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December 2, 2016
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Episode 4

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  • - Tim Douglass:
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  • Hi, I'm Tim Douglass.
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  • - Emma Mullings:
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  • And I'm Emma Mullings.
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  • - Tim: And this is your
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  • backstage pass to all the things
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  • happening this week.
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  • - Emma: Welcome to
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  • - Aodhan King: You put a hat on
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  • and then you hammer it out.
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  • - Renee Sieff: You can do them
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  • at the same time.
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  • - Steven Furtick:
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  • I like country preachers, man.
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  • I heard one country preacher say
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  • one time, "If you hadn't had a
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  • head-on collision with the devil
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  • lately, you might be headed
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  • - Joel Houston: What song were
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  • we doing again?
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  • - male: 'Cause it was, like,
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  • late afternoon, the sun was
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  • smashing us in the face, so we
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  • were all wearing sunglasses
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  • - Terry Crist: The kind of
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  • story you're about to share with
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  • us is not one that many people
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  • in the Western world are that
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  • familiar with.
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  • You had an arranged marriage.
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  • - Biju Thampy: That's right.
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  • That's right.
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  • - Emma: Welcome back to
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  • "Hillsong Conference Live."
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  • It's been amazing so far.
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  • Twenty-eight thousand people
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  • here at the arena.
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  • Let's check in at
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  • the Foyer Studio,
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  • - Terry: Thanks, Emma.
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  • As you can see, we have a stream
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  • of delegates that are flowing in
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  • around us, getting ready for
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  • a session.
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  • And we were able to snag from
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  • the crowd a couple of
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  • the members of Young & Free, and
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  • we're super excited about this.
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  • Young & Free happens to be
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  • the up and coming youth musical
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  • expression of the sound of
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  • Hillsong Church.
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  • And the beauty about what's
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  • happened in our world over
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  • the years is that music has just
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  • continued from generation to
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  • generation, and now there's a
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  • new scene of really cool,
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  • Jesus-loving, fully engaged
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  • in local church building,
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  • worship leaders.
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  • So, these are two of them,
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  • Aodhan and Renee.
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  • - Niyah: Good to see you.
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  • Good to have you guys!
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  • - Aodhan: It's so good to be
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  • here.
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  • This is awesome.
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  • - Terry: You're dressed for
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  • the occasion.
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  • - Niyah: Yeah you did!
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  • - Aodhan: Yeah, I mean,
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  • a little daggy.
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  • We're straight out of rehearsal,
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  • so.
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  • - Niyah: That's all right.
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  • Well, you got the swagger going
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  • because you got the--
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  • - Renee: I'm repping the merch.
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  • This is the new
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  • Young & Free merch, so, yeah.
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  • - Niyah: Show us the back.
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  • You got something going on
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  • in the back?
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  • - Renee: Yeah.
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  • - Niyah: Yes, there we go.
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  • - Renee: I dropped the pillow.
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  • - Terry: That's fantastic.
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  • Is there, like, an age,
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  • you know?
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  • I know sizes are found on the
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  • back of labels, but is there,
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  • like, a, "Do not wear this
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  • over--"
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  • - Niyah: Can he wear
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  • the Young & Free or--
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  • - Aodhan: It kinda stops at,
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  • like, 25.
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  • - Terry: Awww.
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  • - Aodhan: I'm joking.
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  • - Niyah: I tried to get you in.
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  • I tried to get you in.
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  • - Terry: Of course,
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  • "Youth Revival" is the brand
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  • new album.
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  • We still call 'em albums?
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  • - Aodhan: We still call 'em
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  • albums.
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  • - Terry: I'm so confused.
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  • - Aodhan: Records are
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  • the cool--people say, like,
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  • cool people.
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  • - Niyah: Are they still on CD?
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  • Can I get it on an 8-track?
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  • What are we--
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  • - Aodhan: Not an 8-track,
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  • a CD though.
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  • - Terry: CD, MP3.
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  • - Aodhan: What's an 8-track?
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  • - Niyah: What's an 8-track?
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  • - Terry: Oh my God.
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  • - Niyah: We're old school.
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  • - Terry: We do not have enough
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  • time in the show to describe
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  • an 8-track.
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  • But "Youth Revival," the brand
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  • new album that came out,
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  • how long's it been out now?
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  • Just a little while,
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  • and just blowing up everywhere.
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  • - Aodhan: Couple of months,
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  • February.
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  • - Terry: Talk about it.
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  • - Aodhan: So, we did our last
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  • album 2-3 years ago,
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  • and so we had, like,
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  • this whole 2-year break.
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  • And so, we started writing and
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  • everything, and then last
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  • November, in 2015, we recorded
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  • a live album.
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  • So, like, we got all our
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  • youth ministry from Sydney
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  • around and they all bussed into
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  • this one location in the city,
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  • and it was, like, overflowing.
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  • - Niyah: I saw video of that,
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  • and it looked crazy.
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  • I absolutely--this is amazing.
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  • But in a setting like that,
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  • do you get excited?
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  • I mean, like, do you get
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  • nervous, rather?
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  • - Aodhan: There's definitely
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  • nerves, 'cause, like, you want
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  • this to be amazing and you want
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  • the presence of God to be there.
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  • And you know it will be,
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  • but you always just, like,
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  • "God, like, we wanna see
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  • something new.
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  • We wanna see something fresh
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  • and something new."
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  • And so, that was the pressure
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  • of that was always there.
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  • But it was so much fun.
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  • Like, there were so many people
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  • crammed in there,
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  • jumping around,
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  • having the best time that there
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  • was literally sweat dripping
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  • from the roof.
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  • Like, the room was so thick
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  • with, like, perspiration.
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  • It was amazing.
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  • - Terry: You have to be young
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  • to find that as a great value.
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  • I'll tell you what I love.
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  • I love the fact that,
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  • as you said, the sound is young,
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  • it's fresh,
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  • and yet it's timeless,
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  • because God's presence makes it
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  • broad enough that it appeals
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  • to generations.
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  • We actually have people in our
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  • church there in Phoenix,
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  • Hillsong Phoenix, and we have
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  • people in their 80s who love
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  • the Young & Free music as much
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  • as they love any Hillsong music.
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  • - Aodhan: That's the best.
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  • - Terry: I think the album
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  • should come with dance moves,
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  • you know, like--
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  • - Renee: Oh, we've got some.
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  • - Niyah: You could do, like,
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  • a game, a video game that shows
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  • us the dance moves and
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  • everything.
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  • - Renee: Okay.
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  • - Aodhan: But we kinda do have
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  • those dance moves.
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  • - Renee: Yeah, we do, we do.
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  • - Niyah: Show us a step.
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  • - Renee: Aodhan really wants
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  • to do it with me.
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  • Okay, come on.
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  • - Terry: What is this?
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  • What song is this?
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  • - Aodhan: "Real Love," it's,
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  • like, the one that's like,
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  • you put a hat on, and then you
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  • hammer it out.
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  • - Renee: You have to do it with
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  • us, come on.
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  • - Aodhan: So, it's like,
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  • you put your hat on,
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  • put your hammer it out
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  • like that, so it's a pap hammer,
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  • pap it.
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  • So, like, in the, "Ooooh."
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  • - Terry: Ooooh.
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  • - Aodhan: This is real love.
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  • That's that one.
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  • - Niyah: I like it, yeah.
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  • - Aodhan: And then there's
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  • the other one that's like--
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  • - Terry: Do you have to pull
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  • your skinny jeans down at some
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  • point or does that matter?
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  • - Aodhan: Yeah, yeah.
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  • It's like a little restricted.
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  • And then the other one is,
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  • "I'm falling into you."
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  • - Renee: Yeah, see,
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  • and then you just cross.
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  • - Niyah: Okay, the heels may
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  • not do all of that, but yeah,
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  • I got you.
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  • - Terry: I'll stick with this.
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  • - Aodhan: Yeah, that's pretty
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  • easy, yeah.
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  • - Renee: You can do 'em at
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  • the same time if you want, yeah.
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  • Unbelievable.
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  • - Niyah: I'm gonna let him do
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  • all the dance moves today.
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  • You got all of that.
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  • Have you always wanted to be,
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  • like, singers, you know, in
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  • a worship band, writing songs?
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  • Is that something, like, since
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  • a child that you wanted to do,
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  • or just kinda like,
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  • "Okay, God, wow, I'll do it."
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  • - Renee: Yeah, I'm gonna say
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  • yes, like, straight out.
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  • Like, there's definitely other
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  • dreams that I've had,
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  • but with my foundation
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  • in my life, I've always wanted
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  • to serve Jesus.
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  • And I remember
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  • at Hillsong Conference actually,
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  • in Kidsong, when I used to come
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  • to Kidsong, there was a band
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  • called RockFish ages ago.
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  • And they were awesome,
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  • and I would come back every
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  • single year to hear them play.
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  • And they would sing songs about
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  • Jonah, and throwing the fish
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  • over the water, and other stuff,
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  • and I was like, "That's what
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  • I wanna do.
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  • I wanna just be able to, like,
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  • sing songs like the way they do
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  • it, dance they way they do it."
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  • And who knew that, like, I don't
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  • know, how many years later?
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  • Twelve years later or whatever,
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  • I'm doing this now.
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  • - Terry: Church kids are
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  • the best.
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  • - Niyah: I have to ask them
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  • one last question.
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  • I'm sorry, I'm just grabbing
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  • this.
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  • Okay, but tell us, okay, why?
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  • Why do you do it?
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  • You know what I'm saying?
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  • Why new album?
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  • Why, you know, so passion is
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  • this "Youth Revival"?
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  • It's like a youth movement.
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  • - Aodhan: I think we just get
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  • excited about, like,
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  • young people, like,
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  • finding their purpose,
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  • and their identity, and finding
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  • Jesus ultimately.
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  • And I think, like, that's what
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  • stirs us to write the songs,
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  • like, stirs us to do new music,
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  • to try new things, to take
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  • risks, 'cause we know that
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  • there's still people out there
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  • that need to hear about Jesus.
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  • And so, that's why we do what we
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  • do, I guess.
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  • - Renee: Yeah, it's like when
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  • you see a new movie for
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  • the first time, it's the best
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  • movie you've ever seen in
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  • the world.
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  • And as soon as you get out of
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  • the cinema, you tell every
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  • single person about that movie
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  • and you're like,
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  • "You have to see this.
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  • You have to watch it.
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  • I'll watch it again, and again,
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  • and again, and again with you.
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  • I'll go see it with you if you
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  • want to."
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  • Like, that's how it is.
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  • It's that same excitement.
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  • When you've seen something, when
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  • you know something's this good,
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  • you can't help but to share it.
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  • I think that's why we do it.
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  • - Terry: Well, thank you, guys.
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  • It's been fantastic to have you
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  • here today.
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  • And if my co-host Niyah doesn't
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  • have any more questions.
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  • - Niyah: I'm gonna ask you
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  • in the back.
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  • - female announcer: Up next.
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  • - Steven: Back in the day,
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  • my word was "audacious."
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  • I was all about audacious faith.
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  • Maybe I'll tell you a
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  • - Emma: Now, last night we
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  • were joined by
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  • Steven and Holly Furtick
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  • - Emma: Hello, guys.
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  • How you going?
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  • - Steven: Hello, Emma.
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  • Hello, Tim, thank you.
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  • - Emma: Thank you so much for
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  • coming and having a chat with us
  • 00:08:08.230 --> 00:08:10.000
  • today.
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  • Tell us, first of all, about
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  • Elevation Church.
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  • - Steven: Elevation Church is
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  • about 10 years old.
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  • Holly and I moved to
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  • Charlotte, North Carolina in
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  • the Southeastern United States
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  • with 7 other families just
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  • over 10 years ago to
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  • start the church,
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  • and it's been a crazy ride,
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  • you know?
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  • I had a vision to start
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  • the church since I was 16.
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  • - Emma: Wow.
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  • - Steven: Yeah. kinda, like,
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  • as a young kid, I had a sense,
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  • "This is what I'm gonna do with
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  • my life."
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  • And one day after we'd been
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  • married a couple years, I was
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  • speaking at a little youth camp,
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  • and we were back in our room,
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  • and you remember,
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  • you looked at me and you said--
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  • - Holly Furtick: It's time.
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  • - Steven: "It's time to go
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  • start the church God put in
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  • your heart."
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  • It's been an awesome 10 years.
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  • - Emma: Amazing.
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  • And Holly, did you have to get
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  • that vision for yourself,
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  • or you always had it?
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  • - Holly: We've been together
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  • for so long, and so many times
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  • I'd heard him cast a vision for
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  • another ministry or different
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  • things that we were involved in,
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  • and then see God do through him
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  • exactly what he had said.
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  • And so, I think just when
  • 00:09:07.160 --> 00:09:08.270
  • he said he felt like he was
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  • called to start a church, then
  • 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.010
  • it was exciting to me, because--
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  • - Steven: She believes in her
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  • man.
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  • - Holly: I'd seen God work
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  • through him so many times
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  • before.
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  • It wasn't a question,
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  • it was exciting.
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  • - Steven: Thank you.
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  • - Holly: You're welcome.
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  • - Tim: So, in that 10 years,
  • 00:09:22.230 --> 00:09:24.000
  • highlights?
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  • Like, there's obviously been
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  • amazing times.
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  • Any particular moments that
  • 00:09:26.180 --> 00:09:27.170
  • stick out?
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  • - Steven: Back in the day,
  • 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:28.290
  • my word was "audacious."
  • 00:09:28.290 --> 00:09:30.080
  • I was all about audacious faith.
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  • Maybe I'll tell you a little
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  • story.
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  • We had had what we called
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  • the Elevation Egg Drop.
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  • We dropped, I don't know,
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  • 30.000 plastic eggs from
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  • a helicopter, and this took our
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  • entire bank account to do it.
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  • Our church was only
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  • 2 months old,
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  • but it was an Easter outreach,
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  • gave away prizes.
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  • We did this event and
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  • over 2.000 people came out.
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  • And our church was only
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  • 200 people at the time,
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  • you know?
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  • We were just getting started.
