> 00:50:46.300
  • HAVE BEEN TREATED AND THEWAY THEY FELT FOR YEARS.
  • 00:50:46.367 --> 00:50:49.537
  • SO I TALKED TO SOMEFRIENDS OF MINE AND SAID
  • 00:50:49.603 --> 00:50:54.108
  • CAN I ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONSIN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT?
  • 00:50:54.175 --> 00:50:57.578
  • EVEN IF THEY'RE STUPIDBECAUSE I ADMIT I'M IGNORANT.
  • 00:50:57.645 --> 00:51:00.347
  • SO I BEGAN TO ASKQUESTIONS AND THEN
  • 00:51:00.414 --> 00:51:04.251
  • I ASKED THEM TELLME YOUR STORY.
  • 00:51:04.318 --> 00:51:06.520
  • AND NOW I DON'TSYMPATHIZE WITH KIRK WHEN
  • 00:51:06.587 --> 00:51:11.892
  • THE STORY HE TOLD ATFIRST, I EMPATHIZE.
  • 00:51:11.959 --> 00:51:14.495
  • THERE'S SOMETHING I FEEL.
  • 00:51:14.562 --> 00:51:15.963
  • HERE'S WHY IEMPATHIZE WITH HIM.
  • 00:51:16.030 --> 00:51:17.498
  • I WASN'T A BLACK MAN THATHAD THAT EXPERIENCE BUT
  • 00:51:17.565 --> 00:51:21.402
  • AS A WHITE MAN I HAD SOMEEXPERIENCES THAT SHAPED
  • 00:51:21.469 --> 00:51:24.038
  • ME AND HURT ME DEEPLY ANDNOW I HAVE A BROTHER THAT
  • 00:51:24.105 --> 00:51:28.742
  • HAD SOME EXPERIENCES THATHURT HIM DEEPLY, AND SO I
  • 00:51:28.809 --> 00:51:32.713
  • BELIEVE IF WE'LL EDUCATEOURSELVES, START TALKING
  • 00:51:32.780 --> 00:51:36.150
  • ABOUT IT, HAVE SOMEFORM LIKE THIS IN HOMES
  • 00:51:36.217 --> 00:51:39.420
  • PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS, ITHINK WE CAN GET PAST THIS.
  • 00:51:39.487 --> 00:51:43.390
  • AND I DO BELIEVE THATIT'S GOT TO START WITH
  • 00:51:43.457 --> 00:51:47.027
  • THE CHURCH. WE HAVE THEANSWER. HIS NAME IS JESUS.
  • 00:51:47.094 --> 00:51:49.964
  • FROM ONE RACEHE MADE ALL MEN.
  • 00:51:50.030 --> 00:51:52.867
  • WE'RE DIFFERENTETHNICITIES ON THIS STAGE
  • 00:51:52.933 --> 00:51:55.603
  • BUT ACCORDING TO THEBIBLE WE'RE ONE RACE.
  • 00:51:55.669 --> 00:51:57.972
  • WE'RE CALLEDTHE HUMAN RACE.
  • 00:51:58.038 --> 00:52:00.007
  • SO IF WE COULD STARTHAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS
  • 00:52:00.074 --> 00:52:03.144
  • AND THEN I JUST THINKGOD CAN DO THE REST
  • 00:52:03.210 --> 00:52:05.980
  • IF WE'LL AT LEAST STARTTALKING ABOUT IT.
  • 00:52:06.046 --> 00:52:08.282
  • - WE'VE GOT A COUPLEOF MINUTES LEFT.
  • 00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:10.050
  • KIRK, I WANT TO GIVEYOU THE FINAL WORD.
  • 00:52:10.117 --> 00:52:12.620
  • PASTOR TONY, WOULD YOUJUST PRAY AND SEAL THIS
  • 00:52:12.686 --> 00:52:15.689
  • ENVIRONMENT AND THENKIRK JUST FINAL WORD.
  • 00:52:15.756 --> 00:52:21.428
  • - THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORYTO HOW WE GOT HERE.
  • 00:52:21.495 --> 00:52:28.035
  • THESE ARE NOT JUSTEMOTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:52:28.102 --> 00:52:29.770
  • RUNNING WANTING TO TRY TOJUSTIFY CERTAIN ACTIONS
  • 00:52:29.837 --> 00:52:34.375
  • THAT YOU MAY NOT ALWAYSFEEL ARE LEGITIMATE.
