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Praise the Lord

October 14, 2016

1:26:51

Jay Sekulow and Erick Stakelbeck host David Brog, Jason Jimenez, Dr. Ralph Martino, Jon Medved and Christine D'Clario

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Praise the Lord

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- male announcer: From coast
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to coast, and around the world,
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it's time to praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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- Jon Medved: It's
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the fulfillment
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of biblical prophecy.
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I don't have to tell
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your viewers that there is
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a blessing which is
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emanating from our country.
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- Christine D'Clario: We just
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wanna be the key that opens
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the door for people to come
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into the quiet room of God
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and have an encounter.
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- Ralph Martino: That's what
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America has been doing.
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We have been drifting away
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from the moral compass.
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We drifted away from Christ
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and now it's costly.
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- David Brog: When you bring
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truth to the middle of the lies,
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it makes a difference.
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- Jason Jimenez: God can use
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you where you're at and
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that's the hope that we have.
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Praise the Lord
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let every nation rejoice!
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Praise the Lord
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with one mighty voice!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise the Lord!
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Praise...
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Praise the Lord!
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- Jay Sekulow: This is
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Jay Sekulow.
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Welcome to Washington, D.C.
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We've got an exciting
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program in store.
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We're gonna talk about issues
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that impact you, your family,
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our country, the church,
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overseas, what we're dealing
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with for Israel.
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I had the chance to sit down and
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talk with some people that are
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gonna minister to your heart
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and soul.
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They're gonna talk to you
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about hope.
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Hope found in Jesus Christ
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but also realizing that with
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the myriad of issues that
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the country is now facing,
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the important issues that we're
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facing, that we serve the King
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of kings and the Lord of lords.
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And we should never get
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overwhelmed with the events
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of the day.
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We should be praying for those
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in authority, praying for our
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neighbors, praying for peace.
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But ultimately, that peace comes
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through the Prince of Peace.
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So tonight is a Night of Hope.
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Join me and our team here
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in Washington, D.C.,
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- Jay: Well, joining me on
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the set in Washington, D.C.,
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is Jon Medved.
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Jon is a major entrepreneur
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in Israel.
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In fact, "The Washington Post"
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called him one of Israel's
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leading high-tech venture
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capitalists.
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He's the founder and CEO
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of OurCrowd.
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He's been part of the founding
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team in a lot of successful
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operations and businesses
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in Israel.
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We talked a lot and we've talked
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about on this program this whole
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Boycott, Divest, and Sanction
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movement that's going on where
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groups are trying to get people
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to not invest, to boycott
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Israeli products, to boycott
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And Jon, you've taken
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a very different approach.
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You've really engaged Israel.
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- Jon: Well, look, I wanna
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change the conversation
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from rather than talking about
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divestment and how do we boycott
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Israel, but how do we become
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proactive and go on
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the offensive?
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its friends take the offensive,
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we win.
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We're not going on the defense.
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Okay, we never have been.
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Our greatest victory
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is the Six-Day War,
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was when we were pre-emptive.
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Now, here we're talking about
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an area which is as strong
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an area for Israel
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and the Jewish people
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and its friends you've ever had.
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Money, business, okay?
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This is something
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we know how to do.
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Bring it on.
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And if we can talk to people
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about what's really happening
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in Israel in the technology
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and the startup,
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in the innovation area,
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how the entire world is beating
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a door down to come in
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and invest, one of the things
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which are most remarkable
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is that this year, most of
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the venture capital markets
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worldwide are contracting,
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are shrinking.
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Israel is the only market
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which is going up.
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We're already 39%
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up in the first half
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based on last year.
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But the last 2 years,
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we're up over 100%.
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We're now going to have over $6
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billion--$6 billion invested in
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Israel this year
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in high-tech startups.
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- Jay: So when people--because
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there's this sense when you talk
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about Israel, people are used to
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talking about security,
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the Israeli Defense Forces,
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conflict in the region.
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You're talking about businesses
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that are succeeding at
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big numbers and are changing
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technology for the entire world.
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- Jon: They're--look, it's
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the fulfillment of
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biblical prophecy.
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I don't have to tell your
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viewers that there is a blessing
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which is emanating from
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our country.
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And it's no surprise that
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not just American investors and
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American companies, whether it's
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Google and Facebook and Intel
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and Cisco and every single one,
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or it's the Chinese companies
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or the Indian companies or
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the Russian investors,
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they're all coming.
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Israeli companies are having
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huge impact in Africa
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and Latin America.
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We're solving problems for
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the world which are
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absolutely essential.
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- Jay: You know, one of
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the things I thought was
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interesting over the last couple
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of months was that the Israeli
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medical technology has been a--
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has always been significant but
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in the last couple of years it
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has been significant
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in ways that I don't think
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people can imagine.
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For instance, one of
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the harshest critics of Israel
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is the former president of
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the United States, Jimmy Carter.
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He became a very harsh critic
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of Israel.
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He was diagnosed with
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an advanced form of brain cancer
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that has been pretty much cured
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because of Israeli
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medical technology.
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- Jon: God bless him, you know?
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I mean, the bottom line is that
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there's a lot of that hypocrisy.
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Stephen Hawking, okay, who made
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some horrible statements.
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His voice is enabled by
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Israeli technology.
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You can't live today, a modern
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life, without touching and being
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benefited by Israeli technology.
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The reality--these BDS morons
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and, really, we have to call
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them morons, if they really
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wanna boycott Israel, they
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should shut down their TVs,
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turn off the Internet--
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- Jay: Don't go to your
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high-tech physician.
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- Jon: They should--yeah,
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absolutely.
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Don't take a medicine 'cause
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the largest generic drug
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manufacturer is Israeli, Teva.
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You know, God forbid,
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don't eat a tomato.
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Ninety-seven percent of
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the world's tomato seeds
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are coming from Israel.
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So forget it.
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Just stop eating tomatoes.
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Stop eating anything that was
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irrigated by drip irrigation.
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Don't involve yourself in space
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or next-generation
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satellite technologies.
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God forbid you should have
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collision avoidance in your car,
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okay, because 90% of the cars
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that are using advanced machine
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vision are coming from
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Israel's Mobileye.
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- Jay: I wanna talk about
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the BDS movement 'cause a lot
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of people are saying what are
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you talking about?
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So for our audience that's
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listening and watching right now
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let me tell you what it is.
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There's been a movement and it's
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really been the last 5 years.
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It's another form of lawfare.
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It's taking a system and to make
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a illegitimate argument which is
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what those in favor of BDS are
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trying to do and trying
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to legitimize it.
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So they do it by saying, "Well,
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Israel's like South Africa
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and it's apartheid and it's--"
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So you boycott, in other words,
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don't do business,
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don't allow Israeli academics
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to come on campuses.
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You divest, don't--and you're
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saying the opposite, of course,
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Jon, that you should be
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investing.
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But don't invest.
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And then sanction.
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They actually put forward
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sanctions.
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I call it lawfare.
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It's again, a twisted theory to
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try to delegitimize
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the Jewish state.
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- Jon: Well, it's an attempt
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to both delegitimize Israel and
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America because this story is
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ultimately about the partnership
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between America and Israel.
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All of these American companies
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who are buying up Israeli
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companies, who are investing,
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are getting access to this
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incredible technology.
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So when you see the newest and
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the greatest stuff coming out of
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Silicon Valley, guess what?
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A lot of it actually came from
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Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and Haifa
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because we're working
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as partners.
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And this partnership
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is changing the world.
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- Jay: Let's talk a little bit
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about the partnership between
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the United States and America, I
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mean, United States and Israel,
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because I think, as Americans,
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there's this history
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of partnership but that
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partnership's been stressed over
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the last few years, frankly.
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Besides the business side of it,
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let's talk about how important
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it is for that link to
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stay engaged.
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- Jon: Well, first of all,
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I'm not sure, I think there's
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certain people who--
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- Jay: Yeah, I know.
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I think it's fair, yeah.
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- Jon: And they are important
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people.
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- Jay: Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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right.
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- Jon: But for the vast
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majority of Americans,
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the polling numbers
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have never been better.
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The breadth of this partnership,
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the fact that we see in
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my offices at OurCrowd, we see
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delegation after delegation of
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people coming from cities, from
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states, who are saying, "Can
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you bring Israeli innovation
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into our neighborhood?
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We want the jobs."
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For example, there was a study
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just published recently
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on Boston.
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Now Boston on Route 128
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is a spectacular tech hub
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and innovation center.
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Would you believe there are
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over 200 Israeli companies
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now headquartered in Boston?
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They've generated
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over 25.000 jobs.
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They're generating something
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in excess of $12 billion
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of annual activity.
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It represents, I think,
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something close to 4%
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of Massachusetts GDP.
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So here you have something which
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I'm very proud of, which is
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Israel coming to America and
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creating jobs, economic growth,
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and this is about
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the partnership.
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It's not just America sending
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aid to Israel or America
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investing in Israel.
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It's Israel investing
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in America.
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And this kind of linking hands
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together across the sea is
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what's gonna change the world.
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- Jay: One of the interesting
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things, you've--you started
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doing some work with Christians
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United For Israel and I wanna
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talk about that.
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Why did you find that an
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important group to engage with?
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- Jon: Well, first of all,
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we're at OurCrowd active in
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what's called crowdfunding.
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We are allowing--
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- Jay: Explain to people what
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that is.
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I mean, people who don't know
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what crowdfunding is.
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- Jon: Until now, if you wanted
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to invest in the next Facebook
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or the next Google, forget it,
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right?
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Unless you know somebody, unless
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you're an, you know, mega
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billionaire, you're not getting
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a shot at this.
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Now, the US government, through
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the SEC, has allowed now this
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to start being opened up
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to a broader group of people.
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We've opened it up to people who
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are called accredited investors.
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These are people who have some
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significant net worth and income
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but there's 10 million
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households like this in America.
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About 98% of them have never
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invested in a startup.
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So we're now putting the best of
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Israel's startups on the Web at
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ourcrowd.com and allowing people
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to invest.
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We're now at almost $300 million
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of investment coming in through
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the--which is real money.
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And we're involving thousands
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and thousands of people.
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We have almost 14.000 investors
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from 110 countries.
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And what's beautiful about this,
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not just America, it's not.
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We're getting investment
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from China.
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We're getting investment
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from Latin America.
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It's the whole world seeing
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in Israel this fulfillment
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of prophecy because this
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blessing which is emanating
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from Israel is now affecting
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the entire globe.
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- Jay: I was gonna ask you
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about that because I think that,
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when you look at the--we talk
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about in the business framework,
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but just talking about
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just partnership.
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That kind of partnership,
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the economic engine,
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if you will, of an economy,
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or the ability to engage
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in a growing and burgeoning
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economy that you have in Israel,
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that also strengthens
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ties down the road.
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- Jon: It's huge.
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I mean, I was on the phone on
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Friday with our partners at
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ReWalk who are a company who
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allow paraplegics to get up out
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of their wheelchair and walk.
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This company,
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we were investors in.
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We took it public.
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Our investors made money.
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But it's not just
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about the money.
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This company is changing the
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lives of scores of people
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who had the worst
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tragedy possible.
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They've lost their ability
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to walk.
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And now, all of a sudden through
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Israeli technology,
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it's literally, it's a miracle.
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They're getting up and
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they're living life again.
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And when you see wounded
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warriors coming back from
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Afghanistan or Iraq, when you
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see policemen, when you see
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your average everyday person,
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getting up and walking.
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And why?
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Because of Israeli technology
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and, believe me, they know
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exactly what they're doing.
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There'll be one on stage here
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at CUFI tomorrow which I think
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will be a major moment.
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- Jay: Yeah, so let's talk
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a little bit about that because
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I think that, as I said,
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you--people watch the media.
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They listen to media.
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They're not getting this story
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as much as they should.
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This partnership, this concept
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of engaging the business
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community as part of biblical
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prophecy, but also as part of a
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fulfillment of something that
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dates back since really the
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foundation of the state of
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Israel.
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- Jon: It's the promise of both
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of our countries.
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What makes America great among
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other things such as belief in
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God and in terms of freedom
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and the civil rights,
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what makes America great is
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entrepreneurship, is the ability
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to go get stuff done, to change
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the world, to create
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new businesses.
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It's that engine of capitalism.
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Let's not forget how critical
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it is.
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And the Jewish people have
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always been entrepreneurs.
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Father Abraham was
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an entrepreneur, okay?
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We don't have anything holy
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about poverty in our tradition,
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okay?
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We believe that you are partners
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with God in helping finish
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the work that make--that
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creation goes on every day.
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And so the fact that American
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entrepreneurs and American
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investors are linking up with
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Israeli entrepreneurs and
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Israeli investors and we're
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using the worldwide web to do
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it, it doesn't get better than
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that.
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- Jay: So I was--I did an--I
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spoke at a UN event that
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the Israeli Ambassador to
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the United Nations put on,
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on the BDS issue, and it
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was very interesting because
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Benjamin Netanyahu gave a video
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presentation shortly--
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right before I spoke.
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And he made the statement that
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they keep pushing the BDS,
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the Boycott, Divestment,
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Sanction,
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but the reality is the Israeli
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economy has never been stronger
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and the rest of the
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world knows this.
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- Jon: Absolutely!
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- Jay: And they're investing.
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- Jon: And these investment
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dollars keep on flowing in,
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in massive numbers.
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We're up over 100% in just
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2 years.
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Doesn't get better than that.
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- Jay: Yeah, so is
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the environment--do you utilize
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the capital that's coming in
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for these new startups,
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also as a bridge-builder?
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- Jon: Absolutely.
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So I'll give you another example
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of a company who'll be on stage
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tomorrow at CUFI.
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A company called CropX.
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This is an Israeli company
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who figured out a way for
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the average farmer who irrigates
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his field to save 30% to 40%
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of his water.
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He doesn't have to lay drip
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irrigation, which we like
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because that's another
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Israeli innovation.
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But he can use the genius of his
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smartphone coupled with very
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simple sensors which he puts in
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the ground and all of a sudden
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he's got control.
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You know what 30% or 40% of
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the water usage means in
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California's Central Valley or
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in Texas or in other parts of
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America that are suffering from
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drought?
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And so when you see farmers here
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saying, "Thank you, Israel,"
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okay?
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"You're giving us back the
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American family farm.
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We can now make a living.
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We can get over this drought
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with Israeli technology."
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It doesn't get better than that.
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- Jay: No, so this is, again,
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folks, this is--this goes to
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the partnership of our people,
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our country, and it shows
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a bridge that is not very--
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it's not very long.
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It's an easy bridge.
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It's miles and miles away but
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the partnership between Israel
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and American investors
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and American entrepreneurs
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and enterprise is the same
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motivation that you have
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in Israel.
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I mean, we are one of the two
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countries, actually, that have
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that entrepreneurial spirit.
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Most don't.
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- Jon: No, no.
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Today, there are two totally
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leading sites for innovation
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and that is America
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and that is Israel.
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Silicon Valley and Silicon Wadi.
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And we are just both growing
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and it's just--it's a blessing.
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- Jay: So you think--but
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let's talk about the prophecy
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end of it.
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You think this is part of
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biblical prophecy.
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- Jon: Absolutely.
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Well, look, we, you know, you
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can read Genesis and you'll
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learn that the world will
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be blessed through
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the seed of Abraham.
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- Jay: Right, bless those that
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bless them, right.
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- Jon: And if you believe that
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Israel is the Jewish state
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then if we weren't excellent
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at business and excellent
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at technology, that would be
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the strange thing.
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This shouldn't make any
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believing person say,
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"Ho, this is wild."
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This is what we know to be true.
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And it's sitting there
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in front of everybody's face.
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And by the way, there are lots
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of non-believers who are engaged
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in this business.
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This is not some kind of
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Jewish or evangelical
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Christian-only activity.
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We have endless, endless
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Chinese and Koreans
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and Japanese and Indians--
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- Jay: That are making
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investments.
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- Jon: Who are making
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the investments because they
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see Israel and they see what
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Israel does with America
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as representing
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the best of humanity.
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This is good for the world.
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- Jay: Do you sense right now,
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talk about the region for
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a moment.
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So the region has gone through
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a lot in the last 5 years.
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You've had the Arab Spring.
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Some of it did not turn out
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exactly as planned.
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But you've got unique
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partnerships forming now with
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Israel in the region, that you
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never had before.
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The Jordanians, always had
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a decent relationship the last
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15 years but not like now.
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I mean, much stronger now.
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Egypt.
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Even Saudi Arabia's--
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- Jon: Absolutely.
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- Jay: How is that
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affecting things?
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- Jon: Well, I mean, people
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don't like to talk about it
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because this is stuff that's
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best done under the table.
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But the trade and the investment
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and the cooperation has never
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been stronger.
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- Jay: And that also helps
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build a bridge with those
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people.
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- Jon: Huge.
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And ultimately, this is
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When people realize that by
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working together, by talking to
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each other, by helping save
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lives, that we are sanctifying
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God's name, that we are--and no
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matter what--how you call God,
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okay, because ultimately you've
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gotta believe that people
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are good, okay?
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That hopefully the majority of
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people in this world want
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to live their lives, to work,
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to make money, to be healthy,
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and to help others.
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And the fact that Israel is
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doing this and has done it
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continually despite all these
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attempts to boycott us, to
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kill us, to wipe us out,
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and all they do is they fail.
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They continue to strengthen us
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and, with God's help, this
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will continue on.
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- Jay: You know,
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it's interesting.
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A couple of years back when
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Shimon Peres was the president
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of Israel, I was at his house
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and we were talking and he
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brought out this map.
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And it was--he brings out this
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map and we're trying--we're in
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casual clothes, we're just kind
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of talking.
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And he goes, "You know, Jay,
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at the end of the day,
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it's about water."
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I said, "What do you mean,
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it's about water?"
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He said, "We're working on
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technology for water because,"
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and this is the exact words he
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used, "Palestinians that may not
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like us are dehydrated."
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And this is a Shimon Peres
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quote.
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"They're dehydrated.
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And maybe if they weren't
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thirsty, they won't hate us."
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And it sounded simple but it was
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actually very profound.
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Those kind of quality-of-life
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moves make a big difference
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on how people get along.
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- Jon: They make a huge
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difference.
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And Israel's water technology is
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second to none in the world.
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Our cyber security technology
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is second to none.
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Our machine learning and machine
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vision, our robotics,
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And by the way, if your viewers
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would like to see some of these
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companies, just go to
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www.ourcrowd.com, you'll see we
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now have 100 different companies
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where your viewers and people
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like them have invested and can
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invest and we intend to get
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to thousands of companies.
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We intend to continue building
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this bridge between Israel
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and America,
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and Israel and the world.
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- Jay: Well, it's a great
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bridge-building technique and
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I'm thrilled you're doing it,
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Jon.
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Thanks for being on.
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- Jon: My pleasure.
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Thank you.
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- Jay: Appreciate it.
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Thank you, Jon.
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Thank you, Jon.
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- Jay: Well, joining me here
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in Washington, D.C.,
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is Dr. Ralph Martino.
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He is the senior pastor of First
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Church of Christ Holiness right
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here in our nation's capital, in
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Washington, D.C. And Pastor,
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thanks for being with us.
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I really appreciate it.
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It's good seeing you again after
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all these years.
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- Ralph: Likewise, sir.
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It's good to be here.
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- Jay: There is a lot going on.
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We're talking about we're in our
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nation's capital but if I look
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at the cities around the world,
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you minister in Washington, but,
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of course, you minister around
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the world.
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But let's talk about the--what's
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going on right now in our cities
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with tragedy after tragedy.
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Every day, we're waking up
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to a new tragedy.
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Sometimes it's Nice, France.
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Sometimes it's Baton Rouge.
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Sometimes it's Dallas.
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But it's impacting our nations,
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it's impacting our culture.
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What are you sensing right now?
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- Ralph: Well, we're sensing
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Evil is shifting its way.
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Matter of fact, it's
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intensifying its effort
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to track down anyone that is
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That is, if they kinda one foot
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in the world, one foot in
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the church.
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They're bringing them down and
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then they're attacking those
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that are unsaved, using them as
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instruments, again to cause
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those that are saved to question
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the reality, the presence,
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and the protection of God.
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- Jay: You know, and one of
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the things I know but
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I mentioned this before going on
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the air, I look at the situation
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with ISIS impacting.
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Of course, this horrible tragedy
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just in Nice, France.
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It happened in Istanbul,
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it happened in Brussels.
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I mean, we can make the list,
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San Bernardino, Orlando.
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Then you had the shootings
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in Dallas.
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And you had the shootings
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in the inner city.
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And you look at all of this
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and you realize very quickly
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that while we're in probably
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the most politically important
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city in the world right now,
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looking at the national's
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Capitol, the politicians
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aren't in charge of all this.
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- Ralph: No, they're not.
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Matter of fact,
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they don't know what to do.
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Every great biblical leader
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had someone called a prophet
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or a seer.
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That individual helped them
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to see beyond the decision.
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In other words, whatever
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decision--the decision
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being a seed.
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There's fruit inside that seed.
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See, with the prophet,
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the prophet was able to help
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the leader see the fruit of
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their decision, the consequences
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associated with it.
