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July 14, 2018
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  • - PAUL YOUNG: MY NAME IS PAUL YOUNG, AND I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE SHACK .
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  • I WANT TO INVITE YOU ON AN ADVENTURE WITH ME AND
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  • WITH THE BOOK.
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  • A LOT OF YOU HAVE READ IT.
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  • YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • SOME OF YOU HAVE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT AND YOU
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS.
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  • THIS IS A BOOK THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE RELATIONSHIP
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  • WITH THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT, QUESTIONS THAT WE
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  • HAVE ABOUT HURT AND LOSS AND GRIEF, QUESTIONS
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  • ABOUT WONDER AND BEAUTY AND JOY.
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  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE A LIFE OF FAITH?
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  • WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT DEATH?
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  • WHY DO TRAGIC THINGS HAPPEN TO US?
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  • THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE,
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  • AND I WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME WITH ME.
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  • THIS IS AN INVITATION.
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  • - YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THAT WE AS HUMAN BEINGS
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  • HAVE A UNIVERSAL ADDICTION.
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  • THAT'S THE ADDICTION TO BEING RIGHT.
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  • AND I COME FROM A TRIBE RELIGIOUSLY SPEAKING
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  • WHERE BEING RIGHT WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVING.
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  • AND DON'T LAUGH AT US.
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  • I MEAN, EVERYBODY DOES THIS.
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  • I DO.
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  • SO ADMIT YOU'RE AN ADDICT.
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  • I'M AN ADDICT.
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  • HI. MY NAME IS PAUL.
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  • I'M ADDICTED TO BEING RIGHT.
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  • YES. A LOT OF US ARE LIKE THAT.
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  • HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE
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  • YOU'VE HEARD THAT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING,
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  • AND YOU WON'T EVEN ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION TO SEE
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  • IF IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE?
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  • WE WOULD RATHER BE ANGRY AND BE RIGHT THAN TAKE
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  • THE RISK OF A CONVERSATION THAT MIGHT
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  • CHANGE OUR MINDS.
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  • IT'S CRAZINESS, BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
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  • IT'S PART OF THE HUMAN DILEMMA, AND WE NEED TO
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  • FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER.
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  • MY FIRST PROTESTERS, AND I'VE HAD SOME PROTESTERS
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  • ABOUT THE SHACK, BUT MY FIRST MAJOR PROTESTERS
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  • WERE IN ORLANDO.
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  • NOT AT DISNEYLAND, BUT I WAS SPEAKING TO LIKE
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  • 2.000 PEOPLE, AND I GET TO THE VENUE AND THERE'S
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  • THESE PROTESTERS, AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR SIGNS
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  • AND THE BANNERS OUT.
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  • I'M THINKING, WHAT IS THIS?
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  • LIKE AN ANTI-ABORTION RALLY OR SOMETHING?
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  • AND I GO LIKE, WHAT'S THE DEAL?
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  • AND ONE OF THE GUYS SAID NO, PAUL.
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  • THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE OF YOU.
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  • I SAID, I'VE GOT PROTESTERS?
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  • THEY SAID, YEAH.
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  • THEY'RE PROTESTING YOU.
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  • I WENT, ARE YOU KIDDING?
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  • A COUPLE YEARS AGO I WAS CLEANING TOILETS AND
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  • SHIPPING OUT SOLDERING TIPS AND BEING A HOTEL
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  • NIGHT CLERK, AND I'VE GOT PROTESTERS?
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  • LIKE, HOW COOL IS THIS?
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  • SO IT'S ORLANDO, AND IT'S LIKE 90 DEGREES OUT AND
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  • 100% HUMIDITY, AND THESE GUYS ARE WORKING
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  • THEMSELVES UP INTO A SWEAT, SO THERE WAS THIS
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  • BIG CASE OF WATER INSIDE THE DOOR.
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  • AND I SAID, CAN I HAVE THESE?
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  • THEY SAID, YEAH.
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  • SO I TOOK IT OUT AND I START HANDING BOTTLES OF
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  • WATER TO THESE GUYS BECAUSE I'M KIND OF THE
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  • REASON THEY'RE SWEATING SO BAD, AND THEY TAKE THE
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  • WATER AND THEY'RE DRINKING IT.
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  • AND ONE OF THE GUYS FINALLY LEANS OVER IS TO
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  • ME AND HE SAYS, SO DO YOU WORK HERE?
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  • [ LAUGHTER ]
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  • AND I SAID NO.
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  • HE SAID, THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, HANDING OUT WATER?
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  • I SAID, I WROTE THE BOOK YOU'RE MAD ABOUT.
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  • WHAT? SO THEY ALL GATHERED AROUND, AND WE HAVE THIS
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  • 15-MINUTE CONVERSATION.
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  • AND I COME TO FIND OUT NOT ONE OF THE GUYS HAD
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  • ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK.
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  • [ LAUGHTER ]
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  • THAT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON EXPERIENCE.
