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Praise | March 7, 2017

Praise

March 7, 2017

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Tom Newman hosts Steven Curtis Chapman.

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Praise | March 7, 2017

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- female announcer: Tonight
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from Los Angeles, California,
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Grammy Award-winning
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Christian music artist,
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Steven Curtis Chapman;
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and host, producer Tom Newman.
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[music]
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[audience applauding]
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[music]
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[music]
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- Steven Curtis Chapman: Hello.
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- Tom Newman: Welcome,
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everyone, to a very, very
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special "Praise" program.
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What makes it special is that
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you're right there tuning in for
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Would you please welcome
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my very special guest,
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Steven Curtis Chapman.
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Steven Curtis Chapman.
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- Tom: Now, I could say a whole
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bunch of things and a whole
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bunch of things need to be said
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but, rather than me say it,
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let's go to this very special
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roll-in.
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Here it is.
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- announcer: Steven Curtis
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Chapman celebrates 30 years of
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music as a singer, songwriter,
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and record producer.
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Recognized as one of the most
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prolific singers in contemporary
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Christian music, Chapman has
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received five Grammys, 58 Dove
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Awards, an American Music Award,
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and 48 number one singles,
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making him the most awarded
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artist in Christian music
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history.
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He's sold more than 11 million
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albums and he has 10 certified
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gold or platinum albums.
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I am the heart.
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I need the heart.
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- announcer: Also hailed as
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an actor, author, and social
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activist, his work has inspired
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millions around the world.
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Now, for the first time, Chapman
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unveils his life's work in his
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new book, "Between Heaven & the
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Real World," where he shares his
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personal journey, his family
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life, and stories behind his
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most beloved songs.
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Steven Curtis Chapman
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Steven Curtis Chapman
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- Steven: Well done, Tom.
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- Tom: C'mon.
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- Steven: Even got my acting
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in there.
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I love that.
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- Tom: I saw that.
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- Steven: Thanks to you.
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- Tom: Steven, a lot of people
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know you as a singer,
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a songwriter,
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and an amazing minister.
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You've written--you've gone and
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written a book.
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Tell me what that's all about.
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- Steven: Yes, yes.
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Well, thank you.
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It is great to be here, first
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of all.
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Let me just say thanks so much
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for you guys being here.
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Thanks for all of you being
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with us.
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And for my dear friend,
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Tom Newman.
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I love that little clip
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of actor, that little moment.
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This is the guy responsible for
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attach, you know, behind my name
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there, although it would be, I'm
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sure, much debated in the world
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of true actors.
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But this guy taught me
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everything I know about that so
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it's really exciting to get to
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share this kind of milestone,
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this celebration, with you.
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You know, I--those who know me
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or know anything about my music,
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and who have ever seen me in
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concert, know that I'm a
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storyteller.
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I love--my music is really
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stories set to music.
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And when I have an audience and
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I have an opportunity and a
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guitar in my hand, usually I'm
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singing about half the time and
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then I'm telling the stories,
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you know, in between the songs
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'cause there's for every song,
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you know, that's 3 and a half to
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4 minutes, there's anywhere from
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3, you know, 3 years to
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30 years, in this case, of life
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or even more in that song.
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I'm very much--my faith journey,
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my relationship with Jesus,
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has been very much shaped by
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the stories of other followers
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of Jesus, through Scripture,
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you know.
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And I mean, Jesus told stories,
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you know.
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There wasn't--his sermons were
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usually stories.
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And those have deeply
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marked my life.
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The stories of, you know,
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faithful followers of God, those
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kind of books have really
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impacted my life deeply.
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And so I was, you know, given
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the opportunity through
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the years, different ones have
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discussed, "Hey, would you
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consider, you know, telling your
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story, writing your story in
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a autobiography, memoirs, kind
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of form?"
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And I've usually just said,
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"Not yet, not now.
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I don't feel like I'm quite at
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the right point to kind of take
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a pause, look back, remember,
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and really commit that, you
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know, to paper or, you know, to
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a computer and really write this
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story," 'cause I knew it was
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gonna be a very in-depth
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process.
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I mean, when I write a song, I
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usually write ten different
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versions of that one song and
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that's 100 words and that takes
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me, you know, weeks and months
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so imagine if I'm gonna write,
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you know, 90.000 words,
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how long that's gonna take.
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So it was something I think I
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was, you know, I held off for a
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while.
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But I always knew at some point
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when I really felt like it was
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the right time, I really wanted
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to really more than anything
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invite people on the journey.
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People who know my music,
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certainly to get maybe some of
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the--I think when they read some
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of the stories going on behind
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those songs, even though I've
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shared 'em quickly in concert or
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in interviews like this, they're
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gonna get a chance to really go
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down to those deep, deep places
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or maybe to those really high
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mountain peaks with me and get
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hopefully, of that song.
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Not just so they can go, "Oh,
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that's really interesting, the
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life of Steven Curtis Chapman."
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I wouldn't ask anybody to take
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the time to do that.
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But this is a story of God's
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faithfulness.
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This is a story of God's
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goodness, God's faithfulness,
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throughout my journey and
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his--how he has shown up
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in so many amazing ways
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in my life, in my story.
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- Tom: You know, I remember
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having a discussion at church.
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I went to Billy Joe Daugherty's
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church, Victory Christian Center
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in Tulsa, for 30-plus years
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and Billy Joe passed
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a few years back.
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But one of the things I remember
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is when I was an ORU student
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that there would be so many of
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these great speakers that would
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come across the platform and
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they would share their stories
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and all's you would really hear
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was their amazing
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accomplishments and the miracles
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and the stuff that they had.
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And I would get so discouraged
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sometimes, thinking, "How could
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God--everything with my life.
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I have problems.
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Things happen in my life
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that are not smooth and easy."
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Of course, your life has been
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perfect.
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- Steven: Yeah, yeah,
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pretty much.
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- Tom: You haven't had any
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difficulties or complexities
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in yours.
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- Steven: Yeah, pretty much.
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I had to really dig deep for,
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you know, a few little
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difficult moments, not.
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- Tom: No, well, I think that's
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the thing that was beautiful
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to me.
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I took the chance to read
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your book and, reading it,
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I was amazed at two things.
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Frankly, how transparent
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you were.
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You went to some really
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hard places.
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In fact, before we came out here
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tonight, I said, "Are there
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places in here that I shouldn't
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go because what you say in this
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is pretty shattering."
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And you've gone through some
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really tough spots.
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And so I think I would like to
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let folks know that this is not
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just a glossed-over version of
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something.
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This is, "Between Heaven & the
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Real World," there's a whole lot
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of real world in there.
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And I can't--I was grateful.
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- Steven: Well, that was
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really, really important in the
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process as one of the
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commitments I made early on was
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that with God's help that I
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really be honest.
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I feel like, for me, the places
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in Scripture where God didn't
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edit out the mess, that is hope
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for me.
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Just like you said.
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I mean, that, that when I read
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being known as the man after
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God's own heart, you know, King
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David, I have hope, not in his
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great accomplishments and all of
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that, but in the fact that,
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you know--
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- Tom: That he was an adulterer
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and a murderer?
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- Steven: Yeah, that he was
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such a, you know, just that
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there was so much brokenness.
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And so, for me, I'm just, again,
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so grateful throughout even
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Paul's life, talking about
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my weakness, "but it's in
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my weakness that his strength
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is made perfect."
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Those are all the favorite
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places in Scripture and
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so, you know, I wanted so much
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and it was a commitment, even my
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family and my son Caleb who's
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just one of my best friends in
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the world and is amazing
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songwriter and musician.
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I won't start talking about
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my kids.
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We'll be here all night.
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But they're awesome.
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And--but he even encouraged me,
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set my down, said, "Dad, you
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know, just promise me this.
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If you're gonna write a book, if
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you're gonna do it," he's like,
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"just be honest and tell the
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truth 'cause, Dad, I know you
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will but I'm encouraging you to
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do it.
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Don't hold back, you know."
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'Cause we have this tendency,
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obviously, in our Christian
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communities, you know, we put on
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our best, we go to church Sunday
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morning, we gotta look good, we
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gotta--and people are hurtin'
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and, like you said, just wanting
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to know, "Well, what about me?
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'Cause I do not have it
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together," and it's hard,
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you know, when you stand
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on stage
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and you sing your songs, people,
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to project something.
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When you sit on television and
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people wanna say, "Well, man, if
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I could just have the life they
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have," yeah, "then I'd
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have it together."
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And so, it was so
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important for me that I would
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just really, you know,
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share the truth.
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Share it very honestly.
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- Tom: We've got about 30 years
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to cover in an hour.
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So that's gonna be really--it's
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gonna be really hard.
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So what I wanna do is I wanna go
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to a roll-in kind of your early
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years.
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And we're just gonna call this
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"The Early Years."
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"The Early Years."
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- Steven: I played little
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league ball right up there.
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I had a completely hitless
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season.
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Think it was probably here on
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this field that I really began
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this first sense of calling into
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music because I realized that I
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had no future in baseball.
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- Steven: I would believe it.
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That's Grandpa Rudd for you, I
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believe that.
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Always into something.
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- Steven: My brother and I and
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my mom would come to church
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here.
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We would get up.
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My dad would sleep in so the
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pastor would stop by on his way
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to church, bang on the door of
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our house, and say,
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"Herb Chapman, I know you're
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asleep," you know.
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"Get up and come to church with
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your family."
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And he, literally,
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did that and amazingly enough
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within about 2 or 3 years of
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this, my dad was serving as
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minister of music beside
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this guy.
