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  • - female announcer: Tonight
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  • from the TBN studios in
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  • Jerusalem, regional director
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  • of TBN Israel, Samuel Smadja;
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  • author, Rachel Lucado;
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  • and author and pastor,
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  • - Max Lucado: Hi, everybody.
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  • Max Lucado here.
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  • And yes, I'm in the beautiful,
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  • historic, significant, and
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  • We're in Israel.
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  • What you see over my shoulder
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  • is not a green screen,
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  • it's not a painting.
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  • It is really the Old City
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  • of Jerusalem.
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  • We're honored to be in Israel,
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  • honored to be in
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  • the TBN studios.
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  • And in just a minute I'm gonna
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  • introduce you to the most
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  • interesting man in Israel.
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  • You know, if you could somehow
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  • create a tapestry of humanity,
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  • I mean, literally a beautiful
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  • interweaving, a mosaic tapestry
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  • of humanity starting at the
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  • story of Adam and Eve and going
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  • all the way to the very end and
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  • we're not at the end yet,
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  • the best way to describe what
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  • we're going to be discussing
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  • today would be to take a crimson
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  • thread--a crimson thread and
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  • begin interweaving that crimson
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  • thread throughout this tapestry.
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  • At times, this crimson thread
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  • will disappear.
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  • At times it will reappear.
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  • But it will always be there.
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  • And this is the thread that
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  • represents the Jewish people,
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  • the children of Abraham.
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  • Sometimes more visible,
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  • sometimes invisible,
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  • but always present.
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  • I want us to talk about this
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  • fascination that we have as
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  • Christians with the Hebrew
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  • people, with the Jewish people,
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  • with the nation of Israel.
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  • And I've invited a person who's
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  • probably more qualified to speak
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  • on this particular topic than
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  • anyone else that I've ever met.
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  • Samuel Smadja understands the
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  • Hebrew faith and the Christian
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  • faith and, as you hear his
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  • story, you'll see why he has
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  • probably heard or been asked
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  • more questions about the
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  • Christians of Israel, the faith
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  • of Israel, than any person
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  • in Israel.
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  • Highly regarded, highly
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  • respected, both as a leader, as
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  • a pastor, as a believer; even,
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  • yes, as a diplomat.
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  • And I'm so honored to introduce
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  • Samuel Smadja to you.
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  • - Samuel Smadja: Thank you.
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  • - Max: Thank you.
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  • - Samuel: Overwhelming.
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  • - Max: Well--can you tell--give
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  • us a summary of your life, how
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  • - Samuel: I was born here
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  • in Jerusalem.
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  • As most of Israelis, our parents
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  • came from a different part
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  • of the--in the world.
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  • Most of Israelis
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  • immigrated to Israel.
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  • My parents came from Tunisia,
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  • Both my parents met Yeshua,
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  • the Messiah, in Tunisia, North
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  • Africa, by two different
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  • individual who spent their life
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  • to come and to be a witness
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  • to the Jewish people.
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  • My father met this gentleman and
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  • this gentleman, a British
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  • missionary, who came to Tunisia,
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  • North Africa, who gave him
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  • a Bible in French.
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  • And my father read the Bible for
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  • 2 years and he came to the
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  • conclusion that Yeshua, that
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  • Jesus, is the Jewish Messiah.
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  • It's not such a simple
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  • conclusion for a Jewish man.
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  • My grandfather was captured in
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  • South of France.
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  • He was a businessman between
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  • Tunisia and South of France
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  • and he was taken all the way
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  • to Auschwitz during
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  • the Second World War
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  • and never came back home.
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  • And for the Jewish understanding
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  • and it's a truth, not just an
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  • understanding, it was Christian
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  • people or people who proclaim to
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  • be Christians who killed and
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  • murder 6 million Jews and my
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  • grandfather was one of them.
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  • So when my father came to
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  • the conclusion that Yeshua was
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  • the Messiah, that Jesus was
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  • the Messiah, he went to his mom
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  • and he said, "Mom, I believe
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  • that Jesus is the Messiah."
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  • For my grandmother,
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  • was not good news.
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  • Not at all.
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  • - Max: She reacted,
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  • I would imagine.
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  • - Samuel: She reacted because
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  • in her understanding it was
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  • Christian people who killed
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  • her husband.
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  • And now the Christian--and now
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  • her son is joining this
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  • terrible, terrible religion and
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  • she couldn't understand that.
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  • He said, "No, I believe that
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  • he's the Jewish Messiah
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  • to the Jewish people."
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  • To make the story short,
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  • she took him to the rabbi
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  • and from one rabbi to another to
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  • try to show him that he's wrong.
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  • And one rabbi impacted my father
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  • and said, "You believe that
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  • Yeshua, that Jesus is the
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  • Messiah because you read the
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  • Bible in the French language.
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  • If you would read the Hebrew,
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  • original Scripture, you would
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  • never come to that conclusion."
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  • And that was the reason my
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  • father in 1956 immigrate to
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  • Israel to learn Hebrew.
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  • And once he was here, he came to
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  • the conclusion not only that
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  • Yeshua is the Messiah, that
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  • Jesus was the Messiah, but that
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  • he needs to bring a Jewish
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  • Messiah to the Jewish people.
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  • At that time, the amount of--the
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  • number of believers was maybe 10
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  • to 20 in the whole country.
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  • - Max: In the whole country,
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  • there were only 10 to 20
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  • believers.
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  • - Samuel: Ten, twenty, maybe
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  • thirty, but really very--
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  • - Max: Just a handful.
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  • - Samuel: A handful of
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  • believers.
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  • My father really felt that that
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  • was his calling.
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  • He start publishing books, he
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  • started to go door to door and
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  • to try to bring a Jewish Messiah
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  • to the Jewish people but it
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  • wasn't a very easy task and it
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  • wasn't a message that the Jewish
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  • people can really accept
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  • so easy.
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  • - Max: What do you mean, a
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  • Jewish Messiah to Jewish people?
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  • - Samuel: Our goal is not to
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  • bring "Christianity," quote,
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  • unquote, to the Jewish people.
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  • We wanna bring, like,
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  • Jesus came.
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  • In Matthew 5:17, he says,
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  • "I came for the lost sheep
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  • of Israel."
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  • So let's define what
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  • did he say there?
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  • He came to his own.
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  • Definitely through him, he
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  • opened a door to the rest of
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  • the world.
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  • But his own didn't see him.
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  • And we are called to bring this
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  • message to the Jewish people, a
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  • Messiah that comfort, a Messiah
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  • that deliver from sin, a Messiah
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  • that gives hope and give a inner
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  • peace, like Isaiah tells us in
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  • chapter 53.
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  • And that's the message.
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  • You see, we have to be very
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  • careful when we talk to
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  • Jewish people.
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  • We're not here to convert
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  • the Jews into Christianity.
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  • And when we read the Scripture,
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  • most of the time when Paul is
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  • talking about conversion, he's
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  • talking about you guys, sorry.
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  • To the Gentile, he's telling
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  • the Gentile, "Guys, you need to
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  • convert 'cause you are believing
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  • in this god of the sun and the
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  • god of the water and the seas
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  • and so on, into the faith of the
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  • one, the only God, the God of
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  • Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
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  • When he was talking to the Jews,
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  • he was always talking about
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  • repentance, about return.
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  • In Hebrew we call it teshuvah.
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  • You have to return to your
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  • God--to your God and recognize
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  • the man from Nazareth
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  • as your Messiah.
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  • And that's a hard message
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  • to the Jewish people.
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  • - Max: That's hard.
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  • I can imagine then that when
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  • your father came here--how old
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  • was he, by the way, at that
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  • point, would you say, 50--
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  • - Samuel: He was in his--
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  • no, he was in his 20s, 26.
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  • - Max: Twenty--just
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  • a young man, young man.
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  • You said there were 30
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  • or 40 Christians maybe
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  • in the whole country.
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  • Any estimation as to
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  • how many there might be?
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  • - Samuel: We think we're
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  • running between
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  • 15.000 to 20.000.
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  • - Max: So a significant,
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  • significant increase, yeah.
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  • Samuel, you talk about how
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  • the Jewish people perceived
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  • Christians.
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  • Do you see that changing?
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  • When a typical Jewish person
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  • sees a cross or they hear about
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  • a church, do you see any change?
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  • - Samuel: I think we need to
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  • make a differences.
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  • When a Jew sees the cross and
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  • he sees a cross in a church,
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  • the cross is a symbol which is a
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  • hard symbol to the cross because
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  • the crusader were using the same
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  • cross to murder Jews.
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  • And the inquisition and
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  • the pogroms were all using
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  • the same thing.
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  • But today, in Israel, the Jewish
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  • people, the state of Israel,
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  • understand that there in this
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  • vast, if you wanna say name of
  • 00:08:37.210 --> 00:08:40.150
  • Christians, there is a group
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  • of Christian who is very
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  • pro-Israeli, loves Israel,
  • 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.230
  • people like you.
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  • The evangelical church has
  • 00:08:47.130 --> 00:08:49.160
  • changed tremendously the mindset
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  • of the Jewish people.
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  • Sunday--actually, it was even
  • 00:08:53.060 --> 00:08:55.090
  • hard for them in the beginning
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  • to understand what's
  • 00:08:56.180 --> 00:08:57.190
  • this all love?
  • 00:08:57.190 --> 00:08:58.090
  • And now, every Israeli will tell
  • 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:01.090
  • you that our best friends--
  • 00:09:01.090 --> 00:09:03.210
  • the best friends of Israel are
  • 00:09:03.210 --> 00:09:05.130
  • the evangelical Christian
  • 00:09:05.130 --> 00:09:06.250
  • around the world.
  • 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:08.040
  • So thanks to people like you and
  • 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:09.290
  • people like in TBN and all that,
  • 00:09:09.290 --> 00:09:11.250
  • that are bringing a new fresh
  • 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:15.180
  • wind, if I wanna say,
  • 00:09:15.180 --> 00:09:17.010
  • of Christianity to
  • 00:09:17.010 --> 00:09:17.290
  • the Jewish people.
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  • - Max: What are some
  • 00:09:19.020 --> 00:09:20.160
  • misconceptions, do you think,
  • 00:09:20.160 --> 00:09:22.060
  • that if you could sit down with
  • 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:25.090
  • evangelical Christians, which
  • 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:26.190
  • basically you're doing in this
  • 00:09:26.190 --> 00:09:28.190
  • interview--what are some common
  • 00:09:28.190 --> 00:09:30.100
  • misconceptions that evangelical
  • 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:32.290
  • Christians have about
  • 00:09:32.290 --> 00:09:34.190
  • the Jewish people?
  • 00:09:34.190 --> 00:09:36.190
  • - Samuel: Conversion.
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  • They always believe that, we
  • 00:09:37.210 --> 00:09:38.170
  • talked about before, that the
  • 00:09:38.170 --> 00:09:39.280
  • Jew needs to become a Christian
  • 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:41.080
  • and that's a huge, huge thing.
  • 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.070
  • And I think that's even--I'll
  • 00:09:43.070 --> 00:09:44.190
  • be even more extreme.
  • 00:09:44.190 --> 00:09:45.150
  • I think it's the beginning
  • 00:09:45.150 --> 00:09:46.120
  • of anti-Semitism because,
  • 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.240
  • you have to understand, if I
  • 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.050
  • need to become a Christian then
  • 00:09:50.050 --> 00:09:51.230
  • I have to leave my own people.
  • 00:09:51.230 --> 00:09:54.180
  • And that was not--
  • 00:09:54.180 --> 00:09:55.200
  • that was not the idea.
  • 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.100
  • So--and they see it as a fear
  • 00:09:57.100 --> 00:09:59.290
  • of if you wanna convert us
  • 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:03.060
  • to Christianity then there is
  • 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:04.250
  • no hope for the real Israel.
  • 00:10:05.060 --> 00:10:08.060
  • The second misconception
  • 00:10:08.060 --> 00:10:09.230
  • is the state of Israel.
  • 00:10:09.230 --> 00:10:11.130
  • Do we really believe that it's a
  • 00:10:11.130 --> 00:10:14.010
  • God thing or do we believe that
  • 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:16.030
  • Israel is a result of Zionistic
  • 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.120
  • idea and a result of
  • 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.060
  • the Holocaust?
  • 00:10:22.060 --> 00:10:23.060
  • little bit?
  • 00:10:25.290 --> 00:10:26.220
  • I think that's a fascinating
  • 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:28.050
  • question.
  • 00:10:28.050 --> 00:10:29.060
  • You know, the Jews--by the way,
  • 00:10:29.060 --> 00:10:31.100
  • if you're just tuning in,
  • 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:33.180
  • we're in Jerusalem.
  • 00:10:33.180 --> 00:10:35.010
  • We're talking with Samuel
  • 00:10:35.010 --> 00:10:36.030
  • Smadja, a great man, a dear
  • 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:38.150
  • the Hebrew culture, the Jewish
  • 00:10:40.220 --> 00:10:42.100
  • culture, the Hebrew religion,
  • 00:10:42.100 --> 00:10:44.000
  • the Hebrew language, but he also
  • 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.030
  • understands people like me and
  • 00:10:46.030 --> 00:10:48.020
  • puts up with people like me.
  • 00:10:48.020 --> 00:10:50.100
  • And he helps us come to a better
  • 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:51.290
  • understanding of what
  • 00:10:51.290 --> 00:10:53.040
  • relationship the Christians and
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:58.030
  • the Jews must have and sometimes
  • 00:10:58.030 --> 00:11:00.090
  • the question surfaces, well, the
  • 00:11:00.140 --> 00:11:03.140
  • Jews are not the only displaced
  • 00:11:03.140 --> 00:11:05.040
  • people in the world.
  • 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:05.290
  • It is a dramatic story,
  • 00:11:05.290 --> 00:11:07.080
  • no doubt.
  • 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.020
  • Two thousand years displaced,
  • 00:11:08.020 --> 00:11:10.010
  • spread all over the world.
  • 00:11:10.010 --> 00:11:11.220
  • And then in 1948 the most
  • 00:11:11.280 --> 00:11:14.280
  • unbelievable miracle, especially
  • 00:11:14.280 --> 00:11:17.140
  • for those of us who study--
  • 00:11:17.140 --> 00:11:18.180
  • - Samuel: You call it miracle.
  • 00:11:18.180 --> 00:11:19.230
  • is it a coincidence?
  • 00:11:21.250 --> 00:11:22.220
  • - Max: Is it a coincidence,
  • 00:11:22.220 --> 00:11:23.170
  • yeah.
  • 00:11:23.170 --> 00:11:24.070
  • - Samuel: Is it a result of
  • 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:25.080
  • world event?
  • 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:26.190
  • But you see--
  • 00:11:26.190 --> 00:11:27.090
  • - Max: Is it God's plan or is
  • 00:11:27.090 --> 00:11:28.090
  • it the plan of the UN?
  • 00:11:28.090 --> 00:11:30.140
  • - Samuel: Or offer modern
  • 00:11:30.140 --> 00:11:32.090
  • Judaism or modern Zionism and
  • 00:11:32.090 --> 00:11:35.070
  • so on, as some people would like
  • 00:11:35.070 --> 00:11:36.190
  • to think.
  • 00:11:36.190 --> 00:11:37.130
  • You see, it can be a result of
  • 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:38.260
  • the return of the Jewish people,
  • 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:43.200
  • is from 105 different nations.
