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  • - TONIGHT ON PRAISE,FROM NEW YORK CITY
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  • SOUTHWEST AIRLINESCAPTAIN AND FORMER NAVAL
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  • AVIATOR TAMMIE JO SHULTS.
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  • AND NOW ERICK STAKELBECK.
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  • - ERICK STAKELBECK:WELCOME TO NEW YORK CITY,
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  • AND WELCOME TO A VERYSPECIAL EDITION OF PRAISE.
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  • TAMMIE JO SHULTS IS ACOMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT
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  • WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BEAN AMERICAN HERO.
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  • SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRSTFEMALE FIGHTER PILOTS IN
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  • THE US NAVY, AND AFTERYEARS OF SERVING ON
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  • ACTIVE DUTY, TAMMIE JOHAS FACED MANY TRIALS AS
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  • A WOMAN WORKING IN THEAVIATION INDUSTRY.
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  • STILL NONE CAN COMPARETO THE EVENTS THAT TOOK
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  • PLACE NOT FAR FROM HEREAT LA GUARDIA AIRPORT IN
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  • 2018 WHEN TAMMIE JO WASCAPTAIN OF A FLIGHT THAT
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  • SUFFERED A CATASTROPHICENGINE FAILURE.
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  • IN A FLASH SHE HAD TORELY OF HER YEARS OF
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  • EXPERIENCE AND HER FAITHTO SAVE NOT ONLY HER OWN
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  • LIFE BUT THE LIVES OF ALLTHOSE ON BOARD THAT WERE
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  • PLACED IN HER HANDS.
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  • WE'VE ALL SEEN THEHEADLINES, BUT FEW KNOW
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  • THE FULL STORY OF THEHEROIC JOURNEY OF TAMMIE
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  • JO SCHULTZ.
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  • - SOUTHWEST 1380 HAS ANENGINE FIRE DESCENDING.
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  • - SOUTHWEST 1380 --
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  • - COMING DOWNTO 1-1 , 11.000.
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  • THE ENGINE NUMBER ONE.
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  • - OKAY. THANK YOU 1380.
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  • - I HAD BEEN WATCHINGAIRCRAFT FLIGHT OVERHEAD.
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  • THE JETS PRACTICING THEIRDOG FIGHTING OVER OUR BIG
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  • HAY BARN, BUT WHEN I WAS13 I READ A BOOK, AND
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  • THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONSI'M WRITING A BOOK
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  • BECAUSE I GOT TO SEE FROMBEHIND A PILOT'S EYES AND
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  • SEE IT FROM INSIDETHE COCKPIT.
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  • AND THAT'S WHAT IDECIDED I WANT TO FLY.
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  • ON CAREER DAY WHEN I WENTTO THE AVIATION CLASS THE
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  • COLONEL IN CHARGE ASKEDME IF I WAS LOST AND THEN
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  • PROCEEDED TO SAYIT'S CAREER DAY.
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  • NOT HOBBY DAY.
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  • YOU NEED TO GO FINDSOMETHING GIRLS CAN DO.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - EVERYTHING THATFLIES LAUNCHES FROM A
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  • FOUNDATION WHETHER IT'SROCKETS FROM A LAUNCH
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  • PAD, AIRCRAFT FROMRUNWAYS OR BIRDS FROM
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  • A BRANCH.
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  • BECOMING A CHRISTIAN,LEARNING WHO JESUS WAS,
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  • NOT JUST GOD AS CREATORBUT JESUS AS REDEEMER, I
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  • HAD THAT AS A FOUNDATIONAS I LAUNCHED OUT.
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  • OUR DREAMS ARE JUST THESTARTING PISTOL IN LIFE.
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  • IT'S THE RACE AHEAD.
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  • THE YEARS OF HARD WORKSOMETIMES WITH NO PROMISE
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  • OF SUCCESS THAT PUTS USIN PLACE AND READY WHEN
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  • WE'RE CALLED UPON.
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  • - TAMMIE JO, HOW DID YOUCOME TO FALL IN LOVE
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  • WITH FLYING?
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  • - WELL, JUST SEEING IT.
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  • I GREW UP ON A RANCH INSOUTHERN NEW MEXICO, AND
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  • THE AIR FORCE JETS FROMHOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE
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  • THEY ANCHORED THEIR DOGFIGHTING OVER OUR BIG HAY
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  • BARN, SO I'D SEE IT AS IWAS MUCKING OUT STALLS OR
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  • STOCK TRAILERS, AND ITJUST LOOKED A LOT MORE
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  • EXCITING AND CLEANER THANWHAT I WAS DOING, AND
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  • THEN I STARTED READINGABOUT IT, AND I PICKED UP
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  • A BOOK CALLED JUNGLEPILOT ABOUT NATE SAINT
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  • WHICH WAS JIM ELLIOT'SPILOT IN ECUADOR, SO THAT
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  • MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WASIN THE COCKPIT GETTING TO
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  • SEE FROM BEHIND THEPILOT'S EYES, AND THAT
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  • WAS REALLY IT.
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  • I JUST FELL IN LOVEWITH THE IDEA OF IT.
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  • THE YEARS BEFORE I'D EVERFLEW BUT --
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  • - WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUTYOUR INCREDIBLE JOURNEY, SOME
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  • OF THE OBSTACLES YOUFACED, BUT QUICK QUESTION
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  • FOR ME, I FLY A LOT ANDFOR PEOPLE WATCHING WHAT
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  • IT'S LIKE TO BE UP THEREIN THE CLOUDS FLYING?
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  • TELL US ABOUT THE FEELINGYOU HAVE AS A PILOT.
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  • - WELL, IT'SEXHILARATING.
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  • I MEAN, I LOVE SPEED, ANDSO THAT'S FUN, BUT IT'S
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  • ALSO VERY FREEING.
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  • I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE THEFREEDOM AROUND A COUPLE
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  • OF AXIS RATHER THAN JUSTONE, AND THEN WHEN YOU
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  • GET UP TO A CERTAIN LEVELIT KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE
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  • WORLD IS ROTATING BENEATHYOU RATHER THAN YOU
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  • FLYING OVER IT.
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  • AND GETTING TO SEE LIKETHE CURVATURE OF THE
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  • EARTH WHEN THE SUN ISSETTING BEHIND YOU AND
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  • NORTHERN LIGHTS ON ANORTHERN NIGHT FLIGHT.
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  • I MEAN, THOSE ARE JUST-- IT'S JUST SUCH A
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  • REFLECTION OF THECREATIVITY OF OUR GOD
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  • THAT IT'S STILLBREATHTAKING 35 YEARS LATER.
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  • - YOU MUST FEEL THEPRESENCE OF GOD WHEN
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  • YOU'RE UP THEREIN THE CLOUDS.
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  • - I WOULD NEVERSAY I AM A PILOT.
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  • FOR ONE THING, I LEARNEDALONG THE WAY THAT'S
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  • SOMETHING THAT CAN BETAKEN AWAY, GIVEN BACK,
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  • TAKEN AWAY, GIVEN BACK.
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  • WHEN I STARTED TO WRAP MYIDENTITY AROUND THAT, I
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  • REALIZED THATIS LOOSELY HELD.
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  • SO I THINK IT KIND OFHELPED SET MY JAW IN
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  • THAT PROGRAM.
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  • SO I WOULD SAY I AM ADAUGHTER OF AN AMAZING GOD.
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  • I'M A MOTHER.
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  • I AM A WIFE.
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  • I MARRIED A MAN THATLOVES THE OUTDOORS AS
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  • MUCH AS I DO, AND HE HASTAUGHT OUR KIDS AND ME TO
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  • HUNT AND TOFISH, FLY FISH.
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  • WE GO ON ADVENTURES.
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  • THE THINGS I LOVE TODO THAT WOULD
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  • INCLUDE PILOTING.
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  • - AND BEING YOU'RE ALSOA PILOT SO THIS IS A VERY
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  • UNIQUE MARRIAGEIN MANY WAYS.
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  • HOW DID YOU GET INTOBEING A PILOT AND WHAT
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  • DREW YOU INTO FLYING?
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  • - I GOT A LITTLE TASTEOF FLYING IN HIGH SCHOOL.
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  • I GOT TO GO FLYING WITHA FRIEND IN A LITTLE
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  • AIRPLANE, BUT I WAS VERYMUCH IN COLLEGE I BECAME
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  • PART OF THE TOPGUN GENERATION.
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  • I WATCHED THE MOVIE ANDWENT AND TOOK A TEST AND
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  • SAID I WANTTO GO DO THAT.
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  • AND BY GOD'S GRACEGOT TO DO THAT.
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  • - AND MET YOURWIFE IN THE PROCESS.
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  • WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUTYOUR AMAZING MARRIAGE
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  • RELATIONSHIP, AND THEBOND YOU GUYS FORMED.
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  • TAMMIE JO, YOU HAVE ANAMAZING UPBRINGING.
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  • YOU MENTIONED IT EARLIER,AS YOU WERE KIND OF BACK
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  • HOME LOOKING UP ANDSEEING THESE PLANES GO BY.
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  • TELL US ABOUT HOW YOURUPBRINGING IN A WORKING
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  • CLASS FAMILY, TELL USABOUT HOW IT INFLUENCED
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  • YOUR LIFE AND PATH.
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  • - WELL, I HAD PARENTSTHAT WERE VERY FORWARD
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  • THINKING ALTHOUGH OFCOURSE AT THE TIME I
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  • THOUGHT THEY WERE VERYOLD-FASHIONED, BUT WORK
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  • NEEDS A WORK FORCE ON AFARM AND A RANCH, SO I
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  • HAD THE SAME ASSIGNMENTSAND ACCOLADES THAT MY
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  • BROTHERS AND HIRED HANDSDID, SO I DIDN'T REALIZE
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  • THERE WERE A BIGDISPARITY IN WHAT THE
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  • WORLD WAS READY FOR GIRLSTO DO UNTIL I LEFT HOME.
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  • - YOU WERE GETTING YOURHANDS DIRTY ON THE FARM
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  • WITH ANIMALS, PIGS,THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
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  • - RIGHT.
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  • - YOU TALK ABOUTIT IN YOUR BOOK.
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  • - RIGHT.
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  • YES, I TENDED TO DO AS WEGOT INTO HIGH SCHOOL, MY
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  • OLDER BROTHER TENDEDTO TAKE CARE OF THE
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  • EQUIPMENT MORE AND ITOOK CARE OF ANIMALS.
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  • I LOVED IT.
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  • I MEAN, PART OF I THINKWHAT PULLED ME TO THE
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  • LORD WAS JUST BEING OUTIN HIS CREATION, AND
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  • HAVING THOSE QUESTIONSABOUT AND REALIZING WHAT
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  • AN INTELLECT WENT BEHINDALL THIS, AND COMING
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  • THROUGH AND READINGROMANS 1, LATER ON
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  • REALIZING WELL, THAT ISONE OF THE THINGS, HIS
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  • CREATION, HIS WORD, HISSPIRIT IS ONE OF THE THEE
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  • THINGS THAT DRAWSUS TO HIS HEART.
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  • - YOU SAID YOURPARENTS WERE PRETTY
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  • FORWARD THINKING.
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  • WAS THERE ANY PARTICULARBIT OF ADVICE THEY GAVE
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  • YOU THAT REALLY MOTIVATEDYOU AND STUCK WITH YOU?
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  • - OH, MY GOODNESS.
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  • THEY GAVE ME ALOT OF ADVICE.
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  • - AND HARDWORKING PEOPLE.
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  • YOU TALK ABOUTIT IN THE BOOK.
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  • - OH, EXTREMELY.
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  • IN FACT THE ONLY TIME IEVER SEE THEM SIT ON THE
  • 00:08:04.462 --> 00:08:06.164
  • COUCH WAS WHENWE HAD COMPANY.
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  • I MEAN, I NEVER SAW MYPARENTS ON A COUCH EXCEPT
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  • WHEN THERE WAS COMPANY.
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  • I DON'T THINK WE SAT ONTHE COUCH MUCH UNLESS
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  • THERE WAS COMPANY.
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  • BUT ONE OF THE THINGSTHAT BOTH OF MY PARENTS
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  • WERE VERY PRAGMATIC ABOUTIS IF YOU WANT TO DO
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  • SOMETHING, THENYOU NEED TO FIND OUT
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  • ABOUT IT AND FIND OUT IFYOU HAVE THE MERIT TO DO IT.
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  • IF YOU LIKE --ONE OF MYFIRST DREAMS WAS TO BE A
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  • RACEHORSE JOCKEY, ANDMY MOM WAS JUST VERY
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  • TRUTHFUL WITH ME AND SHESAID, YOU'RE 5'7
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  • IN 7TH GRADE.
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  • IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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  • MOVE ONTO SOMETHINGYOU'RE SUITED FOR, AND
  • 00:08:46.104 --> 00:08:48.239
  • GOD MADE YOU ON PURPOSE,THAT WONDERFUL SCRIPTURE
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  • IN EPHESIANS THATTALKS ABOUT WE ARE HIS
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  • WORKMANSHIP, HIS POEMA.
  • 00:08:53.345 --> 00:08:55.313
  • AND WE'RE NOT MADE BYACCIDENT, AND OUR SKILL
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  • SET OUR ABILITIES, ANDWHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN,
  • 00:08:58.583 --> 00:09:02.187
  • THEY ALL HAVE A PURPOSE.
  • 00:09:02.253 --> 00:09:04.422
  • GOD HAD A REASON TO PUTTHAT SPARK IN US TO DRAW
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  • US TO SOMETHING.
  • 00:09:06.057 --> 00:09:07.926
  • - NOW, DEAN, IF YOUFEEL KIND OF A SIMILAR
  • 00:09:07.993 --> 00:09:09.861
  • CALLING, THE TOP GUNINSPIRATION IS PRETTY
  • 00:09:09.928 --> 00:09:13.431
  • COOL, BUT DID YOU FEELKIND OF THAT CALLING TOO
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  • WHERE YOU SAIDHEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • THIS IS EXACTLY WHATGOD WANTS ME TO DO.
  • 00:09:19.938 --> 00:09:21.306
  • HE WANTS ME UPTHERE IN THE CLOUDS.
  • 00:09:21.373 --> 00:09:22.874
  • - I VERY MUCH FELT LIKEIT WAS WHERE I NEEDED TO BE.
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  • WHEN THAT OPPORTUNITYPRESENTED ITSELF AND I
  • 00:09:25.276 --> 00:09:27.312
  • HAD THE GRADES AND THEQUALIFICATIONS AND THE
  • 00:09:27.379 --> 00:09:30.482
  • NAVY SAID YOU'RE IN, IDID HAVE VERY MUCH FELT
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  • LIKE --BECAUSE I WASENROLLED AS DALLAS
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  • SEMINARY, AND I WAS ONMY WAY TO SEMINARY AND I
  • 00:09:38.957 --> 00:09:41.593
  • TOOK A LITTLE DETOUR ANDENDED UP FLYING IN THE
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  • NAVY, AND WHEN I WALKEDAWAY WITH --
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  • - I SAY THANK YOUFOR THE DETOUR.
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  • - ABSOLUTELY FELT LIKE-- I WAS RIGHT WHERE I
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  • NEEDED TO BE.
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  • - BEING A FEMALE FIGHTERPILOT IN THE NAVY
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  • WAS COMPLICATED.
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  • I CAME FROM A HOME AND ATOWNSHIP WHERE GIRLS DID
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  • WHAT THE GUYS DID, SO IREALLY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT
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  • PIONEERING ANYTHINGBECAUSE I WAS JUST BUSY
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  • WITH THE ORDER OF THEDAY JUST LIKE MY MALE
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  • COUNTERPARTS MEMORIZINGAND FLYING AND WORKING
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  • TOWARDS MISSION CALLS.
