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Praise the Lord

February 19, 2016

1:27:01

Dwight Thompson hosts Dr. Robert Jeffress, Pastor Todd Pierce, Pastor Lawrence Bishop II, Frank Newsom and music by Mike Purkey

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Praise the Lord

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- male announcer: From coast
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to coast, and around the world,
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it's time to praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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- announcer: Welcome to
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the number one Christian network
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in all the world.
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Joining us from
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the International Production
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Center in Dallas, Texas,
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are Pastor of First Baptist
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Church, Dallas,
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Dr. Robert Jeffress;
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President of Riding High
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Ministries, Todd Pierce;
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Co-Pastor of Solid Rock
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Church in Monroe, Ohio,
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Lawrence Bishop II;
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PBR bullfighter, Frank Newsom;
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ministering in music,
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Mike Purkey.
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Ready to take your calls,
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prayer partners
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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with one mighty voice!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise...
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- announcer: Now your host,
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international evangelist,
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Dwight Thompson!
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[audience applauding]
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- Dwight Thompson: Praise
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the Lord!
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Praise the Lord!
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We wanna welcome you tonight
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from all over the world,
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into the studios of
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Trinity Broadcasting Network
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right here in the Metroplex,
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right between Dallas
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and Fort Worth.
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We're delighted that you're
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with us and this is going to
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be a dynamic night.
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It's really going to be
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a interesting night.
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We've got Cowboy Night so
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I was telling the folks I've
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but then we've got
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the Pastor of the First Baptist
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Church in Dallas,
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Dr. Robert Jeffress,
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so I thought I'd
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put on my tie but I brought
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a cowboy hat just in case he
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wants to wear it with Cowboy
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Night.
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We're glad that you're with
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us, by the way, in the
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studio audience.
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And our studio audience is
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full.
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We're so thankful for that.
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Most of all, we're thankful
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that the message we preach
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tonight changes lives.
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It's not in religion, it's
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not in an organization.
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There's only one name given
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under heaven whereby men
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might be saved.
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That's the name of
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Jesus Christ,
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the Son of the living God.
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The foundation of
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Trinity Broadcasting Network
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has been and will always be
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we preach Jesus Christ.
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It is he alone that can take
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you from earth to heaven
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through the blood of
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Jesus Christ,
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the Son of the living God.
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So we welcome you tonight
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from all over the world.
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Stay tuned.
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It's going to be an exciting
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night.
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And we ask the Holy Spirit
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to lead us and guide us as
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never before.
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In the second hour of this
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program, we're going to have
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some cowboys on this program
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and just to get ready, I'm
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talking about bull riders.
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You've either gotta be crazy
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or the bravest men in the
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world to get on these bulls.
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It's gonna be a great night
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tonight.
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Well, that young man right
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over there, he is not only
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Pastor of one of the
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great--well, actually one of
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America's fastest-growing
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churches in Lenexa Christian
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Center in Lenexa, Kansas.
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And I'm talking about
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Mike Purkey.
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Give him a great big hand.
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[audience applauding]
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He also is the host in
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called "Where Miracles
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Happen" on TBN's Church
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Channel every Tuesday at 8 a.m.
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Pacific time and Saturdays
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at 3 p.m.
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And I'll tell you what.
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the gospel, an outstanding
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pastor, but he is one of
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the most exciting song singers
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you'll ever hear in your
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lifetime.
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You can't sit down so you
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might as well remain
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standing.
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The song he's gonna sing for
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us is "I Can Do Anything
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Through Christ."
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[music]
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- Mike Purkey: Hallelujah!
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The devil's like a lion,
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seeking whom he may devour.
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Through the blood of Jesus
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I got overcomin' pow'r.
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Though he tries to stop me
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in the work of the Lord,
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I keep pressing on and
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consider my source.
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My source is Jesus.
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He is the great I Am.
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Keeps me when I'm walking
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through a dry and
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desert land.
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The rock that I stand on,
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my everything and more.
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When Satan comes against me,
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I consider my source.
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Yeah!
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The devil would like to
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stop you but you get
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on your knees and pray.
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if you'll just stand
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and pray.
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Cancel his assignment
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in the name of the Lord.
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Just get behind me, Satan.
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I'll consider my source.
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My source is Jesus.
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He is the great I Am.
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He keeps me when
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I'm walking through
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a dry and desert land.
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my everything and more.
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When Satan comes against me
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I consider my source.
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Whoa, yeah!
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[music]
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Whoa.
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Yup!
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Well, the devil's
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like a lion,
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seeking whom he may devour.
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Through the blood of Jesus
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I got overcomin' pow'r.
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And though he tries to stop
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me in the work of the Lord,
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I just keep pressing on
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and consider my source.
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My source is Jesus.
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He is the great I Am.
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Keeps me when
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I'm walking through
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a dry and desert land.
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Rock that I stand on,
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my everything and more.
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When Satan comes against me,
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I consider my source.
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He's my source.
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He's my source.
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He's my source.
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He's my source.
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Well, my source is Jesus.
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He is the great I Am.
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Keeps me when
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I'm walking through
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a dry and desert land.
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The rock that I stand on,
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my everything and more.
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When Satan comes against me,
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I consider my source.
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He's the rock I stand on,
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my everything and more.
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When Satan comes against me,
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I consider my source.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[audience applauding]
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- Dwight: You know what
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I am kind of--I'm really
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convinced of this, that if
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what you have doesn't make
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you smile,
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don't be surprised
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if nobody wants it.
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You believe that
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with all your heart?
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If you and I are born again
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children of God, we ought to
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be the happiest people on
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the face of the earth.
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And that's what Jesus can
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do.
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Do you realize that
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Trinity Broadcasting Network is
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kept on the air around the world
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through people that love
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the gospel and love to support
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this great network and it is
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carried on by the love gifts
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of every one of you watching
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around the world.
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Think about this.
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Sitting in this room
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tonight, all of you, and we
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that are on this program,
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are speaking to potentially
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billions, with a "b," around
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the world and it is because
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of people just like you
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that say, "We wanna reach
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the world with the gospel of
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the Lord Jesus Christ."
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For us that have the
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privilege of ministering on
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this great program, it's an
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honor, it's a privilege
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beyond words that I've had
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for years to host this
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wonderful program.
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But it's because of viewers
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just like you that say,
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"We believe in
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Your love gift of any size
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this month, going to send
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you the book by
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Andrew Wommack called,
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"Don't Limit God," for
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a love gift of any size.
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And for a $500 love gift,
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the book not only that you
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but also "The Founders'
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Bible" compiled by
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David Barton.
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It is an incredible Bible
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with a great history of our
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country and our forefathers
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and their walk with God
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and so on.
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In fact, we have a little
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clip.
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I want you to look at it
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right now.
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- announcer: More.
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God wants to do more in you,
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more through you,
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and more for you,
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if only you'll let him.
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For your love gift of any
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amount to your TBN, we want
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to rush you this revealing
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Andrew Wommack,
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"Don't Limit God."
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In it, Andrew exposes how
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our thinking can limit God's
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blessings and power.
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He explains why we need to
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change the image we see of
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ourselves in order to
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experience the abundant life
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God provides.
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As you read its pages,
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you'll understand that when
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you let the Word of God
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paint a true picture on
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the inside of you, breakthroughs
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will follow.
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Discover how to take the
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limits off God and watch
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what he will do in you
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and through you.
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And for your special gift of
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$500 or more right now, we
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Bible" compiled by Christian
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historian, David Barton.
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Featuring the trusted and
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updated New American
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Standard Bible translation,
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it gives you a spectacular
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view of those who believed
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resistance to tyranny was
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a Christian duty,
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as they defended precious
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God-given rights.
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"The Founders' Bible"
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uniquely illuminates the
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very passages of Scripture
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that inspired our founders
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and formed the basis of
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America's constitution
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and government.
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- Dwight: All right.
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Our first guest tonight is
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a man that every one of us
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love and respect.
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He's a man that has a clear
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voice, a clear message,
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unwavering, no backing down,
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no compromise, just
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the Word of the living God.
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We don't need a bunch of
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puppets standing behind
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pulpits.
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We need men and women that
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will declare the unwavering,
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all-powerful truth of
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the Word of the living God.
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How many believe that?
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And such a man is
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Dr. Robert Jeffress.
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He is the Pastor of the
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First Baptist Church in
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Dallas.
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He is also the host of
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the daily radio program,
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"Pathway to Victory,"
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heard nationwide
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on over 764 stations.
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His program, television
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program, "Pathway to
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at 11 a.m. Pacific time,
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right here on
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Trinity Broadcasting Network.
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He has written some
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incredible books, but none
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more important than the book
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simply, "Not All Roads
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Lead to Heaven."
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Give it up, everybody, for
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Dr. Robert Jeffress.
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Praise the Lord.
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- Robert Jeffress: Thank
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you, Dwight.
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Good to be with you.
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Thank you, all.
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- Dwight: Now, I wanna open
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up with this right here
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because--how vital this is.
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June Hunt wanted to comment
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about your book, founder of
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the CSO Hope for the Heart.
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"Every rational, logical
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thinker needs the content
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of this book because,
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in the end, eternity is too long
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to be wrong."
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And then Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer,
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Senior Pastor of
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Moody Church in Chicago,
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"What a shock it will be
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someday for many people who
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will arrive in eternity only
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to discover all roads don't
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lead to heaven."
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One more.
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Your good friend and a man
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we all love and respect,
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O.S. Hawkins, said, "The Lord's
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question in Matthew 16 and
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15 has become the question
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of our time.
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'Who do you say that I am?'
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Is he, in fact, the way, the
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truth, and the life or do we
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really believe that no one
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comes to the Father unless
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they come through him?"
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This is in Dr. Jeffress' own
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words, he truly believes is
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the most important book he
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has ever written and what a
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time to reach--read it--to
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write it, in a culture like
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this, when it seems like
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everybody says, "Oh, live
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any way you want to, believe
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what you want to as long as
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everybody's trying and doing
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our best."
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Not so fast.
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Better listen to the Word of
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God.
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Now, here's another thing
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you taught me.
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I heard your program.
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Here's what it is.
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I heard your program Sunday.
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Here's what you said.
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From Dallas, if I wanna go
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to Houston, the wrong way is
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to get on Interstate 75
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North.
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No matter if you don't wanna
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go the right way, I'm going
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this way.
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You can continue on 75 North
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but it will never get you to
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Houston.
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And there's only one way to
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heaven.
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And now then, we're gonna
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turn it over to
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Dr. Robert Jeffress.
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Delighted to have you, sir.
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- Robert: Thank you.
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Good to be with you.
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- Dwight: Preach to us and
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tell the world the truth
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about getting from earth to
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heaven.
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- Robert: And let's--we'll
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talk a little bit about this
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the most important book
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I've ever written because it
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deals with the most
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important topic of all.
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And that is how can a person
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And we live in a world that
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says there are many ways to
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heaven, that all religions
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are just different routes up
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the same mountain of truth
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that lead to God.
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But that's not what Jesus
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said.
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Jesus said, "I am the way,
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the truth, and the life.
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No man comes to the Father
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but by me."
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And yet, in spite of what
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Jesus has said, Dwight, I
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just cannot believe the
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statistic but it's true, 58%
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of evangelical Christians,
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not of people in America,
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58% of the most conservative
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Christians there are, say
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there's more than one way to
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God, other than faith in
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Jesus Christ.
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No wonder we're not winning
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people to Christ because we
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say there are many ways.
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If we give this up, we have
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given up the gospel of
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Jesus Christ.
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- Dwight: Everything
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implodes on itself.
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- Robert: Yeah, think about
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this.
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I mean, if Jesus was wrong
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about that--let's say Jesus
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was wrong and there are many
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ways to God, then he was
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wrong because either he knew
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he was wrong and he was
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lying to us or he really
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didn't know what he was
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talking about.
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Either way, he is
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disqualified from being
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the Son of God.
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And if Jesus Christ is not
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the Son of God, then when he
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died he didn't die for your
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sins and my sins, he died
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for his own sins.
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And if he died for his own
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sins, then you and I are
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left in our sins and damned
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to hell for ever.
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That is the implication of
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believing there's more than
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one way to God.
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And you know, a lot of
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people, Dwight, say, "Well,
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I just can't accept this
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because it is intolerant
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and hateful to tell a Muslim,
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to tell a Hindu, to tell
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a Buddhist, to tell anyone
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that Jesus Christ is the
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only way to heaven and their
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religion is wrong."
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How many of you have ever
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heard that before?
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It's hateful to insist that
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there's more and there's
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only one way to God?
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I'll tell you the experience
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that led me to write this
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book.
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It was really a seminal
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experience.
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A few years ago I was on an
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airplane and we were getting
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ready to take off and the
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guy was seated next to me
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and he asked me the
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question.
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He said, "What do you do for
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a living?"
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Now, if I'm busy or don't
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feel like talking, I answer,
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"Southern Baptist preacher,"
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and, trust me, that cuts off
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all the conversation.
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Nobody wants to talk to a
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Southern Baptist preacher
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for 3 hours.
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But something told me and I
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believe it was God that I
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needed to talk to this guy.
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And so I said, "Well, I'm a
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writer."
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And that's technically true,
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I am a writer.
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And so he said, "Oh,
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really?"
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He said, "What kind of books
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do you write?"
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And I said, "Well, I write
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Christian books."
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And he said, "Oh.
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I used to be a Christian but
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I gave it up."
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- Dwight: Used to be?
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Uh-huh.
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- Robert: And I said,
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"Well, what caused you to
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give up Christianity?"
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And this is what he said.
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He said, "I could never
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believe in a God who was so
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intolerant and hateful to
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insist that there is only
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one way to heaven and so I
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just gave it up."
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So, we were flying on the
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way to Seattle and I was
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asking God to give me wisdom
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what to say.
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And so I said to him,
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"Suppose that this airplane
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were to crash suddenly."
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The flight attendant started
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giving me a dirty stare so I
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lowered my preacher voice to
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regular conversation.
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I said, "Suppose this
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airplane were to crash and
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the cabin were to fill with
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smoke and people were
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groping in the darkness,
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trying to find their way out
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of the burning aircraft, and
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the flight attendant stood
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at the front of the airplane
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waving a flashlight saying,
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'Follow me.
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There's one way out of this
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airplane.'
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Would you say she was being
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hateful because she said
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there's only one way out of
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this airplane?
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Would you call her
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intolerant because she
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insisted that the only way
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to safety was to follow her?
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No, the only reason she
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would say, 'Follow me,' is
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because, in fact, there was
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only one way out of the
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burning airplane and the
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only way she would do that
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and reason is because she
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loved you and didn't wanna
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see you perish."
