Why Should I Trust A Book That Condones Slavery and Misogyny? | TBN

Why Should I Trust A Book That Condones Slavery and Misogyny?

Watch Why Should I Trust A Book That Condones Slavery and Misogyny?
August 26, 2020
27:29

Dr. Derwin Gray delivers timely messages with theological conviction on how Jesus can transform lives.

Closed captions

Why Should I Trust A Book That Condones Slavery and Misogyny?

Show timecode
Hide timecode
  • female announcer: Today on"The Transformed Life" with
  • 00:00:00.026 --> 00:00:01.628
  • Dr. Derwin L. Gray.
  • 00:00:01.661 --> 00:00:03.730
  • Derwin L. Gray: Show the world
  • 00:00:03.763 --> 00:00:05.065
  • this iswhat it looks like to be a
  • 00:00:05.098 --> 00:00:06.599
  • functioning community of peopleunder the love and grace of God,
  • 00:00:06.633 --> 00:00:12.739
  • that we treat each other equal,we treat each other as though
  • 00:00:12.772 --> 00:00:16.776
  • Jesus equally bled on us.
  • 00:00:16.810 --> 00:00:20.013
  • ♪ 'Cause I can feel itin the air, ♪
  • 00:00:20.647 --> 00:00:22.549
  • ♪ yeah, yeah. ♪
  • 00:00:22.582 --> 00:00:25.151
  • ♪ It's gonna be agood day, ♪
  • 00:00:25.185 --> 00:00:28.488
  • ♪ it's gonna be agood day, yeah. ♪♪
  • 00:00:28.521 --> 00:00:32.192
  • Derwin: Let's dive into aneasy question in our series,
  • 00:00:33.293 --> 00:00:36.062
  • "God, Why?"
  • 00:00:36.096 --> 00:00:37.664
  • We're going to answer thisquestion.
  • 00:00:37.697 --> 00:00:39.299
  • Why should I trust a book,meaning the Bible, that condones
  • 00:00:39.332 --> 00:00:43.336
  • slavery and misogyny?
  • 00:00:43.369 --> 00:00:47.340
  • Oftentimes, critics of the Bibleare people who have legitimate
  • 00:00:47.373 --> 00:00:50.009
  • questions because they've readthe Bible and not understood how
  • 00:00:50.043 --> 00:00:52.579
  • to properly interpret the Bible,will say, "Hey, well, why should
  • 00:00:52.612 --> 00:00:56.783
  • I follow the Bible?
  • 00:00:56.816 --> 00:00:58.318
  • It's an old, archaic book thatcondones slavery and also
  • 00:00:58.351 --> 00:01:02.822
  • condones misogyny.
  • 00:01:02.856 --> 00:01:05.492
  • I refuse to believe in a booklike that."
  • 00:01:05.525 --> 00:01:08.495
  • And so, the first thing we needto do is to say, "You know what?
  • 00:01:08.528 --> 00:01:11.030
  • I get what you're saying."
  • 00:01:11.064 --> 00:01:12.699
  • So, let's look at one of theclassic texts that can be
  • 00:01:12.732 --> 00:01:15.568
  • interpreted that the Biblecondones slavery.
  • 00:01:15.602 --> 00:01:19.305
  • So, let me read it first, and Iwant the weight to hit us
  • 00:01:19.339 --> 00:01:22.976
  • because automatically when wethink slavery, we think the
  • 00:01:23.009 --> 00:01:26.079
  • slavery of America, we think theslavery of the Caribbean, we
  • 00:01:26.112 --> 00:01:31.951
  • think slavery based primarily onone skin color.
  • 00:01:31.985 --> 00:01:36.589
  • And what we need to do isunderstand it from a historical
  • 00:01:36.623 --> 00:01:39.092
  • context, so let's get to thetext.
  • 00:01:39.125 --> 00:01:40.793
  • "Slaves, obey your human mastersin everything.
  • 00:01:40.827 --> 00:01:46.699
  • Don't work only while beingwatched, as people pleasers, but
  • 00:01:46.733 --> 00:01:50.970
  • work wholeheartedly, fearing theLord."
  • 00:01:51.004 --> 00:01:55.341
  • So, you can see how this textcould be used in such a way to
  • 00:01:55.375 --> 00:01:59.712
  • keep slaves in America in lineor anywhere else in the world.
  • 00:01:59.746 --> 00:02:05.685
  • But what is exactly happeninghere?
  • 00:02:05.718 --> 00:02:08.821
  • Here's something for us tounderstand.
  • 00:02:08.855 --> 00:02:10.290
  • Slavery during biblical timeswas different from slavery in
  • 00:02:10.323 --> 00:02:14.761
  • the old South.
  • 00:02:14.794 --> 00:02:16.396
  • In the old South, slavery wasbased on one's skin color.
  • 00:02:16.429 --> 00:02:21.901
  • It was deemed--the term "race"is relatively new to humanity.
  • 00:02:21.935 --> 00:02:27.307
  • It is a 16th centurysociological construct to place
  • 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:32.178
  • a hierarchy on people based onskin color, okay?
  • 00:02:32.212 --> 00:02:36.849
  • Understand this, in biblicaltimes, Medieval times, before
  • 00:02:36.883 --> 00:02:39.953
  • the enlightenment, the term"white" or the term "black"
  • 00:02:39.986 --> 00:02:43.556
  • was not used.
  • 00:02:43.590 --> 00:02:45.091
  • People from Europe were calledEuropeans.
  • 00:02:45.124 --> 00:02:47.293
  • And so, American slavery wasbased on one's race, and it was
  • 00:02:47.327 --> 00:02:52.565
  • more capturing, and stealing,and all of the horrors and the
  • 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:57.670
  • horrible things.
  • 00:02:57.704 --> 00:02:59.672
  • Slavery in the biblical timeswas different.
  • 00:02:59.706 --> 00:03:03.042
  • Eighty-five percent of theGreco-Roman world in Jesus's day
  • 00:03:03.076 --> 00:03:10.850
  • would've been considered slavesor indentured servants.
