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  • And so I, for myself, I caughtmyself doing that, you know?
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  • Why isn't my internetconnection faster?
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  • Why is Amazon Primetaking so long?
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  • I ordered toiletpaper two weeks ago.
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  • The situation isgetting dire, right?
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  • To two trillion.
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  • (laughing)- Oh no!
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  • I think we're in the same storm.
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  • - And your boat may vary.
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  • I don't know if thatbrings you comfort or not.
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  • But I do know that in the end,
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  • this will certainlypass, as all things do.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - Tonight, entreesfrom Colorado!
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  • He's back withbrand-new episodes of,
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  • "Somebody's Gotta DoIt", right here on TBN.
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  • Mike Rowe!
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  • (bright dramatic music)
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  • And now Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • (dramatic music continues)
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  • - I think in the future,Mike, people will look back
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  • and there'll be a termthat gets coined that,
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  • "Ha ha, you've been 2020ed."
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  • (Laurie chuckles)- You're right. Right.
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  • - I mean, it feels likethere's going to be
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  • much discussion aboutthe season that we're in.
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  • Let's stay current.
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  • Let's talk about what'shappening right now.
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  • I remember a dear friendof mine that taught
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  • at the tenured professor level
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  • in one of the biguniversities was discussing
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  • with Laurie and I one time,
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  • we were sittingat a meal with him
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  • and he was talking aboutdemocracy and bigger issues and,
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  • this and winding the clockback to Socrates and Plato.
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  • And we were hearing all this.
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  • And there was awarning that came along
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  • from Plato-Socrates levelkind of philosophers,
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  • that one step beyonddemocracy is rule by the mass,
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  • and it's chaos.
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  • - Hmm, sure.
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  • - It feels like 2020has somewhat turned
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  • into rule by the massand somewhat chaos.
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  • The interesting thing is,the "Wall Street Journal"
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  • was describingtoday's headline was,
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  • a teacher's union forcinga mayor to delay schools.
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  • So all of a sudden thereis no real leadership,
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  • there is just kind of,- Caving in.
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  • - Caving and rule by the mass.
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  • Help us understand what'sgoing on in this season
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  • and how to speak.
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  • - For me, back in the daysof Plato and Socrates,
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  • there were maps that were drawn
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  • of the world aswe understood it.
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  • And there were parts of themap that we didn't understand
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  • 'cause they hadn'tbeen explored.
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  • And those parts of the mapsaid, "Here, be dragons."
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  • We don't know.
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  • We don't know what'son the other line,
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  • so, "Here be dragons."
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  • We're not on thatpart of the map!
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  • - Oh my goodness!
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  • - We're in the part ofthe map where authority
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  • has really taken it in the neck.
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  • I mean, we have threeinstitutions uponwhich we truly rely
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  • to get credible information.
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  • We have the media, wehave the politicians,
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  • and we have scienceand medicine.
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  • And when I look back at 2020,I see how so many people
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  • in positions of authorityhave been gained said,
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  • contradicted and otherwisemade to look foolish.
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  • Not because they were wrong,but because they were certain.
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  • It's the certainty of the thing
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  • that makes me so uncomfortable.
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  • I don't mind if adoctor changes her mind
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  • because new informationyields new insight,
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  • but it's the certainty.
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  • It's the certainty ofknowing and hearing
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  • that masks don't do any good,juxtaposed with the certainty
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  • of being told, masksare very important.
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  • Now one of those is wrong,and I don't wanna pretend
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  • to know which is which.
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  • All I know for sure is thatthe certainty is the same.
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  • And so I feel like our countryhas been treading water
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  • in a sea of uncertainty.
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  • Because our politicians allsound very, very certain
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  • when they say thingsthey don't really mean,
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  • and our journalists are justcompletely carrying water
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  • for one side or the other,
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  • but they all soundterribly certain.
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  • And even the doctors, I'mafraid, are telling us that,
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  • "Well, shopping for thisparticular kind of a thing,
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  • in this particularkind of a store
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  • in this particularkind of a store
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  • could be very dangerous, butprotesting, that's okay."
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  • "But this kind of thing is not."
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  • And so look, it's not,reasonable people.
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  • Reasonable people can lookaround at all this uncertainty,
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  • and say, "Tell me again,why I should believe you?"
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  • It's not unreasonableto be skeptical
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  • in this day and age,because, "Here be dragons."
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  • (Laurie laughs)
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  • - Church, here be dragons, okay?
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  • So protests, not so manydragons, there's lizards there,
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  • but not dragons.- That's right.
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  • - So how has thisseason affected you?
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  • You live in a verymetropolitan area.
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  • How has COVIDimpacted Mike Rowe?
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  • - Well-
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  • - Besides the hair,which is obvious.
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  • - Thank you.
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  • - Yeah.- Very proud of it.
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  • And Laurie, when you'relooking like that way,
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  • I see your envy, by the way
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  • (Matt & Laurie laughing)
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  • I see you envyingmy unshorn locks.
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  • (Matt & Laurie laughing)
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  • Of that I'm certain.
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  • Well, it's back to the masks.
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  • The masks beyond themedical efficacy of it.
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  • Whatever that is.
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  • It's such an amazingthing, like for one thing,
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  • I didn't realize how muchI relied on lip reading.
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  • - Okay, I'm deaf in my left ear,
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  • so I completely rely on it.- Rely on it, yeah.
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  • - Yeah, I mean, and so tolook at so many people,
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  • and not know if they're smiling.
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  • That I believe hashad an exponential
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  • and a negative effect on me.
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  • And I think a lotof other people too.
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  • And so the politics thathas now been associated
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  • with your view of the mask,the compliance issues.
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  • I mean, everything has takenon a heightened meaning.
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  • All of our behaviors and actions
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  • now seem pregnantwith extra stuff.
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  • And so in San Francisco andaround that area where I live,
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  • it's highly charged.
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  • And where people are moreinterested than ever,
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  • in understanding whothey're talking to,
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  • and being understood.
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  • They're at a point whereit's never been harder
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  • to do either of those things.
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  • And so it's like you're boxing
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  • with one hand tiedbehind your back.
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  • You're playing charades withone hand tied behind your back.
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  • Our ability to be understood,
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  • to communicate and connect,
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  • has been, I think,transformatively altered
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  • by the businessof wearing masks.
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  • Again, not saying it's it'sbad or good, no judgment,
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  • but it goes backto the first point,
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  • which is, "Which isit again, and why?"
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  • And so I feel like there'sa lot of floundering
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  • that's happening, and we'vetalked about it before,
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  • on a business level,it's the same old thing.
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  • You either pivot or you don't.
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  • Adapt or die.
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  • So you've had to figure out how
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  • to do thingsdifferently here at TBN.
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  • I have to figure out the samethings in my little world.
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  • Everybody in someway, shape or form.
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  • It's like picking up thecards for the first time,
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  • and get to look to see, "Howam I gonna do this again?
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  • What cards do I have?"
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  • Everyone that I know isstill navigating that.
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  • - Yeah,
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • I'm Mike Rowe, and tonightit's all about food
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  • in the Bay Area.
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  • That's the Thermador2000, I believe.
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  • This thing bakes andboils (voice drowned out)
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  • - Back in the day,pre-"Dirty Job".
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  • If I had been travelingto San Francisco,
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  • I could have seen you hosting
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  • your evening travel guide show.
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  • If I had flown to Egypt,
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  • I could have seen you hostinga television show there,
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  • and many other things, I'veheard your voice many times,
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  • but just would havenever connected it.
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  • So there was this kindof, back in the day means,
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  • prior to a number onehit show on Discovery
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  • for a decade, where youcrawled through sewers-
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  • - [Mike] The good old days.
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  • - Yeah, the goodold days. (chuckles)
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  • So then and now, doyou find it odd that,
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  • when you were anexpert at something,
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  • and telling us theviewing audience,
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  • what you thought we neededto know about something,
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  • and now you become thisapprentice-level person
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  • that is journeying to, and noweveryone wants your advice.
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  • - It's hysterical.
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  • (Laurie chuckles)
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  • I mean-
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  • - [Matt] That's a reallyawkward thing, isn't it?
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  • - Well, as a host,you are basically paid
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  • to create the illusionof competence.
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  • That's what reportersdo, that's what hosts do.
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  • That's what we do.- Spare my job.
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  • - Yeah, we in short bursts,
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  • you need to appearmore competent
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  • and more informedthan you actually are.
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  • And so you watch your flank
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  • and your job oneis, don't blow up.
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  • Don't say anything stupidor blatantly incorrect.
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  • And so I spent 20years in the industry.
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  • - Doing that.
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  • Then the model went upside down
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  • and TV sort of morphedfrom the age of authority,
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  • into the age of authenticity.
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  • Where now the thing thatpeople valued was honesty.
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  • And if you didn't know athing, admit it, you know,
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  • and if you're willing to learnand be humbled, to a degree,
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  • then your stock goes up.
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  • So I was fortunateto be, you know,
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  • I had a show-- The hinge pin of that.
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  • - Well, I certainly had afront row seat at that time.
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  • But to bring it backto the present day,
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  • what's happening now is,
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  • we no longer, regarding COVID,we're craving authority.
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  • You know, we don't needauthentic people who were wrong.
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  • We need authoritativepeople who are correct.
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  • And so there's a seasonto all these things.
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  • And for me, you know,
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  • I wrote about thisin my book last year
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  • and I hadn't thought aboutit, til you just mentioned it,
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  • but I still narrate showsas a voice of authority.
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  • - Could you do that voiceof authority for us?
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  • - Well, if I were tolook out this window,
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  • I would say highabove the vast reaches
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  • of the barren Serengeti,the lone wildebeest
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  • attempts to navigatea treacherous terrain,
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  • while fending for his own.
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  • It's just a bunchof blah, blah, blah.
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  • But I do this show called"How the Universe Works"
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  • and it's a pretty good show.
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  • It's a big show onthe Science Channel.
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  • And the funny thingabout the show is
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  • every time I go intorecord a new episode,
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  • the first thing thatproducers ask me to do
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  • is rerecord somethingI did a month ago,
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  • or maybe a couple weeks ago,
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  • because the scienceis always changing.
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  • - Oh my goodness- It's always changing.
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  • And my favorite example ofthis was a couple years ago,
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  • the producer, very excited.
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  • They had just done, they'dused the Hubble telescope
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  • and a telescope in Chile,
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  • and by triangulating spacein a very specific way
  • 00:12:35.444 --> 00:12:40.049
  • and looking way, way,way back in time,
  • 00:12:40.049 --> 00:12:42.418
  • all the way to the beginning,
  • 00:12:42.418 --> 00:12:44.787
  • they were able toactually put a number
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  • on the amount ofgalaxies in the universe.
  • 00:12:48.591 --> 00:12:52.595
  • And the number was 200 billion,
  • 00:12:52.595 --> 00:12:56.765
  • 200 billion Milky Way-typegalaxies in the universe.
  • 00:12:58.234 --> 00:13:01.170
  • This is big news andeverybody is terribly excited.
  • 00:13:01.170 --> 00:13:04.640
  • So I narrate the news and Iexplain with the telescopes
  • 00:13:04.640 --> 00:13:09.511
  • and how it all works.
  • 00:13:09.511 --> 00:13:11.347
  • 200 billion galaxies.
  • 00:13:11.347 --> 00:13:13.816
  • Imagine.
  • 00:13:13.816 --> 00:13:15.284
  • Two weeks later, I sit downagain and they're like,
  • 00:13:15.284 --> 00:13:16.619
  • "Mike, yeah, hey, wejust need to go back
  • 00:13:16.619 --> 00:13:18.621
  • and do a quick, quickredo on the thing."
