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ACLJ Exposes Forced Abortion Coercion at Taxpayer Funded Hospital Part 2

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October 1, 2019
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ACLJ Exposes Forced Abortion Coercion at Taxpayer Funded Hospital Part 2

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  • [MUSIC]
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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW LIVE.
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  • PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • AND NOW CHIEF COUNSEL
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  • FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND
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  • JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW!
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE ARE AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING THE
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  • DEFENSE OF LIFE AND WE SAW THE
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  • AGGRESSIVENESS OF OUR LEGAL TEAM PAY OFF. WE GOT AN ORDER FROM
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  • HHS. THEY'VE ISSUED AN ORDER TO THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT WHERE
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  • THEY HAVE REALLY PUT THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT ON NOTICE
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  • THAT THEY HAVE VIOLATED, THROUGH THE OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS, OUR
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  • CLIENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND OTHERS AS WELL. AND NOT JUST
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  • BEING OUR CLIENT, WE HAD OTHERS THAT WE REFERRED. BUT I WANT TO
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  • SAY WHAT THIS IS. COULD YOU IMAGINE FORCED ABORTION COERCION
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  • PARTICIPATION? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE BEING COMPELLED, AS A
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  • HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL, TO PARTICIPATE IN AN ABORTION
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  • PROCEDURE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS-FORCED COMPULSION INTO
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  • ABORTION PROCEDURES WHEN YOU ARE KNOWN TO HAVE A MORAL AND
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  • RELIGIOUS OBJECTION. THERE IS A DOCTRINE, IT'S A LAW, CHURCH
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  • AMENDMENT, CHURCH LAW, AND IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS, AS CECE SAID
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  • EARLIER, I'M GONNA HAVE HER SAY IT AGAIN, SINCE 1973. WHAT DOES
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  • THE LAW SAY? CECE HEIL: YES, SINCE 1973. IT SAYS NO ENTITY,
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  • WHICH RECEIVES A GRANT, CONTRACT LOAN, OR LOAN GUARANTEE UNDER
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  • THE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE ACT, AFTER JUNE 18, 1973, MAY
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  • DISCRIMINATE IN THE EMPLOYMENT, PROMOTION, OR TERMINATION OF
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  • EMPLOYMENT OF ANY PHYSICIAN OR OTHER HEALTHCARE PERSONNEL OR
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  • DISCRIMINATE AN EXTENSION OF STAFF OR OTHER PRIVILEGES TO ANY
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  • PHYSICIAN OR OTHER HEALTHCARE PERSONNEL BECAUSE OF HIS
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  • RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR MORAL CONVICTIONS RESPECTING
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  • STERILIZATION PROCEDURES OR ABORTIONS. SO THAT'S BEEN JUNE
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  • 18, 1973 AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT ENFORCED UNTIL TODAY. SO, WE
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  • TALKED ABOUT THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. I KNOW THAT
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  • THERE ARE A LOT OF NURSES, DOCTORS, THAT HAVE BEEN FORCED,
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  • COERCED, INTO PERFORMING ABORTIONS AGAINST THEIR MORAL
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  • OBJECTIONS BECAUSE THE HOSPITALS HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLYING WITH
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  • THIS, ALTHOUGH, THEY'VE BEEN GETTING TAXPAYER MONEY ALL
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  • ALONG. -I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THIS IS A HUGE VICTORY. WE'RE
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  • GONNA BE JOINED BY FRANK MANION, HE WAS ON EARLIER, BUT THIS WAS
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  • A BIG VICTORY WITH BIG FINDINGS. I MEAN, HHS, TO SAY OUR CLIENT'S
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  • RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED, BUT THE HOSPITAL RISKS A HALF A MILLION
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  • DOLLARS A YEAR IN FEDERAL FUNDING OVER THIS. JORDAN
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  • SEKULOW: YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM IF YOU'RE OUT
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  • THERE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, THEY'RE GETTING
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  • UP-TO-DATE ON THIS, THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING, HHS HAS NEVER
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  • TAKEN ACTION LIKE THIS. HHS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE
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  • PAST, HAS BEEN ONE OF THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACIES I THINK
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  • HAS BEEN MOST HOSTILE, ESPECIALLY THEIR BUREAUCRATS TO
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  • THE PRO-LIFE POSITION, REMEMBER, THEY WERE THE ADMINISTRATORS,
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  • THEY ARE THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WHICH
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  • PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS THE ONLY OUTSIDE GROUP IN THE ROOM WHEN
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  • THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND THE PROVISIONS ON ABORTION FUNDING
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  • WERE BEING DRAFTED. IT WAS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PLUS
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  • PLANNED PARENTHOOD, NO ONE ELSE WAS ALLOWED IN THAT ROOM. SO,
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  • THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HOSTILE TO LIFE. FROM REPUBLICAN
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  • ADMINISTRATION TO DEMOCRAT ADMINISTRATION THE BUREAUCRACY
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  • THERE HAS REALLY RULED. NO MORE UNDER SECRETARY AZAR AND
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  • PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, WHO'VE PUT IN A
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  • PRO-LIFE MESSAGE. REMEMBER, FROM THE VERY TOP, HHS SAID WE ARE
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  • NOW GOING TO DEFEND LIFE AT CONCEPTION. THEY'VE CHANGED
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  • THEIR ENTIRE POLICY AT HHS. WE'RE NOW SEEING THAT COME INTO
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  • REALITY. REMEMBER WHEN HHS ANNOUNCED THAT? WE'RE NOW GOING
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  • TO PROTECT, WE'RE NOW DEFINING LIFE AND OUR ROLE AS PROTECTING
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  • LIFE FROM CONCEPTION THROUGH BIRTH THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.
