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Tom Newman with Mat Staver cohost Cristian Ionescu; Rob McCoy; Ken Graves; Sean Feucht; and Che Ahn from Dallas; TX.

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Praise | Pastors Under Fire | September 25, 2020

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  • - TOM NEWMAN: GOOD EVENING.I'M TOM NEWMAN.
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  • ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 13,WE CAME LIVE TO YOU WITH
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  • AN IMPORTANT REPORT OFPASTORS UNDER FIRE ACROSS
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  • THE UNITED STATES.
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  • DUE TO THE OVERWHELMINGFEEDBACK WE RECEIVED ON
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  • THIS SHOW, WE'RE GOING TOUPDATE THAT SHOW AS WELL
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  • AS REPLACE SOMEPORTIONS OF IT.
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  • SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVERECEIVED UPDATES ON
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  • SEVERAL OF THESE STORIESAS WELL AS INFORMATION ON
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  • A NEWER STORY.
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  • JOIN US TONIGHT FORTHESE IMPORTANT UPDATES.
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  • PLEASE STAY TUNED.
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  • ♪♪
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  • - WE ARE ANNOUNCINGADDITIONAL STATEWIDE--
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  • - THE GOVERNOR'SDECISION TO RECLOSE
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  • PLACES OF WORSHIP.
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  • - AS CHURCHES FIGHTFOR THEY ARE FREEDOM TO
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  • WORSHIP AMID ALLTHESE REGULATIONS.
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  • - CAN'T WORSHIP.
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  • WE CAN'T SING.
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  • THERE'S NO POWER GIVEN TOTHE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE
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  • THOSE KINDS OFCALLS AGAINST US.
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  • ♪♪
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  • - I'LL NEVER FORGETWHILE TOURING THE FORMER
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  • SOVIET UNION IN 1988,TRAVELING THROUGH MANY OF
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  • THE IRON CURTAINCOUNTRIES, I WITNESSED A
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  • TREMENDOUS TREMENDOUSPERSECUTION OF
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  • CHRISTIANS AND HOW THECHURCH WAS ALL BUT
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  • FORBIDDEN TO OPERATEUNDER SOVIET RULE.
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  • NOW I'M SEEING IN AMERICAWHAT I EXPERIENCED AS
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  • SOVIET STYLE REGULATIONSUNDER THE PRETENSE OF THE
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  • COVID-19 HEALTH CRISIS.
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  • DON'T BELIEVE ME?
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  • LISTEN TO THIS.
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  • LAST WEEK A PASTOR INSANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA
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  • WAS FINED MORE THAN$100.000 FOR HOLDING
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  • INDOOR CHURCH SERVICES.
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  • IN VENTURA COUNTY,CALIFORNIA, ANOTHER
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  • CHURCH WAS FINED $3.000FOR VIOLATING LOCAL
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  • HEALTH MANDATES BECAUSETHEY HELD A WORSHIP SERVICE.
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  • CHURCH DOORS ARE BEINGFORCED CLOSED BY
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  • GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
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  • PASTORS ARE BEINGTHREATENED WITH
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  • LEGAL ACTION.
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  • CONGREGATIONS WHO MEETIN-PERSONS ARE BEING
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  • FINED AND IN SOMECASES ARRESTED.
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  • THE CHURCH IN AMERICAAPPEARS TO BE
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  • GETTING BULLIED.
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  • AND TONIGHT WE HAVEPASTORS FROM ALL OVER THE
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  • COUNTRY JOINING US WHOHAVE BEEN UNDER FIRE.
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  • AS CHURCHES ACROSSAMERICA FACE SOME OF THE
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  • THEIR GREATEST CHALLENGESIN OUR HISTORY, USING THE
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  • COVID-19 HEALTH CRISISLOCAL GOVERNMENT
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  • OFFICIALS WARN CHURCHESOF LEGAL ACTIONS, FINES,
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  • OR EVEN SHUTDOWN IF THEYDON'T LIMIT ATTENDANCE OR
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  • STOP GATHERINGALTOGETHER.
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  • PASTOR JOHN MC ARTHUR INGRACE COMMUNITY CHURCH
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  • DEFIED A COURT ORDER THATDIRECTED THEM TO
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  • REFRAIN FROM HOLDING INDOORSERVICES AMID COVID-19.
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  • THE PASTOR ARGUED THATFOLLOWING THE COUNTY'S
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  • STRINGENT GUIDELINESWOULD COMPLETELY SHUT THE
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  • CHURCH DOWN.
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  • ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13,THAT'S YESTERDAY, GRACE
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  • COMMUNITY HELD A PACKEDMORNING SERVICE JUST DAYS
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  • AFTER LOS ANGELES COUNTYSUPERIOR COURT JUDGE
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  • GRANTED THE COUNTY'SREQUEST FOR AN INJUNCTION
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  • PROHIBITING THE SUNVALLEY BASED CHURCH FROM
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  • HOLDING INDOOR SERVICESIN VIOLATIONS OF COUNTY
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  • HEALTH ORDERS.
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  • BUT THIS BEGS THEQUESTION, ARE WE HEADED
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  • TO WIDESPREAD PERSECUTIONIN OUR CHURCHES
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  • IN AMERICA?
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  • WHAT LIMITATIONS CAN THEGOVERNMENT IMPOSE UPON
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  • THE CHURCH?
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  • TONIGHT MAT STAVER, THEFOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN OF
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  • LIBERTY COUNSEL JOINS ME.
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  • MATT, LIBERTY COUNSEL HASBEEN A VOICE FOR FREEDOM
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  • AND RELIGIOUSLIBERTY FOR DECADES.
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  • WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHOUR CHURCHES AROUND THE
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  • COUNTRY RIGHT NOW?
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  • - WELL, WHAT'SHAPPENING, TOM,
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  • IS UNBELIEVABLE.
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  • I NEVER THOUGHT WE'D SEEWHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN
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  • THE UNITED STATES.
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  • IN CALIFORNIA JUST ANEXAMPLE TO START OFF
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  • WITH, THAT STATE RIGHTNOW WE FACE THE WORST
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  • RESTRICTIONS IN THEENTIRE COUNTRY.
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  • NO WORSHIP.
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  • ON JULY 6, THE GOVERNORISSUED A NO SINGING AND
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  • CHANTING ORDER.
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  • THEN JULY 13, ANO WORSHIP ORDER.
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  • I'M NOT TALKING ABOUTA CERTAIN NUMBER.
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  • I'M TALKING NO WORSHIP.
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  • NO WORSHIP IN 80% OFCALIFORNIA, 30 PLUS
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  • PERCENT OF THE COUNTIESARE COVERED AND THAT
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  • INCLUDES HOME BIBLESTUDY AND FELLOWSHIP.
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  • IF YOU WORSHIP WITHANYBODY IN YOUR HOME,
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  • HAVE A PRAYER MEETINGWITH ANYBODY IN YOUR
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  • HOME, GO TO SOMEONE'SHOUSE AND PRAY WITH THEM
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  • OR HAVE ANY FELLOWSHIP,PRAYER MEETING, BIBLE
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  • STUDY AND CHURCH, ITIS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE
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  • PUNISHABLE FOR UP TO AYEAR IN PRISON AND
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  • DAILY FINES.
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  • THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENINGIN AMERICA, TOM.
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  • - MAT, IS THIS LEGAL?
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  • - IT'S REALLYNOT LEGAL, NO.
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  • 1947 THE SUPREME COURTISSUED A LANDMARK CASE,
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  • THE EVERSON VERSUS BOARDOF EDUCATION DECISION AND
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  • IN THAT DECISION IT SAIDTHAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT
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  • ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSEWHERE THE GOVERNMENT
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  • CAN'T ESTABLISH ARELIGION MEANS AT LEAST
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  • THIS, THAT NEITHER THESTATE NOR THE FEDERAL
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  • GOVERNMENT MAY PROHIBITANYONE FROM ATTENDING
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  • CHURCH AGAINSTTHEIR WILL.
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  • THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'SHAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA.
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  • BUT CALIFORNIA IS NOTTHE ONLY STATE.
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  • IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVERTHE UNITED STATES FROM
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  • ONE COAST TO THE OTHERCOAST AND YET AT THE SAME
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  • TIME WE SEE CHURCHESBEING RESTRICTED AND
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  • SOME CASES OUTRIGHTBANNED, WE SEE ABORTION
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  • CENTERS, LIQUOR STORES,BIG BOX CENTERS AND
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  • IN EVERY ONE OF THESTATES WHERE THE WORST
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  • RESTRICTIONS ARE WE SEETHE SAME GOVERNORS WITH
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  • THE ONE HAND SUPPRESSINGWORSHIP AND CHURCHES
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  • UPHOLDING AND PROMOTINGTHE RIOTS AND VIOLATORS
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  • OF THE DIFFERENTPEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
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  • IN FACT, THE SAMEGOVERNOR IN CALIFORNIA,
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  • GOVERNOR NEWSOMESAYS NO WORSHIP.
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  • HE SAYS TO THE 100.000 ORPLUS PEOPLE GATHERED IN
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  • LOS ANGELES FORPROTESTING AND RIOTING
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  • GOD BLESS YOU,KEEP DOING IT.
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  • THAT'S A REALDISCRIMINATORY PROBLEM
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  • AND IT'SUNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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  • - MAT, I NEED YOUTO HELP OUR VIEWERS
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  • UNDERSTAND THEIR RIGHTTO WORSHIP UNDER
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  • THE CONSTITUTION.
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  • IS THERE ANYTHING THATTHEY CAN DO LEGALLY TO
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  • IMPEDE THAT RIGHT?
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  • - NO, THEY CAN'T.
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  • THE BEST WAY TO LOOK ATTHIS IS LIKE A JUSTICE
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  • SCALE, A SCALEOF JUSTICE.
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  • ON THE ONE SIDE YOU HAVETHE CONSTITUTION, IN THIS
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  • CASE THE FIRST AMENDMENT,THE FREE EXERCISE
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  • OF RELIGION.
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  • AND THAT THE GOVERNMENTCANNOT ESTABLISH A
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  • RELIGION MEANING ITCAN'T MICRO MANAGE.
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  • IT CAN'T TELL YOU THATYOU CAN'T SING, HOW YOU
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  • HAVE TO WORSHIP, THATYOU CAN'T WORSHIP.
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  • AND THEN ON THE OTHERHAND YOU HAVE THE
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  • INTEREST OF THEGOVERNMENT.
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  • IN THIS CASE IT'S COVID-19BUT ON THAT SCALE OF
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  • JUSTICE YOU NEVER HAVETHE GOVERNMENT INTERESTS
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  • OUTWEIGH THECONSTITUTION.
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  • THERE IS NO PANDEMICPAUSE BUTTON ON
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  • THE CONSTITUTION.
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  • OUR CONSTITUTIONALRIGHTS DON'T JUST SIMPLY
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  • EVAPORATE DURINGA PANDEMIC.
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  • AND BEYOND THECONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS,
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  • THE CHURCH HAS BEENESSENTIAL FOR
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  • 2.000 YEARS.
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  • AND IT'S MORE ESSENTIALNOW THAN EVER.
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  • ALL THE PASTORS THATWE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
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  • WITH TONIGHT AND EVERYONETHAT WE WORK WITH THEY
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  • ALL DID THE SAME THING,THEY BEGAN CLOSING
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  • THE CHURCH.
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  • BUT THEN THEY REALIZEDTHERE WERE SOME REAL
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  • PROBLEMS TAKING PLACEIN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
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  • INCREASED SUICIDE,DEPRESSION, ALCOHOL
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  • CONSUMPTION, DRUG ABUSE,ALL KINDS OF SOCIAL
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  • INDICATORS, DOMESTICVIOLENCE, CHILD ABUSE,
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  • CHILD SEXUALEXPLOITATION, AND THEY
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  • REALIZED THE CHURCHHAS TO BE OPEN.
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  • AND YOU CANNOT JUSTSIMPLY SHUT OFF THE
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  • LIGHTS, CLOSE THE DOORSAND TRANSMIT MUCH OF WHAT
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  • THE CHURCH DOES TOAN ONLINE PODCAST.
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  • CHURCHES ARE ESSENTIAL.
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  • THEY'RE MORE ESSENTIALNOW THAN EVER.
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  • - MAT, WE'RE GOING TOHAVE TO GET RIGHT TO OUR
  • 00:07:34.210 --> 00:07:37.980
  • FIRST GUEST, BUT WHAT ISLIBERTY COUNSEL DOING TO
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  • HELP CHURCHESAND PASTORS?
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  • GIVE ME SOME QUICKEXAMPLES IF YOU WOULD.
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  • I KNOW YOU TOLD MEYOU'RE REPRESENTING OVER
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  • 170 CHURCHES JUST INCALIFORNIA ALONE.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • WE'RE OVER 170 CHURCHESIN CALIFORNIA ALONE WITH
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  • HARVEST ROCK CHURCH ANDIT'S AFFILIATES AND THEN
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  • HARVEST INTERNATIONALMINISTRY WITH 162
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  • CHURCHES THERE.
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  • WE'RE ALSO CONSULTINGWITH OTHER CHURCHES
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  • IN CALIFORNIA,WORKING WITH THEM.
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  • WE'RE LITIGATINGIN ILLINOIS.
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  • WE HAVE A CASE WE'REFILING AT THE US SUPREME
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  • COURT LATER THIS MONTH.
  • 00:08:09.312 --> 00:08:10.713
  • IN FACT, WE HAVE CASES ATFIVE COURTS OF APPEAL.
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  • WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BITABOUT ONE OF THE CASES IN
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  • CALIFORNIA INA FEW MOMENTS.
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  • BUT WE'RE LITIGATING INSIX DIFFERENT STATES.
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  • WE ARE REPRESENTING ABOUTTWO THOUSAND
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  • PASTORS ALL OVER THECOUNTRY IN 44 STATES.
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  • - MAT, IT'S AMAZING.
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  • LISTEN, CAN YOU IMAGINETHIS, ARRIVING AT YOUR
  • 00:08:29.699 --> 00:08:32.535
  • CHURCH ON SUNDAY MORNINGAND THERE'S A BIG YELLOW
  • 00:08:32.635 --> 00:08:35.104
  • POSTER ON THE FRONTENTRANCE SAYING THAT THE
  • 00:08:35.204 --> 00:08:38.240
  • COUNTRY DEMANDS, THECOUNTY DEMANDS THAT YOU
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  • CEASE WORSHIP, THAT YOUSTOP ALL ACTIVITIES AT
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  • YOUR CHURCH AND THAT YOUMUST FULLY COMPLY OR YOU
  • 00:08:44.246 --> 00:08:46.816
  • WILL FACE LEGAL ACTIONBY -WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY
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  • WHAT IS HAPPENING TOCHURCHES AROUND
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  • THE COUNTRY.
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  • ONE CHURCH, GODSPEAKCALVARY CHAPEL IN
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  • THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIAGOT ONE OF THOSE LETTERS
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  • SAYING CHURCHES ARE NONESSENTIAL, AND THEY
  • 00:08:59.462 --> 00:09:03.065
  • SHOULD BE CLOSED.
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  • WELL, THAT DIDN'T SITRIGHT WITH PASTOR ROB
  • 00:09:04.300 --> 00:09:08.170
  • MCCOY OR SHOULD I SAYCITY COUNCILOR ROB MCCOY?
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  • THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • PASTOR ROB WAS FED UPWITH HIS FELLOW CITY
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  • COUNCILORS, SO AFTERRECEIVING THE ORDER TO
  • 00:09:14.944 --> 00:09:18.080
  • STOP HOLDING SERVICES HERESIGNED FROM HIS POST ON
  • 00:09:18.180 --> 00:09:21.217
  • THE THOUSAND OAKS CITYCOUNCIL SAYING HE PLANNED
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  • TO DISOBEY ORDERSTHAT DEEMED CHURCHES
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  • NON-ESSENTIAL.
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  • AND TONIGHT HE JOINS MELIVE WITH MAT STAVER WHO
  • 00:09:29.191 --> 00:09:32.495
  • IS ALSO ONE OF HISLEGAL CONSULTANTS.
  • 00:09:32.595 --> 00:09:34.697
  • ROB, GLAD YOU'REWITH US TONIGHT.
  • 00:09:34.797 --> 00:09:37.099
  • - THANKS, TOM.
  • 00:09:37.199 --> 00:09:39.135
  • IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
  • 00:09:39.235 --> 00:09:40.936
  • - SO WHAT DID YOU THINKWHEN YOU GOT A CEASE AND
  • 00:09:41.037 --> 00:09:43.706
  • DESIST LETTERFROM THE COUNTY?
  • 00:09:43.806 --> 00:09:46.742
  • - WE WEREPREPARED FOR THAT.
