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Praise | Mike Rowe | October 8, 2020

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Narrator] Tonight onPraise from Colorado.
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  • He's back withbrand new episodes
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  • of "Somebody's Gotta Do It"right here on TBN, Mike Rowe.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • And now Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • - Welcome to WesternColorado, Mike Rowe.
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  • All one hour we'regonna be talking
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  • about all sorts of stuff,
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  • but the word COVID-19was not a word
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  • when we were last together.
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  • The last time Isaw you the world
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  • was actually still operating
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  • similarly to the way ithad since we were young.
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  • It is no longeroperating that way.
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  • Help us understandthe season we're in.
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  • Mike Rowe I wanna hear from you.
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  • - Well, let'sstart with my hair.
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  • How does it look?
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  • - [Matt] Yeah.
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  • - The last time I got a haircutwas early in April, I guess.
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  • And so I'm sitting out hereon your wind swept plains,
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  • and you wanna talkabout the world,
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  • but let's talk about this.
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  • This is the first time.
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  • Well, now, not the first time,
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  • but one of the fewtimes since March
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  • where I've had a chanceto personally look around
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  • and just remind myselfthat the great outdoors
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  • was right where I left it andthat God's still in His heaven
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  • and the mountainsare on their hill.
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  • And the elk and the deer,where the antelope play
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  • are still down theredoing what they do.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And so look I don't wannaget too far out of my lane,
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  • but I think that when you'rein the middle of a storm,
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  • it's easy to lose allkinds of perspective
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  • and years from nowwe'll look back on this
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  • and we'll remember it as atruly transformational time
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  • in our life, butwe'll look back on it.
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  • And right now wecan't look back on it.
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  • All we can do is look around
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  • and make our own littlepiece of the world
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  • as sane as we can and helpthe people that matter to us,
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  • stay close maybe not physically,
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  • but all the more important
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  • to be close to thepeople we care about.
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  • And whether it's a Zoomcall or a phone call
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  • or some smoke signals up, right?
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  • Whatever it takes.
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  • The importance ofconnecting on a daily basis
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  • with the people we careabout is mission critical.
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  • And I don't think it matterswhat line of work you're in.
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  • Essential work, non-essentialwork, whatever that means.
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  • If there is such a thingeven, TV broadcast,
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  • but it doesn't matter.
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  • We're living in a time right now
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  • where connections havebeen redefined, right?
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  • Where all of a suddenthat internet hookup
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  • that we always were gratefulfor it's now the thing
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  • that allows us to dowhat we do by and large,
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  • where the Amazondelivery guy before,
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  • all that was kind of convenient.
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  • Now it's a lifeline.
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  • So I'd like totalk to you about,
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  • since I'm just riffing,
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  • essential work andnon-essential work
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  • because dirty jobswas the granddaddy
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  • of essential working shows
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  • and everybody asked me today,
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  • how does it feel to have hada front row seat to the...
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  • Really? We can getthis casual here?
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  • - Yeah, absolutely.
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  • - We're at the fire pit.
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  • - [Laurie] Casual as we can be.
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  • - You guys you get anymore casual I'm gonna try
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  • and wake you up.
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  • No, you know what?
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  • Here's my theory, since youasked me a broad-based question
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  • we had 40 million peopleare out of work right now.
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  • And we're focused onthe essential workers
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  • as well as we should be,
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  • but those 40 million peoplehave just been essentially told
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  • that they're not essential
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  • because they don'tneed to go to work.
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  • And when you tell40 million people
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  • that they're not essential,
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  • all sorts of interestingthing happens
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  • to the economy,bad things, right?
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  • And I think that's how Isee the world right now.
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  • I'm thinking differentlyabout work that's essential.
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  • I'm thinking differentlyabout my own little slice
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  • of the planet thatI have access to,
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  • and I'm counting blessings.
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  • - The world that existedthe last time I flew
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  • to San Francisco andhad a meal with you
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  • is completely different.
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  • Laurie and I feel likewhat we do for a living
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  • if we actually do something,
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  • we try to getinformation out of people
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  • that is gonna be meaningfuland important stuff.
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  • If you realize thedifference that the world
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  • and the conditionof the world is
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  • from the last timewe were sitting
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  • in a nice hotel sittingthere in San Francisco
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  • and life wascompletely different.
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  • And listen, it wasn'tthat long ago, okay?
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  • And all of a sudden somethingthat nobody can see,
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  • RNA virus hijacked literallythe world and shook it.
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  • What do you think about that?
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  • What do you thinkabout this change?
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  • - I'm against it.
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  • (Laurie laughs)
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  • - Right, kind of proving it.
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  • - Now, you know what?
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  • I mean, not to bepollyanna about it
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  • but I do think adversityalways offers opportunity.
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  • And the last time you and I met
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  • we did talk about theimportance of connections,
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  • but now it's on steroids.
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  • And so now in advertisingwe would call it
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  • the single-mindedproposition, right?
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  • Not features, not benefits,
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  • but moments likethis distill people
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  • and force them toconsider questions
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  • like the one you're asking
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  • which basically Ithink to paraphrase is,
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  • what's it all about?
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  • Which purpose?
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  • And a year ago I kindof looked at what I do
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  • through the lens of theshows that I work on.
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  • So "Dirty Jobs" does this
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  • and "Somebody's GottaDo It" does that
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  • and "Returning TheFavor" does this.
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  • And "The Way IHeard It" does that
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  • and my foundation doesthis and a book, right?
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  • But moments like thiskind of force you
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  • to look at all of that and say,
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  • "Well, not how arethose things different,
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  • but how are they the same?"
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  • And so for me the thingthat all those projects
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  • have in common is that I tappedthe country on the shoulder
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  • from time to time and say,"Hey, what, what about him?"
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  • "What about her?"
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  • Look at what'sgoing on over here
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  • and how this person is makingsense out of their own.
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  • How were they playingthe cards they got?
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  • That's my job.
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  • And it's your point.
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  • It's fluid, things change.
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  • When this startedI hosted a show
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  • from my basement called"After the Catch"
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  • which was an interview showwith the crab boat captains
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  • and we did it on Zoom and itwas right after the lockdown.
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  • Late in March.
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  • And so everybody wasstill trying to get
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  • their head aroundthis new normal.
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  • And I said to the captains
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  • because I thought it soundedterribly clever at the time.
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  • I said for the firsttime we really are
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  • all in the same boat, right?
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  • But you know what?
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  • I wouldn't say that today.
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  • I don't think we'reall in the same boat.
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  • I think we're allin the same storm.
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  • And I think our boatsvary, our conditions vary.
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  • Our circumstances vary.
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  • I've got friends with kids whoare long distance learning,
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  • they're in school.
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  • Those parents are dealingwith a whole different level
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  • of angina than I am.
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  • I know people who live alone
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  • who are wrestlingwith loneliness.
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  • I know families with toomany people in a house
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  • that are wrestlingwith overcrowding.
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  • Our boats are different.
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  • The storm is the same.
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  • And whether or not we use allof that to take a deeper dive
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  • in the more interestingend of the pool.
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  • Well, that's up to us.
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  • - If there's anythingthat I think about
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  • when I think about you,
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  • nobody can talk MikeRowe into doing something
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  • that isn't in your lane.
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  • We understand who youare and what you wanna do
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  • and you wanna show peopleon "Somebody's Gotta Do It"
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  • that exact thing.
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  • Somebody's got to do this,
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  • so they're out there doingwhat they have to do.
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  • Well, I doubt anyof those people
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  • are doing anythingdifferent because of COVID.
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  • If you weren't doingwhat you really feel
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  • like was an importantlife mission, a purpose,
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  • maybe this season can redirect,
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  • maybe there's gonna be passionthat comes out of this,
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  • beyond and it'll be good.
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  • - Maybe, look I think itreminds me of something
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  • my dad said once about money.
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  • With regard to the old adagemoney changes everything.
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  • Money changes people.
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  • He said that money actuallymakes you more of who you are.
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  • If you start out a schmuck.
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  • (laughs)
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  • - Money...
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  • - You just get schmuckier.
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  • - is gonna make yourschmuckier, right?
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  • Now, I'm not sure that could be
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  • as big of bromide as theoriginal, I don't know.
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  • But I think thereis a corollary.
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  • And I think moments likethis tend to make people
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  • more of who they are.
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  • There's a clarifying component.
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  • And again, I dobelieve it feels like
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  • we are in the middleof the storm right now
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  • because we are butwhen we look back,
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  • and I don't know whenbut I think often about
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  • the stories in Londonin the Second World War
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  • during the Blitzkrieg andthe bombs are falling, right?
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  • And the people theygo underground.
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  • Why wouldn't you?
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  • And they stay therefor a couple of weeks
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  • and the bombs keep falling
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  • but they've been down therea couple of weeks now.
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  • And so they venture out andthey start opening the shops.
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  • The bombs are still falling.
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  • And then they openup the schools,
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  • and the sirens go offand they run underground,
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  • the bombs are still falling.
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  • They got bored withbeing terrified.
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  • And they just decidedthis is not who we are.
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  • We're not people wholive underground.
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  • We're gonna have to adapt,
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  • we're gonna have to adopt,
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  • we're gonna have to assume anew relationship with risk,
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  • we're gonna haveto live our lives.
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  • And so on a micro levelwe all get to do that.
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  • We all have to.
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  • On a macro level, our countryis going to have to do that.
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  • The world's gonnahave to do that.
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  • And I don't know if I'vesaid this to you before,
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  • but early on andstill to this day
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  • the one thing thathasn't changed for me
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  • is that it feels like thecountry is going through
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  • the Kubler-Ross Five stagesof grief at different times.
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  • - Oh my goodness.
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  • - So I don't care whereyou are in this world.
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  • You'd be in a mall,out shopping for a car,
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  • taking your kids to...whatever you're doing.
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  • You look aroundand you'll see it.
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  • This one's in denial.
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  • Oh, this one's still bargaining.
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  • Over here oh, this one'sin depression, right?
  • 00:11:48.531 --> 00:11:52.501
  • This one is just angry.
  • 00:11:52.501 --> 00:11:53.869
  • And here we have somebodywho's accepted it.
  • 00:11:55.204 --> 00:11:57.072
  • What exactly have they accepted?
  • 00:11:57.072 --> 00:11:58.607
  • I don't know.
  • 00:11:58.607 --> 00:11:59.542
  • The reality of the virus,
  • 00:11:59.542 --> 00:12:02.178
  • the reality of a new normal,
  • 00:12:02.178 --> 00:12:04.246
  • the reality of losing their job
  • 00:12:04.246 --> 00:12:05.748
  • and having to retool, reconnect.
  • 00:12:05.748 --> 00:12:08.851
  • So all of these things it'slike a big algebra problem
  • 00:12:08.851 --> 00:12:12.755
  • with no constants, right?
  • 00:12:12.755 --> 00:12:14.190
  • It's all variables.
  • 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:16.025
  • And so when you lookaround and our brains
  • 00:12:16.025 --> 00:12:20.529
  • will always find what wetell them to look for.
  • 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:23.866
  • So if you look fordepression, you'll find it.
  • 00:12:23.866 --> 00:12:25.901
  • If you look foracceptance you'll find it,
  • 00:12:25.901 --> 00:12:28.003
  • bargaining all of it.
  • 00:12:28.003 --> 00:12:30.339
  • And so we all are going throughthis at different stages
  • 00:12:30.339 --> 00:12:34.944
  • and it's hard to knowthere's no playbook
  • 00:12:34.944 --> 00:12:39.949
  • and there's no magic formula
  • 00:12:40.816 --> 00:12:42.051
  • and what it reallyforces us to do
  • 00:12:42.051 --> 00:12:44.486
  • is sit down face to facewith people and listen
  • 00:12:44.486 --> 00:12:48.524
  • and talk and see where theyare and see if you can help.
  • 00:12:48.524 --> 00:12:51.594
  • And who knows, maybesee where you are.
  • 00:12:51.594 --> 00:12:53.529
  • Maybe they can help you.
  • 00:12:53.529 --> 00:12:54.730
  • - The saying you don'tbecome what you wanna be,
  • 00:12:56.131 --> 00:12:58.334
  • you become who you are.
  • 00:12:58.334 --> 00:13:00.002
  • I don't know there'sso many people
  • 00:13:00.002 --> 00:13:01.804
  • who have put so manyother people in boxesduring this time.
  • 00:13:01.804 --> 00:13:05.674
  • It has just been so bad.
  • 00:13:05.674 --> 00:13:07.877
  • It's like the racebox, political box.
  • 00:13:07.877 --> 00:13:12.548
  • And it's like there's aboutfour or five boxes in the world
  • 00:13:12.548 --> 00:13:16.018
  • and we all have been crammedinto one of those boxes.
