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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

Watch Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah
September 13, 2020
57:29

Join Dr. Jeremiah and Sheila Walsh as they discuss the importance of letting go of the past and moving forward toward everything God has planned for you.

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Forward Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah

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  • a haphazard approach to life.
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  • You might feel stuck,but you don't have to be.
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  • Perhaps you're discouraged.
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  • It's time to deal with that.
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  • And if you feel uncertain,you can find clarity.
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  • You may not knowwhat's next but God does.
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  • He's there waiting for youin your tomorrow,
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  • so step into it anddiscover God's presence
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  • and purpose in your life.
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  • Starting today, starting now,it's time to move forward.
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  • male announcer: It's timewe rise above our circumstances,
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  • conquer our fears,face the future with faith,
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  • prevail over the past, aspireto accomplish greater things,
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  • reclaim our birthright,proclaim his power,
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  • and claim God's promises.
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  • God has more for us.
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  • It's not time to stop.
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  • It's time to move forward.
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  • Thank you for being with ustoday for Dr. Jeremiah's
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  • new series, "Forward."
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  • Now, here's Dr. Jeremiah'spowerful "How to Move Forward"
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  • interview with Sheila Walsh.
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  • Sheila Walsh: Dr. Jeremiah,it's just lovely
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  • to be with you again.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,thank you for coming.
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  • We've sort of been meetingall over the place,
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  • different parts of the country,and it's always
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  • because we're gonna talkabout something important.
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  • Sheila: But this is different.
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  • I cannot thinkof a more timely message.
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  • Tell us about your new project,"Forward."
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You know,"Forward" is not a place
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  • where you are,it's a direction you go.
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  • And everybody needsto move forward.
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  • And Christians, especially,the past is something you know
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  • for sure that's happened.
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  • Maybe you feel like, you know,"I wish I could go back there."
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  • You always hear people talkingabout the good old days
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  • which I haven't been ableto figure out when they were.
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  • And obviously, sometimein the future they'll talk
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  • about our days as those days.
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  • Sheila: I'm not sureabout 2020.
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  • They might skip over that one.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah, 2020,we might take that
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  • off the calendar.
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  • Yeah, that's a good idea.
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  • Sheila: Let's dive in, though.
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  • First step in moving forwardis "Dream."
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  • And you write,"Seize your tomorrow today."
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  • What do you mean by that?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,the way we're constructed,
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  • the way we're built,before we can go someplace,
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  • we have to see it in our mind.
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  • We have to be able to negotiateour destination before we start
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  • the journey and,while we don't realize that
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  • that's happening,we've done it all of our lives.
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  • As you get older and you beginto realize your life
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  • needs direction, you need to askGod what it is he wants you
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  • to do and that becomesyour focus and your dream.
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  • Sheila: Some people would say,
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  • "Well, isn't dreamingjust for the younger people,
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  • you know, for people who havetheir whole life ahead of them?"
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  • But you write, "Don't dismissthat so quickly."
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you stop dreaming,
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  • you start dying.
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  • If you don't have any reasonto get up,
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  • if you don't have anythingyou believe you need to do,
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  • if you don't feel any callingfrom God for what's next,
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  • something happensand it's not pretty.
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  • Sheila: The next stepyou talk about is one
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  • that is so central to our faith:"Pray."
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  • But I love the factthat you chose the life
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  • of the prophet Nehemiahto illustrate
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  • what forward praying looks like.
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  • Why did you choose him?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, becauseNehemiah's prayer was associated
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  • with his dream, and I thoughtthat was a great way to tie
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  • those two thoughts together.
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  • The Bible says that whenthe Jews went back to Israel
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  • and started to build the wallagain that they got discouraged
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  • and they quit.
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  • Nehemiah was in Shushan,the palace,
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  • working for the governor,for the head
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  • of the whole empire,and he wanted to go back
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  • and help rebuild the walland this is what he said.
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  • He said, "God put itin my heart."
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  • That's where the dream began.
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  • And he began to pray and thereason it was put in his heart
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  • because he began to prayfor his friends back home,
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  • that they weren't buildinganything.
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  • He was brokenhearted,he was in tears.
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  • And during that prayer,God put it in his heart.
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  • How many times has it beenwhen you've prayed and God said,
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  • "Okay, you answeryour own prayer"?
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  • Sheila: That's so true.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's whathappened to Nehemiah.
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  • Sheila: But it's interestingtoo because Nehemiah
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  • had to take a risk going into see the king with a sad face.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,he went in to see the king
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  • and the king says,"Why are you sad?"
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  • And it's really interestingif you study the culture.
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  • That was a capital offense.
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  • If you were ever sadin front of the king,
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  • it was over for you.
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  • When the king asked him that,he said,
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  • "Well, why wouldn't I be sad?
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  • My friends are back in Jerusalemand the walls are in disrepair."
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  • Sheila: Yeah, but you powerfullyillustrate in that chapter
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  • the way that Nehemiahshot up that quick prayer
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  • because sometimes you havetime to pray for a long time but
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  • you're in front of a king, doingsomething that could cost you
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  • your life, you don't have timefor a long prayer.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,that's really--
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  • that's such a great thought,Sheila, because he's standing
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  • in front of this man, this king,who's the awesome one.
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  • And the Bible says he is asked"What do you want me to do?"
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  • And then the Scripture says:"So I prayed to God
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  • and I said to the king."
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  • That's how that works, isn't it?
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  • You get caught in a moment.
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  • You don't have a long time fora lot of introductory phrases.
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  • You just pray to God.
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  • That's calledinstantaneous prayer.
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  • I often thought that we knowwhat it's like to say,
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  • "God, help.
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  • Help me.I don't know what to do."
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  • Sheila: I thoughtit was interesting,
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  • "Choosing Your Priorities."
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  • I think, and maybe particularlyat the moment,
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  • people feel pulled in a millionand one directions.
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  • How do you learnhow to prioritize
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  • and get rid of distractions?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: What I've learnedis if you wanna say, "Yes",
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  • to something more,you have to be willing to say
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  • "No" to somethingyou're already doing.
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  • That's been a really hard lessonfor me because
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  • I'm a "Yes" person when peopleask me to do something.
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  • But in order for you to realizeyour dream and get to where
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  • you believe God wants you to go,you can't be doing everything.
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  • Sheila: Yeah, it took mea while to learn that "No"
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  • is a complete sentence.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes, it is.It is indeed.
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  • Sheila:Getting back to basics,
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  • when it comesto choosing priorities,
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  • what does Jesus sayabout how we go about that?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,one time he was asked,
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  • what was the mostimportant thing and he said,
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  • "The most important thing isto love God with all your heart
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  • and secondly, love others.
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  • And then thirdly,"which surprises most people,
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  • "love yourself."
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  • That often is misunderstoodand misapplied
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  • but it doesn't meanit has to go away.
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  • Love your neighbors as yourself.
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  • And until you begin to realizehow important it is to take care
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  • of yourself, you don't haveanything to give
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  • to anybody else.
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  • Sheila: How do you personally,Dr. Jeremiah,
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  • organize your priorities?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Oh, you know,I sometimes think my priorities
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  • organize me, you know?
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  • That's what it feels like a lot.
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  • I have one basic prioritythat kind of drives everything
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  • and that is I'm committedto the task of teaching
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  • the Word of God.
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  • That's what he's called meto do.
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  • And it's really hard for meto add things to my life
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  • that don't have somethingto do with that.
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  • I do, but I don't do it veryoften and I don't usually do it
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  • very productivelybecause what I do is so tied
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  • to what I believe isimportant for me,
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  • I don't thinkthat's the only priority
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  • and it's not the priority foreverybody but it's my priority.
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  • Sheila: You talkabout the importance
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  • in the next step of "Focus."
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  • I think a lot of people feellike they get stuck in the past
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  • and I was wondering howdo you find that right balance
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  • between balancing the past,the present, and the future?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,that chapter's kind of built
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  • around maybe the theme verse forthe whole book where Paul says,
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  • "Forgetting those thingswhich are behind, I press toward
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  • the mark for the high callingof God in Christ Jesus."
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  • And what Paul wasn't saying is,"Do away with my past,"
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  • but what he was saying is,"I'm not gonna let the past
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  • control my presentor my future."
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  • And when you stopand think about it,
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  • Paul had some awful thingsto forget, you know?
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  • He was the great persecutorof the church.
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  • He killed some peoplebecause of their faith.
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  • I know he imprisoneda lot of them.
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  • I know a lot of people that havebad things in their past
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  • and they can't get beyond it.
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  • But Paul also hadsome good things.
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  • He was the Pharisee of Pharisee.
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  • He had--his pedigree,which is in the Bible twice,
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  • is like none you'd ever readin your life.
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  • He was so well qualified andhe had so much going for him
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  • and Paul said,
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  • "Neither my failures normy successes control my life."
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  • I don't let those thingscontrol me.
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  • I have a goal for the future andthat's what drives me forward.
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  • ♪♪♪
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  • announcer:Maybe you're asking,
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  • "How do I move forward in life?"
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  • In his new book,"Forward: Discovering
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  • God's Presence and Purposein Your Tomorrow,"
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  • Dr. Jeremiah answerswith a biblical strategy
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  • to help you find and stayin the center
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  • of God's constant unfolding planfor you,
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  • no matter what circumstancesor challenges
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  • have slowed your momentum.
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  • "Forward" releases worldwideOctober 6,
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  • Sheila: Welcome back.I'm Sheila Walsh.
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  • I'm here with Dr. David Jeremiahto discuss his new series,
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  • "Forward: DiscoveringGod's Presence and Purpose
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  • for Your Life."
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  • What did you meanwhen you wrote,
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  • "Make the one thingthe main thing"?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: It's not easyto come up with one thing
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  • but when you realize what it isthat God wants you to do,
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  • when you figure that out,then you spend
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  • the rest of your life tryingto make sure
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  • that it keeps its placeas your priority.
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  • And it is attackedevery single day.
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  • Sheila: Yeah,I love the next step,
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  • "Risk: Getting Outof the Safe Zone."
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  • We don't always think about,as believers,
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  • of taking a risk.
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  • We think of that maybe as,you know, dangerous,
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  • careless behavior.
  • 00:10:20.136 --> 00:10:21.671
  • But in your experienceas a pastor,
  • 00:10:21.704 --> 00:10:23.339
  • why is that so important to beable to move out
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  • of a safe placeto a place of risk?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah:Well, I suppose, to be honest,
  • 00:10:28.711 --> 00:10:30.046
  • Sheila, risk is just anothermore secular term for faith.
  • 00:10:30.079 --> 00:10:34.517
  • Living in the unknown,beyond where you can see.
  • 00:10:34.550 --> 00:10:38.020
  • And if you're not willingto risk as a believer,
  • 00:10:38.054 --> 00:10:41.023
  • if you're not willingto walk by faith,
  • 00:10:41.057 --> 00:10:43.225
  • you can't go forward.
  • 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:44.894
  • You're always gonna be waitingfor the next place
  • 00:10:44.927 --> 00:10:46.862
  • where you feel secureand you will never go beyond
  • 00:10:46.896 --> 00:10:49.265
  • your security blanket and that'swhere a lot of Christians are.