  • 00:09:46.842 --> 00:09:49.645
  • WE HAD HOSTED COMMUNIONSERVICE ON APRIL 4 WHEN
  • 00:09:49.745 --> 00:09:52.848
  • THE GOVERNOR DECLAREDTHAT THE CHURCH WAS
  • 00:09:52.948 --> 00:09:55.518
  • NON- ESSENTIAL.
  • 00:09:55.618 --> 00:09:56.786
  • HE ALLOWED CANNABISDISTRIBUTORS TO BE
  • 00:09:56.886 --> 00:09:58.654
  • ESSENTIAL, LIQUORSTORES TO BE ESSENTIAL.
  • 00:09:58.754 --> 00:10:00.389
  • BUT EVEN IF WE FOLLOWEDTHE CDC STANDARDS AND
  • 00:10:00.489 --> 00:10:02.491
  • TOOK A SANCTUARY THATHELD 400 AND DID
  • 00:10:02.591 --> 00:10:05.061
  • COMMUNION FOR TEN PEOPLECOMPLETELY FOLLOWING CDC
  • 00:10:05.161 --> 00:10:07.663
  • STANDARDS, THE GOVERNORSTILL DECLEARED US
  • 00:10:07.763 --> 00:10:10.199
  • TO BE NON ESSENTIALTHOUGH WE WERE EXERCISING
  • 00:10:10.299 --> 00:10:12.968
  • A SACRAMENT DURING OURHOLY WEEK, AND WHEN I
  • 00:10:13.069 --> 00:10:16.572
  • MOVED FORWARD TO DO THAT,I KNEW THE COUNCIL WOULD
  • 00:10:16.672 --> 00:10:19.675
  • HAVE TO CENSURE ME, SO IRESIGNED THAT SATURDAY
  • 00:10:19.775 --> 00:10:23.446
  • NIGHT FROM THE COUNCILKNOWING THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:10:23.546 --> 00:10:25.715
  • WAS NOT GOING TO RELENT.
  • 00:10:25.815 --> 00:10:27.216
  • AND MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD BE LEFT
  • 00:10:27.316 --> 00:10:29.819
  • HAVING TO CENSURE ME ANDSTILL HAVING TO
  • 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.288
  • CENSURE ME.
  • 00:10:32.388 --> 00:10:33.389
  • AND THEN MAY 31, AFTERTHE GOVERNOR HAD EMBRACED
  • 00:10:33.489 --> 00:10:37.293
  • THE BLACK LIVES MATTERPROTESTS, WE REALIZED THIS
  • 00:10:37.393 --> 00:10:39.929
  • WASN'T ABOUT COVID-19.
  • 00:10:40.029 --> 00:10:42.631
  • WE HAD ALREADYDONE ALL THE DATA.
  • 00:10:42.732 --> 00:10:44.333
  • WE SAW THEEMPIRICAL DATA.
  • 00:10:44.433 --> 00:10:46.502
  • OUR DEATH RATE IN THECOUNTY IS ONE HUNDREDTH
  • 00:10:46.602 --> 00:10:48.804
  • OF 1 PERCENT.
  • 00:10:48.904 --> 00:10:50.606
  • AND SINCE MAY 231 WE'VEBEEN WIDE OPEN, NO MASKS
  • 00:10:50.706 --> 00:10:52.708
  • NO SOCIAL DISTANCES,AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE
  • 00:10:52.808 --> 00:10:55.811
  • CASE OF COVID-19 IN THEENTIRETY OF OUR CHURCH,
  • 00:10:55.911 --> 00:10:58.380
  • BUT THEY STILL SLAPPEDUS WITH AN EMERGENCY
  • 00:10:58.481 --> 00:11:01.083
  • RESTRAINING ORDER SAYINGON A SCALE OF ONE TO TEN
  • 00:11:01.183 --> 00:11:03.319
  • WE WERE A TEN AS FAR ASDAWHICH - WOW. ND ME. Y
  • 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:10.559
  • ROB, YOU WERE ALSO AFORMER MAYOR THERE.
  • 00:11:10.659 --> 00:11:13.028
  • LET US KNOW WHAT HASHAPPENED SINCE THAT TIME?
  • 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:16.899
  • - WELL, I WAS MAYORIN 2019, AND AS MANY
  • 00:11:16.999 --> 00:11:21.604
  • VIEWERS KNOW IN 2018 WEHAD A TRAGIC SHOOTING IN
  • 00:11:21.704 --> 00:11:25.641
  • OUR COMMUNITY WHERE 12 OFOUR YOUNG PEOPLE
  • 00:11:25.741 --> 00:11:27.209
  • WERE KILLED.
  • 00:11:27.309 --> 00:11:28.477
  • TWO OF THEM WEREFROM MY CONGREGATION.
  • 00:11:28.577 --> 00:11:30.179
  • WE LOST OFFICER HELIS WHOBRAVELY WENT INTO THE
  • 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.682
  • BORDERLINE ANDSTOPPED THE SHOOTER.
  • 00:11:33.783 --> 00:11:36.986
  • ALTHOUGH THE SHOOTERCOMMITTED SUICIDE.
  • 00:11:37.086 --> 00:11:38.621
  • HE FOR ALL INTENTS ANDPURPOSE HELPED STOP THAT.
  • 00:11:38.721 --> 00:11:41.690
  • AND WE DEDICATED THEFREEWAY TO OFFICER HELIS.
  • 00:11:41.791 --> 00:11:45.294
  • AS MAYOR I DEDICATED THEPARK TO THE VICTIMS.
  • 00:11:45.394 --> 00:11:47.763
  • I LOVE MY CITY.
  • 00:11:47.863 --> 00:11:49.598
  • I LOVE MY COUNTY.
  • 00:11:49.698 --> 00:11:50.699
  • I DON'T WANT TO BRING ANYHARM, AND AT FIRST WE ALL
  • 00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:54.670
  • REALIZED THAT WE DON'TKNOW THE SEVERITY OF THE
  • 00:11:54.770 --> 00:11:57.139
  • VIRUS, BUT AS TIMEWENT ON AND WE HAD THE
  • 00:11:57.239 --> 00:11:58.974
  • EMPIRICAL DATA WEREALIZED IT AFFECTS A
  • 00:11:59.074 --> 00:12:01.877
  • CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:12:01.977 --> 00:12:03.746
  • WE BROADCAST IN THEPARKING LOT FOR 65
  • 00:12:03.846 --> 00:12:05.247
  • AND OLDER.
  • 00:12:05.347 --> 00:12:06.415
  • BUT EVERYONEELSE COME IN.
  • 00:12:06.515 --> 00:12:08.317
  • IT'S TIME TO WORSHIP.
  • 00:12:08.417 --> 00:12:09.685
  • AND THAT'S -WHEN CHURCHESCLOSE THERE'S A FIVE
  • 00:12:09.785 --> 00:12:13.622
  • TIMES GREATERRATE OF SUICIDE.
  • 00:12:13.722 --> 00:12:15.958
  • AND WE'VE HAD ALCOHOL INCREASE,DRUG INCREASE.
  • 00:12:16.058 --> 00:12:20.162
  • IT'S JUST BEEN AWFUL.
  • 00:12:20.262 --> 00:12:22.097
  • THEY HAVE RELEASEDCONVICTS INTO
  • 00:12:22.198 --> 00:12:24.166
  • OUR STREETS.
  • 00:12:24.266 --> 00:12:25.034
  • SHUDDERED OUR SCHOOLS.
  • 00:12:25.134 --> 00:12:26.135
  • 65 % OF OUR RESTAURANTSWILL NEVER REOPEN AS
  • 00:12:26.235 --> 00:12:29.705
  • THESE MEMBERS OF OURCOMMUNITY HAVE LOST THEIR
  • 00:12:29.805 --> 00:12:31.674
  • LIFE SAVINGS OVER A VIRUSTHAT WE NOW KNOW IS NOT
  • 00:12:31.774 --> 00:12:36.212
  • WHAT THEY SAID IT WASSUPPOSED TO BE, AND
  • 00:12:36.312 --> 00:12:38.447
  • IT'S TRAGIC.
  • 00:12:38.547 --> 00:12:39.381
  • WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
  • 00:12:39.481 --> 00:12:40.382
  • THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOINGWHAT WE'RE DOING.
  • 00:12:40.482 --> 00:12:42.051
  • - PASTOR, IT'S JUST GOTTO BE DEVASTATING TO YOU
  • 00:12:42.151 --> 00:12:46.422
  • TO WATCH THESE THINGSHAPPEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY,
  • 00:12:46.522 --> 00:12:48.224
  • AND THEN TO THINK THATFINES ARE BEING IMPOSED
  • 00:12:48.324 --> 00:12:51.327
  • ON YOU EVEN TO TRYTO HELP OUT IN
  • 00:12:51.427 --> 00:12:53.729
  • THESE SITUATIONS.
  • 00:12:53.829 --> 00:12:54.964
  • NOW, WHILE THERE MAYBE TRUE PUBLIC HEALTH
  • 00:12:55.064 --> 00:12:58.200
  • ISSUES, WHAT SHOULD THECHURCH'S RESPONSE BE?
  • 00:12:58.300 --> 00:13:01.203
  • AND I'M NOT JUSTSPEAKING FOR YOU.
  • 00:13:01.303 --> 00:13:02.838
  • YOU YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLEOF A BATTLE IN PROBABLY
  • 00:13:02.938 --> 00:13:05.107
  • ONE OF THE MOSTEMBATTLED STATES.
  • 00:13:05.207 --> 00:13:06.976
  • BUT SPEAKING TO PASTORSEVERYWHERE, WHAT SHOULD
  • 00:13:07.076 --> 00:13:10.212
  • CHURCHES RESPONSEBE RIGHT NOW?
  • 00:13:10.312 --> 00:13:12.882
  • - WELL, PEOPLENEED FELLOWSHIP.
  • 00:13:12.982 --> 00:13:16.518
  • WATCHING CHURCH ON THEINTERNET IS LIKE WATCHING
  • 00:13:16.619 --> 00:13:18.754
  • A FIREPLACE.
  • 00:13:18.854 --> 00:13:20.022
  • YOU CAN HEAR IT AND YOUCAN SEE IT, BUT YOU CAN'T
  • 00:13:20.122 --> 00:13:21.490
  • FEEL IT.
  • 00:13:21.590 --> 00:13:22.491
  • AND THE LORD HASCOMMANDED US NOT TO
  • 00:13:22.591 --> 00:13:24.593
  • FORSAKE FELLOWSHIPPINGWITH THE SAINTS.
  • 00:13:24.693 --> 00:13:26.595
  • AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THEPUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, WE
  • 00:13:26.695 --> 00:13:29.398
  • NEED TO BE WISE.
  • 00:13:29.498 --> 00:13:31.367
  • WE NEED TO LOOK AT ITCLEARLY FOR WHAT IT IS.
  • 00:13:31.467 --> 00:13:33.335
  • WHEN I WAS BEFORE THEJUDGE AND I SWORE TO TELL
  • 00:13:33.435 --> 00:13:36.171
  • THE TRUTH, THE WHOLETRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT
  • 00:13:36.272 --> 00:13:38.140
  • THE TRUTH, OUR PUBLICREQUEST FOR RECORDS WE
  • 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.776
  • STARTED TO REALIZE THATTHE TRAGICALLY OVER 100
  • 00:13:40.876 --> 00:13:44.680
  • DEATHS IN OUR COUNTY THATWERE ATTRIBUTED TO COVID
  • 00:13:44.780 --> 00:13:46.949
  • 19 WITH WE LOOKED AT THEDATA ONLY 2 OF THE LITTLE
  • 00:13:47.049 --> 00:13:49.518
  • OVER 100 DEATHS WEREFROM COVID-19.
  • 00:13:49.618 --> 00:13:53.622
  • THE REST WERE WITH.
  • 00:13:53.722 --> 00:13:54.757
  • WE HAD AN OVERDOSEPERSON DIE AND THEY DIED
  • 00:13:54.857 --> 00:13:58.127
  • POSITIVE WITH COVID-19.
  • 00:13:58.227 --> 00:13:59.528
  • THAT WAS COUNTED ASA COVID-19 DEATH.
  • 00:13:59.628 --> 00:14:00.829
  • THEY'VE USED THIS DATA TOPARALYZE OUR PEOPLE, RUIN
  • 00:14:00.930 --> 00:14:04.833
  • THEIR LIFE SAVINGS.
  • 00:14:04.934 --> 00:14:06.168
  • AND I WOULD JUST SAY TOMY FELLOW PASTORS YOU'RE
  • 00:14:06.268 --> 00:14:08.704
  • PEACE MAKERS.
  • 00:14:08.804 --> 00:14:09.638
  • YOU DON'T LIKECONFLICT, I GET THAT.
  • 00:14:09.738 --> 00:14:11.040
  • BUT THE CITIZENS OF YOURCOMMUNITY NEED YOU TO
  • 00:14:11.140 --> 00:14:13.275
  • PUSH BACK BECAUSE LIBERTYIS NOT MAN'S IDEA.
  • 00:14:13.375 --> 00:14:16.045
  • IT'S GOD'S IDEA.
  • 00:14:16.145 --> 00:14:17.546
  • WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THELORD IS THERE'S LIBERTY
  • 00:14:17.646 --> 00:14:19.415
  • AND OUR CHURCH HAS GONEFROM 400 TO OVER 2500 IN
  • 00:14:19.515 --> 00:14:22.885
  • A MONTH.
  • 00:14:22.985 --> 00:14:24.453
  • AND THE PEOPLE DARKENINGTHE DOORS OF OUR CHURCH
  • 00:14:24.553 --> 00:14:27.256
  • IS NOT TYPICALCHURCH GOERS.
  • 00:14:27.356 --> 00:14:28.557
  • THEY'RE SKATERS ANDSURFERS WHO HAVE LOST
  • 00:14:28.657 --> 00:14:30.893
  • THEIR BEACHES AND THEIRSKATE PARKS HAVE BEEN
  • 00:14:30.993 --> 00:14:33.128
  • FILLED WITH SAND ANDTHEIR STREAMS OF LIBERTY
  • 00:14:33.228 --> 00:14:35.030
  • HAVE DRIED UP, SO THEY'VEGONE UP STREAM AND
  • 00:14:35.130 --> 00:14:36.832
  • THEY'VE COME TO THESOURCE, JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:14:36.932 --> 00:14:41.070
  • - PASTOR ROB,THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:14:41.170 --> 00:14:42.838
  • I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THETBN AUDIENCE TO PRAY FOR
  • 00:14:42.938 --> 00:14:46.175
  • PASTOR ROB AND THEWORK THAT'S GOING ON THERE.
  • 00:14:46.275 --> 00:14:49.211
  • WE'VE GOT TO JOINTOGETHER IN THIS TIME AND
  • 00:14:49.311 --> 00:14:51.981
  • REALLY STAY FOCUSED BUTLET THE CHURCH BE
  • 00:14:52.081 --> 00:14:54.149
  • THE CHURCH.
  • 00:14:54.249 --> 00:14:55.617
  • NOW, BEGINNING IN MARCHOF THIS YEAR HARVEST ROCK
  • 00:14:55.718 --> 00:14:58.854
  • CHURCH LED BY PASTORCHE' AHN STRICTLY ADHERED TO THE
  • 00:14:58.954 --> 00:15:01.857
  • CALIFORNIA STATEGUIDELINES FOR COVID-19,
  • 00:15:01.957 --> 00:15:05.127
  • FIRST CLOSING THEIR DOORSFOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND
  • 00:15:05.227 --> 00:15:07.596
  • LATER UTILIZED SAFETYPROTOCOLS DURING
  • 00:15:07.696 --> 00:15:10.566
  • IN-PERSON SERVICES.
  • 00:15:10.666 --> 00:15:12.901
  • BUT NOW AFTER THE STATEOF CALIFORNIA HAS BANNED
  • 00:15:13.002 --> 00:15:16.472
  • IN-PERSON WORSHIP AND ISTHE CHURCH IS NOT ALLOWED
  • 00:15:16.572 --> 00:15:19.441
  • TO GATHER, THE CHURCH HASINITIATED A FEDERAL CIVIL
  • 00:15:19.541 --> 00:15:23.278
  • COMPLAINT AGAINST THELATEST RESTRICTIONS.
  • 00:15:23.379 --> 00:15:26.015
  • AND WHAT THEY SAY HAVEBEEN SPECIFICALLY AIMED
  • 00:15:26.115 --> 00:15:29.118
  • AT CRIMINALIZINGIN-PERSON WORSHIP BOTH IN
  • 00:15:29.218 --> 00:15:32.588
  • AND OUTSIDE A PRIVATECITIZEN'S HOMES.
  • 00:15:32.688 --> 00:15:35.858
  • EARLIER TODAY I HAD ACHANCE TO SPEAK WITH
  • 00:15:35.958 --> 00:15:38.827
  • PASTOR CHE'.
