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Andy Stanley - How Good Is Good Enough? (Part 1)

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Your Move with Andy Stanley | Andy Stanley - How Good Is Good Enough? (Part 1) | May 17, 2025

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Andy stanley: hey everybody, welcome to "your move," where we
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Help you make better decisions and live with fewer regrets.
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I'm andy stanley, and i'll be your guide.
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Now as you probably know, most people believe in some form of
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Heaven, and most people believe that good people go there, but
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Have you ever wondered how good is good enough?
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Are you good enough?
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Am i good enough?
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And how do we know?
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Stick around, and we will figure it out together right here on
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"your move."
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♪♪♪
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Andy: there's a story that was told of a sunday school teacher
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Who had a group of first graders, and he decided that he
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Wanted to explain to these first graders what they had to do to
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Go to heaven.
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But he decided before he did that, he wanted to know what
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They already knew, so he thought he would ask them a series of
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Questions to discover kind of where they were and their
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Understanding of heaven and what it took to go to heaven.
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So, he asked them the first question, he said, okay, kids,
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If i sold my house and my car, and had a big garage sale, and
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Gave all the money to the church, would that get me
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Into heaven?
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And all the kids went, "no."
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He said, alright, second question, if i cleaned the
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Church, if i cleaned the church, mowed the church lawn, and kept
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Everything neat and tidy, would that get me into heaven?
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All the kids are like, "no."
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He said, what about this?
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What if i'm kind to animals and give candy to children?
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Would that get me into heaven?
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And then the kids are like, "no."
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And he said, well, then how can i get into heaven?
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And the kid in the back stood up and said, "you gotta be dead."
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Anyway, now, you know this, because you're part of the
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Statistic, most americans believe in heaven.
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Most americans believe in some sort of afterlife, a good place,
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You know, and most americans, maybe because we're americans,
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Most of us believe we're going there.
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And there's a lot of mystery, a lot of questions, you know, a
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Lot of i'm not sure and i don't know about, don't ask me to
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Explain it too much, but there's just this general sense that
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There is something beyond this life, and we refer to it as
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Heaven, and it's a good place, and we just assume, you know,
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We're gonna go there.
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And most of us, or most people in america, the united states
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Especially, are confident it's just gonna work out.
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And the two assumptions that fuel this confidence that most
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Americans have, the two assumptions are these, that good
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People go to heaven, and the second assumption is i'm a
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Good person.
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I'm good enough for sure, right, for heaven?
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The good people go, bad people, who knows, don't wanna think
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About that, but good people go to heaven, i'm a good person,
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And i'm a busy person, and i'm sure somebody else has figured
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It out.
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I don't have a lot of time to give a lot of thought to that.
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Now, there are obviously some advantages to this way of
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Thinking, that, you know, good people go to heaven, i'm a
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Good person.
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There are several advantages.
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One advantage is this, that it's just or it's fair.
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I mean, it only makes sense that good people would go to a good
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Place, if there's a place to go to after this life.
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It's just, it's fair, good people should be rewarded for
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Being good in this life.
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And everybody, for the most part, knows what good is and
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Knows what bad is and knows how to be good.
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And this whole idea is embedded in just about every religious
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System in some version or another, with some variations.
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And, come on, everybody can't be wrong.
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Number two, here's another advantage.
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You make the cut, right, because you're a good person.
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In fact, compared to some people, you're amazing.
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I mean, you're an amazing person, and none of us like to
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Admit this, because we all hate judgmental people, we don't be
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Wanna be judgmental, but you know, in your quiet moments, in
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Your imaginary conversations with yourself, you know you're
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Better than...and you know you're better than...and you
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Know you're better than...i mean, you just meet some people.
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Now, you meet some people every once in a while and you're
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Thinking, like, wow, they're, like, an amazing person, but i'm
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At least good and i know i'm better than--okay, you don't say
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Those things out loud.
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We shouldn't say those things out loud, but you're a
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Good person.
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I mean, you're a really good person.
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In some cases, you're amazing.
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The third advantage is that this whole idea of good people go to
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Heaven, and you're a good person, and you're in, is that
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It supports the notion of a good god.
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You know, it's so interesting.
