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January 17, 2017
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [ANNOUNCER] LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW
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  • AND JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW!
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  • JAY SEKULOW: HEY EVERYBODY! WELCOME
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  • TO THE BROADCAST. WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT TO A BREAKING NEWS
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  • STORY AND WE HAVE HANDLED A NUMBER OF THESE OVER THE YEARS
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  • AND WE MENTIONED THE SITUATION WITH THE PASTORS IN SUDAN. WE'VE
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  • GOT ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS STORY AND THIS IS PASTOR ANDREW
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  • BRUNSON. HE IS AN AMERICAN PASTOR. HE'S BEEN MINISTERING
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  • FOR OVER 23 YEARS IN TURKEY WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. HE HAS NOW
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  • BEEN PICKED UP ON CHARGES AND HAS BEEN JAILED; CHARGED WITH
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  • MEMBERSHIP IN AN ARMED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, WHICH AS JORDAN
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  • WILL SAY IN A MOMENT, IS BASICALLY JUST A COVER. TURKEY,
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  • OF COURSE, HAS BECOME AN ISLAMIST REGIME. HE RAN A CHURCH
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  • AS A PASTOR, AND AS I SAID, HE'S MINISTERED THERE FOR 23 YEARS.
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  • HE'S A U.S. CITIZEN FROM BLACK MOUNTAIN, NC. WE ARE NOW
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  • REPRESENTING HIM AND HIS FAMILY. WE'VE GOT INTERNATIONAL
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  • DIPLOMACY ON THE GROUND. BUT THIS IS A CHRISTIAN PASTOR THAT
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  • IS, BASICALLY, JORDAN, THE ARE, AS ALWAYS WITH THESE SITUATIONS,
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  • TRUMPED UP CHARGES. IT'S USUALLY NATIONAL SECURITY. THEY'RE A
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  • LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC HERE. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE? JORDAN
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  • SEKULOW: WELL, SINCE THE CUE IN TURKEY, THE ATTEMPTED CUE IN
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  • TURKEY, YOU'VE SEEN THE GOVERNMENT CRACK DOWN EVEN MORE,
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  • BRINGING CHARGES LIKE THIS AGAINST VARIOUS CITIZENS. THE
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  • DIFFERENCE IN THIS SIUTATION WAS THAT INITIALLY THE PASTOR WAS
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  • SCHEDULED TO BE DEPORTED AND HE WAS GOING TO BE SENT OUT OF THE
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  • COUNTRY WITH HIS WIFE; JUST DEPORTED OUT. -RIGHT. -AFTER
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  • 23 YEARS SERVING PEOPLE IN TURKEY. NOW, ONCE THAT CHANGED,
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  • THOUGH, HIS WIFE WAS LET OUT AND WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE
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  • NORMAL PROCESS, THAT CHANGED. HE THEN WAS HELD IN A DEPORTATION
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  • FACILITY FOR 2 MONTHS. -RIGHT. -SO NOT IN A PRISON. WITH NO
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  • CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST HIM, JUST DEPORTED, HIS VISA WASN'T
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  • RENEWED, TIME FOR YOU TO GO. THIS WAS PRETTY COMMON AFTER
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  • THAT FAILED CUE ATTEMPT IN TURKEY, -RIGHT. -ERDOGAN
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  • INCREASED HIS PRESSURE ON EVERYONE, INCLUDING FOREIGNERS.
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  • BUT THEN JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, ON DECEMBER 8TH, HE WAS TAKEN INTO
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  • A PRISON, A TERRORISM SPECIFIC PRISON, AND CHARGED WITH TERROR
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  • CRIMES; CRIMES AGAINST THE COUNTRY'S NATIONAL SECURITY,
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  • CHARGES OF BEING PART OF AN ARMED TERRORIST GROUP. SO THESE
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  • WOULD BE SERIOUS CHARGES. THIS IS AT A TIME WHERE TURKEY IS
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  • DISCUSSING EVEN BRINGING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. -YEAH,
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  • LAWYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ACCESS TO HIS FILES. THAT'S GOING ON
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  • RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS GOING ON
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  • RIGHT NOW ON THIS FRONT, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE JUST JOINING
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  • US, HERE WE ARE ABOUT TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS AND I DON'T
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  • WANT TO IGNORE THE PLIGHT OF THOSE WHO HAVE STOOD UP FOR
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  • THEIR FAITH. OUR OXFORD CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF LAW AND PUBLIC
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  • POLICY HAS DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON TURKEY. TURKEY HAS
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  • BECOME AN ISLAMIST COUNTRY AGAIN. IT'S NOT THE TURKEY OF
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  • ATATURK. WE ARE ON THE GROUND BOTH DIPLOMATICALLY AND LEGALLY.
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  • WE ARE TAKING YOUR CALLS AT 1-800-684-3110. WE ALSO HAVE
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  • NOTIFIED THE PRESIDENT ELECT, DONALD TRUMP, WHO, I THINK, WILL
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  • TAKE A FIRM STAND ON THIS, IS MY SUSPICION. THANN, ALSO WE'VE
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  • ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON CAPITOL HILL FOR THE LAST WEEK. WE
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  • DIDN'T GO PUBLIC WITH THIS UNTIL TODAY BECAUSE WE WERE HOPING
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  • THAT HE WOULD BE RELEASED. HE WAS NOT. OUR PUBLIC CAMPAIGN HAS
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  • NOW STARTED. THANN BENNETT: YEAH, WE'VE NOTIFIED CAPITOL
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  • HILL ON A WIDESPREAD LEVEL, JAY. SEVERAL SENATORS HAVE ALREADY
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  • TAKEN ACTION; I WOULD SPECIFICALLY MENTION CHAIRMAN
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  • CORKER, SENATOR LANKFORD, AND THEN ALSO CONGRESSMAN PITTENGER,
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  • WHO REPRESENTS THE BRUNSON FAMILY IN THAT NORTH CAROLINA
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  • DISTRICT. BUT JAY, I WOULD JUST QUICKLY SAY THIS, WE HAVE SEEN
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  • THIS BEFORE AND WE KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THESE. THE WAY TO
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  • RESOLVE THESE IS WIDESPREAD ATTENTION AND FOCUS ON THE
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  • MATTER. THAT BUBBLES UP THROUGH GOVERNMENTS. THAT'S WHAT WILL
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  • BRING HIM HOME. -WE JUST GOT AN INTERESTING COMMENT, LOGAN, FROM
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  • FACEBOOK, SOMEBODY THAT LIVES NEAR THE PASTOR'S FAMILY, AREA.