  • 00:13:18.621 --> 00:13:20.422
  • I'm like, "Yeah, yeah,we do it all the time."
  • 00:13:20.422 --> 00:13:22.191
  • So it's the paragraph thattalks about the number.
  • 00:13:22.191 --> 00:13:25.227
  • Well, as it turns out,
  • 00:13:25.227 --> 00:13:26.495
  • they got anothertelescope involved
  • 00:13:26.495 --> 00:13:27.763
  • and there were somenew triangulation
  • 00:13:27.763 --> 00:13:29.265
  • and based on telemetryand some more projections,
  • 00:13:29.265 --> 00:13:31.700
  • they went ahead andrevised number...
  • 00:13:31.700 --> 00:13:34.436
  • To two trillion.
  • 00:13:35.537 --> 00:13:36.906
  • (laughing)- Oh no!
  • 00:13:36.906 --> 00:13:38.841
  • - We were off byroughly two trillion.
  • 00:13:38.841 --> 00:13:42.912
  • We were off by all of them.
  • 00:13:42.912 --> 00:13:45.147
  • The number of known galaxies
  • 00:13:45.147 --> 00:13:46.315
  • goes from 200 billionto two trillion.
  • 00:13:46.315 --> 00:13:48.517
  • And so what does this mean?
  • 00:13:48.517 --> 00:13:50.319
  • - In two weeks?- Jeez, yeah.
  • 00:13:50.319 --> 00:13:51.587
  • - In two weeks. Okay?
  • 00:13:51.587 --> 00:13:52.988
  • So this is not mesaying, "Oh, science."
  • 00:13:52.988 --> 00:13:56.859
  • No, no, I'm saying great!
  • 00:13:56.859 --> 00:13:59.662
  • We know more, butwhere's the humility go?
  • 00:13:59.662 --> 00:14:02.998
  • And here's thebig point, Laurie,
  • 00:14:02.998 --> 00:14:04.533
  • when I announced in myauthoritative certain tone
  • 00:14:04.533 --> 00:14:08.137
  • that there were 200billion known universes.
  • 00:14:08.137 --> 00:14:10.806
  • And then later thatthere were two trillion.
  • 00:14:10.806 --> 00:14:13.542
  • I sounded exactly the same.(laughing)
  • 00:14:13.542 --> 00:14:16.578
  • I sound the same when I'm right
  • 00:14:16.578 --> 00:14:19.581
  • (laughing)as I do, when I'm wrong.
  • 00:14:19.581 --> 00:14:21.150
  • - There you go.
  • 00:14:21.150 --> 00:14:22.418
  • - I sound the same whenI'm off by two trillion.
  • 00:14:22.418 --> 00:14:24.987
  • (all laughing)
  • 00:14:24.987 --> 00:14:26.488
  • And so I always think abouthow I sound when I'm wrong
  • 00:14:26.488 --> 00:14:30.592
  • when I listen to experts today,
  • 00:14:30.592 --> 00:14:32.895
  • when I listen tonewscasters today,
  • 00:14:32.895 --> 00:14:34.697
  • and when I listento politicians.
  • 00:14:34.697 --> 00:14:37.199
  • We are awash in thisera of certainty.
  • 00:14:37.199 --> 00:14:42.204
  • And it's so weird thatthe more certain we sound,
  • 00:14:43.605 --> 00:14:46.408
  • the less we actually know.
  • 00:14:46.408 --> 00:14:47.943
  • - And your story was nota junior high school class
  • 00:14:49.378 --> 00:14:53.248
  • with a little spotting scope.
  • 00:14:53.248 --> 00:14:55.217
  • This was the professionals.- The best physicists
  • 00:14:55.217 --> 00:14:57.453
  • on the planet.- Isn't that something.
  • 00:14:57.453 --> 00:15:00.155
  • - Yes.- That you believed
  • 00:15:00.155 --> 00:15:01.790
  • the first time whenthey said 200 billion.
  • 00:15:01.790 --> 00:15:04.026
  • - They believed it too.
  • 00:15:04.026 --> 00:15:04.960
  • - Yeah, isn't that amazing.
  • 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.428
  • - There was no reasonnot to believe it.
  • 00:15:06.428 --> 00:15:08.430
  • - We are dealing withan education thing
  • 00:15:09.665 --> 00:15:14.670
  • where kids are maybe gettingto go back to school,
  • 00:15:16.038 --> 00:15:19.875
  • kind of going back.
  • 00:15:19.875 --> 00:15:21.143
  • Some colleges are doingdistance learning only,
  • 00:15:21.143 --> 00:15:23.846
  • all this kind of stuff.
  • 00:15:23.846 --> 00:15:25.180
  • Where's education headed?
  • 00:15:25.180 --> 00:15:26.648
  • - Boy, that's a good one.
  • 00:15:28.384 --> 00:15:30.052
  • - [Laurie] In your certain tone.
  • 00:15:30.052 --> 00:15:32.388
  • - Let me tell youhow it is, Laurie.
  • 00:15:32.388 --> 00:15:34.256
  • (hosts laughing)
  • 00:15:34.256 --> 00:15:35.057
  • A, I don't know.
  • 00:15:35.057 --> 00:15:36.759
  • B, I think thebiggest wake up call
  • 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:40.229
  • is actually gonna bein the universities.
  • 00:15:40.229 --> 00:15:42.831
  • Because I think thecost of college,
  • 00:15:42.831 --> 00:15:45.100
  • as we've discussed before,
  • 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:46.902
  • is so completely andegregiously out of control,
  • 00:15:46.902 --> 00:15:50.105
  • no one really disagreeswith it anymore.
  • 00:15:50.105 --> 00:15:52.307
  • Now what we're seeing is whatyou're actually paying for.
  • 00:15:52.307 --> 00:15:56.745
  • So at institutions,like Harvard,
  • 00:15:56.745 --> 00:15:59.448
  • with a $28 billion endowment,
  • 00:16:01.383 --> 00:16:04.520
  • don't refund the moneyto the last bunch of kids
  • 00:16:05.921 --> 00:16:10.592
  • who signed up for classesthat were canceled,
  • 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.896
  • they don't refund the money
  • 00:16:13.896 --> 00:16:15.464
  • because now they're sitting athome learning from a screen.
  • 00:16:15.464 --> 00:16:18.967
  • Well, what that says to me is,
  • 00:16:18.967 --> 00:16:21.670
  • the experience of coming here
  • 00:16:21.670 --> 00:16:25.474
  • is worth no more than theexperience of sitting home.
  • 00:16:25.474 --> 00:16:30.412
  • And while that'skind of chilling,
  • 00:16:30.412 --> 00:16:32.214
  • if you're going to Harvard,it's kind of instructive,
  • 00:16:32.214 --> 00:16:36.351
  • I think, if we'rereally gonna step back
  • 00:16:36.351 --> 00:16:38.687
  • and seriously think aboutother, different ways to learn.
  • 00:16:38.687 --> 00:16:42.858
  • Not as a result of COVID.
  • 00:16:42.858 --> 00:16:44.393
  • I don't think we're ever goingto go back to the way it was.
  • 00:16:44.393 --> 00:16:48.897
  • I do think this will pass.
  • 00:16:48.897 --> 00:16:50.766
  • And I do think a lot ofthings like education,
  • 00:16:50.766 --> 00:16:53.001
  • and commercial real estate,and all these things
  • 00:16:53.001 --> 00:16:55.037
  • will revert to a degree.
  • 00:16:55.037 --> 00:16:58.240
  • But I think we've seenefficiencies of scale
  • 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.010
  • in a lot of areas thatnobody anticipated
  • 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:05.981
  • and we're still weighingand measuring that.
  • 00:17:05.981 --> 00:17:09.485
  • You know, I talked toa guy the other day,
  • 00:17:09.485 --> 00:17:11.620
  • a big shot over at a recruitingfirm called Korn Ferry.
  • 00:17:11.620 --> 00:17:15.491
  • Been around for years,
  • 00:17:15.491 --> 00:17:16.892
  • they have thousands ofemployees all over the world.
  • 00:17:16.892 --> 00:17:19.161
  • They have a few floorsin the MetLife Building.
  • 00:17:19.161 --> 00:17:22.798
  • MetLife Building has 8.000people in it in New York,
  • 00:17:22.798 --> 00:17:25.701
  • normally, they'vehad 500 people in it.
  • 00:17:25.701 --> 00:17:28.203
  • - Oh, come on.- For the last six months.
  • 00:17:28.203 --> 00:17:31.406
  • A lot of companies.
  • 00:17:31.406 --> 00:17:33.175
  • And I'm not saying that KornFerry's made this decision,
  • 00:17:33.175 --> 00:17:35.477
  • I don't know, butthey're looking at it.
  • 00:17:35.477 --> 00:17:37.846
  • Every single companythat I know of,
  • 00:17:37.846 --> 00:17:40.449
  • who's taken down majorcommercial real estate space
  • 00:17:40.449 --> 00:17:44.319
  • is going, "Hm, we eitherneed it or we don't,
  • 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:49.324
  • or we need some of it."
  • 00:17:50.058 --> 00:17:51.059
  • My own little company, I onlyhave eight people in my world,
  • 00:17:52.528 --> 00:17:55.797
  • but they've all done really well
  • 00:17:55.797 --> 00:17:57.299
  • over the last six, sevenmonths working from home.
  • 00:17:57.299 --> 00:18:00.802
  • And so what are we gonna do?
  • 00:18:00.802 --> 00:18:02.271
  • You know, well, we'll go back.
  • 00:18:02.271 --> 00:18:04.306
  • But five days a week,maybe three, maybe two?
  • 00:18:04.306 --> 00:18:08.644
  • I don't know.
  • 00:18:08.644 --> 00:18:09.511
  • And that's gonna change things.
  • 00:18:11.180 --> 00:18:13.315
  • How much money are wegonna save on energy?
  • 00:18:13.315 --> 00:18:15.817
  • People not driving towork the way they used to.
  • 00:18:17.286 --> 00:18:19.755
  • Flight's not happeningthe way they used to.
  • 00:18:19.755 --> 00:18:21.456
  • What's it gonna doto those industries?
  • 00:18:21.456 --> 00:18:22.958
  • What's it gonna do tothe energy industry?
  • 00:18:22.958 --> 00:18:25.060
  • It's all beyond my pay grade.
  • 00:18:25.994 --> 00:18:27.563
  • But if I were to sound ascertain as I could, Laurie,
  • 00:18:27.563 --> 00:18:30.065
  • I would say we're allgoing to be just fine.
  • 00:18:30.065 --> 00:18:32.935
  • - Yes.
  • 00:18:32.935 --> 00:18:34.102
  • This too shall pass.
  • 00:18:34.102 --> 00:18:35.270
  • - We're talking aboutcurrent events in Colorado.
  • 00:18:36.772 --> 00:18:41.743
  • You have a new season on"Somebody's Gotta Do It."
  • 00:18:41.743 --> 00:18:44.279
  • We've got a trailer for you.
  • 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.281
  • Take a peek at this.
  • 00:18:46.281 --> 00:18:48.016
  • - Tell him what's going on.
  • 00:18:48.016 --> 00:18:49.585
  • - I'm shooting a TV show.
  • 00:18:49.585 --> 00:18:50.752
  • - Tell 'em with who.
  • 00:18:50.752 --> 00:18:52.387
  • - With Mike Rowe.- That's right.