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  • And I stood up in front of
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  • the church the next day
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  • on Easter Sunday, and 200 people
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  • are there, and I said,
  • 00:09:56.280 --> 00:09:58.050
  • "What are you gonna do when we
  • 00:09:58.050 --> 00:09:59.230
  • have 2.000 people showing up
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  • every week?"
  • 00:10:02.020 --> 00:10:03.030
  • And it was crickets.
  • 00:10:03.030 --> 00:10:03.270
  • I still have the audio when
  • 00:10:03.270 --> 00:10:04.220
  • I said it.
  • 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:05.130
  • Nobody clapped, cheered,
  • 00:10:05.130 --> 00:10:07.060
  • no amen, no faith.
  • 00:10:07.060 --> 00:10:09.050
  • But you know, the next Easter,
  • 00:10:09.050 --> 00:10:11.090
  • we had over 2.000 people.
  • 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:13.140
  • And just to see times like that.
  • 00:10:13.140 --> 00:10:15.130
  • We set a goal to have
  • 00:10:15.130 --> 00:10:16.230
  • 10.000 people by 2010.
  • 00:10:16.230 --> 00:10:18.280
  • It's not all about the numbers,
  • 00:10:18.280 --> 00:10:20.200
  • but for us, those benchmarks of
  • 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.200
  • how many people we could reach,
  • 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.220
  • because every number represents
  • 00:10:23.220 --> 00:10:25.020
  • a life, different things along
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  • the way to see God exceed our
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  • expectations and to see his
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  • faithfulness.
  • 00:10:29.280 --> 00:10:31.020
  • One time, it was a building that
  • 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:32.250
  • we were told we couldn't occupy,
  • 00:10:32.250 --> 00:10:35.200
  • and I remember we would drive by
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  • and stretch our hand toward it
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  • and pray for it every time we
  • 00:10:38.190 --> 00:10:39.160
  • drove by it.
  • 00:10:39.160 --> 00:10:40.010
  • - Holly: I'd be talking and he
  • 00:10:40.010 --> 00:10:41.160
  • would shush me so that--because
  • 00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:44.080
  • every time we drove by, we had
  • 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.190
  • to pray over this building.
  • 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:48.040
  • - Steven: And you know, that
  • 00:10:48.040 --> 00:10:48.240
  • building that we couldn't meet
  • 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:49.260
  • in is now our headquarters for
  • 00:10:49.260 --> 00:10:51.170
  • our ministry.
  • 00:10:51.170 --> 00:10:52.170
  • - Emma: Amazing.
  • 00:10:52.170 --> 00:10:53.080
  • - Steven: So, it's those time
  • 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:53.290
  • where it comes full circle and
  • 00:10:53.290 --> 00:10:55.000
  • you see something that God
  • 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:55.290
  • spoke, whether it's a goal or in
  • 00:10:55.290 --> 00:10:57.290
  • someone's life that you
  • 00:10:57.290 --> 00:10:58.270
  • believed in.
  • 00:10:58.270 --> 00:11:00.080
  • And seeing those things come to
  • 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:01.000
  • pass, man, that's what motivates
  • 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.040
  • me to do it.
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  • That's my why.
  • 00:11:03.270 --> 00:11:05.050
  • - Emma: And Holly, you have a
  • 00:11:05.050 --> 00:11:07.000
  • massive job.
  • 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.170
  • You've got three kids and you
  • 00:11:08.170 --> 00:11:10.230
  • also preach the Word as well.
  • 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:12.250
  • You do a lot of phenomenal
  • 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:13.200
  • things as part of the ministry.
  • 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.040
  • Tell us, what have been some
  • 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:16.080
  • of the challenges for you
  • 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.250
  • in that role, and how have you
  • 00:11:17.250 --> 00:11:19.280
  • overcome them?
  • 00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:20.280
  • - Holly: Probably the biggest
  • 00:11:20.280 --> 00:11:21.230
  • challenge was just being
  • 00:11:21.230 --> 00:11:23.120
  • comfortable with being myself
  • 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.060
  • and learning that I don't need
  • 00:11:25.060 --> 00:11:26.240
  • to be somebody else.
  • 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.060
  • I don't need to look like
  • 00:11:28.060 --> 00:11:29.270
  • someone else, talk like someone
  • 00:11:29.270 --> 00:11:31.050
  • else, preach like someone else,
  • 00:11:31.050 --> 00:11:32.220
  • but that God picked me just
  • 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:35.210
  • the way that I am and he wants
  • 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:37.060
  • to use me the way that he made
  • 00:11:37.060 --> 00:11:37.280
  • me.
  • 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:38.280
  • 'Cause you know, when we started
  • 00:11:38.280 --> 00:11:39.200
  • the church, we were so young.
  • 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.060
  • I think everyone on our team
  • 00:11:41.060 --> 00:11:42.130
  • that started the church with us
  • 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:43.090
  • was older than us.
  • 00:11:43.090 --> 00:11:44.130
  • And just being able to step into
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:45.190
  • that role with confidence has
  • 00:11:45.190 --> 00:11:47.180
  • been a journey for me,
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  • but a great one.
  • 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.060
  • - Emma: Amazing.
  • 00:11:51.060 --> 00:11:52.000
  • So, what do you think would be
  • 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.070
  • some of your main tips, I guess,
  • 00:11:54.070 --> 00:11:55.290
  • when it comes to ministry,
  • 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:58.000
  • and kids, and family,
  • 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.280
  • and ensuring the kids--
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  • - Steven: Well, our kids are
  • 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:02.020
  • young, so any advice we would
  • 00:12:02.020 --> 00:12:03.160
  • give, I like to say that our
  • 00:12:03.160 --> 00:12:05.220
  • lab rats haven't made it out of
  • 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:07.080
  • the laboratory alive yet.
  • 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.120
  • So, we're not writing our
  • 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.140
  • parenting book.
  • 00:12:10.140 --> 00:12:12.030
  • But, I mean, the approach that
  • 00:12:12.030 --> 00:12:13.010
  • we're trying to take, we've seen
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:14.150
  • it in great ministries like
  • 00:12:14.150 --> 00:12:15.170
  • Hillsong, you know,
  • 00:12:15.170 --> 00:12:16.240
  • the integration model,
  • 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.080
  • and to play to the advantages
  • 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:19.150
  • of being in ministry and to help
  • 00:12:19.150 --> 00:12:22.070
  • our kids see it as a blessing.
  • 00:12:22.070 --> 00:12:23.120
  • So, that could be anything,
  • 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:24.110
  • you know?
  • 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:25.080
  • I'm trying right now that when
  • 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:26.210
  • people walk up to us in public
  • 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:28.040
  • that our kids don't see it as an
  • 00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:30.160
  • interruption all the time,
  • 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:31.270
  • but they see, like, hey,
  • 00:12:31.270 --> 00:12:33.170
  • we came and asked God to give us
  • 00:12:33.170 --> 00:12:35.100
  • influence with people
  • 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:36.260
  • and it's cool to touch people's
  • 00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:37.240
  • lives.
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  • 'Cause you know,
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  • our kids are 10, 8, 5.
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  • I'm trying to get them to
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  • understand, like, this is what
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  • we prayed for.
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  • This is what we do.
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  • So, that would be our mantra,
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  • "This is what we do."
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  • And just to talk about things,
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  • and be open, and laugh at
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  • funny stuff, and make fun of
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  • the stuff that needs to be made
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  • fun of, and enjoy the stuff we
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  • have to enjoy, yeah.
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  • - Holly: Using certain phrases,
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  • like, "We get to,"
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  • not "We have to."
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  • You know,
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  • "We get to go to church today,"
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  • not
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  • "We have to go to church today."
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  • And just sometimes it's all
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  • in the way you phrase it.
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  • - Steven: Keeping lots of candy
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  • in the green room so that they
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  • have a positive mental
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  • association with church.
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  • - Holly: Candy, church.
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  • - Tim: Do you get a sense of
  • 00:13:10.290 --> 00:13:11.170
  • maybe what the next 10 years
  • 00:13:11.170 --> 00:13:12.180
  • is gonna look like for
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  • Elevation Church, and family,
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  • and ministry?
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  • - Steven: Yeah, I think we have
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  • to continue to not necessarily
  • 00:13:18.260 --> 00:13:21.260
  • recreate was has been, but
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  • to do what we've said before,
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  • ministry out of imagination.
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  • For us, I think the danger right
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  • now is to get into a sort of
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  • maintenance mode.
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  • I was just having a meeting with
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  • our team the other day.
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  • We were talking about those
  • 00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:35.180
  • old days, you know?
  • 00:13:35.180 --> 00:13:37.050
  • It's funny, we're only 10 years
  • 00:13:37.050 --> 00:13:38.000
  • in, and we're young, but we're
  • 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:39.170
  • talking about the old days.
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  • 'Cause really,
  • 00:13:40.270 --> 00:13:42.020
  • in the early days,
  • 00:13:42.020 --> 00:13:43.160
  • there was an extreme,
  • 00:13:43.160 --> 00:13:44.240
  • drastic approach, whether we
  • 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.070
  • were running out of room in
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  • a service and we need to start
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  • another service or find another
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  • location.
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  • So, my mindset right now is
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  • making sure that there's not
  • 00:13:52.160 --> 00:13:53.180
  • a complacency that comes with
  • 00:13:53.180 --> 00:13:55.080
  • having reached a certain level,
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  • because that comfort of having
  • 00:13:56.250 --> 00:13:58.150
  • what you might think is a large
  • 00:13:58.150 --> 00:13:59.180
  • ministry can be the enemy of
  • 00:13:59.180 --> 00:14:01.140
  • the ministry that God wants
  • 00:14:01.140 --> 00:14:02.090
  • to give you.
  • 00:14:02.090 --> 00:14:03.110
  • So, we're on a crusade against
  • 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:05.000
  • complacency in our ministry
  • 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.090
  • right now to keep everybody
  • 00:14:06.090 --> 00:14:07.210
  • looking forward.
  • 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:08.120
  • So, we've got other campuses
  • 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.000
  • to start, leaders to raise up.
  • 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:11.280
  • I think we wanna continue
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  • to strengthen our model with our
  • 00:14:13.010 --> 00:14:14.290
  • multi-site churches, and all of
  • 00:14:14.290 --> 00:14:16.180
  • that depends on leadership, so.
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  • - Tim: And then, I guess,
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  • with three kids and family,
  • 00:14:19.060 --> 00:14:21.120
  • the pressure, has it ever got
  • 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.120
  • too much over that time?
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  • - Steven: I think I've been
  • 00:14:24.210 --> 00:14:25.290
  • frayed, at times, and felt like,
  • 00:14:26.060 --> 00:14:29.060
  • "Am I really responsible for all
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  • this?"
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  • I walked through a new building
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  • that we just built the other day
  • 00:14:32.230 --> 00:14:34.170
  • and I thought, "I could screw
  • 00:14:34.170 --> 00:14:36.210
  • this whole thing up with
  • 00:14:36.210 --> 00:14:37.270
  • a dumb decision."
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  • I'm a human, you know?
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  • But those moments are absorbed
  • 00:14:40.110 --> 00:14:43.010
  • in the fact that I look back at
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  • what God has done.
  • 00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:46.010
  • I have a David moment then,
  • 00:14:46.010 --> 00:14:47.130
  • you know?
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  • I go, all right, this is a big,
  • 00:14:47.280 --> 00:14:49.060
  • big obstacle.
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  • I've never seen Goliath before,
  • 00:14:50.150 --> 00:14:52.020
  • but I have seen a lion,
  • 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.060
  • I have seen a bear.
  • 00:14:53.060 --> 00:14:54.200
  • So, we feed our faith with that
  • 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.140
  • past faithfulness of God, and
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  • move, and don't think too long.
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  • Just move.
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  • Move quickly onto
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  • the next thing.
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  • So far, you know, every time
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  • we've stepped out,
  • 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:06.020
  • he's sustained us, and I believe
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  • he'll continue to do it.
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  • - Emma:
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  • Steven and Holly Furtick,
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  • thank you so much for
  • 00:15:12.010 --> 00:15:13.010
  • coming and sharing your heart
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  • with us today.
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  • - Holly: Thank you for having
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  • us.
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  • - male announcer: Up next.
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  • His love is like the sun
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  • ever true
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  • I stand upon the solid rock
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  • of faith in Christ
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  • This steadfast hope
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  • shall not break apart
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  • within the trial
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  • I am assured his promises
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  • will never fail
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  • As long as life remains
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  • he is faithful
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  • God is patient
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  • God is kind
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  • He does not envy
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  • He does not boast
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  • His ways are higher
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  • than my own
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  • His thoughts consume
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  • the great unknown
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  • Of this alone I am sure
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  • I draw my breath under his
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  • created windswept sky
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  • I know my hope shall last
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  • long after my flesh retires
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  • From dusk until the dawn
  • 00:17:36.140 --> 00:17:39.080
  • he calls his children home
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  • His righteous love outlasts
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  • generations
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  • God is patient
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  • God is kind
  • 00:17:53.150 --> 00:17:56.150
  • He does not envy
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  • He does not boast
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  • His ways are higher
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  • than my own
  • 00:18:05.260 --> 00:18:07.100
  • His thoughts consume
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  • the great unknown
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  • Of this alone I am sure
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  • He is Almighty God, Elohim
  • 00:18:32.150 --> 00:18:35.150
  • Maker of the earth
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  • He is the Lord of hosts
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  • heaven's King
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  • God of endless worth
  • 00:18:42.110 --> 00:18:44.270
  • His kingdom stands
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  • above every power
  • 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.150
  • every living soul
  • 00:18:49.150 --> 00:18:52.010
  • His love is like the sun
  • 00:18:52.010 --> 00:18:54.220
  • ever true
  • 00:18:54.220 --> 00:18:56.180
  • shining over all
  • 00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:59.030
  • He is Almighty God, Elohim
  • 00:19:00.220 --> 00:19:03.220
  • Maker of the earth
  • 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:06.080
  • He is the Lord of hosts
  • 00:19:06.080 --> 00:19:09.000
  • heaven's King
  • 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.040
  • God of endless worth
  • 00:19:11.040 --> 00:19:13.120
  • His kingdom stands above
  • 00:19:13.120 --> 00:19:16.050
  • every power
  • 00:19:16.050 --> 00:19:18.010
  • every living soul
  • 00:19:18.010 --> 00:19:20.170
  • His love is like the sun
  • 00:19:20.170 --> 00:19:23.120
  • ever true
  • 00:19:23.120 --> 00:19:25.030
  • Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
  • 00:19:37.290 --> 00:19:40.290
  • Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
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  • God is patient
  • 00:19:58.180 --> 00:20:01.180
  • God is kind
  • 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.240
  • He does not envy
  • 00:20:05.100 --> 00:20:08.100
  • He does not boast
  • 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.200
  • His ways are higher
  • 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.280
  • than my own
  • 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:15.100
  • His thoughts consume
  • 00:20:15.100 --> 00:20:17.090
  • the great unknown
  • 00:20:17.090 --> 00:20:20.050
  • Of this alone I am sure
  • 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.200
  • - Terry: We have
  • 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:28.290
  • Rich and Cass Langton on
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  • the lounge now.