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  • TIME IS ALWAYS A GREATPERSPECTIVE GIVER, AND I
  • 00:10:19.431 --> 00:10:22.200
  • DIDN'T REALIZE EVENTHOUGH THE NAVY HAD
  • 00:10:22.267 --> 00:10:26.037
  • OPENED UP TO WOMEN IN1974, I THINK THERE WAS
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  • ONLY ABOUT SIX A YEAR.
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  • THERE JUST WEREN'TVERY MANY WOMEN.
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  • LOOKING BACK, OH MYGOODNESS, I DIDN'T THINK
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  • I WAS THERE IN THATPART OF HISTORY.
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  • AND ALSO THE GENERATIONTHAT WAS SCRUTINIZED TO
  • 00:10:39.617 --> 00:10:43.088
  • SEE IF WOMEN COULDHANDLE COMBAT.
  • 00:10:43.154 --> 00:10:45.490
  • AND THAT WAS MY SWATH.
  • 00:10:45.557 --> 00:10:47.859
  • - TAMMIE JO, WHATA PATH YOU HAD.
  • 00:10:47.926 --> 00:10:50.729
  • I HOW DID YOU END UP -IMEAN, LOOK, COMING TO THE
  • 00:10:50.795 --> 00:10:53.264
  • NAVY YOU HAD THIS DREAMPLANTED IN YOU AS YOU SAID.
  • 00:10:53.331 --> 00:10:57.001
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:10:57.068 --> 00:10:58.770
  • - BUT YOU HAD SOMEOBSTACLES AND FRUSTRATION
  • 00:10:58.837 --> 00:11:00.171
  • ALONG THE WAY.
  • 00:11:00.238 --> 00:11:02.140
  • TELL US, YOU'RE IN HIGHSCHOOL AND YOU ATTEND A --
  • 00:11:02.207 --> 00:11:05.310
  • - CAREER DAY.
  • 00:11:05.376 --> 00:11:06.611
  • - CAREER DAY.
  • 00:11:06.678 --> 00:11:07.946
  • AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
  • 00:11:08.012 --> 00:11:09.314
  • WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN ACRUSHING DISAPPOINTMENT
  • 00:11:09.380 --> 00:11:11.149
  • FOR SOME WHAT HAPPENED TOYOU ON CAREER DAY IN HIGH
  • 00:11:11.216 --> 00:11:13.118
  • SCHOOL TO A DISTINGUISHEDCAREER IN THE NAVY.
  • 00:11:13.184 --> 00:11:15.320
  • - WELL, WENT TO CAREERDAY MY SENIOR YEAR, AND
  • 00:11:15.386 --> 00:11:18.089
  • IT DID NOT TURN OUTTO BE INSPIRATIONAL.
  • 00:11:18.156 --> 00:11:22.994
  • THE COLONEL IN CHARGEASKED ME IF I WAS LOST.
  • 00:11:23.061 --> 00:11:26.664
  • AND I TOLD HIM NO, ISIGNED UP FOR AVIATION.
  • 00:11:26.731 --> 00:11:30.368
  • AND HE SAID WELL, IT'SCAREER DAY, NOT HOBBY DAY
  • 00:11:30.435 --> 00:11:32.604
  • SO YOU NEED TO GO FINDSOMETHING GIRLS CAN DO.
  • 00:11:32.670 --> 00:11:35.373
  • - YOU WERE THE ONLYGIRLS IN THE CLASS.
  • 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:36.875
  • - WELL, I DIDN'T REALIZEIT UNTIL THEN BUT YES, I
  • 00:11:36.941 --> 00:11:38.643
  • LOOKED AROUND ANDTHERE WAS ONLY GUYS.
  • 00:11:38.710 --> 00:11:40.345
  • BUT IT WASN'T OUR SCHOOL.
  • 00:11:40.411 --> 00:11:41.980
  • WE HAD BUSED INTO THISBIG SOPHISTICATED TOWN OF
  • 00:11:42.046 --> 00:11:44.315
  • ALAMOGORDO AND SO I SATDOWN REALLY QUICKLY AND
  • 00:11:44.382 --> 00:11:47.318
  • KEPT QUIET.
  • 00:11:47.385 --> 00:11:49.087
  • BUT IT WAS GREAT BECAUSEI GOT TO LISTEN, AND I
  • 00:11:49.154 --> 00:11:51.389
  • JUST THOUGHT WOW, IT ISABSOLUTELY AS WONDERFUL
  • 00:11:51.456 --> 00:11:55.927
  • AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
  • 00:11:55.994 --> 00:11:57.929
  • HE WAS THE FIRSTPILOT FOR ME TO MEET.
  • 00:11:57.996 --> 00:11:59.731
  • I HADN'T MET A PILOTBEFORE, BUT I WENT HOME
  • 00:11:59.798 --> 00:12:02.934
  • AND TOLD MY FOLKS OH,IT'S TOO BAD GIRLS DON'T
  • 00:12:03.001 --> 00:12:06.237
  • FLY FOR A LIVING.
  • 00:12:06.304 --> 00:12:08.473
  • AND YOU KNOW, THEY WEREUNFAZED NOT IN TELLING ME
  • 00:12:08.540 --> 00:12:10.708
  • OKAY, JUST PUSH ON ANDGET THROUGH THAT BARRIER.
  • 00:12:10.775 --> 00:12:13.578
  • THEY JUST SAID WELL,THEN GO TO PLAN B.
  • 00:12:13.645 --> 00:12:15.914
  • B, C, D, BUT GETAN EDUCATION.
  • 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:18.016
  • AND BE READY.
  • 00:12:18.082 --> 00:12:19.918
  • DON'T SIT STILL WAITINGFOR YOUR DREAM TO COME TRUE.
  • 00:12:19.984 --> 00:12:22.821
  • DON'T SIT STILL BUMPINGUP AGAINST A DOOR THAT'S
  • 00:12:22.887 --> 00:12:25.456
  • NOT OPENING.
  • 00:12:25.523 --> 00:12:27.091
  • KEEP GOING.
  • 00:12:27.158 --> 00:12:28.359
  • KEEP MOVING, AND THATWAS GREAT ADVICE.
  • 00:12:28.426 --> 00:12:31.196
  • I WENT AND GOT MYEDUCATION, AND THEN THE
  • 00:12:31.262 --> 00:12:33.998
  • AIR FORCE WAS ADVERTISINGIN THE LOCAL PAPER THAT
  • 00:12:34.065 --> 00:12:36.801
  • IF YOU HAVE YOUR 4 YEARDEGREE AND YOU WANT TO
  • 00:12:36.868 --> 00:12:39.637
  • FLY, WE WANT UP, SO IWENT IN AND THEY SAID NO,
  • 00:12:39.704 --> 00:12:42.440
  • WE DON'T WANT GIRLS.
  • 00:12:42.507 --> 00:12:44.075
  • AND I WAITED FOR A NEWPERSON TO BE BEHIND THE
  • 00:12:44.142 --> 00:12:46.010
  • DESK, AND THENI WENT IN AGAIN.
  • 00:12:46.077 --> 00:12:48.046
  • HE SAID NO, WEDON'T NEED GIRLS.
  • 00:12:48.112 --> 00:12:49.614
  • SO I CUT OUT THE AD INTHE PAPER AND TOOK IT IN
  • 00:12:49.681 --> 00:12:52.116
  • AND THEY WERE LIKE OKAY,DO YOU HAVE A BROTHER
  • 00:12:52.183 --> 00:12:54.953
  • THAT WANTS TO FLY?
  • 00:12:55.019 --> 00:12:56.754
  • I SAID, NO.
  • 00:12:56.821 --> 00:12:58.690
  • THE ARMY LISTENED TO ME.
  • 00:12:58.756 --> 00:13:00.925
  • I FOUND OUT THE ARMYHAD HELICOPTERS AND
  • 00:13:00.992 --> 00:13:05.163
  • AIRPLANES, AND THIS ISBEFORE GOOGLE, SO YOU
  • 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:07.599
  • KIND OF HAVE TO GO BYWHAT PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY
  • 00:13:07.665 --> 00:13:09.701
  • TELL YOU.
  • 00:13:09.767 --> 00:13:11.236
  • AND THEY SAID YOUARE NOT A FIT FOR US.
  • 00:13:11.302 --> 00:13:13.238
  • AND ABOUT THAT TIME MYGIRLFRIEND, SHE WAS IN
  • 00:13:13.304 --> 00:13:15.740
  • THE AIR FORCE BUT SHESAID GO TRY THE NAVY.
  • 00:13:15.807 --> 00:13:18.443
  • THEY HAVE AIRPLANES.
  • 00:13:18.509 --> 00:13:20.478
  • - WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHTWHEN YOU THINK OF THE
  • 00:13:20.545 --> 00:13:22.513
  • NAVY YOU THINK OF --- SHIPS.
  • 00:13:22.580 --> 00:13:24.082
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:13:24.148 --> 00:13:25.650
  • - AND THERE WEREN'TMANY IN NEW MEXICO.
  • 00:13:25.717 --> 00:13:26.684
  • - WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
  • 00:13:26.751 --> 00:13:28.486
  • - NEW MEXICO IS FAIRLYLAND LOCKED AND LOW IN
  • 00:13:28.553 --> 00:13:30.421
  • WATER SO SHIPS WERENOT A DRAW FOR ME.
  • 00:13:30.488 --> 00:13:33.691
  • BUT IT TOOK ME TWO YEARSTO FIND -- I TOOK THE TEST.
  • 00:13:33.758 --> 00:13:37.262
  • THE NAVY LET ME TAKETHE TEST, BUT THEN THE
  • 00:13:37.328 --> 00:13:38.496
  • RECRUITERS SAID NO, WEDON'T WANT FEMALES.
  • 00:13:38.563 --> 00:13:44.269
  • I THINK THEY JUST DIDN'TWANT -- I DON'T KNOW WHY
  • 00:13:44.335 --> 00:13:47.338
  • THEY SAID NO, BUT THEYSAID NO, AND THEN TWO
  • 00:13:47.405 --> 00:13:50.575
  • YEARS INTO IT -- I MEAN,I'M STILL WORK THREE
  • 00:13:50.642 --> 00:13:53.144
  • JOBS, INTERVIEWING.
  • 00:13:53.211 --> 00:13:55.113
  • I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL,GRAD SCHOOL, AND FINALLY
  • 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:57.148
  • FOUND ONE THAT WOULDTAKE MY APPLICATION.
  • 00:13:57.215 --> 00:14:00.985
  • AND SO IT WAS MAYBE THATWAS JANUARY, AND THEN IN
  • 00:14:01.052 --> 00:14:05.290
  • MARCH I WAS DOWN IN BOOTCAMP GETTING MY HEAD
  • 00:14:05.356 --> 00:14:08.059
  • SHAVED ANDDOING PUSH-UPS.
  • 00:14:08.126 --> 00:14:10.328
  • WHICH ALL WENTTO FLIGHT SCHOOL.
  • 00:14:10.395 --> 00:14:12.096
  • - AND THROUGHOUT THATPROCESS I MEAN, YOU'VE
  • 00:14:12.163 --> 00:14:15.366
  • DESCRIBED HOW YOU HADPERSON PEOPLE WHO WOULD
  • 00:14:15.433 --> 00:14:18.436
  • KIND OF GET UNDER YOURSKIN AND DIDN'T WANT TO
  • 00:14:18.503 --> 00:14:20.405
  • GIVE YOU A CHANCE.
  • 00:14:20.471 --> 00:14:21.873
  • - OH, YES.
  • 00:14:21.940 --> 00:14:23.441
  • - BECAUSE YOUWERE A FEMALE.
  • 00:14:23.508 --> 00:14:25.076
  • TELL US ABOUT SOME OFTHOSE FOLKS, SOME OF THE
  • 00:14:25.143 --> 00:14:26.878
  • PARTICULAR -- I KNOW YOUCAN'T NAME THEM BY NAME
  • 00:14:26.945 --> 00:14:28.846
  • BUT YOU HAD SOMEREALLY TOUGH GOING IN
  • 00:14:28.913 --> 00:14:30.782
  • THAT EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:14:30.848 --> 00:14:32.650
  • - I PROBABLY COULD NAMETHEM BY NAME, BUT I'VE
  • 00:14:32.717 --> 00:14:34.452
  • DECIDED GOOD GUYS NAMED.
  • 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.321
  • BAD GUYS DON'T.
  • 00:14:36.387 --> 00:14:38.156
  • [LAUGHTER] AND IT'SKIND OF INTERESTING
  • 00:14:38.222 --> 00:14:40.124
  • BECAUSE SOME OF THE BADGUYS SET ME UP IN A WAY
  • 00:14:40.191 --> 00:14:44.095
  • THAT I'VE USED A LOT OFTHAT TRAINING, GETTING
  • 00:14:44.162 --> 00:14:47.865
  • THROUGH THAT TIME,THAT VALLEY WITH THEM.
  • 00:14:47.932 --> 00:14:54.372
  • - THAT ADVERSITY.
  • 00:14:54.439 --> 00:14:56.341
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE ONE OF AHANDFUL OF WOMEN THERE.
  • 00:14:56.407 --> 00:14:57.575
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:14:57.642 --> 00:14:59.077
  • WELL, I WAS THE ONLYWOMAN IN MY SQUAD.
  • 00:14:59.143 --> 00:15:00.645
  • IT WAS A FIRST THREESQUADRON, AND THEN
  • 00:15:00.712 --> 00:15:02.547
  • WHENEVER I INSTRUCTED INTHE 4TH SQUADRON THERE
  • 00:15:02.613 --> 00:15:04.615
  • WAS ONE WOMAN A YEARTHAT WENT THROUGH AS A
  • 00:15:04.682 --> 00:15:06.484
  • STUDENT, SO THEREWERE NOT MANY WOMEN.
  • 00:15:06.551 --> 00:15:09.020
  • I DIDN'T REALIZE THATWHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET IN.
  • 00:15:09.087 --> 00:15:11.990
  • OF COURSE BEING TOLD NOBECAUSE YOU'RE A GIRL
  • 00:15:12.056 --> 00:15:14.125
  • GIVES YOU A CLUE.
  • 00:15:14.192 --> 00:15:16.527
  • YOU KNOW, IN COLLEGE YOULOOK LEFT AND RIGHT AND
  • 00:15:16.594 --> 00:15:18.396
  • THERE'S GUYS AND GIRLSEVERYWHERE, BUT ONE OF
  • 00:15:18.463 --> 00:15:20.898
  • THE COMMANDING OFFICERSWHEN I WAS AN INSTRUCTOR,
  • 00:15:20.965 --> 00:15:23.634
  • HE PULLED MY GUN CALL.
  • 00:15:23.701 --> 00:15:27.305
  • I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GETMY INSTRUCTOR GUN CALL,
  • 00:15:27.372 --> 00:15:29.774
  • GET STARTED ON IT.
  • 00:15:29.841 --> 00:15:32.010
  • AND HE PULLED IT WHEN HEBECAME COMMANDING OFFICER
  • 00:15:32.076 --> 00:15:35.213
  • AND HE SAID NO GUNS ANDGIRLS IN MY SQUADRON,
  • 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.749
  • AND THAT WAS THE CREME DELA CREME OF INSTRUCTING
  • 00:15:37.815 --> 00:15:42.353
  • IN T2'S AT THE TIME,SO I WAS HEARTBROKEN.
  • 00:15:42.420 --> 00:15:44.922
  • AND INSTEAD HE SENT ME TOFLY AT A CONTROL FLIGHT
  • 00:15:44.989 --> 00:15:47.792
  • WHICH NOBODY EVEN WANTEDTO DO THE ONE REQUIRED
  • 00:15:47.859 --> 00:15:50.895
  • LET ALONE TEACHIT EVERY DAY.
