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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Joyce Meyer.

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  • - female announcer: Tonight
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  • from Palm Beach, Florida,
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  • Joyce Meyer shares how to be
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  • in the perfect will of God.
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  • - Joyce Meyer: Bringing
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  • anything through to
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  • the finish is hard.
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  • There's no doubt about it.
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  • - Joyce: Preparation
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  • comes before promotion.
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  • Sometimes, we're ready
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  • but even sometimes people
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  • that are gonna need to work
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  • with you aren't ready.
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  • - Joyce: When you can learn
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  • what God's grace is on and what
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  • it's not, that is one of
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  • the best ways to know whether or
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  • not you're in the will of God.
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  • - Matt Crouch: We
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  • welcome you to "Praise."
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  • Today, we are in South Florida.
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  • It's beautiful.
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  • We welcome you wherever you're
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  • watching around the world.
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  • Our guest is Joyce Meyer, and
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  • we're talking about a subject
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  • today called "Finishing Well."
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  • Okay, that's a big subject.
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  • for "Finishing Well"?
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  • What's our big subject here?
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  • - Joyce: Well, I think what
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  • we could start with is to say
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  • it really doesn't take much
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  • character, much effort, much
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  • But there's always a middle
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  • before you get to the end.
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  • And usually it's in the middle
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  • when people give up.
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  • And I was really affected many
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  • years ago by John 17:4 when
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  • Jesus said, "Father, glorify
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  • me now for I have completed
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  • the work that you have
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  • given me to do."
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  • And actually, when I read
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  • it I started to cry.
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  • And I thought,
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  • "God, that's what I wanna do."
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  • I wanna finish; I don't wanna
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  • just start.
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  • I don't wanna give up
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  • in the middle.
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  • I wanna finish.
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  • And, you know, this can be
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  • anything from owning your own
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  • business to a worldwide ministry
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  • to cleaning out the closet,
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  • you know?
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  • It can be a very practical
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  • message, not just, you know,
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  • a real spiritual one.
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  • I mean, for example, how
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  • many--if we just ask the
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  • audience, how many pieces of
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  • exercise equipment do you own
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  • that you never use?
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  • They say that 60% of people who
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  • have a gym membership never
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  • show up.
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  • - Matt: Oh my goodness.
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  • - Joyce: And so it's like
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  • the--and the only way we can
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  • finish is if we count the cost
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  • before we get started.
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  • So I think there's a lot of good
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  • things to say.
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  • You know, a lot of people like
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  • us that get asked to speak
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  • places and do things, you get to
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  • a point, I mean, in the
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  • beginning you're so desperate to
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  • do anything you'll take anything
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  • that comes in but, you know, if
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  • it works well and you have more
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  • and more opportunities then
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  • eventually you have--you can't
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  • say "Yes" to everything because
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  • you'll kill yourself if you do.
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  • And I remember asking Darlene
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  • Zschech one time, "How do
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  • you--how do you know what to say
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  • 'Yes' to and what to say
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  • 'No' to?"
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  • And she said something that has
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  • really helped me.
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  • She said, "Before I say 'Yes' to
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  • anything, I think through in my
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  • mind what is it gonna take for
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  • me to do that."
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  • So when you think
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  • through how easy it is
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  • when somebody says, you know,
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  • "Would you come to my church and
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  • preach," or whatever.
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  • Somebody says, "Can you watch my
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  • kids Friday night?"
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  • You know, whatever it is.
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  • You know, I have to think
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  • through, okay, I'm gonna have
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  • air flights, I'm gonna need to
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  • pack, I'll need to unpack, you
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  • know, your--there's a lot--you
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  • know, you have to think.
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  • And Jesus actually said, "Count
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  • the cost, the cost of
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  • discipleship."
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  • The reason why a lot
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  • of people never become
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  • really, really strong in their
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  • walk with God is because they
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  • don't wanna pay the price
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  • to get there.
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  • And so there's a great benefit
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  • on the other side but there's
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  • too many things that people
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  • start and never finish.
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  • And I think that you just have
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  • to make your mind up in the
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  • beginning, set your mind that
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  • you're not just gonna start,
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  • you're gonna finish.
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  • Now, sometimes we start things
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  • and we find out, well, it's
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  • really not God.
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  • And when that's the case, then
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  • just say so.
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  • "I thought it was right.
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  • Wasn't God.
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  • I'm gonna learn from this,"
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  • and go on.
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  • But I wanna see a lot more
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  • finishers.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: Yes, I'm still
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  • stuck on the cleaning your
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  • closet.
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  • - Matt: I was about to say, the
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  • closet thing is--was a word of
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  • the Lord, by the way.
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  • Yeah, that was prophetic.
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  • - Joyce: Yeah, I'm hearing from
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  • God.
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  • - Matt: Yeah, not to me.
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  • For her.
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  • Okay, so what we're talking
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  • about today is "Finishing Well."
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  • So if we finish well, then I
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  • think it might be good--do you
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  • mind telling everybody how old
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  • you are?
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  • - Joyce: I'm 74.
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  • - Matt: Okay, you're 74.
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  • You didn't answer the question,
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  • "Did you mind?"
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  • - Joyce: Oh well, I don't
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  • really mind.
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  • - Matt: Okay, good.
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  • Don't "really" mind.
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  • I know something about Joyce.
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  • Don't ever park in her driveway
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  • and block her car in.
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  • Never do that, okay?
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  • Note to self.
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  • Okay, so your last book,
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  • we did an entire episode
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  • on "Unshakeable Trust."
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  • That book is still her current
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  • book.
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  • It's right now in stores.
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  • It's also available by
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  • call--we're not talking about
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  • that as much today, but we're
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  • talking about "Finishing Well."
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  • So you're 74.
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  • You've been married how many
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  • years?
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  • - Joyce: Fifty.
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  • - Matt: Fifty years.
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  • So you get--that's a badge of
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  • honor in regard to--
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  • - Matt: Getting to address
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  • this subject and to mean it.
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  • The Bible definition of 70
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  • years--I wrote a card for my dad
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  • when he turned 70 and I went
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  • through and I did a real study
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  • on 70 and that God promises
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  • 70 years to the righteous
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  • and this and that.
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  • There's so many great things
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  • about 70.
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  • And when you get on the other
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  • side of that 70 number, we
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  • should listen, okay?
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  • So how do you want us to listen,
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  • the viewers to listen?
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  • And we're talking about
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  • everything from cleaning out a
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  • closet, doing a garage project,
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  • you know, losing weight.
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  • By the way, you know that a
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  • personal friend of mine invented
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  • the Gut Buster.
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  • And there are 20 million of
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  • those in some people's--
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  • - Laurie: Probably sitting
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  • around in some--
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  • - Matt: Garages and attics.
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  • You know, Gut Busters, oh my
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  • God.
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  • Hello, Rick, nice to see--I
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  • haven't thought about you in
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  • a while.
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  • And so basically we're talking
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  • about a big subject but you get
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  • to address it because you are in
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  • this stage of finishing well.
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  • So please, how do you wanna--how
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  • do you want us to--just kind of
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  • Obi-Wan Kenobi us for a while,
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  • so.
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  • - Joyce: Well, you know, I
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  • think in order to even talk
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  • about finishing well and what it
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  • takes, what's really required,
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  • you have to have been doing
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  • something for a period of time.
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  • So, yes, by this point, 42
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  • years-plus teaching the Word of
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  • God, started in the basement of
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  • my home.
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  • Now I have a amazing building,
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  • all paid for and offices all
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  • around the world and, you know,
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  • started with a handful of people
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  • and, you know, now I get to be
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  • on television all over the world
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  • in 90-plus languages and so,
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  • yes, I'm living my dream.
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  • I wouldn't even know how to tell
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  • anybody what it's taken.
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  • That's why when somebody judges
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  • me, you just wanna say--it's
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  • almost funny.
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  • It's like, I mean, it's like,
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  • you don't even have a clue what
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  • you're talking about.
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  • You look at something now and
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  • you wanna judge it and have an
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  • opinion about it and you have no
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  • idea what it's cost me to be
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  • where I'm at now.
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  • - Laurie: Judging your harvest.
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  • - Joyce: Yeah, judging your
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  • harvest.
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  • Judging your heart.
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  • - Laurie: Judge your fruit!
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  • - Joyce: Judging you because
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  • you've got a nice outfit or, you
  • 00:08:09.150 --> 00:08:10.260
  • know, you've got a nice home or
  • 00:08:10.260 --> 00:08:12.090
  • whatever the case might be.
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  • It's--why do we feel that we
  • 00:08:14.050 --> 00:08:16.010
  • have to have an opinion where we
  • 00:08:16.010 --> 00:08:17.280
  • have no responsibility?
  • 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:19.090
  • I mean, everybody's so
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  • full--anyway, that's another
  • 00:08:21.190 --> 00:08:23.070
  • whole subject.
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  • - Matt: You got a little fired
  • 00:08:23.270 --> 00:08:24.190
  • up about that.
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  • There's a little spark in your
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  • eye there.
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  • - Joyce: I hate to see people
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  • do it to anybody.
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  • You know, it's so easy to judge
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  • somebody when you don't know
  • 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.140
  • their heart, you don't know
  • 00:08:34.140 --> 00:08:35.100
  • anything--anyway, to get from
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  • where I started, having been
  • 00:08:37.100 --> 00:08:38.200
  • abused by my father, and my
  • 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.030
  • mother abandoned me in the
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  • situation, knew what was
  • 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:43.160
  • happening, didn't do anything
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  • about it.
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  • And when you talk about, you
  • 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.120
  • know, trusting God, I was born
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  • again when I was 9 years old.
  • 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:52.150
  • I received Christ in a little
  • 00:08:52.150 --> 00:08:53.190
  • church with some relatives
  • 00:08:56.090 --> 00:08:57.110
  • 'cause my dad wasn't doing any
  • 00:08:57.110 --> 00:08:58.220
  • church.
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  • And I prayed that God would
  • 00:08:59.190 --> 00:09:01.160
  • deliver me and get me out of
  • 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:03.200
  • that situation.
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  • But he didn't.
  • 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:06.010
  • He didn't get me out of it.
  • 00:09:06.010 --> 00:09:07.120
  • And the thing is, as you know,
  • 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.050
  • God gives authority to people
  • 00:09:10.050 --> 00:09:11.250
  • and my mom and dad had authority
  • 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:13.230
  • and as long as they were not
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  • gonna make the right decisions,
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  • God gives people choice.
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  • He's not gonna make them make
  • 00:09:18.110 --> 00:09:19.290
  • the right decision but when I
  • 00:09:19.290 --> 00:09:21.230
  • choices and put my trust in God,
  • 00:09:24.050 --> 00:09:26.120
  • then nobody can keep me from
  • 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.260
  • having victory because I was
  • 00:09:28.260 --> 00:09:30.170
  • making my own choices.
  • 00:09:30.170 --> 00:09:31.240
  • And that's so important for
  • 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:32.290
  • people to remember that are
  • 00:09:32.290 --> 00:09:33.290
  • hurting.
  • 00:09:33.290 --> 00:09:34.190
  • You know, right now maybe you're
  • 00:09:34.190 --> 00:09:36.080
  • in a situation you can't do
  • 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:37.120
  • anything about but listen.
  • 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.010
  • When you start making right
  • 00:09:39.010 --> 00:09:40.070
  • choices and you start
  • 00:09:40.070 --> 00:09:41.110
  • consistently doing what God
  • 00:09:41.110 --> 00:09:43.210
  • wants you to do, you are on your
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  • way.
  • 00:09:45.130 --> 00:09:46.030
  • And I think anytime that you're
  • 00:09:46.030 --> 00:09:47.150
  • gonna finish well, you have to
  • 00:09:47.150 --> 00:09:49.080
  • have consistency.
  • 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.290
  • And I, you know, I believe
  • 00:09:49.290 --> 00:09:51.280
  • that--I mean, I've done
  • 00:09:51.280 --> 00:09:53.280
  • thousands and thousands of
  • 00:09:53.280 --> 00:09:56.020
  • meetings, everything from I
  • 00:09:56.020 --> 00:09:57.180
  • remember one meeting we had nine
  • 00:09:57.180 --> 00:09:59.000
  • people and I took five of them
  • 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.020
  • with me, you know, to--
  • 00:10:00.020 --> 00:10:01.240
  • - Laurie: "I brought
  • 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.100
  • five of 'em."
  • 00:10:03.100 --> 00:10:04.290
  • [laughing]
  • 00:10:04.290 --> 00:10:06.090
  • - Joyce: So, I mean, I know
  • 00:10:06.090 --> 00:10:07.180
  • what it's like, you know, to
  • 00:10:07.180 --> 00:10:08.250
  • even feel like you're preaching
  • 00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:10.000
  • to the dead, you know, because
  • 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.110
  • some places you go, I mean,
  • 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:12.170
  • they're just like...and you're,
  • 00:10:12.170 --> 00:10:14.020
  • like, "Oh, please could you just
  • 00:10:14.020 --> 00:10:15.130
  • smile?
  • 00:10:15.130 --> 00:10:16.030
  • Could you do something?"
  • 00:10:16.030 --> 00:10:17.090
  • And so, yes, we have lots of
  • 00:10:17.090 --> 00:10:20.000
  • victory now but it hasn't always
  • 00:10:20.110 --> 00:10:23.110
  • been that way.
  • 00:10:23.110 --> 00:10:24.100
  • And we had to go through those
  • 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:26.000
  • things and keep on going.
  • 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.200
  • I've got you laughing now.
  • 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:29.210
  • - Matt: Yeah, yeah, I'm a
  • 00:10:29.210 --> 00:10:30.110
  • little bit tickled but go ahead.
  • 00:10:30.110 --> 00:10:31.210
  • I'll chill.
  • 00:10:31.210 --> 00:10:32.160
  • - Joyce: What, you got a story
  • 00:10:32.160 --> 00:10:34.200
  • to share?
  • 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.100
  • - Matt: Ah well, look, the idea
  • 00:10:36.100 --> 00:10:38.250
  • that you are--you took a level
  • 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:44.100
  • higher in your intensity when
  • 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.060
  • you started talking about this
  • 00:10:46.060 --> 00:10:48.210
  • subject.
  • 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:49.110
  • This is really something that's
  • 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:50.040
  • meaningful to you.
  • 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:51.070
  • Finishing well is what we're
  • 00:10:51.070 --> 00:10:52.090
  • talking about, but the idea that
  • 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:55.090
  • this consistency thing that
  • 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:57.000
  • you're going through, okay,
  • 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.000
  • continue.
  • 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:58.290
  • You had nine people in the car,
  • 00:10:58.290 --> 00:11:00.150
  • you brought five with you, go--
  • 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:01.240
  • - Joyce: Well, it's like, I'm
  • 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.140
  • not sitting here today because
  • 00:11:03.140 --> 00:11:06.000
  • I've made one or two right
  • 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.050
  • choices.
  • 00:11:07.050 --> 00:11:07.250
  • You know, I had such an
  • 00:11:07.250 --> 00:11:09.110
  • unbelievable mess in my life,
  • 00:11:09.140 --> 00:11:12.140
  • just like a lot of people do
  • 00:11:12.140 --> 00:11:13.150
  • that are watching right now.