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  • THOSE ARE MY PEOPLE SO YOU BE CAREFUL HOW YOU
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  • TAKE ABOUT THEM.
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  • BUT NONE OF THEM HAD READ IT.
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  • A COUPLE OF GUYS SAID, WE'LL READ IT.
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  • YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • IT'S TOTALLY OKAY.
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  • I INVITED THEM IN, AND THEY SAID NO.
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  • AND AS SOON AS I WALK AWAY THEY'RE BACK ON THE
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  • BULL HORNS, THIS VIOLATES THE PRINCIPLES OF GOD.
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  • THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD.
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  • AND I JUST HAD TO LAUGH.
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  • THIS IS US AS HUMAN BEINGS ADDICTED TO BEING RIGHT.
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  • SO WHAT IS TEACHABILITY?
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  • TEACHABILITY IS ALLOWING WHAT IS BEING
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  • COMMUNICATED TO CHALLENGE WHAT WE ASSUME TO BE TRUE
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  • ALREADY, TO LET IT COME IN AND LET IT SPEAK TO
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  • US, TO LET IT ENGAGE.
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  • IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO EMBRACE IT AND PUT OUR
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  • ARMS AROUND IT BUT LET'S AT LEAST INTERACT WITH IT
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  • BECAUSE PEOPLE AROUND US HAVE A LOT TO TELL US,
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  • AND LISTENING TO OTHERS SOMETIMES IS THE BEST WAY
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  • TO GROW.
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - THE OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE OF MY EMAILS,
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  • MY MESSAGES, MY CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE
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  • HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.
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  • PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN ME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE
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  • IMPACT OF THE SHACK.
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  • NOW, THERE ARE A FEW WHO HAVE HAD A PROBLEM, AND
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  • THEY'RE USUALLY MY PEOPLE, PEOPLE FROM MY
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  • TRADITIONAL BACKGROUND.
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  • THEY ARE CONCERNED, AND A LOT OF THEM ADMITTEDLY
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  • HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK AND ARE STILL UPSET ABOUT IT.
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  • BUT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ISSUES THAT NEED TO
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  • BE TALKED THROUGH.
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  • AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I COME FROM THAT WORLD.
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  • I KNOW WHAT BOTHERS THEM.
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  • I KNOW WHY SOME OF THESE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS HAVE
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  • SET THEM OFF A LITTLE.
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  • THEY'VE HEARD ABOUT IT IF THEY HAVEN'T
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  • READ IT THEMSELVES.
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  • I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A PAGE THAT GOT ME
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  • INTO A LITTLE HOT WATER.
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  • USUALLY IT'S 184 IN MOST OF THE EDITIONS.
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  • MACKENZIE IS TALKING TO JESUS, AND
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  • JESUS SAID, YOU KNOW, MACKENZIE, I DIDN'T
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  • COME TO MAKE PEOPLE CHRISTIANS.
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  • I'M NOT ONE.
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  • AND THAT SURPRISED A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH IF
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  • YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
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  • JESUS HAS NEVER BEEN A CHRISTIAN.
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  • IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AFTER HE ASCENDED HE
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  • WENT, OH, MY GOODNESS, I COULD HAVE BECOME A CHRISTIAN.
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  • HE'S A JEW.
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  • AND HE COMES FROM THE JEWISH TRADITION.
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  • GOD THE FATHER HAS NEVER BEEN A CHRISTIAN, AND THE
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  • HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO NOT A CHRISTIAN.
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  • THE TERM CHRISTIAN WAS ACTUALLY A PEJORATIVE TERM.
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  • IT WAS A NEGATIVE THAT WAS APPLIED TO THIS
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  • LITTLE CULT OF THE JESUS WAY PEOPLE, AND I HAVE NO
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  • PROBLEM IDENTIFYING MYSELF AS A CHRISTIAN,
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  • BUT IF SOMEBODY ASKS IF I AM ONE I USUALLY SAY,
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  • WOULD YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ONE IS?
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  • AND I'LL TELL YOU IF I'M ONE OF THOSE.
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  • IF YOU REMEMBER, JESUS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A
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  • STRUGGLE WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.
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  • ACTUALLY A BIG STRUGGLE.
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  • IT SEEMED LIKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAD THE FURTHEST TO GO.
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  • THEY WERE ENTRENCHED IN THEIR IDEOLOGY
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  • OR PHILOSOPHY.
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  • THEY TENDED TO SUPPORT THE POLITICAL SYSTEMS OF
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  • THE DAY RATHER THAN BE A DISTINCTIVE VOICE.
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  • JESUS DID NOT COME TO START A NEW RELIGION
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  • CALLED CHRISTIANITY.
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  • JESUS CAME TO SHOW US IN THE FLESH WHAT IT'S LIKE
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  • TO BE FULLY HUMAN AND FULLY ALIVE.
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • [ MUSIC ]
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  • - THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE STATEMENT FURTHER DOWN
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  • THAT CHAPTER.
