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February 20, 2025

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- jesus said, "all power in heaven
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And on earth has been given to me.
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Now you go and i'll go with you."
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Our savior has done all the work
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And now we get to carry out our assignments from him
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With the promise that he is always with us.
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Come on, let's talk about it.
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(bright music)
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- we are here because we love jesus.
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We are here because he's transformed our lives.
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- right. - and we're here
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Because we know that he's the only one who can,
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And because we know that people are hungry
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For something that's real.
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The very first person i got to lead to christ
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Was a girl in my math class, fiona,
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Who didn't like me very much.
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- so cute. - it was such
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An eye-opener for me
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Because i had heard an evangelist speak before
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And he was very eloquent
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And just had a way of, he knew all the scriptures,
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He knew everything.
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And i remember when she eventually did say to me, "well,
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Okay, so what do i do if i want to be a christian?"
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I'm thinking, "oh no."
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- i don't know what to say. - i didn't do my homework.
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And so i just talked to her about the fact
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That, you know, she knew that my dad had died by suicide
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When i was five.
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And she knew that when i gave my life to jesus,
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That i now knew i had a heavenly father,
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So i knew there was a possible chance
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If your earthly father who once really loved you,
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Could then seem to hate you
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'cause he attacked me before he took his own life.
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I thought that was quite possible with god too.
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I thought i need to get this right.
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Because, you know, if i could live
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The perfect christian life,
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Then god will never stop loving me.
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- wow. - and i lived
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That way for years.
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And i remember that day in the math class thinking,
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"oh gosh, please don't let me get it wrong
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'cause this would just be devastating."
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But just sharing the very simple thing of what it looks like
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To love jesus, what it looks like
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To realize this isn't just a book,
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It's a living love letter.
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And what it's like to be able to talk to god
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Even when you think you stink at prayer,
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'cause i said that to her that day.
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I said, "honestly, i think i probably stink at prayer.
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But i think it's just like talking to your best friend."
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So from that point onwards, i went to seminary in london
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To train to be a missionary in india.
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I mentioned that because i couldn't think
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Of anything i would hate more.
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That seems ridiculous.
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But that was part of my deal with god.
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You know, i need to live a life
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That you're gonna think, "wow, look at her.
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That's brilliant."
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- wow. - so that god
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Would be impressed with me and not stop loving me.
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And i hated travel, i couldn't travel for more than five
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Or six miles without throwing up.
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And i don't like bugs, big bugs and snakes,
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And things like that. - any of them, yeah.
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- so that was my thing.
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"okay, lord, that's where i'm going."
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And you'll see how much i love you
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And god redirected my steps and i ended up working
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With youth for christ in europe.
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So i lived, first of all in holland,
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Then i lived in switzerland, then i came back
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And i lived in the uk.
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The one thing that seems consistent
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Through my whole life was this understanding of, you know
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What, it's just about telling somebody else the best news
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That you've ever heard- - that's right.
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- in your life.
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It's not about getting the right words.
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- that's right. - it's not about
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Remembering exactly where all the verses are or look,
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It can be very helpful. - yeah.
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- but it's simply telling somebody about the one
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Who's changed your life completely.
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- so when jesus was ascending to heaven, i mean he literally
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Levitated and flew up to heaven, quite a moment.
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And his last words to everybody were to go
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And make disciples of all the earth,
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Baptizing them in the name of the fathers,
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The son, the holy spirit.
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So that was the great commission.
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And the church has coined that and named it that.
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But ultimately, he was just giving us
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Our final instructions.
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He didn't want anybody to be confused.
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If you follow me, then you make disciples.
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And we think of making disciples
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As like an intense bible study over years or months.
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And i would just say, yeah, that certainly is part of it,
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But he was speaking to a group of people
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That were about the only believers on earth.
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So he was definitely encouraging them to go
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And make christians, like go and share about me
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And make me known to people.
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So i don't believe discipleship,
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You know, i don't know how that word got separated
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And to evangelism and discipleship,
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But it's really the same thing.
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It is giving god away.
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That's the language i use.
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You go give jesus away to any and everybody
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In any form that you can.
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For some of you, it will be teaching a five-year-old
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Sunday school at your church,
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And for some of you, it will be and should be for all of us,
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Constantly telling people that you run into about jesus
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Because he's so wonderful and you love him so much.
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So i believe all of us can be a part
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Of the great commission.
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We just have to take our little parts and also be strategic
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And make sure that we're discipling people
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Over the long haul as well.
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- my mom was a farm accountant, so i, she would do the books
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For the shepherds and the farmers.
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So i would get early access
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To see the lambs being born in the spring.
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And every now and again, a lamb would be born
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And the mother immediately reject it.
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And they call them bummer lambs.
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- oh.
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- so the shepherd, he has to intervene.
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If he doesn't take that little lamb into his house,
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The lamb will die not of hunger but of a broken spirit.
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It will literally give up the desire to live.
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- oh.
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- so the shepherd takes that little lamb into his home
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And he will feed it with a bottle, keep
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It warm by the fire.
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And at some point during the day,
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He'll hold that little lamb close to his heart
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So the lamb can hear a heartbeat.
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But this is the part i used to love.
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When the lamb's strong enough and grown enough,
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He'll go back with the rest of the flock.
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But in the morning, when the shepherd comes out in scotland,
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He'll stand at the edge of the field,
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They'll call "sheep, sheep, sheep."
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And the first ones to run to him are the bummer lambs
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Because they know his voice.
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- nope. - and they've been held.
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- and so my journey from trying to understand
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What does it look like to love your jesus
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Found me exactly where my dad ended his journey.
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I end up co-host of the 700 club,
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And i end up in a psychiatric hospital,
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Ready just to think i'm done.
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And the first night i didn't get into the bed,
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I took the blanket off the bed and i sat in the corner
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Of the room, 'cause i thought this morning i was trusted
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With a national television audience,
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Tonight i'm not trusted with my hair dryer.
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How does that happen in 12 hours?
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So, and i knew i was on suicide watch the first night
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And they check on you every 15 minutes.
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I sat in the corner with my head on my knees.
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I never looked up. i could tell someone was at the door.
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But at three o'clock in the morning, this person walked in
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And when i saw their feet by my feet,
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I looked up, looked like maybe a doctor going off duty.
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But he was holding something
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And he put it, he gave it to me,
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And it was a little stuffed lamb to some you give a child.
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- oh gosh. - he turned
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And he went back to the room and he stopped.
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He turned around and he said just one thing.
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He said, "sheila, the shepherd knows where to find you."
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And he was gone.
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I was there for a month, i never saw him again.
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I really believe it was an angel.
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But that was the moment when i realized,
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This isn't just something i do on a sunday.
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This isn't something i do to get through
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The worst prayers of my life.
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This is everything.
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This is that god loved me so much.
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- yeah. - and knew everything
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That was gonna happen to every one of us
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And sent jesus so that we could be picked up and held.
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I will be a bummer lamb
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Until the day i see jesus face to face,
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But it's not the bad news anymore.
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It's the best news in the world.
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And you've heard his voice,
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You'll never listen to anybody else.
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- yeah. - wanting anybody
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Who's listening in.
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- yeah. - no matter what stage
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Or place they're at in life to know you are so loved.
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It's like i underlined in my bible, psalm 34 that night,
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You know the lord is close to the broken hearted.
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- yeah. - saved those are christ
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In spirit, but i wrote in the back of my bible,
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I never knew you lived so close to the floor.
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So used to worshiping god in his majesty as we should,
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But i just want anybody who's watching who thinks,
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You know, i just don't measure up.
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If you find yourself on the floor.
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- yep. - he's so close.
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- yeah. - and when you're touched
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By that kind of love, it changes everything.
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- yeah. - it's not about
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Should i be evangelizing?
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Should i have a lead empty to jesus this year?
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It's like, let me tell you about the person
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That literally reached down and grabbed hold of me.
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- yeah. - and held me close
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Until i was strong enough to walk.
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And that to me is what we use the word evangelism,
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It's just telling the best news.
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- yeah. - that we've ever known
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In our life.
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I remember being probably about 16
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And a group of us from our church went to see a movie
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On the life of christ.
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I think it was maybe even one
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From the billy graham organization.
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And even though i knew the story, i grew up in church,
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I was a member of everything you could be a member of.
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When it came to the crucifixion scene,
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There was something about it that just absolutely,
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I felt i was the only one in the room.
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And i was so shaken by the obvious love of god for me.
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And at the end of the movie, all my friends left
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And i didn't leave.
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I stayed there.
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I just stayed there for a while.
