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Sekulow | Jay Sekulow - Details Revealed As Trump Denies Harvard Funds | April 30, 2025

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- welcome to sekulow.
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This is logan sekulow.
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The trump administration made a big claim that harvard,
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Sorry about that.
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Harvard, you no longer are going to get your federal funding
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Because you have not done
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What we've said you're supposed to.
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And that was to the tune, let's hear this dollar figure,
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To the tune of $2 billion in your federal tax dollars
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That we're going to fund harvard.
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- well, that's right.
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So this is a freeze of actually 2.2 billion.
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So you left off about 200 million there, logan,
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- [logan] 2.2? - yeah, $2.2 billion.
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They were originally looking up to $9 billion in freezing.
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That is still under review.
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We'll see what happens there.
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But this comes after the department of education
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On april 11th sent a letter outlining governance
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And leadership reforms, merit-based hiring reform,
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Merit-based admissions reform,
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International admission reform
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And viewpoint, diversity in admissions and hiring,
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As well as reforming programs
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With egregious records of antisemitism or other bias.
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Well, harvard yesterday, late yesterday,
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Announced that they will not be complying with these.
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- they will not ballot down these reforms
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To the federal government that was giving them two,
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Let's say this again, $2.2 billion.
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Now, if you were to guess how much harvard was getting,
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You probably could think,
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"yeah, they're getting maybe tens of millions of dollars."
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I don't know if there's anyone who was thinking
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That their amount of federal funding for harvard,
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Not a cheap place to go to college.
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- that's right. it's about $57,000 a year for just tuition.
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When you add in-
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- [logan] 200 plus thousand dollars, then.
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- you add in the other fees associated with it,
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You're up to around 80 something thousand dollars a year.
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- [logan] gigantic endowment.
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- right? $53 billion.
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The largest education endowment in the world, i believe.
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- and harvard has stated
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That this actually would be worth
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Somewhere north of $9 billion if defunded.
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Of course, maybe over the length of time.
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Did you think that's where your taxpayer dollars were going?
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These are those moments where we are actually happy
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Not only to see the doge department,
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To see places going into clean up government waste.
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'cause let's just be honest, i got no beef with harvard.
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I got no issues with harvard.
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Many of our friends went to harvard.
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However, i don't believe that anyone thinks
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That $2 billion of our federal funding
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Should be going to harvard.
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And of course now they've made it easy.
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'cause they said, you know what?
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We're gonna let happen, antisemitism.
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We're gonna let it keep rising on our campuses.
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And if obviously those are the new rules
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From the trump administration.
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So, you know what, even without this,
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I think it was time to re-look
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At how we are funding these universities at this scale.
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- and when we get back,
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We're gonna tell you how harvard responded.
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You're not gonna believe it,
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Or maybe you will because it's harvard.
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But just the entitlement
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That you are seeing from these institutions
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Of higher learning that we know where this goes.
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But just stick around to hear exactly how they responded
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To this request for reforms from the federal government.
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Give you a little bit of recap here.
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The trump administration has decided to hold funds
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From harvard university
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Federal dollars that were going to harvard
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To the tune of $2 billion,
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$2.2 billion in federal funding
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Now on hold until harvard gets themselves together
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And starts going by the rules and regulations
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The federal government has put in place.
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Now, a lot of those have to do, of course,
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Coming out of the pro-palestinian pushes
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And the anti-semitic pushes
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That were happening on college campuses,
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As well as other things that have been put in place, will.
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But harvard has responded
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And you wanted to share that with our audience.
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- yeah, that's right.
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So one, harvard responded in multiple ways.
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Their attorneys sent a letter
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To the department of education,
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But we also have a statement that was posted on x
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From harvard university's official account
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With a quote from president allen garber.
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Remember, this is a new president
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After the previous president,
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Which i think we should refresh everyone's minds
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In a little bit with-
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- [logan] joe biden was the previous president.
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- well, no, the previous president of harvard who-
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- [logan] i was just trying to throw you off.
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- who gave a very biden esque performance-
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- [logan] yeah, there you go.
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- when she was questioned about antisemitism,
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But here's what the current president's alan garber said,
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"no government, regardless of which party in power
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Should dictate what private universities can teach,
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Whom they can admit and hire,
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And which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue."
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This is the university that is taking billions of dollars
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From the federal government and is saying,
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"you can't tell us what to do with that money."