  • 00:15:38.927 --> 00:15:40.162
  • HERE IT IS.
  • 00:15:40.262 --> 00:15:42.464
  • PASTOR CHE', THANK YOUSO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
  • 00:15:42.564 --> 00:15:45.334
  • TELL ME, WHY DID YOUDECIDE TO OPEN
  • 00:15:45.434 --> 00:15:48.604
  • IN-PERSON WORSHIP?
  • 00:15:48.704 --> 00:15:49.972
  • - WELL, FIRST OF ALLI REALLY FEEL THAT THE
  • 00:15:50.072 --> 00:15:52.975
  • BIBLE SAYS THAT WE NEEDTO NOT FORSAKE THE
  • 00:15:53.075 --> 00:15:55.310
  • GATHERING OF THE SAINTSIN HEBREWS CHAPTER 10
  • 00:15:55.411 --> 00:15:57.846
  • VERSE 25, BUT I REALLYFELT THE LORD SPOKE TO ME
  • 00:15:57.946 --> 00:16:00.716
  • IN MARCH THAT WENEED TO GATHER.
  • 00:16:00.816 --> 00:16:03.018
  • FOR US, HOSTING THE HOLYSPIRIT IN OUR CITY IS A
  • 00:16:03.118 --> 00:16:06.121
  • MAJOR VALUE.
  • 00:16:06.221 --> 00:16:07.823
  • IN 1995, WE WENT THREEYEARS NIGHTLY MEETINGS,
  • 00:16:07.923 --> 00:16:13.028
  • FIVE NIGHTS A WEEK FORTHREE YEARS, WELCOMING
  • 00:16:13.128 --> 00:16:15.030
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:16:15.130 --> 00:16:16.331
  • AND WE SAW DRAMATICCHANGE IN OUR CITY.
  • 00:16:16.432 --> 00:16:19.168
  • WE SAW THE CRIME RATEDROP DRAMATICALLY.
  • 00:16:19.268 --> 00:16:21.437
  • WE SAW EVEN A MAJOR CULTCOME TO KNOW JESUS CHRIST
  • 00:16:21.537 --> 00:16:25.507
  • AND IT'S NOT A MAJORAS FAR AS LARGE BUT
  • 00:16:25.607 --> 00:16:28.777
  • SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THEIRHEADQUARTERS WAS RIGHT
  • 00:16:28.877 --> 00:16:31.346
  • HERE IN PASADENA.
  • 00:16:31.447 --> 00:16:33.916
  • WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD.
  • 00:16:34.016 --> 00:16:35.517
  • AND IN FACT WE'RE NOWIN THEIR BUILDING.
  • 00:16:35.617 --> 00:16:37.853
  • WE BOUGHT THEIRBUILDING IN 2004.
  • 00:16:37.953 --> 00:16:41.356
  • - WHAT AN AMAZINGTRANSFORMATION.
  • 00:16:41.457 --> 00:16:43.892
  • WELL, WHAT DO YOU SAY TOTHOSE WHO DO NOT CONSIDER
  • 00:16:43.992 --> 00:16:47.629
  • THE CHURCH RIGHTNOW TO BE ESSENTIAL?
  • 00:16:47.729 --> 00:16:51.800
  • - WELL, HISTORICALLYWE'VE BEEN ESSENTIAL FOR
  • 00:16:51.900 --> 00:16:54.303
  • THE PAST TWOTHOUSAND YEARS.
  • 00:16:54.403 --> 00:16:56.405
  • WHERE WOULD NATIONS BEWITHOUT THE CHURCH?
  • 00:16:56.505 --> 00:16:59.541
  • WITHOUT GOD'S WORD ANDOF COURSE THE GOSPEL OF
  • 00:16:59.641 --> 00:17:01.743
  • JESUS CHRIST?
  • 00:17:01.844 --> 00:17:03.479
  • THINK ABOUT THIS NATION.
  • 00:17:03.579 --> 00:17:05.247
  • THE FOUNDING FATHERSFOUNDED THIS NATION ON
  • 00:17:05.347 --> 00:17:07.249
  • JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUESAND OF COURSE 26 WITHOUT
  • 00:17:07.349 --> 00:17:12.221
  • OF 59 SIGNERS WEREPASTORS AND I WANT TO
  • 00:17:12.321 --> 00:17:15.057
  • JUST SAY THAT CHURCHESALWAYS BEEN ESSENTIAL.
  • 00:17:15.157 --> 00:17:18.093
  • - I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
  • 00:17:18.193 --> 00:17:20.329
  • NOW, YOUR CHURCH HAS LIFEGROUPS, BUT IN CALIFORNIA
  • 00:17:20.429 --> 00:17:24.099
  • EVEN HOME BIBLE STUDIESHAVE BEEN BANNED.
  • 00:17:24.199 --> 00:17:27.236
  • THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:17:27.336 --> 00:17:29.271
  • - WELL, YOU KNOW, THESMALL GROUPS ARE SO
  • 00:17:29.371 --> 00:17:31.273
  • IMPORTANT, BUT EVENGOVERNOR NEWSOME'S
  • 00:17:31.373 --> 00:17:34.476
  • LOCKDOWN ALSO MANDATESTHAT BIBLE STUDIES CANNOT
  • 00:17:34.576 --> 00:17:38.413
  • MEET, HOME FELLOWSHIPS,HOME BIBLE STUDIES, YOU
  • 00:17:38.514 --> 00:17:41.750
  • CAN'T HAVE THAT.
  • 00:17:41.850 --> 00:17:43.085
  • IF YOU HAVE ONE PERSONTHAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR
  • 00:17:43.185 --> 00:17:44.586
  • FAMILY, IT IS ILLEGAL.
  • 00:17:44.686 --> 00:17:46.955
  • AND I FEEL THAT THIS ISA TOTAL VIOLATION OF OUR
  • 00:17:47.055 --> 00:17:50.392
  • FIRST AMENDMENT TO GATHERFOR WORSHIP AND TO GATHER
  • 00:17:50.492 --> 00:17:53.495
  • AND ASSEMBLE ACCORDINGTO THE FIRST
  • 00:17:53.595 --> 00:17:58.667
  • AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
  • 00:17:58.767 --> 00:18:00.536
  • - AND WHAT RESISTANCEHAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM
  • 00:18:00.636 --> 00:18:02.171
  • THE STATE OR LOCALOFFICIALS
  • 00:18:02.271 --> 00:18:03.438
  • SINCE REOPENING?
  • 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:04.640
  • - WELL, WE RECEIVED ALETTER FROM THE CITY
  • 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.776
  • PROSECUTOR SEVERAL WEEKSAGO SAYING THAT IF WE
  • 00:18:07.876 --> 00:18:10.612
  • CONTINUE TO MEET, THATI WILL BE ARRESTED.
  • 00:18:10.712 --> 00:18:12.948
  • BUT IT'S NOT JUSTME BEING ARRESTED.
  • 00:18:13.048 --> 00:18:14.816
  • THEY SAID THEY'D FINEEVERY PERSON ATTENDING UP
  • 00:18:14.917 --> 00:18:17.819
  • TO $1.000 AND ALSOTHEY'D HAVE THE RIGHT TO
  • 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.923
  • ARREST THE MINISTERSAND THE ATTENDERS
  • 00:18:21.023 --> 00:18:25.160
  • WHICH IS SO ABSOLUTELYOUTRAGEOUS BECAUSE WE'RE
  • 00:18:25.260 --> 00:18:28.263
  • LETTING OUT PRISONERS INCALIFORNIA BECAUSE OF
  • 00:18:28.363 --> 00:18:31.099
  • COVID-19, AND THEY WANTTO ARREST LAW-ABIDING
  • 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.236
  • CITIZENS WHO JUST WANT TOWORSHIP AND PASTORS WHO
  • 00:18:34.336 --> 00:18:37.406
  • ARE LEADING THEIR FLOCK.
  • 00:18:37.506 --> 00:18:39.408
  • SO IT'S REALLY AN ISAIAH5:20 MOMENT WHERE THE
  • 00:18:39.508 --> 00:18:42.945
  • BIBLE SAYS WOE TOTHOSE WHO CALL
  • 00:18:43.045 --> 00:18:44.546
  • EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL.
  • 00:18:44.646 --> 00:18:47.115
  • - UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:18:47.216 --> 00:18:49.618
  • AS AN IMMIGRANT, DID YOUEVER THINK YOU WOULD FACE
  • 00:18:49.718 --> 00:18:53.055
  • CRIMINAL THREATS FORWORSHIPPING IN THIS COUNTRY?
  • 00:18:53.155 --> 00:18:58.293
  • - YOU KNOW, I HAVETRAVELED TO ALMOST A
  • 00:18:58.393 --> 00:19:00.796
  • HUNDRED NATIONSAROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:00.896 --> 00:19:02.698
  • OUR MINISTRY IS IN SEVENNATIONS, SO THIS IS NOT A
  • 00:19:02.798 --> 00:19:05.667
  • HYPERBOLE, AND EVERY TIMEI COME BACK TO AMERICA,
  • 00:19:05.767 --> 00:19:10.105
  • WITH ALL THE FLAWS,THIS IS STILL THE BEST
  • 00:19:10.205 --> 00:19:12.975
  • COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:13.075 --> 00:19:15.043
  • IN EUROPE, IN NORWAYONE OF OUR PASTORS GOT
  • 00:19:15.143 --> 00:19:17.813
  • ARRESTED BY SAYINGTHAT HE BELIEVES THAT
  • 00:19:17.913 --> 00:19:20.148
  • HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SINBASED ON THE BIBLE, AND
  • 00:19:20.249 --> 00:19:23.552
  • YET THEY CALL THAT A HATECRIME, AND SO NOW
  • 00:19:23.652 --> 00:19:27.489
  • I'M STARTING TO SEETHINGS HAPPEN HERE.
  • 00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:29.358
  • I WOULD NEVER THOUGHT BUTWITH THIS LOCK DOWN, WITH
  • 00:19:29.458 --> 00:19:32.294
  • THIS OVER REACH AND WITHSOCIALISM AND MARXISM
  • 00:19:32.394 --> 00:19:36.164
  • BEING MANIFESTED THROUGHANTIFA, BLACK LIVES
  • 00:19:36.265 --> 00:19:39.134
  • MATTER ORGANIZATION,I'M STARTING TO SEE
  • 00:19:39.234 --> 00:19:41.970
  • OH, MY GOODNESS, UNLESSWE SEE REVIVAL AND
  • 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:44.806
  • TRANSFORMATION OF OURNATION, WE'RE GONNA GO
  • 00:19:44.906 --> 00:19:46.708
  • THE WAY OF EUROPE, ANDOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
  • 00:19:46.808 --> 00:19:49.044
  • WILL BE TAKENAWAY FROM US.
  • 00:19:49.144 --> 00:19:51.079
  • - THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:19:51.179 --> 00:19:53.048
  • SO WHY IS IT IMPORTANTFOR PEOPLE TO WORSHIP
  • 00:19:53.148 --> 00:19:56.451
  • TOGETHER AND FOR THECHURCH TO STAY OPEN?
  • 00:19:56.551 --> 00:19:59.855
  • - THERE'S SOMETHINGABOUT CORPORATE WORSHIP
  • 00:19:59.955 --> 00:20:01.690
  • THAT THERE'S SYNERGY.
  • 00:20:01.790 --> 00:20:04.459
  • IN DEUTERONOMY, THE BIBLESAYS ONE WILL PUT A
  • 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.695
  • THOUSAND TO FLIGHT,TWO 10.000.
  • 00:20:06.795 --> 00:20:09.464
  • THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUTGATHERING TOGETHER.
  • 00:20:09.564 --> 00:20:11.667
  • WE SEE IN 1 CORINTHIANSCHAPTER 11 PAUL KEEPS ON
  • 00:20:11.767 --> 00:20:14.436
  • SAYING WHEN YOU MEET, WHENYOU MEET, WHEN YOU MEET.
  • 00:20:14.536 --> 00:20:17.706
  • AND OF COURSE IN ACTSCHAPTER 2, THEY MET DAILY
  • 00:20:17.806 --> 00:20:20.509
  • FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, BUTALSO IN THE TEMPLE COURTS
  • 00:20:20.609 --> 00:20:23.912
  • BECAUSE THE CHURCH WAS SOLARGE AND MASSIVE, THAT'S
  • 00:20:24.012 --> 00:20:25.947
  • THE ONLY PLACE WHERETHEY COULD MEET.
  • 00:20:26.048 --> 00:20:28.116
  • AND I BELIEVE THAT GODWANTS US TO DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:20:28.216 --> 00:20:30.519
  • HIS BODY HERE ON EARTH.
  • 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.255
  • NOW WE CAN DO ITINDIVIDUALLY, OF COURSE,
  • 00:20:33.355 --> 00:20:34.923
  • BUT HE SAYS I WANT ATLEAST TWO OR THREE TO
  • 00:20:35.023 --> 00:20:38.126
  • GATHER IN MY NAME, FOR THEREI WILL BE IN YOUR MIDST.
  • 00:20:38.226 --> 00:20:40.929
  • SO THAT'S THE SMALLESTNUCLEUS, I BELIEVE, AND
  • 00:20:41.029 --> 00:20:45.167
  • THAT'S WHERE HOMEFELLOWSHIP COMES IN.
  • 00:20:45.267 --> 00:20:47.369
  • BUT THERE'S SOMETHINGABOUT THE EKKLESIA, THE
  • 00:20:47.469 --> 00:20:49.838
  • CALLED OUT ONES, THECHURCH GREEK WORD IS
  • 00:20:49.938 --> 00:20:52.407
  • EKKLESIA, AND IT REALLYMEANS CALLED OUT
  • 00:20:52.507 --> 00:20:54.743
  • ASSEMBLY, SO IF WE'RE NOTGATHERING AND ASSEMBLING
  • 00:20:54.843 --> 00:20:57.846
  • TOGETHER, WE'RE NOTFUNCTIONING AS A CHURCH.
  • 00:20:57.946 --> 00:21:00.382
  • - WOW. GOOD POINT.
  • 00:21:00.482 --> 00:21:02.718
  • IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'DLIKE TO ADD PASTOR IN
  • 00:21:02.818 --> 00:21:04.619
  • THESE LAST FEW MOMENTS?
  • 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:06.254
  • - NO, JUST IF I COULD JUSTSAY PLEASE PRAY FOR US.
  • 00:21:06.355 --> 00:21:09.091
  • - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:21:09.191 --> 00:21:10.225
  • - AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,PRAY FOR THIS UPCOMING
  • 00:21:10.325 --> 00:21:12.828
  • ELECTION, PROBABLYTHE MOST IMPORTANT
  • 00:21:12.928 --> 00:21:15.197
  • CONSEQUENTIAL ELECTION EVER.
  • 00:21:15.297 --> 00:21:17.432
  • IN MY 47 YEARS OF WALKINGWITH THE LORD, I'VE NEVER
  • 00:21:17.532 --> 00:21:21.002
  • SEEN OUR NATIONSO DIVIDED.
  • 00:21:21.103 --> 00:21:23.405
  • WE NEED REVIVAL, WE NEEDTRANSFORMATION, AND I
  • 00:21:23.505 --> 00:21:26.575
  • WANT TO ENCOURAGEEVERYONE TO VOTE BIBLICALLY.
  • 00:21:26.675 --> 00:21:29.177
  • VOTE FOR LIFE.
  • 00:21:29.277 --> 00:21:30.779
  • I BELIEVE WE'RE SO CLOSETO OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE.
  • 00:21:30.879 --> 00:21:34.850
  • SIXTY MILLION BABIES HAVEBEEN ABORTED SINCE 1973,
  • 00:21:34.950 --> 00:21:38.653
  • AND WE CAN LIFT THE CURSEOFF OUR LAND BECAUSE
  • 00:21:38.754 --> 00:21:41.590
  • THERE'S A DOCTRINE OFSHEDDING OF INNOCENT
  • 00:21:41.690 --> 00:21:43.558
  • BLOOD, AND GENESIS NINESAYS IF YOU SHED INNOCENT
  • 00:21:43.658 --> 00:21:47.429
  • BLOOD, A MAN'S BLOODWILL BE SHED, SO IT'S A
  • 00:21:47.529 --> 00:21:50.565
  • VICIOUS CYCLE OF A CURSETHROUGH SHEDDING OF
  • 00:21:50.665 --> 00:21:54.569
  • INNOCENT BLOOD, AND WENEED TO REPENT AND STOP
  • 00:21:54.669 --> 00:21:56.438
  • THAT WITH THISUPCOMING ELECTION.
  • 00:21:56.538 --> 00:21:59.674
  • - THANK YOU PASTOR CHE.
  • 00:21:59.775 --> 00:22:01.009
  • YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT ANDPRAYERS. THANK YOU.