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I said, "It's the same way
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when we tell people there's
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only one way to God."
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And that's what I want
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broadcast to know tonight.
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When Jesus says, "There
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is only one way to heaven,"
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and when we, as his followers,
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repeat what he said,
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we do that not because
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we hate people and we wanna
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keep them out of heaven.
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It's because we want to
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invite them into heaven.
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And this is the only way
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Jesus said to do it.
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And so that's what this
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book, "Not All Roads Leads
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It's designed to equip
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Christians to understand why
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this belief is so important.
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It's to equip Christians to
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be able to share with other
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Christians in a
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compassionate but bold way
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why Jesus is the only way
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and it's a great book that
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you can give to your friends
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who may not be Christians
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who really may be stumbling
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over Jesus Christ.
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It's a great way to share
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your faith.
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- Dwight: Oh, this is
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powerful.
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Now, what about the people
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in your book, you deal with
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this, that have never heard
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the gospel?
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- Robert: Yeah.
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You know, that's one of the
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most frequent objections,
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Dwight, to this idea that
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there is only one way to
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heaven.
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The biggest questions
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non-Christians have is,
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"Well, what about those
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who have never heard
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about Jesus?
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Are you saying they're gonna
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be condemned to hell because
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they've never heard about
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Jesus?"
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Have you all ever wondered
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about that before?
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What happens to billions
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of people around the world
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who have never heard
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about Jesus?
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Now, I want you to listen to
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this very, very, very
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carefully.
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Nobody will go to hell for
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rejecting a gospel they've
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never heard.
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Nobody goes to hell for
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rejecting a gospel they've
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never heard.
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People will go to hell for
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rejecting the revelation
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that God has given them.
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And you know, when you turn
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in the Bible to Romans
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chapter 1, Paul said, "For
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the whole creation testifies
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of the existence of God.
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For since the very
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beginning, people have been
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able to know by looking at
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creation of God's power and
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his attributes.
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And so," Paul says,
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"everyone is without
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excuse."
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Anybody can look into the
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heavens and know, "I didn't
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create that.
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There must be a creator."
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Take this 12-year-old girl
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living in Syria who has
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never heard about Jesus,
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who's never heard the gospel.
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She can look into a heaven
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and know there is a God.
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And while that information
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is not enough to save her,
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it is enough, if rejected,
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to condemn her.
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And the Bible says most of
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humanity has looked at that
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information, that revelation of
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God, and they have rejected it
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and instead they have created
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a God of their own image.
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And that's what all false
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religions are.
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They are a God of our
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imagination, rather than the God
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of the Bible.
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And so people who reject the
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information nature gives about
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they are condemned.
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But let's say that little
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12-year-old girl, as she looks
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into heaven, says,
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"You know what?
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I believe there's a God and
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I want to know him."
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Here's what we can know for
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sure, Dwight.
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God will send to that little
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girl the information she needs
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God will send anyone living
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anywhere who really wants to
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know him the information about
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Jesus they need to know to be
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saved.
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Now, people say, "Pastor, do you
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really believe that?
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Do you believe somebody living
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over there in China who doesn't
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have a Bible, somebody living in
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Africa who's never heard of
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Jesus, do you believe God's
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gonna get the gospel to them?"
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I certainly do and here's why.
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Look at the Scriptures.
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In Acts chapter 8, you had the
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first African who was ever
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saved.
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He was from Ethiopia.
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He was riding in a chariot,
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having gone to Jerusalem to
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worship the true God, and as he
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opened the scrolls of Isaiah, he
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began to read and he didn't
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understand what he was reading.
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What did God do?
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He didn't say, "Well, you're
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reading the Old Testament.
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That's good enough.
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You're saved."
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No, he miraculously sent
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Philip, the evangelist, to come
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alongside that Ethiopian eunuch
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and preach to him Jesus so he
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was saved.
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Or think about Cornelius in Acts
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10, the Roman centurion.
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Here is a Gentile.
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He didn't know Jesus but the
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Bible said, "He worshiped
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the God of Israel."
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He prayed regularly.
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He gave his money to the poor.
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Now, most people would think
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today, if you have a guy who
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loves God, prays regularly, and
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gives to the poor, that's enough
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to be saved.
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It wasn't enough but God saw his
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heart and he miraculously sent
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the apostle Peter to preach to
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him Jesus so that he could be
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saved.
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And what I'm saying tonight is I
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believe when God sees a person
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who wants to know him, he will
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do whatever is necessary to get
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the gospel to him.
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And the way God gets the gospel
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to him may be through
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a missionary.
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It may be through the Gideons.
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It very well may be through
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Trinity Broadcasting Network to
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get the message into the hearts
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of those people so that they can
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be saved.
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Don't worry.
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Don't worry about God getting
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the gospel to people.
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God is much more interested in
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that 12-year-old Syrian girl
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being saved than you and I are.
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God will get the gospel to that
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person and he may be using
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people like you and me to do it.
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That's the answer to that
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question.
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- Dwight: Yeah, Pastor, let me
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just throw this out.
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Last Sunday, I was preaching in
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a church and I had listened to
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you on the radio on my way.
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And something hit me so strong.
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It's a illustration you used
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about moving the fence.
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And here's the thing, when I got
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through preaching and this has
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almost been a theme of my
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preaching for a long, long
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period of time that I believe is
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the most important question of
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our time.
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Just like what O.S. Hawkins
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referred to in his moment
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in your book when he
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talks about I believe it's the
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question of the hour in Matthew
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16, in verse 15, and, "Who do
00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:11.080
you say that I am?
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And so I was preaching on it
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this past Sunday.
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And so the place responded to it
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and it--we're going along the
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lines we're talking about
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tonight.
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But a man walked up to me after
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the service and this happened
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several times in a similar way
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but here is what he said to me.
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He said, "I believe what you
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preached.
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But," he said, "we that believe
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that are barraged now, that we
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needed to hear it.
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We know what you're saying is
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true and we believe it but it
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becomes exhausting when we are
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hammered by this in the
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workplace to where, finally,
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you're hammered so much you get
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tired and weary to where for
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just," I remember him saying,
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"just like a flicker of
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a moment, you know, you get
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tired and you go, 'Well, maybe,
00:27:13.020 --> 00:27:14.070
there's something to that,'
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that," he said, "we need to hear
00:27:17.120 --> 00:27:19.250
what we heard this morning that
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you preached, Dwight."
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And I'm thinking about
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multiply that by the millions
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who are hammered night and day,
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"Really?
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You really believe that that guy
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over there now, if you look for
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where that cross was, you can
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smell the fumes from the bus
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station down below from that
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mount, you really believe
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.140
2.000 years ago that that deal
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happened and that's what we put
00:27:47.090 --> 00:27:49.130
our faith in?"
00:27:49.130 --> 00:27:50.220
That you get tired and
00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:52.030
exhausted defending that.
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But, Pastor, I've often made
00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:58.160
this statement: I believe the
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greatest crowd that's ever going
00:28:01.010 --> 00:28:03.170
to attend church will be a day
00:28:03.170 --> 00:28:05.110
after the Coming of the Lord.
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And the clergy that stood behind
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:09.280
that desk and stepped in line
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.240
with all of this anything goes
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.260
and any road is okay, we're
00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:19.130
talking life and death, Pastor.
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Life and death.
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- Robert: And Dwight, if we
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stutter and stammer and waffle
00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:27.060
and waver as Christians, there
00:28:27.060 --> 00:28:29.120
is no hope for the world.
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Jesus said, "You," talking to
00:28:30.220 --> 00:28:33.120
us, "you are the light of the
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world."
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We cannot give up this most
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important belief.
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And you know, 1 Peter 3:15 says
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we need to be ready to give an
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answer to everyone who asks us
00:28:43.190 --> 00:28:45.220
for the hope that is within us.
00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:47.220
And that's why I wrote this
00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.180
book, "Not All Roads Lead to
00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:50.190
Heaven," to arm Christians with
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the ammunition they need to be
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.150
able to answer those questions,
00:28:55.150 --> 00:28:56.270
people at school.
00:28:59.040 --> 00:29:00.170
You know, most parents or
00:29:00.170 --> 00:29:01.290
grandparents wouldn't have
00:29:01.290 --> 00:29:03.060
a clue as to how to answer
00:29:03.060 --> 00:29:04.280
the question of their children
00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:07.000
or their grandchildren,
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.120
"Well, what about Muslims?
00:29:08.120 --> 00:29:09.270
What about people who love God
00:29:09.270 --> 00:29:11.130
but call him by another name?
00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:13.060
Or what happens to children who
00:29:13.060 --> 00:29:14.270
are too young to accept Christ?"
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Most people don't know
00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:18.100
the answers to that question.
00:29:18.100 --> 00:29:20.000
Well, I've given the answers
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.080
in this book so that we can be
00:29:21.080 --> 00:29:23.080
emboldened with the Spirit of
00:29:23.080 --> 00:29:25.020
God and with the truth of God's
00:29:25.020 --> 00:29:26.190
Word to be ready to give that
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And you know, one thing I want
00:29:30.230 --> 00:29:32.160
you to think about, everybody to
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.230
think about.
00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:35.060
If there is another way to God,
00:29:35.060 --> 00:29:37.210
other than faith
00:29:37.210 --> 00:29:38.180
in Jesus Christ,
00:29:38.180 --> 00:29:40.030
then the death of Jesus Christ
00:29:40.030 --> 00:29:41.240
was a horrible mistake.
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.090
It was totally unnecessary.
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Do you remember the night before
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:47.250
he was crucified, he was in the
00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:49.050
Garden and many of us have been
00:29:49.050 --> 00:29:50.140
to that Garden before, when he
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knelt down before God and he
00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:53.200
cried out, "Lord, if there is
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.270
any way, let this cup
00:29:55.270 --> 00:29:58.150
pass from me."
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It's not just the physical
00:30:01.100 --> 00:30:03.070
agony of the cross he didn't
00:30:03.070 --> 00:30:05.090
want to experience.
00:30:05.090 --> 00:30:06.120
It was the spiritual agony of
00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:08.060
bearing the sins of the world.
00:30:08.060 --> 00:30:09.220
"Lord, please provide another
00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:11.010
way."
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But heaven was silent because
00:30:13.100 --> 00:30:15.070
there was no other way.
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.160
That's why Jesus said, "I am
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.240
the way, the only way."
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.220
You know, Jesus is the only
00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:27.100
person who has been to the other
00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:29.050
side, beyond the grave, who
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knows what's there and has come
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back to tell us not only what
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awaits us but how to get to what
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awaits us.
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And that's why he said, "I am
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the way, the truth, and the
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life."
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And that's why I believe,
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Dwight, this is the single most
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important belief that Christians
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need to reclaim.
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We're losing this belief and, if
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we lose it, there's no reason to
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have church anymore.
00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:52.260
There's no reason to have
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missions or gospel.
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TBN ought to shut down tomorrow
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if there are many ways to God.
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But the reason we keep doing
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what we're doing and the reason
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Paul was willing to be beaten
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and imprisoned and beheaded was
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he believed, as did all the
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early church, that there was
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only one way to be saved.
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- Dwight: One way to be saved.
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How many believe that with all
00:31:13.100 --> 00:31:14.060
your heart, you believe it?
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Think about the absolute
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responsibility that we that
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preach the gospel of the Lord
00:31:23.250 --> 00:31:26.080
Jesus Christ have to the Word of
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the living God.
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Just because the culture has
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changed and anything goes, think
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about what would be required of
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us.
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If I warn people of the danger
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that is to come, then he says in
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the Scripture, "Their blood will
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not be upon our hands."
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But if we know what the danger
00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:56.030
is and do not warn the people of
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what is to come, their blood
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will be required of us.
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Well, I'm here to tell you there
00:32:03.010 --> 00:32:05.110
is nothing ambiguous about this,
00:32:05.110 --> 00:32:07.250
there is nothing vague about
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this message.
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Once you know what you believe,
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it slams the door on doubt.
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There's nothing I have to think
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.000
about.
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.020
I don't have to run out here and
00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:22.030
see what is popular.
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I stand on "Thus saith the Word
00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.210
of the Lord."
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Acts chapter 4, verse 12, when
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Peter preached it, "There is no
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other name given under heaven
00:32:35.050 --> 00:32:38.050
among men whereby we might be
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saved but the name of
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Jesus Christ
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the Son of the living God."
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I have people say to me,
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.030
Dr. Jeffress, "Well, it takes a
00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:56.150
lot of courage for you, doesn't
00:32:56.150 --> 00:32:57.270
it, just to keep pounding and
00:32:57.270 --> 00:33:00.030
preaching this message?"
00:33:00.030 --> 00:33:01.180
And I find that humorous.
00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:03.270
What's courageous about it?
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It's the truth.
00:33:06.090 --> 00:33:08.180
It's the truth when I was borned
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into this world my dad preached
00:33:11.020 --> 00:33:12.150
it.
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It's been the truth since Jesus
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died on that cross.
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Well, what has changed in 2016?
00:33:18.070 --> 00:33:21.070
He's the same yesterday, today,
00:33:21.070 --> 00:33:24.050
and forever.
00:33:24.050 --> 00:33:25.160
There is only one way from earth
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.150
to heaven and that is through
00:33:28.150 --> 00:33:30.290
Jesus Christ the Son of the
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living God.
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And it's refreshing to know what
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you believe because then doubt
00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:40.220
no longer lingers in your mind.
00:33:40.220 --> 00:33:43.090
Jesus is the way.
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Pastor, the few minutes we have,
00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:46.090
over my shoulders, this camera,
00:33:46.090 --> 00:33:47.270
lead people to Jesus Christ
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right now.
00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:51.220
- Robert: I will.
00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:52.190
You know, you referenced the
00:33:52.190 --> 00:33:53.140
verse, "There's no other name
00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:55.170
under heaven by which we must be
00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:57.090
saved."
00:33:57.090 --> 00:33:58.240
There's something powerful
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One of the things and maybe
00:34:01.290 --> 00:34:02.290
sometime we can come back and
00:34:02.290 --> 00:34:04.080
talk about it, that I talk about
00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:05.250
in this book, "Not All Roads
00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.000
Lead to Heaven," is, well, what
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about sincere followers of other
00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.070
religions who simply call God by
00:34:10.070 --> 00:34:12.240
another name?
00:34:12.240 --> 00:34:13.220
For example,
00:34:13.220 --> 00:34:14.210
the followers of Islam.
00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:16.060
They call him Allah.
00:34:16.060 --> 00:34:18.110
They call God Allah.
00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:19.260
Isn't that the same?
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.050
No.