  • 00:18:52.387 --> 00:18:54.523
  • (air whooshing)(upbeat rock music)
  • 00:18:54.523 --> 00:18:56.225
  • - [Instructor] Allright, you ready?
  • 00:18:56.225 --> 00:18:57.359
  • - I have so many questions.
  • 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:58.660
  • And they all start withwhat's this thing do?
  • 00:18:58.660 --> 00:19:00.829
  • That's right, I'mdriving a tank.
  • 00:19:02.798 --> 00:19:04.433
  • (laughing)
  • 00:19:07.669 --> 00:19:09.705
  • This is a tool thatactually tells you
  • 00:19:09.705 --> 00:19:11.873
  • to wear safety goggles.
  • 00:19:11.873 --> 00:19:13.041
  • It's troubling to be defeated
  • 00:19:14.042 --> 00:19:15.744
  • by a screw.
  • 00:19:15.744 --> 00:19:16.578
  • Darn it.
  • 00:19:17.679 --> 00:19:18.513
  • - Gave this one shot andthen I'll never ask again,
  • 00:19:19.948 --> 00:19:22.584
  • because this is sohard to believe.
  • 00:19:22.584 --> 00:19:24.353
  • - You wanna eat this piece?
  • 00:19:24.353 --> 00:19:27.623
  • I'm eating that piece.
  • 00:19:27.623 --> 00:19:28.957
  • - Well, why did youtease me with it?
  • 00:19:28.957 --> 00:19:30.459
  • (child laughs)
  • 00:19:30.459 --> 00:19:31.393
  • So you put your iPad in the top,
  • 00:19:31.393 --> 00:19:33.695
  • and that's the speaker.
  • 00:19:33.695 --> 00:19:34.930
  • (record scratching)Luke, I'm your father.
  • 00:19:34.930 --> 00:19:37.065
  • There can't be acamera on that thing.
  • 00:19:39.034 --> 00:19:40.569
  • That's pretty good.
  • 00:19:40.569 --> 00:19:42.070
  • Was that the goal todayfor me to fly this thing?
  • 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:43.739
  • I was just coming to watch?
  • 00:19:43.739 --> 00:19:45.274
  • I'm not useful, but I am here.
  • 00:19:47.442 --> 00:19:48.910
  • One ring to rule themall, one ring to find it.
  • 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:52.547
  • (trumpet music blaring)
  • 00:19:52.547 --> 00:19:54.883
  • (men cheering)
  • 00:19:54.883 --> 00:19:58.553
  • Where do you standon the rinse, repeat?
  • 00:19:58.553 --> 00:20:01.290
  • - We have it on the bottle.
  • 00:20:01.290 --> 00:20:02.524
  • Do you believe thatthat's the best advice
  • 00:20:02.524 --> 00:20:04.059
  • you can give your customer?
  • 00:20:04.059 --> 00:20:05.460
  • - Well, they run out quicker.(Mike laughing)
  • 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:09.865
  • (evocative piano music)
  • 00:20:11.967 --> 00:20:15.304
  • - I've certainly never beenthis badly upstaged in my life.
  • 00:20:18.307 --> 00:20:21.310
  • (laughing)
  • 00:20:21.310 --> 00:20:22.844
  • Why would anybody look atme when that's behind me?
  • 00:20:22.844 --> 00:20:24.546
  • I mean, good grief,just phenomenal.
  • 00:20:24.546 --> 00:20:26.581
  • - You know, you'reused to crawling
  • 00:20:26.581 --> 00:20:27.883
  • through sewers and stuff,
  • 00:20:27.883 --> 00:20:29.117
  • and this is a littledifferent for you.
  • 00:20:29.117 --> 00:20:30.719
  • - A little bit, you know what?
  • 00:20:30.719 --> 00:20:31.920
  • I like it.
  • 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:33.422
  • I could get used to sittinghere and telling stories.
  • 00:20:33.422 --> 00:20:36.325
  • - Okay.
  • 00:20:36.325 --> 00:20:37.159
  • Life's different.
  • 00:20:38.660 --> 00:20:39.928
  • Take us kind of into the way
  • 00:20:41.029 --> 00:20:44.733
  • maybe even technology now ismore important to all of us.
  • 00:20:44.733 --> 00:20:49.438
  • How many Zoom calls wehave done when I had,
  • 00:20:49.438 --> 00:20:53.275
  • I don't think ever doneone before, you know?
  • 00:20:53.275 --> 00:20:56.078
  • - I hadn't either.
  • 00:20:56.078 --> 00:20:57.579
  • - If you, somebody showedme Zoom's stock price.
  • 00:20:57.579 --> 00:21:01.950
  • It looks like a, you know,Wiley Coyote cartoon, you know,
  • 00:21:02.851 --> 00:21:07.589
  • the price, you know, it'sa different day and age.
  • 00:21:07.589 --> 00:21:12.494
  • And we're talking about2020 current events.
  • 00:21:14.529 --> 00:21:18.133
  • What say ye about technology?
  • 00:21:18.133 --> 00:21:20.302
  • - Ye?- Ye.
  • 00:21:20.302 --> 00:21:21.837
  • - Been a while sincethou hast heardest ye.
  • 00:21:21.837 --> 00:21:25.841
  • Oh, here's what a Luddite I am.
  • 00:21:25.841 --> 00:21:27.743
  • Like you, I thought Zoomwas a verb, you know?
  • 00:21:28.910 --> 00:21:33.882
  • I didn't know it was a company.
  • 00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:36.184
  • And then I realized,okay, it's a thing I can,
  • 00:21:36.184 --> 00:21:38.120
  • I can talk to mymom on this thing.
  • 00:21:38.120 --> 00:21:40.856
  • And I figured that out.
  • 00:21:40.856 --> 00:21:42.124
  • And I was so excitedthat I thought, boy,
  • 00:21:42.124 --> 00:21:45.293
  • this company, thisis a great idea.
  • 00:21:45.293 --> 00:21:48.597
  • I could probably do a TV show.
  • 00:21:48.597 --> 00:21:51.500
  • And so, I started doing a show
  • 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:53.602
  • where I wasinterviewing captains
  • 00:21:53.602 --> 00:21:55.670
  • from the DeadliestCatch on Zoom.
  • 00:21:55.670 --> 00:21:58.073
  • It's called After the Catch.
  • 00:21:58.073 --> 00:21:59.674
  • And so, I wrote theCMO of Zoom a letter,
  • 00:21:59.674 --> 00:22:04.646
  • a very excited letter,and I said, look,
  • 00:22:05.814 --> 00:22:07.883
  • I don't know ifyou realize this,
  • 00:22:07.883 --> 00:22:09.351
  • but this technology is reallycoming in handy for me.
  • 00:22:09.351 --> 00:22:14.022
  • It's good for my mom and I,
  • 00:22:14.022 --> 00:22:15.357
  • and it's good forthis show I'm doing,
  • 00:22:15.357 --> 00:22:17.159
  • so why don't you and I chat?
  • 00:22:17.159 --> 00:22:20.896
  • Maybe you couldsponsor my podcast
  • 00:22:20.896 --> 00:22:22.998
  • and maybe I would talkabout this great service
  • 00:22:22.998 --> 00:22:26.601
  • that I've discoveredbecause people
  • 00:22:26.601 --> 00:22:28.069
  • should really knowmore about it.
  • 00:22:28.069 --> 00:22:30.372
  • And then I did the samething, I went online,
  • 00:22:30.372 --> 00:22:32.073
  • I didn't hear back from her.
  • 00:22:32.073 --> 00:22:33.408
  • I thought it was rude.
  • 00:22:33.408 --> 00:22:34.709
  • And I went online and it's like,
  • 00:22:34.709 --> 00:22:36.344
  • oh, they're worth$50 billion today.
  • 00:22:36.344 --> 00:22:38.947
  • Literally, they went from like$20 million to $50 billion.
  • 00:22:38.947 --> 00:22:43.952
  • And so, yeah.- That's crazy.
  • 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:46.488
  • - But you know, on the one hand,
  • 00:22:46.488 --> 00:22:48.490
  • here we are isolated and aloneand feeling very separated.
  • 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:52.694
  • But Zoom is one of those things
  • 00:22:52.694 --> 00:22:54.663
  • that brought us all together.
  • 00:22:54.663 --> 00:22:56.198
  • Like, we all sort ofdiscovered it at the same time,
  • 00:22:56.198 --> 00:22:59.734
  • this arcane, weirdtechnology that had really
  • 00:22:59.734 --> 00:23:02.938
  • only been used in corporations,
  • 00:23:02.938 --> 00:23:07.108
  • now, suddenly, thereit is for all of us.
  • 00:23:07.108 --> 00:23:11.012
  • So that was just oneof a lot of things
  • 00:23:11.012 --> 00:23:13.014
  • I think people all realizedat the same time was viable.
  • 00:23:13.014 --> 00:23:18.019
  • It's like when you discovera new tool that really works,
  • 00:23:19.454 --> 00:23:22.791
  • that's exciting.
  • 00:23:22.791 --> 00:23:25.026
  • And that's one of the silverlinings to this, you know?
  • 00:23:25.026 --> 00:23:28.129
  • At a time when I felt moreisolated from my friends
  • 00:23:28.129 --> 00:23:32.567
  • and my family, suddenlyI'm using a new tool
  • 00:23:32.567 --> 00:23:36.238
  • to talk with them more than Iever had before and see them.
  • 00:23:36.238 --> 00:23:39.841
  • So that, going backin March and April,
  • 00:23:39.841 --> 00:23:41.977
  • that that was aninteresting adjustment.
  • 00:23:41.977 --> 00:23:44.613
  • Then, of course, the catreally got out of the bag
  • 00:23:44.613 --> 00:23:47.582
  • and now I've done like 20Zoom TV shows since then
  • 00:23:47.582 --> 00:23:50.719
  • and I'm ready to throwthe thing out the window.
  • 00:23:50.719 --> 00:23:52.687
  • But isn't it funny, you know?
  • 00:23:52.687 --> 00:23:54.656
  • How quickly you go fromwonder to utility to disdain.
  • 00:23:54.656 --> 00:23:59.661
  • (laughing)
  • 00:24:00.262 --> 00:24:01.530
  • It happens all thetime, it happens,
  • 00:24:01.530 --> 00:24:02.831
  • this is what, you know,we wind up resenting
  • 00:24:02.831 --> 00:24:07.836
  • the stuff we rely upon.- Oh my goodness.
  • 00:24:08.970 --> 00:24:11.540
  • - I do, anyway, ithappens all the time.
  • 00:24:11.540 --> 00:24:13.475
  • And this is a big problem, Ireckon, with our country now.
  • 00:24:13.475 --> 00:24:18.480
  • - [Newscaster] The wildfiresraging throughout the state.
  • 00:24:19.948 --> 00:24:21.016
  • - [Journalist] That's right,
  • 00:24:21.016 --> 00:24:22.250
  • more than two and a halfquarter million acres
  • 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:24.486
  • burned in Californiathis year already.
  • 00:24:24.486 --> 00:24:27.222
  • - Right, where Ilive, there are fires.
  • 00:24:27.222 --> 00:24:29.925
  • There are nine wildfiresburning right now.
  • 00:24:29.925 --> 00:24:32.561
  • The air is full of smoke andthere are rolling blackouts,
  • 00:24:32.561 --> 00:24:37.132
  • right?
  • 00:24:37.132 --> 00:24:38.400
  • And so people look atlinemen up, you know,
  • 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.737
  • up on the poles, tryingto get the power back on.
  • 00:24:42.737 --> 00:24:45.607
  • And they're frustrated, theyshake their fists at 'em,
  • 00:24:45.607 --> 00:24:47.375
  • what's taking so long, right?
