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Here Comes Trouble Part 2

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March 10, 2018
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  • with the Lord, don't let that define your future.
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  • That's the past, not the future.
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  • Your failure can become part of your testimony.
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  • That can become part of your platform to strengthening the
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  • lives of others.
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  • God is saying I'm gonna take your trouble,
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  • turn it into triumph.
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  • I'm gonna take your disaster and make it a delight.
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  • I'm gonna make this closed door of heaviness and turn it into a
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  • door of hope.
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  • Skip: If Achan would have just waited one more chapter,
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  • he would've gotten even more than he got out of greed.
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  • Jim Elliot, the missionary, said,
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  • "God always gives his best to those who leave the choice with
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  • him," isn't that great?
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  • "God always gives his best to those who leave
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  • the choice with him."
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  • But, he saw, he coveted, he took,
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  • those are the stages.
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  • Now, I asked you at the beginning,
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  • did I not, to turn to or to mark James chapter 1?
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  • So, turn there for a moment, I want you to look at two verses.
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  • James chapter 1 gives to us, we could call it
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  • the anatomy of temptation.
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  • It's like he's a scientist and he dissects temptation to show
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  • you the different stages, and it's like he has been reading
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  • Joshua chapter 7.
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  • James chapter 1, 14 and 15, I'm gonna begin in verse 13.
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  • "Let no one say when he is tempted,
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  • 'I am tempted by God,' for God cannot be tempted by evil,
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  • nor does he himself tempt anyone,
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  • but each one is tempted when he is drawn away by
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  • his own desires and enticed.
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  • Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin,
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  • and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth
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  • death," notice the stages.
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  • First stage, desire, desire.
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  • James says, "Each one is tempted when he is drawn
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  • away by his own desires."
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  • We all have desires.
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  • There's nothing wrong with having a desire,
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  • they're normal.
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  • You couldn't function without desire.
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  • You have a thirst drive, you have a hunger drive,
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  • we have a sex drive, God put that in the human race.
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  • There's nothing wrong with desires,
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  • what's wrong is when you seek to satisfy those desires outside
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  • the will of God, that's the problem.
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  • So, for example, eating is normal, gluttony is sin.
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  • Sleep is normal, laziness is sin.
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  • Sex is normal, adultery is sin.
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  • Wanting an education is normal, cheating on the test,
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  • that's sin, you get the point, it begins with desire.
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  • The next step is deception, after desire comes deception.
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  • You'll notice in verse 14, James tells us,
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  • "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires."
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  • See the word "drawn away?"
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  • It's a hunter's term, it means to lead an animal or lure an
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  • animal from a place of safety into a trap.
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  • I have a friend who is helping me solve a problem.
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  • I think I have some kind of critters at my house,
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  • he thinks they're squirrels, so he says,
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  • "I got the solution, I'm gonna trap these squirrels,
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  • and then I'm gonna let 'em out somewhere far away."
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  • So, he has these traps, the doors open,
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  • and he put a little container with just a little
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  • bit of peanut butter in it.
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  • I love peanut butter, I'm tempted by it.
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  • I won't let my dog out 'cause he'll get trapped.
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  • So, that little door is open, and that little cup of peanut
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  • butter is sitting there to lure an animal from a place of safety
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  • into a trap, that's the idea of drawn away.
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  • Come here, little squirrel.
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  • Also look at the word in that verse,
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  • "enticed," do you see it?
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  • "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires
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  • and enticed."
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  • Now, this word comes from the word that means to bait a hook,
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  • to take a hook and put bait on it.
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  • So, you throw a hook into the water,
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  • you don't wanna leave it like the hook,
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  • 'cause the fish is gonna go, "Forget you," but you put bait
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  • on the hook and he's gonna think,
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  • "There's breakfast," not knowing he is the breakfast.
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  • That's the point of baiting the hook.
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  • You're hiding that lure from them.
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  • You're bringing them out from a place of safety,
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  • you're baiting a hook.
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  • Achan had a desire for more.