00:34:21.050 --> 00:34:22.060
Allah of the Qur'an is not
00:34:22.060 --> 00:34:24.110
the Jehovah God of the Bible.
00:34:24.110 --> 00:34:26.270
Allah of the Qur'an
00:34:26.270 --> 00:34:28.060
is an imaginary god.
00:34:28.060 --> 00:34:29.230
Jehovah is the real God.
00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:31.200
Allah has no sons.
00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:34.040
The real God has one Son
00:34:34.040 --> 00:34:36.140
and his name is Jesus Christ.
00:34:36.140 --> 00:34:39.120
And only by his name
00:34:39.120 --> 00:34:40.280
can we be saved.
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.230
And you know, I think about
00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:44.030
1 John 5:13 "These things I have
00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:47.040
written to you who believe in
00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:49.150
that you might know you have
00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:54.070
eternal life."
00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:55.170
And I'm speaking to some here
00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:56.240
who you may have tuned in to
00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:58.270
this program accidentally.
00:34:58.270 --> 00:35:00.260
It's not an accident.
00:35:00.260 --> 00:35:02.110
I believe God has called you
00:35:02.110 --> 00:35:04.290
right now to a moment to receive
00:35:04.290 --> 00:35:07.170
the free gift of eternal life.
00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:10.100
We had a group in our church
00:35:10.100 --> 00:35:12.100
Sunday from the British
00:35:12.100 --> 00:35:14.010
Broadcasting Corporation.
00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:15.180
They were doing a documentary on
00:35:15.180 --> 00:35:16.230
Muslims in America and they
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:18.210
said, "Dr. Jeffress,
00:35:18.210 --> 00:35:20.010
if you could look into
00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:21.010
this camera and talk to the
00:35:21.010 --> 00:35:22.160
followers of ISIS who have
00:35:22.160 --> 00:35:25.020
beheaded people and committed
00:35:25.020 --> 00:35:26.180
these atrocities, what would be
00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:28.030
your message to them?"
00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:30.050
And I said, "My message to
00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:31.050
the members of ISIS is this,
00:35:31.050 --> 00:35:34.010
'For God so loved the world.
00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:36.220
For God so loved you that he
00:35:36.220 --> 00:35:39.080
gave his only Son that whoever
00:35:39.080 --> 00:35:40.260
believes on him will not perish
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:43.160
but will have eternal life.'"
00:35:43.160 --> 00:35:45.130
I'm talking to some of you
00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:47.040
right now who are weighed down
00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:49.090
by guilt over sins in your past
00:35:49.090 --> 00:35:51.200
or sins in your life right now.
00:35:51.200 --> 00:35:54.080
You think, "Well, Pastor,
00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:55.250
you don't know what I've done.
00:35:55.250 --> 00:35:57.050
God couldn't forgive me."
00:35:57.050 --> 00:35:58.230
That's exactly why God sent
00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:00.140
his Son Jesus to die for you.
00:36:00.140 --> 00:36:03.000
Not for those small sins, but
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.010
for those gigantic sins that you
00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:07.020
think are beyond forgiveness.
00:36:07.020 --> 00:36:09.040
No sin is beyond the grace of
00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:10.170
God.
00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:12.140
And tonight, if you would like
00:36:12.140 --> 00:36:13.270
to know for sure that you have
00:36:13.270 --> 00:36:15.290
been forgiven by God, I wanna
00:36:15.290 --> 00:36:17.290
invite you right now to close
00:36:17.290 --> 00:36:20.000
your eyes if you're able to and
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.030
to pray this simple prayer to
00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:23.070
God.
00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:24.120
You know, Saint Augustine says,
00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:25.260
"God gives only to those whose
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.080
hands are empty."
00:36:28.080 --> 00:36:30.040
Tonight, if you're ready to
00:36:30.040 --> 00:36:31.180
empty yourself of the denial of
00:36:31.180 --> 00:36:33.060
your sin or the rationalization
00:36:33.060 --> 00:36:35.130
for your sin, if you're ready to
00:36:35.130 --> 00:36:36.210
receive God's forgiveness, pray
00:36:36.210 --> 00:36:38.220
this prayer with me.
00:36:38.220 --> 00:36:40.130
"Dear God, thank you for loving
00:36:40.130 --> 00:36:42.060
me.
00:36:42.060 --> 00:36:43.280
I know that I have sinned.
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.230
And I'm truly sorry for the sin
00:36:47.140 --> 00:36:50.140
in my life.
00:36:50.140 --> 00:36:52.140
But I believe that you sent your
00:36:52.180 --> 00:36:55.180
Son Jesus to die for me and,
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.020
right now, I'm trusting in Jesus
00:37:01.270 --> 00:37:04.270
and Jesus alone to save me from
00:37:06.200 --> 00:37:09.200
my sins.
00:37:09.200 --> 00:37:11.050
Thank you for forgiving me and
00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:14.040
help me to live the rest of
00:37:14.270 --> 00:37:17.270
my life serving you,
00:37:18.010 --> 00:37:21.010
in Jesus' name, amen."
00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:25.150
Now, if you prayed that
00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:28.230
prayer, you've done what the
00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:34.010
Bible says you need to do to
00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:35.210
have eternal life.
00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:37.090
Go find a Bible-believing,
00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:38.290
Spirit-filled church where you
00:37:38.290 --> 00:37:40.200
can grow in your faith.
00:37:40.200 --> 00:37:42.040
Call the toll-free number you
00:37:42.040 --> 00:37:43.120
see on the screen right now and
00:37:43.120 --> 00:37:45.080
let us know here at TBN that you
00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:47.280
prayed that prayer and we'll
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.050
pray with you as well.
00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:51.060
God bless you and may you follow
00:37:51.060 --> 00:37:54.010
him the rest of your days here
00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:55.170
upon the earth.
00:37:55.170 --> 00:37:56.160
Thank you.
00:37:56.160 --> 00:37:58.110
- Dwight: Tell Dr. Jeffress how
00:37:58.110 --> 00:37:59.040
much you appreciate this
00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:00.090
message.
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.000
The book, not only for your
00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:07.250
reading, but get one for a
00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:09.140
friend.
00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:10.280
"Not All Roads Lead to Heaven,"
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.120
by Dr. Robert Jeffress.
00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:15.090
Thank you for being here
00:38:15.090 --> 00:38:16.180
tonight.
00:38:16.180 --> 00:38:17.120
- Robert: Thank you for
00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:18.020
allowing me to be here.
00:38:18.020 --> 00:38:18.230
- Dwight: As always, thank you
00:38:18.230 --> 00:38:19.190
for your powerful message.
00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:21.190
- Robert: You know, you were
00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:23.140
the host and Mike Purkey was the
00:38:23.140 --> 00:38:25.120
singer, the very first show I
00:38:25.120 --> 00:38:27.120
was on 20 years ago on TBN.
00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:29.270
So it's great to be back with
00:38:29.270 --> 00:38:31.050
you.
00:38:31.050 --> 00:38:31.270
Thank you.
00:38:31.270 --> 00:38:32.220
- Dwight: It's our anniversary.
00:38:32.220 --> 00:38:33.230
- Robert: That's right.
00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:36.000
- Dwight: Well, we wanna have
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.050
you on a whole lot more times
00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:38.050
too, Doctor.
00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:39.090
God bless you.
00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:40.200
Mike Purkey's ready to sing for
00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:41.120
us right now.
00:38:41.120 --> 00:38:42.070
I love this song,
00:38:42.070 --> 00:38:43.160
"Thanks to Calvary."
00:38:43.160 --> 00:38:45.000
[music]
00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:52.010
[music]
00:38:56.070 --> 00:38:59.070
Today, I went back to
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.000
the place where I used to go
00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:14.010
Today, I saw the same
00:39:15.140 --> 00:39:18.140
old crowd I knew before.
00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:28.230
When they asked me what had
00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:33.130
happened, I tried to
00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:38.110
tell them, yeah, I did.
00:39:39.220 --> 00:39:42.220
I said, "Thanks to Calvary,
00:39:43.120 --> 00:39:46.120
I don't come here anymore."
00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:54.040
Oh, hallelujah.
00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:55.270
My, my.
00:39:55.270 --> 00:39:58.000
Thanks to Calvary,
00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:01.160
I am not
00:40:01.220 --> 00:40:04.220
the man I used to be.
00:40:04.220 --> 00:40:07.010
Thanks to Calvary,
00:40:07.010 --> 00:40:10.000
thanks to Calvary.
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.080
Thanks to Calvary, things
00:40:13.050 --> 00:40:16.050
are different than before.
00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:23.020
Hah, hallelujah.
00:40:23.020 --> 00:40:25.250
While the tears ran down my
00:40:28.270 --> 00:40:31.270
face, I tried to tell them.
00:40:37.170 --> 00:40:40.170
I said it was
00:40:40.170 --> 00:40:42.070
thanks to Calvary,
00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:45.070
I want you to think
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.170
about it right now.
00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:56.090
Thanks to Calvary, c'mon.
00:40:56.090 --> 00:40:57.250
Then I went back
00:41:25.060 --> 00:41:27.290
to the house
00:41:29.140 --> 00:41:32.140
where I used to live.
00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:37.050
Ha, ha.
00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:38.160
My little boy,
00:41:40.140 --> 00:41:43.140
he ran up and he hid up
00:41:43.230 --> 00:41:46.230
behind the door.
00:41:47.080 --> 00:41:50.080
Oh, yes, he did.
00:41:50.080 --> 00:41:53.010
But I said, "Son,
00:41:54.230 --> 00:41:57.230
you don't need to
00:41:57.230 --> 00:42:00.100
have any fear 'cause,
00:42:00.100 --> 00:42:02.130
listen, you've got
00:42:02.130 --> 00:42:04.170
a brand new daddy here now.
00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:10.010
Thanks to Calvary,
00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:12.140
we don't live here anymore."
00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:19.050
Ha, ha.
00:42:19.050 --> 00:42:19.270
Hallelujah.
00:42:19.270 --> 00:42:21.200
Whoa, thanks to Calvary,
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.000
I am not
00:42:27.270 --> 00:42:30.270
the man I used to be.
00:42:32.270 --> 00:42:35.270
Thanks to Calvary.
00:42:35.270 --> 00:42:37.170
Thanks to Calvary, Lord,
00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:41.120
things are different
00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:45.050
than before.
00:42:45.050 --> 00:42:48.050
Than before.
00:42:48.050 --> 00:42:51.040
Yeah, while my tears ran
00:42:51.290 --> 00:42:54.290
down my face, I tried to
00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:01.150
tell them, yeah,
00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:07.030
thanks to Calvary,
00:43:08.020 --> 00:43:11.020
we don't live there anymore.
00:43:15.120 --> 00:43:18.120
Oh, yeah.
00:43:18.120 --> 00:43:20.110
Thanks to Calvary, we don't
00:43:23.290 --> 00:43:26.290
[audience applauding]
00:43:48.180 --> 00:43:51.000
- Dwight: Can you not for just
00:43:51.060 --> 00:43:54.060
one minute stop, think about
00:43:56.170 --> 00:43:59.170
where you were when Jesus came,
00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:04.050
broke the power of Satan that
00:44:06.050 --> 00:44:09.050
was holding you enslaved.
00:44:09.120 --> 00:44:12.120
All because of a place called
00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:15.250
Calvary that Jesus died.
00:44:17.070 --> 00:44:20.070
And tonight you're free
00:44:20.150 --> 00:44:23.150
because you believed in the Lord
00:44:23.150 --> 00:44:26.110
Jesus Christ as your Savior.
00:44:26.110 --> 00:44:28.280
Go ahead, everybody.
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.110
Let's praise him.
00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:31.090
Clap your hands and
00:44:31.090 --> 00:44:32.050
thank him for it.
00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:38.120
Well, it's just overwhelming.
00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:41.050
We just need a little shoutin'
00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:42.190
time here before we go on
00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:44.040
any farther in this meeting.
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Thanks to Calvary.
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Everybody say hello to
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Pastor Lawrence Bishop from
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Monroe, Ohio.
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He is the Co-Pastor at Solid
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Rock Church in Monroe, Ohio.
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He's a minister, he's a gospel
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musician, and a professional
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rodeo cowboy.
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Give him a great big hand.
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Lawrence, I'm glad you're here.
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- Lawrence Bishop: Good to be
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here.
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- Dwight: Say hello to
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Todd Pierce.
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He's the President of Riding
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High Ministries, a church
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ministry based out of
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Shelley, Idaho.
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He rode bucking horses, ranking
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third in the world even as
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a rookie, and later winning
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three championships.
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2001, his rodeo career ended
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due to an injury but soon this
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tragedy turned into triumph as
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God opened the gate to full-time
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ministry, a ministry called
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"Riding High Ministries."
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Everybody, give it up for
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Todd Pierce, if you will.
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Now, the young man next to Todd
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is named Frank Newsom.
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In his 17th season as a member
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of the PBR, Professional Bull
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Riders' Dickies Bullfighter.
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Now, this isn't a clown.
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This guy--
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- Todd Pierce: Kinda.
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- Dwight: They save many
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a cowboy from injury and even
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their life.
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He's been voted by the riders to
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work the Built Ford Tough World
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Finals each of the last 11 years
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and 13 times overall.
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He and his wife Dea live in
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Oklahoma with their three
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children, Hunter, Cadence, and--
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- Frank Newsom: Rigging.
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- Dwight: Reagan.
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- Frank: Rigging.
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- Dwight: Rigging.
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- Frank: Yeah.
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- Dwight: Just like the
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rigging.
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- Frank: Just like a rigging,
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yeah.
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- Dwight: Give it up for
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Frank Newsom, will ya?
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[audience applauding]
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- Dwight: Let's just start
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with Frank here for a minute.
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I want you to explain now,
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anybody that's ever been--I
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realize a lot, maybe a lot of
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people haven't been to rodeo but
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you watch a guy riding a bull
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and there's three guys, they've
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usually got on some kind of
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little costume or clown,
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whatever it is, and the minute
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those bullfighters all around,
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when that rider comes off of
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that bull or comes off before 8
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seconds is up, many times, it's
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guys like Frank that rush in
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there to get the attention of
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that bull and get it to chase
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him and leave that rider that's
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on the ground.
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And many of them whose lives
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have been spared because of
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these bullfighters.
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Let's give it up for Frank one
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more time.
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[audience applauding]
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But now, tell us a little bit in
00:47:39.040 --> 00:47:41.060
just a moment about how you came
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to Christ but we're gonna show a
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video right now.
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And you do the voiceover on it.
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Would you do that for me?
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- Frank: Sure.
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- Dwight: Now, everybody watch
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the monitors here in the studio.