  • 00:10:49.298 --> 00:10:53.135
  • And the Bibledoesn't allow us that.
  • 00:10:53.169 --> 00:10:55.104
  • The Bible's so filled withstories about people who risked
  • 00:10:55.137 --> 00:10:57.873
  • in their walk with Godand that's where the joy is.
  • 00:10:57.907 --> 00:11:01.777
  • That's where the advance is.
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  • Sheila: And you highlightthat powerfully
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  • through the life of Caleb.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes.
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  • Sheila: Tell us about that.
  • 00:11:07.383 --> 00:11:08.684
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,Caleb was among a bunch of guys
  • 00:11:08.718 --> 00:11:10.019
  • who went into Canaansupposedly to spy it out,
  • 00:11:10.052 --> 00:11:14.123
  • really just to confirm what Godhad already told them was there.
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  • And when they got into Canaan,ten of the guys saw the people
  • 00:11:17.793 --> 00:11:22.798
  • that were there, the giants,and they came back
  • 00:11:22.832 --> 00:11:25.968
  • and they said,"We can't go in there.
  • 00:11:26.001 --> 00:11:28.270
  • We're like grasshoppers.These are huge men.
  • 00:11:28.304 --> 00:11:30.706
  • We'll get destroyed."
  • 00:11:30.740 --> 00:11:32.775
  • Caleb and Joshua came back.
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  • They had a muchdifferent report.
  • 00:11:34.710 --> 00:11:36.645
  • They were in the minority.
  • 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.581
  • They risked everything to say,"That isn't true.
  • 00:11:38.614 --> 00:11:40.583
  • We are able to do this."
  • 00:11:40.616 --> 00:11:43.285
  • I've always thought this.
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  • The ten guys who said,"We can't do it,"
  • 00:11:44.954 --> 00:11:47.723
  • made the mistake of measuringthemselves against the giants.
  • 00:11:47.757 --> 00:11:51.827
  • Caleb and Joshua measuredthemselves against God
  • 00:11:51.861 --> 00:11:54.830
  • and they realized that whilethey were not able to do it,
  • 00:11:54.864 --> 00:11:57.800
  • they had a big God who couldhelp them take the risk
  • 00:11:57.833 --> 00:12:01.370
  • and you know the restof the story.
  • 00:12:01.403 --> 00:12:03.906
  • The people who didn't believe,the spies,
  • 00:12:03.939 --> 00:12:06.675
  • they were immediately destroyed,and all the people who believed
  • 00:12:06.709 --> 00:12:09.678
  • the spies had 40 yearsuntil they all died
  • 00:12:09.712 --> 00:12:15.117
  • before they were allowed to gointo the Promised Land.
  • 00:12:15.151 --> 00:12:17.286
  • And when it wasall said and done,
  • 00:12:17.319 --> 00:12:19.188
  • only the two guys that risked,Caleb and Joshua,
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  • had the privilege of going in.
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  • Sheila: Amazing.
  • 00:12:24.560 --> 00:12:26.362
  • What are the benefits,spiritually,
  • 00:12:26.395 --> 00:12:28.030
  • of living in the faith zone?
  • 00:12:28.063 --> 00:12:29.799
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,I'll tell you one thing.
  • 00:12:29.832 --> 00:12:31.133
  • It sure is exciting.
  • 00:12:31.167 --> 00:12:32.635
  • It's very adventuresome.
  • 00:12:32.668 --> 00:12:34.403
  • Every day you have to just say,"Lord, whatever comes today,
  • 00:12:34.436 --> 00:12:36.605
  • help me figure it outand do what you want me to do
  • 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.875
  • and live by faith every dayand trust you."
  • 00:12:39.909 --> 00:12:42.845
  • That's just kindof the daily thing, but then,
  • 00:12:42.878 --> 00:12:45.281
  • there's the big things toothat come along.
  • 00:12:45.314 --> 00:12:47.316
  • I remember whenwe were trying to buy
  • 00:12:47.349 --> 00:12:49.952
  • the first radio station timeand how scary that was to us.
  • 00:12:49.985 --> 00:12:53.789
  • We didn't havethe money to do it.
  • 00:12:53.823 --> 00:12:55.424
  • We felt God was calling usto do it.
  • 00:12:55.457 --> 00:12:57.459
  • And I remember saying, "Yes,"when I had no idea
  • 00:12:57.493 --> 00:13:01.330
  • how it was gonna happen.
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  • Sheila: That's faith.
  • 00:13:02.698 --> 00:13:03.999
  • Dr. Jeremiah:There's a fine line,
  • 00:13:04.033 --> 00:13:05.334
  • as you know, between faithand foolishness and
  • 00:13:05.367 --> 00:13:06.669
  • you gotta be careful that youdon't just get crazy and say,
  • 00:13:06.702 --> 00:13:08.804
  • "I'm just gonna do thisand God'll bless it."
  • 00:13:08.838 --> 00:13:11.173
  • But God is honoredwhen we take a step of faith
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  • and trust him to fulfillhis promise.
  • 00:13:14.476 --> 00:13:18.647
  • Sheila: You talk on the nextstep about "chasing your dream,"
  • 00:13:18.681 --> 00:13:22.952
  • and I think many of usare guilty of not doing that.
  • 00:13:22.985 --> 00:13:25.221
  • We almost kind of quitand give up.
  • 00:13:25.254 --> 00:13:27.690
  • And one of the questionsI get asked often is,
  • 00:13:27.723 --> 00:13:31.160
  • "Is it possible to know God'swill and plan for your life?"
  • 00:13:31.193 --> 00:13:35.764
  • Dr. Jeremiah: I actually dobelieve that it is.
  • 00:13:35.798 --> 00:13:37.833
  • I believe you can knowwhat God wants you to do
  • 00:13:37.867 --> 00:13:39.902
  • and I think there's a passivitythat fills the hearts
  • 00:13:39.935 --> 00:13:43.038
  • of a lot of peoplebecause they think,
  • 00:13:43.072 --> 00:13:44.840
  • "Well, if this is whatGod wants me to do,
  • 00:13:44.874 --> 00:13:47.076
  • he's gonna do it andI'll just be a participant."
  • 00:13:47.109 --> 00:13:50.646
  • I actually hear peopleteach that.
  • 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.648
  • God has promised to do his partbut that doesn't mean
  • 00:13:52.681 --> 00:13:55.684
  • we don't have a partto play too.
  • 00:13:55.718 --> 00:13:57.586
  • Maybe that's at the heartof where some people
  • 00:13:57.620 --> 00:13:59.822
  • get lost because they thinkambition is not something
  • 00:13:59.855 --> 00:14:03.359
  • that has a Christian value.
  • 00:14:03.392 --> 00:14:05.327
  • You know, selfish ambitionis wrong but godly ambition
  • 00:14:05.361 --> 00:14:08.864
  • is right.
  • 00:14:08.898 --> 00:14:10.566
  • God expects us to be ambitiousfor the things he calls us to do
  • 00:14:10.599 --> 00:14:13.903
  • and not just sit around andwait for something to happen,
  • 00:14:13.936 --> 00:14:16.972
  • which is what a lotof people do.
  • 00:14:17.006 --> 00:14:18.741
  • God wants us to strive forwardand move toward the goal
  • 00:14:18.774 --> 00:14:21.911
  • he's set before us.
  • 00:14:21.944 --> 00:14:23.445
  • Sheila: What do you thinkit would be like
  • 00:14:23.479 --> 00:14:24.780
  • if every believer in our nationactually dared to dream
  • 00:14:24.813 --> 00:14:27.616
  • and ask God what is your purposeand then embraced it?
  • 00:14:27.650 --> 00:14:32.021
  • Dr. Jeremiah: It'd be a muchdifferent world
  • 00:14:32.054 --> 00:14:33.789
  • than we have right now.
  • 00:14:33.822 --> 00:14:35.524
  • I don't know what the percentageof people are who do that.
  • 00:14:35.557 --> 00:14:38.427
  • It probably isn't as high aswe might even imagine but,
  • 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:42.531
  • you know, when you're aroundsomebody like that,
  • 00:14:42.564 --> 00:14:45.234
  • it's infectious.
  • 00:14:45.267 --> 00:14:47.236
  • You can sense, you know,this man, this woman,
  • 00:14:47.269 --> 00:14:50.539
  • God has a plan for them andthey're invested in that plan.
  • 00:14:50.572 --> 00:14:53.676
  • Sheila: Yeah, you talkabout the next step,
  • 00:14:53.709 --> 00:14:55.911
  • "Believe: GettingYour Mind Right."
  • 00:14:55.945 --> 00:14:57.780
  • What's the difference between--I mean,
  • 00:14:57.813 --> 00:14:59.815
  • if you go to typical bookstores,there's whole sections
  • 00:14:59.848 --> 00:15:02.584
  • on self-help and psychology.
  • 00:15:02.618 --> 00:15:04.687
  • But there's a differencebetween believing, trusting God,
  • 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:08.590
  • and just positive thinking.
  • 00:15:08.624 --> 00:15:11.126
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Paul said,"I can do all things
  • 00:15:11.160 --> 00:15:13.262
  • through Christwho strengthens me."
  • 00:15:13.295 --> 00:15:15.531
  • That's not neutral motivation.
  • 00:15:15.564 --> 00:15:18.567
  • That's spiritual motivation.
  • 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.669
  • One time, Paul listsall the things that come
  • 00:15:20.703 --> 00:15:22.972
  • against him in life and he said,
  • 00:15:23.005 --> 00:15:25.341
  • "But I am a super-conquerorover all these things."
  • 00:15:25.374 --> 00:15:30.212
  • I love that because the Greekword has the word "nike" in it
  • 00:15:30.245 --> 00:15:33.615
  • and the word "nike"means victory.
  • 00:15:33.649 --> 00:15:36.585
  • And Paul said, "All those thingsare against me
  • 00:15:36.618 --> 00:15:38.687
  • but I still have victoryover them."
  • 00:15:38.721 --> 00:15:40.756
  • Super-victory.
  • 00:15:40.789 --> 00:15:42.458
  • Paul was a positive personand we need more
  • 00:15:42.491 --> 00:15:46.996
  • and more people to stand up andbe positive about their faith.
  • 00:15:47.029 --> 00:15:51.800
  • Yes, we need to deal with sinwhen it comes
  • 00:15:51.834 --> 00:15:54.103
  • and we should never ignore itbut life, if you're a Christian,
  • 00:15:54.136 --> 00:15:59.074
  • can be a positive walk with God.
  • 00:15:59.108 --> 00:16:01.143
  • Sheila: But why do you thinkit is that so many believers,
  • 00:16:01.176 --> 00:16:04.113
  • so many in the church,are way more like Eeyore
  • 00:16:04.146 --> 00:16:06.582
  • than they are like Tigger?
  • 00:16:06.615 --> 00:16:08.183
  • Why is it that negative thinkingis--I mean,
  • 00:16:08.217 --> 00:16:10.486
  • if you think aboutwhat we believe,
  • 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:12.354
  • we should be the mostpositive people on the planet.