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  • LOGAN SEKULOW: YEAH, THIS IS PENNY ON FACEBOOK, SAYS PRAYING
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  • FOR THE PASTOR. HE'S FROM CLOSE BY WHERE I LIVE. AND A LOT OF
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  • COMMENTS LIKE THAT ARE COMING IN, PRAYING. TURKEY HAS NOW
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  • BECOME SEEMS LIKE HARD CORE ISLAMIC RULE. CHRISTIANS ARE IN
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  • DANGER. SO THESE ARE THE KINDS OF COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN.
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  • -WELL, WE REPRESENT THE ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH, WHICH IS
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  • THE ORTHODOX CHURCH THERE. THEY'RE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME.
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  • THIS IS AN EVANGELICAL, EPC, EVANGELICAL PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
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  • WELL, THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS CASE AND WE NEED
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  • YOUR HELP. AS IN ALL THESE CASES, YOU KNOW THIS,
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  • INTERNATIONAL OUTCRY IS CRITICAL AS WE'RE WORKING IN WASHINGTON,
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  • AT THE U.N. AS WELL. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE ON THIS CASE. YOUR
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  • PRAYERS FOR PASTOR BRUNSON WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. LET ME
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  • ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM. PRAY FOR THE BRUNSON
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  • FAMILY. WE'LL HAVE MORE ON THIS WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THE
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  • BREAK.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, HERE'S WHAT
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  • WE'VE GOT, AN AMERICAN PASTOR. HIS NAME IS ANDREW BRUNSON. HE
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  • IS 48 YEARS OLD. HE'S BEEN FALSELY CHARGED WITH MEMBERSHIP
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  • IN AN ARMED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION IN TURKEY. HE'S AN
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  • IMPRISONED PASTOR NOW. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE. BY THE WAY, THEY
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  • SAY THAT IN THE PAPERS, THAT HE'S VIOLATED ANY TURKISH LAWS.
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  • HE'S BEEN IN TURKEY MINISTERING AS AN EVANGELICAL PRESBYTERIAN
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  • CHURCH PASTOR FOR 23 YEARS. WE'RE REPRESENTING THE FAMILY.
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  • THE PASTOR IS NOW FACING GRAVE DANGER IN THE TURKISH PRISON
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  • WHERE HE'S BEING HELD. AS JORDAN MENTIONED DURING THE BREAK, HE'S
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  • BEING HELD BECAUSE HE'S A CHRISTIAN AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
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  • IS ALL ABOUT. BUT HERE'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND IS, HE
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  • WAS BEING HELD FOR DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS, AND A DEPORTATION
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  • WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. THE DIFFICULTY NOW IS HE'S BEEN
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  • TRANSFERRED TO A REGULAR PRISON AND THIS IS A NATO ALLY. AND
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  • JORDAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NATO ASPECT OF THIS DURING THE
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  • BREAK. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHARE THIS WITH OUR FULL ON
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  • RADIO AUDIENCE TOO. JORDAN SEKULOW: YES, SO THIS IS NOT,
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  • AGAIN, THIS IS NOT IRAN. THIS IS NOT SUDAN. THESE ARE NOT
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  • COUNTRIES THAT ARE PART OF AN AXIS OF EVIL, OR STATE SPONSORS
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  • OF TERROR. I MEAN, TURKEY HAS HAD PROBLEMS; IT'S A KIND OF AN
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  • AUTHORITARIAN REGIME, BUT THIS IS NOT EVEN LIKE RUSSIA.
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  • -RIGHT. -THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT'S PART OF THE NATO
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  • ALLIANCE; THAT HAS, AT TIMES IN ITS HISTORY, WANTED TO BECOME
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  • MORE EUROPEAN. AND AT OTHER TIMES HAS KIND OF MOVED MORE
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  • EASTERN. AND NOW I THINK IT'S IN A TIME PERIOD WHERE IT'S AN
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  • AUTHORITARIAN REGIME AND ERDOGAN, WHO'S THE LEADER OF
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  • TURKEY, SOMEWHAT MORE ISLAMIC, CERTAINLY HE IS, HIS WIFE WEARS
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  • A VEIL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CONTROVERSIAL IN TURKEY. -WHICH
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  • IS UNUSUAL IN TURKEY. -BUT IT'S STILL A VERY COSMOPOLITAN
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  • COUNTRY. -YOU'VE BEEN THERE. -I'VE SPENT TIME IN ISTANBUL.
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  • NOW THERE WAS AN ATTEMPTED CUE SO THINGS WENT FROM KIND OF LIKE
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  • HOW IT IS IN PUTIN AND RUSSIA, TO MUCH MORE DANGEROUS FOR
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  • ANYONE WHO THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES AS MAY NOT BE QUITE
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  • IN LINE WITH THEM. NOW IN THE PASTOR'S CASE, AS HE SAID IN HIS
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  • STATEMENTS, HE HAS NO IDEA WHY HE'S HAD THESE CHARGES AGAINST
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  • HIM. HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS WITH NO PROBLEMS WITH THE
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  • GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE ERDOGAN GOVERNMENT, THROUGH THE
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  • CUE, DOING THIS ALL OPENLY AND PUBLICALLY; NOTHING HIDDEN HERE.
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  • -RIGHT. -HAD HIS VISA, WAS LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY. -YEAH,
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  • LEGAL STATUS. -HIS KIDS WERE RAISED THERE. -RIGHT. -AND YET
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  • HE'S STILL FACING THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE. -IT COULD BE A
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  • DEATH PENALTY CHARGE. -SO, YEAH, TURKEY IS DEBATING TO
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  • BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, -THE DEATH PENALTY. -BECAUSE
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  • OF THESE VERY ARRESTS. THIS IS HAPPENING TO A LOT OF TURKISH
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  • PEOPLE, BUT HE'S NOT BEEN CAUGHT UP IN THIS. AS AN AMERICAN,
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  • HONESTLY, HE SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THE U.S.
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  • GOVERNMENT, AS THE LEADER, REALLY, IN NATO, -RIGHT.
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  • -SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, SEND HIM HOME.