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There's virtually no theology of a bad god, that we believe in
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The beginning, a really bad god created the heavens.
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It's like, the moment people look up and think about god,
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There's some sense of, well, god is good, and the idea that a
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Good god would want good people in his good heaven, or this good
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Afterlife, it just makes sense.
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And then, the other advantage of this, and this is kind of sort
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Of a back door advantage to why this is a good way to think, is
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That the fear of not going to heaven should motivate people to
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Be good.
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In fact, the fear of an afterlife, or that there's some
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Cosmic someone watching, or keeping score, actually is
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Pretty motivating.
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There would be some kind of payoff, there would be some kind
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Of reward for being kind and good, and especially
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Sacrificing and giving and being generous and going the
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Extra mile.
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In fact, we've talked about this before.
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There's a sense of ought to that kind of hangs over all of us.
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Well, you ought to, but you ought to, and then you do things
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You ought not do and it violates your conscience, and these
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Aren't rules you made up, because if you were making up
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The rules of ought to, you'd just change the rules so you'd
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Never feel guilty, right?
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So, there's just this sense of ought to that hovers over all of
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Humanity, and so the idea that i'll be rewarded for doing what
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I ought to, especially when it costs me, and especially when i
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Didn't want to do it, you know, there's a payoff to being extra
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Nice and extra kind and extra self-control, so be good and
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You'll go to a good place.
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Now, the problem with the good people go to heaven thing is
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This, that most people who believe that, maybe you're one
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Of those people, chances are, you haven't given a lot of
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Thought, and i understand why you haven't given it a lot of
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Thought, because you're busy, and how can we know?
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And it just sort of hangs out over us, and again, everybody
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Can't be wrong, and this seems to be some sort of a
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Universal assumption.
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But on closer examination, or when you begin to scratch
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Beneath the comforting surface of, hey, i think good people go
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To heaven, and i'm a good person, the good people go to
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Heaven theory or idea, it breaks down quickly.
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In fact, 'cause you're gonna feel like i'm poking fun a
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Little bit, and i am, it actually becomes a little bit
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Absurd once you actually start to think about it.
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There's some unsettling realities
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If you decide to base your eternity, or we base our
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Eternity on this thought, this assumption, or this myth that
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Came from who knows where to begin with, and this is kind of
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A big one.
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The human race has no indisputable, agreed-upon,
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Divinely-revealed standard.
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So if there's a god that's gonna let us into heaven because we're
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Good, then god should have let us know what good is.
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There should be some universal, like, the whole world
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Understands this is good, this is bad, this is right, this is
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Wrong, this is good, this is evil.
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But there is no multigenerational, and that's
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The part we forget about.
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It's not just a snapshot of this generation, you know, in our
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Year, and you know, the modern world.
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There's no multi-generational, universal set of rules to
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Measure our behavior against.
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And all of you know enough history to know this.
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I mean, isn't it true, that the idea or the concept of justice
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And the concept of morality and the concept of good, it's been
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All over the map, historically, right?
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I mean, what was self-evidently good 500 years ago we think is
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Self-evidently evil now, based on our current western
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Understanding of the dignity of all people and our thoughts
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About slavery.
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Then i'm afraid that maybe nobody before the 16th century
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Went to heaven, except maybe slaves, because all over the
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World it was self-evident.
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I mean, it's like it was just a duh, it was just an assumption.
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Some people were born to own and to rule, other people were born
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To be owned and to be ruled over.
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I'm not talking about slavery in the united states, i'm talking
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About all over the world in every single culture there were
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Slaves, people were owned.
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Well, we think, goodness, what could be, pardon my grammar,
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What could be badder than that?
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I mean, you've done some bad things, but i mean, what could
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Possibly be worse than treating a human being as if they're a
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Possession, or treating a human being worse than you treat
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Your cattle?
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I would just think anybody that did any of that, or who even
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Acknowledged that that's an okay thing or a good thing or, you
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Know, i'm not rich enough to have slaves, but i hope one day
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I'm rich enough to have my own slaves, anybody who thought that
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Way or supported that way of thinking, i mean, that's
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So horrible.
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None of those people should go to heaven, should they?