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That's what's missing.
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- Jay: You know, you talk about
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the consequences missing.
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We look at it, decision making
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is--look, the leadership
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is decision making.
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You have to make decisions.
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I always--I look at it a
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four-part analysis.
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What's the best thing could
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happen if I do this?
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What's the worst thing that
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could happen if I do this?
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What's the best thing that
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happens if I don't do it?
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What's the worst thing could
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happen if I don't do it?
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And that, it's something I
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actually learned from
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Dr. Ben Carson, an
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approach that he does as well.
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We take a look at what--
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the conflict that's going on
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right now, globally but here.
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Let's talk about it from
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the spiritual context
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for a moment.
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This history that we're seeing
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right now and I call it history
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because in a very real sense,
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Pastor, this is nothing new.
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- Ralph: It's not.
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Matter of fact--
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- Jay: It's as old as
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the Scripture.
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- Ralph: Listen, Paul told
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Timothy, he's led by the Lord
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in 2 Timothy chapter 3.
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He said in the last days
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perilous times, dangerous times,
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are going to come.
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Then he listed what was going to
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happen.
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So once again, all we're seeing
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is a remaking of what Paul was
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led to share back then.
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It's the same old thing.
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- Jay: Do you set--you served
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in the military.
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You were here in Washington,
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D.C., military.
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Our military's under attack
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around the world.
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The cities are aflame right now.
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We've got--the anxiety level
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within our culture is probably
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the highest it's been.
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What do you see as the role of
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the believing community
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right now?
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I mean, at this particular
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juncture in world history.
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- Ralph: That's
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a great question.
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Intercession.
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We must intercede.
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Intercession has
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a twofold approach.
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You go before God,
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you stand between mankind.
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The problem within the church is
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that the church has not been
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going before God.
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We've been standing between God
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and mankind but you must go
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before God to make sure that
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this is a group of individuals
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that God has, again, isolated
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for you to pray for,
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specified for you to pray for,
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because again, that becomes
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critical to the believer.
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We must know who to pray for and
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we must be willing to go to war
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in prayer.
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That's what intercession
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is all about.
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It's about warring on our knees
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on behalf of those that,
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once again, are less fortunate
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than we are in terms of
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their connection to God.
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We stay connected to God,
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we intercede on their behalf.
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We get results, they get saved,
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then he can Rapture us up out of
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here and we're gone.
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- Jay: Let me ask you this.
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As you look at--you talk about
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leadership.
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You deal with it.
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As a leader, you deal with this.
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When we're--we're in a political
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season and we're in a political
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capital.
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We're about to elect a president
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of the United States.
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When you look at leadership.
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I don't wanna talk
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about candidates.
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I wanna talk about leadership.
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What do you see as
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the quintessential--what is
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the thing you look for
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in leaders?
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- Ralph: Character.
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Character speaking of integrity.
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In other words, if you say
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something do you do what you say
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or are you just saying something
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and you're doing something that
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contradicts what you said?
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Because once again, you're
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asking, as a leader,
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for someone to follow you.
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If you're asking me to follow
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you, then, again, you're--
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the ABCs are crystal clear.
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You've gotta be all about your
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business because, once again,
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I'm going to look at--I'm gonna
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listen to what you said,
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but I'm gonna see what you do.
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And based upon that in and of
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itself, that's gonna determine
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whether or not in our book
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you're a true leader.
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- Jay: So when you're looking
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it from a--you look at
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the biblical examples of leaders
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and they were not perfect by
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any stretch of the imagination.
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God uses mankind.
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When you're looking for their
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character, when you're looking
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for humility in leadership,
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when you're looking for decision
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making in leadership, you
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look at the complex nature of
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the world we're in right now.
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This is a very complex time.
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It's--you need to think
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nine-dimensionally.
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Now you can't even think
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three-dimensionally anymore.
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So nine-dimensional thinking or
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you gotta be thinking four moves
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down, so to speak.
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As a church leader, as a pastor,
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as someone that's a life coach
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and talk to people about coming
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to their potential, what do you
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see as the most important--
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we take the character
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as almost a given.
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You've got--to lead you have
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to have character.
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But let's talk about decision
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making right now.
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A president
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has to make decisions.
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And you mentioned the fact
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that the kings of the Bible
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had prophets.
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That seems to be absent today.
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- Ralph: Yes, well, and
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unfortunately, it's because
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we're more into photo ops.
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That's the reality of that
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scenario.
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But, see, that does not
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drive us.
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A true leader, again, becomes
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also a servant at the same time.
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For servant leadership
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is what we believe in.
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For instance, our president
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needs someone that would be able
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to speak to him and say,
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"President, if you make this
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decision, here are
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the repercussions
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of that decision."
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And so therefore, but as
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a leader, once I am aware
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of something, I must own it.
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I must take responsibility.
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We spent time over the last
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couple of years driving
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home accountability.
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Accountability is going to be
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the key to great leadership.
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And without it, once again, you
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will fall short and the people
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will fall short.
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What we are learning here in
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this country, we are looking
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for leadership.
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When we find a strong leader,
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we will follow them.
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But that's the reality.
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We're lacking that.
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- Jay: If you were advising and
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you have advised leaders before
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around the world, what would be
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the advice today to the--whoever
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the president may end up being
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in the United States of America,
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what would you tell 'em?
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- Ralph: Begin your day
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with prayer.
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In other words, do like our Lord
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and Savior Jesus Christ did.
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Every day he began with prayer.
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In other words, he sought
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God's guidance for the day.
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After he would pray, he knew
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exactly what steps he was
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supposed to take for that day.
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Decision making became easy.
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Listen, we're supposed to have
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what we call Sanballats,
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Tobiahs, and Geshems.
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Those are individuals that
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always war or try to frustrate
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your purpose.
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They're supposed to be there.
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But what they end up doing is
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helping you become a stronger
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person of true character.
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And so we would share with them.
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Make sure that you begin
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your day in prayer.
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Make sure that you check in
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around you and have around you
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those seers, those prophets that
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we were sharing with you about
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that have spent time with God
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and could potentially tell you
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here's what the Lord is saying.
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This is the direction
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in which you're going.
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Here is our moral compass
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for the day.
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This is our target area.
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Let's focus on this because you
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would be amazed and when we
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start in one area, that one area
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of impact could impact every
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other area.
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- Jay: Let's talk about
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the moral compass.
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You mentioned the moral compass.
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There is this sense among many
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people right now that the
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moral compass magnet is broken.
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That we're not pointing in
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the right directions or we're
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pointed in a direction and
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evil's good and good is evil.
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But I'm not even gonna talk
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about on the socialist.
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I'm talking about just
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generally.
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There's a sense that we are--I'm
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getting this frustration feeling
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when I'm talking to people that
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people are frustrated and feel
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like we're rudderless.
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And that's, I think, our jobs
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as--to come in and provide
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the path.
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I mean, we have a GPS system
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on your car.
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You've got a GPS system in--
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when you're traveling.
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The fact of the matter is that
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the GPS, as important as it is,
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.010
you gotta know who's providing
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the information.
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We know it's coming from
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a satellite but you gotta know
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where the information's
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coming from.
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- Ralph: Absolutely.
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And that's powerful because
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the reality is that moral
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compass that we referenced,
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if it's not grounded in Jesus,
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then it will always go astray.
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It's amazing how when you're
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actually out there on a boat, if
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you're off an nth of a degree,
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man, you will never reach
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your target.
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Because, again,
00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:47.190
you will begin to drift.
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That's what America has
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been doing.
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We have been drifting away
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from the moral compass.
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We drifted away from Christ
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and now it's costly.
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- Jay: Yeah, let me talk about
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the drift.
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So people will say, "Well,
00:27:57.090 --> 00:27:58.130
this happened in the '60s and
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I remember the good ol' days."
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But you know the truth of
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the matter is?
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The good ol' days weren't
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so great.
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Our country, as our founding
00:28:03.250 --> 00:28:06.150
documents say, is to form
00:28:06.150 --> 00:28:08.130
a more perfect union.
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It's not a perfect union,
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but a more perfect union.
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And the reality that, as
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a people, we could still do
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better.
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We can still reach--I look
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at the strife that's going on
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right now.
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We talked about this earlier,
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.170
the shootings going on in
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the cities, the police
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.080
and the individuals
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that have been shot, the victims
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sometimes of the police,
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and the police also feel
00:28:28.170 --> 00:28:29.250
like that they're the victims.
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I mean, this is a horrible
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situation.
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You're ministering in a major
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city, in Washington, D.C.
00:28:34.060 --> 00:28:36.090
What do you tell your people
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on Sunday?
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- Ralph: We share with them to
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be encouraged.
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Because, again, the reality is
00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:41.190
the 66 books in this Bible
00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.140
will give us the solution that
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will keep us going.
00:28:46.070 --> 00:28:47.160
This is expected.
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The Lord Jesus said in
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John 16:33, "In this world
00:28:49.290 --> 00:28:51.220
you shall have tribulation."
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This is not anything we don't
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.240
expect.
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.200
We expect this.
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.170
But he said to be of good cheer.
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He said because you have
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overcome the world.
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So we've already overcome so we
00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:02.180
begin from a point called
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victory.
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We believe in victory.
00:29:04.130 --> 00:29:05.250
We have that hope.
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We have faith in God.
00:29:07.050 --> 00:29:08.080
We know that God is in absolute
00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:09.240
total control, even though it
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.130
looks like chaos and confusion.
00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:12.280
We know who the author
00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:14.040
is behind it.
00:29:14.040 --> 00:29:15.080
But we begin ministry through
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teaching.
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- Jay: Let's talk about the
00:29:17.270 --> 00:29:18.170
confusion and chaos.
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The enemy works with confusion
00:29:20.020 --> 00:29:21.180
and chaos.
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:22.120
And that's what's--the tactic is
00:29:22.120 --> 00:29:23.090
nothing new.
00:29:23.090 --> 00:29:24.050
It's as old as the Bible itself.
00:29:24.050 --> 00:29:25.030
But there is a conflicting
00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:26.220
message going on right now
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:27.260
around the United States, around
00:29:27.260 --> 00:29:29.020
the world.
00:29:29.020 --> 00:29:29.250
And this conflicting message is
00:29:29.250 --> 00:29:30.270
that, you know, your way is
00:29:30.270 --> 00:29:33.010
maybe good for you but not great
00:29:33.010 --> 00:29:34.190
for me and everybody, you know,
00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:35.290
the multiple ways to the top of
00:29:35.290 --> 00:29:37.190
the mountain.
00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:38.110
And I'm not--I won't even
00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.050
necessarily get deep into
00:29:39.050 --> 00:29:41.060
the theological impact of this.
00:29:41.060 --> 00:29:42.270
But for the church community to
00:29:42.270 --> 00:29:45.140
take that position, is scary.
00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:48.000
- Ralph: That's disappointing
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.010
because we're in the Book of
00:29:49.010 --> 00:29:50.020
Judges all over again.
00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:51.110
Every man doing that which is
00:29:51.110 --> 00:29:52.220
right in their own eyes.
00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.000
Again, and many individuals
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.200
have gotten away from reading
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.220
the Word of God.
00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:57.200
The Word of God is a lamp unto
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.030
our feet, a light unto
00:29:59.030 --> 00:29:59.240
our pathway.
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.190
It is what helps to guide us and
00:30:00.190 --> 00:30:02.090
you can tell when individuals
00:30:02.090 --> 00:30:03.180
start taking their hands off
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.000
the plow, you look.
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.040
The economy takes one finger
00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:07.270
off the plow.
00:30:07.270 --> 00:30:08.260
And then all of a sudden,
00:30:08.260 --> 00:30:10.020
the politics takes another
00:30:10.020 --> 00:30:11.000
finger off.
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And before you know it,
00:30:11.230 --> 00:30:12.180
one hand's off the plow,
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:13.120
then both hands off the plow.
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And then we're repeating.
00:30:14.110 --> 00:30:15.080
We sound more like the world
00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.170
than like the church.
00:30:16.170 --> 00:30:17.220
That is the conflicting interest
00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.140
that exists now between leaders
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:21.050
in the church.
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There is an ongoing problem,
00:30:22.110 --> 00:30:23.230
an ongoing struggle.
00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:25.040
Because many have forgotten
00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:26.150
who they serve.
00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:27.200
Many have forgotten
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:28.180
who they worship.
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That's our problem.
00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:30.140
- Jay: When you look at the--we
00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:31.150
talked about leadership a little
00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:32.290
bit earlier but here we are, I
00:30:32.290 --> 00:30:34.010
mean, we're staring at the
00:30:34.010 --> 00:30:34.280
nation's Capitol right behind
00:30:34.280 --> 00:30:35.280
us.
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- Ralph: Yes, sir.
00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.090
- Jay: It's an awe-inspiring
00:30:37.090 --> 00:30:38.000
sight.
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:38.230
But the fact of the matter is,
00:30:38.230 --> 00:30:40.240
as important as politics is,
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.010
and I'm engaged in it.
00:30:42.010 --> 00:30:43.150
I'm engaged in the legal side
00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:44.130
of it.
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It doesn't raise people
00:30:45.050 --> 00:30:46.070
from the dead.
00:30:46.070 --> 00:30:46.290
And as you minister here in
00:30:46.290 --> 00:30:49.270
Washington, D.C., what is--you
00:30:49.270 --> 00:30:52.070
talked about hope.
00:30:52.070 --> 00:30:53.100
What is the message that you
00:30:53.100 --> 00:30:54.090
want the nation to hear?
00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:56.000
And I want you to look, Pastor,
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.030
into that camera and talk to all
00:30:57.030 --> 00:30:58.130
the people around the world
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'cause we got people that are
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watching this from all over
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:01.240
the world that want that same
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.200
hope.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.230
They want that same sense of
00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:05.150
fulfillment but they wanna know
00:31:05.150 --> 00:31:06.140
that there is the hedge of
00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:08.050
protection.
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They wanna know that there is
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:09.180
hope, that there is an answer to
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:11.020
what is, in all appearances,
00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.000
and problem, that they may be
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.250
dealing with or the country may
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be dealing with.
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Pastor.
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- Ralph: Absolutely.
00:31:19.050 --> 00:31:19.250
Well, one thing we would share
00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:20.250
with you, make sure that you
00:31:20.250 --> 00:31:21.280
have faith in God.
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God is still the answer.
00:31:23.120 --> 00:31:25.200
No matter what other people may
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God is the answer.
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You must pick up your Bible and
00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:32.030
read the Word of God every day.
00:31:32.030 --> 00:31:33.180
That Word will feed what is
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.020
known as your inner man.
00:31:35.020 --> 00:31:36.050
It will give you strength to
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stand in these evil days.
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The--listen, please
00:31:39.050 --> 00:31:40.220
understand this.
00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:41.200
The worst of days have
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yet to come.
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So therefore,
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you're going to need help.
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Your help comes from the Lord,
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Psalm 121.
00:31:47.060 --> 00:31:48.250
Psalm 91 will help us
00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:50.160
to understand that we can have
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.090
faith in a God that is Almighty,
00:31:52.090 --> 00:31:54.130
a God that is all-powerful, a
00:31:54.130 --> 00:31:56.010
God that is all anoint.
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He cares for you.
00:31:57.110 --> 00:31:58.270
He loves you.
00:31:58.270 --> 00:31:59.290
We, the church of Jesus Christ,
00:31:59.290 --> 00:32:01.200
we love you.
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And we're going to do everything
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.280
we can as a ministry to
00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:05.180
intercede on your behalf so that
00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:07.070
you, my sisters and my brothers,
00:32:07.070 --> 00:32:09.020
can find the hope and the faith
00:32:09.020 --> 00:32:11.000
that we preach and we teach
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.120
about, that we live every day.
00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:14.070
Because there's power
00:32:14.070 --> 00:32:15.070
in living the Word of God.
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Have faith in God.
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- Jay: You just gave a message
00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:19.230
of hope.
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You gave a message of
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commitment.
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I look right now and say
00:32:22.090 --> 00:32:24.040
that that message needs to
00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:26.190
be resounded from the hilltop
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to hilltop.
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That we need to sense that hope,
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.130
that people need to sense that
00:32:30.130 --> 00:32:31.200
hope and I'm hoping that our
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.220
audience and really believing
00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:34.040
that our audience that's
00:32:34.040 --> 00:32:35.010
watching this broadcast right
00:32:35.010 --> 00:32:36.030
now understand that even in
00:32:36.030 --> 00:32:37.240
the nation's capital we realize
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.030
who the King is.
00:32:40.030 --> 00:32:41.100
Elections come and go.
00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:43.250
Presidents come and go.
00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:45.160
God is never changing and has
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.210
been there since the beginning.
00:32:47.210 --> 00:32:49.090
And will be there 'til
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the very end of earth.
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.220
And the reality is that is
00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:53.130
the King upon we serve.
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Pastor?
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- Ralph: Yes, sir?
00:32:54.290 --> 00:32:55.150
- Jay: Thank you so much
00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:56.040
for being with us.
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- Ralph: Thank you.
00:32:56.190 --> 00:32:57.050
Thank you for having me.
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God bless you.
00:32:57.230 --> 00:32:58.060
God bless you.
00:32:58.060 --> 00:33:01.150
- Erick Stakelbeck: Well, she's
00:33:07.010 --> 00:33:10.010
been called the future of Latin
00:33:10.010 --> 00:33:11.170
Christian contemporary music,
00:33:11.170 --> 00:33:13.230
D'Clario is with us today, fresh
00:33:17.100 --> 00:33:18.160
off a world tour, by the way.
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.250
Washington, D.C., and fresh off
00:33:21.270 --> 00:33:23.010
Together 2016.
00:33:23.010 --> 00:33:24.190
Christine, first of all,
00:33:24.190 --> 00:33:25.210
great to have you with us.
00:33:25.210 --> 00:33:26.180
- Christine: Thank you.
00:33:26.180 --> 00:33:28.130
- Erick: And we know you're
00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:29.030
heading home.
00:33:29.030 --> 00:33:29.190
Soon you get to sleep in your
00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:30.140
own bed for a night at least
00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:31.110
before you head back out
00:33:31.110 --> 00:33:32.050
internationally.
00:33:32.050 --> 00:33:33.040
With a new album out as well.
00:33:33.040 --> 00:33:34.160
Tell us, first of all,
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.060
about Together 2016.
00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:37.150
This was an amazing event.
00:33:37.150 --> 00:33:39.030
Hundreds of thousands of people
00:33:39.030 --> 00:33:41.000
here in Washington, D.C.,
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:41.290
of all places.
00:33:41.290 --> 00:33:43.090
Tell us what you saw there.
00:33:43.090 --> 00:33:44.190
When we were talking before
00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:45.240
the interview, you talked about
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.240
Tell us a little bit about what
00:33:49.040 --> 00:33:50.020
you saw there.
00:33:50.020 --> 00:33:50.260
- Christine: Well, the Bible
00:33:50.260 --> 00:33:51.230
says that blessed is the nation
00:33:51.230 --> 00:33:52.280
whom the Lord is their God.
00:33:52.280 --> 00:33:54.230
And we were able to see that
00:33:54.230 --> 00:33:56.250
at Together 2016.
00:33:56.250 --> 00:33:58.240
Because we were able to see that
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.070
seeing on the news, despite
00:34:01.220 --> 00:34:02.250
the wave of violence that
00:34:02.250 --> 00:34:05.040
I think has been
00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:06.030
one of the strongest
00:34:06.030 --> 00:34:06.220
that we've seen in generations,
00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:08.020
we still are alive, we're awake,
00:34:08.020 --> 00:34:10.220
we're receiving and we're
00:34:10.220 --> 00:34:12.020
responding to the Spirit.
00:34:12.020 --> 00:34:13.150
And the remnant is alive.
00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:15.080
That remnant that prays
00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:16.270
every day, that asks God for
00:34:16.270 --> 00:34:18.160
a powerful move in this country,
00:34:18.160 --> 00:34:19.170
most of them got together
00:34:19.170 --> 00:34:21.080
at the National Mall.
00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:22.230
And it was amazing just to be on
00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.160
a platform and to see people
00:34:24.160 --> 00:34:26.280
with their hands lifted up,
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.010
crying out, standing in the gap
00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:29.190
for our nation.
00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:30.160
And I think we're honored that
00:34:30.160 --> 00:34:31.240
there's still people who pray in
00:34:31.240 --> 00:34:32.210
our nation.
00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:33.200
- Erick: Yeah, and in these
00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:34.150
times, Christine, you know
00:34:34.150 --> 00:34:35.110
the country is divided,
00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:36.240
unfortunately, in many ways.
00:34:36.240 --> 00:34:37.290
The world is on fire, terrorism,
00:34:37.290 --> 00:34:39.150
everything else.
00:34:39.150 --> 00:34:40.250
And to come here to, in what is
00:34:40.250 --> 00:34:42.260
really still the most powerful
00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:44.170
city in the world, Washington,
00:34:44.170 --> 00:34:46.210
D.C., was an amazing thing.
00:34:46.210 --> 00:34:48.160
And I think your message, praise
00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:50.150
and worship, is such a great
00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:52.210
thing in these times as well.