  • 00:24:47.375 --> 00:24:49.611
  • Instead of going, thank youso much for being out here
  • 00:24:49.611 --> 00:24:54.249
  • and doing what you're doing.
  • 00:24:54.249 --> 00:24:56.084
  • Why do we do that, you know?
  • 00:24:56.084 --> 00:24:57.586
  • It's the same reason weshake our head and mutter
  • 00:24:57.586 --> 00:24:59.821
  • at the construction workerswho are building the new road
  • 00:24:59.821 --> 00:25:02.357
  • that's slowing us down.
  • 00:25:02.357 --> 00:25:03.992
  • Because we wind up resentingthese things that we rely upon.
  • 00:25:03.992 --> 00:25:08.997
  • And so I, for myself, I caughtmyself doing that, you know?
  • 00:25:10.432 --> 00:25:13.501
  • Why isn't my internetconnection faster?
  • 00:25:13.501 --> 00:25:15.670
  • Why is Amazon Primetaking so long?
  • 00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:18.139
  • I ordered toiletpaper two weeks ago.
  • 00:25:18.139 --> 00:25:19.941
  • The situation isgetting dire, right?
  • 00:25:19.941 --> 00:25:22.611
  • So, it forces usto think, I think,
  • 00:25:24.045 --> 00:25:28.717
  • it forces us to takestock of what's important.
  • 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.689
  • - What really matters.- Yeah.
  • 00:25:34.689 --> 00:25:36.291
  • And what's really connected
  • 00:25:36.291 --> 00:25:37.525
  • and what's reallyessential, you know?
  • 00:25:37.525 --> 00:25:39.961
  • We've riffed on this before,
  • 00:25:39.961 --> 00:25:41.262
  • but it is, it'sin the headlines.
  • 00:25:41.262 --> 00:25:43.765
  • Essential work isin the headlines.
  • 00:25:43.765 --> 00:25:46.401
  • But for me, it's been,it's been really ironic,
  • 00:25:46.401 --> 00:25:50.005
  • you know, because Dirty Jobs,
  • 00:25:50.005 --> 00:25:52.073
  • it's the granddaddy ofessential working job shows.
  • 00:25:52.073 --> 00:25:55.543
  • But I now personally lookaround and I can't find,
  • 00:25:55.543 --> 00:26:00.015
  • I can't find anon-essential worker.
  • 00:26:00.015 --> 00:26:02.684
  • We have 40 million peopleout of work right now.
  • 00:26:02.684 --> 00:26:05.587
  • A lot of peopleprobably watching this
  • 00:26:05.587 --> 00:26:08.456
  • who have essentiallybeen told that
  • 00:26:08.456 --> 00:26:11.426
  • they're non-essential.- Yeah.
  • 00:26:11.426 --> 00:26:13.628
  • - Now, what happens when youtell 20, 30, 40 million people
  • 00:26:13.628 --> 00:26:18.633
  • in an economy thatthey don't matter?
  • 00:26:19.834 --> 00:26:20.969
  • Well, the economy collapses
  • 00:26:22.804 --> 00:26:27.742
  • and we start to seethat it's really
  • 00:26:27.742 --> 00:26:30.111
  • not just essentialversus non-essential,
  • 00:26:30.111 --> 00:26:32.380
  • or blue collarversus white collar,
  • 00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:34.482
  • or four-year degreeversus trade school.
  • 00:26:34.482 --> 00:26:37.619
  • It's really a tapestry.
  • 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.487
  • And it's all woven together.
  • 00:26:39.487 --> 00:26:42.424
  • It's like a sweater,
  • 00:26:42.424 --> 00:26:43.692
  • if you pull the threadof a nonessential job,
  • 00:26:43.692 --> 00:26:47.762
  • well, it's gonna buckle up onthe other side of the garment.
  • 00:26:47.762 --> 00:26:51.266
  • - Right.- Right?
  • 00:26:51.266 --> 00:26:52.667
  • It's all connected.
  • 00:26:52.667 --> 00:26:54.102
  • And so, much ofwhat's happened to me
  • 00:26:54.102 --> 00:26:56.938
  • over the last six monthsin some way, shape or form,
  • 00:26:56.938 --> 00:27:00.508
  • has been a reminderthat the connections
  • 00:27:00.508 --> 00:27:03.611
  • that hold us together are real.
  • 00:27:03.611 --> 00:27:06.181
  • And they touch us in work.
  • 00:27:06.181 --> 00:27:09.751
  • They touch us in play.
  • 00:27:09.751 --> 00:27:11.286
  • It touches at home, school,everywhere, everybody.
  • 00:27:11.286 --> 00:27:16.057
  • - It's 2021.
  • 00:27:17.859 --> 00:27:19.994
  • I've been elected presidentof the United States.
  • 00:27:19.994 --> 00:27:22.297
  • You're now my secretaryfor education.
  • 00:27:22.297 --> 00:27:25.033
  • - How about, howabout that? (laughing)
  • 00:27:26.367 --> 00:27:29.938
  • - And I need you to make somepolicy decisions right now.
  • 00:27:29.938 --> 00:27:34.943
  • The COVID crisis is a risk,
  • 00:27:38.646 --> 00:27:43.651
  • but it has proven outto be less of a risk
  • 00:27:46.588 --> 00:27:50.024
  • than we all initially thought.
  • 00:27:50.024 --> 00:27:52.794
  • I think the scienceis proving that out.
  • 00:27:52.794 --> 00:27:55.430
  • I don't wanna be definitiveabout anything either
  • 00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:59.100
  • in regard to that,
  • 00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.502
  • but I need you to makedefinitive decisions right now
  • 00:28:00.502 --> 00:28:04.706
  • on the relationshipbetween this isolation
  • 00:28:04.706 --> 00:28:09.310
  • that people are feeling,mental depressions,
  • 00:28:09.310 --> 00:28:14.249
  • you know, suicidal tendencies,
  • 00:28:15.116 --> 00:28:17.318
  • and the fact that lifeneeds to get back.
  • 00:28:17.318 --> 00:28:20.155
  • How do you risk thatmitigation between, you know,
  • 00:28:20.155 --> 00:28:25.160
  • these two factors thatyou have playing out
  • 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.730
  • right now in the headlines?
  • 00:28:28.730 --> 00:28:30.765
  • - How'd you getelected president?
  • 00:28:30.765 --> 00:28:32.100
  • (laughing)
  • 00:28:32.100 --> 00:28:33.535
  • - That's what I wanna know.
  • 00:28:33.535 --> 00:28:35.804
  • Whose bright idea was that?
  • 00:28:37.038 --> 00:28:37.872
  • - Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:28:37.872 --> 00:28:38.940
  • - Wow, congratulations!
  • 00:28:39.874 --> 00:28:41.543
  • - Thanks.
  • 00:28:41.543 --> 00:28:43.011
  • - And I actually acceptedthe role of secretary?
  • 00:28:43.011 --> 00:28:43.978
  • - You did.- Okay, yeah.
  • 00:28:43.978 --> 00:28:45.880
  • First of all, it's notsuicidal tendencies.
  • 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.616
  • It's suicide.- Got it.
  • 00:28:48.616 --> 00:28:50.151
  • - It's up over a hundredpercent everywhere.
  • 00:28:50.151 --> 00:28:52.020
  • It's up over a thousand percent,the calls to the hotlines.
  • 00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:54.989
  • In fact, a week or two ago,
  • 00:28:56.491 --> 00:28:58.693
  • I read that the causes ofdeath among young people
  • 00:28:58.693 --> 00:29:03.698
  • in school have alloutpaced COVID.
  • 00:29:04.866 --> 00:29:07.035
  • - Yeah.- All these things,
  • 00:29:07.035 --> 00:29:08.336
  • Giant list ofunintended consequences.
  • 00:29:08.336 --> 00:29:10.939
  • I understand that becausewe're connected the way we are,
  • 00:29:10.939 --> 00:29:13.908
  • the downside of that,the infection rates,
  • 00:29:15.076 --> 00:29:18.646
  • we can wind up, in amultigenerational home,
  • 00:29:18.646 --> 00:29:22.517
  • getting someone sick.
  • 00:29:22.517 --> 00:29:24.385
  • But it doesn't changethe basic truth.
  • 00:29:24.385 --> 00:29:28.489
  • This economy in thiscountry won't work
  • 00:29:28.489 --> 00:29:30.992
  • if our kids aren't in school.
  • 00:29:30.992 --> 00:29:33.361
  • We just have to figure it out,
  • 00:29:33.361 --> 00:29:34.863
  • and if that means dailytesting, whatever it means,
  • 00:29:34.863 --> 00:29:38.333
  • we have to do that.
  • 00:29:38.333 --> 00:29:39.767
  • Because half of our nurseshave kids in school.
  • 00:29:39.767 --> 00:29:44.639
  • Our whole health care industry
  • 00:29:45.506 --> 00:29:46.975
  • is based on human's abilityto tend to sick humans.
  • 00:29:46.975 --> 00:29:50.912
  • And they can't do that ifthey're home with their kids.
  • 00:29:50.912 --> 00:29:53.014
  • So, we have to get back toschool, period, the end,
  • 00:29:53.014 --> 00:29:56.985
  • and then we haveto figure out a way
  • 00:29:56.985 --> 00:29:58.786
  • to be as safe as possible.
  • 00:29:58.786 --> 00:30:01.356
  • And why-
  • 00:30:01.356 --> 00:30:02.423
  • - Even as your secretary ofeducation, I, I'm afraid,
  • 00:30:03.558 --> 00:30:06.361
  • I don't know precisely how todo it, but we can't do this.
  • 00:30:06.361 --> 00:30:11.366
  • You know, I don't haveto be an expert on fire
  • 00:30:12.533 --> 00:30:15.436
  • to know that sittingon a hot stove, mm.
  • 00:30:15.436 --> 00:30:20.441
  • You know, I don't, I don'tneed to understand the science
  • 00:30:21.843 --> 00:30:22.777
  • between convection, right?
  • 00:30:22.777 --> 00:30:24.312
  • I can see what's happeningwith the schools and say,
  • 00:30:24.312 --> 00:30:27.782
  • this, this can't work.
  • 00:30:27.782 --> 00:30:30.151
  • And then you get backinto the conversation of,
  • 00:30:30.151 --> 00:30:33.554
  • we have to be cautious,but we also need context
  • 00:30:33.554 --> 00:30:36.491
  • and we need perspective.
  • 00:30:36.491 --> 00:30:38.026
  • So does our collectivemeasure of fear,
  • 00:30:38.026 --> 00:30:42.997
  • is that commensurate withthe actual risk at hand?
  • 00:30:44.465 --> 00:30:48.970
  • And I don't know theanswer to that either,
  • 00:30:50.171 --> 00:30:51.639
  • but I know the questionhas to be asked.
  • 00:30:51.639 --> 00:30:54.208
  • And if I look back atthe beginning of this,
  • 00:30:54.208 --> 00:30:56.511
  • knowing what we know now,
  • 00:30:56.511 --> 00:30:59.714
  • imagine if an authorityfigure had come out
  • 00:30:59.714 --> 00:31:02.116
  • a doctor, a politician,and a trusted journalist,
  • 00:31:02.116 --> 00:31:04.752
  • all three of themaltogether and said,
  • 00:31:04.752 --> 00:31:07.055
  • "Here's what we know,
  • 00:31:07.055 --> 00:31:08.156
  • 6 million peopleare going to get it,
  • 00:31:09.891 --> 00:31:12.627
  • and 180.000 are going to die.