  • 00:03:10.883 --> 00:03:17.557
  • Slavery in Jesus's daywas based on
  • 00:03:17.590 --> 00:03:21.094
  • an employer-employeerelationship.
  • 00:03:21.127 --> 00:03:25.565
  • Sometimes, people were capturedin war, but the idea in the
  • 00:03:25.598 --> 00:03:28.468
  • Greco-Roman society was thatslaves could own property,
  • 00:03:28.501 --> 00:03:32.805
  • slaves could actually own otherslaves.
  • 00:03:32.839 --> 00:03:35.808
  • But understand, though, the ideais this is more of indentured
  • 00:03:35.842 --> 00:03:38.878
  • servanthood, where you arepaying off a debt, where you are
  • 00:03:38.911 --> 00:03:43.783
  • using yourself to work to earnmoney, all types of things.
  • 00:03:43.816 --> 00:03:49.455
  • And so, understanding it wasvastly different from the
  • 00:03:49.489 --> 00:03:54.327
  • heinous cruelty of the old Southslavery.
  • 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.299
  • Now, of course there were peoplein the Greco-Roman world with
  • 00:03:59.332 --> 00:04:02.769
  • jacked up hearts who were eviland mean and malicious, and
  • 00:04:02.802 --> 00:04:06.205
  • treated people who were theirservants wrongly, just like in
  • 00:04:06.239 --> 00:04:09.375
  • today's world.
  • 00:04:09.409 --> 00:04:11.344
  • But understanding this is awhole different context.
  • 00:04:11.377 --> 00:04:15.381
  • Now, as followers of Jesus,those who had status and who had
  • 00:04:15.415 --> 00:04:19.452
  • means also had servants whowould work for them.
  • 00:04:19.485 --> 00:04:23.356
  • So, how was the church to treatpeople who were their servants,
  • 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:28.461
  • who worked for them?
  • 00:04:28.494 --> 00:04:30.697
  • In Christ, there's not Greekand Jew.
  • 00:04:30.730 --> 00:04:34.534
  • So, in Christ, our ethnicdistinctions do not place one
  • 00:04:34.567 --> 00:04:39.505
  • above the other.
  • 00:04:39.539 --> 00:04:42.308
  • Our ethnic distinctions are notobliterated, our ethnic
  • 00:04:42.342 --> 00:04:45.945
  • distinctions are celebrated, butthere's oneness and there's
  • 00:04:45.978 --> 00:04:50.783
  • equality because in Christ,we all need God's grace.
  • 00:04:50.817 --> 00:04:55.988
  • In Christ, we're all covered,enrobed
  • 00:04:56.022 --> 00:04:59.559
  • in the righteousness of Christ.
  • 00:04:59.592 --> 00:05:02.161
  • Then he goes on, "In Christthere's not Greek and Jew,
  • 00:05:02.195 --> 00:05:05.698
  • circumcision anduncircumcision."
  • 00:05:05.732 --> 00:05:07.967
  • He's basically sayingthe same thing.
  • 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.836
  • Then he says barbarian.
  • 00:05:09.869 --> 00:05:11.671
  • What does this mean?
  • 00:05:11.704 --> 00:05:13.573
  • The Greeks and the Romans, whenthey met Europeans, will call
  • 00:05:13.606 --> 00:05:17.043
  • them barbarians because theirlanguage sound like they were
  • 00:05:17.076 --> 00:05:19.979
  • saying, "Bar, bar, bar."
  • 00:05:20.012 --> 00:05:21.647
  • They didn't understand them, sothey would call them barbarians.
  • 00:05:21.681 --> 00:05:25.518
  • They thought they wereuneducated, so they called them
  • 00:05:25.551 --> 00:05:28.855
  • barbarians, so that's kind of aslur.
  • 00:05:28.888 --> 00:05:31.124
  • And then the next one isScythians.
  • 00:05:31.157 --> 00:05:33.960
  • Scythians were a tribe ofpeople, and they were considered
  • 00:05:33.993 --> 00:05:37.597
  • really, really, really, reallyignorant to the Greeks
  • 00:05:37.630 --> 00:05:40.967
  • and the Romans.
  • 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.635
  • And what Paul is saying is,listen, "In Christ, there is a
  • 00:05:42.668 --> 00:05:45.538
  • new humanity of oneness and ofbeauty, and we treat each other
  • 00:05:45.571 --> 00:05:51.911
  • as though we're brothers andsisters in Christ."
  • 00:05:51.944 --> 00:05:56.249
  • We treat each other as thoughJesus actually died for the
  • 00:05:56.282 --> 00:06:01.120
  • other, which he did.
  • 00:06:01.154 --> 00:06:04.290
  • If Jesus says you're worth dyingfor, then we should see people
  • 00:06:04.323 --> 00:06:09.262
  • worth living for andappreciating.
  • 00:06:09.295 --> 00:06:13.566
  • But then, now Paul goes to thesocioeconomic status, slave or
  • 00:06:13.599 --> 00:06:18.271
  • servant and free.
  • 00:06:18.304 --> 00:06:20.039
  • So, the one with no status andthe one with high status have
  • 00:06:20.072 --> 00:06:22.975
  • the same status in Jesus.
  • 00:06:23.009 --> 00:06:25.812
  • This is developed in a Christianimagination, this is developed
  • 00:06:25.845 --> 00:06:28.881
  • in the mind of Christ that youtreat everybody equally, not
  • 00:06:28.915 --> 00:06:32.485
  • based on their job description,but based on the blood.
  • 00:06:32.518 --> 00:06:35.988
  • Let me say it one more time, youtreat everybody equally, not
  • 00:06:36.022 --> 00:06:37.824
  • based on their station in life,but based on the cross.
  • 00:06:37.857 --> 00:06:41.794
  • Not based on theiraccomplishments, but based on
  • 00:06:41.828 --> 00:06:44.530
  • the empty tomb.