  • 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:46.260
  • It's not just from Europe
  • 00:11:46.260 --> 00:11:48.110
  • after the Holocaust.
  • 00:11:48.110 --> 00:11:49.090
  • It's Jews from Yemen, Jews from
  • 00:11:49.090 --> 00:11:51.150
  • Iran, Jews from America, Jews
  • 00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:53.230
  • from Europe.
  • 00:11:53.230 --> 00:11:54.150
  • You see--
  • 00:11:54.150 --> 00:11:55.050
  • - Max: Jews from China.
  • 00:11:55.050 --> 00:11:55.260
  • - Samuel: Jews from China, Jews
  • 00:11:55.260 --> 00:11:57.060
  • from everywhere, from India,
  • 00:11:57.060 --> 00:11:58.020
  • from everywhere.
  • 00:11:58.020 --> 00:11:58.230
  • So I really believe that in the
  • 00:11:58.230 --> 00:12:00.210
  • last 100 years, God has put a
  • 00:12:00.210 --> 00:12:02.260
  • burning fire in the hearts of
  • 00:12:02.260 --> 00:12:05.060
  • the Jewish people to get up and
  • 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:08.090
  • to start walking towards
  • 00:12:08.090 --> 00:12:09.090
  • Jerusalem.
  • 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:10.190
  • You talk to--
  • 00:12:10.190 --> 00:12:11.090
  • - Max: There is a name
  • 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:11.290
  • for that.
  • 00:12:11.290 --> 00:12:13.100
  • - Samuel: Revival.
  • 00:12:13.100 --> 00:12:14.030
  • - Max: Yeah, but is there not
  • 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:15.130
  • a Hebrew name for coming home?
  • 00:12:15.130 --> 00:12:17.220
  • - Samuel: Aliyah.
  • 00:12:17.220 --> 00:12:18.120
  • - Max: Aliyah.
  • 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.020
  • - Samuel: Aliyah, we call it
  • 00:12:19.020 --> 00:12:19.230
  • Aliyah.
  • 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:20.120
  • And I believe that that's
  • 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:21.040
  • a God thing.
  • 00:12:21.040 --> 00:12:21.240
  • I'll be even more extreme.
  • 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.000
  • I believe that for you as a
  • 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.200
  • Christian, the only physical
  • 00:12:25.220 --> 00:12:28.220
  • proof that this book--sorry,
  • 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.080
  • that this book is real is us.
  • 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:37.200
  • That's the only prophecy in our
  • 00:12:38.130 --> 00:12:41.130
  • generation that has been
  • 00:12:41.130 --> 00:12:42.160
  • fulfilled and was talked about
  • 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.080
  • Ezekiel, Jacob even, you know,
  • 00:12:47.250 --> 00:12:50.250
  • was talk throughout the Bible
  • 00:12:50.250 --> 00:12:52.080
  • about the return.
  • 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.090
  • What's the chances?
  • 00:12:53.090 --> 00:12:54.120
  • Do you see any other nation
  • 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:55.260
  • that, after 2.000 years, was
  • 00:12:55.260 --> 00:12:58.050
  • spread and persecuted?
  • 00:12:58.050 --> 00:12:59.290
  • Not only does it send all over
  • 00:13:00.230 --> 00:13:03.230
  • the world but also persecuted
  • 00:13:03.230 --> 00:13:05.030
  • wherever they were.
  • 00:13:05.030 --> 00:13:06.090
  • The language vanished, the
  • 00:13:06.090 --> 00:13:09.090
  • culture vanished, meaning every
  • 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.120
  • Jewish community kept their own
  • 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.150
  • understanding of culture
  • 00:13:14.150 --> 00:13:15.160
  • wherever they're--but it's not
  • 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:16.230
  • a one culture.
  • 00:13:16.230 --> 00:13:18.010
  • Judaism from Iran, North Africa,
  • 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.200
  • and Europe is not the same, in
  • 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.290
  • culture-wise.
  • 00:13:23.290 --> 00:13:25.130
  • And to see them all coming back
  • 00:13:25.130 --> 00:13:27.080
  • and reviving the Jewish
  • 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:28.230
  • language, that's a total
  • 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:30.240
  • miracle.
  • 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:31.140
  • Show me another language that
  • 00:13:31.140 --> 00:13:32.260
  • was dead for 2.000 years--yes,
  • 00:13:32.260 --> 00:13:34.270
  • people were using the language
  • 00:13:34.270 --> 00:13:36.000
  • in their--when they were reading
  • 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.110
  • in the synagogue but they
  • 00:13:37.110 --> 00:13:38.020
  • didn't--it wasn't a spoken
  • 00:13:38.020 --> 00:13:39.220
  • language.
  • 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:40.230
  • The revival of the Hebrew
  • 00:13:40.230 --> 00:13:42.040
  • language, that's as itself is
  • 00:13:42.040 --> 00:13:44.270
  • a miracle.
  • 00:13:44.270 --> 00:13:46.070
  • - Max: It's stunning.
  • 00:13:46.070 --> 00:13:47.000
  • And that has happened in this
  • 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.070
  • generation, is that correct?
  • 00:13:49.070 --> 00:13:50.090
  • - Samuel: The last 100 years,
  • 00:13:50.090 --> 00:13:52.040
  • yeah.
  • 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:52.240
  • - Max: Yes, the Jews are not
  • 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:53.150
  • the first people to be
  • 00:13:53.150 --> 00:13:54.260
  • dispersed, to be sent out.
  • 00:13:54.260 --> 00:13:56.190
  • But typically, as you--if you
  • 00:13:56.190 --> 00:13:58.110
  • look historically, the people
  • 00:13:58.110 --> 00:14:00.030
  • are absorbed into the culture
  • 00:14:00.030 --> 00:14:02.040
  • or they create a new nation.
  • 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:04.080
  • They claim, they conquer,
  • 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.180
  • and they create a new nation.
  • 00:14:05.180 --> 00:14:07.040
  • But here, the Jews did not
  • 00:14:07.040 --> 00:14:08.250
  • absorb--were not absorbed into
  • 00:14:08.250 --> 00:14:10.200
  • Russia or into China, and now
  • 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.180
  • they're coming back.
  • 00:14:13.180 --> 00:14:14.130
  • - Samuel: And they're coming
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:15.040
  • back to a land that was promised
  • 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:16.140
  • in the Bible.
  • 00:14:16.140 --> 00:14:17.040
  • That's another "coincidence,"
  • 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:18.240
  • if you wanna say.
  • 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.230
  • You know, okay, why not do--if
  • 00:14:19.230 --> 00:14:21.170
  • they were in Europe, they could
  • 00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:22.160
  • have created a colony, you know?
  • 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:24.250
  • But they got up and they came to
  • 00:14:24.250 --> 00:14:27.090
  • a place where the Bible
  • 00:14:27.090 --> 00:14:28.190
  • promised, where God promised to
  • 00:14:28.190 --> 00:14:31.020
  • Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that
  • 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:32.130
  • he'll bring his people back.
  • 00:14:32.130 --> 00:14:33.270
  • If everything that Israel does
  • 00:14:33.270 --> 00:14:35.070
  • is right or wrong, I'm sure
  • 00:14:35.070 --> 00:14:37.000
  • there are things that we're not
  • 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:37.270
  • doing 100%.
  • 00:14:37.270 --> 00:14:38.270
  • We're far from being perfect.
  • 00:14:38.270 --> 00:14:41.020
  • But the return of the Jewish
  • 00:14:41.020 --> 00:14:42.080
  • people is a very powerful thing.
  • 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.220
  • - Max: It's the miracle of
  • 00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:46.140
  • this generation.
  • 00:14:46.140 --> 00:14:47.130
  • It's the fulfilled prophecy.
  • 00:14:47.130 --> 00:14:48.250
  • I've heard it called
  • 00:14:48.250 --> 00:14:49.250
  • the super-prophecy, you know?
  • 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:51.230
  • And I have a good friend whose
  • 00:14:51.230 --> 00:14:53.130
  • father--he can remember hearing
  • 00:14:53.130 --> 00:14:55.170
  • his father who studied prophecy
  • 00:14:55.170 --> 00:14:58.050
  • and preached on prophecy back in
  • 00:14:58.050 --> 00:14:59.250
  • the 1930s and saying to the
  • 00:14:59.250 --> 00:15:02.230
  • church, "Now this is a prophecy
  • 00:15:02.230 --> 00:15:04.180
  • that could never come true,"
  • 00:15:04.180 --> 00:15:06.070
  • envisioning, you know, what--
  • 00:15:06.070 --> 00:15:07.250
  • - Samuel: If we were sitting
  • 00:15:07.250 --> 00:15:08.160
  • here in 1942 and we would read
  • 00:15:08.160 --> 00:15:10.280
  • Ezekiel 36, 37, we would not
  • 00:15:11.020 --> 00:15:14.020
  • believe that the state of Israel
  • 00:15:14.020 --> 00:15:16.160
  • will ever--will be reborn.
  • 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:19.140
  • We would doubt it.
  • 00:15:19.140 --> 00:15:21.110
  • There was no clue, no hint of
  • 00:15:21.110 --> 00:15:24.040
  • the return of the Jewish people.
  • 00:15:24.040 --> 00:15:25.250
  • - Max: What are some of the
  • 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:26.170
  • prophecies that you see being
  • 00:15:26.170 --> 00:15:28.090
  • fulfilled today that should
  • 00:15:28.090 --> 00:15:30.030
  • encourage us as Christians?
  • 00:15:30.030 --> 00:15:32.140
  • - Samuel: The first one is the
  • 00:15:32.140 --> 00:15:34.200
  • return of the Jewish people and
  • 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.250
  • the second one is the remnant
  • 00:15:35.250 --> 00:15:38.110
  • that Paul is talking about the
  • 00:15:38.110 --> 00:15:39.160
  • remnant in the Jewish people,
  • 00:15:39.160 --> 00:15:40.220
  • which is the local body of
  • 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:42.080
  • Messiah.
  • 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:43.050
  • I think that should--that's
  • 00:15:43.050 --> 00:15:44.180
  • a part of the fulfillment
  • 00:15:44.180 --> 00:15:46.040
  • of prophecy.
  • 00:15:46.040 --> 00:15:47.020
  • You see, God didn't bring
  • 00:15:47.020 --> 00:15:48.030
  • the Jewish people just to sit
  • 00:15:48.030 --> 00:15:50.160
  • in Israel.
  • 00:15:50.160 --> 00:15:51.210
  • It's a--God has a road map and
  • 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.000
  • he's bringing the people to
  • 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.040
  • Israel in order to bring them
  • 00:15:56.040 --> 00:15:58.060
  • to himself.
  • 00:15:58.060 --> 00:15:59.120
  • And the return to the land
  • 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.280
  • and the return to God himself
  • 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:02.100
  • through the Messiah, I think
  • 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:04.030
  • that's a fulfillment of
  • 00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:05.000
  • prophecy.
  • 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:05.250
  • - Max: Do you see any major
  • 00:16:05.250 --> 00:16:07.030
  • prophecies that need to be
  • 00:16:07.030 --> 00:16:08.190
  • fulfilled yet?
  • 00:16:08.190 --> 00:16:10.050
  • - Samuel: The temple.
  • 00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:11.280
  • - Max: Tell us about that.
  • 00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:14.130
  • - Samuel: We know that--I mean,
  • 00:16:14.130 --> 00:16:15.280
  • if you talk to any orthodox Jew
  • 00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:18.010
  • and, by the way, there's two
  • 00:16:18.010 --> 00:16:19.140
  • school of thoughts in Judaism.
  • 00:16:19.140 --> 00:16:21.280
  • The temple has to be rebuilt.
  • 00:16:22.030 --> 00:16:25.030
  • Now we know that the temple will
  • 00:16:25.030 --> 00:16:27.140
  • be rebuilt and there'll be an
  • 00:16:27.140 --> 00:16:28.250
  • antichrist in the temple.
  • 00:16:28.250 --> 00:16:31.120
  • There's two mindsets.
  • 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.250
  • One is that when the Messiah
  • 00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:34.110
  • will come he'll bring
  • 00:16:34.110 --> 00:16:35.060
  • the temple with him.
  • 00:16:35.060 --> 00:16:36.290
  • And there is a minority
  • 00:16:36.290 --> 00:16:38.150
  • but a very loud minority in
  • 00:16:38.150 --> 00:16:40.280
  • rabbinical Judaism that say,
  • 00:16:40.280 --> 00:16:42.050
  • "We need to start already
  • 00:16:42.050 --> 00:16:43.170
  • building the temple."
  • 00:16:43.170 --> 00:16:44.250
  • So if you come on
  • 00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:45.150
  • a tour and you go into
  • 00:16:45.150 --> 00:16:46.110
  • the Jewish quarter, you can go
  • 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:47.220
  • into the Temple Institute.
  • 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:49.130
  • It's a small museum that are
  • 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:53.080
  • studying and researching all, or
  • 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.080
  • not all, the articles of the
  • 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.030
  • temple and their dream is really
  • 00:16:57.030 --> 00:16:59.060
  • to put a cornerstone of the
  • 00:16:59.060 --> 00:17:01.050
  • temple and to rebuild the
  • 00:17:01.050 --> 00:17:02.090
  • temple.
  • 00:17:02.090 --> 00:17:02.290
  • But we all know that as long as
  • 00:17:03.230 --> 00:17:06.230
  • the mosque is there, it's
  • 00:17:06.230 --> 00:17:08.070
  • challenging.
  • 00:17:08.070 --> 00:17:09.100
  • - Max: Hah, challenging!
  • 00:17:09.100 --> 00:17:10.010
  • As it was challenging to begin
  • 00:17:10.010 --> 00:17:12.060
  • the state of Israel.
  • 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:14.110
  • - Samuel: I really believe that
  • 00:17:14.110 --> 00:17:15.250
  • the Messiah and that the temple
  • 00:17:15.250 --> 00:17:17.250
  • will be rebuilt.
  • 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:19.080
  • We all know that the Antichrist
  • 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:22.080
  • will be in the temple.
  • 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:24.140
  • I'll be even more extreme and I
  • 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:25.290
  • believe that we'll have a fourth
  • 00:17:25.290 --> 00:17:27.210
  • temple because I don't believe
  • 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:29.000
  • that the Messiah will sit in the
  • 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.130
  • temple of the Antichrist.
  • 00:17:31.130 --> 00:17:33.060
  • So he will probably bring his
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:34.130
  • own temple with him.
  • 00:17:34.130 --> 00:17:36.050
  • So I think it's a combination of
  • 00:17:36.050 --> 00:17:37.150
  • those two groups together but I
  • 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:39.240
  • don't believe that the Messiah
  • 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.210
  • will sit on the seat with
  • 00:17:40.210 --> 00:17:42.060
  • the Antichrist.
  • 00:17:42.060 --> 00:17:44.020
  • He doesn't need his
  • 00:17:44.020 --> 00:17:45.210
  • "building permits."
  • 00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:46.190
  • - Max: Exactly, exactly.
  • 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:48.070
  • So if we begin seeing on the
  • 00:17:48.070 --> 00:17:50.200
  • news and hearing news of the
  • 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.100
  • construction of a new temple, we
  • 00:17:52.100 --> 00:17:53.230
  • need to be alert.
