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The Birth of The Shack | Episode 4

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July 2, 2018
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  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
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  • - PAUL YOUNG: MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE
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  • AUTHOR OF "THE SHACK".
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME
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  • AND WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY
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  • SPIRIT, QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS
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  • AND GRIEF, QUESTIONS ABOUT WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE,
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  • AND I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
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  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
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  • THE REAL ARC OF THE STORY LINE IN THE SHACK
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  • STARTS IN AN ICE STORM.
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  • WE LIVE IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WHERE THE BOOK
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  • IS SET, AND WEATHER PATTERNS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE.
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  • IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE OF THOSE
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  • CRUSHING ICE STORMS, BUT WE USED TO GET THEM
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  • FAIRLY REGULARLY.
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  • OVER A FEW DAYS, ICE WOULD JUST PILE UP UNTIL
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  • IT WAS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET OUT, AND
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  • IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THESE MACKENZIE
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  • DECIDES TO GO CHECK THE MAIL.
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  • IT TOOK ALMOST A MINUTE TO KNOCK OFF THE ICE THAT
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  • HAD ALREADY SEALED SHUT THE DOOR OF THE MAILBOX.
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  • THE REWARD FOR HIS EFFORTS WAS A SINGLE
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  • ENVELOP WITH ONLY HIS FIRST NAME TYPEWRITTEN ON
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  • THE OUTSIDE.
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  • NO STAMP, NO POSTMARK, AND NO RETURN ADDRESS.
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  • CURIOUS, HE TORE THE END OFF THE ENVELOP WHICH WAS
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  • NO EASY TASK WITH FINGERS BEGINNING TO STIFFEN
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  • WITH THE COLD.
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  • TURNING HIS BACK TO THE BREATH-SNATCHING WIND, HE
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  • FINALLY COAXED THE SINGLE, SMALL RECTANGLE
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  • OF UNFOLDED PAPER OUT OF ITS NEST.
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  • THE TYPEWRITTEN MESSAGE SIMPLY SAID, "MACKENZIE,
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  • IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
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  • I'VE MISSED YOU.
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  • I'LL BE AT THE SHACK NEXT WEEKEND IF YOU WANT
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  • TO GET TOGETHER. SIGNED, PAPA."
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  • THAT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT NOTE TO RECEIVE
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  • FOR MACKENZIE.
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  • THE FACT THAT IT'S SIGNED "PAPA" MEANS THAT IT
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  • COULD BE A REALLY CRUEL HOAX IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS
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  • GREAT SADNESS.
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  • IT COULD BE SOME PRANKSTER, BUT IT COULD
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  • BE A NOTE FROM GOD.
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  • NOW, EITHER GOD IS INVOLVED IN THE DETAILS
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  • OF OUR LIVES, OR GOD IS NOT, AND I BELIEVE THAT
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  • GOD IS INVOLVED.
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  • A LOT OF US GREW UP WITH A WESTERN MENTALITY OF
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  • DEISM WHERE GOD JUST WOUND UP THE UNIVERSE
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  • THEN LEFT TO DO WHATEVER GOD DOES, BUT THAT'S
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  • NOT THE TRUTH.
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  • SCRIPTURE TELLS US THAT GOD IS DEEPLY INVOLVED
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  • EVEN TO THE POINT OF INVOLVEMENT WITHOUT A
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  • GREAT SENSE OF DISCRIMINATION.
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  • GOD DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE WHETHER YOU'RE IN THIS
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  • GROUP OR THAT GROUP.
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  • GOD LOVES PARTICIPATION, AND HE LOVES HUMANITY.
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  • - CAR LEAVES IN 20 SECONDS!
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  • - WE GOTTA GO. LET'S GO.
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  • - DO YOU THINK THE PRINCESS SHOULD HAVE A
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  • RED DRESS LIKE MINE?
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  • - RED, IT IS.
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - MISSY?
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  • - WHERE'S MISSY?
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  • - SORRY, MACK. THEY HAVEN'T SEEN HER.
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  • - MISSY! MISSY!
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  • [SIREN BLARES]
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  • - I WAS SCARED, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
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  • - GROUND TEAMS FOUND A TRUCK IN THE MOUNTAINS.
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  • - I'M REALLY SORRY, MR. PHILLIPS.
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  • [ SCREAMS ]
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  • - NEED SOME HELP OVER THERE?
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  • - I'M OKAY.
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  • - HOW ABOUT SOME DINNER TONIGHT?
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  • - MAYBE NEXT TIME.
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  • [ SCREAMS ]
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  • - I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY.
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  • - WE'VE LOST SO MUCH ALREADY.
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  • I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU, TOO.
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  • - A LETTER SHOWED UP IN MY MAILBOX WITH NO TRACKS
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  • IN THE SNOW.
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  • - YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT GOING BACK THERE,
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  • ARE YOU?
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  • - I GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
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  • - YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
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  • - IT'S CRAZY, BUT THIS IS ALL I GOT.
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  • - I GOT A FIRE GOING INSIDE IF YOU WANT TO WARM UP.
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  • - MACKENZIE ALLEN PHILLIPS.