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  • THAT'S THE ROLE OF HHS. AND NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A BROAD
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  • POLICY POSITION LIKE THAT, WHICH IS VERY PRO-LIFE, INTO ACTION.
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  • FOLKS, THIS IS AN ACLJ VICTORY BECAUSE OF YOUR SUPPORT. IT TOOK
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  • ABOUT 16 MONTHS. THAT'S QUICK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT
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  • IT TOOK US FILING THE COMPLAINT WITH HHS KNOWING IN THE PAST
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  • THIS WAS AN UPHILL BATTLE, HHS DOING AN INVESTIGATION FINDING
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  • THAT NURSES, WHO ARE FEDERALLY PROTECTED BY LAW NOT TO HAVE TO
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  • PERFORM ABORTIONS, WERE BEING FORCED TO PERFORM ABORTIONS BY
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  • TAXPAYER-FUNDED UNIVERSITY HOSPITALS. IN THIS CASE VERMONT.
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  • AND IT WASN'T JUST OUR CLIENT THE HHS FOUND AFTER DOING THEIR
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  • REVIEW, IT WAS MANY OTHER NURSES AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, WHO
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  • WERE BEING FORCED. THEY WEREN'T EVEN TOLD WHAT THEY WERE ABOUT
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  • TO HAVE TO DO UNTIL THEY WERE IN THE ROOM AND THE DOCTORS WOULD
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  • SAY THINGS LIKE DON'T HATE ME FOR DOING THIS TO YOU. WELL,
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  • THESE SCHOOLS ARE IN REAL TROUBLE NOW. THEIR FEDERAL
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  • FUNDING IS IN JEOPARDY. THAT MEANS THE MONEY YOUR TAXPAYER
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  • DOLLARS GO TO. -WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD ON THIS MAJOR VICTORY
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  • FOR LIFE DEALING WITH THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY COMING
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  • OUT WITH A GREAT ORDER IN FAVOR OF OUR CLIENT, I MEAN, JUST A
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  • TREMENDOUS VICTORY. YOUR PRAYERS MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN WE
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  • GET THESE VICTORIES. SO, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STANDING WITH
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  • US. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WELL, BIG WIN OUT OF
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  • HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. I
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  • WANT TO, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE FRANK MANION COME ON, BUT BEFORE
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  • I HAVE FRANK COME ON, I'M GONNA GO PLAY FOR YOU, THIS IS WHAT
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  • THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES HAS SAID ABOUT
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  • THE PRO-LIFE POSITION. THIS IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELECTIONS
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  • HAVING CONSEQUENCES. HERE'S ONE, TAKE A LISTEN: ALEX AZAR: LET ME
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  • BE REALLY CLEAR, PRESIDENT TRUMP, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, AND
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  • I ARE PART OF A PRO-LIFE ADMINISTRATION. WE STAND FOR
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  • PROTECTING THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE FROM CONCEPTION UNTIL
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  • NATURAL DEATH. PART OF THAT IS THIS REGULATION YOU MENTIONED
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  • THAT WE PUT OUT THAT PREVENTS THESE TITLE 10 FAMILY PLANNING
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  • MONIES FROM GOING TO SUPPORTING THE ABORTION ENTERPRISE. FOR TOO
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  • LONG THAT MONEY HAS BEEN USED TO SUBSIDIZE THE PROVISION OF
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  • ABORTION. -THERE YOU HAVE IT. I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR HHS SECRETARY.
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  • IT'S PRETTY REFRESHING, I HAVE TO SAY. FRANK MANION, SENIOR
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  • COUNSEL FOR THE ACLJ. FRANK, HOW DID THIS CASE START? FRANK
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  • MANION: THE CASE STARTED, JAY, BY THIS NURSE IN VERMONT
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  • CONTACTING US. ACTUALLY, SHE WAS REFERRED TO US BY A DOCTOR AT
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  • U.V. MMC. WE WENT UP AND MET WITH HER, GEOFF SURTEES AND I.