  • 00:16:12.388 --> 00:16:14.790
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,if we really believe
  • 00:16:14.823 --> 00:16:16.992
  • what we believebecause it's from God,
  • 00:16:17.026 --> 00:16:18.827
  • we trust God to help us,and we can be positive.
  • 00:16:18.861 --> 00:16:21.330
  • But so often what happensand this is called legalism,
  • 00:16:21.363 --> 00:16:25.134
  • we become Christiansand we think it's up to us
  • 00:16:25.167 --> 00:16:27.469
  • to keep the standard up.
  • 00:16:27.503 --> 00:16:28.937
  • So, the way you do that is,you keep denying everything
  • 00:16:28.971 --> 00:16:31.340
  • that gets in your way and youjust become a negative person.
  • 00:16:31.373 --> 00:16:34.376
  • Sheila: Wow, how has the Biblehelped you to remain positive
  • 00:16:34.810 --> 00:16:39.615
  • 'cause I know that you have gonethrough tough things
  • 00:16:39.648 --> 00:16:42.117
  • in your life over and over.
  • 00:16:42.151 --> 00:16:44.253
  • How has God's Word helped youto remain positive?
  • 00:16:44.286 --> 00:16:47.723
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you read the Bible,
  • 00:16:47.756 --> 00:16:49.425
  • you just keep runninginto these people who,
  • 00:16:49.458 --> 00:16:52.194
  • like, for instance, Joseph.
  • 00:16:52.227 --> 00:16:54.363
  • His brothers wanted to destroyhim and his take on it was,
  • 00:16:54.396 --> 00:16:59.668
  • "You meant it for evil,but God meant it for good."
  • 00:16:59.701 --> 00:17:02.871
  • And there are so many storieslike Daniel's that way.
  • 00:17:02.905 --> 00:17:05.507
  • If you read the Bible, you justrun into these people over
  • 00:17:05.541 --> 00:17:08.310
  • and over again and you think,"I have no right to complain."
  • 00:17:08.343 --> 00:17:12.014
  • The things men and womenwent through in the Scripture
  • 00:17:12.047 --> 00:17:14.817
  • make our battles todayseem rather petty
  • 00:17:14.850 --> 00:17:19.054
  • and there really isn'tany reason for us to be negative
  • 00:17:19.088 --> 00:17:22.257
  • if we know the Godwe claim to know.
  • 00:17:22.291 --> 00:17:25.761
  • Sheila: That's so true.That is a great perspective.
  • 00:17:25.794 --> 00:17:27.763
  • I love this next step:"Invest: Outlive Your Life."
  • 00:17:27.796 --> 00:17:33.102
  • What do you mean by that?
  • 00:17:33.135 --> 00:17:34.770
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, Sheila,you can live your life
  • 00:17:34.803 --> 00:17:36.138
  • in such a way that afteryou're gone it keeps on going,
  • 00:17:36.171 --> 00:17:38.140
  • you know?
  • 00:17:38.173 --> 00:17:40.142
  • And that's not double-talk.
  • 00:17:40.175 --> 00:17:42.111
  • I tell the story in this bookabout when I was 16 years old
  • 00:17:42.144 --> 00:17:45.080
  • my parents gave me a copy ofthe "Scofield Reference Bible."
  • 00:17:45.114 --> 00:17:49.685
  • Now, many of the younger peoplelook at you, like,
  • 00:17:49.718 --> 00:17:52.087
  • "What's that?"
  • 00:17:52.121 --> 00:17:53.489
  • But when I was growing up thereweren't a lot of study Bibles.
  • 00:17:53.522 --> 00:17:56.024
  • Now, everybody's gota study Bible.
  • 00:17:56.058 --> 00:17:57.693
  • You go into the bookstore,there's shelves of them.
  • 00:17:57.726 --> 00:18:00.395
  • But in those days,there was basically one
  • 00:18:00.429 --> 00:18:02.598
  • for evangelical Christiansand it was
  • 00:18:02.631 --> 00:18:04.867
  • C. I. Scofield's Study Bible.
  • 00:18:04.900 --> 00:18:07.336
  • And I still have it upstairsin my office and my mom and dad
  • 00:18:07.369 --> 00:18:11.740
  • gave that to me and I rememberI started to get interested
  • 00:18:11.773 --> 00:18:15.144
  • in studying the Bible andI would run into stuff I didn't
  • 00:18:15.177 --> 00:18:17.513
  • understand and oftentimes therewould be a note in that Bible
  • 00:18:17.546 --> 00:18:20.816
  • that explained it, especiallyabout prophecy 'cause he was--
  • 00:18:20.849 --> 00:18:23.385
  • he was a great prophetic writer.
  • 00:18:23.418 --> 00:18:26.221
  • One day I was reading that Bibleand I looked down
  • 00:18:26.255 --> 00:18:29.191
  • and I realized thatit was written in 1909.
  • 00:18:29.224 --> 00:18:33.395
  • This was in the '50s, '60s.
  • 00:18:33.428 --> 00:18:36.064
  • I realized that man was alreadyin heaven and here I am,
  • 00:18:36.098 --> 00:18:40.035
  • I'm sitting there studyinghis Bible.
  • 00:18:40.068 --> 00:18:42.704
  • He was living even thoughhe wasn't living.
  • 00:18:42.738 --> 00:18:46.341
  • In 2013, I wrote a study Bible.
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  • Sheila: I love it.
  • 00:18:50.012 --> 00:18:51.446
  • Dr. Jeremiah: And I pray thatwhen I'm not around anymore
  • 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.116
  • down in the future, if the Lorddoesn't come back right away,
  • 00:18:54.149 --> 00:18:57.419
  • somebody will be reading thatas I read the "Scofield Bible"
  • 00:18:57.452 --> 00:19:00.589
  • and I will still havean influence in their life
  • 00:19:00.622 --> 00:19:03.292
  • even when I'm not here.
  • 00:19:03.325 --> 00:19:04.626
  • That whole chapter is aboutliving your life in such a way
  • 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:06.762
  • that you investin the Word of God,
  • 00:19:06.795 --> 00:19:09.665
  • in the work of God,and in the wealth of God
  • 00:19:09.698 --> 00:19:12.334
  • in such a way thatit lives beyond you.
  • 00:19:12.367 --> 00:19:16.371
  • Sheila: For someone who'swatching who's not a pastor,
  • 00:19:16.405 --> 00:19:18.840
  • maybe not in what they wouldconsider full-time ministry,
  • 00:19:18.874 --> 00:19:21.176
  • how do you live investingin eternal things?
  • 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:24.513
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,those three things
  • 00:19:24.546 --> 00:19:25.948
  • I think are the key things.
  • 00:19:25.981 --> 00:19:28.016
  • You study the Word of Godand you share it.
  • 00:19:28.050 --> 00:19:29.551
  • Did you know, Sheila,there's only two things
  • 00:19:29.585 --> 00:19:31.520
  • that are eternal:the Word of God
  • 00:19:31.553 --> 00:19:34.022
  • and the souls of men and women.
  • 00:19:34.056 --> 00:19:36.391
  • So when you investin the Word of God
  • 00:19:36.425 --> 00:19:38.860
  • and you invest in the soulsof men and women,
  • 00:19:38.894 --> 00:19:40.896
  • you're investing in thingsthat are eternal
  • 00:19:40.929 --> 00:19:42.998
  • that are gonna go before youinto heaven.
  • 00:19:43.031 --> 00:19:45.234
  • They'll be there.
  • 00:19:45.267 --> 00:19:46.969
  • The Bible is forever.
  • 00:19:47.002 --> 00:19:48.904
  • Men and womenhave forever souls.
  • 00:19:48.937 --> 00:19:50.973
  • When you invest in someone,for instance,
  • 00:19:51.006 --> 00:19:53.442
  • and you share the gospelwith them and they become
  • 00:19:53.475 --> 00:19:55.577
  • a Christian, you have investedin their eternity and one day
  • 00:19:55.611 --> 00:19:59.715
  • you're gonna be in heaven.
  • 00:19:59.748 --> 00:20:01.183
  • You know, there's a song thatwas written years ago called,
  • 00:20:01.216 --> 00:20:03.085
  • "Thank you," and it's all aboutpeople in heaven coming up
  • 00:20:03.118 --> 00:20:06.255
  • to you and saying, "Thank youfor telling me about Jesus
  • 00:20:06.288 --> 00:20:09.558
  • so I could be in heaven."
  • 00:20:09.591 --> 00:20:11.093
  • Sheila: "I'm a lifethat was saved."
  • 00:20:11.126 --> 00:20:12.594
  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's right.
  • 00:20:12.628 --> 00:20:14.196
  • Sheila: I love that.
  • 00:20:14.229 --> 00:20:15.597
  • Because in these dayswhen people are concerned
  • 00:20:15.631 --> 00:20:17.432
  • about financial investments,concerned about all that,
  • 00:20:17.466 --> 00:20:19.568
  • we can invest in the livesof our children, of our family,
  • 00:20:19.601 --> 00:20:23.805
  • of our friends,of our co-workers.
  • 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.941
  • That's something thatevery single one of us can do.
  • 00:20:25.974 --> 00:20:28.677
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Do you knowthat--this is a true statement.
  • 00:20:28.710 --> 00:20:30.712
  • You're either moving awayfrom your investment
  • 00:20:30.746 --> 00:20:32.914
  • or you're moving toward it.
  • 00:20:32.948 --> 00:20:35.217
  • If your investment is on thisearth and that's all you have,
  • 00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:37.653
  • you're moving away from it.
  • 00:20:37.686 --> 00:20:39.888
  • You won't be able to have that.
  • 00:20:39.921 --> 00:20:41.623
  • But if you invest in the thingsof eternity,
  • 00:20:41.657 --> 00:20:43.392
  • you're moving toward it.
  • 00:20:43.425 --> 00:20:45.360
  • Your investment is still ahead.
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  • Sheila: That's beautiful.
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  • Then you talk about, "You're notdone until you're done."
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  • Your next step is to "Finish."
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  • And reading that chapter,
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  • I don't knowhow you felt writing,
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  • but it felt like the mostpersonal chapter.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,because it's kind of
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  • where I'm at in life.
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  • I wanted to use the byline,
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  • "If you're not dead,you're not done,"
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  • but they wouldn'tlet me do that.
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  • I thought that wasthe better one but--
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  • Sheila: I like that.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: But if you're notdone you're not done.
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  • And I just talked aboutall the things that
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  • are about finishing strong.
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  • I can just say that for allthe years that I've been alive
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  • including up to right now,I've gotten up every day
  • 00:21:19.094 --> 00:21:22.297
  • excited to do whatGod has called me to do.
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  • I mean, I have my bad dayslike everybody does,
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  • but I've never ever thoughtabout, "Oh, my goodness,
  • 00:21:29.137 --> 00:21:32.207
  • what am I gonna dowith the rest of my life?"
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  • I'm sure my life is gonnarun out before I get done
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  • with everything I wanna do.