  • 00:17:53.230 --> 00:17:56.010
  • - Samuel: Pray more.
  • 00:17:56.010 --> 00:17:56.210
  • - Max: Pray more.
  • 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:57.110
  • - Samuel: Pray more.
  • 00:17:57.110 --> 00:17:58.030
  • - Max: Pray more.
  • 00:17:58.030 --> 00:17:58.230
  • - Samuel: Yeah, and like the
  • 00:17:58.230 --> 00:17:59.140
  • New Testament tells us, we need
  • 00:17:59.140 --> 00:18:00.080
  • to pray that God will delay
  • 00:18:00.080 --> 00:18:02.060
  • the return.
  • 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:02.260
  • As much as we want the Messiah
  • 00:18:02.260 --> 00:18:03.280
  • to come home, but if we really
  • 00:18:03.280 --> 00:18:06.040
  • love the Jewish people, like
  • 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:08.240
  • we say--you see, the danger,
  • 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.010
  • Max, is that people are looking
  • 00:18:11.010 --> 00:18:12.120
  • at Israel as like a clock
  • 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:13.240
  • on the wall and--
  • 00:18:13.250 --> 00:18:16.250
  • - Max: I've seen it.
  • 00:18:16.250 --> 00:18:17.180
  • - Samuel: You know what
  • 00:18:17.180 --> 00:18:18.080
  • I'm saying?
  • 00:18:18.080 --> 00:18:18.280
  • - Max: Yeah, I've seen--I've
  • 00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:19.190
  • actually seen people use that as
  • 00:18:19.190 --> 00:18:21.040
  • an illustration, "as a clock."
  • 00:18:21.040 --> 00:18:22.130
  • - Samuel: And they look
  • 00:18:22.130 --> 00:18:23.030
  • at Israel and, yeah, we're
  • 00:18:23.030 --> 00:18:24.040
  • very close to the return
  • 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:25.060
  • of the Messiah.
  • 00:18:25.060 --> 00:18:26.150
  • But the return of the Messiah
  • 00:18:26.150 --> 00:18:28.260
  • is coming with some bad news,
  • 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:31.070
  • you know?
  • 00:18:31.070 --> 00:18:31.270
  • There is some bad news before.
  • 00:18:31.270 --> 00:18:33.110
  • So our prayer as local believers
  • 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.160
  • in Israel is, God, delay your
  • 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.070
  • return so more people will enter
  • 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:40.160
  • into the kingdom, to spare them
  • 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.020
  • from the suffering.
  • 00:18:43.020 --> 00:18:45.130
  • - Max: Tell us what it's like
  • 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:46.150
  • to be a Messianic Jew.
  • 00:18:46.270 --> 00:18:49.270
  • - Samuel: I think it's
  • 00:18:49.270 --> 00:18:51.070
  • an encouragement.
  • 00:18:51.070 --> 00:18:53.100
  • If you understand your calling
  • 00:18:53.100 --> 00:18:54.220
  • and if you understand why you're
  • 00:18:54.220 --> 00:18:57.220
  • a Messianic Jew, yes, we--the
  • 00:18:57.220 --> 00:19:00.090
  • hope is to enter into heaven but
  • 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:03.100
  • I think--and if you talk to most
  • 00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:05.220
  • of Messianic Jews, I think 95%,
  • 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:08.140
  • they have a deep understanding
  • 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:09.200
  • of being a light and a witness.
  • 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.140
  • If we--if there is one thing in
  • 00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:13.290
  • common between all the Jewish
  • 00:19:13.290 --> 00:19:15.040
  • believers in Israel, is the
  • 00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:16.220
  • willingness and the--they're
  • 00:19:16.220 --> 00:19:18.170
  • all geared for evangelization.
  • 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:20.280
  • We understand the times,
  • 00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:22.030
  • we understand the seasons.
  • 00:19:22.030 --> 00:19:23.200
  • And we're very active
  • 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:24.270
  • in proclaiming who we
  • 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:26.110
  • are and what we believe.
  • 00:19:26.110 --> 00:19:27.200
  • And I wanna encourage people
  • 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.200
  • around the world who
  • 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.090
  • are watching us to understand
  • 00:19:31.090 --> 00:19:33.100
  • the time is very important
  • 00:19:33.100 --> 00:19:35.000
  • but you have to act.
  • 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.150
  • If you really and we don't--
  • 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:37.260
  • and we believe that we're
  • 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:39.070
  • in the end time, that we should
  • 00:19:39.070 --> 00:19:41.040
  • open and proclaim Messiah
  • 00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:43.040
  • in Jerusalem for us
  • 00:19:43.040 --> 00:19:44.070
  • as Jewish believer but
  • 00:19:44.070 --> 00:19:45.040
  • wherever you are, don't be just
  • 00:19:45.040 --> 00:19:47.020
  • a churchgoing person and think
  • 00:19:47.020 --> 00:19:49.040
  • that Max Lucado does it great
  • 00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:51.120
  • by his book and I don't need
  • 00:19:51.120 --> 00:19:52.180
  • to do anything.
  • 00:19:52.180 --> 00:19:53.080
  • There is a important role and I
  • 00:19:53.080 --> 00:19:55.200
  • see it as a great honor to live
  • 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.110
  • in Jerusalem in these times
  • 00:19:58.110 --> 00:20:01.030
  • and be able to carry the banner
  • 00:20:01.030 --> 00:20:03.100
  • of the Messiah in Jerusalem.
  • 00:20:03.100 --> 00:20:04.210
  • And I'm saying I even wanna say
  • 00:20:04.210 --> 00:20:06.230
  • I'm proud to do it, not because
  • 00:20:06.230 --> 00:20:09.120
  • I'm something special, because
  • 00:20:09.120 --> 00:20:11.140
  • God gave me the opportunity.
  • 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:13.080
  • Let's wake up to the opportunity
  • 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:15.130
  • God gave us.
  • 00:20:15.130 --> 00:20:16.150
  • Let's enter into the role of who
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:19.130
  • God wants us to be and let's
  • 00:20:19.130 --> 00:20:21.070
  • open our mouth.
  • 00:20:21.070 --> 00:20:22.270
  • That's what I feel.
  • 00:20:22.270 --> 00:20:24.290
  • - Max: You know, watching this
  • 00:20:24.290 --> 00:20:25.240
  • broadcast are Christians all
  • 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:28.130
  • over the world, Australia,
  • 00:20:28.130 --> 00:20:30.000
  • China, India, Canada, America.
  • 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:33.140
  • What can we do better to
  • 00:20:35.050 --> 00:20:38.050
  • encourage the Messianic
  • 00:20:38.050 --> 00:20:40.190
  • believers?
  • 00:20:40.190 --> 00:20:42.010
  • In the many trips I've made to
  • 00:20:42.010 --> 00:20:43.110
  • Israel, I've come to think we
  • 00:20:43.110 --> 00:20:45.080
  • sometimes treat Israel a little
  • 00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:46.220
  • bit like in America we treat
  • 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:48.080
  • Disneyworld.
  • 00:20:48.080 --> 00:20:49.090
  • We come in to be entertained
  • 00:20:49.090 --> 00:20:51.050
  • and to see a few things
  • 00:20:51.050 --> 00:20:52.100
  • and try some new foods.
  • 00:20:52.100 --> 00:20:54.250
  • But especially on this trip,
  • 00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:56.020
  • I've thought, "There's--
  • 00:20:56.020 --> 00:20:57.090
  • there should be something more
  • 00:20:57.090 --> 00:20:59.080
  • tangible that we can do."
  • 00:20:59.080 --> 00:21:00.160
  • - Samuel: There are living
  • 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.060
  • stones in Israel.
  • 00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:02.160
  • I believe first of all to pray
  • 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.260
  • for the peace of Jerusalem is
  • 00:21:04.260 --> 00:21:06.140
  • to pray for the peace between
  • 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:07.160
  • the God of Israel and the people
  • 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.120
  • of Israel.
  • 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:10.040
  • I don't believe when David wrote
  • 00:21:10.040 --> 00:21:11.170
  • that Psalm that he was talking
  • 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:13.160
  • about the Palestinian-Israeli
  • 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:16.230
  • conflict.
  • 00:21:16.230 --> 00:21:17.130
  • That wasn't--yes, it is
  • 00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:19.080
  • important to pray for a physical
  • 00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:21.010
  • peace but we need to pray for
  • 00:21:21.010 --> 00:21:22.280
  • the salvation of Israel.
  • 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:24.190
  • And it reminds me of the story,
  • 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:26.100
  • you know, when Moses--they had
  • 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:28.100
  • to fight the Amalekites and he
  • 00:21:28.100 --> 00:21:30.130
  • gathers those three--his small
  • 00:21:30.130 --> 00:21:33.100
  • cabinet and he said, "Joshua,
  • 00:21:33.100 --> 00:21:34.210
  • you and Caleb gather
  • 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:35.150
  • the men and you go."
  • 00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:36.240
  • And he says, "Me, Aaron,
  • 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.260
  • and Hur are gonna go
  • 00:21:37.260 --> 00:21:38.260
  • on the mountain."
  • 00:21:38.260 --> 00:21:39.280
  • And that's the role of the
  • 00:21:39.280 --> 00:21:40.260
  • church, to be on the mountain.
  • 00:21:40.260 --> 00:21:43.030
  • Because if you remember, the
  • 00:21:43.030 --> 00:21:44.070
  • army was an unexperienced army.
  • 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:46.240
  • You remember those--they could
  • 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:49.030
  • do maybe very good bricks but
  • 00:21:49.030 --> 00:21:50.280
  • they had no clue on how to fight
  • 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:53.000
  • the Amalekites and the reports
  • 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:54.190
  • about the Amalekites were true.
  • 00:21:54.190 --> 00:21:56.230
  • But the prayers of those three
  • 00:21:56.230 --> 00:21:58.250
  • people who represent, by
  • 00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:00.040
  • the way, the three crowns of
  • 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:01.080
  • the Messiah--you know,
  • 00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:02.220
  • that the Messiah has to
  • 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.280
  • have three crowns.
  • 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.170
  • If I come and walk the streets
  • 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:07.050
  • of Jerusalem and I say,
  • 00:22:07.050 --> 00:22:08.020
  • "I'm the Messiah," they'll
  • 00:22:08.020 --> 00:22:09.180
  • come to me and they'll say,
  • 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:10.100
  • "Show us the three crowns."
  • 00:22:10.100 --> 00:22:11.100
  • He has to be the high priest,
  • 00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:13.100
  • he has to be the prophet,
  • 00:22:13.100 --> 00:22:14.130
  • and he has to be from
  • 00:22:14.130 --> 00:22:15.190
  • the house of David.
  • 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:17.130
  • And those three men represented
  • 00:22:17.130 --> 00:22:19.090
  • the three crowns of the Messiah
  • 00:22:19.090 --> 00:22:20.180
  • which represents the body
  • 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:22.120
  • of Christ around the world.
  • 00:22:22.120 --> 00:22:24.170
  • Moses was the prophet,
  • 00:22:24.170 --> 00:22:26.140
  • Aaron was the priest, and Hur
  • 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.240
  • was the forefather of David
  • 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.220
  • who represents the kingdom.
  • 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:33.060
  • So when the church is praying
  • 00:22:33.060 --> 00:22:35.010
  • for Israel, when the church
  • 00:22:35.010 --> 00:22:36.020
  • is praying for the salvation
  • 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:37.050
  • of Israel, things will happen.
  • 00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:40.060
  • So pray for us, come visit us.
  • 00:22:40.060 --> 00:22:42.110
  • Try to get in touch with
  • 00:22:42.110 --> 00:22:43.110
  • the local body and visit
  • 00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:45.120
  • the living stone in Israel.
  • 00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:47.120
  • - Max: It must be an amazing
  • 00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:48.290
  • thing to think about God's
  • 00:22:48.290 --> 00:22:50.060
  • promise to Abraham that "I will
  • 00:22:50.060 --> 00:22:52.100
  • make of you a great nation."
  • 00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:54.220
  • And then, as I read the promise,
  • 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:56.150
  • he says, "And I will bless those
  • 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:57.250
  • who bless you, and I will curse
  • 00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:59.090
  • those who curse you."
  • 00:22:59.090 --> 00:23:00.230
  • Do you have any insight into
  • 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:02.060
  • that promise that God said,
  • 00:23:02.060 --> 00:23:04.160
  • "I will make of you
  • 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:05.120
  • a great nation,"
  • 00:23:05.120 --> 00:23:06.040
  • speaking to that one person and
  • 00:23:06.060 --> 00:23:09.060
  • what God has done over these
  • 00:23:09.060 --> 00:23:10.210
  • many thousands of years?
  • 00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:12.000
  • - Samuel: You see, if we
  • 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:12.270
  • look--you know, when you say,
  • 00:23:12.270 --> 00:23:14.000
  • "great," definitely there is a
  • 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.200
  • hint about the Messiah when he
  • 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.190
  • gives--yeah.
  • 00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:19.020
  • But when you look upon--on
  • 00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:20.000
  • Israel and it's not bragging,
  • 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.210
  • God forbid.
  • 00:23:22.210 --> 00:23:23.110
  • I really believe it is the
  • 00:23:23.110 --> 00:23:24.070
  • blessing of God.
  • 00:23:24.070 --> 00:23:26.120
  • When you see around you what
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:27.290
  • Israel has succeeded in 60 years
  • 00:23:27.290 --> 00:23:30.260
  • with, I don't know, 6 or 7 wars
  • 00:23:30.260 --> 00:23:32.160
  • in the middle, the high-tech,
  • 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.100
  • the agriculture, the water, the
  • 00:23:36.050 --> 00:23:39.050
  • accomplishments of Israel, I
  • 00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:41.210
  • believe it's a blessing of God.
  • 00:23:42.090 --> 00:23:45.090
  • I don't--yes, it's the Jewish
  • 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.240
  • mind, whatever you wanna say,
  • 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:49.290
  • but even the Jewish mind is
  • 00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:51.240
  • a blessing of God.
  • 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.010
  • And what you see around you
  • 00:23:53.010 --> 00:23:55.240
  • in 60 years is--
  • 00:23:57.110 --> 00:24:00.130
  • - Max: It's amazing.
  • 00:24:00.130 --> 00:24:01.030
  • - Samuel: It's amazing.
  • 00:24:01.030 --> 00:24:01.240
  • And I think it's a miracle of
  • 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.090
  • God, is a part of the miracle
  • 00:24:04.090 --> 00:24:05.110
  • of God.
  • 00:24:05.110 --> 00:24:06.250
  • - Max: Yes, you know, there are
  • 00:24:06.250 --> 00:24:08.140
  • parts of Israel that I started
  • 00:24:08.140 --> 00:24:11.020
  • visiting here in 1992, '93,
  • 00:24:11.020 --> 00:24:13.140
  • and now I come here in 2017,
  • 00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:16.230
  • there are whole cities where
  • 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:18.070
  • there was nothing.
  • 00:24:18.070 --> 00:24:19.080
  • Apartment complexes
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:20.290
  • and suburbs that had developed
  • 00:24:20.290 --> 00:24:23.250
  • where there was nothing.
  • 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:25.100
  • And I've been told that now the
  • 00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:26.150
  • official state bird of Israel
  • 00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:29.050
  • is the crane.
  • 00:24:29.050 --> 00:24:29.280
  • - Samuel: Is the crane.