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I think that in those early
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years, music was really becoming
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a language for me to express
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myself because that was how so
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many people who influenced my
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life expressed themselves to me,
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you know, the kitchen right here
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beside where I'm sitting is
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the place where it would become
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off-limits late at night when my
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dad and all his buddies would
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get together and write music.
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And I would hear 'em in there
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and it just had--there was such
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a mysterious kind of mystique
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about, you know, what's going on
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in there, you know.
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They're creating music.
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- Steven: She doesn't just set
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this up because she knew we were
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coming with cameras.
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Every time I come home, she's
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got the latest collection of
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everything I've done laid out.
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Yup, see, there you go.
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She's got 'em--she's got 'em
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all, I'm tellin' ya.
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President of the Steven Curtis
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Chapman fan club right here, my
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grandmother.
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- Steven: This was the piano I
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used to try out my new songs on
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Grandma and Dad, you guys are so
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rarin' to listen.
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Yeah, one of the songs that
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actually on my first album.
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It's called, "Hiding Place."
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And I remember playing that
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and sitting down here.
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It's been too many years since I
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played it but it was something
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like--
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You're my hiding place,
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safe in your embrace.
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I'm protected from
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the storm that rages.
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And when the waters rise
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and I run to hide,
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Lord, in you I find
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my hiding place.
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Lord, in you I find
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Lord, in you I find
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- Tom: I'm here with
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Steven Curtis Chapman
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and we're talking about
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his new book, "Between
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Heaven & the Real World."
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And for those of you watching,
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this was the very first
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opportunity that anyone's
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ever had because
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It's in bookstores everywhere.
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And because Matt and Laurie are
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so committed, we're not gonna
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have somebody on this program
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that we can't offer
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something that you're gonna
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be able to get.
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So they wanna make this book
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available to you
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for a gift of any amount.
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So just please call the number
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on the bottom of your screen
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and get "Between
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Heaven & the Real World."
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Steven, that's kind of
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the early years.
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You talk a whole bunch of stuff
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about Paducah, Kentucky.
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Did I say that right?
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- Steven: I do.
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Yeah, you did it very,
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very well.
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Yes, yeah.
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- Tom: Paducah, Kentucky,
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and so you and your brother
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and Mom and Dad.
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Tell us about that pastor
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walking by and knocking on
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the wall, on the window.
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- Steven: Well, it's gonna take
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everything I can do to hold it
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together, watching these clips
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because I haven't seen--that's
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my grandmother that I was
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singing that song with who
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went to be with Jesus
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a couple of years ago.
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And I haven't watched that clip
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since then so, phew, I was--I'm
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trying to hold it together.
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And my other grandparents who
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were with me in that video,
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my mom's mom and dad who
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are now with Jesus as well.
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Faithful followers of Jesus.
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A lot of the reason I'm sitting
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here tonight are some of the
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faces you saw in that video who
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prayed for me, who planted the
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seeds of truth in my heart, in
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my life.
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And my parents, my mom and my
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dad, godly, amazing people but
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when I was a little boy up until
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about the age of 7, my dad loved
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hunting on Saturday night with
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his buddies and he was out late
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at night.
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And so my mom would take my
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brother and me to church but Dad
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would usually sleep in.
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And so our pastor, amazing godly
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man, David McMichael, would come
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by the house and literally knock
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on the window where he knew my
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dad was sleeping and holler in
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the window.
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This is a whole different style
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of door-to-door,
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window-to-window, evangelism
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right here.
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And he'd yell in the window,
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"Herb Chapman, get out of bed.
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Come to church with
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your family."
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And my dad didn't really
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like him a lot at that time
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and over a time and through
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revival that happened in our
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little Olivet Baptist Church,
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you saw it there in the video.
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It's so fun getting to show
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those pictures and those videos
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'cause that was the place where
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just it was a very, you know,
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not any unusual occurrence.
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Every few months, you know,
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we'd have these gatherings,
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these revivals, at our church.
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And it was a result of that that
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God stirred in my dad's heart,
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got--my mom got him to go to
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church.
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I think, you know, Pastor
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McMichael and his knocking on
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the window, maybe Dad just
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thought, "I'll get a little
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sleep if I just show up one time
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and at least get him off
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my back."
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But God began to stir in
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my family's heart and I got to
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watch a transformation happen in
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my parents' lives, in my older
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brother, Herbie, who I talk
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about a lot in the book, and our
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journey together.
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He's one of my best friends in
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the world.
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And truly a great influence in
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- Tom: And you always said
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he's a better singer.
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- Steven: He is.
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He really is.
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In fact, if you heard him, you'd
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probably just say, "All right,
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Steve, we're done.
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Thank you.
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He's--we want Herbie,"
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'cause he's a great singer.
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And we grew up singing together.
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Once my parents committed their
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lives to Christ, I was,
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like I say, about 7.
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It was a few months later, I
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watched this really transforming
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thing happen in their lives.
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'Cause as I tell in the book, I,
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you know, when I was a little
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guy, my parents started out with
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very little chance of making it,
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you know?
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They started just in all
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the wrong ways.
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My mom was 16.
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You know, my brother came along.
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They didn't even know if they
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were, you know, really in love
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and how were they gonna make
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this work and so I was actually
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about in the book to really kind
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of, it's either we're gonna
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chuck it and give up on this
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marriage or let's have--maybe we
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should have another child
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and maybe that will help.
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As crazy as that sounds,
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that's kinda how God brought me
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into this world.
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- Tom: No, you talk about you
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kinda being a fixer.
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You're kinda that guy to bring
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things together.
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- Steven: Yeah, I mean, was
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sort of born to do that, to save
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my parents' marriage and, you
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know, and it did begin to get
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better.
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It wasn't me, obviously, it was
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God and it was--there's a work
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that he did.
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But certainly, I've--I carried
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that with me and, you know,
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share a lot about that and how
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that, you know, has good and
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bad, really, affected my life.
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- Tom: I think the one thing
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that was surprising to me was to
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find out that your dad really
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had a music store.
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That you were kind of born into
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a musical family.
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Like it or not, there you were.
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- Steven: Yeah, he did.
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That was his life--his boyhood
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dream was to someday have a
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music store.
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He's a great singer and, again,
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way better singer.
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I finally got my brother and my
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dad to sing with me on an album
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I did a few years ago and
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actually did a bluegrass album,
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growing up in Kentucky.
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That's the music I grew up
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hearing when I was a little boy.
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My dad played bluegrass and folk
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music on the weekends.
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And then when he gave his life
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to Christ, he began to lead
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worship and he was the choir
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director.
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We didn't have worship leaders
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back then, you know.
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It was the minister of music at
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our church.
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And we sang together as a
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family.
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We would take guitars 'cause he
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played guitar and he taught me
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everything I know on the guitar.
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And my brother played bass.
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Played upright bass.
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And my mom shook a tambourine
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and we sang together in church.
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And we would go to church in our
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little VW Beetle, you know, and
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my brother and his bass would be
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sticking out the window.
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I mean, we all literally,
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2 guitars, an upright bass, and
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all four of us in our little
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Volkswagen.
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- Tom: And you described the
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outfits you and your brother
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wore.
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- Steven: Oh yeah, we were
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sharp.
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We had the matching--it was--we
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were--if anybody here's old
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enough to remember or watching
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you know, and the Osmond
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Brothers.
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Remember those?
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Okay, okay, the denim outfits,
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the, you know, denim with the
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white patent leather shoes,
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that?
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We had that, those outfits.
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- Tom: You and Herbie?
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- Steven: Pretty much, yeah,
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Herbie and me, we got some very
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incriminating photos of us back
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in those days.
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But, yeah.
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- Tom: That's awesome.
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- Steven: Mom thought we were
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cute.
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- Tom: Well, you also talked a
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lot about your baseball career.
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- Steven: Yeah, we'd rather not
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talk about that.
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I do talk a little bit about
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my--yes, my--I was the
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strike-out king.
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I think I set a record for most
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strike-outs of any little
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leaguer that ever played the
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game.
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But, again, amazing kind of
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looking back which is part of
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gift, even for me to look back,
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you know, and watch how
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God--that's the amazing thing
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about, you know, when we really
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see God writing our stories.
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When we really allow him to
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and look for that, you know.
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I see so many amazing ways that
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were, some of 'em, pretty
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devastating, you know, for a
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little guy.
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And really heartbreaking.
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And even some of the ways
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that shaped me to say,
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"I do not wanna fail.
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I'm gonna find something that I
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succeed at and that's the only
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thing I'm gonna do," you know,
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some things that weren't and
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haven't been altogether healthy.
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But even in those to watch how
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God takes, you know, the--how
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many people say, "Our messes
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and makes it our message,"
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you know?
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And God has done that in
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my life.
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- Tom: Well, again, I think,
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you know, the book, "Between
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Heaven & the Real World," I
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think what Steven, what you've
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done in that book, is I think
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you shown how you were shaped
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but more importantly you let us
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know how we're all shaped
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in that.
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And I think that really speaks
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to us.
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And I think that, you know,
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he's faithful.
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- Steven: Yeah, absolutely.
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And that is the--that's
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the bottom line of all of it.
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That's every page, my prayer
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was, "God, let it be.
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Your faithfulness in my story
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from a little boy and all the,
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you know, good and bad and ugly
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of--and my parents were--I honor
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them.
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If they see this show, they know
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how important it was for me.
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The two words God gave me
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was honesty.
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Be honest and share
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in their stories.
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People are gonna need to hear
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that.
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They're gonna need to know that.
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Even when it's kind of hard and
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painful, share it honestly and
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trust me with that.
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And then, honor.
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Honor your parents.
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Honor what I've done in your
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life through even all of that.
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And God has just been--he's been
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faithful.
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He has been faithful every step
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of the way.
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And I've sung a lot of songs
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about that.