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  • Sheila: I'm so glad youdidn't stop after the last book
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  • because this book, it's alreadyhad a huge impact on my life.
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  • So we finished well.
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  • Is there one more step?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah:Yeah, to celebrate.
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  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: And the reasonI think that's so powerful is
  • 00:21:51.193 --> 00:21:52.694
  • because a lot of people think,"Okay, this life is like
  • 00:21:52.728 --> 00:21:56.298
  • a compartment that's endedand then after that
  • 00:21:56.331 --> 00:21:59.935
  • then there's this big transitionand you go to heaven."
  • 00:21:59.968 --> 00:22:03.338
  • And I don't think they realizehow much of what we do now
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  • we're gonna do in heavenwithout any of the distractions,
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  • without any of the problems.
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  • For instance, in heavenwe're gonna work.
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  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: But we'll neverget tired.
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  • We'll always be able to finisheverything we start.
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  • We will not have any opposition.
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  • It will be work as unto the Lordso joyous and wonderful.
  • 00:22:21.356 --> 00:22:25.026
  • And you go through a lot ofthe things that we do now,
  • 00:22:25.060 --> 00:22:28.230
  • the one thing we can't do inheaven is there won't be any
  • 00:22:28.263 --> 00:22:31.099
  • preaching which is kind of toughon me because
  • 00:22:31.133 --> 00:22:34.136
  • we're gonna know evenas we are known.
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  • There'll be worship.
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  • But, you know, I just thinkheaven is going to be everything
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  • that we started to do herewith all of the negative taken
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  • out of it.
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  • Sheila: Knowing how challengingthis year has been
  • 00:22:49.584 --> 00:22:52.287
  • for all of us, how does lookingforward to heaven personally
  • 00:22:52.320 --> 00:22:57.325
  • help you and center you?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, I gottahonestly tell you, Sheila,
  • 00:22:59.227 --> 00:23:01.062
  • I don't sit around all dayand think about heaven.
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  • I'm grateful that I know whatit's like and it's there for me
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  • and one day whenGod has finished with me here,
  • 00:23:07.202 --> 00:23:10.672
  • I plan to spend the restof my eternity there.
  • 00:23:10.705 --> 00:23:14.409
  • But just knowing thatthat's there.
  • 00:23:14.443 --> 00:23:16.678
  • There's so much despairin the lives of people
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  • who don't know Jesus Christ.
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  • They come to the endof their life.
  • 00:23:20.715 --> 00:23:23.084
  • When I was a studentat Dallas seminary,
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  • I worked at the Baylor Hospitalas a chaplain.
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  • That was one of my first jobs.
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  • I had no clue what I was doing.
  • 00:23:29.791 --> 00:23:32.427
  • But I learned some thingsthe hard way.
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  • One of my tasks was I carrieda little beeper around
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  • and when that went off,it meant that someone was
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  • in the family roomand they needed help.
  • 00:23:39.668 --> 00:23:42.537
  • I used to be able at the endof my time there,
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  • walk in the room and tell youwithout saying a word whether
  • 00:23:44.739 --> 00:23:48.043
  • I was gonna deal with Christiansor non-Christians
  • 00:23:48.076 --> 00:23:51.213
  • because the sense of despairin the lives of people
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  • who don't know Jesuswas so amazing.
  • 00:23:54.850 --> 00:23:57.452
  • I remember one time, a lady downon her knees pounding her head
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  • on the floor becauseshe'd lost her son.
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  • And I also know I've walked intothese rooms and there were tears
  • 00:24:04.459 --> 00:24:07.562
  • but they were tears sometimeswith a smile but tears
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  • of reflection and loveand not despair.
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  • Sheila: And hope, yeah.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: So that's thedifference that heaven makes.
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  • Heaven makes it all worthwhile.
  • 00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:23.044
  • Sheila: Is there anythingin particular about heaven
  • 00:24:23.078 --> 00:24:25.480
  • that you, personally,are looking forward to?
  • 00:24:25.514 --> 00:24:28.283
  • Dr. Jeremiah: I have a lotof questions that I don't know
  • 00:24:28.316 --> 00:24:30.485
  • the answers to and there's gonnabe some smart people up there
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  • who know the answers,who've lived in the answers.
  • 00:24:34.656 --> 00:24:38.326
  • It's kind of amazing to thinkabout having an eternity
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  • to hang out with John and Pauland Timothy and, of course,
  • 00:24:40.729 --> 00:24:45.166
  • most of all, to bewith the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.869
  • Sheila: Yeah,one of the things I love,
  • 00:24:47.903 --> 00:24:50.171
  • you talk about takingpersonal responsibility
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  • for living forward.
  • 00:24:53.108 --> 00:24:55.310
  • What does God expect from usbecause I can imagine
  • 00:24:55.343 --> 00:24:58.914
  • people thinking,"Well, I want to do all of this
  • 00:24:58.947 --> 00:25:00.782
  • but I can't do this by myself."
  • 00:25:00.815 --> 00:25:02.551
  • But God's not asking usto do that, is he?
  • 00:25:02.584 --> 00:25:04.586
  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,one of the pictures in my mind
  • 00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:06.721
  • that created this bookwas a statement
  • 00:25:06.755 --> 00:25:09.457
  • by N. T. Wright that wentsomething like this.
  • 00:25:09.491 --> 00:25:12.627
  • He said, "Christians havetwo thresholds in their life:
  • 00:25:12.661 --> 00:25:15.997
  • the threshold when they becomea Christian,
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  • and the thresholdwhen they go to heaven.
  • 00:25:18.333 --> 00:25:20.635
  • But," he said, "unfortunately,most Christians have no clue
  • 00:25:20.669 --> 00:25:24.773
  • what to do betweenthose two thresholds."
  • 00:25:24.806 --> 00:25:27.909
  • So when you ask mewhat is our responsibility,
  • 00:25:27.943 --> 00:25:30.078
  • our responsibility is to takethe instruction
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  • God has given usand put it into action.
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  • There should not be any doubtin our minds about what
  • 00:25:35.750 --> 00:25:38.620
  • God wants us to do becausehe's given it to us in his Word,
  • 00:25:38.653 --> 00:25:42.057
  • and yet, there's these differentattitudes about the Bible.
  • 00:25:42.090 --> 00:25:45.727
  • There's interpretationand there's observation
  • 00:25:45.760 --> 00:25:50.532
  • and then there's application.
  • 00:25:50.565 --> 00:25:52.767
  • And over the last two orthree books that I've written,
  • 00:25:52.801 --> 00:25:55.971
  • I have felt God pushing me hardtoward the application part,
  • 00:25:56.004 --> 00:26:00.809
  • simply because our problemis not a problem
  • 00:26:00.842 --> 00:26:04.012
  • between what we knowand what we don't know.
  • 00:26:04.045 --> 00:26:07.048
  • Our problem is a problem betweenwhat we know and we don't do.
  • 00:26:07.082 --> 00:26:11.553
  • And that's got to be changedif the church is gonna
  • 00:26:11.586 --> 00:26:14.089
  • ever make any differencein the world.
  • 00:26:14.122 --> 00:26:16.024
  • We know all thatwe're supposed to do.
  • 00:26:16.057 --> 00:26:18.193
  • We just don't do it.
  • 00:26:18.226 --> 00:26:20.028
  • And I'm praying that maybethis book will drive people
  • 00:26:20.061 --> 00:26:23.465
  • forward in the trenches thatGod has laid out in his Word
  • 00:26:23.498 --> 00:26:27.435
  • so we can begin to accomplishwhat he's called us to do.
  • 00:26:27.469 --> 00:26:31.272
  • Sheila: So that would beyour prayer that
  • 00:26:31.306 --> 00:26:32.674
  • when people have finishedlistening to this study,
  • 00:26:32.707 --> 00:26:35.110
  • that they would hear from Godpersonally in their own lives
  • 00:26:35.143 --> 00:26:38.213
  • and begin to livetheir life forward,
  • 00:26:38.246 --> 00:26:39.881
  • looking through the windshieldand not in the rear view mirror?
  • 00:26:39.914 --> 00:26:42.617
  • Dr. Jeremiah:Exactly, and for many of them,
  • 00:26:42.651 --> 00:26:43.985
  • Sheila, they already know it.
  • 00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:46.254
  • But to get doing it, pursue it,get their mind right, all right?
  • 00:26:46.287 --> 00:26:51.559
  • Sheila: Dr. Jeremiah,thank you so much
  • 00:26:51.593 --> 00:26:53.094
  • for allowing meto join you today.
  • 00:26:53.128 --> 00:26:54.696
  • I have learned so much,as I'm sure we all have.
  • 00:26:54.729 --> 00:26:57.465
  • As you say, it is timeto move forward.
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  • Thank you.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You're welcome.
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  • And I'm not using the word asthe ancient prophets did when
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  • Dr. David Jeremiah: Todayis about the rest of your life.
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  • Sheila Walsh: Dr. Jeremiah,it's just lovely
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  • to be with you again.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,thank you for coming.
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  • We've sort of been meetingall over the place,
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  • different parts of the country,and it's always
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  • because we're gonna talkabout something important.
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  • Sheila: But this is different.
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  • I cannot thinkof a more timely message.
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  • Tell us about your new project,"Forward."
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You know,"Forward" is not a place
  • 00:31:35.376 --> 00:31:37.345
  • where you are,it's a direction you go.
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  • And everybody needsto move forward.
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  • And Christians, especially,the past is something you know
  • 00:31:41.616 --> 00:31:45.086
  • for sure that's happened.
  • 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.654
  • Maybe you feel like, you know,"I wish I could go back there."
  • 00:31:46.688 --> 00:31:48.923
  • You always hear people talkingabout the good old days
  • 00:31:48.957 --> 00:31:50.792
  • which I haven't been ableto figure out when they were.
  • 00:31:50.825 --> 00:31:54.128
  • And obviously, sometimein the future they'll talk
  • 00:31:54.162 --> 00:31:57.198
  • about our days as those days.
  • 00:31:57.231 --> 00:31:59.367
  • Sheila: I'm not sureabout 2020.
  • 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.702
  • They might skip over that one.
  • 00:32:00.735 --> 00:32:02.036
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah, 2020,we might take that
  • 00:32:02.070 --> 00:32:03.371
  • off the calendar.
  • 00:32:03.404 --> 00:32:04.706
  • Yeah, that's a good idea.
  • 00:32:04.739 --> 00:32:06.040
  • Sheila: Let's dive in, though.
  • 00:32:06.074 --> 00:32:07.375
  • First step in moving forwardis "Dream."
  • 00:32:07.408 --> 00:32:08.710
  • And you write,"Seize your tomorrow today."
  • 00:32:08.743 --> 00:32:11.479
  • What do you mean by that?
  • 00:32:11.512 --> 00:32:12.847
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,the way we're constructed,
  • 00:32:13.014 --> 00:32:14.649
  • the way we're built,before we can go someplace,
  • 00:32:14.682 --> 00:32:17.251
  • we have to see it in our mind.
