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Leon Fontaine hosts Joseph Prince in Singapore.

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  • - female announcer: Tonight
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  • from Singapore, senior pastor
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  • of New Creation Church,
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  • Joseph Prince.
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  • Hosted by senior pastor of
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  • Springs Church, Leon Fontaine.
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  • - announcer: Joseph Prince
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  • and Leon Fontaine are impacting
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  • lives from all corners
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  • of the globe.
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  • Making up two of the four
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  • Pillars for Life of the Trinity
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  • Broadcasting Network with
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  • Joseph Prince representing grace
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  • and Leon Fontaine representing
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  • spirit contemporary.
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  • Both Joseph and Leon are opening
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  • up a conversation, preaching the
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  • gospel of grace, setting people
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  • free from a life of sin, guilt,
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  • and condemnation, and enabling
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  • believers to change the world
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  • around them through
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  • the Holy Spirit.
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  • Here on "Praise,"
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  • - Leon Fontaine: It's so good
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  • to have you with us here on
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  • "Praise," and my guest today is
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  • Joseph Prince, a well-known
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  • figure here at TBN and around
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  • the world.
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  • And it's great to have
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  • you with me, Joseph.
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  • - Joseph Prince: Thanks for
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  • having me, Leon.
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  • I think, a great conversation
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  • around a favorite topic of mine
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  • and of yours.
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  • And it's this message of grace.
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  • And as we dive into it, I think
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  • the first thing, for those who
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  • maybe haven't heard you yet, is
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  • why did it radically change
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  • your life?
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  • What--where were you when this
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  • - Joseph: You know, my
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  • background is what we call the
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  • Word of faith, just like yours,
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  • I understand, is the same.
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  • But I got my spiritual teeth cut
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  • on E.W. Kenyon's books,
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  • you know, Don Gossett,
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  • and Charles Capps,
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  • brother--dad Hagin.
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  • I'm blessed by those teachings,
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  • okay?
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  • it's just that they taught
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  • on righteousness very well.
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  • I mean, clear, you know?
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  • Kenyon did very well.
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  • I remember he has this book
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  • called "The Two Kinds of
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  • Righteousness," all right?
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  • Just looking at the title, in
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  • those days we didn't have access
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  • to all his books so I look at
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  • the title, the contents
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  • at the back.
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  • "The Two Kinds of
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  • Righteousness."
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  • I said, "Wow, I
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  • didn't even know there are two
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  • kinds of righteousness,"
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  • you know?
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  • Just looking at the title, I had
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  • a revelation, you know?
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  • There was birthed in me a desire
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  • to find out what is this
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  • righteousness and why are there
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  • two kinds of righteousness, long
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  • before I had his book.
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  • And then, turned out later on,
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  • even though the teaching is
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  • good, it's well and fine, but
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  • maybe the way I perceive it and
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  • majority of us, where we are
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  • very sin conscious, what happens
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  • when you sin?
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  • Are you still righteous, right?
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  • So that is the question that was
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  • never answered, all right?
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  • And it seems that many of these
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  • wonderful ministers and all
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  • that, they don't have a problem
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  • with sin.
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  • They don't seem to have
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  • a problem--they just moved on.
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  • You know, sometimes I hear,
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  • like, you gotta confess your sin
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  • specifically.
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  • But for them, it's just like,
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  • "Lord, I missed it," and then
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  • they move on.
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  • But "missed it" is not
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  • actually--you know, I could
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  • argue about that but they don't
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  • have that sin consciousness that
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  • I was suffering from and under
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  • a cloud of condemnation all
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  • the time.
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  • And it robbed me of being able
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  • to pray for people freely.
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  • Every time, before I pray for
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  • the sick, these thoughts were
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  • bombarding my mind.
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  • Have you confessed all your
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  • sins, you know, and being that
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  • I'm more sensitive, all right,
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  • I have a scrupulous conscience,
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  • all right, it's almost like,
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  • even your thoughts go awry, you
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  • need to confess that.
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  • Or if I'm talking to you and I
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  • feel that I've just exaggerated,
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  • that's sin, lying, you know?
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  • So I do not know why when I look
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  • around me, believers are just
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  • enjoying themself and they are
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  • not even conscious.
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  • They believe in confession of
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  • sin but they're not confessing
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  • their sins all the time.
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  • So I figured if one--if one sin
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  • unconfessed, as what has been
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  • taught, can pull you out of
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  • fellowship, man, I'm out of
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  • fellowship all the time.
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  • So I think that stopped me on
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  • the journey to find out what is
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  • grace and are we forgiven or are
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  • we not?
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  • Is this a doubletalk?
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  • We are forgiven judicially but
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  • we are not forgiven
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  • experientially until we confess?
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  • And that got me on the journey
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  • because I was confessing my sins
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  • all the time, and I nearly lost
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  • my mind.
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  • That's debatable.
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  • Some people believe that I've
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  • lost my mind.
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  • - Leon: Well, you know, I was
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  • raised much the similar way
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  • because I always felt like, you
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  • know, what is it, like, do I get
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  • saved?
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  • Do I have to get rededicated?
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  • Every time there was an altar
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  • call at camp I would go to the
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  • front, you know, and I'd get
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  • rededicated but I didn't know
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  • what rededicated meant.
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  • You know, am I in, out, in, out?
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  • I'm rededicated.
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  • I got rededicated so many times
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  • I lost track.
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  • - Joseph: And it afflicts only
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  • those who are sincere, those who
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  • want a real, you know, walk
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  • with God.
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  • - Leon: Yeah, I was taught so
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  • much about pride, and it was
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  • just always grilled into us and
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  • grilled into us.
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  • And so you just were convinced
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  • that you were always--any kind
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  • of success would be pride.
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  • To be confident would be
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  • to be proud.
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  • To smile too much, to talk
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  • too much, you were proud.
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  • And then lots of people would
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  • always tell people, like me,
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  • you're proud, you're being
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  • proud.
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  • And so, you know, I can relate
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  • in a way where you're raised
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  • where you just never know, and
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  • am I in, am I out, am I
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  • forgiven, am I not forgiven?
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  • Do I have to confess it and what
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  • if I don't confess the sin and
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  • Jesus was to come back?
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  • - Joseph: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  • and you are--
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  • - Leon: I'm gonna miss him
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  • for sure.
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  • - Joseph: You're watching a
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  • movie, all right, and you're not
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  • ready when the trumpet calls.
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  • We--I think we are going through
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  • the--we have gone through the
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  • same experience.
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  • - Leon: I think a lot of the
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  • body of Christ has.
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  • So you beautifully experienced
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  • and began this journey of
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  • understanding grace.
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  • And I'm so glad you did because
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  • today, I mean, your ministry is
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  • touching the world.
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  • And we were chatting off camera
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  • yesterday, I think, and one of
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  • the things I mentioned to you
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  • that is so exciting to me is
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  • that many authors will write as
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  • teachers, bookwriters, et
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  • cetera, but when someone writes
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  • as a pastor and then preaches
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  • what they write and then has
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  • a church that is growing and
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  • healthy, that is a great
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  • testimony.
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  • You know, in the drug trade
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  • they say, "It's smoking
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  • what you sell," okay?
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  • And so you're preaching what
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  • you've learned when you--
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  • - Joseph: I'm learning from
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  • you, I'm learning from you.
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  • - Leon: So everything that you
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  • are preaching and teaching to
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  • your people has a chance to bear
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  • fruit and year after
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  • year after year.
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  • And from what I've seen,
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  • and meeting your team when I
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  • was with you guys in Israel and
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  • other times I've had a chance
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  • to talk to your pastors,
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  • it's been exciting to see
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  • what God is doing there.
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  • If I was to ask you, "What would
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  • be a quick definition of grace,"
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  • what would you say?
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  • - Joseph: Undeserved,
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  • unmerited favor.
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  • And the Scripture for that would
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  • be in Romans 11, verse 6,
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  • where it says: "It is by grace;
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  • it is no more of works.
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  • Otherwise grace
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  • is no more grace.
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  • If it be by works, it's
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  • no more grace, otherwise works
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  • is no more works."
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  • And it somehow, you
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  • know, today there's a new
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  • definition of grace, instead
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  • of a scriptural definition.
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  • And I think the Amplified Bible
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  • got it right.
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  • Every time it mentions grace,
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  • it has in its parenthesis,
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  • "unmerited favor."
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  • And now, it's been taught like
  • 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.200
  • grace is an empowerment, right?
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  • But grace produces empowerment.
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  • But it cannot be defined
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  • as empowerment.
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  • It needs to be experienced as
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  • undeserved, unmerited favor.
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  • When one is in its most
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  • undeserving state and
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  • he experiences favor from God,
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  • like the prodigal son when he
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  • came home, it shut his mouth.
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  • He could not say, "Make me
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  • one of your hired servants."
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  • That was a rehearsed speech
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  • that he made.
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  • He never got to that point.
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  • The father says,
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  • "Bring forth the best robe.
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  • Put a ring on his finger.
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  • Put shoes on his feet."
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  • Look, Moses--
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  • God told Moses--one of
  • 00:07:55.030 --> 00:07:56.090
  • the first things God told Moses:
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  • "Don't come near
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  • the burning bush."
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  • The prodigal son,
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  • the father says,
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  • "Stay where you are.
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  • I'm gonna run near to you,"
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  • all right?
  • 00:08:06.210 --> 00:08:07.110
  • And one of the first things God
  • 00:08:07.110 --> 00:08:08.200
  • told Moses, "Take off the shoes.
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  • The place you're
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  • standing is holy."
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  • The prodigal son's story,
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  • the father says,
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  • "Put shoes on his feet.
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  • He has a right to stand
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  • in my presence."
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  • A boy who is undeserving,
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  • who literally told
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  • his dad, "Drop dead.
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  • I can't wait for you
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  • to drop dead."
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  • - Leon: Yeah, that's
  • 00:08:24.130 --> 00:08:25.030
  • what he told him.
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  • - Joseph: Right?
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  • And here, the contrast between
  • 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:28.020
  • the law and grace is so clear in
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  • the Old Testament,
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  • New Testament,
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  • under Moses and under Christ.
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  • And Christ was the one that
  • 00:08:33.190 --> 00:08:34.120
  • shared the story
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  • of the prodigal son.
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  • And it's when you experience
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  • undeserved favor that it
  • 00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:40.100
  • empowers you to live
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  • that overcoming, victorious,
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  • holy life, if you would.
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  • - Leon: It's like--it's like
  • 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:46.080
  • feeling this incredible peace.
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  • There's no more condemnation.
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  • There--it's no longer up
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  • to you to in any way earn
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  • what God has done.
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  • This--a lot of people will--
  • 00:08:55.280 --> 00:08:58.280
  • 'cause grace itself has
  • 00:08:58.280 --> 00:09:00.150
  • always been a hot topic.
  • 00:09:00.150 --> 00:09:01.270
  • Even Paul, the guy who got
  • 00:09:01.270 --> 00:09:03.210
  • did nothing but have to defend
  • 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.130
  • and teach it every place
  • 00:09:08.130 --> 00:09:10.020
  • he went.
  • 00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:11.130
  • And when we talk about the cross
  • 00:09:11.130 --> 00:09:13.180
  • and I've heard you mention the
  • 00:09:13.180 --> 00:09:14.190
  • cross, why is the cross
  • 00:09:14.190 --> 00:09:16.090
  • so important?
  • 00:09:16.090 --> 00:09:18.090
  • You have to go back, basically,
  • 00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:20.020
  • to that cross
  • 00:09:20.020 --> 00:09:21.090
  • and understand grace.
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  • Talk to me about that.
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  • - Joseph: Yeah, you see, when
  • 00:09:23.130 --> 00:09:24.150
  • we touch on grace and God is--
  • 00:09:24.150 --> 00:09:26.290
  • in these last days, I believe
  • 00:09:26.290 --> 00:09:29.030
  • God is really restoring
  • 00:09:29.030 --> 00:09:30.250
  • the gospel of grace.
  • 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:31.290
  • And every time God restores
  • 00:09:31.290 --> 00:09:34.030
  • a truth, there is controversy,
  • 00:09:34.030 --> 00:09:35.270
  • there's always people opposing
  • 00:09:35.270 --> 00:09:38.190
  • violently before
  • 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:40.070
  • it's accepted as commonplace.
  • 00:09:40.070 --> 00:09:42.240
  • Like speaking in tongues,
  • 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.220
  • the baptism, the Holy Spirit,
  • 00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:45.020
  • you know what happened in
  • 00:09:45.020 --> 00:09:46.010
  • how he was being opposed.
  • 00:09:48.030 --> 00:09:49.150
  • And now it's, like, you know,
  • 00:09:49.150 --> 00:09:50.290
  • people accepting it, although
  • 00:09:50.290 --> 00:09:52.100
  • there are still a few branches,
  • 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:53.250
  • you know, in--that,
  • 00:09:53.250 --> 00:09:54.230
  • but more or less it's received.
  • 00:09:54.230 --> 00:09:55.250
  • And when God restored the truth,
  • 00:09:55.250 --> 00:09:58.010
  • though, he wants to supply
  • 00:09:58.010 --> 00:09:59.010
  • your needs, that was opposed,
  • 00:09:59.010 --> 00:10:01.090
  • all right?
  • 00:10:01.090 --> 00:10:01.290
  • And it's nothing more than
  • 00:10:01.290 --> 00:10:02.200
  • restoration so God is restoring
  • 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.050
  • the gospel of grace, okay?
  • 00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:05.270
  • And why?
  • 00:10:05.270 --> 00:10:07.030
  • Because and when--
  • 00:10:07.030 --> 00:10:07.240
  • every time God restores,
  • 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:08.220
  • there's always these tangents.
  • 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:10.120
  • There are preachers that come
  • 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:11.060
  • up and they yell the same thing,
  • 00:10:11.060 --> 00:10:13.160
  • like, prosperity.
  • 00:10:13.160 --> 00:10:14.220
  • God wants to supply your needs.
  • 00:10:14.220 --> 00:10:16.010
  • God wants you to have a Lincoln
  • 00:10:16.010 --> 00:10:17.000
  • Continental, and God wants you
  • 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.030
  • to have a Rolls-Royce, you know?
  • 00:10:18.030 --> 00:10:19.130
  • And but this does not differ
  • 00:10:19.130 --> 00:10:21.240
  • from the truth that God is
  • 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.130
  • restoring, the fact that
  • 00:10:23.130 --> 00:10:25.050
  • he is a God of abundance,
  • 00:10:25.050 --> 00:10:27.100
  • he does supply, he wants you
  • 00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:29.030
  • to be blessed, so much so that
  • 00:10:29.030 --> 00:10:30.210
  • you can be a blessing, okay?
  • 00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:32.140
  • The middle of the road.
  • 00:10:32.140 --> 00:10:33.260
  • And people throw away
  • 00:10:33.260 --> 00:10:34.200
  • the baby in the, you know,
  • 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.040
  • dirty bathwater.
  • 00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:37.190
  • When God restored healing,
  • 00:10:37.190 --> 00:10:38.220
  • there are those who say,
  • 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:39.120
  • "If you are not healed, it's
  • 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.070
  • because you don't have faith.
  • 00:10:40.070 --> 00:10:41.130
  • There's something wrong
  • 00:10:41.130 --> 00:10:42.030
  • with you," and all that.
  • 00:10:42.030 --> 00:10:42.260
  • You know, even though there are
  • 00:10:42.260 --> 00:10:43.270
  • many cases where faith is
  • 00:10:43.270 --> 00:10:45.150
  • involved but we need to be
  • 00:10:45.150 --> 00:10:46.190
  • gentle in the way we approach
  • 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:47.290
  • these things, all right?