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  • HE'S NOT SOME MAJOR FIGURE THAT SHOULD BE, -WHICH THE OBAMA
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  • ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT DONE. -NO. -AND THANN, LET'S TALK
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  • ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE NOT BEEN GOOD AND WE'VE
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  • ALREADY GOT CONTACTS INTO THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION,
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  • WHICH I THINK WILL BE MUCH TOUGHER ON THIS STUFF, BUT
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  • YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON ON CAPITOL HILL BUT
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  • THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS. NOT ONLY WHAT'S GOING ON ON
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  • CAPITOL HILL, BUT WHAT CAN GO ON WITHIN THE INCOMING
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  • ADMINISTRATION ON THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE DONALD TRUMP,
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  • DURING THE ELECTION, RAISED ISSUES ON THE NATO ALLIANCES.
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  • THANN BENNETT: WELL, YEAH, AND IT UNDERSCORES WHAT JORDAN WAS
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  • JUST SAYING. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, JAY, HAS TO SPEAK
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  • WITH ONE VOICE. THIS IS A U.S. CITIZEN. WE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR
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  • OUR OWN. AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN OTHER SITUATIONS, JAY, BUT
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  • WITH IT BEING A NATO ALLY IT WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER
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  • THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT, THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, AND THEN
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  • MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION, STANDS
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  • UP AND SPEAKS WITH ONE VOICE AND DOESN'T ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS
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  • THAN A PROMPT RETURN. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT IRAN, THIS IS TURKEY
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  • AND THIS IS NOT A TURKISH CITIZEN, THIS IS A UNITED STATES
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  • CITIZEN. -AND AS I MENTIONED, OUR OXFORD CENTER FOR THE STUDY
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  • OF LAW AND PUBLIC POLICY, WHICH IS OUR POLICY ARM OF THE ACLJ
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  • HAS BEEN WORKING EXTENSIVELY ON THE ISSUES WITH TURKEY. WE HAVE
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  • EXPERTS ON THE SITUATION WITH TURKEY. WE REPRESENT THE
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  • ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH, OR THE GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH. THEY ARE
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  • HAVING TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS THERE AS WELL, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT
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  • SITUATION WHERE AN AMERICAN PASTOR, ANDREW BRUNSON, NOW IN
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  • PRISONED. HE'S AN AMERICAN, FOLKS; BORN IN NORTH CAROLINA,
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  • AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IN A TURKISH PRISON, NATO ALLY. LET'S GO
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  • AHEAD AND TAKE SOME CALLS. LOGAN SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO
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  • JEFF IN CHELSEA, MA. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HI, JEFF. GO AHEAD.
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  • -OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT SHOW. HERE'S MY QUESTION: CAN
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  • YOU SEE THIS OCCURRING IN AMERICA, ESPECIALLY IF THE
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  • PEOPLE ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE IN ANOTHER DEMOCRAT? -NO, LOOK,
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  • THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND EVERY
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  • PLACE ELSE IN THE WORLD: WE'VE GOT REAL CHECKS AND BALANCES.
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  • THE PRESIDENT'S POWERS ARE CHECKED. THE JUDICIARY HAS A
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  • CHECK. AND THE POINT YOU'RE BRINGING UP IS WE'VE GOT AN
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  • INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY IN THE UNITED STATES, JEFF. THE PROBLEM
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  • IS IN TURKEY, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE CUE, JORDAN, THERE IS NO
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  • INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY ANYMORE. THERE IS AN APPEAL FRIDAY, BUT
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  • LET ME TELL YOU, COULD A MIRACLE HAPPEN? YES. BUT REALISTICALLY,
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  • NO. -YEAH, MOST OF THE JUDGES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, -AND THROWN
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  • OUT. -THEY'VE LOST THEIR JOBS, THEY'RE ALSO IN JAIL FACING
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  • THESE KINDS OF CHARGES AS PART OF THE ATTEMPTED CUE, WHICH
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  • PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS EVEN REAL, WHETHER
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  • IT WAS A STUNT BY THIS AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, THE
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  • ERDOGAN GOVERNMENT IN TURKEY, TO HAVE A JUSTIFICATION FOR MASS
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  • ARRESTS AND MASS INCARCERATIONS. AND IT APPEARS THAT IN THIS
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  • SITUATION, IN IZMIR, TURKEY, WHICH IS ON THE MEDITERRANEAN
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  • SIDE. IT'S THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT UP IN, OBVIOUSLY,
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  • THIS MOVEMENT OR ELSE IT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN MAYBE LOCAL
  • 00:10:05.010 --> 00:10:08.190
  • OFFICIALS SAID WE DON'T WANT THIS CHURCH ANYMORE. WE'RE
  • 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.020
  • MUSLIMS, AND LET'S GET RID OF THIS GUY AND THEY CAN DEPORT
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  • HIM. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT RIGHT, YOU COULD EVEN SAY
  • 00:10:13.130 --> 00:10:17.100
  • THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD PROBABLY LEGALLY FIGHT, BUT
  • 00:10:17.110 --> 00:10:20.070
  • THEY'VE UPPED THE ANTE BY MOVING HIM FROM A DETENTION FACILITY
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  • FOR IMMIGRATION, WHICH WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES. YOU KNOW,
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  • IF YOU'RE HERE ILLEGALLY OR YOU NEED TO BE DEPORTED AND YOU'VE
  • 00:10:27.270 --> 00:10:30.110
  • BEEN JUDGED TO BE DEPORTED, YOU WOULD BE IN THOSE DETENTION
  • 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:32.230
  • FACILITIES UNTIL YOUR DEPORTATION COULD BE ARRANGED.
  • 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.280
  • -YEAH. -BUT HE WAS ALREADY THERE WAY TOO LONG. THAT WAS 60
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  • DAYS. USUALLY YOU'RE THERE FOR A FEW DAYS. -AND THEN DEPORTED.
  • 00:10:37.060 --> 00:10:39.260
  • -YEAH, AND THEN YOU'RE GONE. -THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GO
  • 00:10:39.270 --> 00:10:43.080
  • PUBLIC, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS HE WAS IN A
  • 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:46.090
  • DEPORTATION PROCEEDING; THE DEPORTATION ORDER HAD BEEN
  • 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:48.190
  • ISSUED, THEY'LL DEPORT HIM. THAT WOULD BE A VICTORY, GET HIM OUT.