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I have written a lot of songs
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about it.
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I've been asked through
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the years many times,
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"What's your favorite song?"
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And that's kind of impossible
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'cause I've written hundreds of
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them now and they all are
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favorites for different reasons.
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But I've always answered it this
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way and, with your permission,
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I'm gonna sing this song because
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had enough breath in my lungs to
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sing one song left, if I had
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just enough, you know, oxygen,
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it's like, all right, you get
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one more song, of all of the
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ones that I've written what
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would it be?
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And this is always the song that
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comes to mind.
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This is a song I recorded on my
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first album.
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And wrote it with a very dear
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friend of mine but I re-recorded
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this on the album I mentioned
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earlier with my dad and my
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brother singing with me which
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was pretty special to get to
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celebrate God's faithfulness
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even with them, with this song.
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This is, "My Redeemer is
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Faithful and True."
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As I look back on this road
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I've traveled, I see
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so many times he's carried
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me through; and if there's
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one thing that I've learned
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in my life, my Redeemer
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is faithful and true.
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My Redeemer is faithful
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and true.
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And everything he has said
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he will do and every morning
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his mercies are new.
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My Redeemer
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is faithful and true.
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And my heart rejoices
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when I read the promise
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"There's a place that
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I'm preparing for you."
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And I know someday I'll
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see my Lord face to face,
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'cause my Redeemer
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is faithful and true.
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And my Redeemer
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is faithful and true.
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And everything he has said
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he will do and every morning
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his mercies are new.
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My Redeemer is faithful
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and true.
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And in every situation he
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has proved his love for me;
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when I lack the
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understanding, he gives
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more grace to me.
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My Redeemer is faithful
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and true.
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And everything he has said
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he will do and every morning
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his mercies are new.
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My Redeemer is faithful
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and true.
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and true.
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[music]
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- Tom: My guest,
00:25:00.140 --> 00:25:03.140
Steven Curtis Chapman.
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We're speaking about
00:25:05.190 --> 00:25:06.220
his brand new book, "Between
00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:07.270
Heaven & the Real World."
00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:09.280
It's available.
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You're able to call
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in right now.
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There's a number on the bottom
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of your screen.
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You can call in and we'll send
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that to you for your gift of
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any amount.
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Steven, thank you so much
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for coming and sharing
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what's going on.
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This is significant.
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It's really a time.
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And one of the things that you
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spend quite a bit of time
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with and when I asked you
00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:28.210
the question, "How far can we
00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:30.180
go on these things," you know,
00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:32.160
it was--you talk a lot about
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your marriage.
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You talk a lot about struggles
00:25:34.280 --> 00:25:37.090
through the years.
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There's actually a point
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in there where you bust up
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a plaster wall.
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- Steven: Thanks for bringing
00:25:44.260 --> 00:25:46.010
that up.
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- Tom: Yeah, well, that's why
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.190
I asked.
00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:49.160
- Steven: Yes, yeah.
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:50.230
- Tom: But, you know, it's, I
00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:52.000
think a lot of us don't realize
00:25:52.110 --> 00:25:55.110
that we see people like you and
00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:57.010
we say, "My goodness,
00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:58.000
what a perfect life."
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Talk to us just
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a little bit about that.
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.250
About you and Mary Beth,
00:26:01.250 --> 00:26:02.240
how you guys met.
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.190
I know that there's a great
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history there, Steven.
00:26:04.100 --> 00:26:06.140
Talk just a little bit about
00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:07.040
this.
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- Steven: Well, I met my wife
00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.170
in Anderson, Indiana.
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Anderson University, little
00:26:12.110 --> 00:26:13.260
school that we both ended up
00:26:13.260 --> 00:26:15.190
at by God's design.
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.000
And I went to my mailbox.
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.130
There was mail in there to a
00:26:20.130 --> 00:26:22.100
Mary Beth Chapman and I thought,
00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:23.270
"Well, this is interesting,"
00:26:23.270 --> 00:26:25.060
'cause I'd always shared
00:26:25.060 --> 00:26:25.290
a mailbox with my brother.
00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:27.080
My brother Herbie was there
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as well.
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And so we were always
00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:29.160
alphabetically, you know,
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.200
together but this year a new
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between us, alphabetically,
00:26:34.290 --> 00:26:36.190
and it was Mary Beth.
00:26:36.190 --> 00:26:38.100
And I didn't meet her for
00:26:38.100 --> 00:26:40.260
several days and I was walking
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into the cafeteria with a buddy
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and she was walking out and we
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.220
walked past and I saw this just
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.000
vision of beauty walking out
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.010
the, you know, out of
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the cafeteria.
00:26:52.270 --> 00:26:54.010
And my friend spoke to her
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and said, "Hey, Mary Beth."
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And she spoke back and
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kept walking.
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And I said, "Who was that?"
00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:01.040
And he said,
00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:01.210
"That's Mary Beth Chapman."
00:27:01.210 --> 00:27:03.000
And I said, "That's
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.270
who I share a mailbox with?
00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:05.110
Are you kidding me?"
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And so we met.
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I tell the story in the book,
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:09.260
a quite humorous story of how I
00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:11.280
first met her and ran out to try
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to catch her as I had friends
00:27:14.110 --> 00:27:15.260
all on the lookout for when she
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was coming across campus and
00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:18.100
then they called the phone at
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the end of the hallway 'cause,
00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:21.080
you know, no cell phones back in
00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:22.110
the day.
00:27:22.110 --> 00:27:23.050
We barely had electricity then
00:27:23.050 --> 00:27:24.080
and it was--see, they had a
00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:25.240
phone--one phone at the end of
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the hall and they'd, "Chapman,
00:27:26.290 --> 00:27:28.070
it's a phone call for you," and,
00:27:28.070 --> 00:27:29.060
you know, I'd go and they'd say,
00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:30.100
"Mary Beth Chapman, 12 o'clock,"
00:27:30.100 --> 00:27:31.290
you know, "coming by your dorm
00:27:31.290 --> 00:27:33.000
in about 2 minutes."
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So I ran out
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to meet her and invited her,
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.200
you know, I asked her if we
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.020
could have lunch together and we
00:27:40.020 --> 00:27:41.280
had several lunches in the
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cafeteria and then I decided it
00:27:43.020 --> 00:27:44.110
was time to show her what kind
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of a big spender she was dealing
00:27:45.250 --> 00:27:47.090
with, what kind of man she had
00:27:47.090 --> 00:27:48.210
here.
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So I went all out and we went to
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Red Lobster 'cause, you know,
00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:54.140
nothing, you know, nothing like
00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:55.290
those cheese biscuits to just,
00:27:55.290 --> 00:27:57.290
you know, put love in the air.
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So that's where our journey
00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.090
began there at Anderson.
00:28:02.090 --> 00:28:03.270
And it was, you know, we began
00:28:03.270 --> 00:28:05.110
our journey, of course, like
00:28:05.110 --> 00:28:06.260
many, thinking, I mean, we
00:28:06.260 --> 00:28:08.150
just--we couldn't, you know, we
00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:09.240
talked all the time.
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.270
We just had so much--we wanted
00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:11.270
to know everything there was to
00:28:11.270 --> 00:28:13.010
know about each other.
00:28:13.010 --> 00:28:14.050
Right in the beginning we just
00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:15.160
asked God to come, be right in
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.020
the middle of our relationship
00:28:17.020 --> 00:28:18.030
and everything.
00:28:18.030 --> 00:28:19.210
And yet about, you know, we got
00:28:20.020 --> 00:28:23.020
married thinking, "This is
00:28:23.020 --> 00:28:24.080
almost gonna be unfair, how easy
00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:25.170
this is.
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We're so meant for each other.
00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:27.180
We're so perfect
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.150
for each other."
00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:29.070
And that lasted about
00:28:29.070 --> 00:28:30.230
2 hours into our marriage.
00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:33.110
And then we began to hit the
00:28:33.110 --> 00:28:35.090
very strong, you know, reality
00:28:35.090 --> 00:28:37.290
of that we were both very
00:28:37.290 --> 00:28:40.240
broken.
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.040
We both brought--I brought this,
00:28:42.040 --> 00:28:43.290
"I'm gonna fix everything that's
00:28:43.290 --> 00:28:45.140
broken, including my wife," you
00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:47.260
know, in all those broken places
00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:48.250
in her, you know, that I'm
00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:50.020
seeing now.
00:28:50.020 --> 00:28:51.090
And so that's my job and, you
00:28:51.090 --> 00:28:53.270
know, she--so many things in
00:28:53.270 --> 00:28:56.080
those early days that I just
00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:58.050
could not have done more wrong
00:28:58.050 --> 00:28:59.090
and she has been, was,
00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:02.160
so forgiving.
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.110
And she has done a few wrong
00:29:04.110 --> 00:29:06.220
things herself, by her own
00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:08.060
admission in the process.
00:29:08.060 --> 00:29:09.220
And we both just came in very
00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:11.000
broken, very needy, and I do
00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:14.280
share a lot of that because I
00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:16.010
think, again, one of the things
00:29:16.010 --> 00:29:17.080
to people, you know,
00:29:19.280 --> 00:29:21.050
I've written a lot of songs,
00:29:21.050 --> 00:29:22.140
I've sung a lot of songs.
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.100
In fact, I was asked tonight,
00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:24.200
"Are you gonna sing that song
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.200
you wrote for Mary Beth,
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.180
'I Will Be Here'?"
00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:27.230
Probably one of my--arguably
00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:29.100
one of my best-known songs,
00:29:29.100 --> 00:29:31.050
you know, around the world.
00:29:31.050 --> 00:29:33.270
I go other places and people
00:29:33.270 --> 00:29:35.000
say, "Sing that," you know,
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:35.260
"that 'I Will Be Here' song.