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  • WE'VE MADE SEVERAL TRIPS UP THERE AS PART OF THIS
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  • INVESTIGATION, AND PART OF OUR INVESTIGATION. AND WE WERE,
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  • OBVIOUSLY, AWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE OFFICE OF CIVIL
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  • RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY THE NEW CONSCIENCE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
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  • DIVISION THAT WAS CREATED IN JANUARY OF 2018. SO, WE FILED
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  • THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWED THE VIEWERS AND
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  • TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LISTENERS. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. I CAN SAY
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  • THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH I CAN SAY ABOUT THE
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  • INVESTIGATION. WE WEREN'T PRIVY TO ALL PARTS OF THEIR
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  • INVESTIGATION, BUT IT WAS AN EXTREMELY THOROUGH, PAINSTAKING
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  • INVESTIGATION. WE, GEOFF AND I, SAT IN A ROOM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO
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  • WHERE THREE SEASONED ATTORNEYS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
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  • AND HUMAN SERVICES GRILLED OUR CLIENT FOR OVER FIVE HOURS ABOUT
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  • EVERY ASPECT OF HER STORY. YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN, LEFT AND
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  • RIGHT, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WERE ON SOLID
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  • GROUND IN WHAT THEY'VE DONE TODAY. AND THAT WAS IN ADDITION
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  • TO A TWO AND A HALF HOUR TELEPHONE INTERROGATION THAT
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  • THEY CONDUCTED OF HER PREVIOUSLY. AND AFTER THEY SPOKE
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  • TO OUR CLIENT, THEY WENT AND INTERVIEWED, IT'S MY
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  • UNDERSTANDING, APPROXIMATELY HALF A DOZEN OTHER U.V. MMC
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  • EMPLOYEES. THEY HAVE SOLID GROUNDS FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE
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  • TODAY. AND WE'RE JUST THRILLED THAT, FINALLY, SOMEBODY IS
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  • ENFORCING THE CHURCH AMENDMENT. -WELL, THE CHURCH AMENDMENT'S
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  • BEEN AROUND SINCE, I MEAN, CECE, YOU WERE SAYING, SINCE 1973.
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  • CECE HEIL: 1973. SO, THIS IS NOTHING NEW, -EXCEPT IT'S NEVER
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  • BEEN APPLIED. -IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN ENFORCED. EVER! -YEAH, I
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  • MEAN, THIS IS, THE IRONY OF THIS IS, AND YOU SAY ALL THESE
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  • ADMINISTRATIONS, DEMOCRATS-REPUBLICANS, NOBODY
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  • ENFORCED THIS, FRANK. -NOPE! NOBODY! AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS
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  • ECHOING WHAT JORDAN WAS SAYING EARLIER, WE HAVE FILED
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  • COMPLAINTS WITH HHS OVER THE YEARS AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW,
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  • AFTER A WHILE WE REALIZED THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
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  • WE'VE EVEN TRIED TO BRING CAUSES OF ACTION IN LAWSUITS THAT WE
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  • FILED. BUT BECAUSE THE CHURCH AMENDMENT, IT CAN'T BE ENFORCED
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  • PRIVATELY, THERE'S NO PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION, WE'VE ALWAYS
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  • BEEN SHOT DOWN. THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE DONE. AND TODAY
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  • IT'S BEING DONE. -I'LL TELL YOU THIS, LOOK, THIS IS A, THIS IS A
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  • MAJOR VICTORY. I MEAN, A REALLY SIGNIFICANT VICTORY FOR OUR
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  • CLIENTS AND FOR THE LIFE CAUSE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
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  • BUT YOU KNOW, CECE, I WANT YOU TO REITERATE A POINT AND GET
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  • FRANK TO COMMENT ON THIS, THE THING THAT, IT'S ALL SHOCKING,
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  • BUT WHAT'S REALLY SHOCKING IS THEY HAVE THIS, LIKE, LIST OF
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  • PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONSCIENCE OBJECTIONS AND THEY IGNORE IT.
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  • -YES. -NOT ONLY IGNORE IT, YOU SAY INTENTIONALLY. -NOT ONLY
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  • IGNORE IT, I'D SAY THEY ACTUALLY USE IT TO SEE, NOW WHO HAS AN
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  • OBJECTION TO PERFORMING AN ABORTION, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE
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  • THAT WE ARE GOING TO FORCE TO PARTICIPATE IN ABORTION AGAINST
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  • THEIR MORAL OBJECTION THAT WE HAVE ON RECORD AND WE HAVE OTHER
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  • PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT. -ALL RIGHT, SO FRANK, LET ME READ,
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  • THIS IS ONE OF THE FINDINGS FROM HHS-THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT
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  • MEDICAL CENTER INTENTIONALLY, UNNECESSARILY, AND KNOWINGLY
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  • SCHEDULED NURSES OR OTHER HEALTH CARE PERSONNEL, WHO HAVE
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  • RELIGIOUS OR MORAL OBJECTIONS TO ABORTION, TO ASSIST WITH
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  • ABORTION. THAT'S WHAT CECE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. EXPLAIN TO
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  • EVERYBODY WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. -I CAN GIVE YOU SOME
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  • MORE INSIGHT ON THAT FROM OUR CLIENT'S OWN STATEMENTS THAT SHE
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  • GAVE TO HHS. AT THIS HOSPITAL, EACH DAY THE MANAGERS WOULD SIT
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  • DOWN TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY AND SCHEDULE THE NEXT DAY'S
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  • PROCEDURES. OKAY? THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE NURSING STAFF WHO
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  • PREFERRED NOT TO WORK ON CERTAIN KINDS OF CASES FOR STRICTLY
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  • MEDICAL REASONS. THEY DIDN'T FEEL AS PROFICIENT IN VASCULAR
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  • SURGERY, LET'S SAY, OR THEY PREFER TO WORK LATER IN THE DAY.