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  • I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
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  • - DO I KNOW YOU?
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  • - NOT VERY WELL, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
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  • - THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
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  • - ARE YOU STILL HAVING A HARD TIME BELIEVING
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  • THIS IS REAL?
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  • - WHY DID YOU BRING ME HERE?
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  • - THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER THAT WILL TAKE YOUR PAIN AWAY.
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  • - WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU?
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  • - I NEVER LEFT YOU.
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  • I NEVER LEFT MISSY.
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  • AIN'T IT JUST LIKE A TEAR ...
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  • - YOU WANT ME TO FORGIVE HIM?
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  • I WANT HIM TO HURT LIKE HE HURT ME.
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  • - YOU WANT THE PROMISE OF A PAIN-FREE LIFE.
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  • - YEAH.
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  • - THERE ISN'T ONE.
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  • - YOU CAN DO THIS.
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  • - I CAN'T.
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  • - ON YOUR OWN YOU CAN'T.
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  • - THIS IS YOUR FLYING LESSON.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME ...
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  • WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY HOME...
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  • - I BELIEVE YOU.
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  • KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME...
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  • - IT TOOK KIM AND I 11 YEARS TO HEAL.
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  • THAT IS FROM JANUARY 4, 1994 TO THE END OF 2004.
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  • NOW, THAT'S THE MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION.
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  • THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FINISH WORK TO DO, AND
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  • THERE WILL BE PROBABLY FOREVER.
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  • WHEN YOU ENTER INTO A JOURNEY LIKE THAT YOU
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  • DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE 11 YEARS.
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  • I'D LOVE TO SAY WE GET TO HAVE EXTREME SOUL
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  • MAKEOVERS, YOU KNOW, SEND ME TO DISNEYLAND AND FIX
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  • ME BY THE TIME I GET BACK.
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  • I WISH.
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  • GIVE ME A RED OR A BLUE PILL, RIGHT?
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  • DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
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  • WE'RE TOO INCREDIBLY WOUNDED AND TOO
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  • WONDERFULLY AND MAGNIFICENTLY MADE, AND
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  • WE'RE EACH UNIQUELY DAMAGED, AND WE'RE EACH
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  • UNIQUELY HEALED.
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  • SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THAT PROCESS.
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  • ONE OF THEM WAS IN 2004, MY ELEVENTH YEAR.
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  • AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT YEAR, I'M LOOKING DOWN
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  • THE ROAD AND I'M THINKING LIKE, ALL RIGHT.
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  • WE'RE IN FINANCIAL TROUBLE, AND I HAD TO
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  • FACE ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FEARS OF MY
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  • LIFE WHICH HAD ALWAYS BEEN THERE, AND THAT IS
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  • THE FEAR OF FINANCIAL INSECURITY.
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  • I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE FACED THAT, BUT
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  • IT'S SURE BEEN A COMMON THING FOR ME, AND I HAVE
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  • A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT IT'S TRUE ABOUT, SO I
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  • STARTED A FIVE-DAY CONVERSATION WITH GOD.
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  • "HOW COME, GOD?
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  • I HAVE TRUSTED YOU MY ENTIRE LIFE WITH OUR
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  • FINANCES, AND IT'S BEEN UP AND DOWN AND UP DOWN
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  • AND UP AND DOWN."
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  • NOW, AS SOON AS I SAID, "HOW COME I'VE TRUSTED MY
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  • WHOLE LIFE WITH ANYTHING," I SHOULD HAVE
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  • KNOWN I WAS JUST FLAT OUT BS'ING MYSELF, BUT WE GET
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  • SO WRAPPED IN OUR OWN SELF-JUSTIFICATIONS WE
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  • DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE PRISONS THAT WE'RE IN,
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  • AND ON THE FIFTH DAY I HEAR, "PAUL, ARE YOU
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  • READY TO LISTEN?"
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  • WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK I'VE BEEN PRAYING ABOUT
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  • THIS FOR FIVE DAYS FOR?
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  • [ CHUCKLES ]
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  • PAUL, YOU HAVE NEVER TRUSTED ME WITH
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  • YOUR FINANCES. ARE YOU KIDDING?
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  • EVEN THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE
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  • LIVED ON FOR 17 YEARS, AND YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT
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  • I GAVE IT TO YOU, I CAN'T GET MY HANDS ON IT.
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  • AND AS SOON AS I HEARD THAT VOICE INSIDE OF ME,
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  • I WAS CRUSHED.
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  • AND I JUST BAWLED LIKE A BABY BECAUSE IT WAS TRUE.
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  • I DIDN'T TRUST.
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  • NOW, WHEN I AM CONFRONTED WITH THINGS LIKE THAT,
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  • ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED HOW TO DO IS
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  • TO FIND A WAY TO LET GO OF CONTROL,
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  • AND THAT IS A HARD THING BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ABOUT
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  • CONTROL. WHEN YOU HAVE FEAR IN YOUR LIFE,
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  • YOU HAVE ONE OF TWO CHOICES:
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  • TRUST OR CONTROL. THAT'S IT.
