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Praise | Max and Denalyn Lucado | November 2, 2020

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November 2, 2020

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Matt and Laurie Crouch host Max and Denalyn Lucado.

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- ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ONPRAISE FROM COLORADO,
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TEACHING MINISTER ANDHUSBAND AND WIFE AUTHOR
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TEAM, MAX ANDDENALYN LUCADO.
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♪♪
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- AND NOW, MATTAND LAURIE CROUCH.
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- MATT CROUCH: WEWELCOME YOU TO WESTERN
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COLORADO ALL ONE HOUR.
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WE HAVE THE LUCADOS.
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- DENALYN: YES.
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- THERE'S A PLURALON THE END OF THAT.
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- LAURIE CROUCH:BOTH OF THEM.
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- WE HAVE TWO LUCADOS.
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- I LOVE IT.
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FINALLY.
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- SO MAX, AND DENALYN, FIRSTOF ALL WHAT WE WANT TO
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DO IS JUST POINT OUTTHIS BRAND-NEW BOOK.
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WE'RE GOING TO KIND OFSTART UNPACKING THIS, AND
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YOU ARE NEVER ALONEPROBABLY HAS MORE CONTEXTUAL
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RELEVANCE TO THETIMES WE'RE LIVING IN.
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IN OUR LIFETIMES, WE'VENEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
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WHAT WE'RELIVING THROUGH.
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WE HAVE THIS RNA VIRUSTHAT HAS CHANGED THE GLOBE.
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- MAX LUCADO: YEAH.
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- AND IT'S NEVERHAPPENED IN ANY OF
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OUR LIFETIMES.
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WE HEAR ABOUT THE 1918OUTBREAK AND ALL THAT,
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BUT I THINK THAT IF THEREIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO
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DO, WE NEED TO JUST KINDOF CHAT ABOUT THIS AS A
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FAMILY HERE, AND FIRST OFALL, LET ME JUST SAY HOW
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YOU KEEP DOING THIS ISJUST A SHOCK, BUT THE
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TIMELINESS OF WHAT YOU'REWRITING, HOW IT HITS AT
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THE RIGHT TIME FOR THERIGHT REASON, RIGHT
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SEASON, THE WHOLE THING.
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THANK YOU FORWHAT YOU DO.
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140 MILLION BOOKS INPRINT, MAX LUCADO,
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AND I UNDERSTAND THATDENALYN WRITES MOST OF
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YOUR STUFF.
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- SHE DOES.
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SHE DOES.
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- YOU PUT YOURNAME ON IT.
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- ALL HIS MATERIAL.
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- WHERE DOYOU WANT TO START?
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THIS IS A UNIQUE SEASONPEOPLE NEED HELP.
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PEOPLE NEED LOVE.
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- WELL, I THINK, DENALYNAND I WERE TALKING A
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WHILE AGO, THIS 2020SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE
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WE MAY BE WE MIGHT BEGOING THROUGH IT ALONE,
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AND OUR HOMES ARE THEONLY ONES THAT HAS ALL
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THE KIDS IN IT AND ALLTHE FAMILY AND GOING
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THROUGH THIS YEAR HASBEEN KIND OF UNBELIEVABLE
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FOR EVERYBODY.
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BUT IT'S HAPPENED TO KINDOF ALL OF US, HASN'T IT?
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- UH-HUH!
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- AND IT'S HAPPENEDIN YOUR HOUSEHOLD.
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- IT HAS.
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- SO I KNOW Y'ALL HAVEBEEN STUCK AT HOME A LOT
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OF THE TIMES AND PROBABLYA LOT OF THE KIDS AND THE
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GRAND KIDS, SO THAT TIMEHAS BEEN AMAZING, BUT HOW
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HAVE YOU GUYS HANDLEDTHIS YEAR DIFFERENTLY
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THAN ANY OTHER YEAR?
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- GO AHEAD.
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- WELL, IT'S BEEN MUCHQUIETER, AND HE'S NOT ON
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THE ROAD AS MUCH.
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HE'S AT HOME BUT HE'SSTILL MINISTERING.
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WE'RE STILL MINISTERING,AND YOU KNOW I THINK
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SOMETIMES I DOG SOCIALMEDIA AND ALL THE THINGS
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THAT HAPPEN ON THAT,BUT I THINK WITH SOCIAL
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MEDIA, WITH OUR PHONES,WITH WHAT YOU GUYS DO AT
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TBN THAT WE'RE ABLE TOAT LEAST ENCOURAGE
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ONE ANOTHER.
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AND I KNOW WHEN IT FIRSTSTARTED FOR ME, I WAS
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JUST LIKE WOW, GOD.
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WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
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LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON?
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LIKE I WANTED TO BE RIGHTBESIDE HIM TO KNOW WHAT
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WAS GOING ON.
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LIKE, WHAT ARE YOUTHINKING, GOD?
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AND WHERE ARE YOU MOVING?
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AND I WANT TO THINKWHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
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HOW CAN I DO THAT?
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SO I WAS SO CURIOUS, ANDI STILL AM VERY CURIOUS
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ABOUT THINGS THAT AREGOING ON IN THE WORLD.
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AND IT'S NOT ALL PEACEAND QUIET OUTSIDE OF, YOU
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KNOW, OUR HOMES, BUT IFEEL LIKE GOD IS REALLY
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MOVING AND DOING THINGSIN ME PERSONALLY IN OUR
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HOME WITH OUR CHILDREN,BUT JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE.
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I FIND MYSELF WANTING TOGO --I WANT TO SEE WHAT
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ALL IS GOING ON, AND WECAN'T SEE EVERYTHING, BUT
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I TRUST THAT A LOT ISHAPPENING IN THE SPIRIT
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WORLD AFFECTING HERE.
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- IT'S CERTAINLY AWAKE-UP CALL, ISN'T IT?
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I MEAN, THE WHOLE WORLDHAS BEEN REMINDED HOW
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FRAGILE WE ARE, THAT WECAN BE BROUGHT DOWN AS A
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PLANET BY THISMICROSCOPIC VIRUS.
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MOST OF US DIDN'T EVENKNOW ABOUT IT JUST 12
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MONTHS AGO AND NOW NOBODYCAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING
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EXCEPT THAT, AND IT'STAKING ITS TOLL ON US,
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THIS IDEA OF ISOLATIONAND LONELINESS THAT WAS
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ALREADY PRESENT, WEENTITLED THIS BOOK, I
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WROTE THISBOOK PRE COVID.
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I WENT BACK TO WRITE THEFINAL DRAFT DURING
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LOCKDOWN, BUT THIS IDEA OFISOLATION AND LONELINESS
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IS A REAL ISSUE.
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IT'S A HARDISSUE FOR PEOPLE.
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WE JUST DON'T FEELCONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER.
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ONE OF THE MOSTINTERESTING LITTLE AT
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TIDBITS THAT I'VEFOUND IS RESEARCH FROM
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PARKLAND HOSPITALIN DALLAS.
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THEY WERE TRYING TOUNCLOG THEIR ER SYSTEM.
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THIS IS AGAINPRE PANDEMIC.
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THEY JUST HAD SO MANYPEOPLE COMING THROUGH
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THEIR ER'S THEY COULDN'TKEEP UP WITH THEM.
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THEY THOUGHT WHAT INTHE WORLD IS GOING ON?
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SO THEY EVALUATED, MADEA LIST OF WHAT WE MIGHT
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CALL REPEAT OFFENDERS,PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME
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BACK EVERY TWO WEEKS,EVERY THREE WEEKS,
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EVERY MONTH.
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AND THEY CAME UP WITH ALIST OF ABOUT 100 PEOPLE
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AND INTERVIEWED THEM ANDFOUND OUT THESE PEOPLE
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AREN'T SICK.
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THEY'RE LONELY.
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- OH, MY GOODNESS.
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- THEY'RE LONELY, ANDTHE PLACE THEY CAN GO AND
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BE SURE THAT SOMEBODY ISGOING TO ASK THEM, HOW
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ARE YOU DOING,
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IS AN EMERGENCY ROOM.
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- WOW.
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- SO THAT'S JUSTAN INDICATION.
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AND THEN THE PANDEMIC,CALLS TO EMOTIONAL HELP
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HOTLINES ARE UP 861%.
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861%.
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DEPRESSION RATES AREHIGHER THAN EVER.
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SUICIDE IS THE HIGHESTTHAT IT'S BEEN SINCE 1999.
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- IT SEEMS LIKE 2020 WASA SET TIME FOR THINGS TO
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GO OFF THE WALL, AND THATWAS JUST THE TRIGGER THAT
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DID IT, RIGHT.
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SO I LOVE WHAT YOU SAIDBECAUSE WHEN IT ALL
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STARTED, IT'S LIKE OKAY,GOD, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
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WHAT ARE YOU SAYINGTO THE CHURCH?
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WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO OUR--AND IT WAS SUCH A PERSONAL --
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- YEAH.
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- INTROSPECTIVE LOOK ATWHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF
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ME, OUR HOME, OUR FAMILY,OUR COMMUNITIES,
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AND THEN ABROAD.
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- THAT'S A VERY MATUREWAY TO START ASKING
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BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WEREJUST MAD, YOU KNOW.
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SOME PEOPLE WHEN YOU TAKEAWAY ANY KIND OF SENSE OF
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LIBERTY, ALL THE SUDDEN,YOU KNOW, YOU JUST
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SEE ANGER.
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AND SO THE QUESTION, I SUPPOSE,THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH,
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MAX, WE TAKE OVER AMILLION CALLS A YEAR, AND
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WE FOUND THAT WHEN WE DIDSOME RESEARCH, THAT THERE
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WERE 700 DIFFERENT PHONENUMBERS THAT WERE TAKING
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UP 30% OF THE CALLVOLUME TIME IN A MILLION
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AND A HALF CALLS.
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- ON THE PRAYER LINE.
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- SO WE CAN VERIFYTHESE TYPES OF THINGS
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THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLETHAT CALL A NUMBER ON A
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SCREEN BECAUSETHEY'RE LONELY.
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THEY WANT TOTALK TO SOMEBODY.
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- YEAH.
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- AND THAT'S SUCH AJUXTAPOSITION TO THE FACT
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THAT BASICALLY EVERYBODYHAS A CELL PHONE OR MOST
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EVERYBODY DOES, AND THEYARE INTERCONNECTED LIKE
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NEVER BEFORE THROUGHALL SORTS OF STUFF,
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BUT WE'RE LONELY.
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THERE IS A LONELINESS.
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- THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER.
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- IN THIS SEASON.
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OKAY, SO YOU STARTEDWRITING YOU ARE NEVER
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ALONE BEFORE COVID 19.
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YOU GOT TO MODIFYIT DURING LOCKDOWN.
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SO THIS IS RIGHTNOW INFORMATION.
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WE'RE STILL IN THISUNIQUE SEASON, SO STEP
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THROUGH SOME OF THIS.
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AND WHAT DO YOU WE NEEDTO -- HOW DO WE HELP FOLKS
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THAT ARE WATCHINGRIGHT NOW?
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- YEAH. YEAH.
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IF A PERSON WAS ABLE TOGO TO THE BOOKSTORE, LOOK
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ONLINE FOR CURES FORLONELINESS, THEY'D FIND A
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LOT OF BOOKS, ALOT OF ARTICLES.
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AND IT'S ALL HORIZONTAL.
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YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW TO HAVEA BETTER CONVERSATION.
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HOW TO BE ABETTER LISTENER.
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HOW TO BE MOREEMPATHETIC, AND THAT'S
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GOOD STUFF.
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THAT'S GREAT STUFF.
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THE BIBLE'S APPROACH TOLONELINESS, HOWEVER,
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IS DIFFERENT.
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JESUS SAID YOU SHALL LOVETHE LORD YOUR GOD WITH
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ALL YOUR HEART, SOUL,MIND, AND STRENGTH.
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SECONDLY, YOU SHALLLOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
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AS YOURSELF.
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SO DON'T THINK FOR ASECOND YOU CAN CURE
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LONELINESS IF YOUDON'T HAVE A HEALTHY
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RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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- RIGHT.
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- THAT'S KIND OFWHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
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- RIGHT.
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- AND IF YOU THINK THATCURING LONELINESS IS JUST
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MORE ABOUT MORECONVERSATIONS OR MORE
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PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU CANGO SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF A
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FOOTBALL STADIUM, NOT NOW[LAUGHTER] BUT USED TO,
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YOU KNOW, AND BESURROUNDED BY 70.000
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PEOPLE AND BE SOLONELY YOUR BONES ARE
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GOING TO MELT.
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THE TRUE TREATMENT FORLONELINESS BEGINS WITH
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EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITYOF A GOD WHO KNOWS YOU
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AND LOVES YOU SO DEEPLYTHAT WHEN YOU HAVE A
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RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,EVERY OTHER RELATIONSHIP
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IS BETTER, AND WHEN YOUHAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH
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HIM, IF SOMETHINGHAPPENS AND EVERY OTHER
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RELATIONSHIP ISINTERRUPTED, YOU KNOW, IF
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YOU'RE PLACED IN THEHOSPITAL OR ER OR SENIOR
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CITIZENS CENTER,YOU'LL BE OKAY.
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YOU'LL BE OKAY BECAUSETHAT RELATIONSHIP
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IS ENOUGH.
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SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYINGTO ADVANCE THROUGH
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THIS DISCUSSION.
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YOU REALLY ARE NEVERALONE, AND COULD IT BE
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THAT THIS CALAMITY WE'RECALLING COVID IS AN
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OPPORTUNITY FOR US TONURTURE THAT VERTICAL
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RELATIONSHIP THAT WILLSTRENGTHEN ALL THE
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HORIZONTAL ONES?
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- ARE YOU -- LET ME MAKESURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT
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YOU JUST SAID.