  • 00:10:47.290 --> 00:10:49.010
  • So there are those--same thing
  • 00:10:49.010 --> 00:10:50.100
  • for grace, all right?
  • 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:52.010
  • And I'm coming to the cross.
  • 00:10:52.010 --> 00:10:53.110
  • There are those who would teach
  • 00:10:53.110 --> 00:10:54.030
  • you don't need the cross in a
  • 00:10:54.030 --> 00:10:55.050
  • sense that everybody is safe,
  • 00:10:55.050 --> 00:10:56.120
  • you know?
  • 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:57.020
  • Or Jesus died--yes, but, you
  • 00:10:57.020 --> 00:10:58.120
  • know, everybody is saved.
  • 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.270
  • Oh, God is a God of love.
  • 00:10:59.270 --> 00:11:01.100
  • God is a God of compassion.
  • 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:03.020
  • God welcomes everybody in--
  • 00:11:03.020 --> 00:11:05.170
  • if there is a heaven.
  • 00:11:05.170 --> 00:11:06.290
  • Some don't believe in heaven
  • 00:11:06.290 --> 00:11:07.260
  • and hell anymore.
  • 00:11:07.260 --> 00:11:08.160
  • All right, God welcomes
  • 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:09.240
  • everybody there.
  • 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:10.260
  • So why the need for the cross?
  • 00:11:10.260 --> 00:11:11.280
  • Why would the Son of God
  • 00:11:11.280 --> 00:11:12.240
  • suffer and die?
  • 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.140
  • Why would Jesus come?
  • 00:11:14.140 --> 00:11:15.070
  • Now, God is holy.
  • 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:16.190
  • He's trice holy, all right?
  • 00:11:16.190 --> 00:11:18.270
  • And as a holy God, he cannot
  • 00:11:18.270 --> 00:11:20.190
  • allow sin to come into
  • 00:11:20.190 --> 00:11:21.260
  • his presence, okay?
  • 00:11:21.260 --> 00:11:23.130
  • But he loves sinners.
  • 00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:25.020
  • Just like I would tell people,
  • 00:11:25.020 --> 00:11:26.090
  • "Look, you know, you have
  • 00:11:26.090 --> 00:11:26.290
  • someone you love who has cancer.
  • 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:29.210
  • Do you love the person?
  • 00:11:29.210 --> 00:11:31.030
  • Yes.
  • 00:11:31.030 --> 00:11:31.230
  • Do you hate the cancer?
  • 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:33.060
  • Yes.
  • 00:11:33.060 --> 00:11:33.260
  • How much do you hate the cancer?
  • 00:11:33.260 --> 00:11:35.070
  • To the degree you
  • 00:11:35.070 --> 00:11:35.270
  • love the person."
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:38.090
  • How much you hate the cancer's
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:39.210
  • how much you love the person.
  • 00:11:39.210 --> 00:11:41.040
  • So it's because God's intense
  • 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.140
  • love for us, all right,
  • 00:11:42.140 --> 00:11:44.010
  • that God hates sin.
  • 00:11:44.010 --> 00:11:45.050
  • It destroys and mars everything
  • 00:11:45.050 --> 00:11:46.200
  • beautiful that God has for us,
  • 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:47.250
  • all right?
  • 00:11:47.250 --> 00:11:49.070
  • But how do you reconcile that,
  • 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:50.100
  • the sins in the sinner?
  • 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:52.190
  • So the wisdom of God
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:53.250
  • is the cross.
  • 00:11:53.250 --> 00:11:55.040
  • And the cross--and the cross,
  • 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:57.000
  • when Christ died, the just
  • 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.260
  • for the unjust, all right?
  • 00:11:58.260 --> 00:12:00.130
  • The righteous
  • 00:12:00.130 --> 00:12:01.030
  • for the unrighteous.
  • 00:12:01.030 --> 00:12:02.080
  • He took our place and God now
  • 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.100
  • punishes our sins, your sins
  • 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:06.030
  • and my sins, in the body
  • 00:12:06.030 --> 00:12:07.050
  • of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:12:07.050 --> 00:12:08.080
  • Now, people say,
  • 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:09.050
  • "Well, Pastor Prince,
  • 00:12:09.050 --> 00:12:09.250
  • you're telling people that,
  • 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:10.210
  • you know, it's okay to sin."
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:11.280
  • Is it okay to sin when it
  • 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:12.280
  • costs God his Son?
  • 00:12:12.280 --> 00:12:14.260
  • And his Son went through the
  • 00:12:14.260 --> 00:12:15.260
  • suffering to die on the cross?
  • 00:12:15.260 --> 00:12:17.170
  • No, it's not okay.
  • 00:12:17.170 --> 00:12:18.070
  • But we are forgiven.
  • 00:12:18.070 --> 00:12:19.220
  • What God cannot pass by--
  • 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:21.170
  • he cannot pass by sin.
  • 00:12:21.170 --> 00:12:22.210
  • Not even one sin.
  • 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:24.240
  • But God can forgive.
  • 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.170
  • And God did it on a righteous
  • 00:12:26.170 --> 00:12:27.260
  • foundation, the cross.
  • 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:30.010
  • In other words, your sins and
  • 00:12:30.010 --> 00:12:31.050
  • my sins have all been punished
  • 00:12:31.050 --> 00:12:33.100
  • in the body of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:35.140
  • Now, God being a holy God,
  • 00:12:35.140 --> 00:12:37.130
  • all right, his holiness
  • 00:12:37.130 --> 00:12:38.090
  • was against us before.
  • 00:12:38.090 --> 00:12:40.180
  • Now, his holiness is on our side
  • 00:12:40.180 --> 00:12:42.170
  • because our sins have been
  • 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:43.210
  • punished, his holiness cannot
  • 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.240
  • punish us for the same sins,
  • 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:49.180
  • like the law of double jeopardy
  • 00:12:49.180 --> 00:12:50.270
  • in the courts of law.
  • 00:12:50.270 --> 00:12:52.080
  • The same sin cannot be tried
  • 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.000
  • twice.
  • 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.110
  • And because my substitute
  • 00:12:55.110 --> 00:12:56.280
  • suffered my judgment, I cannot
  • 00:12:57.260 --> 00:13:00.280
  • be judged.
  • 00:13:00.280 --> 00:13:02.040
  • And I say that humbly,
  • 00:13:02.040 --> 00:13:03.200
  • all right?
  • 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:04.180
  • That God cannot judge me.
  • 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:06.280
  • It'll make God unjust
  • 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:08.260
  • to demand one--
  • 00:13:08.260 --> 00:13:09.290
  • - Leon: To do it twice.
  • 00:13:09.290 --> 00:13:10.220
  • - Joseph: Yeah, for my
  • 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:11.120
  • surety and then for me.
  • 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.130
  • And that puts God--and that's
  • 00:13:13.130 --> 00:13:14.220
  • why the language that Paul used
  • 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:15.290
  • in Romans, God is righteous in
  • 00:13:15.290 --> 00:13:18.080
  • making me righteous.
  • 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.060
  • Because if you ask the question,
  • 00:13:20.060 --> 00:13:22.040
  • "How do you become righteous
  • 00:13:22.040 --> 00:13:23.050
  • without doing anything right?"
  • 00:13:23.050 --> 00:13:25.100
  • Well, my question is how did
  • 00:13:25.100 --> 00:13:26.160
  • Jesus become sin at the cross
  • 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:29.090
  • without doing any--without
  • 00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:31.090
  • committing any sin.
  • 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:32.020
  • We now he was sinless.
  • 00:13:32.020 --> 00:13:33.110
  • How did he become sin at the
  • 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:34.080
  • cross?
  • 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:34.290
  • He received our sin.
  • 00:13:34.290 --> 00:13:36.150
  • By the same token, we
  • 00:13:36.150 --> 00:13:38.020
  • received from the cross.
  • 00:13:38.020 --> 00:13:39.040
  • We received Christ's
  • 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:40.060
  • righteousness.
  • 00:13:40.060 --> 00:13:41.270
  • It's as if we lay hands on him,
  • 00:13:41.270 --> 00:13:43.240
  • the Jewish Old Testament
  • 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:44.270
  • sacrifice, they lay hands on
  • 00:13:44.270 --> 00:13:46.000
  • the lamb.
  • 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:46.250
  • When we trust in him, we lay our
  • 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:48.050
  • hands on him, all right?
  • 00:13:48.050 --> 00:13:49.290
  • We transfer our sins on him.
  • 00:13:49.290 --> 00:13:51.110
  • At the same time, in that
  • 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:53.060
  • substitution act, he transfers
  • 00:13:53.060 --> 00:13:55.150
  • his righteousness with us.
  • 00:13:55.150 --> 00:13:57.060
  • So he got what I deserved and I
  • 00:13:57.060 --> 00:13:59.250
  • go away with his favor, with his
  • 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.120
  • blessings, that he deserved.
  • 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.080
  • - Leon: You know, when I was
  • 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:06.100
  • younger, I used to get so upset
  • 00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:08.080
  • when my dad was a pastor, when
  • 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:09.150
  • he would talk about Adam and how
  • 00:14:09.150 --> 00:14:12.060
  • Adam and Eve's mistake is why
  • 00:14:12.180 --> 00:14:15.180
  • we're living with disease and
  • 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:17.010
  • sickness and heartache.
  • 00:14:17.010 --> 00:14:18.100
  • And I remember as a young man,
  • 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:20.040
  • literally thinking, "Okay, God,
  • 00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:21.080
  • why don't you just put me back
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  • in the garden myself.
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  • I'll take--I'll take the test,
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  • and I'll pass.
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  • And we can get rid of all this."
  • 00:14:25.170 --> 00:14:27.000
  • But Romans 5 actually deals with
  • 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.090
  • that really well when it says
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  • that because of one man, Adam,
  • 00:14:31.220 --> 00:14:34.060
  • we're all in this mess.
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  • And we feel like, you know,
  • 00:14:35.250 --> 00:14:38.050
  • I mean I did.
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  • I don't deserve this because
  • 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.110
  • what if Adam--I'd have done the
  • 00:14:40.110 --> 00:14:41.270
  • same thing.
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  • All of us would have.
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  • And just like one man brought
  • 00:14:43.130 --> 00:14:45.070
  • this in, one man qualifies us
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  • and sets us free.
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  • It's--Romans is a powerful book
  • 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:52.100
  • at really unpacking that,
  • 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:53.120
  • isn't it?
  • 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:54.220
  • - Joseph: Yes, it changes
  • 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:55.180
  • lives, you know, if you really
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  • understand the truths of Romans.
  • 00:14:56.210 --> 00:14:58.010
  • Not just theoretically, but
  • 00:14:58.010 --> 00:14:59.110
  • you've experienced it yourself.
  • 00:14:59.110 --> 00:15:00.270
  • In Romans 5, it clearly tells us
  • 00:15:00.270 --> 00:15:02.170
  • that by one man's sin we are
  • 00:15:02.170 --> 00:15:05.120
  • made sinners, all right?
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  • By one man's offense, death
  • 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:08.280
  • reigned through that one.
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  • It sounds so unfair but God has
  • 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:12.010
  • this whole system like this so
  • 00:15:12.010 --> 00:15:13.100
  • that by one man's obedience, is
  • 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:15.200
  • all so unfair in the natural--
  • 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.140
  • to the natural mind,
  • 00:15:17.140 --> 00:15:18.090
  • but by one man's obedience,
  • 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:19.280
  • we are made righteous.
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  • We are not made righteous by our
  • 00:15:22.100 --> 00:15:23.210
  • obedience any more than we are
  • 00:15:23.210 --> 00:15:26.100
  • sinners because of our sins.
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  • No, we sin today because
  • 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.100
  • we are sinners.
  • 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:31.100
  • I'm speaking generally,
  • 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:32.080
  • all right?
  • 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.010
  • But we're not sinners--
  • 00:15:33.010 --> 00:15:33.230
  • people are not sinners
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  • because they sin.
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  • They are sinners--when they
  • 00:15:35.180 --> 00:15:36.230
  • are born, they're born sinners.
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  • - Leon: Their nature,
  • 00:15:38.170 --> 00:15:39.070
  • would you say?
  • 00:15:39.070 --> 00:15:39.270
  • - Joseph: Their nature,
  • 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:40.170
  • because of Adam's sin.
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  • Then they sin because
  • 00:15:41.210 --> 00:15:42.190
  • they are sinners.
  • 00:15:42.190 --> 00:15:43.150
  • By the same token, by one man's
  • 00:15:43.150 --> 00:15:46.020
  • act of righteousness
  • 00:15:46.020 --> 00:15:48.000
  • on that cross, by one man,
  • 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.270
  • we are made righteous.
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  • By his obedience,
  • 00:15:51.290 --> 00:15:52.170
  • [a
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  • [app
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  • [appla
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  • [applaud
  • 00:15:56.090 --> 00:15:56.100
  • [applaudin
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  • - Leon: Thank you.
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  • I know today that I am speaking
  • 00:16:04.290 --> 00:16:06.270
  • to a very special
  • 00:16:06.270 --> 00:16:08.280
  • group of people.
  • 00:16:08.280 --> 00:16:10.100
  • that is that the Bible teaches
  • 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:20.090
  • us that God gives people
  • 00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:23.010
  • leaders after their own heart.
  • 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.080
  • And so for you
  • 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.040
  • to have as pastors Joseph
  • 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:29.270
  • and Wendy means you are
  • 00:16:29.270 --> 00:16:31.140
  • a very special group of people.
  • 00:16:31.140 --> 00:16:34.080
  • And it's--I'm excited to be
  • 00:16:37.180 --> 00:16:40.180
  • speaking to this campus here as
  • 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:43.070
  • well as all the other campuses.
  • 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:44.290
  • It's a pleasure to have you
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  • with us.
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  • I wanna pray and then
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  • I wanna get right into
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  • what I wanna talk about.
  • 00:16:50.170 --> 00:16:51.210
  • Father, today, I thank
  • 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:54.070
  • you for your presence.
  • 00:16:54.070 --> 00:16:56.020
  • I thank you that, Lord,
  • 00:16:56.020 --> 00:16:57.210
  • you are here.
  • 00:16:57.210 --> 00:16:59.100
  • I ask for the spirit of wisdom
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  • and of revelation of
  • 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:02.170
  • the knowledge of you.
  • 00:17:02.170 --> 00:17:04.100
  • I pray that every mind would
  • 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:05.270
  • be quiet and that, Father,
  • 00:17:05.270 --> 00:17:08.090
  • you would speak to every heart
  • 00:17:08.090 --> 00:17:11.090
  • in a very special way,
  • 00:17:11.090 --> 00:17:13.120
  • There's a term that God gave
  • 00:17:20.260 --> 00:17:22.060
  • me a while ago and it began
  • 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:25.140
  • to speak to me that unless
  • 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:27.150
  • the church of Jesus Christ
  • 00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:29.050
  • around the world becomes
  • 00:17:29.050 --> 00:17:31.100
  • both spiritually alive
  • 00:17:31.100 --> 00:17:34.070
  • and contemporary, relevant,
  • 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:37.100
  • to the places we are and
  • 00:17:37.100 --> 00:17:39.120
  • to the people that we speak to,
  • 00:17:39.120 --> 00:17:41.020
  • that the church of Jesus Christ
  • 00:17:41.020 --> 00:17:43.140
  • will always struggle otherwise.
  • 00:17:43.260 --> 00:17:46.260
  • I call that spirit contemporary.