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  • JESUS IS ABOUT TO GO INTO THE WORKSHOP AND
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  • MACK CATCHES HIM, AND HE ASKS
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  • THIS QUESTION.
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  • SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL ROADS LEAD TO PAPA?
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  • DO ALL ROADS, ALL THOUGHT, ALL IMAGINATIONS
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  • LEAD TO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?
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  • JESUS LAUGHS, AND HE SAYS, NO.
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  • HE SAYS, MOST ROADS DON'T LEAD ANYWHERE, BUT I WILL
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  • GO DOWN ANY ROAD TO FIND YOU.
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  • AND THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL
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  • STATEMENTS THAT EMERGED, SOMETHING THAT I WROTE
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  • THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WOULD HAVE THE KIND OF
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  • IMPACT THAT IT HAS.
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  • BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.
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  • THERE IS NO ROAD THAT YOU'RE ON, RELIGIOUS OR
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  • NON-RELIGIOUS, ADDICTION, DESPAIRING, PRODUCTIVE,
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  • ARTISTIC, THERE IS NO ROAD THAT YOU'RE ON THAT
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  • GOD WILL NOT GO DOWN TO FIND YOU.
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  • BUT AS A RESULT OF THAT ONE, I GOT ACCUSED OF THE
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  • WORD UNIVERSALISM, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES
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  • PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PUT YOU INTO A CATEGORY AND
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  • THEN SORT OF ASSASSINATE THE CATEGORY.
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  • UNFORTUNATELY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE LIKE MY PEOPLE
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  • HAVE DONE THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
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  • THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE OF GOD.
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  • A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THAT IMAGINATION THAT
  • 00:09:07.180 --> 00:09:09.170
  • CREATION IS SORT OF SPUN OUT THERE INTO THE SPACE
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  • OUTSIDE OF GOD.
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  • THERE IS NO SPACE OUTSIDE OF GOD.
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  • EVEN OUTER SPACE IS INSIDE OF GOD.
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  • ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF GOD WOULD BE NON-BEING.
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  • NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS VERY
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  • SPECIFIC. NOT ONLY WAS CREATION CREATED IN GOD,
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  • BUT SPECIFICALLY IN CHRIST. JOHN 1:3.
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  • NOT ANYTHING THAT IS COME INTO BEING HAS COME INTO
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  • BEING APART FROM HIM REFERRING TO JESUS.
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  • LOOK AT THE OTHER WRITINGS OF PAUL.
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  • EVERYTHING IS BY, FOR, THROUGH AND IN HIM.
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  • IT'S SUSTAINED IN HIM.
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  • SO RIGHT FROM THE GET GO, LET'S MAKE THIS
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  • DECLARATION, EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING IS IN CHRIST
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  • BECAUSE CREATION IS IN CHRIST.
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  • READ JOHN 14:20.
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  • JESUS SAYS THAT IN A VERY DEFINITIVE WAY.
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  • SO DO ALL ROADS LEAD TO GOD?
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  • NO. BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT EVEN OTHER FAITH
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  • TRADITIONS OR NON-FAITH TRADITIONS,
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  • PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF RELATIONSHIP
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  • WITH GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS STILL ACTIVE.
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  • THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THINGS ABOUT OUR
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  • HUMANITY THAT CAN ONLY BE THE UNVEILING OF THEIR
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  • EYES BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ACTIVE REGARDLESS OF THE
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  • WALLS THAT WE SET UP.
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  • WE'RE THE ONES THAT BUILD INSTITUTIONS.
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  • GOD DOES NOT.
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  • SO IF UNIVERSALISM MEANS DOES EVERY ROAD LEAD TO
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  • GOD, EVERYTHING IS THE SAME, RELATIVISM, NO.
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  • I'M NOT A UNIVERSALIST.
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
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  • HERE'S A TRICKY ONE.
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  • IS EVERYONE SAVED?
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  • IF UNIVERSALISM ASKS THE QUESTION IN WHAT JESUS
  • 00:11:17.150 --> 00:11:21.100
  • HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS EVERYONE SAVED?
  • 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:25.280
  • OR IS ONLY A FEW PEOPLE SAVED?
  • 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.280
  • ONLY THE ONES THAT GOD CHOSE FROM BEFORE THE
  • 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.270
  • FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD?
  • 00:11:31.290 --> 00:11:33.290
  • THAT HE CHOSE SOME FOR DESTRUCTION AND SOME
  • 00:11:34.010 --> 00:11:36.170
  • FOR NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH?
  • 00:11:36.190 --> 00:11:40.160
  • I CATEGORICALLY BELIEVE ALONG WITH VERY GOOD
  • 00:11:40.180 --> 00:11:44.120
  • COMPANY ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE EARLY CHURCH
  • 00:11:44.140 --> 00:11:46.140
  • FATHERS EVERYONE IS INCLUDED IN WHAT JESUS DID.
  • 00:11:46.160 --> 00:11:52.290
  • WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE WAS TO KILL HIM.
  • 00:11:53.010 --> 00:11:55.080
  • THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION.