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There's also a quote from the department of education
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And the general services administration
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Who put out this statement
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Detailing the freeze of the $2.2 billion in the grants.
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And it says, "harvard's statement today
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Reinforces the troubling entitlement mindset that is endemic
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In our nation's most prestigious universities and colleges.
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That federal investment
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Does not come with the responsibility
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To uphold civil rights laws."
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The federal government is saying,
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"if we're giving you all this money,
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You have to uphold civil rights laws.
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You have to protect the members of your academic community
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That are being targeted by pro hamas terrorists."
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We saw how bad it got,
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And they're trying to say, "we are doing things,
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But we're gonna do it our way.
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We're not gonna be beholden to the government,
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Making sure that we are following
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And upholding the civil rights
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Of jewish students on our campus."
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That is a serious problem.
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- [logan] well, let's throw it back then.
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- right? - let's throw it back.
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Of course you said this was the previous president harvard.
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- [will] that's right.
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- they had to leave because of obvious reasons,
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The pressure was on because of these kind of conversations.
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This is with elise stefanik as well.
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This happened what, last year?
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- [will] yes.
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- year and a half ago or so. take a listen.
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- and dr. gay at harvard,
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Does calling for the genocide of jews
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Violate harvard's rules of bullying and harassment?
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Yes or no?
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- it can be depending on the context.
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- what's the context?
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- targeted as an individual, targeted at an individual.
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- it's targeted at jewish students. jewish individuals.
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Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them?
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Do you understand that dehumanization
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Is part of antisemitism?
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I will ask you one more time.
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Does calling for the genocide of jews
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Violate harvard's rules of bullying and harassment?
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Yes or no?
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- antisemitic rhetoric when it crosses-
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- [elise] is it antisemitic rhetoric?
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- anti-semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct
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That amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation
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That is actionable conduct and we do take action.
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- i forgot, i think i blocked this one out, i'll be honest.
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Because of how disturbing and disgusting it really was.
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I mean, if you just take out,
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"calling for the genocide of jews,
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Does it violate your rules for bullying and harassment?"
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"it can, depending on the context."
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That was the world we are living in.
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Sadly, it hasn't gotten a whole lot better,
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But the trump administration has gone in and said,
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"let's try to help.
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Let's try to make this better."
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Of course, we're finding out more and more information
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About what your tax dollars are going to,
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We've been talking about that for decades,
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That your tax dollars are going to things
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That you maybe don't approve of.
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Of course, we all knew there's federal funding
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Of universities.
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Look, i worked for a university last year.
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I know there's funding that comes from that.
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I'm not just saying no one should be receiving
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Any federal funding if you're in the education system.
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But do i think that harvard,
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One of the biggest with a $200,000 plus,
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That's just the base to go there for four years
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Needs with billions of dollars,
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Billions and tens of billions of dollars in endowment.
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Do they need $2 billion from our taxpayer funding?
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You gotta remember how much a billion is,
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To then get to your head to 2.2 billion.
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It's an unfathomable amount of money
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That we are just handing over to harvard and saying,
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"good luck. have fun."
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And we've been doing that probably for years.
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- that's right.
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And one of the facts
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That we were talking about in our pre-meeting is that,
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If you were just to decide to count to a billion,
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Just you, logan is gonna just, this is now your life's goal.
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It's gonna take you a while to count to 1 billion.
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Just one of them, would take over 31 years.
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And that's assuming-
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- [logan] that's without sleeping?
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- yeah, i'm assuming that's without eating, sleeping,
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You couldn't make it there.
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- that's just go one, two, and then count to-
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- i mean, maybe you could pick up the pace a little bit.
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That was pretty slow.
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- but if you try to even just sound out a billion dollars
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Or nine, let's say whatever it is, $1 less.
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It's an absurd amount
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- 999,999,999.
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It takes more than a second,
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Is what you're trying to get to, right?
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- [logan] yeah, exactly.
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- it's a large number. - [logan] big dollars.
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- this is $2.2 billion going to harvard
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And harvard's trying to argue,
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"hey, federal government, you have to give us money,
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But you can't say there's any strings attached."
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There's a reason why universities like hillsdale,
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And there's not many of them in this country,
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But they don't take any federal dollars, why?
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Because they said we don't want the federal government
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To have a say in what we teach here.
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They admit that.
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They know that, "if we take federal money,
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Then they are going to be able to shape the education
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At our university."