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  • NEVER WERE THOSE PEOPLE SCHEDULED FOR THE THING THAT
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  • THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING. BUT
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  • FREQUENTLY, VERY FREQUENTLY, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE
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  • CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR LIST FOR ABORTIONS FOUND THEMSELVES, WHEN
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  • THEY SHOWED UP FOR WORK THE NEXT DAY, ON THE BOARD SCHEDULED TO
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  • GO INTO AN ABORTION PROCEDURE IN, LET'S SAY, 15 MINUTES. AND
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  • THAT PUTS THEM IN THE MOST DIFFICULT SITUATION OF HAVING TO
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  • GO, HAT IN HAND, TO THEIR BOSS AND TRY TO GET THEIR BOSS TO
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  • ACCOMMODATE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. AND THAT'S GOT TO STOP.
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  • AND WE THINK THAT'S WHAT HHS REALLY IS GETTING ANGRY ABOUT
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  • HERE. -FRANK, WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME OF THIS? I MEAN,
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  • PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, IT MOVED,
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  • ACTUALLY, FOR GOVERNMENT, THIS MOVED VERY QUICKLY. THIS WAS A
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  • LOT OF WORK BY YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO GET THIS THING TO THIS POINT,
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  • TO GET THIS CASE TO THIS POINT. -RIGHT. I MEAN, WE WERE FIRST
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  • CONTACTED IN APRIL OF 2018, AND WE FILED THIS COMPLAINT IN MAY.
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  • BUT YOU KNOW, JUST READING WHAT HHS HAS ISSUED TODAY, THEY WERE
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  • DOING A LOT OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW
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  • ABOUT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THEIR ROLE TO TELL EVERYBODY WHAT
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  • THEY'RE DOING. WE KNEW CERTAIN THINGS THEY WOULD DO WHEN THEY
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  • WOULD WANT TO SPEAK WITH OUR CLIENT. WE PROVIDED THEM WITH
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  • SOME NAMES OF OTHER NURSES, AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE
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  • NURSES WE SEE REFERRED TO IN WHAT THEY'VE ISSUED TODAY. SO,
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  • YEAH, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE INVESTIGATION THAT THEY DID, THE
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  • PARTS OF IT THAT WE WERE PRIVY TO. AND I'M SURE THAT THE PARTS
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  • THAT WE WEREN'T PRIVY TO WERE JUST AS THOROUGH. AND THEY
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  • WEREN'T GOING TO GO OFF HERE WITHOUT MAKING SURE THEY HAD ALL
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  • THEIR EYES DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED. AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE
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  • THAT'S WHAT THEY DONE. JORDAN SEKULOW: AND AS FRANK SAID, HHS
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  • FOUND THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF HEALTH CARE PERSONNEL THERE,
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  • AT LEAST SINCE THE SPRING OF 2017, WHO INTENTIONALLY,
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  • UNNECESSARILY, AND KNOWINGLY WERE SCHEDULED BY THE UNIVERSITY
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  • OF VERMONT MEDICAL CENTER TO ASSIST WITH ELECTIVE ABORTIONS,
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  • SO, ABORTIONS FOR NO HEALTH REASON WHATSOEVER, AGAINST THEIR
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  • KNOWN MORAL OR RELIGIOUS OBJECTIONS. SO, IT WASN'T JUST
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  • OUR CLIENT. OUR CLIENT HELPED LEAD THE CHARGE AT THIS ONE
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  • HOSPITAL, BUT WHAT HHS FOUND WAS THAT THIS WAS GOING ON
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  • WIDESPREAD WITH THE NURSES AND MEDICAL STAFF. -YEAH, THIS IS A
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  • HUGE ISSUE, FOLKS. AND A HUGE WIN. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD
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  • ON THIS MAJOR VICTORY FOR LIFE DEALING WITH THE HEALTH AND
  • 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:36.090
  • HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY COMING OUT WITH A GREAT ORDER IN FAVOR OF
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  • OUR CLIENT, I MEAN, JUST A TREMENDOUS VICTORY. YOUR PRAYERS
  • 00:11:40.010 --> 00:11:43.000
  • MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN WE GET THESE VICTORIES. SO, WE WANT
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  • TO THANK YOU FOR STANDING WITH US. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • PREGNANT, THEIR MOTHERLY
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  • INSTINCTS JUST KICK RIGHT INTO GEAR. IT'S HOW WE'RE WIRED. IT'S
  • 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.290
  • HOW WE'RE CREATED. AND I SHORT-CIRCUITED MINE. -I STILL
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  • REMEMBER STARING UP AT THAT BRIGHT LIGHT AND COUNTING
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  • BACKWARDS FROM TEN. -IT WAS VERY, VERY PAINFUL. I'VE NEVER
  • 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:05.100
  • FELT PAIN LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE. I REMEMBER THE NURSE GIVING ME
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  • SEDATION AND I, SHE JUST KEPT RUBBING MY ARM, SHUSHING ME. -I
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  • DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO SEE ME. I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW. THEY
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  • DON'T LET YOU WALK BACK OUT THE FRONT. THERE'S A PRIVATE EXIT.