  • 00:15:50.962 --> 00:15:52.964
  • AND THAT ONE YEAR OFGOING UP AND GOING OUT OF
  • 00:15:53.031 --> 00:15:56.467
  • CONTROL AND RECOVERINGAND SPIN AND RECOVER,
  • 00:15:56.534 --> 00:16:00.405
  • EVEN A SPIRAL ONCE ANDRECOVER, ON THAT DAY A
  • 00:16:00.471 --> 00:16:03.708
  • YEAR AND A HALF AGO THATWAS SOME OF THE BEST
  • 00:16:03.775 --> 00:16:07.211
  • TRAINING I HAD WAS NOTBEING TOO STARTLED WHEN
  • 00:16:07.278 --> 00:16:10.815
  • AN AIRCRAFT DOESN'T DOWHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
  • 00:16:10.882 --> 00:16:15.119
  • - I THINK WE EACH HAVE ALITTLE BIT OF A SPARK IN
  • 00:16:15.186 --> 00:16:17.488
  • US THAT WE'RE BORN WITH,AND IT KIND OF DRAWS US
  • 00:16:17.555 --> 00:16:20.258
  • ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.
  • 00:16:20.324 --> 00:16:22.627
  • IN FACT, RECENTLY WITHMY GROWN AND MARRIED
  • 00:16:22.693 --> 00:16:25.730
  • DAUGHTER WHO IS EXPECTINGONE OF THE THINGS IS SHE
  • 00:16:25.797 --> 00:16:28.900
  • SAID WAS MOM, I REALLYAM NOT LIKE YOU.
  • 00:16:28.966 --> 00:16:31.569
  • I WANT TO BE ASTAY-AT-HOME MOM, AND I
  • 00:16:31.636 --> 00:16:34.872
  • TOLD HER SYDNEY, THAT ISA NOBLE AND LOFTY GOAL.
  • 00:16:34.939 --> 00:16:38.276
  • THAT'S NOT A JUST GOAL.
  • 00:16:38.342 --> 00:16:41.145
  • SO THERE'S DIFFERENTTHINGS THAT WE'RE ALL
  • 00:16:41.212 --> 00:16:43.514
  • DRAWN TO, BUT THEY STILLREQUIRE ALL OF US WHETHER
  • 00:16:43.581 --> 00:16:46.884
  • YOU'RE A STAY-AT-HOMEMOM AND YOU'RE BASICALLY
  • 00:16:46.951 --> 00:16:49.754
  • RUNNING THE BUSINESS OFTHE HOUSE AS WELL AS THE
  • 00:16:49.821 --> 00:16:52.390
  • HEART OF THE HOME, THATIS A HUGE TASK, AND SO
  • 00:16:52.457 --> 00:16:55.693
  • YOU DON'T PREPARE ANYLESS FOR THAT THAN WHAT
  • 00:16:55.760 --> 00:16:58.429
  • YOU DO TO GO BE A NAVYFIGHTER PILOT OR AN
  • 00:16:58.496 --> 00:17:00.998
  • AIRLINE PILOT OR APOLITICIAN, A DOCTOR,
  • 00:17:01.065 --> 00:17:04.902
  • A TEACHER.
  • 00:17:04.969 --> 00:17:06.737
  • WHATEVER WE'RE CALLED TODO, I THINK WE'RE CALLED
  • 00:17:06.804 --> 00:17:08.773
  • TO DO IT WITH ALL OURHEART, WITH ALL OUR MIGHT.
  • 00:17:08.840 --> 00:17:11.242
  • - YOU MENTIONEDSOME OF THE BAD GUYS.
  • 00:17:11.309 --> 00:17:13.211
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:17:13.277 --> 00:17:15.046
  • - YOU MET ONE OF THEGOOD GUYS DURING YOUR
  • 00:17:15.113 --> 00:17:17.081
  • TIME IN THE NAVY BECAUSEYOU'RE SITTING HERE.
  • 00:17:17.148 --> 00:17:19.117
  • YOU'RE LISTENING,WAITING PATIENTLY.
  • 00:17:19.183 --> 00:17:21.018
  • SO HOW DID YOU GUYSMEET IN THE NAVY?
  • 00:17:21.085 --> 00:17:22.620
  • - WELL, WE ACTUALLY METAT CHURCH WHEN I DROVE
  • 00:17:22.687 --> 00:17:25.523
  • INTO BEEVILLE, TEXASTO START JET TRAINING.
  • 00:17:25.590 --> 00:17:30.161
  • GOT THERE ON A SATURDAY,SUNDAY DECIDED I'LL FIND
  • 00:17:30.228 --> 00:17:32.363
  • A CHURCH BECAUSE I'MGOING TO BE HERE
  • 00:17:32.430 --> 00:17:33.731
  • FOR A YEAR.
  • 00:17:33.798 --> 00:17:35.366
  • OPENED THE YELLOW PAGESFOR PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER
  • 00:17:35.433 --> 00:17:37.768
  • WHAT YELLOW PAGES ARE,AND WALKED INTO A LITTLE
  • 00:17:37.835 --> 00:17:39.570
  • NEW LIFE BAPTIST CHURCH,AND SITTING IN THE CHOIR
  • 00:17:39.637 --> 00:17:42.740
  • LOFT WAS THIS.
  • 00:17:42.807 --> 00:17:45.343
  • AND I THOUGHT I LIKE NEWLIFE BAPTIST CHURCH.
  • 00:17:45.409 --> 00:17:48.813
  • [LAUGHTER] SO I WASINTRODUCED THAT DAY BUT
  • 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.016
  • THE GUY WHO INTRODUCEDUS LEFT OUT A REALLY
  • 00:17:52.083 --> 00:17:54.152
  • IMPORTANT DETAIL THAT IWOULD FIND OUT THE NEXT
  • 00:17:54.218 --> 00:17:57.121
  • DAY, THAT SHE WAS ONE OFMY FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS
  • 00:17:57.188 --> 00:17:59.724
  • IN THE NAVY.
  • 00:17:59.790 --> 00:18:01.726
  • - WOW.
  • 00:18:01.792 --> 00:18:02.960
  • HOW DID THAT GO?
  • 00:18:03.027 --> 00:18:05.129
  • YOU KIND OF HELD HISDESTINY IN YOUR HAND A
  • 00:18:05.196 --> 00:18:07.298
  • LITTLE BIT.
  • 00:18:07.365 --> 00:18:08.599
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:08.666 --> 00:18:09.867
  • - THERE WAS A ROOMFULL OF 160 NAVY PILOTS
  • 00:18:09.934 --> 00:18:11.836
  • AND ONE THEM WAS A FEMALEAND THERE SHE WAS.
  • 00:18:11.903 --> 00:18:16.307
  • - NOW DID YOU GUYSHIT IT OFF RIGHT AWAY?
  • 00:18:16.374 --> 00:18:18.476
  • WAS THERE AN INSTANTCONNECTION OR WAS IT
  • 00:18:18.543 --> 00:18:20.077
  • KIND OF A SLOW BUILD?
  • 00:18:20.144 --> 00:18:21.679
  • - IT IS KIND OF FUNNYBECAUSE COMMANDER GRANT
  • 00:18:21.746 --> 00:18:23.948
  • WHO WAS A GREAT GUY, WESTILL KEEP IN TOUCH,
  • 00:18:24.015 --> 00:18:27.084
  • SO I TOLD HIM WEWERE NOT DATING.
  • 00:18:27.151 --> 00:18:28.986
  • I TOLD HIM I NEEDED TOSPEAK TO HIM AND HE GOES
  • 00:18:29.053 --> 00:18:31.689
  • OKAY, AND I SHUT THEDOOR AND HE GOES WHOA,
  • 00:18:31.756 --> 00:18:33.758
  • WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? I SAIDWELL IT'S ABOUT A GUY.
  • 00:18:33.824 --> 00:18:36.160
  • HE WENT OH, NO.
  • 00:18:36.227 --> 00:18:37.695
  • HE PUT DOWN HIS PEN, HEPUSHED BACK FROM HIS
  • 00:18:37.762 --> 00:18:39.397
  • DESK, AND I SAIDNO, IT'S, HE,
  • 00:18:39.463 --> 00:18:43.734
  • HE'S A STUDENTIN OUR SQUADRON,
  • 00:18:43.801 --> 00:18:45.603
  • BUT WE GO TO THE SAMECHURCH AND BIBLE STUDY AND
  • 00:18:45.670 --> 00:18:47.638
  • PLAY RACQUETBALL TOGETHER,AND HE'S NOT ASKED ME OUT,
  • 00:18:47.705 --> 00:18:50.141
  • BUT I THINK HE MIGHT, SOI'M JUST WANTING TO CHECK
  • 00:18:50.208 --> 00:18:53.844
  • WITH YOU WHAT'S THE RIGHTPROTOCOL BECAUSE I DON'T
  • 00:18:53.911 --> 00:18:56.180
  • WANT TO CAUSE ANYSCANDALS OF GIRLS COMING
  • 00:18:56.247 --> 00:18:58.249
  • BEHIND ME ORAS A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:18:58.316 --> 00:19:01.085
  • AND HE SAID WELL, INORDER FOR THERE TO BE A
  • 00:19:01.152 --> 00:19:04.522
  • SCANDAL, THERE MUST BESOMEONE IMPORTANT INVOLVED.
  • 00:19:04.589 --> 00:19:08.659
  • AND I WAS WAITINGFOR THE PUNCH LINE.
  • 00:19:08.726 --> 00:19:12.396
  • HE GOES NOW IF IDATED A STUDENT,
  • 00:19:12.463 --> 00:19:14.732
  • THAT WOULD BE A SCANDAL.I'M THE COMMANDING OFFICER,
  • 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.201
  • I'M MARRIED, YOU'RE NEITHER.
  • 00:19:17.268 --> 00:19:19.637
  • - PRESSURE'S OFF.
  • 00:19:19.704 --> 00:19:21.872
  • - HE SAID DON'T KISSIN THE SQUADRON SPACES.
  • 00:19:21.939 --> 00:19:24.475
  • BUT WE ACTUALLY JUSTDATED UNDER THE RADAR.
  • 00:19:24.542 --> 00:19:28.879
  • - HERE'S THEKEY QUESTION,
  • 00:19:28.946 --> 00:19:30.815
  • YOU WERE THE INSTRUCTOR,DEAN WAS THE STUDENT,
  • 00:19:30.881 --> 00:19:34.452
  • DID HE GET A PASSINGGRADE? HOW DID HE DO?
  • 00:19:34.518 --> 00:19:37.021
  • WAS THIS A TOUGHINSTRUCTOR?
  • 00:19:37.088 --> 00:19:39.590
  • - HE WOULD HAVETO ANSWER THAT.
  • 00:19:39.657 --> 00:19:41.692
  • WE REALLY JUST DID ACROSS COUNTRY TOGETHER,
  • 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.029
  • SO I WASN'T HISASSIGNED INSTRUCTOR,
  • 00:19:45.096 --> 00:19:47.265
  • BUT EVERY TIME ITELL THIS STORY,
  • 00:19:47.331 --> 00:19:48.899
  • IT'S A LITTLEFISHIER EVERY TIME,
  • 00:19:48.966 --> 00:19:50.935
  • BUT HE CALLED AND ASKEDIF I WOULD BE HIS
  • 00:19:51.002 --> 00:19:54.472
  • INSTRUCTOR FOR A CROSSCOUNTRY WHICH IS A
  • 00:19:54.538 --> 00:19:56.173
  • REQUIRED FLIGHT, AND HISDAD OWNED THE PLACE UP BY
  • 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.310
  • THE SKI AREA IN RUIDOSO,NEW MEXICO WHERE I GREW
  • 00:19:59.377 --> 00:20:01.912
  • UP, AND I SAID SURE.
  • 00:20:01.979 --> 00:20:04.382
  • HE SAID YEAH, THERE'SFOUR AIRPLANES GOING,
  • 00:20:04.448 --> 00:20:07.084
  • THREE OF MY ROOMMATESAND THEIR INSTRUCTORS.
  • 00:20:07.151 --> 00:20:10.655
  • SO I'M THINKING OKAY,EIGHT OF US, NO PROBLEM.
  • 00:20:10.721 --> 00:20:13.924
  • AND THE NIGHT BEFORE,EVERYONE CALLED AND
  • 00:20:13.991 --> 00:20:16.694
  • CANCELED BUT DEAN.
  • 00:20:16.761 --> 00:20:21.232
  • - STILL PAYINGTHOSE GUYS OFF.
  • 00:20:21.299 --> 00:20:23.167
  • - I WAS GONNA SAY.
  • 00:20:23.234 --> 00:20:25.036
  • - I THOUGHT HE WASAWFULLY CHARMING,
  • 00:20:25.102 --> 00:20:27.071
  • BUT HE NEEDED TO BE BECAUSEHE WAS BEING GRADED.
  • 00:20:27.138 --> 00:20:29.140
  • AND 31 YEARS LATER,HE'S VERY CHARMING AND
  • 00:20:29.206 --> 00:20:31.642
  • HE'S NOT BEING GRADED.
  • 00:20:31.709 --> 00:20:33.444
  • - HE EARNED THAT GRADE.
  • 00:20:33.511 --> 00:20:35.079
  • - THIRTY-ONE YEARS LATER,
  • 00:20:35.146 --> 00:20:36.213
  • SHE'S STILL TEACHINGME STUFF SO.
  • 00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:38.416
  • - ALL OF OUR WIVES.
  • 00:20:38.482 --> 00:20:39.917
  • - YES, YES. KEY TOA HAPPY MARRIAGE.
  • 00:20:39.984 --> 00:20:42.853
  • - WE DISCUSSED OBVIOUSLYGENDER BARRIER THERE
  • 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.023
  • WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNADWELL ON IT TOO MUCH
  • 00:20:46.090 --> 00:20:48.259
  • BUT WHEN YOU'REJOINING THE NAVY,
  • 00:20:48.326 --> 00:20:50.127
  • THERE WAS A GENDER BARRIER.
  • 00:20:50.194 --> 00:20:51.962
  • TELL US SOME OF THEWAYS YOU OVERCAME THAT.
  • 00:20:52.029 --> 00:20:54.932
  • - IN A LOT OF WAYS, ITWAS LIKE HAVING BROTHERS,
  • 00:20:54.999 --> 00:20:58.369
  • MAYBE A HUNDRED OR SO,AND SO THERE WAS SOME
  • 00:20:58.436 --> 00:21:01.605
  • GOOD, SOME BAD, BUT THENEVERY SO OFTEN THERE WAS
  • 00:21:01.672 --> 00:21:04.508
  • UGLY. BUT FIRST OF ALL, THEREWERE SOME PRINCES AMONG
  • 00:21:04.575 --> 00:21:07.945
  • MEN THAT I SERVEDWITH AND THAT WERE MY
  • 00:21:08.012 --> 00:21:10.614
  • INSTRUCTORS, THATI INSTRUCTED,
  • 00:21:10.681 --> 00:21:14.151
  • SO I HONESTLY WOULD HAVETO REMIND MYSELF THAT
  • 00:21:14.218 --> 00:21:17.988
  • THERE'S ALL KINDS OFPERSONALITIES AND
  • 00:21:18.055 --> 00:21:21.025
  • CHARACTERS INTHE SAME WORLD.
  • 00:21:21.092 --> 00:21:24.428
  • BUT WHEN I HAD TO FALLBACK AND DEAL WITH THEM
  • 00:21:24.495 --> 00:21:26.163
  • HEAD ON, BECAUSE IHONESTLY OFTEN--WELL,
  • 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:28.733
  • I ALWAYS PUT IT BEFORETHE LORD AND SAID IS THIS
  • 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:32.169
  • A TIME TO DIG A FOXHOLE OR PUT UP A FORT?