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But if that's the case, before the 16th century, wow, who made
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It to heaven?
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My point is simply this, that good, isn't it true, good is a
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Moving target?
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It's a moving target culturally, it's a moving target
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Generationally, it's a moving target nationally, and if we're
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Real honest, it's a moving target personally, because there
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Are things that bother you now that didn't bother you in an
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Earlier time of your life, in your life.
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There are things that bother you in this season of life that you
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Consider bad, that once upon a time not only they did they not
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Bother you, you just thought they were good.
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So, how do we know what good is?
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It's constantly changing.
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There is no consensus.
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There's not even consensus in the world in this generation,
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Much less when you take into consideration
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Previous generations.
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Now, of course, some people wanna say, "wait, wait, wait,
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Andy, you're the pastor, you're the preacher, you should
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Know better."
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The bible, come on, andy, the bible tells us the standard.
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The bible gives us the standard.
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The bible tells us right from wrong and good and bad, and the
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Bible is the standard by which we should measure our behavior,
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And the bible tells us enough about good to know whether or
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Not we're good enough to go to heaven.
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But i don't advise you to use the bible, because if the bible
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Is the standard, you do not make the cut, okay?
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You know, sometimes people toss up, "well, the ten commandments,
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I try to keep the ten commandments."
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Now, nobody has these conversations with me anymore,
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Because i'm a pastor, nobody wants to talk to me about
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Important stuff, you know.
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But back when, you know, i was a student and i was in graduate
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School and i loved, you know, sort of finding these
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Conversations, and people toss out, "what about the
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Ten commandments?"
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And i would always say, "well, name them.
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So, you live by the ten commandments?"
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"well, i do my best to live by the ten commandments."
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"well, name them," and they couldn't name them if their
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Eternity dependent on it, and somehow they thought their
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Eternity depended on it.
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So, it's like, well, i keep the ten commandments.
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No, you don't, nobody in this room keeps the ten commandments,
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But that's okay to think that.
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As long as you don't know what they are, you know, it's easy to
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Think you keep them, right?
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The ten commandments shows up in the old testament book of
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Exodus, and in the book of exodus, the word "heaven" does
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Not appear anywhere in the entire book of exodus, except it
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Refers to the heavens like the sky.
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There is no correlation between the ten commandments or any of
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The laws given by god and going to heaven.
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In fact, the old testament doesn't have any theology of
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An afterlife.
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It's kind of sad.
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Everybody goes to sheol, everybody.
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See you in sheol, what's sheol?
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I don't know, it's just where you go.
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We don't know anything about it.
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That's the whole old testament, and yet in the old testament, we
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Find all these rules and all these laws, so the old testament
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Is no help, and the ten commandments are certainly no
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Help, because nowhere connected to the ten commandments is there
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If you keep these, here's what's gonna happen to you in
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An afterlife.
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Now, the new testament is actually worse, because the new
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Testament is full of stuff about heaven.
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In fact, in the new testament, there's more said about heaven
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Than any other ancient literature that talks about the
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Afterlife by far.
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There's so much about eternity and so much about heaven, but
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The new testament's a bit of a tease, because in the new
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Testament, if we're trying to find a way to work our way to
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Heaven, the message is good luck, you're doomed.
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I mean, here's what paul wrote, and paul was a great jew, he was
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A pharisee, he was like, paul was one of the goodest--
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I know it's not the right--really a word.
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He was one of the goodest of all the good people, and then he
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Becomes a jesus follower, and when he understands, you know,
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The message of jesus, and when he kind of gets a fuller picture
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Of eternity, here's what he wrote.
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He said, "there's no one righteous, not even one."
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There's no one good, not even one.
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He says, now, if you're not sure what i'm talking about, let me
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Tease it out for you.
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"therefore no one," that would be all of us ones, "no one will
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Be declared righteous in god's sight," by being good, "by the
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Works of the law."
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That if you find law in the bible, or if you find law
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Anywhere and you think if i can just keep these laws, and if i
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Can be consistent, that i'm gonna be declared righteous and
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Good enough for god.
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Paul says you're kidding yourself.
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And then there's this famous statement that many of us heard
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Growing up if you grew up around church.
