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Praise | Robert Morris | 5/20/19

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Announcer] Tonight on Praise.
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  • From Los Angeles Senior Pastor of Gateway Church,
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  • Author of the Blessed Life, Pastor Robert Morris.
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  • And now Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - We welcome you, right here to Praise.
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  • We are in Southern California.
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  • We are not in South Texas.
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  • - [Robert] That's correct.
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  • - With you, Dallas Texas.
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  • Beyond Blessed, what are we unpacking today,
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  • the subject matter of today's broadcast?
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  • - Well years ago about 16 or 17 years ago now
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  • I wrote a book called The Blessed Life.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - That book I don't want to exaggerate
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  • to say it's gone around the world,
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  • but it's in 40 something languages,
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  • it's textbooks in some seminaries and universities.
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  • It's about giving and generosity.
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  • It's sold millions of copies and
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  • God did something in the hearts of the body of Christ.
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  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
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  • - With that book on generosity and giving.
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  • And he did something in your parents' hearts
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  • with that book and in your heart with that book
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  • and so the same thing, so for years
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  • I've wanted to write a sequel to The Blessed Life.
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  • - Okay.
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  • - Beyond Blessed is the sequel.
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  • It is the companion book for The Blessed Life.
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  • - Got it, so if you're watching the very first broadcast
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  • - And you didn't say it but I'll say it.
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  • Blessed Life has gone around the world.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - And we hear about it everywhere we go
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  • and we love you.
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  • - Oh thank you.
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  • - [Laurie] Pastor Morris is our pastor.
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  • He gives us the what for every time we see him.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - Well mainly I give it to Matt,
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  • but every now and then.
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  • - [Matt] Yeah.
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  • - [Robert] You know you get included.
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  • - Yeah, I just got out of one of those.
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  • - Yeah, so what we're talking about, Beyond Blessed,
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  • is companion to The Blessed Life?
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  • - [Robert] Yes.
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  • - Okay, so let--
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  • - Well what's different about this book
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  • and The Blessed Life?
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  • What's the difference between the two books?
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  • - Okay so The Blessed Life was written
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  • because James Robison, who's also a member of our church
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  • and is on TV in here also,
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  • he came to me and said would you write a book on giving.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - Because your teaching on giving
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  • is the most balanced teaching I've ever heard.
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  • That in essence is what your dad said to you.
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  • - Correct.
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  • - Before he passed away.
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  • - Correct.
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  • - So because The Blessed Life I teach
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  • that we don't give to get, we get to give,
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  • that we give to give,
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  • and it is not that give to get, give and you'll get,
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  • it is, and I don't believe God even rewards that.
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  • I really don't because I believe God rewards
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  • the motive of the heart.
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  • So when we, you think about your children,
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  • you're trying to teach them to share,
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  • you're trying to change their character
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  • and so if they share with a bad attitude
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  • that wouldn't be what you want to reward,
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  • you want to reward them
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  • when they share with a good attitude.
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  • - [Matt] Right.
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  • - When you see a work in their heart.
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  • So that's what The Blessed Life is about.
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  • It is about heart giving, giving from the heart,
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  • giving for the right reason, the right motivation.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - So I wrote that book and we self published it at first.
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  • It sold 250.000 copies self published.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - Before we could even get it to a publisher.
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  • - [Laurie] Wow.
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  • - And then it just took off from there
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  • in multiple languages and all the things.
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  • And one of the reasons I think it took off
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  • is because that's who we really are,
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  • we're born selfish, we're born again generous.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - We are born again like God
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  • and God so loved the world that he gave.
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  • So God loves to give, he loves to give.
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  • And then when we give, even the world talks about it.
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  • They say the joy of Christmas is giving,
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  • not getting, not receiving.
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  • So I think it touched a cord in everyone's heart
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  • and people began to give.
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  • But then I started getting letters and emails and all,
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  • people saying Pastor Robert I'm giving,
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  • but I still have credit card debt,
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  • I'm giving but I can't pay my bills
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  • and for me those two are not the same thing.
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  • One is called stewardship in the bible.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - And that's kind of a bad word,
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  • it's become a bad word somewhat
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  • because when the pastor preaches a stewardship series
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  • it's normally a capital campaign to raise money.
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - Or he has a stewardship message once a year,
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  • but stewardship is about every area of our life.
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  • You know you are not your own.
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  • You are bought with a price.
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  • - Right.
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  • - You steward your life, you steward your gifts,
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  • you steward your talents, you steward your abilities.
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  • You know that's what we do, we steward.
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  • Okay, so Beyond Blessed,
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  • let's put it this way The Blessed Life,
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  • I didn't write the blessed checkbook
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  • or the blessed wallet.
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  • - [Laurie] Right.
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  • - That's not what it's about.
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  • - [Matt] Right.
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  • - It's your life, your marriage, your family,
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  • your kids, grandkids, everything, it's about your life.
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  • A life walks on two legs.
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  • So one of those legs is generosity,
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  • the other leg is stewardship.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - Beyond Blessed is about stewardship
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  • and how to steward, not just our finances but our life.
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  • I can remember an old cartoon,
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  • and I don't even remember what it was,
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  • I just remember this picture.
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  • It's like they had nailed this guy's shoe to the floor.
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  • - [Matt] Okay.
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  • - And he was just going around in circles.
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - That's what I think it's like
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  • if you're simply a generous person,
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  • but you don't steward what God gives you.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - You just go around in circles.
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - On the other hand if you're a good steward,
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  • which we call tight sometimes.
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  • (laughing)
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  • If you're a good steward, but you don't give
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  • you just go around in circles.
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  • So in order to really live the blessed life
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  • we've got to be generous,
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  • but then God's gonna give us more,
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  • then we got to steward that well,
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  • and then he gives us more, then we steward that well.
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  • And like Gateway Church now, as you know,
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  • we've never passed the offering plate one time,
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  • but we give over 20 million dollars a year to missions.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - But you have to be a good steward.
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  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
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  • - To be able to do that.
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  • We're rebuilding churches right now
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  • in Syria that Isis tore town.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - At the cost of about a million dollars.
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  • But how do you give a million dollars
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  • if you don't have a million dollars?
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  • So this book to me is a key
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  • because people are living in credit card debt,
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  • they're living with bills that they can't pay,
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  • they're living above their means
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  • and I really believe that if they understand
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  • the principles that are in the bible
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  • about stewardship it changes everything.
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  • The subtitle is God's perfect plan
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  • for no financial stress.
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  • - [Matt] Got it.
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  • - Most people live with a lot of financial stress.
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  • It causes divorce, it causes health problems.
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  • Can you imagine living with no financial stress
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  • and that's the way God geared us to live.
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  • - Wow, wow, wow, wow, beautiful.
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  • - You have a lot of teaching to do today.
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  • - Yeah, so first of all let me just say,
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  • that was really well done.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Okay, that was super clear.
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  • I get what Beyond Blessed, kind of a stewardship book,
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  • The Blessed Life was kind of a generosity book.
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  • That was really your own personal journey,
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  • your own personal testimony,
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  • but without stewardship you might just
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  • be going around in a generosity circle.
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  • I get it, love it.
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  • This book is coming out soon, pre-order it now.
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  • but I want to circle back just a touch
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  • to The Blessed Life again
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  • because you mentioned it, you touched on it.
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  • But let's just be honest here for a little bit
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  • and rebuild and say that it feels like
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  • you know in the you know mid 2000s
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  • it felt like giving was out of balance.
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  • - [Robert] Yeah.
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  • - My dad came to Laurie and I
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  • and a lot of times with my boys present Caylan and Cody,
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  • and especially in the last six months of his life.
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  • For those that have experienced the loss of a parent
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  • congestive heart failure is kind of a gift to your family
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  • if someone's gonna go because
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  • all it really was for my dad was just kind of dialing down
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  • like you take, you know a rheostat
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  • and just kind of just slowly his energy level just declined.
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  • Well he knew he was going.
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  • He was certainly you know whenever we'd tell him
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  • to eat better or try to extend his life
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  • he's going come on I'm almost 80 years old
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  • and what are you trying to scare me with heaven.
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  • (laughing)
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  • He was very unmotivated to do anything better
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  • and sure enough he's gone.
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  • I was with my dad and my boys and Laurie of course
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  • were with my dad almost everyday
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  • of the last six months of his life, almost everyday,
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  • and he spent a lot of those days
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  • very carefully and meticulously unpacking some things.
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  • One of the things that he unpacked Robert was you.
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  • He came to us as a family and said
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  • I've gotten a hold, and oberts
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  • and get this teaching and help him get this message out
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  • to our audience and anything we can do
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  • to help Robert push the message out any farther,
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  • that we can do to be a part of that
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  • because a lot of the teaching
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  • in Christian had crossed a line.
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  • My dad used that exact term, has crossed a line.
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  • Let's get it back, get Robert Morris.
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  • What happened in that period of time
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  • and what did he mean by crossing a line
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  • and what have we done to get it back?
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  • - Yeah, well so let me back up a little in our life.
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  • I got saved in 1981
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  • and then when, I was making 600 dollars a month
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  • when I got saved
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  • so I was really raking it in, that shows,
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  • I mean I have a lot of ability on my own without the Lord.
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  • (laughing)
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  • But Debbie and I, I wanted to witness
  • 00:11:44.030 --> 00:11:46.130
  • to everyone that I could find, everyone,
  • 00:11:46.130 --> 00:11:48.200
  • I just wanted to tell everyone about Jesus,
  • 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.260
  • but, this is going to sound crazy I was afraid to talk.
  • 00:11:50.260 --> 00:11:55.160
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:11:55.160 --> 00:11:56.220
  • - [Laurie] That doesn't sound crazy.
  • 00:11:56.220 --> 00:11:57.280
  • - Yeah, and so I would get these little,
  • 00:11:57.280 --> 00:11:58.260
  • we called them tracts you know.
  • 00:11:58.260 --> 00:11:59.160
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:11:59.160 --> 00:12:00.260
  • - And of course to me tracts were different.
  • 00:12:00.260 --> 00:12:02.110
  • Tracts were stuff that you tried to hide from the police.
  • 00:12:02.110 --> 00:12:05.000
  • (laughing)
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  • Show on your arms you know,
  • 00:12:05.280 --> 00:12:07.050
  • but I wanted, they told the gospel
  • 00:12:07.050 --> 00:12:09.000
  • and there was this waitress that would work,
  • 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.240
  • we would go out to eat once a month Debbie and I
  • 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.090
  • and we would share a meal,
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  • that was all we could afford.
  • 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.040
  • And I wanted to get her to read a tract
  • 00:12:17.040 --> 00:12:19.020
  • so I left this tract with the normal tip.
  • 00:12:19.020 --> 00:12:22.030
  • We went back the next month, she didn't say anything.