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  • Okay, nothing wrong with having a desire, Achan.
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  • And then he sees something alluring,
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  • clothes and cash.
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  • Babylonian garment, it's the style now,
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  • it fits just perfect, why let it go to waste?
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  • It looks good on me. It's a lure.
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  • So, desire, and after that, deception,
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  • there's a next step, decision.
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  • That's verse 15, James 1, "Then," notice this,
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  • "When desire has conceived," see that word "conceived?"
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  • "It gives birth to sin."
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  • Now, that's the terminology of having a baby,
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  • but it could be translated when it has spawned,
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  • when it has spawned.
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  • Have you noticed that all of these terms in these two verses
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  • are animal terms?
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  • And I think that's for a very important reason.
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  • I think what James is saying is when you live on the level of
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  • just getting your needs met, your desires met,
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  • you are living no higher than the level of an animal,
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  • that's what animals do.
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  • They live according to their senses.
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  • They just want their needs met any way possible.
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  • Any creature can do that, that's animal living.
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  • So, when you have desire followed by deception,
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  • you're faced with a decision.
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  • Do you take it, or do you leave it?
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  • There's a great book that I've had for years in my library,
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  • it's still published, it's called,
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  • "The Fight," by John White.
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  • It's about the Christian life, but he gives one of the best
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  • illustrations of temptation I've ever heard.
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  • He said, "Temptation is sort of like a piano."
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  • If we were to have a grand piano out here like we have in the
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  • back, if you open the lid of a piano,
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  • and you press the right pedal, the sustain pedal,
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  • you can sing a note into the piano,
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  • and you know what happens?
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  • You'll hear your voice come back to you.
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  • Your voice will excite a string, or two,
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  • or three, in that key, and reflect it back to you.
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  • Now, that's not how pianos were meant to work.
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  • A piano is meant to respond to the strike of a felt hammer once
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  • you activate the keys.
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  • You push the keys down, mechanism makes that little felt
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  • hammer strike the string.
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  • But, if you didn't use that, and you just push the pedal and sang
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  • into it, it excites the strings and they sing back.
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  • Now, if you wanna stop that process,
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  • there's an easy way to fix it, close the lid,
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  • just close the lid.
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  • Says Dr. White in that book, he says that's
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  • how temptation works.
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  • Satan comes along, and he calls to you,
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  • he sings to you, and that sounds very exciting.
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  • In fact, the piano, if it could speak,
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  • says White, would be turned on by the human voice.
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  • So, you gotta close the lid.
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  • Satan calls, gives you something that's alluring,
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  • and you go, "Ooh, I hear that voice."
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  • Close the lid, walk away from the magazine rack,
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  • get off the computer, leave the shoe section of the store,
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  • whatever it might be.
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  • Close the lid, because the desire that leads to deception,
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  • that brings you to a decision, something happens,
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  • there's a fourth step, and that's death.
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  • James says, "Then, when desire has conceived,
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  • it gives birth to," what?
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  • To sin, sin is born, and sin, when it is full grown brings
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  • forth death.
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  • It might not happen for a while, you might live a long time
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  • before it ever comes, but it's so cute at first,
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  • it's a baby.
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  • Look at my baby sin, that's kinda cute.
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  • A lion is cute as a baby, but when it grows up,
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  • it'll eat you.
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  • It's gonna act according to its nature,
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  • and it can destroy you.
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  • Death is always the result of sin, always.
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  • Some kind of separation occurs, and our relationship of trust,
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  • our relationship with God, and in Achan's case,
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  • literal, physical death.
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  • It wasn't satisfaction, it wasn't pleasure,
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  • it wasn't, "I'm so satisfied," it's the wages of sin is death.
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  • So, every disobedience is detrimental.
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  • Every sin comes in stages.
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  • That frames two sides of it, let's go to the third side.
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  • Every prayer is not pure. Every prayer is not pure.
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  • Now, Joshua prays here, so go back to chapter 6,
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  • I mean, go back to verse 6 of chapter 7,
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  • excuse me, verse 6.