  • 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:58.020
  • GOD IN THE HANDS OF ANGRY SINNERS.
  • 00:11:58.040 --> 00:12:00.190
  • BUT EVERYBODY GOT INCLUDED.
  • 00:12:00.210 --> 00:12:03.200
  • THAT IS THE GOOD NEWS. YOU GOT INCLUDED.
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:07.140
  • A LOT OF TIMES WE TRY TO MAKE THEOLOGY INTO
  • 00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:09.160
  • A TRANSACTION, A FORM OF MAGIC.
  • 00:12:09.180 --> 00:12:13.070
  • WE EVEN CAME UP WITH AN INCANTATION CALLED
  • 00:12:13.090 --> 00:12:15.130
  • THE SINNER'S PRAYER.
  • 00:12:15.150 --> 00:12:17.210
  • IF YOU SAY THIS THING AND IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE BUT
  • 00:12:17.230 --> 00:12:19.250
  • IF YOU SAY THIS, THEN YOU GET TO MOVE FROM HERE TO
  • 00:12:19.270 --> 00:12:22.190
  • THERE. SALVATION NOT ONLY IN TIME PRIOR TO CREATION
  • 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:27.200
  • WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN JESUS,
  • 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:30.270
  • BUT IN TIME WAS ACCOMPLISHED FOR EVERY
  • 00:12:30.290 --> 00:12:33.170
  • SINGLE HUMAN BEING.
  • 00:12:33.190 --> 00:12:36.180
  • FOR CHRIST RECONCILED THE WORLD TO HIMSELF,
  • 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.150
  • AND GOD THE FATHER WAS IN HIM,
  • 00:12:40.170 --> 00:12:43.150
  • NOT COUNTING THEIR SINS AGAINST THEM.
  • 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:46.020
  • HOW ABOUT TIMOTHY?
  • 00:12:46.040 --> 00:12:48.170
  • HERE'S A STATEMENT THAT IS TRUE AND WORTHY OF
  • 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:50.240
  • FULL ACCEPTANCE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE
  • 00:12:50.260 --> 00:12:54.270
  • SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND, ESPECIALLY BELIEVERS.
  • 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:59.210
  • BUT WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
  • 00:12:59.230 --> 00:13:06.160
  • OUTWORKING OF WHAT JESUS HAS ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE
  • 00:13:06.180 --> 00:13:09.010
  • GOD HAS A HIGH VIEW OF HUMANITY.
  • 00:13:09.030 --> 00:13:11.120
  • MY CHOICES MATTER.
  • 00:13:11.140 --> 00:13:14.000
  • SO POTENTIALLY EVEN THOUGH WHAT JESUS HAS
  • 00:13:14.020 --> 00:13:16.280
  • FULLY ACCOMPLISHED IS SURE FOR ME AS A HUMAN
  • 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.260
  • BEING, I CAN REJECT IT. POTENTIALLY FOREVER.
  • 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:24.240
  • SO IF YOU DEFINE UNIVERSALISM AS THE
  • 00:13:24.260 --> 00:13:27.240
  • DOCTRINE THAT EVERYONE ULTIMATELY WILL BE FULLY
  • 00:13:27.260 --> 00:13:32.220
  • RESTORED BACK TO GOD, I'M NOT A UNIVERSALIST.
  • 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:38.030
  • NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG, I HOPE THAT THAT IS TRUE.
  • 00:13:38.050 --> 00:13:42.000
  • I LEAN AS FAR INTO THAT AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT
  • 00:13:42.020 --> 00:13:45.110
  • BECOMING A DETERMINIST.
  • 00:13:45.130 --> 00:13:48.010
  • A DETERMINIST IS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THAT YOU
  • 00:13:48.030 --> 00:13:50.180
  • DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE,
  • 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.180
  • AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEOLOGY THAT
  • 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.090
  • IS DETERMINISTIC.
  • 00:13:54.110 --> 00:13:56.050
  • AND IF WE MAKE A DOCTRINE OUT OF THIS,
  • 00:13:56.070 --> 00:13:58.180
  • I THINK WE LOSE THIS SENSE OF RESPECT FOR
  • 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.120
  • THE HUMAN BEING TO MAKE A CHOICE.
  • 00:14:01.140 --> 00:14:03.240
  • I ALSO DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER BE SEPARATED FROM
  • 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:06.070
  • GOD OR THAT GOD WILL ANY TIME STOP PURSUING US.
  • 00:14:06.090 --> 00:14:09.260
  • UNIVERSALISM. UNIVERSAL SALVATION, I'M IN.
  • 00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:13.050
  • UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION AS A DOCTRINE,
  • 00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:15.130
  • I'M NOT THERE.
  • 00:14:15.150 --> 00:14:17.200
  • BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU.