  • 00:32:17.285 --> 00:32:19.354
  • We have to be able to negotiateour destination before we start
  • 00:32:19.387 --> 00:32:23.257
  • the journey and,while we don't realize that
  • 00:32:23.291 --> 00:32:26.327
  • that's happening,we've done it all of our lives.
  • 00:32:26.361 --> 00:32:29.030
  • As you get older and you beginto realize your life
  • 00:32:29.063 --> 00:32:31.299
  • needs direction, you need to askGod what it is he wants you
  • 00:32:31.332 --> 00:32:35.503
  • to do and that becomesyour focus and your dream.
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  • Sheila: Some people would say,
  • 00:32:39.307 --> 00:32:40.641
  • "Well, isn't dreamingjust for the younger people,
  • 00:32:40.675 --> 00:32:43.578
  • you know, for people who havetheir whole life ahead of them?"
  • 00:32:43.611 --> 00:32:45.780
  • But you write, "Don't dismissthat so quickly."
  • 00:32:45.813 --> 00:32:47.982
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you stop dreaming,
  • 00:32:48.016 --> 00:32:49.584
  • you start dying.
  • 00:32:49.617 --> 00:32:51.519
  • If you don't have any reasonto get up,
  • 00:32:51.552 --> 00:32:53.187
  • if you don't have anythingyou believe you need to do,
  • 00:32:53.221 --> 00:32:55.256
  • if you don't feel any callingfrom God for what's next,
  • 00:32:55.289 --> 00:32:58.559
  • something happensand it's not pretty.
  • 00:32:58.593 --> 00:33:02.030
  • Sheila: The next stepyou talk about is one
  • 00:33:02.063 --> 00:33:03.698
  • that is so central to our faith:"Pray."
  • 00:33:03.731 --> 00:33:06.601
  • But I love the factthat you chose the life
  • 00:33:06.634 --> 00:33:08.970
  • of the prophet Nehemiahto illustrate
  • 00:33:09.003 --> 00:33:11.572
  • what forward praying looks like.
  • 00:33:11.606 --> 00:33:13.941
  • Why did you choose him?
  • 00:33:13.975 --> 00:33:15.410
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, becauseNehemiah's prayer was associated
  • 00:33:15.443 --> 00:33:17.879
  • with his dream, and I thoughtthat was a great way to tie
  • 00:33:17.912 --> 00:33:20.948
  • those two thoughts together.
  • 00:33:20.982 --> 00:33:22.683
  • The Bible says that whenthe Jews went back to Israel
  • 00:33:22.717 --> 00:33:26.988
  • and started to build the wallagain that they got discouraged
  • 00:33:27.021 --> 00:33:31.092
  • and they quit.
  • 00:33:31.125 --> 00:33:32.427
  • Nehemiah was in Shushan,the palace,
  • 00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:34.262
  • working for the governor,for the head
  • 00:33:34.295 --> 00:33:36.397
  • of the whole empire,and he wanted to go back
  • 00:33:36.431 --> 00:33:38.733
  • and help rebuild the walland this is what he said.
  • 00:33:38.766 --> 00:33:42.236
  • He said, "God put itin my heart."
  • 00:33:42.270 --> 00:33:45.473
  • That's where the dream began.
  • 00:33:45.506 --> 00:33:47.308
  • And he began to pray and thereason it was put in his heart
  • 00:33:47.341 --> 00:33:50.778
  • because he began to prayfor his friends back home,
  • 00:33:50.812 --> 00:33:53.514
  • that they weren't buildinganything.
  • 00:33:53.548 --> 00:33:54.949
  • He was brokenhearted,he was in tears.
  • 00:33:54.982 --> 00:33:57.018
  • And during that prayer,God put it in his heart.
  • 00:33:57.051 --> 00:33:59.053
  • How many times has it beenwhen you've prayed and God said,
  • 00:33:59.087 --> 00:34:01.989
  • "Okay, you answeryour own prayer"?
  • 00:34:02.023 --> 00:34:03.758
  • Sheila: That's so true.
  • 00:34:03.791 --> 00:34:05.093
  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's whathappened to Nehemiah.
  • 00:34:05.126 --> 00:34:06.561
  • Sheila: But it's interestingtoo because Nehemiah
  • 00:34:06.594 --> 00:34:08.629
  • had to take a risk going into see the king with a sad face.
  • 00:34:08.663 --> 00:34:14.469
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,he went in to see the king
  • 00:34:14.502 --> 00:34:15.803
  • and the king says,"Why are you sad?"
  • 00:34:15.837 --> 00:34:17.939
  • And it's really interestingif you study the culture.
  • 00:34:17.972 --> 00:34:20.341
  • That was a capital offense.
  • 00:34:20.374 --> 00:34:23.044
  • If you were ever sadin front of the king,
  • 00:34:23.077 --> 00:34:25.079
  • it was over for you.
  • 00:34:25.113 --> 00:34:27.381
  • When the king asked him that,he said,
  • 00:34:27.415 --> 00:34:28.916
  • "Well, why wouldn't I be sad?
  • 00:34:28.950 --> 00:34:30.251
  • My friends are back in Jerusalemand the walls are in disrepair."
  • 00:34:30.284 --> 00:34:35.723
  • Sheila: Yeah, but you powerfullyillustrate in that chapter
  • 00:34:35.756 --> 00:34:38.126
  • the way that Nehemiahshot up that quick prayer
  • 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.995
  • because sometimes you havetime to pray for a long time but
  • 00:34:41.028 --> 00:34:43.498
  • you're in front of a king, doingsomething that could cost you
  • 00:34:43.531 --> 00:34:47.101
  • your life, you don't have timefor a long prayer.
  • 00:34:47.135 --> 00:34:49.537
  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,that's really--
  • 00:34:49.570 --> 00:34:50.872
  • that's such a great thought,Sheila, because he's standing
  • 00:34:50.905 --> 00:34:52.340
  • in front of this man, this king,who's the awesome one.
  • 00:34:52.373 --> 00:34:56.110
  • And the Bible says he is asked"What do you want me to do?"
  • 00:34:56.144 --> 00:35:00.748
  • And then the Scripture says:"So I prayed to God
  • 00:35:00.781 --> 00:35:03.184
  • and I said to the king."
  • 00:35:03.217 --> 00:35:05.586
  • That's how that works, isn't it?
  • 00:35:05.620 --> 00:35:07.255
  • You get caught in a moment.
  • 00:35:07.288 --> 00:35:08.689
  • You don't have a long time fora lot of introductory phrases.
  • 00:35:08.723 --> 00:35:11.993
  • You just pray to God.
  • 00:35:12.026 --> 00:35:13.928
  • That's calledinstantaneous prayer.
  • 00:35:13.961 --> 00:35:16.197
  • I often thought that we knowwhat it's like to say,
  • 00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:18.399
  • "God, help.
  • 00:35:18.432 --> 00:35:19.767
  • Help me.I don't know what to do."
  • 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.136
  • Sheila: I thoughtit was interesting,
  • 00:35:22.170 --> 00:35:23.638
  • "Choosing Your Priorities."
  • 00:35:23.671 --> 00:35:24.972
  • I think, and maybe particularlyat the moment,
  • 00:35:25.006 --> 00:35:26.407
  • people feel pulled in a millionand one directions.
  • 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.410
  • How do you learnhow to prioritize
  • 00:35:29.443 --> 00:35:31.546
  • and get rid of distractions?
  • 00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:33.648
  • Dr. Jeremiah: What I've learnedis if you wanna say, "Yes",
  • 00:35:33.681 --> 00:35:35.917
  • to something more,you have to be willing to say
  • 00:35:35.950 --> 00:35:37.919
  • "No" to somethingyou're already doing.
  • 00:35:37.952 --> 00:35:39.954
  • That's been a really hard lessonfor me because
  • 00:35:39.987 --> 00:35:42.590
  • I'm a "Yes" person when peopleask me to do something.
  • 00:35:42.623 --> 00:35:45.092
  • But in order for you to realizeyour dream and get to where
  • 00:35:45.126 --> 00:35:49.630
  • you believe God wants you to go,you can't be doing everything.
  • 00:35:49.664 --> 00:35:54.635
  • Sheila: Yeah, it took mea while to learn that "No"
  • 00:35:54.669 --> 00:35:56.671
  • is a complete sentence.
  • 00:35:56.704 --> 00:35:58.005
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes, it is.It is indeed.
  • 00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:59.340
  • Sheila:Getting back to basics,
  • 00:35:59.373 --> 00:36:01.108
  • when it comesto choosing priorities,
  • 00:36:01.142 --> 00:36:03.010
  • what does Jesus sayabout how we go about that?
  • 00:36:03.044 --> 00:36:06.180
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,one time he was asked,
  • 00:36:06.214 --> 00:36:08.049
  • what was the mostimportant thing and he said,
  • 00:36:08.082 --> 00:36:09.850
  • "The most important thing isto love God with all your heart
  • 00:36:09.884 --> 00:36:13.154
  • and secondly, love others.
  • 00:36:13.187 --> 00:36:15.089
  • And then thirdly,"which surprises most people,
  • 00:36:15.122 --> 00:36:17.625
  • "love yourself."
  • 00:36:17.658 --> 00:36:19.093
  • That often is misunderstoodand misapplied
  • 00:36:19.126 --> 00:36:21.128
  • but it doesn't meanit has to go away.
  • 00:36:21.162 --> 00:36:23.364
  • Love your neighbors as yourself.
  • 00:36:23.397 --> 00:36:26.601
  • And until you begin to realizehow important it is to take care
  • 00:36:26.634 --> 00:36:29.170
  • of yourself, you don't haveanything to give
  • 00:36:29.203 --> 00:36:30.838
  • to anybody else.
  • 00:36:30.871 --> 00:36:32.306
  • Sheila: How do you personally,Dr. Jeremiah,
  • 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.108
  • organize your priorities?
  • 00:36:34.141 --> 00:36:36.644
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Oh, you know,I sometimes think my priorities
  • 00:36:36.677 --> 00:36:39.046
  • organize me, you know?
  • 00:36:39.080 --> 00:36:41.082
  • That's what it feels like a lot.
  • 00:36:41.115 --> 00:36:43.150
  • I have one basic prioritythat kind of drives everything
  • 00:36:43.184 --> 00:36:46.187
  • and that is I'm committedto the task of teaching
  • 00:36:46.220 --> 00:36:49.156
  • the Word of God.
  • 00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:50.491
  • That's what he's called meto do.
  • 00:36:50.524 --> 00:36:52.260
  • And it's really hard for meto add things to my life
  • 00:36:52.293 --> 00:36:55.062
  • that don't have somethingto do with that.
  • 00:36:55.096 --> 00:36:57.632
  • I do, but I don't do it veryoften and I don't usually do it
  • 00:36:57.665 --> 00:37:00.801
  • very productivelybecause what I do is so tied
  • 00:37:00.835 --> 00:37:06.774
  • to what I believe isimportant for me,
  • 00:37:06.807 --> 00:37:10.611
  • I don't thinkthat's the only priority
  • 00:37:10.645 --> 00:37:12.246
  • and it's not the priority foreverybody but it's my priority.