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  • AND THE REASON THAT WE GO TO CONTROL IS THAT
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  • WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE LOVED. THAT'S 1 JOHN.
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  • TO THE DEGREE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WE'RE LOVED,
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  • TO THAT DEGREE WE'RE AFRAID.
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  • I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF GUYS IN MY LIFE NOW, OVER THOSE
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  • ELEVEN YEARS, I'D STARTED TO LET MEN INTO MY LIFE,
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  • AND YOU KNOW THAT MEN HAVE CAUSED ME A LOT OF
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  • PAIN. AND IT WAS PART OF REDEMPTION AND HEALING
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  • FOR ME FOR MEN TO BE IN MY WORLD.
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  • SO I CALLED UP A BUNCH OF THEM ON THE PHONE.
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  • I SAID HERE'S THE SITUATION,
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  • HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
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  • I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE MY FAMILY, YOU CARE FOR ME.
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  • PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T RESCUE ME FROM THIS.
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  • THAT AUTUMN, SEVEN OF THOSE GUYS SAT WITH ME
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  • WHILE THE COUNTY AUCTIONED OFF THE HOUSE
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  • WE'D LIVED IN FOR 17 YEARS.
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  • WE LOST EVERYTHING, EVERY MATERIAL THING.
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  • WE LOST OUR HOME, WE LOST OUR CARS, AND IN 2005,
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  • I FINALLY REALIZED I WAS ONE OF THE HEALTHIEST
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  • PEOPLE THAT I KNEW.
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  • I HAD NO MORE ADDICTIONS.
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  • AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE YUCKY ONES,
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  • LIKE PORNOGRAPHY AND STUFF.
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  • I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO THE ADDICTION TO PLEASE
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  • MY DAD OR TO DO SOMETHING GREAT FOR GOD.
  • 00:10:16.270 --> 00:10:22.030
  • SO 2005 CLICKS OVER, WE'RE LIVING IN THIS
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  • LITTLE HOUSE. WE'VE GOT TWO TINY BEDROOMS
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  • AND ONE BATHROOM.
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  • TWO OF THE BOYS ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP AT
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  • UNIVERSITY, SO THERE ARE FOUR KIDS.
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  • KIM IS WORKING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL BAKERY,
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  • AND I COULD WALK FROM THE HOUSE OVER TO THE TRAIN
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  • SO THAT I COULD GET ON THE TRAIN AND GO TO
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  • ONE OF MY THREE JOBS.
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  • AND JOY DROPS ON US LIKE A TON OF BRICKS.
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  • SOMETIMES THE PATH FOR HEALING FOR FEAR IS INTO
  • 00:10:49.060 --> 00:10:54.020
  • THE FEAR ITSELF, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE FOUND OUT?
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  • THAT THE OPPOSITE OF MORE IS ENOUGH.
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  • THE OPPOSITE OF MORE IS ENOUGH.
  • 00:11:04.270 --> 00:11:08.090
  • AND WE HAD ENOUGH.
  • 00:11:08.110 --> 00:11:10.010
  • WE HAD MAYBE $17 DOLLARS AT THE END OF THE MONTH
  • 00:11:10.030 --> 00:11:12.150
  • OR $35 DOLLARS AT THE END OF THE MONTH,
  • 00:11:12.170 --> 00:11:15.000
  • BUT WE HAD ENOUGH.
  • 00:11:15.020 --> 00:11:17.060
  • AND I'M RIDING THE TRAIN TO MY JOB,
  • 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.130
  • AND IT'S 40 MINUTES ONE WAY, AND I'M THINKING,
  • 00:11:19.150 --> 00:11:22.060
  • YOU KNOW, I FINALLY THINK THAT I'M HEALTHY ENOUGH.
  • 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.180
  • THIS IS THE YEAR I'M TURNING 50.
  • 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:28.010
  • I THINK I'M HEALTHY ENOUGH TO WRITE THIS
  • 00:11:28.030 --> 00:11:30.010
  • LITTLE THING KIM'S BEEN ASKING ME TO DO
  • 00:11:30.030 --> 00:11:31.190
  • FOR A FEW YEARS.
  • 00:11:31.210 --> 00:11:33.250
  • AND SO ON THE TRAIN, I WROTE MOST OF A LITTLE
  • 00:11:33.270 --> 00:11:36.220
  • STORY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE IT TO MY KIDS FOR
  • 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.050
  • CHRISTMAS BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING ELSE
  • 00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:41.140
  • TO GIVE THEM THAT YEAR.
  • 00:11:41.160 --> 00:11:44.140
  • AND THAT LITTLE STORY IS CALLED "THE SHACK".
  • 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:47.190
  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
  • 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:56.130
  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
  • 00:11:56.130 --> 00:12:03.290
  • THAT EVENING, AS HE SAT -- THIS IS MACKENZIE,
  • 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:10.260
  • ...SAT AMONG THREE LAUGHING CHILDREN WATCHING ONE OF
  • 00:12:10.280 --> 00:12:13.050
  • NATURE'S GREATEST SHOWS, HIS HEART WAS SUDDENLY
  • 00:12:13.070 --> 00:12:16.160
  • PENETRATED BY UNEXPECTED JOY.