  • 00:31:12.627 --> 00:31:14.896
  • That's what we know.
  • 00:31:14.896 --> 00:31:16.431
  • We got a crystal ball andwe look forward from March
  • 00:31:16.431 --> 00:31:18.700
  • until today, earlyin September."
  • 00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:21.536
  • Okay, 6 million cases outof 300 million people.
  • 00:31:21.536 --> 00:31:26.541
  • What is that?
  • 00:31:27.475 --> 00:31:28.910
  • Well, if it were a hundredmillion it'd be 6%,
  • 00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:30.278
  • for 200 million it'dbe three, 300 million.
  • 00:31:30.278 --> 00:31:33.448
  • So one and a half percent ofpeople are going to get it.
  • 00:31:33.448 --> 00:31:36.317
  • And then 94% of thosepeople who get it,
  • 00:31:36.317 --> 00:31:41.322
  • 94% who, who die,
  • 00:31:41.322 --> 00:31:45.426
  • are going to be afflictedwith something else,
  • 00:31:45.426 --> 00:31:49.564
  • obesity, diabetes, hypertension,heart disease, age,
  • 00:31:49.564 --> 00:31:54.535
  • they're going to be weakened.
  • 00:31:56.104 --> 00:31:57.472
  • That means 6%,currently 9.210 people,
  • 00:31:57.472 --> 00:32:02.443
  • are going to die ofCOVID-19 and nothing else."
  • 00:32:03.778 --> 00:32:08.316
  • Had that been laid outat the very beginning,
  • 00:32:08.316 --> 00:32:11.619
  • I don't know whatwe would have done,
  • 00:32:11.619 --> 00:32:13.554
  • but I'm pretty sure wewould not have locked down.
  • 00:32:13.554 --> 00:32:16.391
  • I'm pretty sure we wouldn'thave treated every town
  • 00:32:16.391 --> 00:32:18.426
  • like a hotspot.
  • 00:32:18.426 --> 00:32:19.894
  • And I'm pretty sure we wouldn'thave treated every person
  • 00:32:19.894 --> 00:32:23.698
  • like an infectedcarrier, but we did.
  • 00:32:23.698 --> 00:32:27.368
  • And so I'm not gainsayingany decisions, you know,
  • 00:32:28.803 --> 00:32:32.140
  • this is me Monday morningquarterbacking as your fake
  • 00:32:32.140 --> 00:32:36.010
  • secretary of educationor whatever I am.
  • 00:32:36.010 --> 00:32:38.546
  • But when I look backat what we know now,
  • 00:32:38.546 --> 00:32:41.082
  • the question stillhas to be posed.
  • 00:32:41.082 --> 00:32:43.151
  • Does our collective fearwarrant, the facts that we have?
  • 00:32:43.151 --> 00:32:48.156
  • Whether it's regardingschool or really any of it.
  • 00:32:49.557 --> 00:32:52.693
  • Any of it.
  • 00:32:52.693 --> 00:32:54.195
  • And when you think aboutthe fact that one and a half
  • 00:32:54.195 --> 00:32:56.297
  • million people died ofTB over the same period,
  • 00:32:56.297 --> 00:33:00.234
  • I think reasonable people,again, reasonable people
  • 00:33:00.234 --> 00:33:03.738
  • can look at all of that andmake their own conclusions.
  • 00:33:03.738 --> 00:33:08.743
  • So in this, in thisvoid of certainty,
  • 00:33:09.911 --> 00:33:13.748
  • as people soundcertain, you know,
  • 00:33:14.916 --> 00:33:16.884
  • I think we're all backon the here be dragons
  • 00:33:16.884 --> 00:33:19.821
  • part of the map.
  • 00:33:19.821 --> 00:33:21.089
  • We'll sort it out,but we're in the,
  • 00:33:21.089 --> 00:33:25.059
  • we're in the processof doing it right now.
  • 00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:27.228
  • We're not there.
  • 00:33:27.228 --> 00:33:28.729
  • - Am I remembering correctlythat your grandfather kind of
  • 00:33:28.729 --> 00:33:32.366
  • built the town's local church?- Yeah
  • 00:33:32.366 --> 00:33:35.203
  • - And he was part of that.
  • 00:33:35.203 --> 00:33:36.871
  • So grandparentswere part of church.
  • 00:33:36.871 --> 00:33:41.342
  • Your parents were kindof part of church.
  • 00:33:41.342 --> 00:33:43.911
  • Were you the type ofkid that willingly went
  • 00:33:43.911 --> 00:33:46.447
  • or were you dragged to church?
  • 00:33:46.447 --> 00:33:48.349
  • - Oh, well, I mean,no two Sundays wereidentical, you know,
  • 00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:53.354
  • but Wednesday nightswere the boy Scouts,
  • 00:33:54.555 --> 00:33:56.157
  • we met at the church basement.
  • 00:33:56.157 --> 00:33:57.825
  • Lent and dinners- Happy to go?
  • 00:33:57.825 --> 00:33:59.360
  • - Oh yeah, the boyScouts changed my life.
  • 00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:01.662
  • That was a differenttime, you know, in 1975,
  • 00:34:01.662 --> 00:34:04.665
  • my Scoutmaster was a retiredMarine Corps drill Sergeant.
  • 00:34:04.665 --> 00:34:09.537
  • And he ran the trooplike a platoon.
  • 00:34:09.537 --> 00:34:11.973
  • It was very, very strict.
  • 00:34:11.973 --> 00:34:13.541
  • We had a boxing ring wheredifferences were settled,
  • 00:34:13.541 --> 00:34:17.478
  • like civilized young men.
  • 00:34:17.478 --> 00:34:19.380
  • They took us toa shooting range.
  • 00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:20.882
  • Can you imagine today?
  • 00:34:20.882 --> 00:34:23.217
  • They took us to a shootingrange, handed me a shotgun,
  • 00:34:23.217 --> 00:34:25.720
  • learn to shoot skeet,in the Boy Scouts.
  • 00:34:25.720 --> 00:34:28.122
  • Rivers, whitewater, two weekcamping trips in New Mexico.
  • 00:34:29.590 --> 00:34:34.495
  • First aid, consequent--,there wasn't a troop meeting
  • 00:34:35.897 --> 00:34:38.733
  • that I can think of wheresomebody didn't go home
  • 00:34:38.733 --> 00:34:40.735
  • with a sprained finger or abloody nose or loose tooth.
  • 00:34:40.735 --> 00:34:43.971
  • (laughing)
  • 00:34:43.971 --> 00:34:45.273
  • It was, it was awell-organized respectful gang
  • 00:34:45.273 --> 00:34:48.576
  • of young men in green uniforms.
  • 00:34:48.576 --> 00:34:50.711
  • And it changed my life.
  • 00:34:50.711 --> 00:34:52.013
  • And it all happened inthe church basement.
  • 00:34:52.013 --> 00:34:54.782
  • And so, and my first girlfriendsang in the choir, you know,
  • 00:34:54.782 --> 00:34:59.153
  • and I sang in the choirand my dad was a deacon
  • 00:34:59.153 --> 00:35:01.789
  • and my grandfather was an elderand my mom played the piano
  • 00:35:01.789 --> 00:35:05.426
  • and the church was, to me itwas just, it was always there.
  • 00:35:05.426 --> 00:35:09.830
  • It was in the neighborhood andit was just, it wasn't about,
  • 00:35:09.830 --> 00:35:13.201
  • "Oh no, it's Sunday", or,it's just, it's what you do.
  • 00:35:13.201 --> 00:35:16.837
  • - Speak on behalf of the voicesthat made you who you are.
  • 00:35:16.837 --> 00:35:21.842
  • Your grandparents, your ownparents, your, your father,
  • 00:35:23.511 --> 00:35:28.516
  • John and Peggy, yourmother, terrific people,
  • 00:35:29.650 --> 00:35:31.852
  • we know them personally.
  • 00:35:31.852 --> 00:35:34.322
  • We've spent timewith your mother.
  • 00:35:34.322 --> 00:35:36.591
  • Your mother is aterrific writer.
  • 00:35:36.591 --> 00:35:38.226
  • At 80 years old shebecame a New York Time
  • 00:35:38.226 --> 00:35:41.128
  • bestselling author.
  • 00:35:41.128 --> 00:35:42.196
  • - She's all right.
  • 00:35:42.196 --> 00:35:43.097
  • (laughing)
  • 00:35:43.097 --> 00:35:44.565
  • She's got a little full ofherself, if I'm being honest.
  • 00:35:44.565 --> 00:35:46.000
  • Agents, managers.
  • 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.402
  • - Two books on thebest sellers now.
  • 00:35:48.402 --> 00:35:49.604
  • - Yeah, twice a NewYork Times best seller.
  • 00:35:49.604 --> 00:35:51.839
  • - Bless you Peggy,that's amazing.
  • 00:35:51.839 --> 00:35:53.908
  • - You've got two brothersthat you used to fight with.
  • 00:35:53.908 --> 00:35:57.144
  • - Still do.- Still do?
  • 00:35:57.144 --> 00:35:58.279
  • - Oh yeah. Never cared for 'em.
  • 00:35:58.279 --> 00:36:00.214
  • (laughing)
  • 00:36:00.214 --> 00:36:02.450
  • It's not true, Ilove 'em, I love 'em.
  • 00:36:03.718 --> 00:36:05.086
  • - Oh my god.
  • 00:36:05.086 --> 00:36:05.853
  • It's not true, Ilove 'em, I love 'em.is hee
  • 00:36:06.087 --> 00:36:11.092
  • that made Mike Rowe, who he is.
  • 00:36:13.728 --> 00:36:16.464
  • When, when governorstell people of faith,
  • 00:36:16.464 --> 00:36:21.402
  • "You can't assemble, you can'tdo what you do, you can't--"
  • 00:36:21.402 --> 00:36:26.340
  • What, where in theworld, you know,
  • 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:30.711
  • is this coming from andhow does that affect?
  • 00:36:30.711 --> 00:36:33.347
  • Speak on behalf of yourheritage, you know?
  • 00:36:33.347 --> 00:36:36.050
  • - Well, it's a storyof men actually
  • 00:36:36.050 --> 00:36:38.185
  • with one notableexception, my mom,
  • 00:36:38.185 --> 00:36:40.821
  • who was the temperingforce in my life,
  • 00:36:40.821 --> 00:36:44.325
  • she by example that word andindeed influenced me greatly.
  • 00:36:44.325 --> 00:36:49.330
  • But, there's no way I'm sittinghere today without my dad,
  • 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.204
  • John Rowe, and mygrandfather, Carl Noble,
  • 00:36:58.306 --> 00:37:01.208
  • and the Scoutmaster Imentioned Glendon Huntington,
  • 00:37:01.208 --> 00:37:05.012
  • and a school teachernamed Fred King,
  • 00:37:05.012 --> 00:37:07.114
  • who taught music.
  • 00:37:07.114 --> 00:37:09.183
  • For men, who at any giventime, all acted like my dad,
  • 00:37:09.183 --> 00:37:14.188
  • and all acted like my friend,and all acted like a mentor
  • 00:37:15.623 --> 00:37:18.526
  • in so many different ways.
  • 00:37:19.393 --> 00:37:21.462
  • My Scoutmaster forcing meto put on boxing gloves
  • 00:37:21.462 --> 00:37:24.865
  • and figure it out.
  • 00:37:24.865 --> 00:37:26.701
  • Who, who does that today?
  • 00:37:26.701 --> 00:37:28.803
  • It doesn't happen.