  • 00:22:01.109 --> 00:22:03.245
  • - THANK YOU TOM.
  • 00:22:03.345 --> 00:22:04.413
  • IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ON YOURSHOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:22:04.513 --> 00:22:07.516
  • - MATT, I KNOW YOUREPRESENT PASTOR CHE.
  • 00:22:07.616 --> 00:22:12.287
  • AS WE SIT HERE LIVE ONMONDAY NIGHT, SEPTEMBER
  • 00:22:12.387 --> 00:22:15.524
  • 14TH, WHAT OTHERINFORMATION CAN YOU SHARE
  • 00:22:15.624 --> 00:22:18.627
  • REGARDING HIS CASE ANDHOW IT MAY AFFECT OTHER
  • 00:22:18.727 --> 00:22:21.396
  • CHURCHES ACROSSTHE COUNTRY?
  • 00:22:21.496 --> 00:22:25.100
  • - WELL TOM, LAST FRIDAYWE FILED AN EMERGENCY
  • 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.502
  • REQUEST AT THE FEDERALCOURT OF APPEALS, THE 9TH
  • 00:22:27.602 --> 00:22:29.371
  • CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.
  • 00:22:29.471 --> 00:22:30.605
  • WITHIN 45 MINUTES, THEYORDERED GOVERNOR NEWSOM
  • 00:22:30.705 --> 00:22:33.008
  • TO RESPOND BY 5:00 P.M.
  • 00:22:33.108 --> 00:22:35.043
  • PACIFIC TIME TOMORROW,AND THEN WE REPLIED
  • 00:22:35.143 --> 00:22:38.613
  • BY 5:00 P.M. PACIFICTIME ON WEDNESDAY.
  • 00:22:38.713 --> 00:22:40.882
  • WE MAY WELL HAVE A RULINGAS WE HAVE REQUESTED
  • 00:22:40.982 --> 00:22:43.318
  • BEFORE THIS COMING SUNDAYSERVICE THAT COULD AFFECT
  • 00:22:43.418 --> 00:22:46.188
  • ALL THE CHURCHESIN CALIFORNIA.
  • 00:22:46.288 --> 00:22:48.256
  • IT'S REALLY IMPORTANTTHAT WE GET THE RIGHT
  • 00:22:48.356 --> 00:22:50.392
  • PANEL AT THE COURT OFAPPEALS, SO PRAY FOR THAT.
  • 00:22:50.492 --> 00:22:53.061
  • IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:22:53.161 --> 00:22:54.596
  • IT WILL AFFECT EVERYCHURCH, NOT ONLY IN
  • 00:22:54.696 --> 00:22:56.231
  • CALIFORNIA, BUT EVENIN OTHER PLACES ON THE
  • 00:22:56.331 --> 00:22:59.401
  • NORTHWEST. IT IS ACRITICALLY IMPORTANT CASE.
  • 00:22:59.501 --> 00:23:02.437
  • PASTOR CHE SAID THAT HEGOT A LETTER FROM THE
  • 00:23:02.537 --> 00:23:06.074
  • PASADENA PROSECUTOR.
  • 00:23:06.174 --> 00:23:07.342
  • WE HAVE THAT LETTERTHREATENING CRIMINAL
  • 00:23:07.442 --> 00:23:10.045
  • CHARGES UP TO A YEARPERFECT PRISON TO THE
  • 00:23:10.145 --> 00:23:11.613
  • PASTOR AND THE STAFF AND ANYATTENDEES FOR WORSHIPPING.
  • 00:23:11.713 --> 00:23:15.283
  • - MANDATED CHURCHCLOSURES AND RESTRICT
  • 00:23:15.383 --> 00:23:17.919
  • ATTENDANCE ARE NOT JUSTLIMITED TO STATES OR
  • 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:20.922
  • JUST THE STATESON THE WEST COAST.
  • 00:23:21.022 --> 00:23:22.724
  • IN BANGOR MAINE, PASTORKEN GRAVES WAS FED UP
  • 00:23:22.824 --> 00:23:26.661
  • WITH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSEDON HIS CHURCH AND DECIDED
  • 00:23:26.761 --> 00:23:30.065
  • TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION.
  • 00:23:30.165 --> 00:23:32.334
  • HE ARGUED THE GOVERNOR'SEXECUTIVE ORDER BANNING
  • 00:23:32.434 --> 00:23:35.270
  • ALL IN-PERSON WORSHIPINCLUDING PARKING LOT
  • 00:23:35.370 --> 00:23:38.473
  • SERVICES WASUNCONSTITUTIONAL.
  • 00:23:38.573 --> 00:23:41.443
  • UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE WE'VESEEN IN OTHER CASES ACROSS
  • 00:23:41.543 --> 00:23:44.579
  • THE COUNTRY, A FEDERALJUDGE RULED AGAINST THEM.
  • 00:23:44.679 --> 00:23:49.351
  • THIS SUMMER, RESTRICTIONSWERE PARTIALLY LIFTED,
  • 00:23:49.451 --> 00:23:52.754
  • AND NOW THE STATE ISALLOWING SERVICES OF 50
  • 00:23:52.854 --> 00:23:55.724
  • PEOPLE OR LESS, AND THESERVICES THAT CHURCHES
  • 00:23:55.824 --> 00:23:59.194
  • PROVIDE GO BEYONDWEEKEND WORSHIP.
  • 00:23:59.294 --> 00:24:01.863
  • PASTOR GRAVES APPEALEDARGUING THAT THERE SHOULD
  • 00:24:01.963 --> 00:24:04.733
  • BE NO LIMITATIONSON ATTENDANCE.
  • 00:24:04.833 --> 00:24:07.168
  • HIS APPEAL WAS HEARDWEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 9TH.
  • 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:11.172
  • MATT, AS OF TONIGHT,MONDAY SEPTEMBER 14TH,
  • 00:24:11.273 --> 00:24:14.476
  • IS THERE ANY UPDATEON THAT APPEAL?
  • 00:24:14.576 --> 00:24:17.913
  • - THERE'S NO UPDATE ONTHAT APPEAL YET, TOM, BUT
  • 00:24:18.013 --> 00:24:20.749
  • IRRESPECTIVE OF WHICH WAYTHE COURT GOES, THIS WILL
  • 00:24:20.849 --> 00:24:23.151
  • BE NOW A CASE THAT WILLBE COMPLETELY READY FOR A
  • 00:24:23.251 --> 00:24:25.587
  • FULL REVIEW ONCE THERULING COMES DOWN EITHER
  • 00:24:25.687 --> 00:24:28.523
  • WAY BEFORE THE UNITEDSTATES SUPREME COURT.
  • 00:24:28.623 --> 00:24:31.293
  • TO UNDERSTAND THE SUPREMECOURT HAS NOT RULED ON
  • 00:24:31.393 --> 00:24:34.496
  • THE MERITS OF ANY OFTHESE CASES DESPITE WHAT
  • 00:24:34.596 --> 00:24:36.831
  • YOU MAY HAVE READIN THE MEDIA.
  • 00:24:36.932 --> 00:24:38.733
  • TWO OF OUR CASESARE READY TO GO.
  • 00:24:38.833 --> 00:24:41.269
  • THE ONE THAT WE'LL TALKABOUT LATER IN CHICAGO
  • 00:24:41.369 --> 00:24:43.672
  • AND THIS ONE RIGHTHERE WITH PASTOR
  • 00:24:43.772 --> 00:24:45.307
  • KEN GRAVES OUT OF MAINE.
  • 00:24:45.407 --> 00:24:47.042
  • THESE COULD BE THEGROUNDBREAKING CASES THAT
  • 00:24:47.142 --> 00:24:49.444
  • SET THE PRECEDENT ACROSSTHE COUNTRY FOR ALL
  • 00:24:49.544 --> 00:24:51.880
  • CHURCHES SO THAT THISNEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
  • 00:24:51.980 --> 00:24:55.450
  • - WOW. KEN GRAVES,WELCOME TO PRAISE.
  • 00:24:55.550 --> 00:24:59.521
  • - IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.
  • 00:24:59.621 --> 00:25:01.723
  • - YOUR CHURCH HASOUTREACHES THAT OPERATE
  • 00:25:01.823 --> 00:25:05.460
  • THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
  • 00:25:05.560 --> 00:25:07.362
  • WHAT HAS THIS BEEN DONEFOR THOSE OUTREACHES?
  • 00:25:07.462 --> 00:25:12.067
  • - WELL ACTUALLY, WEHAVE JUST CONTINUED.
  • 00:25:12.167 --> 00:25:14.536
  • WE HAVE CONTINUED INDEFIANCE TO DO THE THINGS
  • 00:25:14.636 --> 00:25:18.073
  • THAT WE KNOW OUR KINGHAS CALLED US TO DO,
  • 00:25:18.173 --> 00:25:20.609
  • THE GREAT COMMISSION.
  • 00:25:20.709 --> 00:25:22.077
  • DID NOT SEEM APPROPRIATETO OBEY AN EDICT THAT
  • 00:25:22.177 --> 00:25:28.183
  • WAS NOT A LAW, NOTPASSED THROUGH THE
  • 00:25:28.283 --> 00:25:30.285
  • REPRESENTATIVES OF THEPEOPLE, BUT SIMPLY JUST
  • 00:25:30.385 --> 00:25:34.789
  • EXECUTIVE ORDERS OFGOVERNORS WHO HAVE
  • 00:25:34.889 --> 00:25:38.793
  • ASSUMED POWERS THAT,WE DON'T BELIEVE OUR
  • 00:25:38.893 --> 00:25:41.663
  • CONSTITUTION GRANTS THEM.
  • 00:25:41.763 --> 00:25:43.531
  • AND CERTAINLY THEY DON'THAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
  • 00:25:43.632 --> 00:25:46.868
  • OVERRULE OUR KING WHO HASCOMMANDED US WITH THE
  • 00:25:46.968 --> 00:25:49.638
  • GREAT COMMISSION TO MAKEDISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS.
  • 00:25:49.738 --> 00:25:53.742
  • - SO MATT STAVER, WHYDOES A ONE SIZE FITS ALL
  • 00:25:53.842 --> 00:25:56.978
  • BAN NOT SEEM TO WORK?
  • 00:25:57.078 --> 00:26:00.048
  • - PASTOR KEN GRAVES'CHURCH, CALVARY CHAPEL OF
  • 00:26:00.148 --> 00:26:03.351
  • BANGOR, IS A CLEAREXAMPLE OF THAT.
  • 00:26:03.451 --> 00:26:05.453
  • HE'S BEEN PASTORTHERE FOR 35 YEARS.
  • 00:26:05.553 --> 00:26:07.622
  • HE'S BEEN THERE WHEN THECHILDREN WERE BORN, WHEN
  • 00:26:07.722 --> 00:26:09.524
  • THEY WERE MARRIED, ANDWHEN THEY GAVE BIRTH TO
  • 00:26:09.624 --> 00:26:11.126
  • THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
  • 00:26:11.226 --> 00:26:12.594
  • IT'S THE FAMILY ANDEVERYONE KNOWS THAT FAMILY.
  • 00:26:12.694 --> 00:26:15.630
  • PART OF THAT FAMILY IS APASSION ON PASTOR KEN'S
  • 00:26:15.730 --> 00:26:19.934
  • HEART TO HELP PEOPLE LIKEHIS FATHER, WHO WAS AN
  • 00:26:20.035 --> 00:26:23.838
  • ALCOHOLIC AND LEFT HIMWHEN HE WAS YOUNG,
  • 00:26:23.938 --> 00:26:26.941
  • TO HELP PEOPLE ONSUBSTANCE ABUSE.
  • 00:26:27.042 --> 00:26:29.210
  • SO ON THE CHURCH PROPERTYSITE, THERE'S TWO HOMES,
  • 00:26:29.310 --> 00:26:31.946
  • ONE FOR WOMEN, ONEFOR MEN, 24 EACH,
  • 00:26:32.047 --> 00:26:33.948
  • 48 IN TOTAL, AND IT'SA YEARLONG PROGRAM.
  • 00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:37.218
  • THESE MEN AND WOMEN ASPART OF THIS PROGRAM GO
  • 00:26:37.318 --> 00:26:39.220
  • THROUGH THE ENTIREBIBLE IN ONE YEAR.
  • 00:26:39.320 --> 00:26:41.322
  • GENESIS THROUGH REVELATION.
  • 00:26:41.423 --> 00:26:42.991
  • - WOW.
  • 00:26:43.091 --> 00:26:44.259
  • - AND WHAT IS PART OFTHIS PROGRAM IS PRAISE
  • 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.194
  • AND WORSHIP, BIBLE STUDY,FELLOWSHIP, SUPPORT, AND
  • 00:26:46.294 --> 00:26:49.230
  • IT ALL TAKES PLACEIN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:26:49.330 --> 00:26:51.232
  • SO WHEN THE GOVERNORISSUED THE ORDER, NO
  • 00:26:51.332 --> 00:26:53.702
  • WORSHIP, WELL THISSUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM
  • 00:26:53.802 --> 00:26:56.838
  • TAKES PLACEIN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:26:56.938 --> 00:26:58.206
  • YOU CAN'T JUST SIMPLY CUTOUT THE CORE THAT MAKES
  • 00:26:58.306 --> 00:27:01.843
  • THIS PROGRAM EFFECTIVE,AND THAT IS THE GOSPEL OF
  • 00:27:01.943 --> 00:27:04.746
  • JESUS CHRIST, THERELATIONSHIP WITH OUR
  • 00:27:04.846 --> 00:27:07.315
  • LORD AND SAVIORJESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:27:07.415 --> 00:27:08.883
  • YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
  • 00:27:08.983 --> 00:27:10.351
  • IF YOU DID, THESE PEOPLEWOULD GO BACK INTO
  • 00:27:10.452 --> 00:27:12.253
  • EITHER DRUGS OR ALCOHOL.
  • 00:27:12.353 --> 00:27:14.289
  • MANY OF THEM WHO ARE NOTIN SOME PROGRAMS LIKE
  • 00:27:14.389 --> 00:27:16.858
  • THIS WHO ARE NOTCONNECTED WITH PLACES
  • 00:27:16.958 --> 00:27:18.760
  • LIKE PASTOR KEN'S CHURCHIN MAINE, THEY HAVE GONE
  • 00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:22.564
  • BACK INTO DRUG ADDICTIONAND CONSUMPTION BECAUSE
  • 00:27:22.664 --> 00:27:25.100
  • THEY'VE LOST THATSUPPORT SYSTEM.
  • 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.935
  • SO IN HIS CASE, WHATHAPPENED AND THIS IS
  • 00:27:27.035 --> 00:27:29.537
  • QUITE AMAZING TOM, HECONTINUED TO HAVE THE
  • 00:27:29.637 --> 00:27:32.874
  • WORSHIP THERE FOR THE48 MEN AND WOMEN IN THE
  • 00:27:32.974 --> 00:27:35.343
  • CHURCH SIMULCASTING ONTHE INTERNET FOR THE REST
  • 00:27:35.443 --> 00:27:39.514
  • OF THE CHURCH FAMILY THATWAS AT HOME, AND SOME OF
  • 00:27:39.614 --> 00:27:43.118
  • THOSE CHURCH FAMILY, THEYBEGAN TO LONG FOR THE
  • 00:27:43.218 --> 00:27:45.587
  • FELLOWSHIP ANDTHEY WERE WATCHING.
  • 00:27:45.687 --> 00:27:47.255
  • THEY SAW THEIR BROTHERSAND SISTERS WHO WERE IN
  • 00:27:47.355 --> 00:27:49.023
  • THE DRUG ABUSE, SUBSTANCEABUSE PROGRAM AND THEY
  • 00:27:49.124 --> 00:27:51.626
  • CALLED PASTOR KEN ANDSAID THIS, AND THIS
  • 00:27:51.726 --> 00:27:53.428
  • JUST BREAKS YOUR HEART.
  • 00:27:53.528 --> 00:27:55.029
  • PASTOR, I WANT TOCOME TO WORSHIP.
  • 00:27:55.130 --> 00:27:57.532
  • WILL THE CHURCH DOORS BELOCKED WHEN I GET THERE?
  • 00:27:57.632 --> 00:28:00.568
  • AND HE SAID NO, WE'RENOT GONNA LOCK THE DOOR.
  • 00:28:00.668 --> 00:28:02.771
  • COME ON IN.
  • 00:28:02.871 --> 00:28:04.038
  • SO THESE PEOPLE BEGANCOMING BACK TO WORSHIP
  • 00:28:04.139 --> 00:28:06.307
  • BECAUSE THEY LONGEDTO WORSHIP WITH THEIR
  • 00:28:06.407 --> 00:28:09.477
  • BROTHERS AND SISTERS, ANDTHAT'S THE KIND OF ONE
  • 00:28:09.577 --> 00:28:12.981
  • SIZE FITS ALL JUSTDOESN'T FIT FOR ALL THESE
  • 00:28:13.081 --> 00:28:15.750
  • CHURCHES ACROSS THECOUNTRY. YOU COULDN'T
  • 00:28:15.850 --> 00:28:17.919
  • CHANGE THIS TO A PODCASTAND DO THE SAME THING.