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And basically my conversation was, lord,
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If you love us so much that you would be willing to do that
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And hang there by yourself
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Because you love us, then i wanna tell you right now
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That i am all in, you know,
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I wanna spend my life telling people about you.
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I wanna spend my life getting to know you more.
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I want to spend my life loving you.
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There's something about when you have those moments,
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When you suddenly begin to understand
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This great commission,
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That jesus didn't come just so that i could be saved
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And go to heaven.
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He came so that people could know
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There is a different way to live.
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And the fact that you and i get to be part of that,
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I mean, i started to just as a young school girl
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In scotland, sharing my faith in just little ways
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Because jesus said that we should.
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He told the disciples, remember starting judea, samaria,
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And to the uttermost parts of the earth, let people know.
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And you and i, we get to be part of that.
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- i think one of the greatest analogies
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That i've ever seen in ministry is, you know,
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And the preacher kind of has a ladder
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In the middle of the stage.
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And they're just talking about this idea
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That we just think we have to do so many things to get up
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To the ladder, up to the lord.
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We just have to get it right.
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We have to have a polished life.
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We have to be perfect so that we can get up this ladder
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And get to the lord when really,
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He quite literally positioned his son jesus
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To come down the ladder to us.
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- yeah. - and it is humbling.
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The bible talks about this idea of,
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It's just the good news, it's the gospel.
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It's the good news.
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And i think when you have good news,
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You can't help but share it.
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It's funny because i don't even call my ministry what i do,
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Like an assignment.
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You know, like it is tasked to me.
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It is my life.
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It is what the lord has done.
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It is his goodness.
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And it's this good news that i just can't help but share.
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Look at what he did.
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- yeah. - you know?
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- yeah, absolutely. - yeah.
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- and it's his love that compels us.
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- yes. - yes.
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- and that he loved us first,
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And we're so grateful for your story
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'cause there are so many people, we were those people
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Trying to work for jesus, trying to earn jesus' love.
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And it's this free gift of grace we couldn't earn
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Or deserve, but it's something he gave to us.
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- yeah. - and when you've been
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Set free by that love, it's that love that then compels you
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To tell other people.
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It's that freedom.
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And i was brought up in this rough area,
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So much drugs and crime,
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But the church was the light of the world for me.
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And i learned about family and hope
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And i saw the kind of life that i wanted to have
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And it wasn't because of the people.
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It's jesus and the people.
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- but i had taken so many beatings,
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Literal physical beatings.
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I always had bruises on me that i had to excuse
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And give reason for.
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I felt like with every beating, i lost a piece of me.
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And i had no confidence.
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I used to skip school so that i didn't have to speak,
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'cause the thought of the teacher asking me my name
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Caused me so much shame and fear,
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I would literally skip school
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If i thought it was a class i had to speak in.
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That's what i was like as a person.
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And then i heard this message about jesus.
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I mean, i'd heard it so many times,
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But you know when you like hear it-
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- hear it, hear it. - yeah. (laughs)
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- and you have that light-bulb moment where you're like,
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I'm the bummer lamb, look what the shepherd's done.
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The shepherd's given up his life.
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I heard that message, and suddenly it didn't matter
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If i was shy, broken, beaten, down.
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The love of jesus filled me up
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And the first thing i wanted to do
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Was the girl who couldn't speak, wouldn't speak,
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Wanted to hide, was ashamed, all the things that i had done.
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I lost my virginity when i was 13.
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This was normal where we lived.
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My friends were becoming mums at that age.
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Jesus set me free of all of those things.
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And the first thing i wanted to do
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Was go and tell people.
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(sheila laughing)
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This isn't a personality coming alive.
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This is the spirit of god- - that's right.
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- coming alive in a person. - that's right.
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- personality, that's good. - i wasn't even
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Thinking about it.
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- so good. - i joined youth for christ
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And i got to tell thousands
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And thousands of teenagers. - so good.
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- the girl who hid from her own teacher
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So she didn't have to speak
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Was standing in front of thousands of teenagers.
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- that's brilliant. - it's really good news.
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- it's the love of christ that compels us,
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Not just to preach the good news,
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But to be like trophies of the good news by grace.
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(gentle music)
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- i learned to steward my specific assignment
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Within ministry and all the things i get to do
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By practicing what a mentor of mine,
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Jeff henderson, calls the pendulum of confident humility.
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I'm trying to stay in the in between
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Of confidence and humility.
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Confidence that god is who he says he is
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And he is living on the inside of me
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And humility in my gifts and talents.
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Once i accessed a balance of those two,
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Then i was able to really, like, hold my assignment
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And not make it all about me and who i am
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And what i can do and my gifts and talents.
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And i think when people begin to notice that,
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The people around me begin to notice
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That, like, i'm completely surrendered.
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My assignment is completely surrendered.
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I'm confident in the lord, i'm humble in my gifts,
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Then i think they ask the question, "how do you do that?"
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And i get to step into those questions
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And say, "let me show you how.
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I surrender every single day.
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These gifts and talents,
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They can be taken away at any point,
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But my confidence in who god is is steady
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And wherever he's calling me to go, i will go."
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- guys, i am seminary trained.
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I have three years of a seminary degree.
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You could go in my closet,
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You could see all of my notebooks.
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Soteriology, angelology. you could see them all.
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I still feel inadequate. what is wrong with me?
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The gospel never was about knowledge.
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It was about life change.
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The gospel never was about knowledge.
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It was about understanding and encountering god.
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It was never about knowledge.
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Yes, you have to know the facts.
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You have to know that jesus died on a cross.
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You have to know that he forgave your sins with that blood.
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You have to know that he was raised from the dead.
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That's about it, guys. go share that.
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You can share that and that is the hope of the world.
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And people can't believe it. they really can't believe it.
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When i share the gospel with people,
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They're like, "there's got to be more.
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There's got to be more to it."
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And i'm like, "there isn't."
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Like, all your sins past, present,
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And future, forgiven.
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And they're like, "god, wait. that is insane.
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I didn't realize that's what christians believe."
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It's so simple, but we've complicated it.
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Don't complicate it. share the simple gospel.
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It is what changes lives.
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(gentle music)
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- i think sometimes we could over complicate it
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And think, "okay, i need to save my town,"
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Or, "i need to save my family,"
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Or, "i need a evangelism strategy.
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I need a program. i need..." you know.
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And although none of those things are bad things,
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But i think sometimes we forget
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That really our assignment is to steward
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The awe of god in us.
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When you think of the samaritan woman,
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She was saved for like 30 seconds
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And then she brought revival
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Into her town. (hosts laughing)
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You know what i mean? like she didn't get much training.
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- right, she just went for it.
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- right. she just went for it.
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- come running. - and it's simply
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She was stewarding this awe.
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Like, she had this encounter with jesus
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And from there it just came out of her.
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So i could imagine there's some that are thinking,
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"okay, how can i be an evangelist?
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How can i be a revivalist? how can i see this change?"
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I think first we need to reconsider where is your awe?
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You know, where is your awe and wonder
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And what is keeping you from that awe?
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I remember for myself, even though i was saved at 16,
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I went into the ministry when i was 19
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And i started preaching, i still had a lot
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Of my old wounds keeping me back, you know?
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And in a way keeping me
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From wanting to own my sense of calling.
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So i remember when my first youth group
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That i ministered in,
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I wouldn't even let them call me pastor
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'cause i was just too ashamed to accept it.
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You know,, it was just
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I didn't feel like i was worthy of it.
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And so feeling extremely disqualified, not really worthy
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Of that title of being a servant of god, right?
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But i remember there was this one trip
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That i went in panama actually,
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And it was this place called cucunati.
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And i remember when i was there,
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I'm sure it's different now,
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When i was there, there was just some wooden benches,
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You know, and just like a big space,
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But it was like an open heaven, you know?
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I mean, people's bodies were being healed.
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People were getting delivered.
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People were getting saved, you know?
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And it's funny 'cause i was there as like the christian,
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But then i'm like, i think i need to be receiving from you.
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But it's so funny because clearly
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The holy spirit was doing something.
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God was doing something.
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And even the teammates that i brought,
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I brought, that i was a leader of,
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They were dancing.
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They were, like, in the spirit, and i did not feel a thing.
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All i was carrying was just that shame, that guilt.
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- wow. - that my old self, you know,
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Even though i was a leader of the group,
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Like i just saw something's happening here,
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But it's somehow, i guess something's wrong with me
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'cause it wasn't hitting me, you know?
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And one hour, watching people dance,
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Two hours watching people dance.