00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.180
Talk a little bit about the
00:34:54.180 --> 00:34:55.170
message you were bringing
00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:56.280
to Together 2016
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.110
through your music.
00:34:58.110 --> 00:34:59.230
- Christine: Well, I had the
00:34:59.230 --> 00:35:00.160
pleasure of singing praises
00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:02.160
but not just singing pretty
00:35:02.160 --> 00:35:04.030
music that talked about Jesus
00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:05.150
but ushering the people
00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:07.060
into having, I think,
00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:08.110
a new encounter with God.
00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:09.050
Not just, like, a mere
00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:10.140
experience that, "Oh, that
00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:11.270
was nice," and you would forget
00:35:11.270 --> 00:35:12.280
the next day.
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.010
But an encounter that would
00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:15.070
mark a before and an after
00:35:15.070 --> 00:35:16.270
in the life of a believer.
00:35:16.270 --> 00:35:18.110
That moment that you could say,
00:35:18.110 --> 00:35:19.260
"I remember when I was at
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.080
Together 2016 that all those
00:35:21.080 --> 00:35:23.180
people, they got up and they put
00:35:23.180 --> 00:35:25.120
their names aside and they put
00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:27.050
their titles and positions
00:35:27.050 --> 00:35:28.090
aside, and they focused
00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:29.110
on Jesus.
00:35:29.110 --> 00:35:30.040
That changed my life forever.
00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:31.230
That's what we were doing at
00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:32.130
Together 2016 and I had
00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:33.210
the pleasure to join with
00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:34.180
Sammy Rodriguez Jr. who's
00:35:34.180 --> 00:35:36.100
a dear friend of mine.
00:35:36.100 --> 00:35:37.100
And him bringing the Word and
00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:39.130
me being able to pray over
00:35:39.130 --> 00:35:41.010
the nation and worship us
00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:43.010
through what we're going
00:35:43.010 --> 00:35:44.060
through, it was just
00:35:44.060 --> 00:35:45.040
an amazing experience.
00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:46.010
- Erick: Yeah, and you have
00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:47.060
such a huge social media
00:35:47.060 --> 00:35:48.230
following, Christine, and before
00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:50.190
our interview I was checking out
00:35:50.190 --> 00:35:51.240
some of your YouTube clips.
00:35:51.240 --> 00:35:53.010
I think a Christine D'Clario
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:55.000
concert,
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.190
it's not just a concert.
00:35:56.190 --> 00:35:57.250
I'd say it's an experience.
00:35:57.250 --> 00:35:58.290
- Christine: It really is.
00:35:58.290 --> 00:35:59.200
It really is.
00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:00.150
And we pray and we fast
00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:01.240
constantly that wherever we
00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:04.050
present ourselves, it's just--we
00:36:04.190 --> 00:36:07.190
just wanna be the key that opens
00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:10.040
the door for people to come into
00:36:10.040 --> 00:36:11.170
the quiet room of God
00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:13.120
and have an encounter.
00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:14.200
We just basically set the table
00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:16.220
and we, so to speak,
00:36:16.220 --> 00:36:18.220
set a birthing room.
00:36:18.220 --> 00:36:19.260
We--we're just, you know,
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:21.270
the obstetricians of the Lord
00:36:21.270 --> 00:36:23.050
where we just prepare a sterile
00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:25.030
room, so to speak, in the Spirit
00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:26.140
so that miracles can be birthed,
00:36:26.140 --> 00:36:28.140
so that encounters
00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:29.220
can be birthed, so that
00:36:29.220 --> 00:36:30.280
provision can be birthed.
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.030
So that things in
00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:33.110
the supernatural can happen and
00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:34.200
come forth in the physical.
00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:36.090
And that's what we do when
00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:37.110
we worship.
00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:38.000
We just reach out to the God
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.110
we're thankful for and we cry
00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:41.000
out to him and the wonderful
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:42.260
thing is that every time we
00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:43.280
do that, he responds
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:44.280
and he manifests.
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.270
- Erick: I wanna talk about
00:36:45.270 --> 00:36:46.290
your world tour, the album.
00:36:46.290 --> 00:36:48.140
But first of all, let's talk
00:36:48.140 --> 00:36:50.240
about you a little bit,
00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:51.190
Christine, your background.
00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:52.220
Not always maybe walking with
00:36:52.220 --> 00:36:54.260
the Lord in your younger years.
00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:57.000
Maybe drifted a bit.
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.270
Even contemplated suicide
00:36:58.270 --> 00:37:00.210
for a time.
00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:02.040
Tell us a little bit about your
00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:03.000
background and how you became
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.290
today, as I said in the lead-in,
00:37:04.290 --> 00:37:06.260
really the face of Latin
00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:08.150
contemporary Christian music,
00:37:08.150 --> 00:37:09.230
a lot of people are saying.
00:37:09.230 --> 00:37:10.240
- Christine: Well, that's
00:37:10.240 --> 00:37:11.200
a huge responsibility
00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:13.100
just hearing that.
00:37:13.100 --> 00:37:14.250
But I'm grateful because
00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:16.030
I am just a broken girl that
00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:17.190
God made whole again.
00:37:17.190 --> 00:37:18.170
I was born in New York, raised
00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:19.270
in Puerto Rico.
00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:20.290
My dad passed away when I was 6.
00:37:20.290 --> 00:37:23.010
I was also sexually molested
00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:24.130
when I was 5.
00:37:24.130 --> 00:37:25.250
So I, early in life, started
00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.140
with a lot of brokenness
00:37:27.140 --> 00:37:28.150
and then when Dad passed,
00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:29.270
my mom remarried.
00:37:29.270 --> 00:37:31.090
We moved to Puerto Rico.
00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:32.070
There was a strong identity
00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:33.090
crisis that went on inside
00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:34.130
of me.
00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:35.050
I grew up with a lot of things
00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:36.170
that were out of whack
00:37:36.170 --> 00:37:37.110
emotionally.
00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.110
But when I finally was able
00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:39.250
to grow up, I grew up in
00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:40.240
the church, by the way.
00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.280
I was a church girl all my life.
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.070
And I developed into being
00:37:43.070 --> 00:37:44.220
the worship leader of the church
00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:46.080
I grew up in.
00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.190
However, all these voids that
00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:49.000
were inside of me, unresolved
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.080
grief, issues with, you know,
00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:53.260
just brokenness.
00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:55.150
My heart was shattered
00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:56.230
since I was a little girl.
00:37:56.230 --> 00:37:58.090
So I took it out on God.
00:37:58.090 --> 00:38:00.050
And I led a double life.
00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:02.090
And in that double life I made
00:38:02.090 --> 00:38:03.190
so many mistakes and I wasted
00:38:03.190 --> 00:38:05.020
myself away, almost completely.
00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:08.190
And in that critical time of
00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:10.290
my life I did hit rock bottom.
00:38:10.290 --> 00:38:13.120
I did contemplate suicide
00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:14.180
on three occasions.
00:38:14.180 --> 00:38:16.010
But the Lord had mercy on me.
00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:18.160
And the day I cried out, he came
00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:20.130
to my rescue and I've been
00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:22.090
hanging on him ever since.
00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:25.010
- Erick: Wow, and the Bible
00:38:25.010 --> 00:38:25.290
says God will restore those
00:38:25.290 --> 00:38:26.290
years that the locusts
00:38:26.290 --> 00:38:27.280
stayed away.
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:28.260
He'll restore them and look how
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.280
he's restoring you now.
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.260
As a Latino artist too, we have
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:34.000
a growing Latino population here
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.190
in the United States.
00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:37.050
Do you take a--with the growing
00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:39.080
Latino population, a growing
00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.200
Latino influence, as a Latino
00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:42.120
artist and you're in Latin
00:38:42.120 --> 00:38:44.020
America frequently as part of
00:38:44.020 --> 00:38:45.070
this world tour right now.
00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:46.240
You're going to El Salvador
00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:47.160
soon.
00:38:47.160 --> 00:38:48.060
Talk about resonating with
00:38:48.060 --> 00:38:50.130
the Latin people here in the US
00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.160
and around the world and how
00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:53.170
that's so special for you.
00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:54.270
- Christine: Well, Hispanics,
00:38:54.270 --> 00:38:55.240
we have this unspoken thing,
00:38:55.240 --> 00:38:58.070
that we can find each other
00:38:58.070 --> 00:38:59.280
anywhere and we can just start
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.140
a conversation in 2 words and 3
00:39:01.140 --> 00:39:04.090
hours later we're still into it.
00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:06.000
There's a familiarity about us.
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.100
I guess that many of us in our
00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:10.280
different countries in Latin
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.050
America, we've had to face
00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:13.070
very similar hardships and we
00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:15.070
just understand the struggle.
00:39:15.070 --> 00:39:17.120
Struggle is real, especially
00:39:17.120 --> 00:39:19.060
when we're predominantly
00:39:19.060 --> 00:39:21.160
immigrants, trying to adjust
00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:23.110
to new cultures.
00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:24.250
And one thing is true about
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:27.030
the Hispanic community
00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:28.100
is that we're very passionate.
00:39:28.100 --> 00:39:30.150
And that's one of the highlights
00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:32.010
every time I get to worship
00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:33.210
with Latinos.
00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:35.000
We are all out for the Lord.
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.060
We are outwardly expressive
00:39:37.060 --> 00:39:38.180
in our worship.
00:39:38.180 --> 00:39:39.200
We love raising our hands.
00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:41.060
We love telling other people of
00:39:41.060 --> 00:39:42.180
the great things that the Lord
00:39:42.180 --> 00:39:44.040
has done in me.
00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:45.050
And I think that the very same
00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:47.040
awakening that we witnessed here
00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:48.180
at Together 2016 is something
00:39:48.180 --> 00:39:50.020
that's not just happening here
00:39:50.020 --> 00:39:51.110
but it's resonating
00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:52.140
in the nations.
00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:53.120
And I think the Lord is
00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:54.270
awakening the church and we're
00:39:54.270 --> 00:39:56.060
finally getting soon to a very
00:39:56.060 --> 00:39:58.160
powerful, very strong, intense
00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:00.250
revival that we've been promised
00:40:00.250 --> 00:40:02.210
in the latter days.
00:40:02.210 --> 00:40:03.250
And the foreshadow of every move
00:40:03.250 --> 00:40:05.230
of God is unity.
00:40:05.230 --> 00:40:06.290
So there are clusters that
00:40:06.290 --> 00:40:09.080
are uniting in every nation
00:40:09.080 --> 00:40:10.280
that I go to.
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.020
We see it in our events.
00:40:12.020 --> 00:40:13.080
We try to get the people to
00:40:13.080 --> 00:40:15.160
unite and cross the borders of
00:40:15.160 --> 00:40:17.040
their different churches and
00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:18.090
their different councils and
00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:19.230
just proclaim the name of Jesus
00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:22.060
and not any other name.
00:40:22.060 --> 00:40:23.150
And I think this call and this
00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:25.240
yearning in our hearts, it's
00:40:25.240 --> 00:40:27.000
working.
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.000
The people are getting together
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.200
and I know that there's a very
00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:31.010
strong revival that has already
00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:32.090
begun and it'll just get bigger
00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:33.290
and bigger from here on out.
00:40:33.290 --> 00:40:34.280
- Erick: Yeah, and it couldn't
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.020
come at a better time.
00:40:36.020 --> 00:40:37.020
Christine, how does that impact
00:40:37.020 --> 00:40:38.030
your work and you're writing
00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:39.070
new songs.
00:40:39.070 --> 00:40:40.000
You see these exciting things
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.000
going on in the church,
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:42.160
around the world.
00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:43.040
You're traveling constantly.
00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:44.130
You see what God's doing in the
00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:45.110
body of Christ, Latin America
00:40:45.110 --> 00:40:46.260
and everywhere, really.
00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:48.080
How does that affect your
00:40:48.080 --> 00:40:49.080
material, your writing?
00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:51.050
How does that give you some
00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:52.010
inspiration?
00:40:52.010 --> 00:40:52.230
- Christine: It is definitely
00:40:52.230 --> 00:40:53.200
a fan to my flame.
00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:54.240
Definitely.
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:55.280
To be able to see that when the
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.080
church unites and when they get
00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:59.240
together, there is salvation.
00:40:59.240 --> 00:41:02.000
There is healing.
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.040
There are miracles.
00:41:04.040 --> 00:41:05.160
There's unspoken things from
00:41:05.160 --> 00:41:07.110
heaven that are deposited on us.
00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.180
That, to me, is like, whoa.
00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:12.140
I could get three or four songs
00:41:12.140 --> 00:41:13.240
out of this.
00:41:13.240 --> 00:41:15.010
I can get, I don't know how many
00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:16.130
blog posts out of it.
00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:17.160
And more than anything, if we
00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:19.030
keep our minds on not just
00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:22.000
blessing the people but blessing
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.270
the Lord in everything we do,
00:41:23.270 --> 00:41:25.160
I think our songs
00:41:25.160 --> 00:41:26.210
can do so much more.
00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:28.130
So witnessing what the Lord
00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:29.250
is doing makes us write great
00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:31.170
things, but when we do it to
00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:32.200
bless him and then he, in turn,
00:41:32.200 --> 00:41:34.040
blesses the people, it's like
00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:35.250
a self-feeding cycle of sorts.
00:41:36.080 --> 00:41:39.080
And, yes, this definitely
00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:40.220
fans my flame.
00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:41.190
- Erick: You know, there's so
00:41:41.190 --> 00:41:42.200
much--there's encouraging things
00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:44.180
going on in the world as you
00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:45.280
described just a second ago.
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.160
There's a lot of pain in
00:41:47.160 --> 00:41:48.210
the world right now too.
00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:50.090
We're seeing terrorism, we're
00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:51.280
seeing racial division, people
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.120
are at each other's throats
00:41:53.120 --> 00:41:54.260
quite literally in the US.
00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:56.220
We see the rise in terror,
00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:58.140
innocent people being killed
00:41:58.140 --> 00:41:59.160
around the world.
00:41:59.160 --> 00:42:00.140
A lot of conflict, a lot of war.
00:42:00.140 --> 00:42:02.030
How does your music provide
00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:05.190
an answer to that?
00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:07.140
I know, Jesus is at the heart of
00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:08.150
it, obviously.
00:42:08.150 --> 00:42:09.080
I guess that's the ultimate
00:42:09.080 --> 00:42:10.150
answer, right?
00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:11.040
I mean, found in--someone who's
00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:12.210
hurting and you went through
00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:14.010
personal turmoil yourself in
00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:15.140
your life.
00:42:15.140 --> 00:42:16.110
You were hurting at times.
00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:17.040
Someone who's hurting can come,
00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:18.280
buy your album, come to one of
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.190
your shows, and be lifted up
00:42:20.190 --> 00:42:22.050
through the power of Jesus.
00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:23.100
- Christine: Well, we find
00:42:23.100 --> 00:42:25.130
a lot of people that are just
00:42:26.020 --> 00:42:29.020
hurting throughout
00:42:29.020 --> 00:42:31.190
our different events.
00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.180
Constantly in my meet and
00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:34.050
greets, sometimes they turn into
00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:35.170
prayer meetings 'cause there's
00:42:35.170 --> 00:42:37.000
so many broken people that need
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.170
an answer and we've been taught
00:42:38.170 --> 00:42:40.100
through generations to focus our
00:42:40.100 --> 00:42:42.110
eyes on a person that we can see
00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:44.120
and we can touch and we can talk
00:42:44.120 --> 00:42:46.140
to and hear them audibly.
00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:48.180
But I think it goes deeper than
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.000
that because greater is he
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.230
living in me than he
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.280
who is in the world.
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.150
So yes, when people admire an
00:42:59.150 --> 00:43:01.080
artist and come to see them and
00:43:01.080 --> 00:43:03.080
gather, as artist, I have to be
00:43:03.080 --> 00:43:05.160
responsible to show the greater,
00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.030
which is the one in me that's
00:43:08.030 --> 00:43:10.180
doing the work that I get to put
00:43:10.180 --> 00:43:12.070
my name on.
00:43:12.070 --> 00:43:13.140
- Erick: Could you maybe just
00:43:13.140 --> 00:43:15.060
look into the camera and give us
00:43:15.060 --> 00:43:16.100
a few words of encouragement
00:43:16.100 --> 00:43:18.090
about what the Lord is doing
00:43:18.090 --> 00:43:20.020
today and what--the good things
00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:21.110
that are happening.
00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:22.150
It's dark times, perilous times
00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:23.220
we live in.
00:43:23.220 --> 00:43:24.180
But God still sits on
00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:26.030
the throne.
00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:26.280
- Christine: For those that are
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.270
watching, it's very important
00:43:27.270 --> 00:43:29.220
that you understand one thing.
00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:31.260
In everything you do and
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:33.000
everything you want to do and in
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.070
everything you don't wanna do
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:37.100
in life, Jesus understands.
00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:41.110
He gets you.
00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:43.150
He knows every challenge,
00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:44.100
he knows every trial.
00:43:44.100 --> 00:43:46.000
He knows ever tear,
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.160
he knows every smile.
00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:48.280
But above anything, he loves you
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.200
with the deepest and most
00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:54.000
perfect and pure of loves.
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.210
So if you would just let him be
00:43:56.210 --> 00:43:58.140
the true King of your heart and
00:43:58.140 --> 00:44:00.050
the ruler of your entire life,
00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:03.200
things are gonna start changing
00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.060
and you're gonna start seeing
00:44:05.060 --> 00:44:06.060
his glory.
00:44:06.060 --> 00:44:07.050
And you're gonna start seeing
00:44:07.050 --> 00:44:08.110
an increase in areas
00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:09.220
you never thought could exist.
00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.260
So I bless you in the name of
00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.070
Jesus and I pray that you
00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:14.160
can make him
00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.060
can make him
00:44:16.060 --> 00:44:18.040
- Jay: Well, joining us
00:44:25.240 --> 00:44:28.240
on the set right now is
00:44:28.240 --> 00:44:29.210
a very good friend of mine.
00:44:29.210 --> 00:44:30.150
We go back a long way.
00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:31.060
David Brog.
00:44:31.060 --> 00:44:31.280
I knew--David, we've known each
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:33.060
other since your days right here
00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:34.030
in the Senate and it's great to
00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:36.160
have you on the set.
00:44:36.160 --> 00:44:37.110
It's great to see you again.
00:44:37.110 --> 00:44:38.070
- David: Hey, always great
00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:39.020
to see you, friend.
00:44:39.020 --> 00:44:39.280
- Jay: Let's talk about
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:40.240
a passion that you and I share.
00:44:40.240 --> 00:44:42.120
We've been talking about this
00:44:42.120 --> 00:44:43.140
for many, many years and that
00:44:43.140 --> 00:44:44.170
is Israel.
00:44:44.170 --> 00:44:45.290
You're on the board of CUFI,
00:44:45.290 --> 00:44:48.190
Christians United For Israel.
00:44:48.190 --> 00:44:49.200
What do you see right now as
00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:51.010
you look at the situation, both
00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:52.040
domestically here in
00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:54.050
the United States,
00:44:54.050 --> 00:44:54.240
but for Israel as well,
00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:55.230
as the great challenge facing
00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:57.050
the Jewish state?
00:44:57.050 --> 00:44:58.170
- David: I think the greatest
00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:00.160
challenge facing the Jewish
00:45:00.160 --> 00:45:01.130
state are the lies being told
00:45:01.130 --> 00:45:03.100
about Israel.
00:45:03.100 --> 00:45:04.210
Israel's enemies have gotten
00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:06.010
smarter.
00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:08.150
The anti-Israel crowd used to
00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:09.250
thick Arabic accents and
00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:13.190
talk about killing the Jews.
00:45:13.190 --> 00:45:15.200
That didn't sell well with our
00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:17.070
country, with our peace-loving,
00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:18.250
justice-loving country.
00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:20.280
They've gotten smarter.
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.070
The new face of anti-Israel hate
00:45:22.070 --> 00:45:24.110
are hip millennials, often
00:45:25.140 --> 00:45:28.140
Christians, going to our young
00:45:28.140 --> 00:45:30.260
people including evangelicals,
00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:33.030
including churches, and saying,
00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:35.010
"You know what?
00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:36.100
Jesus stood with the poor
00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:38.090
and the downtrodden
00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:39.030
and the oppressed.
00:45:39.030 --> 00:45:40.170
You wanna be a follower of
00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:41.220
Jesus, you wanna stand
00:45:41.220 --> 00:45:43.040
with the oppressed.
00:45:43.040 --> 00:45:44.020
And in this conflict,
00:45:44.020 --> 00:45:45.170
the oppressed
00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.110
are the Palestinians.
00:45:46.110 --> 00:45:47.200
The oppressor are the Israelis.
00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:48.290
Your parents' generation
00:45:48.290 --> 00:45:50.050
got it wrong."
00:45:50.050 --> 00:45:51.060
And not knowing better,
00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:52.090
they believe it.
00:45:52.090 --> 00:45:53.180
- Jay: Yeah, this is a--this is
00:45:53.180 --> 00:45:54.200
something I'm, you know, I've
00:45:54.200 --> 00:45:55.140
talked about this before but
00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:56.080
something I'm very concerned
00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:56.290
about.