  • 00:17:46.260 --> 00:17:49.180
  • We need to be spiritually
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  • filled with the presence of God,
  • 00:17:50.290 --> 00:17:53.250
  • filled with his joy, his peace,
  • 00:17:54.090 --> 00:17:57.090
  • understanding that his grace is
  • 00:17:57.140 --> 00:18:00.160
  • all over us and that Holy Spirit
  • 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.020
  • flows through us to others.
  • 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.160
  • We must remember that
  • 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.170
  • we've gotta be contemporary.
  • 00:18:08.170 --> 00:18:10.040
  • We don't wanna be weird.
  • 00:18:10.060 --> 00:18:13.060
  • We don't wanna embarrass God.
  • 00:18:13.060 --> 00:18:16.020
  • We don't want to say things and
  • 00:18:16.020 --> 00:18:18.060
  • do things that are arrogant,
  • 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:19.270
  • condescending, that makes people
  • 00:18:19.270 --> 00:18:22.090
  • look at us and go, like,
  • 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.150
  • "Wow, what's wrong with you?"
  • 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:26.110
  • And so, spiritually alive,
  • 00:18:26.110 --> 00:18:27.230
  • to be spirit contemporary,
  • 00:18:27.230 --> 00:18:29.150
  • is something that God has
  • 00:18:29.150 --> 00:18:31.200
  • tasked me to take to this world.
  • 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:34.220
  • God has opened up denomination
  • 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:36.270
  • after denomination.
  • 00:18:36.270 --> 00:18:37.230
  • For this 500th anniversary
  • 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:39.290
  • of Martin Luther in Germany on
  • 00:18:39.290 --> 00:18:41.210
  • the 17th, I'll be speaking to 80
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  • of the world's denominations
  • 00:18:43.280 --> 00:18:45.280
  • about being spirit contemporary,
  • 00:18:45.280 --> 00:18:48.120
  • alive.
  • 00:18:48.120 --> 00:18:49.060
  • I'm excited about it.
  • 00:18:49.060 --> 00:18:50.220
  • Today, I wanna just teach
  • 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:51.260
  • for a little while.
  • 00:18:51.260 --> 00:18:53.260
  • I wanna talk about Holy Spirit.
  • 00:18:55.270 --> 00:18:58.270
  • My dad was a pastor
  • 00:18:58.270 --> 00:19:00.050
  • and I spent 14 years working
  • 00:19:01.040 --> 00:19:04.040
  • underneath his ministry.
  • 00:19:04.040 --> 00:19:05.110
  • For the first 7, I supported
  • 00:19:05.230 --> 00:19:08.230
  • myself as a paramedic and worked
  • 00:19:09.070 --> 00:19:12.070
  • the highways in Canada around
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  • the city that we were in.
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  • There was one thing
  • 00:19:18.120 --> 00:19:19.200
  • that took place that changed
  • 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.000
  • my entire life as a pastor.
  • 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.160
  • It was Sunday morning about
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  • 3 in the morning after
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.170
  • our Sunday evening service.
  • 00:19:28.170 --> 00:19:30.270
  • We'd had a wonderful time of
  • 00:19:30.270 --> 00:19:33.180
  • ministering with worship.
  • 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.070
  • In our services at that time, we
  • 00:19:36.070 --> 00:19:37.240
  • would have people come down and
  • 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.230
  • we would minister healing to
  • 00:19:39.230 --> 00:19:41.250
  • them and we'd pray with them
  • 00:19:41.250 --> 00:19:43.120
  • for miracles.
  • 00:19:43.120 --> 00:19:45.020
  • We would lead in worship
  • 00:19:45.020 --> 00:19:47.040
  • and praise in beautiful
  • 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:48.240
  • hymns and songs.
  • 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.200
  • And the whole congregation would
  • 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.080
  • just worship him and create this
  • 00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:55.130
  • amazing atmosphere where
  • 00:19:55.130 --> 00:19:57.210
  • miracles could take place.
  • 00:19:57.210 --> 00:20:00.200
  • Because often, the altars would
  • 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.030
  • be filled, we would have ushers
  • 00:20:02.030 --> 00:20:04.250
  • and they would help control the
  • 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:06.240
  • people and line them up as they
  • 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.130
  • We would often work with the
  • 00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:13.050
  • congregation that if people
  • 00:20:13.050 --> 00:20:14.220
  • began to be too loud, we would
  • 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:17.010
  • quiet them down or move crying
  • 00:20:17.010 --> 00:20:19.070
  • babies into the foyer so that we
  • 00:20:19.070 --> 00:20:21.110
  • could just have a real beautiful
  • 00:20:21.110 --> 00:20:22.210
  • That night I went to bed and I
  • 00:20:26.250 --> 00:20:28.040
  • carried a beeper and my beeper
  • 00:20:28.040 --> 00:20:29.130
  • went off as a supervisor.
  • 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:30.240
  • And I was called to a horrible
  • 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.280
  • accident just 30 minutes outside
  • 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:36.220
  • of our city.
  • 00:20:36.220 --> 00:20:38.060
  • When we got there and shone the
  • 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:40.120
  • lights from the ambulance into
  • 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:41.250
  • the ditch, we saw a car turned
  • 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:44.180
  • upside down.
  • 00:20:44.180 --> 00:20:45.170
  • And we heard a woman crying.
  • 00:20:47.090 --> 00:20:50.090
  • As the lights lit up the
  • 00:20:50.090 --> 00:20:52.020
  • ditch water, we saw a child
  • 00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:55.180
  • laying face down in the water
  • 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:57.020
  • had already passed.
  • 00:20:57.020 --> 00:20:59.150
  • The mom was hanging upside down
  • 00:20:59.150 --> 00:21:01.120
  • in her seatbelt as well as
  • 00:21:01.120 --> 00:21:03.140
  • another child.
  • 00:21:03.140 --> 00:21:06.030
  • You know, it's--sometimes, your
  • 00:21:06.030 --> 00:21:09.000
  • brain can go through a lot of
  • 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.200
  • thinking in just a second.
  • 00:21:10.270 --> 00:21:13.270
  • And as I was looking down into
  • 00:21:13.270 --> 00:21:16.120
  • the water and the lights from
  • 00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:17.220
  • the ambulance lit up, I could
  • 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:19.000
  • see blood in the water.
  • 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.070
  • The blue and the red lights for
  • 00:21:20.070 --> 00:21:22.030
  • the emergency vehicle was
  • 00:21:22.030 --> 00:21:23.160
  • flashing through the bushes.
  • 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.070
  • And as I went to step down, I
  • 00:21:25.070 --> 00:21:27.050
  • could hear her crying because
  • 00:21:27.050 --> 00:21:28.220
  • she hadn't seen her child in
  • 00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:30.180
  • the water before.
  • 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:31.290
  • She didn't know, it was so dark,
  • 00:21:31.290 --> 00:21:33.290
  • and now I could hear her groans
  • 00:21:33.290 --> 00:21:35.190
  • and crying.
  • 00:21:35.190 --> 00:21:36.090
  • And as I stepped down into the
  • 00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:38.020
  • water that was in the ditch,
  • 00:21:38.020 --> 00:21:39.120
  • something in me cried out to God
  • 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:41.120
  • and I thought, "God, we need
  • 00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:44.220
  • the power of Jesus here in the
  • 00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:46.260
  • ditch, more than we need it
  • 00:21:48.020 --> 00:21:51.020
  • in the church last night."
  • 00:21:51.040 --> 00:21:54.040
  • I was raised in
  • 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:55.010
  • a denomination where
  • 00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:57.040
  • many of the speakers would talk
  • 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:58.150
  • about Holy Spirit like he was
  • 00:21:58.150 --> 00:22:00.150
  • a dove, and the Bible doesn't
  • 00:22:00.150 --> 00:22:03.010
  • say Holy Spirit is a dove, okay?
  • 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:07.020
  • He moved there like a dove.
  • 00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:10.100
  • And so they would often when
  • 00:22:10.100 --> 00:22:11.180
  • we began to minister to people,
  • 00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:13.000
  • they felt like Holy Spirit was
  • 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.120
  • very fleeting, that if you made
  • 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:17.120
  • too much noise, he would leave,
  • 00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:18.270
  • he'd just fly away.
  • 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000
  • That if someone chewed gum in
  • 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.270
  • church, that would offend Holy
  • 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:25.170
  • Spirit and he would leave.
  • 00:22:25.170 --> 00:22:27.190
  • That if, you know, people got
  • 00:22:27.190 --> 00:22:29.010
  • too excited and clapped,
  • 00:22:29.010 --> 00:22:30.120
  • Holy Spirit would leave.
  • 00:22:30.120 --> 00:22:31.200
  • And so, they would try to
  • 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:32.260
  • control the services, and ushers
  • 00:22:32.260 --> 00:22:35.210
  • and greeters and everybody would
  • 00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:37.060
  • try to control the services so
  • 00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:39.160
  • Holy Spirit could move.
  • 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:40.280
  • And so now, I'm thinking, "Here
  • 00:22:40.280 --> 00:22:43.040
  • I am, stepping down into the
  • 00:22:43.040 --> 00:22:45.270
  • ditch with water and blood
  • 00:22:45.270 --> 00:22:48.080
  • and a crying mom.
  • 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:50.130
  • And there's no worship team.
  • 00:22:53.030 --> 00:22:56.030
  • I wanna go pray for this lady.
  • 00:22:56.030 --> 00:22:58.030
  • I wanna pray for that child, but
  • 00:22:58.030 --> 00:23:00.150
  • I have no ushers to control
  • 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:02.260
  • the scene."
  • 00:23:05.070 --> 00:23:08.070
  • In fact, all that is
  • 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.200
  • going on would cause most
  • 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:15.210
  • preachers to lose the anointing.
  • 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:19.250
  • The guy that drove me there,
  • 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:21.100
  • he's cursing while
  • 00:23:21.100 --> 00:23:22.100
  • he gets the equipment
  • 00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:23.100
  • to go down into the ditch.
  • 00:23:23.100 --> 00:23:25.020
  • I can hear sirens in the
  • 00:23:25.020 --> 00:23:26.130
  • distance as the police and more
  • 00:23:26.130 --> 00:23:28.020
  • ambulances are coming.
  • 00:23:28.020 --> 00:23:29.280
  • I hear the cries of this mom,
  • 00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:32.030
  • hanging upside down in
  • 00:23:32.030 --> 00:23:33.110
  • a seatbelt and here I am, and
  • 00:23:33.110 --> 00:23:35.080
  • I said, "God, I want your power.
  • 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:37.040
  • I want the miraculous
  • 00:23:37.040 --> 00:23:38.070
  • to flow through me.
  • 00:23:38.070 --> 00:23:39.040
  • But I don't feel it.
  • 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:40.160
  • I can't hear it.
  • 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:41.200
  • I need--he touched me to play.
  • 00:23:42.050 --> 00:23:45.050
  • I need people to stand around
  • 00:23:45.050 --> 00:23:46.200
  • this accident scene with their
  • 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.020
  • hands in the air, worshiping,
  • 00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:49.250
  • so we can control the scene."
  • 00:23:49.250 --> 00:23:52.210
  • But none of that happened.
  • 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.000
  • But God spoke to me
  • 00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.030
  • very clearly.
  • 00:23:59.030 --> 00:23:59.250
  • He said, "I'm gonna teach you to
  • 00:23:59.250 --> 00:24:02.230
  • move in the things of the Spirit
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  • outside the four walls
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  • of a church service."
  • 00:24:08.030 --> 00:24:10.100
  • Today, we still have
  • 00:24:10.100 --> 00:24:13.000
  • Holy Spirit meetings where
  • 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.100
  • we pray with people,
  • 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:15.220
  • believe God for miracles.
  • 00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.050
  • The entire place will stand
  • 00:24:17.050 --> 00:24:19.020
  • and worship as God touches and
  • 00:24:19.020 --> 00:24:21.050
  • heals and sets captives free.
  • 00:24:21.050 --> 00:24:23.160
  • It's beautiful and it's
  • 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:24.230
  • wonderful but you folks, where
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:27.110
  • you work, don't have a band
  • 00:24:27.110 --> 00:24:29.140
  • to follow you around if
  • 00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:30.240
  • you wanna pray for a co-worker.
  • 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:34.080
  • If you're a nurse and you have
  • 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:35.290
  • a situation where a person
  • 00:24:35.290 --> 00:24:37.250
  • is dying, you can't turn around
  • 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:39.240
  • and say, "Someone play
  • 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.050
  • 'The Old Rugged Cross,'
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  • and could I have
  • 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:43.070
  • a choir of 53 people in harmony
  • 00:24:43.070 --> 00:24:45.280
  • sing so we can get the anointing
  • 00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:47.230
  • up so that I can minister
  • 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.040
  • a miracle?"
  • 00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:51.080
  • We as pastors, it's beautiful
  • 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.180
  • that we can minister to people
  • 00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:55.170
  • in a church service with worship
  • 00:24:55.170 --> 00:24:57.230
  • and everyone in agreement.
  • 00:24:57.230 --> 00:25:00.030
  • But you need to know that God
  • 00:25:00.030 --> 00:25:02.210
  • has designed you, and
  • 00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:05.030
  • his Holy Spirit is within you to
  • 00:25:05.070 --> 00:25:08.070
  • be released in the miraculous,
  • 00:25:08.070 --> 00:25:10.280
  • even when there's not music,
  • 00:25:10.280 --> 00:25:12.190
  • there's not ushers, there's not
  • 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:13.160
  • other Christians around.
  • 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.060
  • It's just you.
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  • - Leon: You know, the thing
  • 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:21.160
  • that really helped me the most
  • 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.080
  • as I was having my own journey
  • 00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:25.220
  • of coming to grips with grace,
  • 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.280
  • yet be raised in a denomination
  • 00:25:27.280 --> 00:25:30.140
  • where fear and the law was what
  • 00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:33.120
  • was used to really try to keep
  • 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:35.200
  • us, and then to understand
  • 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:38.250
  • that--see, I knew that sin was
  • 00:25:38.250 --> 00:25:41.000
  • bad and it had--and that it
  • 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.270
  • caused a lot of problems.
  • 00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:44.070
  • So as I looked at the grace
  • 00:25:44.070 --> 00:25:45.230
  • message, it--what helped me was
  • 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:47.110
  • I finally realized that between
  • 00:25:47.110 --> 00:25:49.140
  • me and God, we were okay.
  • 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:53.120
  • And between God and I, because
  • 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:55.270
  • of Jesus, I am qualified for
  • 00:25:55.270 --> 00:25:58.100
  • all of his blessings, all of
  • 00:25:58.100 --> 00:26:00.270
  • his love, that God deals with
  • 00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:03.120
  • me spirit to spirit and that
  • 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:05.130
  • my spirit is sealed
  • 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:06.220
  • with Holy Spirit
  • 00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:08.040
  • and that no sin gets into
  • 00:26:08.040 --> 00:26:09.260
  • my spirit because it's sealed.
  • 00:26:09.260 --> 00:26:12.070
  • But that I would make mistakes
  • 00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:14.220
  • because of desires,
  • 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.050
  • because of fear, and God
  • 00:26:16.050 --> 00:26:18.120
  • and I would be fine.
  • 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:20.110
  • But everybody in my world could
  • 00:26:20.110 --> 00:26:22.270
  • still be hurt as well as
  • 00:26:22.270 --> 00:26:24.240
  • I by my misbehavior.
  • 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.130
  • - Joseph: Right, there
  • 00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:28.110
  • are consequences to sin.
  • 00:26:28.110 --> 00:26:29.230
  • - Leon: Yeah, and all of
  • 00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:30.190
  • a sudden, it just became so I no
  • 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.250
  • He's gonna do something to me,
  • 00:26:36.090 --> 00:26:37.080
  • he's gonna get me, he's gonna
  • 00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:38.080
  • make sure I pay for this.