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ARE YOU SAYING THAT COVID19 COULD POSSIBLY BE A
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GIFT TO SOMEONE.
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- COME ON.
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- TO CURE LONELINESS?
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- I THINK SO, AND ITHINK LONELINESS IS A
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GIFT BECAUSE IT CAUSES USTO QUIT DEPENDING UPON
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PEOPLE TO DO WHATPEOPLE CAN'T DO.
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- WOW.
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- PEOPLE CAN'TBE THE EVERYTHING.
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I KNOW I'M THE BESTHUSBAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
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- YES.
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[LAUGHTER] - BUT ICAN'T BE EVERYTHING TO HER.
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- NO, HE CAN'T.
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- ONLY GOD CAN.
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AND IF YOU WANT TO BE AGREAT HUSBAND, BE A GREAT
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SON OF GOD.
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IF YOU WANT TO BE AGREAT WIFE, HAVE A GREAT
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RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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LET GOD GIVE YOUWHAT YOU NEED.
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LET GOD FORGIVEYOUR SINS.
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LET GOD BE YOURSOURCE OF IDENTITY.
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LET GOD GIVE YOU REASONFOR GETTING OUT OF BED IN
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THE MORNING BECAUSE NOPERSON CAN DO THOSE THREE.
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NO PERSON CAN.
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SO IF YOU'RE THINKINGTHAT PERSON YOU WALK DOWN
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THE AISLE TO SAY YESTO, SAY FOREVER TO,
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IF YOU'RE THINKINGTHEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT,
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YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELFUP FOR DISAPPOINTMENT.
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- WELL, THEN LET'S BEBOLD IN OUR DECLARATION
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OF WHAT TODAY'SBROADCAST IS.
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SO LET'S SAY WE'REDECLARING THAT THIS TV
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SHOW IS SOMEWHATDIFFERENT THAN MAYBE SOME
00:11:15.531 --> 00:11:17.767
OF THE OTHER ONES YOUMIGHT SEE ANYWHERE ELSE,
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AND WE'RE DECLARING THATTHIS UNIQUE LOCKDOWN,
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SHUT DOWN, PANDEMIC, STAYAT HOME, SHELTER IN PLACE
00:11:23.973 --> 00:11:28.644
THING THAT'S GOING ONTHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE
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WITH A PASSION COULD BE AGREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU
00:11:35.217 --> 00:11:39.288
TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOUWOULD CURE IT ANYWAY.
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BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVERGOING TO FIX IT BY BEING
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THE LIFE OF THE PARTY.
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YOU'RE NEVER GOING TOFIX IT BY HAVING MORE
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SOCIAL EVENTS.
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YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLEARE DOING THESE PARTIES
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THINKING THAT WE'RE JUSTGOING TO THUMB OUR NOSE,
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YOU KNOW, AT SOCIETYAND AUTHORITY AND
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WHATEVER ELSE.
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AND GOD IS SAYING,WAIT A SECOND.
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GET YOUR PRIORITIESSTRAIGHT.
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IS THAT KIND OFWHERE WE'RE AT?
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- WELL, THE BEAUTY OFTHE GOSPEL OF JOHN WHICH
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IS WHERE I DECIDEDTO UNPACK THIS.
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- GOT IT.
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- IS THE STORY OF JESUSTHROUGH A SERIES OF
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MIRACLES CONVINCING USTHAT WE'RE NEVER ALONE.
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JOHN'S GOSPEL IS UNIQUEBECAUSE JOHN SAID I HAVE
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WRITTEN THESE THINGS SOTHAT YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
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JESUS AND INBELIEVING HAVE LIFE.
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HIS GOAL IS THAT DENALYN,LAURIE, MATT, THAT ALL OF
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US HAVE LIFE.
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NOT JUST BE ABLE TOBREATHE BUT HAVE JOY AND
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MEANING AND SIGNIFICANCE,SO WE WENT INTO THIS BOOK
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LOOKING AT THESEDIFFERENT MIRACLES IN THE
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GOSPEL OF JOHN SAYINGNOW, HOW DOES THE STORY
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OF WATER INTO WINE, HOWDOES THAT LEAD LIFE?
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HOW DOES THE STORY OFRAISING LAZARUS FROM THE
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DEAD PROMISE LIFE TO ME?
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AND IN EACH ONE OF THEMWE SEE AN INSTANCE OF
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JESUS ENTERING INTO ADIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE.
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SOME OF THEM ASRELATIVELY MUNDANE AS
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WINELESS WEDDING.
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SOME OF US AS SIGNIFICANTAS A DEAD LAZARUS, BUT
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ALL OF THEM JESUS JUSTWALKS RIGHT INTO THE
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MIDDLE OF IT, AND HEBRINGS ABOUT SOLUTIONS,
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SO I THINK WHAT DENALYNWOULD LIKE TO CONVEY IN
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THIS BOOK IS THATGOD WILL DO THAT.
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HE'LL STILL DO THAT, ANDMAYBE THIS CRISIS THAT
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WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ISYOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TEST
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HIM AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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- OKAY.
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- SHE WAS GOINGTO SAY SOMETHING. GO. SAY IT.
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- IT COMES AND IT GOES.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- BUT NO, I THINK GODWANTS US TO INVITE HIM TO
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INTERRUPT THIS CRISIS.
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I THINK HE WANTS HISCHURCH TO BE TURNED
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UPSIDE DOWN RIGHT NOW.
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HE DOESN'T WANT STATUSQUO FOR THE CHURCH.
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HE DOESN'T WANT IT TOKEEP LOOKING LIKE IT'S
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ALWAYS LOOKED.
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HE WANTS THINGS TO STARTMOVING AND HAPPENING THAT
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ARE DIFFERENT, AND THATARE ALL ABOUT HIM AND
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WHAT ONLY HE CAN DO INUS PERSONALLY BUT IN THE
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BODY OF CHRIST WHICH ISHIS BRIDE WHICH HE IS
00:14:10.406 --> 00:14:13.542
PURIFYING AND PREPARINGFOR HIS RETURN.
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I MEAN, THINGS AREHAPPENING RIGHT NOW ON
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THIS EARTH IN OUR NATION,AND IN OTHER NATIONS THAT
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ARE POINTINGTO HIS RETURN.
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SO IT CAN BE EXCITING.
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HE'S NOT TELLINGUS TO BE AFRAID.
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HE'S SAYING KEEPYOUR EYES ON ME.
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DON'T BE AFRAID.
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I'M WITH YOU.
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DON'T BE DISMAYEDFOR I AM YOUR GOD.
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I WILL HELP YOU.
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I WILL STRENGTHEN YOU.
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I WILL UPHOLD YOU WITHMY RIGHTEOUS RIGHT HAND,
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SO HE'S USING ALL OFTHIS TO EQUIP ALL OF US
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PERSONALLY BUT ALSO HISCHURCH, EQUIPPING US TO
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GO OUT, TO SPEAK OUT, TODECLARE WHO HE IS, WHAT
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HE CAN DO IN LOVE.
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- YEAH.
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- IN LOVE.
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I DON'T-- I'M NOT REALLY ALLABOUT DEFIANCE, AND I KNOW --
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- A LITTLEDEFIANCE IS OKAY?
00:15:07.696 --> 00:15:10.866
- MAYBE FOR YOU,MATT, JUST A LITTLE.
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[LAUGHTER] BUTI THINK HUMILITY.
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YOU KNOW, IT SAYS HUMBLEYOURSELF IN THE SIGHT OF
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THE LORD, AND HE WILLLIFT YOU UP, SO HE'S
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LOOKING FORHUMBLE HEARTS.
00:15:20.142 --> 00:15:22.344
HE'S LOOKING FOR MEN WHOWILL TURN FROM THEIR
00:15:22.444 --> 00:15:24.913
WICKED WAYS BECAUSE HEWANTS TO HEAL HIS LAND.
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HE WANTS TOHEAL OUR LAND.
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HE WANTS TO HEAL HISPEOPLE, AND HE WANTS TO
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WORK BUT HE WILL WORKTHROUGH HUMILITY.
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HE WILL WORK MIGHTYTHINGS THROUGH HUMILITY.
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SO I DON'T LIKE SEEINGDEFIANCE NEXT TO THE WORD
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CHURCH, BUT I THINK ASA CHURCH CONCERNING THE
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COVID AND THE MASK ANDALL THE THINGS WE REALLY
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HATE THAT MAKE US FEELDISTANT FROM THOSE WE
00:15:50.739 --> 00:15:55.611
LOVE, AND EVEN STRANGERSIN THE GROCERY STORE, BUT
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HE TALKS TO US INROMANS 13 ABOUT
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RESPECTING AUTHORITY.
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SO THERE IS, THEREIS SOMETHING ABOUT
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RESPECTING AUTHORITY,WORKING WITH AUTHORITY,
00:16:06.922 --> 00:16:10.392
IN HUMILITY THAT ACTUALLYCALLS PEOPLE TO JESUS.
00:16:10.492 --> 00:16:14.797
SO IN SAN ANTONIO WHENWE DID A PRAY S.A.
00:16:14.897 --> 00:16:18.467
THING, MAX TEXTED THEMAYOR, AND HE'S LIKE,
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HEY, ARE YOU OKAYIF WE DO THIS?
00:16:22.404 --> 00:16:24.840
WE'RE THINKING ABOUTCALLING CARS TO FREEMAN
00:16:24.940 --> 00:16:27.876
COLISEUM PARKING LOT ANDPRAYING FOR SAN ANTONIO.
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AND YOU KNOW, HEAPPRECIATED IT.
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HE SAYS YES, I'MALL FOR UNITY.
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SO THAT'S MYLITTLE TWO CENTS.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- I LOVE IT.
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- SO FIRST OF ALL, YOUWIDENED CONVERSATION TO
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KIND OF NOW INCLUDE HOWTHIS SEASON IS NOT GOING
00:16:44.560 --> 00:16:49.131
TO ONLY AFFECT A SINGLEINDIVIDUAL AND THEIR
00:16:49.231 --> 00:16:52.568
RELATIONSHIP WITH ALOVING GOD, BUT NOW WE'RE
00:16:52.668 --> 00:16:56.405
TRYING TO WADE INTOKIND OF THE BIGGER KIND
00:16:56.505 --> 00:16:59.875
OF HOW IT AFFECTS THECHURCH AND ALL THAT, SO
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THAT'S ONE THING.
00:17:02.578 --> 00:17:03.445
SECOND THING, YOUACTUALLY TEXT YOUR MAYOR?
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- I DID.
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[LAUGHTER]
00:17:07.082 --> 00:17:08.183
- YOU ACTUALLYTEXT YOUR MAYOR?
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- WELL, NOT EVERY DAY.
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ON OCCASION.
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[LAUGHTER]
00:17:11.386 --> 00:17:15.290
- BUT NOW I'VE GOT TOASK THIS QUESTION, YOU
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BROUGHT IT UP, DENALYN,SO YOU STARTED IT.
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- IT'S YOURFAULT, HONEY.
00:17:22.331 --> 00:17:23.932
- I DON'T KNOWWHAT I SAID.
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- OH, MAN.
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- WELL, WHAT I THINK YOUSAID IS THAT YOU LIKE TO
00:17:26.869 --> 00:17:29.805
RESPECT AUTHORITY ANDTHAT YOU WERE SEEKING
00:17:29.905 --> 00:17:33.509
PERMISSION OF YOURGOVERNMENTAL LEADERS IN
00:17:33.609 --> 00:17:35.544
REGARD TO THE WAY THECHURCH WAS GOING TO BE
00:17:35.644 --> 00:17:38.213
OPERATING IN SAN ANTONIO.
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YOU DIDN'T JUST DO YOURTHINK THING IN DEFIANCE
00:17:39.848 --> 00:17:42.384
OF CODES OR THIS OR THATOR THE OTHER THING.
00:17:42.484 --> 00:17:45.053
ALL RIGHT, BUT JOHNMACARTHUR WAS TOLD BY A
00:17:45.154 --> 00:17:49.758
JUDGE, SUPERIOR JUDGE ORA JUDGE IN CALIFORNIA YOU
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CAN'T HOLD CHURCH.
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HE HELD CHURCH ANYWAY, SOHOW DO YOU WEIGH WHAT'S
00:17:56.064 --> 00:17:59.201
GOING ON IN THE BIGGERPIECE OF WHAT THIS IS
00:17:59.301 --> 00:18:03.038
WHERE SOME PASTORS, BLESSTHEIR HEARTS, ARE IN
00:18:03.138 --> 00:18:07.976
COMPLETE DEFIANCE, BEINGTHREATENED A YEAR IN
00:18:08.076 --> 00:18:10.879
JAIL, AND I THINKJOHN MACARTHUR SAID,
00:18:10.979 --> 00:18:16.051
BRING IT ON.
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YOU WANT TO COME ARRESTME, HAVE AT IT, YOU KNOW.
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- YEAH.
00:18:20.956 --> 00:18:22.090
- THAT DOESN'T SOUNDLIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
00:18:22.191 --> 00:18:24.459
- THANKS FORBRINGING THIS UP.
00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:25.527
[LAUGHTER]
00:18:25.627 --> 00:18:28.063
- OH, I'M SOHAPPY RIGHT NOW.
00:18:28.163 --> 00:18:29.865
- MATT CROUCH.
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- WELL, MAXLUCADO IS BLUSHING.
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MY FAVORITETHING IN THE WORLD.
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[LAUGHTER]
00:18:36.238 --> 00:18:37.573
- WELL, OKAY, SO WEWERE ABLE TO FIND MIDDLE
00:18:37.673 --> 00:18:39.975
GROUND WITH THEMAYOR, OKAY.
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I CAN'T SPEAK FOR JOHN'SSITUATION THERE IN
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CALIFORNIA.
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I LOVE JOHN.
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I LOVE JOHN.
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WE FOUND MIDDLE GROUND.
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WE DID OUTDOOR SERVICES.