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And after a while you're like, "come on, god."
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Like, you know, i was like, "let's wrap it up."
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But i remember feeling, so at the end of myself at a point,
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I went to the back corner of the sanctuary
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And i got down on my knees
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And i prayed one of the most honest prayers of my life,
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Which was, "god, i don't know
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If i could ever be who you want me to be."
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- wow. - like, i tried.
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I try my best to be someone that you could be proud of.
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But i don't know if i'll ever be that person.
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I don't think i'll ever be that person
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That's worthy of this mantle.
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I don't think i'll ever be that person
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That's qualified to do what i'm doing.
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I love you and i don't know if that's enough.
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And, you know, and that was just my prayer.
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And in that moment i felt this presence
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Like a blanket over me.
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And even though it was so loud in that room,
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It just kind of seemed quiet and still.
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And i heard him call my full name
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And he said, "faith eury." i was a kim back then.
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"faith eury kim, i love you anyways."
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And when i heard that it just, something happened,
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A filling happened
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That outweighed every pain.
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His presence just outshined, outweighed all of that
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And i remember i just broke free.
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And from then on, like, i just never,
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I mean, have i had weak moments
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Where i was afraid and all that?
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Sure. but that just changed so much.
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And i think sometimes a change that we're looking for
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To be this evangelist and revivalist,
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It can't come from us. (laughs)
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You know what i mean?
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To qualify for the assignment that god has given us,
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It can't come from us.
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It has to come from the holy spirit.
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When the apostles were preaching,
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Even the pharisees and sadducees were like,
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They took note that they have been with jesus.
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- something, yeah, they were with him.
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- like, they have been with jesus.
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And so my encouragement is like, hey,
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If you're trying to find the knowledge and the experience
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And the wherewithal to be able to do
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What you gotta do in you, you're not gonna find it.
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You're not gonna find it.
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You just have to be with jesus
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And allow the creator to create in you what you do not have.
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(gentle music) the real assignment
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That god has for us on this earth
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Is not to be great or to do great,
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But really it's to be a child of god
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And everything overflows from that identity.
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Because a child of god would obey.
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A child of god would trust.
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A child of god would follow the father,
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Even if it makes no sense.
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So i would say more than anything in the world,
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More than anything that you could offer,
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Be a child of god first.
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- i started thinking about john 11,
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And it's just the death of lazarus
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And jesus bringing him back from the dead.
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And i preached on it a couple weeks ago
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And had to do, like, a deep dive into commentary.
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And there was one part of the commentary
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That, like, shook my whole little core
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And all the theology that came around it.
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And it was this idea or this question of why wait four days?
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Why did jesus wait four days
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To raise lazarus from the dead?
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Why did he allow for mary
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And martha to grieve for that long?
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Like, why?
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Yes, you may have been in a different place,
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But we've seen you raise someone
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From the dead from a different place,
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So why didn't you just do that?
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Or why did you even go to this different place?
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When you got the news,
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You took two additional days to go minister,
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And then you came back, why four days?
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And i learned that there was this belief,
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This, like, ritual that when you died,
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Your spirit kind of hovered over your body for three days.
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That was this belief.
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It was like, "oh, okay, well if they can maybe
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Come back from the dead after day one or day two."
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But on the fourth day, your body was so decapitated,
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It was so nasty, as the king james version says,
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"it stinketh," okay?
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(panelist chuckling)
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So bad, there was just no hope.
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On the fourth day, hope had had left the room.
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And i just wonder if there's someone watching
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That is in the one-hour
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And the two hour-waiting, "lord, use me.
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I wanna be used. i wanna do something.
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Why are you making me wait?"
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And i just believe that sometimes
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God's love is behind the delay.
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- come on.
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- like, that's what you experienced.
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It's like, "lord, why am i feeling this way?
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And why am i staying here?
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Why is everyone else getting
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To go on 'better together'?
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Why does she get to write a book?
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Why does she have to have a podcast?
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What's wrong with me?
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Am i not close enough to you? i'm praying every day.
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I'm devoted. i love you."
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And i just think sometimes jesus' love is behind the delay.
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And i just can't help but think of the faith
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That was built when lazarus raised on the fourth day.
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That maybe it wouldn't have been
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The same faith on the second day.
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Maybe the faith that these people needed
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For their lives in this time,
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For their assignments, for their calling,
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For their mission, needed a four-day delay
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To build their faith.
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And i think it's made me a lot more patient with the lord
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Because again, i just would rather wait on the lord
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To tell me what to do, who to minister to,
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How to reach my family, how to reach my neighbors.
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I just would rather wait on him than to get ahead
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And not have the faith to sustain me
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To do it in the first place.
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(gentle music) - when we talk about faith
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And talk about the difference
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That god's love has made in our lives,
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I'm wondering if maybe you're thinking, "you know what,
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I don't think i really know this god."
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You know, maybe you've been to church
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Or you have a bible or someone's talked to you about it,
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But when it comes to a real personal relationship,
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'cause this is not about religion.
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Religion divides. this is about relationship.
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And it's a very simple thing.
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In fact, paul wrote to the church in roman,
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Here's what he said.
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In romans 10:9, he said this:
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"if you confess with your mouth
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That jesus is lord,
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And believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead,
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You will be saved."
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(gentle music) - and if that's you,
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If you're sitting there thinking,
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"you know what, i think i'm ready,
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I would love the privilege of praying with you",
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You can just pray a very simple prayer like this.
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Lord jesus, i do believe that you are the son of god.
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I do believe that you died.
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I do believe that you rose again from the dead.
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And i know i am a sinner,
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And i ask you to forgive me for my sin.
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Teach me to follow you for the rest of my life.
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I want to love you and i want to serve you.
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But i first of all thank you for loving me
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Before i ever knew you.
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In jesus' name, amen.
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And if you prayed that, tell somebody,
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And find a good church.
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Don't look for a perfect church
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'cause i'll probably be there.
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There's no such thing.
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Find a place where they love jesus,
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They love the word of god, and throw yourself in.
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What would you say to somebody
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Who has never led another person to christ?
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And the very thought of it is terrifying.
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- mm. - mm
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- i mean that's real, isn't it?
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- yeah, absolutely.
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- but i think it just begins with prayer
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And believing that god can use you
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And asking god to open my eyes, who is my neighbor?
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- right. - gimme an opportunity.
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And we all have the same 24 hours in the day.
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And it's like, are you gonna ride in an uber?
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- yeah. - is there gonna be
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An opportunity there?
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Are you gonna be in the grocery store?
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Is there an opportunity there?
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I was at the airport yesterday and i walked past a girl
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And i was like, well she looks like she's crying.
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And then i went to the restroom and i came out.
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I was like, oh, she is crying.
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God allowed me to see that opportunity.
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Not so that i walked past, but so i stopped.
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Does she wanna visit with me?
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Does she wanna talk with me?
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I can't control that, but god gave me eyes to see her.
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- absolutely. - yeah.
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- and i think that's what we need to encourage people,
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Is that you don't have to suddenly
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Become a version of yourself that you're not.
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- no. - yes.
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- but become so dependent on jesus.
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And what you said, just pray and take my eyes off of me.
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- mm. - mm.
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- think about how much mission we would be doing
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If we didn't think about ourselves
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And are we enough, are we qualified?
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I mean, some of the people that god chose,
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They were just like moses, like,
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I ain't speaking, i'm not doing it.
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Make aaron doing it.
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It's a very real thing to be afraid.
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- yeah. - yeah.
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- that's real, we're humans, we're like sheep.
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But just to pray those prayers.
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God, give me eyes to see- - yeah, i love that.
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Make me available, i wanna use every moment.
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And then i think you'll see the harvest
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Is literally right in front of you.
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- everywhere. it is.
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- and for me, it's not just even eyes to see.
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That's huge, but it's ears to hear
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Behind what somebody's saying
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To what might actually be going on.
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- yeah. - yeah.
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- that's a daily prayer of mine.
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I pray that every single day.
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And it really came from a conversation i had with a woman.
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I'd been speaking at a conference
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And i was at the back just hanging, talking to people.
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And this one woman kind of cut in.
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I mean, i'm listening to someone's story
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And this other woman cut in and she said,
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"i'm so sick of hearing about your perfect family".
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And i was like, "come home with me, see us in the morning.
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Not so perfect." (all laugh)
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But i mean i knew the holy spirit was saying,
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"no, there's a lot going on."
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So i said, "would you just hold on for a minute?"
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And i finished listening to the lady who i was with.
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And then i said this,
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"well, let's just go for a bit of a walk."