  • 00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:39.240
  • But him and I were fine because
  • 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.180
  • of Jesus and the cross.
  • 00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:42.260
  • But at the same time, all of
  • 00:26:42.260 --> 00:26:44.230
  • these--all of the teachings in
  • 00:26:44.230 --> 00:26:46.180
  • God's Word would help me to get
  • 00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:48.200
  • along with all my relationships,
  • 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.180
  • my wife, my kids.
  • 00:26:50.180 --> 00:26:51.210
  • I mean, who wants--
  • 00:26:51.210 --> 00:26:53.100
  • - Joseph: Best of all, you can
  • 00:26:53.100 --> 00:26:54.210
  • approach all this now
  • 00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:55.220
  • with God on your side.
  • 00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:57.220
  • - Leon: Exactly.
  • 00:26:57.220 --> 00:26:58.170
  • - Joseph: And you can approach
  • 00:26:58.170 --> 00:26:59.200
  • it successfully because God's
  • 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.250
  • grace, God's wisdom.
  • 00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:01.230
  • As opposed to having this idea
  • 00:27:01.230 --> 00:27:03.000
  • God might be against you, he's
  • 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.100
  • on the other side.
  • 00:27:04.100 --> 00:27:05.000
  • But he's beside you, all right?
  • 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.030
  • And you are handling your
  • 00:27:07.030 --> 00:27:08.260
  • marriage, you're handling your
  • 00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:10.080
  • kids, you're handling your
  • 00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:11.200
  • career, whatever it is.
  • 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.150
  • You know God is beside you.
  • 00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:14.020
  • It makes a world of difference
  • 00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:14.280
  • so we believe in doing right.
  • 00:27:14.280 --> 00:27:16.060
  • I think we are talking about why
  • 00:27:16.060 --> 00:27:17.200
  • you're doing it.
  • 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.170
  • - Leon: Exactly.
  • 00:27:18.170 --> 00:27:19.070
  • Because when you were talking
  • 00:27:19.070 --> 00:27:20.090
  • earlier, you said that to know
  • 00:27:20.090 --> 00:27:21.240
  • favor.
  • 00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:25.200
  • And then once you knew that, you
  • 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.180
  • said something else.
  • 00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:28.240
  • You said then it's like his
  • 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.020
  • ability will begin to flow into
  • 00:27:31.020 --> 00:27:33.140
  • your life.
  • 00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:34.130
  • Because I know that how I want
  • 00:27:34.180 --> 00:27:37.180
  • to be, I don't have--I can't do
  • 00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:39.230
  • it all in my ability.
  • 00:27:39.230 --> 00:27:40.230
  • But once I begin to recognize
  • 00:27:40.230 --> 00:27:43.150
  • his favor on my life and how
  • 00:27:43.150 --> 00:27:45.120
  • much he loves me, now as I turn
  • 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:48.090
  • to my marriage, my kids,
  • 00:27:48.090 --> 00:27:50.020
  • finances, business, health, all
  • 00:27:50.020 --> 00:27:52.110
  • of these things, that it was no
  • 00:27:52.110 --> 00:27:54.040
  • longer up to me, but the
  • 00:27:54.040 --> 00:27:56.060
  • presence of God would flow into
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  • these things with me.
  • 00:27:58.210 --> 00:28:00.070
  • And then we could see the
  • 00:28:00.070 --> 00:28:01.180
  • promises of God and all these
  • 00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:03.220
  • promises are relational,
  • 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:04.240
  • financial, health, peace, all of
  • 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.120
  • the promises would begin to flow
  • 00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:09.120
  • into my life and it wasn't me
  • 00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:11.250
  • that was on my own strength.
  • 00:28:11.250 --> 00:28:14.030
  • - Joseph: I think you hit
  • 00:28:14.030 --> 00:28:15.120
  • the nail on the head.
  • 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:16.020
  • You talk about the flow and
  • 00:28:16.020 --> 00:28:18.110
  • the wisdom and the favor,
  • 00:28:18.110 --> 00:28:19.210
  • just flowing.
  • 00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:20.260
  • That's what it's all about.
  • 00:28:20.260 --> 00:28:21.240
  • Grace is all about that supply.
  • 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.220
  • Grace, the essence of grace, is
  • 00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:25.290
  • supply, all right?
  • 00:28:25.290 --> 00:28:27.140
  • The main thing about the law
  • 00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:28.140
  • is demand.
  • 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.260
  • That's the principle governing
  • 00:28:30.260 --> 00:28:31.200
  • both.
  • 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:32.200
  • The law demands thou shall not,
  • 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.000
  • thou shall not, thou shall not.
  • 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.140
  • Grace says, you know, like,
  • 00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:37.090
  • the law says, "Thou shall not
  • 00:28:37.090 --> 00:28:38.220
  • be bald," you know?
  • 00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:39.270
  • It's like saying that but grace
  • 00:28:39.270 --> 00:28:41.270
  • says, "Receive the hair,"
  • 00:28:41.270 --> 00:28:43.010
  • you know?
  • 00:28:43.010 --> 00:28:43.260
  • So grace imparts.
  • 00:28:43.260 --> 00:28:45.160
  • Grace supplies, all right?
  • 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.070
  • That's the difference between
  • 00:28:47.070 --> 00:28:48.000
  • law and grace.
  • 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:48.290
  • Grace--and the law demands
  • 00:28:48.290 --> 00:28:50.170
  • righteousness from sinfully
  • 00:28:50.170 --> 00:28:52.180
  • bankrupt men.
  • 00:28:52.180 --> 00:28:53.200
  • Grace imparts righteousness,
  • 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.190
  • supplies righteousness.
  • 00:28:55.190 --> 00:28:57.120
  • And once we understand that,
  • 00:28:57.120 --> 00:28:59.020
  • we rest because he's supplying.
  • 00:28:59.020 --> 00:29:02.000
  • It is the vine life.
  • 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.170
  • What can a branch do
  • 00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:04.180
  • by struggling?
  • 00:29:04.180 --> 00:29:06.150
  • Nothing, nothing.
  • 00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:08.010
  • I'm trying my best to produce
  • 00:29:08.010 --> 00:29:09.240
  • the fruit.
  • 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.140
  • No, he relax.
  • 00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.080
  • The more you relax--the more you
  • 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.280
  • struggle, you impede the flow
  • 00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:14.130
  • of the sap.
  • 00:29:14.130 --> 00:29:15.160
  • But the more you are rest,
  • 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.100
  • all right, the sap flows.
  • 00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:18.180
  • Like we were just saying just
  • 00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:19.170
  • now, it flows into your
  • 00:29:19.170 --> 00:29:20.180
  • marriage, it flows in the way
  • 00:29:20.180 --> 00:29:22.000
  • you treat people, it flows in
  • 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.040
  • your life.
  • 00:29:24.040 --> 00:29:25.000
  • But the more you rest, the more
  • 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.160
  • you accomplish.
  • 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.240
  • In fact, when we look at Jesus,
  • 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.220
  • one of the first things that
  • 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:30.190
  • impacted me years ago when I
  • 00:29:30.190 --> 00:29:32.000
  • read the gospels was how Jesus
  • 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.230
  • was so active, yet I have never
  • 00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.140
  • seen anyone so relaxed.
  • 00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:39.160
  • He always had time, more than us
  • 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.180
  • preachers, you know?
  • 00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:42.190
  • He always had time for people,
  • 00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:44.050
  • all right?
  • 00:29:44.050 --> 00:29:44.280
  • And he moves in a tempo,
  • 00:29:44.280 --> 00:29:47.000
  • a cadence, a rhythm of grace.
  • 00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:50.230
  • Never was anyone so busy.
  • 00:29:50.230 --> 00:29:52.060
  • He accomplished so much in
  • 00:29:52.060 --> 00:29:53.210
  • 3-1/2 years.
  • 00:29:53.210 --> 00:29:55.020
  • He finished everything.
  • 00:29:55.020 --> 00:29:56.110
  • And yet, as he--he had a rhythm
  • 00:29:56.110 --> 00:29:58.110
  • of rest.
  • 00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:01.150
  • Now, why is that so?
  • 00:30:01.150 --> 00:30:03.130
  • Because we who do more, we
  • 00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:05.030
  • struggle more, all right?
  • 00:30:05.030 --> 00:30:06.190
  • We accomplish less.
  • 00:30:06.190 --> 00:30:09.010
  • I think it goes back to this,
  • 00:30:09.010 --> 00:30:10.170
  • like, the burning bush.
  • 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:11.110
  • It's nothing to do with the
  • 00:30:11.110 --> 00:30:12.010
  • bush, it's the fire.
  • 00:30:12.010 --> 00:30:14.070
  • That holy fire.
  • 00:30:14.070 --> 00:30:14.290
  • So the more we relax, the more
  • 00:30:14.290 --> 00:30:17.130
  • we find God accomplishing
  • 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.030
  • through us.
  • 00:30:19.030 --> 00:30:19.230
  • And it's not this idea where I
  • 00:30:19.230 --> 00:30:20.210
  • teach people grace, people
  • 00:30:20.210 --> 00:30:21.220
  • become lazy, you know?
  • 00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:23.270
  • It's the opposite.
  • 00:30:23.270 --> 00:30:24.200
  • Like, you come to our church,
  • 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:25.160
  • you find people who are telling
  • 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.000
  • me, "Pastor," you know, "can
  • 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.110
  • I--" I saw one guy one time say,
  • 00:30:28.110 --> 00:30:29.210
  • "What are you doing here?"
  • 00:30:29.210 --> 00:30:30.110
  • Because they are supposed to
  • 00:30:30.110 --> 00:30:31.010
  • serve two services and we have
  • 00:30:31.010 --> 00:30:32.020
  • four services and they said,
  • 00:30:32.020 --> 00:30:33.200
  • "Well, Pastor,
  • 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.100
  • I just love being here.
  • 00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:35.150
  • I just wanna hang around."
  • 00:30:35.150 --> 00:30:36.270
  • Said, "Go home.
  • 00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:37.170
  • Spend time with your--"
  • 00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:38.080
  • They said, "No, Pastor,
  • 00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:39.020
  • I just love to serve."
  • 00:30:39.020 --> 00:30:39.250
  • And they're serving
  • 00:30:39.250 --> 00:30:40.150
  • more than two services,
  • 00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:41.120
  • three services.
  • 00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:42.110
  • And the want-to is there because
  • 00:30:42.110 --> 00:30:45.070
  • we experience the grace of God.
  • 00:30:45.070 --> 00:30:46.250
  • - Leon: So good.
  • 00:30:46.250 --> 00:30:47.160
  • You know, when we talk
  • 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.200
  • about--there's a desire in
  • 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.200
  • everyone to change, to grow.
  • 00:30:51.110 --> 00:30:54.110
  • And when we do it on our own
  • 00:30:54.110 --> 00:30:56.280
  • with, you know, we call it the
  • 00:30:56.280 --> 00:30:58.030
  • flesh which just means our own
  • 00:30:58.030 --> 00:30:59.210
  • ability.
  • 00:30:59.210 --> 00:31:00.130
  • You could maybe deal with, let's
  • 00:31:00.130 --> 00:31:03.010
  • say, an addiction.
  • 00:31:03.010 --> 00:31:04.140
  • So you can use your energy to
  • 00:31:04.150 --> 00:31:07.150
  • deal with the addiction and on
  • 00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:08.260
  • the outside, your behavior has
  • 00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:11.160
  • stopped but on the inside,
  • 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.080
  • you're raging and craving and
  • 00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:16.240
  • fighting.
  • 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.190
  • That's not freedom.
  • 00:31:17.190 --> 00:31:19.030
  • - Joseph: And then when they
  • 00:31:19.030 --> 00:31:19.240
  • break out, they binge.
  • 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.080
  • - Leon: They binge.
  • 00:31:21.080 --> 00:31:22.120
  • Yeah, it's exactly right.
  • 00:31:22.120 --> 00:31:23.160
  • So when we talk about the law,
  • 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.220
  • even if someone for a while is
  • 00:31:25.220 --> 00:31:28.040
  • able to change their behavior
  • 00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:30.190
  • for all the teachings of the
  • 00:31:30.190 --> 00:31:31.290
  • law, it's a person who's just
  • 00:31:31.290 --> 00:31:34.160
  • messed up because on the inside,
  • 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.140
  • they're craving and that's not
  • 00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.080
  • peace.
  • 00:31:39.080 --> 00:31:40.140
  • That's not joy.
  • 00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.000
  • That's not--
  • 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.200
  • - Joseph: That's behavior
  • 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:43.100
  • modification, not heart
  • 00:31:43.100 --> 00:31:44.220
  • transformation.
  • 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:45.130
  • And what grace does is heart
  • 00:31:45.130 --> 00:31:47.050
  • transformation.
  • 00:31:47.050 --> 00:31:48.040
  • You know, we have both been
  • 00:31:48.040 --> 00:31:49.010
  • using the terms, "message of
  • 00:31:49.010 --> 00:31:50.080
  • grace," and I understand it
  • 00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:51.280
  • helps the viewers to understand,
  • 00:31:51.280 --> 00:31:53.200
  • but it's actually the gospel.
  • 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.270
  • Grace is the gospel.
  • 00:31:55.270 --> 00:31:56.260
  • And God is restoring the gospel.
  • 00:31:56.260 --> 00:31:59.060
  • People say, "Well, you know,
  • 00:31:59.060 --> 00:32:00.190
  • we teach grace also."
  • 00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:01.230
  • It's almost like,
  • 00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:02.240
  • "We teach gospel also."
  • 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.020
  • You need to.
  • 00:32:04.020 --> 00:32:04.280
  • It is the gospel, you know?
  • 00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:06.040
  • The gospel-based parenting,
  • 00:32:06.040 --> 00:32:07.220
  • gospel-based financing,
  • 00:32:07.220 --> 00:32:09.090
  • gospel-based everything,
  • 00:32:09.090 --> 00:32:10.220
  • all right?
  • 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:11.120
  • It's grace-based because
  • 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:13.080
  • the law was given by Moses.
  • 00:32:13.080 --> 00:32:15.290
  • And I can give to you
  • 00:32:15.290 --> 00:32:17.140
  • from a distance.
  • 00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:18.100
  • I can post it to you, I can send
  • 00:32:18.100 --> 00:32:19.210
  • it to you, I can send you an
  • 00:32:19.210 --> 00:32:20.170
  • email, all right?
  • 00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:21.220
  • And it's given, all right?
  • 00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:23.080
  • But the law was given by Moses
  • 00:32:23.080 --> 00:32:24.220
  • but grace and truth came.
  • 00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:27.020
  • Came by Jesus Christ.
  • 00:32:27.020 --> 00:32:28.100
  • Notice the truth is on
  • 00:32:28.100 --> 00:32:29.050
  • the side of grace.
  • 00:32:29.050 --> 00:32:30.290
  • It doesn't say, "The law--
  • 00:32:30.290 --> 00:32:31.260
  • the law and truth came."
  • 00:32:31.260 --> 00:32:34.090
  • It says,
  • 00:32:34.090 --> 00:32:34.290
  • "Grace and truth came
  • 00:32:34.290 --> 00:32:35.270
  • by Jesus Christ."
  • 00:32:35.270 --> 00:32:36.210
  • So I submit that that's
  • 00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:38.040
  • the truth that Jesus told the
  • 00:32:38.040 --> 00:32:41.040
  • Jewish people who are well--and
  • 00:32:41.040 --> 00:32:43.160
  • they are steeped in Scriptures.