  • 00:14:17.220 --> 00:14:21.030
  • IF GOD IN GOD'S WISDOM PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF
  • 00:14:21.050 --> 00:14:25.160
  • THE UNIVERSE KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BRING TO THE
  • 00:14:25.180 --> 00:14:29.230
  • TABLE THE CROSS AND THAT GOD WOULD CLIMB ONTO IT
  • 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:32.110
  • AND SUBMIT TO OUR DARKNESS,
  • 00:14:32.130 --> 00:14:35.020
  • IF GOD KNOWS THIS, AND GOD KNOWS HOW TO WIN
  • 00:14:35.040 --> 00:14:38.180
  • EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING EVER CONCEIVED FULLY BACK
  • 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:44.160
  • TO FACE-TO-FACE RELATIONSHIP REGARDLESS
  • 00:14:44.180 --> 00:14:47.240
  • IF IT TAKES AGES OF JUDGMENT,
  • 00:14:47.260 --> 00:14:51.010
  • WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO IT?
  • 00:14:51.030 --> 00:14:54.030
  • SEE, I USED TO BE OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT I
  • 00:14:54.050 --> 00:14:57.070
  • WAS BETTER THAN SOMEBODY, AND THERE WERE PEOPLE
  • 00:14:57.090 --> 00:14:59.230
  • THAT I KNEW THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT.
  • 00:14:59.250 --> 00:15:02.000
  • I'M NOT THERE ANYMORE.
  • 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:04.270
  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
  • 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:16.150
  • [JOYFUL MUSIC]
  • 00:15:16.150 --> 00:15:23.290
  • I HOPE THAT GOD IN GOD'S WISDOM FROM THE
  • 00:15:25.270 --> 00:15:28.150
  • FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD KNEW HOW TO WIN WITHOUT
  • 00:15:28.170 --> 00:15:31.140
  • ANY COERCION EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING BACK
  • 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:34.130
  • FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE FATHER,
  • 00:15:34.150 --> 00:15:39.070
  • SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:15:39.090 --> 00:15:42.140
  • MEANWHILE, WE CREATE INSTITUTIONS.
  • 00:15:42.160 --> 00:15:45.060
  • EVERY INSTITUTION THAT EXISTS ON THE PLANET,
  • 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.150
  • HUMAN BEINGS HAVE CREATED.
  • 00:15:47.170 --> 00:15:49.190
  • WE CREATED RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.
  • 00:15:49.210 --> 00:15:51.140
  • INSTITUTIONS ARE A WAY FOR US TO EMBODY OUR
  • 00:15:51.160 --> 00:15:54.140
  • INTENTION AND DESIRE, AND IT HAS GOOD IMPACTS AND
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.150
  • IT HAS EVIL IMPACTS.
  • 00:15:57.170 --> 00:16:00.020
  • BUT GOD DOES NOT ORIGINATE INSTITUTIONS.
  • 00:16:00.040 --> 00:16:02.070
  • GOD IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:04.050
  • WHAT ABOUT THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE?
  • 00:16:04.070 --> 00:16:06.120
  • MARRIAGE ISN'T AN INSTITUTION.
  • 00:16:06.140 --> 00:16:08.080
  • IT'S A RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:10.110
  • BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE INSTITUTION THAT WE
  • 00:16:10.130 --> 00:16:13.290
  • CREATE BECOMES MORE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT
  • 00:16:14.010 --> 00:16:16.250
  • THAN THE PEOPLE WHOM GOD LOVES,
  • 00:16:16.270 --> 00:16:20.010
  • SO INSTITUTIONS BEGIN TO CONTROL AND DOMINATE.
  • 00:16:20.030 --> 00:16:22.200
  • WHAT ABOUT POLITICS?
  • 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:25.000
  • GOD DIDN'T ORIGINATE POLITICS.
  • 00:16:25.020 --> 00:16:27.040
  • YOU KNOW WHO DID? CAIN.
  • 00:16:27.060 --> 00:16:28.200
  • READ YOUR OLD TESTAMENT.
  • 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:32.190
  • READ THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES.
  • 00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:34.170
  • CAIN BUILT THE FIRST CITY IN ABSOLUTE ANTAGONISTIC
  • 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:36.280
  • REBELLION AGAINST GOD, AND HE BEGAN A SYSTEM OF
  • 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.030
  • CONTROL WHERE PEOPLE WOULD DOMINATE OTHER
  • 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:43.150
  • PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET WHAT THEY WANTED IN
  • 00:16:43.170 --> 00:16:46.000
  • OPPOSITION TO GOD.
  • 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:49.080
  • THIS IS WHY THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AUTOMATICALLY
  • 00:16:49.100 --> 00:16:51.130
  • IN CONFLICT WITH POLITICAL SYSTEMS,
  • 00:16:51.150 --> 00:16:56.030
  • WITH RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS, WITH ECONOMIC SYSTEMS,
  • 00:16:56.050 --> 00:16:59.140
  • WITH ALL THE HUMAN INSTITUTIONS THAT WE
  • 00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:02.220
  • BRING TO THE TABLE, NONE OF WHICH ARE ETERNAL IN
  • 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.150
  • NATURE. INSTITUTIONAL SYSTEMS HAVE LESS
  • 00:17:05.170 --> 00:17:08.050
  • LIFE THAN ROCKS.