  • 00:13:16.018 --> 00:13:20.723
  • How do you see even that?
  • 00:13:21.590 --> 00:13:23.926
  • - Well, I see it'slike let's make a deal.
  • 00:13:23.926 --> 00:13:27.329
  • You got the box, yougot the curtain right?
  • 00:13:27.329 --> 00:13:30.266
  • You got this it's like...
  • 00:13:30.266 --> 00:13:30.733
  • - So, the good news is
  • 00:13:31.800 --> 00:13:33.903
  • we're getting choices.
  • 00:13:35.271 --> 00:13:36.505
  • - [Lady] Right.
  • 00:13:36.505 --> 00:13:37.773
  • - The bad news is MontyHall is still out there
  • 00:13:37.773 --> 00:13:39.575
  • and they're gonnapull the curtain aside
  • 00:13:39.575 --> 00:13:41.010
  • and there's gonna be, you know,
  • 00:13:41.010 --> 00:13:42.478
  • a mule with some boraxstrap to it or something.
  • 00:13:42.478 --> 00:13:45.147
  • But no, I would rather have
  • 00:13:45.147 --> 00:13:48.117
  • multiple choicesthat you described,
  • 00:13:48.117 --> 00:13:49.685
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:13:49.685 --> 00:13:51.253
  • - then this binaryprison of two ideas
  • 00:13:51.253 --> 00:13:54.089
  • that we've been put into,
  • 00:13:54.089 --> 00:13:56.125
  • where there's leftand there's right,
  • 00:13:56.125 --> 00:13:58.294
  • and there's black and there'swhite and there's, right...
  • 00:13:58.294 --> 00:14:00.930
  • Everything is this or that.
  • 00:14:00.930 --> 00:14:03.766
  • And you know, the five stagesof grief isn't this or that,
  • 00:14:03.766 --> 00:14:06.635
  • it's five stage.
  • 00:14:06.635 --> 00:14:07.836
  • - [Both Guests] Right.
  • 00:14:07.836 --> 00:14:09.138
  • - And that's whatmakes it, I think,
  • 00:14:09.138 --> 00:14:10.806
  • a little more germaneto actual living,
  • 00:14:10.806 --> 00:14:13.709
  • because in life, Imean, you just...
  • 00:14:13.709 --> 00:14:16.645
  • We just had a terrific meal here
  • 00:14:16.645 --> 00:14:19.448
  • and there were many choices.
  • 00:14:19.448 --> 00:14:20.716
  • There was meat done todifferent temperatures,
  • 00:14:20.716 --> 00:14:23.185
  • and there was a terrific salad.
  • 00:14:23.185 --> 00:14:24.520
  • There was this, right...
  • 00:14:24.520 --> 00:14:25.454
  • Like life is choices.
  • 00:14:25.454 --> 00:14:27.056
  • But for some reason,when it comes to the way
  • 00:14:27.056 --> 00:14:29.458
  • we talk to each other now,
  • 00:14:29.458 --> 00:14:30.659
  • and the kind of news we watch,
  • 00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:32.861
  • everything is framed as,
  • 00:14:32.861 --> 00:14:35.130
  • well, are youpro-mask or anti-mask?
  • 00:14:35.130 --> 00:14:37.499
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:14:37.499 --> 00:14:38.734
  • - Well, careful howyou answer because
  • 00:14:38.734 --> 00:14:40.436
  • you're not reallytalking about masks now,
  • 00:14:40.436 --> 00:14:42.571
  • you're talking about allsorts of other things
  • 00:14:42.571 --> 00:14:44.606
  • that have been assigned to that.
  • 00:14:44.606 --> 00:14:46.342
  • And so on top ofeverything else,
  • 00:14:46.342 --> 00:14:48.711
  • we're all trying to figure out
  • 00:14:48.711 --> 00:14:50.813
  • how it is we're being perceived
  • 00:14:50.813 --> 00:14:52.381
  • if we do or don't doa particular thing
  • 00:14:52.381 --> 00:14:54.350
  • that's gonna send a messagethat we don't intend to send.
  • 00:14:54.350 --> 00:14:58.454
  • And so to me, so muchof it comes back to
  • 00:14:58.454 --> 00:15:01.857
  • how we deal...
  • 00:15:01.857 --> 00:15:04.059
  • Really there are two four letterwords that are fascinating,
  • 00:15:04.059 --> 00:15:06.996
  • and these are bothfamily friendly, right?
  • 00:15:06.996 --> 00:15:09.231
  • (both guests laughing)
  • 00:15:09.231 --> 00:15:10.399
  • The first one Imentioned, it's risk.
  • 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.368
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:15:12.368 --> 00:15:13.202
  • - How we manage risk.
  • 00:15:13.202 --> 00:15:15.270
  • And the second is fear,how we manage fear.
  • 00:15:15.270 --> 00:15:18.941
  • Now I know you've got alot to say about that,
  • 00:15:18.941 --> 00:15:20.743
  • and I know that theBible has a great deal
  • 00:15:20.743 --> 00:15:22.511
  • to say about that.
  • 00:15:22.511 --> 00:15:23.479
  • And I know about the foundation
  • 00:15:23.479 --> 00:15:24.980
  • upon which you buildyour house, right.
  • 00:15:24.980 --> 00:15:26.915
  • But I think, you know,
  • 00:15:29.451 --> 00:15:31.253
  • I'm working on the storynow for the podcast
  • 00:15:31.253 --> 00:15:33.555
  • that I think you'lllike, but it has to do
  • 00:15:33.555 --> 00:15:36.425
  • with the way...
  • 00:15:36.425 --> 00:15:38.427
  • It has to do withproportionality and fear.
  • 00:15:38.427 --> 00:15:41.530
  • And I look back at somethingthat happened in London
  • 00:15:41.530 --> 00:15:44.700
  • a century ago calleda Moral Panic.
  • 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:48.670
  • And a Moral Panic isthe thing that happens
  • 00:15:48.670 --> 00:15:51.140
  • when an entirepopulation completely
  • 00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:54.777
  • loses its collective mind oversomething that is dangerous,
  • 00:15:54.777 --> 00:15:59.782
  • but not proportionallydangerous to what's happening.
  • 00:16:01.116 --> 00:16:03.719
  • I'm not saying that'swhat's happening here.
  • 00:16:03.719 --> 00:16:05.187
  • I'm not gonnaminimize the virus.
  • 00:16:05.187 --> 00:16:07.623
  • But back in 1888,
  • 00:16:08.690 --> 00:16:10.926
  • a fiend named Jack the Ripper,
  • 00:16:10.926 --> 00:16:13.662
  • took five lives.
  • 00:16:15.597 --> 00:16:17.633
  • And those five liveswere all prostitutes.
  • 00:16:17.633 --> 00:16:21.737
  • And they all worked in avery specific part of town.
  • 00:16:21.737 --> 00:16:24.840
  • And everybody knew that.
  • 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.442
  • But because of theway the newspapers
  • 00:16:26.442 --> 00:16:31.246
  • reported on what happened,
  • 00:16:31.246 --> 00:16:34.149
  • and because of the waythe politicians in charge
  • 00:16:34.149 --> 00:16:37.119
  • handled what happened, andbecause of the way the doctors
  • 00:16:37.119 --> 00:16:41.757
  • couldn't get on the same pageand explain what happened,
  • 00:16:41.757 --> 00:16:44.726
  • the entire town ofLondon locked itself down
  • 00:16:44.726 --> 00:16:47.229
  • for nearly six months
  • 00:16:47.229 --> 00:16:49.398
  • because they were going throughthe five stages of grief
  • 00:16:49.398 --> 00:16:53.035
  • without context or perspective.
  • 00:16:53.035 --> 00:16:55.604
  • And so as a verylong way of saying
  • 00:16:55.604 --> 00:16:58.707
  • we're in the middleof it right now,
  • 00:16:58.707 --> 00:17:00.776
  • but when we lookback on this one day
  • 00:17:00.776 --> 00:17:02.911
  • and when futuregenerations look back,
  • 00:17:02.911 --> 00:17:05.247
  • we'll be weighed andmeasured on two things,
  • 00:17:06.482 --> 00:17:09.985
  • how we handled the risk
  • 00:17:09.985 --> 00:17:12.254
  • and how we dealt with the fear.
  • 00:17:12.254 --> 00:17:13.822
  • And that's the way it always is.
  • 00:17:14.957 --> 00:17:17.192
  • - Woo, wow!
  • 00:17:17.192 --> 00:17:18.927
  • Well, let me reset for you.
  • 00:17:18.927 --> 00:17:21.964
  • - I sounded kind of smart there-
  • 00:17:21.964 --> 00:17:23.098
  • - [Lady] Yeah, I'm so impressed.
  • 00:17:23.098 --> 00:17:25.234
  • - You know, I was goingto circle back to that
  • 00:17:25.234 --> 00:17:28.237
  • and I thought, you know what,
  • 00:17:28.237 --> 00:17:30.105
  • Sila, Mike has, you know,
  • 00:17:30.105 --> 00:17:33.342
  • has kind of hit it.
  • 00:17:33.342 --> 00:17:35.310
  • We somehow get fivestages of grief,
  • 00:17:35.310 --> 00:17:39.248
  • but we only get two binaryboxes on everything else.
  • 00:17:39.248 --> 00:17:42.384
  • - Right.
  • 00:17:42.384 --> 00:17:43.318
  • - And what the heck with that?
  • 00:17:43.318 --> 00:17:45.187
  • - [Host] Right.
  • 00:17:45.187 --> 00:17:46.688
  • - You know, why can't webe shades of this or that?
  • 00:17:46.688 --> 00:17:49.925
  • And why can't we be individuals?
  • 00:17:49.925 --> 00:17:52.794
  • Why are you putting me in a box?
  • 00:17:52.794 --> 00:17:55.030
  • And so it feelslike some in society
  • 00:17:56.198 --> 00:17:59.368
  • wanna force you intothis box or that box.
  • 00:17:59.368 --> 00:18:01.937
  • Why can't I be an individual?
  • 00:18:01.937 --> 00:18:03.972
  • - With a word.
  • 00:18:03.972 --> 00:18:05.007
  • - Because if you...
  • 00:18:05.007 --> 00:18:06.208
  • Well, I mean, if you'reasking rhetorically,
  • 00:18:06.208 --> 00:18:08.210
  • I don't know.
  • 00:18:08.210 --> 00:18:09.144
  • If your asking specifically,
  • 00:18:09.144 --> 00:18:10.345
  • it's because whenyou're an individual,
  • 00:18:10.345 --> 00:18:12.247
  • you're not part of the team.
  • 00:18:12.247 --> 00:18:13.749
  • And if you're notpart of the team,
  • 00:18:13.749 --> 00:18:15.651
  • then you might not bepart of the community.
  • 00:18:15.651 --> 00:18:17.119
  • And if you're notpart of the community,
  • 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:18.954
  • well, then you're nota part of the commune?
  • 00:18:18.954 --> 00:18:21.790
  • Now we're getting interestingwith the language, right?
  • 00:18:23.192 --> 00:18:25.294
  • Community is a good thing.
  • 00:18:25.294 --> 00:18:26.862
  • Maybe a commune isa different thing.
  • 00:18:26.862 --> 00:18:29.264
  • Maybe a communistic thingis nothing altogether,
  • 00:18:29.264 --> 00:18:32.935
  • but you start looking at thecommonality of the letters,
  • 00:18:32.935 --> 00:18:36.538
  • right?
  • 00:18:36.538 --> 00:18:38.073
  • So, look, there're terrificthings to say about teamwork
  • 00:18:38.073 --> 00:18:41.109
  • and community, and importantthings to say about
  • 00:18:41.109 --> 00:18:43.512
  • coming together as a group,
  • 00:18:43.512 --> 00:18:45.747
  • but not at the expenseof your individuality,
  • 00:18:45.747 --> 00:18:50.619
  • because it's yourindividuality that ultimately
  • 00:18:50.619 --> 00:18:53.188
  • you're going to be judged upon.
  • 00:18:53.188 --> 00:18:54.923
  • - [Lady] Right.
  • 00:18:54.923 --> 00:18:56.425
  • - Not were you a part of thegroup that did the good thing.
  • 00:18:56.425 --> 00:18:59.861
  • But what did you do, right?
  • 00:18:59.861 --> 00:19:02.064
  • And nobody gets to know thatexcept you and him, right?
  • 00:19:02.064 --> 00:19:05.701
  • So it gets very, verypersonal very quickly.
  • 00:19:05.701 --> 00:19:07.669
  • And I think that'swhy, you know,
  • 00:19:07.669 --> 00:19:10.172
  • when you see words like...