  • 00:06:44.564 --> 00:06:46.332
  • Not based on anything but Jesus.
  • 00:06:46.365 --> 00:06:49.402
  • That was revolutionary in thatworld, and it should be
  • 00:06:49.435 --> 00:06:52.872
  • revolutionary in our world.
  • 00:06:52.905 --> 00:06:55.374
  • "But Christ is all and in all."
  • 00:06:55.408 --> 00:06:57.677
  • So, notice what he does here.
  • 00:06:57.710 --> 00:06:59.445
  • Ethnic distinctions, statusdistinctions, he's saying we're
  • 00:06:59.479 --> 00:07:05.218
  • different, but we have onenessbecause Christ is all in all.
  • 00:07:05.251 --> 00:07:09.155
  • "Therefore, the way you treateach other as God's chosen ones,
  • 00:07:09.188 --> 00:07:13.292
  • holy and dearly loved, put oncompassion, kindness, humility,
  • 00:07:13.326 --> 00:07:19.031
  • gentleness, and patience."
  • 00:07:19.065 --> 00:07:22.101
  • You see, this is what it meansas followers of Christ of how we
  • 00:07:22.134 --> 00:07:26.405
  • treat each other.
  • 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.775
  • Servants or slaves were anemployer-employee relationship.
  • 00:07:29.809 --> 00:07:36.249
  • How we treat those who serveunderneath is us a reflection of
  • 00:07:36.282 --> 00:07:40.987
  • who we serve above us.
  • 00:07:41.020 --> 00:07:43.289
  • So, in other words, the way weworship God should overflow into
  • 00:07:43.322 --> 00:07:46.192
  • how we treat those that we havepower over, those that we
  • 00:07:46.225 --> 00:07:51.731
  • employ, maybe your manager,maybe--I don't know what it is,
  • 00:07:51.764 --> 00:07:55.368
  • but you got people that youinfluence.
  • 00:07:55.401 --> 00:07:57.370
  • How do we treat them?
  • 00:07:57.403 --> 00:07:58.804
  • So, slaves or servant, this isthe word "doulos, doulos."
  • 00:07:58.838 --> 00:08:01.507
  • "Slave or servant, obey yourhuman masters
  • 00:08:01.541 --> 00:08:04.343
  • with fear and trembling."
  • 00:08:04.377 --> 00:08:06.145
  • Fear and trembling simply meansrespect in the sincerity of your
  • 00:08:06.178 --> 00:08:10.216
  • heart as you would Christ.
  • 00:08:10.249 --> 00:08:11.717
  • So, let's pause here.
  • 00:08:11.751 --> 00:08:13.219
  • If you are in school, you'reunder the authority of a teacher
  • 00:08:13.252 --> 00:08:15.855
  • and the administration, so yourbehavior and how you work is
  • 00:08:15.888 --> 00:08:20.126
  • actually an act of worship.
  • 00:08:20.159 --> 00:08:24.297
  • You do it with diligence, andyou do it with excellence, and
  • 00:08:24.330 --> 00:08:27.600
  • you do it prayerfully, why?
  • 00:08:27.633 --> 00:08:29.669
  • Because you're actuallyworshipping God.
  • 00:08:29.702 --> 00:08:32.772
  • You see, our work is ourworship.
  • 00:08:32.805 --> 00:08:35.608
  • Wherever where we go,we're with God.
  • 00:08:35.641 --> 00:08:37.677
  • And God is omnipresent, we arehis temple, we are his dwelling.
  • 00:08:37.710 --> 00:08:40.980
  • And so, whatever we put ourhands to is not for the glory of
  • 00:08:41.013 --> 00:08:44.050
  • man, it's for the glory of God,which thus would make us
  • 00:08:44.083 --> 00:08:46.852
  • great employees.
  • 00:08:46.886 --> 00:08:49.789
  • Now unfortunately, often thatinterpretation has been missed,
  • 00:08:49.822 --> 00:08:54.060
  • and this was used to dominatepeople, and it's sinful
  • 00:08:54.093 --> 00:08:58.464
  • and it's wrong.
  • 00:08:58.497 --> 00:09:00.466
  • Verse 6, "Do not work only whilebeing watched as
  • 00:09:00.499 --> 00:09:03.970
  • people-pleasers, butas slaves of Christ.
  • 00:09:04.003 --> 00:09:08.307
  • Do God's will from your heart.
  • 00:09:08.341 --> 00:09:11.644
  • Serve with a good attitude tothe Lord and not to people,
  • 00:09:11.677 --> 00:09:16.949
  • knowing that whatever good eachone does, slave or free."
  • 00:09:16.983 --> 00:09:20.653
  • So, notice this is speaking toall of us, and the way Paul is
  • 00:09:20.686 --> 00:09:23.956
  • describing this is revolutionary2.000 years ago,
  • 00:09:23.990 --> 00:09:27.493
  • and it's revolutionary now.
  • 00:09:27.526 --> 00:09:29.228
  • Here's a question, if you are afollower of Jesus and you manage
  • 00:09:29.261 --> 00:09:32.298
  • people, what would theysay about you?
  • 00:09:32.331 --> 00:09:35.468
  • What's different aboutthe way you lead?
  • 00:09:35.501 --> 00:09:39.605
  • What's different aboutthe way you serve?
  • 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:41.707
  • What's different about the wayyou treat employees when they
  • 00:09:41.741 --> 00:09:44.110
  • don't live up to expectations?
  • 00:09:44.143 --> 00:09:46.112
  • How do you coach them?
  • 00:09:46.145 --> 00:09:47.480
  • How do you comfort them?How do you care for them?
  • 00:09:47.513 --> 00:09:50.349
  • Also, how do you serve and honorthe person you work under?
  • 00:09:50.383 --> 00:10:00.092
  • Do you see it just as apaycheck, or do you see
  • 00:10:00.126 --> 00:10:02.194
  • it as an act of worship?
  • 00:10:02.228 --> 00:10:04.930
  • You see, the Bible does notcondone slavery.
