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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [ANNOUNCER] LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW
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  • AND JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW! JAY SEKULOW: HEY, EVERYBODY! WELCOME
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  • TO THE BROADCAST. WELL, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A MAJOR
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  • LITIGATION AGAINST THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE ON BEHALF OF
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  • CONSERVATIVE AND CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS OVER THE PAST 3
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  • YEARS. AND WE JUST HAD A MAJOR VICTORY AGAIN; THIS TIME AT THE
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  • DISTRICT COURT. BACK LAST YEAR WE WON AT THE COURT OF APPEALS
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  • AND WE JUST WON AT THE DISTRICT COURT ALLOWING FOR DISCOVERY OF
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  • THE IRS'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL TARGETING OF PRO-LIFE GROUPS, OF
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  • CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS, OF CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS.
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  • WHAT'S SO INTERESTING, EVEN ASKING THE INDIVIDUAL
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  • APPLICANTS, THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THE CONTENTS OF THEIR PRAYERS.
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  • NOW WHAT WAS THE PLACE OF THE IRS TO DO THAT? THEY HAD NO
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  • PLACE DOING THAT. WE DID A SPECIAL MOVIE ON THIS CALLED
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  • TAX INVASION. TAKE A LOOK:
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  • -WELCOME BACK TO
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  • HANNITY! BREAKING NEWS OUT OF WASHINGTON. A BOMBSHELL
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  • ADMISSION BY THE IRS. THE TAX AGENCY IS OFFICIALLY APOLOGIZING
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  • FOR SUBJECTING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS TO ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY
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  • DURING THE 2012 ELECTION. -JAY SEKULOW IS AN ATTORNEY AND CHIEF
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  • COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE. HE
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  • REPRESENTED GROUPS TARGETED BY THE AGENCY. THEY ADMIT THEY DID
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  • IT BECAUSE YOU FORCED THEM TO ADMIT THEY DID IT. -WE APPLIED
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  • FOR A TAX STATUS IN 2010. WE WAITED 18 MONTHS. THEY SENT
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  • THESE LETTERS WANTING A LOT OF INFORMATION THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED
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  • TO ASK US. -SEND US YOUR FACEBOOK PAGES, YOUR TWITTER
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  • PAGES. AND I SAID DOES THAT INCLUDE PERSONAL PAGES. AND THEY
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  • SAID EVERYTHING. THEY WANTED TO KNOW YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS
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  • WITH POLITICIANS AND POLITICAL PARTIES AND THEY MADE AN
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  • INSINUATION, LIKE, LOOK, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED PERJURY IF YOU
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  • OMIT THINGS FROM THE IRS AND THAT CARRIES WITH IT JAIL TIME.
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  • [LAUGHTER] I'M A PREGNANT, STAY AT HOME MOTHER ON ONE INCOME. I
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  • THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING. -SOME OF THESE
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  • GROUPS WERE BEING ASKED WHAT BOOKS YOU READ. I MEAN, WHAT
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  • KIND OF COUNTRY WOULD WE LIVE IN WHERE THE TAX AGENCY IS ASKING
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  • PEOPLE WHAT KIND OF BOOKS THEY READ. -THE IRS WANTED TO KNOW
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  • THE CONTENT OF OUR PRAYERS BECAUSE WE WERE FOR THE STATE OF
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  • ISRAEL. ALL OF THE REASONS THAT THEY WERE GIVING THESE
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  • QUESTIONS, I NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE. -AND
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  • REALLY, I THINK IT'S DONE FOR INTIMIDATION FACTOR. YOU KNOW,
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  • THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN CHURCHES WHERE THE MINISTERS ARE
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  • AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THREATENED THAT
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  • THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. HERE WE'RE
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  • NOT THREATENING TO TAKE IT AWAY; WE'RE JUST THREATENING NEVER TO
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  • GIVE YOU TAX EXEMPT STATUS. -IT IS A GROSS ABUSE OF POWER. WHEN
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  • RICHARD NIXON TRIED TO USE THE IRS TO TARGET HIS POLITICAL
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  • ENEMIES, IT WAS WRONG AND IT WAS RIGHTFULLY DECRIED IN A
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  • BI-PARTISAN MANNER. AND WHEN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID THE
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  • SAME THING, IT'S EVERY BIT AS WRONG. -THEY USED NAMES LIKE
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  • TEA PARTY OR PATRIOTS AND THEY SELECTED CASES SIMPLY BECAUSE
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  • THE APPLICATION HAD THOSE NAMES IN THE TITLE. THAT WAS WRONG.
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  • THE IRS WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. -OH! OKAY, THANK YOU!
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  • I APPRECIATE! WAIT A MINUTE! [LAUGHTER] I DIDN'T REALIZE
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  • APOLOGIES WERE SUFFICIENT IN IRS RELATED ISSUES. -TELL US ABOUT
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  • THE DERIVATION OF YOUR ORGANIZATION'S NAME, EXPECIALLY
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  • IF YOU HAD LIBERTY IN THERE. -THIS IS CHICAGO THUG POLITICS.
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  • -WHAT THE IRS DID HERE IS OUTRAGEOUS. -IT'S AN EVIL
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  • AGENCY AND I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL GET UP IN ARMS ABOUT
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  • IT. -IF, IN FACT, IRS PERSONNEL ENGAGED IN THE KIND OF PRACTICES
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  • THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED ON, AND WERE INTENTIONALLY TARGETING
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  • CONSERVATIVE GROUPS, THEN THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. -THIS ISN'T
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  • SPECULATION. THEY'RE ADMITTING IT. -IF THIS ISN'T A GATHERING
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  • OF AN ENEMY'S LIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. -THEY'VE APOLOGIZED
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  • FOR IT, WHICH, BY THE WAY, THE APOLOGY IS NOT ACCEPTED. THE
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  • PRESIDENT NEEDS TO STOP THE I'' AND GET TO THE REALITY HERE THAT
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  • THIS WAS A COMPLETE MISUSE OF THE OFFICE OF THE INTERNAL
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  • REVENUE SERVICE. -HAS A CRIME BEEN COMMITTED HERE? -SO FAR,
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  • FOR MOST OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN AN ENDLESS PARADE OF
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  • DISTRACTIONS AND POLITICAL POSTURING AND PHONY SCANDALS.