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You at home, just watch this
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now.
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- Frank: This is at Oklahoma
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City.
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Kaique Pacheco's on this bull
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called Excavation.
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Right there, I'm up at top.
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My other partners are right here
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on either side.
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It's right here at the end of
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the ride, I move in to get in
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position.
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That bull feels that bullrider
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and he felt me.
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I was trying to get in position
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and he--that bull felt me and
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kicked me.
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- Dwight: Oh, my goodness.
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- Frank: You know, I've made
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that same move on 200 or 300
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bulls and not been kicked.
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That bull was just
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really--particularly, he
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knew--very athletic,
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very--pretty mean, you know?
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And he felt me right there at
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his hip.
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He reached and kicked me bang,
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right on the button.
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Then he turned around and
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punched me in the face and
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knocked me out.
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Anyways, after that, I'm out
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and, you know, it was just a
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matter of hauling me back there
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and sewing me up.
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My wife and kids were there.
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God was there, you know what
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I mean?
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We've got God in our life.
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Things like that ain't gonna
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wreck us, you know?
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how long ago?
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Not long?
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- Frank: This is two--
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- Todd: Two weeks ago.
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- Dwight: A couple of weeks
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ago?
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- Frank: And I've already been
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back to work.
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I missed 1 week.
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I had to stay home for a week--
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- Lawrence: Sissy.
00:49:04.220 --> 00:49:06.010
- Frank: Kinda get the cobwebs
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out of my head and get kind of
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healed up a little.
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- Dwight: How many fingers have
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I got up right now?
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This is why the song was
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written, "Mama, Don't Let Your
00:49:13.170 --> 00:49:16.040
Babies Grow Up to be Cowboys."
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Frank, that is just
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incredible.
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When did you first come to
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the Lord?
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- Frank: Well, when I was 9, I
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walked to the front of the
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Baptist Church there in
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Granbury, Texas.
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My mom took me to church every
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week and, I did, I accepted the
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Lord.
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And you know, later on, as I
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lived my life, I've been through
00:49:37.050 --> 00:49:38.270
a lot of--I got way, far away
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from the Lord, you know, and I
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went down the wrong trail.
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And looking back now, I've often
00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:49.100
wondered why I've seen people
00:49:49.100 --> 00:49:51.220
that were doing the same things
00:49:51.220 --> 00:49:53.030
I was doing and they were just
00:49:53.030 --> 00:49:54.100
so messed up, or more messed up,
00:49:55.030 --> 00:49:58.030
maybe, I don't know, I'm pretty
00:49:58.030 --> 00:49:59.030
messed up maybe but I don't
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know.
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But I think the Holy Spirit was
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still with me even then.
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But I did, you know, in June 4
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.280
of '09, I rededicated and I
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accepted him.
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I prayed for all the sin that I
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accumulated.
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I got baptized in the name of
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Jesus, you know.
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And I feel the Holy Spirit with
00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:20.230
me, you know, every day, you
00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:22.070
know?
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- Dwight: Ain't that a
00:50:22.270 --> 00:50:23.160
wonderful thing, ain't it?
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Now, I don't know this but, now,
00:50:25.290 --> 00:50:28.120
Todd.
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Todd was a bronc rider.
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- Frank: That was '04 and not
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'09, I'm sorry.
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- Dwight: '04?
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- Frank: Yes.
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- Dwight: Well, you just got
00:50:35.290 --> 00:50:36.270
kicked by that bull so you can--
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- Frank: Yeah, the numbers, I
00:50:38.150 --> 00:50:39.120
mean, you know.
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- Dwight: Now, Todd, how did
00:50:42.110 --> 00:50:43.050
you guys connect?
00:50:43.050 --> 00:50:45.100
Now, Todd was a champion bronc
00:50:45.100 --> 00:50:46.150
rider for years, won
00:50:46.150 --> 00:50:48.180
championships and all of this
00:50:48.180 --> 00:50:50.030
kind of thing.
00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:51.070
And then he was injured and then
00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:52.280
you--the Lord laid on your heart
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.100
Riding High Ministries.
00:50:55.100 --> 00:50:57.230
Now you've kind of been
00:50:57.230 --> 00:50:58.280
called--your whole idea is about
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.120
breaking a bronc without
00:51:02.050 --> 00:51:05.050
the traditional way.
00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:07.230
Now, I just coined this.
00:51:07.230 --> 00:51:10.200
It's almost like you've become a
00:51:10.200 --> 00:51:11.240
horse whisperer and I said that.
00:51:11.240 --> 00:51:13.290
That's just the way.
00:51:13.290 --> 00:51:15.020
But you've just learned how to
00:51:15.020 --> 00:51:16.110
take a horse.
00:51:16.110 --> 00:51:17.090
Now, we--talk a little bit about
00:51:17.090 --> 00:51:19.000
that and then let's just set up
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.020
the video for people to see it.
00:51:20.020 --> 00:51:22.200
- Todd: Well, I guess
00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:24.070
specifically with the horse and
00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:26.140
what it is that I do with that,
00:51:26.140 --> 00:51:28.000
it's that I realize that fear is
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.010
not anything that God uses to
00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:31.150
motivate people.
00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:34.160
He said that it's his goodness
00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:36.170
that wins people to repentance.
00:51:36.170 --> 00:51:38.080
It's if we actually know how
00:51:38.080 --> 00:51:40.020
good God is then we're settled
00:51:40.020 --> 00:51:41.120
in and we quit running from him.
00:51:41.120 --> 00:51:44.000
And so when I began working with
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.260
horses in this manner, I
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.130
realized that if I could just
00:51:48.130 --> 00:51:50.040
get a horse to understand that
00:51:50.040 --> 00:51:51.110
my heart is for it and not
00:51:51.110 --> 00:51:53.140
against it, I'm not trying to
00:51:53.140 --> 00:51:54.180
control it and make it be what I
00:51:54.180 --> 00:51:56.000
want it to be, I want it to
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.170
discover what it was created for
00:51:57.170 --> 00:51:59.180
connection with me, then it's
00:52:02.080 --> 00:52:03.220
free to experience all that I've
00:52:03.220 --> 00:52:06.140
got for it and it just became a
00:52:06.140 --> 00:52:08.290
very vivid picture for what the
00:52:08.290 --> 00:52:11.140
Lord was doing in my life
00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:12.210
Christian, not going to church,
00:52:14.230 --> 00:52:16.090
and working horses.
00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:17.230
And I do remember the first day
00:52:17.230 --> 00:52:20.040
I said out loud as a horse is
00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:21.170
running from me, I said,
00:52:21.170 --> 00:52:22.220
"Why are you running from me?
00:52:22.220 --> 00:52:25.070
Just stop already.
00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:26.280
You're killing yourself.
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.120
I got something for you if you
00:52:28.120 --> 00:52:30.080
just stop and look at me and
00:52:30.080 --> 00:52:31.070
trust me, I'm gonna show you
00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:32.220
things that have never even
00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:33.250
entered your mind."
00:52:33.250 --> 00:52:35.030
And soon as I said those words
00:52:35.030 --> 00:52:36.200
out loud, it was as though I
00:52:36.200 --> 00:52:37.260
was--that was God speaking
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:39.280
the same thing over me.
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.030
- Dwight: Talking to you
00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:42.000
himself, wasn't he?
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:42.240
- Todd: Yeah.
00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:44.000
- Dwight: Boy, that's--we all
00:52:44.260 --> 00:52:47.260
got that, didn't we?
00:52:47.260 --> 00:52:50.060
That applied to every one of us.
00:52:50.060 --> 00:52:52.000
Well, then, how did the--is that
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.280
how the ministry started?
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.090
- Todd: No, the ministry only
00:52:55.090 --> 00:52:56.240
started because I don't know if
00:52:56.240 --> 00:52:59.090
anybody else does life this way
00:52:59.090 --> 00:53:00.280
but I never really had a vision
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.250
for what I wanted to do with
00:53:02.250 --> 00:53:04.050
my life but God did give me
00:53:04.050 --> 00:53:06.190
a really clear vision of who
00:53:06.190 --> 00:53:07.160
I wanted to be.
00:53:07.160 --> 00:53:08.290
And while I was still competing,
00:53:08.290 --> 00:53:11.040
the love of God that had
00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:13.290
overwhelmed me just made it to
00:53:13.290 --> 00:53:15.280
where everywhere I went and
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.020
throughout the competitions,
00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:20.040
more than the success in
00:53:20.040 --> 00:53:21.230
the arena, I really wanted to
00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:23.120
reach people with the gospel.
00:53:23.120 --> 00:53:25.000
And just with the love of God
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.280
and mentor men and build
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.050
relationships.
00:53:28.050 --> 00:53:29.210
And that's just kinda who I was.
00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:31.110
So once I got hurt, a gentleman
00:53:31.110 --> 00:53:33.160
named Cody Custer, who is a
00:53:33.160 --> 00:53:34.220
world champion bull rider as
00:53:34.220 --> 00:53:36.080
well, asked me to come speak at
00:53:36.080 --> 00:53:38.060
a professional bull riding event
00:53:38.060 --> 00:53:39.170
'cause they were having Bible
00:53:39.170 --> 00:53:40.190
studies and that was over 15
00:53:40.190 --> 00:53:43.180
years ago and, long story short,
00:53:43.290 --> 00:53:46.290
I just never even looked back.
00:53:46.290 --> 00:53:48.200
I knew that my entire career
00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:50.140
was--had prepared me to be in
00:53:51.260 --> 00:53:54.260
a spot where I could build
00:53:54.260 --> 00:53:57.110
relationships with other men
00:53:57.110 --> 00:53:58.170
that are involved in the sport
00:53:58.170 --> 00:53:59.250
that don't have a whole lot of
00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:01.130
resources to help them be
00:54:01.130 --> 00:54:03.240
healthy.
00:54:03.240 --> 00:54:05.000
And so Riding High Ministries
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.150
just kind of evolved out of
00:54:07.150 --> 00:54:08.200
that.
00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:09.140
I say it just happened but, you
00:54:09.140 --> 00:54:11.190
know, obviously, our Father has
00:54:11.190 --> 00:54:12.180
ways of us just staying true to
00:54:12.250 --> 00:54:15.250
who it is that he called us to
00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:17.060
be and the steps,
00:54:17.060 --> 00:54:19.010
they reveal themselves.
00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:20.290
I call it just staying in the
00:54:20.290 --> 00:54:22.110
moment and enjoying the truth.
00:54:23.020 --> 00:54:26.020
We have a Father that knows how
00:54:26.020 --> 00:54:27.060
to get us where we need to go if
00:54:27.060 --> 00:54:29.080
we'll just be obedient to being
00:54:29.080 --> 00:54:30.250
who it is we're created to be.
00:54:30.250 --> 00:54:32.180
- Dwight: Ain't that wonderful?
00:54:32.180 --> 00:54:33.100
- Todd: Yes, sir.
00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:34.110
- Dwight: Ain't that wonderful?
00:54:34.110 --> 00:54:35.070
Let's look at
00:54:35.070 --> 00:54:36.000
- female: Never has the PBR's
00:54:42.160 --> 00:54:43.130
visibility and fan base in
00:54:43.130 --> 00:54:45.110
American society been stronger.
00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:47.150
Fans and spectators worldwide
00:54:47.150 --> 00:54:49.140
may not be aware of the untold
00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:51.000
story behind the fiery flames
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.140
and the bucking bulls.
00:54:52.140 --> 00:54:54.120
It's an untold story of personal
00:54:54.120 --> 00:54:55.260
struggle and need among athletes
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:58.010
that so many admire and follow.
00:54:58.030 --> 00:55:01.050
An untold story
00:55:01.050 --> 00:55:01.280
of courageous witness
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:03.130
and ministry for Jesus Christ.
00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:05.050
It's happening through
00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:06.150
Riding High Ministries under
00:55:06.150 --> 00:55:07.270
- Todd: For over 12 years now,
00:55:09.290 --> 00:55:10.250
Riding High Ministries has had
00:55:10.250 --> 00:55:12.150
the privilege of being a part of
00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:14.010
the sport of professional
00:55:14.010 --> 00:55:15.110
bull riding.
00:55:15.110 --> 00:55:16.040
to just make sure that we're
00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:19.020
here for these men.
00:55:19.020 --> 00:55:20.030
Many of them come from rural
00:55:20.030 --> 00:55:20.280
areas that had a real network of
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.230
support around them.
00:55:22.230 --> 00:55:24.040
They're immediately taken out of
00:55:24.040 --> 00:55:25.140
that, projected into the biggest
00:55:25.140 --> 00:55:27.090
cities in the United States and
00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:28.110
really set up to fail in nearly
00:55:28.110 --> 00:55:30.080
every area of their life,
00:55:30.080 --> 00:55:31.120
other than bull riding.
00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:32.200
Riding High Ministries has been
00:55:32.200 --> 00:55:33.240
focused to make sure that we're
00:55:33.240 --> 00:55:34.270
helping the man and not just
00:55:34.270 --> 00:55:36.090
the athlete.
00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:37.230
- Frank: So I'm not just out
00:55:37.230 --> 00:55:38.140
there, doing what I do.
00:55:38.140 --> 00:55:39.180
I know why I'm doing it.
00:55:39.180 --> 00:55:41.020
I mean, God gave me the talent.
00:55:41.020 --> 00:55:42.080
It's a way for me to take care
00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:43.140
of my family.
00:55:43.140 --> 00:55:44.190
And not only that, you know, if
00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:45.260
I can inspire a kid or somebody
00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:47.090
can tell them about God, that's
00:55:49.220 --> 00:55:51.010
kind of the purpose behind it,
00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:52.290
you know?
00:55:52.290 --> 00:55:53.160
And so it just puts a lot more
00:55:53.160 --> 00:55:54.140
- Todd: Riding High, we host
00:55:59.110 --> 00:56:00.110
some faith nights and part of it
00:56:00.110 --> 00:56:03.070
is a horse-breaking
00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:05.160
demonstration and then different
00:56:05.160 --> 00:56:06.280
riders sharing testimonies and
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.060
sharing little stories about
00:56:08.060 --> 00:56:09.100
what God has done in their
00:56:09.100 --> 00:56:10.110
lives.
00:56:10.110 --> 00:56:11.040
- Frank: I love the worship,
00:56:11.040 --> 00:56:13.070
you know, the bands,
00:56:13.070 --> 00:56:14.050
they're always great.
00:56:14.050 --> 00:56:15.130
The message from the horse
00:56:15.130 --> 00:56:17.090
testimony, you know, with Todd,
00:56:17.090 --> 00:56:19.160
that's always different
00:56:19.160 --> 00:56:21.160
and fitting everywhere we go.