  • 00:21:32.236 --> 00:21:35.239
  • BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GOTHROUGH THIS JUNGLE IN A
  • 00:21:35.306 --> 00:21:39.076
  • WAY THAT YOU CAN STILLHAVE SOME CAMARADERIE SO
  • 00:21:39.143 --> 00:21:43.114
  • YOU'RE NOT JUST BLINDLYCHOMPING A TRAIL WITH A
  • 00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:45.683
  • MACHETE. YOU'RE TRYING TOPICK AND CHOOSE YOUR PATH.
  • 00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:49.253
  • AND THAT WAS KINDOF ALL BY ITSELF,
  • 00:21:49.320 --> 00:21:51.522
  • PLUS I'M TRYING TO LEARNJETS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
  • 00:21:51.589 --> 00:21:54.158
  • BUT HAVING THE LORD TOBOUNCE THAT OFF OF AND
  • 00:21:54.225 --> 00:21:58.396
  • FAMILY THAT ARE GROUNDEDIN THE LORD SO THAT I'M
  • 00:21:58.462 --> 00:22:01.932
  • GETTING SCRIPTURE, ANDI'M GETTING SCRIPTURE
  • 00:22:01.999 --> 00:22:06.971
  • THROUGH MY FAMILY, I FEELLIKE THE LORD KIND OF
  • 00:22:07.037 --> 00:22:09.340
  • BOILED IT DOWNTO TWO THINGS.
  • 00:22:09.407 --> 00:22:11.409
  • MY WORTH IS IN CHRIST'SEYES, NOT ANYONE ELSE'S.
  • 00:22:11.475 --> 00:22:15.346
  • WHAT I DO IS DIFFERENTTHAN WHO I AM,
  • 00:22:15.413 --> 00:22:18.115
  • SO IF I WASH OUT OF THEPROGRAM AND I'M NOT A
  • 00:22:18.182 --> 00:22:20.885
  • NAVY PILOT, I'M STILLWHO GOD MADE ME.
  • 00:22:20.951 --> 00:22:23.854
  • THAT'S WHAT I DO.THAT'S NOT WHO I AM.
  • 00:22:23.921 --> 00:22:26.090
  • ALSO, DO I HAVETHE MOTIVE?
  • 00:22:26.157 --> 00:22:29.126
  • DO I HAVE THERIGHT MOTIVE?
  • 00:22:29.193 --> 00:22:30.694
  • I LOOK AT WHAT THEIRMOTIVE IS AND IT'S NOT
  • 00:22:30.761 --> 00:22:32.630
  • VERY NOBLE SO ICAN DISMISS IT.
  • 00:22:32.696 --> 00:22:34.832
  • IS MY MOTIVE NOBLE?
  • 00:22:34.899 --> 00:22:37.601
  • AM I BEING PIGHEADEDABOUT SOMETHING?
  • 00:22:37.668 --> 00:22:39.703
  • SO I HAVE TO REVIEW MYOWN MOTIVE AND MY MERIT.
  • 00:22:39.770 --> 00:22:44.275
  • AM I GOOD ENOUGH TO BEHERE BECAUSE IF I'M NOT,
  • 00:22:44.341 --> 00:22:46.277
  • I'M NOT DOINGANYBODY ANY GOOD,
  • 00:22:46.343 --> 00:22:48.045
  • THE NAVY OR THE GIRLSWHO COME BEHIND ME.
  • 00:22:48.112 --> 00:22:50.214
  • SO THOSE ARE THE TWO KINDOF BOIL IT DOWN TO TWO
  • 00:22:50.281 --> 00:22:54.185
  • QUESTIONS BEFOREI GO TO BED,
  • 00:22:54.251 --> 00:22:55.820
  • AND IF I CAN ANSWER THOSEHONESTLY, AFFIRMATIVELY,
  • 00:22:55.886 --> 00:22:59.623
  • THEN I TURN THE LIGHTOFF AND GO TO SLEEP.
  • 00:22:59.690 --> 00:23:01.592
  • - YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:23:01.659 --> 00:23:02.827
  • NOW DEAN, YOU SAW TAMMIEJO GOING THROUGH SOME OF
  • 00:23:02.893 --> 00:23:05.563
  • THESE TRIALS ANDTRIBULATIONS UNJUSTLY,
  • 00:23:05.629 --> 00:23:08.399
  • AND SHE WAS AGREAT PILOT,
  • 00:23:08.466 --> 00:23:10.568
  • AND YOU PROBABLY HEARDSOME OF THE STORIES.
  • 00:23:10.634 --> 00:23:13.070
  • THERE HAD TO BE SOMERIGHTEOUS ANGER ON YOUR
  • 00:23:13.137 --> 00:23:15.406
  • PART, I'M SURE, BUT HOWDID YOU DEAL WITH THAT?
  • 00:23:15.473 --> 00:23:18.142
  • HOW DID YOU ENCOURAGETAMMIE JO
  • 00:23:18.209 --> 00:23:19.510
  • THROUGH THE TOUGH TIMES?
  • 00:23:19.577 --> 00:23:21.145
  • - WELL, THAT'S THEKEYWORD IS ENCOURAGE
  • 00:23:21.212 --> 00:23:25.015
  • BECAUSE IN THE MILITARY,I WAS JUNIOR TO TAMMIE
  • 00:23:25.082 --> 00:23:28.452
  • JO, AND SOMETIMES WE WEREIN THE SAME SQUADRON,
  • 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.155
  • SOMETIMES NOT WHEN SHEWAS GOING THROUGH SOME OF
  • 00:23:31.222 --> 00:23:33.190
  • THIS, SO OFTENTIMES FROMA WORK PERSPECTIVE,
  • 00:23:33.257 --> 00:23:37.194
  • THERE WAS NOTHING I COULDDO OTHER THAN AT HOME
  • 00:23:37.261 --> 00:23:40.931
  • BEING HER CHEERLEADER.FRANKLY, SOMETIMES
  • 00:23:40.998 --> 00:23:44.401
  • I DID WELL AT THAT ANDSOMETIMES I DIDN'T.
  • 00:23:44.468 --> 00:23:47.605
  • - IT'S GOT TO BE AHELPLESS FEELING.
  • 00:23:47.671 --> 00:23:49.807
  • - I HAVE TO INTERJECT HEREAND TELL YOU ONE THING
  • 00:23:49.874 --> 00:23:51.976
  • THAT HE DID, HE SAID ONETIME THAT WAS SO TOUCHING
  • 00:23:52.042 --> 00:23:55.513
  • AND I REMEMBER IT, IMEAN, 25 YEARS LATER.
  • 00:23:55.579 --> 00:23:58.749
  • IT'S STILL MYGO-TO FROM HIM.
  • 00:23:58.816 --> 00:24:01.085
  • ONE NIGHT I HAVE TOADMIT I WAS IN TEARS,
  • 00:24:01.151 --> 00:24:03.387
  • JUST AND HE SAIDWHAT'S WRONG?
  • 00:24:03.454 --> 00:24:07.458
  • I MEAN HE KNEW WHAT THEBIG PICTURE WAS WRONG,
  • 00:24:07.525 --> 00:24:09.260
  • BUT WHY ARE YOU CRYING?
  • 00:24:09.326 --> 00:24:11.061
  • AND I SAID I JUST CAN'TGET MY MIND OFF THE BAD
  • 00:24:11.128 --> 00:24:13.764
  • GUYS. AND HE GOES THINKABOUT ME, I'M A GOOD GUY.
  • 00:24:13.831 --> 00:24:17.067
  • AND I THOUGHT OKAY,BREATH OF FRESH AIR
  • 00:24:17.134 --> 00:24:19.703
  • AND I JUST REMEMBER THAT.
  • 00:24:19.770 --> 00:24:21.605
  • - THIS IN ALL MODESTY.
  • 00:24:21.672 --> 00:24:22.973
  • - YES, YES.
  • 00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:24.074
  • - IN ALL MODESTY.
  • 00:24:24.141 --> 00:24:25.409
  • - HE IS A GOOD GUY, FOLKS.
  • 00:24:25.476 --> 00:24:27.044
  • I WANTED TO TELL YOU ALITTLE TAMMIE JO SHULTS
  • 00:24:27.111 --> 00:24:30.281
  • STORY OF MYOWN REAL QUICK.
  • 00:24:30.347 --> 00:24:31.682
  • A LITTLE WHILE AGO, TBNASKED ME TO INTERVIEW
  • 00:24:31.749 --> 00:24:34.051
  • YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TOINTERVIEW TAMMIE JO SHULTS.
  • 00:24:34.118 --> 00:24:35.953
  • I SAID OF COURSE.
  • 00:24:36.020 --> 00:24:37.288
  • AND I PULLED UP ON THELAPTOP YOUR WEBSITE AND
  • 00:24:37.354 --> 00:24:39.490
  • JUST RESEARCHING, ACOLLEAGUE OF MINE WALKED
  • 00:24:39.557 --> 00:24:41.892
  • BY, PEEKED OVER MYSHOULDER AT WHAT WAS ON
  • 00:24:41.959 --> 00:24:43.961
  • THE LAPTOP ANDSAID OH, MY GOSH,
  • 00:24:44.028 --> 00:24:45.796
  • TAMMIE JO SHULTS ISONE OF MY HEROES.
  • 00:24:45.863 --> 00:24:48.198
  • I SAID WELL GUESS WHAT,I'M ABOUT TO INTERVIEW
  • 00:24:48.265 --> 00:24:49.934
  • HER FOR TBN. SHESAID OH, MY GOSH!
  • 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.303
  • SHE'S SUCH ANINSPIRATION.
  • 00:24:52.369 --> 00:24:53.771
  • SHE'S STUDYING TOBECOME A PILOT.
  • 00:24:53.837 --> 00:24:55.539
  • - EXCELLENT!
  • 00:24:55.606 --> 00:24:57.241
  • - SO I WANT TO TELL YOUTHAT PERSONAL STORY.
  • 00:24:57.308 --> 00:25:00.144
  • I SAID WOW, OKAY, THIS ISA SIGN I REALLY NEED TO
  • 00:25:00.210 --> 00:25:02.680
  • DO THIS INTERVIEW, ANDI'M GLAD I'M DOING IT,
  • 00:25:02.746 --> 00:25:04.815
  • BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOWYOU'RE INSPIRING PEOPLE.
  • 00:25:04.882 --> 00:25:06.617
  • THAT WAS JUST A RANDOMPERSON WALKING BY,
  • 00:25:06.684 --> 00:25:08.786
  • PEEKED ON MY LAPTOPAND TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:25:08.852 --> 00:25:10.988
  • HOW YOU INSPIRED HER.
  • 00:25:11.055 --> 00:25:12.456
  • - WELL, AND I HAVE TOSAY A BOOK WAS MY INITIAL
  • 00:25:12.523 --> 00:25:15.426
  • INSPIRATION, BUT ICOULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW
  • 00:25:15.492 --> 00:25:18.228
  • TO GET IN UNTIL I MET ANAIR FORCE PILOT THAT WAS
  • 00:25:18.295 --> 00:25:22.433
  • A LADY, AND I WAS JUSTSHOCKED BECAUSE THEY'D
  • 00:25:22.499 --> 00:25:25.269
  • BEEN TELLING ME FOR EIGHTYEARS THAT WOMEN DON'T DO
  • 00:25:25.336 --> 00:25:28.606
  • IT, AND I DIDN'T HAVETHE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE
  • 00:25:28.672 --> 00:25:31.008
  • BOOKS LET ALONETHE LESSONS,
  • 00:25:31.075 --> 00:25:32.476
  • SO IT WAS MILITARYOR NOTHING.
  • 00:25:32.543 --> 00:25:34.278
  • SO IT WAS JUST SEEINGSOMEBODY ELSE THAT WAS
  • 00:25:34.345 --> 00:25:36.480
  • KIND OF WEARING SKIN LIKEMINE THAT INSPIRED ME TO
  • 00:25:36.547 --> 00:25:39.783
  • GO OKAY, THERE IS APLACE UNDER THE FENCE
  • 00:25:39.850 --> 00:25:41.619
  • I CAN CRAWL TO GET IN.
  • 00:25:41.685 --> 00:25:44.121
  • - WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOUHAVE FOR MY COLLEAGUE AND
  • 00:25:44.188 --> 00:25:47.491
  • PEOPLE LIKE THAT, YOUNGLADIES LIKE THAT,
  • 00:25:47.558 --> 00:25:49.793
  • WHAT ADVICE WOULDYOU GIVE THEM ABOUT
  • 00:25:49.860 --> 00:25:52.162
  • PURSUING THEIR PASSIONS?
  • 00:25:52.229 --> 00:25:54.098
  • - WELL, I WOULD SEPARATEMY ADVICE ABOUT FLYING
  • 00:25:54.164 --> 00:25:58.669
  • AND FOLLOWING YOUR PASSIONS.
  • 00:25:58.736 --> 00:26:00.504
  • MIKE ROWE, I WOULD HAVETO QUOTE HIM HERE BECAUSE
  • 00:26:00.571 --> 00:26:02.606
  • HE SAYS YOU MAY NOT BEABLE TO FOLLOW YOUR
  • 00:26:02.673 --> 00:26:05.943
  • PASSION, BUT DON'TLEAVE IT BEHIND.
  • 00:26:06.010 --> 00:26:08.045
  • SOMETIMES DREAMSARE TO BE HOBBIES,
  • 00:26:08.112 --> 00:26:10.648
  • AND SOMETIMES DREAMS ARETO BE OUR WORK AND OUR
  • 00:26:10.714 --> 00:26:14.752
  • MISSION, BUT IF YOU'REINTERESTED IN FLYING,
  • 00:26:14.818 --> 00:26:16.754
  • THIS IS THE BEST TIME INHISTORY AND THIS IS THE
  • 00:26:16.820 --> 00:26:20.791
  • BEST PLACE IN THEWORLD TO DO IT.
  • 00:26:20.858 --> 00:26:23.093
  • THERE'S A PILOT SHORTAGE.
  • 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.329
  • THERE'S SCHOLARSHIPSOUT THERE.
  • 00:26:25.396 --> 00:26:27.331
  • IF YOU'RE 17 ORUNDER, IS IT 17?
  • 00:26:27.398 --> 00:26:31.268
  • 17 OR UNDER YOU CANGO TO THE E.A.A.
  • 00:26:31.335 --> 00:26:35.272
  • ONLINE, EXPERIMENTALAIRPLANE ASSOCIATION,
  • 00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:39.309
  • AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION,I'M SORRY,
  • 00:26:39.376 --> 00:26:40.878
  • AND LOG ON TO THEYOUNG EAGLE PROGRAM,
  • 00:26:40.944 --> 00:26:43.714
  • AND THEY'LL GET YOU YOURGROUND SCHOOL FOR FREE
  • 00:26:43.781 --> 00:26:46.517
  • AND A FREE FLIGHT.
  • 00:26:46.583 --> 00:26:48.285
  • - I'M SURPRISED THERE'SA SHORTAGE OF PILOTS.
  • 00:26:48.352 --> 00:26:50.921
  • - WELL, IT'S CYCLICAL,BUT WHENEVER THE MILITARY
  • 00:26:50.988 --> 00:26:54.058
  • DOWNSIZES, AND WE GET ALOT OF OUR PILOTS FROM
  • 00:26:54.124 --> 00:26:56.093
  • THE MILITARY, AND THEEXPENSES GO SO HIGH THAT
  • 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.996
  • THE CIVILIAN PILOTSCUT BACK BECAUSE
  • 00:26:59.063 --> 00:27:01.031
  • IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
  • 00:27:01.098 --> 00:27:02.833
  • IT'S ABOUT NINE YEARS TOGET INTO A MAJOR AIRLINE,
  • 00:27:02.900 --> 00:27:06.770
  • NO MATTER WHETHER YOU'REMILITARY OR CIVILIAN,
  • 00:27:06.837 --> 00:27:09.139
  • SO EXPENSES, DRAW DOWNS,AND BUT COMMERCIAL
  • 00:27:09.206 --> 00:27:13.911
  • AVIATION HAS BLOSSOMED.