  • 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.250
  • Sheila: You talkabout the importance
  • 00:37:16.284 --> 00:37:18.152
  • in the next step of "Focus."
  • 00:37:18.185 --> 00:37:20.388
  • I think a lot of people feellike they get stuck in the past
  • 00:37:20.421 --> 00:37:23.224
  • and I was wondering howdo you find that right balance
  • 00:37:23.257 --> 00:37:26.994
  • between balancing the past,the present, and the future?
  • 00:37:27.028 --> 00:37:31.565
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,that chapter's kind of built
  • 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:33.534
  • around maybe the theme verse forthe whole book where Paul says,
  • 00:37:33.567 --> 00:37:36.337
  • "Forgetting those thingswhich are behind, I press toward
  • 00:37:36.370 --> 00:37:39.540
  • the mark for the high callingof God in Christ Jesus."
  • 00:37:39.573 --> 00:37:42.510
  • And what Paul wasn't saying is,"Do away with my past,"
  • 00:37:42.543 --> 00:37:46.414
  • but what he was saying is,"I'm not gonna let the past
  • 00:37:46.447 --> 00:37:49.150
  • control my presentor my future."
  • 00:37:49.183 --> 00:37:51.485
  • And when you stopand think about it,
  • 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.020
  • Paul had some awful thingsto forget, you know?
  • 00:37:53.054 --> 00:37:57.158
  • He was the great persecutorof the church.
  • 00:37:57.191 --> 00:38:00.461
  • He killed some peoplebecause of their faith.
  • 00:38:00.494 --> 00:38:02.897
  • I know he imprisoneda lot of them.
  • 00:38:02.930 --> 00:38:05.166
  • I know a lot of people that havebad things in their past
  • 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.501
  • and they can't get beyond it.
  • 00:38:07.535 --> 00:38:09.503
  • But Paul also hadsome good things.
  • 00:38:09.537 --> 00:38:11.505
  • He was the Pharisee of Pharisee.
  • 00:38:11.539 --> 00:38:13.207
  • He had--his pedigree,which is in the Bible twice,
  • 00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:16.510
  • is like none you'd ever readin your life.
  • 00:38:16.544 --> 00:38:18.879
  • He was so well qualified andhe had so much going for him
  • 00:38:18.913 --> 00:38:21.949
  • and Paul said,
  • 00:38:21.982 --> 00:38:23.651
  • "Neither my failures normy successes control my life."
  • 00:38:23.684 --> 00:38:28.055
  • I don't let those thingscontrol me.
  • 00:38:28.089 --> 00:38:30.891
  • I have a goal for the future andthat's what drives me forward.
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  • Sheila: Welcome back.I'm Sheila Walsh.
  • 00:39:34.722 --> 00:39:36.390
  • I'm here with Dr. David Jeremiahto discuss his new series,
  • 00:39:36.424 --> 00:39:39.727
  • "Forward: DiscoveringGod's Presence and Purpose
  • 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.297
  • for Your Life."
  • 00:39:43.330 --> 00:39:45.833
  • What did you meanwhen you wrote,
  • 00:39:45.866 --> 00:39:47.401
  • "Make the one thingthe main thing"?
  • 00:39:47.435 --> 00:39:51.205
  • Dr. Jeremiah: It's not easyto come up with one thing
  • 00:39:51.238 --> 00:39:53.240
  • but when you realize what it isthat God wants you to do,
  • 00:39:53.274 --> 00:39:56.510
  • when you figure that out,then you spend
  • 00:39:56.544 --> 00:39:59.013
  • the rest of your life tryingto make sure
  • 00:39:59.046 --> 00:40:01.148
  • that it keeps its placeas your priority.
  • 00:40:01.182 --> 00:40:04.785
  • And it is attackedevery single day.
  • 00:40:04.819 --> 00:40:08.122
  • Sheila: Yeah,I love the next step,
  • 00:40:08.155 --> 00:40:10.558
  • "Risk: Getting Outof the Safe Zone."
  • 00:40:10.591 --> 00:40:14.462
  • We don't always think about,as believers,
  • 00:40:14.495 --> 00:40:15.996
  • of taking a risk.
  • 00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:17.331
  • We think of that maybe as,you know, dangerous,
  • 00:40:17.364 --> 00:40:20.134
  • careless behavior.
  • 00:40:20.167 --> 00:40:21.702
  • But in your experienceas a pastor,
  • 00:40:21.735 --> 00:40:23.370
  • why is that so important to beable to move out
  • 00:40:23.404 --> 00:40:27.141
  • of a safe placeto a place of risk?
  • 00:40:27.174 --> 00:40:28.709
  • Dr. Jeremiah:Well, I suppose, to be honest,
  • 00:40:28.742 --> 00:40:30.077
  • Sheila, risk is just anothermore secular term for faith.
  • 00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:34.548
  • Living in the unknown,beyond where you can see.
  • 00:40:34.582 --> 00:40:38.052
  • And if you're not willingto risk as a believer,
  • 00:40:38.085 --> 00:40:41.055
  • if you're not willingto walk by faith,
  • 00:40:41.088 --> 00:40:43.257
  • you can't go forward.
  • 00:40:43.290 --> 00:40:44.925
  • You're always gonna be waitingfor the next place
  • 00:40:44.959 --> 00:40:46.894
  • where you feel secureand you will never go beyond
  • 00:40:46.927 --> 00:40:49.296
  • your security blanket and that'swhere a lot of Christians are.
  • 00:40:49.330 --> 00:40:53.167
  • And the Bibledoesn't allow us that.
  • 00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:55.135
  • The Bible's so filled withstories about people who risked
  • 00:40:55.169 --> 00:40:57.905
  • in their walk with Godand that's where the joy is.
  • 00:40:57.938 --> 00:41:01.809
  • That's where the advance is.
  • 00:41:01.842 --> 00:41:03.310
  • Sheila: And you highlightthat powerfully
  • 00:41:03.344 --> 00:41:04.712
  • through the life of Caleb.
  • 00:41:04.745 --> 00:41:06.046
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yes.
  • 00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:07.381
  • Sheila: Tell us about that.
  • 00:41:07.414 --> 00:41:08.716
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,Caleb was among a bunch of guys
  • 00:41:08.749 --> 00:41:10.050
  • who went into Canaansupposedly to spy it out,
  • 00:41:10.084 --> 00:41:14.154
  • really just to confirm what Godhad already told them was there.
  • 00:41:14.188 --> 00:41:17.791
  • And when they got into Canaan,ten of the guys saw the people
  • 00:41:17.825 --> 00:41:22.830
  • that were there, the giants,and they came back
  • 00:41:22.863 --> 00:41:26.000
  • and they said,"We can't go in there.
  • 00:41:26.033 --> 00:41:28.302
  • We're like grasshoppers.These are huge men.
  • 00:41:28.335 --> 00:41:30.738
  • We'll get destroyed."
  • 00:41:30.771 --> 00:41:32.806
  • Caleb and Joshua came back.
  • 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:34.708
  • They had a muchdifferent report.
  • 00:41:34.742 --> 00:41:36.677
  • They were in the minority.
  • 00:41:36.710 --> 00:41:38.612
  • They risked everything to say,"That isn't true.
  • 00:41:38.646 --> 00:41:40.614
  • We are able to do this."
  • 00:41:40.648 --> 00:41:43.317
  • I've always thought this.
  • 00:41:43.350 --> 00:41:44.952
  • The ten guys who said,"We can't do it,"
  • 00:41:44.985 --> 00:41:47.755
  • made the mistake of measuringthemselves against the giants.
  • 00:41:47.788 --> 00:41:51.859
  • Caleb and Joshua measuredthemselves against God
  • 00:41:51.892 --> 00:41:54.862
  • and they realized that whilethey were not able to do it,
  • 00:41:54.895 --> 00:41:57.831
  • they had a big God who couldhelp them take the risk
  • 00:41:57.865 --> 00:42:01.402
  • and you know the restof the story.
  • 00:42:01.435 --> 00:42:03.938
  • The people who didn't believe,the spies,
  • 00:42:03.971 --> 00:42:06.707
  • they were immediately destroyed,and all the people who believed
  • 00:42:06.740 --> 00:42:09.710
  • the spies had 40 yearsuntil they all died
  • 00:42:09.743 --> 00:42:15.149
  • before they were allowed to gointo the Promised Land.
  • 00:42:15.182 --> 00:42:17.318
  • And when it wasall said and done,
  • 00:42:17.351 --> 00:42:19.219
  • only the two guys that risked,Caleb and Joshua,
  • 00:42:19.253 --> 00:42:22.222
  • had the privilege of going in.
  • 00:42:22.256 --> 00:42:24.558
  • Sheila: Amazing.
  • 00:42:24.592 --> 00:42:25.893
  • What are the benefits,spiritually,
  • 00:42:25.926 --> 00:42:28.062
  • of living in the faith zone?
  • 00:42:28.095 --> 00:42:29.663
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,I'll tell you one thing.
  • 00:42:29.697 --> 00:42:31.165
  • It sure is exciting.
  • 00:42:31.198 --> 00:42:32.666
  • It's very adventuresome.
  • 00:42:32.700 --> 00:42:34.435
  • Every day you have to just say,"Lord, whatever comes today,
  • 00:42:34.468 --> 00:42:36.637
  • help me figure it outand do what you want me to do
  • 00:42:36.670 --> 00:42:39.907
  • and live by faith every dayand trust you."
  • 00:42:39.940 --> 00:42:42.876
  • That's just kindof the daily thing, but then,
  • 00:42:42.910 --> 00:42:45.312
  • there's the big things toothat come along.
  • 00:42:45.346 --> 00:42:47.348
  • I remember whenwe were trying to buy
  • 00:42:47.381 --> 00:42:49.984
  • the first radio station timeand how scary that was to us.
  • 00:42:50.017 --> 00:42:53.821
  • We didn't havethe money to do it.
  • 00:42:53.854 --> 00:42:55.456
  • We felt God was calling usto do it.
  • 00:42:55.489 --> 00:42:57.491
  • And I remember saying, "Yes,"when I had no idea
  • 00:42:57.524 --> 00:43:01.362
  • how it was gonna happen.
  • 00:43:01.395 --> 00:43:02.696
  • Sheila: That's faith.
  • 00:43:02.730 --> 00:43:04.031
  • Dr. Jeremiah:There's a fine line,
  • 00:43:04.064 --> 00:43:05.366
  • as you know, between faithand foolishness and
  • 00:43:05.399 --> 00:43:06.700
  • you gotta be careful that youdon't just get crazy and say,
  • 00:43:06.734 --> 00:43:08.836
  • "I'm just gonna do thisand God'll bless it."
  • 00:43:08.869 --> 00:43:11.205
  • But God is honoredwhen we take a step of faith
  • 00:43:11.238 --> 00:43:14.475
  • and trust him to fulfillhis promise.
  • 00:43:14.508 --> 00:43:18.679
  • Sheila: You talk on the nextstep about "chasing your dream,"
  • 00:43:18.712 --> 00:43:22.983
  • and I think many of usare guilty of not doing that.