  • 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.280
  • BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENED. -NO. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND NOW
  • 00:10:50.290 --> 00:10:53.010
  • HE'S IN A SITUATION WHERE HE'S IN A REAL PRISON FACING TERROR
  • 00:10:53.020 --> 00:10:57.080
  • CHARGES. -IT'S SERIOUS. -AND THIS ALL HAPPENED SINCE FRIDAY,
  • 00:10:57.090 --> 00:10:59.270
  • SO WE'RE TALKING JUST A FEW DAYS WHERE THE FAMILY HAS MADE THIS
  • 00:10:59.280 --> 00:11:02.040
  • DECISION THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS
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  • STORY. -ALRIGHT, WE DO WANT YOU TO SIGN THE PETITION AT
  • 00:11:04.100 --> 00:11:06.110
  • ACLJ.ORG. YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN EMAIL ABOUT IT THIS AFTERNOON ON
  • 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.090
  • THE BE HEARD PROJECT. THAT'S OUR PROJECT DEALING WITH THE
  • 00:11:09.100 --> 00:11:11.190
  • PERSECUTED CHURCH. ALSO YOU'LL BE GETTING EMAILS TOMORROW AND
  • 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.290
  • FRIDAY FROM THE ACLJ. SIGN THOSE. THE APPEAL IS FRIDAY
  • 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:19.170
  • WITHIN TURKEY. WE WANT TO LET OUR TURKISH LAWYERS THERE KNOW
  • 00:11:19.180 --> 00:11:22.140
  • WHAT THE STATUS IS; HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED ON. AND
  • 00:11:22.150 --> 00:11:25.210
  • THERE'S ALSO A PIECE UP AT FOXNEWS.COM. I WANT TO THANK OUR
  • 00:11:25.220 --> 00:11:29.120
  • FRIENDS AT FOX NEWS FOR AGAIN JUMPING RIGHT INTO COVER THIS.
  • 00:11:29.130 --> 00:11:32.090
  • THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND THE FACT THAT THEY DID THAT; IT'S ON THE
  • 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:35.200
  • FRONT PAGE OF THE FOX NEWS WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. LET'S TAKE
  • 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:39.000
  • SOME CALLS OR COMMENTS AT 1-800-684-3110. WE WANT TO HEAR
  • 00:11:39.010 --> 00:11:42.120
  • WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT
  • 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:44.290
  • TURKEY'S A NATO ALLY AND DID THIS? IS THAT A SIGN OF
  • 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.230
  • WEAKNESS? LOGAN SEKULOW: PAUL'S GOT A COMMENT RELATED TO THAT.
  • 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.280
  • LET'S GO TO PAUL IN LOUISIANA ON LINE 3. -HEY, PAUL. -YES, I'M
  • 00:11:49.290 --> 00:11:52.270
  • HERE. -YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -YES, SIR. REAL QUICK ON THE
  • 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:56.130
  • NATO THING, IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS SOMETHING THAT WE
  • 00:11:56.140 --> 00:11:58.240
  • NEED TO TALK ABOUT, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE PACTS
  • 00:11:58.250 --> 00:12:01.260
  • WE'VE MADE WITH THESE COUNTRIES AS THEY CHANGE. -YES. -HOW DO
  • 00:12:01.270 --> 00:12:04.150
  • WE, I KNOW TRUMP BROUGHT IT UP DURING THE ELECTION AND TOOK A
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:07.040
  • LOT OF HEAT FOR IT, I MEAN, -HE WAS RIGHT. -HE WAS RIGHT, AND
  • 00:12:07.050 --> 00:12:09.250
  • WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH TAIWAN THAT WE'RE FIXING TO HAVE TO
  • 00:12:09.260 --> 00:12:13.050
  • DEAL WITH THAT'S GOING TO BE OFF THE CHARTS. -YEAH, BUT THE ONE
  • 00:12:13.060 --> 00:12:15.080
  • WITH TURKEY, TURKEY IS A NATO ALLY. THEY'VE ALMOST CALLED ON
  • 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:17.180
  • OUR ASSISTANCE MULTIPLE TIMES. AND THEY'VE GONE THE WAY OF
  • 00:12:17.190 --> 00:12:21.110
  • BEING MORE OF AN ISLAMIC REGIME. THEY ARE CERTAINLY MOVING MORE
  • 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.250
  • IN THAT DIRECTION. AND THANN, THERE IS THIS SENSE THAT TURKEY
  • 00:12:25.260 --> 00:12:28.280
  • IS A FALSE ALLY AND WE'VE GOT THIS AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE GOT
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  • AN AMERICAN NOW, I MEAN, THIS MAKES THE BODY POLITIC, THE REAL
  • 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.230
  • POLITIC IS NOW WORLD POLITIC. AND THE REAL POLITIC, WE'RE
  • 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.050
  • SEEING. SO WHEN DONALD TRUMP AND IT CAME UP DURING THE CAMPAIGN
  • 00:12:39.060 --> 00:12:42.000
  • ABOUT NATO AND TURKEY, FOLKS, NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT
  • 00:12:42.010 --> 00:12:44.160
  • RIGHT HERE ON A CASE. SO WE'VE GOT A CASE INVOLVING TURKEY, A
  • 00:12:44.170 --> 00:12:47.250
  • NATO ALLY, AND A PASTOR BEING HELD BECAUSE HE'S A CHRISTIAN IN
  • 00:12:47.260 --> 00:12:51.170
  • A JAIL IN TURKEY AND THEY'RE A NATO ALLY. THANN. THANN BENNETT:
  • 00:12:51.180 --> 00:12:56.100
  • AND ALL THESE ALLIANCES, JAY, GETTING AN ALLY TO ABIDE BY THE
  • 00:12:56.110 --> 00:12:59.090
  • TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT REQUIRES LEADERSHIP. THAT HAS BEEN
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:01.240
  • SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN LACKING AT THE UNITED STATES AND I WOULD
  • 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:04.080
  • CERTAINLY ECHO YOUR THOUGHTS ON NATO, BUT I WOULD THROW ANOTHER
  • 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:06.190
  • ONE IN AT THE UNITED NATIONS. THIS IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE
  • 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.000
  • ICCPR. TURKEY IS IN VIOLATION. GUESS WHAT WOULD INFORCE THAT
  • 00:13:10.010 --> 00:13:13.260
  • AGREEMENT? U.S. LEADERSHIP AND I WOULD CALL ON THE NEXT
  • 00:13:13.270 --> 00:13:17.210
  • ADMINISTRATION TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN THE OUTGOING
  • 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:19.260
  • ADMINISTRATION TO ADMINISTER THAT. AND I DO BELIEVE IT WILL
  • 00:13:19.270 --> 00:13:22.170
  • TAKE PLACE. -ALRIGHT, FOLKS, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOT, THE
  • 00:13:22.180 --> 00:13:25.000
  • POLITICAL REALITY OF THIS IS WE CAN'T HAVE THIS GO ON FOR 3
  • 00:13:25.010 --> 00:13:27.160
  • YEARS. THIS IS GOT TO BE MOVING QUICKLY. WE'VE GOT AN INCOMING
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:30.120
  • ADMINISTRATION THAT'S TAKING A MUCH MORE HARDER LINE, INCLUDING
  • 00:13:30.130 --> 00:13:32.220
  • WITH ALLIES THAT AREN'T ACTING LIKE ALLIES. -YEAH, THAT'S
  • 00:13:32.230 --> 00:13:35.040
  • RIGHT AND SO YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMING
  • 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:37.210
  • SITUATIONS WHERE IF YOU ARE TURKEY AND NOW THIS HAS PROBABLY
  • 00:13:37.220 --> 00:13:41.020
  • GOTTEN ATTENTION OF YOUR NATIONAL LEADERS. THESE ALWAYS
  • 00:13:41.030 --> 00:13:43.200
  • START AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. -RIGHT. -IT'S NOT ISTANBUL.