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  • "As soon as that defeat came, Joshua tore his clothes,
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  • fell to the earth on his face before the arc of the Lord until
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  • evening, he and the elders of Israel,
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  • and they put dust on their heads."
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  • I mean, they are brokenhearted over this.
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  • "And Joshua said," here's his prayer,
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  • "Alas, Lord God, why have you brought this people over the
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  • Jordan at all?
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  • To deliver us into the hands of the Amorites,
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  • to destroy us.
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  • O that we had been content and dwelt on
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  • the other side of the Jordan.
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  • O Lord, what shall I say when Israel turns it's back before
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  • its enemies?
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  • For the Canaanites and all the inhabitants of the land will
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  • hear it and surround us and cut off our name from the earth.
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  • Then, what will you do for your great name?"
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  • I appreciate that Joshua prayed, in fact,
  • 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:52.170
  • what marks his success as a leader is that he regularly
  • 00:10:52.180 --> 00:10:55.240
  • prays through the book, and I think his prayers
  • 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:58.210
  • were good and effective.
  • 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:01.020
  • I know it was said that Mary, Queen of Scots said she feared
  • 00:11:01.030 --> 00:11:04.270
  • the prayers of John Knox more than all the armies
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  • of her enemies.
  • 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.170
  • And so, I tend to think that Joshua's prayers were pretty
  • 00:11:11.180 --> 00:11:14.140
  • instrumental in bringing the children of Israel into this new
  • 00:11:14.150 --> 00:11:17.080
  • land, but having said that, I wanna say something else.
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  • I wish Joshua would have prayed earlier not later,
  • 00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:26.290
  • before the defeat, not after.
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  • I wish he would have prayed before this battle like he
  • 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.240
  • prayed before the Battle of Jericho.
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  • They did pray, chapter 5, they prayed before
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  • the Battle of Jericho.
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  • They didn't pray here, no record of that.
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  • They assumed, this is a small town,
  • 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.060
  • it's Podunk, it's easy, we don't need to pray about this,
  • 00:11:45.070 --> 00:11:48.110
  • I got this.
  • 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.130
  • What Joshua should have done is said,
  • 00:11:50.140 --> 00:11:52.130
  • "Come here, guys, let's get before God.
  • 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:55.010
  • God, thank you for that miraculous work at Jericho.
  • 00:11:55.020 --> 00:11:58.150
  • This looks like a small down, but we don't wanna presume
  • 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:00.220
  • anything, we still need you," that's what he should have done,
  • 00:12:00.230 --> 00:12:03.270
  • no record of that.
  • 00:12:03.280 --> 00:12:06.030
  • If he would have done that, he would have saved the lives of 36
  • 00:12:06.040 --> 00:12:09.180
  • men and the grief of 36 families.
  • 00:12:09.190 --> 00:12:14.160
  • Because God would have said to him,
  • 00:12:14.170 --> 00:12:15.260
  • "You know what?
  • 00:12:15.270 --> 00:12:17.190
  • Don't go into that city, because there's sin in the camp,
  • 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:21.060
  • you gotta deal with that.
  • 00:12:21.070 --> 00:12:22.290
  • You gotta deal with that."
  • 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.030
  • God will tell 'em that, but that's 36 dead men later.
  • 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:28.150
  • 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:38.040
  • Skip: Let's dispel a quick myth,
  • 00:12:38.050 --> 00:12:39.140
  • because people see a band like yours and they think,
  • 00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:41.060
  • "Oh, that'd be just so glamorous to do," and yet,
  • 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:43.210
  • you come in here on buses, so you guys are like road warriors.
  • 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:47.060
  • It's so hard to do what you do and travel by road,
  • 00:12:47.070 --> 00:12:49.260
  • is it not?
  • 00:12:49.270 --> 00:12:51.060
  • Luke Smallbone: Yeah, I mean, you get into a rhythm.