  • 00:11:13.150 --> 00:11:15.110
  • I mean, maybe you're a physical
  • 00:11:15.190 --> 00:11:18.190
  • mess, you know.
  • 00:11:18.190 --> 00:11:19.090
  • Maybe you need to get your
  • 00:11:19.090 --> 00:11:20.040
  • health in shape.
  • 00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:20.270
  • Maybe--you could be a lot of
  • 00:11:20.270 --> 00:11:22.090
  • things.
  • 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:22.290
  • Maybe your home is a mess and
  • 00:11:22.290 --> 00:11:24.210
  • you look at it and it's easy to
  • 00:11:24.210 --> 00:11:26.010
  • just wanna give up.
  • 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:27.100
  • But the thing is, is you don't
  • 00:11:27.100 --> 00:11:28.130
  • have to conquer it all
  • 00:11:28.130 --> 00:11:29.140
  • overnight.
  • 00:11:29.140 --> 00:11:30.190
  • You start and you do one thing
  • 00:11:30.190 --> 00:11:32.200
  • and then next day you do another
  • 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.000
  • thing.
  • 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:34.210
  • And then you do another thing.
  • 00:11:34.210 --> 00:11:35.290
  • Here's what I like to tell
  • 00:11:35.290 --> 00:11:36.270
  • people, Matt and Laurie.
  • 00:11:36.270 --> 00:11:38.090
  • You didn't get in a mess by
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:39.290
  • doing one thing wrong, and
  • 00:11:39.290 --> 00:11:42.040
  • you're not gonna get out of the
  • 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:43.090
  • mess by doing one thing right.
  • 00:11:43.090 --> 00:11:46.000
  • I will never forget a woman who
  • 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.200
  • came to me.
  • 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.280
  • She came up to the altar at the
  • 00:11:49.280 --> 00:11:51.030
  • end of a meeting and she put her
  • 00:11:51.030 --> 00:11:52.190
  • hands on her hips and she said,
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:54.250
  • "I want my money back."
  • 00:11:54.250 --> 00:11:56.210
  • And I thought, "What in the
  • 00:11:56.210 --> 00:11:57.210
  • world are you talking about?"
  • 00:11:57.210 --> 00:11:58.240
  • I mean, I guess she'd given
  • 00:11:58.240 --> 00:11:59.200
  • a few offerings and she said,
  • 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:00.280
  • "I want my money back."
  • 00:12:00.280 --> 00:12:01.230
  • I said, "Honey, what are you
  • 00:12:01.230 --> 00:12:03.020
  • talking about?"
  • 00:12:03.020 --> 00:12:03.220
  • She said, "I've been doing what
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:05.230
  • you said for 2 weeks and nothing
  • 00:12:05.230 --> 00:12:07.220
  • has changed."
  • 00:12:07.220 --> 00:12:09.070
  • I thought, "You poor dear.
  • 00:12:09.070 --> 00:12:10.120
  • You have no idea what
  • 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:11.130
  • it's gonna take."
  • 00:12:11.130 --> 00:12:12.080
  • But it's not that it's all hard.
  • 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:16.220
  • You know, God never puts more
  • 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:18.270
  • on us than what we can bear.
  • 00:12:18.270 --> 00:12:19.250
  • I just want people to understand
  • 00:12:19.250 --> 00:12:21.270
  • that you cannot have victory,
  • 00:12:21.270 --> 00:12:23.190
  • you can't finish anything,
  • 00:12:23.190 --> 00:12:25.210
  • if you're gonna give up when
  • 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:26.180
  • it gets a little bit hard.
  • 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:27.280
  • Whether it's somebody judging
  • 00:12:27.280 --> 00:12:29.030
  • you or criticizing you or people
  • 00:12:29.170 --> 00:12:32.170
  • that you expected to be there
  • 00:12:32.170 --> 00:12:33.290
  • for you abandoning you when you
  • 00:12:33.290 --> 00:12:35.220
  • really needed them.
  • 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:37.030
  • We are going to go through
  • 00:12:37.030 --> 00:12:38.270
  • things.
  • 00:12:38.270 --> 00:12:39.240
  • There are things that Jesus did
  • 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.060
  • for us that we will never have
  • 00:12:41.060 --> 00:12:42.220
  • to do again, thankfully.
  • 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:43.270
  • We don't ever have to pay for
  • 00:12:43.270 --> 00:12:44.230
  • our own sins.
  • 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:46.070
  • He's taken care of that.
  • 00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:47.160
  • But if he was rejected, we're
  • 00:12:47.160 --> 00:12:49.130
  • gonna be rejected.
  • 00:12:49.130 --> 00:12:50.270
  • He said, "If they hated me,
  • 00:12:50.270 --> 00:12:52.070
  • they're gonna hate you."
  • 00:12:52.070 --> 00:12:53.100
  • So it's part of getting from
  • 00:12:53.160 --> 00:12:56.160
  • where you start to where you
  • 00:12:56.160 --> 00:12:58.110
  • finish.
  • 00:12:58.110 --> 00:12:59.080
  • You know something?
  • 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.280
  • The bottom line is, is people
  • 00:12:59.280 --> 00:13:01.120
  • that you would like to be happy
  • 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:02.220
  • for you when you succeed
  • 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:04.240
  • are not always happy for you.
  • 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.220
  • Many times,
  • 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:08.000
  • they're just jealous.
  • 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:09.110
  • I mean, that's the bottom line.
  • 00:13:09.110 --> 00:13:10.260
  • They're just jealous.
  • 00:13:10.260 --> 00:13:11.220
  • And they want what you have but
  • 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:13.130
  • they don't wanna do what you did
  • 00:13:13.130 --> 00:13:15.130
  • to get it.
  • 00:13:15.130 --> 00:13:18.000
  • - Matt: Let me ask a question
  • 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:21.190
  • that I want your experience on.
  • 00:13:21.260 --> 00:13:24.260
  • You have said the statement,
  • 00:13:26.210 --> 00:13:29.210
  • "Don't give up.
  • 00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:32.060
  • You know, you've gotta make a
  • 00:13:32.060 --> 00:13:33.190
  • bunch of right decisions, not
  • 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:35.060
  • one.
  • 00:13:35.060 --> 00:13:35.270
  • You don't end up with a
  • 00:13:35.270 --> 00:13:36.170
  • worldwide ministry by making one
  • 00:13:36.170 --> 00:13:39.020
  • right decision.
  • 00:13:39.020 --> 00:13:39.240
  • It's a string of them.
  • 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.060
  • But at the same time, you've
  • 00:13:41.060 --> 00:13:42.100
  • been very circumspect to say
  • 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:44.080
  • that sometimes you get down the
  • 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:45.290
  • road and something wasn't God's
  • 00:13:45.290 --> 00:13:47.200
  • will and you give up.
  • 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:48.270
  • When have you--have you ever
  • 00:13:48.270 --> 00:13:50.180
  • confused one of those two things
  • 00:13:50.180 --> 00:13:53.030
  • that you're not doing something
  • 00:13:53.030 --> 00:13:54.170
  • that's God's will but you don't
  • 00:13:54.170 --> 00:13:56.190
  • wanna give up on it because, you
  • 00:13:56.190 --> 00:13:58.180
  • know, when do you give up, when
  • 00:13:58.180 --> 00:13:59.240
  • do you don't?
  • 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:00.210
  • Is there a story in there of
  • 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:02.090
  • something that you can help us
  • 00:14:02.090 --> 00:14:04.080
  • understand when to bail on
  • 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.080
  • something or when to stay
  • 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:07.170
  • consistent so that we can finish
  • 00:14:07.170 --> 00:14:09.150
  • well?
  • 00:14:09.150 --> 00:14:10.050
  • - Joyce: Yeah, absolutely.
  • 00:14:10.050 --> 00:14:11.160
  • You know, when you can learn
  • 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:14.150
  • what God's grace is on and what
  • 00:14:14.150 --> 00:14:16.050
  • it's not, that is one of the
  • 00:14:16.050 --> 00:14:19.040
  • best ways to know whether or not
  • 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:21.100
  • - Matt: Okay, I wanna hear a
  • 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:24.030
  • lot about that.
  • 00:14:24.030 --> 00:14:25.130
  • - Joyce: Okay, so for example,
  • 00:14:25.130 --> 00:14:27.110
  • bringing anything through to the
  • 00:14:27.110 --> 00:14:28.220
  • finish is hard.
  • 00:14:28.220 --> 00:14:30.090
  • There's no doubt about it.
  • 00:14:30.090 --> 00:14:31.070
  • You've gotta be determined
  • 00:14:31.070 --> 00:14:32.090
  • you're not gonna give up.
  • 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:33.180
  • But there are things that if God
  • 00:14:33.180 --> 00:14:36.150
  • doesn't do them, then you're not
  • 00:14:36.150 --> 00:14:38.270
  • gonna have a choice.
  • 00:14:38.270 --> 00:14:40.220
  • I mean, you--there are certain
  • 00:14:40.220 --> 00:14:41.200
  • things that, you know, like for
  • 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.070
  • me, in the beginning when I
  • 00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:45.220
  • of childcare, some kind of--I
  • 00:14:49.180 --> 00:14:50.160
  • had to have somebody that's
  • 00:14:50.160 --> 00:14:51.140
  • gonna come along and say,
  • 00:14:51.140 --> 00:14:53.090
  • "You know, I feel like there's
  • 00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:54.050
  • a call on your life.
  • 00:14:54.050 --> 00:14:54.250
  • I wanna help you with
  • 00:14:54.250 --> 00:14:55.150
  • your kids."
  • 00:14:55.150 --> 00:14:56.060
  • I didn't have any money
  • 00:14:56.060 --> 00:14:56.260
  • to pay 'em, you know?
  • 00:14:56.260 --> 00:14:57.270
  • I didn't even really have
  • 00:14:57.270 --> 00:14:58.180
  • anybody proper to ask.
  • 00:14:58.180 --> 00:15:00.070
  • And so when I look back, not
  • 00:15:00.070 --> 00:15:02.120
  • only do we need God to provide
  • 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:03.260
  • for us financially, but we need
  • 00:15:03.260 --> 00:15:05.250
  • God to provide lots of other
  • 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:07.140
  • things in our life.
  • 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:09.110
  • And I was just telling my son,
  • 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:11.170
  • coming over here, I am amazed at
  • 00:15:11.170 --> 00:15:13.290
  • the amazing people that work for
  • 00:15:14.070 --> 00:15:17.070
  • us that have been there 15
  • 00:15:17.110 --> 00:15:20.110
  • years, 20 years, you know,
  • 00:15:20.110 --> 00:15:22.170
  • nobody's been there as long as
  • 00:15:22.170 --> 00:15:23.140
  • me but some have been, you know,
  • 00:15:23.140 --> 00:15:24.270
  • really close.
  • 00:15:24.270 --> 00:15:25.280
  • And it's amazing when somebody
  • 00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:28.120
  • is that committed to somebody
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:31.180
  • else's vision.
  • 00:15:31.180 --> 00:15:32.290
  • So God has provided those
  • 00:15:32.290 --> 00:15:35.060
  • people.
  • 00:15:35.060 --> 00:15:35.260
  • He--but if he didn't, I couldn't
  • 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.000
  • do what I'm doing.
  • 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:39.200
  • So, for example, sometimes
  • 00:15:42.150 --> 00:15:45.150
  • something's not working not
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  • because it's not God's will but
  • 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:47.260
  • it's not God's time.
  • 00:15:47.260 --> 00:15:49.260
  • We're very good about getting
  • 00:15:49.260 --> 00:15:51.100
  • ahead of God.
  • 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:52.210
  • And so--which is understandable.
  • 00:15:52.210 --> 00:15:55.100
  • You know, we feel something in
  • 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:56.270
  • our heart, we're excited, we
  • 00:15:56.270 --> 00:15:58.290
  • wanna do it.
  • 00:15:58.290 --> 00:15:59.190
  • We know it's God but it just
  • 00:15:59.190 --> 00:16:00.280
  • doesn't work.
  • 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:01.250
  • I tried to go on television a
  • 00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:04.210
  • few years before God put me on
  • 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:06.150
  • television.
  • 00:16:06.150 --> 00:16:08.190
  • So I was gonna take a few of my
  • 00:16:09.170 --> 00:16:12.170
  • lady employees and I was gonna
  • 00:16:12.170 --> 00:16:14.140
  • do a talk show and we rented a
  • 00:16:14.140 --> 00:16:17.140
  • little studio in St. Louis.
  • 00:16:17.140 --> 00:16:20.100
  • Got on a couple of free cable
  • 00:16:20.100 --> 00:16:22.090
  • channels.
  • 00:16:22.090 --> 00:16:22.290
  • - Matt: What year do you think
  • 00:16:22.290 --> 00:16:23.270
  • this was?
  • 00:16:23.270 --> 00:16:26.020
  • - Joyce: Oh, it's been at
  • 00:16:26.020 --> 00:16:27.120
  • least--well, I've been on
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.100
  • television 20--I mean, it's
  • 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:29.220
  • probably been maybe close to 30
  • 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:31.120
  • years ago.
  • 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.020
  • - Matt: Thirty years ago.
  • 00:16:32.020 --> 00:16:33.060
  • - Joyce: Something like that.
  • 00:16:33.060 --> 00:16:35.110
  • And so I was gonna do this
  • 00:16:35.110 --> 00:16:36.290
  • little interview thing and it's
  • 00:16:36.290 --> 00:16:39.070
  • really hilarious because I'm
  • 00:16:39.070 --> 00:16:40.190
  • just not good at interviewing.
  • 00:16:40.190 --> 00:16:42.110
  • I'm just not.
  • 00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:43.030
  • I ask a question and then I
  • 00:16:43.030 --> 00:16:44.100
  • won't let the person I asked the
  • 00:16:44.100 --> 00:16:45.210
  • question to answer.
  • 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:48.070
  • - Laurie: We would much rather
  • 00:16:48.070 --> 00:16:50.090
  • hear you talk than we would--
  • 00:16:50.090 --> 00:16:51.210
  • - Joyce: So, honestly, I mean,
  • 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:53.240
  • that's not my strong--now,
  • 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:54.280
  • they've taught me and I've
  • 00:16:54.280 --> 00:16:56.000
  • learned and I can pull it off
  • 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:57.160
  • decently now but, I mean, if I
  • 00:16:57.160 --> 00:16:59.070
  • asked somebody a question and I
  • 00:16:59.070 --> 00:17:01.000
  • didn't like their answer, I was
  • 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.080
  • really great at rerouting it and
  • 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.130
  • getting it around to what I
  • 00:17:03.130 --> 00:17:04.160
  • thought.
  • 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.090
  • And so, it just--I wasn't any
  • 00:17:08.080 --> 00:17:11.080
  • good at it, you know?
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:12.010
  • I had these five people sitting
  • 00:17:12.010 --> 00:17:13.170
  • there but I didn't let anybody
  • 00:17:13.170 --> 00:17:14.150
  • talk but me.