  • 00:37:28.803 --> 00:37:30.304
  • You know, my dad and mygrandfather taking me back
  • 00:37:30.304 --> 00:37:33.674
  • into our woods when I wasvery young and introducing me
  • 00:37:33.674 --> 00:37:38.679
  • to the reality of chores andin our house chores meant,
  • 00:37:40.114 --> 00:37:43.284
  • you find the tree,you cut the tree down,
  • 00:37:43.284 --> 00:37:46.620
  • you cut the tree up into pieces,
  • 00:37:46.620 --> 00:37:48.656
  • you put the pieces ofthe tree into the cart,
  • 00:37:48.656 --> 00:37:51.792
  • you get in the MasseyFerguson and you drag the cart
  • 00:37:51.792 --> 00:37:54.328
  • a mile and a halfback to the woodshed.
  • 00:37:54.328 --> 00:37:57.565
  • You unload the cart,you split the wood,
  • 00:37:57.565 --> 00:38:00.201
  • "Chop your own wood",my grandfather said,
  • 00:38:01.369 --> 00:38:03.371
  • "It'll warm you twice."
  • 00:38:03.371 --> 00:38:05.873
  • Right?
  • 00:38:05.873 --> 00:38:07.108
  • And so forth, like thelessons in the woodpile,
  • 00:38:07.108 --> 00:38:09.710
  • the lessons with my grandfather,the lessons of going
  • 00:38:09.710 --> 00:38:13.714
  • into the woods andcoming back with the fuel
  • 00:38:13.714 --> 00:38:15.649
  • your family needs tobe warm in the winter.
  • 00:38:15.649 --> 00:38:18.152
  • Those things you,you don't teach, you,
  • 00:38:18.152 --> 00:38:20.688
  • you experience or you don't.
  • 00:38:20.688 --> 00:38:23.491
  • Fred King curing mystutter when I was 16,
  • 00:38:23.491 --> 00:38:27.428
  • Fred King tossing me the keysto his Lincoln continental
  • 00:38:27.428 --> 00:38:31.165
  • and asking me at 16 to drivehim to Lynchburg, Virginia,
  • 00:38:31.165 --> 00:38:36.070
  • this was a music teacher,to coach a chorus of women,
  • 00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:41.075
  • our sweet Adelinecourse of women.
  • 00:38:41.075 --> 00:38:43.110
  • The guy had been up fortwo days, he was tired.
  • 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:45.312
  • He gets in the backseat ofhis own Lincoln Continental
  • 00:38:45.312 --> 00:38:48.516
  • and goes to bed.
  • 00:38:48.516 --> 00:38:50.484
  • I got a three anda half hour drive.
  • 00:38:50.484 --> 00:38:52.653
  • I, have you ever drivena Lincoln continental?
  • 00:38:52.653 --> 00:38:55.322
  • (laughing)
  • 00:38:55.322 --> 00:38:56.257
  • It's like driving a dirigible.
  • 00:38:56.257 --> 00:38:58.626
  • It's just,
  • 00:38:58.626 --> 00:38:59.894
  • I'm just like this.
  • 00:38:59.894 --> 00:39:01.595
  • And I got a map,and he's snoring,
  • 00:39:01.595 --> 00:39:04.799
  • and I have to get my mentorthree and a half hours South.
  • 00:39:04.799 --> 00:39:08.169
  • So men trusted me in ways
  • 00:39:08.169 --> 00:39:12.807
  • that I worry a lotof young boys today
  • 00:39:12.807 --> 00:39:17.545
  • don't get challengedand trusted.
  • 00:39:17.545 --> 00:39:20.681
  • And I had, I had thatin spades growing up
  • 00:39:20.681 --> 00:39:24.351
  • and I was so lucky for it.
  • 00:39:24.351 --> 00:39:26.220
  • And I didn't appreciateit at all at the time.
  • 00:39:26.220 --> 00:39:28.989
  • But to answer yourquestion, yeah,
  • 00:39:28.989 --> 00:39:31.492
  • you look back at that andthen ask yourself today
  • 00:39:31.492 --> 00:39:35.796
  • what's what's goingon with fathers?
  • 00:39:35.796 --> 00:39:39.133
  • What's going on incommunities where 60, 70%
  • 00:39:39.133 --> 00:39:43.270
  • of the kids are being raisedwithout a father figure?
  • 00:39:44.672 --> 00:39:48.742
  • And what, whatchance do they have?
  • 00:39:48.742 --> 00:39:51.512
  • And how can you make an impact?
  • 00:39:51.512 --> 00:39:53.747
  • - With them.
  • 00:39:54.648 --> 00:39:56.083
  • It's one of thethings my foundation
  • 00:39:56.083 --> 00:39:57.284
  • is really thinkingabout doing right now
  • 00:39:57.284 --> 00:39:59.186
  • is trying to get intosome of these communities
  • 00:39:59.186 --> 00:40:01.722
  • and showing them that atrade represents a way out.
  • 00:40:01.722 --> 00:40:05.493
  • You know, so many ofthese communities,
  • 00:40:05.493 --> 00:40:07.695
  • all they see is sell drugsor become an athlete,
  • 00:40:07.695 --> 00:40:12.700
  • right?
  • 00:40:14.335 --> 00:40:15.169
  • I mean, that's it.
  • 00:40:15.169 --> 00:40:16.537
  • And so showing peoplepossibilities, challenging them,
  • 00:40:16.537 --> 00:40:21.108
  • all that matters.
  • 00:40:21.842 --> 00:40:23.077
  • - We're here inWestern Colorado.
  • 00:40:23.077 --> 00:40:24.111
  • Mike Rowe is our guest.
  • 00:40:24.111 --> 00:40:25.646
  • We're gonna have to landthe ship here in a second.
  • 00:40:25.646 --> 00:40:27.882
  • - You may land the plane, right?
  • 00:40:27.882 --> 00:40:29.483
  • - Yeah. What did I say?- See, you dock the ship,
  • 00:40:29.483 --> 00:40:32.019
  • you land the plane.- What'd I say?
  • 00:40:32.019 --> 00:40:32.987
  • - You said land the ship,
  • 00:40:32.987 --> 00:40:34.722
  • thereby conjuring upsome "Chitty ChittyBang Bang" device.
  • 00:40:34.722 --> 00:40:37.858
  • - Or maybe I believe in UFOs.
  • 00:40:37.858 --> 00:40:39.560
  • - Maybe you do.- You can land those.
  • 00:40:39.560 --> 00:40:40.861
  • - Oh, you want to staytuned for this, folks.
  • 00:40:40.861 --> 00:40:42.530
  • We're gonna go deep after this.
  • 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:44.798
  • Michael Finley.
  • 00:40:44.798 --> 00:40:46.600
  • - That's correct.
  • 00:40:46.600 --> 00:40:47.768
  • - And you're Grady?- Yes, sir.
  • 00:40:47.768 --> 00:40:48.569
  • - Mike. Alright.
  • 00:40:48.569 --> 00:40:49.803
  • How long you been here?
  • 00:40:49.803 --> 00:40:51.171
  • - I've been hereabout 2 1/2 years.
  • 00:40:51.171 --> 00:40:53.107
  • - Yeah?- Yeah.
  • 00:40:53.107 --> 00:40:53.941
  • - Going alright?
  • 00:40:53.941 --> 00:40:55.075
  • - Yeah. It's anawesome, awesome place.
  • 00:40:55.075 --> 00:40:56.443
  • We've got really good guys here
  • 00:40:56.443 --> 00:40:57.945
  • that the change I've seenin a lot of these guys,
  • 00:40:57.945 --> 00:41:00.080
  • it's truly amazing.
  • 00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:01.949
  • - How'd you find it?
  • 00:41:01.949 --> 00:41:03.450
  • - I was actually ina addictions program.
  • 00:41:03.450 --> 00:41:06.186
  • I was working in the wood shop,
  • 00:41:07.721 --> 00:41:09.890
  • struggling withdrugs and alcohol,
  • 00:41:09.890 --> 00:41:11.458
  • and then decided Iwanted to change my life
  • 00:41:11.458 --> 00:41:13.227
  • and kind of brought back somememories of my grandfather
  • 00:41:13.227 --> 00:41:15.863
  • And it was just funputting stuff together.
  • 00:41:15.863 --> 00:41:17.998
  • You know, taking oldbarn wood like this
  • 00:41:17.998 --> 00:41:19.800
  • and turn it into something new.
  • 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.102
  • - I get it.
  • 00:41:22.102 --> 00:41:23.304
  • Now where are wein the process now?
  • 00:41:23.304 --> 00:41:25.172
  • Now that it's dry, it's timeto make sure our tabletop
  • 00:41:25.172 --> 00:41:27.775
  • gets all evened out.
  • 00:41:27.775 --> 00:41:29.376
  • - Then we're going to startrunning the bottom through,
  • 00:41:29.376 --> 00:41:30.878
  • and getting it smooth and flat.
  • 00:41:30.878 --> 00:41:32.379
  • - This is called skip planing
  • 00:41:32.379 --> 00:41:34.014
  • so we're not takingit completely down,
  • 00:41:34.014 --> 00:41:35.649
  • but we are takingthe high spots off.
  • 00:41:35.649 --> 00:41:37.751
  • We realized that ourcustomers didn't like
  • 00:41:37.751 --> 00:41:40.220
  • super wavy tables.
  • 00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:41.622
  • They wanted it to be wipeable.
  • 00:41:41.622 --> 00:41:42.890
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:41:42.890 --> 00:41:45.259
  • - And just like that,I am back on the list
  • 00:41:45.259 --> 00:41:47.561
  • of approved power tool users.
  • 00:41:47.561 --> 00:41:49.997
  • (saw buzzing)
  • 00:41:49.997 --> 00:41:53.334
  • Using a clamp brace as a guide,
  • 00:41:53.334 --> 00:41:55.469
  • I cut our tabletop toits final dimensions.
  • 00:41:55.469 --> 00:41:57.638
  • (saw buzzing)
  • 00:41:57.638 --> 00:42:00.140
  • Look at that, my fingersnever left my hand.
  • 00:42:03.210 --> 00:42:06.780
  • A few spins around the tabletopwith a finishing sander
  • 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:09.750
  • and we are finally readyfor the piece de resistance.
  • 00:42:09.750 --> 00:42:12.519
  • The all-importantbranding of the table.
  • 00:42:14.722 --> 00:42:17.257
  • Right about there?
  • 00:42:17.257 --> 00:42:18.459
  • - Perfect.
  • 00:42:18.459 --> 00:42:19.627
  • (upbeat music)
  • 00:42:19.627 --> 00:42:22.363
  • You kinda wanna rock it
  • 00:42:22.363 --> 00:42:23.764
  • front and back, side to side.
  • 00:42:23.764 --> 00:42:25.332
  • Alright.
  • 00:42:27.501 --> 00:42:28.335
  • Perfect.
  • 00:42:30.471 --> 00:42:31.705
  • - See how I put the nailhole right in between?
  • 00:42:31.705 --> 00:42:34.475
  • - That's professional,right there.
  • 00:42:34.475 --> 00:42:36.377
  • Good job.- Thank you.
  • 00:42:36.377 --> 00:42:37.511
  • Finally, a tool I understand.
  • 00:42:38.379 --> 00:42:41.115
  • - I want you to speakon behalf of those
  • 00:42:41.115 --> 00:42:43.150
  • that made you who you are.
  • 00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:44.952
  • In relationship to those people,
  • 00:42:44.952 --> 00:42:47.988
  • what if a governorlooked at those four men
  • 00:42:47.988 --> 00:42:52.259
  • and said what youare and who you are,
  • 00:42:52.259 --> 00:42:55.496
  • and what you believein is no longer capable
  • 00:42:55.496 --> 00:42:59.533
  • for you to do?