  • 00:20:30.150 --> 00:20:31.180
  • They are the global creative
  • 00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:32.220
  • pastors of Hillsong Church,
  • 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:34.110
  • and it's an honor to have you
  • 00:20:34.110 --> 00:20:35.200
  • with us here today.
  • 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:36.080
  • - Rich Langton: Thank you.
  • 00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:37.150
  • - Cass Langton: Nice to be
  • 00:20:37.150 --> 00:20:38.020
  • back.
  • 00:20:38.020 --> 00:20:38.160
  • - Terry: What does it mean to
  • 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:39.070
  • be a global creative pastor?
  • 00:20:39.070 --> 00:20:41.020
  • That's a pretty significant
  • 00:20:41.020 --> 00:20:42.180
  • term.
  • 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:43.100
  • And when you put it in
  • 00:20:43.100 --> 00:20:44.050
  • the context of what God has
  • 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:45.290
  • blessed to become
  • 00:20:45.290 --> 00:20:46.260
  • a pretty significant church,
  • 00:20:46.260 --> 00:20:48.140
  • it must come with a lot
  • 00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:49.210
  • of responsibility.
  • 00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:52.120
  • - Rich: Yes, ha ha ha.
  • 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:54.130
  • - Cass: I feel like that title
  • 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:56.100
  • sounds epic, and actually it
  • 00:20:56.100 --> 00:20:58.070
  • just probably relates to
  • 00:20:58.070 --> 00:20:59.170
  • a whole lot of work and things
  • 00:20:59.170 --> 00:21:00.290
  • to do that actually keep our
  • 00:21:00.290 --> 00:21:02.110
  • church all moving in the same
  • 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:03.130
  • direction across the page
  • 00:21:03.130 --> 00:21:04.180
  • creatively.
  • 00:21:04.180 --> 00:21:05.230
  • We have the honor of working
  • 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:06.260
  • with some incredible
  • 00:21:06.260 --> 00:21:08.030
  • creative pastors,
  • 00:21:08.030 --> 00:21:09.140
  • from your own church in Phoenix,
  • 00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:11.130
  • all through New York, L.A.,
  • 00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:13.060
  • right across Europe,
  • 00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:14.160
  • South Africa, and here
  • 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.160
  • in Australia.
  • 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:16.190
  • We work with teams on the ground
  • 00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:18.290
  • in bringing creative expression
  • 00:21:18.290 --> 00:21:21.080
  • to Sundays and weekends,
  • 00:21:21.080 --> 00:21:23.010
  • but we also have the incredible
  • 00:21:23.010 --> 00:21:24.100
  • honor of leading and pastoring
  • 00:21:24.100 --> 00:21:26.250
  • the United team, Young & Free,
  • 00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:28.180
  • Hillsong Worship, and then
  • 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:30.070
  • providing leadership across
  • 00:21:30.070 --> 00:21:31.090
  • the creativity of our
  • 00:21:31.090 --> 00:21:32.060
  • conferences and major events.
  • 00:21:32.060 --> 00:21:34.010
  • So, it's a great, fun job.
  • 00:21:34.010 --> 00:21:35.210
  • Couldn't dream of something
  • 00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:36.210
  • better or a better team to be
  • 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:37.160
  • part of, and I pinch myself
  • 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:38.290
  • every time.
  • 00:21:38.290 --> 00:21:40.000
  • I wake up in the morning that we
  • 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.000
  • get to do this.
  • 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:42.210
  • It's an honor.
  • 00:21:42.210 --> 00:21:43.180
  • - Terry: And of course, you're
  • 00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:44.070
  • covering quite a broad span of
  • 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:46.290
  • ministry-related activities,
  • 00:21:46.290 --> 00:21:48.190
  • from production, to television,
  • 00:21:48.190 --> 00:21:50.210
  • to worship and the arts.
  • 00:21:50.210 --> 00:21:52.120
  • Are you guys musicians
  • 00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:53.220
  • by background?
  • 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:54.290
  • Is that something that you have
  • 00:21:54.290 --> 00:21:56.250
  • in your wheelhouse?
  • 00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:57.220
  • - Rich: So, I'm not sure if we
  • 00:21:57.220 --> 00:21:58.120
  • would call ourselves musicians.
  • 00:21:58.120 --> 00:21:59.230
  • - Cass: When I met Rich, he was
  • 00:21:59.230 --> 00:22:01.090
  • leading worship at our church
  • 00:22:01.090 --> 00:22:03.020
  • in Melbourne,
  • 00:22:03.020 --> 00:22:04.000
  • and he had Ben Fielding,
  • 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:05.270
  • who was a little guy on guitar.
  • 00:22:05.270 --> 00:22:07.080
  • They would do Christmas
  • 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:08.110
  • spectaculars together and
  • 00:22:08.110 --> 00:22:09.190
  • he would make Benny come stand
  • 00:22:09.190 --> 00:22:10.210
  • beside him.
  • 00:22:10.210 --> 00:22:11.220
  • And he kept saying to a guy
  • 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:12.230
  • called Reuben Morgan, "You know,
  • 00:22:12.230 --> 00:22:14.060
  • you should really write songs."
  • 00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:15.240
  • So, he was our worship leader at
  • 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.140
  • home and those guys were part
  • 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:19.130
  • of his team.
  • 00:22:19.130 --> 00:22:20.200
  • I guess we've always been
  • 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:21.150
  • involved in church from the time
  • 00:22:21.150 --> 00:22:23.170
  • we were little, whether it was
  • 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:24.180
  • in creative, or youth ministry,
  • 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:26.120
  • kids.
  • 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:27.160
  • We just love the house of God,
  • 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:28.210
  • love that we get to build
  • 00:22:28.210 --> 00:22:29.160
  • church.
  • 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:30.160
  • - Rich: And I think, as well,
  • 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.080
  • we love to worship.
  • 00:22:31.080 --> 00:22:32.270
  • So, obviously,
  • 00:22:32.270 --> 00:22:33.200
  • part of the creativity that we
  • 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.000
  • bring is the worship, and that's
  • 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.070
  • at the heart of, I think, us,
  • 00:22:36.070 --> 00:22:38.100
  • and hopefully that's what we're
  • 00:22:38.100 --> 00:22:39.090
  • encouraging in our creative team
  • 00:22:39.090 --> 00:22:40.150
  • as well.
  • 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:41.120
  • - Niyah: Hillsong is known for
  • 00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:42.120
  • coming up with some of the most
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  • creative ways to express God's
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  • love and just the things of God.
  • 00:22:47.010 --> 00:22:49.180
  • I have to ask, how do you come
  • 00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:51.190
  • up with these ideas and present
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  • them in a way that honors God?
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  • - Rich: Google.
  • 00:22:55.130 --> 00:22:57.210
  • No, not really.
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  • - Terry: The secret.
  • 00:22:58.230 --> 00:22:59.110
  • - Rich: Yeah, everything you
  • 00:22:59.110 --> 00:23:00.140
  • don't know, not really.
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  • - Cass: I think the power of
  • 00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:03.010
  • the creativity--like, I would
  • 00:23:03.010 --> 00:23:05.030
  • never say that we're the very
  • 00:23:05.030 --> 00:23:06.130
  • best.
  • 00:23:06.130 --> 00:23:07.000
  • I feel like I can see and
  • 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.110
  • imagine where we could be,
  • 00:23:09.110 --> 00:23:11.150
  • and I feel like we always
  • 00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:12.030
  • fall short of that.
  • 00:23:12.030 --> 00:23:13.160
  • But I think in
  • 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:14.050
  • the collaboration, we have some
  • 00:23:14.050 --> 00:23:15.110
  • incredible people around
  • 00:23:15.110 --> 00:23:16.070
  • the table.
  • 00:23:16.070 --> 00:23:17.070
  • So, people like Joel Houston.
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  • He's a great dreamer of ideas.
  • 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:22.070
  • And then we have,
  • 00:23:22.070 --> 00:23:22.230
  • across the breadth of our team,
  • 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:24.000
  • Ben Fielding, and our television
  • 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.060
  • team, and our production team.
  • 00:23:25.060 --> 00:23:26.150
  • Together around a table, they're
  • 00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:28.010
  • all thinking about ways that we
  • 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:29.270
  • can articulate the gospel
  • 00:23:29.270 --> 00:23:32.010
  • differently.
  • 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:33.060
  • And so, they're constantly
  • 00:23:33.060 --> 00:23:34.160
  • bringing ideas to tables and
  • 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.010
  • we're constantly pushing people
  • 00:23:36.010 --> 00:23:38.020
  • to reimagine and re-dream
  • 00:23:38.020 --> 00:23:39.230
  • the story.
  • 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:41.010
  • I keep thinking, if we can take
  • 00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:42.000
  • the gospel story and then
  • 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.080
  • reimagine it, then maybe we will
  • 00:23:43.080 --> 00:23:45.140
  • get close to catching people
  • 00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:46.210
  • off-guard and taking them by
  • 00:23:46.210 --> 00:23:47.240
  • surprise with the beauty of it.
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  • - Rich: Our starting place is
  • 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.100
  • always the Word of God.
  • 00:23:50.100 --> 00:23:52.020
  • And if you look at it through
  • 00:23:52.020 --> 00:23:54.100
  • the lens of creativity,
  • 00:23:54.100 --> 00:23:55.240
  • God is a Creator God from
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  • the start.
  • 00:23:57.150 --> 00:23:58.000
  • So, he starts with creation and
  • 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.210
  • being creative, and then if you
  • 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:02.050
  • look at his creation,
  • 00:24:02.050 --> 00:24:03.170
  • the things that he created, he's
  • 00:24:03.170 --> 00:24:06.040
  • obviously got an imagination.
  • 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:07.160
  • So, we look at that, and we look
  • 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:08.120
  • at things like the prophets.
  • 00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:10.210
  • - Cass: I love the prophets.
  • 00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:11.190
  • - Rich: And the stories of
  • 00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.060
  • Jesus, and all of the ways that
  • 00:24:12.060 --> 00:24:13.200
  • are communicated throughout
  • 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.210
  • the Word of God, it's creative
  • 00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:17.110
  • and we just have to have eyes
  • 00:24:17.110 --> 00:24:18.110
  • to see it, I think.
  • 00:24:18.110 --> 00:24:19.170
  • - Cass: And I love the thought
  • 00:24:19.170 --> 00:24:20.060
  • that imagination actually is
  • 00:24:20.060 --> 00:24:21.240
  • something that helps us to get
  • 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.010
  • closer to God.
  • 00:24:23.010 --> 00:24:24.240
  • And I love that.
  • 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:25.100
  • I think if we can stir the arts
  • 00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:26.230
  • in our church, then maybe we
  • 00:24:26.230 --> 00:24:28.150
  • can lead our church to
  • 00:24:28.150 --> 00:24:29.260
  • the heart of God.
  • 00:24:29.260 --> 00:24:31.080
  • Jesus, parables, storyteller.
  • 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:33.150
  • Like, why wouldn't we use
  • 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:34.280
  • the arts to tell stories and
  • 00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:36.160
  • reimagine.
  • 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:37.170
  • - Terry: Let's talk about that
  • 00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:38.070
  • for a moment on the level of
  • 00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:40.020
  • the local church.
  • 00:24:40.020 --> 00:24:41.170
  • Obviously, the doors have
  • 00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:42.200
  • opened, the delegates are
  • 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:43.260
  • streaming in here at
  • 00:24:43.260 --> 00:24:45.080
  • the 30th anniversary
  • 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:46.230
  • of Hillsong Conference.
  • 00:24:46.230 --> 00:24:48.030
  • It's gonna be an amazing day
  • 00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:49.080
  • right here.
  • 00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:50.120
  • And I know you guys are--you're
  • 00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:52.010
  • local church kids.
  • 00:24:52.010 --> 00:24:53.170
  • You have a passion to see teams
  • 00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:55.230
  • flourish everywhere, whether
  • 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:58.030
  • they're a part of Hillsong and
  • 00:24:58.030 --> 00:25:00.060
  • our world or some other world,
  • 00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:01.270
  • that we're championing the cause
  • 00:25:01.270 --> 00:25:03.230
  • of those churches as well.
  • 00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:05.090
  • So, can you talk for a little
  • 00:25:05.090 --> 00:25:06.270
  • bit about how local churches can
  • 00:25:06.270 --> 00:25:09.110
  • kind of dial in to communicating
  • 00:25:09.110 --> 00:25:11.280
  • the gospel, the arts,
  • 00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:13.250
  • the story of Jesus,
  • 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:15.030
  • the prophets, the beauty that
  • 00:25:15.030 --> 00:25:17.000
  • you've discussed here for
  • 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.120
  • a moment?
  • 00:25:18.120 --> 00:25:19.080
  • - Rich: Obviously, Jesus,
  • 00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:20.070
  • if we take it back to him for
  • 00:25:20.070 --> 00:25:21.080
  • a minute, he saw the individual,
  • 00:25:21.080 --> 00:25:23.210
  • he didn't just see the crowds.
  • 00:25:23.210 --> 00:25:25.210
  • And I think, for us, that's what
  • 00:25:25.210 --> 00:25:27.010
  • we're trying to do with our
  • 00:25:27.010 --> 00:25:27.250
  • teams and within our churches.