  • 00:43:23.017 --> 00:43:25.252
  • We almost kind of quitand give up.
  • 00:43:25.285 --> 00:43:27.721
  • And one of the questionsI get asked often is,
  • 00:43:27.755 --> 00:43:31.191
  • "Is it possible to know God'swill and plan for your life?"
  • 00:43:31.225 --> 00:43:35.796
  • Dr. Jeremiah: I actually dobelieve that it is.
  • 00:43:35.829 --> 00:43:37.865
  • I believe you can knowwhat God wants you to do
  • 00:43:37.898 --> 00:43:39.933
  • and I think there's a passivitythat fills the hearts
  • 00:43:39.967 --> 00:43:43.070
  • of a lot of peoplebecause they think,
  • 00:43:43.103 --> 00:43:44.872
  • "Well, if this is whatGod wants me to do,
  • 00:43:44.905 --> 00:43:47.107
  • he's gonna do it andI'll just be a participant."
  • 00:43:47.141 --> 00:43:50.678
  • I actually hear peopleteach that.
  • 00:43:50.711 --> 00:43:52.680
  • God has promised to do his partbut that doesn't mean
  • 00:43:52.713 --> 00:43:55.716
  • we don't have a partto play too.
  • 00:43:55.749 --> 00:43:57.618
  • Maybe that's at the heartof where some people
  • 00:43:57.651 --> 00:43:59.853
  • get lost because they thinkambition is not something
  • 00:43:59.887 --> 00:44:03.390
  • that has a Christian value.
  • 00:44:03.424 --> 00:44:05.359
  • You know, selfish ambitionis wrong but godly ambition
  • 00:44:05.392 --> 00:44:08.896
  • is right.
  • 00:44:08.929 --> 00:44:10.597
  • God expects us to be ambitiousfor the things he calls us to do
  • 00:44:10.631 --> 00:44:13.934
  • and not just sit around andwait for something to happen,
  • 00:44:13.967 --> 00:44:17.004
  • which is what a lotof people do.
  • 00:44:17.037 --> 00:44:18.772
  • God wants us to strive forwardand move toward the goal
  • 00:44:18.806 --> 00:44:21.942
  • he's set before us.
  • 00:44:21.975 --> 00:44:23.477
  • Sheila: What do you thinkit would be like
  • 00:44:23.510 --> 00:44:24.812
  • if every believer in our nationactually dared to dream
  • 00:44:24.845 --> 00:44:27.648
  • and ask God what is your purposeand then embraced it?
  • 00:44:27.681 --> 00:44:32.052
  • Dr. Jeremiah: It'd be a muchdifferent world
  • 00:44:32.086 --> 00:44:33.821
  • than we have right now.
  • 00:44:33.854 --> 00:44:35.556
  • I don't know what the percentageof people are who do that.
  • 00:44:35.589 --> 00:44:38.459
  • It probably isn't as high aswe might even imagine but,
  • 00:44:38.492 --> 00:44:42.563
  • you know, when you're aroundsomebody like that,
  • 00:44:42.596 --> 00:44:45.265
  • it's infectious.
  • 00:44:45.299 --> 00:44:47.267
  • You can sense, you know,this man, this woman,
  • 00:44:47.301 --> 00:44:50.571
  • God has a plan for them andthey're invested in that plan.
  • 00:44:50.604 --> 00:44:53.707
  • Sheila: Yeah, you talkabout the next step,
  • 00:44:53.741 --> 00:44:55.943
  • "Believe: GettingYour Mind Right."
  • 00:44:55.976 --> 00:44:57.811
  • What's the difference between--I mean,
  • 00:44:57.845 --> 00:44:59.847
  • if you go to typical bookstores,there's whole sections
  • 00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.616
  • on self-help and psychology.
  • 00:45:02.649 --> 00:45:04.718
  • But there's a differencebetween believing, trusting God,
  • 00:45:04.752 --> 00:45:08.622
  • and just positive thinking.
  • 00:45:08.655 --> 00:45:11.158
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Paul said,"I can do all things
  • 00:45:11.191 --> 00:45:13.293
  • through Christwho strengthens me."
  • 00:45:13.327 --> 00:45:15.562
  • That's not neutral motivation.
  • 00:45:15.596 --> 00:45:18.599
  • That's spiritual motivation.
  • 00:45:18.632 --> 00:45:20.701
  • One time, Paul listsall the things that come
  • 00:45:20.734 --> 00:45:23.003
  • against him in life and he said,
  • 00:45:23.036 --> 00:45:25.372
  • "But I am a super-conquerorover all these things."
  • 00:45:25.405 --> 00:45:30.244
  • I love that because the Greekword has the word "nike" in it
  • 00:45:30.277 --> 00:45:33.647
  • and the word "nike"means victory.
  • 00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:36.617
  • And Paul said, "All those thingsare against me
  • 00:45:36.650 --> 00:45:38.719
  • but I still have victoryover them."
  • 00:45:38.752 --> 00:45:40.788
  • Super-victory.
  • 00:45:40.821 --> 00:45:42.489
  • Paul was a positive personand we need more
  • 00:45:42.523 --> 00:45:47.027
  • and more people to stand up andbe positive about their faith.
  • 00:45:47.060 --> 00:45:51.832
  • Yes, we need to deal with sinwhen it comes
  • 00:45:51.865 --> 00:45:54.134
  • and we should never ignore itbut life, if you're a Christian,
  • 00:45:54.168 --> 00:45:59.106
  • can be a positive walk with God.
  • 00:45:59.139 --> 00:46:01.175
  • Sheila: But why do you thinkit is that so many believers,
  • 00:46:01.208 --> 00:46:04.144
  • so many in the church,are way more like Eeyore
  • 00:46:04.178 --> 00:46:06.613
  • than they are like Tigger?
  • 00:46:06.647 --> 00:46:08.215
  • Why is it that negative thinkingis--I mean,
  • 00:46:08.248 --> 00:46:10.517
  • if you think aboutwhat we believe,
  • 00:46:10.551 --> 00:46:12.386
  • we should be the mostpositive people on the planet.
  • 00:46:12.419 --> 00:46:14.822
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,if we really believe
  • 00:46:14.855 --> 00:46:17.024
  • what we believebecause it's from God,
  • 00:46:17.057 --> 00:46:18.859
  • we trust God to help us,and we can be positive.
  • 00:46:18.892 --> 00:46:21.361
  • But so often what happensand this is called legalism,
  • 00:46:21.395 --> 00:46:25.165
  • we become Christiansand we think it's up to us
  • 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.501
  • to keep the standard up.
  • 00:46:27.534 --> 00:46:28.969
  • So, the way you do that is,you keep denying everything
  • 00:46:29.002 --> 00:46:31.371
  • that gets in your way and youjust become a negative person.
  • 00:46:31.405 --> 00:46:34.408
  • Sheila: Wow, how has the Biblehelped you to remain positive
  • 00:46:34.842 --> 00:46:39.646
  • 'cause I know that you have gonethrough tough things
  • 00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:42.149
  • in your life over and over.
  • 00:46:42.182 --> 00:46:44.284
  • How has God's Word helped youto remain positive?
  • 00:46:44.318 --> 00:46:47.754
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well,when you read the Bible,
  • 00:46:47.788 --> 00:46:49.456
  • you just keep runninginto these people who,
  • 00:46:49.489 --> 00:46:52.226
  • like, for instance, Joseph.
  • 00:46:52.259 --> 00:46:54.394
  • His brothers wanted to destroyhim and his take on it was,
  • 00:46:54.428 --> 00:46:59.700
  • "You meant it for evil,but God meant it for good."
  • 00:46:59.733 --> 00:47:02.903
  • And there are so many storieslike Daniel's that way.
  • 00:47:02.936 --> 00:47:05.539
  • If you read the Bible, you justrun into these people over
  • 00:47:05.572 --> 00:47:08.342
  • and over again and you think,"I have no right to complain."
  • 00:47:08.375 --> 00:47:12.045
  • The things men and womenwent through in the Scripture
  • 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.848
  • make our battles todayseem rather petty
  • 00:47:14.882 --> 00:47:19.086
  • and there really isn'tany reason for us to be negative
  • 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.289
  • if we know the Godwe claim to know.
  • 00:47:22.322 --> 00:47:25.792
  • Sheila: That's so true.That is a great perspective.
  • 00:47:25.826 --> 00:47:27.794
  • I love this next step:"Invest: Outlive Your Life."
  • 00:47:27.828 --> 00:47:33.133
  • What do you mean by that?
  • 00:47:33.166 --> 00:47:34.801
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, Sheila,you can live your life
  • 00:47:34.835 --> 00:47:36.169
  • in such a way that afteryou're gone it keeps on going,
  • 00:47:36.203 --> 00:47:39.273
  • you know?
  • 00:47:39.306 --> 00:47:40.607
  • Living your life in such a way
  • 00:47:40.641 --> 00:47:41.942
  • that you investin the Word of God,
  • 00:47:41.975 --> 00:47:44.444
  • in the work of God,and in the wealth of God
  • 00:47:44.478 --> 00:47:46.780
  • in such a way thatit lives beyond you.
  • 00:47:46.813 --> 00:47:51.118
  • Sheila: For someone who'swatching who's not a pastor,
  • 00:47:51.151 --> 00:47:53.587
  • maybe not in what they wouldconsider full-time ministry,
  • 00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:55.923
  • how do you live investingin eternal things?
  • 00:47:55.956 --> 00:47:59.259
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, you know,those three things
  • 00:47:59.293 --> 00:48:00.694
  • I think are the key things.
  • 00:48:00.727 --> 00:48:02.763
  • You study the Word of Godand you share it.
  • 00:48:02.796 --> 00:48:04.298
  • Did you know, Sheila,there's only two things
  • 00:48:04.331 --> 00:48:06.266
  • that are eternal:the Word of God
  • 00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:08.769
  • and the souls of men and women.
  • 00:48:08.802 --> 00:48:11.138
  • So when you investin the Word of God
  • 00:48:11.171 --> 00:48:13.607
  • and you invest in the soulsof men and women,
  • 00:48:13.640 --> 00:48:15.642
  • you're investing in thingsthat are eternal
  • 00:48:15.676 --> 00:48:17.744
  • that are gonna go before youinto heaven.
  • 00:48:17.778 --> 00:48:19.980
  • They'll be there.
  • 00:48:20.013 --> 00:48:21.715
  • The Bible is forever.
  • 00:48:21.748 --> 00:48:23.650
  • Men and womenhave forever souls.
  • 00:48:23.684 --> 00:48:25.719
  • When you invest in someone,for instance,
  • 00:48:25.752 --> 00:48:28.188
  • and you share the gospelwith them and they become
  • 00:48:28.221 --> 00:48:30.324
  • a Christian, you have investedin their eternity and one day
  • 00:48:30.357 --> 00:48:34.461
  • you're gonna be in heaven.