  • 00:42:59.533 --> 00:43:01.001
  • The church your grandfatherbuilt cannot be occupied
  • 00:43:01.001 --> 00:43:05.305
  • for the purpose it was created.
  • 00:43:07.174 --> 00:43:09.243
  • So line up those four superimportant guys in your life,
  • 00:43:09.243 --> 00:43:14.214
  • and then realize agovernor has told them
  • 00:43:14.214 --> 00:43:17.084
  • what they can and can't do.
  • 00:43:17.084 --> 00:43:18.786
  • Speak on their behalf.
  • 00:43:18.786 --> 00:43:21.188
  • - I would simply apologizein advance to the governor
  • 00:43:22.656 --> 00:43:24.591
  • for the incrediblerebellion and...
  • 00:43:24.591 --> 00:43:27.628
  • - Okay, you're answeringthe question now.
  • 00:43:28.862 --> 00:43:30.998
  • - That's what I'm saying.
  • 00:43:30.998 --> 00:43:32.499
  • Well, if a governor toldmy grandfather he couldn't
  • 00:43:32.499 --> 00:43:35.169
  • go worship in thechurch he built,
  • 00:43:35.169 --> 00:43:37.905
  • what my granddad would do
  • 00:43:37.905 --> 00:43:39.173
  • is go to the churchhe built to worship.
  • 00:43:39.173 --> 00:43:42.042
  • It would just be a straightup active disobedience.
  • 00:43:42.042 --> 00:43:45.112
  • If a governor told myformer scout master
  • 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.949
  • that he couldn'thold a scout meeting
  • 00:43:48.949 --> 00:43:51.452
  • in that church basement, I mean,
  • 00:43:51.452 --> 00:43:53.687
  • to be reasonable regarding COVID
  • 00:43:53.687 --> 00:43:56.123
  • he probably would havesaid, "Okay, till when?"
  • 00:43:56.123 --> 00:44:01.128
  • And then the real answer,the really important answer
  • 00:44:02.563 --> 00:44:05.265
  • would either beforthcoming or it wouldn't.
  • 00:44:06.533 --> 00:44:09.203
  • If the governor can'ttell a guy like that,
  • 00:44:09.203 --> 00:44:14.208
  • by what metrics reopeningwill be established,
  • 00:44:15.576 --> 00:44:20.047
  • then they wouldreopen immediately.
  • 00:44:21.181 --> 00:44:22.649
  • Because they would seethat as a complete farce.
  • 00:44:22.649 --> 00:44:25.986
  • You can't shut down an economyor a church or a school.
  • 00:44:25.986 --> 00:44:30.958
  • It's one thing tobe able to say,
  • 00:44:32.126 --> 00:44:33.627
  • "Look, we don't know when it'sgoing to be safe to reopen."
  • 00:44:33.627 --> 00:44:37.631
  • That's one thing.
  • 00:44:37.631 --> 00:44:38.899
  • But it's another thing to say,
  • 00:44:38.899 --> 00:44:40.534
  • "We have no ideaunder what conditions
  • 00:44:40.534 --> 00:44:44.071
  • we're going to reopen."
  • 00:44:44.071 --> 00:44:45.739
  • That's something else.
  • 00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:47.641
  • Because it's very, veryhard to go backwards.
  • 00:44:47.641 --> 00:44:51.011
  • And I think that'swhat we're seeing now
  • 00:44:51.011 --> 00:44:52.613
  • in so many different States.
  • 00:44:52.613 --> 00:44:54.414
  • It's this stutter step.
  • 00:44:54.414 --> 00:44:56.517
  • Because we don't havea clear understanding
  • 00:44:56.517 --> 00:44:59.019
  • of what the world lookslike when we go back,
  • 00:44:59.019 --> 00:45:02.856
  • we don't go back.
  • 00:45:02.856 --> 00:45:04.992
  • And so to me, that'ssomething you file
  • 00:45:04.992 --> 00:45:09.997
  • under that which isscreamingly obvious.
  • 00:45:11.198 --> 00:45:14.168
  • You don't shut a thing downand not immediately come back
  • 00:45:14.168 --> 00:45:18.472
  • with an explanationof how you're going
  • 00:45:18.472 --> 00:45:20.474
  • to flip the switch back.
  • 00:45:20.474 --> 00:45:22.442
  • The mistake I believewe made as a country
  • 00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:27.414
  • was to accept that.
  • 00:45:27.414 --> 00:45:29.349
  • And again, I'm notpreaching insurrection.
  • 00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:31.185
  • I'm just saying, "Wait,it's well and good and wise
  • 00:45:31.185 --> 00:45:34.154
  • to lock things down whenyou have to get your head
  • 00:45:34.154 --> 00:45:38.258
  • around the realityof what's happening,
  • 00:45:38.258 --> 00:45:41.528
  • but with every passing day,
  • 00:45:41.528 --> 00:45:43.931
  • if you don't havea plan to reenter,
  • 00:45:43.931 --> 00:45:46.700
  • you're not gonna reenter."
  • 00:45:46.700 --> 00:45:48.168
  • And I think all the menthat I mentioned in my life
  • 00:45:48.168 --> 00:45:51.672
  • would be hardwired toimmediately get to that place.
  • 00:45:51.672 --> 00:45:55.442
  • They're verycommon-sensical people.
  • 00:45:55.442 --> 00:45:57.377
  • - I look back on my dadof the way, you know,
  • 00:45:57.377 --> 00:46:01.548
  • all of the hard knocks thathe went through, my mom,
  • 00:46:01.548 --> 00:46:04.351
  • they were just toughpeople, you know?
  • 00:46:04.351 --> 00:46:07.054
  • They were just really focused,hardcore, tough people.
  • 00:46:07.054 --> 00:46:11.058
  • And I wonder, are we a shadow
  • 00:46:11.058 --> 00:46:16.063
  • of that generation?
  • 00:46:16.797 --> 00:46:17.764
  • Mike, I fear thatsometimes, you know,
  • 00:46:19.466 --> 00:46:23.470
  • a good old world war, you know,our parents and grandparents
  • 00:46:23.470 --> 00:46:28.175
  • were the age that theygot on ships and went
  • 00:46:28.175 --> 00:46:31.678
  • and fought back the worstof everything there is.
  • 00:46:31.678 --> 00:46:34.114
  • And are we sitting hererepresenting a shadow
  • 00:46:34.114 --> 00:46:38.018
  • of your grandfather'sgeneration?
  • 00:46:38.018 --> 00:46:39.786
  • - I hope not.
  • 00:46:40.721 --> 00:46:41.989
  • I hope that World WarII was a crucible.
  • 00:46:41.989 --> 00:46:45.926
  • So was the First World War.
  • 00:46:45.926 --> 00:46:47.728
  • So was the Spanish pandemic.
  • 00:46:47.728 --> 00:46:49.963
  • So were so many toughtimes, you know?
  • 00:46:49.963 --> 00:46:53.600
  • Through adversitycomes greatness.
  • 00:46:54.768 --> 00:46:56.270
  • The GreatestGeneration came through
  • 00:46:56.270 --> 00:46:57.938
  • the most adversive times.
  • 00:46:57.938 --> 00:47:00.340
  • I don't know how adversethese times will become,
  • 00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:03.377
  • but you can see, you know,
  • 00:47:03.377 --> 00:47:05.412
  • when you're in the middleof the storm, you know,
  • 00:47:05.412 --> 00:47:07.848
  • when you look aroundat the headlines
  • 00:47:07.848 --> 00:47:09.249
  • and you can see the protesting,you can see the rioting,
  • 00:47:09.249 --> 00:47:12.819
  • two different things,you can see the looting,
  • 00:47:12.819 --> 00:47:14.388
  • you can see the unrest,you see all these things
  • 00:47:14.388 --> 00:47:17.157
  • and it feels novel,
  • 00:47:17.157 --> 00:47:20.560
  • but it's not.
  • 00:47:21.561 --> 00:47:22.663
  • We've been here before.
  • 00:47:22.663 --> 00:47:24.264
  • And I wonder if the GreatestGeneration felt great
  • 00:47:24.264 --> 00:47:27.901
  • when they were doingwhat they were doing.
  • 00:47:27.901 --> 00:47:29.937
  • I wonder if it's onlyin the fullness of time
  • 00:47:29.937 --> 00:47:33.707
  • that you getperspective and context.
  • 00:47:34.708 --> 00:47:38.779
  • I don't know, but Ido believe, you know,
  • 00:47:38.779 --> 00:47:42.916
  • when we look back on 2020,10 or 15 years from now,
  • 00:47:42.916 --> 00:47:47.187
  • we'll see with clarity,who was correct,
  • 00:47:49.389 --> 00:47:52.693
  • who was precipitous,who was incorrect,
  • 00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:56.930
  • who was haughty, who wasright, and who was wrong.
  • 00:47:56.930 --> 00:48:00.701
  • It's really, you know,
  • 00:48:00.701 --> 00:48:02.502
  • it's not gonna be nearlyas confusing in the future
  • 00:48:04.204 --> 00:48:07.374
  • as it is right now.
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  • But of course it never is.
  • 00:48:08.342 --> 00:48:09.576
  • - Well, then I'msimply asking you
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  • to prophesize at this point.
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  • 'Cause I'm asking youfor the answers now,
  • 00:48:12.546 --> 00:48:16.249
  • not 20 years from now.
  • 00:48:16.249 --> 00:48:17.484
  • I might be able toknow them by myself,
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  • but I have you here now
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  • and I'm asking forthe answers now
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  • is kinda what's happening.- Got it.
  • 00:48:23.423 --> 00:48:25.459
  • Okay. so then I wouldsay, yes, we are a shadow
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  • of our forefathers.
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  • And I think part of thereason we're diminished,
  • 00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:36.937
  • to go back to yourearlier question,
  • 00:48:36.937 --> 00:48:39.306
  • is because we no longer demand
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  • the way the men inmy life would have
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  • to be persuaded.
  • 00:48:46.780 --> 00:48:48.882
  • Make a persuasive case.
  • 00:48:48.882 --> 00:48:51.818
  • I'm okay with beingwrong, you know?
  • 00:48:51.818 --> 00:48:54.287
  • And you can talkme into something
  • 00:48:54.287 --> 00:48:56.923
  • if you're persuasive.
  • 00:48:56.923 --> 00:48:58.291
  • I really believe Ihave an open mind
  • 00:48:58.291 --> 00:49:00.827
  • and I know my mentors did,
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  • but the onus is onyou, the government,
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  • to persuade me.
  • 00:49:06.566 --> 00:49:09.136
  • And I'll give you acertain amount of leeway.
  • 00:49:09.136 --> 00:49:11.204
  • The more extraordinarythe circumstances,
  • 00:49:11.204 --> 00:49:13.306
  • the more leeway you get.
  • 00:49:13.306 --> 00:49:14.708
  • These are extraordinarycircumstances,
  • 00:49:14.708 --> 00:49:16.777
  • but you don't getunlimited time.
  • 00:49:16.777 --> 00:49:19.079
  • You don't get to soundcertain all of the time.
  • 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.416
  • You don't get to change yourmind every couple of days
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  • and still have my trust.
  • 00:49:26.153 --> 00:49:27.988
  • - You don't get to be earnest,
  • 00:49:28.588 --> 00:49:30.657
  • perpetually earnestand yet wrong,
  • 00:49:30.657 --> 00:49:34.895
  • without expecting in me anew level of skepticism.