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- OKAY.
00:18:52.487 --> 00:18:53.655
- WE JUST SAID OKAY,WILL THAT WORK?
00:18:53.755 --> 00:18:55.157
AND THEY WEREVERY GRACIOUS.
00:18:55.257 --> 00:18:56.158
THEY WERE VERYGRACIOUS TO US.
00:18:56.258 --> 00:18:57.459
- THAT IS THE DIFFERENCEBETWEEN TEXAS AND
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CALIFORNIA THOUGH.
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I HAVE TO SAY THAT.
00:19:00.429 --> 00:19:01.430
- YEAH, IT COULD HAVEBEEN THEIR SITUATION.
00:19:01.530 --> 00:19:03.031
YEAH, YEAH.
00:19:03.131 --> 00:19:04.266
I DO BELIEVE PEOPLEARE HUNGRY TO GATHER.
00:19:04.366 --> 00:19:06.335
THEY'RE HUNGRY TOWORSHIP, AND I DO BELIEVE
00:19:06.435 --> 00:19:08.637
THE CHURCH NEEDSTO COME TOGETHER.
00:19:08.737 --> 00:19:10.739
WE'RE RIGHT AT THE END.
00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.375
I THINK 4 TO 6 WEEKS,THE CHURCH IS KIND OF OKAY--
00:19:13.475 --> 00:19:16.445
- WE'RE AT THEEND OF WHAT?
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- WE'RE AT THE END OFTHAT ABILITY TO NOT
00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:19.448
BE TOGETHER.
00:19:19.548 --> 00:19:20.616
- I THOUGHT YOU WERESETTING A DATE FOR THE
00:19:20.716 --> 00:19:21.883
LORD'S RETURN THERE.
00:19:21.984 --> 00:19:22.884
[LAUGHTER]
00:19:22.985 --> 00:19:23.885
- THAT COULD BE TRUE.
00:19:23.986 --> 00:19:24.920
- IT COULD BE TODAY.
00:19:25.020 --> 00:19:26.922
- THAT COULD BE TRUE.
00:19:27.022 --> 00:19:28.156
YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THATTEXAS HAD SAID NO, WE'RE
00:19:28.257 --> 00:19:31.360
NOT EVEN GOING TO LET YOUGET IN YOUR PARKING LOTS
00:19:31.460 --> 00:19:33.362
AND HAVE CHURCH.
00:19:33.462 --> 00:19:35.664
THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTENA LOT OF PUSH BACK.
00:19:35.764 --> 00:19:37.833
A LOT OF PUSH BACK.
00:19:37.933 --> 00:19:38.900
- AGAIN, WOULD YOU HAVEPUSHED BACK ON THAT.
00:19:39.001 --> 00:19:40.902
- WE MIGHT HAVE SAID YESTO 4 TO 6 WEEKS BUT --
00:19:41.003 --> 00:19:42.938
- I THINK WE GET INTOTROUBLE WHEN WE GO INTO
00:19:43.038 --> 00:19:46.275
TROUBLE AND GO INTOOUR CORNERS AND DIG OUR
00:19:46.375 --> 00:19:48.110
HEELS IN AND SAY THIS ISTHE WAY IT SHOULD BE, AND
00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:51.413
YOU GO NO, THIS IS THEWAY IT SHOULD BE, AND WHY
00:19:51.513 --> 00:19:54.349
CAN'T WE COME TO THETABLE AND TALK
00:19:54.449 --> 00:19:56.151
ABOUT THINGS?
00:19:56.251 --> 00:19:57.152
- AND FIND A SOLUTION.
00:19:57.252 --> 00:19:57.853
- REASON TOGETHER.
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- YEAH, IT IS.
00:20:00.756 --> 00:20:01.857
- I THINK IN CONTEXT ASCHRISTIANS, SO WE'RE
00:20:01.957 --> 00:20:03.325
TALKING GOVERNMENTAL -ANDCHRISTIANS SO THAT WAS
00:20:03.425 --> 00:20:06.728
OUT OF CONTEXTSCRIPTURE REFERENCE.
00:20:06.828 --> 00:20:08.930
- YOU'RE FEELING SPICYTODAY, AREN'T YOU?
00:20:09.031 --> 00:20:11.533
[LAUGHTER]
00:20:11.633 --> 00:20:12.868
- EVEN IF THERE'SHUMILITY PRESENT AND
00:20:12.968 --> 00:20:16.238
KINDNESS PRESENT --- ARE YOU LISTENING?
00:20:16.338 --> 00:20:18.106
- AND GOODNESS PRESENTAND GOD'S LOVE AND HIS
00:20:18.206 --> 00:20:21.710
UNDERSTANDING, IF THAT ISALL PRESENT, IT SOFTENS
00:20:21.810 --> 00:20:25.547
THE HEARTS OF GOVERNMENT.
00:20:25.647 --> 00:20:27.849
IT SOFTENS THE HEARTS OFTHOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THE
00:20:27.949 --> 00:20:30.819
LORD AND THEY'RE WILLINGTO LISTEN, BUT WHEN WE
00:20:30.919 --> 00:20:33.955
JUST THROW OUR VIDEOS OUTHERE AND WE SPEAK OUT
00:20:34.056 --> 00:20:37.492
HERE AND WE'RE CRITICALAND WE DON'T HONOR
00:20:37.592 --> 00:20:40.629
PEOPLE, WHO WOULD NOT BEWILLING TO LISTEN IF YOU
00:20:40.729 --> 00:20:45.767
HONORED THEM AND YOUTHANKED THEM FOR WHAT
00:20:45.867 --> 00:20:49.504
THEY DID FOR YOUR CITY?
00:20:49.604 --> 00:20:51.139
I MEAN, THERE ARE HARDHEARTS THAT MIGHT NOT,
00:20:51.239 --> 00:20:54.009
BUT I JUST THINK THERE'SA CONVERSATION MAYBE THAT
00:20:54.109 --> 00:20:57.512
HASN'T HAPPENED EVEN INCALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW,
00:20:57.612 --> 00:21:00.082
THAT MIGHT BENEFIT,EXPAND GOD'S KINGDOM,
00:21:00.182 --> 00:21:06.154
OPEN PEOPLE'S HEARTS TOHEAR AND NOT SHUT,
00:21:06.254 --> 00:21:09.624
YOU KNOW.
00:21:09.725 --> 00:21:10.826
GIVE THEM A NEW WAY TOSEE WHO JESUS IS AND WHO
00:21:10.926 --> 00:21:13.362
ARE THESE PEOPLEWHO FOLLOW HIM.
00:21:13.462 --> 00:21:16.865
WHAT ARE THEY LIKE?
00:21:16.965 --> 00:21:18.567
YOU KNOW, THEY'REATTRACTIVE.
00:21:18.667 --> 00:21:19.901
I WANT TO FOLLOWTHEM, YOU KNOW.
00:21:20.001 --> 00:21:21.970
THERE IS A WAY, THERE ISA HEART THAT CAN DO THAT.
00:21:22.070 --> 00:21:25.640
- YOU KNOW, AND YOU FINDEVEN IN THIS SEASON I'M
00:21:25.741 --> 00:21:29.578
KIND OF BLOWN AWAY BYSOME BROTHERS AND SISTERS
00:21:29.678 --> 00:21:33.682
THAT JUST ARE SO ADAMANTAGAINST, AND IT'S LIKE
00:21:33.782 --> 00:21:41.623
MAN, THESE PEOPLENEED JESUS.
00:21:41.723 --> 00:21:43.358
FIRST OF ALL, THEYNEED JESUS, YOU KNOW.
00:21:43.458 --> 00:21:46.762
AND YOU'RE SO RIGHT, WENEED TO INSTEAD OF JUST
00:21:46.862 --> 00:21:51.933
BEING SO HARD NOSED WHICH ICAN BE. I'M PROBABLY--
00:21:52.033 --> 00:21:56.571
- YOUTHINK YOU CAN BE?
00:21:56.671 --> 00:21:58.573
- I CAN AND I HATETHAT ABOUT MYSELF.
00:21:58.673 --> 00:22:00.675
I CAN BE STINKYSOMETIMES.
00:22:00.776 --> 00:22:04.613
NO COMMENT.
00:22:04.713 --> 00:22:06.014
[LAUGHTER]
00:22:06.114 --> 00:22:07.682
AND I THINK THAT'S ON THEINSIDE BUT THEN IT'S LIKE
00:22:07.783 --> 00:22:11.153
MAN, THESE PEOPLE NEEDJESUS JUST AS MUCH AS I
00:22:11.253 --> 00:22:14.489
NEED JESUS, YOU KNOW.
00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:16.425
AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEEDTO START, SHARING THE
00:22:16.525 --> 00:22:18.960
LOVE OF JESUS.
00:22:19.060 --> 00:22:20.195
- YOU'RE IN THE WORD,MAX, SO YOU OBVIOUSLY
00:22:20.295 --> 00:22:21.696
HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
00:22:21.797 --> 00:22:23.432
- YEAH, WE NEED TOREMEMBER THAT THE BIBLE
00:22:23.532 --> 00:22:25.867
WAS WRITTEN IN A CULTUREFAR MORE SEVERE THAN
00:22:25.967 --> 00:22:28.303
OURS, RIGHT.
00:22:28.403 --> 00:22:29.404
- WHERE ARE YOU AT?
00:22:29.504 --> 00:22:30.839
- WELL, I'M INEPHESIANS CHAPTER 4.
00:22:30.939 --> 00:22:34.676
- OKAY.
00:22:34.776 --> 00:22:36.478
- AND VERSE 29.
00:22:36.578 --> 00:22:38.079
- YEAH.
00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:39.848
- SO YOU KNOW, AGAINWITH THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT
00:22:39.948 --> 00:22:43.218
BREATHING DOWN YOUR NECKAND TELLING YOU WE DON'T
00:22:43.318 --> 00:22:46.188
WANT YOU TO GATHER, BUTWE'LL KILL YOU IF YOU DO.
00:22:46.288 --> 00:22:50.292
- YEAH.
00:22:50.392 --> 00:22:51.426
- SO THAT'S THE CULTUREIN WHICH THE CHURCH WAS
00:22:51.526 --> 00:22:53.728
BORN WHEN ITLEFT JERUSALEM.
00:22:53.829 --> 00:22:56.398
- RIGHT.
00:22:56.498 --> 00:22:58.366
- SO IT'S IN THATMIND SET PAUL SAID:
00:22:58.467 --> 00:23:00.936
- SO EVERY TIME WE OPEN OURMOUTH, LET IT BE IN A WAY
00:23:10.946 --> 00:23:13.448
THAT EVERYBODY WHO HEARSHEARS GRACE, EVERYBODY
00:23:13.548 --> 00:23:17.118
HEARS HEARS GRACEREGARDLESS IF THEY'RE FOR
00:23:17.219 --> 00:23:19.387
US OR IF THEY'REAGAINST US.
00:23:19.488 --> 00:23:22.057
AND THEN JUST 3 OR 4VERSES LATER, LET US WALK
00:23:22.157 --> 00:23:25.861
IN LOVE AS CHRIST HASLOVED US AND GIVEN
00:23:25.961 --> 00:23:29.097
HIMSELF FOR US ANOFFERING AND A SWEET
00:23:29.197 --> 00:23:31.199
SACRIFICE TO GOD FOR ASWEET SMELLING AROMA.
00:23:31.299 --> 00:23:34.870
- YES.
00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:37.038
- YOU KNOW, AGAINIS, WE'RE NOT IN THE
00:23:37.138 --> 00:23:41.042
SITUATION CERTAINCHURCHES ARE IN.
00:23:41.142 --> 00:23:43.211
I DO THINK THAT THEDEFIANT POSTURE HAS TO
00:23:43.311 --> 00:23:46.915
ONLY COME AFTER EVERYOTHER POSSIBILITY HAS
00:23:47.015 --> 00:23:50.785
BEEN, HAS BEEN EXHAUSTED.
00:23:50.886 --> 00:23:53.288
- OKAY.
00:23:53.388 --> 00:23:54.289
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOUCOULD BE PUSHED INTO A
00:23:54.389 --> 00:23:56.625
POSITION, BUT YOU'REDEFAULT SWITCH IS GOING
00:23:56.725 --> 00:23:59.895
TO SAY LET'S LOVE PEOPLE.
00:23:59.995 --> 00:24:03.365
- LET'S LOVE.
00:24:03.465 --> 00:24:04.666
- I WAS INTERVIEWING APASTOR NOT LONG AGO, AND
00:24:04.766 --> 00:24:06.535
HE I THINK SAID ITCONCISELY ON THAT
00:24:06.635 --> 00:24:09.604
PARTICULAR MOMENT THAT,YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO
00:24:09.704 --> 00:24:13.141
WIN THESEPEOPLE TO JESUS.
00:24:13.241 --> 00:24:15.710
- YEAH.
00:24:15.810 --> 00:24:16.878
- SO ARE THEY GOING TOBE WON BY US SHOWING LOVE
00:24:16.978 --> 00:24:20.448
AND BEING IN COMPLIANCEWITH THIS KIND OF STUFF?
00:24:20.549 --> 00:24:24.119
AND IS THIS GOING TO --ORAM I JUST GOING TO WIN AN
00:24:24.219 --> 00:24:28.790
ARGUMENT WITH SOMEBODY?
00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:29.991
- YEAH, IT'S NOTA WHO IS WINNING.
00:24:30.091 --> 00:24:34.029
WE'RE NOT INTHIS TO WIN IT.
00:24:34.129 --> 00:24:35.697
WE'RE NOT INIT TO WIN IT.
00:24:35.797 --> 00:24:37.198
THAT'S A FOOTBALL SLOGAN.
00:24:37.299 --> 00:24:39.167
WE'RE IN IT TOSERVE, YOU KNOW.