00:45:56.290 --> 00:45:57.190
I see it.
00:45:57.190 --> 00:45:58.090
I witness it.
00:45:58.090 --> 00:45:59.190
And I talk to students about it.
00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:01.110
I even see this among Jewish
00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:02.140
students.
00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:03.080
I mean, we've talked about that.
00:46:03.080 --> 00:46:04.160
I mean, sometimes, the activist
00:46:04.160 --> 00:46:06.060
on the campus that's anti-Israel
00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:08.180
must--he's not anti-Jewish,
00:46:08.180 --> 00:46:09.250
they'll say.
00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:10.170
It's anti-Israel.
00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:11.140
But the fact of the matter
00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:12.130
is you mentioned
00:46:12.130 --> 00:46:13.100
the sophistication,
00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:14.000
'cause that's what it is.
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:14.190
It's no longer the stereotypical
00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:17.080
image of what you would have as
00:46:17.080 --> 00:46:18.160
a pro-Palestinian activist.
00:46:18.160 --> 00:46:20.050
I witnessed this firsthand
00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:21.190
at the United Nations
00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:22.180
not that many years ago.
00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:23.160
Our organization, with the ACLJ
00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:25.120
affiliate in Europe, was up for
00:46:25.120 --> 00:46:26.230
a status at the UN to be an NGO.
00:46:26.230 --> 00:46:28.290
And we were getting a lot of
00:46:28.290 --> 00:46:30.040
pushback.
00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:30.280
And I watched the representative
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.080
from the Palestinian Liberation
00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:33.220
Organization, it said PLO in
00:46:33.220 --> 00:46:35.030
those days, work the crowd.
00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:37.080
Work the members.
00:46:37.080 --> 00:46:38.260
Now we ultimately got it but it
00:46:38.260 --> 00:46:40.120
was not the old method of
00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:42.000
advocacy, if you will.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.040
They changed their methods and
00:46:44.040 --> 00:46:45.240
their--you see this, I mean,
00:46:45.240 --> 00:46:47.020
look, you see it with
00:46:47.020 --> 00:46:47.280
terrorists, you see it
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:48.200
with everybody.
00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:49.170
They're utilizing the media.
00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:50.140
So let's talk about Christians
00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:52.230
United For Israel's got a long
00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:53.170
history.
00:46:53.170 --> 00:46:54.170
Now you were there since
00:46:54.170 --> 00:46:55.090
the beginning and still
00:46:55.090 --> 00:46:56.100
on the board.
00:46:56.100 --> 00:46:57.040
Talk about the rationale,
00:46:57.040 --> 00:46:58.210
the purpose,
00:46:58.210 --> 00:46:59.060
the reason it exists.
00:46:59.060 --> 00:47:00.080
- David: Sure.
00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:01.050
What our founder,
00:47:01.050 --> 00:47:03.150
Pastor John Hagee,
00:47:03.150 --> 00:47:04.260
noticed, his really
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.280
important insight.
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.110
This is back in 2006, was that
00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:10.190
there were millions of
00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:11.260
Christians across the country
00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.100
who loved Israel,
00:47:13.100 --> 00:47:14.210
prayed for Israel.
00:47:14.210 --> 00:47:16.020
They gather together in their
00:47:16.020 --> 00:47:17.150
churches to sing Israeli songs
00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:19.090
or connect with the Jewish roots
00:47:19.090 --> 00:47:20.210
of the Christian faith.
00:47:20.210 --> 00:47:21.290
But this massive force was not
00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:25.140
yet organized to speak with one
00:47:25.140 --> 00:47:27.020
voice to our leaders here in
00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:28.200
Washington.
00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:29.220
The much smaller Jewish
00:47:29.220 --> 00:47:31.020
community was organized
00:47:31.020 --> 00:47:32.060
and was politically active and
00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:33.180
politically powerful
00:47:33.180 --> 00:47:34.170
on behalf of Israel.
00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:35.200
But that's not enough.
00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.090
And the mission of Christians
00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.160
United For Israel from day one
00:47:39.160 --> 00:47:41.010
was to unite pro-Israel
00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:42.260
Christians, no matter what their
00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:44.160
denomination, no matter what
00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:45.240
their style of worship.
00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:47.110
Bring them together so
00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:48.200
the Christian community could
00:47:48.200 --> 00:47:50.170
speak with one voice and
00:47:50.170 --> 00:47:51.110
tell Congress a message
00:47:51.110 --> 00:47:52.120
that they're still getting and
00:47:52.120 --> 00:47:53.160
still understanding: Israel's
00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:55.030
not just a Jewish issue.
00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:56.190
It is a Christian issue and,
00:47:56.190 --> 00:47:58.050
more than anything,
00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:59.030
it's an American issue.
00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:00.040
- Jay: Right.
00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:00.260
You look at this situation
00:48:00.260 --> 00:48:01.200
right now.
00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:02.180
I mean, we--Israel since
00:48:02.180 --> 00:48:03.260
its--the rebirth of Israel,
00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:05.080
the neighborhood
00:48:05.080 --> 00:48:06.280
has never been stable.
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.130
The neighborhood is now more
00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:09.080
unstable than it's ever been and
00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:10.250
part of that is the nature of
00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.270
the body politic.
00:48:12.270 --> 00:48:14.080
The region is unstable,
00:48:14.080 --> 00:48:15.170
that makes relations unstable.
00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.100
You had the Arab Spring.
00:48:17.100 --> 00:48:18.100
Did not go exactly as people
00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:19.220
thought it was gonna go.
00:48:19.220 --> 00:48:20.170
They were hope this idea.
00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:21.170
And I always said this idea of
00:48:21.170 --> 00:48:22.180
importing Jeffersonian democracy
00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:24.260
into the Middle East doesn't
00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:25.260
generally work out too well.
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.080
Israel's, like,
00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:28.050
the lone exception to where
00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:29.090
that has worked.
00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:30.040
I mean, generally, it does not.
00:48:30.040 --> 00:48:31.110
But you look at the situation
00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:32.140
right now, David, and, as a
00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:33.080
student of this, and I know you
00:48:33.080 --> 00:48:34.170
are, you look at the--besides
00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:36.110
the lies and the deception,
00:48:36.110 --> 00:48:38.090
you look at the area in which
00:48:38.090 --> 00:48:40.150
Israel's operating right now and
00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:41.230
the transition, the changes,
00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:43.010
the situation unfolding on--
00:48:43.010 --> 00:48:44.230
almost on a daily basis, you
00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:46.220
know, and you've got a dictator
00:48:46.220 --> 00:48:47.190
in power but is the group
00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:48.150
behind the dictator
00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:49.120
worse than that group?
00:48:49.120 --> 00:48:50.140
I mean, how do you educate--what
00:48:50.140 --> 00:48:53.030
is the process of that coup he's
00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:54.130
engaged in right now to educate
00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:55.290
the members of the organization,
00:48:55.290 --> 00:48:58.110
the churches, the--and others to
00:48:58.110 --> 00:48:59.190
engage this, with that kind of
00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:01.080
understanding of the,
00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:02.180
I would call it the intrigue
00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:03.190
of the Middle East?
00:49:03.190 --> 00:49:05.030
- David: You know, tragically,
00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:08.040
I mean, tragically, I think our
00:49:08.040 --> 00:49:10.050
job's gotten a little bit
00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:11.190
easier lately.
00:49:11.190 --> 00:49:13.040
I think people--human nature
00:49:14.080 --> 00:49:17.080
leads us to want to deny that
00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:19.030
there are people out there who
00:49:19.030 --> 00:49:20.250
hate us and who are
00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:22.160
out to get us.
00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:23.290
It's not a pleasant feeling to
00:49:23.290 --> 00:49:25.010
live your life thinking someone
00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:26.150
out there is an enemy.
00:49:26.150 --> 00:49:27.220
Someone running after you is
00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:29.010
someone who wants to get you.
00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:31.200
So when Israel was being
00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:32.270
attacked by radical Islam, not
00:49:32.270 --> 00:49:34.250
because of any Israeli policy
00:49:34.250 --> 00:49:36.100
decision, but because radical
00:49:36.100 --> 00:49:38.100
Islam hates Israel
00:49:38.100 --> 00:49:40.090
and wants to destroy Israel.
00:49:40.090 --> 00:49:42.100
You know, the Hamas Charter's
00:49:42.100 --> 00:49:43.080
pretty clear on this.
00:49:43.080 --> 00:49:44.120
Israel will exist until
00:49:44.120 --> 00:49:46.010
Islam obliterates it.
00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:48.240
I think people in the West
00:49:48.240 --> 00:49:50.210
wanted to say, "Okay,
00:49:50.210 --> 00:49:51.210
that must be Israel's problem
00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:53.000
not our problem.
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:54.080
They're out to get Israel maybe
00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.200
because of some sin of Israel,
00:49:55.200 --> 00:49:57.190
some mistake of Israel.
00:49:57.190 --> 00:49:58.220
They're not out to get us."
00:49:58.220 --> 00:50:01.080
Tragically, over the course of
00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:02.260
the past year, what happens in
00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:04.190
Tel Aviv and Kiryat Arba has
00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.270
been happening in Brussels and
00:50:06.270 --> 00:50:08.060
Istanbul and Paris and Nice and
00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:11.060
San Bernardino and Orlando.
00:50:11.060 --> 00:50:13.060
And I think people are starting
00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.230
to realize maybe that attack in
00:50:14.230 --> 00:50:16.070
Brussels was not because of
00:50:16.070 --> 00:50:17.110
anything the Belgians have done.
00:50:17.110 --> 00:50:19.110
Maybe the attack in
00:50:19.110 --> 00:50:20.230
San Bernardino was not because
00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:21.280
of anything America has done.
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.060
So when we say Israel's enemies
00:50:23.060 --> 00:50:25.130
are our enemies, Israel's fight
00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:27.030
is our fight, I think it used to
00:50:27.030 --> 00:50:28.110
fall on deaf ears.
00:50:28.110 --> 00:50:29.260
Now, when we say it I think
00:50:29.260 --> 00:50:30.290
people are open to
00:50:30.290 --> 00:50:32.010
the proposition because they see
00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:33.160
the face of hate that has Israel
00:50:33.160 --> 00:50:35.190
and America in its sights.
00:50:35.190 --> 00:50:37.270
- Jay: You know, one of the
00:50:37.270 --> 00:50:38.210
great difficulties of the region
00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:41.240
and one of the, I think, real
00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:42.220
trials of--for this generation
00:50:42.220 --> 00:50:45.020
is gonna be dealing with Iran.
00:50:45.020 --> 00:50:46.290
The situation with Iran,
00:50:46.290 --> 00:50:48.230
they're the largest state
00:50:48.230 --> 00:50:49.280
sponsor of terror,
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.000
it's the country that has
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.180
the Israelis the most concerned.
00:50:52.180 --> 00:50:54.050
It's the country that should
00:50:54.050 --> 00:50:55.020
have us the most concerned,
00:50:55.020 --> 00:50:55.250
frankly.
00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:56.160
They are the largest state
00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:57.090
sponsor of terror.
00:50:57.090 --> 00:50:58.090
And unlike most of their other
00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:01.070
regimes who either split down
00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:02.270
the Sunni/Shia line, they will
00:51:02.270 --> 00:51:04.120
utilize both elements within
00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:06.110
the--of the radical jihadists.
00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:08.090
Inside of Islam, they'll support
00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:10.100
a Shia--Iran will support
00:51:10.100 --> 00:51:12.130
a Sunni Hamas, for that matter.
00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:15.060
I mean, they, you know, in that
00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:16.000
sense, because they view it
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.160
as a common enemy.
00:51:17.160 --> 00:51:18.240
How difficult do you see the
00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:19.250
situation with Iran as it
00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:21.000
relates to Israel?
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.130
And also even domestically here?
00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:23.090
- David: Well, you know,
00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:24.170
it's--Iran's the perfect example
00:51:24.170 --> 00:51:25.280
of this denial and of, I think,
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.220
a failure of the liberal
00:51:28.170 --> 00:51:31.170
imagination.
00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:32.190
Because again, there's a belief
00:51:32.190 --> 00:51:34.010
that if terrorists are attacking
00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:36.030
Israel, Israel must be to blame.
00:51:36.030 --> 00:51:38.180
And that if Iran is angry at us,
00:51:38.180 --> 00:51:41.130
we must be to blame.
00:51:41.130 --> 00:51:42.210
And the fundamental assumption
00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:44.190
is there is no--and it's very
00:51:44.190 --> 00:51:46.030
biblical but it's so clear.
00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:47.200
The fundamental assumption is
00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:49.200
there is no evil in the world.
00:51:49.200 --> 00:51:51.180
So if someone is angry, they
00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:53.130
must have a legitimate grievance
00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:55.050
and you can sit down with them
00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:56.150
and address their grievance
00:51:56.150 --> 00:51:58.170
and come to an agreement.
00:51:58.170 --> 00:51:59.280
That was the idea,
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.010
the false idea,
00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:03.030
that drove the deal with Iran.
00:52:03.030 --> 00:52:05.010
And anyone who actually thought
00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:07.100
the Iran deal might work should
00:52:07.100 --> 00:52:09.090
have been sobered by everything
00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:11.060
Iran has done in the 1 year
00:52:11.060 --> 00:52:13.100
following the deal.
00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:14.170
- Jay: Well, they did with our
00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:15.090
Navy.
00:52:15.090 --> 00:52:16.000
I mean, this United States Navy
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.020
in the middle of the--ending
00:52:17.020 --> 00:52:18.120
the negotiations, the Iranians
00:52:18.120 --> 00:52:20.050
take--capture a Naval vessel
00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:22.040
and humiliated our soldiers--
00:52:22.040 --> 00:52:25.020
or sailors.
00:52:25.020 --> 00:52:26.040
And it's--the outrage on that
00:52:26.040 --> 00:52:27.090
is palpable.
00:52:27.090 --> 00:52:28.090
Let's take it now
00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:29.190
to domestically here.
00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:30.210
I think we've got a challenge,
00:52:30.210 --> 00:52:31.170
David.
00:52:31.170 --> 00:52:32.100
And that's what I'm really
00:52:32.100 --> 00:52:33.020
concerned about, it's that
00:52:33.020 --> 00:52:34.120
I look at my generation.
00:52:34.120 --> 00:52:35.140
Now I'm older than you but
00:52:35.140 --> 00:52:36.220
I'm--I just turned 60 this year.
00:52:36.220 --> 00:52:38.130
- David: Barely.
00:52:38.130 --> 00:52:39.020
- Jay: Yeah, barely.
00:52:39.020 --> 00:52:39.230
There you go.
00:52:39.230 --> 00:52:40.140
I look at even the kids that are
00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:42.270
younger than my children who are
00:52:42.270 --> 00:52:44.030
now in their 30s,
00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.090
the 20-somethings.
00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:47.020
And there the, I would call
00:52:47.020 --> 00:52:49.130
the anti-Israel desire almost,
00:52:49.240 --> 00:52:52.240
this, as you said, I think, so
00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:54.210
eloquently, this idea that you,
00:52:54.210 --> 00:52:55.270
you know, the underdog must be
00:52:55.270 --> 00:52:56.280
the Palestinian people, thus
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.030
Israel's the bad actor here.
00:52:58.030 --> 00:53:00.220
We've gotta really educate--I
00:53:00.220 --> 00:53:02.160
had this conversation with
00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:03.190
a guy the other day.
00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:05.250
He was very influential
00:53:05.250 --> 00:53:06.130
with millennials.
00:53:06.130 --> 00:53:07.140
And it was two ships passing
00:53:07.140 --> 00:53:09.080
in the night.
00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:10.090
I said, "You know,
00:53:10.090 --> 00:53:11.000
you're saying these things.
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:11.260
You've not understanding
00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:13.030
the nature of the region.
00:53:13.030 --> 00:53:14.130
You're not putting yourself
00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.000
in the--Israel is distinctively
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.250
a Jewish state for a reason.
00:53:17.250 --> 00:53:19.150
There is a history there.
00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:20.130
I mean, my family was wiped out
00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:21.220
in the Holocaust.
00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:22.190
I mean, on my mother's side of
00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:24.230
the family, my father's side,
00:53:24.230 --> 00:53:25.240
both of our families'
00:53:25.240 --> 00:53:26.190
cemeteries, my mother's and
00:53:26.190 --> 00:53:27.200
father's, hundreds of relatives.
00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:29.120
So there's--Israel rebirthed
00:53:29.120 --> 00:53:31.250
as a nation with a purpose.
00:53:31.250 --> 00:53:33.090
And it's as if its history
00:53:33.090 --> 00:53:34.200
gets further and further back.
00:53:34.200 --> 00:53:36.230
People are forgetting that
00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:37.160
purpose.
00:53:37.160 --> 00:53:38.120
- David: They're forgetting it
00:53:38.120 --> 00:53:39.210
and you--I wanna say something
00:53:39.210 --> 00:53:41.230
we started off by saying.
00:53:41.230 --> 00:53:43.040
Israel's enemies have
00:53:43.040 --> 00:53:44.020
gotten smarter.
00:53:44.020 --> 00:53:45.000
You know, the first thing they
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.100
tried to do was destroy Israel
00:53:46.100 --> 00:53:48.220
through a military
00:53:48.220 --> 00:53:49.250
conventional war.
00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:51.210
Five Arab armies invaded Israel
00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:53.230
the day after it was recognized
00:53:53.230 --> 00:53:55.010
by the United Nations
00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:56.080
and tried to destroy it through
00:53:56.080 --> 00:53:57.070
conventional war.
00:53:57.070 --> 00:53:58.020
They failed.
00:53:58.020 --> 00:53:58.290
'67 they tried to destroy Israel
00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:00.200
through conventional war.
00:54:00.200 --> 00:54:01.200
They failed.
00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:02.230
'73 they tried through
00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:03.200
conventional war.
00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:04.160
They failed.
00:54:04.160 --> 00:54:05.070
That gave birth to a new tactic:
00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:07.030
terrorism and suicide bombing.
00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:09.210
Well, eventually, Israel learned
00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.140
how to stop the suicide bombers
00:54:11.140 --> 00:54:13.070
and the terrorism by building
00:54:13.070 --> 00:54:14.150
a security fence.
00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:16.080
So they tried a new tactic,
00:54:16.080 --> 00:54:17.210
missiles, firing missiles
00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:18.240
into Israel.
00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:19.240
Israel invented the Iron Dome.
00:54:19.240 --> 00:54:21.060
The missiles aren't as
00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:22.000
effective.
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:22.170
Now they're trying to burrow
00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:23.090
underground and trying to
00:54:23.090 --> 00:54:24.290
destroy Israel through tunnels.
00:54:24.290 --> 00:54:26.170
At the same time,
00:54:26.170 --> 00:54:27.150
they realize something.
00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:29.010
Their best hope lays
00:54:29.010 --> 00:54:30.270
in destroying and severing
00:54:30.270 --> 00:54:32.100
the bonds between Israel
00:54:32.100 --> 00:54:34.030
and the United States.
00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:35.290
So while Israel has defeated
00:54:35.290 --> 00:54:37.080
them in every area militarily,
00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:39.230
they've gotten the jumpstart
00:54:39.230 --> 00:54:41.120
on this battle for
00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:42.120
the next generation.
00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:43.060
- Jay: Yeah, and part of it
00:54:43.060 --> 00:54:43.260
is they engage in what we
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:44.230
call lawfare.
00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:45.230
This idea they utilize the legal
00:54:45.230 --> 00:54:46.260
system and turn it on its head
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:48.160
so they try to legitimize their
00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:49.160
illegitimate position
00:54:49.160 --> 00:54:50.220
by utilizing the legal system.
00:54:50.220 --> 00:54:52.060
I had a--during Operation Kasla,
00:54:52.060 --> 00:54:54.080
which was 2009 Gaza conflict,
00:54:54.080 --> 00:54:56.060
the Palestinian authority,
00:54:56.060 --> 00:54:57.230
as they traditionally do, filed
00:54:57.230 --> 00:54:59.040
a complaint at the International
00:54:59.040 --> 00:55:01.140
Criminal Court in the Hague.
00:55:01.140 --> 00:55:02.160
And we get involved in it,
00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:03.150
presenting Israel's interests
00:55:03.150 --> 00:55:04.290
before the ICC.
00:55:04.290 --> 00:55:06.030
ICC--Israel is not a member of
00:55:06.030 --> 00:55:07.180
the International Criminal
00:55:07.180 --> 00:55:09.060
Court, nor is the United States
00:55:09.060 --> 00:55:10.110
for that matter, but the
00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:11.050
position had to be advocated.
00:55:11.050 --> 00:55:12.110
It was--ultimately,
00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:13.140
we prevailed.
00:55:13.140 --> 00:55:14.160
But if you would have been in
00:55:14.160 --> 00:55:15.140
there--I wish we could have had
00:55:15.140 --> 00:55:16.230
cameras in that--those hearing
00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:18.140
rooms to listen to the arguments
00:55:18.140 --> 00:55:20.100
of this--it is lawfare.