  • 00:19:10.172 --> 00:19:12.174
  • When you talk about justice
  • 00:19:13.442 --> 00:19:15.510
  • and you see any wordin front of justice,
  • 00:19:15.510 --> 00:19:17.746
  • other than individual,then heads up,
  • 00:19:17.746 --> 00:19:22.050
  • something's about to get hinky.
  • 00:19:22.050 --> 00:19:23.585
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:19:23.585 --> 00:19:24.519
  • - Maybe it's social justice.
  • 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:26.321
  • Maybe it's...
  • 00:19:26.321 --> 00:19:27.956
  • Well, you've heard it all.
  • 00:19:27.956 --> 00:19:29.591
  • None of thosethings are justice.
  • 00:19:29.591 --> 00:19:31.093
  • They're something else.
  • 00:19:31.093 --> 00:19:32.594
  • The only justice that'sreal is individual justice.
  • 00:19:32.594 --> 00:19:35.831
  • And the only consequencesthat are real
  • 00:19:35.831 --> 00:19:37.466
  • are the ones youearn for yourself.
  • 00:19:37.466 --> 00:19:38.834
  • - I love talkingabout that because
  • 00:19:38.834 --> 00:19:40.736
  • I think that weall have to think,
  • 00:19:40.736 --> 00:19:44.339
  • not as a group butas individuals.
  • 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:47.142
  • Because one day we willall gonna stand before God,
  • 00:19:47.142 --> 00:19:50.012
  • we're not gonna standtogether as a group
  • 00:19:50.012 --> 00:19:52.114
  • or a race or atribe or a tongue.
  • 00:19:52.114 --> 00:19:55.250
  • We're going to stand byourselves before God.
  • 00:19:55.250 --> 00:20:00.255
  • And it's the beliefs in my heart
  • 00:20:00.255 --> 00:20:03.759
  • and my working outmy own salvation withfear and trembling
  • 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:08.764
  • that I'm gonna standbefore God for.
  • 00:20:09.898 --> 00:20:12.000
  • And what did I do?
  • 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.935
  • Or how did I perceive something?
  • 00:20:13.935 --> 00:20:16.305
  • And what were my beliefs
  • 00:20:16.305 --> 00:20:18.106
  • and how stronglydid I believe God.
  • 00:20:18.106 --> 00:20:21.343
  • I think that is something that
  • 00:20:21.343 --> 00:20:24.379
  • we're all in troublefor right now,
  • 00:20:24.379 --> 00:20:26.948
  • because of the way somany people are just
  • 00:20:26.948 --> 00:20:30.552
  • getting in their groups and-
  • 00:20:30.552 --> 00:20:33.288
  • - Turning us intomonolithic thinks.
  • 00:20:33.288 --> 00:20:35.557
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:20:35.557 --> 00:20:36.992
  • - You know, and group thinkinstead of individual.
  • 00:20:36.992 --> 00:20:38.493
  • - And even though I don'tbelieve what they're saying,
  • 00:20:38.493 --> 00:20:40.896
  • I still have tobe in that group.
  • 00:20:40.896 --> 00:20:42.230
  • - Right.
  • 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:43.432
  • So, you gotta havethe secret handshake.
  • 00:20:43.432 --> 00:20:45.000
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:46.001
  • - You gotta wearthe right colors
  • 00:20:46.001 --> 00:20:46.868
  • - Right.- and so forth.
  • 00:20:46.868 --> 00:20:47.736
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:20:47.736 --> 00:20:49.271
  • - But think about everyworthwhile promiseyou've ever made,
  • 00:20:49.271 --> 00:20:51.740
  • whether it's a marriagevow or pledge, any pledge,
  • 00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:55.177
  • the pledge of allegiance.
  • 00:20:55.177 --> 00:20:56.078
  • - [Lady] Covenant.
  • 00:20:56.078 --> 00:20:56.912
  • - Right.
  • 00:20:56.912 --> 00:20:58.380
  • It doesn't start with, wepledge allegiance to the flag.
  • 00:20:58.380 --> 00:20:59.648
  • It starts with, I pledgeallegiance to the flag.
  • 00:20:59.648 --> 00:21:02.050
  • It's a very selfish pronoun,
  • 00:21:02.050 --> 00:21:03.618
  • but it's a very important one.
  • 00:21:03.618 --> 00:21:05.387
  • You know, in my foundation,in mikeroweWORKS,
  • 00:21:05.387 --> 00:21:08.757
  • everybody who applies forwork ethic scholarship
  • 00:21:08.757 --> 00:21:10.892
  • has to sign a sweat pledge.
  • 00:21:10.892 --> 00:21:13.095
  • Now people make funof this all the time
  • 00:21:13.095 --> 00:21:14.830
  • but I do think there'ssomething personal and powerful
  • 00:21:14.830 --> 00:21:18.367
  • about raising yourright hand and saying,
  • 00:21:18.367 --> 00:21:19.901
  • "Okay, this is what I believe."
  • 00:21:19.901 --> 00:21:23.338
  • Right.
  • 00:21:23.338 --> 00:21:24.506
  • It's simply astatement of belief.
  • 00:21:24.506 --> 00:21:26.074
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:21:26.074 --> 00:21:27.609
  • - And look, to answer yourvery, very first question,
  • 00:21:27.609 --> 00:21:29.845
  • I do that with my shows too,now that I think about it,
  • 00:21:29.845 --> 00:21:33.215
  • every episode of Dirty Jobsstarted with the pledge.
  • 00:21:33.215 --> 00:21:36.785
  • It was called amission statement,
  • 00:21:36.785 --> 00:21:38.353
  • - [Lady] Right.
  • 00:21:38.353 --> 00:21:39.187
  • - it was the same thing.
  • 00:21:39.187 --> 00:21:40.389
  • My name's Mike Rowe,this is my job.
  • 00:21:40.389 --> 00:21:41.590
  • I explore the countrylooking for people
  • 00:21:41.590 --> 00:21:42.824
  • who aren't afraid to get dirty.
  • 00:21:42.824 --> 00:21:44.326
  • Hardworking men and womenwho do the kinds of jobs
  • 00:21:44.326 --> 00:21:46.094
  • that make civilized lifepossible for the rest of us.
  • 00:21:46.094 --> 00:21:49.297
  • I didn't even knowit when I wrote it,
  • 00:21:49.297 --> 00:21:52.033
  • but I was simply on the one hand
  • 00:21:52.033 --> 00:21:54.436
  • trying to tell theviewer what my goal was
  • 00:21:54.436 --> 00:21:57.439
  • and on the other hand, I wastrying to manage expectations.
  • 00:21:57.439 --> 00:22:00.509
  • (guests laughing)
  • 00:22:00.509 --> 00:22:02.177
  • 'Cause if you reallythink about it,
  • 00:22:02.177 --> 00:22:04.146
  • what am I saying in a pledge?
  • 00:22:04.146 --> 00:22:05.414
  • Like, I'm not sayingI'm gonna find them,
  • 00:22:05.414 --> 00:22:07.215
  • I'm saying I'mgonna look around,
  • 00:22:07.215 --> 00:22:09.117
  • maybe I'll find them.
  • 00:22:09.117 --> 00:22:10.085
  • I don't know, maybe I won't.
  • 00:22:10.085 --> 00:22:11.686
  • Stay tuned.
  • 00:22:11.686 --> 00:22:12.521
  • - Okay.
  • 00:22:12.521 --> 00:22:13.755
  • First of all, threethings, three things,
  • 00:22:13.755 --> 00:22:15.991
  • everything you've saidis really important,
  • 00:22:15.991 --> 00:22:18.326
  • but I'm distractedslightly because there's
  • 00:22:18.326 --> 00:22:20.228
  • four deer in thefield down behind you,
  • 00:22:20.228 --> 00:22:22.497
  • that I keep glancing at.
  • 00:22:22.497 --> 00:22:24.866
  • And they're just meanderingaround and eating
  • 00:22:24.866 --> 00:22:26.902
  • - It's so cute.
  • 00:22:26.902 --> 00:22:27.736
  • - and it's beautiful.
  • 00:22:27.736 --> 00:22:28.737
  • We're in WesternColorado, right.
  • 00:22:28.737 --> 00:22:31.606
  • - It's a little blusteryand a little rainy.
  • 00:22:31.606 --> 00:22:33.608
  • - It's beautiful.
  • 00:22:33.608 --> 00:22:34.476
  • - A little sprinkle.
  • 00:22:34.476 --> 00:22:35.577
  • - It's justabsolutely beautiful.
  • 00:22:35.577 --> 00:22:36.378
  • (lady talking faintly)
  • 00:22:36.378 --> 00:22:37.145
  • - So two-
  • 00:22:37.145 --> 00:22:38.613
  • - Distracting.
  • 00:22:38.613 --> 00:22:40.115
  • - At least one thing yousaid caught my attention.
  • 00:22:40.115 --> 00:22:42.918
  • Just for clarification,very briefly,
  • 00:22:42.918 --> 00:22:45.454
  • you kinda pointed up andyou said him, by that,
  • 00:22:45.454 --> 00:22:48.523
  • what did you mean by that?
  • 00:22:48.523 --> 00:22:49.858
  • Just for some clarification.
  • 00:22:49.858 --> 00:22:51.460
  • - Well, I was goingwith the man upstairs.
  • 00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:53.094
  • - [Man] Okay.
  • 00:22:53.094 --> 00:22:53.929
  • And the man upstairs is?
  • 00:22:53.929 --> 00:22:55.163
  • - Well, that wouldbe Jesus Christ.
  • 00:22:55.163 --> 00:22:56.998
  • That would be...
  • 00:22:56.998 --> 00:22:58.333
  • Well, I believethe correct answer,
  • 00:22:58.333 --> 00:23:01.036
  • if I'm falling back on, youknow, what I've been told
  • 00:23:01.036 --> 00:23:04.506
  • and you can straightenme out if I'm wrong,
  • 00:23:04.506 --> 00:23:06.274
  • - [Lady] We will.
  • 00:23:06.274 --> 00:23:07.776
  • - but it'd be the mysteryof the triumphant there,
  • 00:23:07.776 --> 00:23:09.244
  • the father, theson, the Holy Ghost.
  • 00:23:09.244 --> 00:23:10.712
  • - [Man] Yeah.
  • 00:23:10.712 --> 00:23:11.546
  • - The Trinity.
  • 00:23:11.546 --> 00:23:12.380
  • - [Man] Got it.
  • 00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:13.215
  • Okay.
  • 00:23:13.215 --> 00:23:14.449
  • - And, you know, Imean, to make it...
  • 00:23:14.449 --> 00:23:15.884
  • And this is probably thewrong place to say this,
  • 00:23:17.252 --> 00:23:19.221
  • but to appeal...
  • 00:23:19.221 --> 00:23:21.122
  • I don't wannapreach to the choir
  • 00:23:21.122 --> 00:23:22.757
  • and the choir watches your show.
  • 00:23:22.757 --> 00:23:24.559
  • - Right.
  • 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:25.494
  • - But what can you say to people
  • 00:23:25.494 --> 00:23:26.461
  • who are like-mindedbut less specific?
  • 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:31.166
  • - [Man] Yeah.
  • 00:23:31.166 --> 00:23:32.434
  • - Who do they maketheir promise to?
  • 00:23:32.434 --> 00:23:33.502
  • I mean, what do you do?
  • 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:36.304
  • I mean, you can make apromise to another person
  • 00:23:36.304 --> 00:23:38.473
  • and have a marriage,that's great.
  • 00:23:38.473 --> 00:23:39.941
  • You can make a promise to amountain, then that's terrific.
  • 00:23:39.941 --> 00:23:42.978
  • You can make apromise to the sky.
  • 00:23:42.978 --> 00:23:44.312
  • I mean, but inthe end, you know,
  • 00:23:44.312 --> 00:23:47.349
  • in the words of Sam McGee,
  • 00:23:47.349 --> 00:23:51.253
  • "A promise madeis a debt unpaid."
  • 00:23:51.253 --> 00:23:54.356
  • And how your pledges work
  • 00:23:57.225 --> 00:23:58.660
  • and who you promise whatto, all that matters.
  • 00:23:58.660 --> 00:24:02.297
  • And by the way, thebuck stop there.
  • 00:24:02.297 --> 00:24:04.099
  • (guests laughing)
  • 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:05.467
  • - Yeah, there theyare right there.
  • 00:24:05.467 --> 00:24:07.269
  • We are in a uniqueseason, it's called COVID.
  • 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.805
  • It feels like we have gonethrough several waves.
  • 00:24:13.308 --> 00:24:17.546
  • The second wave we'rein some sort of lull.
  • 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.217
  • After the second wave,is we are sitting here
  • 00:24:22.217 --> 00:24:25.153
  • in Western Coloradodoing this show.