00:24:39.267 --> 00:24:41.403
THIS IS NOT AZERO SUM GAME.
00:24:41.503 --> 00:24:43.939
IT'S NOT A WE WIN,YOU LOSE TYPE THING.
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.575
CHRIST HAS ALREADY WON.
00:24:46.675 --> 00:24:48.376
- RIGHT.
00:24:48.476 --> 00:24:49.644
- THE VICTORYIS ALREADY WON.
00:24:49.744 --> 00:24:50.879
WE'RE ON THE WINNINGTEAM, SO WE'VE ALREADY
00:24:50.979 --> 00:24:52.681
DECLARED THAT.
00:24:52.781 --> 00:24:53.648
- RIGHT.
00:24:53.748 --> 00:24:54.849
- WE'RE JUST TRYING TOLURE AND ATTRACT AND BE
00:24:54.950 --> 00:24:56.451
AS CONTAGIOUS AS WECAN TO HELP OTHERS.
00:24:56.551 --> 00:24:58.453
- THEN YOU ARE, AND I'MNOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN
00:24:58.553 --> 00:25:01.923
YOUR MOUTH BUT --
00:25:02.023 --> 00:25:03.592
- HOW DID YOU GET USON THIS TOPIC?
00:25:03.692 --> 00:25:05.427
I THOUGHT WE WERE GOINGTO TALK ABOUT YOU'RE
00:25:05.527 --> 00:25:06.828
NEVER ALONE.
00:25:06.928 --> 00:25:07.796
- YOU CAN LATER.
00:25:07.896 --> 00:25:09.164
[LAUGHTER]
00:25:09.264 --> 00:25:10.231
- SHE'S LIKE --
00:25:10.332 --> 00:25:11.433
- THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M
00:25:11.533 --> 00:25:12.434
BRINGING YOU ON ONEOF THESE INTERVIEWS.
00:25:12.534 --> 00:25:13.501
- OH, MY GOSH.
00:25:13.602 --> 00:25:15.570
[LAUGHTER]
00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:17.305
- SO WHAT YOU SEEM TO BESAYING WITHOUT SAYING IT
00:25:17.405 --> 00:25:21.242
OR WHAT I'M TAKING AWAYFROM IT IS THAT THERE
00:25:21.343 --> 00:25:25.981
COULD BE SOMETHING THECHURCH WASN'T DOING THAT
00:25:26.081 --> 00:25:28.984
NEEDS TO BE DOING NOWTHAT THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN
00:25:29.084 --> 00:25:32.787
A TOOL IN THE HAND OFGOD TO RESHAPE SOMETHING
00:25:32.887 --> 00:25:37.959
GOING ON.
00:25:38.059 --> 00:25:39.027
- YEAH.
00:25:39.127 --> 00:25:40.395
- OR IT WASN'T HAPPENINGTHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
00:25:40.495 --> 00:25:43.565
- YES.
00:25:43.665 --> 00:25:44.799
- SEE, I READ SOMETHINGNOT LONG AGO THAT, YOU
00:25:44.899 --> 00:25:47.535
KNOW, PHONE CALLS AREN'TBANNED SO YOU COULD STILL
00:25:47.636 --> 00:25:50.138
BE DOING THAT.
00:25:50.238 --> 00:25:51.339
YOU COULD STILLGIVE OUT FOOD.
00:25:51.439 --> 00:25:53.141
YOU CAN STILL GO FINDSOMEONE SHELTERING UNDER
00:25:53.241 --> 00:25:55.310
A BRIDGE SOMEWHERE.
00:25:55.410 --> 00:25:56.478
- SURE. SURE.
00:25:56.578 --> 00:25:57.612
- SO THERE'S A WHOLELOT OF REALLY GOOD JESUS
00:25:57.712 --> 00:25:59.814
STUFF THAT ISN'T --
00:25:59.914 --> 00:26:01.383
- YOU'RE HITTING THENAIL ON THE HEAD.
00:26:01.483 --> 00:26:02.684
- AND ALL THE SUDDENWE'RE MAKING THIS HUGE
00:26:02.784 --> 00:26:04.586
ISSUE OF THE NAVEL GAZINGWITH ALL DUE RESPECT OF
00:26:04.686 --> 00:26:09.724
COMING TOGETHER WHEN WECOULD BE LOOKING OUTSIDE,
00:26:09.824 --> 00:26:12.927
AND WHAT IF GOD ISSHAPING US TO DO
00:26:13.028 --> 00:26:18.500
SOMETHING DIFFERENT THATWASN'T BEING DONE IN A MORE --
00:26:18.600 --> 00:26:20.835
- EXACTLY.
00:26:20.935 --> 00:26:22.003
- OKAY. MAYBE?
00:26:22.103 --> 00:26:23.772
- INSTEAD OF TURNINGTHE CHURCH UPSIDE DOWN,
00:26:23.872 --> 00:26:25.273
MAYBE HE'S TURNINGIT RIGHT SIDE UP.
00:26:25.373 --> 00:26:26.474
- THERE YOU GO.
00:26:26.574 --> 00:26:27.709
- YES.
00:26:27.809 --> 00:26:28.710
- THE WAY IT'SSUPPOSED TO BE.
00:26:28.810 --> 00:26:29.944
- IF I HAD A HIGHLIGHTER, I WOULD
00:26:30.045 --> 00:26:30.679
HIGHLIGHT THAT.
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:31.646
- I'LL WRITE THAT DOWNFOR YOU, MAX.
00:26:31.746 --> 00:26:33.848
[LAUGHTER]
00:26:33.948 --> 00:26:35.417
- I THINK MAN HASPLANNED FOR A LONG TIME,
00:26:35.517 --> 00:26:38.086
HE'S BEEN IN PLANNING,HE'S BEEN IN MEETINGS,
00:26:38.186 --> 00:26:40.622
HE'S BEEN DOING THIS ANDTHAT AND GOD IS LIKE, WAIT.
00:26:40.722 --> 00:26:45.560
I WANT TO DO THEPLANNING, SO HE JUST KIND
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:48.630
OF STOPS EVERYTHING, ANDWE HAVE TO ASK HIM, WHAT
00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:51.499
ARE YOU PLANNING?
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.034
LIKE, WHAT AREYOUR PLANS?
00:26:53.134 --> 00:26:54.936
YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEPEOPLE, I'M GOING BACK TO
00:26:55.036 --> 00:26:57.272
COVID-- [LAUGHTER]
00:26:57.372 --> 00:27:00.041
FOR SOME PEOPLE,
00:27:00.141 --> 00:27:01.609
LOVE TO THEM LOOKS LIKEYOU WEARING A MASK.
00:27:01.710 --> 00:27:05.180
- YES.
00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:06.681
- YOU KNOW, SO CAN WEHUMBLE OURSELVES
00:27:06.781 --> 00:27:09.150
AND WEAR A MASK?
00:27:09.250 --> 00:27:10.652
I HATE THE MASK. I DO.
00:27:10.752 --> 00:27:12.654
I DON'T LIKE SMELLINGMY OWN BREATH,
00:27:12.754 --> 00:27:14.823
I DON'T LIKE NOTSEEING PEOPLE'S SMILE.
00:27:14.923 --> 00:27:19.394
WE JUST LOVESEEING OUR FACES.
00:27:19.494 --> 00:27:22.897
BUT IT MIGHT BE A SIGN OFLOVE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
00:27:22.997 --> 00:27:27.702
- [LAURIE] TO NOT OFFEND.
00:27:27.802 --> 00:27:29.070
- [DENALYN] YEAH, EXACTLY.
00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:31.039
THERE'S A LOTTO THINK ABOUT.
00:27:31.139 --> 00:27:34.542
- SO MUCH, ISN'T THERE?
00:27:34.642 --> 00:27:36.211
- IT'S A CRAZY TIME.IT IS A CRAZY TIME.
00:27:36.311 --> 00:27:39.013
- I WANT TO SAYTHIS, MAX LUCADO,
00:27:39.114 --> 00:27:42.083
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELYBLESSED THE SOCKS OFF OF
00:27:42.183 --> 00:27:45.653
TBN AND US PERSONALLY.
00:27:45.754 --> 00:27:47.622
I THINK YOU KNOWTHAT ALREADY.
00:27:47.722 --> 00:27:49.424
BUT OFF OF TBN BECAUSEOF ALL THE FRIDAY NIGHT
00:27:49.524 --> 00:27:53.928
SPECIALS YOU HAVE DONE SOBEAUTIFULLY OVER THE
00:27:54.028 --> 00:27:58.700
LAST FEW MONTHS, EVERSINCE GOOD FRIDAY,
00:27:58.800 --> 00:28:02.737
YOU HAVE DONE A COUPLESERIES RIGHT HERE ON TBN,
00:28:02.837 --> 00:28:05.640
AND THAT HAS BEENSUCH AN AMAZING THING.
00:28:05.740 --> 00:28:09.177
EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT WE'REALL TEXTING TOGETHER,
00:28:09.277 --> 00:28:11.913
TOM AND YOU AND STEVE ANDEVERYBODY TEXTING HOW
00:28:12.013 --> 00:28:14.783
BEAUTIFUL THOSENIGHTS ARE,
00:28:14.883 --> 00:28:16.618
AND THEY'RE JUST FILLEDWITH SUCH HOPE AND SUCH
00:28:16.718 --> 00:28:20.455
GRACE AND STRENGTHFOR EVERYBODY AROUND,
00:28:20.555 --> 00:28:23.258
SO IF YOU NEEDSOMETHING TODAY,
00:28:23.358 --> 00:28:26.161
YOU CAN JUST CLICK IT ONAND WATCH AS MUCH AS YOU
00:28:26.261 --> 00:28:29.697
WANT OF MAX LUCADO SHARINGJUST THE GOODNESS OF GOD.
00:28:29.798 --> 00:28:34.569
- THAT'S VERY SWEET.
00:28:34.669 --> 00:28:35.637
- AND I LOVEYOU FOR THAT.
00:28:35.737 --> 00:28:36.638
- THANK YOU, BABE.
00:28:36.738 --> 00:28:37.806
NOW I HAVE ANOTHERDIFFICULT QUESTION FOR YOU.
00:28:37.906 --> 00:28:40.108
- I'M TRYING TO GIVEUS A BREATHER HERE.
00:28:40.208 --> 00:28:42.544
THANKS MATT.
00:28:42.644 --> 00:28:43.745
- WELL, IF WE ARECOLLECTIVELY UNABLE AND
00:28:43.845 --> 00:28:51.219
SOME CHURCHES,IT'S DIFFERENT,
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.087
I MEAN THE WHOLE COUNTRYIS KIND OF SWEEPING
00:28:53.188 --> 00:28:56.758
THROUGH THIS, BUT ASWE'RE SHOOTING THIS,
00:28:56.858 --> 00:28:59.994
IT WAS LAST SUNDAY THAT AJUDGE ORDERED CALIFORNIA
00:29:00.094 --> 00:29:05.633
CHURCHES IN THE L.A. COUNTYTO NOT EVEN GATHER.
00:29:05.733 --> 00:29:08.937
THAT HAPPENED. THAT'SRIGHT NOW THING.
00:29:09.037 --> 00:29:11.773
- EVEN OUT DOORS?
00:29:11.873 --> 00:29:13.675
- DON'T GO ON THEPARKING LOT, OKAY?
00:29:13.775 --> 00:29:17.378
AND THERE WAS ALSO ONE WEFEATURED IN CHICAGO THAT
00:29:17.478 --> 00:29:21.449
THE POLICE PUT UPTEMPORARY NO PARKING
00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:24.819
ZONES IN BLOCKSAROUND THE CHURCH,
00:29:24.919 --> 00:29:28.489
AND THE THREAT THAT WE'LLFIND MOLD IN YOUR CHURCH
00:29:28.590 --> 00:29:33.361
AND DESTROY IT IFYOU DO. OKAY?
00:29:33.461 --> 00:29:36.097
SO THERE'S SOME PRETTYSERIOUS CRAZINESS GOING ON.
00:29:36.197 --> 00:29:39.868
BUT IF THAT'S HAPPENINGAND IF WE ARE SIMPLY
00:29:39.968 --> 00:29:44.939
MEANT TO SERVE, THENTHAT'S GOD'S WAY OF
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.243
SAYING GET OUT INTO THESTREETS AND GO VISIT
00:29:48.343 --> 00:29:51.179
PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSES,BRING THEM FOOD,
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.448
BRING THEM LOVE.
00:29:53.548 --> 00:29:54.782
- THE CHURCH HASLEFT THE BUILDING.
00:29:54.883 --> 00:29:56.150
- AND A LOT OF PEOPLECAN'T GO THERE.
00:29:56.251 --> 00:29:58.119
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARESPOILING FOR A FIGHT
00:29:58.219 --> 00:30:00.588
IN REGARD TO THIS.
00:30:00.688 --> 00:30:02.457
IS THE LORD SHAPINGUS IN THIS SEASON?
00:30:02.557 --> 00:30:05.927
- I THINK SO.
00:30:06.027 --> 00:30:08.263
IF THE CHURCH HAS A CHIPON ITS SHOULDER AND SAYS
00:30:08.363 --> 00:30:11.666
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA FIGHTTHIS AND THAT KIND OF
00:30:11.766 --> 00:30:14.035
POSTURE, I DON'T THINKTHAT SENDS THE KIND OF
00:30:14.135 --> 00:30:19.574
MESSAGE ANDSERVES, YOU KNOW,
00:30:19.674 --> 00:30:22.310
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:24.712
I THINK HE WOULD FIND THOSEPEOPLE WHO ARE STILL LONELY.
00:30:24.812 --> 00:30:27.749
HE WOULD GET ONLINE,HE WOULD CALL PEOPLE,
00:30:27.849 --> 00:30:31.019
HE WOULD TEXT PEOPLE, HEWOULD FEED THE HUNGRY PEOPLE.