  • 00:12:22.030 --> 00:12:24.160
  • And so I told Debbie I want to bless her somehow
  • 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:27.220
  • and so we left a 20 dollar bill
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  • and we went back the next month
  • 00:12:29.290 --> 00:12:31.120
  • she didn't say anything about reading the tract
  • 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.290
  • and I said I just want to bless her,
  • 00:12:32.290 --> 00:12:34.140
  • but I didn't want to get her just to read the tract,
  • 00:12:34.140 --> 00:12:36.050
  • I wanted to bless her to get her
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  • to enter a relationship with Jesus obviously,
  • 00:12:37.290 --> 00:12:40.070
  • but I also wanted to just help her you know.
  • 00:12:40.070 --> 00:12:42.160
  • I figured she was a single mom
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  • and she was trying to make ends meet
  • 00:12:44.110 --> 00:12:46.140
  • so again at 600 dollars a month we saved and saved
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  • and we left a 50 dollar tip that time
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  • and when we came back she said I read that little book
  • 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.070
  • you left and I prayed the prayer at the end
  • 00:12:57.070 --> 00:13:00.090
  • and I called my husband on the phone and read it to him
  • 00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:02.270
  • and he prayed the prayer.
  • 00:13:02.270 --> 00:13:04.210
  • And I said, so we got talking and I said
  • 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.280
  • well you said you called your husband,
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  • was he at home or at work
  • 00:13:08.150 --> 00:13:09.280
  • and she put her head down and she said
  • 00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:13.150
  • he's in prison, but a few years later he got out
  • 00:13:13.150 --> 00:13:18.060
  • and we saw them baptized together.
  • 00:13:18.060 --> 00:13:20.220
  • - [Matt] Wow, beautiful.
  • 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:22.130
  • - But that was my start of giving.
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  • I was giving to bless her and out of my generosity
  • 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:29.220
  • she was opened to the gospel.
  • 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:31.200
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.040
  • - And then almost immediately I remember I got a raise.
  • 00:13:33.040 --> 00:13:36.100
  • I went from 600 a month to 800 a month,
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  • that's a 25 percent raise, or 33 percent.
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  • Okay, let me figure my math out right.
  • 00:13:40.180 --> 00:13:43.050
  • But I remember, this is what my boss said to me,
  • 00:13:43.050 --> 00:13:45.010
  • he said God told me to give you this raise.
  • 00:13:45.010 --> 00:13:49.290
  • And I remember he looked at me and said
  • 00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:52.260
  • otherwise I would not give you this raise.
  • 00:13:52.260 --> 00:13:55.010
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:13:55.010 --> 00:13:56.020
  • (laughing)
  • 00:13:56.020 --> 00:13:57.080
  • - So it was a good thing he was a Christian.
  • 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:58.280
  • But immediately God blessed me
  • 00:14:00.090 --> 00:14:02.150
  • and I didn't see it like okay great I've got more money,
  • 00:14:02.150 --> 00:14:05.240
  • I thought I can do more now,
  • 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.240
  • I can help someone else.
  • 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.030
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:14:09.030 --> 00:14:10.100
  • - And so we kept giving and giving.
  • 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:11.160
  • And so The Blessed Life again was written
  • 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:13.020
  • about 2001 or 2002, but this started in about 1982 or 83.
  • 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:17.200
  • - [Matt] Got it.
  • 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:18.260
  • - So we just kept giving and then eventually
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  • we were able to give a car to a single mom
  • 00:14:20.190 --> 00:14:22.200
  • and then eventually we gave our house
  • 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.160
  • to a pastor that had five kids that didn't have a house.
  • 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:27.110
  • But the more we gave the more God blessed us.
  • 00:14:27.110 --> 00:14:30.010
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:14:30.010 --> 00:14:31.070
  • - That's what James was referring to
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  • because I wanted to give just to help people,
  • 00:14:32.130 --> 00:14:36.060
  • but I didn't give to get something back.
  • 00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:38.210
  • And that's what got turned around
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  • because it is true that God rewards us.
  • 00:14:40.160 --> 00:14:43.070
  • God is a rewarder, Hebrews 11,
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  • but he rewards us when he can do a work in our hearts
  • 00:14:46.020 --> 00:14:49.190
  • and so it got turned around in the body of Christ
  • 00:14:49.190 --> 00:14:51.230
  • and probably some well meaning preachers and pastors
  • 00:14:51.230 --> 00:14:54.220
  • wanted people to know listen if you'll be generous
  • 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:57.040
  • God will bless you, but pretty soon that became the motive
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  • and all of a sudden Luke 6:38,
  • 00:15:00.140 --> 00:15:02.200
  • give and it will be given to you
  • 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.270
  • was preached as the motive of giving
  • 00:15:03.270 --> 00:15:06.000
  • instead of the reward of giving.
  • 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.210
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:15:07.210 --> 00:15:08.290
  • - You know, when you back up you find out
  • 00:15:08.290 --> 00:15:10.040
  • Jesus said give to everyone who asks of you
  • 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:12.090
  • and don't expect anything back.
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  • And if they ask for your coat give them your shirt too
  • 00:15:15.180 --> 00:15:18.210
  • and his whole point was giving,
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  • just be generous to people.
  • 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:22.200
  • And so that's what happened and that's what
  • 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.180
  • your dad heard and saw and I'm excited
  • 00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:28.050
  • because to me that resonates with every Christian.
  • 00:15:28.050 --> 00:15:31.090
  • - So the line that got crossed at some point
  • 00:15:31.090 --> 00:15:34.110
  • by many was getting back from God
  • 00:15:34.110 --> 00:15:38.270
  • was the motivated for giving in the first place.
  • 00:15:38.270 --> 00:15:40.230
  • - [Robert] That's exactly right, instead of helping people.
  • 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:42.150
  • - Instead of helping people.
  • 00:15:42.150 --> 00:15:43.290
  • - Instead of loving on people and helping people
  • 00:15:43.290 --> 00:15:45.150
  • the motivation began to be what can I get out of it.
  • 00:15:45.150 --> 00:15:48.040
  • See think about this, why did God
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  • invent giving in the first place,
  • 00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:53.130
  • because God invented it.
  • 00:15:53.130 --> 00:15:55.010
  • When you go back in the bible God is the one
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  • that invented offerings, tithing, all that stuff,
  • 00:15:56.220 --> 00:15:59.070
  • God invented all of that, why'd he do it?
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  • Because he needed the money?
  • 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.270
  • No, he doesn't need the money,
  • 00:16:02.270 --> 00:16:04.120
  • it's because he invented it to work greed and selfishness
  • 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.010
  • out of our lives.
  • 00:16:08.010 --> 00:16:08.260
  • - [Matt] There you go.
  • 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:10.040
  • - What happened with the hyper prosperity gospel
  • 00:16:10.040 --> 00:16:13.140
  • was it works greed and selfishness back into our lives.
  • 00:16:13.140 --> 00:16:16.050
  • - [Laurie] Wow.
  • 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:17.120
  • - All of a sudden we're giving to get
  • 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.060
  • and so instead of giving to give
  • 00:16:19.060 --> 00:16:21.240
  • and so all of a sudden we become greedy and selfish
  • 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.160
  • and yeah I'm going to give in this offering
  • 00:16:24.160 --> 00:16:25.280
  • because I'll get something back.
  • 00:16:25.280 --> 00:16:27.090
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:16:27.090 --> 00:16:28.140
  • - That's the whole wrong motive for giving.
  • 00:16:28.140 --> 00:16:29.090
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:16:29.090 --> 00:16:30.240
  • - Well I was listening to you preach the other day
  • 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.080
  • about robbing God and how you gave 800 dollars.
  • 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:37.060
  • You know what story I'm telling about?
  • 00:16:38.110 --> 00:16:40.250
  • - [Robert] I think.
  • 00:16:40.250 --> 00:16:41.250
  • - And God said I didn't tell you.
  • 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:43.020
  • - [Robert] Yes, I remember that, yeah.
  • 00:16:43.020 --> 00:16:44.000
  • - To do that.
  • 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:44.280
  • - Yeah, yeah, because I think
  • 00:16:44.280 --> 00:16:47.050
  • we have to hear God in our giving.
  • 00:16:47.050 --> 00:16:48.280
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:50.070
  • - That's the great thing about giving
  • 00:16:50.070 --> 00:16:51.100
  • is it matures you as a believer.
  • 00:16:51.100 --> 00:16:53.200
  • You learn to hear God's voice.
  • 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.130
  • But we were in a group, a life group,
  • 00:16:55.130 --> 00:16:58.220
  • and someone was going on a short term trip
  • 00:16:58.220 --> 00:17:00.180
  • and I asked them what they needed,
  • 00:17:00.180 --> 00:17:01.270
  • they said 800 dollars.
  • 00:17:01.270 --> 00:17:03.180
  • Afterwards I got the checkbook out of the car
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  • and gave them a check for 800 dollars
  • 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.100
  • and the Lord said to me I didn't tell you to do that.
  • 00:17:07.100 --> 00:17:09.240
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:10.240
  • - And he said you just robbed me
  • 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.080
  • of the opportunity to bless some other people
  • 00:17:13.080 --> 00:17:16.010
  • because I was going to put it on
  • 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:17.120
  • so and so's heart to give 100,
  • 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:19.040
  • which was going to be a sacrifice for them
  • 00:17:19.040 --> 00:17:21.040
  • and then I was going to bless them.
  • 00:17:21.040 --> 00:17:22.180
  • I was going to put on this other couple's heart
  • 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:24.150
  • to give 50 and then I was going to bless them
  • 00:17:24.150 --> 00:17:27.030
  • with some unexpected money.
  • 00:17:27.030 --> 00:17:28.170
  • I was going to put on this other couple's heart,
  • 00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:30.130
  • but you took care of the whole thing.
  • 00:17:30.130 --> 00:17:32.160
  • - Wow.
  • 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:33.110
  • - So the Lord taught me
  • 00:17:33.110 --> 00:17:34.090
  • you don't give because of need,
  • 00:17:34.090 --> 00:17:35.260
  • you give because of his voice.
  • 00:17:35.260 --> 00:17:37.170
  • And you give what he tells you, when he tells you.
  • 00:17:37.170 --> 00:17:39.290
  • - [Laurie] Obedience.
  • 00:17:39.290 --> 00:17:40.260
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:17:40.260 --> 00:17:42.030
  • - It's obedience, it's obedience.
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:42.190
  • - Wow.
  • 00:17:42.190 --> 00:17:44.020
  • - So I think giving can change every area of your life
  • 00:17:44.020 --> 00:17:45.100
  • because it so matures you.
  • 00:17:45.100 --> 00:17:46.260
  • I mean you think about even in a marriage,
  • 00:17:46.260 --> 00:17:48.120
  • the number one reason for divorce is selfishness,
  • 00:17:48.120 --> 00:17:51.140
  • it really is selfishness.