  • 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:30.230
  • You see them all over.
  • 00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:32.070
  • And I really believe that that's
  • 00:24:32.070 --> 00:24:34.050
  • a part of God's mercy on Israel,
  • 00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:37.020
  • that's God's grace on Israel,
  • 00:24:37.020 --> 00:24:39.080
  • and this election.
  • 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:40.050
  • Yes, they have to come back,
  • 00:24:40.050 --> 00:24:41.130
  • return to God, but there is also
  • 00:24:41.130 --> 00:24:43.120
  • a physical blessing on the
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.260
  • nation, which God kept them.
  • 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.240
  • His hand was there and, like
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  • you said in the beginning,
  • 00:24:49.220 --> 00:24:51.000
  • the Jewish people come in and
  • 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.020
  • out of history but also there
  • 00:24:53.020 --> 00:24:55.090
  • were periods that God was silent
  • 00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:58.000
  • with the people of Israel.
  • 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.280
  • Or maybe they were
  • 00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:00.240
  • not willing to listen.
  • 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.190
  • Maybe God wasn't silent but they
  • 00:25:01.190 --> 00:25:02.290
  • were not willing to listen.
  • 00:25:02.290 --> 00:25:04.230
  • But we see now, we see
  • 00:25:04.230 --> 00:25:06.190
  • around--whatever I see around
  • 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:08.120
  • me, I'm amazed the evolvement.
  • 00:25:08.120 --> 00:25:10.200
  • See, when you think, Israel is
  • 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.260
  • only 2% of the population by
  • 00:25:13.040 --> 00:25:16.040
  • size of the Arab countries
  • 00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:18.030
  • around them.
  • 00:25:18.030 --> 00:25:19.050
  • The population of Israel is
  • 00:25:19.050 --> 00:25:20.160
  • less than 1% of the population
  • 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.080
  • around us.
  • 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:23.120
  • They all wanna throw us in the
  • 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:24.200
  • sea and we're still here.
  • 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.080
  • It's not the Israeli IDF is such
  • 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:29.030
  • a--it's a good army but it's
  • 00:25:29.030 --> 00:25:31.180
  • the hand of God.
  • 00:25:31.210 --> 00:25:34.210
  • - Max: Well, you've been a
  • 00:25:34.210 --> 00:25:35.110
  • blessing to us today in sharing
  • 00:25:35.110 --> 00:25:37.180
  • the story and you're a blessing
  • 00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:40.120
  • to all of us who know you and
  • 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.000
  • your influence here in Israel is
  • 00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:48.150
  • being felt.
  • 00:25:48.150 --> 00:25:49.230
  • It's being felt.
  • 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:50.180
  • And I can't help but think that
  • 00:25:50.180 --> 00:25:53.060
  • your father would be so very
  • 00:25:53.060 --> 00:25:54.170
  • proud to see the legacy that
  • 00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:56.290
  • he passed on to you and
  • 00:25:56.290 --> 00:25:58.220
  • the way you're carrying it.
  • 00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:00.120
  • We haven't even got to talk
  • 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:02.100
  • about your church, about your
  • 00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:03.280
  • role as a pastor.
  • 00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:05.060
  • We'll have to save that for
  • 00:26:05.060 --> 00:26:07.040
  • another conversation.
  • 00:26:07.040 --> 00:26:08.120
  • - Samuel: You'll have
  • 00:26:08.120 --> 00:26:09.180
  • to come again.
  • 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.190
  • - Max: I hope so.
  • 00:26:10.190 --> 00:26:11.180
  • I hope so.
  • 00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:12.170
  • And could I encourage all of you
  • 00:26:12.170 --> 00:26:14.240
  • to take up this mantle of prayer
  • 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.020
  • for Israel and, if the Lord
  • 00:26:17.020 --> 00:26:18.170
  • provides you an opportunity to
  • 00:26:18.170 --> 00:26:20.160
  • support the ministry of
  • 00:26:21.130 --> 00:26:24.130
  • Christians, Messianic Jews, here
  • 00:26:24.130 --> 00:26:26.290
  • in Israel, pray about it
  • 00:26:26.290 --> 00:26:29.230
  • and engage yourself.
  • 00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:31.010
  • And if you have the opportunity
  • 00:26:31.010 --> 00:26:32.130
  • to visit this wonderful land,
  • 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:34.170
  • you'll leave here a richer
  • 00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:35.180
  • person, with a deeper faith.
  • 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:37.290
  • And let's remember that we have
  • 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.240
  • a rich faith because of the
  • 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.030
  • Jews, because God has made them
  • 00:26:44.090 --> 00:26:47.090
  • special by covenant.
  • 00:26:47.090 --> 00:26:48.120
  • He has made a covenant to them
  • 00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:50.130
  • and that thread, that crimson
  • 00:26:50.130 --> 00:26:51.250
  • thread, that works its way
  • 00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:53.250
  • through the tapestry of
  • 00:26:53.250 --> 00:26:55.150
  • humanity, by his grace in some
  • 00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:57.180
  • way we've been joined in.
  • 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:59.000
  • The apostle Paul said we've been
  • 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.120
  • grafted in.
  • 00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:01.180
  • And so we are beneficiaries of
  • 00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:05.020
  • their faith.
  • 00:27:05.020 --> 00:27:06.060
  • And we're excited to pray
  • 00:27:06.060 --> 00:27:08.160
  • and continue to look forward to
  • 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.070
  • the day that the new Jerusalem
  • 00:27:10.070 --> 00:27:12.230
  • is inaugurated and the Messiah
  • 00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:15.030
  • himself comes and we get
  • 00:27:15.030 --> 00:27:16.280
  • to see him face to face.
  • 00:27:16.280 --> 00:27:18.240
  • But until that day, let's pray
  • 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.050
  • for Israel, let's pray for the
  • 00:27:20.050 --> 00:27:21.120
  • peace of Jerusalem, and let's be
  • 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:23.120
  • grateful for people like Samuel
  • 00:27:23.120 --> 00:27:25.020
  • who serve so well and represent
  • 00:27:25.020 --> 00:27:27.220
  • [m
  • 00:27:30.170 --> 00:27:30.180
  • [mus
  • 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:30.190
  • [music
  • 00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:30.200
  • [music]
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  • - Max: Well, this is a great
  • 00:27:39.100 --> 00:27:42.100
  • honor for me on many accounts.
  • 00:27:42.100 --> 00:27:44.260
  • As you already know,
  • 00:27:44.260 --> 00:27:46.080
  • we're in Jerusalem.
  • 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:47.150
  • Or if you don't know, if you're
  • 00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:48.180
  • just now happening to tune in,
  • 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:50.250
  • beautiful, and significant city
  • 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.160
  • in the history of the world.
  • 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.210
  • We've been in Israel now
  • 00:27:58.210 --> 00:28:00.070
  • for about 10 days and enjoyed
  • 00:28:00.070 --> 00:28:02.170
  • the hospitality and the kindness
  • 00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:05.130
  • and really the blessing
  • 00:28:05.130 --> 00:28:07.040
  • of the Israeli people.
  • 00:28:07.040 --> 00:28:09.180
  • And this afternoon, we're
  • 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.200
  • sitting out on the TBN patio
  • 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.100
  • looking over the beautiful
  • 00:28:11.100 --> 00:28:12.000
  • Old City of Jerusalem,
  • 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:12.200
  • just drinking in this gorgeous
  • 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:13.110
  • afternoon and thinking about the
  • 00:28:13.110 --> 00:28:14.200
  • significance of where we are.
  • 00:28:22.270 --> 00:28:25.270
  • I hope you were able to tune
  • 00:28:25.270 --> 00:28:27.090
  • in earlier and meet the most
  • 00:28:27.090 --> 00:28:29.120
  • interesting man in Israel, my
  • 00:28:29.120 --> 00:28:31.220
  • friend Samuel, as he helped us
  • 00:28:31.220 --> 00:28:33.060
  • understand the significance of
  • 00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:35.100
  • Israel and its relationship to
  • 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:37.280
  • Christians, why we should pray
  • 00:28:37.280 --> 00:28:40.000
  • for Israel, and the important
  • 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.000
  • role that Israel has to play,
  • 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.060
  • not just in understanding our
  • 00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:45.170
  • past, but in preparing
  • 00:28:45.170 --> 00:28:48.050
  • for the future.
  • 00:28:48.050 --> 00:28:49.210
  • Joining me over the last
  • 00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:50.280
  • few days has been one of my
  • 00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:52.160
  • daughters and I'm so excited
  • 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.080
  • to introduce her to you now
  • 00:28:54.080 --> 00:28:56.040
  • and to talk to her about her
  • 00:28:56.040 --> 00:28:58.240
  • new book that is
  • 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.130
  • just come out this week.
  • 00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:02.070
  • It's called "English Lessons"
  • 00:29:02.070 --> 00:29:04.090
  • by Andrea Lucado.
  • 00:29:04.090 --> 00:29:07.000
  • And it's not a surprise
  • 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.210
  • that she wanted to find answers
  • 00:29:08.210 --> 00:29:11.040
  • to the questions about faith
  • 00:29:11.040 --> 00:29:12.220
  • on her own.
  • 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:13.260
  • She didn't just inherit them
  • 00:29:13.260 --> 00:29:15.050
  • from her mother and didn't
  • 00:29:15.050 --> 00:29:16.160
  • inherit them from me,
  • 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.000
  • that she has built her faith
  • 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.240
  • and carved her path on her own.
  • 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.050
  • And for that, we're very,
  • 00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:23.150
  • very grateful.
  • 00:29:23.150 --> 00:29:24.250
  • She describes that journey in
  • 00:29:24.250 --> 00:29:26.240
  • this new book, her first book,
  • 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.220
  • and it's called
  • 00:29:28.220 --> 00:29:29.120
  • "English Lessons."
  • 00:29:29.120 --> 00:29:30.120
  • Now, you won't trust
  • 00:29:30.190 --> 00:29:33.190
  • me when I tell you it's a great
  • 00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:35.110
  • book because I'm her father,
  • 00:29:35.110 --> 00:29:37.160
  • right?
  • 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.060
  • I mean, I am biased and I know
  • 00:29:38.060 --> 00:29:40.110
  • you won't trust me so let me
  • 00:29:40.110 --> 00:29:42.080
  • read you a couple of the
  • 00:29:42.080 --> 00:29:43.240
  • endorsements from people you
  • 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.100
  • do trust.
  • 00:29:46.100 --> 00:29:48.200
  • Lysa Terkeurst read the book and
  • 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.210
  • said, "To have a strong faith we
  • 00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:52.150
  • can stand on, we all need to
  • 00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:54.140
  • wrestle well with hard questions
  • 00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:57.010
  • and come face-to-face with
  • 00:29:57.010 --> 00:29:59.030
  • our gut-honest feelings.
  • 00:29:59.030 --> 00:30:01.040
  • Andrea does this in such
  • 00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:02.220
  • a tenderly beautiful way it
  • 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:05.170
  • will leave the deep parts of
  • 00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:06.250
  • your heart feeling
  • 00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:07.190
  • comforted and understood."
  • 00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:09.130
  • And then Ann Voskamp,
  • 00:30:09.130 --> 00:30:12.050
  • without a doubt, one of
  • 00:30:12.050 --> 00:30:13.040
  • our great writers, says,
  • 00:30:13.040 --> 00:30:14.270
  • "Luminous patience and insights
  • 00:30:14.270 --> 00:30:17.190
  • light these uncommonly
  • 00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:19.140
  • thoughtful pages.
  • 00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:20.270
  • Andrea Lucado is a winsome,
  • 00:30:20.270 --> 00:30:22.180
  • wise, and unwaveringly honest
  • 00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:25.160
  • I wish I could write a book
  • 00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:29.080
  • as well as she writes
  • 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:30.110
  • an endorsement.
  • 00:30:30.110 --> 00:30:32.010
  • So it's a great treat for
  • 00:30:32.010 --> 00:30:33.050
  • me to introduce you to
  • 00:30:33.050 --> 00:30:34.100
  • my daughter Andrea.
  • 00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:35.270
  • Andrea, welcome to Israel.
  • 00:30:36.110 --> 00:30:39.110
  • - Andrea Lucado: Thank you,
  • 00:30:39.110 --> 00:30:40.020
  • thank you.
  • 00:30:40.020 --> 00:30:40.220
  • - Max: What's been your
  • 00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:41.120
  • - Andrea: Oh, it's hard to pick
  • 00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:47.020
  • but I don't think anything has
  • 00:30:47.020 --> 00:30:48.160
  • really compared to being on the
  • 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.280
  • Sea of Galilee where we were
  • 00:30:49.280 --> 00:30:52.010
  • a week ago, about a week ago.
  • 00:30:52.010 --> 00:30:53.220
  • Just being--the passages
  • 00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:55.270
  • in Scripture where Jesus calms
  • 00:30:55.270 --> 00:30:57.230
  • the storm, that has always
  • 00:30:57.290 --> 00:31:01.010
  • been really comforting for
  • 00:31:01.010 --> 00:31:02.020
  • me so being on the sea where
  • 00:31:02.020 --> 00:31:03.140
  • that actually happened
  • 00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:04.180
  • was a very surreal
  • 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:05.270
  • and emotional experience.
  • 00:31:05.270 --> 00:31:08.060
  • - Max: Yeah, we got to have
  • 00:31:08.060 --> 00:31:08.260
  • a worship service out on a boat
  • 00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:11.170
  • on the Sea of Galilee.
  • 00:31:11.170 --> 00:31:13.010
  • Would you recommend a trip to
  • 00:31:13.010 --> 00:31:14.110
  • Israel for somebody?
  • 00:31:14.110 --> 00:31:15.290
  • - Andrea: Oh, yes, for sure.
  • 00:31:15.290 --> 00:31:16.230
  • This is my fourth time here
  • 00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:17.290
  • and I plan on coming back many
  • 00:31:17.290 --> 00:31:19.260
  • more times to come.
  • 00:31:19.260 --> 00:31:20.220
  • - Max: I had this crazy idea,
  • 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:21.260
  • raising my kids, and that
  • 00:31:21.260 --> 00:31:23.140
  • is I'd bring each of 'em to
  • 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:24.200
  • Israel when they turned 12.
  • 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.010
  • Always said I got the idea from
  • 00:31:26.010 --> 00:31:27.150
  • Joseph, the father of Jesus.
  • 00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:29.010
  • And we succeeded with Jenna
  • 00:31:29.010 --> 00:31:30.240
  • and with Andrea.
  • 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.090
  • Sara, some things happened and
  • 00:31:33.090 --> 00:31:34.160
  • we had to delay her arrival but
  • 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.210
  • we did all have some tremendous
  • 00:31:36.210 --> 00:31:38.280
  • father-daughter time.
  • 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:40.000
  • So, dads, think about that
  • 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.010
  • as a great way to enjoy time
  • 00:31:42.010 --> 00:31:44.180
  • in Israel.
  • 00:31:44.180 --> 00:31:45.080
  • - Andrea: Yeah, I've
  • 00:31:45.080 --> 00:31:45.280
  • appreciated it more as I've
  • 00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:46.260
  • gotten older, that's for sure.
  • 00:31:46.260 --> 00:31:48.280
  • - Max: Yeah, well,
  • 00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:49.190
  • so "English Lessons" is out.