00:29:35.260 --> 00:29:36.290
In Philippines, it was like
00:29:36.290 --> 00:29:38.040
a huge pop hit from
00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:39.140
an artist there.
00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:40.190
That song has gone a lot of
00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:42.080
places and that song was
00:29:42.080 --> 00:29:43.250
written, as I share in my story
00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:46.090
in the book out of my parents'
00:29:46.090 --> 00:29:47.210
divorce after being such an
00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:49.230
influence in my life and so much
00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.080
of their faith being what we
00:29:51.080 --> 00:29:53.060
were building our journey on.
00:29:53.060 --> 00:29:54.100
- Tom: The line you talked
00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:55.000
about, "Divorce is not an
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:55.270
option."
00:29:55.270 --> 00:29:56.170
- Steven: Yeah, yeah.
00:29:56.170 --> 00:29:57.160
- Tom: How that shook you.
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:58.150
- Steven: Yeah, and again,
00:29:58.150 --> 00:29:59.220
I couldn't fix this.
00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.230
I had to--I was supposed to fix
00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:02.000
my parents, you know,
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.250
their marriage and now it was
00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:05.000
crumbling and I was married to
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.110
Mary Beth at this time and it
00:30:06.110 --> 00:30:07.260
was really for us, you know, one
00:30:07.260 --> 00:30:09.170
of those moments to say,
00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:11.030
"Okay, just saying the words,
00:30:11.030 --> 00:30:12.080
you know, is not enough.
00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:13.290
Just saying, 'Divorce is not an
00:30:13.290 --> 00:30:15.060
option,'" 'cause that's what my
00:30:15.060 --> 00:30:16.080
parents said for many years
00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:17.120
and now they're walking
00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:18.250
through this.
00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:19.130
And that began our journey of
00:30:19.130 --> 00:30:21.040
going even deeper into our
00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:22.050
brokenness and inviting counsel
00:30:22.050 --> 00:30:24.130
and counselors into that and
00:30:24.130 --> 00:30:26.030
so it has been an amazing,
00:30:26.030 --> 00:30:28.290
glorious, painful journey
00:30:29.290 --> 00:30:32.290
but God is faithful.
00:30:32.290 --> 00:30:34.160
It's why I'm still getting to
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:35.260
sing those songs.
00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:36.190
- Tom: What I wanna do is I
00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.130
wanna take 'em back to Paducah,
00:30:37.130 --> 00:30:38.260
Kentucky, and we're gonna take
00:30:38.260 --> 00:30:40.000
'em to the proposal.
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.090
We wanna do that but I wanna
00:30:41.090 --> 00:30:42.200
just bait this just a little bit
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:43.290
and say that after we come back
00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:45.150
from that, I want you to talk
00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:46.160
just a little bit about not only
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.040
Red Lobster but the blue speedo.
00:30:48.040 --> 00:30:51.020
- Steven: Oh boy!
00:30:51.020 --> 00:30:51.260
We're gonna do that, all right.
00:30:51.260 --> 00:30:52.250
- Tom: Let's watch
00:30:52.250 --> 00:30:53.140
- Tom: Let's watch
00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:55.190
I, I will be here.
00:30:58.180 --> 00:31:01.200
- Steven: I brought this
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.090
beautiful young lady out to this
00:31:02.090 --> 00:31:05.000
very spot, sat her up on this
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.220
little stone right here and I
00:31:07.250 --> 00:31:10.250
was standing here in front of
00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:12.130
her and I was talking to her and
00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:14.120
my heart was going, brrrrr.
00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:17.000
And she felt it, actually.
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.070
She said she put her hands on my
00:31:18.070 --> 00:31:19.080
chest and felt my heart beating,
00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:21.190
and was, like, "You okay?"
00:31:21.190 --> 00:31:23.080
And I said, "Yeah."
00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:26.130
I said,
00:31:26.130 --> 00:31:27.190
"But would you marry me?"
00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:31.020
Big tears began to form in her
00:31:31.020 --> 00:31:32.190
eyes and she started to cry and
00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:35.010
I pulled this little box out of
00:31:35.010 --> 00:31:36.190
my pocket.
00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:37.220
She sat here and she just held
00:31:37.220 --> 00:31:39.030
this little box and cried for
00:31:39.030 --> 00:31:40.280
about 5 minutes.
00:31:40.280 --> 00:31:42.080
And I finally said, "Like, you
00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:43.280
gonna open it and look at it or
00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:45.220
give me an answer or something
00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:47.020
here?"
00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:48.010
And so she gave me a big hug
00:31:48.010 --> 00:31:50.150
and said, "Yes," and that was
00:31:50.150 --> 00:31:52.110
the beginning of truly a great
00:31:53.230 --> 00:31:56.230
adventure in my life.
00:31:56.270 --> 00:31:59.270
Tomorrow morning
00:31:59.270 --> 00:32:01.110
if you wake up
00:32:01.110 --> 00:32:03.200
and the future isn't clear
00:32:05.080 --> 00:32:08.080
I, I will be here.
00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:15.120
Just as sure as the seasons
00:32:16.010 --> 00:32:19.010
- Steven: So one great
00:32:19.010 --> 00:32:20.000
challenge of the incredible
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.040
opportunity and platform that
00:32:21.040 --> 00:32:22.250
I've experienced and enjoyed for
00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:24.230
the last 10 years has been that
00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:26.260
of saying with my mouth and
00:32:27.020 --> 00:32:30.020
knowing in my heart that my
00:32:30.020 --> 00:32:31.250
priorities are my relationship
00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:33.040
with God, number one.
00:32:33.040 --> 00:32:34.270
And then secondly, my
00:32:34.270 --> 00:32:35.290
relationship with my family,
00:32:35.290 --> 00:32:37.200
my ministry to them as a father,
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.150
as a husband.
00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:40.170
And if I'm not doing that
00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:42.000
ministry to the glory of God,
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.120
then I can scratch
00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:45.220
the rest of it.
00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:46.200
And I will be here to
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.150
watch you grow in beauty.
00:32:50.070 --> 00:32:53.070
Tell you all the things
00:32:53.070 --> 00:32:55.180
- Steven: And 10 years later, I
00:32:55.180 --> 00:32:57.120
sit here, talking to you, having
00:32:57.120 --> 00:32:59.040
just finished up one of those
00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:01.000
"discussions" with my wife this
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.040
morning, one of those painful,
00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:05.190
tearful conversations about this
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.160
seems like too much and how do
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.280
I shut it off and God,
00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:13.030
what would you have us do?
00:33:13.030 --> 00:33:14.200
And again, on our knees
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.190
together, saying, "God, show us
00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:17.230
how to walk this road for your
00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.280
glory and to love each other
00:33:19.280 --> 00:33:21.260
glory and to love each other
00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:24.000
I, I will be here.
00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:36.060
- Steven: The greatest
00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:37.010
challenge with what I do is
00:33:37.030 --> 00:33:40.030
knowing at the end of the day my
00:33:40.030 --> 00:33:42.090
family really knows and my wife
00:33:42.090 --> 00:33:44.060
really knows that she is more
00:33:44.060 --> 00:33:45.270
precious to me than my career.
00:33:45.270 --> 00:33:48.090
And to be able to get to the end
00:33:48.090 --> 00:33:49.140
of my life and to be able to
00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:51.250
have my family and my wife say,
00:33:51.250 --> 00:33:54.190
"We saw this guy really walk
00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:56.110
through this thing that he did
00:33:56.230 --> 00:33:59.230
and we knew that we were
00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.160
important, that we were
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.220
his priority.
00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:05.090
We knew that we were precious
00:34:05.090 --> 00:34:07.050
treasures to him."
00:34:07.050 --> 00:34:09.150
treasures to him."
00:34:09.150 --> 00:34:13.270
[music]
00:34:13.290 --> 00:34:19.270
- Tom: Well, she said, "Yes."
00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:28.110
- Steven: She did, yes,
00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:29.270
thankfully.
00:34:29.270 --> 00:34:30.270
- Tom: My guest,
00:34:30.270 --> 00:34:31.220
Steven Curtis Chapman.
00:34:31.220 --> 00:34:32.180
The book, "Between Heaven &
00:34:32.180 --> 00:34:34.090
the Real World," available.
00:34:34.090 --> 00:34:36.050
We will gladly get that book on
00:34:36.050 --> 00:34:37.230
its way to you for your gift
00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:38.290
of any amount.
00:34:38.290 --> 00:34:40.030
Steven, she said, "Yes."
00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:42.240
And then it continued
00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:44.210
to just get glorious from there?
00:34:44.210 --> 00:34:46.140
- Steven: Yes, it did.
00:34:46.140 --> 00:34:47.160
Just wonderful and glorious.
00:34:47.160 --> 00:34:50.130
No, it pretty quickly, you know,
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.280
began to--we began to realize,
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.060
"This is gonna be a lot harder
00:34:58.060 --> 00:34:59.190
than we imagined."
00:34:59.190 --> 00:35:01.120
That we, you know,
00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:04.000
we're a lot more broken
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.180
and that we're both really
00:35:05.230 --> 00:35:08.230
stubborn and very hard-headed.
00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:11.080
And you know, as I shared
00:35:11.090 --> 00:35:14.090
a little bit before, you know,
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.090
when we watched that clip,
00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:16.200
you know, the song, "I Will Be
00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:17.260
Here," you know, really came
00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:19.290
from a moment I think much like
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:24.130
my parents and growing up, you
00:35:24.130 --> 00:35:26.110
know, in an environment where
00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.000
you just, you know, you said,
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.140
"Hey, where just divorce, you
00:35:30.140 --> 00:35:33.040
know, isn't an option.