00:55:20.100 --> 00:55:23.090
They take the legal system, turn
00:55:23.090 --> 00:55:24.190
it on its head as an attempt to
00:55:24.190 --> 00:55:26.110
delegitimize--or to legitimize
00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:28.060
their operation
00:55:28.060 --> 00:55:29.090
and delegitimize Israel.
00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:30.170
So we talked about lawfare.
00:55:30.170 --> 00:55:31.220
We haven't touched yet on
00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:32.270
this whole Boycott, Divest,
00:55:32.270 --> 00:55:34.030
and Sanction.
00:55:34.030 --> 00:55:34.290
But let's talk about
00:55:34.290 --> 00:55:36.080
the lawfare for a moment.
00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:37.010
How do you view that?
00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:37.260
I mean, you've got a long
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:38.190
history on Capitol Hill involved
00:55:38.190 --> 00:55:39.150
with legal issues here.
00:55:39.150 --> 00:55:41.100
But this--it's again, it's
00:55:41.100 --> 00:55:42.210
a very sophisticated technique.
00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:43.270
- David: That's exactly right.
00:55:43.270 --> 00:55:44.250
That's exactly right and talk
00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:46.080
about going into enemy territory
00:55:46.080 --> 00:55:48.250
which I have always admired your
00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:50.100
stand at the UN and the strength
00:55:50.100 --> 00:55:52.120
and the courage with which you
00:55:52.120 --> 00:55:53.190
fight that fight.
00:55:53.190 --> 00:55:54.240
Look, our enemies have become
00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:57.270
adept at using our freedoms
00:55:57.270 --> 00:55:59.280
and our system against us.
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.270
They use our immigration system.
00:56:01.270 --> 00:56:04.110
They use our civil rights.
00:56:04.110 --> 00:56:05.270
They use our freedom of religion
00:56:05.270 --> 00:56:07.060
very often to attack us.
00:56:07.060 --> 00:56:09.230
The UN is a perfect example
00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:11.140
of using the infrastructure
00:56:11.140 --> 00:56:13.010
of the UN and
00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:14.010
the international legal system
00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:15.110
as a way to promote lies.
00:56:15.110 --> 00:56:17.230
You know they have a built-in
00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:19.060
majority at the UN.
00:56:19.060 --> 00:56:20.220
When you take the Arab states
00:56:20.220 --> 00:56:21.200
and the Muslim states,
00:56:21.200 --> 00:56:22.170
it's a built-in majority.
00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:24.130
And so they use it very often
00:56:24.130 --> 00:56:25.260
and they can--it's so sad to see
00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.240
what was started
00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:28.280
with such high hopes.
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.070
The United Nations, a way
00:56:30.070 --> 00:56:31.260
to try to bring some dialog,
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:33.010
some peace, some justice.
00:56:33.010 --> 00:56:34.270
And the way it is perverted with
00:56:34.270 --> 00:56:36.280
lies and hate and pure numbers.
00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:40.160
Pure hardball politics.
00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:42.070
They have the numbers
00:56:42.070 --> 00:56:43.000
and we don't.
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:43.280
And they use it as a form to
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.230
attack Israel endlessly, is
00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:46.290
the surest sign that the UN
00:56:46.290 --> 00:56:48.170
has lost its way and forgotten
00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:50.050
its original mission when you
00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:51.100
see them censuring the state of
00:56:51.100 --> 00:56:53.020
Israel more than anyone else.
00:56:53.020 --> 00:56:55.030
- Jay: And by multiple times.
00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:56.170
I mean, it's not even.
00:56:56.170 --> 00:56:57.120
There's more anti-Israel
00:56:57.120 --> 00:56:58.160
resolutions passed than every
00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:00.080
other human rights violation
00:57:00.080 --> 00:57:02.000
combined.
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:03.020
That gives you a scope and
00:57:03.020 --> 00:57:03.260
the sense of what's going on.
00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:05.150
Let's talk about the BDS issue,
00:57:05.150 --> 00:57:06.260
Boycott, Divest, and Sanction.
00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:08.090
For those that don't know, this
00:57:08.090 --> 00:57:09.230
is a movement that has been
00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:10.290
gaining a lot of traction
00:57:10.290 --> 00:57:12.150
and this idea to make Israel
00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:14.080
the oppressor.
00:57:14.080 --> 00:57:15.110
Therefore, you boycott them, you
00:57:15.110 --> 00:57:16.210
treat them like South Africa
00:57:16.210 --> 00:57:17.280
during Apartheid.
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.010
You encourage divestiture so
00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:20.240
that businesses are afraid to
00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:22.010
engage with Israeli companies,
00:57:22.010 --> 00:57:24.070
and then you sanction.
00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:25.160
You actually put forward
00:57:25.160 --> 00:57:26.220
sanctions against Israel.
00:57:26.220 --> 00:57:28.050
This has affected the academy
00:57:28.050 --> 00:57:29.090
in academics where Israeli
00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:30.270
academics have been denied
00:57:30.270 --> 00:57:32.050
the ability to participate
00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:33.230
in major associations,
00:57:33.230 --> 00:57:35.060
major conferences.
00:57:35.060 --> 00:57:36.050
It's infecting--impacting
00:57:36.050 --> 00:57:37.110
students.
00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:39.150
But I think the best example of
00:57:39.150 --> 00:57:40.120
a case right now we have
00:57:40.120 --> 00:57:41.130
at UCLA.
00:57:41.130 --> 00:57:42.110
The student is from India
00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:44.100
and is Hindu.
00:57:44.100 --> 00:57:45.070
Happens to be pro-Israel.
00:57:45.070 --> 00:57:47.000
And he did the right thing at
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.210
a student-government association
00:57:48.210 --> 00:57:49.260
the graduate student union
00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:51.180
president, medical student.
00:57:51.180 --> 00:57:52.290
And he had to go through
00:57:52.290 --> 00:57:55.090
the SGA.
00:57:55.090 --> 00:57:56.080
This, basically, we're not gonna
00:57:56.080 --> 00:57:57.210
promote dialog that is hateful
00:57:57.210 --> 00:58:00.120
or--and it wasn't a hate speech
00:58:00.120 --> 00:58:01.080
issue.
00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:02.020
It was funding money.
00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:03.000
He said, "No."
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.090
It went through into the
00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:04.290
pro-Israel group who just--they
00:58:04.290 --> 00:58:05.250
said, "We're staying out of it."
00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:06.200
And for that he was lambasted.
00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:08.080
So let's talk about I know
00:58:08.080 --> 00:58:09.040
you're working with--on
00:58:09.040 --> 00:58:10.000
the Maccabee project but let's
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:10.290
talk about the BDS movement
00:58:10.290 --> 00:58:11.220
for a while and how you view it.
00:58:11.220 --> 00:58:13.070
- David: Yeah, yeah.
00:58:13.070 --> 00:58:14.030
So BDS is the newest weapon
00:58:14.150 --> 00:58:17.150
against Israel.
00:58:17.150 --> 00:58:18.090
Again, it's being smart, it's
00:58:18.090 --> 00:58:19.180
realizing how do you persuade
00:58:19.180 --> 00:58:21.110
the American people in general
00:58:21.110 --> 00:58:23.050
and this generation
00:58:23.050 --> 00:58:24.010
in particular,
00:58:24.010 --> 00:58:24.270
to hate what is good?
00:58:24.270 --> 00:58:26.030
And they have come up with
00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:28.210
the right idea, which is our
00:58:28.210 --> 00:58:29.210
young people love justice.
00:58:29.210 --> 00:58:32.180
They are compassionate.
00:58:32.180 --> 00:58:34.000
And the issue that resonated
00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:37.050
most on college campuses
00:58:37.050 --> 00:58:38.230
in the past few decades
00:58:38.230 --> 00:58:40.000
has been the issue of
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:40.230
apartheid South Africa.
00:58:40.230 --> 00:58:42.090
It was an ugly racist system.
00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:44.060
And when I was in college,
00:58:44.060 --> 00:58:45.080
the only issue I got involved in
00:58:45.080 --> 00:58:47.100
was fighting against apartheid.
00:58:47.100 --> 00:58:49.070
So what are--you have to give
00:58:49.070 --> 00:58:51.280
credit to the brilliant idea.
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:53.050
If you can lie about Israel, if
00:58:53.050 --> 00:58:55.050
you can say Israel is everything
00:58:55.050 --> 00:58:56.090
it is not; it is, in fact,
00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:57.160
an apartheid system in which
00:58:57.160 --> 00:58:59.110
the Jews discriminate against
00:58:59.110 --> 00:59:01.000
the Arabs, this is the path to
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.260
getting the compassion
00:59:02.260 --> 00:59:04.150
and the energy of young people
00:59:04.150 --> 00:59:05.240
against Israel.
00:59:05.240 --> 00:59:07.000
And not knowing more about
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.230
Israel than they know,
00:59:09.230 --> 00:59:11.000
students are all too willing
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.020
to believe the lies.
00:59:12.020 --> 00:59:13.240
The facts, of course,
00:59:13.240 --> 00:59:15.140
are the exact opposite.
00:59:15.140 --> 00:59:17.070
Israel is the freest society in
00:59:17.070 --> 00:59:19.100
the Middle East.
00:59:19.100 --> 00:59:20.230
The freest Arabs in
00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:22.040
the Middle East are the Arab
00:59:22.040 --> 00:59:23.060
citizens of the Jewish state.
00:59:23.060 --> 00:59:24.270
And this is just a fact, a fact.
00:59:24.270 --> 00:59:26.240
The freest Muslims in the Middle
00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:28.080
East are the Muslim citizens of
00:59:28.080 --> 00:59:29.220
the Jewish state.
00:59:29.220 --> 00:59:30.250
The only Muslims in the region
00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:32.070
that can worship Allah as they
00:59:32.070 --> 00:59:33.220
choose or choose not to worship
00:59:33.220 --> 00:59:35.100
him and not fear for their lives
00:59:35.100 --> 00:59:36.190
or their freedom.
00:59:36.190 --> 00:59:37.130
- Jay: Is in Israel.
00:59:37.130 --> 00:59:38.020
- David: And as well--as you
00:59:38.020 --> 00:59:38.240
know well, Jay, the safest
00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:40.030
Christians in the Middle East
00:59:40.030 --> 00:59:41.190
are the Christian citizens of
00:59:41.190 --> 00:59:42.190
the Jewish state.
00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:43.120
- Jay: Oh, yeah, I mean, you
00:59:43.120 --> 00:59:44.030
can ask them would they rather
00:59:44.030 --> 00:59:44.240
be under the leadership and
00:59:44.240 --> 00:59:46.040
the political government of
00:59:46.040 --> 00:59:47.120
Israel or would they rather be
00:59:47.120 --> 00:59:48.120
under Hamas, because we could
00:59:48.120 --> 00:59:49.150
get in--that's a whole separate
00:59:49.150 --> 00:59:50.230
conversation but it would be
00:59:50.230 --> 00:59:52.030
overwhelming.
00:59:52.030 --> 00:59:52.290
But David, we had an interesting
00:59:52.290 --> 00:59:53.260
experience a couple of
00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:54.210
years ago.
00:59:54.210 --> 00:59:55.100
The United Nations every 4 years
00:59:55.100 --> 00:59:56.200
does their reports on
00:59:56.200 --> 00:59:58.070
human rights or religious
00:59:58.070 --> 00:59:59.030
freedom in the world.
00:59:59.030 --> 00:59:59.250
And Israel was one of
00:59:59.250 --> 01:00:00.230
the reporting countries.
01:00:00.230 --> 01:00:02.000
So the UN Rapporteur, that's
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.230
the person that's in charge
01:00:03.230 --> 01:00:04.250
of this for religious freedom,
01:00:04.250 --> 01:00:06.050
said, "I want you to--"
01:00:06.050 --> 01:00:06.290
to the ACLJ and our
01:00:06.290 --> 01:00:08.050
European affiliates.
01:00:08.050 --> 01:00:09.160
"We wanna interview people."
01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:11.020
And that--the bias was clear.
01:00:11.020 --> 01:00:12.090
You knew exactly where they
01:00:12.090 --> 01:00:13.040
were going.
01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:13.210
We set 'em up with meet--people.
01:00:13.210 --> 01:00:14.240
I set 'em up with the wife of
01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:17.100
the operator of the Palestinian
01:00:17.100 --> 01:00:19.040
Bible Society bookstore,
01:00:19.040 --> 01:00:20.210
Rami Ayyad, who was killed
01:00:20.210 --> 01:00:23.030
by Hamas, stabbed 43 times.
01:00:23.030 --> 01:00:25.070
Because he was a Christian.
01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:26.240
In broad daylight.
01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:28.200
I said, "Speak to her.
01:00:28.200 --> 01:00:30.050
Let's talk to her what it's like
01:00:30.050 --> 01:00:31.250
under Hamas versus Israel."
01:00:31.250 --> 01:00:33.250
I had them meet with pastors of
01:00:33.250 --> 01:00:36.210
churches that would only meet in
01:00:36.210 --> 01:00:38.020
olive groves because if they
01:00:38.020 --> 01:00:40.010
were known they were meeting,
01:00:40.010 --> 01:00:41.080
the leadership of Hamas
01:00:41.080 --> 01:00:43.260
politically which is now getting
01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:45.160
strong in the West Bank, strong
01:00:45.160 --> 01:00:46.290
of course in Gaza, would--could
01:00:46.290 --> 01:00:48.080
end their lives
01:00:48.080 --> 01:00:50.070
or kill their children.
01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:51.120
So this kind of real-world
01:00:51.130 --> 01:00:54.130
experience, real politic,
01:00:54.130 --> 01:00:56.040
if you will, is something
01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:57.170
we've gotta get across.
01:00:57.170 --> 01:00:58.290
- David: The great thing about
01:00:58.290 --> 01:01:01.050
supporting Israel
01:01:01.050 --> 01:01:02.160
is the truth is on our side.
01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:04.000
It's that simple.
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.090
They demand ignorance and lies
01:01:05.090 --> 01:01:07.080
to persuade a generation that
01:01:07.080 --> 01:01:09.020
Israel's the embodiment of
01:01:09.020 --> 01:01:10.020
everything they hate.
01:01:10.020 --> 01:01:11.090
We know the truth is on our side
01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:13.120
and if we can expose people to
01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:14.030
the truth, they'll see Israel
01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:15.160
is actually the example of
01:01:15.160 --> 01:01:16.200
everything we love.
01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:18.010
So spreading the truth isn't
01:01:18.010 --> 01:01:20.190
as easy as it should be.
01:01:20.190 --> 01:01:21.260
Sometimes, a big lie
01:01:21.260 --> 01:01:23.040
is easy to spread.
01:01:23.040 --> 01:01:24.020
And we need to come in
01:01:24.020 --> 01:01:25.050
with facts and history.
01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:26.100
We need to get their attention
01:01:26.100 --> 01:01:27.160
for 10 minutes which these days
01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:29.070
can be a challenge.
01:01:29.070 --> 01:01:30.110
But if we do it, we share the
01:01:30.110 --> 01:01:32.100
truth and share it persistently
01:01:32.100 --> 01:01:33.110
as you've seen, and it's been my
01:01:33.110 --> 01:01:34.280
experience too, we ultimately
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.250
win this argument.
01:01:36.250 --> 01:01:37.270
You know, it's interesting,
01:01:37.270 --> 01:01:39.200
they're saying Israel's
01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:40.240
an apartheid state and we have
01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:42.010
to boycott Israel in order
01:01:42.010 --> 01:01:43.140
for it to end its apartheid.
01:01:43.140 --> 01:01:45.140
You know and I know, Israel's
01:01:45.140 --> 01:01:46.200
the opposite of apartheid.
01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:48.030
So what's their goal then?
01:01:48.030 --> 01:01:49.140
Why do they wanna boycott
01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:50.080
Israel?
01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:51.020
- Jay: It's the elimination of
01:01:51.020 --> 01:01:51.240
Israel.
01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:52.050
- David: Without a doubt.
01:01:52.050 --> 01:01:52.240
- Jay: Yeah, or they'll say,
01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:53.150
"Listen, we're not eliminating
01:01:53.150 --> 01:01:54.110
Israel," but they don't like
01:01:54.110 --> 01:01:55.050
the idea that it's a Jewish
01:01:55.050 --> 01:01:56.000
state but there's a reason
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.050
it's a Jewish state.
01:01:57.050 --> 01:01:57.270
So they use that.
01:01:57.270 --> 01:01:58.280
I wanna go back to Washington,
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.120
D.C., David, and you know, you
01:02:00.120 --> 01:02:01.190
and I have known each other a
01:02:01.190 --> 01:02:02.120
long time.
01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:03.000
You look at the work you did
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:03.200
here in this United State Senate
01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:04.280
which was great.
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:05.240
Was that the warm-up for what
01:02:05.240 --> 01:02:07.040
you're doing now, do you sense
01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:08.020
in a way?
01:02:08.020 --> 01:02:08.220
- David: I feel that way.
01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:09.240
- Jay: Talk about that for a
01:02:09.240 --> 01:02:10.150
minute.
01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:10.290
- David: Yeah, you know, it's
01:02:10.290 --> 01:02:11.200
funny.
01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:12.080
You know, well, when you're in
01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:13.110
Washington and you're working on
01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:14.130
Capitol Hill and I was working
01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:15.190
for a very senior senator, you
01:02:15.190 --> 01:02:17.110
sometimes fall into the trap of
01:02:18.030 --> 01:02:21.030
thinking that you are running
01:02:21.030 --> 01:02:22.260
the world and you are at
01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:24.000
the pinnacle of power.
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.160
And what I've come to learn
01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:28.100
after that is that was
01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:29.190
preparation.
01:02:29.190 --> 01:02:30.240
I learned skills and I learned
01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:32.060
a discipline that have enabled
01:02:32.060 --> 01:02:33.230
me to go out in the world and
01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:35.060
the world beyond the beltway
01:02:35.060 --> 01:02:36.170
and do what I think has been
01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:38.140
my calling.
01:02:38.140 --> 01:02:39.110
And do what I think, in a sense,
01:02:39.110 --> 01:02:40.260
is the challenge that defines
01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:43.080
our time, which is to build
01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:45.100
a grassroots effort.
01:02:45.100 --> 01:02:47.060
And to build an organization
01:02:47.060 --> 01:02:48.250
that can help support the state
01:02:48.250 --> 01:02:50.100
of Israel and defend the state
01:02:50.100 --> 01:02:52.040
of Israel because ultimately,
01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:53.170
Israel is on the front line
01:02:53.170 --> 01:02:55.050
of a battle we cannot escape.
01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:57.290
- Jay: And nor can we lose.
01:02:57.290 --> 01:02:58.240
- David: That's exactly--
01:02:58.240 --> 01:02:59.220
- Jay: It's not a battle--we
01:02:59.220 --> 01:03:00.180
don't have the luxury of
01:03:00.180 --> 01:03:01.170
thinking that we don't have to
01:03:01.170 --> 01:03:03.050
engage.
01:03:03.050 --> 01:03:04.030
Let me ask you about
01:03:04.030 --> 01:03:04.290
the Maccabee project, some of
01:03:04.290 --> 01:03:06.110
the stuff you're doing right
01:03:06.110 --> 01:03:07.110
now 'cause this is important.
01:03:07.110 --> 01:03:08.080
And, again, it goes back to
01:03:08.080 --> 01:03:09.210
working with
01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:10.270
a younger generation.
01:03:10.270 --> 01:03:12.250
Talk to me about
01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:13.130
what you're doing now.
01:03:13.130 --> 01:03:14.110
- David: So what we're doing is
01:03:14.110 --> 01:03:15.070
exactly what we were talking
01:03:15.070 --> 01:03:16.060
about earlier.
01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:17.030
Our mission is to spread the
01:03:17.030 --> 01:03:18.100
truth about Israel and to make
01:03:18.100 --> 01:03:19.170
sure that there are soldiers
01:03:19.170 --> 01:03:21.240
behind the truth.
01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:23.190
We're going--sort of what
01:03:23.190 --> 01:03:25.260
you've done at the UN.
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.250
We're going to those college
01:03:27.250 --> 01:03:28.270
campuses that are most hostile,
01:03:28.270 --> 01:03:30.280
where the hate for Israel
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.160
is most pronounced,
01:03:32.160 --> 01:03:33.220
where Jewish students
01:03:33.220 --> 01:03:34.130
feel the most intimidated.
01:03:34.130 --> 01:03:35.220
And it's a sad fact of life
01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:37.230
in America today that Jewish
01:03:37.230 --> 01:03:39.200
students on certain college
01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:41.120
campuses in America
01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:42.070
have to be afraid.
01:03:42.070 --> 01:03:43.080
They take off their kippah.
01:03:43.080 --> 01:03:45.060
We're going to those campuses
01:03:45.060 --> 01:03:47.140
and we're bringing resources and
01:03:47.140 --> 01:03:49.190
we're saying to the pro-Israel
01:03:49.190 --> 01:03:51.150
students on campus, Jews and
01:03:51.150 --> 01:03:53.020
Christians, who have the guts
01:03:53.020 --> 01:03:54.240
and the courage to take a stand,
01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:56.110
that we're behind you.
01:03:56.110 --> 01:03:57.190
We will bring you the resources
01:03:57.190 --> 01:03:58.290
you need and the support
01:03:58.290 --> 01:04:00.060
you need.