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  • AND LATER ON IN LIFE I WONDERED HAD I SEEN SOMEONE LIKE ME, IN
  • 00:12:25.170 --> 00:12:30.110
  • THE STATE I WAS IN AT THAT MOMENT AFTER THAT ABORTION, WALK
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  • OUT, BACK OUT THE FRONT CLINIC, MAYBE I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A
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  • HUGE WIN AT THE ACLJ. AND THIS, OF COURSE, WAS ON THIS PRO-LIFE
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  • ISSUE AGAINST THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT-FORCED COERCION ABORTION
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  • PARTICIPATION. FRANK MANION'S A SENIOR COUNSEL WITH THE ACLJ.
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  • HE'S BACK ON THE PHONE WITH US. HE'S HANDLED THIS CASE. I GOT A
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  • CALL THAT'S COMING AND WE WANT TO GET RIGHT TO, FRANK. I THINK
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  • THIS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO START THIS SEGMENT OFF. LET'S
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  • TAKE IT. JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, MARK IS CALLING FROM MISSOURI. I
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  • THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. MARK, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HI, MARK. -HI, THERE. THANKS FOR
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  • TAKING MY CALL. I LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS DO. -THANKS. -MY QUESTION
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  • COULD THIS BE RETROACTIVELY ENFORCED? I'M SURE THEY VIOLATED
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  • THIS LAW YEARS PREVIOUSLY, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
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  • DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. -WELL, I THINK IT'S AN
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  • INTERESTING QUESTION. SO, FRANK, YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE'VE SAID
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:33.280
  • THIS LAW'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 1973. IT'S REALLY NEVER
  • 00:13:33.290 --> 00:13:36.040
  • BEEN ENFORCED UNTIL NOW. THIS ADMINISTRATION'S ENFORCING IT,
  • 00:13:36.050 --> 00:13:40.000
  • BUT IT DOES TAKE LAWYERS LIKE THE ACLJ. YOUR TEAM, OUR TEAMS
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  • HERE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. I MEAN, IN A SENSE IT'S ALL
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  • RETROACTIVE BECAUSE THESE ARE SITUATIONS THAT ALREADY
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  • HAPPENED. FRANK MANION: EXACTLY RIGHT, JAY. AND YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:51.160
  • THERE'S LANGUAGE IN WHAT HHS HAS DONE TODAY, TALKING ABOUT, YOU
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  • KNOW, REQUIRING THE UNIVERSITY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. BUT
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  • ALSO SAY, THERE'S LANGUAGE ABOUT REMEDYING PAST VIOLATIONS. NOW,
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  • WHAT HHS EXACTLY MEANS BY THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW
  • 00:14:02.190 --> 00:14:05.030
  • THAT PLAYS OUT. BUT IT DOES, CERTAINLY, SEEM TO US THAT THEY
  • 00:14:05.040 --> 00:14:08.210
  • HAVE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN FOR GOING AFTER PAST VIOLATIONS
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  • HOWEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. -YEAH, I WANT TO ASK OUR
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  • DIRECTOR OF POLICY, HARRY HUTCHISON, YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM
  • 00:14:13.250 --> 00:14:15.110
  • A POLICY PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE A LAW THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS,
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  • HARRY, FOR, I MEAN, SINCE 1973, BEFORE I WAS PRACTICING LAW, AND
  • 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:21.190
  • IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS, NOT REALLY ENFORCED. NOW WE GET, NOT
  • 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.090
  • ONLY AN ENFORCEMENT, BUT, I MEAN, AN UNBELIEVABLE FINDING.
  • 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:28.260
  • HOW SIGNIFICANT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? HARRY HUTCHISON: WELL,
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  • I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT ALSO POINTS
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  • OUT A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT FACT. AND THAT FACT IS IT'S
  • 00:14:34.140 --> 00:14:39.080
  • VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS WILLING
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  • TO ENFORCE THE LAW. IN VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER AREA OF
  • 00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:47.120
  • NONDISCRIMINATION, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE AGGRESSIVELY
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  • ENFORCED THE LAW, BUT NOT WITH RESPECT TO CONSCIENCE AND NOT
  • 00:14:51.090 --> 00:14:55.210
  • WITH RESPECT TO RELIGIOUS AND MORAL OBJECTIONS. SO, IT'S VERY,
  • 00:14:55.220 --> 00:14:59.220
  • VERY IMPORTANT THAT OVER TIME WE CONSIDER AMENDING THIS LAW TO
  • 00:14:59.230 --> 00:15:05.140
  • PROVIDE A PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION THAT WOULD LEAD TO
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  • GREATER ENFORCEMENT DOWN THE ROAD. -THAT'S A GOOD POINT. A
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  • PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE IT. -BUT I
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  • THINK WHAT'S STRONG HERE, AND WHAT THE CALLER WAS GETTING TO
  • 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:17.170
  • IS THAT, ONE, WE'RE PROTECTING THE EMPLOYMENT NOW OF THESE
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  • NURSES. I THINK THEY NOW KNOW, UNDER AT LEAST THIS HHS, IF YOU
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  • HAVE FELT LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED TO YOU AND YOU'RE OUT THERE AND
  • 00:15:25.040 --> 00:15:27.030
  • YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS BROADCAST RIGHT NOW, AND LIKE
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  • THESE OTHER NURSES THAT STARTED TALKING TO THE INVESTIGATORS
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  • FROM HHS WHO WENT UP TO THE HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW THAT YOUR JOB
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  • WON'T BE IN JEOPARDY BY COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS, BY
  • 00:15:35.150 --> 00:15:39.070
  • FILING THIS COMPLAINT, BECAUSE THE LAW IS ON YOUR SIDE. AND
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  • THEN, PART TWO, THE FUNDING FOR THE ENTIRE MEDICAL CENTER WILL
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  • BE IN QUESTION AND UNDER SERIOUS REVIEW IF THEY DON'T COME UP
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  • WITH A VERY QUICK NEW COMPLIANCE RULE WITHIN 30 DAYS. AND IF THEY
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  • DON'T, HHS SAYS WE'RE FORWARDING THIS OVER TO THE OUR
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  • ADMINISTRATORS, YOUR FUNDING IS, BASICALLY, GONNA BE CUT. AND FOR
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  • THE LAST THREE-YEAR PERIOD, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR A
  • 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:05.110
  • NUMBER OF DECADES, YOU KNOW, IT WAS 1.6 MILLION DOLLARS. SO,
  • 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.190
  • WHATEVER YOU RELIED ON THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR YOU.