  • 00:27:13.977 --> 00:27:15.579
  • WE NEED MOREAND MORE PILOTS,
  • 00:27:15.646 --> 00:27:17.147
  • AND THERE'S LESS ANDLESS TO PULL FROM.
  • 00:27:17.214 --> 00:27:18.916
  • SO THIS IS A GREATTIME TO DO IT.
  • 00:27:18.982 --> 00:27:21.251
  • - YEAH, AND I IMAGINETHERE'S SO MANY YOUNG
  • 00:27:21.318 --> 00:27:22.886
  • PEOPLE WHO ARELOOKING UP TO THE SKY,
  • 00:27:22.953 --> 00:27:24.521
  • LIKE YOU WERE WHENYOU WERE YOUNGER,
  • 00:27:24.588 --> 00:27:25.923
  • SAYING I WANT TO DO THAT,I WANT TO BE UP THERE.
  • 00:27:25.989 --> 00:27:28.125
  • [SOFT MUSIC]
  • 00:27:28.192 --> 00:27:38.736
  • - WHEN I LOOK BACKON FLIGHT 1380,
  • 00:27:38.802 --> 00:27:41.138
  • THE TAKEAWAYS THAT I COMEAWAY WITH ARE THREEFOLD.
  • 00:27:41.205 --> 00:27:45.676
  • HABITS, HOPE AND HEROES.
  • 00:27:45.743 --> 00:27:48.779
  • HABITS, I REALIZE ATTHE END OF THAT DAY,
  • 00:27:48.846 --> 00:27:51.715
  • THEY'RE A GIFT,A GENEROUS GIFT,
  • 00:27:51.782 --> 00:27:54.651
  • AND THAT GIFT TURNSINTO OUR INSTINCTS,
  • 00:27:54.718 --> 00:27:57.421
  • SO WHATEVER YOU CHOOSETO MAKE A HABIT IN YOUR
  • 00:27:57.488 --> 00:27:59.923
  • DAY-TO-DAY, THATBECOMES YOUR INSTINCT.
  • 00:27:59.990 --> 00:28:03.193
  • I LOOK AT HOPE ANDREALIZE WHEN WE HAD
  • 00:28:03.260 --> 00:28:06.096
  • A PLAN, WE FOUND ADESTINATION, WE HAD A HOPE.
  • 00:28:06.163 --> 00:28:09.566
  • WE FOUND THAT HOPEDOES NOT HAVE TO
  • 00:28:09.633 --> 00:28:11.401
  • CHANGE YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:28:11.468 --> 00:28:13.137
  • WE WERE IN THE SAME ROUGHRIDE FOR 20 MORE MINUTES,
  • 00:28:13.203 --> 00:28:16.673
  • BUT IT CHANGED US.
  • 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:18.709
  • THE DEFINITION OF AHERO TO ME MAY
  • 00:28:18.776 --> 00:28:20.778
  • BE QUITE DIFFERENT.
  • 00:28:20.844 --> 00:28:22.246
  • I THINK IT'S SOMEONE WHOJUST TAKES THE TIME TO
  • 00:28:22.312 --> 00:28:24.248
  • SEE AND THE EFFORT TOACT ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE
  • 00:28:24.314 --> 00:28:27.951
  • ELSE. NO TITLE, NO EQUIPMENT,JUST BEING ATTENTIVE AND
  • 00:28:28.018 --> 00:28:31.822
  • WILLING TO GIVEOF YOURSELF.
  • 00:28:31.889 --> 00:28:34.191
  • - TAKE US BACKTO APRIL 17, 2018,
  • 00:28:34.792 --> 00:28:38.729
  • NOT FAR FROM HERE,NEW YORK AT LAGUARDIA
  • 00:28:38.796 --> 00:28:40.731
  • AIRPORT, STARTED PROBABLYA DAY LIKE ANY OTHER DAY
  • 00:28:40.798 --> 00:28:43.767
  • BUT TURNED OUT TOBE ANYTHING BUT.
  • 00:28:43.834 --> 00:28:46.303
  • TAKE US BACK TO THAT DAY.
  • 00:28:46.370 --> 00:28:48.205
  • TELL US HOW IT ALLSTARTED AND KIND OF TAKE
  • 00:28:48.272 --> 00:28:51.208
  • US STEP BY STEPFROM THERE.
  • 00:28:51.275 --> 00:28:53.710
  • - WELL, IT WAS THESECOND DAY OF A THREE DAY
  • 00:28:53.777 --> 00:28:56.680
  • TRIP, AND SO DARREN, MYFIRST OFFICER AND I,
  • 00:28:56.747 --> 00:28:59.616
  • DARREN ELLISOR, THATMORNING I ALWAYS GET UP
  • 00:28:59.683 --> 00:29:05.222
  • ABOUT 30 MINUTES EARLIERTHAN I GET READY TIME,
  • 00:29:05.289 --> 00:29:09.393
  • SO I CAN HAVE MY QUIETTIME BEFORE THE DAY STARTS.
  • 00:29:09.459 --> 00:29:12.429
  • SINCE OUR KIDS ARE GROWNNOW AND WE'RE NOT AROUND
  • 00:29:12.496 --> 00:29:16.366
  • THE BREAKFAST TABLEFOR DEVOTIONS,
  • 00:29:16.433 --> 00:29:18.735
  • I USUALLY SEND OUT ASCRIPTURE ON A PICTURE TO
  • 00:29:18.802 --> 00:29:22.739
  • EVERYBODY IN THE FAMILYBEFORE THE DAY STARTS.
  • 00:29:22.806 --> 00:29:25.209
  • AND THAT DAY WAS INCOLOSSIANS OR OUT OF
  • 00:29:25.275 --> 00:29:27.311
  • COLOSSIANS, "DO WHAT YOUDO AS UNTO THE LORD"
  • 00:29:27.377 --> 00:29:30.781
  • AND THEN I HEADEDOUT THE DOOR.
  • 00:29:30.848 --> 00:29:32.916
  • AND DARREN AND I METTHE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS
  • 00:29:32.983 --> 00:29:34.818
  • AT THE JET ACTUALLY.
  • 00:29:34.885 --> 00:29:37.354
  • HE HAD GONE AHEAD TOGET THINGS STARTED,
  • 00:29:37.421 --> 00:29:39.389
  • AND I SWUNG BY AND GOTCOFFEE FOR THE CREW,
  • 00:29:39.456 --> 00:29:42.593
  • AND WE MET AND DID THECAPTAIN'S BRIEFING.
  • 00:29:42.659 --> 00:29:44.561
  • THE LADIES,SEANIQUE MALLORY,
  • 00:29:44.628 --> 00:29:46.930
  • RACHEL FERNHEIMER ANDKATHRYN SANDOVAL WERE THERE.
  • 00:29:46.997 --> 00:29:50.534
  • WE HAD NOT MET THEMBEFORE SO THIS WAS OUR
  • 00:29:50.601 --> 00:29:52.369
  • FIRST DAY TO FLYTOGETHER, APRIL 17.
  • 00:29:52.436 --> 00:29:54.905
  • AND JUST THROUGHTHE BRIEF,
  • 00:29:54.972 --> 00:29:56.740
  • WE KIND OF CHITCHATTED ALITTLE BIT AND FOUND OUT
  • 00:29:56.807 --> 00:30:00.811
  • THAT THEY WEREBELIEVERS ALSO.
  • 00:30:00.878 --> 00:30:03.614
  • AND IN LAGUARDIA WE HAD AFEW MINUTES MORE TO GET
  • 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.484
  • TOGETHER AND WAIT UNTILIT WAS TIME TO LOAD
  • 00:30:07.551 --> 00:30:11.822
  • PASSENGERS, AND DARRENCAME OUT OF THE COCKPIT
  • 00:30:11.889 --> 00:30:14.825
  • AS WELL WHILE THE GIRLSAND I WERE CHATTING,
  • 00:30:14.892 --> 00:30:17.160
  • AND HE'S A SCOUT MASTER.
  • 00:30:17.227 --> 00:30:19.162
  • WE BOTH HAD SENIORS INHIGH SCHOOL SO THEY WERE
  • 00:30:19.229 --> 00:30:21.865
  • ASKING US WHAT ARE YOUGETTING YOUR KIDS?
  • 00:30:21.932 --> 00:30:23.467
  • AND HE TOLD WHATHE WAS DOING,
  • 00:30:23.533 --> 00:30:25.335
  • AND I TOLD THEM THAT IWAS REWRITING THE BOOK OF
  • 00:30:25.402 --> 00:30:29.273
  • PROVERBS IN AJOURNAL FOR OUR SON.
  • 00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:31.575
  • AND I SAID OH, KATHRYNWAS DOING HER BIBLE STUDY
  • 00:30:31.642 --> 00:30:35.045
  • IN THE BOOK OFPROVERBS AND PSALMS.
  • 00:30:35.112 --> 00:30:37.080
  • - ONE OF YOUR CREW?
  • 00:30:37.147 --> 00:30:38.382
  • - ONE OF THEFLIGHT ATTENDANTS,
  • 00:30:38.448 --> 00:30:39.917
  • AND THE OTHERTWO SAID OH,
  • 00:30:39.983 --> 00:30:42.753
  • RACHEL SAID I JUST GOT ANEW BIBLE WITH JOURNAL
  • 00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:46.089
  • ROOM IN IT, AND SEANIQUEWAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING
  • 00:30:46.156 --> 00:30:48.091
  • ONE, SO IT WAS KIND OFFUN TO KNOW WE ALL HAD A
  • 00:30:48.158 --> 00:30:50.994
  • SIMILAR FAITH BEFOREWE HEADED OUT.
  • 00:30:51.061 --> 00:30:54.464
  • AND THEN WE HEADED TOWARDSDALLAS FULL OF PASSENGERS.
  • 00:30:54.531 --> 00:31:00.070
  • IT WAS DARREN'STURN TO FLY,
  • 00:31:00.137 --> 00:31:01.738
  • AND WE'RE HEAVY WITH FUELBECAUSE IT'S ABOUT
  • 00:31:01.805 --> 00:31:03.640
  • THREE AND A HALF,FOUR HOUR FLIGHT.
  • 00:31:03.707 --> 00:31:06.076
  • AND AS WE TOOK OFF,EVERYTHING WAS GOING
  • 00:31:06.143 --> 00:31:08.879
  • GREAT UNTIL WE PASSED32.500 FEET IN OUR
  • 00:31:08.946 --> 00:31:13.016
  • CLIMB TO 38.000 FEET.
  • 00:31:13.083 --> 00:31:15.052
  • AND IT FELT LIKE WE WEREHIT BY A MACK TRUCK ON
  • 00:31:15.118 --> 00:31:18.488
  • THE CAPTAIN'S SIDE.
  • 00:31:18.555 --> 00:31:19.957
  • DARREN AND I LATERCOMPARED NOTES AND
  • 00:31:20.023 --> 00:31:21.692
  • THOUGHT WE REALLY HADBEEN HIT BY ANOTHER
  • 00:31:21.758 --> 00:31:23.760
  • AIRCRAFT, WE'DHAD A MIDAIR.
  • 00:31:23.827 --> 00:31:25.696
  • THE JOLT WASTRULY SO VIOLENT,
  • 00:31:25.762 --> 00:31:29.132
  • IT WAS NOTHING LIKE WEHAD EVER EXPERIENCED
  • 00:31:29.199 --> 00:31:31.735
  • IN OUR CAREERS.
  • 00:31:31.802 --> 00:31:33.904
  • - THE AIRCRAFT WENT INTOA SNAP ROLLOVER ON THE
  • 00:31:56.226 --> 00:31:58.095
  • LEFT. WE CAUGHT IT GOINGTHROUGH 40 DEGREES,
  • 00:31:58.161 --> 00:32:01.231
  • WHICH IS MORE THAN YOU'LLEVER SEE AS YOU'RE
  • 00:32:01.298 --> 00:32:02.899
  • FLYING SOMEWHERE,AND RIGHTED IT.
  • 00:32:02.966 --> 00:32:05.936
  • GOT THE WINGS LEVEL.
  • 00:32:06.003 --> 00:32:07.904
  • AND WE COULD SEE THAT THEENGINE INSTRUMENTS WERE
  • 00:32:07.971 --> 00:32:10.007
  • WINDING DOWN, BUT THATWAS ONLY FOR A SLICE OF A
  • 00:32:10.073 --> 00:32:12.743
  • MOMENT, AND THEN THEREWAS SUCH A SHUTTERING OF
  • 00:32:12.809 --> 00:32:16.179
  • THE AIRCRAFT THAT WECOULDN'T FOCUS OUR EYES
  • 00:32:16.246 --> 00:32:18.281
  • ON THE INSTRUMENTS ORCHECKLISTS OR ANYTHING.
  • 00:32:18.348 --> 00:32:22.185
  • THERE WAS A BIT OF SMOKEPULLED INTO THE COCKPIT
  • 00:32:22.252 --> 00:32:25.255
  • FROM THE EXPLOSION.
  • 00:32:25.322 --> 00:32:26.823
  • - AND YOU STILL DIDN'TKNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT
  • 00:32:26.890 --> 00:32:28.058
  • THAT TIME. YOU STILLTHOUGHT IT MAY HAVE BEEN
  • 00:32:28.125 --> 00:32:29.693
  • ANOTHER PLANE THAT HIT YOU?
  • 00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:31.695
  • - WELL, OBVIOUSLY,OUR ENGINE HAD DIED,
  • 00:32:31.762 --> 00:32:34.431
  • BUT THE SHUTTERING ANDTHE INCREDIBLE NOISE THAT
  • 00:32:34.498 --> 00:32:39.436
  • FOLLOWED, NO, WE DIDN'TKNOW ANY OF THAT.
  • 00:32:39.503 --> 00:32:43.707
  • WE GOT OUR MASKS ON ANDTALKED TO A.T.C., AND
  • 00:32:43.774 --> 00:32:48.678
  • THEN WE ALSO TOLD THEPEOPLE IN THE BACK,
  • 00:32:48.745 --> 00:32:52.382
  • I MADE A P.A. THATWE'RE NOT GOING DOWN,
  • 00:32:52.449 --> 00:32:54.751
  • WE'RE GOING INTOPHILLY, BECAUSE WE WERE
  • 00:32:54.818 --> 00:32:57.054
  • DESCENDINGFAIRLY RAPIDLY.
  • 00:32:57.120 --> 00:32:59.856
  • BUT RIGHT BEFORE THAT, IWOULD SAY WHEN YOU CAN'T
  • 00:32:59.923 --> 00:33:04.394
  • HEAR ANYTHING ANDYOU CAN'T BREATHE,
  • 00:33:04.461 --> 00:33:07.164
  • BECAUSE WE HAD THISSTABBING PAIN IN OUR EARS
  • 00:33:07.230 --> 00:33:09.166
  • AND REALIZED WE'RENOT BREATHING EITHER,
  • 00:33:09.232 --> 00:33:11.301
  • WE CAN'T COMMUNICATEBECAUSE OF THIS HORRENDOUS
  • 00:33:11.368 --> 00:33:13.937
  • NOISE FROM A WINDOW BEINGBLOWN OUT, BEING STRUCK.
  • 00:33:14.004 --> 00:33:20.644
  • - SO A WINDOW WASCOMPLETELY BLOWN OUT?