  • 00:28:18.019 --> 00:28:22.423
  • - PASTOR KEN, WHAT ARETHE AFFECTS YOU'RE SEEING
  • 00:28:22.524 --> 00:28:24.793
  • IN YOUR COMMUNITY?DEPRESSION,
  • 00:28:24.893 --> 00:28:26.594
  • HOPELESSNESS, ET CETERA,TALK TO US A LITTLE.
  • 00:28:26.694 --> 00:28:30.498
  • - WELL, OUR GOVERNMENTHAS ACTUALLY ORDERED OUR
  • 00:28:30.598 --> 00:28:33.802
  • PEOPLE TO BECOME POORER,AND THE RESULT OF THAT
  • 00:28:33.902 --> 00:28:37.705
  • HAS MULTIPLIED EVERY KINDOF SOCIAL PROBLEM THAT WE
  • 00:28:37.806 --> 00:28:41.309
  • ARE NORMALLY IN THEBUSINESS OF DEALING WITH.
  • 00:28:41.409 --> 00:28:43.645
  • SUICIDE RATE HAS ALREADYMORE THAN DOUBLED.
  • 00:28:43.745 --> 00:28:47.749
  • THE NUMBER OF DEATHS FROMDRUG OVERDOSES HAS FAR
  • 00:28:47.849 --> 00:28:51.352
  • EXCEEDED ANY OF THOSEDEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO COVID.
  • 00:28:51.452 --> 00:28:56.357
  • WE MAINTAIN THEY DIEWITH IT, NOT FROM IT.
  • 00:28:56.457 --> 00:28:59.360
  • ADD TO THAT ALL THEMERITS COMPLEX, A VARIETY
  • 00:28:59.460 --> 00:29:03.765
  • OF SIN ORIENTED SOCIALPROBLEMS FOR WHICH
  • 00:29:03.865 --> 00:29:08.403
  • JESUS CHRIST ISIN FACT THE CURE.
  • 00:29:08.503 --> 00:29:12.240
  • - PASTOR KEN, BRIEFLYTELL US WHAT WOULD YOU
  • 00:29:12.340 --> 00:29:15.743
  • SAY TO CHRISTIANS WHOARE SCARED RIGHT
  • 00:29:15.844 --> 00:29:17.946
  • NOW TO TAKE A STAND.
  • 00:29:18.046 --> 00:29:21.182
  • - IT'S WORTH NOTING THATA SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
  • 00:29:21.282 --> 00:29:24.252
  • THE PASTORS WHO HAVE SEENTHIS FOR WHAT IT IS AND
  • 00:29:24.352 --> 00:29:28.089
  • HAVE STOOD UP TOCHALLENGE THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:29:28.189 --> 00:29:30.358
  • ARE AMERICANS WHOIMMIGRATED FROM OTHER
  • 00:29:30.458 --> 00:29:34.028
  • COUNTRIES THAT HAVEN'THAD TWO AND A HALF
  • 00:29:34.128 --> 00:29:37.131
  • CENTURIES OF THISKIND OF FREEDOM.
  • 00:29:37.232 --> 00:29:39.667
  • THEY RECOGNIZE ITFOR WHAT IT IS.
  • 00:29:39.767 --> 00:29:41.736
  • I REALLY BELIEVE THATFEAR IS OF THE DEVIL,
  • 00:29:41.836 --> 00:29:45.540
  • AND GOD HAS CALLEDUS TO BOLDNESS.
  • 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.976
  • IT IS THE FEAR OFMAN THAT IS A SNARE.
  • 00:29:48.076 --> 00:29:51.279
  • IT'S A TERRIBLE TRAP, ANDI REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:29:51.379 --> 00:29:54.549
  • THE WORD OF GOD AND THECALL OF OUR KING
  • 00:29:54.649 --> 00:29:57.318
  • CALLS US TO ACTION.
  • 00:29:57.418 --> 00:30:00.989
  • - THANK YOU SOMUCH PASTOR KEN.
  • 00:30:01.089 --> 00:30:03.291
  • I APPRECIATE THAT.
  • 00:30:03.391 --> 00:30:05.793
  • SECRET POLICE ARE STAKINGOUT CHURCH GATHERINGS.
  • 00:30:05.894 --> 00:30:10.031
  • PASTORS BEING PUBLICLYPRESSURED BY LOCAL
  • 00:30:10.131 --> 00:30:12.867
  • OFFICIALS. ROAD BLOCKS BEINGSET UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS
  • 00:30:12.967 --> 00:30:17.071
  • PREVENTING PEOPLE FROMATTENDING SERVICES.
  • 00:30:17.171 --> 00:30:19.908
  • NO, THESE ARE NOTHEADLINES FROM STALIN'S
  • 00:30:20.008 --> 00:30:23.578
  • SOVIET UNION BUTCHICAGO IN 2020.
  • 00:30:23.678 --> 00:30:28.016
  • AND THE PASTOR THATIS FACING THESE
  • 00:30:28.116 --> 00:30:30.018
  • "SOVIETESQUE" POLICIESHAS ALREADY SURVIVED
  • 00:30:30.118 --> 00:30:33.221
  • COMMUNISM ONCE. INROMANIA TONIGHT, PASTOR
  • 00:30:33.321 --> 00:30:37.926
  • CRISTIAN IONESCU JOINSUS. PASTOR, WELCOME.
  • 00:30:38.026 --> 00:30:43.364
  • - THANK YOU VERYMUCH FOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:30:43.464 --> 00:30:45.199
  • - WHAT IS GOINGON IN CHICAGO?
  • 00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:49.370
  • - WELL, RIGHT NOWEVERYTHING IS LOOKING GOOD.
  • 00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:53.241
  • AS MATT WOULD TELLYOU, WE'VE HAD A GREAT
  • 00:30:53.341 --> 00:30:58.012
  • VICTORY, AND THE GOVERNORRELEASED US FROM ALL THE
  • 00:30:58.112 --> 00:31:04.552
  • RESTRICTIONS ATLEAST FOR THE MOMENT.
  • 00:31:04.652 --> 00:31:07.255
  • OUR CASE WENT TO THECOURTS, AND I'M HAPPY TO
  • 00:31:07.355 --> 00:31:12.360
  • REPORT THAT ELIM ROMANIANPENTECOSTAL CHURCH
  • 00:31:12.460 --> 00:31:15.730
  • HAS REGAINED NORMALCY.
  • 00:31:15.830 --> 00:31:18.433
  • WE ARE MEETING AT ALL OURSERVICES AND ACTIVITIES
  • 00:31:18.533 --> 00:31:22.804
  • AND IT'S GOING GREAT.
  • 00:31:22.904 --> 00:31:25.273
  • - SO CRISTIAN, WHAT DIDTHE CITY DO TO KEEP YOU
  • 00:31:25.373 --> 00:31:29.110
  • FROM ATTENDING CHURCH?
  • 00:31:29.210 --> 00:31:32.914
  • - WELL, THE CITY ANDTHE STATE RESORTED TO
  • 00:31:33.014 --> 00:31:39.487
  • TOTALITARIAN WAYS TORESTRICT OUR GATHERINGS,
  • 00:31:39.587 --> 00:31:44.659
  • AND WE ARE IMMUNIZEDAGAINST THIS PROPAGANDA
  • 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.830
  • BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN INA TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY
  • 00:31:48.930 --> 00:31:52.600
  • WHICH WAS ROMANIA, AND WEARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE
  • 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.104
  • THE SYMPTOMS OF IT.
  • 00:31:56.204 --> 00:31:58.339
  • FIRST OF ALL, THEVENGEFUL ACTIONS OF A
  • 00:31:58.439 --> 00:32:02.710
  • TOTALITARIAN REGIME, AGOVERNMENT TURNING BAD,
  • 00:32:02.810 --> 00:32:06.481
  • AND WHAT HAPPENED ISBECAUSE THEY COULDN'T
  • 00:32:06.581 --> 00:32:10.885
  • ATTACK US ON OURCONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
  • 00:32:10.985 --> 00:32:14.789
  • WORSHIP AND TO GATHERBASED ON THE FIRST
  • 00:32:14.889 --> 00:32:18.292
  • AMENDMENT, THEY TRIED TOTAKE AWAY OUR PARKING LOT.
  • 00:32:18.393 --> 00:32:21.863
  • THEY BLOCKED THE ENTRANCETO THE PARKING LOT,
  • 00:32:21.963 --> 00:32:24.699
  • WHICH WAS A PRIVATELYOWNED PARKING LOT.
  • 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.635
  • YOU COULDN'T DO THAT EVENIF YOU ARE THE POLICE
  • 00:32:27.735 --> 00:32:30.071
  • UNLESS YOU CAN FOR SUREPROVE THAT THERE IS A
  • 00:32:30.171 --> 00:32:36.310
  • CRIME IN THE COURSEOF BEING COMMITTED.
  • 00:32:36.411 --> 00:32:39.013
  • AND THEY'VE HARASSEDTHE NEIGHBORHOOD.
  • 00:32:39.113 --> 00:32:42.150
  • THEY PLACED NO PARKINGSIGNS ALL AROUND THE
  • 00:32:42.250 --> 00:32:44.886
  • NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A FEWBLOCKS IN CHICAGO.
  • 00:32:44.986 --> 00:32:47.688
  • ONE WAY STREETS, PEOPLEDEPENDING ON STREET PARKING,
  • 00:32:47.789 --> 00:32:53.895
  • AND THEY BLAMETHAT ON THE CHURCH,
  • 00:32:53.995 --> 00:32:56.197
  • BUT WE DIDN'T USE THESTREET PARKING.
  • 00:32:56.297 --> 00:32:59.267
  • AND THEN THEY'VETHREATENED US WITH SUMMARY
  • 00:32:59.367 --> 00:33:02.470
  • ABATEMENT. SO YOU SEEVINDICTIVE GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:33:02.570 --> 00:33:05.373
  • I MEAN WHEN THEGOVERNMENT LOSES A CASE,
  • 00:33:05.473 --> 00:33:07.975
  • THEY SHOULD JUST FOLDTHEIR TENT AND LET US BE.
  • 00:33:08.076 --> 00:33:11.512
  • WHEN THEY USE OTHERWAYS TO ATTACK US,
  • 00:33:11.612 --> 00:33:15.083
  • THAT'S VINDICTIVENESS.
  • 00:33:15.183 --> 00:33:18.119
  • THEN YOU SEEHYPOCRITICAL GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:33:18.219 --> 00:33:20.254
  • WHATEVER RULES THEYIMPOSE ON US, THEY DO NOT
  • 00:33:20.354 --> 00:33:23.458
  • RESPECT THEMSELVES.
  • 00:33:23.558 --> 00:33:25.293
  • AND ANOTHER THING THATTHEY DO, THEY CANNOT
  • 00:33:25.393 --> 00:33:28.930
  • TOLERATE PARALLEL FORMSOF AUTHORITY LIKE
  • 00:33:29.030 --> 00:33:33.101
  • PARENTS, LIKE PRIVATESCHOOLS, CHRISTIAN
  • 00:33:33.201 --> 00:33:35.903
  • SCHOOLS, ANDLIKE CHURCHES.
  • 00:33:36.003 --> 00:33:38.406
  • THEY ARE THREATENED BYPARALLEL FORMS OF AUTHORITY.
  • 00:33:38.506 --> 00:33:41.976
  • WE ARE NOT TO SUBMITTO THE GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:33:42.076 --> 00:33:44.178
  • AS CITIZENS, WE SHOULD BEOBEDIENT AS FAR AS THE
  • 00:33:44.278 --> 00:33:47.281
  • RULE OF LAW IS CONCERNED,NOT ON BREAKING THE LAWS,
  • 00:33:47.381 --> 00:33:50.885
  • NOT ATTACKING OTHERPEOPLE, NOT DOING HARM IN
  • 00:33:50.985 --> 00:33:53.921
  • OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT ASFAR AS THE CHURCH IS
  • 00:33:54.021 --> 00:33:58.226
  • CONCERNED, THE CHURCHONLY SUBMITS TO THE LORD.
  • 00:33:58.326 --> 00:34:03.097
  • - YOU KNOW TOM ANDPASTOR, THIS IS
  • 00:34:03.197 --> 00:34:07.335
  • UNBELIEVABLE WHATHAPPENED IN ILLINOIS.
  • 00:34:07.435 --> 00:34:10.438
  • IT WAS ONE OF THE MOSTRESTRICTIVE STATES.
  • 00:34:10.538 --> 00:34:12.607
  • THE SUMMARY ABATEMENTTHAT THE PASTOR MENTIONED
  • 00:34:12.707 --> 00:34:15.276
  • IS ACTUALLY UP TO INCLUDINGBULLDOZING THE BUILDING.
  • 00:34:15.376 --> 00:34:18.513
  • NOW PASTOR CRISTIAN ANDOTHER ROMANIAN IMMIGRANTS
  • 00:34:18.613 --> 00:34:21.249
  • WHO LOVE THIS COUNTRY,CAME TO THE LAND OF
  • 00:34:21.349 --> 00:34:23.184
  • FREEDOM, THEY KNOWWHAT THAT MEANS
  • 00:34:23.284 --> 00:34:24.952
  • IN COMMUNIST ROMANIA.
  • 00:34:25.052 --> 00:34:27.421
  • THEY KNOW THAT PASTORSGOT ARRESTED, CHURCHES
  • 00:34:27.522 --> 00:34:29.690
  • GOT CLOSED, BULLDOZED,CHRISTIANS GOT ARRESTED.
  • 00:34:29.790 --> 00:34:32.293
  • THEY NEVER THOUGHT THEYWOULD EVER SEE THAT IN
  • 00:34:32.393 --> 00:34:34.095
  • THE UNITED STATESOF AMERICA.
  • 00:34:34.195 --> 00:34:35.796
  • AND THE ONLY REASON WHYTHERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS
  • 00:34:35.897 --> 00:34:37.465
  • RIGHT NOW IN ILLINOISIS BECAUSE WE TOOK THE
  • 00:34:37.565 --> 00:34:40.001
  • GOVERNOR ALL THE WAY TOTHE U.S. SUPREME COURT,
  • 00:34:40.101 --> 00:34:41.869
  • AND WITHIN A COUPLE OFHOURS OF THE TIME
  • 00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:44.138
  • HE HAD TO FILE THERESPONSE AT THE U.S.
  • 00:34:44.238 --> 00:34:46.240
  • SUPREME COURT, HE WITHDREWALL THE RESTRICTIONS.
  • 00:34:46.340 --> 00:34:49.043
  • BUT HE WANTS TO GO BACKTO HIS BAD WAYS AND
  • 00:34:49.143 --> 00:34:51.045
  • THAT'S WHY THISCASE IS STILL GOING.
  • 00:34:51.145 --> 00:34:54.248
  • - WOW. SO WHAT DOCHRISTIANS AND PASTORS
  • 00:34:54.348 --> 00:34:56.651
  • NEED TO DO TO FIGHT BACK?
  • 00:34:56.751 --> 00:34:59.453
  • - WE NEED TO UNDERSTANDTHAT AS A PASTOR, YOU
  • 00:34:59.554 --> 00:35:03.391
  • HAVE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THECOMMANDMENTS OF OUR LORD.
  • 00:35:03.491 --> 00:35:07.862
  • AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OFPASTORS SAYING WELL,
  • 00:35:07.962 --> 00:35:10.131
  • JESUS DIDN'T REALLYCOMMAND THE CHURCH TO
  • 00:35:10.231 --> 00:35:12.300
  • GATHER PHYSICALLY, ANDTHIS IS UNCONSCIONABLE.
  • 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.437
  • I THINK IT'S ATRAVESTY ON THEOLOGY.
  • 00:35:16.537 --> 00:35:20.074
  • WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ONETHING AND ONE THING ONLY.
  • 00:35:20.174 --> 00:35:25.179
  • WE CANNOT OVER SIMPLIFYTHE CONCEPT OF THE CHURCH.
  • 00:35:25.279 --> 00:35:29.951
  • THE CHURCH OF OUR LORDJESUS CHRIST HAS TO
  • 00:35:30.051 --> 00:35:32.853
  • PHYSICALLY GATHER.