00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:34.230
It's not even a word in our
00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:35.200
vocabulary," I heard my parents
00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:36.270
say that many times.
00:35:36.270 --> 00:35:38.050
And then to all of a sudden, and
00:35:38.050 --> 00:35:39.200
literally it was very sudden
00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:41.010
when, you know, their marriage
00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:43.130
began to disintegrate and
00:35:44.040 --> 00:35:47.040
Mary Beth and I began to realize
00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:48.190
'cause I'd been just following
00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:49.290
very much in their footsteps.
00:35:49.290 --> 00:35:51.110
"Well, hey, this is just--I just
00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:52.110
say this and that's pretty much
00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:53.270
gonna take care of it."
00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:55.230
That we began to try to be more,
00:35:55.230 --> 00:35:58.020
I think, in a way, honest about
00:35:58.020 --> 00:36:00.290
really our brokenness and
00:36:00.290 --> 00:36:03.080
realize that, wait a minute,
00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:04.240
there is an enemy who is
00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:06.270
absolutely out to destroy
00:36:06.270 --> 00:36:08.100
every marriage.
00:36:08.100 --> 00:36:10.190
There's nothing, you know, that,
00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:12.020
I mean, this enemy hates
00:36:12.020 --> 00:36:13.180
anything and everything that
00:36:13.180 --> 00:36:15.050
reflects the glory and
00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:16.140
the beauty and the goodness of
00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:18.110
God's heart.
00:36:18.110 --> 00:36:19.010
That shows that to the world.
00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:21.120
And nothing does that more than
00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:23.030
marriage, more than, you know,
00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.150
a family.
00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:26.160
God created it even to give us
00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:28.140
the most tangible expression
00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:30.170
of our relationship to Christ,
00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:32.160
the bride of Christ and so, of
00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:34.280
course, that's gonna be attacked
00:36:34.290 --> 00:36:37.290
at every angle and the more we
00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:41.010
began to be honest about that
00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.080
and really acknowledge it as
00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:45.270
such, and then in that journey,
00:36:45.270 --> 00:36:48.220
as I share again in the book,
00:36:48.220 --> 00:36:50.290
you know, there was a point and
00:36:50.290 --> 00:36:53.050
Mary Beth, my beautiful brave
00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:55.220
just warrior of a wife who wrote
00:36:57.020 --> 00:37:00.040
her story and shared it in a
00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:01.170
book called, "Choosing to See,"
00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:03.080
that so many have been impacted
00:37:03.080 --> 00:37:05.100
by her story.
00:37:05.100 --> 00:37:07.190
And she shared very honestly of
00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:09.190
her own journey and her own
00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:11.050
brokenness.
00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:12.060
- Tom: It's so fresh to resortá
00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:13.050
to that.
00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:14.030
- Steven: Yeah, very much.
00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:14.260
And even her own journey of
00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:15.160
coming to the realization that
00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.230
she was struggling with
00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:18.200
clinical depression and the part
00:37:18.200 --> 00:37:20.270
that that began to play.
00:37:20.270 --> 00:37:22.100
Here I am on this career
00:37:22.100 --> 00:37:23.120
trajectory that begins to take
00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:24.240
from home.
00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:29.020
She's at home with three little
00:37:29.020 --> 00:37:30.110
ones, I'm beginning to, you
00:37:30.110 --> 00:37:32.150
know, have all these wonderful
00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:33.190
opportunities and yet, as you
00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:34.280
heard in that, you know, from
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.120
the very beginning I knew my
00:37:36.120 --> 00:37:37.190
greatest calling was to my
00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:38.270
family and my wife.
00:37:38.270 --> 00:37:39.220
And yet I'm not able to fix
00:37:39.220 --> 00:37:42.170
this.
00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:43.100
And--
00:37:43.100 --> 00:37:44.090
- Tom: Steven, I think a lot of
00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:45.030
us struggle with our career, the
00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:48.190
demands on them and family and
00:37:48.190 --> 00:37:50.200
family time.
00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:51.220
And I think it's easy to feel
00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:53.160
like we've failed.
00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:55.030
I, you know, I remember a part
00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:57.220
in your book about, I think it
00:37:57.220 --> 00:37:59.080
was "The Great Adventure" album
00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:00.130
was getting ready to come out
00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:01.290
and Mary Beth was having
00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:04.090
stomach problems.
00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:06.070
Didn't know what was going on,
00:38:06.070 --> 00:38:07.120
felt like she was gonna die,
00:38:07.120 --> 00:38:08.190
literally.
00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:09.100
Felt like she was gonna die.
00:38:09.100 --> 00:38:10.220
Would you talk about that just a
00:38:10.220 --> 00:38:11.260
moment and what happened because
00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.180
when she rejoined you in Dallas
00:38:13.180 --> 00:38:15.110
a few days later, I mean, I
00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:16.290
literally wept when I was
00:38:16.290 --> 00:38:18.140
reading it in the book, so.
00:38:18.140 --> 00:38:19.210
- Steven: Yeah, well, I was,
00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:20.150
kind of the launching pad of in
00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:24.050
many ways my career with my
00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:26.080
great record label,
00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:27.190
Sparrow Records, you know.
00:38:27.190 --> 00:38:29.180
A lot had been working towards
00:38:29.180 --> 00:38:30.230
this release of this album
00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:32.150
called "The Great Adventure."
00:38:32.150 --> 00:38:33.290
And some people will remember
00:38:33.290 --> 00:38:34.280
that.
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.210
That was really in many ways
00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:37.160
when things really kinda went
00:38:37.160 --> 00:38:39.050
into high gear with my career.
00:38:39.050 --> 00:38:40.270
We had a huge concert planned at
00:38:40.270 --> 00:38:43.050
Reunion Auditorium in Dallas,
00:38:43.050 --> 00:38:45.190
Texas, which is the biggest by
00:38:45.190 --> 00:38:47.090
It was gonna be a packed arena,
00:38:49.140 --> 00:38:51.010
full of people.
00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:52.040
- Tom: You were videoing it
00:38:52.040 --> 00:38:52.240
too.
00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:53.110
Weren't you taping that time?
00:38:53.110 --> 00:38:54.020
- Steven: Yeah, we were taping.
00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:55.000
It was all the Christian
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.040
booksellers from all over the
00:38:56.040 --> 00:38:57.260
country were all gathered there.
00:38:57.260 --> 00:38:59.150
It was CBA, as we know Christian
00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:01.000
Booksellers Association,
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.110
so thousands of them there.
00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:03.200
Everything hinging on this, you
00:39:03.200 --> 00:39:05.110
know, and so I'd gone in 4 or 5
00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:07.060
days ahead of time to rehearse
00:39:07.060 --> 00:39:08.210
and get ready for this.
00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:09.290
And this was right around
00:39:09.290 --> 00:39:12.090
the time, again, that, you know,
00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:14.210
Mary Beth had begun to really
00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:16.030
realize that there was something
00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:17.130
more than just, you know, the
00:39:17.130 --> 00:39:18.260
sadness and the loneliness but
00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:20.230
there was, you know, some things
00:39:20.230 --> 00:39:22.000
that were involved in this that
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.220
were, you know, chemically
00:39:23.220 --> 00:39:25.140
going on.
00:39:25.140 --> 00:39:26.210
And so we were trying to address
00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.100
that and I was there doing this
00:39:29.040 --> 00:39:32.040
rehearsal for this big concert
00:39:32.040 --> 00:39:34.060
and I get a call from Mary Beth
00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:37.000
in the middle of the night
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:37.290
just saying, "I'm on my way to
00:39:37.290 --> 00:39:39.090
the emergency room.
00:39:39.090 --> 00:39:40.090
I don't know what's going on but
00:39:40.090 --> 00:39:41.030
I'm--I feel like I'm dying.
00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.010
And my--" fortunately, her
00:39:43.010 --> 00:39:44.160
mother and her mom and dad,
00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:46.170
amazing people, were visiting,
00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:48.150
were staying with her for a few
00:39:48.150 --> 00:39:50.100
days.
00:39:50.100 --> 00:39:50.280
Rushed her to the hospital.
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:51.280
She ended up having her gall
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.280
bladder removed and so it was,
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.000
you know, not nearly as
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.170
life-threatening as it seemed at
00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.200
the time but, you know, that
00:40:00.200 --> 00:40:02.050
everybody, you know, has
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.130
experienced those kind of things
00:40:06.130 --> 00:40:08.010
but when you're in the middle of
00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:09.150
it, I'm thinking, "Should I go
00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:10.130
home?
00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:11.030
What am I doing here?
00:40:11.030 --> 00:40:11.280
Why am I--God, you know, I'm--I
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.120
really want this to be for your
00:40:13.120 --> 00:40:15.090
glory and about you but my first
00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:16.260
commitment is to my wife.
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:18.170
I need to just leave this.
00:40:18.170 --> 00:40:19.210
Whatever happens, if it
00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.020
crumbles, you know, and record
00:40:21.020 --> 00:40:22.120
labels and all of the dollars
00:40:22.120 --> 00:40:23.150
that they've spent on all this,
00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:24.270
just forget it.
00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:26.190
I've gotta go, love my wife."
00:40:26.190 --> 00:40:28.140
- Tom: Were you--did you mean
00:40:28.140 --> 00:40:29.060
that when you said that?
00:40:29.060 --> 00:40:30.020
Did you really feel like you
00:40:30.020 --> 00:40:31.020
could--you would have walked
00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:31.260
away from that?
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:32.180
- Steven: I did.
00:40:32.180 --> 00:40:33.230
I absolutely, before God.
00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:35.170
God knows my heart and many
00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:36.210
times I questioned it.
00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:37.210
I go, "Well, did I mean it?"