  • 00:17:14.150 --> 00:17:15.070
  • - Matt: Do you have any of
  • 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:18.190
  • those old tapes that we could
  • 00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:20.030
  • show?
  • 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:20.230
  • - Joyce: I hope not.
  • 00:17:20.230 --> 00:17:22.210
  • - Matt: If we can find 'em,
  • 00:17:22.210 --> 00:17:23.290
  • trust me, I wanna see 'em.
  • 00:17:23.290 --> 00:17:25.080
  • Okay, good.
  • 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:25.280
  • - Joyce: I mean, even now with
  • 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:27.020
  • my current show, when we started
  • 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:28.240
  • occasionally doing an interview
  • 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.230
  • guest, I mean, we had people
  • 00:17:30.230 --> 00:17:32.230
  • writing in and saying, "Will
  • 00:17:32.230 --> 00:17:34.040
  • Joyce let the guest talk?"
  • 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:36.180
  • And so finally, my staff had to
  • 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:38.290
  • come to me and my son, the head
  • 00:17:38.290 --> 00:17:40.280
  • of our TV, and he said, "We need
  • 00:17:40.280 --> 00:17:42.220
  • to talk to you about something."
  • 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.020
  • Well, at first, I got my back
  • 00:17:44.020 --> 00:17:45.110
  • up, you know?
  • 00:17:45.110 --> 00:17:46.020
  • It's, like, don't tell me how to
  • 00:17:46.020 --> 00:17:47.160
  • talk.
  • 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.150
  • - Laurie: It's my show.
  • 00:17:49.150 --> 00:17:50.030
  • - Joyce: I know how to talk.
  • 00:17:50.030 --> 00:17:50.240
  • My show.
  • 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:54.040
  • I didn't know this was gonna be
  • 00:17:54.040 --> 00:17:56.220
  • comedy hour.
  • 00:17:56.220 --> 00:17:58.020
  • - Matt: I didn't either.
  • 00:17:58.020 --> 00:17:59.180
  • - Joyce: So they had to talk me
  • 00:17:59.180 --> 00:18:00.190
  • off the wall and, you know, get
  • 00:18:00.190 --> 00:18:02.070
  • me down to where I would listen
  • 00:18:02.070 --> 00:18:03.080
  • a little bit.
  • 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:04.160
  • And so I've learned how to do it
  • 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.020
  • better.
  • 00:18:06.020 --> 00:18:06.220
  • You know, I can actually--I'm
  • 00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:07.130
  • not doing too good on this show
  • 00:18:07.130 --> 00:18:08.190
  • but I am doing better.
  • 00:18:08.190 --> 00:18:10.030
  • But you're interviewing me, I'm
  • 00:18:10.030 --> 00:18:12.210
  • not interviewing you.
  • 00:18:12.210 --> 00:18:14.270
  • - Laurie: Aren't you glad?
  • 00:18:14.270 --> 00:18:17.190
  • - Joyce: So anyway, I--so I
  • 00:18:17.190 --> 00:18:19.230
  • went on--I was trying to do the
  • 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:21.150
  • show.
  • 00:18:21.150 --> 00:18:22.050
  • It wasn't working.
  • 00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:22.260
  • So in 6 months of being on TV,
  • 00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:24.260
  • we got 1 piece of mail.
  • 00:18:25.010 --> 00:18:28.010
  • There was no money in it.
  • 00:18:28.010 --> 00:18:31.000
  • So it wasn't gonna help anyway.
  • 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.260
  • - Laurie: We'll pay you to be
  • 00:18:33.260 --> 00:18:34.170
  • quiet.
  • 00:18:34.170 --> 00:18:35.100
  • - Joyce: Nobody wanted the CD,
  • 00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:36.090
  • nobody--you know.
  • 00:18:36.090 --> 00:18:38.040
  • Six months.
  • 00:18:38.040 --> 00:18:39.130
  • And so finally,
  • 00:18:39.130 --> 00:18:40.260
  • my lightning-fast brain said,
  • 00:18:40.260 --> 00:18:43.120
  • "This is not working."
  • 00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:45.110
  • So the thing is--
  • 00:18:45.110 --> 00:18:46.260
  • - Matt: I have a tear running
  • 00:18:46.260 --> 00:18:49.010
  • down the side of my face.
  • 00:18:49.010 --> 00:18:51.160
  • - Joyce: When you try that hard
  • 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:52.110
  • to make something work and it's
  • 00:18:52.110 --> 00:18:54.150
  • just not working, that's
  • 00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:55.160
  • probably a good time to say,
  • 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.040
  • you know, this may not be God.
  • 00:18:57.140 --> 00:19:00.160
  • And so I was just way ahead
  • 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.170
  • of myself.
  • 00:19:02.170 --> 00:19:03.110
  • Now I'm on television all over
  • 00:19:03.110 --> 00:19:04.140
  • the world but then I couldn't
  • 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:05.220
  • get 1 piece of mail in 6 months
  • 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:07.160
  • because I just--it just wasn't
  • 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.160
  • the right time.
  • 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.170
  • And so I think that's one of the
  • 00:19:12.170 --> 00:19:14.010
  • ways that you can tell if
  • 00:19:14.010 --> 00:19:15.190
  • something is right or not.
  • 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:16.270
  • I mean--
  • 00:19:16.270 --> 00:19:17.170
  • - Matt: What happened then when
  • 00:19:17.170 --> 00:19:18.270
  • it was right?
  • 00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:19.170
  • Because it's right now, so what
  • 00:19:19.170 --> 00:19:21.100
  • was the change?
  • 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:22.110
  • What do you think--what do you
  • 00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:23.110
  • think happened that, that's a
  • 00:19:23.110 --> 00:19:25.210
  • great example.
  • 00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:26.210
  • What happened?
  • 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:27.170
  • - Joyce: Well, first of all, my
  • 00:19:27.170 --> 00:19:29.070
  • husband went out and bought a TV
  • 00:19:29.070 --> 00:19:31.140
  • camera, which I think I remember
  • 00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:33.070
  • at that time it cost, like,
  • 00:19:33.070 --> 00:19:34.040
  • $17.000.
  • 00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:34.290
  • Well, I was so mad.
  • 00:19:34.290 --> 00:19:36.290
  • I was, like, "You didn't talk
  • 00:19:36.290 --> 00:19:39.200
  • to me about that.
  • 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:40.110
  • Why did you do that?
  • 00:19:40.110 --> 00:19:41.100
  • We don't have that kind
  • 00:19:41.100 --> 00:19:42.120
  • of money."
  • 00:19:42.120 --> 00:19:43.060
  • And he's, like, "I just--
  • 00:19:43.060 --> 00:19:46.040
  • I just felt like that
  • 00:19:46.040 --> 00:19:47.170
  • every time you do a teaching,"
  • 00:19:47.170 --> 00:19:48.280
  • and, of course, he thinks I'm
  • 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.230
  • a good teacher, so he's, like,
  • 00:19:49.230 --> 00:19:51.260
  • "We're losing it.
  • 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:52.160
  • And I don't know what we're
  • 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.090
  • gonna do with it but I feel like
  • 00:19:54.090 --> 00:19:56.030
  • we need to capture
  • 00:19:56.030 --> 00:19:57.050
  • it for something."
  • 00:19:57.050 --> 00:19:59.070
  • So I was, like, "Not ever gonna
  • 00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:02.120
  • go on TV," 'cause I thought
  • 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:03.150
  • I failed at it, you know?
  • 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:04.140
  • It was just like, I'll just stay
  • 00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:06.050
  • on radio and keep traveling and
  • 00:20:06.050 --> 00:20:07.160
  • doing meetings, but I won't go
  • 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.070
  • on TV.
  • 00:20:09.070 --> 00:20:10.040
  • So one morning, Dave was
  • 00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:11.160
  • shaving, getting ready to go to
  • 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.040
  • the office and I was trying to
  • 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:15.050
  • get out of the house and he,
  • 00:20:15.050 --> 00:20:17.090
  • after a little bit, he was in
  • 00:20:17.090 --> 00:20:18.070
  • there by himself and he said,
  • 00:20:18.070 --> 00:20:20.000
  • "Come here, I need to talk to
  • 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:20.230
  • you about something."
  • 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:21.220
  • So I said, "Dave,
  • 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:24.050
  • I'm in a hurry.
  • 00:20:24.050 --> 00:20:24.250
  • I get to the office.
  • 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:25.150
  • Can we talk later?"
  • 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:26.050
  • He said, "No, I need to talk to
  • 00:20:26.050 --> 00:20:27.030
  • you now."
  • 00:20:27.030 --> 00:20:28.010
  • And God actually spoke
  • 00:20:28.010 --> 00:20:30.050
  • to him in a very clear way and
  • 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:34.140
  • he was just like--you could tell
  • 00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:36.260
  • that he was really moved
  • 00:20:36.260 --> 00:20:38.150
  • and even shaken.
  • 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:39.260
  • And he said, "God said,
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:42.100
  • 'I want you to go on television.
  • 00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:43.200
  • I've prepared you
  • 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:44.110
  • all this time.'"
  • 00:20:44.110 --> 00:20:47.030
  • I want people to get that.
  • 00:20:47.030 --> 00:20:48.090
  • "I've prepared you all
  • 00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:50.010
  • this time."
  • 00:20:50.010 --> 00:20:51.220
  • Preparation comes before
  • 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:52.250
  • promotion.
  • 00:20:52.250 --> 00:20:54.170
  • And so we need to take the time
  • 00:20:54.170 --> 00:20:56.220
  • to let God prepare us.
  • 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:58.160
  • Sometimes, we're ready.
  • 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.210
  • We think we're ready but even
  • 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.240
  • sometimes, people that are gonna
  • 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.040
  • need to work with you aren't
  • 00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:07.110
  • ready.
  • 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:08.290
  • You know, so there's a whole lot
  • 00:21:08.290 --> 00:21:10.090
  • that God has to do before we can
  • 00:21:10.090 --> 00:21:11.240
  • go do this thing that we wanna
  • 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:12.290
  • do.
  • 00:21:12.290 --> 00:21:13.240
  • So Dave was over all of our
  • 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:15.050
  • finances then.
  • 00:21:15.050 --> 00:21:15.270
  • He did a great job at it and, of
  • 00:21:15.270 --> 00:21:18.040
  • course, he's having this little
  • 00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:19.030
  • communication with God
  • 00:21:19.030 --> 00:21:19.290
  • and he's, like, "Well,
  • 00:21:19.290 --> 00:21:20.190
  • we can't afford that."
  • 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:21.280
  • And he actually saw
  • 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.030
  • something in the Spirit.
  • 00:21:23.030 --> 00:21:24.120
  • He saw a hand on a water faucet
  • 00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:27.020
  • and he said he felt like what
  • 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:28.080
  • God showed him is, "I've got it
  • 00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:30.010
  • turned up this far, enabling you
  • 00:21:30.010 --> 00:21:31.280
  • to do what you're doing now.
  • 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:33.190
  • And I won't have any trouble
  • 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:34.240
  • turning it up more, enabling you
  • 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.060
  • to do the rest of what I'm
  • 00:21:37.060 --> 00:21:38.050
  • asking you to do."
  • 00:21:38.050 --> 00:21:39.150
  • Now, it is so hilarious because
  • 00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:41.190
  • when we started to try to go on
  • 00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:46.100
  • television, we did not know you
  • 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:47.250
  • We did not know one thing about
  • 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.290
  • what we were supposed to do.
  • 00:21:53.290 --> 00:21:55.110
  • That's why telling these stories
  • 00:21:55.110 --> 00:21:56.220
  • is so great because sometimes
  • 00:21:57.030 --> 00:22:00.050
  • God calls people to do things
  • 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:04.050
  • that don't know what they're
  • 00:22:04.050 --> 00:22:05.050
  • doing.
  • 00:22:05.050 --> 00:22:05.250
  • And if you take it a step at
  • 00:22:05.290 --> 00:22:08.290
  • a time, talk about a walk of
  • 00:22:08.290 --> 00:22:10.270
  • faith and a journey of faith.
  • 00:22:10.270 --> 00:22:12.070
  • I always tell people,
  • 00:22:12.070 --> 00:22:13.110
  • And if you step
  • 00:22:15.170 --> 00:22:16.060
  • out and it don't work,
  • 00:22:16.060 --> 00:22:18.270
  • then you take a step back and
  • 00:22:18.270 --> 00:22:20.190
  • you reroute.
  • 00:22:20.190 --> 00:22:21.240
  • And so, I mean, this is just the
  • 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.070
  • way God works.
  • 00:22:23.070 --> 00:22:24.080
  • He, like--somebody had--a
  • 00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:26.160
  • television producer had applied
  • 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.040
  • for a job with us a few months
  • 00:22:28.040 --> 00:22:30.010
  • before and we thought, "We don't
  • 00:22:30.010 --> 00:22:31.110
  • need that.
  • 00:22:31.110 --> 00:22:32.010
  • We're not on TV."
  • 00:22:32.010 --> 00:22:32.210
  • And we just stuck it in
  • 00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:33.110
  • the back of a file somewhere.
  • 00:22:33.110 --> 00:22:35.020
  • And so then when we started
  • 00:22:35.020 --> 00:22:36.250
  • realizing we needed one, then we
  • 00:22:36.250 --> 00:22:39.050
  • called him and he became our
  • 00:22:39.050 --> 00:22:40.140
  • first TV producer.
  • 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:41.200
  • Matt and Laurie, the first show
  • 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.070
  • that we did on TV was done in a
  • 00:22:45.050 --> 00:22:48.050
  • little ballroom.
  • 00:22:48.050 --> 00:22:49.040
  • I don't even remember where it
  • 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:50.140
  • was at.
  • 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:51.040
  • And I mean, it was little.
  • 00:22:51.040 --> 00:22:52.160
  • And the place was in such bad
  • 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:53.240
  • condition.
  • 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.140
  • We didn't have any money.
  • 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:55.070
  • I mean, we--the ceiling tiles
  • 00:22:55.070 --> 00:22:57.140
  • were falling down and it was a
  • 00:22:57.140 --> 00:22:59.050
  • real low ceiling which is lousy
  • 00:22:59.050 --> 00:23:00.290
  • for TV.
  • 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:01.190
  • We had one camera and our
  • 00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:03.220
  • backdrop was a blue shower
  • 00:23:03.220 --> 00:23:05.090
  • curtain.
  • 00:23:05.090 --> 00:23:06.200
  • - Laurie: Oh, you had a shower
  • 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:07.130
  • curtain too.
  • 00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:08.170
  • - Joyce: But you know what
  • 00:23:08.170 --> 00:23:09.250
  • happened?
  • 00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:10.230
  • That first day, 125 people
  • 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:12.150
  • called.
  • 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:13.230
  • - Laurie: Wow.
  • 00:23:13.230 --> 00:23:15.000
  • - Joyce: And so when it's God,
  • 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:16.180
  • it doesn't matter what you don't
  • 00:23:16.180 --> 00:23:17.280
  • have, if you have him.
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  • And if it's not God, it doesn't
  • 00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:21.220
  • matter what you think you do
  • 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:22.270
  • have.
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  • If he's not for it, it's not
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  • gonna work.