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All have sinned.
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"for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory or the
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Presence of god."
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The bible does not, the bible does not provide us with the
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Standard of conduct that guarantees us heaven, even
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Though there's so much in the bible about heaven.
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In fact, it's just the opposite.
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So, the unsettling reality is we have no established standard.
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Now, there are some other problems with this, i'm gonna go
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Through these a little bit quicker.
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Second problem with the good people go to heaven is we don't
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Know what percentage of our actions have to be good to make
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The cut.
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Is it like a test?
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Like, you have to have 70% good, or is it 50% good, is it
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20% good?
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The point is, you have no idea.
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First of all, we don't even know what good is exactly, and we
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Don't know what percentage of our deeds have to be good to
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Make the cut to get to heaven.
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Nobody told us.
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And here's one, this is scary, at what age do our deeds
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Start counting?
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I hope somewhere past 50, right?
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I mean, right?
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I mean, when does god start saying start the ledger sheet?
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my goodness,
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I mean, when does it start?
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I mean, i know i'm kind of making fun, i'm kinda poking,
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But shouldn't we know?
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Come on, if heaven depends on this, shouldn't the formula and
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Shouldn't the system be a little bit clearer, right?
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Number three, you know, we don't know if thoughts and motives
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Count against this.
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Is it just what we do, or why we did what we did?
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How about this, according to the, you know, good people go,
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You could be out of time and not know it.
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You may have done so many bad things that you don't have
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Enough time to do enough good things to make up for your
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Bad things.
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I know, and you kind of chuckle, but we don't know.
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What if that's the case?
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And again, you don't even know how the bad things measured
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Against each other.
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I mean, you're thinking, well, this was super bad, this wasn't
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That bad, but you don't know, you're making that up.
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You may have done so many bad things that you do not have time
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To make up for them, and you don't even know if there's a way
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To make up for them.
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See, we think, well, my good outweighs my bad.
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Well, that's an interesting thought.
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First of all, you define what's good and bad, you decide what
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The scale looks like, and you decide which way it tips, but
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You have no idea if god even has a scale.
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There may be bad things you do that just, you're out, period,
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No matter how many good things you do.
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But what if you're out of time?
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You could be doomed and not know it, which means you're being
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Good for nothing.
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You're trying to be a good person, going, did you see it?
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Did you see it? did you see it?
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Could you not think about that? could you see it?
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And you could be doing all this good stuff for nothing, because
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It doesn't count because you've already done so many bad things.
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You say, "andy, this is kind of absurd."
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I know, you scratch beneath the surface of the good people go to
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Heaven idea, and it falls completely apart.
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And then here's another one.
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You could miss heaven by one good deed.
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I mean, there's gotta be a cut off, right?
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I mean, there's gotta be a group that's you were so close, sorry.
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I know it's kind of silly, oh, good.
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In other words, think about it.
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You were right on the edge.
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You were, i mean, the scale was tipping in your direction, and
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One infraction bumped you out.
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But here's the really big problem with the whole system,
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And i want you to think about this.
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If good people go to heaven, if there's some cosmic scale, if
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That's how it really works, if good people go to heaven but god
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Never took the time to explain to us what good is and how it
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Works, and if it's a percentage, do motives count, if all of that
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Is a complete mystery, and our eternity depends on it, well,
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Then god is not good.
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I mean, what do you call a teacher, what do you call a
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Teacher who doesn't give you any notes or any reading
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Assignments, just a final exam and never posts the date of the
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Final exam?
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You don't call that a good teacher.
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What about this, what about a road race?
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Like, you know, a race that you run in?
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What about a road race where the race officials don't post signs
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Marking out the path of the race?
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They don't even publicize the distance that you have to run,
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And they establish the finish line after the race has
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Already begun.
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That's not good, that's not fair, and that's not just.
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But if good people go to heaven, that's the situation.
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That's the situation.
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If good people go to heaven, then god is not good by the way
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We measure good.
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God is not just by the way we measure justice, and god is not
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Fair by the way we measure fairness, and our understanding
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Of goodness, justice, and fairness is the system that
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We're operating off of trying to earn our way to heaven.