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.821
AND IF AT SOME POINTWE'RE EVER TOLD
00:30:33.922 --> 00:30:37.125
WE CAN'T HELP HUNGRY,MARGINALIZED PEOPLE,
00:30:37.225 --> 00:30:40.094
THAT'S A DIFFERENT THINGTHAN BEING TOLD YOU CAN'T
00:30:40.194 --> 00:30:42.697
GET TOGETHER IN A GROUPAND PRAY AND TALK,
00:30:42.797 --> 00:30:46.000
BECAUSE I'LL FIND AWAY TO GET TOGETHER
00:30:46.100 --> 00:30:48.369
IN A GROUP AND PRAYAND TALK SAFELY.
00:30:48.469 --> 00:30:51.072
I'LL GO TO THE CITY PARKAND WE'LL STAND SIX FEET
00:30:51.172 --> 00:30:54.042
APART AND WE'LL OBSERVEEVERYTHING THAT YOU TELL
00:30:54.142 --> 00:30:56.644
US TO OBSERVE, AND WE'RESTILL GONNA PRAY AND
00:30:56.744 --> 00:30:58.313
WORSHIP WITHOUTVIOLATING ANY LAW.
00:30:58.413 --> 00:31:00.214
I DON'T THINKWE'RE THERE YET.
00:31:00.315 --> 00:31:01.683
I THINK THERE'S MUCHTHE CHURCH CAN DO,
00:31:01.783 --> 00:31:04.018
AND WE CAN STILL BE THECHURCH FOR A LONG TIME
00:31:04.118 --> 00:31:06.521
BEFORE WE NEED TOPUT OUR FISTS UP.
00:31:06.621 --> 00:31:09.123
- YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING.
00:31:09.223 --> 00:31:10.658
YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE TOACTUALLY OPEN YOUR BIBLE
00:31:10.758 --> 00:31:13.928
DURING THIS CONVERSATIONAND GO TO EPHESIANS,
00:31:14.028 --> 00:31:16.464
AND YOU MADE THE POINTTHAT THE BIBLE WAS
00:31:16.564 --> 00:31:19.200
WRITTEN IN A TIME THATTHERE WAS WORSE PRESSURE
00:31:19.300 --> 00:31:25.473
FROM GOVERNMENTALAUTHORITY THAN TODAY.
00:31:25.573 --> 00:31:27.809
- CERTAINLY.
00:31:27.909 --> 00:31:29.243
- SO THE SCRIPTURE ISNOT VOID OF UNDERSTANDING
00:31:29.344 --> 00:31:32.547
AND/OR CONTEXT IN REGARDTO SHUT DOWN OR LOCK DOWN
00:31:32.647 --> 00:31:36.851
OR ANY OF THAT.
00:31:36.951 --> 00:31:38.319
WITH THAT IN MIND, JESUSNEVER PICKED UP ARMS.
00:31:38.419 --> 00:31:43.324
HE BASICALLY CHASTISEDSOME OF THE DISCIPLES
00:31:43.424 --> 00:31:47.328
FOR BUYING SWORDS.
00:31:47.428 --> 00:31:49.430
SOME OF THE DISCIPLESTHOUGHT MAYBE HE WAS
00:31:49.530 --> 00:31:51.966
GOING TO GO IN, FLIP OVERTHE TEMPLE TABLES AND
00:31:52.066 --> 00:31:55.570
THEN TAKE OVER, AND HEWOULD SIT ON A THRONE AND
00:31:55.670 --> 00:31:59.007
BE MESSIAH. HE HAD ACOMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.
00:31:59.107 --> 00:32:02.243
SO WHAT WOULD JESUS DO INTHE MIDST OF THE PANDEMIC?
00:32:02.343 --> 00:32:05.446
THAT'S THE QUESTION.WHAT WOULD HE DO?
00:32:05.546 --> 00:32:07.749
- AND THAT'S THEONLY QUESTION.
00:32:07.849 --> 00:32:09.217
THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION.
00:32:09.317 --> 00:32:10.752
I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT,DO YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE A
00:32:10.852 --> 00:32:12.453
SHOT AT THAT BEFORE I DO?
00:32:12.553 --> 00:32:14.555
- THE CHURCHES IN L.A. WHOJUST GOT THIS EDICT,
00:32:14.655 --> 00:32:19.994
I MEAN I THINK JESUSWOULD MAKE COOKIES AND
00:32:20.094 --> 00:32:22.830
TAKE THEM TO THE MAYORAND THE CITY COUNCIL
00:32:22.930 --> 00:32:27.535
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,AND HE WOULD HONOR THEM.
00:32:27.635 --> 00:32:31.773
I THINK HE WOULDPRAY FOR THEM.
00:32:31.873 --> 00:32:34.042
HE WOULD SPEAK TRUTH TOTHEM BECAUSE REALLY,
00:32:34.142 --> 00:32:37.879
THEY CAN'T SHUTDOWN THE CHURCH.
00:32:37.979 --> 00:32:41.015
THEY CAN SHUT THEBUILDING DOWN AND THE
00:32:41.115 --> 00:32:43.117
PARKING LOT DOWN, BUTTHEY CAN'T SHUT DOWN
00:32:43.217 --> 00:32:45.253
THE CHURCH, SO IN MYTHINKING AND WONDERING,
00:32:45.353 --> 00:32:51.325
I WOULD WONDER OKAY, THEBUILDING IS SHUT DOWN,
00:32:51.426 --> 00:32:54.128
THE PARKING LOTIS SHUT DOWN,
00:32:54.228 --> 00:32:56.431
SO LORD WHAT ARE YOUTELLING YOUR PEOPLE?
00:32:56.531 --> 00:32:58.900
SO I THINK WESHOULD ASK LORD,
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.601
WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US?
00:33:00.701 --> 00:33:02.203
WHERE WOULD YOU SENDUS, LIKE YOU WERE.
00:33:02.303 --> 00:33:04.138
THERE'S MUCH TO BEDONE BY THE CHURCH.
00:33:04.238 --> 00:33:07.308
WE GATHER INSIDEOUR WALLS AND WE DO
00:33:07.408 --> 00:33:10.478
WONDERFUL, WE LOVEGATHERING AND WORSHIPPING
00:33:10.578 --> 00:33:13.448
TOGETHER, AND THAT'S APART OF THE EQUIPPING
00:33:13.548 --> 00:33:16.250
THAT HE DOES IN OURHEARTS TO GO OUT INTO THE
00:33:16.350 --> 00:33:19.087
WORLD, BUT NOT ASDEFIANT, ARROGANT,
00:33:19.187 --> 00:33:24.158
SELF-RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE,BUT AS HUMBLE PEOPLE WHO
00:33:24.258 --> 00:33:28.196
WANT TO SERVEMANKIND AS HE DID.
00:33:28.296 --> 00:33:31.299
- YOU'RE SO BEAUTIFUL.
00:33:31.399 --> 00:33:32.867
- [MAX] ISN'T SHE GREAT?
00:33:32.967 --> 00:33:34.168
- SUPER SWEET.
00:33:34.268 --> 00:33:35.837
- OKAY, SO HERE'STHE SCRIPTURE.
00:33:35.937 --> 00:33:38.339
DO YOU WANT TO BE UNAFRAIDOF AUTHORITY, ROMANS 13,
00:33:38.439 --> 00:33:42.510
DO YOU WANT TO BE UNAFRAIDOF THE AUTHORITY?
00:33:42.610 --> 00:33:44.745
DO WHAT IS GOOD.THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
00:33:44.846 --> 00:33:48.182
DO WHAT IS GOOD
00:33:48.282 --> 00:33:49.383
AND YOU WILL HAVEPRAISE FROM THE SAME.
00:33:49.484 --> 00:33:51.385
SO HERE'S THE PROMISE.THERE'S THE PROMISE.
00:33:51.486 --> 00:33:53.921
YOU WANT TO BE UNAFRAIDOF WHATEVER AUTHORITY,
00:33:54.021 --> 00:33:55.756
IS IN THE CONTEXT OFSUBMIT TO THE GOVERNMENT.
00:33:55.857 --> 00:33:58.559
HE SAYS GO OUT ANDDO GOOD THINGS.
00:33:58.659 --> 00:34:00.561
GO OUT AND DO GOOD THINGSAND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
00:34:00.661 --> 00:34:03.531
- SO...
00:34:03.631 --> 00:34:04.732
- QUIT IT, MATT.
00:34:04.832 --> 00:34:05.867
- SO SET THE STAGE.[LAUGHTER]
00:34:05.967 --> 00:34:07.502
- CAN WE GETBACK TO THE BOOK.
00:34:07.602 --> 00:34:09.303
- WE WILL. WE WILL.
00:34:09.403 --> 00:34:10.705
- THIS IS ALL GOOD, HONEY.
00:34:10.805 --> 00:34:12.473
- WHEN WAS CORINTHIANSWRITTEN, BY WHO,
00:34:12.573 --> 00:34:16.244
WHAT DID HE SUFFER, KINDOF IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO
00:34:16.344 --> 00:34:19.947
KNOW, WE'RE TALKING--THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY
00:34:20.047 --> 00:34:22.617
WATCHING GOING THESE GUYSAT LEAST SOUND REASONABLE.
00:34:22.717 --> 00:34:26.187
WHAT WAS PAUL'S CONTEXTAND WHEN WAS THIS WRITTEN?
00:34:26.287 --> 00:34:29.957
KIND OF EXPLAIN ITBECAUSE IT'S A GOOD POINT.
00:34:30.057 --> 00:34:32.393
- WELL, THE BIG IDEAIS THAT THE BIBLE WAS
00:34:32.493 --> 00:34:34.762
WRITTEN FORTIMES LIKE THESE.
00:34:34.862 --> 00:34:37.231
I THINK THAT'S AWONDERFUL THOUGHT,
00:34:37.331 --> 00:34:38.633
THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN--- "IN" TIMES.
00:34:38.733 --> 00:34:40.801
- IN TIMES, GOODCLARIFICATION.
00:34:40.902 --> 00:34:43.337
WRITTEN IN THEMIDDLE OF OPPRESSION.
00:34:43.437 --> 00:34:45.806
WRITTEN IN THE MIDDLE.
00:34:45.907 --> 00:34:47.441
THERE IS IN THE NEWTESTAMENT FOUR EPISTLES,
00:34:47.542 --> 00:34:49.677
WE CALL THEM THE PRISONEPISTLES BECAUSE THE
00:34:49.777 --> 00:34:52.480
APOSTLE WROTE THEM INPRISON CHAINED TO A ROMAN
00:34:52.580 --> 00:34:56.817
GUARD, PROBABLY WITHINEARSHOT OF THE FOOTSTEPS
00:34:56.918 --> 00:35:02.390
OF AN EXECUTIONER WHOCOULD COME AT ANY MOMENT
00:35:02.490 --> 00:35:05.526
TAKING HIM TOBE BEHEADED.
00:35:05.626 --> 00:35:09.130
SO THAT WAS THE WORLDIN WHICH THEY LIVED.
00:35:09.230 --> 00:35:11.699
THE WORLD IN WHICH THEYLIVED WAS WE'RE GONNA
00:35:11.799 --> 00:35:13.768
WORSHIP BUT WE'REGONNA HAVE TO GO
00:35:13.868 --> 00:35:15.336
DOWN IN THE CATACOMBS.
00:35:15.436 --> 00:35:16.637
THAT'S WHY THE CATACOMBSIN ROME ARE SO FAMOUS
00:35:16.737 --> 00:35:18.372
BECAUSE THEY WENTUNDERGROUND.
00:35:18.472 --> 00:35:20.608
THEY COULDN'T BE PUBLIC.
00:35:20.708 --> 00:35:22.109
THEY SAID WE'RE GONNAFIND A WAY TO SERVE ONE
00:35:22.210 --> 00:35:25.780
ANOTHER AND TO CAREFOR ONE ANOTHER.
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.249
AND IN SOME OF THE HISTORICALSTUDY OF EPIDEMICS --
00:35:28.349 --> 00:35:31.686
PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I'MNOT AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST.
00:35:31.786 --> 00:35:33.721
I'LL PROBABLY GETCORRECTED ON THIS,
00:35:33.821 --> 00:35:35.423
BUT CHRISTIANS, BECAUSETHEY WOULD SERVE IN THE
00:35:35.523 --> 00:35:38.192
EARLY OUTBREAKS OFMEASLES IN THE SECOND AND
00:35:38.292 --> 00:35:40.795
THIRD CENTURIES WERECOMMENDED BY THE
00:35:40.895 --> 00:35:43.097
GOVERNMENT BECAUSETHEY WERE THE,
00:35:43.197 --> 00:35:44.799
OR BY THE EMPEROR BECAUSETHEY WERE THE ONES WHO
00:35:44.899 --> 00:35:48.002
WOULD STILL CARE FOR THESICK WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE
00:35:48.102 --> 00:35:50.004
WAS LEAVING THE SICKON THE STREETS TO DIE,
00:35:50.104 --> 00:35:52.707
SO THEY WEREDOING GOOD THINGS.
00:35:52.807 --> 00:35:54.575
THEY WERE DOINGGOOD THINGS,
00:35:54.675 --> 00:35:56.143
AND THEY WOULD CALL THISBEING SALT AND LIGHT.
00:35:56.244 --> 00:35:59.247
SO I GUESS I'M STILLSAYING LET'S KEEP DOING
00:35:59.347 --> 00:36:03.751
THOSE GOOD THINGS, LET'SKEEP TAKING COOKIES TO
00:36:03.851 --> 00:36:06.754
THE COURTHOUSE, TAKINGFOOD TO THE POOR,
00:36:06.854 --> 00:36:09.924
AND KEEP LOVING PEOPLEAND SERVING PEOPLE,
00:36:10.024 --> 00:36:12.193
WHATEVER WAY WEFIND POSSIBLE.