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  • - Matt: Okay, this is really an
  • 00:23:26.090 --> 00:23:28.110
  • interesting moment here because,
  • 00:23:28.110 --> 00:23:30.230
  • first of all, when you showed
  • 00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:34.020
  • the little word picture of God
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  • having his hand on a faucet, I
  • 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:38.070
  • felt like there were people in
  • 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:41.180
  • the viewing audience now that
  • 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:44.280
  • I'd love for you to pray for
  • 00:23:44.280 --> 00:23:46.010
  • them.
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  • That they--that God's got a hand
  • 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.170
  • on a faucet.
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  • We're talking about finishing
  • 00:23:50.020 --> 00:23:51.060
  • well but we're talking--we're
  • 00:23:51.060 --> 00:23:52.130
  • kind of in the mid-ground here.
  • 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:54.000
  • This is when, you know, Joyce
  • 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.030
  • started and, by the way, I
  • 00:23:56.030 --> 00:23:59.000
  • remember doing lighting for you
  • 00:24:00.170 --> 00:24:03.170
  • at Melodyland Christian Center
  • 00:24:03.170 --> 00:24:06.010
  • back in the early '90s when you
  • 00:24:06.270 --> 00:24:09.270
  • had traveled to Southern
  • 00:24:09.270 --> 00:24:10.260
  • California so that would have
  • 00:24:10.260 --> 00:24:12.070
  • been early in your TV ministry.
  • 00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:15.130
  • And I did lighting for you.
  • 00:24:15.130 --> 00:24:17.210
  • I met you for the first time in
  • 00:24:17.210 --> 00:24:20.010
  • Melodyland Christian Center
  • 00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:22.030
  • which isn't even there anymore.
  • 00:24:22.030 --> 00:24:24.110
  • That whole church is a parking
  • 00:24:24.110 --> 00:24:25.270
  • lot now.
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  • - Joyce: What was the pastor's
  • 00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:27.100
  • name there?
  • 00:24:27.100 --> 00:24:27.250
  • - Matt: Ralph Wilkerson.
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  • In his 90s, still alive, yeah.
  • 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.200
  • - Joyce: And when I was
  • 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.100
  • preaching, he was sleeping.
  • 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:36.220
  • And when everybody would clap,
  • 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:38.240
  • he'd wake up and go like
  • 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.240
  • this...and then he'd go back
  • 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.230
  • to sleep.
  • 00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:44.030
  • - Laurie: Maybe he was 90 then.
  • 00:24:44.030 --> 00:24:46.090
  • - Matt: And he was only 60 then
  • 00:24:46.090 --> 00:24:49.040
  • so, okay, so I just--it really
  • 00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:51.180
  • felt like that you tapped into
  • 00:24:53.010 --> 00:24:56.010
  • something that our
  • 00:24:56.010 --> 00:24:57.010
  • viewers--there's a hand--God's
  • 00:24:57.010 --> 00:24:59.120
  • hand on a faucet and they think
  • 00:24:59.120 --> 00:25:01.140
  • they can't go to the next level
  • 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.000
  • but they could if God's in it.
  • 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.240
  • Just pray for those folks and
  • 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.030
  • talk to them for a minute
  • 00:25:07.030 --> 00:25:08.010
  • about--
  • 00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:08.250
  • - Joyce: Well, first of all,
  • 00:25:08.250 --> 00:25:09.160
  • remember what I said about
  • 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.050
  • stepping out and finding out.
  • 00:25:11.050 --> 00:25:12.200
  • The thing is, is you don't wanna
  • 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.000
  • start by jumping off a cliff.
  • 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.040
  • You don't wanna get this idea,
  • 00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:17.090
  • "Well, I've heard from God and,
  • 00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:18.140
  • boy, I'm just gonna go for it
  • 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:20.120
  • and God's gonna make it happen
  • 00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:21.270
  • and God's gonna pay for it."
  • 00:25:21.270 --> 00:25:23.020
  • You take a step and you see if
  • 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:27.180
  • it works.
  • 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:29.030
  • And if it does, then you take
  • 00:25:29.030 --> 00:25:30.080
  • another baby step and if that
  • 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:32.170
  • works, then you take another
  • 00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:33.180
  • baby step.
  • 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.130
  • Don't ever, ever, be afraid or
  • 00:25:34.130 --> 00:25:37.110
  • embarrassed to say, "I thought I
  • 00:25:37.110 --> 00:25:39.270
  • heard from God but I didn't."
  • 00:25:39.270 --> 00:25:42.140
  • I think people make such a big
  • 00:25:42.140 --> 00:25:43.270
  • mistake when they've said, "God
  • 00:25:43.270 --> 00:25:45.280
  • told me to do something," and
  • 00:25:45.280 --> 00:25:47.070
  • then it turns out it wasn't God
  • 00:25:47.070 --> 00:25:49.000
  • and they keep trying to make it
  • 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:50.000
  • be God.
  • 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.150
  • It just ends up making a big
  • 00:25:51.150 --> 00:25:52.200
  • mess.
  • 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.130
  • But I just wanna tell you that I
  • 00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:55.110
  • believe that God has something
  • 00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:56.160
  • wonderful for each of us to do.
  • 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.230
  • It may not be ministry but God
  • 00:25:57.230 --> 00:25:59.270
  • has something wonderful for each
  • 00:25:59.270 --> 00:26:01.150
  • of us to do.
  • 00:26:01.150 --> 00:26:02.140
  • And so I'm gonna pray for you
  • 00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:03.260
  • right now that you will be able
  • 00:26:03.260 --> 00:26:05.200
  • to discern the difference in
  • 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.200
  • when God's grace is on you for
  • 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.030
  • something and when it's not but
  • 00:26:09.030 --> 00:26:11.040
  • if God is showing you, "Look,
  • 00:26:11.040 --> 00:26:13.120
  • I'm in this.
  • 00:26:13.120 --> 00:26:14.220
  • It may take longer than you
  • 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:15.200
  • think but I'm in this," then I
  • 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.020
  • want you to know that where God
  • 00:26:18.020 --> 00:26:19.200
  • guides, he always provides.
  • 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.100
  • He will make it happen.
  • 00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:25.040
  • Just be patient.
  • 00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:25.290
  • Father, I pray in Jesus' name
  • 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:28.150
  • that everybody here who's out in
  • 00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:29.290
  • the middle of something and
  • 00:26:29.290 --> 00:26:31.100
  • feels kind of lost, they're not
  • 00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:33.160
  • sure if they can--if they should
  • 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.110
  • go back, if they should go
  • 00:26:35.110 --> 00:26:36.100
  • forward, but they don't wanna
  • 00:26:36.100 --> 00:26:38.020
  • stay where they're at.
  • 00:26:38.020 --> 00:26:39.220
  • First of all, I pray that you
  • 00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:41.010
  • would help them to discern when
  • 00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:43.060
  • your grace is on them and for
  • 00:26:43.060 --> 00:26:45.290
  • them to be willing to take baby
  • 00:26:45.290 --> 00:26:47.210
  • steps and if they take a wrong
  • 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:49.010
  • step to step back.
  • 00:26:49.010 --> 00:26:50.020
  • There's no shame in that.
  • 00:26:50.020 --> 00:26:52.060
  • I pray that they'll understand
  • 00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:54.130
  • that you can provide in a
  • 00:26:54.130 --> 00:26:56.100
  • million different ways, ways
  • 00:26:56.100 --> 00:26:57.290
  • that we would never, ever,
  • 00:26:57.290 --> 00:26:59.230
  • expect.
  • 00:26:59.230 --> 00:27:01.020
  • And I thank you, Father, for
  • 00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:02.050
  • giving them peace and helping
  • 00:27:02.050 --> 00:27:04.120
  • them to never quit, in Jesus'
  • 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:06.120
  • name, amen.
  • 00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:08.050
  • - Matt: Amen.
  • 00:27:08.050 --> 00:27:08.250
  • You know, the thing that you
  • 00:27:08.250 --> 00:27:10.010
  • said just a moment ago,
  • 00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.040
  • super-important.
  • 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:13.080
  • That God eventually, when you
  • 00:27:13.080 --> 00:27:15.230
  • were on television and it was
  • 00:27:15.230 --> 00:27:17.050
  • working and it's still working
  • 00:27:17.050 --> 00:27:19.040
  • many, many decades later now.
  • 00:27:19.040 --> 00:27:21.030
  • But God was preparing you so the
  • 00:27:21.030 --> 00:27:24.020
  • preparation was--even the
  • 00:27:24.020 --> 00:27:26.040
  • failure was a part of the
  • 00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:27.200
  • preparation.
  • 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:28.160
  • - Joyce: Oh, yeah, yeah,
  • 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.060
  • absolutely.
  • 00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:29.260
  • - Matt: So that's part of it.
  • 00:27:29.260 --> 00:27:30.170
  • You can't just walk--you can't
  • 00:27:30.170 --> 00:27:32.050
  • walk away.
  • 00:27:32.050 --> 00:27:32.250
  • You personally, that's your
  • 00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:34.080
  • story.
  • 00:27:34.080 --> 00:27:34.280
  • You had failure, then success
  • 00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:37.180
  • when the timing was right.
  • 00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:38.250
  • That's a big piece of it.
  • 00:27:38.250 --> 00:27:39.270
  • - Joyce: I just read a book
  • 00:27:39.270 --> 00:27:40.220
  • recently by Dallas Willard about
  • 00:27:40.220 --> 00:27:42.080
  • how to hear from God and
  • 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:43.050
  • actually, I've read it two or
  • 00:27:43.050 --> 00:27:44.050
  • three times.
  • 00:27:44.050 --> 00:27:44.250
  • Great book.
  • 00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:46.080
  • And he said, "When people ask
  • 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:48.120
  • me, 'How have you learned to
  • 00:27:48.120 --> 00:27:50.170
  • hear from God?'"
  • 00:27:50.170 --> 00:27:51.270
  • He said, "By making
  • 00:27:51.270 --> 00:27:52.260
  • a lot of mistakes."
  • 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:55.030
  • And you know, we're
  • 00:27:55.030 --> 00:27:55.230
  • too afraid of our mistakes.
  • 00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.050
  • We don't want anybody to think
  • 00:27:57.050 --> 00:27:58.150
  • we've made a mistake.
  • 00:27:58.150 --> 00:27:59.100
  • We want everybody to think that
  • 00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.140
  • we're perfect.
  • 00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:01.280
  • And I'm telling you, there's
  • 00:28:01.280 --> 00:28:02.180
  • nothing wrong with saying,
  • 00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:03.140
  • "I missed it."
  • 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:04.200
  • You know, I think
  • 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:05.100
  • that God would rather have
  • 00:28:05.100 --> 00:28:06.050
  • somebody that's bold enough to
  • 00:28:06.050 --> 00:28:07.110
  • try than somebody who just sits
  • 00:28:07.110 --> 00:28:09.290
  • and does nothing all their life
  • 00:28:09.290 --> 00:28:11.030
  • so they never look like they're
  • 00:28:11.030 --> 00:28:12.260
  • wrong.
  • 00:28:12.260 --> 00:28:13.160
  • And you know, there are so many
  • 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.240
  • aspects to making it to the end
  • 00:28:16.090 --> 00:28:19.090
  • of something.
  • 00:28:19.090 --> 00:28:19.290
  • And one of them, Matt, is
  • 00:28:19.290 --> 00:28:21.200
  • something that you and Laurie
  • 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.260
  • actually have been doing.
  • 00:28:23.260 --> 00:28:25.240
  • And that is, as you go along,
  • 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.180
  • you have to be willing to
  • 00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:29.130
  • change.
  • 00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:31.130
  • Anybody who won't change will
  • 00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:33.200
  • get left in the dust.
  • 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.180
  • You really will.
  • 00:28:34.180 --> 00:28:36.160
  • And we had a situation in our
  • 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.240
  • ministry about 10 years ago
  • 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.240
  • where we started noticing that
  • 00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:45.080
  • everybody in the crowd was my
  • 00:28:45.080 --> 00:28:46.130
  • age.
  • 00:28:46.130 --> 00:28:48.260
  • There were no young people.
  • 00:28:48.260 --> 00:28:50.220
  • There was only people my age and
  • 00:28:51.030 --> 00:28:54.030
  • older.
  • 00:28:54.030 --> 00:28:55.010
  • Well, you know, if you don't
  • 00:28:55.010 --> 00:28:56.280
  • bring new people in, I mean,
  • 00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:59.150
  • what happens when everybody else
  • 00:28:59.150 --> 00:29:01.220
  • is gone?
  • 00:29:01.220 --> 00:29:02.120
  • So I realized that we weren't
  • 00:29:02.120 --> 00:29:04.100
  • reaching--something was not
  • 00:29:04.100 --> 00:29:06.100
  • right.
  • 00:29:06.100 --> 00:29:07.020
  • Things were starting to decline.
  • 00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:10.220
  • And it's really important to me
  • 00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:12.180
  • that I finish.
  • 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:13.120
  • You know, people ask me if I'm
  • 00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:14.140
  • ever gonna retire and I
  • 00:29:14.140 --> 00:29:15.210
  • honestly, I have never figured
  • 00:29:15.230 --> 00:29:18.230
  • out how you can retire from a
  • 00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:20.050
  • call on your life.
  • 00:29:20.050 --> 00:29:21.080
  • I mean, I've thought about it
  • 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.160
  • but I'm not--how do you say to
  • 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.160
  • God, "Well, I quit," you know?
  • 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.180
  • I mean--
  • 00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:27.110
  • - Laurie: Retirement time.
  • 00:29:27.110 --> 00:29:28.030
  • - Joyce: Yeah, it's different
  • 00:29:28.030 --> 00:29:30.200
  • if you get to the point where
  • 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:31.140
  • you can't do something and you
  • 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:33.210
  • know that God's finished
  • 00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:35.150
  • with it.
  • 00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:36.050
  • Then that's a totally
  • 00:29:36.050 --> 00:29:36.250
  • different thing.
  • 00:29:36.250 --> 00:29:37.150
  • But I wanna finish.
  • 00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:40.220
  • And I wanna do everything that
  • 00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:42.140
  • God is giving me to do.
  • 00:29:42.140 --> 00:29:43.260
  • And you were talking about
  • 00:29:43.260 --> 00:29:44.190
  • "Unshakeable Trust."
  • 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:45.170
  • I trust God for that.
  • 00:29:45.170 --> 00:29:47.160
  • I trust God to still be able to
  • 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.200
  • be doing this.
  • 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.100
  • I wanna be still helping people
  • 00:29:52.100 --> 00:29:54.050
  • in some way until I draw my last
  • 00:29:54.050 --> 00:29:56.270
  • breath.
  • 00:29:56.270 --> 00:29:58.010
  • That's what God has called me
  • 00:29:58.010 --> 00:29:59.290
  • to.
  • 00:29:59.290 --> 00:30:00.200
  • But 10 years ago, first of all,
  • 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.160
  • our son who was then, like, 26,
  • 00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:08.180
  • certainly not old enough or had
  • 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:12.180
  • the education to come on and be
  • 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:14.040
  • the CEO of a ministry.