01:04:00.060 --> 01:04:00.280
We sit down together and say,
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.130
"What do you wanna do this year
01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:04.210
to fight back against BDS?
01:04:04.210 --> 01:04:06.090
To fight back against
01:04:06.090 --> 01:04:07.150
the Israel haters?
01:04:07.150 --> 01:04:08.140
And don't worry about money
01:04:08.140 --> 01:04:10.240
because we can bring
01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:11.260
the resources and we can bring
01:04:11.260 --> 01:04:13.030
the community behind you."
01:04:13.030 --> 01:04:14.290
And what we're seeing is what
01:04:14.290 --> 01:04:16.170
you referenced earlier.
01:04:16.170 --> 01:04:19.090
When you punch the bully in
01:04:19.090 --> 01:04:20.240
the nose, when you bring truth
01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:22.260
to the middle of the lies,
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.050
it makes a difference.
01:04:24.050 --> 01:04:25.140
And very often, the enemy
01:04:25.140 --> 01:04:26.260
was not quite as terrible
01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:28.010
and as fearsome
01:04:28.010 --> 01:04:29.040
as he appeared from afar.
01:04:29.040 --> 01:04:30.190
- Jay: You know, we had
01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:31.070
a student and you know about
01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:32.000
this case.
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:32.160
We had a student at Loyola
01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:33.110
who was really harassed,
01:04:33.110 --> 01:04:35.040
a Jewish student.
01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:35.260
We took it through
01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:36.280
the administrative system,
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.100
got it resolved successfully.
01:04:38.100 --> 01:04:40.090
We've had professors that have
01:04:40.090 --> 01:04:41.290
been boycotted in their
01:04:41.290 --> 01:04:44.030
classrooms by the students
01:04:44.030 --> 01:04:45.140
in their very classroom.
01:04:45.140 --> 01:04:47.150
This kind of hostility,
01:04:47.150 --> 01:04:48.200
in a sense it's a flashback to
01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:50.190
a generation before me or a half
01:04:50.190 --> 01:04:52.210
a generation before me and
01:04:52.210 --> 01:04:53.210
that was the campus unrest
01:04:53.210 --> 01:04:54.290
of the '60s.
01:04:54.290 --> 01:04:55.270
But now it's focused on other
01:04:55.270 --> 01:04:57.110
students that just happened to
01:04:57.110 --> 01:04:59.150
disagree with this particular
01:04:59.150 --> 01:05:00.180
student.
01:05:00.180 --> 01:05:01.180
So this--it's kind of turning
01:05:01.180 --> 01:05:02.200
free speech upside down.
01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:04.020
I want you to look in the camera
01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:05.090
for a moment and talk to
01:05:05.090 --> 01:05:06.100
right now and tell them what
01:05:08.120 --> 01:05:09.030
they need to be doing,
01:05:09.030 --> 01:05:10.130
the parents, the grandparents
01:05:10.130 --> 01:05:11.220
are out there, to help out
01:05:11.220 --> 01:05:13.020
in this fight for Israel.
01:05:13.020 --> 01:05:14.110
- David: I appreciate it, Jay.
01:05:14.110 --> 01:05:15.110
And to everyone watching, thank
01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:17.000
you and bless you for caring
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:18.240
about this issue.
01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:20.090
As Jay and I have been saying,
01:05:20.090 --> 01:05:21.250
the fight for Israel is not just
01:05:21.250 --> 01:05:23.170
the fight for some country
01:05:23.170 --> 01:05:24.230
in the Middle East.
01:05:24.230 --> 01:05:25.250
It is the twin pillar of
01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:29.140
Judeo-Christian civilization
01:05:29.140 --> 01:05:31.050
that is under assault.
01:05:31.050 --> 01:05:32.210
Their fight's our fight.
01:05:32.210 --> 01:05:34.000
This is not some foreign
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.060
country.
01:05:35.060 --> 01:05:36.060
It is our heart and our values
01:05:36.060 --> 01:05:37.160
on the front lines.
01:05:37.160 --> 01:05:39.250
What we need to do is to make
01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:40.290
sure that our young generation
01:05:40.290 --> 01:05:42.180
cannot be hijacked by people
01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:45.260
telling lies.
01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:47.010
I love the compassion
01:05:47.010 --> 01:05:48.160
of our young people.
01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.030
I love their heart.
01:05:50.030 --> 01:05:51.080
I love the fact that they wanna
01:05:51.080 --> 01:05:52.120
be follows of Jesus on
01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:54.120
the front lines where suffering
01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:55.160
is and where pain is.
01:05:55.160 --> 01:05:57.130
Let's encourage that but let's
01:05:57.130 --> 01:06:00.050
inform that because bad people
01:06:00.050 --> 01:06:02.080
are using that compassion to
01:06:02.080 --> 01:06:03.280
turn them against the things
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.210
we hold dear.
01:06:05.210 --> 01:06:06.230
So we can't sit on the sidelines
01:06:06.230 --> 01:06:08.120
and say, "Young people
01:06:08.120 --> 01:06:09.130
will be young people.
01:06:09.130 --> 01:06:10.150
Kids will be kids."
01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:11.130
We can't afford to do
01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:12.220
that because other people
01:06:12.220 --> 01:06:13.200
are out there.
01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:14.160
They're going to talk to them.
01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:15.180
They're going to lie to them.
01:06:15.180 --> 01:06:16.240
They're gonna hijack
01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:17.200
the compassion you taught them
01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.080
to turn them against
01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:20.190
what we hold dear.
01:06:20.190 --> 01:06:21.210
We can't sit on the side lines.
01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:23.000
We owe it to them
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:23.240
to tell them the truth.
01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:25.020
It's the truth about Israel.
01:06:25.020 --> 01:06:26.160
It's the truth about America.
01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:28.150
It's the truth about
01:06:28.150 --> 01:06:29.070
western civilization.
01:06:29.070 --> 01:06:30.110
Which means, and this is
01:06:30.110 --> 01:06:31.250
the hardest part,
01:06:31.250 --> 01:06:33.090
which means we have to know
01:06:33.090 --> 01:06:34.030
what we're talking about.
01:06:34.030 --> 01:06:34.260
We have to get informed
01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:35.150
about Israel.
01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:36.120
We have to get informed about
01:06:36.120 --> 01:06:37.040
our own country.
01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:38.050
And we need to be able to share
01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:39.200
those truths so that we can
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:40.170
marry their compassion, their
01:06:40.170 --> 01:06:42.060
heart, with knowledge so that
01:06:42.060 --> 01:06:43.260
they're going to dedicate their
01:06:43.260 --> 01:06:45.040
energies to preserving
01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.290
everything we hold dear.
01:06:46.290 --> 01:06:48.160
- Jay: You know, David, I
01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:49.070
really think this is the battle
01:06:49.070 --> 01:06:50.050
of a lifetime.
01:06:50.050 --> 01:06:51.150
It's a battle of a generation
01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:52.150
here.
01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:53.070
And I wanna just underscore what
01:06:53.070 --> 01:06:54.060
David said.
01:06:54.060 --> 01:06:54.290
This is not--we don't have
01:06:54.290 --> 01:06:55.290
"Can we win this war?"
01:06:57.110 --> 01:06:59.090
We must win.
01:06:59.090 --> 01:07:00.270
We have no option.
01:07:00.270 --> 01:07:02.090
And that's gonna take all of
01:07:02.090 --> 01:07:03.120
us getting engaged.
01:07:03.120 --> 01:07:04.100
And, David, I appreciate so much
01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:05.120
our friendship over the years
01:07:05.120 --> 01:07:06.080
but also the great work you
01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:06.280
continue to do.
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:07.170
Thank you, my friend.
01:07:07.170 --> 01:07:08.090
- David: Bless you, friend.
01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:08.290
- Jay: Thanks for being with
01:07:08.290 --> 01:07:09.200
us.
01:07:09.200 --> 01:07:10.000
Good seeing you.
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.190
- David: Always good to see
01:07:10.190 --> 01:07:11.130
you.
01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:12.060
- Jay: Always, friend.
01:07:12.060 --> 01:07:13.000
- Jay: Always, friend.
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.090
- Jay: Well, joining us
01:07:19.160 --> 01:07:22.160
in Washington, D.C.,
01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:23.230
is Jason Jimenez.
01:07:23.230 --> 01:07:24.260
He's the founder of
01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:25.250
Stand Strong Ministries.
01:07:25.250 --> 01:07:27.080
He's a pastor, apologist,
01:07:27.080 --> 01:07:28.100
national speaker.
01:07:28.100 --> 01:07:29.060
Has a great new book out, "Stand
01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:30.290
Strong America," subtitled,
01:07:30.290 --> 01:07:32.280
"Courage, Freedom,
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.030
and Hope for Tomorrow."
01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:35.020
This is a very important book.
01:07:35.020 --> 01:07:36.290
We're gonna talk about this book
01:07:36.290 --> 01:07:37.210
with Jason.
01:07:37.210 --> 01:07:38.120
Welcome to the broadcast.
01:07:38.120 --> 01:07:39.030
Thrilled to have you on.
01:07:39.030 --> 01:07:39.230
- Jason: Jay, thank you for
01:07:39.230 --> 01:07:40.130
having me.
01:07:40.130 --> 01:07:41.020
- Jay: All right, let's talk
01:07:41.020 --> 01:07:41.230
about, first, the book,
01:07:41.230 --> 01:07:43.060
"Stand Strong America."
01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:44.130
Right now as we're in
01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:45.150
Washington, D.C., there is so
01:07:45.150 --> 01:07:46.170
much going on here in
01:07:46.170 --> 01:07:47.110
the United States,
01:07:47.110 --> 01:07:48.100
around the world.
01:07:48.100 --> 01:07:49.170
One of the things you talk about
01:07:49.170 --> 01:07:50.090
in the book is the fact that we
01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:51.270
are a nation that's founded on
01:07:51.270 --> 01:07:53.050
Judeo-Christian principles
01:07:53.050 --> 01:07:54.110
so this seems to be being lost
01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:55.180
in America today.
01:07:55.180 --> 01:07:57.050
Talk about the importance
01:07:57.050 --> 01:07:58.020
of that.
01:07:58.020 --> 01:07:58.230
- Jason: Well, Jay, first
01:07:58.230 --> 01:07:59.260
it's an honor to be with you,
01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:00.280
representative of a protector of
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.120
our freedom, to be here talking
01:08:02.120 --> 01:08:04.060
about this stuff in our capital,
01:08:04.060 --> 01:08:05.160
it's powerful.
01:08:05.160 --> 01:08:06.160
And, like you said, in the book,
01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:07.240
"Stand Strong America," that's
01:08:07.240 --> 01:08:08.230
just Christians in general but
01:08:11.160 --> 01:08:13.000
as Americans all over this great
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.270
country of ours, we need to
01:08:14.270 --> 01:08:16.120
stand strong and one way to do
01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:18.130
that is we gotta get back to
01:08:18.130 --> 01:08:19.180
how this nation was founded.
01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:21.020
Nowadays, you know, with
01:08:21.020 --> 01:08:22.000
the revisionists, with this
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:22.290
movement, the militant
01:08:22.290 --> 01:08:24.010
secularism, they're trying to
01:08:24.010 --> 01:08:25.110
remove not just in historical
01:08:25.110 --> 01:08:26.210
surroundings but also
01:08:26.210 --> 01:08:28.070
in our documents.
01:08:28.070 --> 01:08:29.030
You know, I just was spending
01:08:29.030 --> 01:08:30.000
some time with David Bardon and
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.070
going back to original founding
01:08:31.070 --> 01:08:33.010
documents that they wrote, their
01:08:33.010 --> 01:08:34.190
prayers, their Bibles, and
01:08:34.190 --> 01:08:35.280
there's this movement that's
01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:37.230
trying to remove people, you
01:08:37.230 --> 01:08:39.070
know, really, this belief stuff
01:08:39.070 --> 01:08:40.210
that our founders believed in.
01:08:40.210 --> 01:08:42.130
So we are--we're talking about
01:08:42.130 --> 01:08:44.070
establishing once again,
01:08:44.070 --> 01:08:46.170
Judeo-Christian ethics back
01:08:46.170 --> 01:08:48.140
into the system, in education,
01:08:48.140 --> 01:08:49.230
higher court, et cetera.
01:08:49.230 --> 01:08:51.000
- Jay: You know, it's
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:51.170
interesting because one of
01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:52.120
the great tragedies in America
01:08:52.120 --> 01:08:53.240
civic life right now
01:08:53.240 --> 01:08:55.130
is political correctness.
01:08:55.130 --> 01:08:57.030
Political correctness
01:08:57.030 --> 01:08:58.030
has reached, in my view, such
01:08:58.030 --> 01:08:59.100
a significant proportion
01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:00.250
that you can't even talk about
01:09:00.250 --> 01:09:01.200
the fact that as a nation,
01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:03.010
if you look at our
01:09:03.010 --> 01:09:03.240
Declaration of Independence,
01:09:03.240 --> 01:09:04.290
if you study our documents,
01:09:04.290 --> 01:09:06.060
the charters of America, so
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:07.230
to speak, that we were founded
01:09:07.230 --> 01:09:09.080
in this inherent belief that
01:09:09.080 --> 01:09:10.280
the God of providence arranged
01:09:10.280 --> 01:09:13.060
for us in America to live
01:09:13.060 --> 01:09:15.090
in the land of freedom and hope.
01:09:15.090 --> 01:09:16.270
And if you lose that freedom and
01:09:16.270 --> 01:09:17.290
hope, and lose the foundation of
01:09:17.290 --> 01:09:19.070
that freedom and hope, I think
01:09:19.070 --> 01:09:20.170
you're really shortchanging
01:09:20.170 --> 01:09:21.140
a generation.
01:09:21.140 --> 01:09:22.180
- Jason: Yeah, you are and
01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:23.140
that's what we're seeing.
01:09:23.140 --> 01:09:24.130
That's exactly what we're seeing
01:09:24.130 --> 01:09:25.140
and then yet we get blamed for
01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:26.200
it but, again, as you stated and
01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:28.020
if we look at the--and we talk
01:09:28.020 --> 01:09:29.110
about this in the book, Jay,
01:09:29.110 --> 01:09:30.070
and it's so vitally important.
01:09:30.070 --> 01:09:31.210
And we wanted to condense it.
01:09:31.210 --> 01:09:33.000
We didn't want it to be
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:33.250
overwhelming because most people
01:09:33.250 --> 01:09:35.030
don't read these days.
01:09:35.030 --> 01:09:36.040
And one of the things we focus
01:09:36.040 --> 01:09:37.160
on and not just in the book but
01:09:37.160 --> 01:09:39.050
also in our ministry, Jay,
01:09:39.050 --> 01:09:40.190
is biblical literacy.
01:09:40.190 --> 01:09:42.150
But we also have Americans who
01:09:42.150 --> 01:09:43.290
are constitutionally illiterate.
01:09:43.290 --> 01:09:45.060
You know, I went by before
01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:46.060
the interview to pray outside
01:09:46.060 --> 01:09:47.100
the Supreme Court and there was
01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:48.190
a guy passing by and he was
01:09:48.190 --> 01:09:50.070
on Facetime and he was showing
01:09:50.070 --> 01:09:51.200
somebody the Supreme Court.
01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:52.180
He says, "I think this is
01:09:52.180 --> 01:09:53.290
the Supreme Court."
01:09:53.290 --> 01:09:54.210
He didn't even know what
01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:55.110
building it was.
01:09:55.110 --> 01:09:56.090
And you know, and I'm thinking,
01:09:56.090 --> 01:09:57.160
"This is where we're at today."
01:09:57.160 --> 01:09:58.250
So they don't even know who our
01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:00.160
current elected officials are,
01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:01.250
let alone the founding fathers
01:10:01.250 --> 01:10:02.270
and what they believed.
01:10:02.270 --> 01:10:03.210
- Jay: You know, it's
01:10:03.210 --> 01:10:04.110
interesting so we're in
01:10:04.110 --> 01:10:05.050
a political season right now,
01:10:05.050 --> 01:10:05.280
obviously.
01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:06.210
And as we--any time you're
01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:08.060
selecting a president, this
01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:09.010
comes around every 4 years,
01:10:09.010 --> 01:10:09.280
I always tell people, you know,
01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.280
I'm not telling people who to
01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:12.230
vote for, how to vote, but vote.
01:10:12.230 --> 01:10:14.190
Because we're one of
01:10:14.190 --> 01:10:15.190
the countries where you get
01:10:15.190 --> 01:10:16.160
to do that.
01:10:16.160 --> 01:10:17.080
So you--we, in a sense,
01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:18.210
Americans have no excuse to
01:10:18.210 --> 01:10:20.090
not be engaged in politics, to
01:10:20.110 --> 01:10:23.110
not be engaged in the culture.
01:10:23.110 --> 01:10:24.230
I always say this, though.
01:10:24.230 --> 01:10:25.220
And I believe this firmly.
01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:27.030
That as important as engagement
01:10:27.030 --> 01:10:28.270
in political life is and you
01:10:28.270 --> 01:10:30.080
talk about the Supreme Court.
01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:31.020
I spent a good--I mean, the last
01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:32.010
26 years of my life at
01:10:32.010 --> 01:10:33.120
the Supreme Court
01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:34.210
of the United States.
01:10:34.210 --> 01:10:35.190
But the fact is, politics never
01:10:35.190 --> 01:10:37.130
raised anybody from the dead.
01:10:37.130 --> 01:10:38.260
That doesn't mean we're not
01:10:38.260 --> 01:10:39.210
supposed to be engaged in it.
01:10:39.210 --> 01:10:40.180
Doesn't mean we're supposed to--
01:10:40.180 --> 01:10:41.270
We know where the hope
01:10:41.270 --> 01:10:42.270
comes from.
01:10:42.270 --> 01:10:43.190
So I'm always very, very
01:10:43.190 --> 01:10:45.020
clear on that.
01:10:45.020 --> 01:10:46.020
You have a section called,
01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:48.070
"God and Country: A True Story."
01:10:48.070 --> 01:10:49.210
Tell me about it.
01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:50.150
- Jason: Well, that's--all the
01:10:50.150 --> 01:10:51.240
things that we're talking about,
01:10:51.240 --> 01:10:52.170
Jay, is if you go back,
01:10:52.170 --> 01:10:53.260
the founders would not have
01:10:53.260 --> 01:10:54.240
built this great nation
01:10:54.240 --> 01:10:55.230
of ours if you look
01:10:55.230 --> 01:10:56.280
even at the colonies.
01:10:56.280 --> 01:10:57.160
The colonies that existed
01:10:57.160 --> 01:10:58.150
prior to.
01:10:58.150 --> 01:10:59.230
You look at the Constitutional
01:10:59.230 --> 01:11:00.160
Convention.
01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:01.060
All the make-up, you know,
01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:02.100
fighting off the Redcoats,
01:11:02.100 --> 01:11:03.280
all these things, all these
01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:05.000
miraculous things, it was God
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:06.110
who supernaturally not only
01:11:06.110 --> 01:11:08.150
directed but it was the founders
01:11:08.150 --> 01:11:10.170
in a lot of these colonies are
01:11:10.170 --> 01:11:11.180
looking to the governors
01:11:11.180 --> 01:11:13.020
at the time, looking to God,
01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:14.260
looking for direction, looking
01:11:14.260 --> 01:11:15.280
to propagate Christianity.
01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:17.040
I don't make the case in
01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:18.020
the book, nor should we, that
01:11:18.020 --> 01:11:19.150
America is a Christian nation
01:11:19.150 --> 01:11:21.030
but it has certainly
01:11:21.030 --> 01:11:22.040
a Christian heritage.
01:11:22.040 --> 01:11:22.280
And this nation would not exist
01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.180
if it wasn't for God.
01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:25.220
And not only that,
01:11:25.220 --> 01:11:26.150
but a belief in natural law.
01:11:26.150 --> 01:11:27.210
That's the important factor and
01:11:27.210 --> 01:11:29.070
then most people have no clue.
01:11:29.070 --> 01:11:30.200
I go around teaching churches
01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:31.250
all over this great nation
01:11:31.250 --> 01:11:32.220
of ours.
01:11:32.220 --> 01:11:33.130
And most of 'em can't even
01:11:33.130 --> 01:11:35.010
describe what I mean by
01:11:35.010 --> 01:11:36.130
natural law.
01:11:36.130 --> 01:11:37.090
- Jay: You know, it's
01:11:37.090 --> 01:11:38.070
interesting you talk about
01:11:38.070 --> 01:11:39.040
an understanding of our
01:11:39.040 --> 01:11:39.250
Judeo-Christian heritage,
01:11:39.250 --> 01:11:40.200
the impact that Christianity
01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:41.190
and, for that matter, a true
01:11:41.190 --> 01:11:42.260
Judeo-Christian heritage,
01:11:42.260 --> 01:11:45.000
had in this country.
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.060
I had the unique experience of
01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:48.250
arguing a case involving
01:11:48.250 --> 01:11:49.260
a Ten Commandments display
01:11:49.260 --> 01:11:51.080
at the Supreme Court
01:11:51.080 --> 01:11:52.080
of the United States
01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:53.020
not that long ago.