  • 00:31:49.190 --> 00:31:51.120
  • Congratulations.
  • 00:31:51.120 --> 00:31:52.100
  • - Andrea: Thank you.
  • 00:31:52.100 --> 00:31:53.000
  • - Max: It's not easy writing
  • 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.100
  • a book--
  • 00:31:54.100 --> 00:31:55.000
  • - Andrea: That's surreal too,
  • 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:55.210
  • that the book is out, yeah.
  • 00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:56.200
  • - Max: Here it is.
  • 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:57.150
  • Here it is.
  • 00:31:57.150 --> 00:31:58.150
  • And I'm so proud of you.
  • 00:31:58.150 --> 00:32:00.220
  • So very proud of you.
  • 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:01.230
  • And it really is a terrific
  • 00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:03.060
  • book.
  • 00:32:03.060 --> 00:32:04.020
  • And I would say that
  • 00:32:04.020 --> 00:32:05.020
  • if I were not your dad.
  • 00:32:05.020 --> 00:32:07.000
  • - Andrea: Thank you.
  • 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:07.230
  • Well, you've read it about as
  • 00:32:07.230 --> 00:32:09.030
  • many times as I have at this
  • 00:32:09.030 --> 00:32:10.200
  • point, so you know it as well
  • 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.170
  • as I do.
  • 00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:13.070
  • - Max: Well, it's not easy to
  • 00:32:13.070 --> 00:32:14.040
  • write and you've done
  • 00:32:14.040 --> 00:32:14.270
  • a tremendous job.
  • 00:32:14.270 --> 00:32:16.020
  • You have.
  • 00:32:16.020 --> 00:32:17.000
  • This book describes a year in
  • 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.240
  • your life in which you were
  • 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.180
  • in England.
  • 00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:22.110
  • So maybe you could just set
  • 00:32:22.110 --> 00:32:23.130
  • the context, give us the context
  • 00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:25.090
  • and the background.
  • 00:32:25.090 --> 00:32:26.250
  • - Andrea: Sure, so I had
  • 00:32:26.250 --> 00:32:28.190
  • studied abroad in undergrad for
  • 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:30.290
  • a semester in Oxford in England
  • 00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:34.020
  • with our--with my school Study
  • 00:32:34.020 --> 00:32:35.290
  • Abroad program, and I fell in
  • 00:32:35.290 --> 00:32:38.030
  • love with the city and I knew I
  • 00:32:38.030 --> 00:32:39.180
  • wanted to go back and I knew I
  • 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:41.230
  • wanted to go to grad school for
  • 00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:43.260
  • English literature so I applied
  • 00:32:43.260 --> 00:32:46.020
  • for a school called Brookes that
  • 00:32:46.020 --> 00:32:48.090
  • is located in the city of Oxford
  • 00:32:48.090 --> 00:32:50.040
  • and arrived in the fall of
  • 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:53.040
  • 2008 right after I graduated.
  • 00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:55.210
  • - Max: How old were you
  • 00:32:55.210 --> 00:32:56.200
  • at that time?
  • 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.110
  • - Andrea: I was 22.
  • 00:32:57.110 --> 00:32:58.010
  • Yes, so I was there and I knew
  • 00:32:58.010 --> 00:32:59.060
  • I would be there for a year
  • 00:32:59.060 --> 00:33:00.280
  • and that was about all I knew.
  • 00:33:00.280 --> 00:33:03.020
  • So I was there for school and
  • 00:33:03.020 --> 00:33:04.060
  • the program only took 1 year
  • 00:33:04.060 --> 00:33:06.100
  • and that's really all it took
  • 00:33:06.100 --> 00:33:08.250
  • to sort of change my life.
  • 00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:10.090
  • - Max: You start off the book
  • 00:33:10.090 --> 00:33:11.180
  • describing some of your early
  • 00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:12.290
  • memories as a preacher's
  • 00:33:12.290 --> 00:33:15.140
  • daughter in church, which
  • 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:17.210
  • I think is hilarious.
  • 00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:19.200
  • Do you recall that early memory
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  • you start with?
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  • - Andrea: I do.
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  • So I talk about--we had these
  • 00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:26.150
  • communion tables set out in the
  • 00:33:26.150 --> 00:33:29.010
  • back of the church, I think, and
  • 00:33:29.010 --> 00:33:30.250
  • they were just tables with these
  • 00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:32.070
  • wooden slats in the front and
  • 00:33:32.070 --> 00:33:33.130
  • I always remember going under
  • 00:33:33.130 --> 00:33:35.010
  • there and hiding and pretending
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  • like we were in jail because it
  • 00:33:36.260 --> 00:33:38.160
  • sort of looked like jail bars.
  • 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.280
  • And so after church was over, we
  • 00:33:39.280 --> 00:33:42.100
  • would sneak back there and climb
  • 00:33:42.100 --> 00:33:43.270
  • under and play and, yeah, we--I
  • 00:33:43.270 --> 00:33:46.140
  • knew all the back hallways and I
  • 00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.110
  • knew where we kept the communion
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  • crackers and the grape juice and
  • 00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:52.250
  • sometimes we would go back there
  • 00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:54.160
  • and have a snack when we
  • 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.080
  • were waiting to go to lunch
  • 00:33:56.080 --> 00:33:57.290
  • after church.
  • 00:33:57.290 --> 00:33:58.190
  • So I have a lot of good memories
  • 00:33:58.190 --> 00:34:00.070
  • of getting lost in
  • 00:34:00.070 --> 00:34:01.190
  • that church building.
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  • - Max: Andrea was born
  • 00:34:02.180 --> 00:34:03.190
  • in Brazil.
  • 00:34:03.190 --> 00:34:04.100
  • That's an interesting tidbit.
  • 00:34:04.100 --> 00:34:06.130
  • We came to the United States
  • 00:34:06.130 --> 00:34:08.030
  • from Brazil in 1988,
  • 00:34:08.030 --> 00:34:09.250
  • and I've served
  • 00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:13.260
  • at that same church ever since.
  • 00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.120
  • And so she basically grew up
  • 00:34:15.120 --> 00:34:17.050
  • in this church in San Antonio
  • 00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:19.070
  • where I'm still serving.
  • 00:34:19.070 --> 00:34:20.070
  • And so when you went to Oxford,
  • 00:34:20.230 --> 00:34:23.230
  • it was quite a contrast, right?
  • 00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:25.230
  • For a girl who had grown up as
  • 00:34:25.230 --> 00:34:27.180
  • a preacher's kid and suddenly
  • 00:34:27.180 --> 00:34:29.190
  • you found yourself in a class
  • 00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:30.290
  • that was just quite a bit
  • 00:34:30.290 --> 00:34:32.240
  • different than church life.
  • 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:35.010
  • - Andrea: Yes, it was--I was
  • 00:34:35.010 --> 00:34:35.290
  • the only Christian in my class,
  • 00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:38.160
  • and Oxford as a city, there are
  • 00:34:38.160 --> 00:34:41.010
  • a lot of churches in Oxford too,
  • 00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:42.130
  • like there are in Texas where
  • 00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:43.180
  • I grew up except the churches
  • 00:34:43.180 --> 00:34:45.000
  • in Oxford are often empty.
  • 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.210
  • And so they're just really old
  • 00:34:46.210 --> 00:34:48.010
  • beautiful churches that people
  • 00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:49.100
  • go to, like a museum but there
  • 00:34:49.100 --> 00:34:51.070
  • weren't--there wasn't a huge
  • 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:52.210
  • Christian community like I was
  • 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.140
  • accustomed to growing up with.
  • 00:34:54.140 --> 00:34:55.230
  • So when I got there and when
  • 00:34:55.230 --> 00:34:57.170
  • I realized that, you know,
  • 00:34:57.170 --> 00:34:59.030
  • I wasn't studying abroad with
  • 00:34:59.030 --> 00:35:00.140
  • my best friends, I was kind of
  • 00:35:00.140 --> 00:35:02.200
  • there by myself, on my own.
  • 00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:04.270
  • My professors were not
  • 00:35:04.270 --> 00:35:05.280
  • Christians.
  • 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.010
  • So, really, it shook me up when
  • 00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:08.260
  • I got there, for sure.
  • 00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:10.000
  • - Max: Can you go into detail?
  • 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.120
  • How did it shake you up?
  • 00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:12.230
  • In what way?
  • 00:35:12.230 --> 00:35:13.190
  • What were some of the surprising
  • 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:15.000
  • struggles that you had during
  • 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.240
  • that year?
  • 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:18.180
  • - Andrea: So I think doubt has
  • 00:35:18.180 --> 00:35:20.180
  • always been a part of my faith
  • 00:35:20.180 --> 00:35:22.220
  • story and I knew
  • 00:35:22.220 --> 00:35:24.030
  • that about myself.
  • 00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:25.020
  • It was something that I thought
  • 00:35:25.020 --> 00:35:26.220
  • had kind of gone away.
  • 00:35:26.220 --> 00:35:28.030
  • I thought, you know, I went
  • 00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:29.230
  • through a season of doubt when I
  • 00:35:29.230 --> 00:35:31.210
  • was in high school and struggled
  • 00:35:31.210 --> 00:35:33.110
  • a little bit with my faith, but
  • 00:35:33.110 --> 00:35:35.120
  • I didn't know how surrounded I
  • 00:35:35.120 --> 00:35:37.070
  • had been by Christians until I
  • 00:35:37.070 --> 00:35:38.190
  • got to Oxford and realized, "Oh,
  • 00:35:38.190 --> 00:35:41.010
  • I'm the only one like me here,"
  • 00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:43.130
  • and that really made me
  • 00:35:43.130 --> 00:35:44.290
  • question, "Well, do I believe
  • 00:35:44.290 --> 00:35:46.170
  • this because I really do?
  • 00:35:46.170 --> 00:35:47.270
  • Do I believe in God and Jesus or
  • 00:35:47.270 --> 00:35:49.150
  • do I believe this because I was
  • 00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:51.020
  • raised to believe in this?
  • 00:35:51.020 --> 00:35:52.240
  • And all of my friends around me
  • 00:35:52.240 --> 00:35:54.150
  • were not raised to believe
  • 00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:55.200
  • this way and they're agnostic or
  • 00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:58.140
  • they're atheist and they have
  • 00:35:58.140 --> 00:35:59.220
  • found their way and I wonder
  • 00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:02.110
  • if I had not been raised
  • 00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:03.190
  • in a Christian home, would
  • 00:36:03.190 --> 00:36:04.150
  • I still be a Christian?"
  • 00:36:04.150 --> 00:36:06.040
  • And so, it took really being
  • 00:36:06.040 --> 00:36:08.010
  • plucked out of my comfortable
  • 00:36:08.010 --> 00:36:09.090
  • environment and plopped into
  • 00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:11.010
  • something really unfamiliar
  • 00:36:11.010 --> 00:36:12.280
  • for me to begin to seriously
  • 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.140
  • question that.
  • 00:36:14.140 --> 00:36:15.190
  • - Max: Did that hit you just
  • 00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:16.200
  • all of a sudden or was it
  • 00:36:16.200 --> 00:36:18.030
  • gradually as you were in Oxford?
  • 00:36:19.100 --> 00:36:22.100
  • - Andrea: It was--it hit me
  • 00:36:22.100 --> 00:36:23.160
  • pretty quickly, I would say,
  • 00:36:23.160 --> 00:36:25.060
  • within the first month or two it
  • 00:36:25.060 --> 00:36:27.040
  • sort of--as I became friends
  • 00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:28.270
  • with the people in my class and
  • 00:36:29.020 --> 00:36:32.020
  • as I started talking about my
  • 00:36:32.020 --> 00:36:33.250
  • faith to people that had never
  • 00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:35.280
  • believed and it's funny, you
  • 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.180
  • realize how strange it sounds to
  • 00:36:37.180 --> 00:36:39.200
  • believe in someone who died and
  • 00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:42.130
  • rose again from the grave,
  • 00:36:42.130 --> 00:36:43.190
  • you know, it just does not
  • 00:36:43.190 --> 00:36:44.190
  • sound normal to everyone else.
  • 00:36:44.190 --> 00:36:47.080
  • And so I started realizing
  • 00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:49.220
  • pretty quickly as I articulated
  • 00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:51.160
  • my faith to people who
  • 00:36:51.160 --> 00:36:52.260
  • didn't believe it,
  • 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:54.090
  • "Oh, this sounds strange.
  • 00:36:54.090 --> 00:36:55.200
  • I need to reevaluate why
  • 00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:57.150
  • I believe in this whole thing,
  • 00:36:57.150 --> 00:36:59.210
  • yeah."
  • 00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:00.130
  • - Max: And you know what?
  • 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:01.120
  • questions, here we are
  • 00:37:03.160 --> 00:37:04.160
  • in Jerusalem.
  • 00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:05.200
  • We've got a real backdrop.
  • 00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:07.120
  • I know it may look--this is so
  • 00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:08.260
  • beautiful you think it's a green
  • 00:37:08.260 --> 00:37:10.080
  • screen.
  • 00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:10.290
  • But that is the Old City of
  • 00:37:10.290 --> 00:37:12.170
  • Jerusalem and those are the
  • 00:37:12.170 --> 00:37:14.040
  • sounds of Jerusalem you hear,
  • 00:37:14.040 --> 00:37:16.210
  • coming in over the wall at the
  • 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.280
  • TBN Studios and the question of
  • 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.290
  • who walked these streets and who
  • 00:37:25.020 --> 00:37:28.020
  • made promises, who performed
  • 00:37:28.020 --> 00:37:30.130
  • miracles, who made statements,
  • 00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:32.190
  • who declared himself to be
  • 00:37:32.190 --> 00:37:34.190
  • the Son of God, who said,
  • 00:37:34.190 --> 00:37:36.090
  • "If you've seen me,
  • 00:37:36.090 --> 00:37:37.000
  • you've seen the Father."
  • 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.110
  • I mean, that all kind
  • 00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:39.180
  • of makes sense if you're sitting
  • 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:40.280
  • in a Sunday School class where
  • 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:41.290
  • everybody else believes it.
  • 00:37:41.290 --> 00:37:43.260
  • But when you're plucked from
  • 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:45.290
  • Texas and transported into
  • 00:37:45.290 --> 00:37:48.110
  • England, and you're sitting in
  • 00:37:48.110 --> 00:37:50.070
  • a class and you're the only
  • 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:51.240
  • Christian out of 22 or 23 other
  • 00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:55.080
  • students, and they've come from
  • 00:37:55.080 --> 00:37:56.130
  • all over the world, all of
  • 00:37:56.130 --> 00:37:58.020
  • a sudden you find yourself
  • 00:37:58.020 --> 00:37:59.080
  • - Andrea: Yes, for sure.
  • 00:38:01.100 --> 00:38:02.020
  • - Max: Do you wanna talk about
  • 00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:03.030
  • that some more?
  • 00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:03.230
  • What were some of the--can you
  • 00:38:03.230 --> 00:38:05.120
  • deeper on the questions you
  • 00:38:05.120 --> 00:38:06.100
  • were wrestling with?
  • 00:38:06.100 --> 00:38:07.120
  • - Andrea: So, I think
  • 00:38:07.120 --> 00:38:08.020
  • the biggest question was would
  • 00:38:08.020 --> 00:38:09.240
  • I still be a Christian
  • 00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:10.230
  • if I had not been raised
  • 00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:12.010
  • in a Christian home.