  • 00:24:25.153 --> 00:24:27.289
  • But it's interesting because
  • 00:24:29.424 --> 00:24:31.259
  • it doesn't feellike COVID changed
  • 00:24:32.427 --> 00:24:35.430
  • what I do almost every day.
  • 00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:37.799
  • (lady giggling)
  • 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.367
  • You know, we have made content
  • 00:24:39.367 --> 00:24:42.170
  • that is attempting to
  • 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:45.273
  • comfort in some circumstances,
  • 00:24:46.474 --> 00:24:48.777
  • explain in some circumstances
  • 00:24:48.777 --> 00:24:50.512
  • and, you know, I mean, look,
  • 00:24:50.512 --> 00:24:52.213
  • the programming ofTrinity Broadcastingis all over the map.
  • 00:24:52.213 --> 00:24:57.118
  • What you do is you inspirepeople uniquely with passion.
  • 00:24:58.520 --> 00:25:02.390
  • You go out with a film crew
  • 00:25:03.258 --> 00:25:05.560
  • and you are with people thatcare about what they're doing.
  • 00:25:05.560 --> 00:25:10.565
  • You're with peoplethat would do it,
  • 00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:13.134
  • whether they got paidor not, most likely.
  • 00:25:13.134 --> 00:25:15.937
  • There's just some things that
  • 00:25:15.937 --> 00:25:17.739
  • you find for our audience
  • 00:25:17.739 --> 00:25:20.942
  • and when people tunedto TBN and see you,
  • 00:25:20.942 --> 00:25:24.846
  • they're finding passion.
  • 00:25:24.846 --> 00:25:27.315
  • You're explaining people that
  • 00:25:27.315 --> 00:25:29.651
  • whether COVID comesor goes, you know,
  • 00:25:29.651 --> 00:25:32.587
  • they manage their fear anddo their passion anyway.
  • 00:25:32.587 --> 00:25:37.592
  • You know, I mean, I saw,you know, some new episodes
  • 00:25:38.994 --> 00:25:41.730
  • that by the way,we're going to go to,
  • 00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:45.634
  • and then you're gonnaget to see some clips
  • 00:25:45.634 --> 00:25:47.302
  • and bits and partsand pieces of some new
  • 00:25:47.302 --> 00:25:50.705
  • Somebody's Got ToDo It episodes,
  • 00:25:50.705 --> 00:25:52.807
  • those people that makesoap out of pumpkins
  • 00:25:52.807 --> 00:25:56.878
  • and squash and all of that,
  • 00:25:56.878 --> 00:25:59.214
  • they're makingthat soap right now
  • 00:25:59.214 --> 00:26:02.083
  • in the midst of COVID for sure.
  • 00:26:02.083 --> 00:26:04.586
  • They're making it.
  • 00:26:04.586 --> 00:26:06.054
  • You know, the guy thatcarves the ice sculptures
  • 00:26:06.054 --> 00:26:08.323
  • is carving ice witha chainsaw right now,
  • 00:26:08.323 --> 00:26:11.292
  • you know, no matter what.
  • 00:26:11.292 --> 00:26:13.928
  • There is passioninside of people
  • 00:26:13.928 --> 00:26:16.464
  • and you find that for us andfor that we're ever grateful.
  • 00:26:16.464 --> 00:26:20.535
  • - Well, you gave usa home to share it
  • 00:26:20.535 --> 00:26:23.271
  • and for that, I'm grateful.
  • 00:26:23.271 --> 00:26:24.572
  • I didn't discoveranything other than
  • 00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:29.544
  • the stuff that'sright in front of us.
  • 00:26:29.544 --> 00:26:31.513
  • You know, you runout of dirty jobs,
  • 00:26:31.513 --> 00:26:33.615
  • you run out of vocations,you never run out of people.
  • 00:26:33.615 --> 00:26:36.818
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:26:36.818 --> 00:26:38.086
  • - And all the shows areabout people, you know.
  • 00:26:38.086 --> 00:26:40.455
  • And speaking of people,you said something earlier
  • 00:26:40.455 --> 00:26:43.191
  • that made me thinkof C. S. Lewis.
  • 00:26:43.191 --> 00:26:45.694
  • I'm sure you're familiar with,
  • 00:26:46.961 --> 00:26:48.229
  • but somebody askedhim back in 1948,
  • 00:26:48.229 --> 00:26:51.232
  • how do we live inthe atomic age?
  • 00:26:53.501 --> 00:26:55.804
  • How are we supposed to do this?
  • 00:26:55.804 --> 00:26:57.772
  • Because never before, right,
  • 00:26:57.772 --> 00:27:00.475
  • had the world realized thateverybody's got the bomb.
  • 00:27:00.475 --> 00:27:05.246
  • You know, and so how are wesupposed to live knowing that?
  • 00:27:05.246 --> 00:27:09.384
  • And his answerwas just so great.
  • 00:27:09.384 --> 00:27:12.454
  • And it would worktoday in response to
  • 00:27:12.454 --> 00:27:16.291
  • how are we supposedto live with COVID.
  • 00:27:16.291 --> 00:27:18.693
  • He said the same waywe live with Vikings
  • 00:27:18.693 --> 00:27:21.429
  • who could come over at anytime with swords and plunder.
  • 00:27:21.429 --> 00:27:24.733
  • The same way we lived with...
  • 00:27:24.733 --> 00:27:26.901
  • And he just went down the list.
  • 00:27:26.901 --> 00:27:28.670
  • And you realize, you know,
  • 00:27:28.670 --> 00:27:31.339
  • COVID is one more thing
  • 00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:34.809
  • that can wreck aperfectly nice life
  • 00:27:34.809 --> 00:27:38.179
  • in a world filledwith a thousand things
  • 00:27:38.179 --> 00:27:40.982
  • that can come along andeverything you think you know,
  • 00:27:40.982 --> 00:27:45.987
  • it can rob you ofall of the certainty
  • 00:27:47.155 --> 00:27:49.457
  • that you thought you had.
  • 00:27:49.457 --> 00:27:51.226
  • So, on a show like Somebody'sGotta Do It, again,
  • 00:27:51.226 --> 00:27:54.395
  • I try and stay in my lane,
  • 00:27:54.395 --> 00:27:55.830
  • but I find it pretty persuasiveand elegant to find people
  • 00:27:55.830 --> 00:28:00.301
  • who found a way tolive in the atomic age,
  • 00:28:03.271 --> 00:28:05.874
  • who found a way to livein the age of COVID,
  • 00:28:05.874 --> 00:28:08.877
  • the age of Coronaand who are frankly,
  • 00:28:08.877 --> 00:28:12.747
  • kind of nonplussedby the whole thing.
  • 00:28:12.747 --> 00:28:15.617
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:28:15.617 --> 00:28:16.818
  • - I mean, they don'ttake it lightly,
  • 00:28:16.818 --> 00:28:18.620
  • but they just wakeup and they go,
  • 00:28:18.620 --> 00:28:20.188
  • "Huh, looks like rain."
  • 00:28:20.188 --> 00:28:21.656
  • (laughing)
  • 00:28:21.656 --> 00:28:24.292
  • And they put on their macintosh.
  • 00:28:24.292 --> 00:28:25.894
  • - [Lady] Yeah.
  • 00:28:25.894 --> 00:28:27.028
  • - And they go outsideand they work.
  • 00:28:27.028 --> 00:28:28.797
  • That guy who carvesice, you know, he-
  • 00:28:28.797 --> 00:28:32.167
  • - It's ice because helives in Northern Wisconsin
  • 00:28:33.535 --> 00:28:34.469
  • near a lake that freezes,
  • 00:28:34.469 --> 00:28:35.937
  • and he looked around, he islike, I have a lot of ice here.
  • 00:28:35.937 --> 00:28:37.672
  • (laughs)
  • 00:28:37.672 --> 00:28:38.907
  • I have a lot of ice,maybe I'll carve some.
  • 00:28:38.907 --> 00:28:41.476
  • We meet a guy and thiswas totally by accident.
  • 00:28:41.476 --> 00:28:44.746
  • In fact, a lot of thestories we feature
  • 00:28:44.746 --> 00:28:46.748
  • on these new episodes,
  • 00:28:46.748 --> 00:28:48.716
  • we truly ForrestGumped our way across.
  • 00:28:48.716 --> 00:28:51.719
  • - That's awesome.
  • 00:28:51.719 --> 00:28:52.954
  • - Like I didn't go outto shoot these stories,
  • 00:28:52.954 --> 00:28:55.423
  • I found these people whileI was doing something else.
  • 00:28:55.423 --> 00:28:58.760
  • We find a guy in Georgia
  • 00:28:58.760 --> 00:29:02.397
  • who has a wood shop
  • 00:29:02.397 --> 00:29:05.400
  • and he makes thesebeautiful handmade tables.
  • 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:10.138
  • And the people whowork in his wood shop,
  • 00:29:10.138 --> 00:29:12.740
  • are all former felons whohave hit the reset button
  • 00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:17.712
  • and are trying to get their life
  • 00:29:18.613 --> 00:29:19.814
  • back on track.- Nice.
  • 00:29:19.814 --> 00:29:20.648
  • It's called Lamon Luther
  • 00:29:20.648 --> 00:29:22.283
  • and it's named afterthe guy's grandfather.
  • 00:29:22.283 --> 00:29:24.886
  • And all of thefurniture they make,
  • 00:29:24.886 --> 00:29:28.456
  • they make of old discarded wood.
  • 00:29:28.456 --> 00:29:32.260
  • And the furniture is madefrom old discarded people,
  • 00:29:32.260 --> 00:29:36.898
  • you know.- [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:29:36.898 --> 00:29:38.399
  • They're and so we walkedin there and looked around
  • 00:29:38.399 --> 00:29:41.803
  • and I literally, I was like,
  • 00:29:41.803 --> 00:29:42.937
  • Matt is gonnaabsolutely love this.
  • 00:29:42.937 --> 00:29:44.339
  • (laughs)This thing,
  • 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:45.707
  • there's so much metaphoricalgoodness in this.
  • 00:29:45.707 --> 00:29:47.775
  • - [Matt] Yeah.- [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:29:47.775 --> 00:29:49.210
  • - A carpenter who circlesback to help people
  • 00:29:49.210 --> 00:29:52.080
  • who want a second chance, makesomething that's practical.
  • 00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:56.284
  • We made a table at Lamon Luther,
  • 00:29:56.284 --> 00:29:59.020
  • not unlike a very famous table
  • 00:29:59.020 --> 00:30:01.422
  • around which a dozen or sodudes gathered once upon a time.
  • 00:30:01.422 --> 00:30:04.792
  • (laughs)
  • 00:30:04.792 --> 00:30:05.793
  • Something about,what was it the-
  • 00:30:05.793 --> 00:30:07.295
  • - Metaphorically speaking,it's perfect Mike Rowe.
  • 00:30:07.295 --> 00:30:09.664
  • (laughing)
  • 00:30:09.664 --> 00:30:10.865
  • I's a clip from thebrand new season
  • 00:30:10.865 --> 00:30:12.734
  • of "Somebody's GottaDo It", watch this.
  • 00:30:12.734 --> 00:30:15.236
  • - Michael Finley.
  • 00:30:15.236 --> 00:30:16.971
  • - That's correct.
  • 00:30:16.971 --> 00:30:17.805
  • - And you're Grady.
  • 00:30:17.805 --> 00:30:18.773
  • - Yes, sir.- Mike, alright.
  • 00:30:18.773 --> 00:30:20.241
  • How long have you been here?
  • 00:30:20.241 --> 00:30:21.609
  • - I've been here abouttwo and a half years.
  • 00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:23.211
  • - Yeah?- Yeah.
  • 00:30:23.211 --> 00:30:24.312
  • - Doing alright?
  • 00:30:24.312 --> 00:30:25.480
  • - Yeah, it's anawesome, awesome place.
  • 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:26.981
  • We've got really good guys here,
  • 00:30:26.981 --> 00:30:28.516
  • that the change I've seenin the lives of these guys,
  • 00:30:28.516 --> 00:30:30.585
  • it's truly amazing.
  • 00:30:30.585 --> 00:30:32.353
  • - How'd you find it?
  • 00:30:32.353 --> 00:30:33.988
  • - I was actually inaddictions program,
  • 00:30:33.988 --> 00:30:36.624
  • I was working in the wood shop,
  • 00:30:38.192 --> 00:30:39.427
  • I struggled withdrugs and alcohol,
  • 00:30:39.427 --> 00:30:41.863
  • and then decided Iwanted change my life
  • 00:30:41.863 --> 00:30:43.665
  • and it kinda brought back somememories of my grandfather.