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  • -CAN YOU TELL US WHAT PHONY SCANDALS HE'S TALKING ABOUT?
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  • -WHETHER IT'S ABOUT THE ATTACKS ON BENGHAZI AND THE TALKING
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  • POINTS, OR REVELATIONS ABOUT CONDUCT AT THE IRS, A LOT MORE
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  • ENERGY AND FOCUS WAS PAID BY SOME IN CONGRESS, AS WELL AS IN
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  • THE MEDIA, ON ISSUES THAT, WHILE IMPORTANT, ARE NOT OF THE
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  • HIGHEST PRIORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND THEY WERE NOT
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  • SCANDALS. -WE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THESE FACTS. WHAT
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  • WE KNOW ALREADY IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. -DURING THE COURSE
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  • OF THIS STORY, AS IT BEGAN TO UNFOLD, I KNEW IMMEDIATELY, AS
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  • I'M SURE YOU DID, -RIGHT. -THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE THAT IT
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  • WAS 2 LOW-LEVEL, -ROGUE. -YEAH, THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR
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  • THAT IT WAS LOW-LEVEL STAFFERS, WHO WERE ROGUE, WHO HAD MADE
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  • THIS INDEPENDENT DECISION. -WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR IS THE
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  • FREEDOM OF OUR NATION. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A NATION THAT'S BY
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  • THE PEOPLE, OR A NATION THAT IS TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY THE
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  • GOVERNMENT? WE GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: LET ME TELL
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  • YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. WE FILED A MASSIVE
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  • FEDERAL LAWSUIT 3 YEARS AGO ALLEGING THAT THE IRS ENGAGED IN
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  • BOTH STATUTORY AND CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS BY
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  • TARGETING CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY GROUPS, CONSERVATIVE PRO-LIFE
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  • GROUPS, CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS THEY
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  • DEEMED TO BE POLITICAL, GROUPS THAT WERE TEACHING EVEN ABOUT
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  • THE CONSTITUTION AND THAT WAS ALL THE SUDDEN OFF LIMITS. WE
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  • HAVE HAD 37 GROUPS IN 21 STATES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. ONE
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  • GROUP IS STILL SEEKING THEIR 501C4 STATUS. THAT IS
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  • ALBUQUERQUE. THE OTHERS HAVE, WE WON THEM. AND WE HAD A BIG WIN
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  • WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH CARLY GAMMILL, ONE OF OUR
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  • SENIOR LAWERS, WHO WAS JUST IN WASHINGTON ARUGING ON THIS CASE.
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  • I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS, HOW IS IT THAT THE AFTER SCHOOL SATAN CLUB
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  • GETS APPROVED IN 10 DAYS, BUT WE'VE GOT A CLIENT GOING ON 10
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  • YEARS. AND YOU THINK THIS ISN'T STILL AN ONGOING PROBLEM AT THE
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  • IRS? GUESS AGAIN. IT IS! BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FULL
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  • MOVIE, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR FREE AT IRSMOVIE.COM. THAT'S
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  • IRSMOVIE.COM. WE'VE GOT MORE ON THE CASE INVOLVING THE IRS AND
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  • THESE CHRISTIAN AND CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS WHEN WE COME BACK
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  • FROM THE BREAK.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'VE GOT THIS MAJOR
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  • CASE AGAINST THE INTERNAL
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  • REVENUE SERVICE AND NOW WE'RE ENTITLED TO DISCOVERY.AND WHAT
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  • THAT MEANS IS WE CAN NOW FIND OUT WHY THESE POLICIES WERE PUT
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  • IN PLACE, WHO PUT THEM IN PLACE, AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
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  • CARLY GAMMILL IS A SENIOR ATTORNEY AT THE ACLJ. SHE'S
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  • GOING TO BE DOING THAT DISCOVERY, CONDUCTING THAT
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  • DISCOVERY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR? CARLY GAMMILL:
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  • WELL, MOST IMPORTANTLY, AS YOU JUST SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BE
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  • LOOKING FOR HOW DID THIS HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND WHAT
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  • AFFECTS IS IT STILL HAVING ON THESE ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE THEY
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  • HAVE NO IDEA. THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING ARE THEY CONTINUING
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  • TO BE MONITORED FOR THESE SAME DISCRIMINATORY REASONS? SO IT'S
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  • KIND OF A COMBINATION OF WHAT DID YOU DO, WHY DID YOU DO IT,
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  • AND HOW IS THAT STILL AFFECTING THE GROUPS? -JORDAN, MY
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  • ASSESSMENT IS THAT DEEP WITHIN THESE BUREAUCRACIES, UNTIL YOU
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  • HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE AT THE TOP AND DIRECTION THAT'S VERY
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  • CLEAR, THE BUREAUCRACIES THEMSELVES WILL BE SO HOSTILE,
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  • AS THESE BUREAUCRATS ARE, AND IN LOCK-STEP WITH THE OTHER SIDE,
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  • THAT THIS IS PART OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE BEEN
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  • TALKING ABOUT FOR MONTHS ON THE RADIO BROADCAST. JORDAN SEKULOW:
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  • YEAH, IT'S NOT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY LEAKING CLASSIFIED