  • 00:17:51.140 --> 00:17:52.290
  • I mean you can, all the other arguments and things
  • 00:17:52.290 --> 00:17:55.020
  • that the people go through it's hey I want what I want
  • 00:17:55.020 --> 00:17:58.120
  • and giving drives that selfishness out of your life.
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:18:01.060
  • - So how is stewarding different than giving?
  • 00:18:01.060 --> 00:18:03.270
  • - Okay, stewarding is recognizing
  • 00:18:03.270 --> 00:18:06.130
  • that it all belongs to God.
  • 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:08.130
  • All the money in my account belongs to God.
  • 00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:11.210
  • Every bit of it, 100 percent,
  • 00:18:11.210 --> 00:18:13.060
  • not just ten percent of it, 100 percent.
  • 00:18:13.060 --> 00:18:15.050
  • And so it's like he's the owner
  • 00:18:15.050 --> 00:18:17.040
  • and I'm the trustee of a trust fund, let's say.
  • 00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:20.090
  • Now mine's not that big, but it's still a trust fund.
  • 00:18:20.090 --> 00:18:22.260
  • - [Matt] Got it.
  • 00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:24.110
  • - So I'm the trustee of it, but I'm not the owner.
  • 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:26.090
  • So if someone, if a missionary or the church
  • 00:18:26.090 --> 00:18:29.230
  • or someone comes to me with a need,
  • 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:31.160
  • or even an individual,
  • 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.050
  • I have to go to the owner of the trust fund
  • 00:18:33.050 --> 00:18:35.160
  • to say what do you want me to give
  • 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.200
  • and God knows how much he wants me to give
  • 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.210
  • or if he doesn't want me to give anything
  • 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:42.070
  • because he's trying to teach that person something, see.
  • 00:18:42.070 --> 00:18:44.240
  • So that's the whole point of stewardship.
  • 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.210
  • It begins with the realization
  • 00:18:46.210 --> 00:18:48.250
  • that none of the things I have belong to me.
  • 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:51.060
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:18:51.060 --> 00:18:52.040
  • - They all belong to God.
  • 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:53.110
  • A steward by definition is someone who manages
  • 00:18:53.110 --> 00:18:56.120
  • the resources of another.
  • 00:18:56.120 --> 00:18:58.210
  • That's the definition of the word steward,
  • 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:00.160
  • someone who manages the resource of another.
  • 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.160
  • So if that's the case then what house I buy,
  • 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.060
  • what car I drive, what clothes I buy,
  • 00:19:06.060 --> 00:19:09.190
  • all are what the owner has
  • 00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:11.180
  • and then when I manage those resources
  • 00:19:11.180 --> 00:19:15.010
  • the way he wants me to and he knows that I know it's his
  • 00:19:15.010 --> 00:19:18.090
  • he could give me more and there's no limit
  • 00:19:18.090 --> 00:19:19.260
  • to how much he could give me.
  • 00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:21.020
  • He could give me hundreds of thousands
  • 00:19:21.020 --> 00:19:23.010
  • because he knows I'll manage it well you know.
  • 00:19:23.010 --> 00:19:25.180
  • And it's the same thing with giving then.
  • 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:29.050
  • Let's say God wants me to give a large gift,
  • 00:19:29.050 --> 00:19:31.240
  • but I'm just giving money all the time
  • 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.230
  • and not listening where he wants me to give.
  • 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:35.080
  • I never accumulate that, you know, into a fund
  • 00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:39.030
  • where when he says now give this large gift to help this
  • 00:19:39.030 --> 00:19:42.060
  • I wouldn't have that money there to be able to do that.
  • 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:45.060
  • - So a blessed life walks on two legs,
  • 00:19:45.060 --> 00:19:48.120
  • generosity and stewardship.
  • 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:50.200
  • - [Robert] Yes.
  • 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.010
  • - And this is the stewardship version of that.
  • 00:19:52.010 --> 00:19:55.100
  • The first book, A Blessed Life is about generosity.
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  • Pastor Robert Morris is on TBN a lot.
  • 00:20:00.010 --> 00:20:04.100
  • We hope that one day he's going to be on a lot more.
  • 00:20:04.100 --> 00:20:07.100
  • We're going to be doing some more productions
  • 00:20:07.100 --> 00:20:09.100
  • and some more really great content with him.
  • 00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:12.090
  • But for some reason some people just occasionally
  • 00:20:12.090 --> 00:20:15.180
  • get introduced to somebody, brand new, if we are
  • 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:18.090
  • watch this little bio piece.
  • 00:20:18.090 --> 00:20:19.240
  • It will tell you a lot more about Robert Morris.
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  • Watch this.
  • 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.040
  • (uplifting music)
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  • - [Announcer] If you really want to learn
  • 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:25.000
  • how to live the blessed life.
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  • Robert Morris has the answer.
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  • A gifted communicator with more than 20 years
  • 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:31.090
  • of biblical teaching Morris reaches believers
  • 00:20:31.090 --> 00:20:33.260
  • and the unchurched with his passionate, practical
  • 00:20:33.260 --> 00:20:36.230
  • and often humorous presentation.
  • 00:20:36.230 --> 00:20:38.220
  • As founding pastor of Gateway Church in Dallas Texas
  • 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:42.090
  • Morris has seen exponential growth
  • 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:44.060
  • since the inception of his multi-campus church.
  • 00:20:44.060 --> 00:20:46.250
  • From its humble beginnings in 2000
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  • the church has grown to more than 39.000 active members.
  • 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:52.170
  • Morris is featured on the daily television program
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  • The Blessed Life and serves as chairman of the board
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  • of The King's University.
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  • Best selling author of 14 books
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  • including The Blessed Life, The God I Never Knew,
  • 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.120
  • and Frequency.
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  • Robert Morris here on Praise.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - If you just tuned in we are right here
  • 00:21:10.210 --> 00:21:12.190
  • in Southern California and we are sitting
  • 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:15.210
  • with Pastor Robert Morris and Beyond Blessed,
  • 00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:19.030
  • pre-order right now.
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  • okay, so when did you become a pastor?
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  • What was that whole story and,
  • 00:21:25.080 --> 00:21:27.190
  • before we get too far into that,
  • 00:21:27.190 --> 00:21:29.220
  • your first television experience
  • 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:33.140
  • was right here in this TV studio.
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.130
  • - Yes, with your--
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  • - [Mark] Just tell that real quick.
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  • - Yes, with TBN I was, James Robison
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  • I was traveling with him.
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  • He was doing crusades back then
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  • and I would go in the schools and do like a,
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  • an assembly and it would be humorous
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  • about drugs and alcohol and things like that,
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  • things that God had delivered me from
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  • and then I would invite them to the crusade.
  • 00:21:53.100 --> 00:21:55.040
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:21:55.040 --> 00:21:56.120
  • - So your parents were televising his crusade
  • 00:21:56.120 --> 00:22:00.090
  • all around the world.
  • 00:22:00.090 --> 00:22:01.170
  • - [Matt] Right.
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:02.200
  • - In California here.
  • 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.060
  • And so they heard me share my testimony
  • 00:22:04.060 --> 00:22:07.010
  • and so they said we want you to come on and share.
  • 00:22:07.010 --> 00:22:10.220
  • And so I was about 20 years old.
  • 00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:13.060
  • - [Matt] My goodness.
  • 00:22:13.060 --> 00:22:14.120
  • - So that was
  • 00:22:14.120 --> 00:22:15.090
  • (babbling)
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  • years ago.
  • 00:22:16.040 --> 00:22:16.290
  • (laughing)
  • 00:22:16.290 --> 00:22:19.070
  • What's funny about that is I remember
  • 00:22:20.290 --> 00:22:23.110
  • that I was standing at the top of the stairs.
  • 00:22:23.110 --> 00:22:25.160
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:26.230
  • - And you would come down the stairs.
  • 00:22:26.230 --> 00:22:27.180
  • - [Matt] Oh yeah.
  • 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:28.130
  • - And I was so nervous,
  • 00:22:28.130 --> 00:22:29.210
  • you know your first time on television
  • 00:22:29.210 --> 00:22:30.290
  • I was so nervous and I was standing up there
  • 00:22:30.290 --> 00:22:33.210
  • and I just said Lord you're gonna have to help me.
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  • You're just gonna have to help me.
  • 00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:36.290
  • Well that night there weren't as many people there,
  • 00:22:36.290 --> 00:22:39.220
  • there were just a few people
  • 00:22:39.220 --> 00:22:41.070
  • cause you know when they'd advertise these guests,
  • 00:22:41.070 --> 00:22:43.080
  • well nobody knew who Robert Morris was
  • 00:22:43.080 --> 00:22:45.070
  • so there was hardly anybody there.
  • 00:22:45.070 --> 00:22:46.280
  • Well when they introduced me on the monitor
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  • I could hear a lot of people clapping.
  • 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:52.130
  • (laughing)
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  • I guess you could call it a clap.
  • 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:54.230
  • - [Laurie] Clap track.
  • 00:22:54.230 --> 00:22:56.080
  • - Track, okay, I could hear all these people clapping.
  • 00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:58.190
  • There were about four people in the audience.
  • 00:22:58.190 --> 00:23:00.060
  • (laughing)
  • 00:23:00.060 --> 00:23:01.220
  • And I got tickled and it was like the Lord said
  • 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:05.080
  • just relax, just relax you know.
  • 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:07.230
  • - Would you please clap so everyone knows
  • 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:09.220
  • there's actually somebody in here.
  • 00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:10.260
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:11.220
  • - More people, yeah.
  • 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.120
  • (laughing)
  • 00:23:14.090 --> 00:23:16.200
  • - I love that.
  • 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:17.180
  • I remember back in the day,
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  • Russ give me a super wide shot,
  • 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:20.070
  • I remember back in the day you'd have to be careful
  • 00:23:20.070 --> 00:23:23.090
  • because if you ended up catching a shot this big,
  • 00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:25.290
  • like is on the screen right now,
  • 00:23:25.290 --> 00:23:27.170
  • and you'd hear that clap track
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  • and there are no hands moving or anything.
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  • (laughing) - [Robert] That's right.
  • 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.010
  • - So if you'd clap again just to prove
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  • that we're all in here.
  • 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:34.160
  • (audience applauding)
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  • There you go, there you go.
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  • We have actual people in the studio today.
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  • - Yes.
  • 00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:40.220
  • - That is funny.
  • 00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:44.020
  • I remember back in the day you know
  • 00:23:44.020 --> 00:23:45.080
  • you'd make a mistake and there'd be--
  • 00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:46.190
  • - That was my first TV appearance.
  • 00:23:46.190 --> 00:23:48.090
  • - Yeah, so that was about 1980 what, 81?
  • 00:23:48.090 --> 00:23:52.040
  • - [Robert] Two.
  • 00:23:52.040 --> 00:23:52.290
  • - 82.
  • 00:23:52.290 --> 00:23:53.240
  • - [Robert] Probably 82.
  • 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.010
  • - Wow, right here in this studio.