  • 00:30:43.665 --> 00:30:46.234
  • And it was just fun puttingstuff together, you know,
  • 00:30:46.234 --> 00:30:48.536
  • taking the oldbarn wood like this
  • 00:30:48.536 --> 00:30:50.204
  • and turn it into something new.
  • 00:30:50.204 --> 00:30:52.507
  • - I get it, and where arewe in the process now?
  • 00:30:52.507 --> 00:30:55.576
  • Now that it's dry,
  • 00:30:55.576 --> 00:30:57.045
  • It's time to make sure ourtabletop gets all evened out.
  • 00:30:57.045 --> 00:30:59.847
  • - So, we're gonna startrolling the bottom through,
  • 00:30:59.847 --> 00:31:01.282
  • getting it smooth and flat.
  • 00:31:01.282 --> 00:31:02.817
  • This is called skip planing,
  • 00:31:02.817 --> 00:31:04.085
  • so we're not takingit completely down,
  • 00:31:04.085 --> 00:31:06.054
  • but we are takingthe high spots off.
  • 00:31:06.054 --> 00:31:07.889
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:31:07.889 --> 00:31:09.157
  • - We realized that ourcustomers didn't like
  • 00:31:09.157 --> 00:31:10.591
  • super wavy tables, theywant it to be wipeable.
  • 00:31:10.591 --> 00:31:13.194
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:31:13.194 --> 00:31:15.663
  • - And just like that,
  • 00:31:15.663 --> 00:31:17.165
  • I am back on the list ofapproved power tool users.
  • 00:31:17.165 --> 00:31:20.468
  • (saw roaring)
  • 00:31:20.468 --> 00:31:23.738
  • Using clamped brace as a guide,
  • 00:31:23.738 --> 00:31:25.974
  • I cut our tabletop toit's final dimension.
  • 00:31:25.974 --> 00:31:28.409
  • (saw roaring)
  • 00:31:28.409 --> 00:31:30.878
  • Look at that, my fingersnever left my hand.
  • 00:31:33.214 --> 00:31:35.917
  • (sander roaring)
  • 00:31:35.917 --> 00:31:37.418
  • A few spins around the tabletop with the finishing sander
  • 00:31:37.418 --> 00:31:40.188
  • and we are finally ready forthe piece, la résistance.
  • 00:31:40.188 --> 00:31:42.957
  • (blowtorch blasting)
  • 00:31:43.825 --> 00:31:45.026
  • The all importantbranding of the table.
  • 00:31:45.026 --> 00:31:47.662
  • Right about there?
  • 00:31:47.662 --> 00:31:48.863
  • - Perfect.
  • 00:31:48.863 --> 00:31:49.897
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:31:49.897 --> 00:31:52.934
  • Kinda wanna rock it,front back, side to side.
  • 00:31:52.934 --> 00:31:56.137
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:31:56.137 --> 00:31:57.905
  • All right,
  • 00:31:57.905 --> 00:31:58.740
  • perfect.
  • 00:32:00.875 --> 00:32:02.110
  • - See how I put the nailhole right in between.
  • 00:32:02.110 --> 00:32:04.812
  • - That's potentialright there, you got it.
  • 00:32:04.812 --> 00:32:07.181
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:32:07.181 --> 00:32:08.750
  • Finally a tool I understand.
  • 00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:11.152
  • - It is a kind ofblustery day here.
  • 00:32:11.152 --> 00:32:14.555
  • The amount of twisting,I can see peripherally
  • 00:32:15.723 --> 00:32:20.561
  • that Laurie is constantlykinda turning her head.
  • 00:32:21.996 --> 00:32:23.331
  • - You're the only onewith a sensible hairdo.
  • 00:32:23.331 --> 00:32:25.033
  • - [Matt] Yeah.- At this point.
  • 00:32:25.033 --> 00:32:26.134
  • I need a trim.
  • 00:32:26.134 --> 00:32:27.635
  • - Okay, well, we haven'thad haircuts for about seven
  • 00:32:27.635 --> 00:32:30.638
  • or eight months, have we Mike?
  • 00:32:30.638 --> 00:32:31.939
  • - Mike, I have a lot ofhairspray on right now.
  • 00:32:31.939 --> 00:32:33.508
  • - And I forgot mine.- It's the 90 mile,
  • 00:32:33.508 --> 00:32:34.776
  • an hour hairspraythat is got me good.
  • 00:32:34.776 --> 00:32:37.111
  • (laughing)
  • 00:32:37.111 --> 00:32:38.312
  • It is a beautifulblustery evening here
  • 00:32:38.312 --> 00:32:41.082
  • in Western Colorado.- I love it.
  • 00:32:41.082 --> 00:32:43.451
  • - The fire pit is actuallyputting out an amount of warmth
  • 00:32:43.451 --> 00:32:46.654
  • that is appropriateat this point,
  • 00:32:46.654 --> 00:32:49.223
  • the temperatures are dropping.
  • 00:32:49.223 --> 00:32:50.658
  • It's a beautiful kindof late summer day,
  • 00:32:50.658 --> 00:32:53.861
  • we're starting tobroach into fall.
  • 00:32:53.861 --> 00:32:56.564
  • And Mike, thank you for"Somebody's Gotta Do It".
  • 00:32:56.564 --> 00:33:00.768
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:33:00.768 --> 00:33:02.070
  • - [Matt] You show us passion.- [Laurie] Yup.
  • 00:33:02.070 --> 00:33:02.603
  • - Okay.
  • 00:33:02.603 --> 00:33:03.438
  • Talk to us a little bit
  • 00:33:04.705 --> 00:33:06.374
  • about Citizen Supply andwhy that show came about.
  • 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:12.313
  • We're talking really abouta new season of episodes
  • 00:33:13.748 --> 00:33:17.718
  • that are gonna beairing here on TBN.
  • 00:33:17.718 --> 00:33:19.821
  • Thank you for comingout to Western Colorado,
  • 00:33:19.821 --> 00:33:22.990
  • you look amazing.
  • 00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:24.058
  • - I feel pretty.
  • 00:33:24.058 --> 00:33:24.959
  • (laughs)
  • 00:33:24.959 --> 00:33:25.893
  • - It's, the hair's blowing,
  • 00:33:25.893 --> 00:33:27.562
  • you have a, you know,kind of a thing going on.
  • 00:33:27.562 --> 00:33:30.798
  • - A ruddy glow?
  • 00:33:30.798 --> 00:33:31.766
  • - Yeah.(laughs)
  • 00:33:31.766 --> 00:33:33.501
  • Yeah.- Yes.
  • 00:33:33.501 --> 00:33:34.535
  • - Yes.
  • 00:33:34.535 --> 00:33:36.037
  • - You do, I don't want oneof those but it glows good.
  • 00:33:36.037 --> 00:33:39.107
  • - It's just thehigh blood pressure.
  • 00:33:39.107 --> 00:33:40.541
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:33:40.541 --> 00:33:41.409
  • (laughs)
  • 00:33:41.409 --> 00:33:42.710
  • - Citizen Supply, again,
  • 00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:45.246
  • so much of whathappens on the show
  • 00:33:45.246 --> 00:33:48.850
  • that is personally rewardingand good is accidental
  • 00:33:48.850 --> 00:33:53.855
  • or serendipitous.
  • 00:33:54.589 --> 00:33:55.556
  • - [Matt] Yeah.- You know?
  • 00:33:55.556 --> 00:33:56.724
  • With that lastclip, Lamon Luther,
  • 00:33:56.724 --> 00:33:59.594
  • we didn't go to acarpentry shop by accident.
  • 00:33:59.594 --> 00:34:03.030
  • We knew that was at least there,
  • 00:34:03.030 --> 00:34:05.533
  • but we didn't know what they did
  • 00:34:05.533 --> 00:34:07.034
  • and we didn't quite know howit was all gonna line up,
  • 00:34:07.034 --> 00:34:09.003
  • we were doing other thingsin the course of the day.
  • 00:34:09.003 --> 00:34:11.272
  • What happened at Citizen Supply,
  • 00:34:11.272 --> 00:34:13.574
  • happened during lunch,
  • 00:34:13.574 --> 00:34:15.276
  • in a mall outside ofAtlanta, somewhere.
  • 00:34:15.276 --> 00:34:18.679
  • I sat down and thisguy walked up to me
  • 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.716
  • and he said, "MikeRowe", I said, "Ah-huh?"
  • 00:34:21.716 --> 00:34:24.652
  • He said, "Can Igive you something?"
  • 00:34:24.652 --> 00:34:27.288
  • I said, "I don't know,is this gonna be weird,
  • 00:34:27.288 --> 00:34:29.123
  • "what do you have?"
  • 00:34:29.123 --> 00:34:30.224
  • (Laughs)
  • 00:34:30.224 --> 00:34:31.425
  • People walk up to youwhen you're eating
  • 00:34:31.425 --> 00:34:32.827
  • and they ask if theycan give you something,
  • 00:34:32.827 --> 00:34:34.929
  • you just don't know.
  • 00:34:34.929 --> 00:34:36.397
  • But I said, "Well, yeahsure, I'm open to that."
  • 00:34:36.397 --> 00:34:38.833
  • And he reaches his pocketand he pulls out a wallet,
  • 00:34:38.833 --> 00:34:41.903
  • a beautiful leather,
  • 00:34:41.903 --> 00:34:43.538
  • handcrafted wallet,- [Laurie] Oh.
  • 00:34:43.538 --> 00:34:45.506
  • - That he had made abouta half hour earlier.
  • 00:34:45.506 --> 00:34:48.743
  • And he said I justwanna give you this
  • 00:34:49.911 --> 00:34:51.412
  • because I'm a tradesmanand my dad is a tradesman
  • 00:34:51.412 --> 00:34:55.249
  • and my whole family allour lives, we make things.
  • 00:34:55.249 --> 00:34:58.753
  • - [Laurie] Yes.- We take raw materials
  • 00:34:58.753 --> 00:35:01.289
  • and we try, and fashionthem into something useful.
  • 00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:04.659
  • And right now I'mworking in leather
  • 00:35:04.659 --> 00:35:06.961
  • and I'd be honored if youwould take this as a gift.
  • 00:35:06.961 --> 00:35:09.630
  • So, I said, no, I checked it,
  • 00:35:09.630 --> 00:35:11.265
  • there was no money inside,which was disappointing.
  • 00:35:11.265 --> 00:35:13.768
  • (laughs)Disappointing,
  • 00:35:13.768 --> 00:35:14.969
  • but I took the wallet
  • 00:35:15.937 --> 00:35:17.905
  • and I did the onlything I, you know,
  • 00:35:17.905 --> 00:35:20.508
  • It was like, I was like thelittle drummer boy, right?
  • 00:35:20.508 --> 00:35:22.977
  • I had no gift to bring,
  • 00:35:22.977 --> 00:35:24.312
  • I don't, what amI gonna give him?
  • 00:35:24.312 --> 00:35:26.814
  • And then I lookaround and I realize,
  • 00:35:26.814 --> 00:35:28.216
  • well, I got a crew here,
  • 00:35:28.216 --> 00:35:29.884
  • I got three cameras.
  • 00:35:29.884 --> 00:35:31.118
  • I'm like, so wheredo you do your,
  • 00:35:31.118 --> 00:35:33.788
  • where did you make this?
  • 00:35:33.788 --> 00:35:35.022
  • He said, "Upstairs atthe end of the mall,
  • 00:35:35.022 --> 00:35:36.991
  • "a little place calledCitizen Supply."
  • 00:35:36.991 --> 00:35:39.327
  • And I said, "Let's go."
  • 00:35:39.327 --> 00:35:40.828
  • So the crew followsme, I follow the guy
  • 00:35:40.828 --> 00:35:44.532
  • and we spend the nextthree hours making wallets.
  • 00:35:44.532 --> 00:35:49.136
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:35:49.136 --> 00:35:50.605
  • - After threading twoneedles on different ends
  • 00:35:50.605 --> 00:35:52.073
  • of the same thread, Carlgives a quick demonstration
  • 00:35:52.073 --> 00:35:55.876
  • before offering me anotherchance to impale myself.
  • 00:35:55.876 --> 00:35:58.546
  • And there's a lot of sharpobjects swinging around here.
  • 00:35:58.546 --> 00:36:00.381
  • - Yeah, yeah, you know,
  • 00:36:00.381 --> 00:36:02.416
  • it gets hairy andyou're not really sure
  • 00:36:02.416 --> 00:36:03.951
  • where the sharpobjects are going.
  • 00:36:03.951 --> 00:36:05.820
  • - It's the kinda mistakeyou only make once.
  • 00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:07.722
  • - Yeah, or hundreds of times.
  • 00:36:07.722 --> 00:36:10.591
  • - Or hundreds, manyhundreds of times.