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  • INFORMATION. WHAT THIS IS IS THE BUREAUCRATS WITHIN THESE
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  • AGENCIES, THAT AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE THE IRS, BUT THE
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  • IDEA THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME AFTER YOU SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE
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  • OF THE POLITICIANS YOU SUPPORT, OR THE CAUSES YOU BELIEVE IN, OR
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  • THE IDEAOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE, THAT'S WHEN IT GETS INTO AN OUT
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  • OF CONTROL SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A SERIOUS DISTRUST
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  • IN THEIR GOVERNMENT. AND YET THIS IS THAT REINFORCEMENT OF,
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  • WE REPRESENT KIND OF, THE BRAVE GROUPS WHO ARE WILLING TO FIGHT
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  • THE IRS IN FEDERAL COURT. -RIGHT. -AS CARLY SAID, AND AS
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  • EVEN THE JUDGES ARE CONSIDERING, MOST PEOPLE ARE WONDERING HOW
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  • MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD JUST HAVE GOTTEN THESE LETTERS AND
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  • SAID, OKAY, NEVER MIND, I DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS
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  • PROCESS. THIS IS NERVE WRACKING. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANY KIND OF
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  • QUESTIONNAIRE LIKE THIS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEFORE SO
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  • WE'LL JUST MOVE ALONG. AND THESE ARE POLITICAL SEASONS SO THESE
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  • GROUPS, THEY DO COME AND GO IN THESE KINDS OF CYCLES. -BUT
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  • THIS EFFECTIVELY SHUT THEM DOWN. -ISSUES THAT MATTER, -IT
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  • EFFECTIVELY SHUT THEM DOWN. -IT DID. THROUGH AT LEAST 2 ELECTION
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  • CYCLES THERE WERE NO DISCUSSIONS BY THESE GROUPS. OFFICIALLY THEY
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  • WEREN'T ABLE TO FUNCTION AS ORGANIZATIONS. THEY LOST
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  • DONATIONS. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET INSURANCE FOR
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  • THEIR GROUP IF THEY WANTED TO RENT A BUS TO GO TO A RALLY OR
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  • AN EVENT. AND MOST OF THESE GROUPS, SMALL CITIZENS GROUPS OF
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  • PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO VOLUNTARILY COMPLY WITH THE LAW, THEY
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  • SUBMITTED THEIR INFORMATION TO THE IRS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
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  • EITHER FORM A LARGER GROUP, START ACCEPTING BIGGER
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  • DONATIONS, MAKE IT OFFICAL, BUT THEY WENT TO THE IRS
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  • VOLUNTARILY. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE DRAGGED THERE, KICKING AND
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  • SCREAMING AND THEN DENIED BY THE IRS. MOST OF THEM WERE JUST,
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  • BASICALLY, PUT ON THIS VERY LONG PROCESS OF YEARS. -WELL, IT'S
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  • CALLED A LIST. THERE WAS A LIST. THEY HAD A BE ON THE LOOKOUT'
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  • LIST. -YEAH, A BOLO LIST. -YEAH, BE ON THE LOOK OUT LIST.
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  • I MEAN, THAT WAS A LIST THAT THE IRS HAD. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD
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  • AND TAKE A PHONE CALL HERE. LOGAN SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, LET'S GO
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  • TO CHRISTY WHO'S CALLING ON LINE 4. NEVADA. -HI, CHRISTY! -HI,
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  • EVERYONE. JAY, FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL
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  • YOUR BOOKS. -THANKS! I APPRECIATE THAT. -I HAVE EVERY
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  • SINGLE ONE OF THEM AND I'M ORDERING THANN'S. -GREAT! -I
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  • AM NOT A GROUP. I AM JUST A -BY THE WAY, WE'LL SEND YOU, I'LL
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  • TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL PUT YOU ON HOLD, WE'LL SEND YOU THANN'S,
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  • BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. IF YOU BOUGHT ALL THE BOOKS, WE'LL GIVE
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  • YOU THANN'S. -ANYWAY, I AM NOT A GROUP. -OKAY. -BUT WE WERE
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  • ISOLATED BY THE IRS. IT'S BEEN LASTING ABOUT A YEAR. IT STARTED
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  • OUT WE GOT A LETTER FROM THEM; IT STARTED BACK WHEN THEY WERE
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  • TAKING THE POLLS FOR PRESIDENT. AND WE JUST STAYED NEUTRAL
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  • THROUGHOUT ALL THE POLLS. AT THE VERY END POLL IS WHEN WE CAME
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  • OUT AND SAID, YES, WE WERE CONSERVATIVE. YES, WE ARE BORN
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  • AGAIN CHRISTIANS. -THIS IS A POLL YOU GOT THAT SOMEBODY TOLD
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  • YOU WAS THE IRS? -ON THE PHONE. IT WAS NOT FROM THE IRS. THEY
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  • WERE JUST TAKING A POLL. -YEAH, YEAH, SO HERE'S WHAT YOU GOT. SO
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  • THOSE GROUPS THAT WERE DOING POLLING, SOME OF THOSE ARE TAX
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  • EXEMPT, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
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  • BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE IRS, CHRISTY, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAD
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  • TO DEAL WITH IN THE CASE, WAS THAT THEY HAD, I MENTIONED IT
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  • EARLIER, THEY HAD THIS BE ON THE LOOK OUT LIST. SO THEY ACTUALLY,
  • 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:38.040
  • BASED ON NAMES AND, LIKE, LOGAN HAD, WHAT WAS IT, I DON'T WANT
  • 00:10:38.050 --> 00:10:40.270
  • TO GIVE THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THEY WERE
  • 00:10:40.280 --> 00:10:43.120
  • DOING, LIKE, CHILD ASSISTANCE. RIGHT? -YEAH, IT WAS VERY MUCH
  • 00:10:43.130 --> 00:10:45.230
  • LIKE AGAINST CHILD TRAFFICKING, AGAINST VIOLENCE AGAINST.