  • 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.040
  • From a young age, they know
  • 00:32:45.040 --> 00:32:46.110
  • Scriptures by heart, all right?
  • 00:32:46.110 --> 00:32:47.290
  • And he told them, "You shall
  • 00:32:47.290 --> 00:32:48.260
  • know the truth, and the truth
  • 00:32:48.260 --> 00:32:50.270
  • will set you free."
  • 00:32:50.270 --> 00:32:52.020
  • So what's the truth?
  • 00:32:52.020 --> 00:32:54.150
  • - Leon: It's awesome.
  • 00:32:54.150 --> 00:32:55.080
  • That's beautiful.
  • 00:32:55.080 --> 00:32:56.060
  • - Joseph: It's the grace of
  • 00:32:56.060 --> 00:32:57.080
  • God.
  • 00:32:57.080 --> 00:32:58.050
  • - Leon: That is, yeah.
  • 00:32:58.050 --> 00:32:59.040
  • When we--I think the thing that
  • 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.150
  • a lot of people struggle with
  • 00:33:00.150 --> 00:33:02.090
  • and actually, I shouldn't
  • 00:33:02.090 --> 00:33:04.040
  • say it that way.
  • 00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:04.240
  • I think sometimes, we defend it
  • 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.260
  • too much because I think it's
  • 00:33:05.260 --> 00:33:07.150
  • such a beautiful message that
  • 00:33:07.150 --> 00:33:09.040
  • it's exciting what I see around
  • 00:33:09.040 --> 00:33:10.210
  • the world as people are picking
  • 00:33:10.210 --> 00:33:12.030
  • it up and learning it.
  • 00:33:12.030 --> 00:33:13.180
  • And especially those who are new
  • 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.260
  • to the kingdom of God.
  • 00:33:15.260 --> 00:33:17.270
  • I'm jealous of them because for
  • 00:33:17.270 --> 00:33:20.010
  • the--they, right from the start,
  • 00:33:20.010 --> 00:33:21.170
  • they get a chance to know how
  • 00:33:21.170 --> 00:33:22.180
  • loved they are, how forgiven
  • 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.140
  • they are, and that if they mess
  • 00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:25.200
  • up then--
  • 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.110
  • - Joseph: And then when we're
  • 00:33:26.110 --> 00:33:27.020
  • jealous of their joy and their
  • 00:33:27.020 --> 00:33:28.010
  • peace and, yeah, it's good.
  • 00:33:28.010 --> 00:33:30.140
  • "You are experiencing
  • 00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:31.130
  • the honeymoon stage," all right?
  • 00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:33.150
  • And then we start giving them
  • 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:34.140
  • some laws.
  • 00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:35.040
  • But don't forget to do this
  • 00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:35.260
  • every morning.
  • 00:33:35.260 --> 00:33:36.160
  • Make sure you do this.
  • 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:37.060
  • And then we kill their joy.
  • 00:33:37.060 --> 00:33:38.080
  • - Leon: It's true.
  • 00:33:38.080 --> 00:33:39.120
  • Yeah, I mean, I don't know how
  • 00:33:39.120 --> 00:33:40.220
  • many times I've heard that,
  • 00:33:40.220 --> 00:33:41.280
  • all these different ways.
  • 00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:42.250
  • You get a full tank of gas, it
  • 00:33:42.250 --> 00:33:44.140
  • runs out, and then you gotta
  • 00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:46.000
  • figure, you know,
  • 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:46.220
  • But when we live our lives--so
  • 00:33:48.260 --> 00:33:50.150
  • let's talk a little bit
  • 00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:51.030
  • about--we were talking earlier
  • 00:33:51.030 --> 00:33:53.200
  • about when we live in this
  • 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.230
  • grace, we know we have God's
  • 00:33:55.230 --> 00:33:57.170
  • favor.
  • 00:33:57.170 --> 00:33:58.180
  • The Bible teaches us as well
  • 00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.050
  • from glory to glory he's
  • 00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:03.130
  • changing me.
  • 00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:04.120
  • The Bible shows us that anything
  • 00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:07.100
  • you wanna change in your life,
  • 00:34:07.100 --> 00:34:09.010
  • you don't have to do it in your
  • 00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:12.010
  • own.
  • 00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:12.220
  • So how would you divide--so
  • 00:34:12.220 --> 00:34:14.120
  • Holy Spirit flows through us.
  • 00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:15.270
  • That's his grace.
  • 00:34:15.270 --> 00:34:17.090
  • How would you unpack that?
  • 00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:19.270
  • - Joseph: Well, I would see
  • 00:34:19.270 --> 00:34:20.260
  • that as it's all part and parcel
  • 00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:23.200
  • of what the gospel is all about,
  • 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:25.270
  • all right?
  • 00:34:25.270 --> 00:34:26.170
  • With the Coming of Christ--they
  • 00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:27.290
  • had the Holy Spirit on them in
  • 00:34:27.290 --> 00:34:29.140
  • the Old Testament but now they
  • 00:34:29.140 --> 00:34:31.010
  • have the Holy Spirit in them.
  • 00:34:31.010 --> 00:34:32.240
  • When you think about that, Leon,
  • 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:34.290
  • the Old Testament saints,
  • 00:34:34.290 --> 00:34:36.290
  • whether it's Jeremiah, Elijah,
  • 00:34:36.290 --> 00:34:39.100
  • Elisha had a double portion of
  • 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:41.080
  • the Spirit, David who said,
  • 00:34:41.080 --> 00:34:43.030
  • "Take not your Holy Spirit from
  • 00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:44.080
  • me," which is a prayer we cannot
  • 00:34:44.080 --> 00:34:45.180
  • pray because Jesus says he'll be
  • 00:34:45.180 --> 00:34:46.280
  • with you forever.
  • 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.160
  • But people still pray
  • 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:49.060
  • the prayer.
  • 00:34:49.060 --> 00:34:49.260
  • But Abraham, all of them, they
  • 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.240
  • had the Holy Spirit on them.
  • 00:34:51.240 --> 00:34:53.150
  • Think about it, but they never
  • 00:34:53.150 --> 00:34:55.100
  • The inside was never cleansed to
  • 00:34:57.150 --> 00:35:00.040
  • the point where the Holy Spirit
  • 00:35:00.040 --> 00:35:01.170
  • could indwell them.
  • 00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:03.050
  • But think about what has
  • 00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:03.270
  • happened to us.
  • 00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:05.120
  • The least believer, okay, I'll
  • 00:35:05.120 --> 00:35:07.210
  • put myself the least believer,
  • 00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:08.220
  • okay?
  • 00:35:08.220 --> 00:35:09.120
  • I have the Holy Spirit in me.
  • 00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:10.090
  • Think about what
  • 00:35:10.090 --> 00:35:11.130
  • the ramifications.
  • 00:35:11.130 --> 00:35:12.100
  • That means the blood, not
  • 00:35:12.100 --> 00:35:14.030
  • the blood of bulls and goats.
  • 00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:15.050
  • The blood of Jesus has so
  • 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:16.130
  • cleansed me that the triune God,
  • 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:19.260
  • the divine person of the Holy
  • 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.110
  • Spirit, could indwell me and
  • 00:35:21.110 --> 00:35:24.050
  • make me his home forever.
  • 00:35:24.050 --> 00:35:26.050
  • And that's why this idea that
  • 00:35:26.050 --> 00:35:27.230
  • when you sin he leaves you
  • 00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:30.130
  • doesn't hold water because Jesus
  • 00:35:30.130 --> 00:35:33.020
  • says he'll abide with you
  • 00:35:33.020 --> 00:35:34.110
  • forever, all right, which is not
  • 00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:37.080
  • true in the Old Testament
  • 00:35:37.080 --> 00:35:38.100
  • because he comes and he goes.
  • 00:35:38.100 --> 00:35:40.120
  • And that's why he can be grieved
  • 00:35:40.120 --> 00:35:43.040
  • because he's dead.
  • 00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:45.140
  • He's dead, but again, the idea
  • 00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:46.230
  • of grieving the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:47.220
  • Where does it appear?
  • 00:35:47.220 --> 00:35:48.120
  • In Ephesians.
  • 00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:50.000
  • But what's the verse before
  • 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:50.250
  • that?
  • 00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:51.160
  • You ask people, you know.
  • 00:35:51.160 --> 00:35:52.060
  • Charismatics are notorious for
  • 00:35:52.060 --> 00:35:53.040
  • this, you know.
  • 00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:54.080
  • "I feel grief, you know?
  • 00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:55.210
  • When the sister walked in just
  • 00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:56.280
  • now, I feel grief."
  • 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.250
  • No, sister, you're not grieved,
  • 00:35:57.250 --> 00:35:59.020
  • you're jealous.
  • 00:35:59.020 --> 00:35:59.230
  • Because she's prettier than you
  • 00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:02.000
  • or you are just jealous that
  • 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.230
  • she's just come to your cell
  • 00:36:03.230 --> 00:36:05.070
  • group now and you are afraid
  • 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:07.030
  • that, you know, you have--you
  • 00:36:07.030 --> 00:36:08.160
  • are--you've got competition, no?
  • 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:10.140
  • But the thing is this.
  • 00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:12.210
  • Everything we say, we have
  • 00:36:12.210 --> 00:36:14.070
  • grief.
  • 00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:14.270
  • The Holy Spirit is grieved.
  • 00:36:14.270 --> 00:36:15.180
  • But actually, in the context of
  • 00:36:15.180 --> 00:36:17.090
  • Ephesians, and it starts with,
  • 00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:19.280
  • "And grieve not
  • 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:20.190
  • the Holy Spirit."
  • 00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:21.180
  • What's the verse before that?
  • 00:36:21.180 --> 00:36:23.030
  • "Let no corrupt communication
  • 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:24.150
  • proceed out of your mouth but
  • 00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:26.220
  • that which is good to the use of
  • 00:36:26.220 --> 00:36:28.060
  • edifying, that it may minister
  • 00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:30.080
  • grace to the hearers."
  • 00:36:30.080 --> 00:36:33.060
  • So if your words minister grace
  • 00:36:33.060 --> 00:36:34.180
  • for us, you deserve for me to
  • 00:36:34.180 --> 00:36:36.110
  • say something nasty, all right?
  • 00:36:36.110 --> 00:36:38.170
  • But instead of saying something
  • 00:36:38.170 --> 00:36:39.220
  • bad, I say something
  • 00:36:39.220 --> 00:36:41.040
  • you don't deserve it.
  • 00:36:41.040 --> 00:36:43.080
  • I say, like, "Leon, you sure are
  • 00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:45.050
  • good looking, bro," all right?
  • 00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:48.010
  • And I say something
  • 00:36:48.010 --> 00:36:48.210
  • gracious to you.
  • 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:49.120
  • Now, that is why
  • 00:36:49.120 --> 00:36:51.140
  • the Holy Spirit's pleased.
  • 00:36:51.140 --> 00:36:53.060
  • By the same token, if I
  • 00:36:53.060 --> 00:36:54.170
  • speak--we think that
  • 00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:55.240
  • "let no corrupt communication,"
  • 00:36:55.240 --> 00:36:57.110
  • profanity, we think
  • 00:36:57.110 --> 00:36:58.040
  • of vulgarity,
  • 00:36:58.040 --> 00:36:59.220
  • that's what we think of.
  • 00:36:59.220 --> 00:37:01.010
  • Actually, corrupt communication
  • 00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:02.020
  • is anything that's not grace.
  • 00:37:02.020 --> 00:37:03.240
  • If I give you--if I say to you
  • 00:37:03.240 --> 00:37:05.220
  • what I think you deserved,
  • 00:37:05.220 --> 00:37:07.210
  • that's corrupt communication.
  • 00:37:07.210 --> 00:37:09.150
  • If I call you or speak to you
  • 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.280
  • as if you're not a child of God,
  • 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.010
  • that's corrupt communication.
  • 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:16.160
  • And that grieves
  • 00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:17.060
  • the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:37:17.060 --> 00:37:19.040
  • And the same Greek word there,
  • 00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:20.160
  • grieved, all right, you know,
  • 00:37:20.160 --> 00:37:22.210
  • this one time, one record
  • 00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:23.280
  • in the gospels where
  • 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.200
  • it says Jesus was grieved.
  • 00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:27.180
  • It's the only place where it
  • 00:37:27.180 --> 00:37:28.250
  • says Jesus was grieved
  • 00:37:28.250 --> 00:37:30.010
  • and he was angry.
  • 00:37:30.010 --> 00:37:30.230
  • Now, we think of, yeah,
  • 00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:32.070
  • he was angry when he drove
  • 00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:33.100
  • the money-changers,
  • 00:37:33.100 --> 00:37:34.010
  • but there's no record.
  • 00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:34.290
  • It is not stated he was angry.
  • 00:37:34.290 --> 00:37:37.260
  • We assume by his actions he was
  • 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.080
  • angry, right?
  • 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:40.290
  • But where it was stated that he
  • 00:37:40.290 --> 00:37:42.110
  • was angry and grieved was when
  • 00:37:42.110 --> 00:37:44.240
  • there was a man who needed
  • 00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:46.250
  • healing and the religious ruler,
  • 00:37:46.290 --> 00:37:49.290
  • all right, opposed that man
  • 00:37:49.290 --> 00:37:52.240
  • being healed.
  • 00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:55.190
  • And Jesus told the man to stand
  • 00:37:55.190 --> 00:37:57.270
  • in the front and he looked at
  • 00:37:57.270 --> 00:37:58.240
  • all of them with anger, being
  • 00:37:59.020 --> 00:38:02.040
  • grieved at the hardness of their
  • 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:04.070
  • hearts.
  • 00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:05.070
  • Two words are used in that one
  • 00:38:05.070 --> 00:38:07.190
  • instance, being grief and
  • 00:38:07.190 --> 00:38:09.060
  • hardness.
  • 00:38:09.060 --> 00:38:09.260
  • Now what was he grieved at?
  • 00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:11.050
  • Was it the pornography?
  • 00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:12.090
  • Was it that they were committing
  • 00:38:12.090 --> 00:38:13.210
  • adultery?
  • 00:38:13.210 --> 00:38:15.170
  • Was that they were doing?
  • 00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:16.230
  • All these things are wrong but
  • 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:18.000
  • in the context, what was Jesus
  • 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.190
  • grieved by?
  • 00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:20.160
  • Or was just angry.
  • 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:22.240
  • Even the woman caught in
  • 00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:23.160
  • adultery, it's not stated he was
  • 00:38:23.160 --> 00:38:24.270
  • angry with her.
  • 00:38:24.270 --> 00:38:26.190
  • I'm against adultery, all right?
  • 00:38:26.190 --> 00:38:29.090
  • But here, it's sins against
  • 00:38:29.090 --> 00:38:32.090
  • grace.
  • 00:38:32.090 --> 00:38:33.260
  • When you're not being gracious,
  • 00:38:33.260 --> 00:38:35.080
  • when you don't see grace.
  • 00:38:35.080 --> 00:38:36.230
  • When that Pharisee rebuke that
  • 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:40.050
  • man for being--wanting to be
  • 00:38:40.050 --> 00:38:41.160
  • healed, or tried to oppose his
  • 00:38:41.160 --> 00:38:44.010
  • healing, Jesus was angry.
  • 00:38:45.080 --> 00:38:48.080
  • He's angry at the lack of grace.
  • 00:38:48.080 --> 00:38:50.000
  • And I submit to you what he's
  • 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.210
  • angry with, what he's grieved
  • 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:52.290
  • with, what the Holy Spirit's
  • 00:38:52.290 --> 00:38:53.290
  • grieved with yesterday, he is
  • 00:38:53.290 --> 00:38:56.090
  • grieved with today,
  • 00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:58.000
  • when there's no grace.