  • 00:30:14.040 --> 00:30:15.250
  • But the person we had was no
  • 00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:20.080
  • more and we really felt like he
  • 00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:24.280
  • was supposed to do it, which
  • 00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:26.120
  • doesn't make any sense.
  • 00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:27.120
  • But we felt like he was supposed
  • 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:29.150
  • to do it.
  • 00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:30.140
  • And now, you know, our other son
  • 00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:33.210
  • has worked for us for a long
  • 00:30:33.210 --> 00:30:34.190
  • time.
  • 00:30:34.190 --> 00:30:35.090
  • He heads up the world missions
  • 00:30:35.090 --> 00:30:36.010
  • but we needed somebody with
  • 00:30:36.010 --> 00:30:38.010
  • media knowledge.
  • 00:30:38.010 --> 00:30:38.210
  • Well, he didn't have the
  • 00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:39.290
  • knowledge but he had wisdom, he
  • 00:30:39.290 --> 00:30:42.240
  • had discernment.
  • 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.050
  • He was great at dealing with
  • 00:30:44.050 --> 00:30:45.120
  • people and he was really young.
  • 00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:47.290
  • And so if you knew some of the
  • 00:30:47.290 --> 00:30:49.190
  • stories of him trying to get me
  • 00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:51.090
  • to change things.
  • 00:30:51.090 --> 00:30:52.210
  • I mean, hilarious.
  • 00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:54.040
  • One day, we were in a big
  • 00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:55.100
  • meeting.
  • 00:30:55.100 --> 00:30:56.180
  • Had everybody at the boardroom
  • 00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:57.230
  • table and they were trying to
  • 00:30:57.230 --> 00:30:59.040
  • get me to make a decision that I
  • 00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:01.240
  • wouldn't have liked.
  • 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:02.150
  • And so we were having our little
  • 00:31:02.290 --> 00:31:05.290
  • spell there and he's talking
  • 00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:07.150
  • about his thing and, you know,
  • 00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:09.230
  • so when I got done I said, "Now,
  • 00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:11.030
  • if you notice, everybody in
  • 00:31:11.030 --> 00:31:12.060
  • the room agrees with me."
  • 00:31:12.060 --> 00:31:13.220
  • And he said,
  • 00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:14.160
  • "Well, of course, they do.
  • 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.060
  • They're all your age."
  • 00:31:15.060 --> 00:31:15.290
  • And, I mean,
  • 00:31:15.290 --> 00:31:16.240
  • he could say things to me
  • 00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:20.280
  • that nobody else could say.
  • 00:31:20.280 --> 00:31:22.170
  • And because I knew that he
  • 00:31:22.170 --> 00:31:24.040
  • loved me, he'd get by with it.
  • 00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:26.090
  • One day, I mean, I had stuff.
  • 00:31:26.090 --> 00:31:28.080
  • I mean, I was, like,
  • 00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:29.230
  • "I'm gonna do this my way."
  • 00:31:29.230 --> 00:31:32.030
  • And like, there were certain
  • 00:31:32.030 --> 00:31:33.100
  • colors I didn't like
  • 00:31:33.100 --> 00:31:34.070
  • so I would never let 'em
  • 00:31:34.070 --> 00:31:35.070
  • use those colors in
  • 00:31:35.070 --> 00:31:36.020
  • the magazine.
  • 00:31:36.020 --> 00:31:37.050
  • It's, like,
  • 00:31:37.050 --> 00:31:37.270
  • "I don't like that color.
  • 00:31:37.270 --> 00:31:38.290
  • I don't like that color."
  • 00:31:38.290 --> 00:31:40.130
  • And he said to me one day,
  • 00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:42.230
  • "Well, did it ever occur to you
  • 00:31:42.230 --> 00:31:44.030
  • that God hasn't called you
  • 00:31:44.030 --> 00:31:45.020
  • to minister to yourself?
  • 00:31:45.020 --> 00:31:46.220
  • There might be some other people
  • 00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:47.190
  • out there that like that color."
  • 00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:50.040
  • And so, long--
  • 00:31:50.040 --> 00:31:51.070
  • - Laurie: We've just kind of
  • 00:31:51.070 --> 00:31:51.280
  • been through this, haven't we?
  • 00:31:51.280 --> 00:31:53.070
  • - Joyce: Long story short,
  • 00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:54.000
  • very long.
  • 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.090
  • We started making changes.
  • 00:31:56.070 --> 00:31:59.070
  • And we did things that I didn't
  • 00:31:59.070 --> 00:32:01.160
  • care for.
  • 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.120
  • Still not crazy about all of 'em
  • 00:32:02.120 --> 00:32:04.030
  • but we're still here.
  • 00:32:04.030 --> 00:32:05.180
  • And we've grown and we have a
  • 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:07.030
  • lot of young people that come to
  • 00:32:07.030 --> 00:32:08.130
  • our conferences now.
  • 00:32:08.130 --> 00:32:09.030
  • And some of those changes were,
  • 00:32:09.030 --> 00:32:09.250
  • like, things that people my age
  • 00:32:09.250 --> 00:32:11.000
  • wouldn't probably like.
  • 00:32:11.010 --> 00:32:14.010
  • Like, we changed our worship
  • 00:32:16.010 --> 00:32:19.010
  • teams.
  • 00:32:19.010 --> 00:32:20.010
  • More the younger, you know, the
  • 00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:23.230
  • people that come with, "Did you
  • 00:32:23.230 --> 00:32:26.080
  • comb your hair this morning?
  • 00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:27.130
  • Why is it going in eight
  • 00:32:27.130 --> 00:32:28.090
  • directions," you know?
  • 00:32:28.090 --> 00:32:29.170
  • It's, like, and you know,
  • 00:32:29.170 --> 00:32:32.120
  • jumping around a lot and I'm
  • 00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:33.230
  • used to hymns and, you know,
  • 00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:35.020
  • they're doing all kinds of other
  • 00:32:35.020 --> 00:32:36.120
  • things.
  • 00:32:36.120 --> 00:32:37.020
  • And then we have the fog
  • 00:32:37.020 --> 00:32:39.000
  • machines, you know?
  • 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.270
  • I still can't figure out why
  • 00:32:39.270 --> 00:32:41.110
  • it's gives you ambience to not
  • 00:32:41.110 --> 00:32:43.270
  • be able to see the people.
  • 00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:47.110
  • I don't get that.
  • 00:32:47.110 --> 00:32:48.240
  • But all I know is we have made a
  • 00:32:49.090 --> 00:32:52.090
  • lot of changes and they have all
  • 00:32:52.090 --> 00:32:55.050
  • made things better.
  • 00:32:55.050 --> 00:32:56.170
  • And I'd like to just say
  • 00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:58.220
  • something, even in your behalf
  • 00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:00.180
  • for some of the changes you've
  • 00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:01.190
  • made and probably will still
  • 00:33:01.190 --> 00:33:03.070
  • need to continue to make.
  • 00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:08.020
  • Usually, people that have come
  • 00:33:08.020 --> 00:33:09.170
  • up with you don't like the
  • 00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:10.230
  • changes.
  • 00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:12.000
  • They don't want anything to
  • 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:12.250
  • change.
  • 00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:13.220
  • They like it the way it is.
  • 00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.080
  • But we have to realize that most
  • 00:33:15.080 --> 00:33:17.150
  • of us that are at this point in
  • 00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:19.150
  • our walk with God, we've got our
  • 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:21.240
  • relationship with God.
  • 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.160
  • We're born again, we're going to
  • 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.260
  • heaven.
  • 00:33:24.260 --> 00:33:25.160
  • We need to stop trying to just
  • 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.050
  • please ourselves and we need to
  • 00:33:27.050 --> 00:33:29.270
  • care more about the younger
  • 00:33:30.070 --> 00:33:33.070
  • people and the people that
  • 00:33:33.070 --> 00:33:35.240
  • aren't saved and try to get them
  • 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.190
  • interested.
  • 00:33:38.190 --> 00:33:39.140
  • Now, here's the thing.
  • 00:33:39.140 --> 00:33:40.130
  • We did not change our message.
  • 00:33:40.130 --> 00:33:42.160
  • We did not change our morals.
  • 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.170
  • But we did tidy up the package a
  • 00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:46.040
  • little bit.
  • 00:33:46.040 --> 00:33:47.210
  • And we made it something that
  • 00:33:47.210 --> 00:33:49.140
  • maybe a younger person would
  • 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:50.180
  • open.
  • 00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:51.190
  • Maybe somebody from a different
  • 00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:52.270
  • denomination would open.
  • 00:33:52.270 --> 00:33:55.170
  • So there are certain things that
  • 00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:56.270
  • maybe I would have done in a
  • 00:33:56.270 --> 00:33:57.280
  • meeting 40 years ago that I
  • 00:33:57.280 --> 00:33:59.040
  • would not do now.
  • 00:33:59.040 --> 00:34:00.130
  • Not because I don't think it's
  • 00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:01.120
  • right but because I might
  • 00:34:01.120 --> 00:34:03.210
  • minister to my stream but I'm
  • 00:34:05.020 --> 00:34:08.020
  • gonna scare the tar out of these
  • 00:34:08.020 --> 00:34:09.130
  • other people who don't have a
  • 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:12.120
  • clue what's going on.
  • 00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:14.120
  • And so I compliment you and I
  • 00:34:14.140 --> 00:34:17.140
  • wanna do it on air for making
  • 00:34:17.140 --> 00:34:19.050
  • the changes that you have made.
  • 00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:21.250
  • And I'll tell you, when you make
  • 00:34:21.250 --> 00:34:23.170
  • changes, there's always gonna be
  • 00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:26.120
  • people that aren't gonna like
  • 00:34:26.120 --> 00:34:27.100
  • it, always.
  • 00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:29.010
  • And there's always gonna be
  • 00:34:29.010 --> 00:34:31.190
  • people that maybe can't go with
  • 00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:33.220
  • you to the next level.
  • 00:34:33.220 --> 00:34:35.120
  • And I remember very well John
  • 00:34:35.180 --> 00:34:38.180
  • Maxwell, a great teaching he
  • 00:34:38.180 --> 00:34:39.270
  • does about the law of the lid
  • 00:34:39.270 --> 00:34:42.000
  • and how sometimes a person that
  • 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.240
  • helped you get to here and was
  • 00:34:44.240 --> 00:34:47.050
  • great.
  • 00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:47.250
  • They did a phenomenal job.
  • 00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:48.290
  • They're important to you.
  • 00:34:48.290 --> 00:34:49.260
  • You love them.
  • 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.180
  • They're awesome.
  • 00:34:50.180 --> 00:34:51.220
  • But they can't get you to here.
  • 00:34:51.220 --> 00:34:54.200
  • - Laurie: The law of the lid.
  • 00:34:54.200 --> 00:34:55.170
  • - Joyce: And you know, probably
  • 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:56.290
  • one of the hardest things that I
  • 00:34:56.290 --> 00:34:58.090
  • ever had to deal with in my life
  • 00:34:58.090 --> 00:34:59.190
  • was when I first started, we
  • 00:34:59.190 --> 00:35:02.010
  • just hired a dozen good old guys
  • 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:05.130
  • and good old girls that, you
  • 00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:07.210
  • know, friends of mine that went
  • 00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:09.040
  • to church with me that just
  • 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:10.100
  • would work their heads off and
  • 00:35:10.100 --> 00:35:12.010
  • it was good in the beginning.
  • 00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:13.130
  • It was like a mom and pop
  • 00:35:13.130 --> 00:35:14.170
  • organization.
  • 00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:15.230
  • But when we started needed TV
  • 00:35:15.230 --> 00:35:17.100
  • producers and media specialists
  • 00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:19.220
  • and things like that, we had to
  • 00:35:19.220 --> 00:35:21.270
  • have another--we had to have
  • 00:35:22.290 --> 00:35:25.290
  • people then that had more
  • 00:35:25.290 --> 00:35:27.000
  • experience in those areas.
  • 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.250
  • And it was the hardest--I mean,
  • 00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:30.270
  • gut-wrenchingly hard to have to
  • 00:35:30.270 --> 00:35:33.160
  • tell somebody who's been so
  • 00:35:33.160 --> 00:35:35.060
  • faithful and so amazing that I
  • 00:35:35.110 --> 00:35:38.110
  • just feel like it's a new
  • 00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:40.140
  • season.
  • 00:35:40.140 --> 00:35:41.040
  • You know, that frightens people
  • 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:43.050
  • and I am very loyal and so in
  • 00:35:43.100 --> 00:35:46.100
  • some cases I let it go way, way,
  • 00:35:46.100 --> 00:35:48.150
  • way too long because I didn't
  • 00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:49.230
  • wanna hurt anybody.
  • 00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:51.000
  • And really, in the long run, you
  • 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.190
  • end up hurting people worse.
  • 00:35:52.190 --> 00:35:54.150
  • - Matt: Are you saying in this
  • 00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:55.240
  • entire section here of this
  • 00:35:55.240 --> 00:35:57.250
  • broadcast that finishing well
  • 00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.070
  • requires change?
  • 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:01.150
  • - Joyce: Absolutely,
  • 00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:02.280
  • absolutely.
  • 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.010
  • I mean, even the way that I used
  • 00:36:04.010 --> 00:36:05.160
  • to dress, Matt.
  • 00:36:05.160 --> 00:36:06.210
  • I mean, everything had
  • 00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:08.200
  • rhinestones on it.
  • 00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:10.130
  • My earrings were long enough to
  • 00:36:10.130 --> 00:36:11.140
  • hit my shoulders and, you know,
  • 00:36:11.140 --> 00:36:13.040
  • it just--that was good for then
  • 00:36:13.220 --> 00:36:16.220
  • but I didn't realize that God
  • 00:36:16.220 --> 00:36:18.230
  • could anoint denim.
  • 00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:19.140
  • I mean, I thought you could only
  • 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.000
  • have an anointing if you had on
  • 00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:28.010
  • a three-piece suit for Dave and,
  • 00:36:28.010 --> 00:36:29.290
  • you know, decked out to the max.
  • 00:36:29.290 --> 00:36:32.130
  • And I'm still probably more
  • 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:34.040
  • inclined to go a little bit to
  • 00:36:34.040 --> 00:36:36.130
  • the other side.
  • 00:36:36.130 --> 00:36:37.150
  • But at our women's conference
  • 00:36:37.150 --> 00:36:39.140
  • this year, which is now past, we
  • 00:36:39.140 --> 00:36:42.010
  • had a "Sparkle and Shine Night."
  • 00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:43.260
  • And they wanted everybody to
  • 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.070
  • wear something a little sparkly
  • 00:36:45.070 --> 00:36:46.120
  • or shiny.
  • 00:36:46.120 --> 00:36:47.060
  • I could not find one thing in my
  • 00:36:47.060 --> 00:36:48.160
  • closet that even had a
  • 00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:50.150
  • rhinestone on it.
  • 00:36:50.150 --> 00:36:51.110
  • And I went back to them and I
  • 00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:52.100
  • said, "It took you 5 years to
  • 00:36:52.100 --> 00:36:54.060
  • get me to clean my closet out.