00:36:12.293 --> 00:36:14.228
IT COULD COME TOTHE POINT WE HAVE TO
00:36:14.328 --> 00:36:15.696
TAKE A FIRMER STAND.
00:36:15.796 --> 00:36:17.765
- BUT I LOVE WHAT YOUSAID WHEN YOU SAID YOU
00:36:17.865 --> 00:36:20.334
CAN'T SHUT DOWNTHE CHURCH.
00:36:20.434 --> 00:36:21.802
- TRUE.
00:36:21.902 --> 00:36:23.804
- THAT'S GOD. THAT'SGOD'S CHURCH.
00:36:23.904 --> 00:36:26.574
THERE'S NO MANTHAT CAN DO THAT,
00:36:26.674 --> 00:36:29.744
SO LET THE CHURCH BE THECHURCH AND THE CHURCH OF
00:36:29.844 --> 00:36:34.415
ACTS WHICH WAS THATSMALL COMMUNITY.
00:36:34.515 --> 00:36:37.985
- IT WAS THREE CENTURIESBEFORE WE EVEN ARE SURE
00:36:38.085 --> 00:36:40.421
THERE WAS ACHURCH BUILDING.
00:36:40.521 --> 00:36:42.189
SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE IFWE CAN'T MEET IN OUR
00:36:42.290 --> 00:36:46.227
BUILDINGS, BUTMY GOODNESS,
00:36:46.327 --> 00:36:48.095
THE WORLD WAS CHANGEDWITHOUT BUILDINGS.
00:36:48.195 --> 00:36:51.232
- AND I LOVE ARTHURBLESSITT WHEN HE WAS
00:36:51.332 --> 00:36:55.670
WALKING ACROSS THE WHOLEGLOBE WITH HIS CROSS,
00:36:55.770 --> 00:36:59.974
THE LORD SPOKE TO HIM ONEDAY AND SAID MAKE YOUR
00:37:00.074 --> 00:37:03.110
VISION AND MAKE YOURMISSION ONLY AS BIG AS
00:37:03.210 --> 00:37:07.181
THE NEXT PERSON YOU SEE.AND LET THAT BE IT.
00:37:07.281 --> 00:37:12.053
JUST THE NEXTPERSON YOU SEE.
00:37:12.153 --> 00:37:14.488
- [MAX] THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
00:37:14.588 --> 00:37:15.756
- HAVE YOURMISSION BE THAT,
00:37:15.856 --> 00:37:17.224
AND IF WE ALL DID THAT,IT CHANGE THE WORLD.
00:37:17.325 --> 00:37:20.161
- [DENALYN] IT WOULD.
00:37:20.261 --> 00:37:21.595
- OKAY, I HAVE ANOTHERIMPORTANT THING TO SAY.
00:37:21.696 --> 00:37:24.932
- BRING IT ON.
00:37:25.032 --> 00:37:26.233
[LAUGHTER]
00:37:26.334 --> 00:37:28.969
- I'M GONNA SAY THATTHIS DISCUSSION,
00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:32.573
ON A SCALE OF ONE TO TENON A SWEETNESS SCALE,
00:37:32.673 --> 00:37:36.277
IS ABOUT A TEN.
00:37:36.377 --> 00:37:37.678
- PRETTY MUCHOFF THE CHART.
00:37:37.778 --> 00:37:39.480
- IN OTHER WORDS, IFYOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS ACT
00:37:39.580 --> 00:37:42.450
LIKE JESUS, YOU'RE GONNALOVE YOUR ENEMY TO THE
00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:45.386
POINT WHERE YOU TURN THEOTHER CHEEK AND YOU GO
00:37:45.486 --> 00:37:48.322
THE EXTRA MILE, AND YOUKNOW SO THAT'S WHAT
00:37:48.422 --> 00:37:50.758
YOU'RE REALLY DISCUSSING.
00:37:50.858 --> 00:37:52.860
IF I JUST TAKE EVERYTHINGTHAT YOU'VE BOTH SAID AT
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.730
FACE VALUE, I'M GONNADECLARE THEN GOD IS
00:37:55.830 --> 00:38:00.768
RESHAPING THE CHURCH,BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
00:38:00.868 --> 00:38:05.239
CHURCH DOESN'T LOOK LIKEWHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
00:38:05.339 --> 00:38:08.843
IT LOOKS LIKE BIG MASSGATHERINGS OF PEOPLE,
00:38:08.943 --> 00:38:13.314
AND THEY'RE ALL INSIDEOF AN AIR CONDITIONED
00:38:13.414 --> 00:38:16.317
BUILDING, AND GOD MIGHT BEMAKING A STATEMENT HERE.
00:38:16.417 --> 00:38:21.222
IS THAT, I MEAN I'MREVERSE DEDUCING THAT,
00:38:21.322 --> 00:38:24.158
BUT YOU'RE NODDINGAT ME AT LEAST MAX.
00:38:24.258 --> 00:38:28.896
- YES. YES. THISIS GOOD FOR US.
00:38:28.996 --> 00:38:34.668
- OKAY.
00:38:34.769 --> 00:38:35.970
- THIS IS GOOD FOR US,AND IT'S GOOD FOR US
00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:37.972
TO BE DECENTRALIZED.
00:38:38.072 --> 00:38:40.007
- IS IT A BUTTWHOOPING BY THE LORD?
00:38:40.107 --> 00:38:42.610
- CORRECTIONAL. BUTT WHOOPINGIS A CLASSIC MATT WORD.
00:38:42.710 --> 00:38:47.381
- WELL, AND YOU KNOW YOUSAY THIS IS ALL SWEET AND
00:38:47.481 --> 00:38:51.685
ALL THIS, BUT YOU KNOWWHAT, IF IT'S EXERCISED,
00:38:51.786 --> 00:38:55.356
IT'S POWERFUL BECAUSETHIS KIND OF ATTITUDE OF
00:38:55.456 --> 00:39:00.027
HUMILITY IS ONLY LEDBY THE HOLY SPIRIT,
00:39:00.127 --> 00:39:03.164
SO IT IS FULL OF POWER,SO MUCH POWER THAT IT
00:39:03.264 --> 00:39:05.966
CHANGES PEOPLE AND ITREDIRECTS WHAT THEY THINK
00:39:06.066 --> 00:39:09.770
OR WHAT THEY SEE, WHATTHEY THINK ABOUT CHRIST,
00:39:09.870 --> 00:39:12.640
SO IT SOUNDS SWEET, BUTI THINK IT'S LIKE MIGHTY
00:39:12.740 --> 00:39:17.578
AND IT'S POWERFUL.
00:39:17.678 --> 00:39:19.180
IT'S LIKE I WAS TELLINGLAURIE TODAY HOW GOD HAS
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.249
TAUGHT ME THE WAY HE'STAUGHT ME TO BATTLE WITH
00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:24.919
HIM IS IN 2 CHRONICLES20 WITH JEHOSHAPHAT.
00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:29.089
AND YOU KNOW HOWHE SAYS TO BATTLE?
00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:31.358
PRAISE AND WORSHIPAND PRAYER.
00:39:31.459 --> 00:39:34.195
WELL THAT SOUNDSSWEET, DOESN'T IT?
00:39:34.295 --> 00:39:36.230
BUT THAT IS MIGHTY ANDTHAT IS POWERFUL,
00:39:36.330 --> 00:39:39.500
AND WE WOULD RATHER PICKUP OUR SWORDS LIKE YOU
00:39:39.600 --> 00:39:41.936
SAID PETER DID, CUT THEGUY'S EAR OFF, BUT
00:39:42.036 --> 00:39:45.406
JESUS WENT NO, AND HEHEALED HIS EAR.
00:39:45.506 --> 00:39:48.409
SO IT SOUNDS SWEET BUT ITHINK IT IS THE KIND--
00:39:48.509 --> 00:39:52.713
YOU KNOW IT'S THE KINDNESSOF THE LORD THAT LEADS
00:39:52.813 --> 00:39:55.149
PEOPLE TO REPENTANCE, SOIT HAS TO BE THE KINDNESS
00:39:55.249 --> 00:39:58.886
OF HIS PEOPLE THATAWAKEN THEM TO HIM,
00:39:58.986 --> 00:40:03.891
TO WHO HE IS.
00:40:03.991 --> 00:40:06.393
- ISN'T SHE BEAUTIFUL?
00:40:06.494 --> 00:40:09.363
- I LIKE DOING THIS.
00:40:10.798 --> 00:40:12.366
[LAUGHTER]
00:40:12.466 --> 00:40:15.836
- OKAY, UM, I LIKE THETACK THAT WE'VE TAKEN.
00:40:15.936 --> 00:40:21.642
WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OFTHESE CONVERSATIONS,
00:40:21.742 --> 00:40:26.580
LAURIE AND I HAVE, ANDI'M PICKING UP SOME
00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:32.286
CONNECTED PIECES TO SOMEOF THE OTHERS THAT ARE
00:40:32.386 --> 00:40:34.622
SAYING A LOT OF THINGS,BUT WHAT ULTIMATELY WILL
00:40:34.722 --> 00:40:40.528
SWING BACK TO IS THEPERSONALIZATION
00:40:40.628 --> 00:40:43.864
OF THIS TIME.
00:40:43.964 --> 00:40:46.166
YEAH, WE MIGHT NOT BE INA PARKING LOT AND IN AN
00:40:46.267 --> 00:40:50.971
AIR CONDITIONED CHURCHAT THIS SEASON OF TIME,
00:40:51.071 --> 00:40:55.309
OR IF WE ARE THERE'SREALLY WEIRD THINGS GOING
00:40:55.409 --> 00:40:58.412
ON LIKE DISTANCING INSIDEOF THE PEWS, YOU KNOW,
00:40:58.512 --> 00:41:03.450
IT'S JUST A GAME CHANGERTO ALL OF OUR LIVES.
00:41:03.551 --> 00:41:07.688
BUT WHAT GOD MIGHT BESAYING TO THE CHURCH IS
00:41:07.788 --> 00:41:11.025
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HEMIGHT BE SAYING TO AN
00:41:11.125 --> 00:41:13.294
INDIVIDUAL. AND ATTHIS POINT IN TIME,
00:41:13.394 --> 00:41:17.097
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU,A WHOSOEVER PERSON,
00:41:17.197 --> 00:41:21.936
AND ULTIMATELY THISCOULD BE A GIFT,
00:41:22.036 --> 00:41:26.340
COVID AND THE SHUTDOWNCOULD BE A GIFT BECAUSE
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:30.311
WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ISYOU'RE NEVER GOING TO
00:41:30.411 --> 00:41:33.614
CURE LONELINESS WITHA GROUP OF PEOPLE.
00:41:33.714 --> 00:41:36.650
ONLY BY YOURRELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
00:41:36.750 --> 00:41:39.520
SO START THE PROCESS ALITTLE BIT MAX OF WINDING
00:41:39.620 --> 00:41:44.792
THIS UP, MAYBE ALMOSTCIRCLING BACK TO THE
00:41:44.892 --> 00:41:48.462
BEGINNING BECAUSE THAT'SWHAT YOU WERE KIND OF
00:41:48.562 --> 00:41:50.598
DECLARING EARLY THAT IFYOU THINK BEING IN THE
00:41:50.698 --> 00:41:55.135
MIDDLE OF A SOCIALEVENT IS THE CURE FOR
00:41:55.235 --> 00:41:58.238
LONELINESS,YOU ARE WRONG.
00:41:58.339 --> 00:42:00.908
- YEAH. YEAH.
00:42:01.008 --> 00:42:02.977
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND,I CAN TALK DIRECTLY TO
00:42:03.077 --> 00:42:05.479
PEOPLE WHO ARE LONELYBECAUSE THERE ARE MANY
00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:08.382
MANY OF YOU, AND YOU'RELISTENING IN ON THIS
00:42:08.482 --> 00:42:10.985
CONVERSATION THINKINGTHAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING
00:42:11.085 --> 00:42:13.621
THIS DISCUSSION OF CIVILDISCOURSE IN A TIME OF
00:42:13.721 --> 00:42:17.157
RELIGIOUS CONFUSION, BUTYOU'RE REALLY THINKING
00:42:17.257 --> 00:42:20.561
WHERE IS GOD?
00:42:20.661 --> 00:42:23.097
WHERE IS GOD?DOES HE CARE ABOUT ME?
00:42:23.197 --> 00:42:26.100
MY HUSBAND'S BEENDIAGNOSED WITH COVID,
00:42:26.200 --> 00:42:28.135
HE'S IN ER, OR THEY'RESHUTTING DOWN MORE PEOPLE
00:42:28.235 --> 00:42:32.406
ARE BEING LAID OFF ATWORK AND I THINK I'M NEXT.
00:42:32.506 --> 00:42:35.342
OR I'M OUT OF WORK, ANDLIKE ONE MAN TOLD ME,
00:42:35.442 --> 00:42:37.845
I'M SENDING OUT AHUNDRED RESUMES DAY,
00:42:37.945 --> 00:42:40.648
AND I'M 46 YEARS OLDAND I'VE GOT TWO KIDS,
00:42:40.748 --> 00:42:44.151
AND THIS IS NO FUN, ANDI'M A SUCCESSFUL PERSON,
00:42:44.251 --> 00:42:47.121
AND NOW I FEELLIKE A WIMP,
00:42:47.221 --> 00:42:48.822
I CAN'T PROVIDEFOR MY FAMILY,
00:42:48.922 --> 00:42:50.524
SO IT'S JUSTCOMING IN ON YOU.
00:42:50.624 --> 00:42:52.660
IT'S JUST COMING IN.
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.261
I PRAY LORD JESUS,HAVE MERCY PLEASE.