  • 00:36:10.591 --> 00:36:13.027
  • Goes through like, then this.
  • 00:36:13.027 --> 00:36:13.861
  • - Then same hole.
  • 00:36:13.861 --> 00:36:15.663
  • - Same hole, this way right?
  • 00:36:15.663 --> 00:36:16.797
  • - Yep.- What's going on, you think,
  • 00:36:16.797 --> 00:36:18.065
  • with craftsmanship in America.
  • 00:36:18.065 --> 00:36:20.701
  • - I think it'sback on their ass.
  • 00:36:21.836 --> 00:36:23.704
  • You know, I think peopleare valuing things made by,
  • 00:36:23.704 --> 00:36:27.541
  • by people still, you know.
  • 00:36:27.541 --> 00:36:29.644
  • - That they can see.
  • 00:36:29.644 --> 00:36:30.711
  • - Yeah, knowing that their,
  • 00:36:30.711 --> 00:36:32.346
  • that their thingscome from somewhere
  • 00:36:32.346 --> 00:36:34.382
  • and somebody, iskind of valuable.
  • 00:36:34.382 --> 00:36:36.417
  • - Did you go to school?
  • 00:36:36.417 --> 00:36:37.918
  • - I did, graduated fromValdosta State University.
  • 00:36:37.918 --> 00:36:41.155
  • - What you major in?
  • 00:36:41.155 --> 00:36:42.590
  • - Criminal justice.
  • 00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:43.724
  • - So naturally you'remaking wallets.
  • 00:36:45.493 --> 00:36:46.994
  • - Oh, yeah, absolutely.
  • 00:36:46.994 --> 00:36:48.162
  • Naturally I'mselling wallets too.
  • 00:36:48.162 --> 00:36:49.530
  • (laughs)
  • 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:50.798
  • - But your not stealing wallets.
  • 00:36:50.798 --> 00:36:51.732
  • - Nope, nope, nope.
  • 00:36:51.732 --> 00:36:53.534
  • - So that's interesting,
  • 00:36:53.534 --> 00:36:54.468
  • you major in criminal justice.
  • 00:36:54.468 --> 00:36:56.137
  • - Yup.- You become a bartender.
  • 00:36:56.137 --> 00:36:57.838
  • - Yup.- And then you decide
  • 00:36:57.838 --> 00:36:59.140
  • maybe I'll just makestuff with my hands.
  • 00:36:59.140 --> 00:37:01.275
  • - Now I'm shooting aTV show with Mike Rowe.
  • 00:37:01.275 --> 00:37:03.377
  • - Weird, old world, isn't it.
  • 00:37:04.245 --> 00:37:05.546
  • (laughs)
  • 00:37:05.546 --> 00:37:06.781
  • - All right, cool, sowe've got a stitch.
  • 00:37:06.781 --> 00:37:08.582
  • - Yeah.- Which, it looks really good.
  • 00:37:08.582 --> 00:37:10.918
  • - Yeah, if he couldtake some of the shock
  • 00:37:10.918 --> 00:37:12.453
  • and awe out of your voice, itsounds more like a compliment.
  • 00:37:12.453 --> 00:37:13.254
  • - It looks really good.
  • 00:37:13.254 --> 00:37:14.221
  • (laughs)
  • 00:37:14.221 --> 00:37:15.156
  • So now, we're almost ready to,
  • 00:37:15.156 --> 00:37:16.991
  • to put it all together but wegot to punch all the holes.
  • 00:37:16.991 --> 00:37:19.960
  • - What do you sell this for?
  • 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:21.595
  • - A 100.
  • 00:37:21.595 --> 00:37:22.797
  • - You gave me a $100wallet, just walking by.
  • 00:37:22.797 --> 00:37:24.298
  • - Yeah man.
  • 00:37:24.298 --> 00:37:25.700
  • You gave me and mybrother so much more
  • 00:37:25.700 --> 00:37:27.301
  • when we were growing up.
  • 00:37:27.301 --> 00:37:29.036
  • - Well, I hope we'regiving it back now.
  • 00:37:29.036 --> 00:37:30.571
  • (laughs)
  • 00:37:30.571 --> 00:37:31.739
  • Man, I hope thisthing gets on the air.
  • 00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:33.240
  • (laughs)
  • 00:37:33.240 --> 00:37:34.308
  • I really do.
  • 00:37:34.308 --> 00:37:35.843
  • (laughs)
  • 00:37:35.843 --> 00:37:37.044
  • And then there's thisother guy in there
  • 00:37:37.044 --> 00:37:38.913
  • and he's making rings.
  • 00:37:38.913 --> 00:37:40.781
  • He's making jewelry,
  • 00:37:40.781 --> 00:37:42.650
  • but he's making these ringsout of like Indian head nickles
  • 00:37:42.650 --> 00:37:47.655
  • and old.- [Laurie] Oh, wow.
  • 00:37:48.656 --> 00:37:49.890
  • - Like, hundredyear old quarters
  • 00:37:49.890 --> 00:37:51.058
  • and he flattens them out,
  • 00:37:51.058 --> 00:37:52.326
  • and he runs themthrough this press.
  • 00:37:52.326 --> 00:37:54.261
  • And he shapes them, and hefires them, and he hammers them,
  • 00:37:54.261 --> 00:37:56.997
  • and his whole life, is rings.
  • 00:37:56.997 --> 00:37:58.866
  • So I'm like, Oh, well, whywould we leave, the guys,
  • 00:37:58.866 --> 00:38:01.335
  • if I make one, can I have it?
  • 00:38:02.236 --> 00:38:03.404
  • He said, "Sure."
  • 00:38:03.404 --> 00:38:04.305
  • So I made a ring,
  • 00:38:04.305 --> 00:38:05.639
  • it was the day I wentto get a sandwich
  • 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.975
  • and wound up with a wallet,
  • 00:38:07.975 --> 00:38:09.410
  • and a ring and two terrificstories about two men,
  • 00:38:09.410 --> 00:38:13.147
  • I had no intentionof ever meeting,
  • 00:38:13.147 --> 00:38:16.450
  • applying their tradein a little slice
  • 00:38:16.450 --> 00:38:20.354
  • of commerce calledCitizen Supply.
  • 00:38:20.354 --> 00:38:22.790
  • - From the brand newseason, right here,
  • 00:38:22.790 --> 00:38:25.426
  • "Somebody's GottaDo It", watch this.
  • 00:38:25.426 --> 00:38:27.561
  • - Tell them what's going on.
  • 00:38:27.561 --> 00:38:28.629
  • - Ah, I'm shooting a TV show.
  • 00:38:28.629 --> 00:38:30.064
  • - But with who.
  • 00:38:30.064 --> 00:38:31.132
  • - Ah, with Mike Rowe.
  • 00:38:31.132 --> 00:38:33.401
  • - That's right.
  • 00:38:33.401 --> 00:38:34.402
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:38:34.402 --> 00:38:35.870
  • - [Man] All right, you ready?
  • 00:38:35.870 --> 00:38:36.804
  • - I have so many questions
  • 00:38:36.804 --> 00:38:38.205
  • and they all start withwhat's this thing do.
  • 00:38:38.205 --> 00:38:40.241
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:38:40.241 --> 00:38:42.309
  • That's right, I'mdriving a tank.
  • 00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:43.944
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:38:43.944 --> 00:38:46.147
  • (window shatters)
  • 00:38:46.147 --> 00:38:47.047
  • (laughing)
  • 00:38:47.047 --> 00:38:47.882
  • (tank engine roaring)
  • 00:38:47.882 --> 00:38:49.283
  • This is a tool that actually
  • 00:38:49.283 --> 00:38:50.584
  • tells you to wearsafety goggles.
  • 00:38:50.584 --> 00:38:52.686
  • (tool hammering)
  • 00:38:52.686 --> 00:38:53.921
  • It's troubling, to bedefeated by a screw.
  • 00:38:53.921 --> 00:38:55.790
  • (screw dings)
  • 00:38:55.790 --> 00:38:57.224
  • Darn it.
  • 00:38:57.224 --> 00:38:58.058
  • - [Man] They have this one shot
  • 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.694
  • and then I'll never ask again
  • 00:39:00.694 --> 00:39:01.929
  • because this is sohard to believe.
  • 00:39:01.929 --> 00:39:04.098
  • - You wanna eat this piece.
  • 00:39:04.098 --> 00:39:06.734
  • (drum cymbal bangs)
  • 00:39:06.734 --> 00:39:07.568
  • I'm eating that piece.
  • 00:39:07.568 --> 00:39:08.836
  • - But why'd youtease me with it?
  • 00:39:08.836 --> 00:39:10.304
  • So you put the iPad.
  • 00:39:10.304 --> 00:39:11.872
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:39:11.872 --> 00:39:13.107
  • - In the top andthat's the speaker.
  • 00:39:13.107 --> 00:39:14.975
  • Luke I'm your father.
  • 00:39:14.975 --> 00:39:17.178
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:39:17.178 --> 00:39:18.679
  • There can't be acamera on that thing,
  • 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:20.548
  • that's pretty good.
  • 00:39:20.548 --> 00:39:22.082
  • Was that the goal today,for me to fly this thing,
  • 00:39:22.082 --> 00:39:23.517
  • I would just come with a watch.
  • 00:39:23.517 --> 00:39:25.052
  • Not useful, but I am here.
  • 00:39:27.054 --> 00:39:28.522
  • One ring to rule them all.
  • 00:39:28.522 --> 00:39:29.824
  • - Yeah.- One ring to find them.
  • 00:39:29.824 --> 00:39:31.792
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:39:31.792 --> 00:39:33.327
  • Hey.
  • 00:39:33.327 --> 00:39:34.495
  • - [Both] Oh.
  • 00:39:34.495 --> 00:39:35.329
  • (shredder roaring)
  • 00:39:35.329 --> 00:39:36.697
  • - [Both] Oh.
  • 00:39:36.697 --> 00:39:38.032
  • - Where do you standon the rinse, repeat.
  • 00:39:38.032 --> 00:39:40.835
  • - We have it on the bottle.
  • 00:39:40.835 --> 00:39:42.102
  • - Do you believe thatthat's the best advice
  • 00:39:42.102 --> 00:39:43.637
  • you can give your customer.
  • 00:39:43.637 --> 00:39:44.972
  • - Well, they run out quicker.
  • 00:39:44.972 --> 00:39:46.941
  • (laughs)
  • 00:39:46.941 --> 00:39:47.975
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:39:47.975 --> 00:39:50.578
  • - Mike, if I say the word,drones and tanks to you,
  • 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.751
  • why did I say theword, drones and tanks?
  • 00:39:57.751 --> 00:40:01.322
  • - Well, drones andtanks each make a,
  • 00:40:01.322 --> 00:40:03.157
  • an appearance in this season
  • 00:40:03.157 --> 00:40:05.359
  • but they also each made anappearance in, in my life.
  • 00:40:06.827 --> 00:40:09.129
  • Drones in particular,
  • 00:40:09.129 --> 00:40:10.698
  • I have a love, haterelationship with drones.
  • 00:40:10.698 --> 00:40:13.467
  • I love them because whenyou use them in the show,
  • 00:40:13.467 --> 00:40:15.503
  • you can get some amazing shots.
  • 00:40:15.503 --> 00:40:17.037
  • As you know, that inthe past would require
  • 00:40:17.037 --> 00:40:19.740
  • jet fuel, helicopters,insurance policies
  • 00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:21.942
  • and everything else.
  • 00:40:21.942 --> 00:40:22.943
  • I hate them because every now
  • 00:40:22.943 --> 00:40:25.579
  • and then one shows upoutside my bedroom window,
  • 00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:27.948
  • and hovers there with a camera.
  • 00:40:27.948 --> 00:40:29.283
  • (laughs)
  • 00:40:29.283 --> 00:40:30.618
  • And this happened,this happened to me.
  • 00:40:30.618 --> 00:40:34.188
  • - Sorry, I won't everdo that again, yeah.
  • 00:40:34.188 --> 00:40:36.924
  • - Well it's, I was, I mean,I swear this is a true story.
  • 00:40:36.924 --> 00:40:40.661
  • I'm sound asleepand I'm dreaming
  • 00:40:40.661 --> 00:40:44.532
  • and in my dreams, I'mbeing chased by bumblebees.
  • 00:40:44.532 --> 00:40:48.135
  • And you ever like,sometimes you're in a dream
  • 00:40:48.135 --> 00:40:50.471
  • and the phone rings and thephone's ringing in the dream
  • 00:40:50.471 --> 00:40:52.706
  • but then when you wake up, thephones really ringing, right?