  • 00:33:20.710 --> 00:33:22.712
  • - THE WINDOW IS OUT500 MILES AN HOUR,
  • 00:33:22.779 --> 00:33:25.348
  • AND THEN THE ENGINE HAD,THE SIDE HAD PEELED
  • 00:33:25.415 --> 00:33:31.288
  • BACK KIND OF LIKE ABANANA PEELING BUT STAYED
  • 00:33:31.354 --> 00:33:33.690
  • ATTACHED. SO YOU HAVE THISSHUTTERING CAUSED BY
  • 00:33:33.757 --> 00:33:37.427
  • BASICALLY BARN DOORS OFMETAL FLAILING UNDER A WING.
  • 00:33:37.494 --> 00:33:42.132
  • AND THERE WAS SOME DAMAGETO THE WING AS WELL.
  • 00:33:42.199 --> 00:33:44.601
  • BUT ALL OF THAT REALLYKIND OF PUTS YOUR
  • 00:33:44.668 --> 00:33:48.371
  • ADRENALIN ON GO.
  • 00:33:48.438 --> 00:33:51.274
  • AND I KNOW WE ALWAYSTHINK ABOUT ADRENALIN
  • 00:33:51.341 --> 00:33:54.611
  • MAKING YOU FASTEROR STRONGER,
  • 00:33:54.678 --> 00:33:56.513
  • BUT IT MAKES YOUR MINDWORK AT WARP SPEED.
  • 00:33:56.580 --> 00:33:59.549
  • IN A MOMENT, YOU CANTHINK VERY LEISURELY
  • 00:33:59.616 --> 00:34:02.452
  • THROUGH SOME THINGS,AND I THINK ONE OF THE
  • 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.088
  • PIVOTAL MOMENTS FOR MEIN THAT FLIGHT WAS THEN
  • 00:34:05.155 --> 00:34:08.959
  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT I'M NOTREALLY SURE EVERYTHING IS
  • 00:34:09.025 --> 00:34:12.329
  • GONNA STAY ON THAT WENEED TO FLY TO A RUNWAY.
  • 00:34:12.395 --> 00:34:17.501
  • AND THEN OF COURSEMENTALLY I FOLLOW THAT
  • 00:34:17.567 --> 00:34:19.936
  • THROUGH TO THE CLIFF OFWHAT IF AND THAT IS IT
  • 00:34:20.003 --> 00:34:23.673
  • MAY BE THE DAY THATI MEET MY MAKER.
  • 00:34:23.740 --> 00:34:26.810
  • - THAT'S WHEN I STOPPEDAND I HAD SUCH A CALM,
  • 00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:00.777
  • NOT MY OWN DOING, BUTIT MADE ME REALIZE I
  • 00:35:00.844 --> 00:35:03.880
  • WOULDN'T BE MEETING ASTRANGER IF THIS WAS THE
  • 00:35:03.947 --> 00:35:06.650
  • DAY THAT I MET JESUS, ANDI MEET WITH HIM EVERY
  • 00:35:06.716 --> 00:35:10.654
  • DAY, SO I STEPPEDAWAY FROM THAT MENTAL
  • 00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:14.391
  • CONCLUSION AND REALIZEDWE'RE STILL FLYING,
  • 00:35:14.457 --> 00:35:18.028
  • SO WE'LL JUSTKEEP FLYING.
  • 00:35:18.094 --> 00:35:20.130
  • AND I THINK THAT'S WHERETHE CALM IN MY VOICE AND
  • 00:35:20.197 --> 00:35:23.500
  • THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOMEDECISIONS COMING DOWN
  • 00:35:23.567 --> 00:35:26.503
  • THAT WE HAVE NEVERTRAINED FOR SOME OF THE
  • 00:35:26.570 --> 00:35:30.006
  • THINGS THAT WE NEEDEDTO DO AND JUDGE.
  • 00:35:30.073 --> 00:35:33.176
  • - WERE YOU COMMUNICATINGWITH YOUR COPILOT DURING
  • 00:35:33.243 --> 00:35:35.145
  • ALL OF THIS? IT WAS SOLOUD IN THERE I KNOW.
  • 00:35:35.212 --> 00:35:37.814
  • - NO, NOT DURING THAT.
  • 00:35:37.881 --> 00:35:39.516
  • - YOU COULDN'T EVENREALLY SPEAK I GUESS.
  • 00:35:39.583 --> 00:35:41.284
  • - RIGHT. WE REALLY POINTEDAT DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:35:41.351 --> 00:35:44.487
  • WE USED HAND MOTIONS.
  • 00:35:44.554 --> 00:35:46.356
  • - JUST TOO LOUD, RIGHT?
  • 00:35:46.423 --> 00:35:47.624
  • - TOO LOUD, THEN WE GOTOUR OXYGEN MASKS ON.
  • 00:35:47.691 --> 00:35:50.227
  • BUT ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYSFOR THE CREW, I THINK,
  • 00:35:50.293 --> 00:35:55.699
  • AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ONBOARD IS JUST TAKING THE
  • 00:35:55.765 --> 00:35:58.902
  • TIME TO SHARE THAT WEHAD A PLAN AND THAT
  • 00:35:58.969 --> 00:36:03.073
  • WE HAD A DESTINATION.
  • 00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:05.141
  • THAT'S WHEN THE FLIGHTATTENDANTS UNBUCKLED AND
  • 00:36:05.208 --> 00:36:08.144
  • HEADED DOWN THROUGH THEAISLE WHICH THEY DIDN'T,
  • 00:36:08.211 --> 00:36:10.513
  • IT WAS BEYOND THEIRREQUIREMENT TO DO.
  • 00:36:10.580 --> 00:36:13.049
  • - I'M SORRY TAMMIE JO,JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW,
  • 00:36:13.116 --> 00:36:14.951
  • THEY JUMPED UP AS THISPLANE IS DESCENDING
  • 00:36:15.018 --> 00:36:18.021
  • PRETTY RAPIDLY, RIGHT?
  • 00:36:18.088 --> 00:36:19.789
  • - I THINK IT WAS 19.000 FEETIN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES.
  • 00:36:19.856 --> 00:36:23.026
  • - AND THERE'S AWINDOW BLOWN OUT.
  • 00:36:23.093 --> 00:36:25.762
  • YOUR NATURAL HUMANINSTINCTS IS I'M STAYING
  • 00:36:25.829 --> 00:36:28.365
  • STRAPPED IN, HOLDING ON,WHITE KNUCKLES FOR DEAR
  • 00:36:28.431 --> 00:36:30.500
  • LIFE. THESE PEOPLE JUMPEDUP, JUMPED OUT
  • 00:36:30.567 --> 00:36:33.670
  • AND WENT TO HELP THEPASSENGER WHO.
  • 00:36:33.737 --> 00:36:38.642
  • - THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEPASSENGER WAS INJURED.
  • 00:36:38.708 --> 00:36:40.810
  • THEY NEVER KNEW UNTIL THEYWERE EVEN WITH HER, HER ROW,
  • 00:36:40.877 --> 00:36:45.348
  • WHICH IS HALFWAY DOWNBECAUSE ALL THE OXYGEN MASKS
  • 00:36:45.415 --> 00:36:47.450
  • WERE HANGING DOWN.
  • 00:36:47.517 --> 00:36:49.452
  • NO, THEY HAD NO IDEAANYONE WAS IN PERIL.
  • 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.721
  • THEY JUST SAW THAT PEOPLEWERE FRIGHTENED, AND THEY
  • 00:36:51.788 --> 00:36:54.691
  • HEARD THE P.A.
  • 00:36:54.758 --> 00:36:56.593
  • THAT WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN,WE'RE GOING INTO PHILLY.
  • 00:36:56.660 --> 00:36:58.628
  • AND THEY ALSO SAW THATPEOPLE NEEDED TO PUT THEIR
  • 00:36:58.695 --> 00:37:00.730
  • OXYGEN MASKS ON THEIR NOSES,NOT JUST THEIR MOUTHS.
  • 00:37:00.797 --> 00:37:02.632
  • NO, THEY DID IT OUT OFCOMPLETE COMPASSION, NOT
  • 00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:06.102
  • KNOWING THAT THERE WASSOMEONE IN
  • 00:37:06.169 --> 00:37:08.505
  • DIRE MEDICAL NEED.
  • 00:37:08.571 --> 00:37:10.240
  • BUT THAT ELEMENT OF HOPE, ITDOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR
  • 00:37:10.307 --> 00:37:13.310
  • CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:37:13.376 --> 00:37:15.011
  • IT CHANGES YOU, ANDSOMETIMES, THAT'S ENOUGH.
  • 00:37:15.078 --> 00:37:18.048
  • - NOW, WE'RE GOING TO ASKYOU ABOUT THAT PASSENGER WHO
  • 00:37:52.415 --> 00:37:54.584
  • WAS IN A DIRE MEDICALSITUATION, BUT BEFORE I DO
  • 00:37:54.651 --> 00:37:58.121
  • THAT, KIND OF RELATED, YOUHAVE ALL OF THESE THOUGHTS
  • 00:37:58.188 --> 00:38:01.858
  • GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD,AND THINGS CALM DOWN, EVEN
  • 00:38:01.925 --> 00:38:04.394
  • AMIDST OF ALL OF THIS.
  • 00:38:04.461 --> 00:38:06.262
  • AND THIS WHOLE ORDEALLASTED FOR 20 MINUTES.
  • 00:38:06.329 --> 00:38:07.831
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:38:07.897 --> 00:38:09.499
  • - UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:38:09.566 --> 00:38:11.201
  • BUT YOU ALSO HAVE ARESPONSIBILITY FOR 149
  • 00:38:11.267 --> 00:38:12.902
  • PEOPLE PLUS THECREW ON THE FLIGHT.
  • 00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:14.704
  • I KNOW YOU WERE THINKINGABOUT THAT, AS WELL, ABOUT
  • 00:38:14.771 --> 00:38:16.439
  • GETTING THESE PEOPLE IN.
  • 00:38:16.506 --> 00:38:18.074
  • EVERYONE HAS FAMILIES ONTHAT FLIGHT, JUST AS YOU AND
  • 00:38:18.141 --> 00:38:20.810
  • DEAN DO, AND YOU WANTTO GET THEM IN SAFELY.
  • 00:38:20.877 --> 00:38:23.012
  • THAT HAD TO BE GOING THROUGHYOUR MIND, I'M ASSUMING,
  • 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.482
  • AS WELL. IT'S A HEAVYRESPONSIBILITY.
  • 00:38:25.548 --> 00:38:27.417
  • - YOU KNOW, IT IS, BUT IWILL SAY HAVING A CREW THAT
  • 00:38:27.484 --> 00:38:30.153
  • OBVIOUSLY STEPPED UP TO THEPLATE, THEY SHOWED THAT WE
  • 00:38:30.220 --> 00:38:34.591
  • WERE ALL IN BEFORE WEEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
  • 00:38:34.657 --> 00:38:37.394
  • SO THE WAY THAT SEANIQUE ANDRACHEL AND
  • 00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:40.630
  • CATHERINE WELCOMED PEOPLEABOARD AND WENT ABOVE AND
  • 00:38:40.697 --> 00:38:43.166
  • BEYOND WHAT WAS EXPECTED OFTHEM, I DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT
  • 00:38:43.233 --> 00:38:47.904
  • WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THEBACK BECAUSE I HAD MY HANDS
  • 00:38:47.971 --> 00:38:50.273
  • FULL IN THE FRONT.
  • 00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:51.908
  • AND DARREN COULD NOTHAVE BEEN MORE AMAZING.
  • 00:38:51.975 --> 00:38:55.678
  • I MEAN, HE'S KIND OF THESILENT HERO IN THIS BECAUSE
  • 00:38:55.745 --> 00:38:58.381
  • YOU DON'T HEARMUCH ABOUT HIM.
  • 00:38:58.448 --> 00:39:00.083
  • PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE WHAT HEWAS DOING, BUT BOEING MAKING
  • 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:04.187
  • IT A TWO MAN COCKPIT WASABSOLUTELY THE BEST DESIGN
  • 00:39:04.254 --> 00:39:08.191
  • THEY COULD HAVE DONE.
  • 00:39:08.258 --> 00:39:09.826
  • HE WAS AMAZING, AND WE HADTO CHANGE OUR PLANS A NUMBER
  • 00:39:09.893 --> 00:39:13.163
  • OF TIMES BECAUSE WE GOT DOWNLOW AND REALIZED WE'RE A
  • 00:39:13.229 --> 00:39:15.865
  • GLIDER.
  • 00:39:15.932 --> 00:39:17.467
  • WE CAN'T USE ALL OFTHAT POWER OVER THERE.
  • 00:39:17.534 --> 00:39:19.469
  • WE'VE BEEN AT IDLE TO GETDOWN QUICKLY INTO THICKER
  • 00:39:19.536 --> 00:39:21.838
  • AIR FOR PEOPLE TO BREATHE,BUT WHEN WE GOT DOWN OVER
  • 00:39:21.905 --> 00:39:25.208
  • THE CITY AND TRIED TO LEVELOFF, WE DIDN'T HAVE LEVEL
  • 00:39:25.275 --> 00:39:28.211
  • OFF CAPABILITY.
  • 00:39:28.278 --> 00:39:30.013
  • WE WERE ABOUT 10.000POUNDS OVERWEIGHT.
  • 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.182
  • - SO THIS IS AN EMERGENCYLANDING IN PHILADELPHIA?
  • 00:39:32.248 --> 00:39:34.250
  • - RIGHT, AND IT WAS NOTSOMETHING WE COULD DICTATE,
  • 00:39:34.317 --> 00:39:39.522
  • WE'LL GO THIS FAR OUT ANDCOME AROUND FOR A NORMAL
  • 00:39:39.589 --> 00:39:41.958
  • APPROACH.
  • 00:39:42.025 --> 00:39:43.660
  • WE HAD TO TAKE IT INFROM WHERE WE WERE.
  • 00:39:43.726 --> 00:39:45.295
  • WE HAD TO USE LESS FLAPS.
  • 00:39:45.361 --> 00:39:47.063
  • WE HAD TO TIME OUR GEARCOMING DOWN SO THAT WE COULD
  • 00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:48.998
  • STILL MAKE THE RUNWAY BUT BESLOWER, SLOW ENOUGH NOT TO
  • 00:39:49.065 --> 00:39:51.334
  • BLOW OUR TIRESWHEN WE LANDED.
  • 00:39:51.401 --> 00:39:53.536
  • AND HE WAS ASFLUID AS COULD BE.
  • 00:39:53.603 --> 00:39:57.140
  • - YOUR COPILOT?
  • 00:39:57.207 --> 00:39:58.741
  • - YES, DARREN WAS AMAZING.
  • 00:39:58.808 --> 00:40:00.543
  • - WAS THERE EVER A TIMEWHERE YOU SAID, PHEW, I
  • 00:40:00.610 --> 00:40:03.079
  • THINK WE'RE OUTOF THE WOODS HERE?
  • 00:40:03.146 --> 00:40:05.248
  • WAS THERE EVER A TIMEBETWEEN YOU LANDING SAFELY
  • 00:40:05.315 --> 00:40:08.384
  • ON THE GROUND, WAS THEREEVER A TIME WHERE YOU SAID,
  • 00:40:08.451 --> 00:40:11.521
  • OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GETTHIS IN AND WE'RE GOING TO
  • 00:40:11.588 --> 00:40:12.989
  • BE OKAY?
  • 00:40:13.056 --> 00:40:14.824
  • OR WAS IT KIND OF UNCERTAINUNTIL VERY LAST MOMENT?
  • 00:40:14.891 --> 00:40:16.493
  • - NO, TOWARDS THE END, WEHAD ABOUT 90 DEGREES TO TURN
  • 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:22.565
  • TO GET TO THE RUNWAY, AND UPTO THAT POINT, ANY TURN INTO
  • 00:40:22.632 --> 00:40:25.201
  • THE THRUST PRODUCING SIDEOF THE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN AT
  • 00:40:25.268 --> 00:40:28.605
  • IDLE, AND NOW WE WERE USINGA LITTLE BIT OF POWER, AND I
  • 00:40:28.671 --> 00:40:32.876
  • COULDN'T GET THEAIRCRAFT TO TURN.