  • 00:13:43.210 --> 00:13:47.030
  • THIS IS -A PROVINCE. -IT'S NOT THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, THIS
  • 00:13:47.040 --> 00:13:51.280
  • IS, AGAIN, THESE ARE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, BUT NOW WITH THE
  • 00:13:51.290 --> 00:13:54.170
  • TERROR CHARGES THAT WOULD BE LIKE A FEDERAL ISSUE. THAT'S NO
  • 00:13:54.180 --> 00:13:57.040
  • LONGER JUST A PETTY CRIME ISSUE OR A DEPORTATION MATTER. SO
  • 00:13:57.050 --> 00:14:01.060
  • YOU'VE NOW GOT TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE TURKISH
  • 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:03.270
  • GOVERNMENT. AND THE U.S., YOU WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU'RE
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:06.230
  • TURKEY, YOU'D MUCH RATHER DEAL WITH THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ON
  • 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.180
  • THIS AND JUST GET THIS HANDLED, THAN THE INCOMING TRUMP
  • 00:14:09.190 --> 00:14:11.290
  • ADMINISTRATION WITH PEOPLE LIKE MAD DOG MATTIS' AND THE CEO OF
  • 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.110
  • EXXON. -YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS STUFF EASILY. -NO,
  • 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.280
  • THEY'RE NOT AND THEY KNOW HOW TO, SO I THINK YOU WOULD IMAGINE
  • 00:14:19.290 --> 00:14:23.290
  • THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO RESOLVE THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
  • 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.210
  • NOW THAT BEING SAID WE KNOW THAT THIS STATE DEPARTMENT IS
  • 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:29.070
  • BASICALLY SHUTTING DOWN AND THAT IS AN ISSUE AS WELL. -AND
  • 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.060
  • THEY'VE BEEN VERY WEAK. -THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN WEAK ON
  • 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:34.010
  • THESE ISSUES. -AND THEY HAVE NEVER RECOGNIZED TURKEY AS THE
  • 00:14:34.020 --> 00:14:35.290
  • SERIOUS THREAT THAT IT IS. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS STILL UNDER
  • 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.060
  • THIS FALSE ILLUSION THAT TURKEY IS A REAL ALLY AND THAT IT'S A
  • 00:14:38.070 --> 00:14:41.090
  • PROGRESSIVE, DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. AND THAT'S JUST FALSE. -YES,
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  • THAT IT'S A DECENT PLACE IF YOU WILL. -THEY THOUGHT OF IT AS
  • 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:49.030
  • THE MODEL FOR THE MUSLIM WORLD. -AND THE THING IS IT WAS FOR A
  • 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:51.060
  • PERIOD OF TIME, -YEAH, NOT NOW. -BUT IT'S BEEN SLOWLY CHANGING
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:55.030
  • LIKE RUSSIA IN THE FALL OF THE SOVIET UNION WHERE THINGS GET A
  • 00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:58.260
  • LITTLE CHAO, IT'S KIND OF MOVED TOWARDS WHERE YOU'VE GOT AN
  • 00:14:58.270 --> 00:15:01.190
  • AUTHORITARIAN LEADER WHO LIVES IN A BIG, NEW PALACE, -YEAH,
  • 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.070
  • THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD.HA USED KIND OF POLITICAL ISLAM TO TAKE
  • 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:10.140
  • A MORE HARD LINE STANCE IN THE COUNTRY. -AND THE CUE MAY OR
  • 00:15:10.150 --> 00:15:13.120
  • MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REAL. THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. WE'RE GOING TO
  • 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:15.290
  • HAVE MORE OF YOUR COMMENTS AND CALLS. PRAY FOR THIS PASTOR.