  • 00:12:16.180 --> 00:12:20.050
  • A SUNSET OF BRILLIANT COLORS AND PATTERNS
  • 00:12:20.070 --> 00:12:22.160
  • PLAYED OFF THE FEW CLOUDS THAT HAD WAITED IN THE
  • 00:12:22.180 --> 00:12:24.200
  • WINGS TO BECOME CENTRAL ACTORS IN THIS
  • 00:12:24.220 --> 00:12:27.100
  • UNIQUE PRESENTATION.
  • 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:29.260
  • HE WAS A RICH MAN, HE THOUGHT TO HIMSELF,
  • 00:12:29.280 --> 00:12:34.190
  • IN ALL THE WAYS THAT MATTERED.
  • 00:12:34.210 --> 00:12:37.290
  • HOW OFTEN ARE WE RICH IN WAYS THAT MATTER
  • 00:12:38.190 --> 00:12:43.230
  • AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW?
  • 00:12:43.250 --> 00:12:46.160
  • I'M REMINDED OF A MOTHER TERESA STORY.
  • 00:12:46.180 --> 00:12:48.220
  • SHE WAS IN A CONVERSATION WITH A BILLIONAIRE FROM
  • 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.140
  • THE U.S. WHO HAD COME OVER AND TO SEE HER WORK
  • 00:12:52.160 --> 00:12:55.120
  • WITH THE STREET PEOPLE, THE HOMELESS IN CALCUTTA,
  • 00:12:55.140 --> 00:12:58.170
  • AND HE WAS SO IMPRESSED THAT HE MET WITH HER
  • 00:12:58.190 --> 00:13:00.150
  • AFTERWARDS, AND HE WANTED TO GIVE HER A LARGE
  • 00:13:00.170 --> 00:13:03.110
  • SUM OF MONEY, AND SHE SAID NO.
  • 00:13:03.130 --> 00:13:07.040
  • AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:09.280
  • HE SAID I WANT TO PARTICIPATE,
  • 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.120
  • I WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD,
  • 00:13:11.140 --> 00:13:14.230
  • FOR YOUR WORK.
  • 00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:17.130
  • AND SHE SAID GO HOME AND LOVE YOUR WIFE.
  • 00:13:17.150 --> 00:13:22.270
  • SOMETIMES WE'RE SURROUNDED BY THE THINGS
  • 00:13:22.290 --> 00:13:25.100
  • THAT MATTER, AND WE MAKE SOME GREAT MISSION OR
  • 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.150
  • SOME GREAT IDEA, SOME GREAT VENTURE WHAT
  • 00:13:28.170 --> 00:13:33.000
  • MATTERS, AND WE LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT'S RIGHT
  • 00:13:33.020 --> 00:13:35.130
  • AROUND US. WE DON'T NEED TO BE THANKFUL FOR THE
  • 00:13:35.150 --> 00:13:40.130
  • DIFFICULTIES AND THE TRAGEDIES THAT HAPPEN IN
  • 00:13:40.150 --> 00:13:44.030
  • OUR LIVES, BUT WE CAN BE THANKFUL IN ALL THINGS,
  • 00:13:44.050 --> 00:13:50.180
  • THANKFUL FOR KINDNESS, THANKFUL FOR GRACE,
  • 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.280
  • FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENT WITH US AND A GOD
  • 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.180
  • WHO CONSTANTLY CLIMBS INTO THE MIDDLE OF OUR
  • 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.180
  • CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE WITH US.
  • 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.260
  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
  • 00:14:04.280 --> 00:14:14.050
  • [UPLIFTING MUSIC]
  • 00:14:14.050 --> 00:14:21.190
  • YOU MIGHT THINK THAT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE
  • 00:14:26.210 --> 00:14:29.050
  • A PUBLISHED AUTHOR, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
  • 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:32.280
  • IT WASN'T ON MY BUCKET LIST,
  • 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.120
  • NOT ON MY WISH LIST.
  • 00:14:34.140 --> 00:14:36.040
  • I WROTE AS A CHILD TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET MY
  • 00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:39.040
  • INSIDE WORLD OUT, AND THEN LATER I BEGAN TO
  • 00:14:39.060 --> 00:14:41.240
  • WRITE AS GIFTS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
  • 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:45.110
  • I WROTE A STORY FOR MY KIDS FOR CHRISTMAS,
  • 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:48.070
  • FIFTEEN COPIES AT OFFICE DEPOT.
  • 00:14:48.090 --> 00:14:50.120
  • SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DID FIFTEEN COPIES END UP
  • 00:14:50.140 --> 00:14:53.200
  • BEING THE JUGGERNAUT OF THE SHACK?
  • 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:57.000
  • YOU KNOW YOU GIVE YOUR KIDS A BOOK FOR
  • 00:14:57.020 --> 00:14:58.280
  • CHRISTMAS, IT'S SORT OF LIKE OH, THANKS DAD,
  • 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.020
  • WE'LL GET RIGHT ON THAT.
  • 00:15:02.040 --> 00:15:04.050
  • SO IT TOOK THEM A WHILE TO READ IT.