  • 00:40:32.942 --> 00:40:36.112
  • AND THERE'S JUSTSILENCE OVER A.T.C.
  • 00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:38.248
  • AS WE PASSOVER THE RUNWAY.
  • 00:40:38.314 --> 00:40:40.083
  • THERE'S SILENCE INSIDE THECOCKPIT EXCEPT TWO WORDS,
  • 00:40:40.149 --> 00:40:43.119
  • WHICH, UNTIL I LISTENED TOTHE COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER,
  • 00:40:43.186 --> 00:40:45.321
  • I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WERE OUTLOUD, AND IT IS ME ASKING A
  • 00:40:45.388 --> 00:40:47.690
  • QUESTION.
  • 00:40:47.757 --> 00:40:50.360
  • AND IT'S JUST ME SAYING,"HEAVENLY FATHER..." BECAUSE
  • 00:40:50.426 --> 00:40:53.329
  • I WAS THINKING, OKAY,WHAT AM I MISSING?
  • 00:40:53.396 --> 00:40:55.665
  • I KNOW WE DIDN'T WRESTLETHIS DOWN FOR 30.000 FEET
  • 00:40:55.732 --> 00:41:01.471
  • NOT TO BE ABLE TOMAKE THE LAST TURN.
  • 00:41:01.538 --> 00:41:03.072
  • - YOU KNOW, PRAYERIS A GREAT THING.
  • 00:41:28.231 --> 00:41:30.033
  • THE LORD CAN TAKE THAT IRONCAGE OFF OF YOUR MIND SO
  • 00:41:30.099 --> 00:41:32.468
  • THAT YOU CAN THINK A LITTLEMORE OUT OF THE BOX, AND I
  • 00:41:32.535 --> 00:41:37.840
  • REALIZED, WELL, ASYMMETRICALTHRUST IS MY PROBLEM.
  • 00:41:37.907 --> 00:41:40.843
  • IT'S ALSO THE ANSWER, AND ITOOK POWER OFF AND TURNED
  • 00:41:40.910 --> 00:41:44.213
  • AROUND AND MADE IT.
  • 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.149
  • AGAIN, ON THE COCKPIT VOICERECORDER -- OR I SUPPOSE YOU
  • 00:41:46.215 --> 00:41:50.386
  • CAN ONLY READ IT BECAUSE YOUDIDN'T LISTEN TO IT -- BUT
  • 00:41:50.453 --> 00:41:53.856
  • AS WE ROLL OUT, I JUST SAY,THANK YOU, LORD, THANK YOU,
  • 00:41:53.923 --> 00:41:58.728
  • THANK YOU, THANK YOU, LORD.
  • 00:41:58.795 --> 00:42:00.597
  • BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MADEUNTIL WE HAD LANDED.
  • 00:42:00.663 --> 00:42:03.900
  • WE JUST RAN INTO -- WETHOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING
  • 00:42:03.967 --> 00:42:07.003
  • FIGURED OUT, AND WE HAD TOCHANGE OUR PLANS, AND THEN
  • 00:42:07.070 --> 00:42:10.139
  • WE THOUGHT WE HAD THATFIGURED OUT, AND THERE
  • 00:42:10.206 --> 00:42:12.308
  • WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSETHAT SEEMED TO BE A HURDLE
  • 00:42:12.375 --> 00:42:16.145
  • THAT WE HADN'T EXPECTED ORTHAT WE HADN'T EXPECTED TO
  • 00:42:16.212 --> 00:42:18.848
  • DO IN A CERTAIN WAY.
  • 00:42:18.915 --> 00:42:21.284
  • AND SO ROLL OUT, THATWAS IT, TOUCH DOWN.
  • 00:42:21.351 --> 00:42:24.587
  • - AND YOU LAND.
  • 00:42:24.654 --> 00:42:26.356
  • THERE'S A REASON YOUR BOOKIS CALLED "NERVES OF STEEL".
  • 00:42:26.422 --> 00:42:28.224
  • - THERE ARE MANY PEOPLETHAT HAD NERVES OF STEEL ON
  • 00:42:28.291 --> 00:42:30.426
  • THAT FLIGHT, IDO HAVE TO SAY.
  • 00:42:30.493 --> 00:42:32.495
  • - SOUTHWEST FLIGHT1380 BECAME A NATIONAL STORY,
  • 00:42:32.562 --> 00:42:35.765
  • OBVIOUSLY, FOR GOOD REASON.
  • 00:42:35.832 --> 00:42:38.201
  • YOU'RE NOT ON THE FLIGHTOBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE'S A
  • 00:42:38.267 --> 00:42:41.938
  • TWIST HERE.
  • 00:42:42.005 --> 00:42:44.374
  • FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WEGET TO THAT TO KEEP FOLKS IN
  • 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.343
  • SUSPENSE, WHEN YOU HEARABOUT THIS, DEAN, ARE YOU
  • 00:42:47.410 --> 00:42:49.879
  • THINKING, WAIT A MINUTE, MYWIFE WAS ON THAT FLIGHT?
  • 00:42:49.946 --> 00:42:52.215
  • WHAT ARE YOU THINKING AS YOUHEAR THE NEWS ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:42:52.281 --> 00:42:54.584
  • HAPPENED AND THEEMERGENCY LANDING?
  • 00:42:54.651 --> 00:42:56.552
  • - WELL, I HEARD THENEWS FROM MY WIFE.
  • 00:42:56.619 --> 00:42:59.555
  • I WAS AT HOME, BUT I DIDN'THAVE THE NEWS ON, AND SO I
  • 00:42:59.622 --> 00:43:03.960
  • GOT A TEXT FROM HER WITH APICTURE OF THE ENGINE, AND
  • 00:43:04.027 --> 00:43:08.564
  • SHE SAID, "LANDED SAFE INPHILADELPHIA." AND I DIDN'T
  • 00:43:08.631 --> 00:43:14.070
  • KNOW AT THE TIME -- BECAUSEBOTH OF US BEING IN THE SAME
  • 00:43:14.137 --> 00:43:17.073
  • LINE OF WORK, SOMETIMESWE'LL TEXT, HEY, DID YOU
  • 00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:19.776
  • HEAR ABOUT THEPLANE IN WHEREVER?
  • 00:43:19.842 --> 00:43:22.712
  • AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF ITWAS HER PLANE OR JUST A
  • 00:43:22.779 --> 00:43:24.714
  • SOUTHWEST PLANE.
  • 00:43:24.781 --> 00:43:26.683
  • AND YET SHE RESPONDEDJUST AS CALMLY.
  • 00:43:26.749 --> 00:43:30.520
  • SHE GOES, IT'S NOT MYAIRPLANE, BUT DID I LAND IT.
  • 00:43:30.586 --> 00:43:34.023
  • IT'S GARY KELLY'S AIRPLANE.
  • 00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:36.359
  • - AND THOSE PICTURES OF THEENGINE, BY THE WAY, WOW.
  • 00:43:36.426 --> 00:43:38.761
  • I MEAN, IT'S NASTY LOOKING.
  • 00:43:38.828 --> 00:43:40.329
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:43:40.396 --> 00:43:41.931
  • - PEOPLE PROBABLY LOOKAT THAT AND SAY, WOW.
  • 00:43:41.998 --> 00:43:43.132
  • - YES, VERY MUCH.
  • 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:44.867
  • THEY HAD THEIR HANDS FULL.
  • 00:43:44.934 --> 00:43:47.036
  • - NOW, YOU ABSOLUTELYHAD YOUR HANDS FULL, AND YOU
  • 00:43:47.103 --> 00:43:50.807
  • AND THE TEAM JUST RESPONDEDWITH SUCH INCREDIBLE
  • 00:43:50.873 --> 00:43:52.742
  • SKILL AND GRACE.
  • 00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:55.511
  • YOU DID LOSE ONE PASSENGERON THE FLIGHT, ONE PERSON
  • 00:43:55.578 --> 00:43:59.849
  • WAS KILLED.
  • 00:43:59.916 --> 00:44:01.751
  • - I NEVER SPEAK ABOUTFLIGHT 1380 WITHOUT GIVING A
  • 00:44:01.818 --> 00:44:04.921
  • MOMENT TO THAT WOMAN BYNAME, JENNIFER REARDON, AND
  • 00:44:04.987 --> 00:44:10.359
  • TIMOTHY MCGINTY, ANDREW NEEDHAM,MEN THAT GOT UP AND
  • 00:44:10.426 --> 00:44:14.063
  • LEFT THEIR OXYGEN MASKS,LEFT THEIR WIVES AND
  • 00:44:14.130 --> 00:44:16.532
  • CHILDREN TO HELP THIS WOMAN.
  • 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.635
  • AND THEN PEGGY PHILLIPS THATGOT UP ALSO TO GIVE HER C.P.R.
  • 00:44:19.702 --> 00:44:26.709
  • UNTIL ANDREW TOOK OVER.
  • 00:44:26.776 --> 00:44:28.611
  • AND SO OF COURSE, I MEAN,THAT HAS JUST BEEN A HEAVY
  • 00:44:28.678 --> 00:44:33.950
  • WEIGHT, BUT ONE OF THEENCOURAGING THINGS IS I SEE
  • 00:44:34.016 --> 00:44:39.388
  • SUCH A REFLECTION OF HOWHUMAN LIFE WAS VALUED THAT
  • 00:44:39.455 --> 00:44:43.760
  • DAY AND HOW 148 WILL NEVERECLIPSE THE LOSS OF ONE.
  • 00:44:43.826 --> 00:44:49.766
  • AND THAT GOES TO OUR JUDEOCHRISTIAN VALUES THAT OUR
  • 00:44:49.832 --> 00:44:53.503
  • AMERICAN CULTUREIS FOUNDED ON.
  • 00:44:53.569 --> 00:44:57.406
  • NO ONE KNEW JENNIFER.
  • 00:44:57.473 --> 00:44:59.142
  • JENNIFER KNEW NO ONE, AND ITDIDN'T CHANGE HER WORTH, HER
  • 00:44:59.208 --> 00:45:02.678
  • PURPOSE IN LIFE AT ALL.
  • 00:45:02.745 --> 00:45:04.714
  • - YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TOBE ON THAT FLIGHT THAT DAY.
  • 00:45:04.781 --> 00:45:07.183
  • - NO.
  • 00:45:07.250 --> 00:45:08.718
  • - DEAN, DO YOUWANT TO MAYBE?
  • 00:45:08.785 --> 00:45:10.419
  • - WE TRADED TRIPS SO THAT-- OUR SON WAS A SENIOR IN
  • 00:45:10.486 --> 00:45:13.823
  • HIGH SCHOOL, AND TAMMIE JOHAD TAUGHT HIM HOW TO THROW.
  • 00:45:13.890 --> 00:45:16.592
  • SHE THREW IN TRACK INCOLLEGE, AND SHE'D TAUGHT
  • 00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:19.762
  • HIM HOW TO THROW THE JAVELINAND THE SHOT PUT AND DISCUS,
  • 00:45:19.829 --> 00:45:22.799
  • AND IT WAS ONE OF HIS LASTTRACK MEETS, SO WE TRADED
  • 00:45:22.865 --> 00:45:26.135
  • TRIPS SO SHE COULD BEHOME FOR THAT, AND --
  • 00:45:26.202 --> 00:45:29.705
  • - A TWIST OF FATE, IGUESS YOU WOULD SAY.
  • 00:45:29.772 --> 00:45:34.811
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:45:34.877 --> 00:45:36.779
  • - YOU LANDED, THANK GOD.
  • 00:45:36.846 --> 00:45:38.681
  • YOU LANDED SAFELY, LANDEDTHE PLANE SAFELY, THEN WHAT?
  • 00:45:38.748 --> 00:45:42.885
  • YOU KNOW, YOU COMEOUT OF COCKPIT.
  • 00:45:42.952 --> 00:45:44.720
  • WHAT IS THE CREW SAYING?
  • 00:45:44.787 --> 00:45:47.056
  • WHAT ARE THEPASSENGERS DOING?
  • 00:45:47.123 --> 00:45:48.825
  • WHAT'S THE ATMOSPHERE LIKEAFTER THIS HARROWING 20
  • 00:45:48.891 --> 00:45:51.594
  • MINUTE, CRAZY ORDEAL.
  • 00:45:51.661 --> 00:45:55.298
  • - I KNEW WHEN I LEFT THECOCKPIT THAT WE WERE WAITING
  • 00:45:55.364 --> 00:45:59.001
  • ON AIR STAIRS TO COME TO THEAIRCRAFT, AND SO I WANTED TO
  • 00:45:59.068 --> 00:46:03.005
  • GET OUT AND CHECK ON THECREW, BUT ALSO HELP THE
  • 00:46:03.072 --> 00:46:07.143
  • FLIGHT ATTENDANTS IFPASSENGERS WERE SO AGITATED
  • 00:46:07.210 --> 00:46:11.280
  • AND FRUSTRATED THAT THEYWERE WANTING TO OPEN DOORS
  • 00:46:11.347 --> 00:46:14.851
  • AND GET OUT BECAUSETHEY COULD GET INJURED.
  • 00:46:14.917 --> 00:46:17.086
  • AND IN THE HISTORY OFAVIATION, THAT'S KIND OF
  • 00:46:17.153 --> 00:46:19.021
  • COMMON.
  • 00:46:19.088 --> 00:46:21.924
  • IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH AHARROWING FLIGHT, AND YOU
  • 00:46:21.991 --> 00:46:24.493
  • GET ON THE GROUND, ANDYOU'RE STOPPED, YOU WANT OUT.
  • 00:46:24.560 --> 00:46:28.764
  • AND THAT'S KIND OF HUMANNATURE, SO I WENT BACK
  • 00:46:28.831 --> 00:46:31.734
  • ANTICIPATING SOME PRETTYANXIOUS, IF NOT ANGRY, AND
  • 00:46:31.801 --> 00:46:36.339
  • FRUSTRATED PASSENGERS, AND IWAS TAKEN BACK BY THE CALM
  • 00:46:36.405 --> 00:46:43.112
  • AND ATTENTIVENESS AND JUSTTHE CARE THAT PASSENGERS
  • 00:46:43.179 --> 00:46:47.483
  • WERE TREATINGEACH OTHER WITH.
  • 00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:49.552
  • AND I PUT THAT AT THEFOOT OF THE CREW AND THE
  • 00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:53.055
  • PASSENGERS.
  • 00:46:53.122 --> 00:46:55.024
  • BUT HOW THE CREW WAS UP ANDTAKING CARE OF PEOPLE IN
  • 00:46:55.091 --> 00:46:57.860
  • HARM'S WAY.
  • 00:46:57.927 --> 00:47:00.396
  • BUT WHENEVER I STEPPED BACKTHERE, ON A LIGHTER NOTE,
  • 00:47:00.463 --> 00:47:04.834
  • ONE PASSENGER HAD SAID, "I'DREALLY LIKE TO GO MEET THE
  • 00:47:04.901 --> 00:47:07.303
  • GUY THAT LANDED THIS THING."AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE SAID,
  • 00:47:07.370 --> 00:47:10.139
  • "WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?"
  • 00:47:10.206 --> 00:47:12.275
  • BECAUSE THE FLIGHTATTENDANTS HAD JUST DEBRIS
  • 00:47:12.341 --> 00:47:15.444
  • STUCK IN THEIR HAIR, ANDTHEY'D BEEN UP AND DOWN THE
  • 00:47:15.511 --> 00:47:17.813
  • AISLE, AND THEYWERE SORE-THROATED.