  • 00:49:34.895 --> 00:49:39.900
  • So look, I'm still fundamentallyan optimistic person.
  • 00:49:41.568 --> 00:49:46.573
  • I don't think I'm cynical,
  • 00:49:46.740 --> 00:49:48.675
  • but I am a skepticin many things.
  • 00:49:48.675 --> 00:49:50.811
  • And I have, as a resultof the coronavirus,
  • 00:49:50.811 --> 00:49:55.048
  • found myself insistingthat the people
  • 00:49:55.048 --> 00:49:58.685
  • who sound the most certainbe more persuasive.
  • 00:49:58.685 --> 00:50:03.290
  • I don't need a finger shookat me, I don't need it.
  • 00:50:03.290 --> 00:50:07.027
  • If I want a sermon,I'll go to church.
  • 00:50:07.027 --> 00:50:08.895
  • If I want a lecture,I'll go back to school.
  • 00:50:08.895 --> 00:50:12.199
  • What I want fromthe people on my TV,
  • 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.935
  • whether they're electedofficials or journalists
  • 00:50:14.935 --> 00:50:17.804
  • or doctors ispersuasion, not dogma.
  • 00:50:17.804 --> 00:50:22.209
  • - Laurie and I, and TBN's,
  • 00:50:23.143 --> 00:50:25.345
  • our story of COVID is shehas sat in this studio
  • 00:50:25.345 --> 00:50:29.783
  • and probably produced 50half-hour episodes, minimally.
  • 00:50:29.783 --> 00:50:34.454
  • We have not let oneprime-time segment come and go
  • 00:50:34.454 --> 00:50:39.459
  • in this entire COVIDera without specifically
  • 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.965
  • creating content withthis season that we're in,
  • 00:50:44.965 --> 00:50:49.269
  • the loss of jobs, thecivil unrest, all that.
  • 00:50:49.269 --> 00:50:52.973
  • She has done moretelevision in this season
  • 00:50:52.973 --> 00:50:57.978
  • than maybe the last couple ofyears combined, she has done.
  • 00:50:59.446 --> 00:51:03.150
  • - May I, how doesthat make you feel?
  • 00:51:04.317 --> 00:51:08.421
  • Because you don't haveto do any of this.
  • 00:51:08.421 --> 00:51:10.657
  • You chose to do that.
  • 00:51:10.657 --> 00:51:12.192
  • So where are you nowhaving done it, mentally?
  • 00:51:12.192 --> 00:51:16.496
  • - Well, I think wejust made a decision.
  • 00:51:16.496 --> 00:51:19.466
  • He kept looking at mesaying you will regret
  • 00:51:19.466 --> 00:51:23.069
  • if you don't stay currentand keep going with this.
  • 00:51:23.069 --> 00:51:28.041
  • Because the formatcompletely changed,
  • 00:51:29.209 --> 00:51:31.044
  • of "Better Together" you know?
  • 00:51:31.044 --> 00:51:32.579
  • - Into the boxes ratherthan sitting together.
  • 00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:33.680
  • - Into the boxes.
  • 00:51:33.680 --> 00:51:35.182
  • And it's hard, 'causeon Zoom calls and stuff,
  • 00:51:35.182 --> 00:51:39.819
  • everyone talks at the same time
  • 00:51:39.819 --> 00:51:41.121
  • and it's bad andyou get cut out.
  • 00:51:41.121 --> 00:51:42.989
  • And so we had to start gettingdisciplined in the way,
  • 00:51:42.989 --> 00:51:45.859
  • you know, you getfive girls together.
  • 00:51:45.859 --> 00:51:47.794
  • We had to disciplineourselves to talk in turn.
  • 00:51:47.794 --> 00:51:50.096
  • - Oh I know.
  • 00:51:50.096 --> 00:51:51.631
  • - It's like whenwe're alone together.
  • 00:51:51.631 --> 00:51:53.934
  • We kinda talk over eachother all the time.
  • 00:51:53.934 --> 00:51:55.202
  • - The guys actuallylike us in the box.
  • 00:51:55.202 --> 00:51:56.536
  • (all laugh)
  • 00:51:56.536 --> 00:51:57.470
  • - Yeah, get back in the box.
  • 00:51:57.470 --> 00:51:58.471
  • - Yeah, get back inyour box (laughs).
  • 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.241
  • - We can hear you betterwhen you're in the boxes.
  • 00:52:01.241 --> 00:52:03.977
  • - But you know what?
  • 00:52:03.977 --> 00:52:05.478
  • You either are being told whatto do in your circumstances,
  • 00:52:05.478 --> 00:52:08.982
  • or you tell your circumstanceswhat to do, I believe.
  • 00:52:08.982 --> 00:52:11.985
  • And it's just, yeah...
  • 00:52:12.886 --> 00:52:16.556
  • You're either controlledby it or you control it.
  • 00:52:16.556 --> 00:52:19.159
  • - Right.- And that's
  • 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:20.126
  • what we just decided to do.
  • 00:52:20.126 --> 00:52:21.494
  • Circumstances arenot gonna control us
  • 00:52:21.494 --> 00:52:24.030
  • or the way we do ourprogramming or do our stuff.
  • 00:52:24.030 --> 00:52:27.367
  • We are going tocontrol circumstances.
  • 00:52:27.367 --> 00:52:29.936
  • And I believeeveryone has the power
  • 00:52:29.936 --> 00:52:32.072
  • inside of you to do that.
  • 00:52:32.072 --> 00:52:34.441
  • - Well, there you go.
  • 00:52:34.441 --> 00:52:35.742
  • She actually answeredyour question to me
  • 00:52:35.742 --> 00:52:37.444
  • better than I did, so great.
  • 00:52:37.444 --> 00:52:39.379
  • You both have an amazingfuture in this business,
  • 00:52:39.379 --> 00:52:42.749
  • if you decide-- To stick to it.
  • 00:52:42.749 --> 00:52:45.318
  • - To stick with it.
  • 00:52:45.318 --> 00:52:46.152
  • - I'm glad TV exists,'cause I was born in it,
  • 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.490
  • and if it goes away, I don'tknow how to do anything else.
  • 00:52:50.490 --> 00:52:53.126
  • - We're out of a job.
  • 00:52:53.126 --> 00:52:54.561
  • - Mike, just land the plane.
  • 00:52:54.561 --> 00:52:58.965
  • We are kind of out of time,
  • 00:53:00.100 --> 00:53:02.969
  • but I wanna give yousome extra credit minute,
  • 00:53:02.969 --> 00:53:05.772
  • just to give some people that
  • 00:53:05.772 --> 00:53:08.275
  • maybe are in thesame boat you're in,
  • 00:53:14.447 --> 00:53:17.884
  • they're looking forsomeone to encourage them,
  • 00:53:17.884 --> 00:53:21.921
  • they're looking for someoneto show common sense,
  • 00:53:21.921 --> 00:53:26.559
  • to display theguts that you know
  • 00:53:27.727 --> 00:53:30.597
  • your grandparents hadand your own parents
  • 00:53:30.597 --> 00:53:34.601
  • and your scout masterand your music teacher.
  • 00:53:34.601 --> 00:53:37.671
  • Those were peoplein an era with guts.
  • 00:53:37.671 --> 00:53:41.241
  • And sometimes they tuned tothis channel to just hear
  • 00:53:41.241 --> 00:53:44.978
  • somebody say something thathas a little bit of guts.
  • 00:53:44.978 --> 00:53:47.414
  • - Courage, encouragement.- You know?
  • 00:53:47.414 --> 00:53:50.216
  • - Wow, well I would say early on
  • 00:53:50.216 --> 00:53:53.953
  • with "Dirty Jobs" oneof the big lessons was
  • 00:53:53.953 --> 00:53:56.856
  • don't avoid theuncomfortable thing.
  • 00:53:56.856 --> 00:53:59.125
  • Comfort is this thing thatI think we all kinda crave
  • 00:54:01.728 --> 00:54:06.733
  • and would all gravitate toward,
  • 00:54:07.600 --> 00:54:08.902
  • but the road to itis uncomfortable.
  • 00:54:10.270 --> 00:54:13.873
  • It has to be, otherwiseit wouldn't be a road.
  • 00:54:13.873 --> 00:54:16.109
  • There would be noneed to journey.
  • 00:54:16.109 --> 00:54:17.610
  • You would just be comfortableand sit there on your couch
  • 00:54:17.610 --> 00:54:19.412
  • and you'd be done with it.
  • 00:54:19.412 --> 00:54:20.647
  • I don't think we'rein the same boat.
  • 00:54:20.647 --> 00:54:22.582
  • I think we're in the same storm.
  • 00:54:22.582 --> 00:54:24.984
  • - Yeah.- Okay.
  • 00:54:24.984 --> 00:54:25.919
  • - And your boat may vary.
  • 00:54:25.919 --> 00:54:30.123
  • Maybe your boat has abunch of kids in it,
  • 00:54:30.123 --> 00:54:32.492
  • and you're in a small house.
  • 00:54:32.492 --> 00:54:34.361
  • Maybe you're alone in your boat.
  • 00:54:34.361 --> 00:54:37.831
  • And maybe that lonelinesscuts like a knife.
  • 00:54:37.831 --> 00:54:42.235
  • Maybe you're just frustrated,
  • 00:54:42.235 --> 00:54:44.571
  • because you're watching the news
  • 00:54:44.571 --> 00:54:47.407
  • and all you see are instancesof man's inhumanity to man.
  • 00:54:47.407 --> 00:54:52.412
  • Well, stop doing thatbecause there are
  • 00:54:53.546 --> 00:54:55.648
  • a lot of things you can look at.
  • 00:54:55.648 --> 00:54:58.084
  • I'm not saying putyour head in the sand.
  • 00:54:58.084 --> 00:55:00.286
  • I'm saying that in allthings, there is a balance.
  • 00:55:00.286 --> 00:55:03.890
  • And right now, I believewe're out of balance
  • 00:55:03.890 --> 00:55:08.395
  • with regard to ourcollective fear,
  • 00:55:08.395 --> 00:55:11.364
  • as juxtaposed with theactual risk at hand.
  • 00:55:11.364 --> 00:55:16.069
  • I don't know if thatbrings you comfort or not.
  • 00:55:17.437 --> 00:55:21.074
  • But I do know that in the end,
  • 00:55:21.074 --> 00:55:24.344
  • this will certainlypass, as all things do.
  • 00:55:24.344 --> 00:55:27.947
  • - Do you feel likewe're done with this?
  • 00:55:30.483 --> 00:55:31.718
  • - I feel like Ilanded the plane,
  • 00:55:31.718 --> 00:55:32.585
  • or as you would say,landed the ship.
  • 00:55:32.585 --> 00:55:33.286
  • This show is in the can.
  • 00:55:34.354 --> 00:55:35.789
  • And I would like to onceagain thank our amazing hosts
  • 00:55:35.789 --> 00:55:38.391
  • for having this mediocreguest on yet again,
  • 00:55:38.391 --> 00:55:41.594
  • to wax eloquent,wander out of my lane,
  • 00:55:41.594 --> 00:55:45.432
  • get a tad ahead of my skis,
  • 00:55:45.432 --> 00:55:47.133
  • but do my best to answeryour trenchant questions.
  • 00:55:47.133 --> 00:55:51.738
  • Thank you, Matt,thank you, Laurie.
  • 00:55:51.738 --> 00:55:53.473
  • - I think it's overyour skis, but.
  • 00:55:54.774 --> 00:55:57.110
  • - [Mike] Of course it is!
  • 00:55:58.111 --> 00:55:59.345