  • 00:25:27.250 --> 00:25:30.000
  • So, there's a whole lot of
  • 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:30.250
  • crowds, you could say, that come
  • 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:32.090
  • to church, but within that,
  • 00:25:32.090 --> 00:25:34.060
  • there's a whole bunch of
  • 00:25:34.060 --> 00:25:34.220
  • individuals, and they bring
  • 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.020
  • their individual gifting.
  • 00:25:36.020 --> 00:25:37.240
  • So, I don't think we would
  • 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:38.120
  • prescriptive as to say,
  • 00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:39.280
  • "You have to do dance,"
  • 00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:41.200
  • or "You have to do painting,"
  • 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.260
  • or music even, but look to
  • 00:25:43.010 --> 00:25:46.010
  • the people that you have in your
  • 00:25:46.010 --> 00:25:47.030
  • congregation and look to what
  • 00:25:47.030 --> 00:25:48.290
  • God has gifted them individually
  • 00:25:48.290 --> 00:25:50.170
  • with, and draw out the gift
  • 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:51.270
  • in them.
  • 00:25:51.270 --> 00:25:53.070
  • Cass talks about us being
  • 00:25:53.070 --> 00:25:54.040
  • dreamcatchers.
  • 00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:55.130
  • We need to see what people have
  • 00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:56.170
  • in their heart and what they can
  • 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:58.060
  • bring, and catch that dream for
  • 00:25:58.060 --> 00:25:59.190
  • them.
  • 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:00.220
  • So, I guess that would be
  • 00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:01.260
  • the starting place of how can
  • 00:26:01.260 --> 00:26:03.110
  • we communicate the arts.
  • 00:26:03.110 --> 00:26:05.070
  • - Cass: I was actually chatting
  • 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:06.000
  • to some college students who
  • 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.100
  • have been at Hillsong College
  • 00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:08.130
  • over the last few years and
  • 00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:09.060
  • they've returned home.
  • 00:26:09.060 --> 00:26:10.150
  • They came out of our creative
  • 00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:11.180
  • team, they went back to their
  • 00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:13.000
  • local communities,
  • 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:13.290
  • and they went,
  • 00:26:13.290 --> 00:26:14.180
  • "We're gonna do what they do."
  • 00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:16.030
  • And so, one Easter Sunday,
  • 00:26:16.030 --> 00:26:17.190
  • the girl was telling me, she
  • 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:18.250
  • locked all the doors down and
  • 00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:20.160
  • they did a massive production,
  • 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.070
  • but they forgot to let
  • 00:26:22.070 --> 00:26:23.280
  • the people in at the end who
  • 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:25.190
  • were waiting out in the foyers.
  • 00:26:25.190 --> 00:26:27.000
  • And she said people left
  • 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:27.160
  • the church because she was
  • 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.030
  • so intent on bringing something
  • 00:26:29.030 --> 00:26:31.110
  • creative to the platform that
  • 00:26:31.110 --> 00:26:33.150
  • she missed the fact that they
  • 00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:34.220
  • were the church there
  • 00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:36.080
  • to actually bring the gospel
  • 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.150
  • to the lost.
  • 00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:38.220
  • So, I often think people go home
  • 00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:40.010
  • from here inspired by what we
  • 00:26:40.010 --> 00:26:41.270
  • do, but not taking the heart
  • 00:26:41.270 --> 00:26:44.160
  • of what we do or the why behind
  • 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.000
  • the what.
  • 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:46.180
  • - Terry: Love that.
  • 00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:47.050
  • - Cass: So, instead of going,
  • 00:26:47.050 --> 00:26:48.180
  • "What does my church need?
  • 00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:50.030
  • What's our resource look like?
  • 00:26:50.030 --> 00:26:51.200
  • What can we actually do?"
  • 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.060
  • they go,
  • 00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:53.220
  • "Let's do what Hillsong did."
  • 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:55.000
  • So, I think wherever you are,
  • 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.200
  • you have to catch the fish that
  • 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.010
  • are in your pond,
  • 00:26:58.010 --> 00:26:59.120
  • not in my pond.
  • 00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:00.180
  • You've gotta minister to
  • 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:01.130
  • the church that you have,
  • 00:27:01.130 --> 00:27:02.150
  • not the church that I have.
  • 00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:03.250
  • So, I think there's
  • 00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:04.250
  • a sensitivity to understanding
  • 00:27:04.250 --> 00:27:06.040
  • where God's planted you,
  • 00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:07.280
  • who's around you, and who you're
  • 00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:09.160
  • trying to reach, how to do that
  • 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:10.290
  • best.
  • 00:27:10.290 --> 00:27:12.030
  • - Terry: And dialing all that
  • 00:27:12.030 --> 00:27:12.210
  • in to the one,
  • 00:27:12.210 --> 00:27:14.120
  • to the single individual in
  • 00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:16.060
  • - Steven: I feel freedom in
  • 00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:22.070
  • the house tonight.
  • 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.200
  • And I wanna share with you on
  • 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.220
  • - Tim: Well, there's always
  • 00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:36.210
  • something amazing happening in
  • 00:27:36.210 --> 00:27:37.220
  • our main arena.
  • 00:27:37.220 --> 00:27:38.200
  • Let's go find out what's
  • 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:39.170
  • - Steven: "About midnight
  • 00:27:42.290 --> 00:27:45.210
  • Paul and Silas were praying
  • 00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:49.180
  • and singing hymns to God,
  • 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:51.180
  • and the other prisoners were
  • 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:52.270
  • listening to them.
  • 00:27:52.270 --> 00:27:54.240
  • And suddenly there was such
  • 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.130
  • a violent earthquake that
  • 00:27:56.130 --> 00:27:58.040
  • the foundations of the prison
  • 00:27:58.040 --> 00:28:00.030
  • were shaken.
  • 00:28:00.030 --> 00:28:01.110
  • At once all the prison doors
  • 00:28:01.110 --> 00:28:04.090
  • flew open, and everyone's chains
  • 00:28:05.020 --> 00:28:08.020
  • came loose."
  • 00:28:08.020 --> 00:28:10.220
  • I feel freedom in the house
  • 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:12.000
  • tonight.
  • 00:28:13.030 --> 00:28:16.030
  • And I wanna share with you on
  • 00:28:16.030 --> 00:28:17.050
  • It's kinda interesting how in
  • 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.200
  • your life one thing leads to
  • 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.020
  • another, isn't it?
  • 00:28:25.020 --> 00:28:27.240
  • And usually, at the time that
  • 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:28.280
  • you're going through something,
  • 00:28:28.280 --> 00:28:29.280
  • you don't know what it's leading
  • 00:28:29.280 --> 00:28:30.260
  • to.
  • 00:28:30.260 --> 00:28:31.110
  • If you did, it'd be easier to go
  • 00:28:31.110 --> 00:28:32.140
  • through hard things because you
  • 00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:33.270
  • would know what it was leading
  • 00:28:33.270 --> 00:28:34.240
  • to.
  • 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.100
  • You know, the Bible says,
  • 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:35.260
  • "All things work together for
  • 00:28:35.260 --> 00:28:36.180
  • the good of those who love God
  • 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:38.010
  • and called according to his
  • 00:28:38.010 --> 00:28:38.180
  • purpose," Romans 8:28.
  • 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:40.030
  • But you don't always know how
  • 00:28:40.030 --> 00:28:40.220
  • this is gonna work together and
  • 00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:41.290
  • what it's gonna work together
  • 00:28:41.290 --> 00:28:42.280
  • with for your good.
  • 00:28:42.280 --> 00:28:43.260
  • You just kinda have to trust in
  • 00:28:43.260 --> 00:28:44.220
  • the end it's gonna be good when
  • 00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:45.180
  • God gets done with it.
  • 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:46.120
  • And we have this saying we say.
  • 00:28:46.120 --> 00:28:47.150
  • We say, "It's all good,"
  • 00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:48.140
  • but really, it's not all good.
  • 00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:49.250
  • What we mean when we say,
  • 00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:50.230
  • "It's all good," is we mean,
  • 00:28:50.230 --> 00:28:51.170
  • "It's gonna be good when God
  • 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:52.080
  • gets done with it."
  • 00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:52.280
  • So, if you're going through
  • 00:28:52.280 --> 00:28:53.150
  • something in your life right
  • 00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:54.030
  • now, you need to know by faith
  • 00:28:54.030 --> 00:28:55.180
  • that when God gets done,
  • 00:28:55.180 --> 00:28:56.170
  • it's gonna be good.
  • 00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:57.120
  • Touch somebody and say,
  • 00:28:57.120 --> 00:28:57.280
  • "It's gonna be good when God
  • 00:28:57.280 --> 00:28:59.290
  • But kinda knowing how that's
  • 00:29:03.020 --> 00:29:03.260
  • gonna work out, you don't always
  • 00:29:03.260 --> 00:29:05.090
  • know how one thing is going
  • 00:29:05.090 --> 00:29:06.220
  • to lead to another.
  • 00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:08.020
  • And life gives you that
  • 00:29:08.020 --> 00:29:10.050
  • perspective, but you don't
  • 00:29:10.050 --> 00:29:11.050
  • always have the perspective when
  • 00:29:11.050 --> 00:29:13.130
  • you're in the midst of it.
  • 00:29:13.130 --> 00:29:14.240
  • You don't always have
  • 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.120
  • the perspective, I guess,
  • 00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:17.030
  • in the process to know what
  • 00:29:17.030 --> 00:29:19.040
  • the end product is going to be.
  • 00:29:19.040 --> 00:29:21.290
  • Like, for instance,
  • 00:29:21.290 --> 00:29:24.010
  • when Pastor Mickey White handed
  • 00:29:24.010 --> 00:29:25.250
  • me a copy of this book called,
  • 00:29:25.250 --> 00:29:28.130
  • "Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire,"
  • 00:29:28.130 --> 00:29:29.230
  • by Pastor Jim Cymbala,
  • 00:29:29.230 --> 00:29:31.190
  • the Brooklyn Tabernacle Church,
  • 00:29:31.190 --> 00:29:34.120
  • I didn't know that I would come
  • 00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:35.270
  • across a sentence on page 23 of
  • 00:29:35.270 --> 00:29:37.270
  • that book.
  • 00:29:37.270 --> 00:29:39.010
  • I was 16 years old,
  • 00:29:39.010 --> 00:29:40.270
  • and the sentence said,
  • 00:29:40.270 --> 00:29:42.160
  • "I despaired at the thought that
  • 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.240
  • my life might slip by without
  • 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.120
  • God showing himself mightily on
  • 00:29:46.280 --> 00:29:49.280
  • our behalf."
  • 00:29:49.280 --> 00:29:51.280
  • I don't know how,
  • 00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:52.150
  • as a 16-year-old,
  • 00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:53.150
  • the thought of my life slipping
  • 00:29:53.150 --> 00:29:54.250
  • by resonated with me, you know?
  • 00:29:54.250 --> 00:29:56.180
  • You would think that's a little
  • 00:29:56.180 --> 00:29:58.030
  • deep, but as I read on his book,
  • 00:29:58.030 --> 00:30:00.240
  • you know, he was talking about
  • 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.220
  • being a pastor, seeing God move
  • 00:30:01.220 --> 00:30:03.130
  • in a great way in his city.
  • 00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:05.260
  • And I was reading the stories,
  • 00:30:05.260 --> 00:30:07.110
  • and I just got a sense, man,
  • 00:30:07.110 --> 00:30:09.050
  • from this book that
  • 00:30:09.050 --> 00:30:09.220
  • Pastor Mickey handed me
  • 00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:10.250
  • and he said that I had to read
  • 00:30:10.250 --> 00:30:12.120
  • it and we were gonna talk about
  • 00:30:12.120 --> 00:30:13.050
  • it, but I didn't know when he
  • 00:30:13.050 --> 00:30:14.190
  • handed me the book and gave me
  • 00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:16.040
  • an assignment that I would come
  • 00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:17.140
  • across a sentence on page 23 and
  • 00:30:17.140 --> 00:30:19.170
  • that I would get a vision from
  • 00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:21.020
  • just reading that one thing that
  • 00:30:21.020 --> 00:30:22.070
  • one day I would be a pastor or
  • 00:30:22.070 --> 00:30:23.120
  • start a church.
  • 00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:24.220
  • And I kinda knew it a little bit
  • 00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:26.130
  • at age 16.
  • 00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:27.110
  • I mean, I say now that I knew it
  • 00:30:27.110 --> 00:30:29.230
  • at age 16.
  • 00:30:29.230 --> 00:30:31.060
  • Really, at the time--I can
  • 00:30:31.060 --> 00:30:33.030
  • explain it to you now like I saw
  • 00:30:33.030 --> 00:30:35.200
  • that it was this definite thing,
  • 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.190
  • but really, at the time,
  • 00:30:37.190 --> 00:30:38.160
  • it was more like a sense,
  • 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.030
  • an impression.
  • 00:30:41.030 --> 00:30:42.020
  • And now, I can tell you about it
  • 00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:43.150
  • and I can say, "Oh, well,
  • 00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:45.140
  • when I read that book at age 16,
  • 00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:48.000
  • that's where God started to
  • 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.060
  • speak to me that I was gonna be
  • 00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:51.000
  • a pastor one day."
  • 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.150
  • But if I were really 16 talking
  • 00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:54.240
  • to you about it, I couldn't
  • 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.080
  • explain it that clearly because
  • 00:30:56.080 --> 00:30:58.050
  • you can't really see it when
  • 00:30:58.050 --> 00:31:00.040
  • you're in it.
  • 00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:00.210
  • You can only see how it
  • 00:31:00.210 --> 00:31:02.080
  • connected looking back at it.
  • 00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:04.260
  • You know what I mean?
  • 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.000
  • Like, I could tell you all
  • 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.160
  • the events that led up to me
  • 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.180
  • marrying Holly.
  • 00:31:11.180 --> 00:31:12.140
  • I could tell you how Derek
  • 00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:13.250
  • didn't take her out on a date,
  • 00:31:13.250 --> 00:31:15.070
  • and so I did.