  • 00:17:08.070 --> 00:17:11.260
  • YOU TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF THEM AND THEY DO NOT
  • 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:14.210
  • EVEN CRUMBLE TO DUST.
  • 00:17:14.230 --> 00:17:17.000
  • THEY ARE JUST IMAGINATIONS OF CONTROL.
  • 00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:19.120
  • AND WE GET TO BE A PART OF THIS INCREDIBLE
  • 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:22.170
  • COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LEARNING TO AGREE
  • 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:25.290
  • WITH GOD ABOUT THE TRUTH OF WHO WE ARE.
  • 00:17:26.010 --> 00:17:29.010
  • WE CAN LOVE WITHOUT CONDITION,
  • 00:17:29.030 --> 00:17:32.280
  • WITHOUT AGENDA.
  • 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.010
  • WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO CONVERT ANYBODY.
  • 00:17:35.030 --> 00:17:37.030
  • WE GET TO TELL PEOPLE THE GOOD NEWS THAT THEY WERE
  • 00:17:37.050 --> 00:17:39.120
  • INCLUDED IN JESUS, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INCLUDED.
  • 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:42.190
  • WE JUST LOST THE PLOT.
  • 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:45.290
  • WE IN OUR DARKENED MIND TURNED OUR FACE AWAY AND
  • 00:17:46.010 --> 00:17:48.120
  • CREATED INSTITUTIONS AND SYSTEMS,
  • 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:51.230
  • AND GOD CLIMBS INTO THEM.
  • 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:54.080
  • ONE OF THOSE LINES THAT I THINK I GOT DIRECTLY FROM
  • 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:57.150
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THIS,
  • 00:17:57.170 --> 00:18:02.130
  • THE ONLY TIME YOU'LL FIND GOD IN A BOX IS BECAUSE
  • 00:18:02.150 --> 00:18:05.130
  • GOD WANTS TO BE WHERE WE ARE.
  • 00:18:05.150 --> 00:18:07.290
  • THAT IS BEAUTIFUL TO ME.
  • 00:18:08.010 --> 00:18:10.240
  • THAT HELPS ME DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN SYSTEMS.
  • 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:13.020
  • YOU CAN'T AVOID THEM.
  • 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:15.200
  • WE HAVE A WHOLE WORLD PROLIFERATED WITH SYSTEMS:
  • 00:18:15.220 --> 00:18:18.000
  • RELIGIOUS, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, EDUCATIONAL, WHATEVER.
  • 00:18:18.020 --> 00:18:22.180
  • THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE BE IN THEM?
  • 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.190
  • BECAUSE GOD HAS JOINED US IN THEM.
  • 00:18:27.210 --> 00:18:29.260
  • HOW DO WE BE IN THEM AND NOT OF THEM, AND THAT'S WHY WE
  • 00:18:29.280 --> 00:18:34.050
  • NEED TO HEAR THE VOICE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:18:34.070 --> 00:18:38.010
  • WE NEED TO HEAR THE NOW-SPEAKING WORD OF GOD
  • 00:18:38.030 --> 00:18:41.220
  • EVERY SINGLE DAY, TEACHING US CREATIVELY HOW TO LOVE
  • 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:46.010
  • INSIDE THIS WORLD AND THE CONSTRUCTS THAT WE, AS HUMAN
  • 00:18:46.030 --> 00:18:49.280
  • BEINGS, HAVE CREATED.
  • 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.010
  • WE ARE GETTING FREE TO WHAT?
  • 00:18:53.030 --> 00:18:57.150
  • NOT TO HURT ANYONE, NOT TO JUDGE ANYONE, BUT TO LOVE.
  • 00:18:57.170 --> 00:19:03.010
  • THAT'S PARTICIPATION.
  • 00:19:03.030 --> 00:19:05.180
  • THIS IS GOOD NEWS.
  • 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.280
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:19:16.070 --> 00:19:26.080
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:33.270
  • - SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL OF CREATION CREATED
  • 00:19:33.290 --> 00:19:37.080
  • IN CHRIST, AND THAT INCLUDES THE DEVASTATION THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:41.000
  • BROUGHT TO THE PLANET.
  • 00:19:41.020 --> 00:19:43.150
  • WE TURNED OUR FACE AWAY, AND IT CREATED THIS SUFFERING
  • 00:19:43.170 --> 00:19:46.260
  • AND DARKNESS AND DEVASTATION, AND WHERE IS
  • 00:19:46.280 --> 00:19:50.190
  • GOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT?
  • 00:19:50.210 --> 00:19:53.070
  • A LOT OF US, WE HAD EXPERIENCES THAT WE THOUGHT
  • 00:19:53.090 --> 00:19:56.260
  • WE WERE COMPLETELY ALONE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE.