  • 00:23:55.010 --> 00:23:55.290
  • - [Robert] In this studio.
  • 00:23:55.290 --> 00:23:57.140
  • - But what did the Lord spoke to you that night didn't he?
  • 00:23:57.140 --> 00:23:59.110
  • - Yes he did, the Lord he,
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  • they said look into the camera
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  • and just share the gospel,
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  • just take a moment and share the gospel
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  • and share your testimony or whatever you know.
  • 00:24:09.250 --> 00:24:12.100
  • And I was looking in the camera and sharing
  • 00:24:12.100 --> 00:24:16.000
  • and all of a sudden I realized I'm talking to people.
  • 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.040
  • I'm not talking to this camera,
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  • I'm talking to people and I'm talking to a lot of people.
  • 00:24:21.010 --> 00:24:23.270
  • And that evangelist came out in me,
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  • but the Lord said to me I'm calling you
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  • to television for the rest of your life.
  • 00:24:28.250 --> 00:24:30.270
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:24:30.270 --> 00:24:32.040
  • - For the rest of your life I want you
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  • to look into a camera and I want you
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  • to tell people about Jesus Christ.
  • 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.040
  • - [Matt] My goodness, wow.
  • 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:37.100
  • - [Laurie] Isn't that something, wow.
  • 00:24:37.100 --> 00:24:38.180
  • - And now, so now I have confidence
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  • whether it's preaching at our own church
  • 00:24:40.030 --> 00:24:41.090
  • and I know it's televised
  • 00:24:41.090 --> 00:24:42.290
  • and cameras in the sanctuary or in the studio,
  • 00:24:42.290 --> 00:24:45.140
  • I have confidence that I am called by God to do this.
  • 00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:48.250
  • - Wow.
  • 00:24:48.250 --> 00:24:50.010
  • - I'm not just doing it to do it,
  • 00:24:50.010 --> 00:24:50.290
  • but God called me to do this.
  • 00:24:50.290 --> 00:24:51.230
  • - So about 2001 or 2002,
  • 00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:55.120
  • Laurie and I made a movie called The Champion
  • 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:59.220
  • and I remember being so blown away because
  • 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:03.150
  • in the mail, unsolicited,
  • 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:05.220
  • I mean maybe somebody from my staff at the time
  • 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:08.000
  • asked you to do it, but you did the sweetest endorsement
  • 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.250
  • of that film and it came and I remember
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  • I remember being so blown away.
  • 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:16.130
  • I had no idea we had that much connection.
  • 00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:18.230
  • I didn't remember the 1982 you know, Praise,
  • 00:25:18.230 --> 00:25:23.230
  • I didn't know any of that.
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  • Meanwhile we separate, you start a church.
  • 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:28.020
  • 2000 roughly Gateway started.
  • 00:25:28.020 --> 00:25:31.020
  • How did that happen?
  • 00:25:31.020 --> 00:25:32.010
  • - Well I was associate pastor at another church
  • 00:25:33.060 --> 00:25:35.220
  • and the pastor talked to me
  • 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:37.180
  • about becoming the senior pastor one day,
  • 00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:39.200
  • which I had never thought about that in my life.
  • 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.100
  • I never thought I would be a pastor.
  • 00:25:42.100 --> 00:25:43.270
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:25:43.270 --> 00:25:45.120
  • - Because I had been an evangelist for seven years
  • 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:47.040
  • before I joined the staff of this church.
  • 00:25:47.040 --> 00:25:49.150
  • And so I thought well I'll just to back
  • 00:25:49.150 --> 00:25:51.030
  • into evangelism one day.
  • 00:25:51.030 --> 00:25:52.140
  • So when he talked to me about it
  • 00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:54.010
  • I said to the Lord is this what you have, the Lord said yes.
  • 00:25:54.010 --> 00:25:57.130
  • But it's in eight years, in eight years.
  • 00:25:57.130 --> 00:26:00.190
  • Well when eight years passed
  • 00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:02.270
  • people started to say you ought to plant a church,
  • 00:26:02.270 --> 00:26:05.280
  • you ought to plant a church
  • 00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:07.200
  • and I had this holy fear come over me
  • 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.040
  • and I thought, I told them stop talking, stop talking.
  • 00:26:10.040 --> 00:26:14.100
  • We can't talk about planting a church
  • 00:26:14.100 --> 00:26:16.060
  • because only God can initiate that.
  • 00:26:16.060 --> 00:26:18.120
  • I would have to hear God on that
  • 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:20.050
  • and I had already scheduled the next day
  • 00:26:20.050 --> 00:26:21.240
  • to go to a prayer center and spend the whole day
  • 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.230
  • praying and fasting.
  • 00:26:23.230 --> 00:26:25.100
  • So I went the next day and as I was praying
  • 00:26:25.100 --> 00:26:28.020
  • I said Lord I need to know,
  • 00:26:28.020 --> 00:26:30.080
  • are you calling me to plant a church
  • 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:32.130
  • and the Lord specifically spoke to me
  • 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:34.140
  • two passages of scripture, move to Bethel,
  • 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:37.200
  • build an altar, Genesis 35
  • 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.210
  • and I knew it, I knew God wanted me to plant a church.
  • 00:26:39.210 --> 00:26:43.100
  • And right after that and he gave me the name Gateway
  • 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:47.210
  • and so we were driving to Southlake,
  • 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:49.230
  • which back then you probably were there
  • 00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:53.080
  • some back then and that,
  • 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:54.170
  • it was like a rural community.
  • 00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:56.150
  • - [Matt] Sure, sure.
  • 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:58.030
  • - No shopping centers, no restaurants, no nothing you know.
  • 00:26:58.030 --> 00:26:59.250
  • And so I told Debbie, we were taking the exit
  • 00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:03.270
  • to enter Southlake city limits and I said
  • 00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:06.160
  • hey by the way God gave me the name of the church
  • 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.150
  • and she said really and I said Gateway
  • 00:27:09.150 --> 00:27:12.070
  • and there was this huge sign, I mean huge
  • 00:27:12.070 --> 00:27:15.080
  • that said coming soon Gateway Shopping Plaza.
  • 00:27:15.080 --> 00:27:19.050
  • - [Matt] Oh my goodness.
  • 00:27:19.050 --> 00:27:20.000
  • - We'd never seen that.
  • 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.020
  • That plaza is there to this day,
  • 00:27:21.020 --> 00:27:22.290
  • but then we went and picked our friends up for dinner
  • 00:27:22.290 --> 00:27:26.240
  • and I'm telling them about it and we're driving back
  • 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.060
  • and I said look you'll be able to see this sign.
  • 00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:30.210
  • Now we're going the other way
  • 00:27:30.210 --> 00:27:32.040
  • so I said look back you'll be able to see it.
  • 00:27:32.040 --> 00:27:33.260
  • There was no sign there.
  • 00:27:33.260 --> 00:27:35.090
  • - [Laurie] Oh.
  • 00:27:35.090 --> 00:27:36.080
  • - [Matt] What?
  • 00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:37.230
  • - I thought well maybe we just can't see it from this angle
  • 00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:39.000
  • so I said we'll see it when we come back.
  • 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.260
  • - [Laurie] U-turn.
  • 00:27:40.260 --> 00:27:41.240
  • - We'll be driving you know.
  • 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.000
  • We came back no sign there, no sign.
  • 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.170
  • Now I don't know if the city made them take it down
  • 00:27:45.170 --> 00:27:47.260
  • in that 30 minutes.
  • 00:27:47.260 --> 00:27:49.090
  • (laughing)
  • 00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:52.080
  • Or if we saw a vision.
  • 00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:53.170
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:54.150
  • - But Debbie and I both saw that
  • 00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.000
  • and it was confirmation of the name Gateway Church.
  • 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.070
  • - [Laurie] Wow.
  • 00:27:57.070 --> 00:27:58.020
  • - [Matt] My goodness.
  • 00:27:58.020 --> 00:27:58.270
  • - [Laurie] Wow.
  • 00:27:58.270 --> 00:27:59.250
  • - I didn't see that coming.
  • 00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:01.120
  • Wow, that is amazing.
  • 00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:02.280
  • - [Robert] Yeah, so that's how it started.
  • 00:28:02.280 --> 00:28:04.140
  • - You're also the Chairman of the Board
  • 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.080
  • of King's University.
  • 00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:07.250
  • Just kind of briefly.
  • 00:28:09.020 --> 00:28:10.120
  • - [Robert] Sure.
  • 00:28:10.120 --> 00:28:11.070
  • - How did that happen?
  • 00:28:11.070 --> 00:28:12.200
  • - Yeah, Pastor Jack Hayford that everybody knows,
  • 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.050
  • an apostle Paul of our generation
  • 00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:16.250
  • founded The King's University in 1997
  • 00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:21.250
  • and God spoke to him to found a seminary
  • 00:28:23.010 --> 00:28:24.290
  • and then he asked me to come on the board
  • 00:28:24.290 --> 00:28:27.060
  • in about 2004 or 2005,
  • 00:28:27.060 --> 00:28:29.180
  • and then in about 2010 or 2011 the Lord spoke to me one day
  • 00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:34.180
  • and said if Pastor Jack asks you
  • 00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:39.020
  • will you take the university
  • 00:28:39.020 --> 00:28:40.290
  • and I said yes, and I wasn't thinking of it
  • 00:28:40.290 --> 00:28:45.140
  • in a prideful way of having the university,
  • 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:48.180
  • I thought of it in a responsible way or a stewardship way.
  • 00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:52.040
  • I would need to steward this now
  • 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:53.150
  • and you know and at the same time,
  • 00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:56.140
  • Pastor Jack and I have gone back and looked at it,
  • 00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:58.200
  • at the very same time here in California,
  • 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.290
  • Southern California, God spoke to Pastor Jack and said
  • 00:29:00.290 --> 00:29:04.260
  • I want you to hand over the seminary,
  • 00:29:04.260 --> 00:29:07.160
  • the university to Pastor Robert.
  • 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.230
  • And so now, Pastor Jack is the Chancellor Emeritus
  • 00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:14.160
  • and I'm the Chancellor now of The King's University.
  • 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.250
  • We have it there in Southlake.
  • 00:29:16.250 --> 00:29:18.260
  • We have over 700 students.
  • 00:29:18.260 --> 00:29:20.210
  • It's bachelor's, master's and doctorate level degrees
  • 00:29:20.210 --> 00:29:24.150
  • and we are training the next generation for ministry,
  • 00:29:24.150 --> 00:29:28.000
  • that's our focus.
  • 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.060
  • We believe in training business leaders
  • 00:29:29.060 --> 00:29:31.000
  • and nurses and teachers, that's just not our focus.
  • 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.100
  • Our focus is to train men and women
  • 00:29:33.100 --> 00:29:36.100
  • to handle God's word and to preach and teach God's word.