  • 00:31:15.070 --> 00:31:16.030
  • I could tell you how that was
  • 00:31:16.030 --> 00:31:17.090
  • the greatest decision of her
  • 00:31:17.090 --> 00:31:18.100
  • life.
  • 00:31:18.100 --> 00:31:18.260
  • Now, she didn't know at the time
  • 00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:22.180
  • that Derek the Disappointment--
  • 00:31:22.180 --> 00:31:24.230
  • that's the nickname I've given
  • 00:31:24.230 --> 00:31:25.170
  • him--was leading her
  • 00:31:26.290 --> 00:31:29.290
  • to her destiny.
  • 00:31:29.290 --> 00:31:31.010
  • How many of you know that
  • 00:31:31.010 --> 00:31:32.210
  • sometimes your disappointment is
  • 00:31:32.210 --> 00:31:34.120
  • leading you to your destiny?
  • 00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:37.100
  • And I bring it up because,
  • 00:31:37.100 --> 00:31:38.220
  • in Acts chapter 16,
  • 00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:41.010
  • Paul is taking the gospel
  • 00:31:41.010 --> 00:31:43.270
  • to Europe.
  • 00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:46.100
  • The gospel's never been
  • 00:31:46.100 --> 00:31:46.290
  • to Europe before.
  • 00:31:46.290 --> 00:31:49.080
  • He's taking the gospel to
  • 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:51.080
  • Philippi, the Macedonian region
  • 00:31:51.080 --> 00:31:54.030
  • to be exact.
  • 00:31:54.030 --> 00:31:55.160
  • He's in Europe, but he didn't
  • 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.180
  • originally wanna go to Europe.
  • 00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.260
  • He wanted to go to
  • 00:31:59.260 --> 00:32:01.200
  • the province of Asia,
  • 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.280
  • and because the door was closed
  • 00:32:03.010 --> 00:32:06.010
  • for where he wanted to go,
  • 00:32:06.010 --> 00:32:08.100
  • he was forced to go where he
  • 00:32:08.100 --> 00:32:09.180
  • didn't know that he needed
  • 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.210
  • to go.
  • 00:32:10.210 --> 00:32:12.290
  • And because he was forced to go
  • 00:32:12.290 --> 00:32:14.060
  • where he didn't know he needed
  • 00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:15.060
  • to go, the gospel went where God
  • 00:32:15.060 --> 00:32:17.150
  • wanted it to go, but I bet he
  • 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.160
  • didn't see it while he was
  • 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.190
  • in it.
  • 00:32:23.190 --> 00:32:25.220
  • It's pretty to preach about now
  • 00:32:26.070 --> 00:32:29.070
  • that we have Acts chapter 16
  • 00:32:29.070 --> 00:32:31.060
  • canonized and crystallized,
  • 00:32:31.060 --> 00:32:33.220
  • but when you're in it,
  • 00:32:33.220 --> 00:32:34.210
  • it's different.
  • 00:32:34.210 --> 00:32:36.130
  • Touch your neighbor
  • 00:32:36.130 --> 00:32:37.000
  • and tell 'em, "It's different
  • 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.050
  • when you're in it."
  • 00:32:38.090 --> 00:32:41.090
  • You know, you can look back on
  • 00:32:41.090 --> 00:32:42.190
  • it and say, "Well, you know,
  • 00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:43.280
  • this led to that."
  • 00:32:43.280 --> 00:32:45.070
  • And I was talking to a guy one
  • 00:32:45.070 --> 00:32:46.060
  • time, he had been through
  • 00:32:46.060 --> 00:32:47.190
  • something really painful and
  • 00:32:47.190 --> 00:32:49.040
  • he said something profound.
  • 00:32:49.040 --> 00:32:50.040
  • I said, "Man, I'm sorry you had
  • 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:51.030
  • to go through that."
  • 00:32:51.030 --> 00:32:51.200
  • He said, "Oh, no, no, no, no.
  • 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.000
  • Don't apologize that I had to go
  • 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:53.220
  • through it."
  • 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.020
  • And what he said had a lot of
  • 00:32:55.020 --> 00:32:56.040
  • wisdom to it.
  • 00:32:56.040 --> 00:32:56.260
  • He said, "I wouldn't have chosen
  • 00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:59.060
  • it, but I wouldn't change it."
  • 00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:04.140
  • And what he was saying is, "Now
  • 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.100
  • that I see what God used it
  • 00:33:06.100 --> 00:33:09.050
  • for in my life, even though at
  • 00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:12.210
  • the time I was praying and
  • 00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:15.040
  • asking God, 'Anything but this,'
  • 00:33:15.270 --> 00:33:18.270
  • now that I see how one thing led
  • 00:33:20.110 --> 00:33:23.110
  • to another, now that I see that
  • 00:33:24.010 --> 00:33:27.010
  • if I had got what I wanted,
  • 00:33:27.010 --> 00:33:28.180
  • I wouldn't be where I needed
  • 00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:30.080
  • to be."
  • 00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:32.090
  • But it's different when you're
  • 00:33:32.090 --> 00:33:34.190
  • in it.
  • 00:33:34.190 --> 00:33:36.090
  • What we see in Acts chapter 16
  • 00:33:36.090 --> 00:33:37.250
  • is the gospel making progress.
  • 00:33:38.290 --> 00:33:41.290
  • As the gospel is making
  • 00:33:41.290 --> 00:33:43.100
  • progress, or we could say,
  • 00:33:43.100 --> 00:33:44.240
  • as the gospel is advancing,
  • 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.220
  • there is an attack.
  • 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:49.270
  • And see, one thing we need to
  • 00:33:49.270 --> 00:33:51.270
  • understand about the nature of
  • 00:33:51.270 --> 00:33:54.170
  • growth in our lives and the
  • 00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:56.240
  • growth of God's kingdom is that
  • 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.150
  • the attack and the advancement
  • 00:34:00.070 --> 00:34:03.070
  • always go hand-in-hand.
  • 00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:06.250
  • Paul is now in Europe and he's
  • 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.000
  • having some success sharing
  • 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.030
  • the gospel.
  • 00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:12.260
  • He converted a woman named
  • 00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:14.150
  • Lydia, and he turned around to
  • 00:34:14.150 --> 00:34:16.220
  • this one girl that was following
  • 00:34:16.220 --> 00:34:18.290
  • him around, and he commanded
  • 00:34:18.290 --> 00:34:21.060
  • an evil spirit to come out of
  • 00:34:21.060 --> 00:34:22.100
  • her in the name of Jesus,
  • 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:23.160
  • and the spirit obeyed.
  • 00:34:23.160 --> 00:34:26.030
  • But you know, the attack and the
  • 00:34:27.180 --> 00:34:30.180
  • advance always go hand-in-hand.
  • 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.280
  • I like country preachers, man.
  • 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.230
  • I heard one country preacher
  • 00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:36.290
  • say, "If you hadn't had
  • 00:34:36.290 --> 00:34:38.100
  • a head-on collision with
  • 00:34:38.100 --> 00:34:39.180
  • the devil lately, you might be
  • 00:34:39.180 --> 00:34:41.100
  • headed in the same direction
  • 00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:42.120
  • he is."
  • 00:34:42.120 --> 00:34:45.070
  • That's what the country preacher
  • 00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:46.010
  • said.
  • 00:34:46.010 --> 00:34:48.030
  • And you know, it's kinda true.
  • 00:34:48.030 --> 00:34:50.170
  • It's kinda true.
  • 00:34:50.170 --> 00:34:51.140
  • I remember a little while ago,
  • 00:34:51.140 --> 00:34:53.290
  • our church was going through
  • 00:34:53.290 --> 00:34:55.050
  • some criticism and stuff,
  • 00:34:55.050 --> 00:34:58.030
  • and I asked God to make it stop.
  • 00:34:58.030 --> 00:35:00.190
  • I was like, "God, stop it,"
  • 00:35:00.190 --> 00:35:02.130
  • 'cause it didn't seem fair
  • 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:03.030
  • and I didn't like it.
  • 00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:03.280
  • It didn't feel good.
  • 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:04.220
  • They were saying stuff about me
  • 00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:06.060
  • and some of it wasn't true,
  • 00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:07.190
  • and I didn't like it.
  • 00:35:07.190 --> 00:35:08.150
  • It didn't feel good.
  • 00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:09.110
  • And I asked God could he make it
  • 00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:10.270
  • stop, and I felt like what he
  • 00:35:10.270 --> 00:35:12.110
  • was saying back to me was,
  • 00:35:12.110 --> 00:35:13.280
  • "Yeah, I can stop it, but if
  • 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.220
  • I stop the attack, I'll have to
  • 00:35:15.290 --> 00:35:18.290
  • stop the accompanying blessing
  • 00:35:18.290 --> 00:35:21.260
  • that brought about the attack."
  • 00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:25.200
  • Sometimes we get so comfortable
  • 00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:28.140
  • and complacent that we assume
  • 00:35:29.050 --> 00:35:32.050
  • that if we're facing an attack,
  • 00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:34.100
  • we must be doing something
  • 00:35:34.100 --> 00:35:35.150
  • wrong.
  • 00:35:35.150 --> 00:35:37.050
  • But I came with an announcement
  • 00:35:37.050 --> 00:35:38.220
  • tonight, sometimes the fact that
  • 00:35:38.230 --> 00:35:41.230
  • you're under attack isn't a sign
  • 00:35:41.230 --> 00:35:44.210
  • that you're doing it wrong, it's
  • 00:35:44.210 --> 00:35:46.130
  • a sign that you're on the right
  • 00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:48.030
  • track and the devil sees that
  • 00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.230
  • you have determined and decided
  • 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:53.080
  • in your heart, in your mind,
  • 00:35:53.080 --> 00:35:55.080
  • in your spirit that,
  • 00:35:55.080 --> 00:35:56.190
  • "I'm gonna make a difference."
  • 00:35:56.190 --> 00:35:58.110
  • Let me share something with you.
  • 00:35:58.110 --> 00:35:59.230
  • The devil doesn't have to attack
  • 00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:01.160
  • apathetic people.
  • 00:36:01.160 --> 00:36:03.000
  • It's only the people who have
  • 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.060
  • made up their mind,
  • 00:36:04.060 --> 00:36:05.090
  • "I'm not staying where I am.
  • 00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:06.240
  • I'm not living for just me.
  • 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:08.170
  • I'm gonna make a difference
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:09.210
  • in my world.
  • 00:36:09.210 --> 00:36:10.170
  • I'm breaking out of the confines
  • 00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:12.030
  • of what's comfortable for me and
  • 00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:13.290
  • - male announcer: Coming up
  • 00:36:17.130 --> 00:36:18.000
  • next.
  • 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.020
  • - Joel: We'd planned to do
  • 00:36:19.020 --> 00:36:20.020
  • "Touch the Sky" up on the cliffs
  • 00:36:20.020 --> 00:36:21.190
  • of Mount Arbel overlooking
  • 00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:23.060
  • the Sea of Galilee and with
  • 00:36:23.060 --> 00:36:24.180
  • the Mount of Beatitudes
  • 00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:25.160
  • in the background.
  • 00:36:25.160 --> 00:36:26.080
  • And we're all running up
  • 00:36:26.080 --> 00:36:27.060
  • the hill trying to get in,
  • 00:36:27.060 --> 00:36:28.020
  • and we're trying to figure out
  • 00:36:28.020 --> 00:36:28.280
  • - Emma: There is so much
  • 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.190
  • happening backstage this year
  • 00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:38.100
  • at Hillsong Conference.
  • 00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:39.070
  • - Steve McPherson: How's
  • 00:36:42.070 --> 00:36:42.230
  • Conference been so far?
  • 00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:43.180
  • - Joel: How's conference been
  • 00:36:43.180 --> 00:36:44.090
  • so far?
  • 00:36:44.090 --> 00:36:45.260
  • - Taya Smith: Probably the best
  • 00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:46.210
  • thing ever.
  • 00:36:46.210 --> 00:36:47.190
  • - Steve: Ever.
  • 00:36:47.190 --> 00:36:48.100
  • - Taya: Yeah, like a smack
  • 00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:48.270
  • in the face, but in a really
  • 00:36:48.270 --> 00:36:49.220
  • good way.
  • 00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:50.190
  • - Joel: A spiritual smack
  • 00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:51.100
  • in the face.
  • 00:36:51.100 --> 00:36:52.070
  • - Mel Wade: What about you,
  • 00:36:52.070 --> 00:36:52.240
  • Crocker?
  • 00:36:52.240 --> 00:36:53.090
  • Have you had a good conference?
  • 00:36:53.090 --> 00:36:54.100
  • - Matt Crocker:
  • 00:36:54.100 --> 00:36:54.260
  • It's been the best, absolutely
  • 00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:55.190
  • amazing.
  • 00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:56.120
  • - Mel: Absolutely amaze?
  • 00:36:56.120 --> 00:36:57.050
  • - Matt: Yeah, I've seen you a
  • 00:36:57.050 --> 00:36:57.280
  • lot this conference.
  • 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:58.250
  • - Mel: That's right.
  • 00:36:58.250 --> 00:36:59.160
  • Jad, talk to us.
  • 00:36:59.160 --> 00:37:01.010
  • I haven't heard your voice yet.
  • 00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:02.170
  • - Jad Gillies: Hello.
  • 00:37:02.170 --> 00:37:03.030
  • I have a microphone, Joel.
  • 00:37:03.030 --> 00:37:04.140
  • - Mel: Ha ha ha ha.
  • 00:37:04.140 --> 00:37:06.000
  • - Jad: I don't want Joel to hit
  • 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.280
  • me with his microphone.
  • 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:07.260
  • - Mel: Oh, okay my bad.
  • 00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:09.120
  • Tell us.
  • 00:37:09.120 --> 00:37:09.280
  • - Jad: Well, this is something
  • 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.010
  • very special.
  • 00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:11.290
  • We actually got to go to Israel
  • 00:37:11.290 --> 00:37:13.230
  • and record this.