  • 00:19:56.280 --> 00:20:02.170
  • AND PART OF OUR JOURNEYS BACK TO OUR SHACKS SOMETIMES
  • 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:05.210
  • IS GOING TO THOSE SPECIFIC MEMORIES AND INSIDE OF THOSE
  • 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:09.160
  • MEMORIES, BEGINNING TO LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN
  • 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:12.100
  • FIND JESUS PRESENT.
  • 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:14.230
  • AND JESUS IS ALWAYS PRESENT.
  • 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:17.040
  • I WANT TO READ YOU AN E-MAIL, AND THERE ONE IS
  • 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:20.270
  • FROM MAGGIE MALLOY, AND SHE SAID, "I WANTED TO SHARE
  • 00:20:20.290 --> 00:20:26.010
  • SOME INSIGHTS I CAME ACROSS IN THE SHACK.
  • 00:20:26.030 --> 00:20:29.080
  • MACK HAS JUST SEEN HIS KIDS IN THE VISION, AND SHE'S
  • 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:32.260
  • SITTING ON WATER'S EDGE WITH JESUS.
  • 00:20:32.280 --> 00:20:36.010
  • MACK FINALLY ADMITS THAT WHAT REALLY STILL BOTHERS
  • 00:20:36.030 --> 00:20:38.220
  • HIM ABOUT MISSY'S PASSING IS THE THOUGHT OF MISSY BEING
  • 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:42.100
  • ALONE IN THE TRUCK AND TERRIFIED.
  • 00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:45.160
  • JESUS THEN GOES ONTO EXPLAIN HOW HE AND GOD THE FATHER
  • 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:49.140
  • AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, SARAYU, NEVER LEFT MISSY; HOW AT
  • 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.160
  • FIRST, HER FEAR WAS SO OVERWHELMING, BUT THE
  • 00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:58.070
  • TRINITY HAD A LONG TRUCK RIDE TO GET HER
  • 00:20:58.090 --> 00:21:00.280
  • CALMED DOWN AND RELAXED.
  • 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.090
  • PAUL, READING THIS PORTION SHOT RIGHT THROUGH ME
  • 00:21:03.110 --> 00:21:06.040
  • BECAUSE I HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.
  • 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:08.250
  • AS A 15 YEAR-OLD CROSS COUNTRY RUNNER IN GALILEAN,
  • 00:21:08.270 --> 00:21:11.270
  • OHIO WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED, I KNEW ABOUT JESUS
  • 00:21:11.290 --> 00:21:15.090
  • AND GOD, BUT NOT AS FATHER, AN AS SAVIOR.
  • 00:21:15.110 --> 00:21:20.200
  • AND I SEPARATED FROM THE TEAM DURING A 6 A.M.
  • 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:24.130
  • PRACTICE AND WAS RUNNING BACK TO THE SCHOOL WHERE WE
  • 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:27.090
  • HAD STARTED FROM WHEN I WAS GRABBED FROM BEHIND
  • 00:21:27.110 --> 00:21:29.230
  • BY A MAN I DIDN'T KNOW.
  • 00:21:29.250 --> 00:21:32.110
  • A GUN IS JABBED INTO MY SIDE.
  • 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:35.010
  • I'M ORDERED TO WALK AND WAS LED BACK TO A WOODED AREA
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:37.120
  • BEHIND THE AREA OF Y.M.C.A.
  • 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:40.100
  • DURING THE DURATION OF THAT MORNING, I WAS RAPED TWICE,
  • 00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:44.240
  • STRANGLED, BURIED UNDER SOME BRUSH, UNCOVERED, AND
  • 00:21:44.260 --> 00:21:48.180
  • EVENTUALLY SHOT FIVE TIMES WITH A 22, LEFT FOR DEAD.
  • 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:53.070
  • IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING, GOD BLESSED ME TO WALK
  • 00:21:53.090 --> 00:21:57.050
  • AWAY FROM THAT DAY SO I COULD CONTINUE.
  • 00:21:57.070 --> 00:22:00.080
  • I RUN TRACK AND FEEL IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGIATE LEVELS
  • 00:22:00.100 --> 00:22:03.090
  • DESPITE THREE BULLETS PERMANENTLY LODGED
  • 00:22:03.110 --> 00:22:05.020
  • IN MY BODY.
  • 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:07.200
  • NOW, DESPITE THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, I'M E-MAILING
  • 00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:10.030
  • OUT OF EXCITEMENT AS I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT FEELS LIKE
  • 00:22:10.050 --> 00:22:14.280
  • TO HAVE THE PEACE OF JESUS IN YOU WHEN ABSOLUTE HELL IS
  • 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.060
  • HAPPENING TO AND AROUND YOU.
  • 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:23.060
  • THOUGH I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM AT
  • 00:22:23.080 --> 00:22:25.220
  • THE TIME, I'LL NEVER FORGET THE CALMNESS THAT OVERCAME
  • 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:29.120
  • ME AS DAYLIGHT CAME, AND THE MORNING WORE ON.