  • 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.020
  • - Leon: You know what's
  • 00:39:00.020 --> 00:39:00.270
  • interesting is when you go to
  • 00:39:00.270 --> 00:39:01.200
  • the "Strong's" it talks about
  • 00:39:01.200 --> 00:39:03.140
  • different things about this
  • 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:05.180
  • power that you have.
  • 00:39:05.180 --> 00:39:06.290
  • Now, here's what I was raised to
  • 00:39:06.290 --> 00:39:08.130
  • believe.
  • 00:39:08.130 --> 00:39:09.040
  • That the fivefold ministry,
  • 00:39:09.040 --> 00:39:11.010
  • pastors and teachers and
  • 00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:12.040
  • evangelists and apostles, you
  • 00:39:12.040 --> 00:39:13.280
  • know, that they are the clergy.
  • 00:39:15.100 --> 00:39:18.100
  • You are the laity.
  • 00:39:18.230 --> 00:39:21.230
  • Professionals, rookies.
  • 00:39:24.050 --> 00:39:27.050
  • We are the ones,
  • 00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:29.230
  • the anointing is upon us.
  • 00:39:29.230 --> 00:39:31.270
  • But the Bible says the fivefold
  • 00:39:31.270 --> 00:39:33.180
  • to do the ministry and
  • 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:37.270
  • the miracles.
  • 00:39:37.270 --> 00:39:39.060
  • I'm to be coaching, you're to be
  • 00:39:39.060 --> 00:39:40.280
  • playing.
  • 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.050
  • Therefore, the presence of God
  • 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:43.130
  • is not stronger in me than in
  • 00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:46.150
  • you.
  • 00:39:46.150 --> 00:39:48.090
  • In the Old Testament, the
  • 00:39:48.090 --> 00:39:49.110
  • anointing was on the prophet,
  • 00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:50.200
  • the priest.
  • 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:51.100
  • It was on the king.
  • 00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:52.210
  • In the New Testament, we all
  • 00:39:52.210 --> 00:39:54.110
  • is in us.
  • 00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:58.110
  • Therefore, I do not have a
  • 00:39:58.110 --> 00:40:00.190
  • stronger anointing and you only
  • 00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:02.070
  • got half of Jesus, I got all of
  • 00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:04.240
  • Jesus.
  • 00:40:04.240 --> 00:40:05.140
  • Or you only got a quarter of him
  • 00:40:05.140 --> 00:40:06.240
  • and I got 100% of him.
  • 00:40:06.240 --> 00:40:08.260
  • No, in fact, what we need to do
  • 00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:11.070
  • is there needs to be an
  • 00:40:11.070 --> 00:40:12.030
  • understanding amongst business
  • 00:40:12.030 --> 00:40:13.220
  • people, nurses, doctors,
  • 00:40:13.220 --> 00:40:15.020
  • politicians, and artists.
  • 00:40:15.020 --> 00:40:17.010
  • How do the gifts of the Spirit
  • 00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:19.250
  • work in your sphere of
  • 00:40:19.250 --> 00:40:21.270
  • influence?
  • 00:40:21.270 --> 00:40:23.200
  • This word "power."
  • 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:24.230
  • When you go to the "Strong's,"
  • 00:40:24.230 --> 00:40:27.080
  • it says that--I'll give you
  • 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:28.150
  • a, b, c, d, e.
  • 00:40:28.150 --> 00:40:29.120
  • A, it's inherent power.
  • 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.170
  • It's permanent inseparable power
  • 00:40:31.200 --> 00:40:34.200
  • that resides in someone and it
  • 00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:37.090
  • says that this person can exert
  • 00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:40.040
  • that power, they can put it
  • 00:40:40.040 --> 00:40:41.240
  • forth.
  • 00:40:41.240 --> 00:40:42.250
  • Therefore, this power that we're
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:44.130
  • talking about, Holy Spirit,
  • 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:45.280
  • who was within us, it can be
  • 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.160
  • released and he never leaves.
  • 00:40:47.160 --> 00:40:49.020
  • The second thing that it talks
  • 00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:50.220
  • about in the definition of the
  • 00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:52.030
  • word "power" is it is for
  • 00:40:52.030 --> 00:40:53.200
  • performing miracles.
  • 00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:56.000
  • As a paramedic, I wanted
  • 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.280
  • miracles of healing.
  • 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.230
  • As a salesman, couldn't you find
  • 00:40:59.230 --> 00:41:02.000
  • miraculous thing in sales?
  • 00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:05.030
  • Absolutely.
  • 00:41:05.030 --> 00:41:06.160
  • C, did you know that the power
  • 00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:08.040
  • that we've received is for moral
  • 00:41:08.040 --> 00:41:09.210
  • power and excellence of soul?
  • 00:41:09.210 --> 00:41:12.190
  • That when Holy Spirit is within
  • 00:41:12.190 --> 00:41:15.120
  • us, that it's his power, it's
  • 00:41:15.120 --> 00:41:18.030
  • God's grace, that--it's him that
  • 00:41:18.030 --> 00:41:20.140
  • empowers us to live right and to
  • 00:41:20.140 --> 00:41:22.040
  • be excited about it.
  • 00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:23.080
  • To be able to break any
  • 00:41:23.080 --> 00:41:24.120
  • addiction that's upon us.
  • 00:41:24.120 --> 00:41:25.220
  • So there's this power within us
  • 00:41:25.220 --> 00:41:27.130
  • to live morally.
  • 00:41:27.130 --> 00:41:28.160
  • Then the power and the influence
  • 00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:30.230
  • which belongs to riches and
  • 00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:32.170
  • wealth.
  • 00:41:32.170 --> 00:41:34.140
  • That's--you are empowered.
  • 00:41:34.140 --> 00:41:35.230
  • As businesspeople, as moms,
  • 00:41:35.230 --> 00:41:37.230
  • dads, this power of Holy Spirit,
  • 00:41:37.230 --> 00:41:39.260
  • he--it is here to help you.
  • 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:41.130
  • And the gifts of the spirits
  • 00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:42.220
  • work in an accounting world.
  • 00:41:42.220 --> 00:41:44.070
  • They work in a hospital world.
  • 00:41:44.070 --> 00:41:45.200
  • They'll work in politics.
  • 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:47.010
  • The presence of God is ready to
  • 00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:48.180
  • flow out of us in so many
  • 00:41:48.180 --> 00:41:50.030
  • situations.
  • 00:41:50.030 --> 00:41:51.080
  • And then e, there's a power that
  • 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:53.040
  • arises from numbers.
  • 00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:55.000
  • F, power consisting in armed
  • 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.090
  • forces and host.
  • 00:41:57.090 --> 00:41:59.060
  • It's basically showing us that
  • 00:41:59.060 --> 00:42:01.100
  • when you are a born again
  • 00:42:01.100 --> 00:42:03.040
  • believer, filled with Holy
  • 00:42:03.040 --> 00:42:04.130
  • Spirit, that you could lead and
  • 00:42:04.130 --> 00:42:06.030
  • handle billions of dollars.
  • 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.200
  • You could handle running
  • 00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:08.250
  • a country.
  • 00:42:08.250 --> 00:42:09.150
  • You could handle being a general
  • 00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:11.010
  • over the armed forces and be
  • 00:42:11.010 --> 00:42:12.210
  • guided to protect and keep the
  • 00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:14.150
  • women and the children of that
  • 00:42:14.150 --> 00:42:15.180
  • country in the freedom that we
  • 00:42:15.180 --> 00:42:16.260
  • have.
  • 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:17.160
  • That it's not just for a church
  • 00:42:17.160 --> 00:42:19.260
  • It is for you, and everywhere
  • 00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:25.000
  • you go the presence of God will
  • 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.170
  • flow.
  • 00:42:27.170 --> 00:42:28.070
  • You know, the first time we even
  • 00:42:28.070 --> 00:42:29.170
  • hear about being filled with the
  • 00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:31.010
  • Spirit is in Exodus 31, Bezalel
  • 00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:33.230
  • and Oholiab, where they were
  • 00:42:33.230 --> 00:42:35.180
  • actually filled with the Spirit
  • 00:42:35.180 --> 00:42:36.290
  • for business, for the arts.
  • 00:42:37.290 --> 00:42:40.290
  • So God began to deal with me as
  • 00:42:40.290 --> 00:42:43.200
  • a paramedic.
  • 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:45.270
  • And that if I would begin to
  • 00:42:45.270 --> 00:42:47.290
  • renew my mind and anchor my
  • 00:42:47.290 --> 00:42:50.160
  • heart in the truths of the Word,
  • 00:42:50.260 --> 00:42:53.260
  • that I could begin to see
  • 00:42:53.260 --> 00:42:55.140
  • miraculous things taking place.
  • 00:42:55.290 --> 00:42:58.290
  • You know, my mom was a pastor.
  • 00:42:58.290 --> 00:43:01.220
  • And I have four brothers.
  • 00:43:01.220 --> 00:43:04.170
  • And my mom and dad have a sense
  • 00:43:04.170 --> 00:43:05.170
  • of humor 'cause I have twin
  • 00:43:05.170 --> 00:43:07.030
  • brothers and their names are
  • 00:43:07.030 --> 00:43:08.080
  • So you know they had a sense of
  • 00:43:12.030 --> 00:43:13.050
  • humor.
  • 00:43:13.050 --> 00:43:14.250
  • But when any of my brothers
  • 00:43:14.250 --> 00:43:16.030
  • would bring something into the
  • 00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:17.120
  • house, like, drugs, pornography,
  • 00:43:17.190 --> 00:43:20.190
  • we'd be sitting at the table at
  • 00:43:20.190 --> 00:43:22.170
  • dinner after school and after
  • 00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:24.070
  • work, and my mom would be
  • 00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:25.080
  • eating.
  • 00:43:25.080 --> 00:43:25.280
  • All of a sudden, she'd go...and
  • 00:43:27.150 --> 00:43:30.150
  • that--her son that
  • 00:43:32.290 --> 00:43:33.220
  • had brought--she'd,
  • 00:43:33.220 --> 00:43:34.190
  • "You, come with me."
  • 00:43:34.190 --> 00:43:36.130
  • And my brother would get up
  • 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:37.280
  • and she'd go, "You know you're
  • 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:38.220
  • not supposed to be bringing
  • 00:43:38.220 --> 00:43:39.130
  • drugs into this house."
  • 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:40.180
  • And she'd walk right into
  • 00:43:40.180 --> 00:43:41.250
  • the room where he'd hid it.
  • 00:43:41.250 --> 00:43:43.010
  • She wouldn't search,
  • 00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:43.280
  • she wouldn't look.
  • 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.140
  • She would go right to the spot
  • 00:43:45.140 --> 00:43:46.250
  • and pull it out and flush it
  • 00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:47.260
  • down the toilet and say,
  • 00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:49.010
  • "Don't you ever bring drugs
  • 00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:50.080
  • into my house again."
  • 00:43:50.080 --> 00:43:51.000
  • Us boys knew that
  • 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.080
  • they heard from God, okay?
  • 00:43:53.080 --> 00:43:56.000
  • 'Cause they would sense things
  • 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.220
  • and know things.
  • 00:43:57.220 --> 00:43:58.130
  • Why wouldn't Holy Spirit want to
  • 00:43:58.130 --> 00:44:00.110
  • help us to be parents?
  • 00:44:00.110 --> 00:44:02.290
  • Why wouldn't Holy Spirit guide
  • 00:44:02.290 --> 00:44:04.180
  • us to stop them from being hurt
  • 00:44:04.180 --> 00:44:06.290
  • and to guide--and let them even
  • 00:44:06.290 --> 00:44:07.290
  • know you better be good around
  • 00:44:07.290 --> 00:44:09.210
  • Mom and Dad because Holy Spirit
  • 00:44:09.210 --> 00:44:11.060
  • guides us to raise you up.
  • 00:44:11.060 --> 00:44:13.100
  • And Holy Spirit wants to help
  • 00:44:13.100 --> 00:44:15.050
  • every one of us.
  • 00:44:17.250 --> 00:44:20.250
  • I found that as I began to trust
  • 00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:22.150
  • and believe God, that miracles
  • 00:44:22.150 --> 00:44:24.210
  • begin to happen in that
  • 00:44:24.210 --> 00:44:26.050
  • hospital.
  • 00:44:26.050 --> 00:44:27.080
  • But I found that as a paramedic,
  • 00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:29.110
  • that people didn't like me doing
  • 00:44:29.110 --> 00:44:30.290
  • miracles.
  • 00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:32.040
  • And so they would try to have me
  • 00:44:32.040 --> 00:44:33.140
  • fired.
  • 00:44:33.140 --> 00:44:34.200
  • And so God had to teach me to be
  • 00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:36.120
  • contemporary as a paramedic in
  • 00:44:36.120 --> 00:44:38.220
  • a hospital.
  • 00:44:38.220 --> 00:44:39.260
  • I couldn't just walk out there
  • 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:41.240
  • like Smith Wigglesworth, grab
  • 00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:43.210
  • that body, throw it against
  • 00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:45.040
  • the wall, and say,
  • 00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:46.060
  • "Live in the name of Jesus."
  • 00:44:46.220 --> 00:44:49.220
  • Because if I did that,
  • 00:44:49.220 --> 00:44:50.290
  • they would arrest me.
  • 00:44:50.290 --> 00:44:53.090
  • They'd kick me out.
  • 00:44:53.090 --> 00:44:54.070
  • They'd fire me.
  • 00:44:54.070 --> 00:44:55.200
  • So I learned to slip into rooms
  • 00:44:55.200 --> 00:44:58.160
  • where people were dying and
  • 00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:00.070
  • just quietly speak to them
  • 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:02.290
  • and then pray with them.
  • 00:45:02.290 --> 00:45:04.200
  • And I would see miracle
  • 00:45:04.200 --> 00:45:06.110
  • after miracle take place.
  • 00:45:06.110 --> 00:45:08.170
  • One time, I was called into
  • 00:45:08.170 --> 00:45:10.040
  • the emergency ward and a lady
  • 00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:13.290
  • in there named Elsie went
  • 00:45:13.290 --> 00:45:15.220
  • to our church and worked
  • 00:45:15.220 --> 00:45:17.030
  • at the hospital as a cook.
  • 00:45:17.030 --> 00:45:19.110
  • She had slipped in the kitchen
  • 00:45:19.110 --> 00:45:21.040
  • and fallen so hard, that her hip
  • 00:45:21.040 --> 00:45:23.070
  • was busted and, if this is her
  • 00:45:23.070 --> 00:45:25.090
  • feet sticking out, this left
  • 00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:26.210
  • foot was good but the right foot
  • 00:45:26.210 --> 00:45:28.110
  • was facing the other direction
  • 00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:30.260
  • and shortened about
  • 00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:31.290
  • 5 to 6 inches 'cause
  • 00:45:31.290 --> 00:45:33.130
  • she'd busted her hip.
  • 00:45:33.130 --> 00:45:34.220
  • So she wouldn't let them touch
  • 00:45:35.260 --> 00:45:38.260
  • her 'til I prayed for her.
  • 00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:41.220
  • So I'm in the hospital, working.
  • 00:45:41.220 --> 00:45:44.030
  • This is, you know, when God's
  • 00:45:44.030 --> 00:45:45.110
  • learning--teaching me how to
  • 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:46.020
  • operate in the gifts, and I get
  • 00:45:46.020 --> 00:45:47.110
  • this page: "Leon Fontaine,
  • 00:45:47.110 --> 00:45:49.050
  • stat to emergency,"
  • 00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:50.090
  • which means get there right now.