  • 00:38:12.010 --> 00:38:13.050
  • And I remember having a friend
  • 00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:18.200
  • to go to church every Sunday
  • 00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:22.140
  • and just remind each other
  • 00:38:22.140 --> 00:38:23.260
  • of what you already believe?
  • 00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:25.040
  • You know, if this is really
  • 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:26.040
  • true, if Christianity is real,
  • 00:38:26.040 --> 00:38:28.100
  • you wouldn't need to continue
  • 00:38:28.100 --> 00:38:30.080
  • to affirm each other and that,
  • 00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:31.190
  • continue to remind each other.
  • 00:38:31.190 --> 00:38:33.150
  • You wouldn't need each other
  • 00:38:33.150 --> 00:38:34.180
  • in the way that you do."
  • 00:38:34.180 --> 00:38:35.210
  • And that really rattled
  • 00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:37.050
  • me when he said that
  • 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:38.020
  • because I thought,
  • 00:38:38.020 --> 00:38:38.220
  • "Wow, I've really--I really have
  • 00:38:38.220 --> 00:38:40.020
  • always needed my family and
  • 00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:41.090
  • I've always needed my church."
  • 00:38:41.090 --> 00:38:43.130
  • And that was a question now
  • 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.200
  • that I would say, "Well,
  • 00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:47.100
  • that really makes sense that
  • 00:38:47.100 --> 00:38:48.290
  • that is how Christianity works.
  • 00:38:48.290 --> 00:38:51.020
  • I mean, that's how we pass down
  • 00:38:51.020 --> 00:38:53.190
  • the story of Jesus is through
  • 00:38:53.190 --> 00:38:55.090
  • story and through the retelling
  • 00:38:55.090 --> 00:38:57.040
  • of things and so, of course,
  • 00:38:57.040 --> 00:38:58.160
  • we have to continue
  • 00:38:58.160 --> 00:38:59.270
  • to retell the story
  • 00:38:59.270 --> 00:39:01.040
  • or else we will forget.
  • 00:39:01.040 --> 00:39:02.120
  • We're forgetful creatures.
  • 00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:04.160
  • And especially in a world where
  • 00:39:04.160 --> 00:39:06.080
  • I believe there is sin and where
  • 00:39:06.080 --> 00:39:07.190
  • I believe there are forces
  • 00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:10.010
  • at odds against each other.
  • 00:39:10.010 --> 00:39:11.140
  • Those things are going to want
  • 00:39:11.140 --> 00:39:12.210
  • us to forget so we have to
  • 00:39:12.210 --> 00:39:14.000
  • continue to fight for it,
  • 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.170
  • almost, to fight for
  • 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:16.120
  • the beliefs.
  • 00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:17.020
  • So that was a big question
  • 00:39:17.020 --> 00:39:19.080
  • for me and I even went
  • 00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:20.230
  • to an apologetics class.
  • 00:39:20.230 --> 00:39:23.010
  • I tagged along with a friend
  • 00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:24.120
  • and John Lennox was teaching the
  • 00:39:24.120 --> 00:39:26.290
  • class and he's one of the most
  • 00:39:26.290 --> 00:39:28.070
  • renowned apologists in the world
  • 00:39:28.070 --> 00:39:29.250
  • and he's a math professor at
  • 00:39:29.250 --> 00:39:31.140
  • Oxford and it's funny 'cause
  • 00:39:31.140 --> 00:39:33.150
  • I don't remember anything
  • 00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:34.200
  • from the lecture.
  • 00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:35.140
  • I don't remember anything.
  • 00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:36.160
  • I remember getting a lot of
  • 00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:38.090
  • encouragement from it but,
  • 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.000
  • really, when I looked--when I
  • 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.100
  • look back at my time in Oxford,
  • 00:39:41.100 --> 00:39:42.270
  • it wasn't John Lennox so much
  • 00:39:42.270 --> 00:39:44.090
  • as it was thinking about you
  • 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:46.040
  • and my--and Mom and my church
  • 00:39:46.040 --> 00:39:48.170
  • family that really helped carry
  • 00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:51.120
  • me through that year.
  • 00:39:51.120 --> 00:39:52.230
  • So I started to look at it's
  • 00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:56.190
  • not--it wasn't a bad thing to
  • 00:39:56.190 --> 00:39:58.000
  • be raised in a Christian home.
  • 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.110
  • It was actually a blessing.
  • 00:39:59.110 --> 00:40:00.170
  • It was something that my faith,
  • 00:40:00.170 --> 00:40:01.220
  • in particular, needed.
  • 00:40:01.220 --> 00:40:03.210
  • And it doesn't have to be
  • 00:40:03.210 --> 00:40:04.270
  • something that weakens
  • 00:40:04.270 --> 00:40:06.100
  • the argument for faith.
  • 00:40:06.100 --> 00:40:08.200
  • - Max: Do you meet other men
  • 00:40:09.080 --> 00:40:12.080
  • and women of your age,
  • 00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:13.290
  • your generation, who have gone
  • 00:40:13.290 --> 00:40:15.170
  • through similar faith struggles?
  • 00:40:15.170 --> 00:40:18.080
  • - Andrea: Yes, for sure.
  • 00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:19.110
  • I think that the--
  • 00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:20.190
  • I think I'm a millennial.
  • 00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:21.260
  • I think I'm an older millennial
  • 00:40:21.260 --> 00:40:23.140
  • but I am technically
  • 00:40:23.140 --> 00:40:25.130
  • a millennial.
  • 00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:26.150
  • - Max: I'm a baby-buster.
  • 00:40:26.150 --> 00:40:28.020
  • I busted the baby-boomers.
  • 00:40:29.090 --> 00:40:32.090
  • - Andrea: Yeah, well, the
  • 00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:34.130
  • millennial generation really
  • 00:40:34.130 --> 00:40:36.160
  • loves authenticity and I think
  • 00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:39.030
  • that we really want the church
  • 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:40.250
  • to be genuine, we want
  • 00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:41.270
  • conversations to be genuine and
  • 00:40:41.270 --> 00:40:44.110
  • so I think a lot of people of
  • 00:40:44.110 --> 00:40:46.150
  • my generation maybe grew up in
  • 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:49.190
  • a place where they would see
  • 00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:51.150
  • the pastor preach something one
  • 00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:53.050
  • day and then act a different way
  • 00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:54.160
  • the next day and so there
  • 00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:55.190
  • was a lot of hypocrisy and
  • 00:40:55.190 --> 00:40:57.220
  • things that turned people away.
  • 00:40:57.220 --> 00:40:59.150
  • And so they are looking for
  • 00:41:00.060 --> 00:41:03.060
  • truth and they're looking for
  • 00:41:03.060 --> 00:41:04.080
  • answers and they're not really
  • 00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:05.160
  • seeing it necessarily
  • 00:41:05.160 --> 00:41:06.170
  • in the people that were
  • 00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:07.260
  • their faith leaders.
  • 00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:09.100
  • And so they start
  • 00:41:09.100 --> 00:41:11.040
  • to question that.
  • 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:11.250
  • - Max: The word "cynicism"
  • 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:12.150
  • is used a lot.
  • 00:41:12.150 --> 00:41:13.170
  • - Andrea: Yes.
  • 00:41:13.170 --> 00:41:14.160
  • - Max: Yeah, do you consider
  • 00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:16.030
  • yourself cynical?
  • 00:41:16.030 --> 00:41:16.280
  • - Andrea: I don't think so.
  • 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.190
  • I think I am cynical to certain
  • 00:41:17.190 --> 00:41:19.240
  • things that I was taught.
  • 00:41:19.240 --> 00:41:21.040
  • - Max: Do you think that's a
  • 00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:21.250
  • fair description of millennials?
  • 00:41:22.120 --> 00:41:25.120
  • - Andrea: In faith and in
  • 00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:26.220
  • church stuff, yes, I think so.
  • 00:41:26.220 --> 00:41:28.250
  • I think there's a lot of that,
  • 00:41:28.250 --> 00:41:30.040
  • a lot of sort of pushing
  • 00:41:30.040 --> 00:41:31.120
  • away of what we were taught,
  • 00:41:31.120 --> 00:41:33.240
  • which I think is what happens in
  • 00:41:33.240 --> 00:41:35.190
  • all generations, right?
  • 00:41:35.190 --> 00:41:36.250
  • - Max: It could be,
  • 00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:37.270
  • it could be.
  • 00:41:37.270 --> 00:41:38.170
  • What's the metaphor
  • 00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:39.100
  • you used in here?
  • 00:41:39.100 --> 00:41:40.030
  • It's really a good one.
  • 00:41:40.030 --> 00:41:41.260
  • What bug is that that you
  • 00:41:41.260 --> 00:41:43.040
  • talk about shedding the--
  • 00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:44.160
  • - Andrea: Oh, the crickets?
  • 00:41:44.160 --> 00:41:45.060
  • - Max: The crickets, yeah.
  • 00:41:45.140 --> 00:41:48.140
  • - Andrea: I talk about I went
  • 00:41:48.140 --> 00:41:49.190
  • to undergrad in Abilene, Texas,
  • 00:41:49.190 --> 00:41:51.240
  • and in West Texas and I think
  • 00:41:51.240 --> 00:41:53.030
  • parts of South Texas, they get
  • 00:41:53.030 --> 00:41:55.010
  • these infestations of crickets
  • 00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:56.280
  • every late summer to early
  • 00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.150
  • fall and it's just disgusting.
  • 00:41:59.150 --> 00:42:01.160
  • They're everywhere.
  • 00:42:01.160 --> 00:42:02.100
  • And so I was studying
  • 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:04.010
  • the crickets, and crickets have
  • 00:42:04.010 --> 00:42:05.270
  • a very short lifespan but they,
  • 00:42:06.020 --> 00:42:09.020
  • over the course of the month
  • 00:42:09.020 --> 00:42:11.200
  • or two that they live,
  • 00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:12.190
  • they shed their skin nine times.
  • 00:42:12.190 --> 00:42:14.110
  • So they have--they have to get
  • 00:42:14.110 --> 00:42:16.130
  • rid of layers in order to grow.
  • 00:42:16.130 --> 00:42:18.140
  • And I thought that was a really
  • 00:42:18.140 --> 00:42:20.170
  • beautiful--not beautiful
  • 00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:22.050
  • cricketwise, but perfect
  • 00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:24.020
  • metaphor for how we grow up.
  • 00:42:24.020 --> 00:42:26.120
  • We have to sort of shed things
  • 00:42:26.120 --> 00:42:28.220
  • that either we were taught or
  • 00:42:28.220 --> 00:42:30.110
  • things that we taught ourselves
  • 00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.180
  • that aren't actually true
  • 00:42:31.180 --> 00:42:33.040
  • in order to learn new things.
  • 00:42:33.040 --> 00:42:35.270
  • - Max: And we do, don't we?
  • 00:42:35.270 --> 00:42:36.250
  • We do.
  • 00:42:36.250 --> 00:42:37.200
  • And I would imagine
  • 00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:38.160
  • that each one of you has had
  • 00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:40.180
  • to shed something to make space
  • 00:42:40.220 --> 00:42:43.220
  • If you happen to be just
  • 00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:47.150
  • tuning in, my name's Max Lucado.
  • 00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:50.060
  • This is Andrea Lucado.
  • 00:42:50.060 --> 00:42:51.270
  • Yes, this is my daughter.
  • 00:42:51.270 --> 00:42:53.140
  • And I'm so proud of her because
  • 00:42:53.140 --> 00:42:54.260
  • of this wonderful
  • 00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:55.200
  • book that's just released.
  • 00:42:55.200 --> 00:42:57.120
  • It's called "English Lessons."
  • 00:42:57.120 --> 00:42:59.010
  • It's available now.
  • 00:42:59.010 --> 00:43:00.260
  • She and I are a part of a group
  • 00:43:00.260 --> 00:43:02.190
  • tremendous opportunity to visit
  • 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:07.090
  • the TBN studios and talk about
  • 00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:10.100
  • the significance of Israel,
  • 00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:12.030
  • and then also take advantage of
  • 00:43:12.030 --> 00:43:13.170
  • being here together
  • 00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:14.170
  • and we're very grateful to TBN
  • 00:43:14.170 --> 00:43:16.140
  • for the opportunity to talk
  • 00:43:16.140 --> 00:43:17.230
  • about this book.
  • 00:43:17.230 --> 00:43:18.210
  • And I really hope you'll--
  • 00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:19.250
  • I hope you'll get it.
  • 00:43:19.250 --> 00:43:21.260
  • I am biased, I am,
  • 00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:23.170
  • but I'll tell you one thing.
  • 00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:24.250
  • I would have loved this book
  • 00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:26.000
  • if this were not my daughter.
  • 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.290
  • It's a beautiful book.
  • 00:43:27.290 --> 00:43:29.150
  • And I'm wondering, Andrea,
  • 00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:30.160
  • if this might be a good time.
  • 00:43:31.010 --> 00:43:34.010
  • What would you say to somebody
  • 00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:36.030
  • who--in the book you describe
  • 00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:38.280
  • a season of doubt in which
  • 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.030
  • you doubted your faith.
  • 00:43:41.030 --> 00:43:44.020
  • Is there anything you would say
  • 00:43:44.020 --> 00:43:46.080
  • to somebody who's going through
  • 00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:47.240
  • - Andrea: Yeah, there are two
  • 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:51.140
  • or three things I would
  • 00:43:51.140 --> 00:43:52.070
  • probably say.
  • 00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:53.060
  • One is that you're normal.
  • 00:43:53.130 --> 00:43:56.130
  • I mean, I think doubting is
  • 00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:57.210
  • a part of the Christian faith.
  • 00:43:57.210 --> 00:43:59.110
  • We see doubt throughout
  • 00:43:59.110 --> 00:44:00.250
  • Scripture and we see people
  • 00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:02.150
  • wrestling with God
  • 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:03.160
  • throughout Scripture.
  • 00:44:03.160 --> 00:44:04.140
  • place to be but I would actually
  • 00:44:06.270 --> 00:44:09.220
  • encourage you to stay there.
  • 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.180
  • Don't try to push the
  • 00:44:11.180 --> 00:44:12.220
  • doubt away.
  • 00:44:12.220 --> 00:44:13.130
  • Don't pretend that you're
  • 00:44:13.130 --> 00:44:14.270
  • not doubting.
  • 00:44:14.270 --> 00:44:16.020
  • Don't not ask.
  • 00:44:16.020 --> 00:44:17.100
  • I think I just tried to not
  • 00:44:17.100 --> 00:44:18.250
  • ask questions for a long time
  • 00:44:18.250 --> 00:44:20.130
  • and I finally just had to ask
  • 00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:22.020
  • certain difficult questions.
  • 00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:23.200
  • I would encourage you to ask
  • 00:44:23.240 --> 00:44:26.240
  • those questions.
  • 00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:27.270
  • So stick with it and stick with
  • 00:44:27.270 --> 00:44:29.160
  • the wrestling and I would
  • 00:44:29.160 --> 00:44:30.160
  • also--I talk about talking to
  • 00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:32.280
  • people who talk to God 'cause
  • 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.180
  • I think when you're doubting,
  • 00:44:34.180 --> 00:44:35.180
  • it's very difficult to talk to
  • 00:44:35.180 --> 00:44:36.290
  • someone you're not sure exists.