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What if god has a very different view of goodness and justice
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And fairness?
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And what if he refused or failed to reveal that?
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Now, that's what some people believe.
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But the point is simply this, scratch beneath the surface,
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Examine this whole view carefully, and it becomes
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Absurd, it falls apart, it breaks down.
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We're supposed to be good so we can go be with a good god who
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Never defined the terms, who failed to tell us how good is
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Good enough.
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Because if god is good, if god is good the way we understand
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Good, he should show up.
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He should show up every generation or so and give us the
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Updated version of good, because come on, with technology, good
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Has changed.
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I mean, there are whole categories of crimes that didn't
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Exist 100 years ago or 500 years ago.
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I mean, the world is a different place, so this is
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Really important.
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It's really important, because how do we sleep at night?
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What do we say at funerals?
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I mean, when you do what i do, you're a little bit in the
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Funeral business, i've done hundreds, i guess, of funerals,
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All kinds of funerals.
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What do you say at funerals?
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Joe was a really good man.
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He was good enough for us.
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I hope he was good enough for heaven, let's pray.
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To the god who left us all spinning in the wind and
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Wondering where we stand in terms of eternity.
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What do we tell our children?
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What are we supposed to tell our children?
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I sort of looked around to find out what did people tell
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Their children?
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I ran across this article by a psychoanalyst and author,
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Erica komisar, i've never heard of her before, but i read this
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Fascinating article, and here's what she wrote.
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She said, "i am often asked by parents, 'how do i talk to my
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Child about death if i don't believe in god or heaven?'"
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Which she doesn't.
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"and my answer is always the same," she says, "lie," lie,
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Why lie?
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She says because, "the idea that you simply die and turn to dust
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May work for some adults," not many adults, by the way.
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"may work for some adults, but it doesn't help children."
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You ready for this?
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"belief in heaven helps them grapple with this tremendous and
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Incomprehensible loss."
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So we lie, we just make stuff up, just wishful thinking?
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And when we mourn, we don't mourn with hope, we mourn with i
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Don't know.
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Now, you're thinking, i know you're thinking and you're
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Having arguments with me in your head, there are options to the
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Good people go to heaven theory, right?
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Here's one, there's the god decides view.
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It's kind of god wills it, god just chooses.
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You're in, you're out, you're in, you're out.
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God just decides, and who are you to argue with god?
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It's like, well, i'd like to at least have a conversation.
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My eternity depends on it.
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How about my children?
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What do you mean i can't argue with god and talk to god?
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No, god just wills it.
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He chooses who he wills and he dooms who he wants to doom and,
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You know, that's the end of that.
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And then there's this view, these are my words, this isn't,
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Like, an official view, but this is what i call it.
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There's that you wouldn't recognize good if it bit
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You view.
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That is, that you are so depraved, that we're so depraved
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That we are deprived of the ability to even recognize good
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Or know good from evil.
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So, there's no point in god telling us the good that we have
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To do, because we're too depraved and deprived to even
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Recognize the good, and we don't have the power to do it.
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Now, according to jesus, good people don't go to heaven.
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According to jesus, it's the very opposite of what most
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People who believe there's a heaven actually think
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And believe.
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And the fact that jesus didn't believe that good people go to
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Heaven, that doesn't necessarily make it true, that's just what
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He taught, and that's what he said, and clearly it's what
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He believed.
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But at the same time, and here's the got you, here's the strange
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Thing, here's the sit up straight and pay attention,
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Here's the, wow, you know, that's something to consider.
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Jesus did not teach that good people go to heaven, but jesus
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Instructed his followers to be good, and more than that, to
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Do good.
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To be good and to do good to each other, and to be good and
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To do good to their enemies.
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Which means jesus believed we are capable of doing good, and
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Jesus believed that we're able to recognize the difference
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Between good and bad, good and evil.
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What's good for another person and what's not good for
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Another person.
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So, he instructed his followers to do good and to be good, even
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To the people who mistreat them.
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And he said here's how good i want you to be.
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I want you to be as good as my father in heaven, but not so
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You'll go to heaven.
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Nothing jesus taught, nothing jesus illustrated, nothing jesus
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Parableized points to the fact that somewhere there's a magic
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List, there's a list.