  • 00:10:04.964 --> 00:10:08.401
  • What the Bible does is it talksabout how we are to serve, and
  • 00:10:08.434 --> 00:10:12.171
  • to love, and to work in such away that it's worship.
  • 00:10:12.204 --> 00:10:15.574
  • Verse 9, "And masters, treatyour slaves the same way without
  • 00:10:15.608 --> 00:10:18.010
  • threatening them, because youknow that both their master and
  • 00:10:18.044 --> 00:10:22.515
  • yours is in heaven, there is nofavoritism with him."
  • 00:10:22.548 --> 00:10:26.786
  • Paul is saying, "Listen, humanbeings may have all types of
  • 00:10:26.819 --> 00:10:31.624
  • status lists, but with God, theCEO is just as important as the
  • 00:10:31.657 --> 00:10:36.195
  • garbage man.
  • 00:10:36.228 --> 00:10:38.264
  • With God, the vice president isjust as important as the teacher
  • 00:10:38.297 --> 00:10:41.400
  • who teaches kindergarten."
  • 00:10:41.434 --> 00:10:43.502
  • That in God's economy, the flooris level, there's no favoritism,
  • 00:10:43.536 --> 00:10:49.375
  • I equally love you.
  • 00:10:49.408 --> 00:10:51.210
  • The question is, how do wetreat people?
  • 00:10:51.243 --> 00:10:55.614
  • As followers of Jesus, becauseof God's grace, we have the
  • 00:10:55.648 --> 00:11:00.152
  • potential and we can be a modelfor what it looks like to work,
  • 00:11:00.186 --> 00:11:04.990
  • and to lead, and to serve insuch a way that not only do you
  • 00:11:05.024 --> 00:11:08.928
  • produce a great product, notonly do you make great food,
  • 00:11:08.961 --> 00:11:12.498
  • not only do you sell greatinsurance, not only do you do
  • 00:11:12.531 --> 00:11:14.867
  • great teaching or whatever itis, but it becomes
  • 00:11:14.900 --> 00:11:17.136
  • an act of worship.
  • 00:11:17.169 --> 00:11:19.805
  • Why?
  • 00:11:19.839 --> 00:11:21.474
  • Because it's not pleasing man,it's pleasing the Lord.
  • 00:11:21.507 --> 00:11:25.344
  • Slaves or servants were membersof God's family.
  • 00:11:25.377 --> 00:11:30.182
  • Paul expected them to be treatedwith love and equality.
  • 00:11:30.216 --> 00:11:34.787
  • The book of Philemon, the storyis a slave by
  • 00:11:34.820 --> 00:11:39.291
  • the name of Onesimus.
  • 00:11:39.325 --> 00:11:42.128
  • He ran away, he didn't likeserving where he was, he
  • 00:11:42.161 --> 00:11:47.266
  • connected with Paul, Paul taughthim the gospel, he came back to
  • 00:11:47.299 --> 00:11:51.370
  • faith, and so he's sent backnow to Philemon.
  • 00:11:51.403 --> 00:11:56.108
  • And look what Paul says, "Forperhaps this is why he was
  • 00:11:56.142 --> 00:12:01.147
  • separated from you for a brieftime, so that you might get him
  • 00:12:01.180 --> 00:12:04.750
  • back permanently, no longer asa slave, but more than a slave,
  • 00:12:04.784 --> 00:12:09.822
  • as a dearly loved brother.
  • 00:12:09.855 --> 00:12:14.193
  • He is especially so to me,but how much more to you,
  • 00:12:14.226 --> 00:12:17.997
  • both in the fleshand in the Lord?"
  • 00:12:18.030 --> 00:12:21.433
  • And so, we see one of thesebeautiful realities that in
  • 00:12:21.467 --> 00:12:23.969
  • the Greco-Roman world, slaves orservants were considered members
  • 00:12:24.003 --> 00:12:27.606
  • of the household.
  • 00:12:27.640 --> 00:12:29.175
  • And Paul kicks it up an ante, hegoes, "Not only is he a member
  • 00:12:29.208 --> 00:12:32.478
  • of your household, but if youfollow Christ and they follow
  • 00:12:32.511 --> 00:12:35.080
  • Christ, you're in the familyof God.
  • 00:12:35.114 --> 00:12:38.317
  • And you don't treat them as anemployee, you don't treat them
  • 00:12:38.350 --> 00:12:41.120
  • as an indentured servant,you treat them as a brother
  • 00:12:41.153 --> 00:12:44.323
  • or sister in Christ."
  • 00:12:44.356 --> 00:12:49.228
  • Wouldn't it be amazing that ifpeople enjoyed coming to work
  • 00:12:49.261 --> 00:12:54.900
  • because they enjoyedworking with you?
  • 00:12:54.934 --> 00:12:59.405
  • What would happen if weas followers of Christ at
  • 00:12:59.438 --> 00:13:02.074
  • Transformation Church began towork in such way and treat
  • 00:13:02.107 --> 00:13:05.711
  • people the way Jesus treats usthat people actually look
  • 00:13:05.744 --> 00:13:09.081
  • forward to working because it'smore than just money, it's about
  • 00:13:09.114 --> 00:13:13.219
  • their dignity being restored,it's about being loved,
  • 00:13:13.252 --> 00:13:15.754
  • it's about having a family?
  • 00:13:15.788 --> 00:13:17.323
  • Don't let the bottom line get inthe way of what's most
  • 00:13:17.356 --> 00:13:21.594
  • important, loving andnurturing people.
  • 00:13:21.627 --> 00:13:27.266
  • So, let's transitionto misogyny.
  • 00:13:27.299 --> 00:13:30.803
  • Does the Bible support misogyny,the mistreatment of women?
  • 00:13:30.836 --> 00:13:35.608
  • That's a great question.
  • 00:13:35.641 --> 00:13:37.710
  • And sadly, even withinChristianity, oftentimes the
  • 00:13:37.743 --> 00:13:41.947
  • Bible has been used that waywrongly, heinously, and evilly
  • 00:13:41.981 --> 00:13:47.686
  • towards women, and we wantto rectify that.