  • 00:44:36.290 --> 00:44:38.260
  • And so I had a friend in Oxford
  • 00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:41.070
  • who I talked to a lot that year,
  • 00:44:41.070 --> 00:44:44.020
  • and we didn't necessarily even
  • 00:44:44.020 --> 00:44:45.210
  • talk about faith or apologetics
  • 00:44:45.210 --> 00:44:47.140
  • or theology but just talking to
  • 00:44:47.140 --> 00:44:49.180
  • someone who I knew was talking
  • 00:44:49.180 --> 00:44:51.210
  • to God 'cause he had a very
  • 00:44:51.210 --> 00:44:53.110
  • strong faith, he was older than
  • 00:44:53.110 --> 00:44:55.030
  • I was, I think he had sort of
  • 00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:57.000
  • been through it already.
  • 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.110
  • So it was almost, when I look
  • 00:44:58.110 --> 00:44:59.280
  • back, I realized I think I spent
  • 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.090
  • so much time with him because
  • 00:45:02.090 --> 00:45:03.120
  • I knew he was talking
  • 00:45:03.120 --> 00:45:04.220
  • to God even when I could not.
  • 00:45:04.220 --> 00:45:06.230
  • So wrestling and sticking with
  • 00:45:06.230 --> 00:45:09.020
  • it and also finding--talking to
  • 00:45:09.020 --> 00:45:11.090
  • those people who talk to God
  • 00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:13.070
  • are two things that I would
  • 00:45:13.070 --> 00:45:14.290
  • encourage you to do.
  • 00:45:14.290 --> 00:45:16.040
  • And it's a difficult time.
  • 00:45:16.040 --> 00:45:17.090
  • The first half of that year
  • 00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:18.190
  • is cast in a dark light.
  • 00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:20.020
  • I remember that.
  • 00:45:20.020 --> 00:45:20.240
  • There is hope, so you can trust
  • 00:45:22.110 --> 00:45:25.110
  • me as someone who is talking to
  • 00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:26.180
  • God, you can trust me on that,
  • 00:45:26.180 --> 00:45:27.260
  • that there is hope.
  • 00:45:27.260 --> 00:45:29.050
  • And I am actually skeptical of
  • 00:45:29.050 --> 00:45:31.200
  • people who don't doubt because
  • 00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:34.000
  • I just--I think you have to do
  • 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.260
  • that in order to own what it
  • 00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:38.070
  • is you're trying to believe.
  • 00:45:38.070 --> 00:45:39.210
  • I don't think you can get there
  • 00:45:39.210 --> 00:45:41.020
  • without asking questions.
  • 00:45:41.020 --> 00:45:42.120
  • - Max: That's what faith is,
  • 00:45:42.120 --> 00:45:43.200
  • isn't it?
  • 00:45:43.200 --> 00:45:45.030
  • It's trusting in what we haven't
  • 00:45:45.030 --> 00:45:46.130
  • seen and that, by necessity,
  • 00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:48.170
  • means we're gonna have seasons
  • 00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:50.180
  • that we question.
  • 00:45:50.180 --> 00:45:51.280
  • But when you came back, when you
  • 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.270
  • came back, how were you
  • 00:45:53.270 --> 00:45:55.140
  • different than when you left?
  • 00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:57.160
  • - Andrea: I know I talk about
  • 00:45:57.160 --> 00:45:58.240
  • change and how you don't see it
  • 00:45:58.240 --> 00:46:00.120
  • when you're in it.
  • 00:46:00.120 --> 00:46:01.020
  • It's only when you look in the
  • 00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:02.010
  • mirror afterwards that you
  • 00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:04.050
  • notice the difference
  • 00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:05.000
  • in yourself.
  • 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.030
  • I definitely saw the world
  • 00:46:06.030 --> 00:46:07.170
  • in a different way.
  • 00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:08.200
  • I mean, any international
  • 00:46:08.200 --> 00:46:09.230
  • trip is gonna give you a bigger
  • 00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:11.260
  • view of God, so I think the
  • 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:13.290
  • biggest thing is I felt small
  • 00:46:13.290 --> 00:46:16.000
  • and God felt really big.
  • 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.120
  • I sort of saw the world
  • 00:46:17.120 --> 00:46:18.160
  • and I thought, "Wow,
  • 00:46:18.160 --> 00:46:19.150
  • he loves all of these people
  • 00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:21.140
  • and he's not just in America.
  • 00:46:21.140 --> 00:46:23.100
  • He's in England, he's in Israel,
  • 00:46:23.100 --> 00:46:25.180
  • he's sovereign and everywhere.
  • 00:46:25.180 --> 00:46:27.210
  • And so I started to see
  • 00:46:27.210 --> 00:46:28.290
  • how small I was, I think.
  • 00:46:28.290 --> 00:46:31.230
  • I also started to see how easily
  • 00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:35.040
  • I can accept truths that someone
  • 00:46:35.040 --> 00:46:37.280
  • else has told me to accept
  • 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.200
  • and that I need to
  • 00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:41.000
  • question things more.
  • 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.160
  • I started to see the questions
  • 00:46:42.160 --> 00:46:43.210
  • as a good thing at that point
  • 00:46:43.210 --> 00:46:44.270
  • when I was back.
  • 00:46:44.270 --> 00:46:45.200
  • So--but I think the biggest
  • 00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:47.090
  • thing really was seeing how big
  • 00:46:47.090 --> 00:46:49.150
  • God was, and how small
  • 00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:50.280
  • I was at the end of it.
  • 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.140
  • - Max: There's a lot to take
  • 00:46:53.140 --> 00:46:55.000
  • away from a conversation
  • 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.140
  • with someone like Andrea.
  • 00:46:57.140 --> 00:46:58.290
  • I think that odds are that
  • 00:46:59.020 --> 00:47:02.040
  • somebody is listening who can
  • 00:47:02.040 --> 00:47:04.220
  • relate to Andrea and, if so,
  • 00:47:04.220 --> 00:47:06.280
  • that puts you in really good
  • 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.110
  • company because that means
  • 00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:09.170
  • you can relate to one of
  • 00:47:09.170 --> 00:47:10.190
  • the apostles, Thomas, who
  • 00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:12.270
  • is famous for asking questions
  • 00:47:12.270 --> 00:47:15.160
  • in the Upper Room which
  • 00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:16.290
  • is somewhere in the vicinity
  • 00:47:16.290 --> 00:47:19.060
  • of where we sit today.
  • 00:47:19.060 --> 00:47:20.250
  • And he just needed a little more
  • 00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:22.140
  • proof, and he needed to see the
  • 00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:24.230
  • wounds, he needed to touch where
  • 00:47:24.270 --> 00:47:27.270
  • Jesus--where the nails
  • 00:47:27.270 --> 00:47:29.140
  • had pierced and where
  • 00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:31.070
  • the spear had pierced.
  • 00:47:31.070 --> 00:47:32.200
  • He just needed a little
  • 00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:33.200
  • more proof.
  • 00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:34.220
  • And please note that when
  • 00:47:34.220 --> 00:47:36.080
  • he needed a little more,
  • 00:47:36.080 --> 00:47:38.040
  • Jesus gave it.
  • 00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:39.150
  • He didn't turn Thomas away
  • 00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:41.010
  • and say, "Hey, listen.
  • 00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:42.050
  • I've done enough with you.
  • 00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:44.000
  • I'm starting over
  • 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.010
  • with someone else."
  • 00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:46.130
  • No, he was patient.
  • 00:47:46.130 --> 00:47:48.220
  • Our God at the heart of his
  • 00:47:48.220 --> 00:47:51.010
  • character is a patient God.
  • 00:47:51.010 --> 00:47:53.210
  • He's not wanting anybody
  • 00:47:53.210 --> 00:47:54.240
  • to perish.
  • 00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.230
  • He wants everybody
  • 00:47:55.230 --> 00:47:56.200
  • to come to eternal life.
  • 00:47:56.200 --> 00:47:58.130
  • And so if that describes you,
  • 00:47:58.130 --> 00:47:59.220
  • if you can relate to Thomas,
  • 00:47:59.220 --> 00:48:02.160
  • if you're going through a time
  • 00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:03.200
  • of testing and questioning
  • 00:48:03.200 --> 00:48:05.160
  • and doubting,
  • 00:48:05.160 --> 00:48:06.120
  • you just hang in there.
  • 00:48:06.120 --> 00:48:07.230
  • Be kind to yourself, keep
  • 00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:10.040
  • turning to Scripture, turn to
  • 00:48:10.040 --> 00:48:11.230
  • people of faith, and then when
  • 00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:13.200
  • you can't pray, well, maybe pray
  • 00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:15.210
  • anyway but get people who seem
  • 00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:19.110
  • to have a faith to talk to you.
  • 00:48:19.110 --> 00:48:22.060
  • And just be patient, God will
  • 00:48:22.060 --> 00:48:23.290
  • reveal his way and his will just
  • 00:48:23.290 --> 00:48:26.150
  • like he did with all of us
  • 00:48:26.150 --> 00:48:28.170
  • but especially with Andrea.
  • 00:48:28.170 --> 00:48:30.060
  • Andrea, thank you.
  • 00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:31.130
  • Thank you.
  • 00:48:31.130 --> 00:48:32.030
  • The book is called "English
  • 00:48:32.030 --> 00:48:34.030
  • Lessons" and it describes
  • 00:48:34.030 --> 00:48:35.220
  • Andrea's year of coming to
  • 00:48:35.220 --> 00:48:37.230
  • faith, the year she spent in
  • 00:48:37.230 --> 00:48:39.110
  • Oxford, England,
  • 00:48:39.110 --> 00:48:40.170
  • and I'll say it again.
  • 00:48:40.170 --> 00:48:41.270
  • It's a great book and I would
  • 00:48:41.270 --> 00:48:43.140
  • [m
  • 00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:47.190
  • [mus
  • 00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:47.200
  • [music
  • 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:47.210
  • - Max: Hi, everybody.
  • 00:48:49.130 --> 00:48:52.130
  • Max Lucado here.
  • 00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:54.060
  • I'm in Jerusalem, the beautiful
  • 00:48:54.060 --> 00:48:56.150
  • what God has done and also what
  • 00:48:59.250 --> 00:49:02.150
  • God is doing in this historic
  • 00:49:02.150 --> 00:49:05.100
  • and significant city.
  • 00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:07.060
  • What a beautiful sight you see
  • 00:49:07.060 --> 00:49:09.040
  • as you look over my shoulder.
  • 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:10.260
  • It looks so perfect that you'd
  • 00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:13.020
  • think it was a green screen
  • 00:49:13.020 --> 00:49:14.190
  • or a drawing.
  • 00:49:14.190 --> 00:49:16.040
  • But it's not.
  • 00:49:16.040 --> 00:49:16.250
  • We're looking over the Holy Land
  • 00:49:17.110 --> 00:49:20.110
  • in the city of Jerusalem in the
  • 00:49:20.110 --> 00:49:22.180
  • nation of Israel.
  • 00:49:22.180 --> 00:49:24.000
  • And we're thinking about the
  • 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.110
  • words of Christ, the description
  • 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:29.280
  • that Christ was given by his
  • 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.050
  • follower, John.
  • 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:33.140
  • I bet if I start this verse,
  • 00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:35.220
  • you can finish it.
  • 00:49:35.220 --> 00:49:37.110
  • "For God so loved the world,
  • 00:49:37.140 --> 00:49:40.140
  • that he gave his one and only
  • 00:49:40.140 --> 00:49:42.000
  • Son, so that whoever believes
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.200
  • in him will not perish
  • 00:49:44.200 --> 00:49:47.070
  • but have everlasting life."
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  • Probably the most familiar
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  • words and yet,
  • 00:49:51.050 --> 00:49:52.080
  • when you stop and think about
  • 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:53.250
  • those words, they're some of the
  • 00:49:53.250 --> 00:49:55.160
  • most controversial words that
  • 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:58.030
  • could ever be said about anyone.
  • 00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:00.250
  • Well, some of the words don't
  • 00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:01.290
  • feel controversial.
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  • "For God so loved the world."
  • 00:50:03.060 --> 00:50:05.210
  • That's a wonderfully
  • 00:50:05.210 --> 00:50:06.290
  • comforting thought.
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  • "That he gave,"
  • 00:50:07.240 --> 00:50:09.030
  • that God would be a giver.
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  • That's a comforting and
  • 00:50:11.130 --> 00:50:12.220
  • an encouraging discovery.
  • 00:50:12.220 --> 00:50:15.130
  • But when we stop and think about
  • 00:50:15.130 --> 00:50:17.000
  • what the Scripture says, we
  • 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.180
  • realize there's a statement in
  • 00:50:18.180 --> 00:50:21.050
  • John 3:16 that will either cause
  • 00:50:21.110 --> 00:50:24.110
  • you to turn away from the faith
  • 00:50:24.110 --> 00:50:26.220
  • or step toward it
  • 00:50:26.220 --> 00:50:27.190
  • with great hope.
  • 00:50:27.190 --> 00:50:29.030
  • And that is the phrase:
  • 00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:30.070
  • "One and only."
  • 00:50:30.070 --> 00:50:32.190
  • "For God so loved the world,
  • 00:50:32.190 --> 00:50:35.040
  • that he gave his one
  • 00:50:35.040 --> 00:50:37.020
  • and only Son."
  • 00:50:37.020 --> 00:50:39.170
  • The claim of
  • 00:50:39.170 --> 00:50:40.110
  • Christianity is built upon
  • 00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:43.010
  • the person of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:50:43.180 --> 00:50:46.180
  • And the person of Jesus Christ
  • 00:50:46.180 --> 00:50:48.130
  • is revealed in Scripture not
  • 00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:50.120
  • just as a great teacher, not
  • 00:50:50.120 --> 00:50:52.180
  • just as a great philosopher.
  • 00:50:52.180 --> 00:50:54.210
  • But he is presented as
  • 00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:56.150
  • the one and only Son of God.
  • 00:50:57.060 --> 00:51:00.080
  • This Greek phrase,
  • 00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:01.120
  • "one and only," monogenés,
  • 00:51:01.120 --> 00:51:03.090
  • carries with it the idea
  • 00:51:03.180 --> 00:51:06.180
  • of absolute uniqueness.
  • 00:51:06.180 --> 00:51:08.260
  • You might say he's the one
  • 00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:10.170
  • genetic offspring of God.
  • 00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:13.080
  • Monogenés highlights
  • 00:51:13.080 --> 00:51:14.210
  • the singular relationship
  • 00:51:14.210 --> 00:51:16.250
  • between Jesus and God.
  • 00:51:16.250 --> 00:51:19.240
  • He is a Son of God in a sense in
  • 00:51:19.240 --> 00:51:22.180
  • which no one else is, all who
  • 00:51:22.180 --> 00:51:24.270
  • call on God are children of God
  • 00:51:24.270 --> 00:51:27.230
  • but only Jesus is the monogenés,
  • 00:51:28.100 --> 00:51:31.100
  • "the one and only Son of God."
  • 00:51:31.250 --> 00:51:34.250
  • To say that Jesus is the one and
  • 00:51:34.250 --> 00:51:37.080
  • only Son of God is to say that
  • 00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:39.020
  • he carries in him everything
  • 00:51:39.020 --> 00:51:41.120
  • that God carries, every
  • 00:51:41.120 --> 00:51:43.060
  • characteristic, every attribute,
  • 00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:45.290
  • every feeling, every sense of
  • 00:51:45.290 --> 00:51:48.140
  • wisdom, tireless energy.