  • 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.220
  • PRAY FOR HIS FAMILY. WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE IN JUST A MOMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, OF COURSE, THE
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  • AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE HAS BEEN INVOLVED
  • 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:30.030
  • ACTIVELY IN DEFENDING PERSECUTED RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,
  • 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:32.010
  • CHRISTIANS, AROUND THE GLOBE. WE'RE ANNOUNCING TODAY, WE'VE
  • 00:15:32.020 --> 00:15:34.220
  • BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WE'RE
  • 00:15:34.230 --> 00:15:36.280
  • REPRESENTING THE FAMILY OF AMERICAN PASTOR, ANDREW BRUNSON,
  • 00:15:36.290 --> 00:15:40.220
  • A U.S. CITIZEN FROM BLACK MOUNTAIN, NC. HE'S IMPRISONED IN
  • 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:44.240
  • TURKEY BECAUSE OF HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH. THEY'VE ALLEGED THAT HE'S
  • 00:15:44.250 --> 00:15:47.080
  • A MEMBER OF AN ARMED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. TURKEY IS A
  • 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:50.130
  • SUPPOSED NATO ALLY, AND I SAY SUPPOSED BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE
  • 00:15:50.140 --> 00:15:54.220
  • MATTER IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT ACTED LIKE AN ALLY IN A LONG
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  • TIME. WE ARE BUILDING GLOBAL SUPPORT FOR HIS CASE AT
  • 00:15:58.150 --> 00:16:02.060
  • ACLJ.ORG. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO THERE. THERE'S A PIECE UP ON
  • 00:16:02.070 --> 00:16:05.130
  • THIS CASE AT FOXNEWS.COM. THERE'S A NEWS STORY UP ON THAT
  • 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:09.170
  • SO THERE WILL BE MORE INFORMATION THERE. WE ARE TAKING
  • 00:16:09.180 --> 00:16:12.160
  • YOUR CALLS AT 1-800-684-3110. IT DOES BRING UP THE ISSUE THAT
  • 00:16:12.170 --> 00:16:16.140
  • DONALD TRUMP TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS WHEN NATO ALLIES DON'T ACT
  • 00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:19.030
  • LIKE ALLIES. AND BEFORE WE GET TO THE CALLERS, LOGAN, AND
  • 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:23.180
  • COMMENTS, JORDAN, THE FACT IS THIS IS A NATO ALLY THAT DOES
  • 00:16:23.190 --> 00:16:26.120
  • NOT ACT LIKE A NATO ALLY. TRUMP GOT A LOT OF PRESSURE AND PUSH
  • 00:16:26.130 --> 00:16:29.030
  • BACK ON THAT BUT WE'RE WATCHING IT RIGHT NOW ON A REAL CASE,
  • 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:31.290
  • FOLKS. HE WAS RIGHT. JORDAN SEKULOW: YES, I MEAN, SO YOU'VE
  • 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.250
  • GOT A SITUATION WHERE AN ALLY IS NOT ACTING LIKE AN ALLY AND IT'S
  • 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:38.200
  • NOT TO SAY THAT TO BE A MEMBER OF NATO YOU HAVE TO BE IN LINE
  • 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:42.000
  • ON EVERY ISSUE, BUT IT WOULD BE HARD TO IMAGINE THIS HAPPENING
  • 00:16:42.010 --> 00:16:44.190
  • WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF NATO AND ANY OF THOSE COUNTRIES ON A
  • 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.080
  • SITUATION INVOLVING BECAUSE OF SOMEONE'S FAITH. AND IF THERE
  • 00:16:48.090 --> 00:16:51.200
  • WAS A DISAGREEMENT OVER A CITIZEN, SPECIFICALLY, AND
  • 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:54.210
  • YOU'VE GOT THOSE AGREEMENTS AS WELL. THERE IS NOTHING HERE IN
  • 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:57.170
  • CHARGES. THIS IS A REGION OF THE WORLD WHERE IF SOMEONE WAS
  • 00:16:57.180 --> 00:17:01.230
  • INVOLVED IN CHARGES LIKE THIS, IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO BRING
  • 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.220
  • THEM, BUT IN THIS CASE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF
  • 00:17:04.230 --> 00:17:06.280
  • INFORMATION. LOGAN SEKULOW: LET'S GO TO MICHAEL CALLING FROM
  • 00:17:06.290 --> 00:17:09.040
  • CALIFORNIA. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HI, MICHAEL. -GOOD DAY TO
  • 00:17:09.050 --> 00:17:12.120
  • YOU. I WAS THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE TO FLOOD
  • 00:17:12.130 --> 00:17:17.130
  • THE TURKISH EMBASSY WITH PHONE CALLS CONCERNING THIS, AS WELL
  • 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:20.290
  • AS THE PETITION. -ALRIGHT, SO LET ME TELL YOU THE ORDER IN
  • 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.230
  • WHICH WE'RE DOING IT AND I'LL GET THANN TO COMMENT ON THIS, WE
  • 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.010
  • ARE STARTING THE PETITION CAMPAIGN ACTUALLY TODAY. THERE
  • 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:30.060
  • HAVE BEEN HIGH DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE TURKISH EMBASSY BY
  • 00:17:30.070 --> 00:17:34.170
  • UNITED STATES SENATORS AND OTHERS. BUT THANN, AS FAR AS
  • 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:39.270
  • CALLS INTO THE TURKISH EMBASSY, ARE WE READY FOR THAT YET OR
  • 00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:42.080
  • SHOULD WE HOLD OFF AND GET THIS PETITION? I DON'T THINK FLOODING
  • 00:17:42.090 --> 00:17:44.200
  • THE TURKISH EMBASSY RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY OUR BEST BET. THANN
  • 00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:47.230
  • BENNETT: THE FIRST STEP IS TO SIGN THIS PETITION, JAY. WE HAVE
  • 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.100
  • BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE EMBASSIES, BOTH HERE IN
  • 00:17:50.110 --> 00:17:52.050
  • WASHINGTON D.C. AND IN ANKARA. SO THOSE CONTACTS HAVE BEEN
  • 00:17:52.060 --> 00:17:55.240
  • MADE. THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE WE WILL DEPLOY THE INDIVIDUAL
  • 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:58.090
  • CALLS, BUT FOR NOW YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE CASE, YOU NEED
  • 00:17:58.100 --> 00:18:01.050
  • TO READ THE FACTS, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR MEMBERS AWARE OF IT.
  • 00:18:01.060 --> 00:18:03.270
  • AND WE WILL START THAT INITIAL OUTREACH FOR YOU. -YEAH, IT'S
  • 00:18:03.280 --> 00:18:07.140
  • TURKEY'S NOW, THE BALL WILL BE IN THEIR COURT, THEIR LEADERSHIP
  • 00:18:07.150 --> 00:18:11.060
  • AS WELL BECAUSE NOW IT'S GONE SO PUBLIC. AND YOU WILL SEE HOW THE
  • 00:18:11.070 --> 00:18:16.090
  • GOVERNMENT RESPONDS. DO THEY WANT THIS RESOLVED? DO THEY TRY
  • 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:18.190
  • TO MAKE THIS A BIGGER ISSUE? UNFORTUNATELY, THE OBAMA
  • 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.060
  • ADMINISTRATION, YOU CAN SAY, HAS SET AN UNFORTUNATE PRECEDENT
  • 00:18:21.070 --> 00:18:23.170
  • THAT YOU CAN GET SOMETHING OUT OF THESE KINDS OF RELEASES LIKE
  • 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:26.170
  • IRAN. BUT THIS IS NOT A COUNTRY, AGAIN, THAT SHOULD BE TREATED
  • 00:18:26.180 --> 00:18:30.190
  • LIKE IRAN OR RUSSIA, OR CHINA FOR THAT MATTER, -NO, THIS IS A
  • 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.110
  • NATO ALLY. -IT'S ONE OF OUR ALLIES. IT'S A U.S. ALLY.