  • 00:35:32.954 --> 00:35:34.755
  • WE HAVE A UNIVERSALDIMENSION OF THIS
  • 00:35:34.855 --> 00:35:39.293
  • CONCEPT, THE CHURCH,WHERE WE ARE IN
  • 00:35:39.393 --> 00:35:42.029
  • FELLOWSHIP AS HEBREWSWOULD SAY WITH ALL THE
  • 00:35:42.129 --> 00:35:45.166
  • SAINTS FROM THE OLD, THEANGELS, EVERYBODY IN THE
  • 00:35:45.266 --> 00:35:50.404
  • KINGDOM OF GOD REGARDLESSOF THE TIMES, REGARDLESS
  • 00:35:50.504 --> 00:35:54.308
  • OF SPACE, REGARDLESS OFBEING IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH.
  • 00:35:54.408 --> 00:35:59.180
  • BUT WHEN IT COMES TOTHE LOCAL CHURCH,
  • 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.350
  • THAT CONCEPT OF THELOCAL CHURCH WITHOUT
  • 00:36:02.450 --> 00:36:05.686
  • PHYSICAL GATHERINGIT DOES NOT EXIST.
  • 00:36:05.786 --> 00:36:08.489
  • AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENTRESTRICTS THAT,
  • 00:36:08.589 --> 00:36:11.158
  • IT IS A DEATH SENTENCE.
  • 00:36:11.259 --> 00:36:14.595
  • - THAT'S GREAT. PASTOR,THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
  • 00:36:14.695 --> 00:36:17.765
  • STAND STRONGTHERE IN CHICAGO.
  • 00:36:17.865 --> 00:36:19.500
  • HOLD THAT LINEFOR THE KINGDOM.
  • 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:22.069
  • - ANDREW WOMMACK HASA LARGE MINISTRY IN
  • 00:36:22.169 --> 00:36:24.538
  • COLORADO AS WELLAS A BIBLE SCHOOL.
  • 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.208
  • RECENTLY, THE GOVERNMENTHAS PUT CONFLICTING
  • 00:36:27.308 --> 00:36:30.044
  • RESTRICTIONS ON THECAPACITY OF HIS GATHERINGS.
  • 00:36:30.144 --> 00:36:33.414
  • NEW TONIGHT, ANDREWWOMMACK JOINS ME AS WELL
  • 00:36:33.514 --> 00:36:36.450
  • AS MATT STAVER FROMLIBERTY COUNSEL WHO IS
  • 00:36:36.550 --> 00:36:39.086
  • REPRESENTING HIS CASE.
  • 00:36:39.186 --> 00:36:41.122
  • ANDREW, YOU HAVE A BIBLESCHOOL AS WELL AS HOSTS
  • 00:36:41.222 --> 00:36:44.258
  • LARGE WORSHIP SERVICESAND OPEN GATHERINGS
  • 00:36:44.358 --> 00:36:46.994
  • THAT MEET ON THESAME PROPERTY.
  • 00:36:47.094 --> 00:36:49.196
  • WHAT DO THOSE MEETINGSLOOK LIKE NORMALLY, AND
  • 00:36:49.297 --> 00:36:51.999
  • HOW HAVE THEY CHANGEDSINCE THE GOVERNMENT HAS
  • 00:36:52.099 --> 00:36:54.635
  • STEPPED IN WITHCOVID- 19 REGULATIONS.
  • 00:36:54.735 --> 00:36:57.438
  • - WELL, YOU KNOW TOM,NORMALLY OUR FACILITY,
  • 00:36:57.538 --> 00:36:59.340
  • OUR AUDITORIUM SEATS 3200PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A
  • 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.711
  • TOTAL OF 250.000SQUARE FEET.
  • 00:37:03.811 --> 00:37:07.615
  • SO WE'VE GOT MULTIPLEAUDITORIUMS.
  • 00:37:07.715 --> 00:37:09.850
  • WE CAN ACCOMMODATE OVER5.000 PEOPLE IN OUR
  • 00:37:09.950 --> 00:37:13.187
  • BUILDINGS AT MEETINGSAT ANY ONE TIME.
  • 00:37:13.287 --> 00:37:16.757
  • AND THE GOVERNOR HERE INCOLORADO HAS DICTATED THAT
  • 00:37:16.857 --> 00:37:20.227
  • YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 175 PEOPLEIN ATTENDANCE AT
  • 00:37:20.328 --> 00:37:23.431
  • ANY ONE TIME.
  • 00:37:23.531 --> 00:37:25.132
  • AND YET, WE'VE GOT250.000 SQUARE FEET.
  • 00:37:25.232 --> 00:37:29.570
  • SO WE COULD PRACTICE SOCIALDISTANCING AND ALL OF THESE
  • 00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:33.074
  • THINGS, AND IT JUSTDOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
  • 00:37:33.174 --> 00:37:35.710
  • PLUS, NOW FIGURE THIS IN,THERE ARE NO LIMITS
  • 00:37:35.810 --> 00:37:40.314
  • ON SCHOOLS MEETING.
  • 00:37:40.414 --> 00:37:42.249
  • I MEAN, THE UNIVERSITIESHAVE THOUSANDS
  • 00:37:42.350 --> 00:37:44.819
  • AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:37:44.919 --> 00:37:46.253
  • RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 750PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR MAIN
  • 00:37:46.354 --> 00:37:48.723
  • FACILITY, AND THERE ARENO RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.
  • 00:37:48.823 --> 00:37:51.859
  • NOW, WE'RE FOLLOWINGGUIDELINES ABOUT THEM
  • 00:37:51.959 --> 00:37:55.096
  • WEARING MASKS, AND WE'RETRYING TO COOPERATE AND GET
  • 00:37:55.196 --> 00:37:56.997
  • ALONG, BUT THOSE SAMEPEOPLE, 750 PEOPLE IN THIS
  • 00:37:57.098 --> 00:38:01.302
  • FACILITY, THERE'S NO PROBLEMWITH THAT, BUT THE MOMENT WE
  • 00:38:01.402 --> 00:38:04.405
  • CALL IT A RELIGIOUS SERVICE,LIKE WE'RE HAVING THIS
  • 00:38:04.505 --> 00:38:09.110
  • WEEKEND, AND THE MOMENT WEPUT THAT IT'S A RELIGIOUS
  • 00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:12.413
  • SERVICE INSTEAD OF A SCHOOL-- WE COULD HAVE THE EXACT
  • 00:38:12.513 --> 00:38:15.583
  • SAME PEOPLE, THE SAMESTUDENTS COME, AND
  • 00:38:15.683 --> 00:38:18.018
  • IMMEDIATELY WE'RE LIMITED TO175 PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH WE
  • 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.988
  • HAVE 250.000 SQUARE FEET.
  • 00:38:21.088 --> 00:38:23.557
  • THIS JUST MAKESNO SENSE TO ME.
  • 00:38:23.657 --> 00:38:26.627
  • - WELL, THIS MAKES ITCRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE
  • 00:38:26.727 --> 00:38:29.563
  • DISCRIMINATION IS AGAINSTWORSHIP BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE
  • 00:38:29.663 --> 00:38:34.135
  • AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OFPEOPLE GATHER TOGETHER FOR K
  • 00:38:34.235 --> 00:38:37.538
  • THROUGH COLLEGE AND A BIBLESCHOOL WITH NO LIMITATIONS
  • 00:38:37.638 --> 00:38:41.976
  • OTHER THAN SOCIALDISTANCING.
  • 00:38:42.076 --> 00:38:43.911
  • SO IN THE 3100 SEATSANCTUARY AT CARES, YOU CAN
  • 00:38:44.011 --> 00:38:47.548
  • HAVE PEOPLE GATHERED THEREFOR AN EDUCATIONAL MEETING,
  • 00:38:47.648 --> 00:38:50.618
  • BUT ANDREW WOMMACK MINISTRYINTERNATIONAL CANNOT HAVE
  • 00:38:50.718 --> 00:38:53.587
  • THE SAME MEETING IN THE SAMEPLACE TO HAVE A WORSHIP
  • 00:38:53.687 --> 00:38:58.259
  • SERVICE OR HEALING SERVICEOR A BIBLE CONFERENCE IN
  • 00:38:58.359 --> 00:39:00.428
  • THAT SAME PLACE.
  • 00:39:00.528 --> 00:39:02.696
  • IT HAS TO BE REDUCEDDOWN TO 175 PEOPLE.
  • 00:39:02.797 --> 00:39:05.099
  • FROM A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE,IT MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL.
  • 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.535
  • IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT ISTARGETING WORSHIP AND THE
  • 00:39:07.635 --> 00:39:10.938
  • STUDY OF THE BIBLE.
  • 00:39:11.038 --> 00:39:12.740
  • - ANDREW, DO YOU THINKTHAT'S FAIR FOR THE SCHOOL
  • 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.743
  • EVENTS, YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVESO MANY PEOPLE IN THE SAME
  • 00:39:15.843 --> 00:39:18.245
  • BUILDING, AND YET WHEN ITBECOMES A WORSHIP SERVICE OR
  • 00:39:18.345 --> 00:39:21.015
  • CONFERENCE, YOU'RE BEINGLIMITED ON CAPACITY?
  • 00:39:21.115 --> 00:39:24.685
  • - SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAINTHING THAT WE ARE FILING
  • 00:39:24.785 --> 00:39:27.988
  • THIS SUIT WITH THE COLORADOGOVERNMENT IS TO SHOW THE
  • 00:39:28.088 --> 00:39:32.927
  • DISPARITY THAT YOU CAN HAVESCHOOL, YOU CAN HAVE FOOD
  • 00:39:33.027 --> 00:39:38.098
  • PROGRAMS, YOU CAN HAVECOUNSELING SERVICES,
  • 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.701
  • YOU CAN HAVE NEARLY ALLKINDS OF THINGS.
  • 00:39:40.801 --> 00:39:42.436
  • OF COURSE, YOU CAN HAVEPROTESTS, AND THE GOVERNOR
  • 00:39:42.536 --> 00:39:44.872
  • EVEN COMES OUT AND SAYS, WEENCOURAGE YOUR PROTEST, AND
  • 00:39:44.972 --> 00:39:47.675
  • THERE CAN BE THOUSANDSOF PEOPLE WITH NO SOCIAL
  • 00:39:47.775 --> 00:39:50.978
  • DISTANCING AND NOMASK OR ANYTHING.
  • 00:39:51.078 --> 00:39:53.147
  • BUT THE MOMENT YOU CALL ITA RELIGIOUS SERVICE, THEN
  • 00:39:53.247 --> 00:39:55.783
  • IMMEDIATELY, YOU ARE LIMITEDTO THIS 175 AND ALL OF THESE
  • 00:39:55.883 --> 00:39:59.220
  • OTHER RESTRICTIONS.
  • 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.088
  • THAT IS JUST -- THAT'SABSOLUTELY DISCRIMINATION
  • 00:40:01.188 --> 00:40:03.991
  • AGAINST CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:40:04.091 --> 00:40:06.627
  • AND THEY ARE USING, AS ANEXCUSE, AS A COVER FOR THIS,
  • 00:40:06.727 --> 00:40:10.464
  • THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEALINGWITH THIS PANDEMIC AND
  • 00:40:10.564 --> 00:40:13.000
  • STUFF, BUT IT'S ANINFRINGEMENT OF OUR RIGHTS.
  • 00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:15.970
  • AND I BELIEVE IT'SABSOLUTELY WRONG, AND
  • 00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:18.105
  • THEREFORE I FEEL LIKE YOUHAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
  • 00:40:18.205 --> 00:40:21.909
  • PUSH BACK AGAINST THISBECAUSE IF WE GIVE THE
  • 00:40:22.009 --> 00:40:24.545
  • GOVERNMENT THIS KIND OFCONTROL, THAT THEY CAN TELL
  • 00:40:24.645 --> 00:40:26.747
  • US THAT YOU CAN HAVE SCHOOL,YOU CAN HAVE THIS, BUT YOU
  • 00:40:26.847 --> 00:40:29.917
  • CANNOT HAVE A RELIGIOUSSERVICE, THAT IS JUST
  • 00:40:30.017 --> 00:40:32.453
  • TAKING AWAY OUR FIRSTAMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND THEY
  • 00:40:32.553 --> 00:40:35.289
  • CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT MYCOOPERATION, SO I'M NOT
  • 00:40:35.389 --> 00:40:38.092
  • COOPERATING ANYMORE.
  • 00:40:38.192 --> 00:40:40.694
  • - OKAY, THEN, MATT,EXPLAIN THIS TO US.
  • 00:40:40.794 --> 00:40:43.230
  • HOW DOES THIS WORK?
  • 00:40:43.330 --> 00:40:44.899
  • WHAT KIND OF CIVILLIBERTIES ARE BEING
  • 00:40:44.999 --> 00:40:46.901
  • INFRINGED UPON HERE?
  • 00:40:47.001 --> 00:40:48.636
  • AND IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL?
  • 00:40:48.736 --> 00:40:51.338
  • - THIS IS ABSOLUTELYNOT CONSTITUTIONAL.
  • 00:40:51.438 --> 00:40:53.674
  • THE SUPREME COURT SAID IN1947, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE
  • 00:40:53.774 --> 00:40:57.511
  • ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE OF THEFIRST AMENDMENT MEANS THAT
  • 00:40:57.611 --> 00:41:00.881
  • THE STATE CANNOT PROHIBITSOMEONE FROM ATTENDING
  • 00:41:00.981 --> 00:41:03.551
  • CHURCH AGAINST THEIR WILL.
  • 00:41:03.651 --> 00:41:05.519
  • UNDERSTAND THIS: THESESTUDENTS CAN GO INTO THE
  • 00:41:05.619 --> 00:41:08.556
  • SANCTUARY, AND THEY CAN HAVEAN EDUCATIONAL MEETING.
  • 00:41:08.656 --> 00:41:11.458
  • BUT AS SOON AS ANDREW GETSUP AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A
  • 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.328
  • WORSHIP SERVICE OR A HEALINGSERVICE, THEN THAT BECOME A
  • 00:41:14.428 --> 00:41:17.798
  • RELIGIOUS SERVICE, AND YOUHAVE TO KICK OUT MOST OF THE
  • 00:41:17.898 --> 00:41:20.935
  • PEOPLE AND LIMIT THENUMBERS ONLY TO 175.
  • 00:41:21.035 --> 00:41:24.271
  • THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TARGETINGRELIGION, AND THAT'S A CLEAR
  • 00:41:24.371 --> 00:41:27.341
  • VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENTFREE EXERCISE CLAUSE, AS
  • 00:41:27.441 --> 00:41:29.910
  • WELL AS THE ESTABLISHMENT OFRELIGIOUS THAT IS PROHIBITED
  • 00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:32.446
  • BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
  • 00:41:32.546 --> 00:41:34.448
  • - SO ANDREW, WHAT ARE YOURPLANS FOR MOVING FORWARD?
  • 00:41:34.548 --> 00:41:38.352
  • - WELL, OUR NEXT STEP ISGOING TO BE THAT, WITH
  • 00:41:38.452 --> 00:41:41.021
  • LIBERTY COUNSEL -- AND OFCOURSE MATT STAVER HAS
  • 00:41:41.121 --> 00:41:44.224
  • BEEN SUCH A BLESSING, ANDHE'S COUNSELED US ON THIS
  • 00:41:44.325 --> 00:41:47.227
  • AND GIVEN US A TREMENDOUSAMOUNT OF INFORMATION, AND
  • 00:41:47.328 --> 00:41:49.697
  • THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF WORKINTO THIS, TOO -- BUT MATT
  • 00:41:49.797 --> 00:41:53.934
  • AND LIBERTY COUNSEL, WE AREFILING -- I'M NOT SURE OF
  • 00:41:54.034 --> 00:41:57.871
  • THE PERFECT WORDING, MATTWILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU,
  • 00:41:57.972 --> 00:42:00.708
  • BUT I THINK IT'S A LAW SUITOR A GRIEVANCE OR SOMETHING
  • 00:42:00.808 --> 00:42:03.544
  • THAT WE'RE GOING TO FILEWITH THE STATE SAYING THAT
  • 00:42:03.644 --> 00:42:06.280
  • THIS IS UNFAIR TREATMENT.
  • 00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:08.182
  • IT'S GOING TO BE WELLOVER A HUNDRED PAGES.
  • 00:42:08.282 --> 00:42:10.451
  • AND SO WE'RE PUSHING BACK,AND IT DEPENDS A LOT ON THE
  • 00:42:10.551 --> 00:42:15.456
  • JUDGES THAT WE GET, ON ALOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:42:15.556 --> 00:42:18.392
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEOUTCOME OF IT IS GOING TO
  • 00:42:18.492 --> 00:42:20.594
  • BE, AND I ACTUALLY HAD THISDISCUSSION WITH MY STAFF.
  • 00:42:20.694 --> 00:42:23.497
  • THEY SAID, WELL,WHAT IF WE DON'T WIN?
  • 00:42:23.597 --> 00:42:25.666
  • WHAT IF WE LOSE?