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And yet at the same time, he instructed his followers to be
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Good, and not only did he instruct them to be good, if
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You've read the sermon on the mount, he took good to a whole
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'nother level.
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He took good to such a level that the best people, the
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Goodest people, the pharisees and the teachers of the law,
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They found themselves condemned under jesus's teaching as not
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Even being good enough to keep their own laws, and yet never
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Once did jesus infer that if you're good enough, you'll spend
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Eternity in heaven.
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And then, you know the end of this story, the good people,
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Pharisees, teachers of the law, the law keepers, and the bad
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People, the romans, they conspired together and they
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Killed him.
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They crucified him.
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But he had the final word, because from the cross, it's so
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Amazing, from the cross, he said to a very bad man, "i will see
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You on the other side."
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If jesus is who his first-century followers claimed
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He is, that's really good news.
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You don't have to lie to your children.
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You don't have to lie to your grandchild.
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Let me tell you what's good news.
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And again, this is my world.
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When you lose a loved one, you can grieve with hope.
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You can full on grief with hope.
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I've done so many funerals, and most of the funerals i do, i'm
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Surrounded by jesus followers who grieve with hope.
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But i've done some gravesides, and i've done some funerals,
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Where it was all grief, very little hope.
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If good people go to heaven, and you have no idea how the system
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Works, there's not much hope.
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And yet, the followers of jesus stated clearly you can grieve
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With hope.
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If jesus was correct, god so loved the world.
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Daddy showed up and he didn't have to show up to every
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Generation to update the rules, he showed up one time to show us
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The way, to tell us the way, and then when jesus was questioned,
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As blasphemous as this was, he said, "fellas, i am the way."
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Instead of giving us a list, god gave us himself.
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"for god so loved the world that he gave us his one and only son,
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That whoever," behaves like him, that whoever behaves correctly,
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Whoever does more good than bad?
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No, this is why you gotta take jesus out of the equation, the
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Good people go to heaven equation.
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Whoever puts their trust in him, believes in him, that person
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Will not be lost to god, regardless of what they've done
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Or didn't do.
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Will not be lost to god, or your english text says, will not
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Perish, but they'll have something the old testament
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Never refers to in the context of life after death.
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You'll have eternal life.
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If jesus was correct, this is amazing, and let me tell you who
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Wrote this, okay?
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This is john.
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I say this all the time, but i'm gonna keep saying it.
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This is john who spent three-and-a-half years with
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Jesus, saw the the whole thing.
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John who took care of mary until mary passes away later.
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John tells us, look, i'm like peter, i'm like the rest of the
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Guys, i came into this story assuming that we had to keep the
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Law and we didn't know what happened after life.
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We know we all went to sheol, but we hope god sorted it out
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And there was something good, and there was gonna be a
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Resurrection someday, and there was gonna be a judgment, and we
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Hope we made it.
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But you know, there was no confidence, there was no
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Assurance, we were just doing the best we could, and then we
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Sat under the teaching of jesus for three-and-a-half years, and
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It was completely different, completely different, and here's
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What we learned.
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If jesus is correct, god is not trying to catch us doing wrong
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To condemn us, he says, "for god did not send jesus into the
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World," to catch people doing wrong, and to condemn people for
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Doing wrong, or to condemn the world, "but to save the world,"
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And john would tell us, and here's how he's gonna do it, not
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By updating a list every generation.
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He's gonna do it through him.
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That he only needed to come one time, because he didn't give us
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A to-do list, he gave us a who, and invited all of us to place
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Our trust in him, and that all of our evil and bad,
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Unintentional deeds, regardless of motive and upbringing and
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Context and everything else, that that would be paid for and
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Wiped away, so that we could mourn with assurance, that we
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Wouldn't have to lie to our kids, and so that you can lay in
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Bed at night and stare at the ceiling and know that things are
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Good between you and god and it has nothing to do
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With what you did.
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Andy: hey everybody, thank you so much for tuning in.
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Jesus because we're convinced following jesus will make your
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Life better and make the world a better place,
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Andy Stanley - How Good Is Good Enough? (Part 1)

May 17, 2025 | 28:29

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