  • 00:18:34.120 --> 00:18:38.040
  • -NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION ALLY. NOW HERE'S
  • 00:18:38.050 --> 00:18:40.140
  • WHAT DONALD TRUMP, WHO RAISED CONCERN ABOUT THIS AND GOT
  • 00:18:40.150 --> 00:18:42.240
  • PUSHBACK, BUT THIS IS WHAT HE SAID, HE WAS RIGHT, HERE IT IS:
  • 00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:45.050
  • DONALD TRUMP: WHEN YOU LOOK AT NATO, I WAS ASKED ON A MAJOR
  • 00:18:45.060 --> 00:18:48.090
  • SHOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF NATO? NOW YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I'M A
  • 00:18:48.100 --> 00:18:51.120
  • BUSINESS PERSON. I DID REALLY WELL, BUT I HAVE COMMON SENSE,
  • 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:54.180
  • AND I SAID, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVEN'T GIVEN LOTS OF THOUGHT
  • 00:18:54.190 --> 00:18:57.100
  • TO NATO, BUT 2 THINGS: #1, THE 28 COUNTRIES OF NATO, MANY OF
  • 00:18:57.110 --> 00:19:01.050
  • THEM AREN'T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. #2, AND THAT BOTHERS ME
  • 00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:03.250
  • BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE, WE'RE DEFENDING THEM AND THEY SHOULD
  • 00:19:03.260 --> 00:19:06.150
  • AT LEAST BE PAYING US WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING BY
  • 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.120
  • TREATY AND CONTRACT. -WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO NATO COUNTRIES
  • 00:19:09.130 --> 00:19:13.110
  • TO PROVIDE AID, INCLUDING TO TURKEY, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD
  • 00:19:13.120 --> 00:19:16.140
  • TROUBLES WITH RUSSIA ON THEIR BORDERS AND OTHER COUNTRIES, AND
  • 00:19:16.150 --> 00:19:19.180
  • SYRIA, AND WE HAVE AN AMERICAN PASTOR BEING HELD NOW THERE IN
  • 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:24.000
  • PRISON. THAT IS NOT THE WAY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK UNDER NATO.
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:27.270
  • -YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, HE'S BEEN 23 YEARS IN THE
  • 00:19:27.280 --> 00:19:30.230
  • COUNTRY. SO HE'S NOT A RABBLE ROUSER, NOT SOMEONE WHO WAS
  • 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:35.060
  • FLYING UNDER THE RADAR, HE'S NOT A TURKISH NATIONAL. AGAIN, HE'S
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  • AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, YOU CAN SAY MISSIONARY, BUT IN A SENSE, HE
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  • SPENT SO MANY YEARS THERE, I DON'T THINK HE'D BE CONSIDERED
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  • THAT. -NO, HE'S A PASTOR. -I THINK HE'S A LOCAL PASTOR.
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  • -YEAH. -BUT HE'S AN AMERICAN AND HIS KIDS WERE RAISED THERE.
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  • HE'S HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE GOVERNMENT BEFORE IN THE PAST,
  • 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:54.200
  • GETS CAUGHT UP IN A DEPORTATION ISSUE. THE FAMILY WAS UPSET
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  • ABOUT THAT BUT THEN GETS MOVED OUT OF A REGULAR, KIND OF
  • 00:19:57.170 --> 00:20:02.110
  • HOLDING FACILITY, WHERE THE CONDITIONS WERE OKAY FOR TURKISH
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  • STANDARDS. NOW INTO A PRISON. NOW I WANT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE
  • 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.180
  • PROBLEMS WITH THAT. IN TURKEY RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE BEING
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  • CHARGED WITH TERROR RELATED CHARGES, YOU ARE IN PRISON WITH
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  • PEOPLE WHO ARE, LIKE, FROM ISIS. -YEAH. -SO TURKEY IS DEALING
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  • WITH REAL TERROR THREATS. IT IS ABSURD THAT AN AMERICAN PASTOR
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  • HAS BEEN CAUGHT UP IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE TREATING THIS,
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  • WHICH IS NOT THE WAY THE U.S. WOULD EVER TREAT A TERROR
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  • THREAT, OR PROBABLY OTHER NATO ALLIES, BUT THIS IS AN
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  • AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, BORDERING ON DICTATORSHIP.
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  • -YEP. -I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GO THAT FAR BECAUSE THERE STILL
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  • ARE, TECHNICALLY, ELECTIONS THERE. -PRETTY CLOSE. -BUT
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  • HE'S DONE THE SAME KINDS OF MOVES LIKE PUTIN WHERE HE'S
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  • BECOME, HE'S CHANGED THE CONSTITUTION AROUND, -SO HE HAS
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  • MORE POWERS. -RIGHT. WELL, MORE POWERS AND HE'S ABLE TO CONTINUE
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  • TO HOLD THESE POSITIONS OF POWER. AND YOU'VE SEEN MASS
  • 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:54.140
  • ARRESTS OF PLENTY OF TURKISH PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY SHOULDN'T
  • 00:20:54.150 --> 00:20:57.010
  • HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S AN AMERICAN, IT'S NOT
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  • SOMEONE FROM TURKEY WHO'S INVOLVED IN POLITICS. -AND LIKE
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  • JORDAN SAID, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IRAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING
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  • ABOUT EVEN SAUDI ARABIA, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE AN ALLY. WE'RE
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:07.260
  • TALKING ABOUT A NATO ALLY. THEY'RE PART OF A NORTH ATLANTIC
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  • TREATY ORGANIZATION COUNTRY, FOR GOODNESS SAKE. ALRIGHT, LET'S
  • 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:14.140
  • TAKE A PHONE CALL. WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT? LOGAN SEKULOW: LET'S
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  • GO TO MG ON LINE 1 IN CALIFORNIA. -HI, MG. YOU'RE ON
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  • THE AIR. -HELLO! THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE GOOD WORK YOU'RE DOING.