  • 00:29:36.100 --> 00:29:39.200
  • - Are you a theologian?
  • 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.250
  • - You know, I am not a trained theologian
  • 00:29:42.070 --> 00:29:46.010
  • in that I went for school for a while and I didn't graduate
  • 00:29:46.010 --> 00:29:49.000
  • and I wish I had have, but I think I am a theologian
  • 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.040
  • because I've dedicated my life to the study of God,
  • 00:29:53.040 --> 00:29:56.150
  • which is theology.
  • 00:29:56.150 --> 00:29:57.160
  • Thess and ology, the study of God
  • 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.040
  • and I think I've dedicated my life to it.
  • 00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:02.030
  • I believe that if we don't teach the next generation
  • 00:30:02.030 --> 00:30:05.130
  • good sound theology we're gonna be in trouble
  • 00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:09.050
  • because we're gonna get farther and farther from the bible
  • 00:30:09.050 --> 00:30:12.130
  • and the farther we get from the bible
  • 00:30:12.130 --> 00:30:14.150
  • the worse it's gonna get.
  • 00:30:14.150 --> 00:30:15.270
  • - Got it, we're sitting with Robert Morris
  • 00:30:15.270 --> 00:30:17.270
  • right here in Southern California.
  • 00:30:17.270 --> 00:30:19.270
  • We've got this ministry highlight clip.
  • 00:30:19.270 --> 00:30:22.150
  • We're going to go to it.
  • 00:30:22.150 --> 00:30:23.140
  • We come back we're going to
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  • on living a blessed Christian life.
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  • between a believer and a non-believer?
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  • Whom are you going to honor with your finances.
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  • and theology about hearing God's voice,
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  • but I can't develop a personal relationship
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  • for you with God.
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  • with his own unique style of warmth and humor.
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  • - When I'm talking with people I'm thinking to myself
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  • please help this person to get to the point.
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  • (audience laughing)
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  • And then after a while I'll think
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  • dear God please let there be a point.
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  • - [Announcer] The Blessed Life Pastor Robert Morris.
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  • - You want to know what God's greatest desire is?
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  • You, you are God's greatest desire.
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  • - Yes.
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  • Pastor Robert Morris what do you think about debt?
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  • - What do I think about debt, well.
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  • (laughing)
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  • I think it can choke the life out of you,
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  • but I'm not against good debt, I'm really not.
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  • Like buying a home, I think it'd be better
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  • to buy a home, and even if you have to finance it,
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  • and then actually own it at the end of 30 years
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  • rather than spend all of that on an apartment.
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  • So I differ a little bit in that than some
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  • financial teachers, but I'm not trying to differ
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  • to be different you know.
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  • - [Matt] Yeah.
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  • - I believe the bible teaches about if you borrow money
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  • and interest and all these things
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  • so I will say this though,
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  • debt has taken over our society in the wrong way
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  • and here's the problem like with buying something
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  • on a credit card, when you can't pay the credit card
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  • at the end of the month, debt.
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  • God wired us to have hope.
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  • Romans says hope does not disappoint.
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  • That means when you don't have hope you are disappointed.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - So let's say you want something new
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  • and instead of waiting for it and hoping for it
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  • you just go buy it
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  • on a credit card, but you don't have the money
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  • to pay the credit card at the end of the month.
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  • What happens is as soon as you buy it
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  • you're actually disappointed.
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  • Disappointment comes in because God wired you
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  • to wait for something, to look forward to it,
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  • that's what hope is.
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  • So those are some of the principles
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  • that are in the book that are in scripture
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  • that people don't have a blessed,
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  • the word blessed in the Greek is makários,
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  • it means happy.
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  • They don't have a happy life because
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  • if they want something they just go buy it.
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  • And now they have this debt for this thing
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  • they actually end up despising what they bought.
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  • But God wired us, said if we'll wait for it
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  • and save up for it we actually enjoy it a whole lot more.
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  • - Wow, so what is the benefit of,
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  • if this is the stewardship leg
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  • that a blessed life walks on,
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  • so that you're walking instead of going around in circles,
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  • what is the benefit of stewardship?
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  • - Yeah, it's God's blessing.
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  • God actually blesses you.
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  • I'll use a different example to show that.
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  • I just felt like the Lord just brought this
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  • to my mind right now.
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  • I've been asked by a lot of young people
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  • why wait until we're married to have sex.
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  • So that sounds like I'm going totally off line.
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  • - [Laurie] What does that have to do with debt?
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  • - That's right, that's right,
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  • but here's the reason, it's God's blessing.
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  • I was asked one time what difference
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  • does a piece of paper make,
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  • referring to their wedding license, marriage license.
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  • I said a piece of paper makes no difference,
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  • it's God's blessing.
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  • In order to have pre-marital sex
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  • you have to sneak around to do it
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  • and what you actually do you get those butterflies
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  • in your stomach, that adrenaline,
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  • you develop an appetite for sneaking around sex.
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  • Then after you get married
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  • you don't have to sneak around anymore.
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  • And that's why a husband will begin to flirt
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  • with someone at the office
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  • because he has an appetite in him
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  • for sneaking around sex
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  • that was created before he ever got married.
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  • And then what'll happen is he'll divorce his wife
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  • and marry this person at the office,
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  • but they don't have to sneak around anymore
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  • so then he'll begin to talk to someone else.
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  • That's why people are married three and four times, okay,
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  • here's my point, God wired us
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  • if we do things his way it's the right way.
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  • - [Laurie] Right. - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - It's the blessing on us.
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  • So it's the same thing if we handle our finances
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  • the right way there's a blessing that comes from God.
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  • So in the same way that when you give God blesses you,
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  • in the very same way when you decide
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  • to steward your finances and say hey no longer
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  • are these my finances, these are your finances
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  • and when you decide to steward you finances the right way,
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  • God blesses you.
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  • So we have a stewardship department at our church
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  • that teaches people how to handle their finances,
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  • how to budget, how to pay their bills,
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  • how much to put in savings, all of that.
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  • It's kind of like if we lived in a country
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  • that nearly everyone used public transportation
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  • and cars were kind of new on the scene
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  • and the pastor would get up and preach
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  • everybody needs to drive a car,
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  • everybody needs to drive a car
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  • and then we say well pastor
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  • are you going to offer any driver education classes?
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  • No, just get out there on the freeway
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  • and just do the best you can.
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  • You know you'll have a few wrecks,
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  • but I think you'll make it through.
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  • That's kind of what we've done in the church is
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  • everybody needs to give.
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  • Everybody needs to give, everybody needs to give
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  • but we don't offer any training.
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  • No classes on how to budget your money
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  • so that you can give ten percent to the church,
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  • you can give over and above offerings,
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  • no classes on it.
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  • So we have a stewardship department
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  • where we teach people how to budget,
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  • how to handle their finances.
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  • Here's what we found out,
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  • more people are turning in testimonies
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  • about how God's blessing them
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  • when they budget their finances
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  • than even when they give offerings.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - Now think about that.
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  • Think about how many sermons you've heard
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  • where a pastor tells a story
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  • about someone who gave to the building fund
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  • and then the person got a raise.
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  • Okay, I have just as many stories,
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  • even in that book, of people who got on a budget
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  • and God blessed them.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - We have a guy that works for the Post Office,
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  • so just a normal job, that got on a budget,
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  • started doing his finances the way God says
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  • and in five years they were completely debt free.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - [Laurie] Wow.
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  • - Five years, we have a widow in our church
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  • that was tithing and giving five dollars
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  • over and above her tithe a month, that's all she could do,
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  • but she only had, this is so sad,
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  • she only had about 20 dollars left over for food.
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  • Think about that, a widow.
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  • So she came to my son and he taught her
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  • biblical financial principles.
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  • One of the things that she cut out of her budget
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  • was gifts for the grandchildren for Christmas.
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  • But now listen, this is not a bad story.
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  • He gave her the suggestion of making them gifts.
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  • So she made them gifts.
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  • Her family testified they're the best Christmas gifts
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  • they've ever gotten.
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  • - [Laurie] Wow. - [Matt] Wow.
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  • - Because grandma handmade 'em for them.
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  • - Wow.
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  • - So that was one of the things she did.
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  • Then she had a reverse mortgage on her house
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  • and so it was paying, that was where her income
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  • was coming from, plus some social security.
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  • The owner, this guy calls her one day
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  • and says, not the owner of the company,
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  • but he'll come in in a minute.
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  • A guy from the company calls her and says listen
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  • we've reevaluated your house
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  • and it's worth 30.000 dollars extra
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  • and we're going to send that to you in a lump sum.
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  • She tells James my son,
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  • my son immediately thinks this is a scam you know
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  • because nobody does that.
  • 00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:22.080
  • - [Matt] Right.
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  • - So he says let me check it out.
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  • So he calls the guy and talks to him
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  • and here's what the employee says,
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  • he says here's what I know,
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  • he said now you work at a church, right?
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  • And he said yeah, he said well you'll understand this.
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  • My boss, this is the employee,
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  • my boss says that God gave him a dream
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  • and told him to reevaluate this woman's mortgage.
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  • - [Matt] My goodness.
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  • - And when we found out it was worth 30.000 more
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  • to send her a check for 30.000 dollars.
  • 00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:48.060
  • - [Laurie] Oh my goodness.
  • 00:38:48.060 --> 00:38:49.140
  • - [Matt] My goodness, wow that's beautiful.
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  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:52.020
  • - Yes, so that's what I'm trying to share.
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  • What I want to tell people is God can do that.
  • 00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:56.070
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:38:56.070 --> 00:38:57.130
  • - God can do that, but it wasn't because
  • 00:38:57.130 --> 00:38:59.010
  • she was giving more to the church,
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  • it was because she said I want to handle my finances
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  • in a biblical way and God blessed her with extra income.
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  • That's what I want people to know.
  • 00:39:07.270 --> 00:39:09.040
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:39:09.040 --> 00:39:10.190
  • - It's not just that when you get on the budget
  • 00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:11.270
  • the numbers now add up mathematically.
  • 00:39:11.270 --> 00:39:12.280
  • - [Laurie] Right.
  • 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.070
  • - It's that a blessing from God comes on you
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  • and supernatural blessings, even in the form
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  • of unexpected money comes in.
  • 00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:21.030
  • - [Laurie] Wow.
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  • - Okay, let me just say I have never heard
  • 00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:25.190
  • anyone say that in my entire life.
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  • That is, okay when did this revelation,
  • 00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:32.000
  • I mean you wrote it in this book,
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  • but anywhere prior to this?
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  • Is this new?
  • 00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:38.090
  • - No, well it's not new from the fact
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  • that I've seen it in my life all along.
  • 00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:43.000
  • I've watched God because we've given, you know,
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  • I've watched God take me to new levels of stewardship
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  • and every time I went to a new level of stewardship
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  • God would give me more
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  • because he knew I could handle it.
  • 00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:55.250
  • In other words I wouldn't just go out and blow it.