00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:39.030
'Cause I called and said,
00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:40.060
"I'm coming home."
00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:40.240
And my wife insisted that
00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:41.290
I didn't.
00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:42.200
She said, "No, you stay there.
00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:44.000
I got my mom here.
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.010
God's gonna, you know, take care
00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:46.130
of me."
00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:47.000
And that amazing woman--
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.150
- Tom: But then she came--
00:40:48.150 --> 00:40:49.060
- Steven: Three days later,
00:40:49.060 --> 00:40:52.040
yeah, came very slowly walking
00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:55.110
into the Reunion Arena to say,
00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:57.240
you know, "I'm here and
00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:00.180
I'm gonna cheer you on."
00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:02.160
And she had a videotape
00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:04.110
in her hand, back in
00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.020
the VHS days, and said, "Hey,
00:41:06.020 --> 00:41:07.200
they videotaped my surgery.
00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:09.190
You wanna see my gallbladder?"
00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:11.060
And so we sat down and watched.
00:41:11.060 --> 00:41:12.120
And that is the amazing,
00:41:12.120 --> 00:41:15.070
incredible woman.
00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:17.010
And that is also the reason and
00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:18.200
I'll try to get through this.
00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:21.040
Those are the reasons why,
00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:23.160
you know, because of that
00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:25.130
determination to say, "We, by
00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:28.100
God's grace, we will walk this
00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:30.220
journey out and love each other
00:41:30.220 --> 00:41:33.210
and walk it out hand in hand
00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:36.230
with battle scars and, you know,
00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:40.240
surgery scars and everything
00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:42.190
else, to his glory,
00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:44.140
only by his grace."
00:41:44.140 --> 00:41:46.270
And I say that and the emotion
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.280
in that is because I
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.280
know that there are many people
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.190
that are watching and thinking,
00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:56.140
you know, "You don't know
00:41:56.140 --> 00:41:58.170
how hard it is.
00:41:58.170 --> 00:42:01.060
You don't know how lonely
00:42:01.060 --> 00:42:02.140
I feel.
00:42:02.140 --> 00:42:03.060
You don't know, you know, how
00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:05.060
broken we are, our marriage is."
00:42:05.150 --> 00:42:08.150
And I'm sitting here as one
00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:12.100
who you might look at from
00:42:12.100 --> 00:42:14.090
a distance and it's a lot of
00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:15.080
the reason why I tell my story
00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:17.200
in the book because you might be
00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:18.160
able to say, "Well, if I had the
00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.240
marriage he had, if we just had
00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:21.250
what they have, if I could write
00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:23.150
songs, my husband could write
00:42:23.150 --> 00:42:24.280
songs for me, I've
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.110
had--unfortunately, women have
00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:28.060
said that to my wife.
00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:29.140
"If I just had a husband like
00:42:29.140 --> 00:42:30.130
your husband, who would write
00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:31.190
songs for me," and my wife said,
00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.270
"Well, you want him?
00:42:32.270 --> 00:42:33.230
I'll give him to you right now.
00:42:33.230 --> 00:42:36.010
I'll trade."
00:42:36.010 --> 00:42:37.030
'Cause those moments.
00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:38.250
But we have experienced
00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:41.260
that ache and that brokenness.
00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:45.070
I mean, laying beside each other
00:42:45.070 --> 00:42:47.190
in the bed feeling like we are
00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:49.120
1.000 miles apart, like,
00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:51.220
there's no way that we're gonna
00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:54.020
survive this.
00:42:54.020 --> 00:42:56.010
And especially in--even in
00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:57.200
the more recent years as we walk
00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:59.290
through very dark, dark days.
00:42:59.290 --> 00:43:02.010
But I'm sitting here,
00:43:02.010 --> 00:43:04.060
sharing my story because God
00:43:04.060 --> 00:43:06.180
has been faithful.
00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:08.070
He is medicine and he will meet
00:43:08.070 --> 00:43:10.070
every one of us in time.
00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:11.190
- Tom: Steven, I'm grateful.
00:43:11.190 --> 00:43:13.190
[audience applauding]
00:43:16.090 --> 00:43:19.090
How many years have
00:43:19.090 --> 00:43:20.010
you been married?
00:43:20.010 --> 00:43:20.290
- Steven: Thirty-two.
00:43:20.290 --> 00:43:21.270
- Tom: Thirty-two.
00:43:21.270 --> 00:43:22.200
I hit 40 this year.
00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:23.260
- Steven: Yes, way to go.
00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.060
do this.
00:43:28.070 --> 00:43:29.190
In that part of the book, you
00:43:29.190 --> 00:43:32.070
talk about how she actually
00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:35.010
collapses and just starts
00:43:35.030 --> 00:43:38.030
to cry.
00:43:38.030 --> 00:43:38.240
And you ended up picking her up
00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:40.100
and carrying her as she cried.
00:43:40.100 --> 00:43:42.270
And you're getting ready to
00:43:42.270 --> 00:43:43.240
leave on tour again and how
00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:45.140
broken that was but before
00:43:45.140 --> 00:43:47.060
you come out of this,
00:43:47.060 --> 00:43:48.190
I want you to do this.
00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:49.210
There is a lot of people that
00:43:49.210 --> 00:43:50.200
have been touched by what you
00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:51.230
just shared about the marriage
00:43:51.230 --> 00:43:52.200
and they're sitting there
00:43:52.200 --> 00:43:53.120
saying, "My marriage is
00:43:53.120 --> 00:43:54.190
a disaster.
00:43:54.190 --> 00:43:55.230
I don't know how to
00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.060
continue this."
00:43:57.060 --> 00:43:57.240
Would you just take a moment
00:43:57.240 --> 00:43:59.190
and just pray for those people?
00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:01.090
Just pray for 'em right now.
00:44:01.090 --> 00:44:02.170
- Steven: Yes, yeah, I would
00:44:02.170 --> 00:44:03.290
love to.
00:44:03.290 --> 00:44:05.000
Let me just--let me just pray
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.140
for you.
00:44:06.140 --> 00:44:08.150
- Tom: Thank you, Jesus.
00:44:08.150 --> 00:44:11.120
- Steven: Father, first of all
00:44:12.140 --> 00:44:15.140
thank you that you are near
00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:17.180
to the broken-hearted.
00:44:19.270 --> 00:44:22.270
So if there is anyone watching
00:44:22.270 --> 00:44:25.110
that is broken and their
00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:30.080
heart's broken then, God,
00:44:30.080 --> 00:44:32.100
you are right there.
00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:34.220
Right now, you're with them.
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.280
You're beside them.
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.100
You're near.
00:44:39.100 --> 00:44:40.050
You promised that,
00:44:40.050 --> 00:44:41.040
that you would be near
00:44:41.040 --> 00:44:42.080
to the broken-hearted.
00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:45.030
God, there is nothing we know
00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:49.240
in this life as we know it right
00:44:50.200 --> 00:44:53.200
now, this side of heaven, that
00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.120
reflects more of your beauty and
00:44:56.120 --> 00:44:58.140
your glory than marriage.
00:44:58.140 --> 00:45:01.150
And it is attacked in so many
00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:05.140
ways on so many levels.
00:45:05.160 --> 00:45:08.160
And so, God, right now I pray
00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:11.190
for friends of mine who might be
00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:14.010
watching that are just
00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:16.120
wondering if there's any hope
00:45:16.120 --> 00:45:18.160
for them, that are feeling very
00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:20.130
hopeless.
00:45:20.130 --> 00:45:22.120
God, I know you and I know how
00:45:22.120 --> 00:45:25.010
much I felt that, how much my
00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:28.110
wife and I have felt that.
00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:30.030
And I wouldn't be praying this
00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:32.130
prayer and able to pray this
00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:33.240
prayer apart from your grace,
00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:36.200
all and only by your grace.
00:45:36.200 --> 00:45:38.220
Over and over again, you have
00:45:38.220 --> 00:45:41.190
done what seemed impossible in
00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:44.230
my own life, in my own marriage.
00:45:44.230 --> 00:45:46.210
So I pray for my friends now
00:45:46.210 --> 00:45:47.230
that are watching, that are
00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:48.280
feeling that.
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.000
Pray for your healing,
00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:53.010
comforting presence.
00:45:53.160 --> 00:45:56.160
Peaceful presence to come into
00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:58.220
their heart and give them hope
00:45:58.220 --> 00:46:00.030
that seems so lost, for them
00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:03.070
to know that you are near, that
00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:05.210
you're with them to bring
00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:08.030
healing to marriages, God, even
00:46:08.030 --> 00:46:09.250
through this program, to just
00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:11.140
breathe hope and life back into
00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:13.240
marriages that seemed
00:46:13.240 --> 00:46:15.240
to be lost.
00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.260
And God, I thank you for that.
00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:20.140
I thank you that you're gonna do
00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:21.140
that.
00:46:21.140 --> 00:46:22.030
It's not gonna be easy.
00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:23.030
The road isn't easy after that
00:46:23.030 --> 00:46:24.270
moment.
00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:26.220
But God, you have been faithful,
00:46:26.220 --> 00:46:28.180
you will be faithful.
00:46:28.180 --> 00:46:29.240
So bring healing and hope, Lord,
00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:32.100
to marriages all over the world
00:46:32.190 --> 00:46:35.190
that are right now praying this
00:46:35.190 --> 00:46:37.160
prayer with us.
00:46:37.160 --> 00:46:38.230
We thank you for it.
00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:39.240
Thank you in Jesus' name, amen.
00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:43.200
- Tom: Thanks, Steven.
00:46:45.050 --> 00:46:48.050
We have prayer counselors.