  • 00:12:51.070 --> 00:12:53.240
  • I mean, in a way, you asked us about our childhood a little
  • 00:12:53.250 --> 00:12:56.120
  • bit, and just the way that we were raised.
  • 00:12:56.130 --> 00:12:59.010
  • And we grew up on the road.
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:13:00.130
  • Skip: Yeah, we're like gypsies.
  • 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:01.230
  • Luke: Yeah, we were like gypsies.
  • 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.030
  • Joel Smallbone: The Australian version of the von
  • 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:04.180
  • Trapp family Singers right here, guys, that's us.
  • 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:06.030
  • Luke: We didn't know anything else,
  • 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:07.250
  • you know, and so, we--it's funny 'cause we'll have people come
  • 00:13:07.260 --> 00:13:11.240
  • out on the road with us to do--write with us,
  • 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:14.010
  • or do some work with us, or whatever,
  • 00:13:14.020 --> 00:13:15.120
  • and you give them three days, and they are toast.
  • 00:13:15.130 --> 00:13:18.020
  • Like, they just can't do anymore.
  • 00:13:18.030 --> 00:13:19.290
  • And it is hard, but we--I think we thrive off it a little bit.
  • 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:25.080
  • Like, there's something about, honestly,
  • 00:13:25.090 --> 00:13:27.150
  • when you are weak, that there is another strength that we believe
  • 00:13:27.160 --> 00:13:30.110
  • in, in Jesus, that he sustains us.
  • 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.050
  • And I think that that's a huge part of it.
  • 00:13:34.060 --> 00:13:36.270
  • Skip: You know, you've cranked out four services here,
  • 00:13:36.280 --> 00:13:39.090
  • and in a couple hours you're gonna do a full-blown concert
  • 00:13:39.100 --> 00:13:41.090
  • here, so that takes, I mean, that takes a tremendous physical
  • 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:43.250
  • toll on you guys.
  • 00:13:43.260 --> 00:13:45.180
  • Joel: Well, we don't envy you,
  • 00:13:45.190 --> 00:13:47.090
  • because--and we admire you.
  • 00:13:47.100 --> 00:13:48.260
  • Because the one beauty that the road affords us as musicians is
  • 00:13:48.270 --> 00:13:53.130
  • a certain amount of repetition, you know,
  • 00:13:53.140 --> 00:13:56.290
  • same songs, you know, similar messages each night.
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:01.120
  • And so, you can kind of find a patent in that.
  • 00:14:01.130 --> 00:14:03.220
  • Now, the danger obviously, on the flipside of that coin,
  • 00:14:03.230 --> 00:14:06.090
  • is you don't ever--and you would know this well as a pastor,
  • 00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:10.170
  • you don't ever want it to become routine.
  • 00:14:10.180 --> 00:14:12.260
  • And I have--you know, it's funny,
  • 00:14:12.270 --> 00:14:14.060
  • I've even faced that a bit this morning before service.
  • 00:14:14.070 --> 00:14:15.290
  • I felt it in me, that kind of conscience saying,
  • 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.290
  • "Hey, check yourself, because you just did this three times,
  • 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.220
  • you know what you're doing," and I could get up there,
  • 00:14:23.230 --> 00:14:27.010
  • and it's such a profound thing, you know, music.
  • 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:30.070
  • We were with one of your contemporaries,
  • 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.040
  • Rick Warren, last week, and he made a comment right before the
  • 00:14:33.050 --> 00:14:36.060
  • show which I thought was very simple and profound.
  • 00:14:36.070 --> 00:14:39.120
  • He said, "Look, music has a way of bypassing our head and going
  • 00:14:39.130 --> 00:14:42.260
  • straight to our heart."
  • 00:14:42.270 --> 00:14:44.140
  • And that, we see that as a privilege.