  • 00:39:55.250 --> 00:39:57.250
  • - Okay, do the real quick version,
  • 00:39:57.250 --> 00:40:00.000
  • in case somebody just tuned in,
  • 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.130
  • the difference between stewardship and generosity.
  • 00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:04.140
  • - Okay.
  • 00:40:04.140 --> 00:40:05.120
  • - [Matt] Which are the two legs.
  • 00:40:05.120 --> 00:40:06.270
  • - Yeah, so generosity is us understanding God owns it all
  • 00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:10.020
  • and so when he speaks to us to give
  • 00:40:10.020 --> 00:40:11.250
  • we can trust him and we can give, God'll take care of it.
  • 00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:14.240
  • But stewardship is understanding God owns it all
  • 00:40:14.240 --> 00:40:17.210
  • and so where we spend, where we save, where we invest,
  • 00:40:17.210 --> 00:40:22.040
  • that's all God's, it's not our money.
  • 00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:24.180
  • We're the trustee of the trust fund
  • 00:40:24.180 --> 00:40:26.230
  • that the owner owns and when we start handling
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  • our money that way, there are biblical principles,
  • 00:40:29.140 --> 00:40:32.150
  • like when I talked about debt, there are biblical principles
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  • about debt, about good debt and bad debt.
  • 00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:38.040
  • Savings, I've heard people say,
  • 00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:40.220
  • in the charismatic movement and our church is charismatic
  • 00:40:40.220 --> 00:40:43.070
  • so I'm not knocking that, but I've heard people say
  • 00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:45.190
  • a savings account is doubt.
  • 00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:48.110
  • You know, you shouldn't have a savings account
  • 00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:50.030
  • because that's not trusting God.
  • 00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:52.010
  • - [Laurie] For a rainy day.
  • 00:40:52.010 --> 00:40:53.070
  • - You might put your trust in money.
  • 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:53.270
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:40:53.270 --> 00:40:55.040
  • - That's crazy when you read Proverbs.
  • 00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:55.250
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:40:55.250 --> 00:40:57.000
  • - All over and over it talks about
  • 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.070
  • that a wise person saves for the future
  • 00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.220
  • and a good man leaves an inheritance
  • 00:41:00.220 --> 00:41:02.280
  • to his children's children.
  • 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.060
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:41:04.060 --> 00:41:05.130
  • - So saving money is not the problem,
  • 00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:07.040
  • maybe how you think about how much money
  • 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:09.100
  • you have in the bank is the problem,
  • 00:41:09.100 --> 00:41:10.190
  • but that's not the problem.
  • 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:12.050
  • So there are biblical principles
  • 00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:14.010
  • about how to handle finances in the bible
  • 00:41:14.010 --> 00:41:17.050
  • and finances cause more stress
  • 00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:20.020
  • than anything that I know of in people's lives
  • 00:41:20.020 --> 00:41:22.170
  • and yet God tells us how to do it.
  • 00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:24.180
  • And I've watched person after person after person
  • 00:41:24.180 --> 00:41:27.170
  • start handling their finances
  • 00:41:27.170 --> 00:41:29.090
  • according to biblical principles
  • 00:41:29.090 --> 00:41:31.180
  • and their stress just goes out the window.
  • 00:41:31.180 --> 00:42:30.260
  • - So if I'm reassess and if I sit here and think about
  • 00:42:30.260 --> 00:42:35.260
  • my parent' generation, my dad was an amazing steward.
  • 00:42:37.090 --> 00:42:40.290
  • - [Robert] That's exactly.
  • 00:42:41.250 --> 00:42:42.230
  • - So he had stewardship down.
  • 00:42:42.230 --> 00:42:43.130
  • - [Robert] Yes.
  • 00:42:43.130 --> 00:42:44.210
  • - And I might be more generous than he was,
  • 00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:47.080
  • but I'm probably not nearly as good at stewarding
  • 00:42:47.080 --> 00:42:49.120
  • so you kind of have to assess where you're at
  • 00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:53.120
  • and see that as the two legs.
  • 00:42:53.120 --> 00:42:56.040
  • - [Robert] Yes.
  • 00:42:56.040 --> 00:42:57.020
  • - That you're walking on.
  • 00:42:57.020 --> 00:42:58.110
  • This book represents the stewardship side
  • 00:42:58.110 --> 00:43:01.210
  • and The Blessed Life is the generosity side.
  • 00:43:01.210 --> 00:43:04.290
  • You need both.
  • 00:43:04.290 --> 00:43:06.050
  • - Yeah and so you need to read this book.
  • 00:43:06.050 --> 00:43:06.250
  • - [Matt] Yes.
  • 00:43:06.250 --> 00:43:07.210
  • (laughing)
  • 00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:08.280
  • - Cause he's one of the most generous people.
  • 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.130
  • - But it's true and normally by the way in a marriage.
  • 00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:13.000
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:13.280
  • - One's the generous person
  • 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.030
  • and one's the stewardship person.
  • 00:43:15.030 --> 00:43:16.080
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:43:16.080 --> 00:43:17.140
  • - And you're supposed to work as a team.
  • 00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:18.060
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:43:18.060 --> 00:43:19.120
  • - But if you don't work as a team
  • 00:43:19.120 --> 00:43:20.210
  • one'll give everything away,
  • 00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:21.290
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:43:21.290 --> 00:43:23.070
  • - The other won't give anything away.
  • 00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:23.240
  • - Right.
  • 00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:24.220
  • - Well what are you and Debbie?
  • 00:43:24.220 --> 00:43:25.160
  • Which one are you?
  • 00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:26.240
  • - Well I'm actually as much as it seems
  • 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:30.010
  • that I give so much,
  • 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:31.200
  • I'm a steward.
  • 00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:33.240
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:34.220
  • - But I steward so I can give.
  • 00:43:34.220 --> 00:43:36.220
  • I will say this, I give to the kingdom,
  • 00:43:36.220 --> 00:43:39.280
  • Debbie gives to the grandkids.
  • 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.140
  • (laughing)
  • 00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:43.020
  • So I have to have a separate fund
  • 00:43:43.020 --> 00:43:45.110
  • in the budget for the grandchildren.
  • 00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:48.140
  • They've got, our kids actually joke about it
  • 00:43:48.140 --> 00:43:50.090
  • because they say you've given a lot more--
  • 00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:53.000
  • - [Laurie] Skipped us.
  • 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.070
  • - To our children than you gave to us you know.
  • 00:43:54.070 --> 00:43:56.180
  • But we didn't have anything
  • 00:43:56.180 --> 00:43:57.230
  • when the kids were growing up so you know.
  • 00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:58.180
  • - Okay.
  • 00:43:58.180 --> 00:43:59.270
  • - [Robert] We're blessed a little more now.
  • 00:43:59.270 --> 00:44:00.270
  • - Okay, so where, first of all
  • 00:44:00.270 --> 00:44:04.290
  • what else is left that you need to get
  • 00:44:04.290 --> 00:44:07.060
  • so that we are all wanting to,
  • 00:44:07.060 --> 00:44:10.110
  • I mean I'm gonna take this one you know right here.
  • 00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:13.000
  • (audience laughing)
  • 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.060
  • - Yes you are.
  • 00:44:14.060 --> 00:44:15.100
  • - That's called stealing.
  • 00:44:15.100 --> 00:44:16.230
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:17.230
  • (laughing)
  • 00:44:17.230 --> 00:44:20.190
  • - If you'd be a good steward you could afford to buy it.
  • 00:44:20.190 --> 00:44:22.180
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:44:22.180 --> 00:44:23.190
  • (laughing)
  • 00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:24.140
  • - I'm joking.
  • 00:44:24.140 --> 00:44:25.090
  • It's good to have friends who you can joke with.
  • 00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:29.170
  • But now I have no clue what I'm supposed to say.
  • 00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:32.250
  • I just got off track.
  • 00:44:32.250 --> 00:44:34.010
  • - Well I'm gonna just leave you sitting
  • 00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:35.060
  • laughing in the breeze now so.
  • 00:44:35.060 --> 00:44:37.120
  • - There you go, there you go, there you go.
  • 00:44:37.120 --> 00:44:40.060
  • The thing that I really want people to get
  • 00:44:40.060 --> 00:44:42.090
  • is that we have an enemy,
  • 00:44:42.090 --> 00:44:44.240
  • we haven't even talked about that aspect yet
  • 00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:47.160
  • and his name is Satan and he's trying to steal.
  • 00:44:47.160 --> 00:44:51.080
  • - [Matt] Okay.
  • 00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:52.260
  • - Kill and destroy.
  • 00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:54.170
  • But is amazing that Jesus himself said
  • 00:44:54.170 --> 00:44:56.290
  • the first thing he's trying to do is steal from ya
  • 00:44:56.290 --> 00:44:59.180
  • and he's trying to steal your time,
  • 00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:02.280
  • he's trying to steal your energy,
  • 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.270
  • he's trying to steal your marriage,
  • 00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:06.050
  • he's trying to steal your kids.
  • 00:45:06.050 --> 00:45:08.020
  • So even when we talk about stewardship,
  • 00:45:08.020 --> 00:45:10.090
  • let's forget just for a moment about he money,
  • 00:45:10.090 --> 00:45:13.130
  • how do you steward you time?
  • 00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:14.280
  • How do you steward you energy?
  • 00:45:16.100 --> 00:45:17.210
  • In other words there are some people
  • 00:45:17.210 --> 00:45:19.190
  • that give so much energy to making money
  • 00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:23.020
  • that they don't have any energy
  • 00:45:23.020 --> 00:45:25.040
  • when they go to their kid's ballgame
  • 00:45:25.040 --> 00:45:27.160
  • or when their kid asks for help with homework,
  • 00:45:27.160 --> 00:45:30.000
  • they have no energy left.
  • 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.200
  • So this area is so much bigger,
  • 00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:34.090
  • again it's not the blessed pocketbook, the blessed wallet,
  • 00:45:34.090 --> 00:45:37.120
  • it's the The Blessed Life.
  • 00:45:37.120 --> 00:45:38.260
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:39.240
  • - And they come home from work
  • 00:45:39.240 --> 00:45:41.140
  • and they have no energy to give their spouse.
  • 00:45:41.140 --> 00:45:44.190
  • So stewarding your time, stewarding your energy.
  • 00:45:44.190 --> 00:45:47.170
  • Here's another thing, stewarding your gifts
  • 00:45:47.170 --> 00:45:49.260
  • and your abilities.
  • 00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:51.090
  • We have what I call apostles in the business world.
  • 00:45:51.090 --> 00:45:55.140
  • They run corporations and they're ushers at the church.
  • 00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:59.170
  • They could come in and you know when we started
  • 00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:03.140
  • our stewardship ministry that I told you about,
  • 00:46:03.140 --> 00:46:05.050
  • my son is over that
  • 00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:07.080
  • and over some other areas of the church now.