  • 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.190
  • So, you're saying, "Derwin,well, well, but Paul says in
  • 00:13:51.223 --> 00:13:53.859
  • 1 Corinthians 14:34 and 35 that,hey man, women should be
  • 00:13:53.893 --> 00:13:58.564
  • silent in the church.
  • 00:13:58.597 --> 00:14:01.100
  • So, that's kind of misogynyright there 'cause it says
  • 00:14:01.133 --> 00:14:03.903
  • it right here in the Bible."
  • 00:14:03.936 --> 00:14:05.437
  • Let's read this, Paul is writingto the Corinthian church.
  • 00:14:05.471 --> 00:14:08.440
  • And notice what Paul says here,he says, "The women should be
  • 00:14:08.474 --> 00:14:11.944
  • silent in the churches, for theyare not permitted to speak,
  • 00:14:11.977 --> 00:14:17.583
  • but are to submit themselvesas the law also says.
  • 00:14:17.616 --> 00:14:22.187
  • For if they want to learnsomething, let them ask their
  • 00:14:22.221 --> 00:14:27.059
  • own husbands at home since itis disgraceful for a woman
  • 00:14:27.092 --> 00:14:31.664
  • to speak in the church."
  • 00:14:31.697 --> 00:14:34.600
  • Wow, there it is.
  • 00:14:34.633 --> 00:14:36.368
  • Nope, there it not is.Why do I say that?
  • 00:14:36.402 --> 00:14:39.405
  • In 1 Corinthians chapter 11,verse 5, Paul tells the women,
  • 00:14:39.438 --> 00:14:44.710
  • "When you prophesy and when youpray in church."
  • 00:14:44.743 --> 00:14:49.014
  • So, how can one end Paul say besilent, and then on the other
  • 00:14:49.048 --> 00:14:51.917
  • end he says, "Women, so when youdo pray and when you do
  • 00:14:51.951 --> 00:14:55.754
  • prophesy, by the way, you haveto speak to do that."
  • 00:14:55.788 --> 00:14:58.958
  • So, something else is happeninghere.
  • 00:14:58.991 --> 00:15:01.193
  • Here's what's happening, let megive you the context.
  • 00:15:01.226 --> 00:15:03.395
  • These are young churches inCorinth, and listening to
  • 00:15:03.429 --> 00:15:06.865
  • a sermon in the ancient worldwas vastly different than
  • 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:09.935
  • listening to a sermonin our modern world.
  • 00:15:09.969 --> 00:15:13.172
  • In the ancient world, when ateacher was teaching, a student
  • 00:15:13.205 --> 00:15:16.442
  • in the middle of the speechcould stop and say,
  • 00:15:16.475 --> 00:15:19.712
  • "I got a question."
  • 00:15:19.745 --> 00:15:21.113
  • Well, in the ancient world, youhad that type of rhetorical
  • 00:15:21.146 --> 00:15:23.515
  • back and forth.
  • 00:15:23.549 --> 00:15:25.484
  • And what Paul is saying here,and here's the key,
  • 00:15:25.517 --> 00:15:28.354
  • if they want to learn.
  • 00:15:28.387 --> 00:15:31.757
  • So, Paul is saying at the timeof the teaching in the church,
  • 00:15:31.790 --> 00:15:36.195
  • that's not the time for newconverts who are yet to know
  • 00:15:36.228 --> 00:15:40.899
  • what it is to walk in Christ toask questions that could be
  • 00:15:40.933 --> 00:15:44.737
  • disruptive to the flow.
  • 00:15:44.770 --> 00:15:47.306
  • So, this is not an issue ofwomen be silent, it's an issue
  • 00:15:47.339 --> 00:15:50.876
  • of this, that when there'steaching going on and you're
  • 00:15:50.909 --> 00:15:53.679
  • asking questions that are of thebasics of the faith, do that
  • 00:15:53.712 --> 00:15:58.384
  • alone with your husband orwhoever.
  • 00:15:58.417 --> 00:16:01.453
  • The preaching and teaching timeis not the time to jump in ask
  • 00:16:01.487 --> 00:16:05.691
  • those types of questions,because what does it say?
  • 00:16:05.724 --> 00:16:08.994
  • "If they want to learn."
  • 00:16:09.028 --> 00:16:11.997
  • Also, in the ancient world,there are all types of pagan
  • 00:16:12.031 --> 00:16:16.001
  • religions, where there werewomen who would
  • 00:16:16.035 --> 00:16:21.573
  • lead these religions.
  • 00:16:21.607 --> 00:16:24.476
  • And many of the new women offaith still had to be taught out
  • 00:16:24.510 --> 00:16:28.847
  • of those things.
  • 00:16:28.881 --> 00:16:31.083
  • It reminds me of this.
  • 00:16:31.116 --> 00:16:33.485
  • It was 1998, I was a Christianfor one year.
  • 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.488
  • I was doing Bible study with theCarolina Panthers.
  • 00:16:36.522 --> 00:16:40.192
  • Before practice, about eight ornine of us met.
  • 00:16:40.225 --> 00:16:43.495
  • I was reading and studying allweek, and I wrote like a
  • 00:16:43.529 --> 00:16:46.298
  • four-page paper that I was goingto give to everybody in the
  • 00:16:46.331 --> 00:16:49.668
  • Bible study group, even though Iwasn't leading the study.
  • 00:16:49.701 --> 00:16:52.171
  • So, when we started to meet, Iproceeded to hand out all of my
  • 00:16:52.204 --> 00:16:55.207
  • papers 'cause I was going toteach that day even though the
  • 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.844
  • team chaplain did not askme to do so.
  • 00:16:58.877 --> 00:17:01.880
  • So, as I start to pass out thepapers, he started to recollect
  • 00:17:01.914 --> 00:17:05.284
  • them, and I was like, "What areyou doing?"