  • 00:14:44.150 --> 00:14:48.260
  • And so, whether it's writing, honestly and authentically,
  • 00:14:48.270 --> 00:14:52.020
  • or whether it's presenting the songs,
  • 00:14:52.030 --> 00:14:53.120
  • hopefully, yes, it's entertaining,
  • 00:14:53.130 --> 00:14:54.260
  • and inspiring, and all of that, but hopefully you leave going,
  • 00:14:54.270 --> 00:14:59.110
  • "I know Joel and Luke, I know the other guys now,
  • 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.080
  • like, they're my friends because they shared a piece of their
  • 00:15:03.090 --> 00:15:06.100
  • heart tonight."
  • 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:07.230
  • Skip: You guys are one year apart, is that right?
  • 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.090
  • Luke: Two and a half.
  • 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:11.190
  • Skip: Two and a half years apart.
  • 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.020
  • You guys still get into arguments?
  • 00:15:13.030 --> 00:15:14.120
  • Luke: Well, I think any time you--
  • 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:15.250
  • Joe: Discussions.
  • 00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:17.050
  • Luke: We have what we call strong discussions.
  • 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:18.240
  • But, I think any time, obviously,
  • 00:15:18.250 --> 00:15:20.040
  • you spend as much time together as we do,
  • 00:15:20.050 --> 00:15:23.170
  • sadly, we probably spend more time with each other than we do
  • 00:15:23.180 --> 00:15:27.200
  • with our wives at times, just because of the traveling,
  • 00:15:27.210 --> 00:15:29.260
  • and we do have our disagreements every now and again,
  • 00:15:29.270 --> 00:15:32.140
  • but it's kind of similar to our father that,
  • 00:15:32.150 --> 00:15:36.170
  • at the end of the day, if Joel disagrees with me or I disagree
  • 00:15:36.180 --> 00:15:38.140
  • with him, we're still brothers.
  • 00:15:38.150 --> 00:15:40.000
  • At the end of the day, most of the time,
  • 00:15:40.010 --> 00:15:41.100
  • it's, "Hey man, I still love you.
  • 00:15:41.110 --> 00:15:42.200
  • I'm still very thankful to be able to do this with you."
  • 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:44.220
  • And I would think that holds everything kind of in--it kind
  • 00:15:44.230 --> 00:15:48.190
  • of keeps everything at bay.
  • 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:49.290
  • And I'm thankful for that, because if I was just working
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.060
  • with people that were just friends,
  • 00:15:52.070 --> 00:15:54.050
  • all of a sudden, then it gets to be,
  • 00:15:54.060 --> 00:15:56.140
  • "Does he hate me?"
  • 00:15:56.150 --> 00:15:57.240
  • You know, how does that work?
  • 00:15:57.250 --> 00:15:59.040
  • And this way, we can be very direct,
  • 00:15:59.050 --> 00:16:00.220
  • very honest, and I feel like the product of music and being with
  • 00:16:00.230 --> 00:16:05.140
  • people, it's more honest and true because we're not trying
  • 00:16:05.150 --> 00:16:09.230
  • to--we're not walking on our tiptoes around each other.
  • 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:13.160
  • Skip: Years ago, I'm going way back now,
  • 00:16:14.260 --> 00:16:16.170
  • some of you, just a few of you may remember it,
  • 00:16:16.180 --> 00:16:18.290
  • if there's any left from this era,
  • 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:20.140
  • but we were in a building on Eubank,
  • 00:16:20.150 --> 00:16:24.120
  • our church was, 1660 Eubank.
  • 00:16:24.130 --> 00:16:27.090
  • We needed a bigger place, so we moved to a place down the
  • 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:30.190
  • street, 9610 Snow Heights.
  • 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:35.080
  • We built it out, we got all excited,
  • 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:36.250
  • we announced next week we're gonna meet there,
  • 00:16:36.260 --> 00:16:38.200
  • come Sunday morning for our service.
  • 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:43.110
  • In between that Sunday and the next Sunday,
  • 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.100
  • the fire marshal showed up at our new building and said,
  • 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:48.230
  • "You're not opening for anybody.
  • 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.120
  • You're not up to code.