  • 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.030
  • -CHILDREN? -YEAH, CHILDREN. AND THEY GOT CAUGHT UP IN THIS
  • 00:10:49.040 --> 00:10:52.270
  • THING. -BECAUSE THEY PUT A QUOTE FROM MICHAEL REGAN OR
  • 00:10:52.280 --> 00:10:58.070
  • SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THEIR WEBSITE, SOMETHING RIDICULOUS.
  • 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:00.180
  • -AND SO THEY HAD THIS BE ON THE LOOKOUT LIST, THOUGH. I MEAN, IF
  • 00:11:00.190 --> 00:11:04.110
  • YOU CAN IMAGINE YOUR GOVERNMENT SAYING BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR
  • 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.210
  • THESE NAMES, PATRIOT, LIBERTY, FREEDOM. THOSE WERE THE KEY
  • 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:09.070
  • WORDS TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU WOULD BE SUSPECT UNDER THIS. AND THEN
  • 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.220
  • THE INTRUSION WOULD START. SO ONCE YOU WERE ON THE LIST THAT
  • 00:11:12.230 --> 00:11:15.080
  • WAS BAD ENOUGH. ONCE YOU GOT ON THE LIST THEN THE INTRUSION
  • 00:11:15.090 --> 00:11:18.070
  • STARTED. -RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW. WHAT WE KNOW IS
  • 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.170
  • THAT IT STARTED AND WE KNOW A FEW COMPONENTS OF WHAT THAT
  • 00:11:20.180 --> 00:11:23.080
  • ENTAILED. WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHAT'S CONTINUING TODAY.
  • 00:11:23.090 --> 00:11:27.020
  • -THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF. -THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:11:27.030 --> 00:11:28.280
  • WE'RE GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCOVERY
  • 00:11:28.290 --> 00:11:30.260
  • PROCESS, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS JUST THAT WE GET TO ASK
  • 00:11:30.270 --> 00:11:34.010
  • QUESTIONS, WE GET TO GET DOCUMENTS, WE GET TO DEPOSE
  • 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:36.050
  • PEOPLE. -YEAH, ACTUALLY WE'VE GOT A CALL COMING IN ON THAT
  • 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:38.270
  • RIGHT NOW. LINE 5. -ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO LINE 5. LET'S GO TO
  • 00:11:38.280 --> 00:11:41.180
  • MIKE IN CONNECTICUT. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HEY, MIKE! -HEY,
  • 00:11:41.190 --> 00:11:45.090
  • HOW'S IT GOING? -GOOD. -WHAT DOES DISCOVERY MEAN? WHAT
  • 00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:50.190
  • EXACTLY DOES THAT ENTAIL? -OKAY, SO THAT'S A GREAT
  • 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.040
  • QUESTION. SO ONCE YOU HAVE THE VICTORY, THE COURT OF APPEALS
  • 00:11:53.050 --> 00:11:55.150
  • SENDS IT BACK TO THE DISTRICT COURT AND SAY NOW YOU CAN GET
  • 00:11:55.160 --> 00:11:57.190
  • DISCOVERY. WE CAN FIND OUT WHO IMPLEMENTED POLICIES? WHAT WAS
  • 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.220
  • THE ORIGIN OF THE POLICIES? IS THIS AN ONGOING VIOLATION? YOU
  • 00:12:01.230 --> 00:12:04.230
  • DO IT THROUGH WRITTEN INTERROGATORIES, WHICH ARE
  • 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.020
  • QUESTION THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO. REQUESTS FOR THE PRODUCTION
  • 00:12:07.030 --> 00:12:09.190
  • OF DOCUMENTS; VARIOUS DOCUMENTS WE WANT FROM THE IRS. AND THEN,
  • 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.260
  • IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SOME DEPOSITIONS OF THE CURRENT E.O.
  • 00:12:12.270 --> 00:12:18.100
  • DIRECTOR, EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS DIRECTOR. -RIGHT. -AND THEN
  • 00:12:18.110 --> 00:12:20.210
  • ONE OF THE PREVIOUS ONES AS WELL, -THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY
  • 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:22.190
  • SUBMITTED A DECLARATION IN THE CASE. -YEAH, NOW WHO'S NOT ON
  • 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.060
  • THAT LIST IS LOIS LERNER UNTIL THESE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T
  • 00:12:25.070 --> 00:12:29.000
  • KNOW WHO DID THIS. LOIS LERNER WOULD BE THE PERSON WHAT WOULD
  • 00:12:29.010 --> 00:12:31.140
  • KNOW. AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR LOIS LERNER'S DEPOSTION. BUT
  • 00:12:31.150 --> 00:12:34.010
  • REMEMBER, THIS COMES ON THE HEELS OF A PRESIDENT WHO WAS IN
  • 00:12:34.020 --> 00:12:36.110
  • ABSOLUTE DENIAL THAT HIS IRS WAS DOING IT. HERE'S WHAT HE SAID TO
  • 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.220
  • BILL O'REILLY. -YOU'RE SAYING NO CORRUPTION? -NO. -NONE?
  • 00:12:39.230 --> 00:12:43.070
  • -THERE WERE SOME BONEHEAD DECISIONS. -BONEHEAD DECISIONS?