  • 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:33.140
  • YES, I WAS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED AS ONE HORRIBLE
  • 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.270
  • THING AFTER ANOTHER HAPPENED TO ME NOT KNOWING IF I'D BE
  • 00:22:37.290 --> 00:22:40.250
  • ALIVE TO SEE THE END OF THE DAY.
  • 00:22:40.270 --> 00:22:43.130
  • HOWEVER, WHAT OVERTOOK THAT FEAR WAS THIS CALMNESS I
  • 00:22:43.150 --> 00:22:46.090
  • BEGAN TO FEEL, JUST LIKE I DESCRIBED THROUGH
  • 00:22:46.110 --> 00:22:49.230
  • JESUS TO MACK.
  • 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:52.160
  • IT DID TAKE THE TRINITY TO GET ME CALM AND ASSURE ME
  • 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:55.220
  • EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE OKAY SOMEHOW.
  • 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.000
  • WHEN I READ THAT PORTION OF THE SHACK, IT STRUCK ME: HOW
  • 00:22:59.020 --> 00:23:03.000
  • COULD YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS PRESENCE AND THIS PEACE?
  • 00:23:03.020 --> 00:23:06.210
  • ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE KNOW THIS KIND OF
  • 00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:09.230
  • PEACE IN THE MIDDLE OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:14.020
  • MAYBE IT WAS WHEN YOU WERE BEING ABUSED AS A CHILD, TO
  • 00:23:14.040 --> 00:23:18.050
  • HAVE THE PEACE OF CHRIST IN YOU WHEN HELL IS
  • 00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:21.000
  • HAPPENING AROUND YOU.
  • 00:23:21.020 --> 00:23:23.190
  • I ACTUALLY TRIED TO HIM LAUGHING AND TALKING HOPING
  • 00:23:23.210 --> 00:23:26.220
  • THAT THE POLICE WOULD FIND US; WHATEVER I HAD TO DO TO
  • 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.190
  • KEEP THE GUN FROM GOING OFF, IT WAS WORTH IT.
  • 00:23:29.210 --> 00:23:33.050
  • I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAME TO DISCOVER THIS, BUT I CAN
  • 00:23:33.070 --> 00:23:36.040
  • IDENTIFY WITH YOU THAT THE PEACE IS VERY REAL,
  • 00:23:36.060 --> 00:23:39.030
  • AND IT SAVED ME.
  • 00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:42.070
  • EVEN WHILE I WAS ACTUALLY BEING SHOT, IT WAS LIKE GOD
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  • REACHED DOWN, PUT HIS HAND OVER MY SOUL AND TOLD IT TO
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  • STAY IN MY BODY AND REASSURED MY SOUL HE HAD
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  • PLACED IT IN A BODY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND
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  • WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO IT.
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  • IT WASN'T UNTIL YEARS LATER WHEN I GREW IN MY
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  • RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS THAT GOD TOOK ME TO THAT DAY IN
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  • 1994 AND SHOWED ME THAT HE WAS THERE AND
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  • HOW HE SAVED ME. I DIDN'T SAVE MYSELF.
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  • FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT DAY GOD SPARED ME.
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  • I'M WRITING TO YOU ABOUT THE PEACE OF CHRIST.
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  • WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO US OUTSIDE OF US,
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  • BUT WE CAN HAVE THE PEACE OF JESUS WITHIN US." I WANT TO
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  • READ YOU WHAT MAGGIE'S TALKING ABOUT.
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  • "JESUS WALKED OVER AND SAT NEXT TO HIM ON THE LOG.
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  • MACK LEANED OVER AND PUT HIS ELBOWS ON HIS KNEES STARING
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  • PAST HIS HANDS AND DOWN AT THE PEBBLES
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  • NEAR HIS FEET.
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  • FINALLY, HE SAID,'I KEEP THINKING ABOUT HER ALONE IN
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  • THAT TRUCK, SO TERRIFIED.' JESUS REACHED OVER AND PUT
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  • HIS HAND ON MACK'S SHOULDER AND SQUEEZED.
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  • GENTLY, HE SAID,'MACK, SHE WAS NEVER ALONE.
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  • I NEVER LEFT HER.
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  • WE NEVER LEFT HER, NOT FOR ONE INSTANT.
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  • I COULD NO MORE ABANDON HER OR YOU THAN I COULD ABANDON
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  • MYSELF.' 'DID SHE KNOW YOU WERE THERE?'
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  • 'YES, MACK, SHE DID, BUT NOT AT FIRST.'
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  • I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS
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  • INTIMATE GOD OF LOVE BEING INVOLVED
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  • WITH YOU IN THE MIDST OF TRAGEDY AND EVEN DEATH.
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  • THE QUESTION IS HOW HAS GOD BEEN INVOLVED WITH YOU IN
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  • THE MIDST OF YOUR LOSSES?
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  • CAN YOU LOOK BACK AND DESCRIBE TO YOURSELF, OR TO
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  • SOMEONE THAT YOU TRUST, WHAT THAT WAS LIKE?
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  • AND WE'LL TALK TO YOU AGAIN NEXT TIME.
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