00:56:21.160 --> 00:56:22.260
Everywhere he does that, it
00:56:22.260 --> 00:56:24.050
seems like the horse is
00:56:24.050 --> 00:56:25.040
just relating to the people
00:56:25.040 --> 00:56:26.160
out there.
00:56:26.160 --> 00:56:27.140
- male: The church services,
00:56:27.140 --> 00:56:28.080
I think, are pretty important
00:56:28.080 --> 00:56:29.020
for the fans.
00:56:29.020 --> 00:56:30.000
They get to see us as riders
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.090
attend them.
00:56:31.090 --> 00:56:32.200
I mean, and then they get to
00:56:32.200 --> 00:56:33.260
connect with us afterwards or in
00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.040
the arena, come up to us, and
00:56:36.040 --> 00:56:37.170
know that we're believers in God
00:56:37.170 --> 00:56:39.180
and what we stand for.
00:56:39.180 --> 00:56:40.230
And what I do around at these
00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:42.030
events, people notice it.
00:56:42.030 --> 00:56:43.280
I don't think I do a whole lot
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.100
but they come up to you and, I
00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:46.100
mean, it's amazing how much
00:56:46.100 --> 00:56:47.210
they'll reach out to you and
00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:49.060
express what they're going
00:56:49.060 --> 00:56:50.160
through or--but it brings us all
00:56:50.160 --> 00:56:52.010
closer together in knowing what
00:56:52.010 --> 00:56:53.270
we all stand for and believe in.
00:56:53.270 --> 00:56:55.290
- male: Being involved with
00:56:55.290 --> 00:56:56.240
Riding High Ministries has led
00:56:56.240 --> 00:56:58.080
to the opportunity to go on
00:56:58.080 --> 00:56:59.240
several missions,
00:56:59.240 --> 00:57:00.260
varying in scale.
00:57:00.260 --> 00:57:02.260
Sometimes it's just to the local
00:57:02.260 --> 00:57:04.240
jail or youth detention facility
00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:07.100
at a city that we're at.
00:57:07.100 --> 00:57:09.130
- Frank: And to be able to tell
00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:10.050
'em my story and tell 'em the
00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:11.160
things I messed up in my life
00:57:11.160 --> 00:57:13.100
and how God had helped me
00:57:13.100 --> 00:57:15.000
correct it.
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.170
You know, stepping in there
00:57:16.170 --> 00:57:17.150
behind them locked doors in that
00:57:17.150 --> 00:57:18.260
facility and just seeing all
00:57:18.260 --> 00:57:20.090
them young people that--and how
00:57:20.090 --> 00:57:21.280
the world has just, you know,
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.190
had a hold of 'em and, you know,
00:57:23.190 --> 00:57:25.020
and to see God work.
00:57:25.020 --> 00:57:27.050
You know, the power of God.
00:57:27.050 --> 00:57:28.090
We might not see it in every one
00:57:28.090 --> 00:57:29.210
of 'em but just one or two of
00:57:29.210 --> 00:57:30.280
'em you can just see, you know,
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.120
you see a change come over 'em.
00:57:32.120 --> 00:57:34.040
- Todd: Without Riding High,
00:57:34.040 --> 00:57:34.280
none of that stuff would have
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.010
been possible.
00:57:36.010 --> 00:57:37.000
It's through Riding High that
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.090
all this stuff is set up and
00:57:38.090 --> 00:57:39.130
we're able to go into the
00:57:39.130 --> 00:57:40.290
communities and to go into other
00:57:40.290 --> 00:57:42.040
countries and share God's Word
00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:43.180
and share his love and his plan
00:57:43.180 --> 00:57:44.240
with others.
00:57:44.240 --> 00:57:46.270
- Dwight: What a great thing,
00:57:46.270 --> 00:57:47.190
Todd.
00:57:47.290 --> 00:57:50.290
[audience applauding]
00:57:50.290 --> 00:57:53.280
You know, as an evangelist,
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.130
I'm just jumping on the inside
00:57:55.130 --> 00:57:56.270
right now just thinking about
00:57:56.270 --> 00:57:59.040
how God has the right person in
00:57:59.240 --> 00:58:02.260
the right place at the right
00:58:02.260 --> 00:58:03.180
time for the right people.
00:58:03.180 --> 00:58:06.050
He may not come and hear me, of
00:58:06.050 --> 00:58:08.190
course, but right there the Lord
00:58:08.190 --> 00:58:11.070
has his vessel, the witness that
00:58:13.110 --> 00:58:16.110
they need, right in their own
00:58:16.150 --> 00:58:19.150
culture to lead people to the
00:58:19.150 --> 00:58:22.090
Lord Jesus Christ.
00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:23.280
Riding High Ministries, isn't
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.070
that a great thing?
00:58:25.070 --> 00:58:26.080
Isn't that a great thing?
00:58:29.200 --> 00:58:32.200
- Dwight: Let me introduce
00:58:32.200 --> 00:58:33.180
Lawrence Bishop here now.
00:58:33.180 --> 00:58:35.110
And you're getting acquainted
00:58:35.110 --> 00:58:36.270
with all three.
00:58:36.270 --> 00:58:37.230
Now, Lawrence, he's a bull rider
00:58:38.220 --> 00:58:41.220
and one thing I remember about
00:58:41.220 --> 00:58:44.050
the one, I think it was in
00:58:44.050 --> 00:58:45.200
Phoenix, I don't know that we
00:58:45.200 --> 00:58:46.270
have that clip, that's where
00:58:46.270 --> 00:58:49.010
that bull jerked you down and
00:58:49.010 --> 00:58:50.060
hits you.
00:58:50.060 --> 00:58:51.080
And you were hung up in the
00:58:51.080 --> 00:58:54.000
rigging.
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.040
And it threw you around.
00:58:55.040 --> 00:58:57.100
Is that--in the rope.
00:58:57.100 --> 00:58:58.100
And then the only thing the
00:58:58.100 --> 00:59:00.130
announcer is heard to say when
00:59:00.130 --> 00:59:02.160
the ambulance came in and took
00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:03.250
you out of there was, "All we
00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:06.130
can tell you is they tell me
00:59:06.130 --> 00:59:07.180
that cowboy's still breathing."
00:59:07.180 --> 00:59:09.130
And that was you.
00:59:09.130 --> 00:59:11.040
I don't think we have that clip.
00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:12.170
- Lawrence: Hopefully not.
00:59:12.170 --> 00:59:14.240
- Dwight: But--he said,
00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:16.080
"I hope not."
00:59:16.080 --> 00:59:17.120
I hope not.
00:59:17.120 --> 00:59:18.050
But say hello to
00:59:18.050 --> 00:59:19.060
Lawrence Bishop.
00:59:19.060 --> 00:59:19.270
He and--he's the co-pastor with
00:59:20.110 --> 00:59:23.110
his mother, Darlene Bishop, one
00:59:23.110 --> 00:59:26.030
of the great preachers of the
00:59:26.030 --> 00:59:27.150
gospel.
00:59:27.150 --> 00:59:28.130
Both of them, co-pastor of the
00:59:28.130 --> 00:59:30.130
great Solid Rock Church not only
00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:32.280
down in Cincinnati but in
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.160
Monroe.
00:59:34.160 --> 00:59:35.100
We're thrilled that he is with
00:59:35.100 --> 00:59:36.150
us.
00:59:36.150 --> 00:59:38.030
And you did something really,
00:59:38.030 --> 00:59:39.220
really unique that I want
00:59:39.220 --> 00:59:42.090
everybody to hear about and I'm
00:59:42.090 --> 00:59:43.190
gonna let you tell it.
00:59:43.190 --> 00:59:45.140
Welcome, by the way, to "Praise
00:59:45.140 --> 00:59:46.140
the Lord."
00:59:46.140 --> 00:59:47.060
- Lawrence: Oh, it's good to
00:59:47.060 --> 00:59:47.270
be here 'cause we have so many
00:59:47.270 --> 00:59:49.100
cool people.
00:59:49.100 --> 00:59:50.200
the--when I rode the bull in
00:59:52.220 --> 00:59:54.070
church, I guess?
00:59:54.070 --> 00:59:55.050
- Dwight: Yes.
00:59:55.050 --> 00:59:55.230
And do we have that one, don't
00:59:55.230 --> 00:59:56.140
we?
00:59:56.140 --> 00:59:56.290
- Lawrence: I think so.
00:59:56.290 --> 00:59:58.140
- Dwight: I think we have that
00:59:58.140 --> 00:59:59.060
one then, okay.
00:59:59.060 --> 01:00:00.030
So you can set that up whenever
01:00:00.030 --> 01:00:00.250
you're ready for it.
01:00:00.250 --> 01:00:01.160
- Lawrence: Okay, the year
01:00:01.160 --> 01:00:02.080
before, I broke a wild horse in
01:00:02.080 --> 01:00:03.270
church and we hauled in
01:00:03.270 --> 01:00:06.110
some--took a couple hundred
01:00:06.110 --> 01:00:09.060
the sanctuary, put down plastic
01:00:11.080 --> 01:00:13.080
and plywood, and put--had dirt
01:00:13.080 --> 01:00:15.060
hauled in.
01:00:15.060 --> 01:00:16.060
Had a round pen and I just broke
01:00:16.060 --> 01:00:18.240
a wild horse that was on his way
01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:20.040
to the dog food place 'cause
01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:24.070
he'd put a few people in the
01:00:24.070 --> 01:00:25.220
hospital.
01:00:25.220 --> 01:00:26.250
And so I just, you know, did a
01:00:26.250 --> 01:00:28.270
sermon about submitting under
01:00:28.270 --> 01:00:30.150
the master's hand and said, you
01:00:30.150 --> 01:00:32.170
know, he thinks if he submits to
01:00:32.170 --> 01:00:34.080
me, he's gonna lose his freedom.
01:00:34.080 --> 01:00:35.250
But when he submits to me, he's
01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:37.190
gonna find out that he gains
01:00:37.190 --> 01:00:38.280
freedom.
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.000
It's just like so many people,
01:00:40.220 --> 01:00:43.220
just agree with what Todd was
01:00:43.220 --> 01:00:45.050
saying.
01:00:45.050 --> 01:00:45.280
Sometimes, I had a--I told a
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.100
story in church the other day.
01:00:47.100 --> 01:00:48.170
A horse got his legs caught in a
01:00:48.170 --> 01:00:50.280
wire fence and if I go to him
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.190
and I'm saying, "Whoa, whoa,
01:00:53.190 --> 01:00:55.060
whoa," he--a horse that don't
01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:57.090
trust me will be trying to get
01:00:57.090 --> 01:00:59.110
away from me and he's tearing
01:00:59.110 --> 01:01:01.120
the hide off his legs.
01:01:01.120 --> 01:01:02.210
I've seen 'em tear, you know,
01:01:02.210 --> 01:01:03.230
that wire tear and cuttin' into
01:01:03.230 --> 01:01:05.010
their flesh.
01:01:05.010 --> 01:01:05.250
And what is happenin', he's
01:01:05.250 --> 01:01:07.070
running from the only guy who
01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:09.140
has the ability to set him free.
01:01:09.140 --> 01:01:11.200
And a horse that trusts me will
01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:13.240
stand there and let me do
01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:16.030
whatever I want because he--and
01:01:16.030 --> 01:01:18.020
so many people, they think God
01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:19.180
wants to take away their fun and
01:01:19.180 --> 01:01:21.080
God wants 'em to move to Africa
01:01:21.080 --> 01:01:22.170
and marry a woman they hate,
01:01:22.170 --> 01:01:24.230
you know.
01:01:24.230 --> 01:01:25.170
But you're running from the guy
01:01:25.290 --> 01:01:28.290
that can set you free.
01:01:28.290 --> 01:01:30.270
He's not here to take out your
01:01:30.270 --> 01:01:32.030
fun, you know, and to make you
01:01:32.030 --> 01:01:33.160
miserable.
01:01:33.160 --> 01:01:34.170
So that was kind of the message
01:01:34.170 --> 01:01:36.020
on that that I did a couple of
01:01:36.020 --> 01:01:38.070
years ago so ABC "Nightline"
01:01:38.070 --> 01:01:39.270
called me--am I allowed to say
01:01:39.270 --> 01:01:41.250
that?
01:01:41.250 --> 01:01:42.150
And asked me if I would do it
01:01:42.150 --> 01:01:43.230
again but if I would do it on a
01:01:43.230 --> 01:01:45.190
bull next time.
01:01:45.190 --> 01:01:47.110
So I said, "Sure, I rode bulls
01:01:47.110 --> 01:01:49.170
in PRCA for years but I hadn't
01:01:49.170 --> 01:01:51.160
been on one since, like, the
01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:52.120
'90s.
01:01:52.120 --> 01:01:53.110
I rode broncs 'til, like, '08 in
01:01:53.110 --> 01:01:55.180
the PRCA but hadn't been on a
01:01:55.180 --> 01:01:57.040
bull in a long time so I got a
01:01:57.040 --> 01:01:58.250
one practice bull at my house
01:01:58.250 --> 01:02:01.000
and it went well so I thought,
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:02.070
"I can still do this," even
01:02:02.070 --> 01:02:03.020
though I was kinda too fat and,
01:02:03.020 --> 01:02:04.290
you know, too old, whatever.
01:02:04.290 --> 01:02:07.210
So we did it and I guess I'll
01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:12.040
show the clip but I wish Frank
01:02:12.040 --> 01:02:13.270
Newsom would have been there but
01:02:13.270 --> 01:02:15.230
that's--yeah, we can show that.
01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:18.240
Then I'll tell you what
01:02:18.240 --> 01:02:19.200
happened.
01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:20.100
- Dwight: Okay, just take a
01:02:20.100 --> 01:02:21.000
look--
01:02:21.140 --> 01:02:24.140
[screaming]
01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:38.010
- Lawrence: I did this to get
01:02:38.010 --> 01:02:39.260
you in the house to tell you
01:02:40.010 --> 01:02:43.010
Jesus is setting people free.
01:02:43.100 --> 01:02:46.100
He's delivering people
01:02:46.100 --> 01:02:47.160
from addiction every day.
01:02:47.160 --> 01:02:50.060
And let me tell you, all you
01:02:50.060 --> 01:02:51.190
have to do is have confidence in
01:02:51.190 --> 01:02:54.030
your heavenly Father and rest
01:02:54.030 --> 01:02:56.040
assured, like I did under that
01:02:56.040 --> 01:02:57.190
bed, that he can whip any devil
01:02:57.190 --> 01:03:00.140
that comes up against you.