01:11:53.020 --> 01:11:54.000
And we won the case unanimously
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.040
which is, you know, shocking in
01:11:55.040 --> 01:11:56.060
religious liberty litigation but
01:11:56.060 --> 01:11:57.220
one of the things I pointed to
01:11:57.220 --> 01:11:59.000
was the Supreme Court of
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.110
the United States itself
01:12:00.110 --> 01:12:01.110
which has multiple references
01:12:01.110 --> 01:12:02.180
to the Ten Commandments
01:12:02.180 --> 01:12:03.290
in the building,
01:12:03.290 --> 01:12:04.170
including in the Supreme Court
01:12:04.170 --> 01:12:06.030
where I'm arguing the case, as
01:12:06.030 --> 01:12:07.260
I'm looking at the camera, to my
01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:09.070
right would be, if you all are
01:12:09.070 --> 01:12:10.240
out there that are watching are
01:12:10.240 --> 01:12:11.270
the Justices, to my right would
01:12:11.270 --> 01:12:13.100
be a depiction of Moses engraved
01:12:13.100 --> 01:12:15.200
in the marble, holding
01:12:15.200 --> 01:12:18.090
the Ten Commandments with
01:12:18.090 --> 01:12:19.100
the words written in Hebrew.
01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:20.250
There's no question that it was
01:12:20.250 --> 01:12:21.230
not the Bill of Rights.
01:12:21.230 --> 01:12:22.210
That was the Ten Commandments.
01:12:22.210 --> 01:12:24.100
But we've lost the sense of
01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:25.250
the awe-inspired nature of what
01:12:25.250 --> 01:12:28.230
has made America unique.
01:12:28.230 --> 01:12:31.060
You know, we talk about American
01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:32.020
exceptionalism.
01:12:32.020 --> 01:12:32.260
I mention this all the time.
01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:33.290
I'm the grandson of a Russian
01:12:33.290 --> 01:12:35.040
immigrant.
01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:35.250
My grandfather came
01:12:35.250 --> 01:12:36.200
to the United States,
01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:37.070
to Ellis Island.
01:12:37.070 --> 01:12:38.070
He was a fruit peddler in
01:12:38.070 --> 01:12:39.040
Brooklyn, New York, and his
01:12:39.040 --> 01:12:40.180
grandson gets to argue cases at
01:12:40.180 --> 01:12:41.180
the Supreme Court
01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:42.130
in the United States.
01:12:42.130 --> 01:12:43.030
There are not many countries
01:12:43.030 --> 01:12:44.020
where you can say that.
01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:44.270
So I always wanna offer people
01:12:44.270 --> 01:12:46.200
hope.
01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:48.030
I mean, we can list the problems
01:12:48.030 --> 01:12:49.100
and there are many that
01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:50.160
the country's facing right now,
01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:51.090
the tragedies that are going on
01:12:51.090 --> 01:12:52.180
in the cities, the--it's
01:12:52.180 --> 01:12:54.070
significant, the terrorism
01:12:54.070 --> 01:12:55.080
that we're witnessing on
01:12:55.080 --> 01:12:57.000
a now--almost to the point of
01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.060
making us numb to the fact that
01:12:59.060 --> 01:13:01.080
this kind of terror
01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:02.100
and hatred would be out there.
01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:03.130
But we know that the hope
01:13:03.130 --> 01:13:04.090
is in Jesus Christ.
01:13:04.090 --> 01:13:05.240
I mean, there's no doubt
01:13:05.240 --> 01:13:06.140
about that.
01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:07.040
But let's talk about how you're
01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.080
offering hope through your
01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:09.160
writings, through your ministry,
01:13:09.160 --> 01:13:10.260
through the new book,
01:13:10.260 --> 01:13:12.020
"Stand Strong."
01:13:12.020 --> 01:13:12.200
- Jason: Well, Jay, I
01:13:12.200 --> 01:13:14.070
appreciate that because I think
01:13:14.070 --> 01:13:15.030
we can spend a lot of time,
01:13:15.030 --> 01:13:16.150
especially as you say politics.
01:13:16.150 --> 01:13:17.190
Politics doesn't save.
01:13:17.190 --> 01:13:18.240
But when you get the right
01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:19.290
people who can legislate
01:13:19.290 --> 01:13:21.020
the right morality to protect
01:13:21.020 --> 01:13:22.180
the civility of mankind
01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:24.100
and we see that throughout
01:13:24.100 --> 01:13:25.140
the course of America.
01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:26.140
But in our book, even though
01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:27.220
we address--there are several
01:13:27.220 --> 01:13:28.240
chapters talk about America
01:13:28.240 --> 01:13:29.200
is dying.
01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:30.140
America isn't sick.
01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:31.200
America at this phase now,
01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:32.190
is dying.
01:13:32.190 --> 01:13:33.110
And one of the main reasons as
01:13:33.110 --> 01:13:34.150
you go back to Proverbs 14:34,
01:13:34.150 --> 01:13:36.290
righteousness is what exalts
01:13:36.290 --> 01:13:38.070
a nation.
01:13:38.070 --> 01:13:39.110
And sin that reproaches
01:13:39.110 --> 01:13:40.070
the people.
01:13:40.070 --> 01:13:41.010
We're seeing more and more sin,
01:13:41.010 --> 01:13:42.040
not just in our capital, but in
01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:43.180
our families, in our churches,
01:13:43.180 --> 01:13:44.280
et cetera.
01:13:44.280 --> 01:13:45.260
And despite that, God in his
01:13:45.260 --> 01:13:48.010
great mercy for us is still
01:13:48.010 --> 01:13:49.200
sending his Holy Spirit
01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:50.250
radically throughout this
01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:52.040
country, changing lives.
01:13:52.040 --> 01:13:53.220
The gospel's being preached, but
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:55.090
as we--as our--and you know,
01:13:55.090 --> 01:13:56.290
Jay, better than anybody and I
01:13:56.290 --> 01:13:58.140
admire you so much in your fight
01:13:58.140 --> 01:13:59.210
in this capital and beyond, like
01:13:59.210 --> 01:14:01.220
you said, before the Supreme
01:14:01.220 --> 01:14:02.260
Court, we have Christians like
01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:04.080
you and others who are standing
01:14:04.080 --> 01:14:05.250
strong in their faith and
01:14:05.250 --> 01:14:07.100
they're also giving opportunity
01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:08.280
for other people to come out of
01:14:08.280 --> 01:14:10.040
their shell, to come out of
01:14:10.040 --> 01:14:11.160
their darkness and not be
01:14:11.160 --> 01:14:12.260
cowards in the workplace but to
01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:14.030
stand strong because there is
01:14:14.030 --> 01:14:15.200
hope that God wants to use you
01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:16.280
right where you're at.
01:14:16.280 --> 01:14:18.100
And like you said, even simply
01:14:18.100 --> 01:14:19.220
voting, being informed, being
01:14:19.220 --> 01:14:21.230
educated, praying for your
01:14:21.230 --> 01:14:23.050
nation--your elected officials,
01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:24.240
this nation, people can stand
01:14:24.240 --> 01:14:26.160
strong despite the fact they can
01:14:26.160 --> 01:14:27.210
look at the stuff and, you know,
01:14:27.210 --> 01:14:29.070
it gets overwhelming, like
01:14:29.070 --> 01:14:30.040
you said.
01:14:30.040 --> 01:14:30.240
All these terrorist attacks,
01:14:30.240 --> 01:14:31.160
it gets overwhelming.
01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:32.090
But we--God is using us
01:14:32.090 --> 01:14:33.100
despite all this.
01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:34.140
- Jay: Well, here's the thing
01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:35.110
and I know this audience,
01:14:35.110 --> 01:14:36.110
our family here at TBN,
01:14:36.110 --> 01:14:37.270
will know this.
01:14:37.270 --> 01:14:38.180
My kids, we're--are adults
01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:39.230
and they have kids.
01:14:39.230 --> 01:14:40.160
I mean, I'm a grandfather turned
01:14:40.160 --> 01:14:41.110
60 this year.
01:14:41.110 --> 01:14:43.120
This audience watched my kids
01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:44.170
grow up, Jordan and Logan, and
01:14:44.170 --> 01:14:47.020
now they're both involved in
01:14:47.060 --> 01:14:50.060
very significant work for
01:14:50.060 --> 01:14:52.040
the betterment of, I think, not
01:14:52.040 --> 01:14:53.170
only here in the United States,
01:14:53.170 --> 01:14:54.250
but around the world.
01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:55.220
Jordan's a lawyer, Logan heads
01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:56.240
up all of our media.
01:14:56.240 --> 01:14:57.260
And the fact is that there is
01:14:57.260 --> 01:14:59.140
this generation of young people
01:14:59.140 --> 01:15:00.250
that are committed to the truth,
01:15:00.250 --> 01:15:02.010
committed to preserving
01:15:02.010 --> 01:15:03.020
the truth and committed
01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:03.270
to proclaiming it.
01:15:03.270 --> 01:15:05.040
And we tend to think that
01:15:05.040 --> 01:15:06.080
proclaiming a message of hope
01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:07.210
is somehow not politically
01:15:07.210 --> 01:15:08.100
palatable.
01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:09.200
But look at what's being
01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:11.040
bombarded the other way.
01:15:11.040 --> 01:15:12.080
That's what I tell people.
01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:13.110
Look what's being bombarded
01:15:13.110 --> 01:15:14.040
at you, at your kids,
01:15:14.040 --> 01:15:15.210
at your grandkids.
01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:16.190
And say to yourself,
01:15:16.190 --> 01:15:17.250
"Is that the country
01:15:17.250 --> 01:15:18.260
I want them growing up in?"
01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:20.010
And then on top of that,
01:15:20.010 --> 01:15:21.140
as you just said, Jason,
01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:22.210
you add the terrorism issues
01:15:22.210 --> 01:15:24.060
which are significant.
01:15:24.060 --> 01:15:25.110
You've gotta offer real hope,
01:15:25.110 --> 01:15:27.170
though.
01:15:27.170 --> 01:15:28.130
We've gotta have real hope.
01:15:28.130 --> 01:15:29.160
- Jason: Yes, you have to have
01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:30.090
hope.
01:15:30.090 --> 01:15:30.290
And just watching right now.
01:15:30.290 --> 01:15:31.280
Anybody watching, Jay, is to let
01:15:31.280 --> 01:15:33.190
them know that despite what's
01:15:33.190 --> 01:15:35.060
going on because we in our human
01:15:35.060 --> 01:15:36.290
nature are inclined to look at
01:15:36.290 --> 01:15:38.150
the bad and look at the evil and
01:15:38.150 --> 01:15:39.290
get overwhelmed and get scared.
01:15:39.290 --> 01:15:40.270
And that's where Satan wants us
01:15:40.270 --> 01:15:42.070
to be.
01:15:42.070 --> 01:15:43.000
He wants us to be in fear.
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.070
Our message in this book and in
01:15:44.070 --> 01:15:45.140
our ministry and out there as
01:15:45.140 --> 01:15:47.150
a Christian witness is God can
01:15:47.150 --> 01:15:48.290
use you where you're at and
01:15:48.290 --> 01:15:50.080
that's the hope that we have.
01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:51.060
- Jay: The bells of Washington,
01:15:51.060 --> 01:15:52.120
D.C. You know, we are in our
01:15:52.120 --> 01:15:53.240
nation's capital
01:15:53.240 --> 01:15:54.200
but I need to say this.
01:15:54.200 --> 01:15:56.010
We're in Washington, D.C.
01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:57.210
And people say it's
01:15:57.210 --> 01:15:58.230
the political capital.
01:15:58.230 --> 01:15:59.270
It is the most important
01:15:59.270 --> 01:16:01.040
political capital in the world,
01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:03.080
if you just look at it from
01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:04.070
a political standpoint.
01:16:04.070 --> 01:16:05.140
What happens in
01:16:05.140 --> 01:16:06.070
the United States of America
01:16:06.070 --> 01:16:07.070
impacts every other country
01:16:07.070 --> 01:16:08.090
in the world.
01:16:08.090 --> 01:16:09.020
I mean, every other country in
01:16:09.020 --> 01:16:10.240
the world.
01:16:10.240 --> 01:16:11.270
There are a lot of countries
01:16:11.270 --> 01:16:13.080
that have big capitals that are
01:16:13.080 --> 01:16:15.010
strong political powers but
01:16:15.010 --> 01:16:15.270
the United States of America,
01:16:15.270 --> 01:16:17.070
we've been uniquely positioned,
01:16:17.070 --> 01:16:18.200
I believe by God's grace, to
01:16:18.200 --> 01:16:20.240
engage so many of these things.
01:16:20.240 --> 01:16:22.240
Let's talk about
01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:23.260
"A More Perfect Union."
01:16:23.260 --> 01:16:25.290
You talked about a more perfect
01:16:25.290 --> 01:16:27.130
union because we said, you know,
01:16:27.130 --> 01:16:28.130
there's a lot of strife
01:16:28.130 --> 01:16:29.150
right now.
01:16:29.150 --> 01:16:30.050
There's a lot of unrest.
01:16:30.050 --> 01:16:31.030
There's a lot of unrest in
01:16:31.030 --> 01:16:31.290
our inner cities.
01:16:31.290 --> 01:16:33.160
There's a lot of unrest
01:16:33.160 --> 01:16:34.040
on our campuses.
01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:34.250
This is the--it's palpable,
01:16:34.250 --> 01:16:37.030
the tension that people feel.
01:16:37.030 --> 01:16:38.180
You talk about this in chapter
01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:40.040
9, "A More Perfect Union."
01:16:40.040 --> 01:16:41.230
- Jason: Yeah, well, that
01:16:41.230 --> 01:16:42.240
phrase alone, as you and I know,
01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:43.230
comes from the Constitution.
01:16:43.230 --> 01:16:44.250
And sadly, Jay, we don't
01:16:44.250 --> 01:16:47.080
understand what the founders
01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:48.090
were trying to intend.
01:16:48.090 --> 01:16:49.150
And building these checks and
01:16:49.150 --> 01:16:51.090
balances, if you will, on our
01:16:51.090 --> 01:16:52.090
three-branch system, it was to
01:16:52.090 --> 01:16:53.290
establish a more perfect union.
01:16:53.290 --> 01:16:55.280
The more moral and civil and
01:16:55.280 --> 01:16:57.200
righteous and informed we are,
01:16:57.220 --> 01:17:00.240
the better that union will be.
01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:02.100
And so we're always striving for
01:17:02.100 --> 01:17:03.290
that but right now we're in
01:17:03.290 --> 01:17:05.100
a period of time in history, not
01:17:05.100 --> 01:17:06.210
like our--not that we've never
01:17:06.210 --> 01:17:08.070
been here before, but we're
01:17:08.070 --> 01:17:09.120
losing that more perfect union.
01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:10.290
And we need to fight for that
01:17:10.290 --> 01:17:12.170
and one of the biggest ways to
01:17:12.170 --> 01:17:14.080
get there is religious freedom.
01:17:14.080 --> 01:17:16.150
Our first freedom.
01:17:16.150 --> 01:17:17.110
And we're losing that right now.
01:17:17.110 --> 01:17:18.230
- Jay: Well, you know, here's
01:17:18.230 --> 01:17:19.160
my--let me give you my take on
01:17:19.160 --> 01:17:21.180
the religious freedom issue.
01:17:21.180 --> 01:17:22.120
I think if you look over
01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:23.050
the last--if you look over 50
01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:25.120
years, for the first 25 years
01:17:25.120 --> 01:17:27.180
the church was asleep.
01:17:27.180 --> 01:17:28.280
So it allowed religious freedom
01:17:28.280 --> 01:17:30.080
to just kind of unravel.
01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:31.150
Then in the last 25 years,
01:17:31.150 --> 01:17:32.290
it--the church and others
01:17:32.290 --> 01:17:35.090
have become much more engaged
01:17:35.090 --> 01:17:36.120
in these issues.
01:17:36.120 --> 01:17:38.020
So we're winning the battle
01:17:38.020 --> 01:17:38.270
in the courtroom.
01:17:38.270 --> 01:17:40.050
But you can't just win it in
01:17:40.050 --> 01:17:41.000
the courtroom.
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:41.240
You've gotta win it in
01:17:41.240 --> 01:17:42.230
the court of public opinion.
01:17:42.230 --> 01:17:43.200
You've gotta win it in
01:17:43.200 --> 01:17:44.150
the hearts and minds of
01:17:44.150 --> 01:17:45.130
the American people.
01:17:45.130 --> 01:17:46.060
And by the way,
01:17:46.060 --> 01:17:46.220
it says a more perfect union.
01:17:46.220 --> 01:17:47.260
It doesn't say it will be
01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:48.150
a perfect union.
01:17:48.150 --> 01:17:49.130
I mean, Ben Franklin famously
01:17:49.130 --> 01:17:50.180
said when asked by a woman as
01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:52.000
he came out in Philadelphia,
01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.050
"What do we have,
01:17:53.050 --> 01:17:53.290
Mr. Franklin--Dr. Franklin?"
01:17:53.290 --> 01:17:55.080
"A republic,
01:17:55.080 --> 01:17:56.160
if you can keep it."
01:17:56.160 --> 01:17:57.170
And the fact is,
01:17:57.170 --> 01:17:58.220
we have a great history.
01:17:58.220 --> 01:18:00.100
We've had problems in our
01:18:00.100 --> 01:18:02.000
history.
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:02.220
We're not a perfect union
01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:04.100
but we're always seeking
01:18:04.100 --> 01:18:05.160
to be a more perfect union.
01:18:05.160 --> 01:18:07.140
And I think the founders
01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:08.040
utilized that words, those
01:18:08.040 --> 01:18:09.270
words, intentionally, knowing
01:18:09.270 --> 01:18:11.170
that we're not gonna be perfect.
01:18:11.170 --> 01:18:12.170
And there's been plenty in our
01:18:12.170 --> 01:18:13.230
history that's not perfect.
01:18:13.230 --> 01:18:15.020
But there's not another--
01:18:15.020 --> 01:18:16.070
I've litigated all over
01:18:16.070 --> 01:18:17.080
the world, Jason.
01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:18.000
I mean, I've litigated
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:18.210
all over the world.
01:18:18.210 --> 01:18:19.120
I--there's no place I'd rather
01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:20.070
be fighting for justice,
01:18:20.070 --> 01:18:22.120
thinking that I can actually
01:18:22.120 --> 01:18:23.180
obtain justice, than
01:18:23.180 --> 01:18:24.130
the United States of America.
01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:25.160
- Jason: Yeah.
01:18:25.160 --> 01:18:26.140
Well, and I was gonna say too,
01:18:26.140 --> 01:18:27.100
Jay, and you're right, that's
01:18:27.100 --> 01:18:28.210
why we need to keep fighting
01:18:28.210 --> 01:18:30.080
and not give up.
01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:31.010
A lot of people say,
01:18:31.010 --> 01:18:31.180
"You know what?
01:18:31.180 --> 01:18:32.100
You know, how do you like this
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:33.180
election coming up right now?"
01:18:33.180 --> 01:18:34.170
People look at it in the eyes of
01:18:34.170 --> 01:18:35.220
the two candidates and say,
01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:37.070
you know, "What's the lesser
01:18:37.070 --> 01:18:38.110
of the two evils?"
01:18:38.110 --> 01:18:39.040
And both would say, "Well,
01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:40.000
they're too evil for me to even
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.040
vote for so I'm not even gonna
01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:42.000
show up."
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:42.210
I believe that that is
01:18:42.210 --> 01:18:43.210
a way--it's a cop out to say
01:18:43.210 --> 01:18:45.170
I'm not gonna show up.
01:18:45.170 --> 01:18:46.120
I don't really necessarily care.
01:18:46.120 --> 01:18:47.200
If you're gonna be waiting for
01:18:47.200 --> 01:18:48.290
the perfect candidate or waiting
01:18:48.290 --> 01:18:50.110
for the perfect government,
01:18:50.110 --> 01:18:51.120
you're gonna keep on waiting.
01:18:51.120 --> 01:18:52.120
- Jay: Look, I mean, politics,
01:18:52.120 --> 01:18:53.040
you know, as Kuiper said,
01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.280
you know, politics never raised
01:18:54.280 --> 01:18:56.000
anybody from the dead.
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.050
I didn't come up with that on
01:18:57.050 --> 01:18:58.010
my own.
01:18:58.010 --> 01:18:58.200
It's Abraham Kuiper,
01:18:58.200 --> 01:18:59.220
the well-known theologian, came
01:18:59.220 --> 01:19:00.190
up with this and it's right.
01:19:00.190 --> 01:19:02.210
But that doesn't mean
01:19:02.210 --> 01:19:03.170
not be engaged.
01:19:03.170 --> 01:19:04.110
Because these guys were heavily
01:19:04.110 --> 01:19:05.150
engaged in the body politic.
01:19:05.150 --> 01:19:06.140
And we're never gonna tell
01:19:06.140 --> 01:19:07.140
anybody how to vote but I always
01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:08.140
tell people to vote.
01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:09.090
Republican, democrat,
01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:10.070
independent,
01:19:10.070 --> 01:19:11.010
exercise your franchise.