  • 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.090
  • BUT AS FRANK SAID, THEY ALSO NOTED THAT PART OF THIS WILL BE
  • 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:16.290
  • TO TAKE, QUOTE, IMMEDIATE STEPS TO REMEDY THE EFFECT OF ITS PAST
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  • DISCRIMINATORY CONDUCT. AND I WONDER IF THAT GETS TO WHAT
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  • HARRY IS TALKING ABOUT AS WELL, THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF RIGHT
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  • THAT CAN BE PROTECTED WHERE YOU SOMEHOW TRY TO MAKE WHOLE, EVEN
  • 00:16:27.260 --> 00:16:33.080
  • THOUGH IT'S IMPOSSIBLE WHEN YOU FORCE SOMEONE TO TAKE PART IN AN
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  • ABORTION PROCEDURE, SOMEHOW COMPENSATE THESE NURSES WHO HAVE
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  • BEEN FORCED TO DO THIS IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW. -SO, WHAT
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  • IS THE REMEDY HERE FOR THEM? IN A SENSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE
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  • VINDICATED-THIS WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR
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  • CLIENT STILL WORKS THERE OR NOT. WHAT'S THE SITUATION FOR THEM,
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  • FRANK? FRANK MANION: WELL, I MEAN THERE ARE POSSIBLE CAUSES
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  • OF ACTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, JAY. I CAN SAY THAT IN OUR
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  • CLIENT'S CASE, SHE HAS CHOSEN, AS YOU AS YOU CAN TELL, SHE'S
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  • CHOSEN TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. SHE'S TRYING TO MOVE ON WITH HER
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  • LIFE. SHE'S NOT PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT SORT
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  • OF LITIGATION, BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE, SHE WOULD BE
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  • RETRAUMATIZED -YES, 100 PERCENT. -BY HAVING TO GO
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  • THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LITIGATION. SO, WE'RE RESPECTING
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  • THAT. BUT IN THEORY, AND WE DID, OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST YEAR
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  • AND A HALF, TALK TO HER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PURSUING POSSIBLE
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  • REMEDIES. SO, THERE ARE CIVIL REMEDIES THAT COULD BE PURSUED
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  • IF AN INDIVIDUAL WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, AND WE'D CERTAINLY BE
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  • INTERESTED IN TALKING TO ANYBODY ABOUT THOSE POSSIBILITIES
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  • BECAUSE THEY DEFINITELY EXIST. I MEAN, FOR ONE THING, YOU HAVE
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  • TITLE SEVEN OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. -RIGHT. -THIS IS
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  • RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION TO A LARGE EXTENT. -WELL, THEY DID
  • 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:36.000
  • FIND IT TO BE RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION AS A MORAL AND
  • 00:17:36.010 --> 00:17:38.020
  • RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE OBJECTION. CECE, YOU FIND THAT THE MOST
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  • DIFFICULT, OR THE MOST SHOCKING ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT THEY HAD
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  • PEOPLE READY TO GO THAT COULD HAVE, THEY INTENTIONALLY KNEW
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  • CECE HEIL: YES. -THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS OBJECTED. -THEY DID
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  • IT INTENTIONALLY. IT BLOWS MY MIND. IT WASN'T JUST, OH, WE
  • 00:17:51.280 --> 00:17:56.240
  • JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE, OR WE FORGOT YOU WERE ON A LIST,
  • 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:59.170
  • OR IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN, WE'RE SO SORRY. THEY, LITERALLY,
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  • PICKED, TARGETED THESE NURSES AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS,
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  • TARGETED THEM FOR THEIR MORAL OBJECTION AND FORCED THEM,
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  • INTENTIONALLY FORCE THEM TO PERFORM AN ABORTION. -YOU KNOW,
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  • I WANT YOU TO PUT ON, WES, HERE, YOU ARE, OF COURSE, A MILITARY
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  • GUY, AND YOU'RE A SENIOR MILITARY ANALYST HERE AT THE
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  • ACLJ, BUT YOU'RE ALSO A PASTOR. FRANK JUST SAID SOMETHING TO ME
  • 00:18:18.090 --> 00:18:22.110
  • THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, THAT THE TRAUMA THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:24.080
  • WENT THROUGH AS PEOPLE, WESLEY SMITH: YES, ABSOLUTELY. MY WIFE
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  • IS A SURGERY NURSE. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN VERMONT HAPPENS IN
  • 00:18:27.290 --> 00:18:31.100
  • OTHER PLACES. THIS HAPPENED TO HER, WHERE SHE WAS BROUGHT INTO
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  • A CASE, NOT TOLD IN ADVANCE THAT IT WAS AN ELECTIVE ABORTION, AND
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  • WHEN SHE ASKED TO BE RELIEVED, HER SUPERVISOR REFUSED TO
  • 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:41.060
  • RELEASE HER. SHE WAS TRAUMATIZED, FOUND IT HORRIBLY
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  • OFFENSIVE. THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS. AND THE THING ABOUT THE
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  • DETERMINATION LETTER BY HHS IS THAT THEY SAID THIS IS NOT ONLY
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  • DISCRIMINATORY BUT MOTIVATED BY DISCRIMINATORY INTENT. -YEAH.