  • 00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:15.120
  • We got to record different
  • 00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:16.240
  • versions and arrangements of
  • 00:37:16.240 --> 00:37:18.080
  • the Empire songs in and around
  • 00:37:18.080 --> 00:37:20.220
  • Israel, in special places like
  • 00:37:20.220 --> 00:37:22.110
  • the Sea of Galilee,
  • 00:37:22.110 --> 00:37:23.240
  • in Jerusalem, a garden tomb,
  • 00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:26.120
  • you know, Olive garden,
  • 00:37:26.120 --> 00:37:27.170
  • things like that,
  • 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:28.190
  • Mount of the Beatitudes.
  • 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:30.080
  • Pretty exciting stuff,
  • 00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:31.140
  • but to be honest, we thought,
  • 00:37:31.140 --> 00:37:32.190
  • "This is gonna be great,
  • 00:37:32.190 --> 00:37:34.040
  • you know?"
  • 00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:34.260
  • Once we got there, we were kind
  • 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.080
  • of freaked out about, like,
  • 00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:37.280
  • just how amazing it all was and
  • 00:37:38.040 --> 00:37:41.040
  • how--it just really connected
  • 00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:43.220
  • with us to be where Jesus walked
  • 00:37:43.220 --> 00:37:46.210
  • and to meditate on the things
  • 00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:47.230
  • that he talked about,
  • 00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:49.000
  • and the things that he taught,
  • 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:50.200
  • and the things that now we sing
  • 00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:52.070
  • about, and that form what we
  • 00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:54.010
  • believe, and what we believe,
  • 00:37:54.080 --> 00:37:57.080
  • kind of, our purpose is on
  • 00:37:57.080 --> 00:37:58.100
  • this earth.
  • 00:37:58.100 --> 00:38:00.060
  • So, this is exciting for us.
  • 00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:02.090
  • - Steve: I absolutely love
  • 00:38:02.090 --> 00:38:03.020
  • the way this looks and I love
  • 00:38:03.020 --> 00:38:04.060
  • the new arrangements of these
  • 00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:05.200
  • songs.
  • 00:38:05.200 --> 00:38:06.220
  • There's one moment there,
  • 00:38:06.220 --> 00:38:08.060
  • "Touch the Sky,"
  • 00:38:08.060 --> 00:38:09.180
  • you're on an iPad, right?
  • 00:38:09.180 --> 00:38:12.060
  • And it's just you on guitar,
  • 00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:13.160
  • and you on a vocal,
  • 00:38:13.160 --> 00:38:14.050
  • and it's fantastic.
  • 00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:16.050
  • Tell us about that moment,
  • 00:38:16.050 --> 00:38:16.210
  • all right?
  • 00:38:16.210 --> 00:38:17.060
  • - Joel: Well, we had a plan,
  • 00:38:17.060 --> 00:38:18.180
  • and the plan was, like--well,
  • 00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:20.090
  • it was just a dream to even get
  • 00:38:20.090 --> 00:38:21.060
  • there.
  • 00:38:21.060 --> 00:38:22.190
  • And the goal was to try and
  • 00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:23.160
  • record, you know, as many songs
  • 00:38:23.160 --> 00:38:24.240
  • as we could, but in a few
  • 00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:25.150
  • locations.
  • 00:38:25.150 --> 00:38:26.050
  • When we got there, we realized
  • 00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:26.260
  • the whole thing's one giant,
  • 00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:28.100
  • amazing location.
  • 00:38:28.100 --> 00:38:29.110
  • And then, it just blew out and
  • 00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:31.080
  • we just kinda like--so, for
  • 00:38:31.080 --> 00:38:32.190
  • example, we'd planned to do
  • 00:38:32.190 --> 00:38:34.190
  • "Touch the Sky" up on the cliffs
  • 00:38:34.190 --> 00:38:36.040
  • of Mount Arbel overlooking
  • 00:38:36.040 --> 00:38:37.080
  • the Sea of Galilee and with
  • 00:38:37.080 --> 00:38:39.040
  • the Mount of Beatitudes
  • 00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:39.260
  • in the background.
  • 00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:40.170
  • And I mean, it was crazy getting
  • 00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:41.190
  • up there 'cause, you know,
  • 00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:42.130
  • it's tourists and stuff.
  • 00:38:42.130 --> 00:38:43.080
  • And like, you don't want a bunch
  • 00:38:43.080 --> 00:38:44.130
  • of tourists, like, rolling
  • 00:38:44.130 --> 00:38:45.070
  • around when you're trying
  • 00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:46.030
  • to create these videos.
  • 00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:46.250
  • We wanted to, like--so we had,
  • 00:38:46.250 --> 00:38:48.260
  • like, a 5-minute window before
  • 00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:50.120
  • they closed where hopefully
  • 00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:52.070
  • there was no tourists around
  • 00:38:52.070 --> 00:38:53.200
  • and we could record this song.
  • 00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:54.290
  • And we're all running up
  • 00:38:54.290 --> 00:38:55.230
  • the hill trying to get in,
  • 00:38:55.230 --> 00:38:56.210
  • and we're trying to figure out
  • 00:38:56.210 --> 00:38:57.200
  • the arrangement on the way up,
  • 00:38:57.200 --> 00:38:58.220
  • 'cause a lot of
  • 00:38:58.220 --> 00:38:59.190
  • the arrangements, like,
  • 00:38:59.190 --> 00:39:00.230
  • we'd thought about but we hadn't
  • 00:39:00.230 --> 00:39:01.230
  • actually rehearsed.
  • 00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:03.010
  • And so, the crew would be
  • 00:39:03.010 --> 00:39:04.110
  • setting up, and they would be,
  • 00:39:04.110 --> 00:39:05.080
  • like, trying to figure stuff
  • 00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:06.100
  • out, and put microphones on,
  • 00:39:06.100 --> 00:39:07.200
  • and, like, all the rest of it.
  • 00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:08.230
  • We'd be sitting there going,
  • 00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:09.120
  • "What chord is it?"
  • 00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:10.140
  • - Jad: And because it was,
  • 00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:11.180
  • like, late afternoon, the sun
  • 00:39:11.180 --> 00:39:12.200
  • was smashing us in the face, so
  • 00:39:12.200 --> 00:39:14.120
  • we were all wearing sunglasses
  • 00:39:14.120 --> 00:39:15.150
  • and we all looked like idiots.
  • 00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:16.150
  • - all: [laughing]
  • 00:39:16.150 --> 00:39:17.260
  • - Joel: The best thing about
  • 00:39:17.260 --> 00:39:18.150
  • it, I'll tell you this,
  • 00:39:18.150 --> 00:39:19.210
  • 'cause once you see,
  • 00:39:19.210 --> 00:39:20.290
  • you can't unsee it.
  • 00:39:20.290 --> 00:39:22.060
  • But if you have a look,
  • 00:39:22.060 --> 00:39:23.220
  • when we did "Touch the Sky"
  • 00:39:23.220 --> 00:39:25.050
  • on top of Mount Arbel,
  • 00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:26.080
  • everyone just, like,
  • 00:39:26.080 --> 00:39:26.290
  • grabbed something.
  • 00:39:26.290 --> 00:39:27.150
  • So, like, so, JD grabbed, like,
  • 00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:29.010
  • an egg to shake, whatever.
  • 00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:32.010
  • What happened, we're like,
  • 00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:32.190
  • "Let's do this."
  • 00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:33.100
  • But the best thing about it is
  • 00:39:33.100 --> 00:39:34.120
  • if you have a look,
  • 00:39:34.120 --> 00:39:35.230
  • Crocker--Crocker's just standing
  • 00:39:35.230 --> 00:39:38.060
  • there.
  • 00:39:38.060 --> 00:39:38.230
  • He's actually doing nothing
  • 00:39:38.230 --> 00:39:40.280
  • but looking awesome.
  • 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.090
  • And none of us realized.
  • 00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:43.290
  • No, your presence was enough.
  • 00:39:43.290 --> 00:39:44.290
  • No, it was very important, and
  • 00:39:44.290 --> 00:39:46.070
  • you brought faith to the moment.
  • 00:39:46.070 --> 00:39:48.080
  • You brought your spirit of
  • 00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:49.220
  • unity.
  • 00:39:50.180 --> 00:39:53.180
  • But the more you see it--the
  • 00:39:53.180 --> 00:39:55.080
  • more you see it, the better it
  • 00:39:55.080 --> 00:39:56.090
  • gets, 'cause he's just like,
  • 00:39:56.090 --> 00:39:57.220
  • "I don't know what to do
  • 00:39:57.220 --> 00:39:58.080
  • with my hands."
  • 00:39:58.080 --> 00:39:59.040
  • - all: [laughing]
  • 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:01.170
  • - Joel: It's the best.
  • 00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:02.100
  • But it was amazing and
  • 00:40:02.100 --> 00:40:04.100
  • we literally--everything.
  • 00:40:04.100 --> 00:40:05.170
  • We recorded everything on
  • 00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:06.170
  • location.
  • 00:40:06.170 --> 00:40:07.090
  • There's no overdubs,
  • 00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:08.020
  • there's no--like, it was just,
  • 00:40:08.020 --> 00:40:09.090
  • we got there, we recorded.
  • 00:40:09.090 --> 00:40:10.140
  • We'd probably get to sing each
  • 00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:11.140
  • thing two or three times and
  • 00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:12.240
  • were able to put it together.
  • 00:40:12.240 --> 00:40:13.170
  • - Steve: Tell us about
  • 00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:14.040
  • the "Touch the Sky" moment,
  • 00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:14.210
  • 'cause you went to the--
  • 00:40:14.210 --> 00:40:15.170
  • - Joel: Yeah, so then,
  • 00:40:15.170 --> 00:40:16.140
  • having said that.
  • 00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:17.170
  • I was getting there.
  • 00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:18.210
  • So, then, like, we had, like,
  • 00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:19.170
  • one last day.
  • 00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:20.020
  • Half the guys had gone home and
  • 00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:22.110
  • we were--the rest of us were
  • 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:23.160
  • about to head up to Lebanon.
  • 00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:25.080
  • And we went up to Masada,
  • 00:40:25.080 --> 00:40:27.020
  • which is, you know,
  • 00:40:27.020 --> 00:40:28.210
  • by the Dead Sea, and this
  • 00:40:28.210 --> 00:40:29.100
  • incredible, incredible place.
  • 00:40:29.100 --> 00:40:30.260
  • And we were sitting there, and
  • 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:31.270
  • someone said, "There's a stage."
  • 00:40:31.270 --> 00:40:33.080
  • We saw this, like, amphitheater
  • 00:40:33.080 --> 00:40:35.000
  • down there.
  • 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:36.010
  • And they said, "Yeah, they do
  • 00:40:36.010 --> 00:40:36.200
  • these big parties there,
  • 00:40:36.200 --> 00:40:37.260
  • you know?"
  • 00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:38.130
  • Like, I'm like, "Man, one,
  • 00:40:38.130 --> 00:40:40.030
  • we need to do a worship service
  • 00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:41.040
  • from the lowest place on earth,
  • 00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:42.190
  • 'cause that's awesome," but then
  • 00:40:42.190 --> 00:40:44.050
  • we're like, "We also need to do
  • 00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:45.220
  • 'Touch the Sky' from the lowest
  • 00:40:45.220 --> 00:40:46.190
  • place on earth."
  • 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:47.080
  • But, like, we had nothing left.
  • 00:40:47.080 --> 00:40:48.170
  • So, we had an acoustic guitar
  • 00:40:48.170 --> 00:40:49.270
  • and, like, two mics.
  • 00:40:49.270 --> 00:40:51.290
  • - male: And an iPad.
  • 00:40:51.290 --> 00:40:52.250
  • - Joel: Sun setting,
  • 00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:53.160
  • and we just set up, like,
  • 00:40:53.160 --> 00:40:54.270
  • in 10 minutes.
  • 00:40:54.270 --> 00:40:55.130
  • It's so windy.
  • 00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:55.280
  • - Jonathon Douglass:
  • 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:56.150
  • Michael's here.
  • 00:40:56.150 --> 00:40:57.100
  • - Joel: Cheers!
  • 00:40:57.100 --> 00:40:58.140
  • - all: Yay!
  • 00:40:58.240 --> 00:41:01.260
  • - Mel: Michael Chislett,
  • 00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:02.140
  • everybody, Michael Chislett.
  • 00:41:02.140 --> 00:41:03.020
  • - Steve: Center of the world
  • 00:41:03.020 --> 00:41:03.210
  • right here, everybody.
  • 00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:04.250
  • - Joel: And so, we recorded it
  • 00:41:04.250 --> 00:41:06.020
  • there, and it was a lot of fun.
  • 00:41:06.020 --> 00:41:08.060
  • It was an adventure.
  • 00:41:08.060 --> 00:41:09.110
  • - Mel: Is it true that you
  • 00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:10.010
  • went in a boat at, like,
  • 00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:12.020
  • 4 o'clock in the morning or
  • 00:41:12.020 --> 00:41:13.030
  • something and sung?
  • 00:41:13.030 --> 00:41:14.010
  • - Taya: Yeah, we were all
  • 00:41:14.010 --> 00:41:14.220
  • there.
  • 00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:15.080
  • It was just kinda lovely.
  • 00:41:15.080 --> 00:41:15.260
  • It made it a family experience.
  • 00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:17.010
  • But it definitely was the
  • 00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:17.270
  • most--probably the coldest
  • 00:41:17.270 --> 00:41:19.140
  • I've ever been.
  • 00:41:19.140 --> 00:41:20.140
  • And singing "Oceans" on
  • 00:41:20.140 --> 00:41:21.230
  • the Sea of Galilee and
  • 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:23.070
  • Jad singing "Captain."
  • 00:41:23.070 --> 00:41:24.240
  • - Joel: We wanted to try and
  • 00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:25.120
  • catch sunrise, which is a great
  • 00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:27.230
  • idea until you realize how fast
  • 00:41:27.230 --> 00:41:29.070
  • the sun rises and how long
  • 00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:30.220
  • "Oceans" is.
  • 00:41:30.220 --> 00:41:33.000
  • So, it was like, we got one shot
  • 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:33.270
  • at this.
  • 00:41:33.270 --> 00:41:35.040
  • You know what's crazy though?
  • 00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:35.270
  • - Jad: Kinda just drift off.