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So we went out of the arena and we just walked a little bit.
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And i said to her, "what happened to you?"
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- oh. - oh.
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- and at first i thought she was gonna deck me.
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(minister laughs) - right.
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- but she actually fell into my arms.
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She has buried two children. - oh.
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And it's like you talked about your son and i said...
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So i think, we've got to be different
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In how we hear people and how we see people.
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Make a daily prayer, "lord,
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Help me to hear what i'm gonna miss,
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What's not being said.
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Help me to see, you know,
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Beyond what seems to be apparent
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To what's actually going on."
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God loves to do that. - yeah.
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- i mean, i am the least likely person to be in ministry.
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I walked in my sleep till i was 18 years old.
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I mean, my mom had a gate built
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At the top of our stairs because i wasn't...
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My dad had tried to take my life before he took us on.
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And i would be hiding at the bottom of the toy closet.
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Or i'd get in the bath and i'd turn the water on.
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I mean, i was a mess.
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In our family, whenever you reached 16,
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My mom let us go on a school trip, paid for it.
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Sister went to switzerland.
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I can't remember where my brother went.
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I wouldn't go anywhere, 'cause i was scared of everybody.
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If anybody came into our house, any man,
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I went up and waited in my bedroom till they were gone.
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I'm the least likely.
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And god loves to take the least likely person-
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- yes he does, yes he does. - and say, come on.
00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:26.228
- come on, home girl. - come on.
00:28:26.228 --> 00:28:27.563
Just let me show you what we can do together.
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- yeah, yeah.
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- so i'm thinking of people who are listening in
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And listening to all your phenomenal stories
00:28:32.234 --> 00:28:34.069
And thinking, wow, i'm not like that.
00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:36.338
But that's great.
00:28:36.338 --> 00:28:37.273
Come as you are, be who you are.
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- right. - yes, right.
00:28:38.174 --> 00:28:39.708
- that's really important, and just see what god will do.
00:28:39.708 --> 00:28:42.511
- listen, if you don't feel qualified to share the gospel,
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I wanna encourage you. (gentle music)
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You are not the first person
00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:49.351
And you won't be the last person who felt that.
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What's unbelievable about the old and the new testament
00:28:52.087 --> 00:28:55.024
Is god chooses people for mission, to minister,
00:28:55.024 --> 00:28:59.094
And their lives have such purpose for the miraculous.
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But so often you find people like moses or gideon
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Are like, "i can't speak.
00:29:06.001 --> 00:29:07.703
I don't think you've got the right person",
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Because they don't feel they can do it on their own.
00:29:09.772 --> 00:29:12.341
But actually we're not doing it on our own,
00:29:12.341 --> 00:29:14.610
Because what happens, you are a people
00:29:14.610 --> 00:29:16.512
Who are filled with the spirit of god.
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I love, there's a verse in psalms and it says,
00:29:18.547 --> 00:29:20.950
"open your mouth wide and i will fill it".
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And i think that's what you have to do.
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:25.788
You have to approach it as this isn't me
00:29:25.788 --> 00:29:28.724
Using something i feel confident in,
00:29:28.724 --> 00:29:30.459
But this is me feeling vulnerable,
00:29:30.459 --> 00:29:32.261
Knowing that god is actually able to use me
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In my place of weakness.
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So what does that look like practically?
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It means first of all saying,
00:29:39.568 --> 00:29:41.003
God, would you give me your heart for your people?
00:29:41.003 --> 00:29:42.872
'cause when i have your heart for your people,
00:29:42.872 --> 00:29:45.107
I'm a lot more concerned about their souls
00:29:45.107 --> 00:29:47.376
And where they're going than i am about me
00:29:47.376 --> 00:29:49.511
And what they think of me.
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Another thing we can do is ask jesus,
00:29:51.113 --> 00:29:53.182
Would you give me the words to say.
00:29:53.182 --> 00:29:55.417
I do that all the time.
00:29:55.417 --> 00:29:56.952
So often i show up to things like this in complete weakness.
00:29:56.952 --> 00:29:59.488
I haven't arrived, i'm not mrs. confident,
00:29:59.488 --> 00:30:02.258
But i'm super dependent on jesus.
00:30:02.258 --> 00:30:04.860
And you can be the same, give me the words.
00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:07.229
And then just give me eyes to see.
00:30:07.229 --> 00:30:09.265
And god is so kind.
00:30:09.265 --> 00:30:11.166
He's probably not gonna ask you
00:30:11.166 --> 00:30:12.668
To stand up on the plane and preach to the whole plane.
00:30:12.668 --> 00:30:15.471
Be willing.
00:30:15.471 --> 00:30:16.572
But what he might do is just say,
00:30:16.572 --> 00:30:18.374
"how about the person next to you?"
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It could start off a conversation
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That feels so natural and so normal
00:30:21.543 --> 00:30:23.812
And the spirit of god ends up leading you
00:30:23.812 --> 00:30:25.547
To tell your story, 'cause your story matters.
00:30:25.547 --> 00:30:28.617
And if we are gonna fulfill
00:30:28.617 --> 00:30:29.785
The great commission on the earth,
00:30:29.785 --> 00:30:31.253
It takes every person standing up and being willing
00:30:31.253 --> 00:30:33.923
And god can and will use you.
00:30:33.923 --> 00:30:37.326
- i'm the girl that i feel like
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.195
I'm not qualified, i can't do it.
00:30:40.195 --> 00:30:42.131
But i think, (chuckles),
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What i love about mission and assignment
00:30:43.399 --> 00:30:46.535
Is at some point you really get over it
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(minister laughs)
00:30:48.837 --> 00:30:50.239
Because there's so many people that need this hope.
00:30:50.239 --> 00:30:52.141
- absolutely. - and so,
00:30:52.141 --> 00:30:53.309
I think that's what i've grown in,
00:30:53.309 --> 00:30:54.276
Is not like more self-assured.
00:30:54.276 --> 00:30:56.745
Instead, my view of the vision of god
00:30:56.745 --> 00:30:59.848
And the heart of god has grown
00:30:59.848 --> 00:31:01.317
To where i just don't care.
00:31:01.317 --> 00:31:02.685
Like, i don't care if it's good enough.
00:31:02.685 --> 00:31:04.219
I don't care if i should be there or shouldn't be there.
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They need god and i can give them god.
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Like, i can go do it. - you can do it.
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- and so i think that's why i love assignment.
00:31:11.927 --> 00:31:13.963
I really believe in hebrews 12 where it talks about,
00:31:13.963 --> 00:31:16.665
"run the race that is set before you,
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Throwing off the sin and the weight
00:31:18.434 --> 00:31:19.935
That so easily entangles, fixing your eyes on jesus."
00:31:19.935 --> 00:31:22.705
I think that's a simultaneous thing
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Because when you are running your race,
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Your sin and your weight kind of fall off.
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Like, you're not as selfish. - yeah, that's good.
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- [jennie] you know, you're just not as burdened.
00:31:32.247 --> 00:31:33.716
You don't wanna sin, you're running.
00:31:33.716 --> 00:31:35.384
- yeah. that's actually good.
00:31:35.384 --> 00:31:36.652
- and you fix your eyes on jesus,
00:31:36.652 --> 00:31:38.053
'cause you're out of breath, 'cause you need things,
00:31:38.053 --> 00:31:39.955
'cause you, help me god.
00:31:39.955 --> 00:31:41.523
Like, i really do think there's something
00:31:41.523 --> 00:31:43.392
Simultaneously happening in this,
00:31:43.392 --> 00:31:45.728
That when we understand our assignment,
00:31:45.728 --> 00:31:47.730
When we live out the great commission,
00:31:47.730 --> 00:31:49.898
When we say, "god, as much as it concerns me,
00:31:49.898 --> 00:31:53.302
Would you use any part of my life
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So that some may feel their way to you."
00:31:54.903 --> 00:31:57.673
When we are living that out,
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Everything else, it just doesn't matter.
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- yeah. - you don't care.
00:32:01.043 --> 00:32:01.944
- right. - so good.
00:32:01.944 --> 00:32:03.278
You know, i talk about the gym a lot, y'all,
00:32:03.278 --> 00:32:04.813
But truly when i'm in the gym, i want to eat healthier.
00:32:04.813 --> 00:32:07.049
- right. - right, because i'm like,
00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:08.484
Listen, i'm trying to get fine out here.
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Okay, i wanna be cute. all right.
00:32:09.918 --> 00:32:12.354
If i'm going to the gym,
00:32:12.354 --> 00:32:13.689
I'm not gonna load up on all these calories
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Because i want the gym to matter.