00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:49.230
Just call that--call that number
00:46:49.230 --> 00:46:51.180
on the bottom of your screen for
00:46:51.180 --> 00:46:52.150
prayer right now.
00:46:52.150 --> 00:46:53.100
We wanna pray with you and just
00:46:53.100 --> 00:46:54.200
agree with you for your
00:46:54.200 --> 00:46:55.150
marriage.
00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:56.070
It's worth fighting for.
00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:57.050
Heaven's real.
00:46:57.050 --> 00:46:58.290
The life that we're living for
00:46:58.290 --> 00:47:00.080
Jesus is real.
00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:01.190
And that marriage can be
00:47:01.190 --> 00:47:02.280
something better.
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.080
Do not give up on that.
00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:05.240
Call that number right now and
00:47:05.240 --> 00:47:06.280
let someone pray with you.
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.120
You know, Steven, you've had so
00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:09.290
many amazing highlights in your
00:47:09.290 --> 00:47:12.090
career.
00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:13.120
It's so hard, I mean, 30 years,
00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:15.160
and I mean, you've graced the
00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:17.220
greatest, the biggest, the best
00:47:17.220 --> 00:47:18.270
stages in the world, the best
00:47:18.270 --> 00:47:20.130
recording studios.
00:47:20.130 --> 00:47:22.120
You've been all of 'em.
00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:23.140
In fact, I think the first
00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:25.000
chapter's called,
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.230
"Carnegie Hall, Y'all."
00:47:26.230 --> 00:47:28.140
- Steven: That's right.
00:47:28.140 --> 00:47:29.100
- Tom: And you talk about what
00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:30.200
an amazing experience that was.
00:47:30.200 --> 00:47:32.100
But there's another place that
00:47:32.100 --> 00:47:33.200
you also visited and recorded
00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:35.240
in.
00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:37.210
Abbey Road, let's take a peek at
00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:39.090
that.
00:47:39.090 --> 00:47:40.000
- Steven: Yes!
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.290
- Steven: I think the
00:47:42.290 --> 00:47:44.080
experience here is one that will
00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:46.160
take a few days or weeks or
00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:49.010
months or years to fully
00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:50.210
soak in.
00:47:53.110 --> 00:47:56.110
It was really special to get to
00:47:56.110 --> 00:47:58.050
go to Abbey Road Studios in
00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:59.290
London, England, and do some
00:47:59.290 --> 00:48:02.010
recording there with some of my
00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:03.110
best friends in the world who
00:48:03.110 --> 00:48:04.220
have been a big part of the most
00:48:04.220 --> 00:48:06.080
recent chapter in my musical
00:48:06.080 --> 00:48:07.220
history, the "Signs of Life"
00:48:07.220 --> 00:48:09.090
tour.
00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:12.170
One of the biggest parts
00:48:12.170 --> 00:48:14.040
of growth in my musical
00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:17.090
life in the context of what's
00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:19.160
happened in the last 10 years
00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:21.150
for me was going from the point
00:48:21.150 --> 00:48:23.010
of playing with my guitar in
00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:24.220
back-up tracks with a cassette
00:48:24.220 --> 00:48:26.230
deck to a band, to see some of
00:48:26.260 --> 00:48:29.260
my guys in particular in my band
00:48:29.260 --> 00:48:31.200
just, you know, be like, kissing
00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:33.130
the floor and things, you know?
00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:35.040
It's been pretty cool.
00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:36.180
So I think, just that's probably
00:48:36.180 --> 00:48:37.240
been what's as special to me
00:48:37.240 --> 00:48:39.200
about this experience
00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:40.210
as anything.
00:48:40.210 --> 00:48:42.290
Just getting to experience it
00:48:42.290 --> 00:48:44.020
with my friends.
00:48:44.020 --> 00:48:45.070
And I had flown all day and all
00:48:45.070 --> 00:48:46.210
night and came in and decide,
00:48:46.210 --> 00:48:49.180
"Well, we've got sounds up.
00:48:49.180 --> 00:48:51.090
We kind of like what we're
00:48:51.090 --> 00:48:53.010
hearing.
00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:53.210
Let's go ahead and run through
00:48:53.210 --> 00:48:54.130
something.
00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:55.030
And why don't we roll tape while
00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:56.030
we're at it?"
00:48:56.030 --> 00:48:57.010
And we weren't even planning on
00:48:57.010 --> 00:48:57.230
getting anything.
00:48:57.230 --> 00:48:58.220
We were just gonna go home and
00:48:58.220 --> 00:48:59.190
come back and start the next
00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:00.140
day.
00:49:00.140 --> 00:49:01.100
And before we knew it, we had
00:49:01.100 --> 00:49:02.150
a song down.
00:49:02.150 --> 00:49:03.220
At that point it really--I had
00:49:03.220 --> 00:49:04.290
a sense that this was something
00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:06.110
God had appointed and because it
00:49:06.110 --> 00:49:08.090
really--I'd been a part of too
00:49:08.090 --> 00:49:10.270
many recording sessions and too
00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:12.210
many things in my 10 years that
00:49:12.210 --> 00:49:13.280
haven't gone that well and that
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.240
easily.
00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:18.080
And that you've had to fight
00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:19.050
tooth and nail to get.
00:49:19.050 --> 00:49:20.030
And this one fell into place in
00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:22.100
a way that we all kind were
00:49:22.100 --> 00:49:23.230
looking at each other thinking,
00:49:23.230 --> 00:49:24.290
"Yeah, this is something
00:49:24.290 --> 00:49:26.010
really special."
00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:28.230
Lord of the dance, yeah.
00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:36.040
Lord of the dance, yeah.
00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:38.150
- Tom: I'm here with
00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:42.250
Steven Curtis Chapman.
00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:44.010
We are doing our best to cover
00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:45.150
30 years of an amazing, amazing
00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:48.120
life and career and we're doing
00:49:48.120 --> 00:49:51.030
that and he's covered that very
00:49:51.030 --> 00:49:53.010
well in his new book, "Between
00:49:53.010 --> 00:49:54.070
And I want you to call.
00:49:56.090 --> 00:49:57.130
That book's available right now
00:49:57.130 --> 00:49:58.250
in bookstores everywhere.
00:49:58.250 --> 00:50:00.020
You can call that number on
00:50:00.020 --> 00:50:01.160
the bottom of your screen and we
00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:03.000
will send that book to
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.080
you for your gift of any amount.
00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:05.290
I think it would just be a crime
00:50:05.290 --> 00:50:07.180
if I brought
00:50:07.180 --> 00:50:08.260
Steven Curtis Chapman here and
00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:10.170
he didn't sing for us.
00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:11.250
So Steven, could we ask you to
00:50:11.250 --> 00:50:12.290
do another song for us?
00:50:12.290 --> 00:50:14.030
- Steven: All right, all right,
00:50:14.030 --> 00:50:15.070
yes, yes, I will.
00:50:15.070 --> 00:50:16.050
I will but just a little bit of
00:50:16.050 --> 00:50:17.030
this one, yeah.
00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:17.290
a very appropriate one as we
00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:24.240
were talking about the journey
00:50:24.240 --> 00:50:26.090
because here's the beautiful
00:50:26.090 --> 00:50:27.070
thing about me sharing , you
00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:28.260
know, my 30-year journey of my
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:31.070
career, my 54-year journey of
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:34.260
life, and even in the darkest
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.280
moments as I share about the
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.010
most hopeful reality is to know
00:50:42.040 --> 00:50:45.040
that the story is just so far
00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:46.210
from over.
00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:48.000
We're just in, like, the first,
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.280
you know, page, the first line
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.130
of the first page of the epic
00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:54.180
story that has--God has
00:50:54.180 --> 00:50:55.280
for all of our lives.
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.020
I really believe that.
00:50:57.020 --> 00:50:58.050
More convinced of that now
00:50:58.050 --> 00:50:59.130
than ever, even this far
00:50:59.130 --> 00:51:01.010
into my journey.
00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:02.010
That the story is so far from
00:51:02.010 --> 00:51:03.060
over.
00:51:03.060 --> 00:51:04.040
That God is working all of these
00:51:04.040 --> 00:51:06.100
things together for some thing
00:51:06.100 --> 00:51:07.270
so amazing, for his glory,
00:51:07.270 --> 00:51:09.250
for our good.
00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:10.250
And so songs about journey have
00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:13.220
been songs I've thought a lot
00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:15.090
about and I wrote this one about
00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:17.070
the time we were doing that
00:51:17.070 --> 00:51:18.130
video at Abbey Road and having
00:51:18.130 --> 00:51:20.020
that amazing experience.
00:51:20.020 --> 00:51:21.150
And it's even more special to
00:51:21.150 --> 00:51:23.040
me now.
00:51:23.040 --> 00:51:24.000
me now.
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.230
To all the travelers,
00:51:36.050 --> 00:51:39.050
pilgrims longing for a home,
00:51:41.210 --> 00:51:44.210
from one who's walked
00:51:44.210 --> 00:51:46.250
with you on this journey
00:51:49.130 --> 00:51:52.130
called life's road.
00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:58.120
It is a long
00:51:58.120 --> 00:51:59.230
and winding road.
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.000
From one who's seen the
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.200
view, and dreamt of staying
00:52:08.140 --> 00:52:11.140
on the mountains high and
00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:13.190
one who's cried like you,
00:52:13.270 --> 00:52:16.270
wanting so much just
00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:23.160
to lay down and die.
00:52:27.200 --> 00:52:30.200
I offer this.
00:52:30.200 --> 00:52:33.020
We must remember this.
00:52:33.020 --> 00:52:35.160
We are not home yet,
00:52:37.060 --> 00:52:40.060
we are not home yet.