  • 00:18:51.070 --> 00:18:56.000
  • -THEY TARGETED THESE PEOPLE. THEY SHOWED FLAGRANT DISDAIN FOR
  • 00:18:56.010 --> 00:18:59.060
  • THEIR MORAL AND RELIGIOUS OBJECTIONS. -BUT YOUR WIFE
  • 00:18:59.070 --> 00:19:01.130
  • EXPERIENCED THIS? -ABSOLUTELY, SHE DID. AND SHE IS STILL
  • 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:04.130
  • BOTHERED BY IT TO THIS DAY, THAT SHE WAS FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN
  • 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:07.250
  • KILLING AN UNBORN CHILD. -FRANK, ARE WE AT THE TIP OF
  • 00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:10.000
  • THE ICEBERG HERE? -OH, DEFINITELY, JAY. AND I ECHO WHAT
  • 00:19:10.010 --> 00:19:14.040
  • WES WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, IN TECHNICAL TERMS OUR
  • 00:19:14.050 --> 00:19:18.110
  • CLIENT HAS SAID SHE HAD ALREADY, IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER SHE HAD
  • 00:19:18.120 --> 00:19:20.260
  • SCRUBBED IN TO THE PROCEDURE THAT SHE WAS TOLD WHAT THE
  • 00:19:20.270 --> 00:19:23.200
  • PROCEDURE WAS. AND AS SHE PUT IT, ONCE I'M SCRUBBED IN, IF I
  • 00:19:23.210 --> 00:19:27.130
  • LEAVE THAT ROOM, IT'S CONSIDERED PATIENT ABANDONMENT. I'LL
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  • DEFINITELY BE FIRED. -OH, YEAH. -AND I'LL PROBABLY LOSE MY
  • 00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:33.240
  • LICENSE TO BE A NURSE. SO, THAT'S THE DILEMMA THEY PUT
  • 00:19:33.250 --> 00:19:36.150
  • THESE PEOPLE IN KNOWINGLY AND INTENTIONALLY, AS HHS HAS FOUND.
  • 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:41.000
  • -I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING HERE, JORDAN. YOU SAID THIS, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:19:41.010 --> 00:19:44.060
  • WE SAID THIS REMINDS US OF THE TEA PARTY CASES, IN A SENSE,
  • 00:19:44.070 --> 00:19:46.250
  • WHERE WE HAD, FIRST IT WAS, WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THIS
  • 00:19:46.260 --> 00:19:49.070
  • HAPPENED, WE HAD ONE OR TWO THEN TEN AND THEN 40. IT JUST LIKE
  • 00:19:49.080 --> 00:19:54.070
  • MUSHROOMED, EXPONENTIALLY, IN MINUTES OR DAYS. -THERE'S A WAY
  • 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:59.020
  • TO CONTACT US AT ACLJ.ORG. SO, IF YOU ARE A MEDICAL
  • 00:19:59.030 --> 00:20:01.170
  • PROFESSIONAL, IT WASN'T JUST NURSES THAT WERE FOUND TO BE
  • 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:05.200
  • HAVING THEIR RIGHTS VIOLATED BY HHS, BUT OTHER MEDICAL
  • 00:20:05.210 --> 00:20:09.080
  • PROFESSIONALS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT MEDICAL CENTER. SO,
  • 00:20:09.090 --> 00:20:13.140
  • IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, AND AS YOU
  • 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:16.170
  • CAN SEE, YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS, WE CAN REPRESENT YOU
  • 00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:19.220
  • AND THROUGH THIS COMPLAINT PROCESS THROUGH HHS, YOU CAN
  • 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:23.170
  • REMAIN ANONYMOUS, YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR EMPLOYMENT, SO IT
  • 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:25.260
  • DOESN'T PUT YOUR EMPLOYMENT IN JEOPARDY, BUT IF THIS HAS
  • 00:20:25.270 --> 00:20:28.110
  • HAPPENED TO YOU WHERE YOU'VE BEEN PRESSURED INTO CARRYING OUT
  • 00:20:28.120 --> 00:20:33.050
  • A PROCEDURE AGAINST YOUR RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE, LIKE
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  • ABORTION, OR BEING PART OF THAT PROCEDURE NOT BEING TOLD WHAT
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  • YOU WERE EVEN GOING TO BE DOING, ALL OF THAT, YOU NEED TO CONTACT
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  • US AT THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE. IT'S IMPORTANT
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  • THAT WE HEAR FROM MORE OF YOU. AND I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE GOING
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  • TO BE HEARING FROM A LOT MORE OF YOU AS WELL, ESPECIALLY, NOW
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  • THAT YOU KNOW. YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS. WE'RE KEEPING OUR
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  • CLIENT ANONYMOUS HERE. YOU CAN FILE THE COMPLAINT. HHS KEEPS IT
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  • ANONYMOUS. THE SCHOOL KEEPS IT ANONYMOUS. THE UNIVERSITY
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  • HOSPITAL KEEPS ANONYMOUS. SO, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU
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  • HAVE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION BEFORE. AND EVEN THE IDEA THAT
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  • YOU COULD BE PUT IN THIS SITUATION BEFORE WOULD VIOLATE
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  • HHS POLICIES. SO, AN EMPLOYER TELLING YOU, WELL, WE CAN'T HIRE
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  • YOU IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PERFORM ABORTIONS, THAT WOULD