  • 00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:52.140
  • So I go down there really
  • 00:45:52.140 --> 00:45:53.110
  • quickly and I say, "What?
  • 00:45:53.110 --> 00:45:54.080
  • What?"
  • 00:45:54.080 --> 00:45:54.280
  • And the nurse is standing
  • 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:55.260
  • like this.
  • 00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:57.100
  • And the doctor's like this.
  • 00:45:57.100 --> 00:45:59.090
  • And they said, "This woman
  • 00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:00.160
  • will not let us touch her
  • 00:46:00.160 --> 00:46:01.140
  • 'til you pray for her.
  • 00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:02.180
  • Would you hurry up
  • 00:46:02.180 --> 00:46:03.130
  • and pray for her?"
  • 00:46:03.130 --> 00:46:06.100
  • So I walked into the room and
  • 00:46:06.100 --> 00:46:07.280
  • here's Elsie laying on her back
  • 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.160
  • in pain and her one foot's
  • 00:46:09.160 --> 00:46:11.150
  • facing this way, the other
  • 00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:12.220
  • foot's this way.
  • 00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:13.120
  • And I said, "What's going on?"
  • 00:46:13.120 --> 00:46:15.050
  • "Leon, look at--look at this.
  • 00:46:15.050 --> 00:46:16.140
  • I'm in so--pray for me.
  • 00:46:16.140 --> 00:46:17.260
  • I'm gonna believe God."
  • 00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:18.220
  • I said, "All right."
  • 00:46:18.220 --> 00:46:19.200
  • So I reached over
  • 00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:20.130
  • and just spoke to that foot in
  • 00:46:20.130 --> 00:46:22.010
  • the name of Jesus and that was
  • 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:23.180
  • all the time they gave me.
  • 00:46:23.180 --> 00:46:24.220
  • It was, "Out!"
  • 00:46:24.220 --> 00:46:26.260
  • So I left and I happened to come
  • 00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:29.060
  • by a little bit later, maybe an
  • 00:46:29.060 --> 00:46:31.090
  • hour to 2 hours, and I can see
  • 00:46:31.090 --> 00:46:33.060
  • the nurse arguing with the
  • 00:46:33.060 --> 00:46:34.260
  • doctor.
  • 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:36.080
  • And they're looking at the x-ray
  • 00:46:36.080 --> 00:46:38.040
  • up on the screen.
  • 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:39.000
  • And she is going, "It's busted.
  • 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.180
  • I know it's busted."
  • 00:46:41.180 --> 00:46:42.260
  • And he's going,
  • 00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:43.160
  • "The x-ray says it's
  • 00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:44.100
  • fine.
  • 00:46:44.100 --> 00:46:45.000
  • I know she's fine.
  • 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:45.220
  • Get her out of here."
  • 00:46:45.220 --> 00:46:46.190
  • "No, I want you to re-x-ray her.
  • 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:48.070
  • There's a prob--"
  • 00:46:48.070 --> 00:46:49.010
  • "No, there is no problem.
  • 00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:50.110
  • We have x-" And they're arguing
  • 00:46:50.110 --> 00:46:51.240
  • back and forth.
  • 00:46:51.240 --> 00:46:52.150
  • So I slipped into Elsie's room
  • 00:46:52.150 --> 00:46:54.060
  • and there she is, both feet,
  • 00:46:54.060 --> 00:46:55.250
  • just smiling and said,
  • 00:46:55.250 --> 00:46:56.220
  • "Hi, Leon."
  • 00:46:56.220 --> 00:46:57.220
  • I went, "What happened?"
  • 00:46:57.220 --> 00:46:58.120
  • She said--I said,
  • 00:46:58.120 --> 00:46:59.020
  • "What happened?"
  • 00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:02.230
  • She goes, "After you left," she
  • 00:47:04.100 --> 00:47:07.100
  • said, "my foot begin to go..."
  • 00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:14.120
  • And for any doctors and nurses
  • 00:47:14.120 --> 00:47:15.120
  • that are here, or paramedics or
  • 00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:16.170
  • firemen, you know when that
  • 00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:18.030
  • major bone or that hip is
  • 00:47:18.030 --> 00:47:19.150
  • busted, you are not turning that
  • 00:47:19.150 --> 00:47:21.080
  • on your own at all.
  • 00:47:21.080 --> 00:47:22.200
  • She goes, "It came all the way
  • 00:47:22.200 --> 00:47:24.110
  • around like this, until it was
  • 00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:25.290
  • facing the right direction
  • 00:47:25.290 --> 00:47:27.080
  • as a foot."
  • 00:47:27.080 --> 00:47:28.070
  • And she goes,
  • 00:47:28.070 --> 00:47:28.270
  • "But it was way too short."
  • 00:47:28.270 --> 00:47:31.180
  • And I went, "God,"
  • 00:47:31.180 --> 00:47:32.110
  • and all of a sudden,
  • 00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:34.190
  • it went, shhhh.
  • 00:47:34.190 --> 00:47:36.050
  • And then it went click,
  • 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:38.240
  • and everything was done.
  • 00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:40.080
  • Now, people say, "Well,
  • 00:47:40.080 --> 00:47:41.070
  • Leon, I don't believe it."
  • 00:47:41.070 --> 00:47:42.050
  • I don't care what you believe.
  • 00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:43.020
  • We have x-rays
  • 00:47:43.020 --> 00:47:45.190
  • and doctors that have seen it.
  • 00:47:45.210 --> 00:47:48.210
  • - Joseph: When I was
  • 00:47:48.210 --> 00:47:49.290
  • in college, not in elementary
  • 00:47:49.290 --> 00:47:52.190
  • school, in college,
  • 00:47:52.190 --> 00:47:54.090
  • I stuttered and stammered.
  • 00:47:57.140 --> 00:47:59.100
  • That was my weakness.
  • 00:47:59.100 --> 00:48:00.210
  • And I remember a teacher, the
  • 00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:02.140
  • same teacher, I don't know why,
  • 00:48:02.140 --> 00:48:04.070
  • he's some sort of sadistic
  • 00:48:04.070 --> 00:48:05.290
  • teacher, you know, every time he
  • 00:48:05.290 --> 00:48:06.210
  • comes to the class he will ask
  • 00:48:06.210 --> 00:48:07.150
  • me to stand up and read
  • 00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:09.060
  • something, just for the sheer
  • 00:48:09.060 --> 00:48:10.210
  • fun of seeing my ears turn red
  • 00:48:10.210 --> 00:48:13.040
  • and the class start laughing.
  • 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:14.120
  • I can't even start.
  • 00:48:14.120 --> 00:48:16.010
  • I was just, "And--and--and--
  • 00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:17.150
  • the--and--and--and--and--and,"
  • 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.070
  • and all the girls start
  • 00:48:21.070 --> 00:48:22.110
  • laughing.
  • 00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:23.010
  • You know, you're at the age
  • 00:48:23.010 --> 00:48:23.210
  • where you are quite sensitive
  • 00:48:23.210 --> 00:48:24.270
  • to such things.
  • 00:48:24.270 --> 00:48:25.180
  • And I couldn't even speak,
  • 00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:26.200
  • couldn't even string a sentence.
  • 00:48:26.200 --> 00:48:28.000
  • I was a stammerer.
  • 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.010
  • There was my area of weakness.
  • 00:48:29.010 --> 00:48:30.200
  • And I always prayed and told
  • 00:48:30.200 --> 00:48:31.250
  • God, "Why do you make me like
  • 00:48:31.250 --> 00:48:33.060
  • this?
  • 00:48:33.060 --> 00:48:33.260
  • Why am I like that, you know?"
  • 00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:34.170
  • And I was socially awkward
  • 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:36.190
  • because of this.
  • 00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:37.160
  • But then, the very area right
  • 00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:40.220
  • now, all right, that was my
  • 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.280
  • weakness, that's where God's
  • 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.080
  • grace is being supplied.
  • 00:48:45.080 --> 00:48:47.020
  • So I tell people all the time,
  • 00:48:47.020 --> 00:48:48.130
  • "Look, you know, if you are the
  • 00:48:48.130 --> 00:48:49.190
  • shier type, God might put you
  • 00:48:49.190 --> 00:48:51.100
  • forward but don't be afraid.
  • 00:48:51.100 --> 00:48:52.080
  • It won't be you.
  • 00:48:52.080 --> 00:48:52.280
  • It'll be the grace of God.
  • 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.090
  • Now, whatever area--in fact, our
  • 00:48:54.090 --> 00:48:55.220
  • strength--his strength cannot
  • 00:48:55.220 --> 00:48:57.090
  • flow when we are strong there
  • 00:48:57.090 --> 00:48:58.290
  • because our strength impeding
  • 00:48:58.290 --> 00:49:01.270
  • that strength.
  • 00:49:01.270 --> 00:49:02.170
  • If you say that "God, I can,"
  • 00:49:02.170 --> 00:49:04.060
  • God says, "Okay, I let go."
  • 00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.130
  • But when you say,
  • 00:49:05.130 --> 00:49:07.100
  • "God, I can't,"
  • 00:49:07.100 --> 00:49:08.190
  • then God says, "I'll take it."
  • 00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:10.250
  • And many of the testimonies
  • 00:49:10.250 --> 00:49:12.030
  • that we have are people being
  • 00:49:12.030 --> 00:49:13.090
  • delivered from pornography, you
  • 00:49:13.090 --> 00:49:15.070
  • know, I mention many of these
  • 00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:16.230
  • testimonies in my books.
  • 00:49:16.230 --> 00:49:18.030
  • People are delivered from drug
  • 00:49:18.050 --> 00:49:21.050
  • addictions, you know?
  • 00:49:21.050 --> 00:49:23.010
  • Some solid stuff, I mean, really
  • 00:49:23.220 --> 00:49:26.220
  • drugs that are very, you know,
  • 00:49:26.220 --> 00:49:29.020
  • bondage-inducing.
  • 00:49:29.020 --> 00:49:30.220
  • I mean, these are years and
  • 00:49:30.220 --> 00:49:31.290
  • years of bondage: 10 years,
  • 00:49:31.290 --> 00:49:33.020
  • 15 years, 20 years of bondage,
  • 00:49:33.020 --> 00:49:34.240
  • just like that.
  • 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.280
  • Reading the materials, listening
  • 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.080
  • to the grace message,
  • 00:49:40.080 --> 00:49:41.010
  • but this a paramount thing.
  • 00:49:41.010 --> 00:49:42.090
  • They always come to this,
  • 00:49:42.090 --> 00:49:43.260
  • "Lord, I can't, but you can."
  • 00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.140
  • That's the confession
  • 00:49:46.140 --> 00:49:47.040
  • I tell them to make.
  • 00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:48.040
  • Tell the Lord, every time you
  • 00:49:48.040 --> 00:49:48.270
  • are smoking--they will still
  • 00:49:48.270 --> 00:49:50.110
  • smoke, all right?
  • 00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:51.050
  • But every time you smoke, you
  • 00:49:51.050 --> 00:49:52.060
  • just say, "Lord, I can't.
  • 00:49:52.060 --> 00:49:53.220
  • I can't, but you can.
  • 00:49:53.220 --> 00:49:56.110
  • I'm looking to you, Lord.
  • 00:49:56.110 --> 00:49:57.080
  • I can't, but you can."
  • 00:49:57.080 --> 00:49:59.120
  • Watching pornography.
  • 00:49:59.120 --> 00:50:00.050
  • The last thing you wanna do is
  • 00:50:00.050 --> 00:50:01.000
  • to say, "I am the righteousness
  • 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.130
  • of God in Christ,"
  • 00:50:02.130 --> 00:50:03.210
  • while you're watching.
  • 00:50:03.210 --> 00:50:05.020
  • The devil will yell in your ear,
  • 00:50:05.020 --> 00:50:06.130
  • "You are hypocrite."
  • 00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:07.040
  • But you know something?
  • 00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:08.180
  • If I preach like this, "While
  • 00:50:08.180 --> 00:50:09.210
  • you're watching, while you're
  • 00:50:09.210 --> 00:50:10.180
  • smoking, confess you're the
  • 00:50:10.180 --> 00:50:12.040
  • righteousness of God in Christ,"
  • 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:13.290
  • man, I tell you, the religious
  • 00:50:13.290 --> 00:50:16.030
  • spirits just come, "How can you
  • 00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:17.110
  • tell people to do that?
  • 00:50:17.110 --> 00:50:18.110
  • They will still do it without
  • 00:50:18.110 --> 00:50:19.260
  • confessing anything.
  • 00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:21.090
  • They will still be watching.
  • 00:50:21.090 --> 00:50:22.050
  • They'll still be smoking behind
  • 00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:23.120
  • your back, Pastor.
  • 00:50:23.120 --> 00:50:24.150
  • Behind your back.
  • 00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:25.050
  • Behind your back, Minister,"
  • 00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:26.040
  • all right?
  • 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:27.070
  • But I'm telling them what to do
  • 00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:28.100
  • because Romans 5:17 says that
  • 00:50:28.140 --> 00:50:31.140
  • "if by one man's offense death
  • 00:50:31.140 --> 00:50:33.000
  • reigned by one, much more they
  • 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.030
  • which receive abundance of
  • 00:50:35.030 --> 00:50:37.010
  • grace," not just a trickle.
  • 00:50:37.010 --> 00:50:38.240
  • This, I'm preaching abundantly
  • 00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:40.130
  • on grace, all right?
  • 00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:42.090
  • "And the gift, those who receive
  • 00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:43.200
  • abundance of grace and the gift
  • 00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:45.150
  • of righteousness shall," what?
  • 00:50:45.150 --> 00:50:46.280
  • "Reign in life."
  • 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:48.200
  • So when you reign in life,
  • 00:50:48.200 --> 00:50:49.230
  • tobacco doesn't.
  • 00:50:49.230 --> 00:50:51.040
  • When you reign in life,
  • 00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:51.270
  • drugs don't.
  • 00:50:51.270 --> 00:50:52.260
  • When you reign in life,
  • 00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:53.180
  • Satan doesn't.
  • 00:50:53.180 --> 00:50:54.220
  • When you reign,
  • 00:50:54.220 --> 00:50:55.270
  • all your addictions don't.
  • 00:50:55.270 --> 00:50:58.020
  • So how do you reign in life?
  • 00:50:58.020 --> 00:50:59.250
  • And these are the two things
  • 00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:00.210
  • that's being attacked by
  • 00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:01.150
  • the devil: abundance of grace.
  • 00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:03.210
  • "Oh, that Joseph Prince
  • 00:51:03.210 --> 00:51:04.180
  • preaches grace too much."
  • 00:51:04.180 --> 00:51:06.130
  • We need abundance of grace.
  • 00:51:06.130 --> 00:51:07.270
  • The next thing is that we have
  • 00:51:07.270 --> 00:51:09.100
  • turned the gift of righteousness
  • 00:51:09.100 --> 00:51:10.220
  • into a reward when it's a gift.
  • 00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:15.060
  • They are the power twins
  • 00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:16.130
  • and God says, "If you receive
  • 00:51:16.130 --> 00:51:17.140
  • this both," and by the way,
  • 00:51:17.140 --> 00:51:18.260
  • the receive there
  • 00:51:18.260 --> 00:51:19.160
  • is a present continuous tense.
  • 00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:21.150
  • - Leon: Ongoing.
  • 00:51:21.150 --> 00:51:22.160
  • - Joseph: You gotta keep on
  • 00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:23.210
  • consciously because the world
  • 00:51:23.210 --> 00:51:24.180
  • out there is legalistic,
  • 00:51:24.180 --> 00:51:26.270
  • you know?