00:32:15.491 --> 00:32:17.860
I want it to count.
00:32:17.860 --> 00:32:18.794
When you are running your race-
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- yeah. - i don't wanna sin.
00:32:20.329 --> 00:32:21.497
I don't want anything to hold me back.
00:32:21.497 --> 00:32:22.664
- right. - yeah.
00:32:22.664 --> 00:32:24.066
- i don't wanna sin, i don't wanna go backwards.
00:32:24.066 --> 00:32:24.967
I'm trying to go forwards.
00:32:24.967 --> 00:32:26.468
I wanna go further, faster, for jesus and with jesus.
00:32:26.468 --> 00:32:29.805
And so, i love this idea.
00:32:29.805 --> 00:32:31.907
- well, i had somebody in a church recently ask me,
00:32:31.907 --> 00:32:34.977
"how do i create a culture of people
00:32:34.977 --> 00:32:38.547
Wanting to understand their bible,
00:32:38.547 --> 00:32:39.882
Of people wanting to grow
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And attend all these classes we're offering?"
00:32:41.517 --> 00:32:44.086
And i said, "well, you've gotta put 'em on mission
00:32:44.086 --> 00:32:46.021
Until they need, until they need that information,
00:32:46.021 --> 00:32:49.525
Until they are sitting there
00:32:49.525 --> 00:32:50.926
Discipling a brand new believer and they're like,
00:32:50.926 --> 00:32:53.362
'oh my gosh, i don't know the answer',
00:32:53.362 --> 00:32:54.730
- until it's useful to them. - all of a sudden,
00:32:54.730 --> 00:32:55.631
Then they wanna understand exactly how
00:32:55.631 --> 00:32:57.499
To break down a text.
00:32:57.499 --> 00:32:58.400
- that's good, they wanna be equipped.
00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.001
- they wanna be equipped.
00:32:59.001 --> 00:32:59.968
So i really do think we could feel
00:32:59.968 --> 00:33:01.503
Like this is the arrival place,
00:33:01.503 --> 00:33:02.971
Where everything else is in order
00:33:02.971 --> 00:33:04.907
And then you share christ and then you're on mission
00:33:04.907 --> 00:33:07.943
And then you're living out the great commission.
00:33:07.943 --> 00:33:09.611
But i think it's supposed to come early.
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In fact, the greatest evangelists i've
00:33:12.047 --> 00:33:13.982
Ever been around
00:33:13.982 --> 00:33:15.050
Are brand new believers. - they're crazy.
00:33:15.050 --> 00:33:17.519
- they got their little bottles of holy oil.
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.088
They're like, "i'm ready".
00:33:19.088 --> 00:33:20.055
- yep, and they are fanatical.
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It's like, i was that way when 17-
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- 100%. - i meet jesus.
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I'm annoying everyone. (faith laughs)
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I mean they are like, "girl, calm down.
00:33:27.763 --> 00:33:29.898
Like, we have heard of jesus."
00:33:29.898 --> 00:33:31.300
I'm like, "are you sure, because he changes everything."
00:33:31.300 --> 00:33:34.303
- isn't that what we want? - right.
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- to be childlike in our faith.
00:33:35.471 --> 00:33:36.772
- right. - in ways that like says-
00:33:36.772 --> 00:33:38.440
- just give him a way. - this is amazing.
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.576
- yeah. (gentle music)
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- if you're looking for something great in you
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To give you the confidence to speak to others about christ,
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You may find it sometimes, but oftentimes you may not
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Because you will find that the qualification is not in you.
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But actually the qualification
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Is in the presence of god that is with you.
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Your spiritual authority is directly tied
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To your intimacy with the holy spirit.
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And so that ability to reach forth
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And to connect others to christ,
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It does not come from you,
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But it comes from the spiritual authority
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That comes to you
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From your friendship with the holy spirit.
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(gentle music)
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- if each of us in our place
00:34:34.563 --> 00:34:36.532
Would take the great commission seriously,
00:34:36.532 --> 00:34:38.767
The entire world would be evangelized very, very quickly.
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And so we need you.
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This is not a story where you can disqualify yourself
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Or say i don't have enough of an influence or platform.
00:34:47.176 --> 00:34:51.013
Guys, if each of us, the 2.5 billion people
00:34:51.013 --> 00:34:53.582
That say they're christians
00:34:53.582 --> 00:34:54.983
Would share the gospel with two to three people,
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The whole world would be reached.
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So each of us has to say, this is, for me,
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The great commission was for me,
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That i need to be in the trenches
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Sharing jesus with whoever i can.
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(upbeat music) (singer vocalizing)
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- during the pandemic,
00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:15.904
I needed to get my hair redone.
00:35:15.904 --> 00:35:17.539
It was during a time actually when we were church planting.
00:35:17.539 --> 00:35:21.009
So funds were not, like, great.
00:35:21.009 --> 00:35:24.613
And you know, so i was just like waiting it out,
00:35:24.613 --> 00:35:27.015
Waiting it out, waiting it out.
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I felt the lord kind of like, it was strange.
00:35:28.417 --> 00:35:31.820
I felt him unction me to go get my hair done.
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And so i'm like, "okay".
00:35:35.390 --> 00:35:37.226
And so i'm like looking up like cheap nice areas around me
00:35:37.226 --> 00:35:42.030
And somebody brings up the salon name in new york city.
00:35:42.030 --> 00:35:45.167
And so i'm like, "that sounds really bougie.
00:35:45.167 --> 00:35:48.270
That sounds like really nice.
00:35:48.270 --> 00:35:49.738
I don't think that i have any business going there."
00:35:49.738 --> 00:35:50.505
(minister laughs)
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But i felt the spirit again.
00:35:52.107 --> 00:35:53.475
Like, no, that's the place, you gotta go there.
00:35:53.475 --> 00:35:55.277
- and i'm like thinking, this has gotta be me.
00:35:55.277 --> 00:35:57.779
(chuckles) you know, this has-
00:35:57.779 --> 00:35:59.181
- this is my flesh talking. - this is my flesh.
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But i look it up and i look at the price
00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:04.019
And i'm like, "oh, oh lord".
00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:07.022
One, we can't afford it, so i guess that's my sign.
00:36:07.022 --> 00:36:09.791
A couple days, one of my friends venmos me-
00:36:09.791 --> 00:36:13.295
- wow. - the amount-
00:36:13.295 --> 00:36:14.563
- no way. - for the hair appointment.
00:36:14.563 --> 00:36:16.398
And when i received it, i remember thinking,
00:36:16.398 --> 00:36:18.500
"okay, god, but i'm not gonna tell my husband
00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:22.271
That this amount of money that just came in
00:36:22.271 --> 00:36:25.040
Is gonna go to my hair."
00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:26.675
(all laugh)
00:36:26.675 --> 00:36:27.876
He's gonna be like, "you're crazy
00:36:27.876 --> 00:36:29.544
And this needs to go to rent."
00:36:29.544 --> 00:36:31.113
Right? - yeah.
00:36:31.113 --> 00:36:32.047
- and so i said to the lord,
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"god, if this is from you,
00:36:34.316 --> 00:36:36.585
And if you want me to go to new york city
00:36:36.585 --> 00:36:38.787
And go get my hair done at this salon,
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Then you need to tell my husband
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Because i'm not gonna gonna tell him. you know?
00:36:43.425 --> 00:36:45.460
Next day we pray with a friend,
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You know, we were praying together.
00:36:47.462 --> 00:36:48.997
My friend asked my husband, "what is the lord telling you?"
00:36:48.997 --> 00:36:52.234
- no. - and my husband is like,
00:36:52.234 --> 00:36:57.139
(all laugh)
00:36:57.472 --> 00:36:59.741
"i feel the lord is telling me
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To send my wife off to go get her hair done."
00:37:01.443 --> 00:37:04.413
- wow. - and i'm like,
00:37:04.413 --> 00:37:05.981
"okay, so by the way, i have the money for it."
00:37:05.981 --> 00:37:09.217
(all laugh) - don't you worry.
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- i am, like every step of the way saying,
00:37:10.452 --> 00:37:12.321
"but god, but god." - sure.
00:37:12.321 --> 00:37:14.723
- you know, and i'm trying to even schedule
00:37:14.723 --> 00:37:17.225
And find the hairstylist that's like the cheapest.
00:37:17.225 --> 00:37:19.661
But the only time that's available
00:37:19.661 --> 00:37:21.496
Is like one of the senior hairstylists
00:37:21.496 --> 00:37:24.132
That costs a lot of money.