00:42:54.361 --> 00:42:57.297
HAVE MERCY PLEASE UPONTHESE PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:42:57.398 --> 00:42:59.933
STRUGGLING SO DEEPLY. ANDI WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU,
00:43:00.034 --> 00:43:03.237
BE OPEN TO THEPOSSIBILITY OF A
00:43:03.337 --> 00:43:07.007
SPIRITUAL INTERVENTION.JUST BE OPEN TO IT.
00:43:07.107 --> 00:43:10.611
THERE'S ONE OF THEMIRACLES WE TALK ABOUT IN
00:43:10.711 --> 00:43:12.479
THIS BOOK ABOUT THE BEGGARAT THE POOL OF BETHESDA.
00:43:12.579 --> 00:43:16.350
AND HE HAD BEEN LYING INTHIS AREA WHERE THE SICK
00:43:16.450 --> 00:43:21.255
GATHERED NEAR THEPOOL OF BETHESDA,
00:43:21.355 --> 00:43:23.223
AND HE HAD BEENTHERE EVERY DAY FOR
00:43:23.323 --> 00:43:24.458
39 YEARS, MAYBE 40.
00:43:24.558 --> 00:43:26.860
AND THE FIRST QUESTION OFCHRIST TO HIM WAS
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:28.696
DO YOU WANT TO GET WELL?DO YOU WANT TO GET WELL?
00:43:28.796 --> 00:43:32.800
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THATQUESTION DIDN'T NEED TO
00:43:32.900 --> 00:43:34.501
BE ANSWERED, BUTI'D LIKE TO ASK YOU,
00:43:34.601 --> 00:43:36.303
WOULD YOU LIKETO GET BETTER?
00:43:36.403 --> 00:43:37.838
WOULD YOU LIKE TOHAVE A NEW DAY,
00:43:37.938 --> 00:43:39.773
A NEW OPPORTUNITY, A NEWWAY OF LOOKING AT LIFE?
00:43:39.873 --> 00:43:42.710
IF SO, THIS ISTHE OPPORTUNITY.
00:43:42.810 --> 00:43:44.978
THIS IS THE MOMENT FORYOU TO SAY OKAY LORD,
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.648
I WANT YOU TO GOFIND A CORNER,
00:43:47.748 --> 00:43:49.383
GET ON YOUR KNEES,LIFT UP YOUR HANDS,
00:43:49.483 --> 00:43:52.853
GET OUT IN THE BACKYARD,GET IN THE CLOSET,
00:43:52.953 --> 00:43:55.189
GO SOMEWHERE ANDJUST SAY I NEED HELP,
00:43:55.289 --> 00:43:57.925
I NEED SOMEBODYTO TALK TO ME.
00:43:58.025 --> 00:43:59.927
AND I BELIEVE THATJESUS WILL MEET YOU,
00:44:00.027 --> 00:44:02.429
HE'LL HEAR YOU, OPENYOUR MOUTH, TALK TO HIM,
00:44:02.529 --> 00:44:04.832
OPEN YOUR BIBLE,LET HIM TALK TO YOU,
00:44:04.932 --> 00:44:08.669
AND JUST BE QUIET IN THEPRESENCE OF THE LORD.
00:44:08.769 --> 00:44:11.338
BUT PLEASE, MY LASTTHOUGHT TO YOU IS DON'T
00:44:11.438 --> 00:44:13.774
GIVE IN TO DESPAIR. DON'TGIVE IN TO DESPAIR.
00:44:13.874 --> 00:44:17.845
ALLOW GOD TO BRING YOUBACK OFF THE LEDGE.
00:44:17.945 --> 00:44:20.814
DESPAIR TURNS YOU, ITRELEASES YOU INTO THAT
00:44:20.914 --> 00:44:24.551
SINK HOLE AND IT'SHARD TO GET OUT.
00:44:24.651 --> 00:44:27.087
BELIEVE THAT A GOOD GODIS WATCHING YOU AND CARING
00:44:27.187 --> 00:44:29.623
FOR YOU, AND HE'S GONNAHELP YOU GET THROUGH THIS.
00:44:29.723 --> 00:44:33.594
- A DIRECTOR WHO CALLSACTION AND STARTS A MOVIE
00:44:33.694 --> 00:44:38.932
SCENE DETERMINES WHERETHE CAMERA GOES.
00:44:39.032 --> 00:44:41.802
AND I FIND IT INTERESTINGWHAT HAPPENED AT THE
00:44:41.902 --> 00:44:44.037
VERY BEGINNING OFTHIS BROADCAST.
00:44:44.138 --> 00:44:45.973
I KIND OF SAID HELLO, ANDTHEN LAURIE JUMPED IN,
00:44:46.073 --> 00:44:49.009
AND THEN DENALYN JUMPED IN,AND THIS STARTED OUT WITH
00:44:49.109 --> 00:44:52.780
THIS KIND OF FEEL THAT WEWERE GONNA TALK ABOUT
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.552
A PANDEMIC IN AVERY UNIQUE WAY.
00:44:58.652 --> 00:45:01.655
AND IF I THINK BACK OVERTHE LAST 40 SOMETHING
00:45:01.755 --> 00:45:05.225
MINUTES, THERE IS ADECLARATION BEING MADE BY
00:45:05.325 --> 00:45:11.231
THE LUCADOS, WHO AREHERE WITH US IN WESTERN
00:45:11.331 --> 00:45:14.001
COLORADO, THAT HUMILITYIS REALLY STRENGTH,
00:45:14.101 --> 00:45:18.772
HUMILITY IS REALLY POWER,THAT CHANGE REALLY COMES
00:45:18.872 --> 00:45:22.776
FROM NOT WINNING ACONVERSATION BUT SERVING,
00:45:22.876 --> 00:45:27.815
AND INSIDE OFA COVID SEASON,
00:45:27.915 --> 00:45:31.118
DID THAT COMENATURALLY TO YOU BOTH?
00:45:31.218 --> 00:45:34.721
DENALYN, IT DID TO YOU.
00:45:34.822 --> 00:45:36.690
YOU STARTED THIS WHOLESHOW BY SAYING SOMETHING
00:45:36.790 --> 00:45:39.827
LIKE I STARTED TO ASSESSWHAT IS GOD SAYING?
00:45:39.927 --> 00:45:43.597
NOT A LOT OFPEOPLE DID THAT.
00:45:43.697 --> 00:45:45.699
MAX, DID YOU OR DID YOUHAVE TO LISTEN TO HER?
00:45:45.799 --> 00:45:47.568
- I ALWAYSLISTEN TO DENALYN.
00:45:47.668 --> 00:45:49.236
I TAKE MY CUESFROM MY WIFE.
00:45:49.336 --> 00:45:50.838
- BUT DID YOU NATURALLYSAY THAT INSIDE YOURSELF
00:45:50.938 --> 00:45:54.174
OR DID YOU HAVETO COME TO THAT?
00:45:54.274 --> 00:45:56.176
- WELL, THAT WAS ANEARLY CONVERSATION WE HAD
00:45:56.276 --> 00:45:59.146
LAST MARCH. WE WEREBOTH TALKING ABOUT
00:45:59.246 --> 00:46:02.082
NOW WHAT'S GOD UP TO?
00:46:02.182 --> 00:46:03.851
THERE'S GOT TOBE SOMETHING.
00:46:03.951 --> 00:46:05.018
- FOR REAL.
00:46:05.118 --> 00:46:06.453
OKAY, SO THAT'S YOURNATURAL WAY TO START
00:46:06.553 --> 00:46:09.656
ASSESSING SITUATIONS,GOD WHAT ARE YOU SAYING,
00:46:09.756 --> 00:46:12.459
BECAUSE NOT A LOTOF PEOPLE SAID GOD,
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.461
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. THEY SAIDDEVIL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING,
00:46:14.561 --> 00:46:17.030
NOT GOD WHATARE YOU SAYING.
00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:19.366
- WE DIDN'T GO THERE. WEDIDN'T GO TO THE DEVIL.
00:46:19.466 --> 00:46:21.435
WE BELIEVE JESUSHAS ALL AUTHORITY,
00:46:21.535 --> 00:46:24.805
AND THAT WE DON'TUNDERSTAND EVERYTHING
00:46:24.905 --> 00:46:26.173
THAT HE DOES, BUT HEDOESN'T LET ANYTHING
00:46:26.273 --> 00:46:27.741
HAPPEN THAT'S NOTULTIMATELY GOOD FOR US AS
00:46:27.841 --> 00:46:29.910
WE, TO THE DEGREE WE REMAININ SUBMISSION TO HIM.
00:46:30.010 --> 00:46:33.247
- BUT A LOT OF BADTHINGS HAPPENED IN COVID.
00:46:33.347 --> 00:46:36.550
- [MAX] NO DOUBT.
00:46:36.650 --> 00:46:38.085
- BUT YOU WERE ABLE TOSTART PROCESSING THIS
00:46:38.185 --> 00:46:42.055
INFORMATION OF DAILYBRIEFINGS AT THE WHITE
00:46:42.155 --> 00:46:45.292
HOUSE, AND DOCTORFAUCI, AND ALL THE,
00:46:45.392 --> 00:46:49.029
WE ALL EXPERIENCEDIT ALL TOGETHER.
00:46:49.129 --> 00:46:51.732
WE'RE HAVING TO WATCH THENEWS TO SEE IF WE WERE
00:46:51.832 --> 00:46:54.835
GONNA BE ABLE TOTRAVEL THIS WEEKEND,
00:46:54.935 --> 00:46:57.537
OR IF THERE WAS GONNABE A TRAVEL BAN,
00:46:57.638 --> 00:47:00.407
NOT JUST FROM ASIA OREUROPE OR OTHER PLACES,
00:47:00.507 --> 00:47:03.277
BUT EVEN STATE TO STATE,THAT WAS A THING THAT
00:47:03.377 --> 00:47:05.846
WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT.
00:47:05.946 --> 00:47:07.481
SO WE'RE ALLWATCHING THE NEWS.
00:47:07.581 --> 00:47:09.116
SO I'M HERE THINKING MAN,I DON'T THINK I WAS GOING
00:47:09.216 --> 00:47:13.120
GOD, WHAT ARE YOUSAYING INITIALLY.
00:47:13.220 --> 00:47:15.789
I JUST DON'T THINKI WAS DOING THAT.
00:47:15.889 --> 00:47:18.458
AND YOU DIDTHAT NATURALLY.
00:47:18.558 --> 00:47:19.693
- YOU WEREN'T?- I DON'T THINK SO.
00:47:19.793 --> 00:47:21.828
- WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:23.230
- I DON'T THINKYOU WERE EITHER.
00:47:23.330 --> 00:47:25.599
SHE PROBABLY GOTMAD FIRST THEN.
00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:28.568
- THAT'S NOT TRUE.
00:47:28.669 --> 00:47:30.470
- HOW DO YOU GET SOMEONETO START THINKING ABOUT A
00:47:30.570 --> 00:47:36.176
SEASON WHEN THEYLOST THEIR JOB,
00:47:36.276 --> 00:47:38.211
THEY'RE PUTTING OUT AHUNDRED RESUMES A DAY,
00:47:38.312 --> 00:47:40.280
THAT'S A BIG JUMP IN SOMEPEOPLE'S MINDS, MAX.
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:45.319
- I GOT YOU. I GOT YOU.
00:47:45.419 --> 00:47:48.722
WELL, THE BIG WORDHERE IS SOVEREIGNTY.
00:47:48.822 --> 00:47:53.327
THAT'S THE TWO DOLLARTERM THE BIBLE USES TO
00:47:53.427 --> 00:47:55.996
DESCRIBE THE GOD WHO NOTONLY CREATED THE UNIVERSE
00:47:56.096 --> 00:47:58.332
BUT SUSTAINS THEUNIVERSE, RIGHT?
00:47:58.432 --> 00:48:01.535
IF THERE IS NOSOVEREIGN GOD,
00:48:01.635 --> 00:48:03.270
WE'RE ALL IN TROUBLE.
00:48:03.370 --> 00:48:04.838
IF THERE IS NOSOVEREIGN GOD,
00:48:04.938 --> 00:48:06.606
WE'RE ALL WEATHER VANESWHIPPED ABOUT BY WINDS OF
00:48:06.707 --> 00:48:09.176
FATE AND WHO KNOWSWHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
00:48:09.276 --> 00:48:11.812
BUT IF THERE ISA SOVEREIGN GOD,
00:48:11.912 --> 00:48:13.981
AS THE SCRIPTURE TEACHES,THE BIBLE CALLS HIM THE
00:48:14.081 --> 00:48:17.551
BLESSED CONTROLLEROF ALL THINGS.
00:48:17.651 --> 00:48:19.820
I LOVE THAT PHRASE.
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:21.088
THE BLESSED CONTROLLEROF ALL THINGS.
00:48:21.188 --> 00:48:22.689
- ALL THINGS.
00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:23.824
- ALL THINGS. EVEN THISCONVERSATION TODAY THAT
00:48:23.924 --> 00:48:26.927
WE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHTWAS GONNA GO ONE WAY,
00:48:27.027 --> 00:48:28.862
HE PROMPTED TO GOA DIFFERENT WAY.
00:48:28.962 --> 00:48:30.664
THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY.
00:48:30.764 --> 00:48:32.766
NOW, IT DOESN'T MEANEVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA
00:48:32.866 --> 00:48:34.501
COME OUR WAY ISGONNA BE EASY,
00:48:34.601 --> 00:48:36.570
BUT IT DOES MEANEVERYTHING THAT COMES OUR
00:48:36.670 --> 00:48:38.939
WAY IS WITHIN THE PURVIEWOF A GOOD AND LOVING GOD
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.475
WHO WILL TAKE THATAND USE IT FOR GOOD.
00:48:41.575 --> 00:48:43.543
REMEMBER IT'S NOT ABOUTNOW AND IT'S NOT ABOUT US.
00:48:43.643 --> 00:48:47.180
IT'S ALL ABOUT HEAVENAND IT'S ALL ABOUT GOD.