  • 00:42:25.766 --> 00:42:27.668
  • AND I SAID, IT'S NOT AMATTER OF IF WE WIN OR LOSE.
  • 00:42:27.768 --> 00:42:29.570
  • IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT'STHE RIGHT THING TO DO?
  • 00:42:29.670 --> 00:42:31.739
  • AND IF ENOUGH CHRISTIANSWERE TO STAND UP AND DO
  • 00:42:31.839 --> 00:42:36.677
  • THIS, I GUARANTEE YOU, WECOULD OVERCOME THESE THINGS.
  • 00:42:36.777 --> 00:42:40.314
  • BUT HOPEFULLY, WE WILL WIN,BUT WHETHER WE DID OR NOT,
  • 00:42:40.414 --> 00:42:44.151
  • I BELIEVE IT'S THERIGHT THING TO DO.
  • 00:42:44.251 --> 00:42:46.086
  • SO WE ARE NOT TAKINGTHIS SITTING DOWN.
  • 00:42:46.186 --> 00:42:47.821
  • WE'RE FILING SOMETHINGAGAINST THE GOVERNMENT ON
  • 00:42:47.921 --> 00:42:50.724
  • THIS AND EXERTING YOU AREFIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
  • 00:42:50.824 --> 00:42:54.328
  • - MATT, IS THERE ANYTHINGYOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS?
  • 00:42:54.428 --> 00:42:56.797
  • - I THINK IT'S VERY CLEARWHEN WE LOOK AT THESE KINDS
  • 00:42:56.897 --> 00:42:59.299
  • OF RESTRICTIONSWHAT'S UNDER ATTACK.
  • 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.168
  • WE'RE CERTAINLY INVOLVED INSPIRITUAL CONFLICT, BUT WE
  • 00:43:01.268 --> 00:43:03.804
  • SEE THESE ORDERS AS ANEARTHLY MANIFESTATION OF
  • 00:43:03.904 --> 00:43:08.375
  • SERIOUS RESTRICTIONSON THE CHURCH.
  • 00:43:08.475 --> 00:43:10.844
  • CAESAR DOES NOT HAVEJURISDICTION OF THE CHURCH.
  • 00:43:10.944 --> 00:43:14.281
  • THE CHURCH IS UNDER THE LORDJESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:43:14.381 --> 00:43:17.484
  • AND IT'S NEVER BEEN UNDER THETHUMB OF GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:43:17.584 --> 00:43:19.953
  • THAT'S WHY WEHAVE A REVOLUTION.
  • 00:43:20.054 --> 00:43:22.256
  • THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ACONSTITUTION, BUT WE DENY
  • 00:43:22.356 --> 00:43:25.926
  • HAVE A CONSTITUTION IF WEDON'T STAND AND DEFEND IT,
  • 00:43:26.026 --> 00:43:28.662
  • AND THAT'S WHY ANDREWWOMMACK AND MANY OTHER
  • 00:43:28.762 --> 00:43:31.732
  • PASTORS AROUND THE COUNTRYARE TAKING A STAND BECAUSE
  • 00:43:31.832 --> 00:43:34.134
  • ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
  • 00:43:34.234 --> 00:43:35.869
  • WE NEED TO DRAW ALINE IN THE SAND.
  • 00:43:35.969 --> 00:43:37.604
  • WE'RE GOING INTO FEDERALCOURT TO CHALLENGE THESE
  • 00:43:37.705 --> 00:43:40.140
  • UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS.
  • 00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:41.809
  • IT CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR THATTHEY VIOLATE THE FIRST
  • 00:43:41.909 --> 00:43:43.544
  • AMENDMENT, AND THEY'REDISCRIMINATORY AGAINST
  • 00:43:43.644 --> 00:43:47.214
  • RELIGION, AND THEY VIOLATEALL CONSTITUTIONAL
  • 00:43:47.314 --> 00:43:49.650
  • PRINCIPLES THATYOU CAN IMAGINE.
  • 00:43:49.750 --> 00:43:52.052
  • SO WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVINGTHIS COURT CASE THROUGH UP
  • 00:43:52.152 --> 00:43:55.289
  • TO THE COURT OF APPEAL ANDEVENTUALLY EVEN POTENTIALLY
  • 00:43:55.389 --> 00:43:57.725
  • TO THE UNITED STATESSUPREME COURT.
  • 00:43:57.825 --> 00:43:59.960
  • THIS IS A LONG BATTLE, BUTWE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
  • 00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:03.030
  • NEVER RETURN TO THESEUNCONSTITUTIONAL
  • 00:44:03.130 --> 00:44:05.999
  • RESTRICTIONS AGAIN.
  • 00:44:06.100 --> 00:44:07.835
  • - ANDREW, MATT, THANKYOU FOR BEING WITH US.
  • 00:44:07.935 --> 00:44:10.704
  • - THE CITY OF SEATTLEACCUSED OF DISCRIMINATION
  • 00:44:10.804 --> 00:44:12.806
  • FOR CLOSING A PARK AHEADOF A PLANNED PRAYER RALLY
  • 00:44:12.906 --> 00:44:15.609
  • DESPITE PROTESTS THATCONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
  • 00:44:15.709 --> 00:44:17.845
  • BUT THE SHOW DOWN DIDN'TSTOP THE PRAYER RALLY, WHICH
  • 00:44:17.945 --> 00:44:20.647
  • WAS HELD IN THE STREET.
  • 00:44:20.748 --> 00:44:22.483
  • ♪ OPEN UP THE DOORS ANDLET THAT MUSIC PLAY...
  • 00:44:22.583 --> 00:44:30.824
  • ♪ LET THE STREETS RESOUNDWITH SINGING...
  • 00:44:30.924 --> 00:44:39.967
  • - IT'S THE HEIGHT OFHYPOCRISY RIGHT NOW THAT
  • 00:44:40.067 --> 00:44:42.569
  • THEY'RE LETTING THESE CITIESSUCCUMB TO RIOT AND GO
  • 00:44:42.669 --> 00:44:45.873
  • BURNING AND PILLAGING,AND YET THEY'RE
  • 00:44:45.973 --> 00:44:47.474
  • TARGETING CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:44:47.574 --> 00:44:49.309
  • ♪ WE DANCE...
  • 00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:53.747
  • - COME ON, IT'S TIME TODANCE A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
  • 00:44:53.847 --> 00:44:55.182
  • IT'S TIME TO DANCE!
  • 00:44:55.282 --> 00:44:57.518
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:44:57.618 --> 00:45:00.354
  • - WE HAVE TO RISE UP.
  • 00:45:00.454 --> 00:45:02.189
  • WE NEED BOLD AND COURAGEOUSPASTORS THAT ARE NOT ONLY
  • 00:45:02.289 --> 00:45:05.125
  • GOING TO STAND ON OURCONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO
  • 00:45:05.225 --> 00:45:07.594
  • WORSHIP, BUT THEY'RE GOINGTO STAND UP AGAINST THE
  • 00:45:07.694 --> 00:45:11.064
  • INSANITY OF THESE LAWS THATARE TARGETING THE CHURCH.
  • 00:45:11.165 --> 00:45:14.368
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:45:14.468 --> 00:45:20.841
  • - HOLD THE LINE IS ONORGANIZATION RESPONSIBLE FOR
  • 00:45:20.941 --> 00:45:23.610
  • ORCHESTRATING SOME OF THELARGEST CHRISTIAN EVENTS
  • 00:45:23.710 --> 00:45:26.413
  • ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN 2020.
  • 00:45:26.513 --> 00:45:28.615
  • DESPITE GOVERNMENT MANDATESTO STOP LARGE GATHERINGS,
  • 00:45:28.715 --> 00:45:31.985
  • THESE CONCERTS ARE REALLYWORSHIP PROTESTS HAVE TAKEN
  • 00:45:32.085 --> 00:45:35.522
  • PLACE IN CITIES LIKESACRAMENTO, SEATTLE,
  • 00:45:35.622 --> 00:45:38.659
  • PORTLAND AND OTHERS.
  • 00:45:38.759 --> 00:45:40.427
  • SEAN, THANKS FORJOINING US TONIGHT.
  • 00:45:40.527 --> 00:45:42.729
  • WE'VE HAD GREAT RESPONSEABOUT YOUR SEGMENT LAST WEEK.
  • 00:45:42.830 --> 00:45:46.033
  • WOULD YOU PLEASEGIVE US AN UPDATE.
  • 00:45:46.133 --> 00:45:48.068
  • I HEARD THAT YOU WERE INCHICAGO RIGHT AFTER WE SPOKE.
  • 00:45:48.168 --> 00:45:50.838
  • WHAT HAPPENED IN CHICAGO?
  • 00:45:50.938 --> 00:45:53.240
  • - YEAH, IT'S JUST BEENAN INCREDIBLE JOURNEY.
  • 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:56.176
  • CHICAGO WAS DEFINITELYA HIGHLIGHT FOR US.
  • 00:45:56.276 --> 00:45:59.012
  • AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOSTPOWERFUL THINGS, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:45:59.112 --> 00:46:01.515
  • SAYING THIS STATEMENT OVERAND OVER AGAIN, THE GREATER
  • 00:46:01.615 --> 00:46:04.051
  • THE RESISTANCE, THEGREATER THE BREAKTHROUGH.
  • 00:46:04.151 --> 00:46:06.286
  • AND IN CHICAGO, MAN, DID WEEXPERIENCE SOME RESISTANCE.
  • 00:46:06.386 --> 00:46:09.289
  • FROM THE MOMENT THAT WE WENTTO GO SET UP IN THE PARK --
  • 00:46:09.389 --> 00:46:11.859
  • NOW WE WERE IN SOUTHCHICAGO, WHICH IS ONE OF THE
  • 00:46:11.959 --> 00:46:14.228
  • HIGHEST MURDERRATES IN AMERICA.
  • 00:46:14.328 --> 00:46:16.163
  • IT'S BEEN RIDDLED WITH CRIMEAND REALLY INTIMIDATION AND
  • 00:46:16.263 --> 00:46:21.902
  • THE MAYOR AND THE LOCALGOVERNMENT HAS ACTUALLY
  • 00:46:22.002 --> 00:46:24.538
  • CALLED POLICE CARS TO BLOCKCHURCHES FROM EVEN GATHERING
  • 00:46:24.638 --> 00:46:27.241
  • SINCE COVID STARTED.
  • 00:46:27.341 --> 00:46:29.676
  • SO THERE'S SO MUCHRESISTANCE, AND WE CAME INTO
  • 00:46:29.776 --> 00:46:31.745
  • THE PARK THERE IN SOUTHCHICAGO, AND IMMEDIATELY
  • 00:46:31.845 --> 00:46:34.514
  • WERE MET WITH A HEAVYPOLICE PRESENCE.
  • 00:46:34.615 --> 00:46:36.783
  • WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUTONE OR TWO CARS, BUT ENTIRE
  • 00:46:36.884 --> 00:46:39.720
  • VANS FILLED WITH POLICE THATWERE CALLED TO COME AND
  • 00:46:39.820 --> 00:46:43.223
  • ESSENTIALLY GUARD EVERYENTRANCE OF THAT 100 ACRE
  • 00:46:43.323 --> 00:46:47.027
  • PARK TO MAKE SURE THAT WEDID NOT WORSHIP THERE.
  • 00:46:47.127 --> 00:46:50.497
  • - SO WHAT WAS THE FEELINGOF THE PEOPLE
  • 00:46:50.597 --> 00:46:53.233
  • WHO GATHERED THERE?
  • 00:46:53.333 --> 00:46:55.269
  • - IT WAS AMAZING WATCHINGPEOPLE STARTING TO COME INTO
  • 00:46:55.369 --> 00:46:58.772
  • THAT PARK A FEW HOURS BEFOREWE WERE EVEN SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:46:58.872 --> 00:47:02.309
  • BEGIN, AND THEY REALIZED THEPRESENCE OF THE POLICE, BUT
  • 00:47:02.409 --> 00:47:06.046
  • THEY WERE UNWILLINGTO BACK DOWN.
  • 00:47:06.146 --> 00:47:07.948
  • AND THEY WERE COMING INFROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
  • 00:47:08.048 --> 00:47:10.450
  • PEOPLE WERE COMING INFROM ACROSS THE CITY.
  • 00:47:10.550 --> 00:47:12.352
  • IT WAS A GREAT MIX OFDIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS,
  • 00:47:12.452 --> 00:47:16.323
  • DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES,DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
  • 00:47:16.423 --> 00:47:18.759
  • AND THEY CAME IN, AND THEYWERE LIKE, NO,
  • 00:47:18.859 --> 00:47:21.428
  • WE ARE GOING TO WORSHIP INTHIS PARK TONIGHT.
  • 00:47:21.528 --> 00:47:23.563
  • NOTHING'S GOINGTO HOLD US BACK.
  • 00:47:23.664 --> 00:47:25.365
  • AND REALLY, I MEAN, AS WEBEGAN TO GATHER, THE POLICE
  • 00:47:25.465 --> 00:47:28.235
  • WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO UNLOADOUR GEAR, ANY OF OUR SOUND
  • 00:47:28.335 --> 00:47:31.471
  • EQUIPMENT, ANY OF OURGENERATORS, AND THE
  • 00:47:31.571 --> 00:47:33.774
  • PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE.
  • 00:47:33.874 --> 00:47:35.375
  • THEY JUST KEPT GATHERING,THEY KEPT SINGING.
  • 00:47:35.475 --> 00:47:37.344
  • THEY ACTUALLY STARTEDOFF THE WORSHIP SINGING
  • 00:47:37.444 --> 00:47:39.980
  • ACAPELLA WITHOUT ANYBAND, IT WAS AMAZING.
  • 00:47:40.080 --> 00:47:42.783
  • WE GOT UP THERE, AND THEREWERE WELL OVER A THOUSAND
  • 00:47:42.883 --> 00:47:45.652
  • PEOPLE THAT WERECRAMMED IN TOGETHER.
  • 00:47:45.752 --> 00:47:48.088
  • WE ENDED UP USING AMEGAPHONE, A BULL HORN TO
  • 00:47:48.188 --> 00:47:50.958
  • START IT OFF WITH.
  • 00:47:51.058 --> 00:47:52.793
  • AND THEN THE POLICE, THEYWERE SO MOVED BY WHAT WE
  • 00:47:52.893 --> 00:47:55.796
  • WERE DOING THAT THEYACTUALLY ALLOWED US TO USE
  • 00:47:55.896 --> 00:47:58.265
  • THEIR LARGE MEGAPHONE.
  • 00:47:58.365 --> 00:48:01.034
  • AND WE LED WORSHIP WHILETHE POLICE WERE HOLDING A
  • 00:48:01.134 --> 00:48:02.903
  • MEGAPHONE, AND WE WERESINGING THROUGH IT.
  • 00:48:03.003 --> 00:48:05.105
  • IT WAS A PROFOUND MOMENT.
  • 00:48:05.205 --> 00:48:06.807
  • PEOPLE GOT HEALED, THEY GOTSAVED, THEY GOT DELIVERED.
  • 00:48:06.907 --> 00:48:08.875
  • WE HAD A PICKUP TRUCK THATPULLED UP BECAUSE, AGAIN,
  • 00:48:08.976 --> 00:48:12.379
  • WE COULDN'T UNLOADANYTHING ON THE GROUND.
  • 00:48:12.479 --> 00:48:14.348
  • WE HAD A PICKUP TRUCK THATHAD A BAPTISMAL IN THE BACK
  • 00:48:14.448 --> 00:48:17.050
  • OF IT, IN THE TRUCK BED.
  • 00:48:17.150 --> 00:48:19.219
  • WE STARTED BAPTIZING PEOPLE,AND WE ENDED THE WHOLE NIGHT
  • 00:48:19.319 --> 00:48:22.322
  • WITH A THOUSAND PEOPLEMARCHING THROUGH THE STREETS
  • 00:48:22.422 --> 00:48:26.059
  • OF SOUTH CHICAGO SINGINGPRAISE TO JESUS.
  • 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.862
  • SOME OF THE WORST CRIME,MURDER RATE STREETS IN
  • 00:48:28.962 --> 00:48:33.667
  • AMERICA, THAT NIGHT, THEYHEARD NOTHING BUT THE SOUND
  • 00:48:33.767 --> 00:48:36.203
  • OF THE CHURCH ROARING HERPRAISE. IT WAS UNREAL.
  • 00:48:36.303 --> 00:48:40.474
  • - UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:48:40.574 --> 00:48:42.209
  • LISTEN, I ALSO HEARD THAT INPALM BEACH YOU DID HAVE A
  • 00:48:42.309 --> 00:48:45.178
  • PERMIT TO GATHER, BUT THENTHE CITY CLOSED THE
  • 00:48:45.278 --> 00:48:48.248
  • STAGE ON YOU THAT NIGHT.WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:48:48.348 --> 00:48:51.418
  • - WHEN WE ARRIVED IN PALMBEACH, WE KNEW THAT
  • 00:48:51.518 --> 00:48:53.920
  • WE HAD A STAGE.