  • 00:17:05.317 --> 00:17:08.020
  • He says, "Well, Derwin, you needto learn some more before you
  • 00:17:08.053 --> 00:17:11.023
  • begin to try to teach."
  • 00:17:11.056 --> 00:17:14.426
  • Now, that's in essence what theApostle Paul is saying.
  • 00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:18.897
  • If they want to learn something,let them ask their
  • 00:17:18.931 --> 00:17:22.101
  • own husbands at home.
  • 00:17:22.134 --> 00:17:24.703
  • In other words, don't interruptthat teaching portion, but we
  • 00:17:24.736 --> 00:17:28.607
  • know that women taught, we knowthat women prayed out loud, we
  • 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.978
  • know that women prophesiedbecause in 1 Corinthians 11,
  • 00:17:33.011 --> 00:17:36.515
  • verse 5, Paul says it.
  • 00:17:36.548 --> 00:17:38.984
  • "Women, when you prophesy andwhen you pray."
  • 00:17:39.017 --> 00:17:41.920
  • Also, women are co-heirs withChrist and equal with their
  • 00:17:41.954 --> 00:17:48.093
  • brothers in Christ.
  • 00:17:48.127 --> 00:17:50.095
  • The Apostle Paul says this,"There is no Jew or Greek."
  • 00:17:50.129 --> 00:17:54.299
  • In other words, Jews are notsuperior to Gentiles.
  • 00:17:54.333 --> 00:17:57.603
  • Low income people are not betterthan high income people, and
  • 00:17:57.636 --> 00:18:03.542
  • high income people are notbetter than low income people.
  • 00:18:03.575 --> 00:18:06.211
  • Male and female, males are notbetter than females, and females
  • 00:18:06.245 --> 00:18:09.681
  • are not better than males sinceyou're all one in Christ Jesus.
  • 00:18:09.715 --> 00:18:14.286
  • Church, we have an opportunity.
  • 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.190
  • If you're not yet a follower ofChrist, I want you to--listen,
  • 00:18:18.223 --> 00:18:21.426
  • we have an opportunity to showthe world this is what it looks
  • 00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:23.695
  • like to be a functioningcommunity of people under the
  • 00:18:23.729 --> 00:18:28.433
  • love and grace of God, that wetreat each other equal.
  • 00:18:28.467 --> 00:18:33.705
  • We treat each other as thoughJesus equally bled on us,
  • 00:18:33.739 --> 00:18:37.643
  • male and female.
  • 00:18:37.676 --> 00:18:40.579
  • That women are co-heirs withChrist, that men and women
  • 00:18:40.612 --> 00:18:46.185
  • are equal in Christ.
  • 00:18:46.218 --> 00:18:50.389
  • Let's look at some otherexamples.
  • 00:18:50.422 --> 00:18:53.225
  • The Samaritan woman was thefirst person that Jesus told
  • 00:18:53.258 --> 00:18:58.797
  • that he was the Hamashiach orthe Messiah.
  • 00:18:58.830 --> 00:19:02.267
  • That's like a really big deal.
  • 00:19:02.301 --> 00:19:04.036
  • The first person that Jesus ofNazareth told that he was
  • 00:19:04.069 --> 00:19:06.438
  • Israel's Messiah was not aJewish man, was not a Jewish
  • 00:19:06.471 --> 00:19:10.609
  • woman, but a Samaritan woman.
  • 00:19:10.642 --> 00:19:14.279
  • Oh my gosh.
  • 00:19:14.313 --> 00:19:15.781
  • When you look at John chapter 4,verse 4, Jesus says, "And I had
  • 00:19:15.814 --> 00:19:18.684
  • to go through Samaria."
  • 00:19:18.717 --> 00:19:20.319
  • At that time, Jews would bypassSamaria to go where they needed
  • 00:19:20.352 --> 00:19:23.522
  • to go, why?
  • 00:19:23.555 --> 00:19:25.457
  • Because Samaria was filled withSamaritans.
  • 00:19:25.490 --> 00:19:27.392
  • In that culture, a Jewish man,especially a rabbi, would not
  • 00:19:27.426 --> 00:19:31.730
  • even be alone with a woman inpublic, yet Jesus is with a
  • 00:19:31.763 --> 00:19:36.768
  • Samaritan woman at a well alone.
  • 00:19:36.802 --> 00:19:41.006
  • But the Samaritan woman actuallyhad had five husbands and was
  • 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.309
  • living with a man.
  • 00:19:44.343 --> 00:19:46.511
  • Typically, we think of thatwoman as a harlot, a floosy,
  • 00:19:46.545 --> 00:19:50.482
  • a lady of the night.
  • 00:19:50.515 --> 00:19:51.950
  • But in reality, she was mostlikely the victim of
  • 00:19:51.984 --> 00:19:55.721
  • male abuse, why?
  • 00:19:55.754 --> 00:19:57.556
  • Because if she was caught inadultery, she could've been
  • 00:19:57.589 --> 00:19:59.958
  • stoned to death.
  • 00:19:59.992 --> 00:20:01.593
  • So, most likely she shacked upwith a dude because of all the
  • 00:20:01.627 --> 00:20:04.329
  • abuse that she had experienced,and she was just
  • 00:20:04.363 --> 00:20:07.199
  • trying to survive.
  • 00:20:07.232 --> 00:20:09.034
  • But then she meetsJesus at the well.
  • 00:20:09.067 --> 00:20:12.938
  • She came there to drink somewater, and Jesus came there to
  • 00:20:12.971 --> 00:20:16.675
  • meet her so that she could drinkthe living water.
  • 00:20:16.708 --> 00:20:21.446
  • Check this out.
  • 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.383
  • The woman said to him, "I knowthat the Messiah is coming who
  • 00:20:24.416 --> 00:20:26.952
  • is called the Christ.
  • 00:20:26.985 --> 00:20:28.954
  • When he comes, he will explaineverything to us."
  • 00:20:28.987 --> 00:20:31.323
  • Jesus told her, "I, the onespeaking to you, am he."