  • 00:15:04.070 --> 00:15:05.150
  • BUT MY FRIENDS STARTED READING IT AND GIVING IT
  • 00:15:05.170 --> 00:15:07.290
  • TO THEIR FRIENDS WHO WANTED TO GIVE IT
  • 00:15:08.010 --> 00:15:09.190
  • TO THEIR FRIENDS.
  • 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:11.090
  • WELL ONE OF THE COPIES ENDED UP IN THE HANDS OF
  • 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:13.080
  • WAYNE JACOBSEN, AND HE'D WRITTEN THIS LITTLE BOOK
  • 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:16.100
  • CALLED "HE LOVES ME" AND I LOVED THAT LITTLE BOOK.
  • 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:19.000
  • HE'S THE ONLY FOR REAL AUTHOR THAT I'D EVER MET.
  • 00:15:19.020 --> 00:15:21.160
  • HE CALLS ME ON THE PHONE.
  • 00:15:21.180 --> 00:15:23.180
  • NOW, HE NEVER CALLED ME, BUT HE DID. AND HE SAYS
  • 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:27.100
  • "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING SENDING ME THAT MANUSCRIPT?"
  • 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.060
  • NOW I'VE GOT ENOUGH SHAME IN MY HISTORY THAT
  • 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.070
  • I'M KIND OF BACKING UP GOING OH, MY GOSH,
  • 00:15:32.090 --> 00:15:34.140
  • I'VE TOTALLY OFFENDED THE GUY. AND I SAID
  • 00:15:34.160 --> 00:15:36.270
  • "JUST THROW IT OUT."
  • 00:15:36.290 --> 00:15:38.120
  • HE SAID "NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:15:38.140 --> 00:15:40.160
  • I CAN'T PRINT THE PAGES FAST ENOUGH."
  • 00:15:40.180 --> 00:15:43.050
  • I SAID "WHAT?"
  • 00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:44.200
  • HE SAID "PAUL, I DON'T REMEMBER READING
  • 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:46.050
  • SOMETHING THAT HAS HAD THIS KIND OF IMPACT, AND
  • 00:15:46.070 --> 00:15:48.280
  • MY FIRST THOUGHT IS THAT I NEED TO SEND IT TO
  • 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.030
  • SIX OR TEN PEOPLE THAT I KNOW."
  • 00:15:52.050 --> 00:15:54.180
  • WELL, IT TURNS OUT THE TWO OF THEM WERE
  • 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.200
  • BRAD CUMMINGS AND BOBBY DOWNES.
  • 00:15:57.220 --> 00:16:00.120
  • AND BOBBY HAS GOT EXPERIENCE IN MOVIE
  • 00:16:00.140 --> 00:16:03.080
  • PRODUCTION AND MAKING, AND THE THREE OF THEM
  • 00:16:03.100 --> 00:16:05.120
  • TOGETHER HAD ALREADY BEGUN A CONVERSATION
  • 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:07.220
  • ABOUT POSSIBLY MAKING THIS BOOK INTO A MOVIE.
  • 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.100
  • WELL, I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT IT WOULD EVER BE
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.040
  • A BOOK, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MOVIE?
  • 00:16:14.060 --> 00:16:17.250
  • SO I MEET WITH THEM, AND IN THE COURSE OF THAT
  • 00:16:17.270 --> 00:16:21.140
  • CONVERSATION, IT COMES UP THAT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD
  • 00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:25.060
  • IDEA TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN PRINT.
  • 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.190
  • IF YOU CAN WRITE A NOVEL, AND YOU CAN SELL
  • 00:16:27.210 --> 00:16:30.080
  • A HUNDRED THOUSAND COPIES OF A NOVEL,
  • 00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:33.080
  • HOLLYWOOD WILL MOST LIKELY COME TALK TO YOU
  • 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:36.000
  • ABOUT MAKING A MOVIE.
  • 00:16:36.020 --> 00:16:37.210
  • WELL, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAN THAT IN PORTLAND,
  • 00:16:37.230 --> 00:16:39.130
  • OREGON. HOW HARD IS THIS?
  • 00:16:39.150 --> 00:16:41.210
  • WE GOT IT READY.
  • 00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:42.260
  • WE SENT IT TO 26 PUBLISHERS;
  • 00:16:42.280 --> 00:16:44.170
  • HALF OF THEM FAITH-BASED PUBLISHERS,
  • 00:16:44.190 --> 00:16:46.140
  • HALF OF THEM SECULAR, MAINSTREAM PRESS.
  • 00:16:46.160 --> 00:16:48.250
  • NOBODY WANTED IT.
  • 00:16:48.270 --> 00:16:49.290
  • IT GOT TURNED DOWN BY 26 PUBLISHERS.
  • 00:16:50.010 --> 00:16:52.110
  • SO I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION,
  • 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:54.050
  • BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW:
  • 00:16:54.070 --> 00:16:55.200
  • HOW HARD IS IT TO PUBLISH A BOOK?