01:03:00.140 --> 01:03:02.150
- Lawrence: I wanna pray
01:03:02.150 --> 01:03:03.150
this prayer again.
01:03:03.150 --> 01:03:04.090
Everyone shout, "Dear Jesus,
01:03:04.090 --> 01:03:07.000
come into my heart.
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.240
Forgive me of my sins.
01:03:09.240 --> 01:03:12.180
I believe you're the Son of God
01:03:13.010 --> 01:03:16.010
that died on the cross
01:03:16.030 --> 01:03:19.030
and rose again.
01:03:19.030 --> 01:03:21.070
Thank you for saving me, Jesus."
01:03:21.070 --> 01:03:24.070
- Dwight: I saw that on ABC
01:03:24.070 --> 01:03:25.050
"Nightline."
01:03:25.050 --> 01:03:26.250
I saw that.
01:03:26.250 --> 01:03:27.290
Now, what I wanna say is even
01:03:28.090 --> 01:03:31.090
Frank--I can see why Frank
01:03:31.230 --> 01:03:34.230
needed to be there right then.
01:03:34.230 --> 01:03:36.070
- Lawrence: I couldn't afford
01:03:36.070 --> 01:03:37.000
him.
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.000
- Dwight: You couldn't afford
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:38.210
him.
01:03:38.210 --> 01:03:39.050
- Lawrence: I got the discount
01:03:39.050 --> 01:03:39.270
bull fighters.
01:03:39.270 --> 01:03:41.080
- Dwight: But I was thinking
01:03:41.080 --> 01:03:43.050
about you got up anyway and you
01:03:43.050 --> 01:03:45.250
stood up there and delivered
01:03:45.250 --> 01:03:47.250
your message and I happen to
01:03:47.250 --> 01:03:50.080
know for a fact hundreds came to
01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:51.240
the Lord Jesus Christ that
01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:53.180
night.
01:03:53.180 --> 01:03:54.160
- Lawrence: Praise God.
01:03:54.160 --> 01:03:55.040
- Dwight: But the point that I
01:03:55.040 --> 01:03:56.230
wanna make is the length that
01:03:56.230 --> 01:03:58.240
you went to in order to get
01:03:58.240 --> 01:04:01.130
people in there so you could
01:04:01.130 --> 01:04:03.160
tell them about Jesus Christ.
01:04:03.160 --> 01:04:05.250
That's what church ought to do.
01:04:05.250 --> 01:04:08.030
Do what you gotta do to get 'em
01:04:08.030 --> 01:04:09.130
in there to win 'em to Christ.
01:04:09.130 --> 01:04:11.090
- Lawrence: Well, one thing I
01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:12.230
said that I guess was maybe some
01:04:12.230 --> 01:04:15.010
people thought it was profound
01:04:15.010 --> 01:04:17.120
or powerful, it was just I said,
01:04:17.120 --> 01:04:18.290
"Look, we don't care if you
01:04:18.290 --> 01:04:21.000
We don't care if you smell
01:04:23.040 --> 01:04:23.230
like weed.
01:04:23.230 --> 01:04:24.220
I don't care if you committed
01:04:24.220 --> 01:04:25.170
adultery 2 hours ago.
01:04:25.170 --> 01:04:26.280
Just come in the house.
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.230
We don't care if you got needle
01:04:28.230 --> 01:04:30.050
tracks in your arm.
01:04:30.050 --> 01:04:31.060
Just come through the doors."
01:04:31.060 --> 01:04:32.190
A lot of people say, "Well, I
01:04:32.190 --> 01:04:34.090
can't--I don't wanna come to
01:04:34.090 --> 01:04:35.140
church because I don't wanna be
01:04:35.140 --> 01:04:36.170
a hypocrite."
01:04:36.170 --> 01:04:37.260
And I'm saying--and they're,
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.010
like, "Oh, I'm still getting
01:04:39.010 --> 01:04:39.270
high, I'm still getting drunk.
01:04:39.270 --> 01:04:41.020
I'm living with a girl I'm not
01:04:41.020 --> 01:04:41.230
married to.
01:04:41.230 --> 01:04:42.180
I don't wanna come to church."
01:04:42.180 --> 01:04:43.130
I'm saying, "So what you're
01:04:43.130 --> 01:04:44.120
telling me is if you break your
01:04:44.120 --> 01:04:45.250
leg, you're gonna wait until it
01:04:45.250 --> 01:04:47.090
hospital?"
01:04:49.150 --> 01:04:51.110
- Frank: Right.
01:04:51.110 --> 01:04:52.040
- Dwight: Say that.
01:04:52.040 --> 01:04:52.250
- Lawrence: Jesus said,
01:04:52.250 --> 01:04:53.210
"Come just as you are.
01:04:53.210 --> 01:04:55.130
Come high."
01:04:55.130 --> 01:04:56.230
We have 'em come to church,
01:04:56.230 --> 01:04:58.140
nodding out on heroin.
01:04:58.140 --> 01:04:59.290
We have 'em come and smell like
01:04:59.290 --> 01:05:01.150
alcohol, smell like weed.
01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:03.090
We don't care.
01:05:03.090 --> 01:05:04.040
We just say, "Keep coming
01:05:04.040 --> 01:05:05.070
through the doors."
01:05:05.070 --> 01:05:06.030
And you know, even if you fall
01:05:06.030 --> 01:05:08.290
and people will come up to me,
01:05:08.290 --> 01:05:10.260
they'll say, "Pastor, you know,
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:12.110
I was clean off heroin for 3
01:05:12.110 --> 01:05:13.200
months, 4 months, I got high
01:05:13.200 --> 01:05:15.160
last night."
01:05:15.160 --> 01:05:16.090
They'll call me.
01:05:16.090 --> 01:05:17.010
"I messed up again."
01:05:17.010 --> 01:05:18.120
Keep coming through the doors.
01:05:18.120 --> 01:05:19.280
Keep coming.
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.240
Keep coming, keep coming, keep
01:05:20.240 --> 01:05:21.280
coming.
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.120
If we can--and you know, I
01:05:24.020 --> 01:05:27.020
didn't really particularly wanna
01:05:27.020 --> 01:05:28.030
get on a bull in church but
01:05:28.030 --> 01:05:29.270
here's what the thing that I
01:05:29.270 --> 01:05:31.190
feel.
01:05:31.210 --> 01:05:34.210
I grew up in a Christian home, a
01:05:34.210 --> 01:05:36.120
Christian great church, pastor
01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:39.170
parents, Christian music all in
01:05:39.170 --> 01:05:42.030
the house, Christian TV all in
01:05:42.030 --> 01:05:44.050
the home, Dwight Thompson on the
01:05:44.050 --> 01:05:45.200
TV in my home.
01:05:45.200 --> 01:05:47.010
So you know, I had--I've been
01:05:47.010 --> 01:05:49.110
given much.
01:05:49.110 --> 01:05:50.240
Darlene Bishop as a mother.
01:05:50.240 --> 01:05:53.090
She could smell if you sinned.
01:05:53.090 --> 01:05:55.160
She would look at me and say,
01:05:55.160 --> 01:05:57.280
"Where did you go last night?"
01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.170
I could tell her something as
01:05:59.170 --> 01:06:00.260
a teenager, she'd be, like, "The
01:06:00.260 --> 01:06:02.150
Holy Ghost just told me you were
01:06:02.150 --> 01:06:03.270
with so-and-so and you did this,
01:06:03.270 --> 01:06:05.220
and--" you know.
01:06:05.220 --> 01:06:06.210
I didn't have a chance to
01:06:06.210 --> 01:06:08.080
backslide.
01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:09.070
So I have been given much so I
01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:13.160
feel that I owe a huge debt to
01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:17.120
people that grew up in a
01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:19.090
alcoholic home with parents that
01:06:19.090 --> 01:06:21.080
are shooting up, with a mom that
01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:22.250
cheated on dad when dad was at
01:06:22.250 --> 01:06:24.050
work and dad that cheated on mom
01:06:24.050 --> 01:06:25.120
when mom was at work and they
01:06:25.120 --> 01:06:26.270
had alcohol in the 'fridge and
01:06:26.270 --> 01:06:28.150
they had porno on the TV and
01:06:28.150 --> 01:06:30.130
they--see, everybody didn't have
01:06:30.130 --> 01:06:32.050
the opportunity that I have.
01:06:32.050 --> 01:06:33.240
So think about in Matthew at
01:06:33.240 --> 01:06:35.140
chapter 18, the parable of the
01:06:35.140 --> 01:06:37.040
wicked servant.
01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:38.190
One was forgiven of a huge
01:06:38.190 --> 01:06:40.130
enormous debt and so then he
01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:43.200
thanks the master and he goes
01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:46.000
out and he grabs a guy by the
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.160
neck that owes him just a few
01:06:47.160 --> 01:06:48.290
hundred dollars.
01:06:48.290 --> 01:06:50.150
You know that story.
01:06:50.150 --> 01:06:51.140
We always preach about that when
01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:52.190
we're talking about forgiveness.
01:06:52.190 --> 01:06:54.200
But look at that story through
01:06:54.200 --> 01:06:55.240
the lens of an evangelist.
01:06:55.240 --> 01:06:57.150
And let's talk about compassion.
01:06:57.150 --> 01:06:59.090
I have been forgiven all my debt
01:06:59.090 --> 01:07:01.200
because I know Jesus.
01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:03.000
It would be for me not to tell
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.120
everyone I see, would be like if
01:07:05.120 --> 01:07:07.200
you and I had the same bank and
01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:09.070
I went to the bank and they
01:07:09.070 --> 01:07:10.100
said, "Hey, today only, all you
01:07:10.110 --> 01:07:13.110
have to do is write your name on
01:07:13.110 --> 01:07:14.080
this paper and all your debts
01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:16.000
are forgiven."
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:16.260
Maybe you go to that bank and
01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:18.200
you have some huge debt.
01:07:18.200 --> 01:07:20.020
I don't tell you about it.
01:07:20.020 --> 01:07:21.130
Why should I care?
01:07:21.130 --> 01:07:22.080
I got all my debt erased but I
01:07:22.080 --> 01:07:24.030
don't--if I'm a friend, I owe
01:07:24.030 --> 01:07:26.140
you the information that you can
01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:28.190
get the same debt that I got.
01:07:28.190 --> 01:07:30.170
So the way--I preached a series
01:07:31.100 --> 01:07:34.100
in church called, "I Owe Them
01:07:34.100 --> 01:07:35.260
Jesus," or "We Owe Them Jesus."
01:07:35.260 --> 01:07:38.090
I've been--I got too many
01:07:38.090 --> 01:07:39.220
concussions too.
01:07:39.220 --> 01:07:40.260
But I thought brother--
01:07:41.100 --> 01:07:44.100
Pastor Jeffress was in my cab
01:07:44.100 --> 01:07:46.170
on the way here.
01:07:46.170 --> 01:07:47.260
Well, and I--me and my wife,
01:07:47.260 --> 01:07:49.180
Saleena, were just staring at
01:07:49.180 --> 01:07:50.200
each other, couldn't believe it.
01:07:50.200 --> 01:07:52.030
We had a Muslim cab driver.
01:07:52.030 --> 01:07:54.060
And so I was tell--asking him, I
01:07:54.060 --> 01:07:57.020
said, "Who does your Bible say
01:07:57.020 --> 01:07:58.050
that Jesus is?"
01:07:58.050 --> 01:07:59.060
He said, "It says that Jesus
01:07:59.060 --> 01:08:00.290
is a prophet."
01:08:00.290 --> 01:08:02.020
I said, "Does it say he was
01:08:02.020 --> 01:08:03.130
a false prophet?"
01:08:03.130 --> 01:08:04.150
"No, he was a good prophet."
01:08:04.150 --> 01:08:05.240
I said, "Do you know what
01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:06.200
a prophet is?
01:08:06.200 --> 01:08:07.140
It's a messenger from God."
01:08:07.140 --> 01:08:09.170
"Yes, it's a messenger from
01:08:09.170 --> 01:08:10.120
God."
01:08:10.120 --> 01:08:11.040
"Do you know what the good
01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:12.250
prophet, the messenger from God,
01:08:12.250 --> 01:08:15.030
said?
01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:16.060
He said, 'I am the way,
01:08:16.060 --> 01:08:18.020
the truth, and the life.
01:08:18.020 --> 01:08:19.220
No man comes to God but by me.'
01:08:19.220 --> 01:08:21.180
If he tries any other way,
01:08:21.180 --> 01:08:22.240
he's the same as a thief and a
01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:24.000
robber.
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:24.260
So your Bible cannot possibly be
01:08:24.260 --> 01:08:26.190
right.
01:08:26.190 --> 01:08:28.000
He cannot be a good prophet and
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.120
not be the Son of God.
01:08:29.120 --> 01:08:31.120
He is either a liar or he is the
01:08:31.120 --> 01:08:33.220
Lord, and there is no in
01:08:33.220 --> 01:08:35.110
between."
01:08:35.110 --> 01:08:36.090
He said, "I never looked at
01:08:36.090 --> 01:08:37.150
that like that before."
01:08:37.150 --> 01:08:39.040
Then I begin to tell him the
01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:40.120
same thing Pastor Jeffress.
01:08:40.120 --> 01:08:41.240
Allah and Jehovah are not the
01:08:41.240 --> 01:08:43.140
same.
01:08:43.140 --> 01:08:44.070
Allah has no sons.
01:08:44.070 --> 01:08:45.110
Jehovah has a Son named Jesus.
01:08:45.110 --> 01:08:46.290
"You believe the same God that
01:08:46.290 --> 01:08:48.100
made you made me?"
01:08:48.100 --> 01:08:50.020
He said, "Yes."
01:08:50.020 --> 01:08:50.220
"So there's one God?"
01:08:50.220 --> 01:08:51.230
And I said, "To deny the Son
01:08:51.230 --> 01:08:53.190
is to deny God Jehovah of the
01:08:53.190 --> 01:08:56.130
Bible.
01:08:56.130 --> 01:08:57.160
You are taking one man's
01:08:57.160 --> 01:08:59.100
account, one man, that sat in
01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:02.080
a cave and, by your Bible, tried
01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:04.050
to commit suicide and throw
01:09:04.050 --> 01:09:05.210
himself off a mountain three
01:09:05.210 --> 01:09:07.010
times, he was so tormented."
01:09:07.010 --> 01:09:09.030
I said, "One man's account.
01:09:09.030 --> 01:09:10.150
So you're denying the God of the
01:09:10.150 --> 01:09:11.290
Bible, Moses, Elijah, and all
01:09:11.290 --> 01:09:13.230
the prophets from around the
01:09:13.230 --> 01:09:15.060
world, this book that does not
01:09:15.060 --> 01:09:16.260
contradict itself one time.