  • 00:36:54.060 --> 00:36:55.120
  • Now you want me to go find
  • 00:36:55.120 --> 00:36:56.150
  • something."
  • 00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:57.060
  • - Matt: Where are those
  • 00:36:57.060 --> 00:36:58.070
  • St. Johns?
  • 00:36:58.070 --> 00:36:59.270
  • - Joyce: Oh, Matt, I had
  • 00:36:59.270 --> 00:37:01.190
  • a closet full of 'em.
  • 00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:03.220
  • When I go back and look at some
  • 00:37:04.020 --> 00:37:07.020
  • of the stuff, I'm like,
  • 00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:09.050
  • "Oh my gosh."
  • 00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:10.120
  • And so you--we gotta
  • 00:37:10.120 --> 00:37:12.020
  • realize that the world is
  • 00:37:12.020 --> 00:37:14.050
  • changing.
  • 00:37:14.050 --> 00:37:14.250
  • And in many instances, it's not
  • 00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:16.150
  • changing for the better.
  • 00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:17.110
  • But the people that need the
  • 00:37:17.160 --> 00:37:20.160
  • most help are not gonna buy in
  • 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:23.200
  • to some of that.
  • 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:24.160
  • Like I said, you don't change
  • 00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:25.220
  • your message.
  • 00:37:25.220 --> 00:37:27.020
  • You don't change your morals.
  • 00:37:27.020 --> 00:37:28.110
  • I mean, I hate it when people
  • 00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.260
  • wanna say it's okay to sin
  • 00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:32.150
  • because it's the 21st century.
  • 00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:34.000
  • It's, like, the Bible is always
  • 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.210
  • the Bible and God's not gonna
  • 00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:37.240
  • change his morals.
  • 00:37:37.240 --> 00:37:38.240
  • But it doesn't--it hasn't hurt
  • 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:41.030
  • me to put on clothes that maybe
  • 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:43.270
  • don't exactly look like I'm 74.
  • 00:37:43.270 --> 00:37:46.220
  • I'm not trying to look 20 but I
  • 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.280
  • try to dress in good taste but
  • 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.220
  • we--I think it's important that
  • 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.050
  • we are willing to make some
  • 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:57.030
  • changes to relate to people that
  • 00:37:57.210 --> 00:38:00.230
  • maybe don't get it just the way
  • 00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:03.150
  • I'm used to putting it out.
  • 00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:05.150
  • - Matt: I remember being
  • 00:38:05.150 --> 00:38:06.230
  • impacted by Erwin McManus
  • 00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:08.180
  • saying, "I don't do my service
  • 00:38:08.180 --> 00:38:11.110
  • at my church for the people that
  • 00:38:11.110 --> 00:38:13.040
  • are in the church.
  • 00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:14.050
  • I do it for the ones that bypass
  • 00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:16.010
  • the church and are
  • 00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:16.230
  • still out there on
  • 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:17.160
  • the sidewalk and never came in."
  • 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:19.240
  • And that's one of the
  • 00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:20.190
  • reasons we put Mike Huckabee
  • 00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:22.020
  • back on the show, trying to get
  • 00:38:22.020 --> 00:38:23.180
  • those kind of, you know,
  • 00:38:23.180 --> 00:38:25.040
  • viewers, the people that
  • 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:26.220
  • wouldn't normally go to TBN.
  • 00:38:26.220 --> 00:38:29.010
  • We're trying to get others to
  • 00:38:29.010 --> 00:38:30.120
  • stop now and bring in some
  • 00:38:30.120 --> 00:38:32.060
  • changes for our broadcasts.
  • 00:38:32.060 --> 00:38:33.230
  • - Laurie: Yeah, and you know,
  • 00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:34.220
  • TBN, geez, 44 years now, has
  • 00:38:34.220 --> 00:38:37.100
  • been spreading the gospel around
  • 00:38:37.100 --> 00:38:39.050
  • the world.
  • 00:38:39.050 --> 00:38:39.250
  • You've been a huge part of it
  • 00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:42.090
  • but even some of the ones that
  • 00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:44.100
  • helped start TBN and, you know,
  • 00:38:45.010 --> 00:38:48.010
  • we've lost them but one of the
  • 00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:50.240
  • big deals was that we took our
  • 00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:52.220
  • "Praise the Lord" program and
  • 00:38:52.220 --> 00:38:55.210
  • cut it down to "Praise."
  • 00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:57.180
  • - Joyce: Right, yeah.
  • 00:38:57.180 --> 00:38:58.080
  • - Matt: So get the Lord right
  • 00:38:58.080 --> 00:38:59.210
  • off there, you know?
  • 00:38:59.210 --> 00:39:00.150
  • - Laurie: Okay, well, we've
  • 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:01.050
  • just fallen off the wagon and
  • 00:39:01.050 --> 00:39:02.180
  • we've gone secular now because
  • 00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:04.010
  • we--well, we just went back to
  • 00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:06.040
  • something Mom and Dad did years
  • 00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:07.220
  • ago.
  • 00:39:07.220 --> 00:39:08.120
  • They cut it down to "Praise."
  • 00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:09.100
  • Around TBN when we talk about
  • 00:39:09.100 --> 00:39:11.260
  • the "Praise the Lord" program,
  • 00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:12.200
  • we call it "Praise."
  • 00:39:12.200 --> 00:39:13.260
  • Just thought we would revamp it
  • 00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:15.060
  • a little bit but, you know,
  • 00:39:15.060 --> 00:39:16.190
  • but we've taken the Lord out.
  • 00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:17.290
  • But we've lost dear friendships
  • 00:39:17.290 --> 00:39:20.090
  • over that, you know?
  • 00:39:20.090 --> 00:39:21.140
  • Just of the older, not--but you
  • 00:39:21.140 --> 00:39:23.190
  • know what?
  • 00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:24.090
  • I do think that even our
  • 00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:26.180
  • generation is maybe better at,
  • 00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:31.110
  • even the older generation,
  • 00:39:31.110 --> 00:39:33.020
  • adapting to our kids, I think, I
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  • believe, the hairstyles and the,
  • 00:39:36.200 --> 00:39:39.140
  • you know?
  • 00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:40.040
  • And just relating better to the
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  • kids.
  • 00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:44.030
  • We're at the place where we've
  • 00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:47.180
  • kind of just, you know, turned
  • 00:39:47.180 --> 00:39:48.290
  • TBN 2.0 here and we're
  • 00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:53.090
  • not super-young, you know?
  • 00:39:53.170 --> 00:39:56.170
  • I'm 54 but I'm looking--we've
  • 00:39:56.170 --> 00:39:59.120
  • even looking at our kids,
  • 00:39:59.120 --> 00:40:00.160
  • saying, "Okay, you guys don't
  • 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.230
  • need to be redoing it again.
  • 00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:04.130
  • Let's just get it the way you
  • 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:05.200
  • want it for your generation and
  • 00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:07.230
  • trying to--"
  • 00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:09.100
  • - Matt: We're doing a little
  • 00:40:09.100 --> 00:40:10.260
  • better job setting up the next
  • 00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:13.060
  • generation so that they don't
  • 00:40:13.060 --> 00:40:14.110
  • have to make radical changes.
  • 00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:16.010
  • That's--
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  • - Joyce: That's good, that's
  • 00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:17.120
  • good.
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  • - Matt: So we're trying to look
  • 00:40:18.020 --> 00:40:19.140
  • beyond ourself because my
  • 00:40:19.140 --> 00:40:21.270
  • parents' generation who were
  • 00:40:21.270 --> 00:40:23.180
  • your senior by another 10 years
  • 00:40:23.210 --> 00:40:26.210
  • or so--
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  • - Laurie: They were going to
  • 00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:28.150
  • see the Coming of the Lord, you
  • 00:40:28.150 --> 00:40:30.000
  • know, too.
  • 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.260
  • - Matt: So that was the end of
  • 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:32.050
  • the game.
  • 00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:32.250
  • So the idea that they were the
  • 00:40:32.250 --> 00:40:34.040
  • last generation, they were very
  • 00:40:34.040 --> 00:40:36.070
  • much like that.
  • 00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:37.040
  • And so a lot of things needed to
  • 00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:38.290
  • be changed in our generation,
  • 00:40:38.290 --> 00:40:40.250
  • not so much will have to be
  • 00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:42.250
  • changed.
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:43.150
  • And I think that's one of the
  • 00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:45.040
  • lessons that you're teaching us
  • 00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:46.160
  • right now on finishing well.
  • 00:40:46.160 --> 00:40:47.290
  • So we've got about 15 more
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  • minutes left.
  • 00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:50.170
  • I just wanna say that if you
  • 00:40:50.170 --> 00:40:52.040
  • just tuned in, Joyce Meyer has
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  • been our guest all hour.
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  • "Unshakeable Trust" is her
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  • latest book.
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  • The 800 number that has popped
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  • in and out during this broadcast
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  • is for you.
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  • Just your latest book.
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  • We did a whole hour on that on
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  • another broadcast.
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  • We're here in South Florida.
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  • This is a real ocean.
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  • That's a legitimate ocean.
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  • That's the Atlantic Ocean.
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  • It's beautiful today.
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  • We're here in the South Florida
  • 00:41:19.150 --> 00:41:20.240
  • area and the place where Dave
  • 00:41:20.290 --> 00:41:23.290
  • and Joyce call home, so.
  • 00:41:23.290 --> 00:41:26.140
  • - Laurie: How has your message
  • 00:41:26.140 --> 00:41:28.100
  • changed for a lack of a better
  • 00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:30.010
  • word, to the younger generation?
  • 00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:33.060
  • - Joyce: Well, for one thing,
  • 00:41:33.060 --> 00:41:34.070
  • and we did this--we've done this
  • 00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:37.290
  • before and we're actually doing
  • 00:41:37.290 --> 00:41:38.290
  • it with some other books right
  • 00:41:38.290 --> 00:41:39.230
  • now.
  • 00:41:39.230 --> 00:41:40.180
  • We're going through and updating
  • 00:41:40.180 --> 00:41:42.200
  • the language.
  • 00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:44.180
  • You know, like, things that
  • 00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:45.120
  • happened when we were back in
  • 00:41:45.120 --> 00:41:46.280
  • the heyday of the era that we
  • 00:41:48.020 --> 00:41:51.020
  • were in, I mean, you used
  • 00:41:51.020 --> 00:41:54.020
  • terminology that doesn't even
  • 00:41:54.020 --> 00:41:55.130
  • make any sense to people now.
  • 00:41:55.130 --> 00:41:57.110
  • And so to leave that--so we
  • 00:41:57.110 --> 00:41:59.170
  • changed some of that.
  • 00:41:59.170 --> 00:42:01.010
  • I changed a little bit of just
  • 00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:03.250
  • maybe getting rid of some of our
  • 00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:05.150
  • Christianese, you know?
  • 00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:11.140
  • Even like, a pet thing to say to
  • 00:42:11.140 --> 00:42:13.210
  • everybody back then when they
  • 00:42:13.210 --> 00:42:14.240
  • were hurting is, "Well, just
  • 00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:15.210
  • praise the Lord anyway."
  • 00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:16.220
  • And I remember my aunt who was
  • 00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:19.090
  • a Baptist, when my uncle died a
  • 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.260
  • girl that worked for me came to
  • 00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:24.210
  • the funeral home out of respect
  • 00:42:24.210 --> 00:42:25.280
  • for me and when my aunt was
  • 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.220
  • talking to her about everything
  • 00:42:28.220 --> 00:42:30.210
  • that she was going through,
  • 00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:31.230
  • "Well, you know, just praise
  • 00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:33.170
  • the Lord anyway."
  • 00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:34.130
  • Well, my aunt was
  • 00:42:34.130 --> 00:42:35.090
  • so offended because, first of
  • 00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:37.100
  • all, she didn't even understand
  • 00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:38.080
  • that.
  • 00:42:38.080 --> 00:42:38.280
  • And so we have to be careful
  • 00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:42.120
  • about all of our little phrases
  • 00:42:42.120 --> 00:42:44.170
  • that make sense to us that don't
  • 00:42:44.170 --> 00:42:46.070
  • make sense to anybody else.
  • 00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:48.060
  • So that's one of the things.
  • 00:42:48.060 --> 00:42:49.100
  • You know, I did change the way
  • 00:42:49.100 --> 00:42:50.160
  • that I dress.
  • 00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:51.290
  • As far as my messages, I still
  • 00:42:51.290 --> 00:42:54.070
  • teach the same thing, exactly
  • 00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:57.110
  • the same thing.
  • 00:42:57.110 --> 00:42:58.160
  • But, I mean, there's things,
  • 00:42:59.050 --> 00:43:02.070
  • like, okay, the word
  • 00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:03.290
  • "prosperity" just got to the
  • 00:43:03.290 --> 00:43:05.080
  • point where it just made so many
  • 00:43:05.080 --> 00:43:06.280
  • people so mad because there were
  • 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.270
  • excesses.
  • 00:43:08.270 --> 00:43:09.230
  • There were--you know, any
  • 00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:11.250
  • teaching, any movement of God,
  • 00:43:13.080 --> 00:43:16.080
  • almost always gets to be
  • 00:43:16.080 --> 00:43:17.170
  • excessive in some way but the
  • 00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:19.080
  • mistake we make is throwing out
  • 00:43:19.080 --> 00:43:21.000
  • the good part with the part that
  • 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.150
  • you wanna keep.
  • 00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:24.050
  • So I rarely use that word now.
  • 00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:26.180
  • I still believe that God wants
  • 00:43:26.180 --> 00:43:27.270
  • to bless people but I've learned
  • 00:43:27.270 --> 00:43:30.130
  • along the way that he doesn't
  • 00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:32.100
  • wanna give you more than you can
  • 00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:33.200
  • handle.
  • 00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:34.100
  • He doesn't want to bless you
  • 00:43:34.100 --> 00:43:36.240
  • with something beyond your level
  • 00:43:36.240 --> 00:43:38.190
  • of maturity.
  • 00:43:38.190 --> 00:43:39.100
  • He looks at what are you gonna
  • 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:42.200
  • do with your blessings.
  • 00:43:42.200 --> 00:43:43.160
  • Are you gonna use them to be a
  • 00:43:43.160 --> 00:43:44.210
  • blessing to other people?
  • 00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:46.050
  • So I might use the word
  • 00:43:46.050 --> 00:43:47.100
  • "blessings" now instead of that
  • 00:43:48.020 --> 00:43:51.020
  • word.
  • 00:43:51.020 --> 00:43:51.220
  • I mean, that's just one example
  • 00:43:51.220 --> 00:43:52.180
  • that I can give you.
  • 00:43:52.180 --> 00:43:53.140
  • And do you understand what I'm
  • 00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:55.020
  • saying?
  • 00:43:55.020 --> 00:43:55.220
  • It's, like--
  • 00:43:55.220 --> 00:43:56.120
  • - Matt: I totally understand,
  • 00:43:56.120 --> 00:43:57.030
  • absolutely.
  • 00:43:57.030 --> 00:43:57.220
  • - Joyce: Yeah, you just--you
  • 00:43:57.220 --> 00:43:58.130
  • kind of--don't be saying stuff
  • 00:43:58.130 --> 00:43:59.160
  • that nobody understands.