  • 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.290
  • -OUT OF A LOCAL OFFICE. -BUT NO MASS CORRUPTION? -NOT EVEN
  • 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.110
  • MASS CORRUPTION, NOT EVEN A SMIDGEON OF CORRUPTION. -2
  • 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.110
  • COURTS OF APPEALS COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH HIM. AND I THINK
  • 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.160
  • THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT HERE AT THE
  • 00:12:53.170 --> 00:12:56.010
  • BEGINNING. I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS INVOLVED IN THIS, BY THE
  • 00:12:56.020 --> 00:12:58.040
  • WAY. NOW WHETHER HE ORDERED IT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WILL
  • 00:12:58.050 --> 00:13:00.210
  • TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS THEORY, CARLY, THAT
  • 00:13:00.220 --> 00:13:02.260
  • THIS DID NOT ORIGINATE WITH LOIS LERNER; THAT THIS CAME EITHER
  • 00:13:02.270 --> 00:13:05.060
  • FROM THE CHIEF COUNSEL'S OFFICE OR SOMEONE PUT THIS TOGETHER TO
  • 00:13:05.070 --> 00:13:09.160
  • STIFLE THESE GROUPS. -YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, -AND NOW
  • 00:13:09.170 --> 00:13:12.200
  • WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT. -RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE CHANGES
  • 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:14.240
  • THAT THEY SAY THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAS
  • 00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:17.020
  • CORRECTED SOME OF THESE ERRORS IS NOW A LOT OF THIS IS HOUSED
  • 00:13:17.030 --> 00:13:20.170
  • IN WHERE? THE CHIEF COUNSEL'S OFFICE. -RIGHT. WHICH, BY THE
  • 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:23.160
  • WAY, I USED TO WORK FOR THE CHIEF COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND ONE
  • 00:13:23.170 --> 00:13:25.230
  • OF OUR CO-COUNSELS ON THE CASE, JULIAN FORTUNA, AND I WORKED IN
  • 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.270
  • THE SAME OFFICE. AND I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN I WAS THERE, WE NEVER
  • 00:13:27.280 --> 00:13:31.000
  • HAD DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS AND WE DID EXEMPT ORGS. I MEAN, WE JUST
  • 00:13:31.010 --> 00:13:33.040
  • APPLIED THE LAW, WHICH APPARENTLY IS NOT THE CASE
  • 00:13:33.050 --> 00:13:36.010
  • ANYMORE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GRAB ANOTHER PHONE CALL. LOGAN
  • 00:13:36.020 --> 00:13:38.030
  • SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO FRANK IN CALIFORNIA. -HEY,
  • 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:40.250
  • FRANK! -HEY, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? -GOOD, YOU'RE ON THE
  • 00:13:40.260 --> 00:13:44.130
  • AIR. -THANKS FOR YOUR WORK. -THANKS. -MY QUESTION IS A TWO
  • 00:13:44.140 --> 00:13:46.200
  • PART QUESTION. WE KNOW THAT ONCE WE REMOVE GOD FROM A SOCIETY, IT
  • 00:13:46.210 --> 00:13:51.110
  • OPENS THE DOOR TO SOCIALISM. AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE IRS, BY
  • 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.270
  • TARGETING THESE CONSERVATIVE AND RELIGIOUS GROUPS, DO YOU THINK
  • 00:13:55.280 --> 00:13:58.280
  • THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES IS EXACTLY THAT, TO KIND OF REMOVE
  • 00:13:58.290 --> 00:14:02.220
  • GOD AND HEAD THAT WAY? -I THINK, LOOK, A LOT OF THESE
  • 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:06.070
  • FOLKS WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE OF FAITH. I
  • 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.050
  • MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN THIS
  • 00:14:09.060 --> 00:14:11.160
  • CASE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, AND
  • 00:14:11.170 --> 00:14:13.210
  • JORDAN'S IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW, THIS WAS CLEARLY A MOVE TO
  • 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:16.230
  • CENTRALIZE POWER INSIDE THE BUREAUCRACY. AND IT WAS A MOVE
  • 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.070
  • BY THE BUREAUCRACY TO CEMENT THEIR POWER POST AN ELECTION.
  • 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.040
  • AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND. WE'RE
  • 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:26.040
  • LITIGATING THIS CASE WITH A NEW PRESIDENT AND WE'RE STILL
  • 00:14:26.050 --> 00:14:28.190
  • LITIGATING THE CASE. JORDAN SEKULOW: IT'S YEARS DOWN THE
  • 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.290
  • ROAD, BUT REMEMBER THE INITIAL IRS FOLLOW-UP TO LOIS LERNER AND
  • 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:37.070
  • THE OUTRAGE, CLEARLY THEY WERE NOT PREPARED FOR THIS. THEY
  • 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.190
  • THOUGHT THEY COULD JUST KIND OF FLOAT THIS OUT THERE AND MOVE
  • 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.270
  • ALONG. BUT THE INITIAL REACTION WAS TO TRY AND BLAME THIS ON,
  • 00:14:42.280 --> 00:14:47.070
  • BASICALLY, LINE WORKERS AT IRS REGIONAL OFFICES, SPECIFICALLY
  • 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:53.110
  • IN OHIO. AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CINCINNATI OFFICE; THAT THEY
  • 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.190
  • WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. -YEAH. -THAT ULTIMATELY HAS
  • 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.220
  • COMPLETELY FALLEN APART. -THAT WAS BOLOGNA. -BUT THE INITIAL
  • 00:14:58.230 --> 00:15:01.150
  • RESPONSE OF THE IRS WAS, OH, IT WAS NOT THE WASHINGTON D.C., IT
  • 00:15:01.160 --> 00:15:07.040
  • WAS NOT THE HEADQUARTERS STAFF. THIS WAS JUST THE REGIONAL FOLKS
  • 00:15:07.050 --> 00:15:10.010
  • WHO HAD GOTTEN THINGS WRONG. -LINE STAFF. -AND WHAT WE SAW
  • 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:12.270
  • WAS THEY GOT SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS OUT OF WASHINGTON
  • 00:15:12.280 --> 00:15:18.050
  • D.C. FROM THE IRS TO THOSE REGIONAL OFFICES ON WHAT TO DO
  • 00:15:18.060 --> 00:15:25.130
  • WITH THESE APPLICATIONS. AND MANY OF THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE
  • 00:15:25.140 --> 00:15:27.090
  • INTERVIEWED SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I MEAN, ALL
  • 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:29.200
  • THESE LONG MEMOS. -IT GOES FURTHER THAN THAT. WHEN THEY
  • 00:15:29.210 --> 00:15:32.230
  • WERE SAYING IT WAS JUST CINCINNATI, WE HAD LETTERS FROM
  • 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.160
  • ALBUQUERQUE, L.A., WASHINGTON D.C., WITH LOIS LERNER'S, CARLY,
  • 00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:39.240
  • NAME ON IT. -THAT'S RIGHT. -SO WHEN SHE'S SAYING THIS WAS LINE
  • 00:15:39.250 --> 00:15:42.020
  • EMPLOYEES, WE HAD LETTERS WITH LOIS LERNER'S SIGNATURE.