00:52:41.240 --> 00:52:44.240
So keep on looking ahead,
00:52:44.240 --> 00:52:47.120
let your heart not forget
00:52:47.120 --> 00:52:49.190
we are not home yet,
00:52:51.160 --> 00:52:54.160
we are not home yet.
00:52:56.050 --> 00:52:59.050
So keep on looking ahead,
00:52:59.050 --> 00:53:01.140
let your heart not forget
00:53:01.140 --> 00:53:04.080
we are not home yet.
00:53:05.210 --> 00:53:08.210
Oh, I know there'll
00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:10.020
be a moment,
00:53:10.020 --> 00:53:11.110
I know there'll come a day
00:53:11.110 --> 00:53:13.180
when we will see our Savior
00:53:13.180 --> 00:53:15.270
and fall in his embrace.
00:53:15.270 --> 00:53:18.040
So let us not grow weary
00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:20.170
or too content to stay
00:53:20.170 --> 00:53:22.240
'cause we are not home yet.
00:53:24.110 --> 00:53:27.110
We are not home yet.
00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:31.200
So keep on looking ahead,
00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:34.110
let your heart not forget
00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:36.180
we are not home yet,
00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:40.240
we are not home yet.
00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:45.170
So keep on looking ahead,
00:53:45.170 --> 00:53:48.020
let your heart not forget
00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:52.110
we are not home yet.
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.000
So let us journey on.
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.280
'Cause we are not home yet
00:54:10.040 --> 00:54:13.040
[audience applauding]
00:54:14.290 --> 00:54:17.290
- Steven: Thank you.
00:54:19.140 --> 00:54:22.140
- Tom: Wow, you know, there are
00:54:22.140 --> 00:54:24.160
know, when--and reading through
00:54:27.110 --> 00:54:28.240
the book, Steven, I was moved
00:54:28.240 --> 00:54:31.070
by a lot of things.
00:54:31.070 --> 00:54:32.130
I laughed out loud at a lot
00:54:32.130 --> 00:54:33.160
of things.
00:54:33.160 --> 00:54:34.060
I would do an injustice to the
00:54:34.060 --> 00:54:36.040
audience if I did not at least
00:54:36.040 --> 00:54:38.260
show them a picture of you
00:54:38.260 --> 00:54:40.070
- Tom: Can we bring up that
00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:43.260
picture for just a moment?
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:45.040
Can you all see this?
00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:46.220
- Steven: There's a young 'un.
00:54:46.220 --> 00:54:47.150
There's a young 'un.
00:54:47.150 --> 00:54:48.110
- Tom: Grand Ole Opry.
00:54:48.110 --> 00:54:51.050
An amazing thing that
00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:52.180
you're gonna find out as you
00:54:52.180 --> 00:54:54.040
happened.
00:54:56.180 --> 00:54:57.120
- Steven: Yeah, something
00:54:57.120 --> 00:54:59.090
awful happened.
00:54:59.090 --> 00:55:00.220
I was--I used to work.
00:55:00.220 --> 00:55:02.090
My first professional job, I
00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:04.260
guess you'd say, was working in
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:06.100
a park, amusement park called
00:55:06.100 --> 00:55:08.100
Opryland USA in Nashville.
00:55:08.100 --> 00:55:10.270
It's no longer there but I was
00:55:10.270 --> 00:55:13.210
working there in the park and
00:55:13.210 --> 00:55:14.210
occasionally they would
00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:15.290
pick kids out of the shows.
00:55:15.290 --> 00:55:17.170
I was in a country music show
00:55:17.170 --> 00:55:19.140
where I sang George Jones' hit
00:55:19.140 --> 00:55:22.130
song, "He Stopped Loving Her
00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:24.140
Today."
00:55:24.140 --> 00:55:25.090
And I was invited to
00:55:25.090 --> 00:55:26.180
come and sing on a Saturday
00:55:26.180 --> 00:55:27.260
matinee with Roy Acuff standing
00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:30.170
by my side to sing,
00:55:30.170 --> 00:55:31.250
"He Stopped Loving Her Today."
00:55:31.250 --> 00:55:32.170
And I sang the song
00:55:32.170 --> 00:55:34.000
all the way through.
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.110
My mom's there, my dad's there.
00:55:35.110 --> 00:55:37.000
My grandmother's there.
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.010
My brother Herbie's there,
00:55:38.010 --> 00:55:38.290
cheering me on.
00:55:38.290 --> 00:55:40.000
And the room's full and I'm just
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.080
thinking, "I cannot believe
00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:42.200
I'm on the Grand Ole Opry."
00:55:42.200 --> 00:55:43.230
And I sing the whole song,
00:55:43.230 --> 00:55:45.250
I get through it, made it.
00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:47.070
Roy Acuff walks out.
00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:48.160
He says, "Steve, I think they
00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:49.160
like it.
00:55:49.160 --> 00:55:50.060
Sing another chorus.
00:55:50.060 --> 00:55:51.010
Give 'em an encore." And I--not
00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:52.220
kidding you, I sang the first
00:55:52.220 --> 00:55:55.040
line and then my mind went
00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:56.190
completely blank.
00:55:56.190 --> 00:55:58.150
And I stood there in front of
00:55:58.150 --> 00:55:59.240
God and everybody and Roy Acuff
00:55:59.240 --> 00:56:02.020
and my parents.
00:56:02.020 --> 00:56:03.050
And just--I didn't know what
00:56:03.050 --> 00:56:04.230
the words were.
00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:05.250
And I just sang the song.
00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:06.260
So that was just ridiculous
00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.190
and I thought,
00:56:08.190 --> 00:56:09.170
"That's the end of my career.
00:56:09.170 --> 00:56:11.200
It'll never happen."
00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:12.230
So let that be an encouragement
00:56:12.230 --> 00:56:14.110
to you, you know,
00:56:14.110 --> 00:56:15.100
wherever you are, that
00:56:15.100 --> 00:56:16.080
don't matter how bad you blow
00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:17.170
it, God can redeem even
00:56:17.170 --> 00:56:19.160
those things.
00:56:19.160 --> 00:56:20.120
And somehow, I lived to
00:56:20.120 --> 00:56:22.020
survive--lived to tell.
00:56:22.020 --> 00:56:23.260
- Tom: Yes, you have.
00:56:23.260 --> 00:56:25.040
The book, "Between Heaven & the
00:56:25.040 --> 00:56:27.280
Real World."
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.030
This covers a lot
00:56:29.030 --> 00:56:30.140
more than 30 years of a life.
00:56:30.140 --> 00:56:32.090
This covers a journey walking
00:56:32.090 --> 00:56:34.030
hand in hand with God, all
00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:36.230
the struggles and the things
00:56:36.230 --> 00:56:37.210
in between.
00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:38.180
And this book is available today
00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:39.210
at bookstores everywhere.
00:56:39.210 --> 00:56:41.120
You can call that number on the
00:56:41.120 --> 00:56:43.000
bottom of your screen right now
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.090
and we'll send this book to you
00:56:44.090 --> 00:56:45.220
for your gift of any amount.
00:56:45.220 --> 00:56:47.190
Steven, as we shared earlier,
00:56:47.190 --> 00:56:49.210
you talked about being a fixer.
00:56:50.070 --> 00:56:53.070
And the thing that I would like
00:56:53.070 --> 00:56:53.290
everyone to know is that we
00:56:53.290 --> 00:56:55.130
don't have the ability to fix
00:56:55.130 --> 00:56:57.070
anything within ourselves.
00:56:57.070 --> 00:56:58.240
It's God who's the fixer.
00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:00.280
God's the only one that can come
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.080
and fix and put these broken
00:57:02.080 --> 00:57:04.080
pieces together and broken lives
00:57:04.080 --> 00:57:05.230
together.
00:57:05.230 --> 00:57:06.210
So for those of you at home
00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:08.070
right now for those of you who
00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:09.130
are struggling, you're hurting,
00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:10.220
you're broken, I want you just
00:57:10.220 --> 00:57:12.080
to take a moment and let me pray
00:57:12.080 --> 00:57:13.140
for you and for those of you
00:57:13.140 --> 00:57:15.000
that have never made
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.020
Jesus Christ
00:57:16.020 --> 00:57:16.190
Lord of your life before,
00:57:16.190 --> 00:57:17.240
would you consider doing that
00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:19.160
right now, knowing that he holds
00:57:19.160 --> 00:57:21.160
the missing pieces to bring your
00:57:21.160 --> 00:57:23.090
life together.
00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:24.070
Let me pray with you.
00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:25.120
Lord Jesus, I ask right now--and
00:57:25.120 --> 00:57:27.120
in fact, just pray this prayer
00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:28.200
after me.
00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:29.060
Lord, Lord Jesus,
00:57:29.060 --> 00:57:31.000
come into my heart.
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:32.160
Put together the broken pieces.
00:57:34.180 --> 00:57:37.150
And let me live for you.
00:57:37.150 --> 00:57:39.180
Jesus, I thank you that you died
00:57:39.180 --> 00:57:41.200
for me.
00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:42.220
I received your gift of eternal
00:57:42.220 --> 00:57:44.250
life now and I give you thanks
00:57:44.250 --> 00:57:47.020
for it, in Jesus' name, amen.
00:57:47.020 --> 00:57:50.020
- Steven: Amen.
00:57:50.020 --> 00:57:50.250
- Tom: amen, if you prayed
00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:51.150
that prayer we want you to call
00:57:51.150 --> 00:57:53.000
that number on your screen.
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:53.280
Thanks for joining us.
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.060
Steven Curtis Chapman, "Between
00:57:55.060 --> 00:57:56.240
Heaven & the Real World."
00:57:56.240 --> 00:57:58.040
Go get it.
00:57:58.040 --> 00:58:01.040
Go get it.
00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:02.040

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