  • 00:16:55.220 --> 00:16:58.160
  • SO BRAD VOLUNTEERED TO SHIP BOOKS OUT OF HIS
  • 00:16:58.180 --> 00:17:01.040
  • HOUSE AT NIGHT BECAUSE HE WAS PUTTING IN PEOPLE'S
  • 00:17:01.060 --> 00:17:03.040
  • SPRINKLER SYSTEMS DURING THE DAY,
  • 00:17:03.060 --> 00:17:05.040
  • AND WE FOUND A LOCAL PRINTER NEAR HIS HOUSE,
  • 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:07.030
  • AND WE HAD POOLED MONEY.
  • 00:17:07.050 --> 00:17:09.180
  • I HAD A FRIEND IN OREGON WHO LOANED ME SOME MONEY
  • 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.040
  • FOR THE FIRST PRINT RUN.
  • 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:13.260
  • ONE OF THE GUYS HAD SAVINGS,
  • 00:17:13.280 --> 00:17:15.180
  • AND THE OTHER ONE HAD A VISA AND MASTER CARD.
  • 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.140
  • THAT'S IT.
  • 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.180
  • NOW BRAD AND WAYNE HAD A LITTLE PODCAST AND THIS
  • 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.230
  • WAS, TURNS OUT, INCREDIBLY CRITICAL.
  • 00:17:21.250 --> 00:17:25.230
  • THEY'D HAD IT ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WITH REGARD
  • 00:17:25.250 --> 00:17:28.060
  • TO LIFE AND RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS,
  • 00:17:28.080 --> 00:17:30.170
  • NOT ABOUT THE SHACK, BUT THEY HAD STARTED TALKING
  • 00:17:30.190 --> 00:17:33.020
  • ABOUT THE CONCEPTS IN THE SHACK ABOUT SIX MONTHS
  • 00:17:33.040 --> 00:17:35.160
  • BEFORE THE BOOKS LANDED IN THE GARAGE.
  • 00:17:35.180 --> 00:17:37.260
  • AND THAT LITTLE PODCAST WENT TO 150 COUNTRIES
  • 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:41.220
  • 45 MINUTES A WEEK.
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.050
  • AND SO PRIOR TO THE BOOK'S LANDING IN THE
  • 00:17:44.070 --> 00:17:45.230
  • GARAGE, WE GOT ORDERS FOR A THOUSAND COPIES.
  • 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:49.120
  • WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'M GETTING EMAILS FROM
  • 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:51.130
  • ALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:17:51.150 --> 00:17:53.020
  • I GOT AN EMAIL FROM CANADA,
  • 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:54.260
  • AND IT'S GOT A PICTURE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:56.080
  • ONE OF THOSE LITTLE ROADSIDE SIGNS WHERE
  • 00:17:56.100 --> 00:17:59.150
  • SOMEONE'S BEEN KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT?
  • 00:17:59.170 --> 00:18:03.050
  • WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, AND IN THIS CASE,
  • 00:18:03.070 --> 00:18:04.230
  • IT WAS A DAD WHO HAD TAKEN HIS THREE YEAR OLD
  • 00:18:04.250 --> 00:18:07.000
  • DAUGHTER OUT FOR ICE CREAM,
  • 00:18:07.020 --> 00:18:08.290
  • AND THEIR CAR WAS HIT BY A SEMI TRUCK,
  • 00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:12.090
  • AND BOTH WERE KILLED INSTANTLY.
  • 00:18:12.110 --> 00:18:14.080
  • THEY HAD THE LITTLE ROADSIDE MEMORIAL,
  • 00:18:14.100 --> 00:18:16.060
  • AND THERE WAS A POST NEXT TO IT,
  • 00:18:16.080 --> 00:18:17.210
  • AND ON THE POST SOMEONE HAD BUNGEE CORDED
  • 00:18:17.230 --> 00:18:19.260
  • A COPY OF "THE SHACK".
  • 00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:22.100
  • THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST E-MAILS THAT I GOT, AND I
  • 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:25.240
  • STARTED GETTING E-MAILS FROM PEOPLE THAT AREN'T JUST
  • 00:18:25.260 --> 00:18:27.290
  • TELLING ME, "I LIKED YOUR BOOK." THEY'RE TELLING
  • 00:18:28.010 --> 00:18:30.150
  • ME THEIR STORY.
  • 00:18:30.170 --> 00:18:32.150
  • THEY'RE TELLING ME, "THIS IS HOW YOUR LITTLE BOOK LANDED
  • 00:18:32.170 --> 00:18:35.200
  • IN THE MIDDLE OF MY GREAT SADNESS" OR "MY FAMILY'S
  • 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:38.160
  • GREAT SADNESS" OR "MY COMMUNITY'S GREAT SADNESS".
  • 00:18:38.180 --> 00:18:42.070
  • WE WENT THROUGH 22.000 BOOKS IN 60 DAYS, AND THEN WE WENT
  • 00:18:42.090 --> 00:18:45.160
  • THROUGH 33.000 BOOKS IN 30 DAYS, AND THAT'S WHEN WE
  • 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:49.190
  • STARTED GETTING THE CALLS FROM THE PUBLISHERS WHO HAD
  • 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:51.170
  • TURNED US DOWN.