  • 00:20:31.356 --> 00:20:36.295
  • The first person Jesus tellshe's the Messiah is
  • 00:20:36.328 --> 00:20:39.264
  • a Jewish woman.
  • 00:20:39.298 --> 00:20:41.333
  • He pushed through the sexistbarrier, he pushed through the
  • 00:20:41.366 --> 00:20:45.203
  • ethnic barrier, and she ends upgoing to Sychar, and a bunch of
  • 00:20:45.237 --> 00:20:50.275
  • the Samaritans came to faith inJesus because of her.
  • 00:20:50.309 --> 00:20:54.346
  • How ironic is it that the Jewishdisciples bought food in Sychar,
  • 00:20:54.379 --> 00:20:58.250
  • told no Samaritans about Jesusat all, but a Samaritan woman
  • 00:20:58.283 --> 00:21:02.954
  • goes to the Samaritans, does thedisciples' job so that they can
  • 00:21:02.988 --> 00:21:07.125
  • come to know Jesus.
  • 00:21:07.159 --> 00:21:09.127
  • And then to cap it all off,Jesus teaches a beautiful lesson
  • 00:21:09.161 --> 00:21:11.496
  • that a Samaritan woman is aJewish person and a Gentile
  • 00:21:11.530 --> 00:21:15.801
  • person in one body.
  • 00:21:15.834 --> 00:21:17.436
  • And what's the churchsupposed to be?
  • 00:21:17.469 --> 00:21:19.271
  • Jews and Gentiles, or in anotherway a multiethnic family that is
  • 00:21:19.304 --> 00:21:23.108
  • on mission breaking down manmadedemonic barriers.
  • 00:21:23.141 --> 00:21:31.149
  • How do we know the Bible doesn'tsupport misogyny?
  • 00:21:31.183 --> 00:21:33.251
  • Women church leaders.
  • 00:21:33.285 --> 00:21:35.954
  • So, let's look at the earlychurch.
  • 00:21:35.987 --> 00:21:38.623
  • "On the first day of the weekMary Magdalene came to the tomb
  • 00:21:38.657 --> 00:21:41.593
  • early, while it was still dark.
  • 00:21:41.626 --> 00:21:43.428
  • She saw that the stone had beenremoved from the tomb.
  • 00:21:43.462 --> 00:21:47.632
  • So she went running to SimonPeter."
  • 00:21:47.666 --> 00:21:49.901
  • Hold on, she went runningto Peter.
  • 00:21:49.935 --> 00:21:53.305
  • She went running to Peterand the other disciples,
  • 00:21:53.338 --> 00:21:56.375
  • so the other disciples weresomewhere else.
  • 00:21:56.408 --> 00:21:58.610
  • Their dreams were dashedand there was Mary.
  • 00:21:58.643 --> 00:22:01.146
  • "The one Jesus loved," that'sJohn, "and said to them,
  • 00:22:01.179 --> 00:22:04.316
  • 'They've taken the Lord out ofthe tomb, and we don't know
  • 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:06.852
  • where they've put him.'"
  • 00:22:06.885 --> 00:22:08.520
  • Let me say thisloudly and clearly.
  • 00:22:08.553 --> 00:22:10.689
  • First person who knew Jesuswas the Messiah, a woman.
  • 00:22:10.722 --> 00:22:13.925
  • A first person who sawJesus--who knew Jesus rose
  • 00:22:13.959 --> 00:22:18.330
  • from the dead, a woman.
  • 00:22:18.363 --> 00:22:20.632
  • And of course Mary, the motherof Jesus, testified to who
  • 00:22:20.665 --> 00:22:25.337
  • the Christ child would be.
  • 00:22:25.370 --> 00:22:28.907
  • Let's go to Acts chapter 16, oneof my favorite stories
  • 00:22:28.940 --> 00:22:34.746
  • in the Bible.
  • 00:22:34.780 --> 00:22:36.114
  • "A God-fearing woman namedLydia, a dealer in purple cloth
  • 00:22:36.148 --> 00:22:40.152
  • from the city of Thyatira,was listening.
  • 00:22:40.185 --> 00:22:43.255
  • The Lord opened her heart torespond to what Paul was saying.
  • 00:22:43.288 --> 00:22:45.891
  • After she and her household werebaptized, she urged us, 'If you
  • 00:22:45.924 --> 00:22:50.061
  • consider me a believer inthe Lord, come and stay
  • 00:22:50.095 --> 00:22:53.365
  • at my house.'
  • 00:22:53.398 --> 00:22:55.000
  • And she persuaded us."
  • 00:22:55.033 --> 00:22:56.601
  • Check this out, the first churchplant on the continent of Europe
  • 00:22:56.635 --> 00:23:01.506
  • was started in a boss lady, aGentile woman's house.
  • 00:23:01.540 --> 00:23:07.479
  • The first convert in Europe,woman.
  • 00:23:07.512 --> 00:23:10.415
  • First church plant in Europe,in a woman's house.
  • 00:23:10.449 --> 00:23:13.118
  • Hello.
  • 00:23:13.151 --> 00:23:16.188
  • The Bible doesn't teachmisogyny.
  • 00:23:16.221 --> 00:23:18.056
  • Now, in Romans chapter 16, "Icommend you to our sister
  • 00:23:18.089 --> 00:23:21.660
  • Phoebe, who is a servant."
  • 00:23:21.693 --> 00:23:23.361
  • This is the word "deacon."
  • 00:23:23.395 --> 00:23:24.830
  • "Who is a servant or deacon ofthe church in Cenchreae."
  • 00:23:24.863 --> 00:23:28.834
  • So, Phoebe was a deacon in achurch, a leader.
  • 00:23:28.867 --> 00:23:33.071
  • Now, here's what's cool.
  • 00:23:33.104 --> 00:23:34.539
  • In the ancient world, whoeverbrought the letter was the
  • 00:23:34.573 --> 00:23:39.077
  • person to read the letter.