  • 00:15:42.030 --> 00:15:43.250
  • -RIGHT. AND AS JORDAN SAID, THIS DIRECTION WAS COMING
  • 00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:46.020
  • DIRECTLY FROM THE WASHINGTON D.C. OFFICE. -YES. -THE BLAME
  • 00:15:46.030 --> 00:15:48.260
  • WAS PLACED ON OTHERS AND UPTICK. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THESE
  • 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:51.290
  • THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS UPTICK.
  • 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.090
  • BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY INTENTIONAL. -SO MY QUESTION
  • 00:15:54.100 --> 00:15:57.130
  • IS, AND JORDAN, REALLY QUICKLY HERE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO TAKE
  • 00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:59.160
  • A BREAK, I THINK THIS WAS, IT'S STILL DEEP STATE IN THE SENSE
  • 00:15:59.170 --> 00:16:02.090
  • THAT THESE BUREAUCRATS ARE STILL, THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT
  • 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:04.070
  • NAMES, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE. -YES. AGAIN, IF YOU GO PAST THE
  • 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:09.230
  • IRS COMMISSIONER, WHO WAS THE 3RD ONE DOWN FROM THE OBAMA
  • 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:14.040
  • ADMINISTRATION, BUT FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND THE
  • 00:16:14.050 --> 00:16:17.160
  • FOLKS WHO WERE UNDERNEATH LOIS LERNER AND A COUPLE OF HER
  • 00:16:17.170 --> 00:16:20.180
  • DEPUTIES, IT'S THE SAME IRS THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH FROM THE TOP
  • 00:16:20.190 --> 00:16:24.220
  • DOWN. -ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD DISCUSSING THE CASE
  • 00:16:24.230 --> 00:16:27.190
  • AND THE IMPLICATIONS AND THE POLITICS OF THE IRS WHEN WE COME
  • 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.290
  • BACK.
  • 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:31.250
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:16:31.260 --> 00:16:37.240
  • JAY SEKULOW: A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:16:37.250 --> 00:16:38.220
  • ARE USED TO SEEING OUR BAND PLAY MUSIC.
  • 00:16:38.230 --> 00:16:40.220
  • WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A SONG FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. WE DID THIS FOR
  • 00:16:40.230 --> 00:16:42.280
  • TAX DAY. EVERYBODY DOES TAXMAN, SO WE DID THIS SONG
  • 00:16:42.290 --> 00:16:45.210
  • CALLED GIVE A LITTLE BIT. HERE IT IS:
  • 00:16:45.220 --> 00:16:49.060
  • [MUSIC]
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  • YEAH, YEAH, YEAH
  • 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:52.180
  • YEAH, YEAH, YEAH
  • 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:55.180
  • AH, AH, AH, AH
  • 00:16:55.190 --> 00:17:00.180
  • AH, AH, AH, AH
  • 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:05.220
  • AH, AH, AH, AH
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:11.070
  • GIVE A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:13.210
  • GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR LOVE TO ME
  • 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:21.150
  • GIVE A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.020
  • GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF MY LIFE FOR YOU
  • 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:31.250
  • NOW'S THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO SHARE
  • 00:17:31.260 --> 00:17:35.220
  • SO FIND YOURSELF,
  • 00:17:35.230 --> 00:17:38.090
  • WE'RE ON OUR WAY BACK HOME
  • 00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:42.020
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.270
  • OH, GOING HOME
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  • AH, AH, AH, AH
  • 00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:49.230
  • DON'T YOU NEED, DON'T YOU NEED TO FEEL AT HOME
  • 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.210
  • AH, AH, AH, AH
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  • OH, YEAH, WE GOTTA SEE
  • 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.120
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:57.130 --> 00:18:02.160
  • JAY SEKULOW: SO LET ME PLAY FOR EVERYBODY, THIS WAS
  • 00:18:02.170 --> 00:18:03.290
  • LOIS LERNER, SO YOU KNOW, SHE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF TAX EXEMPT
  • 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.080
  • FOR THE IRS. SHE'D BEEN IN, THE WORKED FOR THE FEC, SHE WANTED
  • 00:18:07.090 --> 00:18:10.130
  • TO WORK FOR THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, SHE WAS A SENIOR PERSON, BUT
  • 00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:16.050
  • WHAT I WOULD CALL MID-LEVEL' SENIOR PERSON. SHE WAS IN CHARGE
  • 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:18.100
  • OF TAX EXEMPT. AND THIS WAS A COORDINATED EFFORT BY MULTIPLE
  • 00:18:18.110 --> 00:18:21.050
  • AGENCIES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO, IN FACT, AT ONE
  • 00:18:21.060 --> 00:18:23.290
  • POINT THEY SAID MAYBE WE CREATE AN EMAIL. THEY SAID MAYBE WE CAN
  • 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.100
  • PIECE TOGETHER A CRIMINAL CASE ON ONE OF THESE CLIENTS. NO
  • 00:18:26.110 --> 00:18:28.280
  • EVIDENCE, BY THE WAY, OF ANY CRIMINAL CONDUCT. JUST SO WE CAN
  • 00:18:28.290 --> 00:18:31.130
  • SCARE THEM. THIS IS WHAT'S COMING FROM THE IRS. THEN SHE