  • 00:16:50.130 --> 00:16:52.010
  • This wall isn't rated for a firewall."
  • 00:16:52.020 --> 00:16:54.060
  • Now, we thought it was, and we thought we knew
  • 00:16:54.070 --> 00:16:56.180
  • what we were doing.
  • 00:16:56.190 --> 00:16:57.280
  • We had a bunch of pastors building walls,
  • 00:16:57.290 --> 00:16:59.080
  • so that shows you the mistake off the bat.
  • 00:16:59.090 --> 00:17:06.080
  • And I remember getting so angry with the Lord after that and
  • 00:17:06.090 --> 00:17:11.150
  • pleading with the Lord because of that.
  • 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.090
  • But, if I would have had that prayer meeting earlier,
  • 00:17:15.100 --> 00:17:17.070
  • and consulted builders along the way,
  • 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.270
  • I'd have saved myself a lot of grief.
  • 00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:22.250
  • Like Joshua, had he done it earlier.
  • 00:17:22.260 --> 00:17:25.250
  • If you pray in times of victory, you won't have to plead in times
  • 00:17:25.260 --> 00:17:29.040
  • of defeat, but Joshua does.
  • 00:17:29.050 --> 00:17:33.050
  • Now, as you read this prayer, did you catch
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:36.000
  • the tone of this prayer?
  • 00:17:36.010 --> 00:17:38.210
  • Joshua's blaming God, did you catch that?
  • 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:43.030
  • "Why have you brought us here? Lord, this is your fault.
  • 00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:47.010
  • We could have just stayed on the other side of the Jordan,
  • 00:17:47.020 --> 00:17:50.040
  • but you brought us here."
  • 00:17:50.050 --> 00:17:51.140
  • In fact, you know what this reminds me of,
  • 00:17:51.150 --> 00:17:53.050
  • interestingly, years before, when Moses sent 12 spies out
  • 00:17:53.060 --> 00:18:01.150
  • into the land, scouts to look it over,
  • 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.260
  • ten came back with a bad report, two,
  • 00:18:04.270 --> 00:18:07.030
  • including Joshua, Joshua and Caleb came back with a good
  • 00:18:07.040 --> 00:18:10.000
  • report, men of faith.
  • 00:18:10.010 --> 00:18:12.180
  • The children of Israel cried out and said,
  • 00:18:12.190 --> 00:18:14.200
  • "God, why did you bring us here?
  • 00:18:14.210 --> 00:18:16.090
  • We should have died in Egypt."
  • 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:19.120
  • If I were Moses, I would have said,
  • 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:20.220
  • "Yep," been a lot easier.
  • 00:18:20.230 --> 00:18:25.010
  • Joshua seems to adopt that kind of prayer,
  • 00:18:25.020 --> 00:18:27.280
  • that fatalistic, it's your fault,
  • 00:18:27.290 --> 00:18:30.110
  • God, why did you bring us here into this land?
  • 00:18:30.120 --> 00:18:32.190
  • So, that's the prayer meeting.
  • 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.090
  • It's not over yet, look at verse 10,
  • 00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:36.230
  • God is gonna answer his prayer, but not like you might think.
  • 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.030
  • So, the Lord said to Joshua, "Get up."
  • 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:44.180
  • How's that for an answer to prayer?
  • 00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:48.010
  • You don't wanna hear that when you pray.
  • 00:18:48.020 --> 00:18:49.220
  • "Get up.
  • 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:51.030
  • Why do you lie thus on your face?
  • 00:18:51.040 --> 00:18:53.090
  • Israel has sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant
  • 00:18:53.100 --> 00:18:56.260
  • which I commanded them.
  • 00:18:56.270 --> 00:18:58.060
  • For they have even taken some of the accursed things,
  • 00:18:58.070 --> 00:19:01.280
  • have both stolen and deceived, and they have also put it among
  • 00:19:01.290 --> 00:19:05.230
  • their own stuff.