  • 00:43:59.160 --> 00:44:00.220
  • Or even things that they might
  • 00:44:00.220 --> 00:44:03.040
  • be offended by that you don't
  • 00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:07.160
  • see as offensive because you got
  • 00:44:08.050 --> 00:44:11.050
  • it but you got it 30 years ago
  • 00:44:11.050 --> 00:44:13.080
  • and now today, nobody gets it.
  • 00:44:13.080 --> 00:44:15.250
  • So that's one of the things.
  • 00:44:15.250 --> 00:44:17.190
  • - Matt: Joyce Meyer is teaching
  • 00:44:17.190 --> 00:44:19.110
  • us about finishing well.
  • 00:44:19.110 --> 00:44:21.070
  • What else do we need to know?
  • 00:44:21.070 --> 00:44:22.100
  • We've got about 10 minutes left.
  • 00:44:22.100 --> 00:44:24.200
  • - Joyce: Well, I think that, to
  • 00:44:24.200 --> 00:44:26.290
  • me, and I've got a sign like
  • 00:44:26.290 --> 00:44:28.250
  • this in my bathroom, "Never,
  • 00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:30.010
  • never, never give up."
  • 00:44:30.010 --> 00:44:31.230
  • And I can honestly say that
  • 00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:33.180
  • that has probably been one of
  • 00:44:33.180 --> 00:44:36.000
  • my strong areas.
  • 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.200
  • I am just really, really
  • 00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:40.010
  • bull-headed when it comes to
  • 00:44:40.010 --> 00:44:42.060
  • I am not gonna quit.
  • 00:44:42.150 --> 00:44:45.150
  • I hope it's easy but if it's
  • 00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:46.220
  • not, I'm not gonna quit.
  • 00:44:46.220 --> 00:44:48.020
  • And you know, Paul said,
  • 00:44:48.020 --> 00:44:50.190
  • "Don't faint in your mind."
  • 00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:53.070
  • And I'll tell you,
  • 00:44:53.070 --> 00:44:53.270
  • if you ever wanna get
  • 00:44:53.270 --> 00:44:54.200
  • to the end of anything, whether
  • 00:44:54.200 --> 00:44:56.070
  • it's cleaning out your closet,
  • 00:44:56.070 --> 00:44:58.110
  • exercising, losing weight, you
  • 00:44:58.130 --> 00:45:01.150
  • have to have the mindset: "this
  • 00:45:03.250 --> 00:45:06.250
  • is not all gonna be easy."
  • 00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:08.280
  • I think a lot of times people
  • 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.000
  • aren't realistic.
  • 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:11.060
  • You know, in Luke 14 it says:
  • 00:45:11.060 --> 00:45:12.090
  • "Count the cost."
  • 00:45:12.090 --> 00:45:13.210
  • Jesus said, "Who starts
  • 00:45:13.210 --> 00:45:15.200
  • to build a building without
  • 00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:17.120
  • counting the cost to see
  • 00:45:17.120 --> 00:45:18.190
  • if he's got what it takes to
  • 00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:19.230
  • finish, otherwise he's just
  • 00:45:19.230 --> 00:45:21.190
  • gonna look foolish."
  • 00:45:21.190 --> 00:45:23.080
  • And so back to what
  • 00:45:23.080 --> 00:45:24.280
  • Darlene Zschech said to me
  • 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.040
  • about "I think through what
  • 00:45:26.040 --> 00:45:28.030
  • it's going to take."
  • 00:45:28.030 --> 00:45:29.150
  • Okay, it's very easy
  • 00:45:29.150 --> 00:45:30.270
  • for me to declare that
  • 00:45:30.270 --> 00:45:31.260
  • I'm gonna go on a diet on
  • 00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.270
  • Sunday night after dinner.
  • 00:45:32.270 --> 00:45:33.280
  • But what happens by Tuesday
  • 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.000
  • afternoon when my stomach is
  • 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.020
  • yelling at me and I feel like
  • 00:45:38.020 --> 00:45:41.000
  • I'm gonna starve to death, you
  • 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.140
  • know?
  • 00:45:43.140 --> 00:45:44.040
  • So you gotta know going in to
  • 00:45:44.040 --> 00:45:45.160
  • things that it's not always
  • 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.280
  • going to be easy.
  • 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.090
  • Okay, my little walk, all right,
  • 00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:51.210
  • that I take every day.
  • 00:45:51.210 --> 00:45:52.130
  • Well, it's been a long time
  • 00:45:53.160 --> 00:45:56.160
  • since I've had that walk here in
  • 00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:57.260
  • Florida.
  • 00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:59.050
  • I've been in my city and was
  • 00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:01.090
  • actually even in Utah for a
  • 00:46:01.090 --> 00:46:02.180
  • while where the weather is just
  • 00:46:02.180 --> 00:46:03.250
  • beautiful every morning and no
  • 00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:05.100
  • humidity.
  • 00:46:05.100 --> 00:46:06.090
  • I mean, you could run 10 miles
  • 00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:08.090
  • and wouldn't even sweat.
  • 00:46:08.090 --> 00:46:10.260
  • In our home it's been a little
  • 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:13.170
  • bit cooler than normal so I come
  • 00:46:13.170 --> 00:46:16.130
  • down here and I'm going out to
  • 00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:17.170
  • take my walk today and I walk
  • 00:46:17.270 --> 00:46:20.270
  • out the door and it's, like...
  • 00:46:20.270 --> 00:46:22.140
  • Can I even breathe?
  • 00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:25.150
  • And so--
  • 00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:26.100
  • - Laurie: That's what I said
  • 00:46:26.100 --> 00:46:27.110
  • this morning: "I can't hardly
  • 00:46:27.110 --> 00:46:28.250
  • breathe."
  • 00:46:28.250 --> 00:46:29.150
  • - Joyce: So by the time I
  • 00:46:29.150 --> 00:46:30.260
  • walked a mile and a half, I was,
  • 00:46:30.260 --> 00:46:33.160
  • like, sweating and panting, you
  • 00:46:33.160 --> 00:46:35.250
  • know.
  • 00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:36.150
  • I got to about 3 miles and I did
  • 00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:38.040
  • something I never do.
  • 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:39.040
  • I had to find a park bench and
  • 00:46:39.040 --> 00:46:40.270
  • sit down for a minute.
  • 00:46:40.270 --> 00:46:42.070
  • I was just like, "My gosh,
  • 00:46:42.070 --> 00:46:43.160
  • it is so hot."
  • 00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:44.160
  • And so I ended up
  • 00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:46.030
  • finishing at about 4.5 miles
  • 00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:48.000
  • which is still a little less
  • 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.020
  • than what I would normally like
  • 00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:50.260
  • to do but--so the bottom line
  • 00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:52.260
  • is, is in Utah I was
  • 00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:53.220
  • comfortable.
  • 00:46:53.220 --> 00:46:55.120
  • Here I was very uncomfortable
  • 00:46:55.120 --> 00:46:57.000
  • but I did it anyway.
  • 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:57.230
  • And I'm going back out again
  • 00:46:57.230 --> 00:46:59.060
  • tomorrow.
  • 00:46:59.060 --> 00:46:59.260
  • So whatever it is, you've gotta
  • 00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:02.170
  • figure that it's not always
  • 00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:05.110
  • gonna be likeable.
  • 00:47:05.110 --> 00:47:06.080
  • It's--I mean, that's like
  • 00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:07.060
  • walking in love.
  • 00:47:07.060 --> 00:47:08.110
  • You know, we pray, "O God, help
  • 00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:10.100
  • me love the unlovely."
  • 00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:11.110
  • And then the first unlovely
  • 00:47:11.110 --> 00:47:13.080
  • person you get around, you're,
  • 00:47:13.080 --> 00:47:14.220
  • like, "God, why did you put
  • 00:47:14.220 --> 00:47:15.260
  • them in my life?"
  • 00:47:15.260 --> 00:47:17.050
  • "Oh well, 'scuse me, I thought
  • 00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:18.060
  • you prayed to love
  • 00:47:18.060 --> 00:47:18.260
  • the unlovely."
  • 00:47:18.260 --> 00:47:19.160
  • So to get from here
  • 00:47:20.140 --> 00:47:23.140
  • to where you wanna be you've
  • 00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:25.210
  • always got to go through the
  • 00:47:25.210 --> 00:47:27.130
  • middle.
  • 00:47:27.130 --> 00:47:28.030
  • Like, one thing that comes to my
  • 00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:29.140
  • mind is, like, to be in
  • 00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:31.210
  • authority which everybody wants
  • 00:47:31.210 --> 00:47:33.130
  • to be in authority, you have to
  • 00:47:33.130 --> 00:47:35.210
  • learn how to come under
  • 00:47:35.210 --> 00:47:36.150
  • authority.
  • 00:47:36.150 --> 00:47:37.120
  • So I did 5 years of home Bible
  • 00:47:37.160 --> 00:47:40.160
  • studies.
  • 00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:42.170
  • I was the only one there.
  • 00:47:42.170 --> 00:47:43.100
  • I could do what I wanted to, you
  • 00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:44.200
  • know, me and the people that
  • 00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:45.100
  • came.
  • 00:47:45.100 --> 00:47:46.000
  • But it was my Bible study, my
  • 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:46.210
  • home.
  • 00:47:46.210 --> 00:47:47.100
  • Nobody's telling me what to do.
  • 00:47:47.100 --> 00:47:49.100
  • So then I went to work at a
  • 00:47:49.100 --> 00:47:50.270
  • church when I was 36 and the man
  • 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.280
  • that I worked for was 26.
  • 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.210
  • And yes, we're still great
  • 00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:57.110
  • friends but we both thought we
  • 00:47:57.110 --> 00:48:00.050
  • knew everything and neither one
  • 00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:01.090
  • of us knew anything.
  • 00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:02.170
  • Well, we both had a strong
  • 00:48:02.170 --> 00:48:03.190
  • personality but he was the boss
  • 00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:06.020
  • and he was a little stronger
  • 00:48:06.020 --> 00:48:07.010
  • than me and I can tell you what,
  • 00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:10.000
  • I didn't always agree with him,
  • 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.090
  • I didn't always like everything
  • 00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:14.020
  • but, man, did God use that in my
  • 00:48:14.100 --> 00:48:17.100
  • life to teach me, I mean, a lot
  • 00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:20.110
  • of things.
  • 00:48:20.110 --> 00:48:21.010
  • Like, even like, not going home
  • 00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:23.160
  • and murmuring and complaining to
  • 00:48:23.160 --> 00:48:25.210
  • Dave about things that I didn't
  • 00:48:25.210 --> 00:48:26.280
  • like at work.
  • 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.230
  • And one of the things I remember
  • 00:48:28.230 --> 00:48:30.150
  • the Lord speaking to me is,
  • 00:48:30.150 --> 00:48:31.140
  • "It's not who you're talking to
  • 00:48:31.140 --> 00:48:33.030
  • that does the damage, Joyce.
  • 00:48:33.030 --> 00:48:34.050
  • It's the words you're putting
  • 00:48:34.050 --> 00:48:35.070
  • out in the air."
  • 00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:35.270
  • And so I had to learn
  • 00:48:36.070 --> 00:48:39.070
  • to say good things or not
  • 00:48:40.110 --> 00:48:43.110
  • to say anything at all in that
  • 00:48:43.110 --> 00:48:44.170
  • situation.
  • 00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:45.070
  • So a lot of people, you wanna do
  • 00:48:45.070 --> 00:48:48.050
  • something.
  • 00:48:48.050 --> 00:48:48.250
  • You wanna do something big but,
  • 00:48:48.250 --> 00:48:50.290
  • right now, you're under somebody
  • 00:48:50.290 --> 00:48:52.090
  • else's authority and you don't
  • 00:48:52.090 --> 00:48:53.150
  • like that.
  • 00:48:53.150 --> 00:48:54.180
  • And your message is, "Get me out
  • 00:48:54.180 --> 00:48:56.110
  • of here," or even worse, people
  • 00:48:56.110 --> 00:48:59.040
  • leave somewhere before God's
  • 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:00.190
  • finished with them.
  • 00:49:00.190 --> 00:49:02.210
  • And then they never succeed at
  • 00:49:02.210 --> 00:49:04.080
  • what they're supposed to be
  • 00:49:04.080 --> 00:49:05.040
  • doing because they wouldn't go
  • 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:06.210
  • through the preparation and they
  • 00:49:06.210 --> 00:49:08.060
  • need it.
  • 00:49:08.060 --> 00:49:08.270
  • - Matt: We're talking about
  • 00:49:08.270 --> 00:49:09.270
  • finishing well.
  • 00:49:09.270 --> 00:49:11.290
  • We're not talking about
  • 00:49:11.290 --> 00:49:12.290
  • catastrophic things like divorce
  • 00:49:12.290 --> 00:49:15.210
  • and moral failure and having an
  • 00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:17.220
  • affair.
  • 00:49:17.220 --> 00:49:18.120
  • That's not finishing at all.
  • 00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:19.140
  • That's, you know, basically a
  • 00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:23.190
  • head-on collision and many of
  • 00:49:24.080 --> 00:49:27.080
  • those people don't finish.
  • 00:49:27.080 --> 00:49:28.210
  • We're talking about finishing
  • 00:49:28.210 --> 00:49:29.190
  • well.
  • 00:49:29.190 --> 00:49:30.090
  • So you're talking about learning
  • 00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:32.060
  • these things and what got you to
  • 00:49:32.060 --> 00:49:34.220
  • the point.
  • 00:49:34.220 --> 00:49:35.120
  • You're talking about change.
  • 00:49:35.120 --> 00:49:36.140
  • You're talking about
  • 00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:37.210
  • bull-headedness.
  • 00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:38.240
  • You're talking about not giving
  • 00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:40.000
  • up, not quitting.
  • 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:40.240
  • You're talking about not letting
  • 00:49:41.050 --> 00:49:44.050
  • something permeate.
  • 00:49:44.050 --> 00:49:45.070
  • Let me take it--one of the
  • 00:49:45.070 --> 00:49:46.050
  • takeaways that I'm getting from
  • 00:49:46.050 --> 00:49:47.190
  • this is you're not letting a
  • 00:49:47.190 --> 00:49:50.020
  • failure determine even anything
  • 00:49:51.130 --> 00:49:54.130
  • but that was part of my
  • 00:49:54.130 --> 00:49:55.100
  • preparation for something else.
  • 00:49:55.100 --> 00:49:56.200
  • - Joyce: You have to fail your
  • 00:49:56.200 --> 00:49:57.120
  • way to success.
  • 00:49:57.120 --> 00:49:58.050
  • - Matt: Fail your way to
  • 00:49:58.050 --> 00:49:59.260
  • success.
  • 00:49:59.260 --> 00:50:00.160
  • So you're talking about a whole
  • 00:50:00.160 --> 00:50:02.020
  • bunch of different things.
  • 00:50:02.020 --> 00:50:03.050
  • Change was a big part of what
  • 00:50:03.050 --> 00:50:05.160
  • we've discussed.
  • 00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:06.190
  • What else is kind of a lesson?