  • 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.615
  • AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HADN'TSEEN ME, SO THEY WERE KIND
  • 00:47:19.682 --> 00:47:22.551
  • OF WONDERING, WHEREDID YOU COME FROM?
  • 00:47:22.618 --> 00:47:25.922
  • - AND THEN I GUESS WOULDYOU SAY THAT THE MEDIA, I'M
  • 00:47:25.988 --> 00:47:30.126
  • GOING SAY THE MEDIA CRUSH,BUT THAT ALL KIND OF STARTS,
  • 00:47:30.192 --> 00:47:32.662
  • AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING,I'M SURE, MORE THAN JUST A
  • 00:47:32.728 --> 00:47:34.931
  • TEXT.
  • 00:47:34.997 --> 00:47:36.732
  • I'M SURE YOU HAD A MOREIN-DEPTH CONVERSATION.
  • 00:47:36.799 --> 00:47:38.634
  • HOW DID THAT FIRSTCONVERSATION GO?
  • 00:47:38.701 --> 00:47:40.369
  • - IT WAS REALLY -- SO MUCHHAS BEEN MADE OF HOW CALM
  • 00:47:40.436 --> 00:47:44.607
  • HER VOICE WAS ON THE RADIO,AND IT WAS JUST AS CALM ON
  • 00:47:44.674 --> 00:47:48.010
  • THAT PHONE CALL.
  • 00:47:48.077 --> 00:47:50.646
  • SHE WAS THE SAME OLD TAMMIEJO, AS IF SHE HAD JUST HAD A
  • 00:47:50.713 --> 00:47:57.086
  • WALK IN THE PARK AND LET MEKNOW THAT HEY, I'M PROBABLY
  • 00:47:57.153 --> 00:48:01.057
  • NOT GOING TO GOHOME TONIGHT.
  • 00:48:01.123 --> 00:48:03.025
  • GOT A LITTLE PAPERWORKTO DEAL WITH.
  • 00:48:03.092 --> 00:48:05.394
  • - I WILL SAY DEAN HAD AGREAT ENCOURAGEMENT FOR ME
  • 00:48:05.461 --> 00:48:11.534
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE WASSUCH A CONFLICT IN THAT DAY
  • 00:48:11.600 --> 00:48:15.504
  • BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE'REHAPPY TO BE ON THE GROUND
  • 00:48:15.571 --> 00:48:21.577
  • AND HAD A SUCCESSFULLANDING, THERE WAS ONE THAT
  • 00:48:21.644 --> 00:48:24.814
  • DIDN'T GET RETURNEDTO HER LOVED ONES.
  • 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.217
  • AND IT'S KIND OF A WEIRDCONFLICT, AND DEAN REMINDED
  • 00:48:28.284 --> 00:48:35.725
  • ME OF THAT SCRIPTURE INECCLIASTES THAT SAID, "THERE
  • 00:48:35.791 --> 00:48:38.661
  • IS A TIME TO WEEP AND A TIMETO LAUGH, A TIME TO MOURN,
  • 00:48:38.728 --> 00:48:42.198
  • AND A TIME TO DANCE." ANDTHAT DAY WAS THE DAY I
  • 00:48:42.264 --> 00:48:46.569
  • UNDERSTOOD HOW YOU CAN HAVESUCH A CONFLICT OF BOTH AND
  • 00:48:46.635 --> 00:48:55.044
  • STILL REST IN GOD'SSOVEREIGNTY, GOD'S GOODNESS.
  • 00:48:55.111 --> 00:49:00.583
  • - YOU TALK ABOUT YOURCAREER IN THE NAVY.
  • 00:49:00.649 --> 00:49:03.686
  • I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU WENTTHROUGH AS MUCH IN YOUR NAVY
  • 00:49:03.753 --> 00:49:06.689
  • CAREER, SO MANY DIFFERENTEXERCISES YOU DID.
  • 00:49:06.756 --> 00:49:08.791
  • DID THAT NAVY EXPERIENCINGOR TRAINING, DO YOU THINK
  • 00:49:08.858 --> 00:49:11.527
  • THAT CAME INHANDY DURING THIS?
  • 00:49:11.594 --> 00:49:14.163
  • IT DID?
  • 00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:15.731
  • - YES, YES.
  • 00:49:15.798 --> 00:49:17.566
  • I THINK BOEING TRAININGWAS GREAT AND GOOD, BUT
  • 00:49:17.633 --> 00:49:22.238
  • EXPERIENCE IS LAYERS, ANDIT'S NOT JUST ITS TRAINING
  • 00:49:22.304 --> 00:49:28.210
  • THAT YOU DID LAST YEAROR THE LAST TEN YEARS.
  • 00:49:28.277 --> 00:49:31.213
  • WHEN THE AIRCRAFT FELT LIKEIT WAS STRUCK, AND WE DID A
  • 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.918
  • SNAP ROLL TO THE LEFT,DARREN AND I BOTH GRABBED
  • 00:49:35.985 --> 00:49:40.022
  • THE CONTROLS.
  • 00:49:40.089 --> 00:49:41.991
  • THAT'S A NATURAL REACTION ITHINK ANY PILOT WOULD HAVE,
  • 00:49:42.058 --> 00:49:44.527
  • BUT WHAT YOU DO WITH ITAFTER THAT AND HOW YOU
  • 00:49:44.593 --> 00:49:48.831
  • MAINTAIN A ABILITY TO THINKOUTSIDE OF THE AIRCRAFT.
  • 00:49:48.898 --> 00:49:53.302
  • - WHEN EVERYTHING'SCOLLAPSING AROUND YOU
  • 00:49:53.369 --> 00:49:55.071
  • LITERALLY.
  • 00:49:55.137 --> 00:49:56.972
  • - WHEN EVERYTHING ISNOT WORKING WELL, AND SO
  • 00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.475
  • DEFINITELY THENAVY TRAINING.
  • 00:49:59.542 --> 00:50:01.877
  • AND SOMETIMES, THERE'S JUSTA MENTAL TOUGHNESS THAT
  • 00:50:01.944 --> 00:50:05.147
  • COMES ALONG WITH EXPERIENCETHAT TRAINING ITSELF IT,
  • 00:50:05.214 --> 00:50:09.285
  • TAKES A LITTLE TIME TO AGEBEFORE IT'S PART OF YOUR
  • 00:50:09.351 --> 00:50:13.956
  • HABITS.
  • 00:50:14.023 --> 00:50:15.958
  • SO WE DID LEARN.
  • 00:50:16.025 --> 00:50:18.260
  • I THINK I MENTIONED INTHE BOOK, HABITS BECOME
  • 00:50:18.327 --> 00:50:20.996
  • INSTINCT.
  • 00:50:21.063 --> 00:50:22.865
  • HABITS ON A GOOD DAY AREINSTINCT, ON A BAD DAY...
  • 00:50:22.932 --> 00:50:25.835
  • AND WE HAVE ACHOICE IN THEM.
  • 00:50:25.901 --> 00:50:27.703
  • - YES, WELL TAMMIE JO, WASNOT THE END OF YOUR STORY IN
  • 00:50:27.770 --> 00:50:30.973
  • THE AIR.
  • 00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:35.344
  • IT MAY SHOCK PEOPLE TO KNOWTHAT SHORTLY THEREAFTER,
  • 00:50:35.411 --> 00:50:40.282
  • SHORTLY AFTER THE INCIDENTON APRIL 17TH, YOU WERE BACK
  • 00:50:40.349 --> 00:50:43.853
  • IN THE AIR. HOW DIFFICULT WASTHAT? WAS IT DIFFICULT?
  • 00:50:43.919 --> 00:50:47.256
  • TELL US ABOUT YOUR THINKINGIN GOING BACK AND FLYING AGAIN.
  • 00:50:47.323 --> 00:50:50.259
  • - ACTUALLY, IASKED TO GO BACK.
  • 00:50:50.326 --> 00:50:52.361
  • THREE AND A HALF WEEKSLATER, I FLEW AND
  • 00:50:52.428 --> 00:50:56.432
  • HAVE KEPT FLYING.
  • 00:50:56.499 --> 00:50:58.167
  • WE HAD SOME TIMEOFF, AS WE WANTED IT.
  • 00:50:58.234 --> 00:51:00.035
  • JUST LIKE IF YOU HAD ANACCIDENT IN YOUR CAR, YOU
  • 00:51:00.102 --> 00:51:02.004
  • WOULD STILL GO GET BACK INTOYOUR CAR AND GO TO WORK THE
  • 00:51:02.071 --> 00:51:04.840
  • NEXT DAY.
  • 00:51:04.907 --> 00:51:06.909
  • I MEAN, AVIATION IS KINDOF LIKE THAT FOR ME.
  • 00:51:06.976 --> 00:51:09.445
  • AND IT WAS KIND OF NICETO HAVE A LITTLE SLICE OF
  • 00:51:09.512 --> 00:51:11.947
  • NORMAL.
  • 00:51:12.014 --> 00:51:13.582
  • AND I REALIZED, TOO, THAT IHAVE A DIFFERENT POSITION IN
  • 00:51:13.649 --> 00:51:17.486
  • THIS THAN SAY MY PASSENGERSOR EVEN MY FLIGHT ATTENDANTS
  • 00:51:17.553 --> 00:51:21.824
  • BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE IN THECOCKPIT IN CHARGE OF THE
  • 00:51:21.891 --> 00:51:25.127
  • CONTROLS.
  • 00:51:25.194 --> 00:51:26.595
  • SO I HAD A PLAN.
  • 00:51:26.662 --> 00:51:28.430
  • I KNEW WHAT WAS COMING ORKNEW WHAT TO EXPECT OR DEALT
  • 00:51:28.497 --> 00:51:33.402
  • WITH WHAT WAS COMING.
  • 00:51:33.469 --> 00:51:35.404
  • WHEN YOU'RE IN THE BACK, ANDYOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THINGS
  • 00:51:35.471 --> 00:51:39.308
  • ARE GOING, THAT'S A VERYDIFFERENT SITUATION.
  • 00:51:39.375 --> 00:51:43.946
  • SO ME COMING BACK THREE ANDA HALF WEEK LATER IS NOT A
  • 00:51:44.013 --> 00:51:46.982
  • TESTIMONY TO ME.
  • 00:51:47.049 --> 00:51:49.084
  • IT'S JUST THAT FOR MY LIFE,GETTING BACK UP THE HORSE
  • 00:51:49.151 --> 00:51:52.021
  • WAS -- IT WASN'T EVENSOMETHING THAT I HAD TO
  • 00:51:52.087 --> 00:51:54.623
  • CHALLENGE MYSELF TO DO.
  • 00:51:54.690 --> 00:51:56.559
  • I WANTED TO GET BACK INTOTHE GROOVE, AND I'M STILL
  • 00:51:56.625 --> 00:51:58.827
  • FLYING.
  • 00:51:58.894 --> 00:52:00.596
  • SO LOOK IN THE COCKPITIF YOU EVER FLY.
  • 00:52:00.663 --> 00:52:03.232
  • - I WILL, SOUTHWEST.
  • 00:52:03.299 --> 00:52:04.934
  • DEAN, ANY HESITATION ABOUTTAMMIE JO GETTING RIGHT BACK
  • 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.369
  • AT IT, OR YOU SAID GO GET'EM, GET BACK UP THERE?
  • 00:52:07.436 --> 00:52:09.772
  • - NOT AT ALL.
  • 00:52:09.838 --> 00:52:11.307
  • IT'S JUST WHAT WE DO.
  • 00:52:11.373 --> 00:52:13.576
  • IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCEWE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR
  • 00:52:13.642 --> 00:52:16.378
  • 31 YEARS, AND HAD THEBLESSING OF FLYING THE SAME
  • 00:52:16.445 --> 00:52:20.749
  • AIRPLANES THROUGH THECOURSE OF THAT 31 YEARS.
  • 00:52:20.816 --> 00:52:23.419
  • NO, I WOULD HAVE BEENSHOCKED IF SHE DIDN'T WANT
  • 00:52:23.485 --> 00:52:28.123
  • TO GET BACK IN THE COCKPIT.
  • 00:52:28.190 --> 00:52:29.758
  • - BUSINESS AS USUALWITH NERVES OF STEEL.
  • 00:52:29.825 --> 00:52:32.394
  • WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLETO TAKE FROM THIS?
  • 00:52:32.461 --> 00:52:34.430
  • I KNOW, ALSO, THAT JAMES1:5 HAS A PROFOUND MEANING
  • 00:52:34.496 --> 00:52:37.900
  • FOR YOU, AS WELL.
  • 00:52:37.967 --> 00:52:40.069
  • SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT WITHUS, SOME FINAL THOUGHTS.
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  • - JAMES 1:5 WAS THESCRIPTURE THAT HELPED ME
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  • CHANGE THE IMAGE IN MY HEAD.
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  • I'D ALWAYS THOUGHT OF GOD ASKIND OF THE OLD MAN IN THE
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  • SKY WAITING FOR ME TO MESSUP, AND I DID IT REGULARLY,
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  • SO IT WAS NOT A LOVERELATIONSHIP THAT I FELT
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  • LIKE I HAD WITH HIM.
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  • BUT WHEN I READ JAMES 1:5 ATCHURCH CAMP ONE SUMMER, I
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  • REALIZED THAT WHEN A GOD, ANALL-POWERFUL GOD, SAID, ' IF
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  • YOU NEED WISDOM, ASK ME.
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  • I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU, ANDI WENT EVEN RESENT IT, '
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  • THAT'S A LOVINGRELATIONSHIP, AND SO I
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  • SHIFTED.
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  • SO GOD TOOK ON THE PERSONAOF A YOUNG MAN WHO WALKED
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  • THE SAME EARTH THAT I DID.
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  • AND SO THAT WAS ALIFE-CHANGING DECISION.
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  • AND WHAT WEBELIEVE, WE ACT ON.
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  • THAT WAS THE SAME SUMMERTHAT I READ THE BOOK ABOUT
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  • AVIATION THAT KIND OF SETMY FEET ON THAT PATH, AND I
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  • REALIZE LOOKING BACK --BECAUSE WHEN YOU WRITE A
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  • BOOK, YOU HAVE TO LOOK BACKTO STRING THOSE BEADS ON
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  • THAT LANYARD.
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  • AND I REALIZED THAT DREAMSARE JUST THE STARTING
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  • PISTOL.
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  • IT'S THE RACE AHEAD THATPREPARES US, AND I DO
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  • BELIEVE THAT GOD MEANT FORUS TO HAVE ADVENTURE IN OUR
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  • LIFE.
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  • I THINK IF PEOPLE AREFEELING NUMBED BY LIFE, IT'S
  • 00:54:03.819 --> 00:54:09.191
  • BECAUSE WE ARE MEANT TO HAVEADVENTURE, BUT THERE'S
  • 00:54:09.258 --> 00:54:11.960
  • ALWAYS ADVERSITY IN THAT.
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  • JUST LIKE HE IS WISE INSO MANY WAYS OF LAYERING
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  • EVERYTHING TO FIT SOWELL TOGETHER, IT'S THE
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  • ADVERSITIES WITHIN THOSEADVENTURES THAT PREPARE US
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  • TO BE READY TO MAKE ADIFFERENCE, NOT JUST IN A
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  • DAY, NOT IN A MOMENT,BUT A LIFE TIME.
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  • - TAMMIE JO, YOU'REDOING EXACTLY THAT.
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  • DEAN, TAMMIE JO, THANK YOUSO MUCH FOR SHARING
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  • YOUR INCREDIBLE STORY.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU BOTH, ANDMAYBE WE'LL SEE YOU
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  • SOON UP IN THE SKIES.
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  • - I HOPE SO, THANKS.
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  • - THANKS AGAIN.- THANKS ERICK.
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