  • 00:40:52.706 --> 00:40:55.442
  • - Yes.- Well, I wake up and the bees
  • 00:40:55.442 --> 00:40:58.212
  • that were chasing me in thedream are in the bedroom,
  • 00:40:58.212 --> 00:41:01.982
  • except they're not reallybees, but that's still buzzing.
  • 00:41:01.982 --> 00:41:04.585
  • And I'm like, whatis the buzzing?
  • 00:41:04.585 --> 00:41:06.086
  • And I got out of bed, in the,
  • 00:41:06.086 --> 00:41:09.123
  • how shall we say,the altogether.
  • 00:41:09.123 --> 00:41:10.858
  • And I pull the curtains aside
  • 00:41:12.092 --> 00:41:14.995
  • and there's a dronelike four feet from me
  • 00:41:14.995 --> 00:41:17.798
  • with a camera hanging from it.
  • 00:41:17.798 --> 00:41:19.667
  • So I felt like this wasan invasion of my privacy.
  • 00:41:19.667 --> 00:41:22.403
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.- So I ran to the bed
  • 00:41:22.403 --> 00:41:24.471
  • and removed a legallyregistered firearm underneath,
  • 00:41:24.471 --> 00:41:29.176
  • a Mossberg 500, it'sa shotgun, you know.
  • 00:41:29.176 --> 00:41:32.546
  • - Somebody's gotta do it.
  • 00:41:32.546 --> 00:41:34.415
  • - Click, click,one in the chamber.
  • 00:41:34.415 --> 00:41:35.983
  • So I run down the stairs.
  • 00:41:35.983 --> 00:41:38.552
  • (laughing)
  • 00:41:38.552 --> 00:41:39.787
  • I run down the stairs,
  • 00:41:39.787 --> 00:41:41.255
  • I run out onto the deckand I look up at the drone.
  • 00:41:41.255 --> 00:41:43.657
  • And I think, you know what,never in the history of,
  • 00:41:43.657 --> 00:41:46.327
  • of shotguns has there beena more justifiable shooting.
  • 00:41:46.327 --> 00:41:49.163
  • And so I raised the gun
  • 00:41:49.163 --> 00:41:50.564
  • and I get the drone in my sites,
  • 00:41:50.564 --> 00:41:52.366
  • and the camera tilts down.
  • 00:41:52.366 --> 00:41:54.568
  • And then I realized beinga man of some experience
  • 00:41:54.568 --> 00:41:56.971
  • in television that a camerais pointing directly at me,
  • 00:41:56.971 --> 00:42:00.941
  • I don't have any clothes on,
  • 00:42:00.941 --> 00:42:02.610
  • and I'm holding a weapon inthe outskirts of San Francisco.
  • 00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:07.314
  • This is not goingto end well, okay.
  • 00:42:07.314 --> 00:42:10.117
  • And so, and then I think well,
  • 00:42:10.117 --> 00:42:12.152
  • who's ever on the other endof this camera is watching me
  • 00:42:12.152 --> 00:42:16.457
  • and going, that naked dudelooks like the "Dirty Jobs" guy.
  • 00:42:16.457 --> 00:42:20.794
  • And maybe that thatfootage is being recorded,
  • 00:42:20.794 --> 00:42:23.497
  • and then I thought, wellright, if I pull the trigger,
  • 00:42:23.497 --> 00:42:27.201
  • Oh, this can end badly.
  • 00:42:27.201 --> 00:42:28.335
  • The the sheriff will come
  • 00:42:28.335 --> 00:42:29.770
  • and this is not aconversation you want to have
  • 00:42:29.770 --> 00:42:31.839
  • with law enforcementin San Francisco
  • 00:42:31.839 --> 00:42:34.041
  • when you don't haveany clothes on,
  • 00:42:34.041 --> 00:42:35.743
  • and you're holding a weapon.
  • 00:42:35.743 --> 00:42:37.211
  • So anyway, ever since that day
  • 00:42:37.211 --> 00:42:39.947
  • I've really wanted to shoota drone out of the sky.
  • 00:42:39.947 --> 00:42:43.017
  • And on "Somebody'sGotta Do It" this year,
  • 00:42:43.017 --> 00:42:45.552
  • I met some guys whoare, who race drones.
  • 00:42:45.552 --> 00:42:48.689
  • Like this is what they do,
  • 00:42:48.689 --> 00:42:49.823
  • they're so passionateabout drones.
  • 00:42:49.823 --> 00:42:51.892
  • So I wanted to go meet them
  • 00:42:51.892 --> 00:42:53.460
  • and maybe shootsome of their toys.
  • 00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:54.595
  • - [Laurie] Skeet shooting.
  • 00:42:54.595 --> 00:42:55.796
  • - It was like skeetshooting, right.
  • 00:42:55.796 --> 00:42:57.564
  • So anyway, they didn'tlet me shoot one
  • 00:42:57.564 --> 00:42:59.800
  • but I chased onewith a two by four
  • 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:01.835
  • and took it out of the sky,
  • 00:43:01.835 --> 00:43:03.837
  • which was terrific fun.
  • 00:43:03.837 --> 00:43:05.572
  • Regarding tanks,
  • 00:43:05.572 --> 00:43:07.074
  • I met a guy, a former Marinewho opened up a business.
  • 00:43:07.074 --> 00:43:11.045
  • He procured some tanksfrom overseas somewhere
  • 00:43:11.045 --> 00:43:15.883
  • and then he startedbuying old cars,
  • 00:43:15.883 --> 00:43:18.152
  • and he put them outin his giant backyard.
  • 00:43:18.152 --> 00:43:20.587
  • And now he charges people money,
  • 00:43:20.587 --> 00:43:22.089
  • and let's them drivetanks to crush cars,
  • 00:43:22.089 --> 00:43:25.526
  • it's terrific for stress.
  • 00:43:25.526 --> 00:43:27.561
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:43:27.561 --> 00:43:29.396
  • After spending themorning failing to connect
  • 00:43:29.396 --> 00:43:31.231
  • with my innerchild on the drone.
  • 00:43:31.231 --> 00:43:33.267
  • and accuratelynamed Tank Town USA
  • 00:43:38.305 --> 00:43:41.341
  • in Rural Georgia,
  • 00:43:41.341 --> 00:43:42.810
  • where owner Todd Liebross
  • 00:43:42.810 --> 00:43:44.678
  • is fulfilling hissaintly calling
  • 00:43:44.678 --> 00:43:46.947
  • of helping his fellow men
  • 00:43:46.947 --> 00:43:48.348
  • take out their frustrations
  • 00:43:48.348 --> 00:43:50.317
  • by crushing cars with tanks.
  • 00:43:50.317 --> 00:43:52.219
  • (grinding sound)
  • 00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:53.153
  • - Yeah, its a little more gas,
  • 00:43:53.153 --> 00:43:54.621
  • now start going left.
  • 00:43:54.621 --> 00:43:55.622
  • Its gonna
  • 00:43:55.622 --> 00:43:56.457
  • (indistinctive)
  • 00:43:56.457 --> 00:43:57.691
  • - Yeah?
  • 00:43:57.691 --> 00:43:58.625
  • (indistinctive)
  • 00:43:58.625 --> 00:43:59.860
  • - Give it some moregas. Start going left.
  • 00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:02.329
  • (indistinctive)
  • 00:44:02.329 --> 00:44:03.263
  • Kind of wide now, remember.
  • 00:44:03.263 --> 00:44:04.631
  • - After a few lapsaround the compound,
  • 00:44:04.631 --> 00:44:06.533
  • getting my feet wet as it were,
  • 00:44:06.533 --> 00:44:08.535
  • I'm slowly becomingone with the machine
  • 00:44:08.535 --> 00:44:11.004
  • singularity, Ibelieve they call it
  • 00:44:11.004 --> 00:44:13.440
  • cue the dramatic music.
  • 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.542
  • - No more gas we'dhave swing down right
  • 00:44:15.542 --> 00:44:17.778
  • then straight backthrough this water
  • 00:44:19.012 --> 00:44:20.647
  • back between those two sets
  • 00:44:20.647 --> 00:44:22.349
  • (indistinctive)
  • 00:44:22.349 --> 00:44:24.418
  • (roaring sound)
  • 00:44:24.418 --> 00:44:26.086
  • - In case you're wondering
  • 00:44:26.086 --> 00:44:27.955
  • yeah, it really isas fun as it looks.
  • 00:44:27.955 --> 00:44:30.224
  • But fun is not thereason we're here.
  • 00:44:30.224 --> 00:44:32.192
  • Oh no, we're herefor satisfaction.
  • 00:44:32.192 --> 00:44:34.528
  • (dramatic music)
  • 00:44:34.528 --> 00:44:37.297
  • - Yeah to the right.
  • 00:44:37.297 --> 00:44:38.766
  • (dramatic music)
  • 00:44:38.766 --> 00:44:39.666
  • All right, that's good.
  • 00:44:39.666 --> 00:44:41.034
  • (indistinctive)
  • 00:44:41.034 --> 00:44:42.903
  • (dramatic music)
  • 00:44:42.903 --> 00:44:45.639
  • (crackling sound)
  • 00:44:52.212 --> 00:44:53.580
  • (laughing)
  • 00:44:53.580 --> 00:44:55.816
  • (roaring sound)
  • 00:44:57.584 --> 00:45:00.587
  • - Probably good.
  • 00:45:00.587 --> 00:45:01.588
  • - No, we did great.
  • 00:45:01.588 --> 00:45:02.523
  • We ripped off the back tailgate.
  • 00:45:02.523 --> 00:45:05.092
  • - Oh, we can do better.
  • 00:45:05.092 --> 00:45:06.226
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:45:07.227 --> 00:45:08.695
  • - Okay, that wasmore than satisfying.
  • 00:45:08.695 --> 00:45:11.331
  • That was actually fun.
  • 00:45:11.331 --> 00:45:12.633
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:45:14.001 --> 00:45:16.570
  • (crackling sound)
  • 00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:23.777
  • - Mike Rowe, thankyou for new episodes
  • 00:45:23.777 --> 00:45:26.747
  • for somebody who's got to do it
  • 00:45:26.747 --> 00:45:28.115
  • right here on TBN
  • 00:45:28.115 --> 00:45:29.616
  • we've been kind of talkingabout that for a bit.
  • 00:45:29.616 --> 00:45:31.785
  • What I wanna knowkind of in conclusion
  • 00:45:31.785 --> 00:45:35.355
  • is more of your take on this.
  • 00:45:35.355 --> 00:45:40.360
  • You've given certainlevels it is of advice,
  • 00:45:41.495 --> 00:45:43.597
  • I think one of the key points
  • 00:45:43.597 --> 00:45:45.666
  • that we've hit on todayis some in society
  • 00:45:45.666 --> 00:45:49.203
  • wanna put us inthese, binary boxes
  • 00:45:49.203 --> 00:45:52.973
  • that you're either this or that.
  • 00:45:52.973 --> 00:45:55.275
  • - Prison of two ideas.
  • 00:45:55.275 --> 00:45:56.476
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:45:56.476 --> 00:45:57.744
  • - Prison of two ideas,sometimes you're a guy
  • 00:45:57.744 --> 00:45:59.546
  • on your deck nakedwith a shotgun.
  • 00:45:59.546 --> 00:46:01.515
  • (laughing)
  • 00:46:01.515 --> 00:46:02.516
  • Right? Sometimesyou're in a tank
  • 00:46:02.516 --> 00:46:04.318
  • run it over old jalopies.
  • 00:46:04.318 --> 00:46:06.320
  • Sometimes you'remaking furniture.
  • 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.088
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:46:08.088 --> 00:46:08.922
  • - Out of discarded wood,
  • 00:46:08.922 --> 00:46:10.190
  • with men lookingfor a second chance.
  • 00:46:10.190 --> 00:46:12.025
  • But this is,
  • 00:46:12.025 --> 00:46:12.826
  • this is our life,in relative terms,
  • 00:46:14.528 --> 00:46:17.130
  • this is what we get.
  • 00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:18.065
  • We play the cards we have
  • 00:46:18.065 --> 00:46:19.933
  • and we do the best day over day,
  • 00:46:19.933 --> 00:46:22.135
  • week over week.- All right,
  • 00:46:22.135 --> 00:46:23.370
  • you articulate things.
  • 00:46:23.370 --> 00:46:25.172
  • Articulate the waymicromanaged this season,
  • 00:46:25.172 --> 00:46:30.143
  • that somewhat we're still
  • 00:46:31.245 --> 00:46:32.713
  • in the political crazinessthe racial tensions
  • 00:46:32.713 --> 00:46:37.618
  • that have gone toanother level and this,
  • 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.223
  • RNA virus that hijackeda lot of people's cells
  • 00:46:43.223 --> 00:46:46.894
  • and made them sick,
  • 00:46:46.894 --> 00:46:48.161
  • and many people havehad tragic outcomes,
  • 00:46:48.161 --> 00:46:51.798
  • I wanna know how you did it.