  • 00:18:31.140 --> 00:18:34.070
  • GETS CAUGHT. AND AT AN ABA CONFERENCE, THIS IS HER FAUX
  • 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:38.200
  • FAKE APOLOGY. THIS WAS MAY 10TH, 2013, SO ABOUT, ALMOST 4 YEARS
  • 00:18:38.210 --> 00:18:43.240
  • AGO. LOIS LERNER: THEY USED NAMES LIKE TEA PARTY OR PATRIOTS
  • 00:18:43.250 --> 00:18:48.010
  • AND THEY SELECTED CASES SIMPLY BECAUSE THE APPLICATION HAD
  • 00:18:48.020 --> 00:18:51.070
  • THOSE NAMES IN THE TITLE. THAT WAS WRONG. THE IRS WOULD LIKE TO
  • 00:18:51.080 --> 00:18:55.200
  • APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. -FIRST OF ALL, WHAT A FALSE STATEMENT. IT
  • 00:18:55.210 --> 00:19:00.270
  • WASN'T JUST WRONG. IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORILY
  • 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:03.040
  • WRONG. THE APOLOGY WAS, CAN YOU IMAGINE YOU WALK INTO THE IRS
  • 00:19:03.050 --> 00:19:05.290
  • FOR AN AUDIT AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PAPERWORK AND YOU SAY, OH,
  • 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.160
  • I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LET YOU OFF THE
  • 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:10.150
  • HOOK? WE DIDN'T. SO WE FILED A CASE IN FEDERAL COURT. A BIG
  • 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.190
  • ONE. AND IN THE NEXT SEGMENT OF THE BROADCAST WE'RE GOING TO GET
  • 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.220
  • INTO THAT AND WE WON AT THE COURT OF APPEALS AND NOW WE'RE
  • 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:17.270
  • GETTING DISCOVERY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT SOME
  • 00:19:17.280 --> 00:19:20.020
  • INTERESTING SIDE NOTES ABOUT LOIS LERNER. BUT AS I SAID, THE
  • 00:19:20.030 --> 00:19:22.000
  • IDEA THAT THESE CLUBS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THE AFTER
  • 00:19:22.010 --> 00:19:25.130
  • SATAN CLUB, JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT, THEY WERE APPROVED IN
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:28.060
  • 10 DAYS BY THE SAME INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE. SO IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:19:28.070 --> 00:19:32.010
  • THINK THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD THERE, GUESS AGAIN. THERE IS. SO
  • 00:19:32.020 --> 00:19:35.010
  • HOW DO YOU HOLD THESE BUREAUCRACIES ACCOUNTABLE?
  • 00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:36.280
  • YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT BACK. AND IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE
  • 00:19:36.290 --> 00:19:38.250
  • FIGHTING BACK IN FEDERAL COURT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A
  • 00:19:38.260 --> 00:19:40.230
  • COMMENT OR A CALL. LOGAN SEKULOW: LET'S GO TO MIKE, WHO'S
  • 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.060
  • CALLING IN WASHINGTON ON LINE 6. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HEY, MIKE.
  • 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:44.250
  • GO AHEAD. -HI, GUYS! HEY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEBODY
  • 00:19:44.260 --> 00:19:50.080
  • THAT IS A PUBLIC SERVANT CAN REFUSE TO BE FORTHCOMING WITH
  • 00:19:50.090 --> 00:19:57.240
  • PUBLIC INFORMATION OR TRY TO SEAL DOCUMENTS. I MEAN, THAT'S
  • 00:19:57.250 --> 00:20:01.070
  • OUR INFORMATION. -RIGHT, WELL, LOOK, SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE
  • 00:20:01.080 --> 00:20:04.110
  • THE 5TH AMENDMENT PRIVILEGES. ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN WOULD. SO
  • 00:20:04.120 --> 00:20:07.090
  • THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL. BUT AGAIN, IN A CIVIL CASE, THERE WOULD BE
  • 00:20:07.100 --> 00:20:09.160
  • DIFFERENT CONSEQUENCES. BUT THE SEALING OF THE DEPOSITION,
  • 00:20:09.170 --> 00:20:12.030
  • CARLY, IS UNUSUAL. CARLY GAMMILL: IT'S EXTREMELY UNUSUAL.
  • 00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:14.240
  • I MEAN, -OR REQUESTING IT BE SEALED. -YEAH, AND THE BASIS
  • 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:17.090
  • FOR IT, I MEAN, SHE SAID THAT SHE'S HAD THREATS. YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:17.100 --> 00:20:21.110
  • OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH WHAT SHE'S DONE AND HER ENTIRE
  • 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:24.130
  • TACT NOW IS TO PROTECT THAT FROM THE PUBLIC. -YEAH, BUT JORDAN,
  • 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:28.170
  • YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION, I MEAN, I SERVED IN CHIEF
  • 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:31.050
  • COUNSEL'S OFFICE OF THE IRS, AND WE DID TAX EXEMPT IN OUR OFFICE
  • 00:20:31.060 --> 00:20:33.220
  • AND I WAS IN THE SOUTHEAST REGIONAL OFFICE, AND I WAS A
  • 00:20:33.230 --> 00:20:36.270
  • TRIAL LAWYER. BUT THE FACT IS, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE
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  • GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. SO YES, THEY CAN TAKE A 5TH
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  • AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO THOSE DOCUMENTS AND
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  • WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM. JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, ULTIMATELY, THE
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  • IDEA THAT THIS IS NOT TOP NATIONAL SECURITY, -RIGHT.