  • 00:51:48.140 --> 00:51:51.000
  • Every quality that you give God
  • 00:51:51.050 --> 00:51:54.050
  • according to Scripture you can
  • 00:51:54.050 --> 00:51:56.040
  • give to Jesus Christ.
  • 00:51:56.040 --> 00:51:58.010
  • See why this could be
  • 00:51:58.010 --> 00:51:59.050
  • a controversial statement?
  • 00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:01.120
  • Jesus himself said,
  • 00:52:01.120 --> 00:52:03.000
  • "Anyone who has seen me
  • 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.000
  • has seen the Father."
  • 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.070
  • Now what does it mean
  • 00:52:07.070 --> 00:52:08.020
  • to be the one
  • 00:52:08.020 --> 00:52:08.290
  • and only Son of God?
  • 00:52:08.290 --> 00:52:11.100
  • Well, Jesus gives us the
  • 00:52:11.100 --> 00:52:12.180
  • answer in Matthew chapter 11
  • 00:52:12.180 --> 00:52:14.240
  • and verse 27.
  • 00:52:14.240 --> 00:52:16.110
  • He says, "My father has given
  • 00:52:16.110 --> 00:52:17.280
  • me authority over everything.
  • 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:20.050
  • No one really knows the Son
  • 00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:22.010
  • except the Father and no one
  • 00:52:22.010 --> 00:52:23.240
  • really knows the Father except
  • 00:52:23.240 --> 00:52:25.140
  • the Son and those to whom the
  • 00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:27.230
  • Son chooses to reveal him."
  • 00:52:28.160 --> 00:52:31.160
  • So through these words,
  • 00:52:31.160 --> 00:52:33.000
  • Jesus presents himself
  • 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.190
  • as the one and only ruler.
  • 00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:37.210
  • He says, "My Father has given
  • 00:52:37.210 --> 00:52:39.040
  • me authority over everything."
  • 00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:41.170
  • He has authority
  • 00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:42.120
  • over the clouds,
  • 00:52:42.120 --> 00:52:43.110
  • authority over the trees,
  • 00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:44.230
  • authority over the seasons.
  • 00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:46.160
  • There is not a single
  • 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.080
  • molecule on this planet
  • 00:52:48.080 --> 00:52:50.160
  • that does not sit beneath
  • 00:52:50.160 --> 00:52:52.060
  • the authority of Jesus Christ.
  • 00:52:52.060 --> 00:52:55.000
  • And there was an occasion
  • 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.120
  • in which a Roman ruler
  • 00:52:56.120 --> 00:52:57.180
  • came to Jesus and said,
  • 00:52:57.180 --> 00:52:59.210
  • "Could you heal my servant?"
  • 00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:01.030
  • And Jesus said he could and
  • 00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:02.160
  • offered to go with the Roman
  • 00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:03.290
  • ruler back to the ruler's home.
  • 00:53:03.290 --> 00:53:06.190
  • The ruler objected.
  • 00:53:06.190 --> 00:53:07.210
  • He said, "Oh, you don't
  • 00:53:07.210 --> 00:53:08.150
  • need to do that."
  • 00:53:08.150 --> 00:53:10.110
  • He says, "I myself am a ruler.
  • 00:53:10.110 --> 00:53:13.060
  • And when I speak, soldiers
  • 00:53:13.060 --> 00:53:15.170
  • respond and I have people
  • 00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:16.280
  • over me and when they speak,
  • 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.040
  • I respond."
  • 00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:20.060
  • And Jesus said,
  • 00:53:20.060 --> 00:53:21.260
  • "I have not seen faith like
  • 00:53:21.260 --> 00:53:23.170
  • that in all of Israel."
  • 00:53:23.170 --> 00:53:26.020
  • He didn't say,
  • 00:53:26.020 --> 00:53:26.220
  • "Oh, you're overstating
  • 00:53:26.220 --> 00:53:27.240
  • the case."
  • 00:53:27.240 --> 00:53:28.210
  • He didn't say, "Oh, you
  • 00:53:28.210 --> 00:53:29.130
  • shouldn't attribute to me
  • 00:53:29.130 --> 00:53:30.170
  • such amazing authority."
  • 00:53:30.170 --> 00:53:32.200
  • He said,
  • 00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:34.120
  • "That is the picture of faith."
  • 00:53:34.230 --> 00:53:37.230
  • And so Jesus Christ claims to
  • 00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:39.240
  • have authority over everything.
  • 00:53:39.240 --> 00:53:42.110
  • He is the one and only ruler.
  • 00:53:42.110 --> 00:53:44.100
  • Now you need to know that.
  • 00:53:44.100 --> 00:53:45.000
  • You need to know that because
  • 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.270
  • this world can feel so random,
  • 00:53:45.270 --> 00:53:46.180
  • so difficult, so out of control.
  • 00:53:46.180 --> 00:53:47.270
  • You need to know that there
  • 00:53:47.270 --> 00:53:48.180
  • is a ruler and this ruler
  • 00:53:48.180 --> 00:53:49.080
  • is calling the shots.
  • 00:53:49.140 --> 00:53:52.140
  • He's directing history and
  • 00:53:55.110 --> 00:53:58.110
  • everything is unfolding exactly
  • 00:54:00.290 --> 00:54:03.290
  • in the way that it is supposed
  • 00:54:03.290 --> 00:54:05.270
  • to until the end of time.
  • 00:54:05.270 --> 00:54:08.190
  • Jesus, the one and only Son of
  • 00:54:08.190 --> 00:54:10.250
  • God, is the one and only ruler.
  • 00:54:10.250 --> 00:54:13.230
  • All authority
  • 00:54:13.230 --> 00:54:14.260
  • has been given to him.
  • 00:54:14.260 --> 00:54:16.110
  • By the way, that means that
  • 00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.040
  • authority has not been given
  • 00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:19.120
  • to you and it's not
  • 00:54:19.120 --> 00:54:20.140
  • been given to me.
  • 00:54:20.140 --> 00:54:22.000
  • You're not in charge of
  • 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:22.270
  • the world and I'm not
  • 00:54:22.270 --> 00:54:23.240
  • in charge of the world.
  • 00:54:23.240 --> 00:54:24.230
  • You don't have to fix the world
  • 00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:26.030
  • and I cannot fix the world,
  • 00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:27.230
  • and what a relief that is.
  • 00:54:27.230 --> 00:54:29.240
  • Why don't you resign
  • 00:54:29.240 --> 00:54:31.010
  • as ruler of the universe?
  • 00:54:31.010 --> 00:54:32.270
  • That's not your job
  • 00:54:32.270 --> 00:54:33.280
  • and that's not my job.
  • 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.100
  • That's the job of Jesus Christ,
  • 00:54:35.100 --> 00:54:37.130
  • the one and only ruler.
  • 00:54:37.190 --> 00:54:40.190
  • But he's also the one
  • 00:54:40.190 --> 00:54:42.120
  • and only revealer.
  • 00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:44.070
  • And Jesus says, "No one really
  • 00:54:44.120 --> 00:54:47.120
  • knows the Son except the Father
  • 00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:50.040
  • and no one really knows
  • 00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:51.070
  • the Father except the Son."
  • 00:54:51.070 --> 00:54:54.030
  • He depicts an intimacy here
  • 00:54:54.030 --> 00:54:56.080
  • between him and the Father
  • 00:54:56.080 --> 00:54:58.040
  • that no one else has.
  • 00:54:58.040 --> 00:54:59.070
  • No one really knows him.
  • 00:54:59.070 --> 00:55:01.000
  • That's not surprising.
  • 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.040
  • The two have lived together
  • 00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:03.270
  • for eternity.
  • 00:55:03.270 --> 00:55:05.110
  • You know, my wife knows things
  • 00:55:05.110 --> 00:55:06.200
  • about me that no one else knows.
  • 00:55:06.200 --> 00:55:08.260
  • And when she speaks about me,
  • 00:55:08.260 --> 00:55:10.260
  • she can speak with authority
  • 00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:12.290
  • and so how much more Jesus, when
  • 00:55:12.290 --> 00:55:15.040
  • he tells us the heart of the
  • 00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:16.230
  • Father can speak with authority.
  • 00:55:17.020 --> 00:55:20.020
  • When he tells us how
  • 00:55:20.020 --> 00:55:21.030
  • the Father loves the prodigal,
  • 00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.010
  • he speaks with authority.
  • 00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:25.000
  • When he speaks about the Father
  • 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:27.160
  • not turning away when people
  • 00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:30.010
  • turn to him,
  • 00:55:30.010 --> 00:55:31.210
  • he speaks with authority.
  • 00:55:31.210 --> 00:55:33.120
  • Jesus, the one and only ruler,
  • 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.000
  • is also the one
  • 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:39.080
  • and only revealer.
  • 00:55:39.080 --> 00:55:41.250
  • He says, "No one knows
  • 00:55:41.250 --> 00:55:42.290
  • the Father except the Son."
  • 00:55:42.290 --> 00:55:44.160
  • He doesn't say,
  • 00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:45.210
  • "No one knows the Father
  • 00:55:45.210 --> 00:55:47.070
  • like the Son or no one knows
  • 00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:49.070
  • the Father to the degree
  • 00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:50.200
  • of the Son."
  • 00:55:50.200 --> 00:55:51.100
  • He says, "Really,
  • 00:55:51.100 --> 00:55:52.000
  • no one knows the Father
  • 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:52.240
  • except the Son."
  • 00:55:52.240 --> 00:55:54.020
  • So if you wanna know
  • 00:55:54.020 --> 00:55:55.020
  • the Father, you have to turn
  • 00:55:55.020 --> 00:55:57.050
  • to Jesus because Jesus is
  • 00:55:57.050 --> 00:56:00.060
  • the one who can reveal to
  • 00:56:00.060 --> 00:56:01.220
  • you the heart of the Father.
  • 00:56:01.220 --> 00:56:04.130
  • And that's what Jesus promises
  • 00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:06.020
  • to do.
  • 00:56:06.020 --> 00:56:07.040
  • He promises to be the revealer
  • 00:56:07.040 --> 00:56:09.130
  • of the Father to you and can
  • 00:56:09.130 --> 00:56:11.260
  • I tell you something?
  • 00:56:11.260 --> 00:56:13.040
  • You really need to know the
  • 00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:14.130
  • heart of your heavenly Father.
  • 00:56:14.150 --> 00:56:17.150
  • And maybe you've assumed that
  • 00:56:17.150 --> 00:56:18.250
  • God is angry at you or that God
  • 00:56:18.250 --> 00:56:21.020
  • has turned away from you.
  • 00:56:21.020 --> 00:56:22.200
  • Maybe somebody told you that God
  • 00:56:22.200 --> 00:56:24.100
  • has given up on you, or maybe
  • 00:56:24.100 --> 00:56:26.120
  • you've always believed in God
  • 00:56:26.120 --> 00:56:28.060
  • but you've never thought that
  • 00:56:28.060 --> 00:56:29.060
  • God could believe in you.
  • 00:56:29.060 --> 00:56:30.290
  • There are a lot of lies that are
  • 00:56:30.290 --> 00:56:32.130
  • circulated in this world about
  • 00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:34.050
  • the Father but only Jesus can
  • 00:56:34.050 --> 00:56:36.170
  • speak with authority.
  • 00:56:36.170 --> 00:56:38.070
  • And here's what Jesus says
  • 00:56:38.070 --> 00:56:39.190
  • to you.
  • 00:56:39.190 --> 00:56:40.120
  • He says, "Come to me all of you
  • 00:56:40.120 --> 00:56:41.270
  • who are weary and carry
  • 00:56:41.270 --> 00:56:43.190
  • heavy burdens and
  • 00:56:43.190 --> 00:56:45.200
  • I will give you rest.
  • 00:56:45.200 --> 00:56:47.010
  • Take my yoke upon you and then
  • 00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:49.120
  • let me teach you," let me teach
  • 00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:52.210
  • you, "because I am humble
  • 00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:54.290
  • and gentle and you will find
  • 00:56:54.290 --> 00:56:56.260
  • rest for your souls."
  • 00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:59.000
  • Why don't you underline
  • 00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.250
  • that word in Matthew chapter 11
  • 00:56:59.250 --> 00:57:02.110
  • and verse 28 and 29?
  • 00:57:02.110 --> 00:57:04.170
  • "Let me teach you."
  • 00:57:04.170 --> 00:57:06.160
  • Jesus, the one and only ruler,
  • 00:57:06.160 --> 00:57:08.180
  • the one and only revealer,
  • 00:57:08.180 --> 00:57:10.050
  • offers to be your teacher to
  • 00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:12.030
  • reveal to you the nature of God.
  • 00:57:12.200 --> 00:57:15.200
  • It's been a beautiful
  • 00:57:15.200 --> 00:57:17.170
  • opportunity for us to be
  • 00:57:17.170 --> 00:57:18.280
  • in the city of Jerusalem and
  • 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.070
  • to think about Jesus Christ
  • 00:57:21.070 --> 00:57:23.210
  • and what he did here.
  • 00:57:23.210 --> 00:57:25.090
  • But it's even more wonderful to
  • 00:57:25.090 --> 00:57:26.200
  • think about what Jesus Christ is
  • 00:57:26.200 --> 00:57:28.210
  • going to do here.
  • 00:57:28.210 --> 00:57:30.110
  • We're looking to the day that he
  • 00:57:30.110 --> 00:57:31.240
  • returns and the new Jerusalem is
  • 00:57:31.240 --> 00:57:34.180
  • established, and that people
  • 00:57:34.180 --> 00:57:36.240
  • from every tribe, tongue, and
  • 00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.220
  • language who have called upon
  • 00:57:38.220 --> 00:57:40.110
  • Christ as Lord celebrate
  • 00:57:40.110 --> 00:57:42.250
  • his arrival.
  • 00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:44.010
  • Will you join with me in praying
  • 00:57:44.010 --> 00:57:45.210
  • for the wonderful people
  • 00:57:45.210 --> 00:57:46.260
  • of Israel?
  • 00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:47.160
  • Pray for the peace of Israel.
  • 00:57:47.160 --> 00:57:49.230
  • Pray that there can be a return
  • 00:57:49.230 --> 00:57:51.160
  • of the people of Israel to
  • 00:57:51.160 --> 00:57:53.110
  • the heart of the Father
  • 00:57:53.110 --> 00:57:55.030
  • and that they can come to see
  • 00:57:55.030 --> 00:57:56.110
  • Jesus as the Messiah.
  • 00:57:56.110 --> 00:57:58.240
  • We are deeply indebted to them
  • 00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:00.270
  • for their faith and for what
  • 00:58:00.270 --> 00:58:02.080
  • they have taught us.
  • 00:58:02.080 --> 00:58:03.210
  • And may the Lord Jesus, the one
  • 00:58:03.210 --> 00:58:05.050
  • and only Son of God, the one
  • 00:58:05.050 --> 00:58:07.130
  • and only ruler and revealer,
  • 00:58:07.130 --> 00:58:09.210
  • continue to rule and continue
  • 00:58:09.210 --> 00:58:11.180
  • continue to rule and continue
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  • [m
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  • [mus
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  • [music
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  • [music]
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