  • 00:46:51.798 --> 00:46:53.500
  • - Well, you actually answered it
  • 00:46:54.401 --> 00:46:55.669
  • in a way that wasincredibly clever
  • 00:46:55.669 --> 00:46:57.971
  • even if it wasaccidental moments ago,
  • 00:46:57.971 --> 00:46:59.673
  • you said, how doyou micromanage it?
  • 00:46:59.673 --> 00:47:02.276
  • And that's how you do it.
  • 00:47:02.276 --> 00:47:03.510
  • You micromanageit, not Mike Rowe,
  • 00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:06.513
  • but you, take care ofyour own stuff, right?
  • 00:47:06.513 --> 00:47:11.518
  • I don't have muchoriginal advice.
  • 00:47:12.686 --> 00:47:13.453
  • And when I do,
  • 00:47:13.453 --> 00:47:14.388
  • I typically keep it to myself
  • 00:47:14.388 --> 00:47:16.690
  • - And be patentedand make money on it.
  • 00:47:16.690 --> 00:47:18.759
  • (laughing)
  • 00:47:18.759 --> 00:47:19.693
  • Well, look, cookie-cutter advice
  • 00:47:19.693 --> 00:47:21.161
  • is a dangerous thingbecause you never
  • 00:47:21.161 --> 00:47:22.829
  • really know who's listening.
  • 00:47:22.829 --> 00:47:23.664
  • - Right.- Right?
  • 00:47:23.664 --> 00:47:24.898
  • And there are times likethere might be people
  • 00:47:24.898 --> 00:47:26.533
  • listening right nowwho need to be told,
  • 00:47:26.533 --> 00:47:29.403
  • stay the course.
  • 00:47:30.737 --> 00:47:32.272
  • Be persistent, don't quit.
  • 00:47:32.272 --> 00:47:34.274
  • But staying the coursereally only makes sense
  • 00:47:35.442 --> 00:47:37.477
  • if you're going inthe right direction.
  • 00:47:37.477 --> 00:47:39.713
  • And I don't know whatdirection they're headed in
  • 00:47:39.713 --> 00:47:41.682
  • I'm not sure who'swhere at any given time.
  • 00:47:41.682 --> 00:47:43.817
  • So I'm suspicious ofbromides and platitudes
  • 00:47:43.817 --> 00:47:47.287
  • and tropes because they always
  • 00:47:47.287 --> 00:47:50.991
  • have unintended consequences.
  • 00:47:50.991 --> 00:47:52.592
  • But, there are a fewthings that I thought of
  • 00:47:52.592 --> 00:47:56.129
  • as you were askingme that question
  • 00:47:56.129 --> 00:47:57.664
  • and going through thelast couple of months.
  • 00:47:57.664 --> 00:47:59.700
  • That're truly true.
  • 00:47:59.700 --> 00:48:03.270
  • One thing is you seethe Disney world,
  • 00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:05.839
  • on the rides, youmust be this tall
  • 00:48:07.641 --> 00:48:10.911
  • to get on the ride, right?
  • 00:48:10.911 --> 00:48:12.946
  • If you're going throughthe coronavirus,
  • 00:48:14.081 --> 00:48:16.717
  • you are this tall,you are on the ride,
  • 00:48:16.717 --> 00:48:20.020
  • and the ride isgoing to do this.
  • 00:48:20.020 --> 00:48:22.122
  • And it's okay that it'sokay to throw up a little
  • 00:48:22.122 --> 00:48:24.958
  • once in a while, youget some on your shoes
  • 00:48:24.958 --> 00:48:26.727
  • it washes off. It'sokay to be freaked out
  • 00:48:26.727 --> 00:48:29.229
  • when that roller coastergoes around the bend.
  • 00:48:29.229 --> 00:48:31.965
  • We're on the ride of alifetime and it's scary,
  • 00:48:31.965 --> 00:48:36.103
  • but we are this talland we're on it.
  • 00:48:36.103 --> 00:48:39.639
  • So strap in, lookaround, take some comfort
  • 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.011
  • that you're not aloneand get through the ride.
  • 00:48:44.011 --> 00:48:48.115
  • Two, on a plane
  • 00:48:48.115 --> 00:48:50.484
  • they tell you one of thegreat truths in life.
  • 00:48:51.685 --> 00:48:54.654
  • When things get a littlehinky, lose pressure,
  • 00:48:54.654 --> 00:48:58.425
  • things go wrong,
  • 00:48:58.425 --> 00:49:00.260
  • if those oxygen masks come down,
  • 00:49:00.260 --> 00:49:03.663
  • what do you do?
  • 00:49:03.663 --> 00:49:06.466
  • You put it on yourself first.
  • 00:49:06.466 --> 00:49:09.202
  • That sounds selfish,but it's not,
  • 00:49:10.303 --> 00:49:13.106
  • because if you don'tmicromanage the situation,
  • 00:49:13.106 --> 00:49:16.143
  • if you're not tallenough to be on the ride
  • 00:49:16.143 --> 00:49:18.478
  • and if you don't takecare of yourself first,
  • 00:49:18.478 --> 00:49:20.280
  • you are of no use at all
  • 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.549
  • to the person next to you,
  • 00:49:22.549 --> 00:49:24.317
  • the person in front of you
  • 00:49:24.317 --> 00:49:25.952
  • or the person behind you.
  • 00:49:25.952 --> 00:49:28.021
  • So that's a long way, I guess,
  • 00:49:28.021 --> 00:49:30.190
  • of saying we are in atricky, unprecedented time.
  • 00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:34.194
  • Our neighbors needus more than ever,
  • 00:49:34.194 --> 00:49:37.364
  • but we need us more than ever.
  • 00:49:37.364 --> 00:49:40.600
  • We need to understandwhoever it is we are.
  • 00:49:40.600 --> 00:49:45.439
  • We need to be certain of that.
  • 00:49:45.439 --> 00:49:47.707
  • I say to Mary, mypartner all the time
  • 00:49:49.076 --> 00:49:52.679
  • when I get lost in my career,
  • 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.482
  • it's when I forgetwho my audience is.
  • 00:49:55.482 --> 00:49:57.717
  • And when you get lost in life,
  • 00:49:58.819 --> 00:49:59.886
  • it's you forget who you are.
  • 00:49:59.886 --> 00:50:02.055
  • And these kinds of situations
  • 00:50:02.055 --> 00:50:03.690
  • will make you,they'll challenge you.
  • 00:50:03.690 --> 00:50:06.526
  • They'll clarify it.
  • 00:50:06.526 --> 00:50:08.095
  • So don't macromanage untilyou first micromanage.
  • 00:50:08.095 --> 00:50:13.100
  • - When you are trying todraw water out of a well
  • 00:50:15.068 --> 00:50:20.073
  • you can imagine somebodypumping a handle.
  • 00:50:21.174 --> 00:50:23.777
  • - Cistern.
  • 00:50:23.777 --> 00:50:24.945
  • - Water comes out,hopefully your sources,
  • 00:50:24.945 --> 00:50:28.281
  • an aquifer, and there's fresh,
  • 00:50:28.281 --> 00:50:30.550
  • clean water coming out.
  • 00:50:30.550 --> 00:50:32.619
  • When you give me advice
  • 00:50:32.619 --> 00:50:34.221
  • or anyone else ontelevision, or even now,
  • 00:50:34.221 --> 00:50:37.657
  • what are you drawingfrom to give me advice?
  • 00:50:37.657 --> 00:50:40.594
  • - Well, it'll soundarrogant and ironic,
  • 00:50:40.594 --> 00:50:45.599
  • but the answer is humility.
  • 00:50:46.466 --> 00:50:47.334
  • If you come from a placeof certainty, then, well
  • 00:50:48.535 --> 00:50:53.340
  • you'd better be right.
  • 00:50:54.074 --> 00:50:55.976
  • You're probably an expert
  • 00:50:55.976 --> 00:50:57.477
  • although that doesn'tmean you'll be right,
  • 00:50:57.477 --> 00:50:59.513
  • pick up the papers today,
  • 00:50:59.513 --> 00:51:01.414
  • and they're filled withexperts who disagree.
  • 00:51:01.414 --> 00:51:03.416
  • Somebody is wrong,I have to be, right?
  • 00:51:03.416 --> 00:51:05.986
  • So certainty is a tricky thing.
  • 00:51:05.986 --> 00:51:08.889
  • Earnestness is a tricky thing.
  • 00:51:08.889 --> 00:51:11.324
  • Travis McGee said, bewary of all earnestness.
  • 00:51:11.324 --> 00:51:15.061
  • Even as Sam McGee said,
  • 00:51:15.061 --> 00:51:16.363
  • a promise made is adebt unpaid, right?
  • 00:51:16.363 --> 00:51:18.965
  • So I think aboutthose are the bromides
  • 00:51:18.965 --> 00:51:22.035
  • that I think ofmost of the time.
  • 00:51:22.035 --> 00:51:24.271
  • And for myself, look,you said it earlier,
  • 00:51:24.271 --> 00:51:27.207
  • I worked in a businesswhere being correct
  • 00:51:27.207 --> 00:51:30.410
  • on television was the thing
  • 00:51:31.311 --> 00:51:34.247
  • upon which you were judged.
  • 00:51:34.247 --> 00:51:36.249
  • So if you were anexpert or a host,
  • 00:51:36.249 --> 00:51:38.718
  • you better have theright information.
  • 00:51:38.718 --> 00:51:41.454
  • I come from a place oflearning on dirty jobs
  • 00:51:41.454 --> 00:51:43.990
  • that I was a betterguest than I was a host.
  • 00:51:43.990 --> 00:51:47.861
  • And if I didn't claimto be an expert,
  • 00:51:47.861 --> 00:51:50.630
  • but rather an apprentice,
  • 00:51:50.630 --> 00:51:52.499
  • well, then I wouldn'tbe weighed and measured
  • 00:51:52.499 --> 00:51:55.168
  • based on my abilityto be correct,
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  • I would be weighed and measured
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  • based on my willingness to try.
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  • And once that happened for me,
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  • well, a lot of goodthings happen as a result.
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  • And that required ameasure of humility.
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  • I mean, if youlook at dirty jobs
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  • and just turn the volume down
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  • and just watch 300crucibles, 300 gauntlets,
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  • it was a very humbling show.
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  • I crawled throughall sorts of fluids.
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  • And you look, ifthere was a joke
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  • on that show, well,
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  • it was usually on me, right?
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  • It was my job to show the viewer
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  • how difficult thetask was by providing
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  • a comparative analysisnext to an expert
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  • who could actually doit. That's humbling,
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  • but you must be thistall to get on the ride.
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  • And I got on.
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  • - So your source
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  • of advice is humility.
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  • - I could be wrong,I probably am.
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  • (laughing)
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  • I could be wrongand I probably am.
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  • My granddad was the mosthumble man I ever met,
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  • I've talked about him before,
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  • could build a housewithout a blueprint
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  • only went to the seventhgrade, skilled tradesmen
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  • master electrician,plumber, steam
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  • fitter pipe fitter you name it,
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  • by the time he was 35,
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  • but fundamentally hewas just so humble.
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  • And he was generous in spirit,
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  • but very stingy withadvice, very stingy.
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  • He was, the thing he told me
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  • that changedeverything initially,
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  • was I wanted to followin his footsteps,
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  • I didn't get the handy gene,
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  • we've talked about that.
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  • He saw me mess upa concrete pour
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  • followed by a disastrousdrywall scenario
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  • and said finally, 17 he said,
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  • look, you can be atradesman if you want,
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  • just get a different toolbox,
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  • approach your work likea trade if you want,
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  • but just get adifferent toolbox.
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  • So I, when peoplereally press me,
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  • whether it's throughmy foundation
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  • or really anywhere the closest
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  • I come to dispensingadvice is saying,
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  • don't limit yourtoolbox to your,
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  • to the thing youthink you wanna do.
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  • Be open to all sortsof other things.
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  • That's what somebody'sgot to do at shows
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  • on your network.
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  • - We have enjoyedour fireside chat.
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  • Every with- You think?
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  • - The modern day Will Rogers.
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  • - You know what? Ifthere were S'mores,
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  • I'd say I'd be back tomorrow.- In the kitchen
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  • they're coming in.
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  • - Okay.
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  • - Really?
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  • - You get the final word.
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  • That's all Mary evertells us you need
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  • is the final word.
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  • - All right, well, in this case
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  • it goes a little somethinglike this. Ready?
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  • - Yap.- Yeah.
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  • (clears throat)
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  • - Thanks.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - We'll see you next time.
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  • Bye-bye.
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  • (upbeat music)
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