  • 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.190
  • Therefore, the children of Israel could not stand before
  • 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.220
  • their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies,
  • 00:19:10.230 --> 00:19:13.170
  • because they had become doomed to destruction.
  • 00:19:13.180 --> 00:19:17.260
  • 'Neither will I be with you anymore unless you destroy the
  • 00:19:17.270 --> 00:19:22.280
  • accursed from among you."
  • 00:19:22.290 --> 00:19:28.130
  • Why would God say that?
  • 00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:31.050
  • Here's why, because there's a time to pray and there's a
  • 00:19:31.060 --> 00:19:33.140
  • time to move.
  • 00:19:33.150 --> 00:19:35.160
  • There's a time to get on your face,
  • 00:19:35.170 --> 00:19:36.290
  • there's a time to stand on your feet,
  • 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.240
  • and now's the time to stand on your feet.
  • 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:41.100
  • I appreciate your prayer, Joshua,
  • 00:19:41.110 --> 00:19:44.200
  • but now's the time to stop your whining and deal with the
  • 00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:48.080
  • problem at hand.
  • 00:19:48.090 --> 00:19:53.020
  • You remember when Moses was leading Israel out of Egypt,
  • 00:19:53.030 --> 00:19:58.120
  • they came to the Red Sea?
  • 00:19:58.130 --> 00:20:00.020
  • The armies of Egypt were behind them,
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:02.140
  • I mean, right on their tail.
  • 00:20:02.150 --> 00:20:03.280
  • They come to the edge of the Red Sea,
  • 00:20:03.290 --> 00:20:05.220
  • Moses thinks, "This is a good time to have a prayer meeting."
  • 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:09.290
  • So, he starts praying, and the Bible says this,
  • 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.070
  • "The Lord said to Moses, 'Why are you crying to me?
  • 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:18.290
  • Tell the people to get moving.
  • 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.210
  • Moses, I love your prayers, but now is the time not
  • 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:25.190
  • to have a prayer meeting, move, buddy, move.
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.290
  • Get into that water, go.'"
  • 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.210
  • All of that to say prayer is good,
  • 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:34.220
  • prayer is essential, but not every prayer is pure.
  • 00:20:34.230 --> 00:20:41.000
  • Sometimes a person can pray to cover up disobedience,
  • 00:20:41.010 --> 00:20:46.110
  • or laziness, he needs to get up.
  • 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:50.190
  • Action without prayer is atheism,
  • 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:54.070
  • but prayer without action is presumption.
  • 00:20:54.080 --> 00:20:59.000
  • You think you can just presume to shoot up a prayer and not
  • 00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:01.190
  • obey God, no, no, no, no, get going, get moving.
  • 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.120
  • You gotta do something, Joshua. Not every prayer is pure.
  • 00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:09.020
  • Because, the purpose of prayer is not to inform God of my
  • 00:21:09.030 --> 00:21:14.070
  • needs, do you know that?
  • 00:21:14.080 --> 00:21:16.200
  • Do you think when you pray and you tell God something,
  • 00:21:16.210 --> 00:21:18.270
  • God's up there going, "Wow, thank you for the information,
  • 00:21:18.280 --> 00:21:24.250
  • I did not know that until you brought it to my attention,
  • 00:21:24.260 --> 00:21:28.230
  • but now I'm duly informed."
  • 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.210
  • The purpose of prayer is not to inform God,
  • 00:21:31.220 --> 00:21:34.050
  • it's to invite God to rule your life.
  • 00:21:34.060 --> 00:21:38.070
  • You are letting him have control.
  • 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:40.030
  • So, pray early in the process and report for duty.
  • 00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:46.230
  • What do you want me to do, Lord? Every prayer isn't pure.
  • 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.210
  • So, we framed three sides of Achan's picture.
  • 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:54.150
  • Every disobedience is detrimental,
  • 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.280
  • every sin comes in stages, every prayer isn't pure,
  • 00:21:56.290 --> 00:22:01.010
  • let's complete the picture.