  • 00:50:07.160 --> 00:50:10.160
  • The Joyce that we're sitting
  • 00:50:10.160 --> 00:50:12.050
  • with is 74, looking good,
  • 00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:14.220
  • sounding good.
  • 00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:16.020
  • Ninety languages in her
  • 00:50:16.020 --> 00:50:17.100
  • broadcast.
  • 00:50:17.100 --> 00:50:18.040
  • It's on around the world.
  • 00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:19.110
  • The accolades could go on and on
  • 00:50:19.110 --> 00:50:22.060
  • and on.
  • 00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:23.000
  • One of the--one of the largest
  • 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.120
  • television ministries in the
  • 00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:27.010
  • world.
  • 00:50:27.010 --> 00:50:27.210
  • So we wanna hear kind of your
  • 00:50:27.210 --> 00:50:29.220
  • last--we wanna give you the last
  • 00:50:29.220 --> 00:50:31.150
  • 5 minutes.
  • 00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:32.050
  • Just what else do you want us to
  • 00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:34.040
  • listen to in regard to finishing
  • 00:50:34.040 --> 00:50:35.230
  • well?
  • 00:50:35.230 --> 00:50:36.130
  • - Joyce: Okay, well, I'm so
  • 00:50:36.130 --> 00:50:37.100
  • grateful for the Holy Spirit
  • 00:50:37.100 --> 00:50:38.120
  • 'cause when you first started, I
  • 00:50:38.120 --> 00:50:39.230
  • thought, "What am I gonna say
  • 00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:40.140
  • now?"
  • 00:50:40.140 --> 00:50:41.040
  • And he always gives you what he
  • 00:50:41.040 --> 00:50:42.290
  • wants you to say.
  • 00:50:42.290 --> 00:50:43.190
  • So the thing that I'm thinking
  • 00:50:43.190 --> 00:50:44.230
  • about is anybody who wants to do
  • 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:47.080
  • anything sizeable, you're gonna
  • 00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:49.160
  • have to have people to help you.
  • 00:50:49.160 --> 00:50:51.000
  • - Matt: Got it.
  • 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.010
  • - Joyce: And you don't have all
  • 00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:54.110
  • the gifts.
  • 00:50:54.110 --> 00:50:55.010
  • You don't know how to do
  • 00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:55.220
  • everything yourself.
  • 00:50:55.220 --> 00:50:57.020
  • There are people that are
  • 00:50:57.020 --> 00:50:58.020
  • smarter in some areas than you
  • 00:50:58.020 --> 00:50:59.120
  • are.
  • 00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:00.110
  • And we have to have a degree of
  • 00:51:00.130 --> 00:51:03.130
  • humility to be willing to listen
  • 00:51:03.180 --> 00:51:06.180
  • to other people, to realize
  • 00:51:06.180 --> 00:51:08.210
  • we're not always right, and we
  • 00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:10.280
  • need to know how to delegate.
  • 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.260
  • You know, somebody who gives
  • 00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:14.020
  • somebody a job, a
  • 00:51:14.020 --> 00:51:16.190
  • responsibility, but won't give
  • 00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:17.230
  • them any authority, and I hope
  • 00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:21.030
  • somebody's getting this because
  • 00:51:21.030 --> 00:51:22.090
  • there are people with a ton of
  • 00:51:22.090 --> 00:51:23.170
  • potential but they won't listen
  • 00:51:23.170 --> 00:51:25.070
  • to anybody.
  • 00:51:25.070 --> 00:51:26.090
  • They're right about everything,
  • 00:51:26.090 --> 00:51:28.060
  • they won't give anybody credit
  • 00:51:28.060 --> 00:51:29.090
  • for what they do.
  • 00:51:29.090 --> 00:51:30.160
  • It's gotta be a one-man or a
  • 00:51:30.160 --> 00:51:31.250
  • one-woman show, and I just--I
  • 00:51:31.250 --> 00:51:34.190
  • feel that in my heart right now.
  • 00:51:34.190 --> 00:51:36.090
  • If you're wanting a place to
  • 00:51:36.090 --> 00:51:38.070
  • land, I think you gotta realize
  • 00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:40.100
  • that you're gonna have to have
  • 00:51:40.100 --> 00:51:41.250
  • people help you and if you want
  • 00:51:41.250 --> 00:51:43.100
  • people to help you, you gotta
  • 00:51:43.100 --> 00:51:45.000
  • learn how to be nice to them.
  • 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.080
  • You gotta learn how to treat
  • 00:51:46.080 --> 00:51:48.080
  • people right, treat them the way
  • 00:51:48.080 --> 00:51:49.270
  • that you would want to be
  • 00:51:49.270 --> 00:51:50.250
  • treated.
  • 00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:51.240
  • We are--nobody is an island unto
  • 00:51:51.240 --> 00:51:53.190
  • themselves.
  • 00:51:53.190 --> 00:51:55.030
  • We all have gifts.
  • 00:51:55.030 --> 00:51:56.190
  • We all have strengths.
  • 00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:58.030
  • We all have weaknesses.
  • 00:51:58.030 --> 00:51:59.190
  • I can do what I can do but I
  • 00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:02.030
  • can't do what you're doing.
  • 00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:04.140
  • And a lot of other people
  • 00:52:04.140 --> 00:52:05.160
  • couldn't.
  • 00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:06.060
  • But you can't do it either
  • 00:52:06.060 --> 00:52:08.130
  • unless you have a guest like me
  • 00:52:08.130 --> 00:52:09.230
  • to come and be on the--so you
  • 00:52:09.230 --> 00:52:11.210
  • need all these people that do
  • 00:52:11.210 --> 00:52:13.070
  • all the--the laborer, the
  • 00:52:13.070 --> 00:52:14.250
  • mechanics.
  • 00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:15.150
  • It's like, I said to you, "I bet
  • 00:52:15.150 --> 00:52:16.250
  • it was a lot of work to set this
  • 00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:18.200
  • room up, to bring all your
  • 00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:19.230
  • equipment," and you're, like,
  • 00:52:19.230 --> 00:52:20.170
  • "Wasn't hard for me.
  • 00:52:20.170 --> 00:52:22.240
  • You know why?
  • 00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:23.140
  • Because we didn't do it.
  • 00:52:23.140 --> 00:52:25.150
  • All we had to do was show up."
  • 00:52:25.150 --> 00:52:27.160
  • But I had to prepare and pray
  • 00:52:27.160 --> 00:52:29.060
  • and believe God to say the right
  • 00:52:29.060 --> 00:52:30.260
  • things and so always realize
  • 00:52:30.260 --> 00:52:33.260
  • that we all need each other.
  • 00:52:34.040 --> 00:52:37.040
  • Don't think more highly of
  • 00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:38.000
  • yourself than you ought to.
  • 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.010
  • But see yourself according to
  • 00:52:39.010 --> 00:52:41.160
  • the grace of God.
  • 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:42.260
  • What I'm good at, I'm only good
  • 00:52:42.260 --> 00:52:44.060
  • at it because God has given me
  • 00:52:44.060 --> 00:52:45.140
  • the grace to do it.
  • 00:52:45.140 --> 00:52:46.280
  • And I need to respect other
  • 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.100
  • people's gifts and realize that
  • 00:52:48.100 --> 00:52:50.210
  • I need them too.
  • 00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:52.100
  • - Matt: Could you have done
  • 00:52:52.100 --> 00:52:53.000
  • that off-camera to me, instead
  • 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:54.130
  • of in front of the whole world
  • 00:52:54.130 --> 00:52:55.200
  • 'cause I know you were doing
  • 00:52:55.200 --> 00:52:56.160
  • that directly to me.
  • 00:52:56.160 --> 00:52:57.180
  • - Joyce: Well, I don't know who
  • 00:52:57.180 --> 00:52:58.280
  • the word was for, Matt.
  • 00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.210
  • - Laurie: I do.
  • 00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:01.230
  • - Joyce: But I told you it was
  • 00:53:01.230 --> 00:53:04.120
  • from the Lord.
  • 00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:06.050
  • - Laurie: One good thing about
  • 00:53:06.050 --> 00:53:07.200
  • him is he's always saying, "I
  • 00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:10.010
  • need to hire the guys, you know,
  • 00:53:10.010 --> 00:53:12.270
  • that I have that can do things I
  • 00:53:12.270 --> 00:53:14.190
  • can't do.
  • 00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:15.210
  • If I can do your job,
  • 00:53:15.210 --> 00:53:16.110
  • then I don't need you.
  • 00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:17.080
  • I need you to do stuff better--"
  • 00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:18.280
  • - Matt: You need to do things
  • 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:19.190
  • better than me.
  • 00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:20.050
  • I love that idea.
  • 00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:21.170
  • - Joyce: And to manage them
  • 00:53:21.170 --> 00:53:22.130
  • but not micromanage them.
  • 00:53:22.130 --> 00:53:23.250
  • - Laurie: Exactly.
  • 00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:24.220
  • - Matt: Could you have done
  • 00:53:24.220 --> 00:53:25.170
  • that off-camera?
  • 00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:26.150
  • Is there any chance we could
  • 00:53:26.150 --> 00:53:27.100
  • have just privately had this
  • 00:53:27.100 --> 00:53:28.190
  • conversation at all?
  • 00:53:28.190 --> 00:53:30.140
  • - Joyce: You know what we have
  • 00:53:30.140 --> 00:53:31.100
  • to do sometimes, Matt?
  • 00:53:31.100 --> 00:53:32.190
  • We have to let somebody do it
  • 00:53:32.190 --> 00:53:35.050
  • the way they want to do it,
  • 00:53:35.250 --> 00:53:38.250
  • even if we're not that crazy
  • 00:53:38.250 --> 00:53:41.090
  • about it.
  • 00:53:41.090 --> 00:53:42.170
  • You know, I've learned, like, to
  • 00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:43.240
  • keep me from going crazy, I have
  • 00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:44.280
  • to let a lot of people at my
  • 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.220
  • ministry make a lot of decisions
  • 00:53:47.220 --> 00:53:49.150
  • and I don't necessarily love
  • 00:53:49.150 --> 00:53:51.260
  • every resource cover I see or
  • 00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:55.220
  • every this or that or something
  • 00:53:55.220 --> 00:53:56.270
  • else.
  • 00:53:56.270 --> 00:53:57.170
  • But I'm still alive and I'm
  • 00:53:57.170 --> 00:53:59.080
  • happy and I've got my sanity.
  • 00:53:59.080 --> 00:54:01.130
  • And if you don't give people any
  • 00:54:01.130 --> 00:54:02.280
  • even ever make mistakes, they
  • 00:54:06.050 --> 00:54:08.080
  • just can't stick with you very
  • 00:54:08.080 --> 00:54:09.080
  • long.
  • 00:54:09.080 --> 00:54:09.280
  • So we're gonna have to make
  • 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.150
  • changes, gonna have to stick
  • 00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:14.000
  • with it, not faint in our mind,
  • 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.060
  • not quit and give up.
  • 00:54:15.060 --> 00:54:16.240
  • Learn that you need other people
  • 00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:18.050
  • to help you if you're gonna do
  • 00:54:18.050 --> 00:54:18.260
  • something big.
  • 00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:19.280
  • Make sure you treat them right.
  • 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.170
  • Make sure you don't have to be
  • 00:54:21.170 --> 00:54:22.230
  • "the boss" of everything.
  • 00:54:22.230 --> 00:54:24.240
  • And just keep on keeping on.
  • 00:54:24.240 --> 00:54:27.010
  • - Laurie: That's some good
  • 00:54:27.010 --> 00:54:27.290
  • words coming from a good woman.
  • 00:54:27.290 --> 00:54:30.030
  • - Matt: I would have been a lot
  • 00:54:30.030 --> 00:54:31.130
  • more comfortable back in the
  • 00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:32.030
  • back room.
  • 00:54:32.030 --> 00:54:32.230
  • It just felt like that would
  • 00:54:32.230 --> 00:54:34.200
  • have been more comfortable.
  • 00:54:34.200 --> 00:54:35.170
  • - Joyce: I bet you're doing
  • 00:54:35.170 --> 00:54:36.070
  • pretty good or you wouldn't be
  • 00:54:36.070 --> 00:54:37.070
  • where you're at.
  • 00:54:37.070 --> 00:54:38.000
  • - Laurie: If the shoe fits, buy
  • 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:39.110
  • it, baby.
  • 00:54:39.110 --> 00:54:40.010
  • - Matt: Yeah.
  • 00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:40.210
  • - Joyce: I like the buying the
  • 00:54:40.210 --> 00:54:41.240
  • shoes thing.
  • 00:54:41.240 --> 00:54:43.070
  • - Matt: I love it.
  • 00:54:43.070 --> 00:54:44.100
  • We are talking about
  • 00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:45.240
  • "Finishing Well."
  • 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:46.180
  • Joyce Meyer, you're amazing.
  • 00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:48.010
  • Thank you for inviting us into
  • 00:54:48.010 --> 00:54:49.240
  • your part of the world.
  • 00:54:49.240 --> 00:54:50.250
  • - Laurie: You have changed
  • 00:54:50.250 --> 00:54:51.150
  • women's lives and men's lives
  • 00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:52.270
  • around the world.
  • 00:54:52.270 --> 00:54:53.220
  • - Joyce: Thank you.
  • 00:54:53.220 --> 00:54:54.120
  • Pray that I can finish well.
  • 00:54:54.120 --> 00:54:56.050
  • - Matt: You are finishing well.
  • 00:54:56.050 --> 00:54:57.250
  • - Laurie: You are amazing.
  • 00:54:57.250 --> 00:55:00.020
  • - Matt: 800 number's on the
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  • screen.
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  • That is for Joyce's latest book,
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  • "Unshakeable Trust."
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  • - Laurie: They're all good.
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  • - Matt: That book, you will
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  • need at some point in your life
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  • and I encourage you to get it.
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  • And it has really a complete
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  • kind of 180 on something.
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  • Trust is not some obligation we
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  • give or do for God.
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  • It is really absolutely 100% a
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  • privilege for us to have someone
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  • to go to and that is God,
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  • Jesus Christ, in our lives,
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  • to be able to go to.
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  • He is the one we trust.
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  • - Joyce: Well, I just wanna
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  • encourage you if you have
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  • a dream, bring it all the way
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  • through to the finish and
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  • realize there's a lot of dream
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  • thieves out there.
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  • Sometimes you're gonna have to
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  • be lonely if you're gonna finish
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  • well.
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  • Sometimes you're gonna have to
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  • keep going when nobody is for
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  • you, except God.
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  • But I can tell you what.
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  • There is nothing sweeter than
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  • the victory.
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  • Jesus went all the way through
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  • and I encourage you to pray.
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  • Pray that God will not let you
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  • be deceived and let the enemy
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  • derail you.
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  • Be determined to finish what you
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  • start.
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  • Maybe you need to just start
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  • with something small.
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  • But it can be a big victory for
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  • you.
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  • And you know what?
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  • Take it one day at a time.
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  • One day at a time.
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  • God gives grace for one day
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  • at a time.
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  • I believe you're gonna make it.
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  • God bless you.
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  • - Matt: This program
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  • finished well.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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