  • 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:22.010
  • -THANKS. -SO I SPENT 2 SUMMERS IN TURKEY AND WE WERE THERE
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  • OFFICIALLY TO TEACH ENGLISH BECAUSE WE COULD NOT GO THERE TO
  • 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:31.040
  • WORK AS MISSIONARIES. -RIGHT. -BUT WE WORKED WITH A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:21:31.050 --> 00:21:35.030
  • CHURCH, A LEGAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN THE TOWN OF ANTALYA. AND TO
  • 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:41.000
  • PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, ANTALYA HAS 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE AND IF WE
  • 00:21:41.010 --> 00:21:45.040
  • COUNTED EVERYONE WHO WAS A TURK THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ATTEND
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  • THE CHURCH SERVICE, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN 200. IT'S THE ONLY
  • 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.100
  • CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN TOWN. IT'S KIND OF CHALLENGE OVER THERE AND
  • 00:21:51.110 --> 00:21:57.180
  • OUR DEAR FRIEND, RAMAZAN ARKON, WHO IS THE TURKISH PASTOR WHO'S
  • 00:21:57.190 --> 00:22:00.280
  • PRESBYTERIAN AND JIM BULTEMA, THE AMERICAN PASTOR WHO WAS
  • 00:22:00.290 --> 00:22:06.130
  • THERE, SAW SOME HORRIBLE THINGS. RAMAZAN WAS TRYING TO PUT
  • 00:22:06.140 --> 00:22:11.220
  • TOGETHER A CHRISTMAS SERVICE AND THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORIZED IT, IT
  • 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:14.190
  • WAS A LEGAL GATHERING IN THE SQUARE. AND THE POLICE CONTACTED
  • 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.270
  • RAMAZAN AND SAID YOU'RE FINE DOING THIS, BUT WE'RE REALLY
  • 00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:24.020
  • WORRIED SOMEONE'S GOING TO TRY TO TAKE YOU OUT. AND THEN SURE
  • 00:22:24.030 --> 00:22:26.280
  • ENOUGH MOMENTS BEFORE HE WAS TO TAKE THE STAGE, THEY GOT A GUY
  • 00:22:26.290 --> 00:22:31.190
  • WITH A WEAPON. BUT YOU KNOW, -THIS IS HAPPENING, BY THE WAY,
  • 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:35.000
  • IN TURKEY OFTEN NOW. JORDAN WAS THERE, WAS IT, 3 YEARS AGO? -2
  • 00:22:35.010 --> 00:22:38.260
  • YEARS AGO. -2 YEARS AGO. IT HAS CHANGED RADICALLY, AND WE'VE
  • 00:22:38.270 --> 00:22:41.220
  • ONLY GOT A MINUTE LEFT HERE, RADICALLY IN THE LAST 2 YEARS.
  • 00:22:41.230 --> 00:22:45.150
  • -YEAH, I MEAN, TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN RUSSIA, AND
  • 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.290
  • SO I WAS KIND OF COMPARING IT TO THAT KIND OF FEEL, THAT TURKEY
  • 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.100
  • WAS, WHEN I WAS THERE, THIS WAS WHEN THEY WERE BEGINNING THIS
  • 00:22:50.110 --> 00:22:53.040
  • INFLUX IN INSTANBUL OF ALL THE MIGRANTS, REFUGEES. SO THERE
  • 00:22:53.050 --> 00:22:57.060
  • WERE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS EVERYWHERE AND YOU COULD SEE
  • 00:22:57.070 --> 00:23:00.020
  • THAT THEY DID HAVE A REAL THREAT WITH THAT LIKE WE DO HERE ON A
  • 00:23:00.030 --> 00:23:02.170
  • MUCH LARGER SCALE. WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF REFUGEES FROM SYRIA
  • 00:23:02.180 --> 00:23:06.140
  • AND IRAQ, WHO SOME COULD HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE HAD TERROR
  • 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:10.090
  • ATTACKS. SO THEY HAVE THREATS BUT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:23:10.100 --> 00:23:13.160
  • THERE NOW, WHICH I THINK IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN HOW IT WAS MAYBE
  • 00:23:13.170 --> 00:23:16.230
  • 10-15 YEARS AGO, IT FEELS VERY SIMILAR IN INSTANBUL TO MOSCOW.
  • 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:21.090
  • IT'S COSMOPOLITAN. IT'S WESTERNISH WITH AN EASTERN TILT.
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  • OBVIOUSLY, LIKE MOSCOW, VERY PRO-BUSINESS, AT THE SAME TIME
  • 00:23:25.250 --> 00:23:29.230
  • THERE'S THE SQUARE. -GROWING ISLAMIC THREAT. -DON'T GO
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  • PROTEST. SO IT'S KEEP QUIET. YOU CAN GO ABOUT YOUR DAY AND YOU
  • 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:36.290
  • DON'T HAVE TO WORRY, -BUT THIS PASTOR, WHO KEPT QUIET, HE ENDS
  • 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.160
  • UP IN JAIL. WE'RE HELPING TO GET HIM OUT. -HE STILL GOT CAUGHT
  • 00:23:40.170 --> 00:23:43.080
  • UP IN THAT. -HE WAS STILL THROWN IN JAIL. WELL, FOLKS,
  • 00:23:43.090 --> 00:23:45.210
  • THIS IS THE FIRST T.V. BROADCAST WE'VE DONE ON THIS CASE. AND WE
  • 00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:47.160
  • WERE NOT GOING PUBLIC ON THIS AS WE WERE WORKING DIPLOMATIC
  • 00:23:47.170 --> 00:23:50.080
  • EFFORTS WHEN PASTOR BRUNSON WAS ACTUALLY BEING HELD IN A
  • 00:23:50.090 --> 00:23:53.150
  • DEPORTATION FACILITY WHERE HE WAS GOING TO BE DEPORTED. THAT'S
  • 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.180
  • NOW A MUCH DIFFERENT CASE SINCE HE'S BEEN TRANSFERRED FROM THE
  • 00:23:56.190 --> 00:23:59.060
  • DEPORTATION ISSUE TO NOW A CRIMINAL CHARGE. HE HAS DONE
  • 00:23:59.070 --> 00:24:03.110
  • NOTHING EXCEPT RUNNING AND PASTORING HIS CHURCH. AND NOW
  • 00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:06.290
  • HE'S IN CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS. HE'S IN THE JAIL, BY THE WAY,
  • 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.050
  • WITH ISIS MEMBERS. THEY PUT HIM IN THE SAME JAIL. SO THIS IS AN
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  • AMERICAN. TURKEY IS A NATO ALLY. FOR THOSE OF YOU, I REALLY
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  • ENCOURAGE THOSE OF YOU ON TBN TO BE PRAYING FOR OUR TEAM, PRAY
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  • FOR TBN AS WE'RE ABLE TO BROADCAST THIS AROUND THE WORLD
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  • AND PRAY FOR THE BRUNSON FAMILY. WE'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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