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Harvard now is trying to say,
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"how dare you give us billions of dollars
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And then try to speak into
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How we protect jewish students on campus."
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After what we've seen
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For well over a year and a half at this point
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After the october 7th massacres,
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The attempted genocide in israel
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And the way that people on those campuses responded.
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They're trying to say,
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"you can't tell us how to run our own university,
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But you have to give us this money."
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It's ridiculous.
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- let's take some phone calls.
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I got ron in pennsylvania.
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He's got a question i think a lot of,
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I could see in the chat a hundred times.
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A lot of people have this question. ron, go ahead.
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- [ron] yeah, good morning. good day.
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How are you doing?
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I'm calling from the great, well it isn't great,
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But we're calling from the state of pennsylvania
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And i'm appalled at all these people protesting on campuses.
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All these palestinians going out there
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And they burning american flags
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Or raising the palestinian flags
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And there's no respect for america.
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All these colleges have trust funds,
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Millions of dollars in them.
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Why aren't they using that money
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To support their needs
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Instead of leaking off of our federal tax dollars?
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- well, that's precisely what we were just talking about.
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I think this is, again,
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Another eye-opening moment for america.
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As you realize that you're not talking
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About a few million dollars
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That's going to these universities.
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I imagine if it's going to harvard
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Then you assume that ivy league schools in general
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Are probably receiving similar funding
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To the tune of billions and billions of dollars.
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- you know what's fascinating about this,
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And i'm so glad ron called, is that, you know,
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The university at harvard has a $53.2 billion endowment.
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So that is a, you know, their investment fund,
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Their cash reserves, it's enormous.
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And a lot of times universities they use that money.
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They take the interest
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And they're able to use that for funding in ways,
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But it's a non-taxed pile of money
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Because of their tax exempt status.
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And here's the problem,
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America writ large, whether it be our government,
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Our institutions aren't living within their means.
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They expect the american people to, but they're not.
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They're saying, and this is what is so ironic to me,
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Is that why they're endowment can't save them
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Is because of many of the donations
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That are given to the endowment are for specific things
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And have strings attached, like naming rights,
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Certain scholarship funds, certain buildings to be built.
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So the money they have
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Has strings attached from private donors.
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But they're trying to say that the money
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That the federal government gives you
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Can't have strings attached
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About how to protect the american citizens
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That are going to this university
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And that are being targeted because they're jewish,
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That is so outlandish
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And that they don't see the irony here.
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That the reporting is like,
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Well, the endowment can't really save them
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Because they can't just use that money.
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How about live within your means
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And not be so like beholden
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To the federal government's checkbook
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That you can't operate?
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You can't be an elite university without getting this money.
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If you're a, quote, "private institution," you're not,
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You're quasi-private if that at best,
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You're more like a public university
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That is trying to claim this banner
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Of privatized institution.
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- look, we're shining a spotlight
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On where your tax dollars are going
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And where they've been spent.
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Whether that's a planned parenthood,
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Whether that's a planned parenthood,
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(calm music)
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Welcome back to sekulow jeff ballabon from aclj jerusalem
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Is joining us,
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But of course you have a moment of time here
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Where harvard, prestigious university,
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One of america's, if you will, according to them,
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Says, "hey, we still want your $2 billion,"
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Your 2.2 billion, again billion dollars.
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That is coming from the federal government,
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Which i think is an eye-opening moment for a lot of people
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That's even happening.
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"but we don't want any strings attached,"
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Especially not those strings
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That say we can't fester antisemitism on campus.
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- it's nice to see things happening,
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Beginning to happen under this administration
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To those who have really been calling openly
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For the genocide of the jews,
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Including many at harvard university,
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Being sanctioned, being coddled by faculty
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And certainly students.
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And so this is a moral thing to do.
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This is not just, by the way,
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Threatening america's students,
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Anybody who would send their child to a school like harvard,
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An institution like harvard would understand
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That this level of evil exists
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And is being promoted by the school
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And protected by the school.
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Indeed, it seems to be so freshest to the school
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That they're willing to forego a couple of billion dollars.
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And now there the latest news is
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That the president is threatening their tax exempt status.
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Well good, that needs to happen.
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- and jeff, the university through their president
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Put out a statement saying,
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"no government, regardless of which party in power
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Should dictate what private universities can teach,
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Whom they can admit and hire
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And which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue."