  • 00:41:35.270 --> 00:41:37.210
  • - Joel: Like, just the fact
  • 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:39.050
  • that it happened, like, I felt
  • 00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:41.040
  • like God's wind was at our back
  • 00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:42.010
  • the entire time because the
  • 00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:43.090
  • circumstances--like, even
  • 00:41:43.090 --> 00:41:44.230
  • the weather, all these different
  • 00:41:44.230 --> 00:41:45.220
  • things, just like, it was like
  • 00:41:45.220 --> 00:41:46.220
  • God was in this thing all
  • 00:41:46.220 --> 00:41:48.060
  • the way.
  • 00:41:48.060 --> 00:41:48.220
  • Like, when we did "Empires"
  • 00:41:48.220 --> 00:41:50.020
  • the first time, we always had in
  • 00:41:50.020 --> 00:41:50.280
  • mind to reimagine the songs in
  • 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.140
  • a certain way, and the dream was
  • 00:41:52.140 --> 00:41:53.260
  • to do this because the whole
  • 00:41:53.260 --> 00:41:55.100
  • project, "Empires," was kind of
  • 00:41:55.100 --> 00:41:56.240
  • formulated out of Matthew 5,
  • 00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:59.100
  • Sermon on the Mount,
  • 00:41:59.100 --> 00:42:00.190
  • and the life of Jesus.
  • 00:42:00.190 --> 00:42:02.060
  • To actually be there and to see
  • 00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:03.170
  • this kind of come out of it, it
  • 00:42:03.170 --> 00:42:04.280
  • felt like, maybe, I think we'd
  • 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.100
  • all probably agree, probably
  • 00:42:07.100 --> 00:42:08.090
  • the most special thing that
  • 00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:09.130
  • we've ever been a part of.
  • 00:42:09.130 --> 00:42:10.160
  • Even just as friends, the team,
  • 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:13.100
  • the production guys, everyone
  • 00:42:13.100 --> 00:42:15.240
  • just stepped up to the plate.
  • 00:42:15.240 --> 00:42:16.190
  • No one slept.
  • 00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:17.200
  • No one--everyone was just
  • 00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:19.030
  • working to the same end
  • 00:42:19.030 --> 00:42:19.260
  • and it was amazing.
  • 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:21.180
  • - Steve: Listen, guys.
  • 00:42:21.180 --> 00:42:22.030
  • You guys are about to get on
  • 00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:22.250
  • the road, right?
  • 00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:23.120
  • You're about to go on tour after
  • 00:42:23.120 --> 00:42:24.030
  • Conference.
  • 00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:25.170
  • Tell us about that.
  • 00:42:25.170 --> 00:42:26.100
  • Where are you going?
  • 00:42:26.100 --> 00:42:27.010
  • JD?
  • 00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:27.160
  • - JD: Yeah, we're going--we're
  • 00:42:27.160 --> 00:42:28.110
  • heading back to
  • 00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:28.270
  • the United States of America.
  • 00:42:28.270 --> 00:42:30.020
  • We've kind of been doing
  • 00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:31.080
  • the Empires Tour in three parts,
  • 00:42:31.080 --> 00:42:32.290
  • kind of three legs, and so it's
  • 00:42:32.290 --> 00:42:34.240
  • the final leg for us in America.
  • 00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:36.130
  • And the reason that we do
  • 00:42:36.130 --> 00:42:37.280
  • everything that we do is that it
  • 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.280
  • comes from our encounter with
  • 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:40.230
  • Jesus.
  • 00:42:40.230 --> 00:42:41.170
  • And we go and we leave our
  • 00:42:41.170 --> 00:42:42.230
  • families because we just believe
  • 00:42:42.230 --> 00:42:44.060
  • that God has the most incredible
  • 00:42:44.060 --> 00:42:45.210
  • plan for every single person.
  • 00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:47.080
  • And so, that's why we're out
  • 00:42:47.080 --> 00:42:48.130
  • there and, you know, doing what
  • 00:42:48.130 --> 00:42:49.220
  • we do.
  • 00:42:49.220 --> 00:42:50.090
  • And kinda tangibly getting to
  • 00:42:50.090 --> 00:42:51.190
  • see people encounter God and
  • 00:42:51.190 --> 00:42:53.070
  • hear that message of hope, hear
  • 00:42:53.070 --> 00:42:54.280
  • that message of peace in the
  • 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.270
  • middle of a world that is just
  • 00:42:55.270 --> 00:42:57.060
  • going crazy at the moment and is
  • 00:42:57.060 --> 00:42:58.170
  • so gripped by fear, that's such
  • 00:42:58.170 --> 00:43:00.070
  • an honor for us to be a part of.
  • 00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:01.150
  • Just helping people and pointing
  • 00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.240
  • people to Jesus, 'cause we know
  • 00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:04.070
  • he's changed our lives and
  • 00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:05.050
  • we know he can do it for others.
  • 00:43:05.050 --> 00:43:06.180
  • So, we're having a lot of fun
  • 00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:07.170
  • doing it.
  • 00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:08.240
  • - Steve: Love you guys.
  • 00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:09.090
  • Thanks for coming down.
  • 00:43:09.090 --> 00:43:10.010
  • - Joel: Yes.
  • 00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:10.170
  • - JD: Good to see you.
  • 00:43:10.170 --> 00:43:12.060
  • - female announcer: After the
  • 00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:12.290
  • break.
  • 00:43:12.290 --> 00:43:14.040
  • - Terry: The kind of story
  • 00:43:14.040 --> 00:43:14.270
  • you're about to share with us is
  • 00:43:14.270 --> 00:43:16.030
  • not one that many people in
  • 00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:17.130
  • the Western world are that
  • 00:43:17.130 --> 00:43:18.220
  • familiar with.
  • 00:43:18.220 --> 00:43:19.270
  • So, the story is you had an
  • 00:43:19.270 --> 00:43:22.140
  • arranged marriage.
  • 00:43:22.140 --> 00:43:23.180
  • - Biju: That's right.
  • 00:43:23.180 --> 00:43:24.130
  • That's right.
  • 00:43:24.130 --> 00:43:25.010
  • - Niyah: Thank you so much for
  • 00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:38.290
  • joining us today, Biju.
  • 00:43:38.290 --> 00:43:40.220
  • I'm excited that you're here.
  • 00:43:40.220 --> 00:43:42.040
  • I love the work that you're
  • 00:43:42.040 --> 00:43:43.040
  • doing in Mumbai and across
  • 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:45.090
  • India, some of the cities
  • 00:43:45.090 --> 00:43:46.090
  • in India.
  • 00:43:46.090 --> 00:43:47.070
  • Tell us about your family.
  • 00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:48.160
  • How did you bring them on
  • 00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:49.180
  • the journey of, you know,
  • 00:43:49.180 --> 00:43:50.290
  • even starting Vision Rescue
  • 00:43:50.290 --> 00:43:52.120
  • and everything.
  • 00:43:52.120 --> 00:43:53.130
  • - Biju: I have a beautiful
  • 00:43:53.130 --> 00:43:54.060
  • family.
  • 00:43:54.060 --> 00:43:55.020
  • One wife and three children,
  • 00:43:55.020 --> 00:43:56.150
  • three boys.
  • 00:43:56.150 --> 00:43:57.060
  • - Terry: That's the way to
  • 00:43:57.060 --> 00:43:57.230
  • keep it.
  • 00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:58.150
  • - Niyah: I love that, one wife.
  • 00:43:58.150 --> 00:44:00.180
  • - Biju: Eldest is 16, 14,
  • 00:44:00.180 --> 00:44:02.250
  • and the youngest one is 5.
  • 00:44:02.250 --> 00:44:04.180
  • So, when God first began to talk
  • 00:44:04.180 --> 00:44:06.220
  • to me about Vision Rescue,
  • 00:44:06.220 --> 00:44:07.180
  • I was not even married.
  • 00:44:07.180 --> 00:44:09.040
  • I kept pushing it away, but
  • 00:44:09.040 --> 00:44:11.040
  • everything became personal when
  • 00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:12.100
  • I had children.
  • 00:44:12.100 --> 00:44:14.150
  • By the time God really placed it
  • 00:44:14.150 --> 00:44:17.100
  • strong in my heart, we had
  • 00:44:17.100 --> 00:44:18.080
  • two children, our first two.
  • 00:44:18.080 --> 00:44:20.160
  • And I really felt God was
  • 00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:21.140
  • asking, "If it was your children
  • 00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:25.010
  • and if you had the resource to
  • 00:44:25.010 --> 00:44:26.190
  • stop them dying of malnutrition,
  • 00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:29.190
  • from being exploited,
  • 00:44:29.270 --> 00:44:32.270
  • would you do something?"
  • 00:44:32.270 --> 00:44:34.050
  • I said, "I would do everything
  • 00:44:34.050 --> 00:44:35.030
  • possible."
  • 00:44:35.030 --> 00:44:36.120
  • So, that was a trigger to start
  • 00:44:36.120 --> 00:44:38.090
  • Vision Rescue.
  • 00:44:38.090 --> 00:44:39.200
  • So, my family has been very much
  • 00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:40.270
  • part of Vision Rescue right from
  • 00:44:40.270 --> 00:44:42.220
  • the beginning.
  • 00:44:42.220 --> 00:44:43.190
  • My wife and I met for the first
  • 00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:46.060
  • time just 3 weeks before we were
  • 00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:48.170
  • married.
  • 00:44:48.170 --> 00:44:49.100
  • - Terry: Let's talk about that.
  • 00:44:49.100 --> 00:44:51.010
  • It's just great to see you guys
  • 00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:53.000
  • in love and then to hear
  • 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.240
  • the story.
  • 00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:55.260
  • So, the story is,
  • 00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:57.100
  • you had an arranged marriage.
  • 00:44:57.100 --> 00:44:59.100
  • - Biju: That's right.
  • 00:44:59.100 --> 00:44:59.260
  • That's right.
  • 00:44:59.260 --> 00:45:01.070
  • - Niyah: Tell us about that.
  • 00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:02.240
  • - Biju: That's right.
  • 00:45:02.240 --> 00:45:03.090
  • Well, through a common friend of
  • 00:45:03.090 --> 00:45:04.230
  • our families, we heard about her
  • 00:45:04.230 --> 00:45:07.210
  • and her family.
  • 00:45:07.210 --> 00:45:08.090
  • And my mom went to her church,
  • 00:45:08.090 --> 00:45:09.230
  • and saw her, and liked her.
  • 00:45:09.230 --> 00:45:11.190
  • And the family saw--my whole
  • 00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:14.070
  • family went to her home.
  • 00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:15.140
  • I met her in front
  • 00:45:15.140 --> 00:45:16.070
  • of the whole family.
  • 00:45:16.070 --> 00:45:16.290
  • Normally, usually, I would get
  • 00:45:16.290 --> 00:45:18.090
  • a chance to, you know,
  • 00:45:18.090 --> 00:45:20.040
  • talk to her,
  • 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:20.230
  • have a private chat, but that
  • 00:45:20.230 --> 00:45:22.190
  • day, we were on the way to
  • 00:45:22.190 --> 00:45:23.160
  • the airport.
  • 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:24.120
  • My dad had just had a heart,
  • 00:45:24.120 --> 00:45:25.100
  • you know, treatment,
  • 00:45:25.100 --> 00:45:26.090
  • and we had to take him away,
  • 00:45:26.090 --> 00:45:27.260
  • and so we didn't have much time.
  • 00:45:27.260 --> 00:45:29.210
  • So, we just got 15 minutes.
  • 00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:31.220
  • - Terry: It is the speed dating
  • 00:45:31.220 --> 00:45:33.100
  • equivalent of an arranged
  • 00:45:33.100 --> 00:45:34.180
  • marriage, ha ha ha ha.
  • 00:45:34.180 --> 00:45:37.010
  • - Biju: And then, you know,
  • 00:45:37.010 --> 00:45:38.230
  • I didn't even get to talk to her
  • 00:45:38.230 --> 00:45:39.180
  • privately.
  • 00:45:39.180 --> 00:45:40.030
  • So, I saw her, she's beautiful,
  • 00:45:40.030 --> 00:45:42.280
  • you know?
  • 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:43.200
  • And then that night,
  • 00:45:43.200 --> 00:45:44.220
  • my dad told me, from our family,
  • 00:45:44.220 --> 00:45:46.140
  • "We all like the girl.
  • 00:45:46.140 --> 00:45:47.130
  • We like the family.
  • 00:45:47.130 --> 00:45:48.190
  • So, it's up to you.
  • 00:45:48.190 --> 00:45:49.270
  • So, you have 24 hours.
  • 00:45:49.270 --> 00:45:51.100
  • Pray, and decide,
  • 00:45:51.100 --> 00:45:51.290
  • and get back to me."
  • 00:45:51.290 --> 00:45:53.200
  • So, I prayed, and you know,
  • 00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:55.000
  • God really gave me a peace.
  • 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.100
  • And she had to get more
  • 00:45:56.100 --> 00:45:58.180
  • confirmation from the Lord.
  • 00:45:58.180 --> 00:46:00.140
  • - Niyah: Of course we do.
  • 00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:01.150
  • Of course, women,
  • 00:46:01.150 --> 00:46:02.030
  • we take a little bit of time.
  • 00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:03.150
  • - Terry: Absolutely.
  • 00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:04.080
  • And the amazing thing is,
  • 00:46:04.080 --> 00:46:05.070
  • we don't believe in luck,
  • 00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:06.270
  • but he lucked out.
  • 00:46:06.270 --> 00:46:07.270
  • I mean, God's favor and grace
  • 00:46:07.270 --> 00:46:09.240
  • was upon him.
  • 00:46:09.240 --> 00:46:10.160
  • - Biju: Well, it's just
  • 00:46:10.160 --> 00:46:11.030
  • amazing.
  • 00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:11.190
  • From the time we first met
  • 00:46:11.190 --> 00:46:13.290
  • till the day we got married,
  • 00:46:13.290 --> 00:46:15.010
  • it was less than 3 weeks.
  • 00:46:15.010 --> 00:46:16.060
  • - Terry: Three weeks.
  • 00:46:16.060 --> 00:46:17.040
  • - Biju: So, the first time we
  • 00:46:17.040 --> 00:46:17.230
  • ever held hands was the day we
  • 00:46:17.230 --> 00:46:19.180
  • got married, when my dad made us
  • 00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:21.140
  • say the wedding covenant.