  • 00:52:34.441 --> 00:52:37.111
  • AND WE SEE THE HISTORYFROM THE 16, 17, 18, 19TH
  • 00:52:37.178 --> 00:52:42.950
  • CENTURY THAT HAVE BEENSYSTEMS, THAT HAVE NOT
  • 00:52:43.017 --> 00:52:47.888
  • ALLOWED BLACK AND BROWNPEOPLE A FAIR SEAT,
  • 00:52:47.955 --> 00:52:51.692
  • NOT ONLY AT THE TABLEBUT IN THE PEW.
  • 00:52:51.759 --> 00:52:54.061
  • SO IF YOU DO YOUR HISTORYAND RESEARCH, HOPEFULLY
  • 00:52:54.128 --> 00:52:58.098
  • YOU WILL COME TO THISENLIGHTENMENT OF
  • 00:52:58.165 --> 00:53:00.701
  • UNDERSTANDING HOW WE GOTHERE AND THE PAIN OF
  • 00:53:00.768 --> 00:53:04.505
  • BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLETHAT STILL EVEN EXISTS TO
  • 00:53:04.572 --> 00:53:06.907
  • THIS DAY BY EVEN OURRELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL
  • 00:53:06.974 --> 00:53:10.811
  • LEADERS THAT CONTINUETO SUPPORT THAT
  • 00:53:10.878 --> 00:53:16.450
  • NEGATIVE NARRATIVE.
  • 00:53:16.517 --> 00:53:18.085
  • SO I'M HOPING AND PRAYINGTHAT NOT ONLY DO YOU
  • 00:53:18.152 --> 00:53:20.154
  • SPIRITUALLY RESPOND BUTYOU RESPOND BY YOUR WORKS
  • 00:53:20.221 --> 00:53:24.458
  • BECAUSE FAITH WITHOUTWORKS IS DEAD.
  • 00:53:24.525 --> 00:53:27.061
  • SO I WANT TO SEE THE WORKOF THE COMMUNITY COME
  • 00:53:27.127 --> 00:53:30.030
  • TOGETHER AND WE COMETOGETHER AS ONE TO BE
  • 00:53:30.097 --> 00:53:33.167
  • ABLE TO ADDRESS THEREALITY OF WHERE WE ARE
  • 00:53:33.234 --> 00:53:36.270
  • TO GET WHERE WE'RETRYING TO GO.
  • 00:53:36.337 --> 00:53:38.439
  • - LET'S PRAY.
  • 00:53:38.505 --> 00:53:40.374
  • NOW LORD, YOU'VE HEARDTHE DISCUSSION, YOU'VE
  • 00:53:40.441 --> 00:53:43.711
  • HEARD THE INTERACTION,YOU'VE SEEN THE LOVE THAT
  • 00:53:43.777 --> 00:53:47.715
  • WE HAVE SHARED IN THISCIRCLE, BUT NOW WE HAND
  • 00:53:47.781 --> 00:53:51.885
  • IT OVER TO YOU FOR YOURSPIRIT TO TAKE IT BEYOND
  • 00:53:51.952 --> 00:53:55.923
  • THIS BROADCAST INTO THEHEARTS AND MINDS OF
  • 00:53:55.990 --> 00:53:59.960
  • PULPITS AND PEWS ANDTHEN BEYOND SO THAT YOUR
  • 00:54:00.027 --> 00:54:03.764
  • KINGDOM IS ADVANCEDTHROUGH THE ONE RACE YOU
  • 00:54:03.831 --> 00:54:06.867
  • CREATED, THE HUMAN RACE,WITH ALL OF ITS VARIABLES
  • 00:54:06.934 --> 00:54:11.205
  • TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THEKINGDOM THAT IS TO COME
  • 00:54:11.272 --> 00:54:15.376
  • WHEN ALL THESE RACESGATHER AROUND YOUR THRONE
  • 00:54:15.442 --> 00:54:18.145
  • IN THE WORSHIPOF YOUR SON.
  • 00:54:18.212 --> 00:54:20.147
  • RECEIVE OUR PRAISE, OURWORSHIP, USE THIS FOR
  • 00:54:20.214 --> 00:54:22.650
  • YOUR GLORY, AND WE WILLCONTINUE TO GIVE YOU THE
  • 00:54:22.716 --> 00:54:25.386
  • PRAISE YOU ALONE DESERVE,CREATOR OF ALL MANKIND.
  • 00:54:25.452 --> 00:54:29.423
  • IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
  • 00:54:29.490 --> 00:54:31.458
  • - AMEN.
  • 00:54:31.525 --> 00:54:33.127
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