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And then our former president, barack obama,
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Also weighed in by reposting that
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And adding this commentary,
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"harvard has set an example for other higher ed institutions
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Rejecting an unlawful and ham-handed attempt
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To stifle academic freedom while taking concrete steps
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To make sure all students at harvard can benefit
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From an environment of intellectual inquiry,
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Rigorous debate and mutual respect.
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Let's hope other institutions follow suit."
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The two big issues i see here,
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Besides the fact that we're handing these piles of cash
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Over to these universities
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That don't really serve the american interest,
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At the end of the day,
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They're actually fostering ideas
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That are quite anti-american through the use of these funds.
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But that even the former president
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Would get on here and say something like that is,
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"look how good harvard is,
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That all students can benefit from an environment
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Of intellectual integrity, rigorous debate
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And mutual respect."
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Has he not turned on a television
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In the last year and a half
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And seen what has been happening
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At his law school, alma mater,
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At his undergrad alma mater columbia,
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Which also was given these list of demands,
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They decided to make the deal with the president
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So they could save 400 million.
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Still a big number, not quite 2 billion.
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But how can he sit there
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And say that this is a culture of mutual respect
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On harvard's campus?
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- well, let's be clear, former president obama,
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He was very much at the root of much of this problem.
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Of mainstreaming, this kind of left wing.
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We judge people based on their identity,
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Based on this so-called hierarchy of privilege.
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And at the very top of the hierarchy,
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The most evil people of all are the jews.
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And so president obama
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Is very much part of bringing this into culture,
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Normalizing this.
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And so of course he's defending harvard.
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He was part of the problem.
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- yeah, and jeff,
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When you look at this from a even a bigger perspective
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Right now in this season, you will brought up,
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Are they not watching the news?
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Do they not know?
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I was talking to a friend the other day
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Who certainly falls on the other side
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Of the israel-gaza situation,
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And it only took about 10 minutes, 15 minutes
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Of me really talking to him to realize
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Not only did he not understand the situation really at hand,
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It was reading a lot of headlines.
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He was 'cause of the news he takes in
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Was blissfully unaware of the anti-semitic issues
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That were happening around the country.
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Probably did not even see the shapiro home bombing,
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- [will] governor shapiro. - governor shapiro.
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Now that was, you know, since i've spoken with him.
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But those kind of things,
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Because fulfills a narrative
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That the mainstream media doesn't wanna fulfill.
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It becomes very easy if you're isolated
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And you're only looking at one side of the story.
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- that's right.
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There are a lot of people of goodwill in this country
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Who simply are unaware because they're consuming news,
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Not recognizing that most of the important things
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That are happening simply aren't being reported on
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Or things that they would want know about
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Aren't being reported on.
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And this goes across the board.
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It's not just how news is reported.
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It is what news is omitted, what's considered news.
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And this is a, my background, not only in law,
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But also from the news industry
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And working for network news and cable news.
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This is a tremendous amount of the problem.
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I've seen the newsrooms across the board when they consider
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What it is they wanna present to the american public,
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Unfortunately there is an agenda
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And it's not always an intentional agenda,
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It's their own mindset.
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And so yes, this is a problem. you're right.
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That's why it's so necessary
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That we report this and explain this to people.
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It's important that they share it with their friends
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And because people don't even realize
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How horrifying it's been simply to exist as a jew.
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And by the way, it's also true to exist
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Even as an openly christian person in many campuses, right?
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If you're openly religious,
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As we see this at aclj all the time, it's hard if,
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And in the workplace it's hard,
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But the news never really reports about that.
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It's always the reverb.
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- it's not even on campus.
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I mean, my son is, will be 13 this year.
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We've been planning his bar mitzvah
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Starting to have those conversations.
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And you know, it's a sad time. this is just being honest.
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When your party planner starts talking about,
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"what kind of security are we gonna have,
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What are we gonna offer here?"
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Because it's a real thought
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That is having to go through the heads
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Of a lot of jewish people
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Throughout the country and throughout the world, sure.
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But also throughout the country.
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- you are right.
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And so bring this back to the issue at hand.
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This is not academic freedom.
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We are talking about people,
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Who have been preaching genocide.
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We've been talking about violence,
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Physical violence against students, abuse,
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Harassment being treated differently
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On campus if they're jewish.
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This has been going on for quite a while now.
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It's been under-reported or it's been misreported
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Or it's been simply denied.
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And you showed the clip of the president of harvard,
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Really, truly unbelievable except that it's real,
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It's an antisemitic
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To call for the genocide of the jewish people.