01:19:11.010 --> 01:19:12.010
Men and women have died
01:19:12.010 --> 01:19:13.170
defending that franchise.
01:19:13.170 --> 01:19:15.040
To not exercise
01:19:15.040 --> 01:19:16.100
it would be horrible.
01:19:16.100 --> 01:19:17.040
I think, a dereliction of
01:19:17.040 --> 01:19:18.090
our duty as citizens of
01:19:18.090 --> 01:19:19.240
the United States of America.
01:19:19.240 --> 01:19:21.020
You talk about waking up
01:19:21.020 --> 01:19:23.210
the church.
01:19:23.210 --> 01:19:24.130
Now, I'm a lot older than you
01:19:24.130 --> 01:19:25.190
but I will tell you this.
01:19:25.190 --> 01:19:26.290
We've been talking about
01:19:26.290 --> 01:19:28.080
this for 30 years.
01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:29.180
And I do think--I see pastors,
01:19:29.180 --> 01:19:31.150
I see churches, I see religious
01:19:31.150 --> 01:19:33.160
institutions, faith-based
01:19:33.160 --> 01:19:34.140
groups, more engaged now than
01:19:34.140 --> 01:19:35.140
they have been.
01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:36.110
Not to the level they need to be
01:19:36.110 --> 01:19:37.110
but more engaged.
01:19:37.110 --> 01:19:38.100
What are you seeing?
01:19:38.100 --> 01:19:39.020
- Jason: Yeah, I would say, I
01:19:39.020 --> 01:19:40.210
mean, I've been, surprisingly
01:19:40.210 --> 01:19:41.260
since Arizona days, where I grew
01:19:41.260 --> 01:19:44.120
up, Jay, for the last 20 years
01:19:44.120 --> 01:19:46.150
been working with families and
01:19:46.150 --> 01:19:47.170
millennials is really my
01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:48.150
passion.
01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:49.130
And what I'm seeing is I'm
01:19:49.130 --> 01:19:51.040
seeing a wake-up like you said
01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.220
and--but there's sexual sin.
01:19:52.220 --> 01:19:54.160
There has been people who have
01:19:54.160 --> 01:19:56.110
gone asleep recently.
01:19:56.110 --> 01:19:57.190
We're putting a rally together
01:19:57.190 --> 01:19:58.170
with a very well-known
01:19:58.170 --> 01:19:59.170
organization that's involved in
01:19:59.170 --> 01:20:00.250
conservative politics.
01:20:00.250 --> 01:20:02.130
And many of the churches look at
01:20:02.130 --> 01:20:04.180
the issue of this religious
01:20:04.180 --> 01:20:06.040
freedom, this bathroom deal.
01:20:06.040 --> 01:20:07.170
I'm from North Carolina so
01:20:07.170 --> 01:20:08.110
the whole HB2 thing has been
01:20:08.110 --> 01:20:09.160
blown up the last few months.
01:20:09.160 --> 01:20:10.270
So we've definitely been
01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:12.020
engaging those issues a lot with
01:20:12.020 --> 01:20:13.080
the non-discrimination ordinance
01:20:13.080 --> 01:20:14.070
issues that are all over
01:20:14.070 --> 01:20:15.060
the country.
01:20:15.060 --> 01:20:15.280
And so Charlotte got hit with
01:20:15.280 --> 01:20:17.080
it, along, you know, 2 years ago
01:20:17.080 --> 01:20:18.170
and then just recently.
01:20:18.170 --> 01:20:19.220
And a lot of the churches did
01:20:19.220 --> 01:20:20.270
not want to touch that side.
01:20:20.270 --> 01:20:23.070
So I get that side.
01:20:23.070 --> 01:20:24.040
But I'm also seeing a lot of
01:20:24.040 --> 01:20:26.050
churches and a lot of other
01:20:26.050 --> 01:20:27.200
denominations gathering together
01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:29.140
and being unified and waking up
01:20:29.140 --> 01:20:31.110
to how God can use 'em more
01:20:31.110 --> 01:20:33.080
effective in their communities
01:20:33.080 --> 01:20:34.090
and banding together.
01:20:34.090 --> 01:20:36.060
I am very hopeful, not just
01:20:36.060 --> 01:20:37.020
currently but, Jay, I will say
01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:38.200
this.
01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:39.220
And I believe in the power of
01:20:39.220 --> 01:20:40.260
the Holy Spirit coming upon this
01:20:40.260 --> 01:20:41.280
next generation.
01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:42.250
I believe a lot of the
01:20:42.250 --> 01:20:43.190
millennials that are currently
01:20:43.190 --> 01:20:44.190
in ministry, doing church
01:20:44.190 --> 01:20:46.040
plants, doing mission work or,
01:20:46.040 --> 01:20:47.140
right now, asleep and in debt in
01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:50.000
their, you know, the student
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:51.050
loans and university, God is
01:20:51.050 --> 01:20:51.280
calling this generation to wake
01:20:51.280 --> 01:20:53.050
up the church.
01:20:53.050 --> 01:20:54.010
And so I think in the next few
01:20:54.010 --> 01:20:54.280
years we're gonna see a revival.
01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:55.260
- Jay: I'm, actually,
01:20:55.260 --> 01:20:56.180
I'm optimistic.
01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:57.240
I look at--you take the issue of
01:20:57.240 --> 01:20:59.140
life and I grew up in--you know,
01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:01.270
I defended Operation Rescue.
01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:03.130
The folks that are watching this
01:21:03.130 --> 01:21:04.170
saw me defend it 'cause TBN ran
01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:06.130
it for years when we were
01:21:06.130 --> 01:21:07.210
in court on these cases,
01:21:07.210 --> 01:21:08.220
defending the right to life.
01:21:08.220 --> 01:21:09.270
We in a real way and
01:21:09.270 --> 01:21:11.150
a significant way have won that
01:21:11.150 --> 01:21:13.100
issue because of millennials.
01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:14.150
They view it now as
01:21:14.150 --> 01:21:15.130
a human rights issue.
01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:16.070
Other issues, not so much but
01:21:16.070 --> 01:21:17.110
on the life issue I think
01:21:17.110 --> 01:21:18.230
there's been clear progress.
01:21:18.230 --> 01:21:19.180
You talk about waking up.
01:21:19.180 --> 01:21:20.260
The millennials also, because I
01:21:20.260 --> 01:21:23.130
work with a lot of millennials,
01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:24.280
I'm kind of a grandfather of
01:21:24.280 --> 01:21:26.000
millennials, I call it,
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:26.240
or father of millennials.
01:21:26.240 --> 01:21:28.280
But the fact is,
01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:29.220
it is a generation.
01:21:29.220 --> 01:21:31.070
Every generation's called to a
01:21:31.070 --> 01:21:32.160
unique and distinct purpose.
01:21:32.160 --> 01:21:33.270
I believe that.
01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:34.160
We talk about the World War II
01:21:34.160 --> 01:21:35.100
generation being the greatest
01:21:35.100 --> 01:21:36.100
generation.
01:21:36.100 --> 01:21:37.040
And I think for what they were
01:21:37.040 --> 01:21:38.100
facing, the World War II
01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:40.040
generation was the greatest
01:21:40.040 --> 01:21:41.030
generation but that doesn't mean
01:21:41.030 --> 01:21:42.180
that this generation doesn't
01:21:42.180 --> 01:21:43.220
also have to be the greatest
01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:44.280
generation because as difficult
01:21:44.280 --> 01:21:46.210
as it was in World War II,
01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:48.070
the scope and nature of what
01:21:48.070 --> 01:21:50.040
we're dealing with now
01:21:50.040 --> 01:21:50.210
is just as complex.
01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:51.230
Maybe more so.
01:21:51.230 --> 01:21:52.290
So waking up that generation or
01:21:52.290 --> 01:21:55.290
getting that generation engaged,
01:21:55.290 --> 01:21:57.150
I spent a lot of time on that
01:21:57.150 --> 01:21:58.140
as well.
01:21:58.140 --> 01:21:59.080
I think it's important.
01:21:59.080 --> 01:21:59.290
You talk about the role in
01:21:59.290 --> 01:22:01.050
restoring America's true
01:22:01.050 --> 01:22:02.190
greatness, that each of us have
01:22:02.190 --> 01:22:03.150
a role to play.
01:22:03.150 --> 01:22:04.150
And that's something I talk
01:22:04.150 --> 01:22:05.090
about a lot.
01:22:05.090 --> 01:22:06.020
That we each have a--I think,
01:22:06.020 --> 01:22:08.260
a mandate to engage.
01:22:08.260 --> 01:22:10.120
What are you talking about in
01:22:10.120 --> 01:22:11.040
that chapter of your book?
01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:11.290
- Jason: Yeah, I think, Jay,
01:22:11.290 --> 01:22:12.220
along with all the people
01:22:12.220 --> 01:22:14.020
listening and watching, that
01:22:14.020 --> 01:22:15.020
they know what you guys, ACLJ,
01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:17.130
stands for and we're right there
01:22:17.130 --> 01:22:18.190
with you.
01:22:18.190 --> 01:22:19.090
Restoring the greatness of
01:22:19.090 --> 01:22:20.150
America is not just a tagline.
01:22:20.150 --> 01:22:22.240
What it's saying is that we
01:22:22.240 --> 01:22:24.090
gotta get back to God, using
01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:25.210
our spiritual gifts, uniting
01:22:25.210 --> 01:22:27.130
together, loving each other,
01:22:27.130 --> 01:22:29.010
being effective, living out the
01:22:29.010 --> 01:22:30.110
gospel, proclaiming the gospel,
01:22:30.110 --> 01:22:31.160
utilizing what these founding
01:22:31.160 --> 01:22:33.070
documents from declaring our
01:22:33.070 --> 01:22:34.100
independence to establishing
01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:35.290
a more perfect union like we
01:22:35.290 --> 01:22:37.130
talked about, to then having
01:22:37.130 --> 01:22:38.270
these rights that are God-given.
01:22:38.270 --> 01:22:40.210
And utilizing those in a way to
01:22:40.210 --> 01:22:42.220
make greater impact
01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:44.120
and, like you said,
01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:45.290
our history is very short.
01:22:45.290 --> 01:22:47.150
We'll talking less than
01:22:47.150 --> 01:22:48.050
300 years.
01:22:48.050 --> 01:22:48.250
But yet what God has done in
01:22:48.250 --> 01:22:50.080
these 300 years is magnificent,
01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:52.040
it's powerful.
01:22:52.040 --> 01:22:52.240
When you look throughout
01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:53.160
civilization and the more that I
01:22:53.160 --> 01:22:55.100
teach this kind of stuff in the
01:22:55.100 --> 01:22:56.110
church, people are blown away.
01:22:56.110 --> 01:22:58.210
They didn't realize and, you
01:22:58.210 --> 01:23:00.050
know what?
01:23:00.050 --> 01:23:00.250
I will say this too.
01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:01.210
Going back to greatness is, I
01:23:01.210 --> 01:23:03.010
believe a lot of these people
01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:04.260
who are elected officials, Jay,
01:23:04.260 --> 01:23:06.040
that are actually listening once
01:23:06.040 --> 01:23:07.200
again to God's anointed,
01:23:07.200 --> 01:23:09.080
to God's ordained ministers.
01:23:09.080 --> 01:23:10.180
Because our founders were
01:23:10.180 --> 01:23:11.220
heavily influenced by great
01:23:11.220 --> 01:23:13.050
preachers of God's Word.
01:23:13.050 --> 01:23:14.110
And I'm saying if we get back to
01:23:14.110 --> 01:23:16.120
God, get back to his Word, and
01:23:16.120 --> 01:23:18.140
understand how this nation has
01:23:18.180 --> 01:23:21.180
been established and been made
01:23:21.180 --> 01:23:23.070
for a purpose, you will start
01:23:23.070 --> 01:23:25.030
seeing great things again.
01:23:25.030 --> 01:23:25.270
I think the millennials are
01:23:25.270 --> 01:23:26.210
gonna take that charge.
01:23:26.210 --> 01:23:27.140
- Jay: I believe that.
01:23:27.140 --> 01:23:28.090
You know, I, in a book I
01:23:28.090 --> 01:23:29.040
recently wrote, I talked about
01:23:29.040 --> 01:23:30.050
the three R's, you know,
01:23:30.050 --> 01:23:31.080
in schools we always said
01:23:31.080 --> 01:23:33.000
everything by three this and
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:34.170
three that, it was kind of rote.
01:23:34.170 --> 01:23:36.000
But it was resist, reform,
01:23:36.150 --> 01:23:39.150
restore.
01:23:39.150 --> 01:23:40.140
When you've got opposition or
01:23:40.140 --> 01:23:41.210
a law or a bill or an issue that
01:23:41.210 --> 01:23:43.230
you think is wrong or impacts
01:23:43.230 --> 01:23:45.270
your ability to be who you're
01:23:45.270 --> 01:23:47.020
supposed to be, God's called you
01:23:47.020 --> 01:23:48.140
to be, you resist.
01:23:48.140 --> 01:23:50.080
Then you seek to reform it so at
01:23:50.080 --> 01:23:52.220
the institutions--we're staring
01:23:52.220 --> 01:23:54.030
at the nation's Capitol.
01:23:54.030 --> 01:23:55.050
There needs to be reform inside
01:23:55.050 --> 01:23:57.040
our government and republican,
01:23:57.040 --> 01:23:58.110
democrat, independent, almost
01:23:58.110 --> 01:23:59.080
doesn't matter.
01:23:59.080 --> 01:24:00.040
It's we need a reformation
01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:02.000
inside of government.
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:03.040
And then once you've resisted
01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:05.110
and reformed it,
01:24:05.110 --> 01:24:06.170
you can restore it.
01:24:06.170 --> 01:24:07.130
And when we're talking about--
01:24:07.130 --> 01:24:08.090
I talk about restoring,
01:24:08.090 --> 01:24:09.000
I'm talking about restoring to
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.000
a true constitutional framework,
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.190
a framework where we actually
01:24:11.190 --> 01:24:13.060
believe what our founding
01:24:13.060 --> 01:24:14.100
documents say, that we have
01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:15.150
three branches of government,
01:24:15.150 --> 01:24:16.230
that they are co-equal, that
01:24:16.230 --> 01:24:18.080
we believe what the Declaration
01:24:18.080 --> 01:24:19.090
of Independence says.
01:24:19.090 --> 01:24:20.080
That we're endowed by
01:24:20.080 --> 01:24:21.020
our creator; not by government,
01:24:21.020 --> 01:24:22.070
but by our creator,
01:24:22.070 --> 01:24:23.120
with these inalienable rights,
01:24:23.120 --> 01:24:24.120
like liberty,
01:24:24.120 --> 01:24:25.130
the pursuit of happiness.
01:24:25.130 --> 01:24:26.030
That those are gifts from God,
01:24:26.030 --> 01:24:28.230
not guarantees
01:24:28.230 --> 01:24:29.260
from the government.
01:24:29.260 --> 01:24:30.170
The government's job is to
01:24:30.170 --> 01:24:31.130
defend and protect those rights
01:24:31.130 --> 01:24:32.180
but they don't originate
01:24:32.180 --> 01:24:33.190
with the government.
01:24:33.190 --> 01:24:34.160
So I look at that.
01:24:34.160 --> 01:24:36.060
Final statement I'd like
01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:37.060
you to talk about.
01:24:37.060 --> 01:24:38.080
You talk about hope,
01:24:38.080 --> 01:24:39.080
you're talking about working
01:24:39.080 --> 01:24:40.000
with the generation.
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:40.210
What's the biggest challenge?
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- Jason: I think the biggest
01:24:41.230 --> 01:24:42.260
challenge right now that we face
01:24:42.260 --> 01:24:43.280
to this generation is having
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.140
the actual conversation
01:24:47.140 --> 01:24:48.260
in community.
01:24:48.260 --> 01:24:50.040
I think if we, you know, we
01:24:50.040 --> 01:24:51.200
expect to reach millennials
01:24:51.200 --> 01:24:52.290
within the church walls, Jay, I
01:24:52.290 --> 01:24:54.020
don't think that's the answer.
01:24:54.020 --> 01:24:55.190
I think that you have to
01:24:55.190 --> 01:24:56.090
your generation, as well as
01:24:58.110 --> 01:24:59.210
grandparents but also adapting,
01:24:59.210 --> 01:25:01.260
making opportunity to have this
01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:03.190
type of conversation and being
01:25:03.190 --> 01:25:04.250
willing to have that
01:25:04.250 --> 01:25:05.190
conversation without being
01:25:05.190 --> 01:25:06.210
judgmental or having
01:25:06.210 --> 01:25:07.130
preconceived notions
01:25:07.130 --> 01:25:08.240
to this coming generation.
01:25:08.240 --> 01:25:10.130
Because look, there's a lot
01:25:10.130 --> 01:25:11.060
of self-entitlement, there's
01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:12.140
a lot of ignorance there.
01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:13.250
But there's some genuine
01:25:13.250 --> 01:25:14.290
authentic people that wanna
01:25:14.290 --> 01:25:16.040
have genuine conversation
01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:17.070
of substance that will lead
01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:18.070
to a more perfect union.
01:25:18.070 --> 01:25:19.160
- Jay: Do you have hope,
01:25:19.160 --> 01:25:20.060
though?
01:25:20.060 --> 01:25:20.240
You have great hope?
01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:21.100
- Jason: I have hope because
01:25:21.100 --> 01:25:22.010
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.
01:25:22.010 --> 01:25:23.220
- Jay: Do you find right now as
01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:25.250
you--I wanna close with this.
01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:27.110
Talk to--I want you to talk
01:25:27.110 --> 01:25:28.290
to the millennials
01:25:28.290 --> 01:25:29.230
that are watching.
01:25:29.230 --> 01:25:30.140
Tell them why they
01:25:30.140 --> 01:25:31.180
should be engaged,
01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:32.090
why they must be engaged.
01:25:32.090 --> 01:25:33.020
- Jason: Our prayer, you guys
01:25:33.020 --> 01:25:35.100
watching the show right now,
01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:36.020
if you're in your 20-something
01:25:36.020 --> 01:25:37.020
or you're a teenager and you're
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:38.110
struggling, you don't know
01:25:38.110 --> 01:25:39.130
what your identity is when this
01:25:39.130 --> 01:25:40.270
culture that we live in right
01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:42.010
now is trying to shape you,
01:25:42.010 --> 01:25:42.280
it's trying to brainwash you,
01:25:42.280 --> 01:25:44.000
don't buy into those lies.
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:45.020
God loves you.
01:25:45.020 --> 01:25:46.130
He sent his Son,
01:25:46.130 --> 01:25:47.210
the power of the Holy Spirit
01:25:47.210 --> 01:25:48.180
could come upon you.
01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:49.140
Despite what's happening
01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:50.130
with all the violence,
01:25:50.130 --> 01:25:51.200
with what's happening with ISIS,
01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:52.240
God can use you.
01:25:52.240 --> 01:25:54.010
If you want him to use you, pray
01:25:54.010 --> 01:25:55.250
right now and ask the Lord
01:25:55.250 --> 01:25:56.290
to come into your life and to
01:25:56.290 --> 01:25:58.040
empower you so that you could
01:25:58.040 --> 01:25:59.210
be the vessel of honor,
01:25:59.210 --> 01:26:00.260
sanctified and useful
01:26:00.260 --> 01:26:02.020
for the Master, prepared
01:26:02.020 --> 01:26:03.130
for every single good work.
01:26:03.130 --> 01:26:05.040
- Jay: The book by Jason
01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:06.000
is called "Stand Strong America:
01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:07.230
Courage, Freedom,
01:26:07.230 --> 01:26:08.250
and Hope for Tomorrow."
01:26:08.250 --> 01:26:09.230
It's been our pleasure having
01:26:09.230 --> 01:26:10.190
you on this broadcast.
01:26:10.190 --> 01:26:11.120
I will tell you something.
01:26:11.120 --> 01:26:12.070
You give me a lot of hope, you--
01:26:12.070 --> 01:26:13.070
- Jason: Thank you, Jay.
01:26:13.070 --> 01:26:14.040
God bless you.
01:26:14.040 --> 01:26:14.230
God bless you.
01:26:14.230 --> 01:26:17.110
- Jay: Well, that's gonna do it
01:26:19.090 --> 01:26:22.090
for the broadcast this evening
01:26:22.090 --> 01:26:23.120
from Washington, D.C. I hope
01:26:23.120 --> 01:26:25.140
this was a message of hope.
01:26:25.140 --> 01:26:27.170
I wanna thank all of our guests
01:26:27.170 --> 01:26:28.290
for participating in what I
01:26:28.290 --> 01:26:30.100
believe is not only an important
01:26:30.100 --> 01:26:32.100
program but gives us something
01:26:32.100 --> 01:26:33.280
to think about and pray about.
01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.290
And let's pray for those
01:26:35.290 --> 01:26:36.230
in authority, regardless
01:26:36.230 --> 01:26:38.100
of political party.
01:26:38.100 --> 01:26:39.090
Pray for those in authority.
01:26:39.090 --> 01:26:41.230
Pray for those in authority.
01:26:41.230 --> 01:26:43.210
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