  • 00:23:39.110 --> 00:23:42.047
  • So, here's Phoebe reading thetheological magnus opus called
  • 00:23:42.080 --> 00:23:47.853
  • the book of Romans, she'sreading it to the house churches
  • 00:23:47.886 --> 00:23:53.725
  • in Rome, a woman.
  • 00:23:53.758 --> 00:23:55.327
  • Wow.
  • 00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:57.329
  • "So you should welcome her inthe Lord, a manner worthy
  • 00:23:57.362 --> 00:24:00.665
  • of the saints and assist her inwhatever matters she may
  • 00:24:00.699 --> 00:24:03.668
  • require your help.
  • 00:24:03.702 --> 00:24:05.937
  • For indeed, she has been abenefactor of many and of me,"
  • 00:24:05.971 --> 00:24:09.407
  • of course.
  • 00:24:09.441 --> 00:24:11.076
  • So, not only was she a servant,but she was a patron.
  • 00:24:11.109 --> 00:24:12.844
  • She financially movedthe ministry forward.
  • 00:24:12.878 --> 00:24:16.248
  • Let's continue.
  • 00:24:16.281 --> 00:24:17.782
  • Then he says, "Give my greetingsto Prisca and Aquila."
  • 00:24:17.816 --> 00:24:21.653
  • He says, "My coworkers inChrist," verse 4, "who risked
  • 00:24:21.686 --> 00:24:25.056
  • their own necks for my life.
  • 00:24:25.090 --> 00:24:27.125
  • Not only do I thank them, but sodo all the Gentile churches."
  • 00:24:27.158 --> 00:24:33.064
  • So do all the multiethnicchurches.
  • 00:24:33.098 --> 00:24:35.634
  • A lot of times, we give all thecredit to Paul, but Paul
  • 00:24:35.667 --> 00:24:39.471
  • was great at building teams.
  • 00:24:39.504 --> 00:24:41.706
  • Everybody matters, but what wesee here, Prisca was awesome.
  • 00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:46.545
  • "Greet Andronicus and Junia,my fellow Jews,
  • 00:24:46.578 --> 00:24:50.482
  • who were in prison with me.
  • 00:24:50.515 --> 00:24:52.784
  • They are highly respectedamong the apostles
  • 00:24:52.817 --> 00:24:54.819
  • and became followers of Christbefore I did."
  • 00:24:54.853 --> 00:24:58.223
  • Teamwork makes the dream work,and women play a vital role in
  • 00:24:58.256 --> 00:25:02.627
  • God's team.
  • 00:25:02.661 --> 00:25:05.263
  • So, does the Bible teach andcondone slavery and misogyny?
  • 00:25:05.297 --> 00:25:11.436
  • A 1.000 times no.
  • 00:25:11.469 --> 00:25:16.942
  • In Christ, we are co-heirs,one in Jesus.
  • 00:25:16.975 --> 00:25:24.282
  • We treat everyone as thoughJesus Christ died for them.
  • 00:25:24.316 --> 00:25:29.054
  • If anything, what these texts dois they drive us deeper and
  • 00:25:29.087 --> 00:25:33.925
  • deeper in understanding how Godtreasures and values people.
  • 00:25:33.959 --> 00:25:39.531
  • And then lastly, it drives usdeeper and deeper to see that
  • 00:25:39.564 --> 00:25:43.635
  • we're a part of a big storyfor God's glory.
  • 00:25:43.668 --> 00:25:47.639
  • And male, female,you have a role.
  • 00:25:47.672 --> 00:25:51.109
  • Teenager, pre-teen, people withwisdom hair, people all over the
  • 00:25:51.142 --> 00:25:56.114
  • spectrum, we have a role, wehave a place, we have a space,
  • 00:25:56.147 --> 00:25:59.484
  • we have the Spirit, and God issaying, "Make my glory known."
  • 00:25:59.517 --> 00:26:05.724
  • Derwin: It is our prayer thatthe Holy Spirit moved on your
  • 00:26:07.525 --> 00:26:10.128
  • heart, and that after thismessage that you think, "Wow,
  • 00:26:10.161 --> 00:26:13.398
  • Jesus is more beautiful, he'smore life giving, he's more
  • 00:26:13.431 --> 00:26:18.403
  • forgiving, he's more gracious,that he's the greatest treasure
  • 00:26:18.436 --> 00:26:21.773
  • that I could ever possess."
  • 00:26:21.806 --> 00:26:25.610
  • If you're ready to receive Jesusas your God and Savior and King,
  • 00:26:25.644 --> 00:26:28.346
  • pray this to him.
  • 00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:29.748
  • He's listening, he's present.
  • 00:26:29.781 --> 00:26:31.149
  • Pray these words to him, "LordJesus, I bow my knee to you, and
  • 00:26:31.182 --> 00:26:36.021
  • I say thank you for your grace,thank you for taking my place
  • 00:26:36.054 --> 00:26:38.590
  • on the cross, your blood foreverforgives me, that three days
  • 00:26:38.623 --> 00:26:42.260
  • later you rose from the tomb andyou brought me out with you.
  • 00:26:42.293 --> 00:26:46.031
  • And now, your life is my life.
  • 00:26:46.064 --> 00:26:49.501
  • I say yes to you, Lord Jesus."
  • 00:26:49.534 --> 00:26:52.804
  • Friends, if you prayed thatprayer with me, go to
  • 00:26:52.837 --> 00:26:55.040
  • derwinlgray.com.
  • 00:26:55.073 --> 00:26:56.708
  • Please let me know, we want tocelebrate with you.
  • 00:26:56.741 --> 00:27:01.880
  • ♪♪♪
  • 00:27:08.553 --> 00:27:17.495
  • ♪ I can feel itin the air, ♪
  • 00:27:17.529 --> 00:27:19.497
  • ♪ yeah, yeah. ♪
  • 00:27:19.531 --> 00:27:22.600
  • ♪ It's gonna be a good day, ♪
  • 00:27:22.634 --> 00:27:25.270
  • ♪ it's gonna be a good day,yeah. ♪♪
  • 00:27:25.303 --> 00:27:29.340