  • 00:22:01.020 --> 00:22:02.120
  • The fourth side, fourth statement,
  • 00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:03.290
  • fourth axiomatic truth, every failure isn't forever.
  • 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:11.020
  • So, this is the but to the but.
  • 00:22:11.030 --> 00:22:14.280
  • Chapter 1 verse 1, "But the children of Israel," that's even
  • 00:22:14.290 --> 00:22:18.010
  • going, "Ooh."
  • 00:22:18.020 --> 00:22:19.110
  • After six chapters of good stuff,
  • 00:22:19.120 --> 00:22:20.210
  • that's not a good word.
  • 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:22.020
  • But now, I wanna give another turn in the road.
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  • But every failure isn't forever. So, look at verse 26.
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  • After they took care of business,
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  • it says, "They raised over Achan,
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  • over him, a great heap of stones,
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  • still there to this day," the time of its writing,
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  • "So the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger,
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  • therefore the name of that place has been called the Valley of
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  • Achor to this day."
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  • Why is it called the Valley of Achor,
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  • what does Achor sound like?
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  • It sounds like Achan, doesn't it?
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  • Achan, Achor, it's the same word in Hebrew.
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  • One is for a person, one is for a place, same word.
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  • They called the valley after the guy who sinned in the valley.
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  • It was a pun, it was a play on words.
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  • They named it that, the valley of trouble.
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  • So, the story of Achan was a defeat,
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  • it was a sorrow, it was a judgement.
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  • It was a blot on their national record.
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  • Achan is executed, he's buried in the valley of trouble,
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  • because he was a troublemaker, but that's
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  • not the end of the story.
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  • Twice in the Old Testament, there is a direct reference to
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  • what happened here and the Valley of Achor.
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  • I don't have time to look at both of them,
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  • one is found in Isaiah 65, where God says the Valley of Achor
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  • will be filled with pasture lands one day,
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  • speaking of a future prosperity.
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  • But, the second one is found in the prophet Hosea,
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  • Hosea, chapter 2, I'm gonna read it to you,
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  • and we'll show you the Scripture on the screen.
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  • Hosea chapter 2, the setting is very similar.
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  • It's a time of judgement during Hosea's time.
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  • It's a time of trouble during Hosea's time,
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  • but he gives a glimmer of hope, and he makes direct reference to
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  • the incident of Achan.
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  • This is Hosea chapter 2, verse 14,
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  • "Therefore, behold," God says, "I will allure her and bring her
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  • into the wilderness and speak comfort to her.
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  • I will give her her vineyards from there,
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  • and the Valley of Achor as a door of hope.
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  • She shall sing there, as in the days of her youth,
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  • as in the days when she came up from Egypt."
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  • Here's the point, the place that was associated with defeat and
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  • downfall, that will be a place of victory.
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  • Now, the immediate fulfillment of that won't take place 'till
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  • the Messianic kingdom, the millennial kingdom,
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  • but there's a principle in that promise.
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  • God was saying I can take your trouble and
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  • turn it into triumph.
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  • I can take your defeat and make it delight.
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  • I can make a door of heaviness close and open a door of hope
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  • from that place of defeat.
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  • So, here's the whole story of Achan.
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  • Sin can't be taken lightly, it leads to judgement,
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  • but God uses judgement to turn people to him.
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  • And when they turn to him, he offers them hope,
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  • so that even their worst failure can be part of their testimony
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  • in the future.
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  • Your failures in the past do not have to mark your future.
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  • You don't have to be defined by, well,
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  • I'm this, I'm that, I committed this.
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  • That may be, but that can become part of your comfort,
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  • and your ministry, and your help for others who
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  • are struggling with that.
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  • You can offer, you can open a door of hope in
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  • a place of failure.
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  • Every failure isn't forever.
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  • To put it in the words of the prophet,
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  • "To give them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning,
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  • the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness."
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  • So, instead of saying, "Here comes trouble," when you come
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  • around, it could be here comes triumph in the midst of trouble.
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  • and you are one of those people.
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  • together for the whole world.
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