  • 00:46:21.140 --> 00:46:23.200
  • So, we've been married almost
  • 00:46:23.200 --> 00:46:25.130
  • 17 years, and God's been
  • 00:46:25.130 --> 00:46:27.190
  • incredibly good.
  • 00:46:27.190 --> 00:46:28.190
  • She's been such a blessing.
  • 00:46:28.190 --> 00:46:30.050
  • I tell my parents, "This is the
  • 00:46:30.050 --> 00:46:31.220
  • best decision you ever made."
  • 00:46:31.220 --> 00:46:33.050
  • Ha ha ha ha.
  • 00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:35.010
  • - Terry: Do you think that's
  • 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:35.190
  • something you'll do with your
  • 00:46:35.190 --> 00:46:36.110
  • kids?
  • 00:46:36.110 --> 00:46:37.080
  • - Biju: I would love to
  • 00:46:37.080 --> 00:46:38.000
  • arrange.
  • 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:38.280
  • - Terry: You would.
  • 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:39.130
  • - Biju: I would love to arrange
  • 00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:40.050
  • for my kids.
  • 00:46:40.050 --> 00:46:41.000
  • - Niyah: The truth is out
  • 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:41.160
  • there.
  • 00:46:41.160 --> 00:46:42.120
  • - Biju: They have to cooperate.
  • 00:46:42.120 --> 00:46:43.040
  • I would love--the thing is,
  • 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:44.030
  • you know, it's not forced.
  • 00:46:44.030 --> 00:46:46.090
  • - Niyah: You set up the intro.
  • 00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:47.160
  • - Biju: Exactly.
  • 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:48.060
  • - Niyah: It just happened.
  • 00:46:48.060 --> 00:46:49.210
  • Oh, what are you doing here?
  • 00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:50.260
  • - Biju: Well, as Christians,
  • 00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:51.210
  • the boy and the girl,
  • 00:46:51.210 --> 00:46:52.120
  • we have a choice,
  • 00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:53.220
  • and of course God is involved.
  • 00:46:53.220 --> 00:46:55.100
  • We see God, we listen to our
  • 00:46:55.100 --> 00:46:57.010
  • parents, you know, allow them
  • 00:46:57.010 --> 00:46:58.140
  • to speak into the situation.
  • 00:46:58.140 --> 00:47:00.060
  • At the end of the day,
  • 00:47:00.060 --> 00:47:00.280
  • we make the decision,
  • 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.090
  • but we really allow our parents
  • 00:47:02.090 --> 00:47:03.270
  • or elders to really speak into
  • 00:47:03.270 --> 00:47:06.260
  • our lives.
  • 00:47:06.260 --> 00:47:07.180
  • - Niyah: Now, let me ask you,
  • 00:47:07.180 --> 00:47:08.140
  • what's some of the hard things
  • 00:47:08.140 --> 00:47:09.180
  • that you've had to deal with,
  • 00:47:09.180 --> 00:47:10.230
  • challenging things,
  • 00:47:10.230 --> 00:47:11.270
  • with Vision Rescue?
  • 00:47:11.270 --> 00:47:14.070
  • - Biju: One of the most
  • 00:47:14.070 --> 00:47:16.040
  • difficult, but necessary things
  • 00:47:16.040 --> 00:47:18.260
  • of doing the kind of work that
  • 00:47:18.260 --> 00:47:20.090
  • we do is to learn to live
  • 00:47:20.090 --> 00:47:22.200
  • disturbed.
  • 00:47:22.200 --> 00:47:24.060
  • Learn to live uncomfortable.
  • 00:47:24.060 --> 00:47:26.020
  • You know, you have family,
  • 00:47:26.020 --> 00:47:26.290
  • you have to raise your family,
  • 00:47:26.290 --> 00:47:27.260
  • you have to, you know, give good
  • 00:47:27.260 --> 00:47:29.180
  • education to the children,
  • 00:47:29.180 --> 00:47:30.290
  • look after them.
  • 00:47:30.290 --> 00:47:32.040
  • At the same time, you are
  • 00:47:32.040 --> 00:47:32.230
  • constantly confronted with
  • 00:47:33.050 --> 00:47:36.050
  • situations where, you know,
  • 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:38.010
  • you're disturbed.
  • 00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:39.070
  • You know, you see, every day you
  • 00:47:39.070 --> 00:47:40.180
  • walk out of the house, you see
  • 00:47:40.180 --> 00:47:42.090
  • children being exploited.
  • 00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:43.170
  • So, there is a possibility that
  • 00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:45.250
  • you kind of are taking on
  • 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:47.290
  • a guilt trip, you know?
  • 00:47:47.290 --> 00:47:49.240
  • But you have to really stay out
  • 00:47:49.240 --> 00:47:51.270
  • of the temptation, really
  • 00:47:51.270 --> 00:47:53.230
  • make sure that this is right,
  • 00:47:53.240 --> 00:47:56.240
  • you know?
  • 00:47:56.240 --> 00:47:57.110
  • Living a blessed life is right.
  • 00:47:57.110 --> 00:47:59.050
  • My goal is to really lift them
  • 00:47:59.050 --> 00:48:00.200
  • up to where I am.
  • 00:48:00.200 --> 00:48:03.120
  • One of the things that God spoke
  • 00:48:03.120 --> 00:48:04.060
  • to me is if you are not
  • 00:48:04.060 --> 00:48:05.260
  • affected, you can't be
  • 00:48:05.260 --> 00:48:07.060
  • effective.
  • 00:48:07.060 --> 00:48:08.220
  • You have the peace of God
  • 00:48:08.220 --> 00:48:09.210
  • in your heart.
  • 00:48:09.210 --> 00:48:10.160
  • You know that God wants you to
  • 00:48:10.160 --> 00:48:11.280
  • live a blessed life.
  • 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.100
  • At the same time, you have to
  • 00:48:14.100 --> 00:48:15.270
  • allow yourself to be constantly
  • 00:48:15.270 --> 00:48:17.230
  • affected by what you see
  • 00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:19.230
  • outside.
  • 00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:21.060
  • So, I don't know if it makes
  • 00:48:21.060 --> 00:48:21.270
  • sense, but it's a mix of all
  • 00:48:21.270 --> 00:48:23.290
  • these things.
  • 00:48:23.290 --> 00:48:24.200
  • - Terry: It's about being
  • 00:48:24.200 --> 00:48:25.100
  • empowered.
  • 00:48:25.100 --> 00:48:25.260
  • It's about allowing the need to
  • 00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.110
  • translate into compassion that
  • 00:48:27.110 --> 00:48:29.080
  • empowers you to make a
  • 00:48:29.080 --> 00:48:30.110
  • difference, because it can be
  • 00:48:30.110 --> 00:48:31.240
  • overwhelming, and especially in
  • 00:48:31.240 --> 00:48:33.130
  • the kind of circumstances that
  • 00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:34.210
  • you're in.
  • 00:48:34.210 --> 00:48:35.100
  • - Biju: But if I don't stand
  • 00:48:35.100 --> 00:48:35.280
  • up, I can't lift anybody up.
  • 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.010
  • You know?
  • 00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:38.170
  • So, before I lift somebody up,
  • 00:48:38.170 --> 00:48:39.290
  • I need to stand up myself.
  • 00:48:39.290 --> 00:48:40.270
  • - Niyah: That's right.
  • 00:48:40.270 --> 00:48:42.050
  • Terry, I have this question
  • 00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:43.070
  • that's burning on the inside of
  • 00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:44.050
  • me that I have to ask you, Biju.
  • 00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:45.250
  • There's plenty of people that
  • 00:48:45.250 --> 00:48:46.240
  • are out there that have visions
  • 00:48:46.240 --> 00:48:48.070
  • and dreams in their heart that
  • 00:48:48.070 --> 00:48:49.120
  • God has placed in them, that
  • 00:48:49.120 --> 00:48:50.200
  • they wanna do something in maybe
  • 00:48:50.200 --> 00:48:51.270
  • the third world or even in their
  • 00:48:51.270 --> 00:48:53.010
  • backyard.
  • 00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:54.070
  • But then all of a sudden, you
  • 00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:55.110
  • start to overthink, like, "Okay,
  • 00:48:55.110 --> 00:48:57.140
  • how in the world am I gonna
  • 00:48:57.140 --> 00:48:58.240
  • possibly do this?
  • 00:48:58.240 --> 00:48:59.160
  • Where am I gonna get the money
  • 00:48:59.160 --> 00:49:00.120
  • from?"
  • 00:49:00.120 --> 00:49:00.290
  • Now, Vision Rescue,
  • 00:49:00.290 --> 00:49:02.030
  • I look at it, I'm like, "Wow."
  • 00:49:02.030 --> 00:49:03.220
  • I can only imagine when God
  • 00:49:03.220 --> 00:49:05.030
  • dropped that into your spirit
  • 00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:06.220
  • as far as, like,
  • 00:49:06.220 --> 00:49:07.150
  • "Wow, this is great."
  • 00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:08.180
  • Have you--did you have to deal
  • 00:49:08.180 --> 00:49:09.280
  • with all the, like, doubts,
  • 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.230
  • like, "How am I gonna do this?"
  • 00:49:11.230 --> 00:49:13.100
  • What would you say to our
  • 00:49:13.100 --> 00:49:14.060
  • viewers at home that have this
  • 00:49:14.060 --> 00:49:16.070
  • dream in their heart, this
  • 00:49:16.070 --> 00:49:17.090
  • vision that God has given them,
  • 00:49:17.090 --> 00:49:18.120
  • but they're kinda hesitant
  • 00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:19.150
  • because they're just like,
  • 00:49:19.150 --> 00:49:20.190
  • "[gasping] I don't know how
  • 00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:21.240
  • I'm gonna even do this.
  • 00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:22.230
  • Where do I begin?"
  • 00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:23.270
  • What would you say?
  • 00:49:23.270 --> 00:49:24.270
  • - Biju: In one of the messages
  • 00:49:24.270 --> 00:49:25.170
  • that Pastor Brian preached has
  • 00:49:25.170 --> 00:49:27.200
  • been one of the biggest
  • 00:49:27.200 --> 00:49:28.090
  • motivation.
  • 00:49:28.090 --> 00:49:29.180
  • He said the message is,
  • 00:49:29.180 --> 00:49:31.030
  • "Use what's in your hand to get
  • 00:49:31.030 --> 00:49:32.290
  • what's in your heart."
  • 00:49:32.290 --> 00:49:34.080
  • You know, God places something
  • 00:49:34.080 --> 00:49:35.070
  • in your heart, but he also gives
  • 00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:37.070
  • something in your hand.
  • 00:49:37.070 --> 00:49:38.120
  • For Moses, it was a dry stick.
  • 00:49:38.120 --> 00:49:40.140
  • For us, we have to just look
  • 00:49:40.140 --> 00:49:42.000
  • at what can we do.
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.010
  • Instead of what we cannot do,
  • 00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:45.240
  • look at what we can do.
  • 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:46.260
  • So, when we do what we can do,
  • 00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:48.220
  • God always does what we cannot
  • 00:49:48.220 --> 00:49:50.050
  • do.
  • 00:49:50.050 --> 00:49:51.080
  • So, we started with feeding
  • 00:49:51.080 --> 00:49:52.250
  • six children some snacks that
  • 00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:55.040
  • we bought from a street vendor.
  • 00:49:55.040 --> 00:49:57.100
  • That is something that I could
  • 00:49:57.100 --> 00:49:58.000
  • do out of my own pocket.
  • 00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:59.230
  • So, we took the first step and
  • 00:49:59.230 --> 00:50:01.190
  • we saw God coming through.
  • 00:50:01.190 --> 00:50:03.110
  • So, I would say to everybody
  • 00:50:03.110 --> 00:50:05.000
  • who's wanting to start,
  • 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.090
  • just take the first step.
  • 00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:07.110
  • But before you take
  • 00:50:07.110 --> 00:50:08.060
  • the first step, ask questions.
  • 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:09.240
  • So many times, we can assume
  • 00:50:09.240 --> 00:50:11.000
  • that this is the problem and
  • 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.030
  • start giving an answer to
  • 00:50:13.030 --> 00:50:15.060
  • a wrong question.
  • 00:50:15.060 --> 00:50:17.010
  • You know, so before we ever
  • 00:50:17.010 --> 00:50:18.240
  • started, we just went out
  • 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:20.160
  • and asked questions.
  • 00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:21.190
  • What?
  • 00:50:21.190 --> 00:50:22.050
  • Why?
  • 00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:22.240
  • How?
  • 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:23.110
  • Where?
  • 00:50:23.110 --> 00:50:24.070
  • And went to the grassroot
  • 00:50:24.070 --> 00:50:25.140
  • of the problem, and then, okay,
  • 00:50:25.140 --> 00:50:27.160
  • this is what we need to address,
  • 00:50:27.160 --> 00:50:29.070
  • this is where we need to do,
  • 00:50:29.070 --> 00:50:30.120
  • then start with what we had.
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  • - Terry: Every great harvest
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  • begins as a tiny seed,
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  • and you guys have planted well.
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  • You're growing well.
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  • And let me just say,
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  • on behalf of Hillsong Church
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  • and the Hillsong Conference,
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  • it's a great honor to partner
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  • with you.
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  • - Biju: Thank you.
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  • - male announcer:
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  • Coming up on the next show.
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  • My soul
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  • How great your love is
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  • - Niyah: Take me on this
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  • song-writing journey,
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  • because what you don't know is
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  • that Pastor Terry actually--we
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  • were gonna do, like, a
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  • little singing.
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  • Can he come out with an album
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  • tomorrow?
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  • Is it that easy?
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  • - Ben Fielding: Look, he can.
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  • I want to give him some
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  • - female: Toilet paper!
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  • Amazing!
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  • - female: Are people really
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  • using this?
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  • - male: I hope they are.
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  • - Carl Lentz: You are doing
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  • better than you think you are
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  • and God is doing more in your
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  • life than you think he is.
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  • Someone say, "Amen" if you hear
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  • me.
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  • You're making progress because
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