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  • -THESE ARE IRS APPLICATIONS. THAT THE GROUPS ARE SAYING WE'RE
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  • OKAY, THEY LOVE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RELEASE
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  • THIS INFORMATION. AND THE GROUPS ARE SAYING, NO, YOU CAN RELEASE
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  • THIS INFORMATION; WE'RE REQUESTING THIS. SO THEY'RE
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  • WAVING THAT. AND AGAIN, THE IRS FIGHTING ANY LOOK INTO HOW THE
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  • BUREAUCRACY ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS. -YES. -AND UNFORTUNATELY, I
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  • THINK, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN THINK THAT THESE AGENCIES SOMETIMES
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  • ARE SO LARGE AND SO OUT OF CONTROL THAT THEY DON'T REALLY
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  • FUNCTION AND THAT YOU KIND OF SUBMIT PAPERWORK AND WHAT GETS
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  • FLAGGED AND WHAT DOESN'T, THAT MAY BE THE CASE FOR 99%, BUT
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  • WHEN THEY DO WANT TO FOCUS IN ON A GROUP, AND THEY DO WANT TO
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  • TARGET A GROUP, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO
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  • ACTUALLY FUNCTION AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. -YEP! -BECAUSE THAT'S
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  • WHERE THEIR FOCUS IS. IT WASN'T ON THE SATANIC CLUBS. IT WAS ON
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  • THE CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS. -NO! THEY GOT APPROVED IN 10
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  • DAYS. [CHUCKLES] THOSE GROUPS GET APPROVED IN 10 DAYS. OURS
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  • TAKES 10 YEARS. YEAH, OURS TAKES 10 YEAS, THEIRS TAKES 10 DAYS.
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  • GO AHEAD, CARLY. -I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT UNDERSCORES THE
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  • IMPORTANT POINT HERE THAT LOIS LERNER IS ASKING THAT HER
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  • DEPOSITION BE SEALED. -YEP! -SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE FACT
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  • THAT SHE'S RECEIVED THREATS. WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT SHE'S
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  • GOING TO SAY THAT SHE THINKS IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS?
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  • -WELL, EXACTLY! I MEAN, THIS IS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I
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  • DON'T, WHETHER SHE RECEIVES THREATS OR NOT I HAVE NO IDEA,
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  • BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THIS IS NOT DISCOVERY BY AMBUSH HERE.
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  • OKAY? THE WAY YOU DO THIS IS YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS AND YOU GET AN
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  • ANSWER. AND THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO HAVE THIS THING PUT UNDER
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  • SEAL. THAT WOULD BE ABSURD. ALRIGHT, LOGAN, LET'S GRAB
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  • ANOTHER CALL HERE. -ALRIGHT, REBECCA IN TEXAS. LINE ONE.
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  • -HI, REBECCA! GO AHEAD. -YES, MY QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU THINK
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  • THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL START FIRING THE BUREAUCRATS WITHIN
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  • THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES? -WELL, SO FOR KOSKINEN, THE
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  • COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, JORDAN, YOU SAID HIS
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  • TERM ENDS IN NOVEMBER, SO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO LET THAT
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  • JUST PLAY OUT OVER THE NEXT 6 MONTHS? -POTENTIALLY. I THINK,
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  • FIRST, YOU HAD THE IDEA THAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS GOING TO
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  • BE REPEALED. THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF TAXES AND IRS DECISIONS AND
  • 00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:45.210
  • AGENCY MEMOS AND RULES. -RIGHT. -AND SO IF THAT WAS REPEALED,
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  • YOU MAY NOT WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT THEN. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
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  • THEN YOU GOT TO TAX DAY TODAY, SO MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO ROCK
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  • THE BOAT THEN. AND THE BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT TAX REFORM. SO
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  • I THINK THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, HEY, WE MAY BE DOING ALL THIS IN
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  • THE FIRST FEW MONTHS, JUST LET THIS KIND OF PLAY OUT. -YEAH.
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  • -KEEP IT AS STEADY AS POSSIBLE THERE. NOW THAT THAT'S NOT
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  • OCCURRING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF OBAMA CARE WILL BE
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  • REPEALED. WE DON'T BELIEVE TAX POLICY WILL BE FUNDAMENTALLY
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  • CHANGED BY THE END OF THIS SUMMER ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE
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  • TREASURY SECRETARY'S OWN WORDS AND COMMENTS, THAT HIS TERM IS
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  • OVER IN NOVEMBER, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT IT'S
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  • DIFFERENT THAN THE BUREAUCRACY. HE GOES AUTOMATICALLY. -YEP.
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  • -THE REST OF THOSE BUREAUCRATS DON'T. YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO
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  • IN THERE FOR CAUSE AND GET RID OF THEM. AND THAT'S A MULTI-YEAR
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  • PROCESS IF YOU DECIDE TO TAKE IT ON. -AND THAT'S WHY THE
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  • LITIGATION IS SO IMPORTANT HERE AND THAT'S WHY THE DISCOVERY IS
  • 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:37.160
  • SO IMPORTANT; SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHO AUTHORIZED IT, IS IT
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  • ONGOING, AND AS CARLY SAID, WHAT ELSE ARE THEY HIDING? WHAT
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  • OTHER, WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE STORY, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME
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  • GOOD NEWS HERE. AND GOOD RESULTS IN COURT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ALL
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  • OF IT. I MEAN, THERE'S NO QUESTION WE DO NOT KNOW ALL OF
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  • IT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THE IDEA AS THIS CASE MOVES FORWARD.
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  • THAT'S GOING TO DO IT FOR THE BROADCAST TODAY. EACH AND EVERY
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  • WEEK WE COME TO YOU ON THE TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK AND
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  • WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THIS AIRTIME BECAUSE OF YOUR SUPPORT
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  • OF TBN. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT AT TBN, AT TBN.ORG, AND
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  • ALSO PRAY FOR OUR TEAMS HERE AT THE ACLJ AND AROUND THE WORLD.
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  • WE'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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