  • 00:48:34.494 --> 00:48:35.929
  • You know, there's a song thatwas written years ago called,
  • 00:48:35.963 --> 00:48:37.831
  • "Thank you," and it's all aboutpeople in heaven coming up
  • 00:48:37.864 --> 00:48:41.001
  • to you and saying, "Thank youfor telling me about Jesus
  • 00:48:41.034 --> 00:48:44.304
  • so I could be in heaven."
  • 00:48:44.338 --> 00:48:45.772
  • Sheila: "I'm a lifethat was saved."
  • 00:48:45.806 --> 00:48:47.107
  • Dr. Jeremiah: That's right.
  • 00:48:47.140 --> 00:48:48.442
  • Sheila: I love that.
  • 00:48:48.475 --> 00:48:49.776
  • Because in these dayswhen people are concerned
  • 00:48:49.810 --> 00:48:52.179
  • about financial investments,concerned about all that,
  • 00:48:52.212 --> 00:48:54.314
  • we can invest in the livesof our children, of our family,
  • 00:48:54.348 --> 00:48:58.552
  • of our friends,of our co-workers.
  • 00:48:58.585 --> 00:49:00.687
  • That's something thatevery single one of us can do.
  • 00:49:00.721 --> 00:49:03.423
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Do you knowthat--this is a true statement.
  • 00:49:03.457 --> 00:49:05.459
  • You're either moving awayfrom your investment
  • 00:49:05.492 --> 00:49:07.661
  • or you're moving toward it.
  • 00:49:07.694 --> 00:49:09.963
  • If your investment is on thisearth and that's all you have,
  • 00:49:09.997 --> 00:49:12.399
  • you're moving away from it.
  • 00:49:12.432 --> 00:49:14.634
  • You won't be able to have that.
  • 00:49:14.668 --> 00:49:16.370
  • But if you invest in the thingsof eternity,
  • 00:49:16.403 --> 00:49:18.138
  • you're moving toward it.
  • 00:49:18.171 --> 00:49:20.107
  • Your investment is still ahead.
  • 00:49:20.140 --> 00:49:21.742
  • Sheila: That's beautiful.
  • 00:49:21.775 --> 00:49:23.310
  • Then you talk about, "You're notdone until you're done."
  • 00:49:23.343 --> 00:49:26.146
  • Your next step is to "Finish."
  • 00:49:26.179 --> 00:49:27.981
  • And reading that chapter,
  • 00:49:28.015 --> 00:49:29.916
  • I don't knowhow you felt writing,
  • 00:49:29.950 --> 00:49:31.618
  • but it felt like the mostpersonal chapter.
  • 00:49:31.651 --> 00:49:34.087
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Yeah,because it's kind of
  • 00:49:34.121 --> 00:49:35.789
  • where I'm at in life.
  • 00:49:35.822 --> 00:49:37.190
  • I wanted to use the byline,
  • 00:49:37.224 --> 00:49:38.892
  • "If you're not dead,you're not done,"
  • 00:49:38.925 --> 00:49:41.461
  • but they wouldn'tlet me do that.
  • 00:49:41.495 --> 00:49:42.996
  • I thought that wasthe better one but--
  • 00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:44.464
  • Sheila: I like that.
  • 00:49:44.498 --> 00:49:45.966
  • Dr. Jeremiah: But if you're notdone you're not done.
  • 00:49:45.999 --> 00:49:47.467
  • And I just talked aboutall the things that
  • 00:49:47.501 --> 00:49:48.802
  • are about finishing strong.
  • 00:49:48.835 --> 00:49:50.504
  • I can just say that for allthe years that I've been alive
  • 00:49:50.537 --> 00:49:53.807
  • including up to right now,I've gotten up every day
  • 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.044
  • excited to do whatGod has called me to do.
  • 00:49:57.077 --> 00:50:00.781
  • I mean, I have my bad dayslike everybody does,
  • 00:50:00.814 --> 00:50:03.850
  • but I've never ever thoughtabout, "Oh, my goodness,
  • 00:50:03.884 --> 00:50:06.953
  • what am I gonna dowith the rest of my life?"
  • 00:50:06.987 --> 00:50:09.156
  • I'm sure my life is gonnarun out before I get done
  • 00:50:09.189 --> 00:50:12.159
  • with everything I wanna do.
  • 00:50:12.192 --> 00:50:13.593
  • Sheila: I'm so glad youdidn't stop after the last book
  • 00:50:13.627 --> 00:50:15.896
  • because this book, it's alreadyhad a huge impact on my life.
  • 00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:18.732
  • So we finished well.
  • 00:50:18.765 --> 00:50:20.767
  • Is there one more step?
  • 00:50:20.801 --> 00:50:23.203
  • Dr. Jeremiah:Yeah, to celebrate.
  • 00:50:23.236 --> 00:50:24.571
  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
  • 00:50:24.604 --> 00:50:25.906
  • Dr. Jeremiah: And the reasonI think that's so powerful is
  • 00:50:25.939 --> 00:50:27.441
  • because a lot of people think,"Okay, this life is like
  • 00:50:27.474 --> 00:50:31.044
  • a compartment that's endedand then after that
  • 00:50:31.078 --> 00:50:34.681
  • then there's this big transitionand you go to heaven."
  • 00:50:34.714 --> 00:50:38.085
  • And I don't think they realizehow much of what we do now
  • 00:50:38.118 --> 00:50:40.287
  • we're gonna do in heavenwithout any of the distractions,
  • 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.425
  • without any of the problems.
  • 00:50:45.459 --> 00:50:47.360
  • For instance, in heavenwe're gonna work.
  • 00:50:47.394 --> 00:50:49.296
  • Sheila: Yeah, love that.
  • 00:50:49.329 --> 00:50:50.630
  • Dr. Jeremiah: But we'll neverget tired.
  • 00:50:50.664 --> 00:50:51.965
  • We'll always be able to finisheverything we start.
  • 00:50:51.998 --> 00:50:53.967
  • We will not have any opposition.
  • 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.069
  • It will be work as unto the Lordso joyous and wonderful.
  • 00:50:56.103 --> 00:50:59.773
  • And you go through a lot ofthe things that we do now,
  • 00:50:59.806 --> 00:51:02.976
  • the one thing we can't do inheaven is there won't be any
  • 00:51:03.009 --> 00:51:05.846
  • preaching which is kind of toughon me because
  • 00:51:05.879 --> 00:51:08.882
  • we're gonna know evenas we are known.
  • 00:51:08.915 --> 00:51:10.917
  • There'll be worship.
  • 00:51:10.951 --> 00:51:13.120
  • But, you know, I just thinkheaven is going to be everything
  • 00:51:13.153 --> 00:51:17.791
  • that we started to do herewith all of the negative taken
  • 00:51:17.824 --> 00:51:22.295
  • out of it.
  • 00:51:22.329 --> 00:51:23.630
  • Sheila: How does looking forwardto heaven personally help you
  • 00:51:23.663 --> 00:51:27.434
  • and center you?
  • 00:51:27.467 --> 00:51:29.136
  • Dr. Jeremiah: Well, I gottahonestly tell you, Sheila,
  • 00:51:29.169 --> 00:51:31.004
  • I don't sit around all dayand think about heaven.
  • 00:51:31.037 --> 00:51:34.040
  • I'm grateful that I know whatit's like and it's there for me
  • 00:51:34.074 --> 00:51:37.110
  • and one day whenGod has finished with me here,
  • 00:51:37.144 --> 00:51:40.614
  • I plan to spend the restof my eternity there.
  • 00:51:40.647 --> 00:51:44.351
  • But just knowing thatthat's there.
  • 00:51:44.384 --> 00:51:46.620
  • There's so much despairin the lives of people
  • 00:51:46.653 --> 00:51:48.822
  • who don't know Jesus Christ.
  • 00:51:48.855 --> 00:51:50.357
  • That's the differencethat heaven makes.
  • 00:51:50.390 --> 00:51:53.160
  • Heaven makes it all worthwhile.
  • 00:51:53.193 --> 00:51:55.662
  • Sheila: Is there anythingin particular about heaven
  • 00:51:55.695 --> 00:51:58.098
  • that you, personally,are looking forward to?
  • 00:51:58.131 --> 00:52:00.901
  • Dr. Jeremiah: I have a lotof questions that I don't know
  • 00:52:00.934 --> 00:52:03.103
  • the answers to and there's gonnabe some smart people up there
  • 00:52:03.136 --> 00:52:07.240
  • who know the answers,who've lived in the answers.
  • 00:52:07.274 --> 00:52:10.944
  • It's kind of amazing to thinkabout having an eternity
  • 00:52:10.977 --> 00:52:13.313
  • to hang out with John and Pauland Timothy and, of course,
  • 00:52:13.346 --> 00:52:17.784
  • most of all, to bewith the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  • Sheila: Yeah,one of the things I love,
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  • you talk about takingpersonal responsibility
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  • for living forward.
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  • What does God expect from usbecause I can imagine
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  • people thinking,"Well, I want to do all of this
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  • but I can't do this by myself."
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  • But God's not asking usto do that, is he?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: No, you know,one of the pictures in my mind
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  • that created this bookwas a statement
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  • by N. T. Wright that wentsomething like this.
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  • He said, "Christians havetwo thresholds in their life:
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  • the threshold when they becomea Christian,
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  • and the thresholdwhen they go to heaven.
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  • But," he said, "unfortunately,most Christians have no clue
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  • what to do betweenthose two thresholds."
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  • So when you ask mewhat is our responsibility,
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  • our responsibility is to takethe instruction
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  • God has given usand put it into action.
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  • There should not be any doubtin our minds about what
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  • God wants us to do becausehe's given it to us in his Word,
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  • and yet, there's these differentattitudes about the Bible.
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  • There's interpretationand there's observation
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  • and then there's application.
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  • And over the last two orthree books that I've written,
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  • I have felt God pushing me hardtoward the application part,
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  • simply because our problemis not a problem
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  • between what we knowand what we don't know.
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  • Our problem is a problem betweenwhat we know and we don't do.
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  • And that's got to be changedif the church is gonna
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  • ever make any differencein the world.
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  • We know all thatwe're supposed to do.
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  • We just don't do it.
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  • And I'm praying that maybethis book will drive people
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  • forward in the trenches thatGod has laid out in his Word
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  • so we can begin to accomplishwhat he's called us to do.
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  • Sheila: So that would beyour prayer that
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  • when people have finishedlistening to this study,
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  • that they would hear from Godpersonally in their own lives
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  • and begin to livetheir life forward,
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  • looking through the windshieldand not in the rear view mirror?
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  • Dr. Jeremiah:Exactly, and for many of them,
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  • Sheila, they already know it.
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  • But to get doing it, pursue it,get their mind right, all right?
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  • Sheila: Dr. Jeremiah,thank you so much
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  • for allowing meto join you today.
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  • I have learned so much,as I'm sure we all have.
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  • As you say, it is timeto move forward.
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  • Thank you.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: You're welcome.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: WhenI'm talking about a dream,
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  • I am not describing a self-madevision of your life apart
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  • from God's will.
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  • And I'm not using the word asthe ancient prophets did when
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  • supernatural visions of inspiredrevelation came across them.
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