  • 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:53.280
  • WE HAD A CALL FROM BARNES AND NOBLE.
  • 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.180
  • THEY SAID, "NORMALLY..." -- AND BY THIS TIME, A LOT OF
  • 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.150
  • OUR CONVERSATIONS STARTED WITH THE WORD NORMALLY,
  • 00:18:59.170 --> 00:19:01.210
  • NORMALLY THIS.
  • 00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:03.190
  • THEY SAID, "NORMALLY, WE CHARGE A LOT OF MONEY FOR A
  • 00:19:03.210 --> 00:19:06.260
  • PUBLISHER TO PUT THEIR BOOKS AT THE FRONT OF THE OUR
  • 00:19:06.280 --> 00:19:09.110
  • STORES NATIONWIDE. IT'S CALLED "PLACEMENT".
  • 00:19:09.130 --> 00:19:12.060
  • WOULD YOU CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO DO THAT FOR YOU FOR
  • 00:19:12.080 --> 00:19:14.250
  • THREE MONTHS FOR FREE?"
  • 00:19:14.270 --> 00:19:18.190
  • WELL, LET ME PRAY AND FAST ABOUT THAT ONE, RIGHT?
  • 00:19:18.210 --> 00:19:22.110
  • SURE, SO WE DID, AND THEY DID, AND THE BOOK JUST
  • 00:19:22.130 --> 00:19:25.160
  • TOOK OFF LIKE A ROCKET.
  • 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.210
  • AMAZON WAS TAKING OFF, AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN, PEOPLE
  • 00:19:27.230 --> 00:19:31.130
  • WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THIS, AND IT WAS SPREADING
  • 00:19:31.150 --> 00:19:33.250
  • LIKE A WILD FIRE, BUT NOBODY SAW IT COMING.
  • 00:19:33.270 --> 00:19:37.230
  • 26 PUBLISHERS HADN'T SEEN IT COMING.
  • 00:19:37.250 --> 00:19:39.210
  • WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE IT COMING.
  • 00:19:39.230 --> 00:19:42.000
  • IN THE FIRST 13 MONTHS FROM MAY OF '07 TO JUNE OF '08
  • 00:19:42.020 --> 00:19:48.130
  • WE SPENT LESS THAN $300 IN MARKETING AND ADVERTISING,
  • 00:19:48.150 --> 00:19:53.040
  • AND WE SHIPPED 1.1 MILLION COPIES OF "THE SHACK".
  • 00:19:53.060 --> 00:19:57.100
  • THIS HAS BEEN A GOD THING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
  • 00:19:57.120 --> 00:20:00.080
  • NONE OF US SAW THIS COMING, AND THIS LITTLE, TINY BOOK
  • 00:20:00.100 --> 00:20:05.000
  • BEGINS TO CAUSE RIPPLES INSIDE THE CONVERSATION OF
  • 00:20:05.020 --> 00:20:11.060
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IN TERMS OF THE FATHER, SON,
  • 00:20:11.080 --> 00:20:14.010
  • AND HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:20:14.030 --> 00:20:15.280
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:26.200
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:34.080
  • - THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT A ROCK-AND-ROLL SONG THAT WILL
  • 00:20:34.100 --> 00:20:38.150
  • TOUCH YOU IN A WHAT THAT SERMONS NEVER WOULD, OR IF
  • 00:20:38.170 --> 00:20:41.130
  • YOU'RE OUT HIKING IN THE WOODS, AND YOU'RE UP ON A
  • 00:20:41.150 --> 00:20:43.180
  • MOUNTAIN, THINGS WILL TALK TO YOU AND SPEAK TO YOU THAT
  • 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.220
  • YOU WON'T INSIDE OF A BUILDING, BUT GOD DOESN'T
  • 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.090
  • SEEM TO BE A RESPECTER OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES.
  • 00:20:50.110 --> 00:20:54.090
  • GOD'S INVOLVED IN THE DETAILS.
  • 00:20:54.110 --> 00:20:56.050
  • I MEAN, HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN A GROUP OF RELIGIOUS
  • 00:20:56.070 --> 00:20:59.010
  • ELDERS GOING TO AN ELTON JOHN CONCERT AND LIFTING UP
  • 00:20:59.030 --> 00:21:01.140
  • THEIR LIGHTERS AND HANDS RAISED, WHICH THEY WOULD
  • 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.290
  • NEVER DO INSIDE OF A CHURCH BUILDING, RIGHT?
  • 00:21:05.010 --> 00:21:08.100
  • OR 60.000 PEOPLE RAISING THEIR HANDS AND SINGING
  • 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:11.230
  • PSALM WITH U2. GOD'S INVOLVED.
  • 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:16.050
  • THERE'S THIS GREAT VERSE IN ACTS, "THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS
  • 00:21:16.070 --> 00:21:20.140
  • BEEN POURED OUT ON ALL FLESH." LIKE NOT JUST SOME.
  • 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:26.210
  • AND WHEN THAT WAS ANNOUNCED IN ACTS CHAPTER 2,
  • 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:29.130
  • THERE WEREN'T ANY CHRISTIANS AROUND.