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Well, it depends on the context.
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Well the context is that jews are being killed
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Because of being jews.
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That's the context. how's that?
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- yeah, absolutely. jeff, i appreciate you joining us today.
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Let's go ahead and take some phone calls. let's go to candy.
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Who, i'm sorry, candy.
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You've been a hold for a long time,
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But we appreciate you holding, go ahead.
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- [candy] hey, yes.
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If i remember correctly, harvard at one time
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With the founding fathers was christian based college
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In fact the founding father.
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Some of them were, graduated harvard plus.
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We were all, well they were all jewish,
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Pro-jewish, pro-israel.
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- candy, the every single ivy league school
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Except for cornell, which was officially non-sectarian.
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But every single ivy league school
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Was founded by a denomination.
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They were all christian universities.
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They were the first universities in this country.
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And they all were founded by churches
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That the belief was that the churches
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Would foster education in this country.
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It wasn't the role of the government
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To create the universities, that came later.
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But this was the founding
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Of the highest forms of education in our country
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And how far we've gone that religious instruction
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That could foster scientific creativity and discovery
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And really build up the minds of america
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That now it is the polar opposite view by these universities
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That they want to keep religion away from their students
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And they want to be pushing the humanist atheist agenda
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Is they say at odds with the teachings of the church.
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And so it is just such a stark contrast
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Of where these universities got their roots
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To rise to be some of the most elite universities
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In the world.
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And they have abandoned completely their roots.
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I mean princeton was their president was jonathan edwards,
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The of the great awakening.
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I mean that is-
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- [logan] not vice presidential candidate.
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- no. john edwards.
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Jonathan edwards of sinners in the hands of an angry god
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That people learn in high school.
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Like it is a great american literature
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And that was the president of that university.
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You cannot fathom that being the case,
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Especially today when you hear the statements
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Of university presidents
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When they are questioned about antisemitism.
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It flies in the face
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Of the very founding of these universities.
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Lois, who's in maryland on line one.
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Go ahead. you're on the air.
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- [lois] you're just fighting back.
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But it seems like a tsunami of anti-semitism,
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Anti-christian anti-truth, anti-biblical truth.
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I believe college professors
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Even don't teach anything but a lie.
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I mean, it's marxism.
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My father was a marxist and it's a very cruel, cruel thing.
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And he graduated from columbia university,
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Which is a marxist college,
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But i went to a liberal arts college
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And they even invited gus hall, which was a marxist.
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I mean, i'm telling you, to me it's such a tsunami.
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I cannot, i don't wanna give up,
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But i feel like it's so overwhelming,
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The money that is being poured into these colleges.
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- [logan] yeah, you'd think that-
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- [lois] and they come out being marxist and communist.
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They come out not knowing anything,
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They don't know the truth.
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- lois, i agree.
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And i feel like the money figure
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Is gonna be that wake up call.
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It's gonna slap a lot of people in the face
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Because i think we all kind of sadly knew like,
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You're right, the communist, the marxist,
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That whole situation that was coming out
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Of these elite universities.
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And i could tell you also as someone
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Who has worked in the university system
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Is there is often a disparity
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From the people that are in faculty
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And the people that are the students.
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And a lot of times the students
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Are not representative of who the top people are there.
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And that's i think somewhat what you see also.
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Do i think that every student going into harvard
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Is going into this thinking,
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"oh, i'm gonna come out of this
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As some sort of anti-semitic communist?"
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No, i don't think that's probably their plan.
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- when the left was trying to say,
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"don't take down the department of education."
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When you find out that their funding
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And the huge budget of the department of education
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Is going to things like billions of dollars to harvard,
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I think people are gonna be like,
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"yeah, maybe we don't need it."
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Those people, i know many on the right are already there,
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But i think people in the middle are gonna be like,
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"wait, oh, that's what the department of education does?"
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It just writes grants to these elite universities
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That are very selective and hard to get into,
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But they're supposed to be private
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And have billions of dollars in endowments.
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- i think that means-
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- [will] get everyone to be upset.
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- elite university.
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- [will] i think it's too late.
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- you can't get in now.
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- [will] i don't know.
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- they've capped it.
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- i think the elite university game
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You had to start a while ago like the 1770s.
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- [logan] yeah.
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Jay Sekulow - Details Revealed As Trump Denies Harvard Funds

April 30, 2025 | S25:E17

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