  • 00:46:07.080 --> 00:46:09.280
  • He went into business and then felt
  • 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.260
  • like God really called him into ministry
  • 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:13.100
  • to help people in this area
  • 00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:15.010
  • cause there's so much stress
  • 00:46:15.010 --> 00:46:16.120
  • in the area of finances you know.
  • 00:46:16.120 --> 00:46:18.220
  • But when we started the stewardship ministry
  • 00:46:18.220 --> 00:46:21.010
  • at Gateway Church we couldn't hire anyone to run it
  • 00:46:21.010 --> 00:46:23.240
  • so I went to some business people in our church,
  • 00:46:23.240 --> 00:46:26.070
  • some couples, I called them in,
  • 00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:28.030
  • met with about five couples and said
  • 00:46:28.030 --> 00:46:30.040
  • would you be willing to help some younger couples
  • 00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:33.070
  • learn how to handle their finances, they lit up.
  • 00:46:33.070 --> 00:46:36.280
  • They were like we'd love to do that.
  • 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.030
  • We would love to teach them how to budget and how to save
  • 00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:42.150
  • and how to, you know, so that's the point is
  • 00:46:42.150 --> 00:46:46.230
  • when you teach people this
  • 00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:48.240
  • you are taking away ground from the enemy.
  • 00:46:48.240 --> 00:46:51.250
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:46:51.250 --> 00:46:53.080
  • - Because the enemy is constantly stealing from us
  • 00:46:53.080 --> 00:46:55.090
  • because we're not stewarding
  • 00:46:55.090 --> 00:46:56.260
  • other areas of our life well.
  • 00:46:56.260 --> 00:46:58.220
  • So stewardship is so much bigger than the checkbook,
  • 00:46:58.220 --> 00:47:02.060
  • it involves every area of our life.
  • 00:47:02.060 --> 00:47:05.190
  • - So we, we're unpacking
  • 00:47:05.190 --> 00:47:09.250
  • you know The Blessed Life, Beyond Blessed,
  • 00:47:09.250 --> 00:47:12.210
  • but interesting that you should kind of zoom out
  • 00:47:15.220 --> 00:47:20.040
  • for a second and again your term,
  • 00:47:20.040 --> 00:47:22.280
  • we're not talking about beyond blessed pocketbook
  • 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.140
  • or the blessed pocketbook,
  • 00:47:26.140 --> 00:47:28.020
  • we're talking about the blessed life.
  • 00:47:28.020 --> 00:47:30.060
  • You sit here today as we're taping this
  • 00:47:30.060 --> 00:47:33.060
  • really serious thing.2018,ly,
  • 00:47:33.060 --> 00:47:37.030
  • Unpack that for a minute
  • 00:47:37.030 --> 00:47:39.100
  • and the fact that we're getting here
  • 00:47:39.100 --> 00:47:42.130
  • and we're talking to you today
  • 00:47:42.130 --> 00:47:44.150
  • is kind of a miracle.
  • 00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:45.250
  • - [Robert] It is.
  • 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:47.030
  • - Why don't you use the last ten minutes or so,
  • 00:47:47.030 --> 00:47:49.090
  • maybe share that testimony and pray for these folks
  • 00:47:49.090 --> 00:47:53.190
  • and it's a miracle you're here.
  • 00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:56.270
  • - I remember Pastor Jack Hayford talking about
  • 00:47:56.270 --> 00:48:00.170
  • it's my time now to steward my influence
  • 00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:03.010
  • and when we were talking back a couple weeks ago
  • 00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:06.040
  • I felt that, I said you know
  • 00:48:06.040 --> 00:48:08.240
  • because I know it's changed your life.
  • 00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:10.180
  • I know it's kind of changed your focus
  • 00:48:10.180 --> 00:48:12.080
  • and Debbie's a little bit
  • 00:48:12.080 --> 00:48:14.030
  • and I thought you know what he's going to start
  • 00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:16.130
  • stewarding his influence now.
  • 00:48:17.140 --> 00:48:18.230
  • - Yeah, it's another level of stewardship.
  • 00:48:18.230 --> 00:48:20.250
  • - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:48:20.250 --> 00:48:22.100
  • - I do three things and that is I feed the church
  • 00:48:22.100 --> 00:48:25.250
  • and by feeding the church I actually get
  • 00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:27.210
  • to feed the body of Christ too through television and books.
  • 00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:30.280
  • I lead the church and then I am now being called upon
  • 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.090
  • to be a leader in the body of Christ
  • 00:48:35.090 --> 00:48:37.220
  • and not just a leader with people in the body of Christ,
  • 00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:41.050
  • but a leader even with government officials
  • 00:48:41.050 --> 00:48:43.030
  • and things like that.
  • 00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:44.140
  • And I've even taken some criticism for that,
  • 00:48:44.140 --> 00:48:46.280
  • but I think well who do you want advising our leaders.
  • 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.220
  • - [Laurie] Right.
  • 00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:51.200
  • - You want atheists advising.
  • 00:48:51.200 --> 00:48:52.250
  • - [Laurie] Right.
  • 00:48:52.250 --> 00:48:54.100
  • - Why not have pastors you know to try to help you know
  • 00:48:54.100 --> 00:48:55.160
  • no matter where they are, let's try to help.
  • 00:48:55.160 --> 00:48:58.000
  • So I felt like I needed to step more
  • 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.290
  • into this leadership role and I looked at my leading
  • 00:48:59.290 --> 00:49:03.040
  • and feeding and thought I need called to feed,
  • 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:05.250
  • I'm called to feed
  • 00:49:05.250 --> 00:49:07.090
  • and so Pastor Jimmy Evans, which you guys know very well,
  • 00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:10.170
  • I've brought him in to lead the church
  • 00:49:10.170 --> 00:49:12.260
  • a little bit more on a day to day basis
  • 00:49:12.260 --> 00:49:14.260
  • and I'm still the lead Senior Pastor,
  • 00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:16.110
  • but I reassessed all this because of the health crisis.
  • 00:49:16.110 --> 00:49:20.080
  • I'd had hernia surgery,
  • 00:49:21.160 --> 00:49:23.110
  • but there were no complications from it.
  • 00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:26.080
  • We thought there were at first,
  • 00:49:26.080 --> 00:49:27.160
  • and we reported that, but it was our mistake.
  • 00:49:27.160 --> 00:49:29.100
  • There weren't any health complications.
  • 00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:31.060
  • But it was about a week later and I started getting dizzy
  • 00:49:31.060 --> 00:49:35.160
  • and I asked Debbie to try to help me get to the bathtub,
  • 00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:38.200
  • I just felt bad and I passed out.
  • 00:49:38.200 --> 00:49:41.290
  • And I passed out with my eyes open and stopped breathing
  • 00:49:41.290 --> 00:49:46.160
  • for about 30 seconds and when I woke up
  • 00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:49.190
  • she was on the phone with 9-1-1.
  • 00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:52.030
  • And they thought I was dehydrated at first
  • 00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:53.270
  • and they gave me a couple bags of fluid, that helped.
  • 00:49:53.270 --> 00:49:57.010
  • They left, then we had to call them back.
  • 00:49:57.010 --> 00:50:00.010
  • There was a paramedic who had been a helicopter paramedic
  • 00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:03.170
  • that had moved to this small town where we were at the time
  • 00:50:03.170 --> 00:50:08.040
  • and he knew immediately I needed to be care flighted.
  • 00:50:08.040 --> 00:50:10.250
  • What had happened was I had two arteries that tore.
  • 00:50:10.250 --> 00:50:14.160
  • No medical reason for it.
  • 00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:16.200
  • It was an attack of the enemy
  • 00:50:16.200 --> 00:50:18.040
  • as much as anything I've ever seen.
  • 00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:20.090
  • First of all for two arteries to tear
  • 00:50:20.090 --> 00:50:22.280
  • within a few hours, they say you have minutes to hours.
  • 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.270
  • They got me on the helicopter by the time I'd landed
  • 00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:30.250
  • I'd lost over 50 percent of my blood.
  • 00:50:30.250 --> 00:50:33.010
  • If you Google it--
  • 00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:34.020
  • - [Matt] Bleeding internally.
  • 00:50:34.020 --> 00:50:34.270
  • - Bleeding internally.
  • 00:50:34.270 --> 00:50:36.030
  • I had a cantaloupe sized hematoma inside me
  • 00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:39.160
  • and I could feel it then pushing on my stomach
  • 00:50:39.160 --> 00:50:42.130
  • and they went in, removed it,
  • 00:50:42.130 --> 00:50:43.220
  • repaired one of the arteries
  • 00:50:43.220 --> 00:50:45.040
  • because they thought that was all.
  • 00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:46.090
  • Who would think there were two?
  • 00:50:46.090 --> 00:50:48.030
  • But within 24 hours my blood pressure
  • 00:50:48.030 --> 00:50:50.000
  • was still like 65 over 40.
  • 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.200
  • Wouldn't come up.
  • 00:50:51.200 --> 00:50:52.250
  • When the paramedics got out there
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  • my blood pressure was too low to read.
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  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:57.110
  • - It wouldn't even read.
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  • And then, this is a little humorous now,
  • 00:50:58.190 --> 00:51:01.050
  • they were on both sides of me
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  • and they were feeling my you know right now
  • 00:51:02.290 --> 00:51:05.040
  • and they were saying I can't feel a pulse,
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  • can you feel a pulse, I can't feel a pulse.
  • 00:51:06.180 --> 00:51:08.220
  • And I thought I can hear you.
  • 00:51:08.220 --> 00:51:10.100
  • (laughing)
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  • There's a pulse I promise,
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  • I just can't verbalize it right now but I'm alive you know.
  • 00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:18.070
  • So if you lose 40 to 45 percent of your blood
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  • without medical attention death
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  • is imminent is what they say.
  • 00:51:25.130 --> 00:51:27.090
  • And so because of the medical attention
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  • that caused me to be able to stay alive you know.
  • 00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:32.010
  • But they immediately put a port in my neck,
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  • I have a scar right here,
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  • and put four IVs in me.
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  • They gave me six units of blood, four units of platelets,
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  • two units platelets, four units plasma,
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  • but my blood pressure wouldn't come up.
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  • They went in and found another tear,
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  • another cantaloupe sized hematoma,
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  • removed it, they opened me up.
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  • I did not get a bikini cut.
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  • (laughing)
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  • And I sympathize with every lady.
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  • - [Laurie] Thank God.
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  • - That's ever had a c-section
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  • because the hematoma weighed about seven pounds,
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  • so they just opened me up you know.
  • 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.130
  • - [Laurie] But now you know.
  • 00:52:03.130 --> 00:52:04.180
  • - Also for about three weeks after this
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  • I had night sweats so Debbie said
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  • you must have gotten blood from a menopausal woman.
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  • (audience laughing)
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  • So I'm sorry too if you've gone through that.