00:37:24.132 --> 00:37:25.534
And i'm like, "but god", and then i felt the lord.
00:37:25.534 --> 00:37:28.603
- thanked me gently and kindly saying,
00:37:29.438 --> 00:37:30.806
"you are concerned about the concerns of humankind.
00:37:30.806 --> 00:37:34.676
I need you to stop concerning yourself
00:37:34.676 --> 00:37:37.045
With human concerns.
00:37:37.045 --> 00:37:38.613
I need you to start concerning yourself
00:37:38.613 --> 00:37:40.749
With the things that i am concerned for,
00:37:40.749 --> 00:37:42.818
Which is the people there,
00:37:42.818 --> 00:37:44.486
Which is, i have someone i need you to meet.
00:37:44.486 --> 00:37:47.456
I have someone i need you to meet."
00:37:47.456 --> 00:37:49.458
And i felt that rebuke and so i'm like, "okay, i'll go."
00:37:49.458 --> 00:37:52.627
For three hours i'm talking to this wonderful young lady
00:37:52.627 --> 00:37:56.398
Who's doing my hair
00:37:56.398 --> 00:37:57.933
And from the beginning i know she's angry at christians
00:37:57.933 --> 00:38:01.837
And i'm thinking,
00:38:01.837 --> 00:38:03.171
"oh lord, i don't know if i heard this right."
00:38:03.171 --> 00:38:04.740
But after three hours, she goes, "so what do you do?"
00:38:04.740 --> 00:38:08.510
I'm thinking, "oh my gosh!"
00:38:09.111 --> 00:38:11.146
Right?
00:38:11.146 --> 00:38:12.414
And then she looks me up on instagram.
00:38:12.414 --> 00:38:13.782
- of course, she does.
00:38:13.782 --> 00:38:14.916
- and she goes, "i followed you,"
00:38:14.916 --> 00:38:17.219
And from then on we start to have this relationship
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:20.055
Where she actually listens to everything i do.
00:38:20.055 --> 00:38:23.091
Reads everything i write. - wow!
00:38:23.091 --> 00:38:25.694
- and we've just been great friends since
00:38:25.694 --> 00:38:28.663
In such a kingdom edifying, encouraging way
00:38:28.663 --> 00:38:31.633
And she's still kind of growing into it,
00:38:31.633 --> 00:38:34.736
You know what i mean, 'cause she's spiritual
00:38:34.736 --> 00:38:37.839
And she's like, "you're spiritual too."
00:38:37.839 --> 00:38:39.441
I just feel like,
00:38:39.441 --> 00:38:41.176
Sometimes we get so concerned about the human things,
00:38:41.176 --> 00:38:44.646
About the cost, the risk, our reputation,
00:38:44.646 --> 00:38:48.383
Our name, our comfort.
00:38:48.383 --> 00:38:50.786
We may be afraid to invite our neighbors
00:38:51.653 --> 00:38:54.656
Into a bible study in our home
00:38:54.656 --> 00:38:56.258
Because we're afraid of, what if they get weirded out
00:38:56.258 --> 00:38:59.494
And what if that's uncomfortable.
00:38:59.494 --> 00:39:01.129
We have all these human concerns,
00:39:01.129 --> 00:39:02.831
But i wonder what it'll be like
00:39:02.831 --> 00:39:04.065
If we have god's concerns in mind.
00:39:04.065 --> 00:39:06.301
- and i feel like it's important too, to say,
00:39:06.301 --> 00:39:08.370
As someone who is sharing jesus publicly a lot.
00:39:08.370 --> 00:39:12.107
There's a lot of my life that i get on a plane
00:39:12.107 --> 00:39:15.277
And i put in my airpods and i miss the opportunity,
00:39:15.277 --> 00:39:19.147
I am very convicted right now about not missing the one,
00:39:20.282 --> 00:39:25.120
Because this really is how the world changes.
00:39:26.054 --> 00:39:28.123
And i think it's important that we be honest
00:39:28.123 --> 00:39:30.625
That this is hard for all of us.
00:39:30.625 --> 00:39:31.960
- that's true, absolutely true.
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:33.228
- and it's not, even the people i know
00:39:33.228 --> 00:39:34.629
That just every conversation they are sharing jesus,
00:39:34.629 --> 00:39:37.399
Every uber, everything.
00:39:37.399 --> 00:39:39.000
I'm like, "you know what, it is still a dis."
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.003
I mean there is an element of this that is a choice.
00:39:42.003 --> 00:39:44.840
- yeah. - and we have to make it.
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.708
- we talk to thousands.
00:39:46.708 --> 00:39:48.710
And it is still, it makes literally my pit sweat
00:39:48.710 --> 00:39:51.880
When i simply, i'm not kidding.
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.216
So i do this thing now at the restaurants
00:39:54.216 --> 00:39:55.817
Where my waiter or waitress, i ask their name
00:39:55.817 --> 00:39:57.586
And then i say, "hey, i'm getting ready to pray for my food.
00:39:57.586 --> 00:39:59.621
Is there anything i can pray for you for?"
00:39:59.621 --> 00:40:01.022
I mean, they'll come and i'll be like,
00:40:01.022 --> 00:40:02.324
"next time, next time, next time they come,
00:40:02.324 --> 00:40:03.859
Next time they come, i'm gonna say it, i'm gonna say it."
00:40:03.859 --> 00:40:05.827
And i'll be like, "hey, hmm, ah."
00:40:05.827 --> 00:40:07.295
And i stumble over my word.
00:40:07.295 --> 00:40:08.797
I'm a communicator.
00:40:08.797 --> 00:40:10.065
Like i'm writing books, i'm doing podcasts,
00:40:10.065 --> 00:40:11.466
And i literally am stumbling trying to just ask them.
00:40:11.466 --> 00:40:15.203
And i was telling a friend this the other day,
00:40:15.203 --> 00:40:17.806
And i was like, "why do you think i'm so nervous?
00:40:17.806 --> 00:40:20.075
Like, this is weird.
00:40:20.075 --> 00:40:21.209
This is what i do."
00:40:21.209 --> 00:40:22.644
And she was like, "well, isn't it just like the enemy
00:40:22.644 --> 00:40:25.614
To try to just infuse fear into your heart
00:40:25.614 --> 00:40:28.416
Over something that god wants us to do.
00:40:28.416 --> 00:40:30.819
Has commissioned and called us to do."
00:40:30.819 --> 00:40:33.255
- thinking about a time when i was
00:40:33.955 --> 00:40:37.058
Not really thinking about the loss,
00:40:37.058 --> 00:40:38.693
But i happened to be in an uber,
00:40:38.693 --> 00:40:40.795
And i suddenly just started to feel very compelled
00:40:40.795 --> 00:40:45.166
That i needed to speak to this uber driver.
00:40:45.166 --> 00:40:47.802
And i started to ask god,
00:40:47.802 --> 00:40:49.070
"oh, is this like a divine appointment?
00:40:49.070 --> 00:40:50.805
I think this isn't just an uber ride,
00:40:50.805 --> 00:40:52.340
This is an opportunity."
00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:53.975
And so i just struck up a conversation
00:40:53.975 --> 00:40:56.378
And he just straightaway blurted out
00:40:56.378 --> 00:40:59.214
Telling me all about his beliefs and his convictions,
00:40:59.214 --> 00:41:02.117
And they were definitely not the same as mine,
00:41:02.117 --> 00:41:04.486
And it was a long uber ride,
00:41:04.486 --> 00:41:05.921
And we ended up having an amazing conversation.
00:41:05.921 --> 00:41:08.823
And i got to tell him about a book that i'd read
00:41:08.823 --> 00:41:11.526
That had been made into a film,
00:41:11.526 --> 00:41:13.361
It's called "the case for christ" by lee strobel.
00:41:13.361 --> 00:41:16.298
I couldn't preach him into heaven,
00:41:16.298 --> 00:41:18.567
And i couldn't even really answer all of his questions,
00:41:18.567 --> 00:41:21.703
But god is so amazing that he isn't putting it all on us,
00:41:21.703 --> 00:41:25.473
That i could point him to an incredible resource
00:41:25.473 --> 00:41:28.476
That had every opportunity to reach him
00:41:28.476 --> 00:41:31.780
Because it was gonna be able to answer
00:41:31.780 --> 00:41:33.081
So many of his questions
00:41:33.081 --> 00:41:34.382
Through a real life transformed person.
00:41:34.382 --> 00:41:38.086
And so my uber driver dropped me off
00:41:38.086 --> 00:41:40.055
And i kind of left him in god's hands.