  • 00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:31.260
  • THEY HADN'T BECOME CHRISTIANS YET.
  • 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:34.160
  • THAT NAME HAD NOT BEEN APPLIED TO THEM.
  • 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:37.120
  • THIS WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT BEING POURED OUT.
  • 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:40.100
  • THAT MEANS EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN MATTERS.
  • 00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:42.250
  • IT MEANS THERE'S NO SECULAR SPIRITUAL DIVIDE.
  • 00:21:42.270 --> 00:21:46.210
  • LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
  • 00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:48.180
  • JESUS IS GOD COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN.
  • 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.210
  • IN FACT, IF YOU WANT TO READ ABOUT IT, I'D SUGGEST START
  • 00:21:52.230 --> 00:21:55.120
  • WITH THE GOSPEL OF JOHN.
  • 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:57.070
  • LOOK AT THE LIFE OF JESUS.
  • 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:59.110
  • WALK WITH HIM AND ASK QUESTIONS LIKE, "WHY, IF HE
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  • IS GOD, IF HE'S IN THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS FATHER
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  • IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHY IS THIS
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  • HAPPENING? WHY DOES HE SAY THIS?" OPEN YOURSELF UP.
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  • I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU COME FROM A JEWISH
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  • BACKGROUND, A MUSLIM BACKGROUND, A CHRISTIAN
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  • BACKGROUND, AN ATHEIST BACKGROUND.
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  • THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL RESONATE INSIDE THE GOSPEL
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  • STORY WITH YOUR HUMANITY BECAUSE JESUS DOESN'T COME
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  • TO START A RELIGION.
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  • JESUS COMES TO TELL US WHAT IT'S LIKE OR TO SHOW US,
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  • ACTUALLY, WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE FULLY HUMAN
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  • AND FULLY ALIVE.
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  • - SUCCESS AND FAILURE, THEY BOTH BRING THINGS OUT OF US,
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  • BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
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  • THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF PRESSURE.
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  • I THINK THAT GOD IS, A LOT OF TIMES, PART OF THE
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  • ARCHITECT BEHIND SUCCESS KNOWING THAT SUCCESS IS
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  • GOING TO BRING CRAP OUT OF US THAT FAILURE NEVER WOULD.
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  • IT DID OUT OF ME.
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  • I HAD TO DEAL WITH SOME THINGS ABOUT ACTUALLY HAVING
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  • SOMETHING AND FEELING GUILTY ABOUT IT BECAUSE I
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  • GREW UP MISSIONARY KID, PREACHER'S KID WITH A
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  • POVERTY MENTALITY.
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  • AND FRANKLY, LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S EASIER NOT TO HAVE
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  • ANYTHING IN SOME RESPECTS THAN TO HAVE SOMETHING, AND
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  • ALSO I GREW UP WITH A SENSE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MY
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH MY DAD, THAT I HAVE AN ORPHAN HEART,
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  • AND ORPHANS DON'T THINK ANYTHING ACTUALLY
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  • BELONGS TO THEM.
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  • THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S MORE WORTHY TO
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  • COME AND TAKE IT, AND I HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT.
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  • I'M SO GLAD TWO THINGS EXISTED FOR ME BEFORE THE
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  • BOOK WAS WRITTEN.
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  • ONE IS THE THINGS MATTER TO ME WERE IN PLACE.
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  • THE BOOK ISN'T WRITTEN TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL.
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  • THE BOOK IS WRITTEN AS AN EXPRESSION OF THE HEALING
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  • THAT HAS HAPPENED IN MY LIFE.
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  • IDENTITY, WORTH, VALUE, SIGNIFICANCE, SECURITY,
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  • MEANING, PURPOSE, DESTINY, COMMUNITY, LOVE
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  • WERE ALL IN PLACE.
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  • THE BOOK HAS ADDED NOTHING OF THOSE TO ME.
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  • WHAT THE BOOK HAS GIVEN ME IS AN ENTRE' INTO
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  • CONVERSATIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD,
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  • INTO PEOPLE'S STORIES.
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  • I THINK WE'RE BORN BAREFOOT BECAUSE WE WERE DESIGNED TO
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  • WALK ON THE HOLY GROUND OF GOD'S ACTIVITY IN THE LIVES
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  • OF OTHER PEOPLE.
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  • THOSE FIRST 15 COPIES THAT I DID AT OFFICE DEPOT,
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  • THEY DID EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED THAT BOOK TO DO.
  • 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.150
  • - SO IN THIS EPISODE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SUCCESS
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  • AND FAILURE AND WHETHER THAT'S BEEN DEFINED BY GOD
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  • OR WHETHER THAT'S BEEN DEFINED BY THE VOICES THAT
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  • HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ME OR WHETHER I HAVE THIS HIGH
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  • EXPECTATION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
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  • SO HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT: HOW DO I DEFINE
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  • SUCCESS, AND HOW DO I DEFINE FAILURE?
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  • AND WHAT MATTERS TO ME WITH REGARD TO THAT CONVERSATION?
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  • GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT, AND SEE WHAT DRIVES YOU AND HOW
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  • YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOTTEN THERE.
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  • WE'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT TIME.
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