  • 00:52:12.120 --> 00:52:15.050
  • I'm so sorry about that, for not praying for you.
  • 00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:17.180
  • But they got that second one,
  • 00:52:20.020 --> 00:52:21.270
  • but this took, I was out of the pulpit,
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  • and y'all remember this because you know
  • 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.130
  • you come to the church,
  • 00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:26.170
  • I was out of the pulpit for four months.
  • 00:52:26.170 --> 00:52:27.270
  • - [Matt] Yeah. - [Laurie] Yeah.
  • 00:52:27.270 --> 00:52:29.050
  • - Took four months for me to recover
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  • and even now, I just saw the doctor,
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  • my blood is back to normal except for a few little areas
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  • and he said to me you probably feel 100 percent,
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  • but you're probably not even 95 percent.
  • 00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:42.010
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:52:42.010 --> 00:52:43.170
  • - It'll take you a year to completely get over this.
  • 00:52:43.170 --> 00:52:44.230
  • - Because that wasn't your blood.
  • 00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:45.250
  • - [Robert] It was not my blood.
  • 00:52:45.250 --> 00:52:46.190
  • - You were basically--
  • 00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:48.040
  • - And even the blood they gave me I lost more of that.
  • 00:52:48.040 --> 00:52:50.040
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:52:50.040 --> 00:52:51.160
  • - So yeah, so when I checked out of the hospital
  • 00:52:51.160 --> 00:52:53.150
  • I mean I couldn't walk from the bed to the bathroom
  • 00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:56.250
  • without getting out of breath so it was,
  • 00:52:56.250 --> 00:53:00.090
  • but here's the, when I was in the helicopter
  • 00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:04.060
  • I knew I was dying.
  • 00:53:04.060 --> 00:53:05.140
  • I told the surgeon I thought I was dying
  • 00:53:05.140 --> 00:53:07.020
  • and he said you were.
  • 00:53:07.020 --> 00:53:08.180
  • You were dying, that's why you thought that you were,
  • 00:53:08.180 --> 00:53:09.160
  • you were dying.
  • 00:53:09.160 --> 00:53:10.270
  • But I knew I was going to heaven
  • 00:53:10.270 --> 00:53:13.090
  • and it was like peace filled the helicopter.
  • 00:53:13.090 --> 00:53:15.120
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:53:15.120 --> 00:53:16.190
  • - And I've heard that there's no fear in death
  • 00:53:16.190 --> 00:53:19.060
  • for the believer and that's true.
  • 00:53:19.060 --> 00:53:20.150
  • I wasn't afraid, but what I didn't realize
  • 00:53:20.150 --> 00:53:23.070
  • was the joy I felt.
  • 00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:25.060
  • I was excited about going to heaven.
  • 00:53:25.060 --> 00:53:27.100
  • Even thinking about my family.
  • 00:53:27.100 --> 00:53:28.250
  • When I thought about my grandchildren
  • 00:53:28.250 --> 00:53:30.110
  • I thought well they'll be here just a little while,
  • 00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:32.170
  • just a little while.
  • 00:53:32.170 --> 00:53:33.250
  • And my son asked me well how long did you think
  • 00:53:33.250 --> 00:53:35.290
  • a little while was, in the hospital when I was recovering,
  • 00:53:35.290 --> 00:53:38.040
  • he said how long did you think that was,
  • 00:53:38.040 --> 00:53:39.190
  • like a few months, a few years, a few weeks,
  • 00:53:39.190 --> 00:53:42.170
  • you know a day is as a thousand years,
  • 00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:44.070
  • a thousand years as a day.
  • 00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:45.280
  • And I said I didn't think in those terms
  • 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.040
  • and my son said dad I think you experience eternity.
  • 00:53:48.040 --> 00:53:50.230
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:53:50.230 --> 00:53:52.070
  • - But in the helicopter, this is what I'll finish with,
  • 00:53:52.070 --> 00:53:54.120
  • I told the Lord I'm excited.
  • 00:53:54.120 --> 00:53:56.090
  • I'm excited about going to heaven,
  • 00:53:56.090 --> 00:53:58.160
  • but I'd like to see my grandchildren grow up
  • 00:53:58.160 --> 00:54:03.180
  • and I don't think you're finished with me yet.
  • 00:54:04.230 --> 00:54:06.140
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:54:06.140 --> 00:54:07.220
  • - And the Lord said two words, he said I'm not.
  • 00:54:07.220 --> 00:54:10.140
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:54:10.140 --> 00:54:11.190
  • - And I knew I wasn't dying that day.
  • 00:54:11.190 --> 00:54:13.280
  • It didn't matter what else happened to me.
  • 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.240
  • I got pneumonia in ICU, I was in ICU four days,
  • 00:54:15.240 --> 00:54:18.180
  • hospital eight days, none of that mattered
  • 00:54:18.180 --> 00:54:20.230
  • because I knew God said I'm not finished with you.
  • 00:54:20.230 --> 00:54:22.250
  • So now I've got a renewed vision to help people--
  • 00:54:22.250 --> 00:54:27.150
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:28.220
  • - Understand the bible because the bible holds
  • 00:54:28.220 --> 00:54:31.000
  • the key to every issue--
  • 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.170
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:34.150
  • - that we're facing right now.
  • 00:54:34.150 --> 00:54:35.130
  • - [Matt] Pray for the folks.
  • 00:54:35.130 --> 00:54:36.070
  • - Okay, I'll do it.
  • 00:54:36.070 --> 00:54:37.230
  • And I want to pray for you if you've lost a loved one
  • 00:54:37.230 --> 00:54:39.270
  • because I just want to tell you
  • 00:54:39.270 --> 00:54:41.130
  • from what I felt in that helicopter
  • 00:54:41.130 --> 00:54:43.150
  • your loved ones are happy.
  • 00:54:43.150 --> 00:54:44.270
  • - [Matt] Wow.
  • 00:54:44.270 --> 00:54:46.110
  • - They are joy filled and they are not experiencing time
  • 00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:48.130
  • like we experience it.
  • 00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:49.270
  • You're gonna be with them pretty soon and they know that
  • 00:54:49.270 --> 00:54:52.160
  • and they're also rooting for you.
  • 00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:54.070
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:54:54.070 --> 00:54:55.070
  • - So I just want to pray for you.
  • 00:54:55.070 --> 00:54:56.210
  • Lord I pray for every person watching right now.
  • 00:54:56.210 --> 00:54:58.250
  • I pray God especially as we talked about death
  • 00:54:58.250 --> 00:55:01.210
  • for those that have lost a loved one
  • 00:55:01.210 --> 00:55:03.110
  • I pray for the comfort of the Holy Spirit
  • 00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:06.090
  • and I pray Lord that they'll be comforted to know
  • 00:55:06.090 --> 00:55:09.030
  • that their loved ones are happy and joyful
  • 00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:12.000
  • and not experiencing anymore pain.
  • 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.080
  • And Lord I also pray now as we talked about Beyond Blessed,
  • 00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:17.270
  • that Lord you want us to live a happy life
  • 00:55:17.270 --> 00:55:20.190
  • and even beyond happy and I pray Lord
  • 00:55:20.190 --> 00:55:23.240
  • that every person will catch the truth
  • 00:55:23.240 --> 00:55:27.030
  • that you own it all and that when we steward it
  • 00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:30.090
  • you give us more to steward so that we can help more people
  • 00:55:30.090 --> 00:55:34.230
  • so Lord I pray for your blessings on every person watching
  • 00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:39.010
  • in Jesus' name amen.
  • 00:55:39.010 --> 00:55:41.170
  • - Pastor would you lift up just sickness in bodies.
  • 00:55:41.170 --> 00:55:44.200
  • - [Robert] I will.
  • 00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:45.270
  • - In this audience and in our viewing audience.
  • 00:55:45.270 --> 00:55:46.210
  • - [Robert] I will.
  • 00:55:46.210 --> 00:55:47.110
  • - That you just.
  • 00:55:47.110 --> 00:55:48.180
  • - I will do it, Lord I'm just reminded
  • 00:55:48.180 --> 00:55:50.040
  • that the doctor said to me there's no medical reason
  • 00:55:50.040 --> 00:55:54.020
  • this happened and there's no medical reason
  • 00:55:54.020 --> 00:55:56.200
  • you're still alive.
  • 00:55:56.200 --> 00:55:57.170
  • - [Matt] Yeah.
  • 00:55:57.170 --> 00:55:58.240
  • - So Lord I pray for the people right now.
  • 00:55:58.240 --> 00:55:59.180
  • - [Matt] Thank you Lord.
  • 00:55:59.180 --> 00:56:00.270
  • - That there's no medical reason Lord,
  • 00:56:00.270 --> 00:56:03.030
  • or even if there's a medical reason,
  • 00:56:03.030 --> 00:56:05.040
  • I pray for a miracle.
  • 00:56:05.040 --> 00:56:06.230
  • - [Matt] Thank you father.
  • 00:56:06.230 --> 00:56:08.070
  • - I pray for healing like you raised my body up
  • 00:56:08.070 --> 00:56:10.080
  • I pray you'll raise their bodies up.
  • 00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:12.100
  • The same power that raised Jesus from the dead
  • 00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:15.100
  • will quicken their mortal bodies right now
  • 00:56:15.100 --> 00:56:18.060
  • in Jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:56:18.060 --> 00:56:20.250
  • - Beautiful.
  • 00:56:20.250 --> 00:56:21.270
  • Wow, wow, wow.
  • 00:56:21.270 --> 00:56:23.050
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:56:23.050 --> 00:56:24.170
  • Beyond Blessed.
  • 00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:25.140
  • Pastor Robert thank you first of all
  • 00:56:27.140 --> 00:56:31.000
  • for the first book, The Blessed Life,
  • 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.010
  • it has aired on TBN, it has blessed our viewing audience
  • 00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:39.200
  • around the world.
  • 00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:40.270
  • We are adapting it into languages
  • 00:56:40.270 --> 00:56:43.090
  • around the world and deploying it.
  • 00:56:43.090 --> 00:56:46.000
  • This now, the companion book, Beyond Blessed,
  • 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.060
  • I just want you to know that any kind
  • 00:56:48.060 --> 00:56:49.210
  • We need this message.
  • 00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:53.040
  • It's a mandate from the previous generation
  • 00:56:53.040 --> 00:56:56.070
  • to Laurie and me, find Robert Morris,
  • 00:56:56.070 --> 00:56:59.090
  • get his message out.
  • 00:56:59.090 --> 00:57:01.030
  • It's The Blessed Life is now Beyond Blessed.
  • 00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:04.040
  • Robert Morris, we'll see you next time.
  • 00:57:04.040 --> 00:57:05.160
  • Thank you pastor.
  • 00:57:05.160 --> 00:57:06.220
  • We'll see you next time, bye-bye.
  • 00:57:06.220 --> 00:57:07.200
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:09.060
  • (upbeat music)
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