00:41:40.055 --> 00:41:42.257
But i think about him often,
00:41:42.257 --> 00:41:43.458
Especially when i see that film,
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Actually, that's how we do it.
00:41:44.926 --> 00:41:46.861
We just use our everyday ordinary lives
00:41:46.861 --> 00:41:48.964
And those mundane opportunities that show up,
00:41:48.964 --> 00:41:51.666
And actually god has and will ordain
00:41:51.666 --> 00:41:54.836
Divine appointments for us
00:41:54.836 --> 00:41:56.304
Because that's how the lost will be reached.
00:41:56.304 --> 00:41:59.641
- so one thing i wanna bring up is just how
00:42:00.542 --> 00:42:03.311
The global church has made me more brave,
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Because so many people are risking their lives to do this.
00:42:05.614 --> 00:42:08.550
And i think about it,
00:42:08.550 --> 00:42:09.851
A conversation i had with one of my friends
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That ministers in the underground church
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In afghanistan and iran.
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I mean, he was just blowing my mind.
00:42:15.490 --> 00:42:17.792
Everything he was saying about how they would decide,
00:42:17.792 --> 00:42:20.195
Do we knock on this door or this door?
00:42:20.195 --> 00:42:21.863
Because which door they knock on
00:42:21.863 --> 00:42:23.698
Could be the end of their life.
00:42:23.698 --> 00:42:25.467
And so he said, "we prayed for hours
00:42:25.467 --> 00:42:28.069
Before we go out and we ask the lord which door."
00:42:28.069 --> 00:42:31.640
And so he's just telling me, walk me through everything.
00:42:31.640 --> 00:42:34.376
And you know, he tells all these stories
00:42:34.376 --> 00:42:35.877
About god revealing himself in dreams.
00:42:35.877 --> 00:42:38.947
And then i said,
00:42:38.947 --> 00:42:40.315
"well, what would you say to the western church?"
00:42:40.315 --> 00:42:43.218
And he said, "you all go to starbucks
00:42:43.218 --> 00:42:48.189
And you place a mobile order
00:42:48.189 --> 00:42:50.225
At a coffee shop multiple times a week.
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:54.295
You don't even know your barista's name."
00:42:54.295 --> 00:42:57.432
And it was so convicting.
00:42:57.966 --> 00:43:00.301
And i was like, "you know, this is when you watch
00:43:00.301 --> 00:43:02.937
What the persecuted church is doing to save one life."
00:43:02.937 --> 00:43:07.208
If we could just reframe our day and think about,
00:43:07.208 --> 00:43:10.078
"okay, where do i go anyway?
00:43:10.078 --> 00:43:12.213
Who am i seeing anyway?
00:43:12.213 --> 00:43:14.182
And how do i love them in a creative way?"
00:43:14.182 --> 00:43:17.285
And i just think it's so fun too,
00:43:17.285 --> 00:43:19.587
To think how does it look
00:43:19.587 --> 00:43:21.389
When you really get to know someone, how do i love them?
00:43:21.389 --> 00:43:24.159
How are they gonna best receive this?
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.027
And i think the lord will show us and tell us how.
00:43:26.027 --> 00:43:28.663
But let's start with just knowing
00:43:28.663 --> 00:43:30.432
At least our barista's name.
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Those of us that live in the west,
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Whether you consider the church to be shrinking or not,
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We have enormous amounts of freedom
00:43:39.040 --> 00:43:40.842
When you look back over history to worship god
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And to make him known to people.
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But when you move into a lot of asia,
00:43:45.346 --> 00:43:48.650
A lot of the middle east, you see people
00:43:48.650 --> 00:43:52.787
That truly love jesus that will not be stopped.
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I mean, there is a fire they expect to lay their lives down.
00:43:57.492 --> 00:44:00.829
So what i would just say to everyone
00:44:00.829 --> 00:44:03.398
Is to remember the persecuted church,
00:44:03.398 --> 00:44:05.533
To pray for the persecuted church.
00:44:05.533 --> 00:44:07.569
I just got a message this week on instagram that said,
00:44:07.569 --> 00:44:10.472
"hey, i just want to thank you
00:44:10.472 --> 00:44:13.775
For the prayers that you all are bringing to."
00:44:13.775 --> 00:44:16.010
This was for the ukrainian church.
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And i mean, they're at war right now.
00:44:17.912 --> 00:44:20.048
They are in an unthinkable, unthinkable positions.
00:44:20.048 --> 00:44:24.886
And they just said,
00:44:24.886 --> 00:44:26.387
"will you please continue to have everyone pray for us
00:44:26.387 --> 00:44:28.990
As we are risking our life to help people know god?"
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And it just, you know, i think,
00:44:32.427 --> 00:44:34.629
"gosh, dare i ever, one day,
00:44:34.629 --> 00:44:37.132
One second of my life feel arrogant or prideful."
00:44:37.132 --> 00:44:41.770
And i'm so excited to just use the platform
00:44:41.770 --> 00:44:45.039
I have to tell these stories
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.407
Because they truly are the heroes of our faith.
00:44:46.407 --> 00:44:50.078
- i used to work with the bbc in london,
00:44:50.945 --> 00:44:52.981
And i hosted this program called "the rock gospel show."
00:44:52.981 --> 00:44:55.683
And it was probably a staff of like 80 people working on it.
00:44:55.683 --> 00:44:58.586
It was a live music show.
00:44:58.586 --> 00:45:00.522
And as far as i could tell, nobody was a believer.
00:45:00.522 --> 00:45:03.024
And i thought, "well, lord, how do i,"
00:45:03.024 --> 00:45:04.659
I mean, we're singing all these songs about you,
00:45:04.659 --> 00:45:06.194
And i would fly in artists from the states to do things,
00:45:06.194 --> 00:45:08.763
But i don't know what about the crew?
00:45:08.763 --> 00:45:10.398
What about the camera guys?
00:45:10.398 --> 00:45:12.000
And i felt that was so clear.
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.068
I felt the holy spirits say, "pray.
00:45:14.068 --> 00:45:16.271
Find out their names."
00:45:16.271 --> 00:45:17.172
So, my dresser was george.
00:45:17.172 --> 00:45:19.774
So, you know, i wrote down george's name
00:45:19.774 --> 00:45:21.309
In the back of my bible, and i began to pray for george.
00:45:21.309 --> 00:45:24.279
And i knew that george had gone off on holiday
00:45:24.279 --> 00:45:26.447
With another, with a younger guy.
00:45:26.447 --> 00:45:28.483
And the younger guy left and wandered over there
00:45:28.483 --> 00:45:30.685
And so the next show, i show up and george says,
00:45:30.685 --> 00:45:33.321
"could we go to your dressing room for a minute?"
00:45:33.321 --> 00:45:34.856
And i was like, "yeah, sure, george."
00:45:34.856 --> 00:45:36.524
So i go and i sit down and he comes over
00:45:36.524 --> 00:45:38.726
And gets up on the floor
00:45:38.726 --> 00:45:39.961
And puts his head on my lap and weeps.
00:45:39.961 --> 00:45:42.931
And he said, "would you pray for me?"
00:45:42.931 --> 00:45:44.866
And, "i would like george, i would love to pray for you."
00:45:44.866 --> 00:45:47.435
And it was this little ways.
00:45:47.435 --> 00:45:49.103
It was little ways,
00:45:49.103 --> 00:45:50.371
But it's praying and praying and praying
00:45:50.371 --> 00:45:52.373
So that heaven opens a door because god knows the timing.
00:45:52.373 --> 00:45:55.343
God knows what's going on in their lives, where they're at.
00:45:55.343 --> 00:45:58.546
And i found that with so many of the guys, the camera guys.
00:45:58.546 --> 00:46:02.383
It would be, i didn't talk a lot about my faith,
00:46:02.383 --> 00:46:05.286
But they would say, "i know you pray.
00:46:05.286 --> 00:46:07.255
Would you pray for my wife?"
00:46:07.255 --> 00:46:08.323
Or, "my child's not doing well,"
00:46:08.323 --> 00:46:09.791
It's just, it's living your life in such a way.
00:46:09.791 --> 00:46:12.894
What peter says in his second letter,
00:46:12.894 --> 00:46:14.662
"you live your life in such a way that it demands an answer.
00:46:14.662 --> 00:46:18.499
So that other people want to know
00:46:18.499 --> 00:46:19.868
The reason for the hope that is within you."
00:46:19.868 --> 00:46:22.203
Well, then you have to assume,
00:46:22.203 --> 00:46:23.972
"ell, i have to be living a life that's raising questions."