  • 00:48:54.021 --> 00:48:55.622
  • WE WERE COMING OFF TWOAMAZING NIGHTS IN ORLANDO
  • 00:48:55.722 --> 00:48:59.026
  • WHERE WE WORSHIPPED IN THERAIN AND IN TAMPA WHERE GOD
  • 00:48:59.126 --> 00:49:01.361
  • JUST SHOWED UP ININCREDIBLE WAYS.
  • 00:49:01.461 --> 00:49:03.830
  • AND SO WE WERE RIDING THATHIGH, AND WE SHOWED UP, AND
  • 00:49:03.930 --> 00:49:07.134
  • SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY HEARDTHAT WE WERE COMING, AND
  • 00:49:07.234 --> 00:49:10.170
  • THEY ENDED UP BLOCKING OFFTHE AMPHITHEATER, SO WE DID
  • 00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:13.507
  • NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THESTAGE AND THE AMPHITHEATER.
  • 00:49:13.607 --> 00:49:16.043
  • AND THEY HAD SIGNS UP ANDBARRICADES, WHICH, AT THIS
  • 00:49:16.143 --> 00:49:19.613
  • POINT, YOU JUST SMILE ANDEXPECT IT, AND YOU KNOW,
  • 00:49:19.713 --> 00:49:23.617
  • LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE WOULDHAVE LOVED TO HAVE SET UP
  • 00:49:23.717 --> 00:49:26.153
  • ON THE STAGE, BUT WE'REGOING TO SET UP ON THE
  • 00:49:26.253 --> 00:49:28.021
  • GROUND, AND IT'S REALLY NOTGOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING.
  • 00:49:28.121 --> 00:49:30.157
  • WE'RE STILL GOINGTO LOVE THE LORD.
  • 00:49:30.257 --> 00:49:31.858
  • IF ANYTHING, IT GETS US MOREFIRED UP THAT GOD'S GOING TO
  • 00:49:31.958 --> 00:49:34.061
  • SHOW UP AND DOINCREDIBLE THINGS.
  • 00:49:34.161 --> 00:49:36.830
  • - SEAN, AS YOU'RE DOINGTHIS ALL ACROSS AMERICA,
  • 00:49:36.930 --> 00:49:39.533
  • YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLECITIES AND MULTIPLE CITY
  • 00:49:39.633 --> 00:49:43.203
  • OFFICIALS, AREYOU GETTING FINED?
  • 00:49:43.303 --> 00:49:46.139
  • ARE THERE OTHER RESTRICTIONSBEING PLACED
  • 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.075
  • ON YOUR GATHERINGS?
  • 00:49:48.175 --> 00:49:49.843
  • HOW ARE YOU HANDLINGALL OF THIS?
  • 00:49:49.943 --> 00:49:51.578
  • - ALMOST EVERY CITY THAT WEGO AND VISIT, THERE'S SOME
  • 00:49:51.678 --> 00:49:54.314
  • FORM OF RESISTANCE.
  • 00:49:54.414 --> 00:49:56.349
  • IF IT'S NOT THE POLICE,SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY A
  • 00:49:56.450 --> 00:49:59.519
  • GODLESS POLITICIAN OR MAYORTHAT JUST HAS -- THAT JUST
  • 00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:03.490
  • WANTS TO GO AGAINST THECHURCH AND SILENCE THE CHURCH.
  • 00:50:03.590 --> 00:50:05.392
  • WE'VE HAD MANY TIMESPOLICE PRESENCE.
  • 00:50:05.492 --> 00:50:09.696
  • THEY'LL COME.
  • 00:50:09.796 --> 00:50:11.331
  • USUALLY, WE END UP WINNINGOVER THE HEARTS OF THE
  • 00:50:11.431 --> 00:50:13.100
  • POLICE BECAUSE THEY'RESO EXCITED ONCE WE START
  • 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:15.502
  • PRAYING FOR THEM ANDPROPHESYING OVER THEM.
  • 00:50:15.602 --> 00:50:17.804
  • BUT WE HAVE -- I THINK ITWAS CLEVELAND, OHIO, WE DID
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  • GET A CITATION AND A FINE,AND WE HAVE THREATS OF
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  • FINES THAT ARE COMING FROMOTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE
  • 00:50:24.177 --> 00:50:26.480
  • ALREADY BEEN TO, INCLUDINGWEST PALM BEACH.
  • 00:50:26.580 --> 00:50:28.849
  • BUT YOU KNOW, THE COURAGEOF THE CHURCH IS ASTOUNDING
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  • RIGHT NOW, AND I BELIEVETHAT WE'RE STARTING TO FEEL
  • 00:50:33.987 --> 00:50:38.325
  • A MOMENTUM IN SOME OF THESECITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST
  • 00:50:38.425 --> 00:50:41.661
  • EXPECTING THAT WE'RE NOTGOING TO BACK DOWN, SO WE'RE
  • 00:50:41.761 --> 00:50:44.231
  • ACTUALLY STARTING TO FACELESS AND LESS RESISTANCE, I
  • 00:50:44.331 --> 00:50:47.033
  • BELIEVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOWTHEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
  • 00:50:47.134 --> 00:50:50.103
  • TO STOP THE CHURCH.
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  • - OKAY, SEAN, BUT IT SOUNDSTO ME LIKE YOU AREN'T
  • 00:50:51.838 --> 00:50:54.141
  • STOPPING NO MATTER WHAT.
  • 00:50:54.241 --> 00:50:56.510
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO OTHERPASTORS AND CHRISTIAN
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  • LEADERS ACROSSAMERICA RIGHT NOW?
  • 00:50:59.613 --> 00:51:02.115
  • - MY ENCOURAGEMENT TOPASTORS AND LEADERS ACROSS
  • 00:51:02.215 --> 00:51:05.152
  • AMERICA RIGHT NOW WOULD BE IBELIEVE THIS IS AN
  • 00:51:05.252 --> 00:51:08.221
  • HOUR OF COURAGE.
  • 00:51:08.321 --> 00:51:10.056
  • I BELIEVE THIS IS A SEASONWHERE WE ARE IN A LEADERSHIP
  • 00:51:10.157 --> 00:51:12.893
  • VACUUM RIGHT NOW, AND PEOPLEARE LOOKING FOR LEADERS THAT
  • 00:51:12.993 --> 00:51:17.030
  • CARRY PASSION AND BOLDNESSAND VISION
  • 00:51:17.130 --> 00:51:19.900
  • FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING.
  • 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.835
  • THERE'S SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY.
  • 00:51:21.935 --> 00:51:23.570
  • OF COURSE, WE'RE UNTIL THEMIDDLE OF AN ELECTION YEAR
  • 00:51:23.670 --> 00:51:25.605
  • AND GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND SOMANY LAYERS OF STRIFE AND
  • 00:51:25.705 --> 00:51:29.509
  • DISSENSION, AND I FEEL LIKENOW MORE THAN EVER THE
  • 00:51:29.609 --> 00:51:32.612
  • CHURCH NEED LEADERS THAT AREGOING TO SAY THIS IS
  • 00:51:32.712 --> 00:51:34.614
  • WHAT WE STAND FOR.
  • 00:51:34.714 --> 00:51:36.416
  • FOR 2.000 YEAR, THE CHURCHOF JESUS CHRIST HAS
  • 00:51:36.516 --> 00:51:39.186
  • WORSHIPPED THROUGH PANDEMIC,THROUGH PERSECUTION, THROUGH
  • 00:51:39.286 --> 00:51:42.956
  • RESISTANCE, AND WE ARE NOTABOUT TO STOP NOW IN 2020.
  • 00:51:43.056 --> 00:51:47.961
  • - THANKS SO MUCH, SEAN.
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  • YOU KEEP GOING. WE'REPRAYING FOR YOU.
  • 00:51:49.896 --> 00:51:51.598
  • HOLD THE LINE IS HAVING ALARGE "LET US WORSHIP" EVENT
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  • IN WASHINGTON D.C. ONSUNDAY OCTOBER 25TH.
  • 00:51:54.234 --> 00:51:57.904
  • HERE'S MOREABOUT THAT EVENT.
  • 00:51:58.004 --> 00:52:00.974
  • - SEAN FEUCHT AND IT ALLLEADS UP TO THIS...
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  • THE NATION'S CAPITOL,WASHINGTON D.C., THE
  • 00:52:04.945 --> 00:52:08.748
  • EPICENTER OF GOVERNMENT THATAFFECTS EVERY
  • 00:52:08.848 --> 00:52:11.451
  • NATION ON THE EARTH.
  • 00:52:11.551 --> 00:52:13.887
  • ON OCTOBER 25TH, THOUSANDSWILL CONVERGE ON THIS CITY
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  • FOR A HOLY GATHERING THATWILL BE A TIPPING POINT FOR
  • 00:52:20.327 --> 00:52:25.398
  • REVIVAL IN AMERICA.
  • 00:52:25.498 --> 00:52:27.901
  • WE ARE COMINGWITH OUR SONGS.
  • 00:52:28.001 --> 00:52:29.869
  • WE ARE COMINGWITH OUR PRAYERS.
  • 00:52:29.970 --> 00:52:31.638
  • AND WE ARE COMING WITH ADREAM THAT THIS COULD BE THE
  • 00:52:31.738 --> 00:52:34.975
  • GREATEST HOUR OF REVIVAL INTHE HISTORY OF OUR NATION.
  • 00:52:35.075 --> 00:52:38.712
  • DON'T MISS IT.
  • 00:52:38.812 --> 00:52:41.381
  • BE THERE, OCTOBER 25TH,THE NATION'S CAPITOL.
  • 00:52:41.481 --> 00:52:45.518
  • LET US WORSHIP.
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  • - WITH RISE UP WITHCOURAGE, I LIKE THAT A LOT.
  • 00:53:02.902 --> 00:53:05.438
  • WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
  • 00:53:05.538 --> 00:53:08.708
  • - WELL, THIS IS REALLY THETAME FOR THE CHURCH TO RISE
  • 00:53:08.808 --> 00:53:11.478
  • UP, AND I ENCOURAGE THEPASTORS TO BE SHEPHERDS OF
  • 00:53:11.578 --> 00:53:13.947
  • THE FLOCKS, AND SOMANY OF THEM ARE.
  • 00:53:14.047 --> 00:53:16.750
  • WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITYTO BE BLESSED BY SO MANY
  • 00:53:16.850 --> 00:53:19.953
  • TONIGHT AND PEOPLETHAT WE WORK WITH.
  • 00:53:20.053 --> 00:53:22.622
  • AND THERE'S CHURCHES ANDPASTORS ALL OVER THE
  • 00:53:22.722 --> 00:53:25.692
  • COUNTRY, BUT THERE'SHURTING PEOPLE.
  • 00:53:25.792 --> 00:53:27.627
  • I WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK BEYONDWHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GET
  • 00:53:27.727 --> 00:53:29.963
  • CHURCH ON THEIR I-PADOR THEIR CELL PHONE.
  • 00:53:30.063 --> 00:53:32.866
  • LOOK BEYOND TO THEHURTING PEOPLE.
  • 00:53:32.966 --> 00:53:35.402
  • YOU CAN'T JUST SIMPLY CLOSETHE DOORS AND SHUT OFF THE
  • 00:53:35.502 --> 00:53:38.371
  • LIGHTS AND GO TO A POD CAST,IN MANY CASES;
  • 00:53:38.471 --> 00:53:40.740
  • THAT THE CHURCH IS MORE.
  • 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:42.876
  • THE CHURCH HAS TO BE SOESSENTIAL AND SO IMPACTFUL
  • 00:53:42.976 --> 00:53:46.680
  • TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WHENTHE DOORS ARE CLOSED AND THE
  • 00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:49.482
  • LIGHTS ARE OFF, THECOMMUNITY GROANS
  • 00:53:49.582 --> 00:53:51.851
  • IN ITS ABSENCE.
  • 00:53:51.951 --> 00:53:53.753
  • YOU KNOW, JESUS SAID INMATTHEW 22:21, "GIVE TO
  • 00:53:53.853 --> 00:53:56.423
  • CAESAR WHAT BELONGS TOCAESAR AND TO GOD WHAT
  • 00:53:56.523 --> 00:53:58.925
  • BELONGS TO GOD." THE CHURCHDOES NOT BELONG TO CAESAR.
  • 00:53:59.025 --> 00:54:02.128
  • THESE GOVERNORS DON'THAVE THE AUTHORITY,
  • 00:54:02.228 --> 00:54:06.199
  • CONSTITUTIONALLY ORHISTORICALLY, BIBLICALLY, TO
  • 00:54:06.299 --> 00:54:08.668
  • STOP WORSHIP, TOMICRO MANAGE WORSHIP AND
  • 00:54:08.768 --> 00:54:11.071
  • TO CRUSH THE CHURCH.
  • 00:54:11.171 --> 00:54:13.006
  • AND BY THE WAY, THE CHURCHWILL NOT BE CRUSHED.
  • 00:54:13.106 --> 00:54:15.442
  • THE CHURCH IS ALIVE ANDWELL, AND WE SAW THAT WITH
  • 00:54:15.542 --> 00:54:17.977
  • SOME OF THESE CLIPS TODAY.
  • 00:54:18.078 --> 00:54:20.180
  • IT'S VERY ENCOURAGING TOSEE HOW GOD IS MOVING IN
  • 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.449
  • AMERICA, AND THESE AREEXCITING TIMES FOR ALL OF US.
  • 00:54:22.549 --> 00:54:25.452
  • - YOU KNOW, MATT, I WASREALLY STRUCK WITH THE
  • 00:54:25.552 --> 00:54:29.723
  • THOUGHT HOW THE PASTORSSHARED WITH US HOW THEY HAD
  • 00:54:29.823 --> 00:54:33.493
  • STOPPED EVEN THE SMALLGROUPS FROM MEETING, THOSE
  • 00:54:33.593 --> 00:54:35.862
  • WHO ARE GOING THROUGHADDICTION CRISIS AND THOSE
  • 00:54:35.962 --> 00:54:38.665
  • WHO ARE DEALING WITHJUST BASIC HUMAN NEEDS.
  • 00:54:38.765 --> 00:54:41.000
  • THE SUICIDE RATEHAS INCREASED.
  • 00:54:41.101 --> 00:54:43.002
  • THE CHURCH IS MOREESSENTIAL THAN EVER.
  • 00:54:43.103 --> 00:54:45.372
  • WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO RIGHT NOWWHO FEEL THAT THEIR RIGHTS
  • 00:54:45.472 --> 00:54:48.608
  • ARE BEING VIOLATED?
  • 00:54:48.708 --> 00:54:50.944
  • - WELL, THEY CANCONTACT LIBERTY COUNSEL.
  • 00:54:51.044 --> 00:54:53.646
  • OUR WEB SITE IS:
  • 00:54:53.747 --> 00:54:57.817
  • WE WORK WITH PASTORS ANDCHURCHES AND
  • 00:54:57.917 --> 00:54:59.552
  • PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:54:59.652 --> 00:55:01.087
  • WE'RE WORKING WITH ABOUT2.000 IN 44 STATES.
  • 00:55:01.187 --> 00:55:03.156
  • SO CONTACT US, AND WE'LL BEABLE TO HELP MOVE FORWARD TO
  • 00:55:03.256 --> 00:55:06.926
  • OPEN THE DOORS OF THE CHURCHAND FOR THE
  • 00:55:07.026 --> 00:55:09.095
  • OPPORTUNITY TO WORSHIP.
  • 00:55:09.195 --> 00:55:11.698
  • - THANK YOU SO MUCHFOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
  • 00:55:11.798 --> 00:55:13.666
  • I TRULY PRAY THAT THISSPECIAL HAS BROUGHT
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  • INFORMATION ANDENCOURAGEMENT.
  • 00:55:16.202 --> 00:55:18.471
  • AS WE FACE THIS DIFFICULTTIME, IT'S OUR HEART'S
  • 00:55:18.571 --> 00:55:21.841
  • DESIRE AT TBN TO UNIFY ANDSUPPORT THE BODY OF CHRIST,
  • 00:55:21.941 --> 00:55:24.744
  • NOT JUST HERE IN THE UNITEDSTATES,
  • 00:55:24.844 --> 00:55:27.213
  • BUT AROUND THE GLOBE.
  • 00:55:27.313 --> 00:55:28.982
  • WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATEYOU ON THESE STORIES
  • 00:55:29.082 --> 00:55:31.084
  • AS THEY DEVELOP.
  • 00:55:31.184 --> 00:55:32.919
  • AGAIN, THANK YOUFOR JOINING US.
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  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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