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:18.130
Think about what you're doing."
01:09:18.130 --> 01:09:20.020
So he got silent for a long
01:09:20.020 --> 01:09:21.090
time.
01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:22.020
And when we got out, he walked
01:09:22.020 --> 01:09:23.000
around the cab and he grabbed me
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:25.200
and hugged me for a long time.
01:09:25.200 --> 01:09:27.290
And he said, "Thank you,
01:09:27.290 --> 01:09:29.050
brother, thank you."
01:09:29.050 --> 01:09:30.030
And he backed up.
01:09:30.030 --> 01:09:31.020
I said, "Are you ready to
01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:31.260
receive Jesus as your Savior?"
01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:33.200
He looked at me and he said,
01:09:33.200 --> 01:09:35.190
"I already did it."
01:09:35.190 --> 01:09:36.240
So look, it is--
01:09:39.080 --> 01:09:42.080
- Dwight: Hallelujah.
01:09:42.080 --> 01:09:43.150
- Lawrence: It is easy.
01:09:43.150 --> 01:09:44.120
- Dwight: Hallelujah!
01:09:44.120 --> 01:09:45.060
- Lawrence: Easy.
01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:46.080
Easy to lead people to Jesus
01:09:46.080 --> 01:09:48.030
when you're not afraid to stand
01:09:48.030 --> 01:09:50.090
up and you know what you know
01:09:50.090 --> 01:09:51.150
about the Word of God.
01:09:51.150 --> 01:09:52.270
I was in Cincinnati 2 nights
01:09:52.270 --> 01:09:54.240
ago, me and Pastor Billy Price
01:09:54.240 --> 01:09:56.050
that does "Hope Over Heroin"
01:09:56.050 --> 01:09:57.030
with me.
01:09:57.030 --> 01:09:58.020
And a girl come up to me
01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:00.020
and she's got her hustle, "Hey,
01:10:00.020 --> 01:10:01.200
can I have a couple bucks for
01:10:01.200 --> 01:10:03.090
a bus ticket?
01:10:03.090 --> 01:10:04.000
I lost, you know--" I said,
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:04.250
"Honey, save your hustle."
01:10:04.250 --> 01:10:06.130
I said, "Are you on Suboxone,
01:10:06.130 --> 01:10:08.180
Are you using heroin right now?
01:10:11.200 --> 01:10:13.030
And her eyes got this big.
01:10:13.030 --> 01:10:14.010
She's like, "Oh, he knows what
01:10:14.010 --> 01:10:15.050
he's talkin' about."
01:10:15.050 --> 01:10:15.270
I said, "I deal with heroin
01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:16.190
addicts all the time."
01:10:16.190 --> 01:10:18.140
She said, "I'm on Suboxone."
01:10:18.140 --> 01:10:19.280
Long story short, we led her
01:10:19.280 --> 01:10:21.140
to Jesus, prayed for her.
01:10:21.140 --> 01:10:22.230
When we looked up, there's
01:10:22.230 --> 01:10:24.030
another heroin addict standing
01:10:24.030 --> 01:10:25.160
next to us.
01:10:25.160 --> 01:10:26.060
"Could you pray for me also?"
01:10:26.060 --> 01:10:27.180
We're praying for him, another
01:10:27.180 --> 01:10:28.200
Another one comes.
01:10:30.220 --> 01:10:31.280
Another one comes.
01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:32.260
We're laying hands on people,
01:10:32.260 --> 01:10:34.050
praying for 'em in this--at
01:10:34.050 --> 01:10:35.260
a busy intersection at 6th and
01:10:35.260 --> 01:10:37.160
Plum in right downtown
01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:38.190
Cincinnati.
01:10:38.190 --> 01:10:39.270
You know why?
01:10:39.270 --> 01:10:40.220
Because we owe them.
01:10:40.220 --> 01:10:43.120
We have been given much.
01:10:43.120 --> 01:10:44.220
You cannot just sit and eat your
01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:46.170
dinner and not tell that
01:10:46.170 --> 01:10:47.290
waitress about Jesus.
01:10:47.290 --> 01:10:49.250
How are you going to tell me
01:10:49.250 --> 01:10:51.160
that you have been given
01:10:51.160 --> 01:10:54.130
the life eternal and you're not
01:10:54.130 --> 01:10:56.180
sharing it with everybody
01:10:56.180 --> 01:10:58.100
you see?
01:10:58.100 --> 01:11:00.180
We owe 'em Jesus.
01:11:00.180 --> 01:11:01.170
- Dwight: We owe them
01:11:01.170 --> 01:11:02.110
Jesus Christ.
01:11:02.110 --> 01:11:03.180
- Lawrence: We owe 'em.
01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:04.100
- Dwight: How in the world
01:11:04.100 --> 01:11:06.070
can we keep quiet?
01:11:06.070 --> 01:11:07.280
You may say, "Well,
01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:08.250
I'm not a preacher."
01:11:08.250 --> 01:11:09.240
Being a preacher has nothing
01:11:09.240 --> 01:11:11.010
to do with it.
01:11:11.010 --> 01:11:12.010
I've never been to some kind of
01:11:12.010 --> 01:11:13.100
school of divinity or some
01:11:13.100 --> 01:11:14.190
theological seminary.
01:11:14.190 --> 01:11:16.150
You don't have to be.
01:11:16.150 --> 01:11:17.250
Here's the one thing
01:11:17.250 --> 01:11:18.260
we all have in common.
01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:20.190
We all have a testimony.
01:11:20.190 --> 01:11:23.100
What Christ has done for me, he
01:11:23.190 --> 01:11:26.190
will do for you.
01:11:26.190 --> 01:11:28.290
- Lawrence: Amen.
01:11:28.290 --> 01:11:30.070
- Dwight: All right, let's just
01:11:30.070 --> 01:11:31.040
take a couple of minutes, Frank,
01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:34.010
Todd, and Lawrence again.
01:11:34.010 --> 01:11:36.080
Now, you heard everything
01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:38.170
going on tonight.
01:11:38.170 --> 01:11:40.030
Frank, what would you like to
01:11:40.030 --> 01:11:42.020
say to people, looking into
01:11:42.020 --> 01:11:43.070
this camera right now?
01:11:43.070 --> 01:11:44.280
What Christ has done for you and
01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:46.080
Just talk to us about that
01:11:48.100 --> 01:11:49.070
a couple of minutes.
01:11:49.070 --> 01:11:50.140
- Frank: I don't know.
01:11:50.140 --> 01:11:51.020
Probably the one thing would be
01:11:51.020 --> 01:11:52.050
to commit to him, to follow him.
01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:54.270
I knew about him growing up.
01:11:54.270 --> 01:11:56.270
I knew, and I did kind of make
01:11:56.270 --> 01:11:58.250
a commitment but it was kind of
01:11:58.250 --> 01:11:59.290
that on Sunday kind of
01:11:59.290 --> 01:12:01.210
commitment, you know?
01:12:01.210 --> 01:12:02.170
And as I got older, I took on
01:12:02.170 --> 01:12:04.150
followed a lot of other ways and
01:12:06.200 --> 01:12:09.070
ended up taking me down a lot of
01:12:09.070 --> 01:12:10.250
wrong roads but whenever I, you
01:12:10.250 --> 01:12:13.000
know, I pretty much ruined
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:14.150
my whole life by following,
01:12:14.150 --> 01:12:17.010
you know, alcohol, you know,
01:12:17.010 --> 01:12:20.010
addictions, you know?
01:12:20.010 --> 01:12:21.080
And pretty much just following
01:12:21.080 --> 01:12:23.010
that instinct.
01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:24.030
And when I finally give that up
01:12:24.030 --> 01:12:26.210
and just made the decision that
01:12:26.210 --> 01:12:29.110
I need help, I need you.
01:12:29.110 --> 01:12:31.060
And I knew who he was, you know,
01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:32.260
and God put me in the right
01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:34.260
person at the right time, you
01:12:34.260 --> 01:12:37.020
know?
01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:37.250
And he introduced me to another
01:12:37.250 --> 01:12:39.240
man that was willing--he was a
01:12:39.240 --> 01:12:42.060
godly man.
01:12:42.060 --> 01:12:43.060
He was willing to take me into
01:12:43.060 --> 01:12:44.090
his home and started getting me
01:12:44.090 --> 01:12:45.230
reintroduced to God and who he
01:12:45.230 --> 01:12:47.230
was and I knew, you know, and
01:12:47.230 --> 01:12:49.070
yeah, I'd remember him and I
01:12:49.070 --> 01:12:50.240
want him now.
01:12:50.240 --> 01:12:51.260
I want him now.
01:12:51.260 --> 01:12:53.010
And the more I commit to him,
01:12:53.010 --> 01:12:54.240
the more he shows me who he is.
01:12:54.240 --> 01:12:56.280
You know, there was a time when
01:12:56.280 --> 01:12:58.130
it was just trying to get
01:12:58.130 --> 01:12:59.190
through a day sober.
01:12:59.190 --> 01:13:00.250
You know, now, man, I got a
01:13:00.250 --> 01:13:02.290
wife, I've got a beautiful wife,
01:13:02.290 --> 01:13:05.080
I've got three beautiful kids.
01:13:05.080 --> 01:13:06.250
I've got all these blessings,
01:13:06.250 --> 01:13:08.070
you know?
01:13:08.070 --> 01:13:08.290
He give me my life, you know, my
01:13:08.290 --> 01:13:10.000
job, my career, back, you know,
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:11.260
that I love.
01:13:11.260 --> 01:13:13.040
I'm 41 years old and everybody,
01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:15.060
you know, the other night I get
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.170
knocked out and everybody's,
01:13:16.170 --> 01:13:17.200
like, "When--aren't you gonna
01:13:17.200 --> 01:13:18.150
retire?
01:13:18.150 --> 01:13:19.060
Doesn't that--" I was, like,
01:13:19.060 --> 01:13:20.120
"Man, yeah, you know, that hurts
01:13:20.120 --> 01:13:21.200
but you don't understand.
01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:22.290
I mean, you just can't--I can't
01:13:22.290 --> 01:13:24.030
make you understand what God put
01:13:24.030 --> 01:13:26.040
in me that I love what I do and
01:13:26.040 --> 01:13:27.250
he lets me, you know, he showed
01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:29.230
me the value of it, you know?
01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:33.160
I get to be here with you,
01:13:34.220 --> 01:13:37.220
you know what I mean?
01:13:37.220 --> 01:13:38.190
I get, you know, what I do,
01:13:38.190 --> 01:13:40.190
there's kids that I don't even
01:13:40.190 --> 01:13:42.040
know that wanna hear everything
01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:43.290
I say.
01:13:43.290 --> 01:13:44.170
You know what I mean?
01:13:44.170 --> 01:13:45.170
So I can tell 'em about the
01:13:45.170 --> 01:13:46.140
Lord.
01:13:46.140 --> 01:13:47.020
I--there's a kid that was put
01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:48.170
into my life when he was 11
01:13:48.170 --> 01:13:49.290
years old and he lives right
01:13:49.290 --> 01:13:52.090
there by the house.
01:13:52.090 --> 01:13:53.050
His name's Cody Webster.
01:13:53.050 --> 01:13:54.120
And now he's one of the greatest
01:13:54.120 --> 01:13:55.200
bullfighters living.
01:13:55.200 --> 01:13:56.290
He's 23 years old and he's
01:13:56.290 --> 01:13:58.080
working all these great rodeos
01:13:58.080 --> 01:13:59.230
and he's--I'm getting to work
01:13:59.230 --> 01:14:01.240
with him and he's making good
01:14:01.240 --> 01:14:03.100
money and he's already given his
01:14:03.100 --> 01:14:05.020
self to the Lord.
01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:06.070
I was actually there when he was
01:14:06.070 --> 01:14:07.030
gotten baptized.
01:14:07.030 --> 01:14:08.110
And I told him the truth about
01:14:08.110 --> 01:14:09.270
life and about Jesus all the way
01:14:09.270 --> 01:14:11.100
along.
01:14:11.100 --> 01:14:12.210
And to see him make all these
01:14:12.210 --> 01:14:14.040
good decisions all the way
01:14:14.040 --> 01:14:15.160
along.
01:14:15.160 --> 01:14:16.060
- Dwight: That's wonderful.
01:14:16.060 --> 01:14:16.260
- Frank: You know, he didn't
01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:17.170
have to go through all them dark
01:14:17.170 --> 01:14:18.130
places I did whenever I'm making
01:14:18.130 --> 01:14:20.250
all them bad decisions, you know
01:14:20.250 --> 01:14:22.110
what I mean?
01:14:22.110 --> 01:14:23.080
So God put what I did wrong
01:14:23.080 --> 01:14:26.070
after--once I come to him.
01:14:26.070 --> 01:14:29.020
He not only give me my life back
01:14:29.020 --> 01:14:30.190
but he also put it to use.
01:14:30.190 --> 01:14:32.250
Put all this dark stuff to use.
01:14:32.250 --> 01:14:34.180
Because I can tell them kids,
01:14:34.180 --> 01:14:36.050
you know, "Don't go down that
01:14:36.050 --> 01:14:37.070
road.
01:14:37.070 --> 01:14:37.290
You don't want that, you know
01:14:37.290 --> 01:14:38.200
what I mean?
01:14:38.200 --> 01:14:40.110
Let's do this.
01:14:40.110 --> 01:14:41.110
Let's work out every day.
01:14:41.110 --> 01:14:43.030
Let's read the Bible every day,
01:14:43.030 --> 01:14:44.140
you know what I mean?
01:14:44.140 --> 01:14:45.170
If we need strength, let's pray
01:14:45.170 --> 01:14:46.150
about it, you know?
01:14:46.150 --> 01:14:47.280
Let's have faith, you know?"
01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:49.000
And it's just awesome, man.
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.250
- Dwight: Ah, praise the Lord
01:14:51.250 --> 01:14:52.240
for that, everybody.
01:14:52.240 --> 01:14:54.230
Todd, I know that your ministry
01:14:55.130 --> 01:14:58.130
also goes into prisons.
01:14:58.130 --> 01:15:00.200
And you reach people that it's
01:15:01.200 --> 01:15:04.200
just an amazing thing what
01:15:04.200 --> 01:15:06.140
happens.
01:15:06.140 --> 01:15:07.180
For a couple of minutes here,
01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:08.270
tell us a little bit about some
01:15:08.270 --> 01:15:11.110
of the results that you've seen.