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  • ALSO VIOLATE THE HHS POLICIES. SO, CONTACT US THROUGH ACLJ.ORG.
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  • WE HAVE A CONTACT LEGAL HELP SECTION AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE
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  • TO GO. AGAIN, WE RESPOND TO EVERYBODY. WE'VE GOT ATTORNEYS
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  • READY FOR YOU. -SO, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, TO
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  • JUST GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT. SO, WE HAD A CLIENT WHO OBJECTED,
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  • WAS PUT IN THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION, FORCED, COERCED TO
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  • PARTICIPATE IN AN ABORTION. SHE OBJECTED BUT THERE WAS NOTHING,
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  • SHE, THE PROCEDURE, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR
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  • FRANK TO UNDERSCORE THIS. FRANK, UNDERSCORE THAT. THE PROCEDURE,
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  • BASICALLY, SHE WAS SCRUBBED IN, SO YOU RAN ALL KINDS OF RISK IF
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  • SHE WOULD HAVE WALKED OUT AT THAT POINT. -YEAH, I MEAN, SHE
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  • COULD NOT WALK OUT OF THAT ROOM WITHOUT LOSING HER LICENSE, AND
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  • DEFINITELY LOSING HER JOB. AND SHE ASKED SOMEONE WHO DID NOT
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  • OBJECT, WHO WAS PERFECTLY ABLE TO STEP INTO HER PLACE TO DO IT,
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  • AND SHE SIMPLY REFUSED. AND IT WAS ALL BECAUSE THIS WAS PART
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  • OF, WHAT OUR CLIENT I THINK RIGHTLY HAS CALLED, A SYSTEMIC
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  • DISDAIN FOR CONSCIENCE RIGHTS AT UV MMC. AND SHE PUTS IT
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  • PERFECTLY THAT WAY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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  • HERE. THIS WAS NOT JUST HER .IT WAS ANYBODY WHO WAS PRO-LIFE WAS
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  • LOOKED DOWN UPON, MADE FUN OF, AND ASSIGNED PROCEDURES THAT
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  • THEY CONSIDERED TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF TAKING A HUMAN
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  • LIFE. -I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, JUST SO
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  • EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND I THINK THIS
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  • IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE, THIS IS A
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  • DEFENSE OF LIFE. THIS IS AN HHS PRO-LIFE ADMINISTRATION. THAT
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  • MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE BECAUSE, AS EVERYBODY SAID, THIS
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  • LAW HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE 1973, I DON'T
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  • RECALL IT, I'M TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN, HARRY, HAS IT EVER, I
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  • DON'T EVER RECALL IT BEING APPLIED LIKE. -THE STATUTE, THE
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  • CHURCH AMENDMENT HAS BEEN HONORED IN THE BREACH. IN OTHER
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  • WORDS, IT HAS REMAINED VIRTUALLY UNENFORCED BY ALL
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  • ADMINISTRATIONS PRIOR TO THIS ONE DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
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  • -ALL RIGHT. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS THAT ALLOW
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  • OUR TEAMS TO GO OUT AROUND THE GLOBE, BUT HERE IN THE UNITED
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  • STATES AS WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, STANDING UP FOR
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  • LIFE. SO, A BIG THANK YOU TO THE TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK
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  • FAMILY. WE LOVE COMING TO YOU EACH AND EVERY WEEK. WE'VE BEEN
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  • DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 3 DECADES. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT
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  • FIGHT. YOUR PRAYERS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THANKS FOR STANDING
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  • WITH US.
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