  • 00:51:26.270 --> 00:51:27.170
  • Keep on receiving the gift
  • 00:51:27.170 --> 00:51:29.100
  • of righteousness.
  • 00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:30.110
  • So when you're watching
  • 00:51:30.110 --> 00:51:31.190
  • pornography, let's say,
  • 00:51:31.190 --> 00:51:32.160
  • for example, what do you do?
  • 00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:34.090
  • You know you're in bondage.
  • 00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:35.090
  • This is your weakness.
  • 00:51:35.090 --> 00:51:36.150
  • So you say, "Lord, I am--
  • 00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:37.210
  • I'm still righteous, Lord."
  • 00:51:37.210 --> 00:51:39.070
  • And of course, you are
  • 00:51:39.070 --> 00:51:39.270
  • saying it out of your mouth.
  • 00:51:39.270 --> 00:51:41.160
  • You don't really believe it,
  • 00:51:41.160 --> 00:51:42.190
  • but, "Lord, thank you, Lord.
  • 00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:44.120
  • I'm still righteous.
  • 00:51:44.120 --> 00:51:45.060
  • Nothing I do can change the fact
  • 00:51:45.060 --> 00:51:47.010
  • I'm righteous."
  • 00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:47.210
  • There are so many
  • 00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:48.160
  • testimonies of people
  • 00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:49.160
  • with 15 years' bondage to
  • 00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:52.110
  • pornography, drug addiction.
  • 00:51:52.110 --> 00:51:54.160
  • They woke up one day and they
  • 00:51:54.160 --> 00:51:56.020
  • said, "The desire's gone.
  • 00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:57.170
  • And, Pastor Prince,
  • 00:51:57.170 --> 00:51:58.260
  • it's been 5 years now.
  • 00:51:58.260 --> 00:51:59.240
  • Pastor Prince, been 7 years now.
  • 00:51:59.240 --> 00:52:01.070
  • I've not touched a drug.
  • 00:52:01.070 --> 00:52:02.240
  • I've not watched pornography."
  • 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:04.220
  • This is a how-to,
  • 00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:05.200
  • what the pastors want to
  • 00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:06.230
  • see accomplished.
  • 00:52:06.230 --> 00:52:07.180
  • Isn't this holiness?
  • 00:52:07.180 --> 00:52:10.060
  • - Leon: When that person
  • 00:52:10.060 --> 00:52:10.260
  • just--let's dive into that,
  • 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.080
  • this situation.
  • 00:52:14.080 --> 00:52:14.290
  • So someone's got an addiction.
  • 00:52:14.290 --> 00:52:16.140
  • They're embarrassed.
  • 00:52:16.140 --> 00:52:17.100
  • They've tried, they've begged,
  • 00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:18.240
  • they've been in every prayer
  • 00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:19.260
  • line, they've been anointed with
  • 00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:21.060
  • oil, massaged, prayer towers,
  • 00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:22.180
  • prayer basements.
  • 00:52:22.180 --> 00:52:23.130
  • Fifty million people have prayed
  • 00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:25.050
  • for them, nothing has happened.
  • 00:52:25.050 --> 00:52:26.250
  • And all of a--and they're
  • 00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:28.010
  • Christians.
  • 00:52:28.010 --> 00:52:28.270
  • to declare their position in
  • 00:52:31.080 --> 00:52:33.100
  • Christ, who they are.
  • 00:52:33.100 --> 00:52:34.160
  • Then it's like deep inside of
  • 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.280
  • them where their spirit man,
  • 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.140
  • where God has remade them, and
  • 00:52:39.140 --> 00:52:41.270
  • Holy Spirit, it's like, it
  • 00:52:41.270 --> 00:52:43.290
  • begins to flow into their lives,
  • 00:52:43.290 --> 00:52:46.140
  • correct?
  • 00:52:46.140 --> 00:52:47.040
  • - Joseph: Yeah, you're right.
  • 00:52:47.040 --> 00:52:47.250
  • - Leon: And so the Bible
  • 00:52:47.250 --> 00:52:48.250
  • teaches about body, soul,
  • 00:52:48.250 --> 00:52:50.060
  • spirit, so when we get born
  • 00:52:50.060 --> 00:52:51.210
  • again, our spirit man is alive,
  • 00:52:51.210 --> 00:52:54.140
  • perfect, beautiful, filled with
  • 00:52:54.140 --> 00:52:56.040
  • Christ.
  • 00:52:56.040 --> 00:52:56.240
  • As he is, so are we in this
  • 00:52:56.240 --> 00:52:58.090
  • world.
  • 00:52:58.090 --> 00:52:59.000
  • But our mind, we're trying to
  • 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:00.250
  • renew and our body we're trying
  • 00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:02.240
  • to make a living sacrifice, and
  • 00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:04.290
  • we've all tried for decades and
  • 00:53:04.290 --> 00:53:06.190
  • decades in the church to bring
  • 00:53:06.190 --> 00:53:08.150
  • the law, bring the law, to rein
  • 00:53:08.150 --> 00:53:09.290
  • it in and it doesn't work.
  • 00:53:09.290 --> 00:53:11.050
  • And you're going and saying,
  • 00:53:11.050 --> 00:53:12.100
  • "No, no, I'm just having them
  • 00:53:12.100 --> 00:53:14.080
  • declare who they are by nature.
  • 00:53:14.170 --> 00:53:17.170
  • And then that nature, that
  • 00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:20.070
  • power, begins to flow out.
  • 00:53:20.070 --> 00:53:21.210
  • And they lose the desire."
  • 00:53:22.120 --> 00:53:25.120
  • Are we on the same page?
  • 00:53:25.120 --> 00:53:26.080
  • - Joseph: You are breaking it
  • 00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:26.290
  • down, brother, very well.
  • 00:53:26.290 --> 00:53:28.210
  • And that's the way it works
  • 00:53:28.210 --> 00:53:29.210
  • because you must be righteous.
  • 00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:31.190
  • You're not confessing you're
  • 00:53:31.190 --> 00:53:33.000
  • righteous to be righteous.
  • 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:34.170
  • You already are.
  • 00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:35.160
  • We are created and the new man
  • 00:53:35.160 --> 00:53:37.260
  • is created in Ephesians in
  • 00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:39.120
  • righteousness and true holiness.
  • 00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:41.070
  • That's the new man that we have.
  • 00:53:41.070 --> 00:53:42.250
  • And the one that you mentioned
  • 00:53:42.250 --> 00:53:43.240
  • just now, "old things are passed
  • 00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:45.080
  • away, all things have
  • 00:53:45.080 --> 00:53:46.000
  • become new."
  • 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:46.200
  • That new man created
  • 00:53:46.200 --> 00:53:48.220
  • in Christ Jesus is righteous.
  • 00:53:48.220 --> 00:53:51.170
  • And when I'm declaring I'm the
  • 00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:53.020
  • righteousness of God in Christ,
  • 00:53:53.020 --> 00:53:54.180
  • all right, number one is that
  • 00:53:54.180 --> 00:53:56.070
  • that's my true identity.
  • 00:53:56.070 --> 00:53:57.180
  • What I'm doing right now, okay,
  • 00:53:57.180 --> 00:53:59.250
  • even though it's sinful, it's
  • 00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:01.060
  • wrong, and I don't want it--God
  • 00:54:01.060 --> 00:54:03.080
  • knows I don't want it, but I'm
  • 00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:04.200
  • in bondage to it, all right?
  • 00:54:04.200 --> 00:54:06.240
  • So how do I work on it?
  • 00:54:06.240 --> 00:54:08.080
  • My willpower?
  • 00:54:08.080 --> 00:54:09.210
  • No way.
  • 00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:10.110
  • It's got me only this far, okay?
  • 00:54:10.110 --> 00:54:12.270
  • And willpower will cause you to
  • 00:54:12.270 --> 00:54:14.250
  • go into a morass, a cesspool
  • 00:54:14.250 --> 00:54:16.200
  • of even more filth and sin.
  • 00:54:16.200 --> 00:54:18.120
  • But if you respect, not,
  • 00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:20.260
  • "I still am righteous."
  • 00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:22.260
  • When does it really matter when
  • 00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:24.170
  • that declaration, "I'm the
  • 00:54:24.170 --> 00:54:25.220
  • righteousness of God in Christ,"
  • 00:54:25.220 --> 00:54:27.020
  • when does it really matter?
  • 00:54:27.020 --> 00:54:27.250
  • When you're doing right?
  • 00:54:27.250 --> 00:54:30.000
  • It's when you're doing wrong.
  • 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:31.010
  • The devil will yell,
  • 00:54:31.010 --> 00:54:33.050
  • "Are you still righteous?"
  • 00:54:33.050 --> 00:54:35.080
  • - Leon: Now you could tie
  • 00:54:35.080 --> 00:54:35.280
  • that verse into there like,
  • 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.070
  • "God resists the proud but
  • 00:54:37.230 --> 00:54:40.230
  • gives grace to the humble."
  • 00:54:40.230 --> 00:54:43.010
  • Would this fit in here?
  • 00:54:43.010 --> 00:54:44.020
  • - Joseph: It would fit because
  • 00:54:44.020 --> 00:54:45.120
  • you're not relying anymore on
  • 00:54:45.120 --> 00:54:47.220
  • your willpower, your efforts,
  • 00:54:47.220 --> 00:54:49.220
  • your works.
  • 00:54:49.220 --> 00:54:50.210
  • Proud people depend on
  • 00:54:50.210 --> 00:54:51.250
  • themselves.
  • 00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:52.270
  • I don't need help.
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  • But the more you say, "I am the
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  • righteousness of God in Christ."
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  • "In Christ" is a focus.
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  • "Lord, I thank you that as
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  • Christ is, so am I.
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  • It is who I am."
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  • - Leon: See, I would look at
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  • what you're saying, and go, "To
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  • be carnally minded is death."
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  • And to me, that simply means to
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  • focus on my strength to get the
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  • job done.
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  • To be carnally minded is death.
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  • But to be spiritually minded, is
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  • life and peace.
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  • So you're telling this man and
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  • this woman in the middle of
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  • their temptation, in the middle
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  • of even doing wrong, continue to
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  • declare.
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  • All they're doing is what Romans
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  • 8 says to do.
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  • Is just stay focused on the
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  • spirit life and it begins to
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  • flow in and it begins to take
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  • over.
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  • - Joseph: Amen, and they reign
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  • in life.
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  • And if the viewers want more
  • 00:55:36.180 --> 00:55:38.080
  • to see how these people do it,
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  • they can go to my website,
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  • josephprince.com.
  • 00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:44.100
  • We have a testimonial area where
  • 00:55:44.100 --> 00:55:46.090
  • there are many, many, numerous
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  • letters of--from people,
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  • especially in America, Canada,
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  • around the world, that have talk
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  • about how they got delivered
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  • from pornography.
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  • You know, Leon, I always wonder,
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  • like, people that share about
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  • how they got delivered from
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  • pornography because we even have
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  • people on video testifying, all
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  • right, from America, Australia,
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  • London.
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  • And they testify that how they
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  • got--I was in bondage
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  • pornography ever since I was a
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  • young boy of 8 years old, you
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  • know the kind of thing?
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  • If I got delivered from
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  • pornography, I wouldn't be on
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  • [laughing]
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  • - Leon: And you know, it shows
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  • you how sincere--
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  • - Joseph: But it shows
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  • how--yeah, it shows how the
  • 00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:20.070
  • grace of God is so--and so many
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  • of them, I would encourage the
  • 00:56:21.160 --> 00:56:22.090
  • viewers to take time to go to
  • 00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:23.160
  • josephprince.com.
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  • Go to the testimonial area,
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  • whether it's for healing, for
  • 00:56:26.120 --> 00:56:28.030
  • deliverance, from--and see how
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  • these people--and it's not the
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  • usual "Do your best, pray more,
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  • fast more."
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  • It is just relying
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  • on Christ and his finished work.
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  • And the Holy Spirit bears
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  • witness with Christ, you know,
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  • and that's your deliverance.
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  • - Leon: You know, it's--when
  • 00:56:46.090 --> 00:56:47.000
  • you talk about God's grace, it
  • 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.250
  • was so mind-blowing that the
  • 00:56:50.100 --> 00:56:53.100
  • apostle Paul himself--how
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  • many--was it 14 years it took
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  • him to read--to spend time in
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  • the Word on the desert, going
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  • through all the Old Testament
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  • and he was trained and ingrained
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  • into law, as no one else
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  • probably would have.
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  • - Joseph: Share with me what
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  • you shared during our dinner.
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  • You shared about how God had to
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  • bring Paul away from the--all
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  • the regular disciples.
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  • - Leon: Yeah, no, I was--we
  • 00:57:15.210 --> 00:57:16.200
  • were just--you and I had a--we
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  • must have talked 4 hours.
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  • That was fun, but about--how
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  • about when the apostle Paul,
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  • when he had that experience, he
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  • only spent a few days with the
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  • disciples in any area in those
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  • 14 years.
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  • And for 14 years, he was on the
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  • back side of the desert.
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  • And the only thing I can think
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  • that he would be doing would be
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  • poring through the Scriptures
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  • because he met with Jesus and he
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  • gave him the revelation of
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  • grace.
  • 00:57:38.060 --> 00:57:39.050
  • And he had to sit there and I
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  • think that this revelation, he
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  • had to go--and he found it all
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  • through the Old Testament, all
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  • the types and shadows.
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  • And then he wrote.
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  • And I think that for people like
  • 00:57:49.080 --> 00:57:51.180
  • you and I who were raised and
  • 00:57:51.180 --> 00:57:53.280
  • taught beautifully, quote,
  • 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.190
  • unquote, "the law," and never
  • 00:57:55.200 --> 00:57:58.200
  • really did find--
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  • - Joseph: Sometimes we have to
  • 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:00.220
  • get out of it sometimes, though,
  • 00:58:00.220 --> 00:58:02.000
  • if you're able to see.
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  • Yeah, it takes time, you're
  • 00:58:02.230 --> 00:58:04.020
  • right.
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  • - Leon: Right, we've got about
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  • 30 seconds left, but I have to
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  • say that every day I need to
  • 00:58:06.180 --> 00:58:09.060
  • spend time in the Word to remind
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  • myself, to look, you know, the
  • 00:58:11.160 --> 00:58:14.160
  • image in the mirror isn't me.
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  • It's my image.
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  • But I like looking at the Bible
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  • because it's showing me who I
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  • am.
  • 00:58:21.250 --> 00:58:22.150
  • And I wanna thank you for just
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  • being with us today.
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  • Actually, we're here in
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  • Singapore.
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  • I'm on your turf.
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  • And we're just having a great
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  • time.
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  • And we're gonna do another show
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  • together and I think we're gonna
  • 00:58:30.290 --> 00:58:32.110
  • really unpack faith, the heart,
  • 00:58:32.110 --> 00:58:35.080
  • and just kinda step by step help
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  • people.
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  • - Joseph: Maybe also on the
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  • area of healings and--
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  • - Leon: Area of healing, yeah,
  • 00:58:41.070 --> 00:58:41.290
  • because it all comes together.
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  • And I think give people a really
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  • practical guide with this
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  • gorgeous message of grace.
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  • Thank you so much for this.
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  • - Joseph: Thank you for having
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  • me.
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  • - Leon: I wanna encourage you
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  • to go to the websites.
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  • It'll be on the screen and just
  • 00:58:51.210 --> 00:58:53.200
  • resource yourself with and hear
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  • the testimonies.
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  • Get some of the great material
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  • from Joseph Prince and I know
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  • you'll be blessed.
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  • you'll be blessed.
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