01:15:11.110 --> 01:15:13.020
guess right now I'm probably
01:15:15.280 --> 01:15:18.280
just really proud that I'm
01:15:18.280 --> 01:15:21.050
sitting here with Frank and if
01:15:21.050 --> 01:15:22.260
you wanna know why it is that I
01:15:22.260 --> 01:15:25.140
this right here.
01:15:27.180 --> 01:15:28.230
And that he's a bullfighter.
01:15:28.230 --> 01:15:31.210
We make fun of it.
01:15:31.210 --> 01:15:33.200
He's slow-talking, he's not
01:15:33.200 --> 01:15:35.020
a preacher or is he?
01:15:35.020 --> 01:15:37.290
Because his whole life is a
01:15:37.290 --> 01:15:40.250
testimony of the goodness of God
01:15:40.250 --> 01:15:43.020
and God has put him in a
01:15:43.020 --> 01:15:44.150
platform where people will
01:15:44.150 --> 01:15:45.200
listen to him because of
01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:47.060
something he does.
01:15:47.060 --> 01:15:48.190
And the day he got knocked out,
01:15:48.190 --> 01:15:50.290
2 hours before that, him and his
01:15:50.290 --> 01:15:53.110
wife were speaking in a coliseum
01:15:53.110 --> 01:15:55.070
event that we did that morning
01:15:55.070 --> 01:15:57.010
for our fans, talking about the
01:15:57.010 --> 01:15:59.040
goodness of God and the
01:15:59.040 --> 01:16:00.170
faithfulness of him and their--
01:16:00.170 --> 01:16:02.220
all their trust is in him.
01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:04.100
And 2 hours later, the same fans
01:16:04.100 --> 01:16:06.260
that got to listen to him give
01:16:06.260 --> 01:16:08.260
a--just this powerful Word,
01:16:08.260 --> 01:16:11.250
watched him laying, like--and it
01:16:11.250 --> 01:16:14.130
was gruesome.
01:16:14.130 --> 01:16:15.010
It sounded like he was dying
01:16:15.010 --> 01:16:17.030
because he was on his back and
01:16:17.030 --> 01:16:18.230
all the blood was going down his
01:16:18.230 --> 01:16:19.280
throat and he was choking on it
01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:21.150
and he was hollering and the
01:16:21.150 --> 01:16:22.240
entire stadium was silent.
01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:24.070
It was a horrible thing.
01:16:24.070 --> 01:16:25.210
And then right across the fence
01:16:25.210 --> 01:16:27.070
from that was his wife, watching
01:16:27.070 --> 01:16:29.180
this whole thing going.
01:16:29.180 --> 01:16:30.200
And she just sat there and held
01:16:30.200 --> 01:16:32.030
the baby and just watched the
01:16:32.030 --> 01:16:33.080
whole thing.
01:16:33.080 --> 01:16:34.220
And you say you wanna put an
01:16:34.220 --> 01:16:36.020
exclamation point on a sermon,
01:16:36.020 --> 01:16:38.240
that's what Frank did.
01:16:38.280 --> 01:16:41.280
He says, "There's no greater
01:16:41.280 --> 01:16:42.250
love than someone that would lay
01:16:42.250 --> 01:16:43.250
down their life for their
01:16:43.250 --> 01:16:44.190
friend."
01:16:44.190 --> 01:16:45.250
And that's what Frank does
01:16:45.250 --> 01:16:48.240
all the time.
01:16:48.240 --> 01:16:50.020
And so the whole bull riding
01:16:50.020 --> 01:16:52.070
community--these are not a whole
01:16:52.070 --> 01:16:53.220
bunch of preachers and I don't
01:16:53.220 --> 01:16:54.250
even consider myself, you know,
01:16:54.250 --> 01:16:56.230
a great preacher, but what we do
01:16:56.230 --> 01:16:58.260
have is a platform where God is
01:16:58.290 --> 01:17:02.010
wanting to get rid of the
01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:04.040
separation between ministry and
01:17:04.040 --> 01:17:05.240
occupation that we are all in
01:17:05.240 --> 01:17:07.130
the ministry.
01:17:07.130 --> 01:17:08.240
We're all what--Jesus said, "I'm
01:17:08.280 --> 01:17:11.280
the Word of God made flesh and
01:17:11.280 --> 01:17:13.290
I'm gonna dwell among men," and
01:17:13.290 --> 01:17:15.180
as we have our minds renewed to
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.000
his Word, we're now the Word of
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:20.130
God dwelling among men and we're
01:17:20.130 --> 01:17:22.280
visible images of what
01:17:23.190 --> 01:17:26.190
God's character's like.
01:17:26.190 --> 01:17:27.290
We're the kingdom of God coming
01:17:27.290 --> 01:17:29.040
to earth and revealing himself
01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:31.000
through people and through
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:32.090
vessels.
01:17:32.090 --> 01:17:33.090
And that's not just preachers.
01:17:33.090 --> 01:17:34.260
I love the fact that we've got
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:36.050
preachers and TBN and all of
01:17:36.050 --> 01:17:37.180
this, but we need the world to
01:17:37.180 --> 01:17:38.270
realize the relevance of their
01:17:38.270 --> 01:17:40.180
life in the workplace.
01:17:40.180 --> 01:17:41.250
And that's why I do what I do
01:17:42.040 --> 01:17:45.040
and that's what Riding High
01:17:45.040 --> 01:17:46.180
Ministries is about.
01:17:46.180 --> 01:17:47.240
We're gonna be in the AT&T
01:17:47.240 --> 01:17:49.170
Stadium right here in Dallas.
01:17:49.170 --> 01:17:50.280
If you wanna talk about a
01:17:50.280 --> 01:17:52.190
platform that the Lord has given
01:17:52.190 --> 01:17:53.250
us, the week before,
01:17:53.250 --> 01:17:55.160
Greg Laurie's gonna be there
01:17:55.160 --> 01:17:56.260
doing his Harvest America event.
01:17:56.260 --> 01:17:58.280
And we didn't do anything to
01:17:58.280 --> 01:18:01.160
earn that.
01:18:01.160 --> 01:18:02.280
We're just doing our job but God
01:18:02.280 --> 01:18:04.280
has created a whole organization
01:18:04.280 --> 01:18:06.240
that is gonna celebrate the fact
01:18:06.240 --> 01:18:09.050
that there's men that love God,
01:18:09.050 --> 01:18:10.220
they've been consumed with his
01:18:10.220 --> 01:18:11.220
love and they can't help but do
01:18:11.220 --> 01:18:12.280
exactly what Lawrence was
01:18:12.280 --> 01:18:14.010
saying.
01:18:14.010 --> 01:18:14.240
We can't help but tell people
01:18:14.240 --> 01:18:16.170
about the love of God.
01:18:16.170 --> 01:18:18.070
- Dwight: Wow.
01:18:18.070 --> 01:18:19.140
Just think about that.
01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:20.200
Think about that.
01:18:20.200 --> 01:18:21.240
Well, I just can't believe
01:18:21.240 --> 01:18:23.290
how our time's run out.
01:18:23.290 --> 01:18:25.190
Lawrence, we've got a couple of
01:18:25.240 --> 01:18:28.240
minutes here and where's Mike?
01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:31.260
Is he getting ready to sing for
01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:33.010
us here in just a moment?
01:18:33.010 --> 01:18:34.040
But take a couple of minutes.
01:18:34.040 --> 01:18:35.080
Let's call people to Christ
01:18:35.080 --> 01:18:36.200
right now.
01:18:36.200 --> 01:18:37.150
Let's call 'em to Christ right
01:18:37.150 --> 01:18:38.090
now.
01:18:38.090 --> 01:18:39.030
Will you do that?
01:18:39.030 --> 01:18:39.230
- Lawrence: Yes, absolutely.
01:18:39.230 --> 01:18:40.250
- Dwight: Just everybody that's
01:18:40.250 --> 01:18:41.230
watching, that's never given
01:18:41.230 --> 01:18:43.110
their heart to Christ, maybe you
01:18:43.110 --> 01:18:44.110
didn't do it a while ago.
01:18:44.110 --> 01:18:45.180
I want you to just listen right
01:18:45.180 --> 01:18:47.040
now, about 2 minutes or so.
01:18:47.040 --> 01:18:49.220
We've gotta do this.
01:18:49.220 --> 01:18:51.110
Let's bring people to Christ and
01:18:51.110 --> 01:18:53.040
lead 'em in the sinners' prayer
01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.040
right now.
01:18:54.040 --> 01:18:55.000
- Lawrence: I'd just like to
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:55.210
say before I pray, if you feel
01:18:55.210 --> 01:18:56.230
like you're that horse that's
01:18:56.230 --> 01:18:59.040
caught in the wire fence of
01:18:59.040 --> 01:19:00.220
addiction and you've been
01:19:00.220 --> 01:19:03.050
running.
01:19:03.050 --> 01:19:04.100
Let me tell you something,
01:19:04.100 --> 01:19:05.090
I pray with heroin addicts and
01:19:05.210 --> 01:19:08.210
I pray with heroin addicts'
01:19:08.210 --> 01:19:09.210
mothers and fathers.
01:19:09.210 --> 01:19:11.080
They come to "Hope Over Heroin"
01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:12.170
events by the thousands.
01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:14.020
And I get down and pray with
01:19:14.130 --> 01:19:17.130
parents that have nothing left
01:19:17.130 --> 01:19:18.210
but a photograph of their child
01:19:18.210 --> 01:19:20.140
that's OD'd on heroin.
01:19:20.140 --> 01:19:22.070
I just plead with you whatever
01:19:22.070 --> 01:19:24.110
you're caught in, whatever
01:19:24.110 --> 01:19:25.150
addiction that you're hung up
01:19:25.150 --> 01:19:26.270
in, please don't run from the
01:19:26.270 --> 01:19:29.030
only man that can set you free.
01:19:29.030 --> 01:19:31.090
Please don't run from Jesus.
01:19:31.090 --> 01:19:33.130
He don't want anything but good
01:19:33.270 --> 01:19:36.270
for your life and not bad.
01:19:36.270 --> 01:19:39.190
So I pray, when you feel that
01:19:39.190 --> 01:19:40.280
Holy Spirit draw on you right
01:19:40.280 --> 01:19:42.120
now, it's a dangerous thing
01:19:42.120 --> 01:19:44.010
to turn this away.
01:19:44.010 --> 01:19:45.170
You didn't see this by accident.
01:19:45.170 --> 01:19:47.030
It's no coincidence.
01:19:47.030 --> 01:19:48.210
There's no coincidences in this
01:19:48.210 --> 01:19:51.000
life, and especially when it
01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.000
comes to the things of God.
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.110
So right now, if you're man
01:19:54.110 --> 01:19:56.050
enough, if you're woman enough,
01:19:56.050 --> 01:19:58.150
how long is it gonna take?
01:19:58.150 --> 01:20:00.160
How many more years are you
01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:01.160
gonna have to waste?
01:20:01.160 --> 01:20:02.190
Say this prayer right now.
01:20:02.190 --> 01:20:04.170
You will never stand taller.
01:20:04.170 --> 01:20:06.140
"Dear God, in Jesus' name,
01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:09.120
forgive me of all my sins.
01:20:09.220 --> 01:20:12.220
Come into my heart.
01:20:12.230 --> 01:20:15.230
I receive the free gift
01:20:16.230 --> 01:20:19.230
that you gave on the cross.
01:20:19.230 --> 01:20:22.110
Save me, Jesus.
01:20:22.110 --> 01:20:24.280
Cast my sin as far as the East
01:20:25.110 --> 01:20:28.110
is to the West.
01:20:28.110 --> 01:20:30.140
Remember my sins no more.
01:20:30.140 --> 01:20:33.040
And my friends are gonna know
01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:35.080
it.
01:20:35.080 --> 01:20:36.280
My family's gonna know it.
01:20:36.280 --> 01:20:39.150
And the devil's gonna know it,
01:20:39.150 --> 01:20:42.010
that I belong to Jesus,
01:20:42.010 --> 01:20:44.160
in Jesus' name, amen."
01:20:44.230 --> 01:20:47.230
- Dwight: Amen and amen,
01:20:47.230 --> 01:20:48.210
amen.
01:20:48.210 --> 01:20:49.180
- Lawrence: Thank you, Jesus,
01:20:49.180 --> 01:20:50.140
praise God.
01:20:50.140 --> 01:20:51.120
Thank you, Jesus.
01:20:51.120 --> 01:20:54.120
- Dwight: I want you to tell
01:20:54.120 --> 01:20:55.230
Frank and Todd and Lawrence
01:20:57.190 --> 01:21:00.210
how much we thank God for their
01:21:00.210 --> 01:21:03.200
powerful ministries today.
01:21:03.200 --> 01:21:05.290
Give 'em a great big hand.
01:21:05.290 --> 01:21:07.110
I mean that.
01:21:07.110 --> 01:21:09.110
- male: Thank you for that.
01:21:10.100 --> 01:21:13.100
- Dwight: Now, they made it so
01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:14.170
simple, so powerful, so clear.
01:21:15.100 --> 01:21:18.100
Thank you for bringing
01:21:18.100 --> 01:21:20.080
this message to us tonight.
01:21:20.080 --> 01:21:22.270
We gotta get you back in here,
01:21:22.270 --> 01:21:24.180
that's all I can say.
01:21:24.180 --> 01:21:25.180
- Lawrence: We'll just stay.
01:21:25.180 --> 01:21:26.220
- Dwight: Oh, my, my, my.
01:21:26.220 --> 01:21:27.140
Tell Mike Purkey how much
01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:28.260
we love him.
01:21:28.260 --> 01:21:29.250
This was Paul Crouch's favorite
01:21:29.250 --> 01:21:31.090
song, "Sweet Beulah Land."
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Give him a big hand.
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Mike Purkey.
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- Mike: Hallelujah.
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Kind of homesick for a city
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to which I've never,
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I've never been before.
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No sad goodbyes will ever
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be spoken 'cause time, it's
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not gonna matter anymore.
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Now, I can see it.
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Yeah, I can.
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I see that city, standing
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high on a holy hill.
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And I must go now to my
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homeland where of its glory,
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glory, I'll take my fill.
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Here's where we're gonna go.
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Beulah Land, I'm longing
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on thee I'll stand.
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There my home
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shall be eternal.
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sweet Beulah Land.
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Hallelujah!
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Oh, now, now, I'm looking,
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looking for that river
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where my faith is
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gonna end in sight.
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Listen to me.
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But there's just a few more,
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a few more days to labor.
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Then I will take
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my heavenly flight.
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Beulah Land, I'm longing
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for you and someday
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on thee I'll stand.
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Then my home
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shall be eternal.
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Beulah Land,
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[audience applauding]
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Praise...
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Praise the Lord!
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