00:46:23.972 --> 00:46:26.841
Because if i'm not living a life that's raising questions,
00:46:26.841 --> 00:46:28.776
Nobody's asking where the hope's coming from.
00:46:28.776 --> 00:46:30.745
- that's good. - so-
00:46:30.745 --> 00:46:31.813
- hey, i feel a little convicted
00:46:31.813 --> 00:46:33.181
When you said that just now,
00:46:33.181 --> 00:46:34.682
Because i've never prayed before i went into the restaurant
00:46:34.682 --> 00:46:38.253
And asked the waiter or waitress
00:46:38.253 --> 00:46:40.421
If i could be praying for them.
00:46:40.421 --> 00:46:42.090
I can pray before i go in, "lord," like
00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.692
"sit us at the table that i'm supposed to be at
00:46:44.692 --> 00:46:47.629
For the person i'm supposed to be at.
00:46:47.629 --> 00:46:49.063
God, give me the spirit of faith and not fear."
00:46:49.063 --> 00:46:51.032
I could do that.
00:46:51.032 --> 00:46:52.333
- and the scripture be ready to give an answer
00:46:52.333 --> 00:46:54.035
When called upon, because they're gonna call upon you.
00:46:54.035 --> 00:46:55.937
And we do this a lot too.
00:46:55.937 --> 00:46:57.171
We will ask about prayer and they open up.
00:46:57.171 --> 00:47:00.441
I mean, i got people crying.
00:47:00.441 --> 00:47:02.410
And i'm like, "you need to,
00:47:02.410 --> 00:47:03.678
I probably need to hold you, like, i think.
00:47:03.678 --> 00:47:06.915
- come on share this appetizing with this girl, yeah.
00:47:06.915 --> 00:47:08.516
- yeah and they're open to the gospel and we'll say it.
00:47:08.516 --> 00:47:11.152
It's real easy to say, when somebody's crying.
00:47:11.152 --> 00:47:13.621
Once somebody's crying, it is real easy to be like,
00:47:13.621 --> 00:47:15.390
"listen." - jesus loves you.
00:47:15.390 --> 00:47:17.125
- the reason we are loving you,
00:47:17.125 --> 00:47:18.793
The reason we ask that is because we believe in jesus
00:47:18.793 --> 00:47:21.629
And he loves you.
00:47:21.629 --> 00:47:22.997
And tonight he sent us to come and tell you that.
00:47:22.997 --> 00:47:26.367
- you may be asking the question,
00:47:27.135 --> 00:47:28.636
How do i practically share the gospel in my community?
00:47:28.636 --> 00:47:31.039
I talked about this a little bit on the show.
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.708
I have really tried my best
00:47:33.708 --> 00:47:35.543
To be intentional about the every day,
00:47:35.543 --> 00:47:38.079
The coffee shop with my barista,
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.949
My waitress, the guy that's fixing my tires
00:47:40.949 --> 00:47:43.217
By asking the question,
00:47:43.217 --> 00:47:44.485
"is there anything i can be praying for you for?"
00:47:44.485 --> 00:47:47.288
It's been this very sweet, very intentional,
00:47:47.288 --> 00:47:50.525
Very non-weird way just to say,
00:47:50.525 --> 00:47:52.927
"hey, listen, i pray.
00:47:52.927 --> 00:47:55.196
And i really would love to include you on that.
00:47:55.196 --> 00:47:57.465
Not because it makes me feel better,
00:47:57.465 --> 00:47:58.967
But because i believe that your name is written
00:47:58.967 --> 00:48:01.836
On the palm of the creator of the universe.
00:48:01.836 --> 00:48:04.973
And i want you to know that he has you in mind.
00:48:04.973 --> 00:48:07.442
And he sent me here to pray for you,
00:48:07.442 --> 00:48:10.011
To hold you and to point you back to him.
00:48:10.011 --> 00:48:12.447
And so i think that's a simple way,
00:48:12.447 --> 00:48:13.448
Is asking people about prayer
00:48:13.448 --> 00:48:14.983
And then maybe inviting them to church.
00:48:14.983 --> 00:48:17.385
- for all of the viewers who are watching around the world,
00:48:18.553 --> 00:48:20.321
You know, we love you.
00:48:20.321 --> 00:48:21.856
We get so many prayer requests that come in
00:48:21.856 --> 00:48:24.258
And we pray over every one of them.
00:48:24.258 --> 00:48:26.694
We don't ignore any of them.
00:48:26.694 --> 00:48:28.429
We pray for you.
00:48:28.429 --> 00:48:29.630
And let's just thank god for this week.
00:48:29.630 --> 00:48:32.867
Father god, what a joy it is to be loved by you.
00:48:32.867 --> 00:48:36.371
What a totally life-changing, transforming thing is
00:48:37.438 --> 00:48:42.143
To even begin to understand that the god of the universe,
00:48:42.143 --> 00:48:45.213
The one who spoke everything into being,
00:48:45.213 --> 00:48:48.149
Was also willing to come and be born
00:48:48.149 --> 00:48:51.652
As a tiny little precious infant.
00:48:51.652 --> 00:48:55.156
God with a shoe size.
00:48:55.156 --> 00:48:56.424
It just blows us away, lord,
00:48:56.424 --> 00:48:57.859
That you would do that because you love us so much.
00:48:57.859 --> 00:49:01.562
And father, you can tell from the five of us here,
00:49:01.562 --> 00:49:04.732
And for everybody joining with us,
00:49:04.732 --> 00:49:06.434
For our staff behind the scenes,
00:49:06.434 --> 00:49:08.569
For those watching, for those listening,
00:49:08.569 --> 00:49:10.671
Lord, we want to see revival.
00:49:10.671 --> 00:49:13.374
We want to see your name be lifted high.
00:49:13.374 --> 00:49:16.711
We want to see people's blinders falling off
00:49:16.711 --> 00:49:19.514
And their ears being unstopped.
00:49:19.514 --> 00:49:21.516
And so we just want to say to you, lord, we're all in.
00:49:21.516 --> 00:49:24.352
- yeah.
00:49:24.352 --> 00:49:25.319
- use us however you would.
00:49:25.319 --> 00:49:27.188
You know, we know it's not about
00:49:27.188 --> 00:49:28.589
The abilities that you've given us.
00:49:28.589 --> 00:49:30.091
It's just about us being available to you
00:49:30.091 --> 00:49:32.460
And to your holy spirit.
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:34.295
So i ask afresh for your anointing to fall
00:49:34.295 --> 00:49:37.698
On my sisters here in this room,
00:49:37.698 --> 00:49:39.567
And for all who are watching and listening at home,
00:49:39.567 --> 00:49:42.837
That we would be those who are so in love with you,
00:49:42.837 --> 00:49:46.541
That we spill that love everywhere we go.
00:49:46.541 --> 00:49:50.144
And we ask it in a precious, powerful,
00:49:50.144 --> 00:49:53.347
Beautiful name of jesus.
00:49:53.347 --> 00:49:55.483
Amen.
00:49:55.483 --> 00:49:56.717
- [presenter] connect with us on social media
00:49:57.685 --> 00:49:59.287
And let us know how our team can pray for you.
00:49:59.287 --> 00:50:03.758
- viewer valencia emailed us this question,
00:50:04.625 --> 00:50:07.228
"how do i open the door to share the gospel
00:50:07.228 --> 00:50:09.330
In everyday conversations?"
00:50:09.330 --> 00:50:10.798
- i love that. - that's good.
00:50:10.798 --> 00:50:12.366
- first of all, the fact that you're asking that question,
00:50:12.366 --> 00:50:14.402
I think is a beautiful thing.
00:50:14.402 --> 00:50:16.003
I feel like god plays something in your heart
00:50:16.003 --> 00:50:18.406
That he's honoring, you know?
00:50:18.406 --> 00:50:20.007
And so i would say start off by creating a relationship
00:50:20.007 --> 00:50:25.346
That allows you to share stories.
00:50:26.047 --> 00:50:27.515
Because oftentimes we could share the truth
00:50:27.515 --> 00:50:29.917
Through our testimony,
00:50:29.917 --> 00:50:30.952
Through our stories of jesus.
00:50:30.952 --> 00:50:33.654
And so i would say whatever you need to do
00:50:33.654 --> 00:50:36.057
To create that atmosphere and that connection
00:50:36.057 --> 00:50:38.860
Where you could safely share stories with this person.
00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:41.662
I think that's a great start.
00:50:41.662 --> 00:50:43.331
- share stories.
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