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.349
SO THERE WILL BETIMES OF TESTING.
00:48:49.449 --> 00:48:51.151
HE PROMISED THAT.
00:48:51.251 --> 00:48:52.652
BUT HE HASOVERCOME THE WORLD.
00:48:52.753 --> 00:48:54.388
SO WE'RE GONNA TRUST HIMAND LEAN INTO HIM AND SAY
00:48:54.488 --> 00:48:56.823
GOD, HOW CAN I BESTRESPOND DURING THIS SEASON?
00:48:56.923 --> 00:48:59.493
- [LAURIE] BEAUTIFUL.
00:48:59.593 --> 00:49:01.294
- AND MAY I?
00:49:01.395 --> 00:49:04.965
AND, UM, MAYBE I'VESOUNDED BOLD TODAY BUT,
00:49:05.065 --> 00:49:11.271
ONE OF THE THINGS IDEAL WITH IS FEAR,
00:49:11.371 --> 00:49:15.842
SO I HAVE TO GO TO GOD'SWORD TO HELP ME WITH THAT
00:49:15.942 --> 00:49:21.214
AND LEAD ME WITH THAT.
00:49:21.314 --> 00:49:22.682
SO EARLY ON IN THIS,I WENT TO PSALM 91.
00:49:22.783 --> 00:49:26.153
HE WHO DWELLS IN THESHELTER OF THE MOST HIGH
00:49:26.253 --> 00:49:28.755
WILL REST IN THE SHADOWOF THE LORD ALMIGHTY.
00:49:28.855 --> 00:49:32.225
HE WILL SAY OF THE LORDHE IS MY REFUGE AND MY
00:49:32.325 --> 00:49:36.029
FORTRESS, MY GODIN WHOM I TRUST.
00:49:36.129 --> 00:49:39.132
SURELY HE WILL SAVE MEFROM THE FOWLER'S SNARE
00:49:39.232 --> 00:49:42.569
AND FROM THEDEADLY PESTILENCE.
00:49:42.669 --> 00:49:45.972
SO I EARLY ON JUST HAD TOGO THERE, LIKE, I HAD TO,
00:49:46.073 --> 00:49:52.479
HE'S OUR HIDING PLACE.
00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:54.614
LIKE I HAD TO GOTO MY HIDING PLACE,
00:49:54.714 --> 00:49:57.017
AND I HAD TODECLARE WHO HE IS.
00:49:57.117 --> 00:49:59.453
AND THE PROMISES HEMAKES IN PSALM 91,
00:49:59.553 --> 00:50:03.023
EVEN THE ONE WHERE HESAYS HE'LL COMMAND ANGELS
00:50:03.123 --> 00:50:05.425
CONCERNING US TO GUARD USIN ALL OUR WAYS AND HOLD
00:50:05.525 --> 00:50:08.662
US UP IN THEIR HANDS,THAT WE NOT STRIKE OUR
00:50:08.762 --> 00:50:11.998
FOOT AGAINST A STONE, THECOVID VIRUS OR FEAR OR
00:50:12.099 --> 00:50:16.570
DESPAIR ORSUICIDAL THOUGHTS.
00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:19.573
IT HAS TO BE SO IHAD TO RUN TO HIM,
00:50:19.673 --> 00:50:24.177
MY STRONG TOWER. HEWILL SHELTER US.
00:50:24.277 --> 00:50:26.680
HE WILL HIDE US.
00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:28.215
HE'LL SPEAK TO OUR HEARTSAND OUR SPIRITS THAT NEED
00:50:28.315 --> 00:50:32.219
DEEP THINGS INA HARD TIME.
00:50:32.319 --> 00:50:35.088
SO WE HAVE TO GO TO HIM.
00:50:35.188 --> 00:50:37.390
- GOOD WORD. WE NEED DEEPTHINGS IN A HARD TIME. YEAH.
00:50:37.491 --> 00:50:40.827
- WOULD YOU PRAY?
00:50:40.927 --> 00:50:43.730
- I WILL. I WILL.
00:50:43.830 --> 00:50:45.832
LORD, I BLESS YOU IN THENAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
00:50:45.932 --> 00:50:48.268
I BLESS YOU FOR THEWONDERFUL TBN FAMILY,
00:50:48.368 --> 00:50:51.238
TO WHOM WE TURN SO OFTENFOR STRENGTH AND BLESSING.
00:50:51.338 --> 00:50:55.475
WE THANK YOU FOR THEWORK THAT TBN DOES IN
00:50:55.575 --> 00:50:59.546
TOUCHING HEARTS ALL OVERTHE WORLD, NO EXCEPTION,
00:50:59.646 --> 00:51:04.117
ALL OVER THE WORLD.WE THANK YOU.
00:51:04.217 --> 00:51:06.753
I THANK YOU FOR MATT ANDI THANK YOU FOR LAURIE,
00:51:06.853 --> 00:51:09.789
I THANK YOU FOR THE WAYTHEY PUT THEMSELVES IN
00:51:09.890 --> 00:51:12.559
POSITION POSTURE EVERYSINGLE DAY OF THEIR LIVES.
00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:16.029
WHAT WORK THEY DO.
00:51:16.129 --> 00:51:18.165
WHAT WORK THEY DO LORDTHAT 99 PERCENT OF US
00:51:18.265 --> 00:51:21.468
KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
00:51:21.568 --> 00:51:23.470
STRENGTHEN AND BLESSTHEM PLEASE OH, LORD.
00:51:23.570 --> 00:51:26.640
AND WE PRAY FORYOUR CHURCH TODAY.
00:51:26.740 --> 00:51:29.576
I PRAY HEAVENLY FATHERTHAT THOSE WHO HEARD THIS
00:51:29.676 --> 00:51:32.679
CONVERSATION BUTDISAGREED WOULD NOT TAKE
00:51:32.779 --> 00:51:34.648
OFFENSE BUT WE COULDCONTINUE TO WORK
00:51:34.748 --> 00:51:37.284
TOGETHER, THAT YOU WOULDHUMBLE YOUR CHURCH THAT
00:51:37.384 --> 00:51:40.086
WE COULD BE IN A POSTUREOF JESUS IN OUR COUNTRY,
00:51:40.187 --> 00:51:43.557
OR AROUND THE WORLDSERVING OTHERS.
00:51:43.657 --> 00:51:47.794
WE DO PRAY FOR AVACCINE, FATHER.
00:51:47.894 --> 00:51:50.030
WE PRAY FOR ABREAK THROUGH.
00:51:50.130 --> 00:51:51.665
WE PRAY FOR HEALING FORTHOSE WHO RIGHT NOW ARE
00:51:51.765 --> 00:51:53.800
NEARING DEATH.
00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:55.569
WE PRAY FOR YOUR HEALINGTOUCH TO BE UPON THEM.
00:51:55.669 --> 00:51:58.538
WE PRAY FOROUR PRESIDENT,
00:51:58.638 --> 00:52:00.207
FOR OUR VICE PRESIDENT,FOR ALL THOSE IN
00:52:00.307 --> 00:52:02.375
POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY.
00:52:02.475 --> 00:52:04.277
FOR EVERY MAYOR, EVERYGOVERNOR WHO HAS BEEN
00:52:04.377 --> 00:52:06.780
PLACED IN A POSTURE OFMAKING DIFFICULT CHOICES.
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.849
WE PRAY FOR PASTORS.
00:52:09.950 --> 00:52:11.918
GIVE ALL OF THEMSTRENGTH AND WISDOM.
00:52:12.018 --> 00:52:14.154
WE BLESS YOU NOW LORD, INTHE NAME OF JESUS. AMEN.
00:52:14.254 --> 00:52:17.891
- AMEN.
00:52:17.991 --> 00:52:20.026
- I HAVE A FEELING THISSHOW IS GONNA BE ONE OF
00:52:20.126 --> 00:52:21.795
THOSE SHOWS THAT GETWATCHED MORE THAN ONCE
00:52:21.895 --> 00:52:24.698
BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUTA LOT OF STUFF IN THIS,
00:52:24.798 --> 00:52:28.969
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ITIN A PRETTY UNIQUE WAY.
00:52:29.069 --> 00:52:33.540
I THINK IF I'M GONNAREMEMBER THIS BROADCAST,
00:52:33.640 --> 00:52:38.511
I'M GONNA REMEMBERA COUPLE OF THINGS.
00:52:38.612 --> 00:52:41.314
THE HUMILITY STATEMENTTHAT IS REALLY MORE POWER
00:52:41.414 --> 00:52:45.285
AND THEN YOU JUST SAID ATSOME POINT YOU WENT LIKE
00:52:45.385 --> 00:52:48.688
THIS, YOU SHIFTEDIN YOUR SEAT,
00:52:48.788 --> 00:52:52.392
AND YOU KIND OFDID LIKE THIS,
00:52:52.492 --> 00:52:53.960
AND YOU WENT THERE'S AWORD CALLED SOVEREIGNTY.
00:52:54.060 --> 00:52:57.464
SO AT SOME POINT WHATYOU'RE REALLY PUTTING THE
00:52:57.564 --> 00:53:00.567
EXCLAMATION ON THISSEASON OF COVID IS THERE
00:53:00.667 --> 00:53:03.870
IS A GOD AND HE KNEW THISWAS COMING, AND YOU JUST,
00:53:03.970 --> 00:53:11.211
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHINGABOUT THAT.
00:53:11.311 --> 00:53:12.979
- THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.048
THERE IS ALORD IN HEAVEN.
00:53:15.148 --> 00:53:16.650
THERE IS ALORD IN HEAVEN.
00:53:16.750 --> 00:53:17.984
THAT WAS ISAIAH.
00:53:18.084 --> 00:53:19.686
YOU KNOW, WHENKING UZZIAH DIED,
00:53:19.786 --> 00:53:22.188
THAT WASDEVASTATION TO HIM.
00:53:22.289 --> 00:53:24.090
KING UZZIAH HAD BEEN KINGFOR 40 YEARS AND WASN'T A
00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:27.227
GODLY MAN, BUT HE KEPTTHE ENEMIES AT BAY.
00:53:27.327 --> 00:53:29.796
ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEWORLD WAS THROWN UP,
00:53:29.896 --> 00:53:31.464
HIS WORLD AS HE KNEW IT,UZZIAH'S WORLD WAS THROWN
00:53:31.564 --> 00:53:33.900
UPSIDE-DOWN, BUT HE SAIDI LOOKED INTO THE HEAVENS
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.202
AND THERE WAS AGOD ON THE THRONE.
00:53:36.303 --> 00:53:38.538
SO THE MESSAGE FROM GODWAS HE WAS STILL ON THE
00:53:38.638 --> 00:53:40.807
THRONE. HE'S ON THETHRONE RIGHT NOW.
00:53:40.907 --> 00:53:43.176
HE'S ON THETHRONE RIGHT NOW.
00:53:43.276 --> 00:53:45.011
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BETHAT LONG BEFORE WE GET
00:53:45.111 --> 00:53:46.446
TO SEE HIM IN PERSON.
00:53:46.546 --> 00:53:48.581
- BUT HE'SWATCHING OVER US,
00:53:48.682 --> 00:53:50.016
AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY ISTO DWELL ON HIS LOVE FOR US.
00:53:50.116 --> 00:53:56.323
THAT CURES LONELINESS.
00:53:56.423 --> 00:53:58.692
- [MAX] ABSOLUTELY.
00:53:58.792 --> 00:54:00.727
- SO WE CAN'T TRY TOCONJURE UP A LOVE FOR GOD.
00:54:00.827 --> 00:54:03.863
JUST DWELL ONHIS LOVE FOR US.
00:54:03.963 --> 00:54:05.665
- [MAX] LET HIM LOVE YOU.
00:54:05.765 --> 00:54:06.866
- AND THAT'S WHENYOU'RE NEVER ALONE.
00:54:06.966 --> 00:54:09.502
- YEAH, YEAH.
00:54:09.602 --> 00:54:11.304
WE SAY LET GOD LOVEYOU, LET GOD SAVE YOU,
00:54:11.404 --> 00:54:15.375
LET GOD HEAL YOU,LET GOD HELP YOU,
00:54:15.475 --> 00:54:18.578
AND THEN LETGOD HOLD YOU.
00:54:18.678 --> 00:54:20.280
IT'S JUST, WE JUSTLET GOD DO HIS WORK.
00:54:20.380 --> 00:54:22.949
- AND WE HAVE MORETIME TO DO THAT NOW.
00:54:23.049 --> 00:54:25.452
- WE DO.
00:54:25.552 --> 00:54:26.786
- YES, WE DO.
00:54:26.886 --> 00:54:28.888
- SOME OF US AREN'TDRIVING INTO THE OFFICE.
00:54:28.988 --> 00:54:31.825
- THAT'S RIGHT.
00:54:31.925 --> 00:54:32.926
- LET GOD LOVE YOU.
00:54:33.026 --> 00:54:34.127
OKAY, YOU'RE NEVER ALONE.GET THE BOOK.
00:54:34.227 --> 00:54:35.962
IT'S AVAILABLERIGHT NOW WHEREVER,
00:54:36.062 --> 00:54:38.064
HIS WEBSITE ORAMAZON OR WHEREVER.
00:54:38.164 --> 00:54:41.468
AND JOIN THE 140 MILLIONCLUB OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE
00:54:41.568 --> 00:54:47.073
BOUGHT HIS BOOKS.
00:54:47.173 --> 00:54:49.109
140 MILLION.
00:54:49.209 --> 00:54:50.944
- [MAX] YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.
00:54:51.044 --> 00:54:52.445
- YOU'RE NEVER ALONE.
00:54:52.545 --> 00:54:53.546
THANK YOU MAX.THANK YOU DENALYN.
00:54:53.646 --> 00:54:55.081
AMAZING DISCUSSION.WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
00:54:55.181 --> 00:54:57.150
[MUSIC]
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